Bobo vs. the Internets

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David Brook’s latest column about marijuana has released the snark from all corners of the Internets:

Vanity Fair also takes a swing:

For a little while in my teenage years, my friends and I read David Books columns. It was fun. I have some fond memories of us all being uninformed and feeling superior together. I think those moments of uninhibited self-righteousness deepened our friendships.

But then we all sort of moved away from it. I don’t remember any big group decision that we should give up reading David Brooks. It just sort of petered out, and, before long, we were scarcely reading him.

We didn’t give it up for the obvious reasons: that his ideas were repetitive and self-evident; that citing a Brooks column at a dinner party is a good way to get yourself mocked; that young people who read Brooks go on to join the College Republicans and perform patronizing monologues about “elitism” that are themselves elitist.

David Brooks: Been There. Done That.

And then there’s the parody accounts:

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163 comments
1 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 10:54:58am

Oh Internet, please never lose your sense of humor and snark.

2 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 10:57:53am

Mr. Brooks is very lucky ‘South Park’ isn’t running new episodes right now, because oh what Trey Parker can do with this sort of material.

3 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 10:58:50am

He should be mocked.

4 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:01:05am

I mean Marijuana ruined David Brooks’ life so much that he went to an Ivy League school (IIRC) and he’s now a columnist at the New York Times. I would never tell a kid “Hey go out and try marijuana, it’s awesome” but at the same time, the scare tactics about the drug that Mr. Brooks embraces are far more harmful than marijuana itself.

5 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:04:32am
6 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:06:20am
7 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:08:47am

I don’t get why that is “Truly an ignorant statement.”

8 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:09:06am

re: #6 Stanley Sea

2034 Media: Today, a look back at time when marijuana was still illegal throughout most of America.

9 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:10:28am

David Brooks should be made illegal. Reading his stupid columns make people less than what they should be.

So, to enhance individual freedom, people should stay away from David Brooks.

10 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:10:57am

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

2034 Media: Today, a look back at time when marijuana was still illegal throughout most of America.

I look forward to that. I don’t look forward to being 47.

11 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:11:27am

re: #9 ObserverArt

David Brooks should be made illegal. Reading his stupid columns make people less than what they should be.

So, to enhance individual freedom, people should stay away from David Brooks.

David Brooks is a Gateway Pundit. (I swear I wrote this without thinking of Jim Hoft)

12 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:11:29am

Ha! I read the tweet, my eye moved up and saw “It was really good to put my thing in a girl’s bellybutton”. Sparkling orange beverage all over my monitor.

13 bubba zanetti  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:12:31am

Updated the post if you’re in ‘new comment’ mode adding:

14 b.d.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:12:49am

Bill Clinton one month ago -

I never denied that I used marijuana.

huffingtonpost.com

15 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:13:38am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

David Brooks is a Gateway Pundit. (I swear I wrote this without thinking of Jim Hoft)

That’s right. You start out with Brooks, then the next thing you know you are snorting Rush Limbaugh and in a few months you’re mainlining Alex Jones.

16 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:15:19am

re: #15 ObserverArt

That’s right. You start out with Brooks, then the next thing you know you are snorting Rush Limbaugh and in a few months you’re mainlining Alex Jones.

Freebasing Glenn Beck. Dangerous stuff I tell ya.

17 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:16:22am

WTFITS
This is insane even for Dim Jim

18 Flounder  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:16:34am

so sad.

19 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:16:47am

re: #15 ObserverArt

I mainline mine through my colloidal silver generator.

20 b.d.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:17:40am

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS
This is insane even for Dim Jim

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It’s all over the “news” outlets. An obscure Chinese paper ran with the story.

21 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:18:40am

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS
This is insane even for Dim Jim

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That’s all over the net, sourced to a Hong Kong paper. Still reads like WWI
atrocity propaganda.

22 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:18:45am

How come the name of David Brooks doesn’t ring a bell?

I’ve only had one cuppa.

you?

23 Flounder  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:19:36am

From David Brooks op-ed

But, of course, these are the core questions: Laws profoundly mold culture, so what sort of community do we want our laws to nurture? What sort of individuals and behaviors do our governments want to encourage? I’d say that in healthy societies government wants to subtly tip the scale to favor temperate, prudent, self-governing citizenship. In those societies, government subtly encourages the highest pleasures, like enjoying the arts or being in nature, and discourages lesser pleasures, like being stoned.

He is exactly right. Apparently a lot of people need to grow up.

24 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:20:18am

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

He couldn’t even spell “Ravenous” right.

25 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:20:19am

re: #21 Decatur Deb

That’s all over the net, sourced to a Hong Kong paper. Still reads like WWI
atrocity propaganda.

Dim Jim still managed to goof it up by misspelling ‘ravenous’.

26 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:20:50am

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

Dim Jim still managed to goof it up by misspelling ‘ravenous’.

1 SECOND!

27 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:21:11am

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

Dim Jim still managed to goof it up by misspelling ‘ravenous’.

Gives it that nice EA Poe foreshadowing.

28 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:21:40am

re: #23 Flounder

From David Brooks op-ed

He is exactly right. Apparently a lot of people need to grow up.

What do we want to encourage, what kind of culture do we want to be.

One that doesn’t put kids in jail for possession of three stems and a seed.

29 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:21:46am

re: #27 Decatur Deb

Gives it that nice EA Poe foreshadowing.

Once I wandered, weak and derpy…

30 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:22:51am

just think, if bobo had continued to smoke weed, he might have developed into a thoughtful person

31 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:23:11am

Shall we return our attention to David Frum’s twitterline?

32 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:23:18am

bbl

33 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:23:34am

re: #28 FemNaziBitch

What do we want to encourage, what kind of culture do we want to be.

One that doesn’t put kids in jail for possession of three stems and a seed.

Thank You. Sorry but it’s a blatant double standard for society to have the mass commercialization of alcohol and tobacco and yet to make smoking marijuana a crime. Should people be responsible when they smoke pot? Absolutely, they should the same way they are when they operate a motor vehicle, drink a beer, etc.

34 Lidane  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:25:14am
35 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:25:27am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Thank You. Sorry but it’s a blatant double standard for society to have the mass commercialization of alcohol and tobacco and yet to make smoking marijuana a crime. Should people be responsible when they smoke pot? Absolutely, they should the same way they are when they operate a motor vehicle, drink a beer, etc.

Except firearms, because Constitution!!

36 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:26:27am

I’m surprised Charlie Pierce hasn’t weighed in on this column yet - he mocks Bobo better than anybody.

37 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:27:04am

re: #35 Decatur Deb

Except firearms, because Constitution!!

Hmm…

“…the right of the the people to grow and smoke weed shall not be infringed.”

I like it!

38 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:27:59am

re: #35 Decatur Deb

Except firearms, because Constitution!!

Heh win.

39 Lidane  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:28:30am

re: #36 makeitstop

I’m surprised Charlie Pierce hasn’t weighed in on this column yet - he mocks Bobo better than anybody.

Ask and you shall receive:

40 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:28:46am

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

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In a truly prosperous America, every citizen would own his own snowplow.

41 jaunte  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:29:10am

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

He couldn’t even spell “Ravenous” right.

Confused em with ‘revenooers’.

42 jaunte  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:30:10am

re: #7 Pie-onist Overlord

They could be privateer snowplowers. WE JUST DON’T KNOW!!!

43 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:30:39am

re: #42 jaunte

They could be privateer snowplowers. WE JUST DON’T KNOW!!!

Call Mr. Plow, that’s my name…

44 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:31:21am

Hopefully with the expanded access to mental health services with Obamacare, less people will abuse drugs.

45 jaunte  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:31:24am

Letters of Scrape and Refreezal.

46 Mattand  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:32:31am

re: #42 jaunte

They could be privateer snowplowers. WE JUST DON’T KNOW!!!

The Invisible Plow of the Marketplace once again saves the day.

47 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:33:31am
48 bubba zanetti  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:33:46am

re: #23 Flounder

In those societies, government subtly encourages the highest pleasures, like enjoying the arts or being in nature, and discourages lesser pleasures, like being stoned.

Where on this spectrum do we put ‘watching Here Comes Honey Boo Boo marathons’?

49 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:34:20am

re: #46 Mattand

The Invisible Plow of the Marketplace once again save the day.

If driver wages go up, they’ll be replaced with giant Roombas.

50 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:34:41am

Krauthammer looks fucking stoned all the time.

51 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:35:29am

re: #48 bubba zanetti

Where on this spectrum do we put ‘watching Here Comes Honey Boo Boo marathons’?

Above Duck Disintegrators.

52 b.d.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:35:29am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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There’s a reason they call it dope.

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53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:36:15am

re: #50 Amory Blaine

Krauthammer looks fucking stoned all the time.

Krauthammer looks more like a turtle than McConnell does.

54 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:36:35am

re: #46 Mattand

Obviously that person has never been on the PA Turnpike when it is snow covered. Seeing a “Plow Train” anywhere in that type of weather is wonderful.

55 Lidane  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:37:03am

re: #50 Amory Blaine

Krauthammer looks fucking stoned all the time.

If Krauthammer was stoned all the time he might actually be readable. He’s too much of a hack to be stoned.

56 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:38:12am

re: #55 Lidane

If Krauthammer was stoned all the time he might actually be readable. He’s too much of a hack to be stoned.

Too bitter as well.

57 jaunte  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:38:22am
58 Flounder  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:38:58am

bad Karma to make fun of the disabled.

59 Ming  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:39:22am

I hadn’t heard of David Brooks before today. After reading his NYT column, I’m amazed at its stupidity. Does Mr. Brooks think that smoking tobacco should be illegal? Does he think it’s “less than morally-ideal” for smoking tobacco to be legal? Does he have any concept of the costs to society of Drug Prohibition?

In my opinion, the only thing worth noting about Mr. Brook’s column is how rare it is to read political commentary that’s sane, interesting, and informative. So much out there is pure garbage.

60 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:39:42am

re: #58 Flounder

bad Karma to make fun of the disabled.

I was going to make a South Park related joke here, but I’ll refrain.

61 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:40:11am

re: #58 Flounder

bad Karma to make fun of the disabled.

Yes it was bad taste. Sorry.

62 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:41:11am

Love the smell of election year in January—it’s the smell of 538.

fivethirtyeight.com

63 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:42:02am

re: #59 Ming

I hadn’t heard of David Brooks before today. After reading his NYT column, I’m amazed at its stupidity. Does Mr. Brooks think that smoking tobacco should be illegal? Does he think it’s “less than morally-ideal” for smoking tobacco to be legal? Does he have any concept of the costs to society of Drug Prohibition?

In my opinion, the only thing worth noting about Mr. Brook’s column is how rare it is to read political commentary that’s sane, interesting, and informative. So much out there is pure garbage.

See, this is what I don’t get about people like Mr. Brooks. As I said, not only is smoking tobacco and drinking alcohol perfectly legal and acceptable in our culture but it’s massively commercialized. Can’t read a magazine, watch TV, etc without seeing an ad for booze or tobacco yet somehow marijuana is “less than morally ideal”. As I said, I’d never tell a teenager “Hey go and smoke some weed, it’s good for you.” But I’d never tell the same kid to go out and buy a pack of smokes or beer either. People should be responsible with the stuff no doubt about it but that doesn’t mean it should be illegal and that it was wrong for Colorado and Washington to legalize marijuana. I honestly think by scaring kids about drug use, we encourage worse abuses.

64 Lidane  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:42:52am

re: #58 Flounder

bad Karma to make fun of the disabled.

Krauthammer is the same guy who bleated that the Democrats knew the weather for months so they didn’t move Obama’s 2012 convention speech indoors because of rain, they did it because they were afraid of empty seats.

Can I make fun of him for being a total lazy hack for that?

65 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:43:03am

Pretty funny to read all the outraged tweets from right wingers about legalizing pot.

66 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:43:36am

Well the buzz is better.

67 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:44:04am

re: #62 Decatur Deb

Love the smell of election year in January—it’s the smell of >538.

fivethirtyeight.com

Hmmm he’s looking for people. One can dream can’t he?

68 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:45:17am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Pretty funny to read all the outraged tweets from right wingers about legalizing pot.

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When is the last time someone went to jail for possession of tobacco?

69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:45:55am

re: #54 PhillyPretzel

Obviously that person has never been on the PA Turnpike when it is snow covered. Seeing a “Plow Train” anywhere in that type of weather is wonderful.

God bless ‘em, my girlfriend is on the PA Turnpike right now to PA airport…

70 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:45:56am

when i think of krauthammer, it makes me wonder where krautham is or was, and what it was like there in the old days

my own family so it seems came from someplace called bogdaniew…

71 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:46:11am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Hmmm he’s looking for people. One can dream can’t he?

He’s posting his needs and electrons are cheap. Somebody’s dream job, but probably cyclic employment.

72 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:46:22am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Pretty funny to read all the outraged tweets from right wingers about legalizing pot.

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I’d challenge that pathetic right wing hack to find someone who actually thinks cigarette smokers should be imprisoned. There’s a big difference between wanting smoking cigs banned in public and thinking marijuana use/possession should remain a felony. And for the record, I have problems with some of the cigarette prohibitions too but the two are totally different.

73 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:47:00am

re: #71 Decatur Deb

He’s posting his needs and electrons are cheap. Somebody’s dream job, but probably cyclic employment.

Yeah I imagine so. I’d love to get a job writing somewhere one day.

74 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:47:13am

re: #54 PhillyPretzel

“Plow Train”

like ‘soul train’ but not quite as funky?

75 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:47:52am

re: #68 b_sharp

When is the last time someone went to jail for possession of tobacco?

Christopher Moltisanti

76 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:48:23am

re: #68 b_sharp

When is the last time someone went to jail for possession of tobacco?

Fucking A man.

77 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:49:42am

Ugh. So while home in the staycation part of my vacation, cable box dies. TW says bring it in for a free new cable box. I do that and now all I have is basic, No good channels are “authorized”. I mean way basic cable. About 10 channels total. I call in and customer service after some fiddling with my new box says “Can’t get a technician to you before the 7th”

I say “if Direct TV can be here before then it’s an uninstall call for their tech.” A pause while a supervisor is queried, Then-We’ll have someone there no later than Saturday 3:00. I said fine I have a spare $20 for a tech if they make it today.

Thank heavens for my Amazon Prime, Netflix etc. I tried the vaunted TW tablet access and that is not very good at all. Low res, buffer delays, yuck.

78 Zamb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:50:24am

re: #68 b_sharp

They equate not being able to smoke at a restaurant as being the same as being arrested. Just like taxes are slavery any minor inconvenience is the same as the worst of oppression. It’s all black and white to some.

79 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:50:28am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Pretty funny to read all the outraged tweets from right wingers about legalizing pot.

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‘Everyone’ should not smoke pot. Distorts the market.

80 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:50:29am
81 BusyMonster  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:50:43am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Pretty funny to read all the outraged tweets from right wingers about legalizing pot.

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It’s awesome how he’s “just trying to get that straight” by getting it as crooked as he possibly can.

Oh, and I came here to say that if I really want to know what insufferable fools think I will actually read David Brooks but otherwise I have a billion better things to do.

Just think: reading someone is letting that person in your head, touching your brain. I don’t want some one so disgustingly lazy and useless as David Brooks touching my brain, thanks.

82 Flounder  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:51:16am

Actually I am still on the fence regarding the legalization of pot. I wouldn’t want to encourage it’s use, but taxing the crap out of it seems very reasonable to it’s legal introduction. I know I couldn’t handle pot, because I can’t handle alcohol. People popping oxycontin have been known to switch to heroin because it is cheaper. I don’t see anyone wanting to ban oxy.

83 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:52:01am

re: #74 dog philosopher

like ‘soul train’ but not quite as funky?

There’s a porn movie in ‘plow train’ somewhere.

84 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:52:50am

re: #80 Charles Johnson

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Have you named it?

85 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:53:00am

re: #82 Flounder

Actually I am still on the fence regarding the legalization of pot. I wouldn’t want to encourage it’s use, but taxing the crap out of it seems very reasonable to it’s legal introduction. I know I couldn’t handle pot, because I can’t handle alcohol. People popping oxycodone have been known to switch to heroin because it is cheaper. I don’t see anyone wanting to ban oxy.

Illegal pot is a critical part of the school-to-prison pipeline.

86 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:53:46am

re: #84 b_sharp

Have you named it?

Bubbles.

88 Lidane  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:56:19am

re: #82 Flounder

Actually I am still on the fence regarding the legalization of pot.

I’m not. Legalize it, regulate how it’s sold using the Colorado model, and tax the shit out of it. This would not only undercut the cheapest, easiest source of funding for the cartels, but it would also clear bed space in prisons for more violent offenders instead of non-violent potheads. You could also use the tax money for drug treatment programs.

89 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:56:55am

re: #74 dog philosopher

That is what one co-worker called it years ago.

90 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:57:28am

re: #88 Lidane

I’m not. Legalize it, regulate how it’s sold using the Colorado model, and tax the shit out of it. This would not only undercut the cheapest, easiest source of funding for the cartels, but it would also clear bed space in prisons for more violent offenders instead of non-violent potheads. You could also use the tax money for drug treatment programs.

Allow me to do my Emeril impression: BAM! BAM! BAM!

You nailed all the points on that one.

91 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:58:30am

I think another one of the big problems with drug prohibition is that you’re enabling organized crime. I don’t think the Mafia and other syndicates of the 1920’s would have taken off the way they did if alcohol hadn’t been made illegal. Secondly, you also see a disproportionately high amount of poor, young, and minority oeople punished for drug use. Poor black kid get popped for marijuana possession. That kid’s life is going to be tough. He’ll have a hard time getting a job but if you’re like SC Representative, Troy Radel and get caught, you get a small slap on the wrist and are okay. Justice should be blind but sometimes justice takes the blind fold off and favors the more powerful. If we insist on keeping drugs illegal, we need to make the focus treatment rather than punishment. I say this as someone who lost a family member to heroin abuse.

92 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:59:15am

re: #88 Lidane

I’m not. Legalize it, regulate how it’s sold using the Colorado model, and tax the shit out of it. This would not only undercut the cheapest, easiest source of funding for the cartels, but it would also clear bed space in prisons for more violent offenders instead of non-violent potheads. You could also use the tax money for drug treatment programs.

I think this is what we call a home run. And this is exactly why I’m pro legalization.

93 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:59:45am

re: #80 Charles Johnson

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I remember the first earthquake I ever felt. I had been stationed in Egypt, at the tip of the Sinai Peninsula, we were living in what were basically construction trailers divided into small rooms. When the wind blew hard they would rock a little.

My next assignment was at Ft. Ord in Monterey CA. Big huge steel / masonry barracks building. Wake up about 3 in the morning, bed is sort of rocking back and forth a bit. I’m thinking, “Man, that wind must really be blowing to move this building” and fell promptly back to sleep. It wasn’t until the next morning I found out it was a tremor. If I had know at 3 am it was an earthquake it would have freaked me out.

RBS

94 Flounder  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:02:25pm

re: #88 Lidane

I can’t disagree with your statements. I am on the fence for personal reasons, and I will stay on the fence. Locust fence, not barbed wire, I hate barbed wire.

95 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:03:48pm

the bad thing about legal reefer is that now it can be taxed and i hates them durn revenooers

96 Flounder  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:04:09pm

Just finished using Groupon for the first time. Bought some Chinese Sky Lanterns. I hope to freak out my neighbors and make them think UFO’s are overhead.

97 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:04:45pm

re: #77 Political Atheist

Hey, RWC, did you see my recent page on the NPR of Gun Clubs? The article is from the SF Chronicle & I thought you might enjoy it.

98 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:05:16pm

re: #93 RealityBasedSteve

MNF?

99 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:06:49pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

He’s posting his needs and electrons are cheap. Somebody’s dream job, but probably cyclic employment.

It’s my understanding that ESPN wants to build a 538 brand that offers “better than the average data,” for sports, politics and anything else the mouse owner wants to sell to the public.

ESPN is obviously pumping serious money into 538.

Seeing that ESPN will be Nate’s home shop, suspect the focus will be on sports, but considering all that the mouse has it’s hands on; and the now competition with Fox Sports, don’t think Nate and his staff will be bored.

And Vinnie at Caesar’s Palace will be paying attention.

100 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:06:57pm

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

Call Mr. Plow, that’s my name…

You ever notice that nobody quotes Simpsons episodes from after the first couple of seasons?

101 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:09:23pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

MNF?

Yep, MFO. I was the Ops NCO for the air field at South Camp.

RBS

102 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:10:22pm

I just had to do it.

103 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:11:02pm

re: #95 dog philosopher

the bad thing about legal reefer is that now it can be taxed and i hates them durn revenooers

As long as any state that legalizes it provides for individuals growing their own, I say go for it.

104 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:11:10pm

re: #99 BeenHereAwhile

It’s my understanding that ESPN wants to build a 538 brand that offers “better than the average data,” for sports, politics and anything else the mouse owner wants to sell to the public.

ESPN is obviously pumping serious money into 538.

Seeing that ESPN will be Nate’s home shop, suspect the focus will be on sports, but considering all that the mouse has it’s hands on; and the now competition with Fox Sports, don’t think Nate and his staff will be bored.

And Vinnie at Caesar’s Palace will be paying attention.

He’s such an election monster that I forgot all about the sports. Trying to imagine Nate S’s costume for the noon parade. Ugly thought.

105 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:11:32pm

re: #88 Lidane

I’m not. Legalize it, regulate how it’s sold using the Colorado model, and tax the shit out of it. This would not only undercut the cheapest, easiest source of funding for the cartels, but it would also clear bed space in prisons for more violent offenders instead of non-violent potheads. You could also use the tax money for drug treatment programs.

There’s a market for non-taxed alcohol and tobacco.

There will still be a market for non-taxed marijuana.

106 jaunte  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:12:36pm

re: #102 ObserverArt

That guy behind Palin is a narc.

107 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:13:28pm

Just wanted to post this before everybody forgets what we’re talking about:

Dash Rip Rock - “(Let’s Go) Smoke Some Pot”

Youtube Video

108 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:14:10pm

Excellent piece by Fred Kaplan:

109 BusyMonster  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:15:40pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

I. I don’t think the Mafia and other syndicates of the 1920’s would have taken off the way they did if alcohol hadn’t been made illegal.

As I recall, Prohibition essentially created our Mafia scene in the 1920’s. It was one of the most-blatantly-violated laws of all time. And it’s not even speculation to state that our war on drugs has been exactly as hypocritical.

It’s all about creating a web of easily-violated laws that can be used to selectively damage the lives of anyone getting in the way of the authoritarians who set this system up. It’s deliberate and it’s garbage.

110 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:17:46pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

Excellent piece by Fred Kaplan:

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It’s a good piece. Sure to piss off nuts like Woolsey who think he should be hanged and nuts like Greenwald who want him to get a time ticker parade. It’s not a black and white issue and I think Kaplan does a good job explaining why.

111 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:18:29pm

re: #109 BusyMonster

As I recall, Prohibition essentially created our Mafia scene in the 1920’s. It was one of the most-blatantly-violated laws of all time. And it’s not even speculation to state that our war on drugs has been exactly as hypocritical.

It’s all about creating a web of easily-violated laws that can be used to selectively damage the lives of anyone getting in the way of the authoritarians who set this system up. It’s deliberate and it’s garbage.

It did pretty much. Organized crime was around before prohibition but it really took off after alcohol was banned.

112 Lidane  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:18:32pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

He’s such an election monster that I forgot all about the sports. Trying to imagine Nate S’s costume for the noon parade. Ugly thought.

Nate’s articles on baseball should be epic. The guy cut his teeth doing baseball predictions. If they’re anything like his election predictions, he’ll be able to tell us who will play in the World Series next year and how many runs will be scored.

113 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:22:33pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

It’s a good piece. Sure to piss off nuts like Woolsey who think he should be hanged and nuts like Greenwald who want him to get a time ticker parade. It’s not a black and white issue and I think Kaplan does a good job explaining why.

IMHO, I think Snowden is a permanent guest of Russia, even if he wanted to leave.

114 jaunte  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:28:20pm
115 Lidane  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:28:48pm

re: #113 BeenHereAwhile

IMHO, I think Snowden is a permanent guest of Russia, even if he wanted to leave.

His choices are being returned to the US for trial on espionage charges, or staying in Russia permanently. No way is Putin going to let him just walk away now.

116 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:29:02pm

Hey, Sarah Palin smoked pot. Look what happened to her. It could happen to you too!!!!

RBS

117 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:30:41pm

Creative giants have smoked pot: “A derp, is a derp, is a derp.”

118 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:32:04pm
119 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:33:34pm

re: #109 BusyMonster


Fun factoid/family legend about my farm here in moonshine heaven:
John Dillinger, while on one of his usual scenic drives through Appalachia (read: checking in with his suppliers) stopped here and had lemonade and cookies on my front porch.
Some of the older folks who remember it have pointed out exactly where he sat on the porch.
I’ve been thinking of putting up some sort of suitable plaque/marker that says “Dillinger drank lemonade here!”

120 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:35:27pm

Greenwald’s so upset about that Daily Beast article, I might have to post about it.

121 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:36:11pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Greenwald’s so upset about that Daily Beast article, I might have to post about it.

He doesn’t seem to like anything that doesn’t treat his pal Ed as the greatest hero in the history of greatest heroes does he?

122 Kragar  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:38:28pm

5 Sad Ways A&E Became the Walmart of Television Networks

Read more: cracked.com

123 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:38:29pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun factoid/family legend about my farm here in moonshine heaven:
John Dillinger, while on one of his usual scenic drives through Appalachia (read: checking in with his suppliers) stopped here and had lemonade and cookies on my front porch.
Some of the older folks who remember it have pointed out exactly where he sat on the porch.
I’ve been thinking of putting up some sort of suitable plaque/marker that says “Dillinger drank lemonade here!”

Lemonade? Must have been a Sunday.

124 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:39:29pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun factoid/family legend about my farm here in moonshine heaven:
John Dillinger, while on one of his usual scenic drives through Appalachia (read: checking in with his suppliers) stopped here and had lemonade and cookies on my front porch.
Some of the older folks who remember it have pointed out exactly where he sat on the porch.
I’ve been thinking of putting up some sort of suitable plaque/marker that says “Dillinger drank lemonade here!”

A town here called Moose Jaw has tunnels under the city reportedly used by Al Capone during the prohibition where Canadian booze was made and stored for transport to the US.

125 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:39:57pm

Anybody whining about marijuana being legal because of its effects on people does not even deserve a moment’s attention.

The effects are such that, even when illegal, people consume it.

Now take a look at the effects of it being illegal. If you want a close look, I would direct you to every jail and prison in this country, then I would direct you to Mexico. I don’t think they can recover from being a failed state until the war on drugs finally comes to an end.

126 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:41:13pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Greenwald’s so upset about that Daily Beast article, I might have to post about it.

Poor Greenwald. He’s going from a good article “up” one day and a bad article “down” another. Some days he even has to deal with both good and bad.

Maybe he should take up smoking pot.

Glenn Greenwald stoned: “Tell Snowden I’ll call him back when I want to hear him whine about the stoopid spy crap, I’m watching Monty Python reruns and eating chips right now. Fuck this shit man, I don’t need it,”

127 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:45:50pm

huffingtonpost.com
This is honestly sad- willing to starve himself because other people have the same rights he does ow in his state.

128 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:46:55pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Greenwald’s so upset about that Daily Beast article, I might have to post about it.

Reading it, the qualifiers in the text don’t definitively support the headline. Hate it when someone gives GG more arguments to twist. The Kaplan article was far more damning.

129 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:49:44pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

Anybody whining about marijuana being legal because of its effects on people does not even deserve a moment’s attention.

The effects are such that, even when illegal, people consume it.

Now take a look at the effects of it being illegal. If you want a close look, I would direct you to every jail and prison in this country, then I would direct you to Mexico. I don’t think they can recover from being a failed state until the war on drugs finally comes to an end.

Well, you know what happens when you overdose don’t you? You want to eat something and then take a nice nap!

/

I have seen some bad reactions in a few people. However, I’ve often wondered if pot and other psychoactive materials just enhance and maybe over-emphasize the character and the flaws in that character of the individual. Paranoids get real paranoid. Assholes get to be bigger assholes, weepy emos get more weepy emo, pranksters screw around more, artists go into image enhancement and that next creation, musicians get really into that lead they’ve been working on, readers read more…etc.

No one size, one reaction fits all.

130 Kragar  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:50:43pm

Having the flu fucking sucks. I’m sweaty, achey, my sinuses are full of gunk and I feel like I’ve got 2 pingpong balls lodged under my jaw.

My wife is sick too, and we had plans to go out tonight.

131 Ming  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:50:46pm

re: #57 jaunte

Whoever’s been drugging the tap water in the Acela, please just stop. Your efforts have resulted in complementary columns in the Washington Post from Ruth Marcus and in the New York Times from David Brooks.

I’ve now read both the Brooks and the Marcus columns. It’s a strange feeling to realize that the columns are from the New York Times and the Washington Post.

The columns are so thoughtless, so irrelevant, that they’re flat-out boring. The War on Drugs has spanned decades, and affected millions of lives. It’s touched our society in so many ways. It really is America’s longest war, and it’s not over yet. It’s amazing that Brooks and Marcus both managed to say so little about it.

Maybe this is how the War on Drugs ends, not with a bang, but a whimper.

132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:51:27pm

re: #123 Decatur Deb

Lemonade? Must have been a Sunday.

I’m fairly certain there was more than just lemons and sugar in that lemonade…

133 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:52:24pm

re: #130 Kragar

Having the flu fucking sucks. I’m sweaty, achey, my sinuses are full of gunk and I feel like I’ve got 2 pingpong balls lodged under my jaw.

My wife is sick too, and we had plans to go out tonight.

Order a pizza tonight, watch a movie and make it a date.

RBS

134 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:52:40pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Thank You. Sorry but it’s a blatant double standard for society to have the mass commercialization of alcohol and tobacco and yet to make smoking marijuana a crime. Should people be responsible when they smoke pot? Absolutely, they should the same way they are when they operate a motor vehicle, drink a beer, etc.

Did I say anything about Driving Under the Influence?

I’m confused.

135 Kragar  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:53:07pm

re: #133 RealityBasedSteve

Order a pizza tonight, watch a movie and make it a date.

RBS

Nothing with cheese

136 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:53:14pm

re: #129 ObserverArt

Well, you know what happens when you overdose don’t you? You want to eat something and then take a nice nap!

/

I have seen some bad reactions in a few people. However, I’ve often wondered if pot and other psychoactive materials just enhance and maybe over-emphasize the character and the flaws in that character of the individual. Paranoids get real paranoid. Assholes get to be bigger assholes, weepy emos get more weepy emo, pranksters screw around more, artists go into image enhancement and that next creation, musicians get really into that lead they’ve been working on, readers read more…etc.

No one size, one reaction fits all.

I’ve seen people faint, and I knew a guy who forgot how to get home, six blocks away.

And I’ve known people who were arrested, abused by cops, sentenced to ridiculous extremes, harassed, and so forth. The war on drugs has ruined more lives than doing drugs has.

137 jaunte  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:53:33pm

re: #130 Kragar

My sympathies. I got sick Christmas night and just today started feeling like eating again.

138 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:54:18pm

re: #130 Kragar

Having the flu fucking sucks. I’m sweaty, achey, my sinuses are full of gunk and I feel like I’ve got 2 pingpong balls lodged under my jaw.

My wife is sick too, and we had plans to go out tonight.

{{Kragar and MrsKragar}}

139 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:54:38pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Pretty funny to read all the outraged tweets from right wingers about legalizing pot.

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Let’s put it in language that clowns like JPod will understand: when marijuana is criminalized, only criminals will have access to marijuana.

140 darthstar  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:54:38pm
141 Lidane  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:54:58pm

re: #135 Kragar

Nothing with cheese

Get some sort of Asian stir-fry with ginger and a couple of bowls of hot & sour soup. That should clear your sinuses.

142 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:55:05pm

re: #97 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey, RWC, did you see my recent page on the NPR of Gun Clubs? The article is from the SF Chronicle & I thought you might enjoy it.

I did see that. Of course there are a lot of gun folks that want nothing to do with the NRA.

143 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:55:37pm

re: #68 b_sharp

When is the last time someone went to jail for possession of tobacco?

Probably not so long ago. There is trade in un-taxed tobacco.

144 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:56:15pm

re: #141 Lidane

Get some sort of Asian stir-fry with ginger and a couple of bowls of hot & sour soup. That should clear your sinuses.

That or a 3/8” x 12” auger.

145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:56:29pm

re: #129 ObserverArt

Well, you know what happens when you overdose don’t you? You want to eat something and then take a nice nap!

/

I have seen some bad reactions in a few people. However, I’ve often wondered if pot and other psychoactive materials just enhance and maybe over-emphasize the character and the flaws in that character of the individual. Paranoids get real paranoid. Assholes get to be bigger assholes, weepy emos get more weepy emo, pranksters screw around more, artists go into image enhancement and that next creation, musicians get really into that lead they’ve been working on, readers read more…etc.

No one size, one reaction fits all.

A lot of times, bad reactions are due to “enhancements” add to the pot.
I’m still bemused that it’s all about “bud” these days.
Back in my mis-spent youth it was only leaves, stems and seeds.
These whippersnappers today don’t know how exciting it was smoking that stuff…

146 darthstar  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:56:57pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Greenwald’s so upset about that Daily Beast article, I might have to post about it.

Good. The vacillation between OMG NYTIMES I’M A WINNER! and OMG! THEY CAN’T SAY THAT ABOUT SNOWDEN! has to be taking its toll on him.

147 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:57:31pm

re: #141 Lidane

Get some sort of Asian stir-fry with ginger and a couple of bowls of hot & sour soup. That should clear your sinuses.

and horseradish…gotta have horseradish.

148 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:57:54pm

re: #143 FemNaziBitch

Probably not so long ago. There is trade in un-taxed tobacco.

But that isn’t for possession is it? Isn’t it for transporting a controlled substance across State lines?

149 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:58:57pm

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

Did I say anything about Driving Under the Influence?

I’m confused.

No, you didn’t. I am just saying that we can place the same stipulations on marijuana usage that we do with alcohol. People say “Oh if you legalize marijuana, people will drive under the possession of it.” Have similar laws to driving under the influence of alcohol.

150 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:01:17pm

The fun part about Colorado and the change in the law is these super straight white & well dressed news anchors say “Bubba Kush” with a straight face.

151 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:02:52pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

No, you didn’t. I am just saying that we can place the same stipulations on marijuana usage that we do with alcohol. People say “Oh if you legalize marijuana, people will drive under the possession of it.” Have similar laws to driving under the influence of alcohol.

Yes, obviously.

I guess I’m just amazed at the number of totally drug-free people out there (at least those who claim to be drug-free). Ask them if they think anyone taking vicodin would be more violent or be a danger to society. Vicodin, although not as good as weed, is rather similar in it’s effects.

Gives me a headache tho.

There are a lot of people lying about their younger days. Those that protest the loudest are the ones.

152 bratwurst  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:03:18pm

re: #82 Flounder

People popping oxycontin have been known to switch to heroin because it is cheaper. I don’t see anyone wanting to ban oxy.

SHOCKINGLY you may not know what you are talking about:

banoxycontin.com
FDA Bars Generic Drugmakers From Producing Original OxyContin Formula

There is a serious drug problem in the United States. The prescription one is putting more people in graves by far.

153 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:04:56pm

re: #152 bratwurst

SHOCKINGLY you may not know what you are talking about:

banoxycontin.com
FDA Bars Generic Drugmakers From Producing Original OxyContin Formula

There is a serious drug problem in the United States. The prescription one is putting more people in graves by far.

Young people know more today about precscription drugs than street drugs. They know how to get them, how to combine them for different highs. I’m amazed sometimes at how freaking’ smart they are.

scary.

154 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:05:17pm

Another privileged white moron ignores the murderous war on drugs and airs her concerns:

155 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:05:31pm

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

Yes, obviously.

I guess I’m just amazed at the number of totally drug-free people out there (at least those who claim to be drug-free). Ask them if they think anyone taking vicodin would be more violent or be a danger to society. Vicodin, although not as good as weed, is rather similar in it’s effects.

Gives me a headache tho.

There are a lot of people lying about their younger days. Those that protest the loudest are the ones.

Yeah the double standards on this issue piss me off too.

156 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:07:04pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

No, you didn’t. I am just saying that we can place the same stipulations on marijuana usage that we do with alcohol. People say “Oh if you legalize marijuana, people will drive under the possession of it.” Have similar laws to driving under the influence of alcohol.

It is the testing for “under the influence” that has been a problem with weed that I remember hurting the enforcement part. Things might have gotten better in detection, but I remember that there was a problem in that respect. THC gets metabolized in the body and hangs around for a long while. Trying to detect (like in a BAC test for alcohol) the amount in the system that was recently ingested has been elusive. And unlike most other drugs (alcohol, speed, meth, heroin, etc) that the body purges as soon as it can, the fat cells like THC and its metabolites. Hard to tell if it was recently ingested or had been stored 2 weeks ago.

157 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:07:28pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

Another privileged white moron ignores the murderous war on drugs and airs her concerns:

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So where’s her support for banning alcohol? Alcohol makes you fat, sleepy, and lazy too. Sick of the double standards on this shit. Legalizing marijuana isn’t going to turn us into a nation of marijuana abusers despite what morons like Ms. Brown and Mr. Brooks want to believe.

158 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:08:37pm

re: #156 Eventual Carrion

It is the testing for “under the influence” that has been a problem with weed that I remember hurting the enforcement part. Things might have gotten better in detection, but I remember that there was a problem in that respect. THC gets metabolized in the body and hangs around for a long while. Trying to detect (like in a BAC test for alcohol) the amount in the system that was recently ingested has been elusive. And unlike most other drugs (alcohol, speed, meth, heroin, etc) that the body purges as soon as it can, the fat cells like THC and its metabolites. Hard to tell if it was recently ingested or had been stored 2 weeks ago.

True, good point. Just saying that just because pot will be legal does not mean that legalization advocates think it’s okay to smoke a bunch and then go out for a drive. It’s a straw man argument.

159 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:09:12pm

re: #141 Lidane

Get some sort of Asian stir-fry with ginger and a couple of bowls of hot & sour soup. That should clear your sinuses.

Yep. Some Szechuan, some hot and sour soup and a big box of tissues.

I used to get Szechuan at a place run by some Thai folks. You could ask then to amp up the spice and the heat and it could go nuclear. Loved it. Some of their Thai dishes were also very hot.

160 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:28:00pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

Another privileged white moron ignores the murderous war on drugs and airs her concerns:

…legal weed contributes to us being a fatter, dumber, sleepier nation even less able to compete with the Chinese — Tina Brown

As if rampant consumerism hasn’t already done that.

161 piratedan  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:28:47pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

Another privileged white moron ignores the murderous war on drugs and airs her concerns:

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all the while neglecting that a vast majority of our music and other cultural arts have been chemically inspired for the last six decades… you know, the things that make America great?

162 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:30:59pm

re: #161 piratedan

all the while neglecting that a vast majority of our music and other cultural arts have been chemically inspired for the last six decades… you know, the things that make America great?

And of course ignoring alcohol and the whole idea of Prohibition and what a fiasco that was.

163 Ming  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:40:28pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

Another privileged white moron ignores the murderous war on drugs and airs her concerns:…
“legal weed contributes to us being a fatter, dumber, sleepier nation even less able to compete with the Chinese”

If China had a War on Drugs, with all the attendant costs to their society, they might not be doing so well economically. Actually, not many countries can afford to spend the kind of money that we spend to fight peaceful marijuana use.


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