Robert Gates Smacks Down the GOP, ‘I Agreed With All the President’s Decisions on Afghanistan.’

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Robert Gates smacked down Republicans who are using his book to criticize President Obama by saying, “I agreed with all the president’s decisions on Afghanistan.”

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1 Origuy  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:03:11am

Cries of “Gates is a RINO” in 3, 2, 1…

2 prairiefire  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:11:08am

As usual, the right jumped on this last week relying only on snippets of the book. They ain’t gonna like the real thing!

3 darthstar  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:12:00am

Don’t tell Satty…he used Gates evisceration of Obama as an argument against Christie criticism the other day.

4 darthstar  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:12:34am

re: #2 prairiefire

As usual, the right jumped on this last week relying only on snippets of the book. They ain’t gonna like the real thing!

They jumped on out of context snippets leaked from the book.

5 piratedan  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:14:30am

he’s obviously been tainted since he’s worked in the Dark One’s administration…..

The Republican purity purges will continue unabated until they burn a liberal at the stake in the name of Jeebus, after they riddle him with AK-47’s with the 30 bullet clips. They’ll justify it by saying that they were an atheist who was coming to take their guns and relocate them to a UN refugee camp where they would be taught Sharia Law.

Peggy Noonan will then write a column indicating that it’s good to see patriots exercising their second amendment privileges and Andrew Sullivan will reference David Brooks lauding our social progress by stating that at least the liberal was shot humanely.

6 jaunte  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:14:34am

A “devastating criticism” is probably a better characterization of Gates’ description of most Congress members.

“I saw most of Congress as uncivil, incompetent at fulfilling their basic constitutional responsibilities (such as timely appropriations), micromanagerial, parochial, hypocritical, egotistical, thin-skinned and prone to put self (and re-election) before country.”

7 prairiefire  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:14:54am

“Lib media using Christie scandal to obscure Gates BOMBSHELL!”

8 Political Atheist  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:17:27am

Finally a look at the book that is not a partisan headline. Sheesh, took too long. Gonna buy it next week.

9 erik_t  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:18:34am

Clearly the Obamadrones got to him and his family. This is yet more evidence of the stunning conspiracy to shout down criticism and alternate opinions of the President, and I for one don’t understand why the media isn’t covering this.

//////////////////INFINITE SARCASM///////////////

10 Political Atheist  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:18:50am

re: #1 Origuy

Hmmm contrast that with the initial reaction to his talk about Biden and Obama at first. If everyone gets pissed at him I’ll probably have more faith in his writings than otherwise at this point.

11 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:25:01am

re: #7 prairiefire

“Lib media using Christie scandal to obscure Gates BOMBSHELL!”

Needs moar Benghazi.

12 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:25:41am

Wingnuts have to be willing to read to actually be informed. TL:DR

/Breitbart Cliffnotes

13 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:29:56am

I watch Fox news for the same reasons I call an escort service for dates. Both tell me what I want to hear

RBS

14 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:36:44am
15 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:37:05am
16 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:37:23am
17 nines09  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:41:46am

So the actual author of the book sets the GOP and Tea Party straight? That must seem like treason to them. Facts are meaningless. Worthless mud slinging. Or worse. The monkey house at the zoo comes to mind. Pitiful.

18 Mattand  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:49:03am

re: #3 darthstar

Don’t tell Satty…he used Gates evisceration of Obama as an argument against Christie criticism the other day.

Ugh.

I can’t even imagine the tortured logic used to get to that point.

That’s along the lines of his brilliant assertion that the 911 operator saying “You don’t need to do that” to Zimmerman is not that same as “Don’t follow that kid.”

19 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:53:26am
20 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 11:59:50am


Derp.

21 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:01:19pm

We should get rid of agency “X” because some day it might be used by candidate “X.”

22 Political Atheist  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:01:52pm

re: #20 Gus

Bam! Perfectly points out the weaknesses of “so far so good” logic to support some “extrordinary” measures.

23 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:02:32pm

re: #20 Gus

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Derp.

Oh for Pete’s sake. “Imagine someone like Chris Christie with the power of the NSA?”

This is supposed to be intelligent commentary? Man, Digby has gone so far off the rails on this issue.

24 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:02:45pm

re: #22 Political Atheist

Bam! Perfectly points out the weaknesses of “so far so good” logic to support some “extrordinary” measures.

We should get rid of the Army because some day it might be used by a tyrant.

25 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:03:12pm

re: #24 Gus

We should get rid of the Army because some day it might be used by a tyrant.

Imagine Chris Christie with nuclear weapons.

26 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:03:38pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Imagine Chris Christie with nuclear weapons.

We should unilaterally disarm now. Just in case. //

27 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:04:32pm

re: #26 Gus

We should unilaterally disarm now. Just in case. //

He would have just nuked the George Washington Bridge.

28 jaunte  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:05:08pm

Close all the lanes. No more traffic problems.
/test

29 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:05:50pm

Welcome to Alex Jones Lite™ world.

30 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:06:10pm

For that matter, imagine someone like Chris Christie with the power of a deity. There’s no telling how much damage he could do to the fabric of space and time.

31 Internet Tough Guy  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:06:18pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

And promoted the guy who dropped the bomb.

32 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:07:15pm

We should get rid of concrete because some day it might be used to create concrete emplacements to tyrannize Americans!

33 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:07:43pm

Imagine if Chris Christie was the gigantic black hole at the center of our galaxy. You think he’s a bully now.

34 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:08:45pm

We should get rid of the FBI now because you never know. Sarah Palin could, in theory, become president. Better safe than sorry!

35 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:10:02pm

VACCINES COULD SOME DAY BE USED TO DRUG AMERICANS AND TAKE THEM TO FEMA CAMPS SO WE BETTER STOP USING VACCINES!!!!!!!!

36 Internet Tough Guy  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:11:11pm

Chris Christie could be president; therefore, we must get rid of the Department of Transportation.

37 Snarknado!  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:11:33pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Oh for Pete’s sake. “Imagine someone like Chris Christie with the power of the NSA?”

This is supposed to be intelligent commentary? Man, Digby has gone so far off the rails on this issue.

Is this an argument against the NSA or against the “Christie for President” movement? If the latter, I agree.

38 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:12:23pm

re: #36 Internet Tough Guy

Chris Christie could be president; therefore, we must get rid of the Department of Transportation.

A PRESIDENT CHRIS CHRISTIE WOULD CLOSE ALL THE ROADS AROUND THE BAY AREA!!!!!!!!!!!

39 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:13:22pm

And don’t forget about water treatment plants. There is no telling what they are putting in the water. I’ve read that they have barrels of chemicals to make people passive and easy to control. They are under orders to put them in the water in the event that Obama decides to move against us.

I just made that up, but it has all the qualities of a premium vintage wingnut theory.

RBS

40 Ryan King  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:13:47pm

re: #38 Gus

A PRESIDENT CHRIS CHRISTIE WOULD CLOSE ALL THE ROADS AROUND THE BAY AREA!!!!!!!!!!!

Instead of waterboarding you’ll be traffic coned.

41 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:13:50pm

re: #37 Snarknado!

Is this an argument against the NSA or against the “Christie for President” movement? If the latter, I agree.

…

I’m sure that president Obama isn’t ordering politically friendly NSA and FBI supporters to find damaging information against his political rivals. And I’m sure he isn’t even hinting that he is, even in a joking fashion, when he is engaged in important legislative negotiations. But somebody could. Chris Christie could. And I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Chris Christie, under political pressure, could easily order the surveillance of dissenters. And think about this: he is a former US Attorney, with friends throughout federal law enforcement. I’m sure most of them are as honest as the day is long. And I’m also sure there are a few who aren’t.

Finally, since the NSA cannot even point to any terrorist plots that have been successfully foiled with this massive collection, this little demonstration in political thuggishness up in New Jersey this week from the new chairman of the Republican Governors Association and an early favorite for the GOP presidential nomination should make even the supporters ask themselves whether or not these programs are really worth it. Just because the technology exists to keep this information doesn’t mean we should do it.

42 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:14:03pm

re: #37 Snarknado!

Is this an argument against the NSA or against the “Christie for President” movement? If the latter, I agree.

The problem is that the argument’s absurd. The entire structure of the NSA is designed so that no one person will ever have the power to direct its surveillance efforts. Even if Christie becomes President, the idea that he could just use the NSA like a personal spy agency is beyond ludicrous. It does not work that way.

43 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:17:22pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Imagine Chris Christie with nuclear weapons.

OTOH, the fear of Sarah Palin being anywhere near nuclear weapons was enough to drive people to vote against McCain.

44 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:17:32pm

45 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:19:14pm

Speaking of ‘journalism’…

46 jaunte  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:19:27pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

“Send 25 Cents to the Author, Prof. Orlando Ferguson, for a book explaining this Square and Stationary Earth. It Knocks the Globe Theory Clean Out. It will Teach You How to Foretell Eclipses. It is Worth Its Weight in Gold.”
thehistoryblog.com

47 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:19:44pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Speaking of ‘journalism’…

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Wut?

48 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:22:42pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Shorter Brit Hume:

Teh wimminz are to blame!

49 bratwurst  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:22:49pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Wow, almost exactly 4 years since Hume said Tiger Woods needed to become a Christian to recover from his marital problems because his Buddhist faith doesn’t “offer the kind of forgiveness and redemption” necessary:

Youtube Video

50 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:23:19pm
51 darthstar  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:23:23pm

52 blueraven  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:23:30pm

My problem with Gates’ book is not the content so much as the timing. I find it distasteful, if not quite harmful to be commenting on private issues in Afghanistan while troops are still there.

The “revelation” that Obama “can’t stand” Karzai for example; no secret I am sure, but is this helpful in getting a SOFA? Just seems wrong for a Secretary of Defense to be engaged in such petty, gossipy things that could have an effect on the outcome. It is not helpful, that’s for sure.

53 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:24:17pm

re: #48 Lidane

Shorter Brit Hume:

Teh wimminz are to blame!

“Feminized!” Fox News contributor Lauren Ashburn gasped.

“Atmosphere,” Hume nodded. “By which I mean that men today have learned the lesson the hard way that if you act like kind of an old-fashioned guy’s guy, you’re in constant danger of slipping out and saying something that’s going to get you in trouble and make you look like a sexist or make you look like you seem thuggish or whatever. That’s the atmosphere in which we operate.”

‘Back in the good old days, a guy’s guy could say anything he wanted about rape, for instance….’

54 darthstar  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:24:40pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Speaking of ‘journalism’…

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I think Brit Hume addressing any woman is an affront..

55 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:24:52pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Imagine if Chris Christie was the gigantic black hole at the center of our galaxy. You think he’s a bully now.

Come back to earth, Charles.

56 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:25:24pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

‘Back in the good old days, a guy’s guy could say anything he wanted about rape, for instance….’

Brit Hume needs to ask Clayton Williams how well that worked out.

57 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:25:43pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

‘Back in the good old days, a guy’s guy could say anything he wanted about rape, for instance….’

Time for pasture Brit.

58 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:26:28pm
59 Kragar  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:26:35pm

I heard back from Obdicut. He said he posted earlier but I haven’t found it yet. He’s getting over a concussion.

60 jaunte  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:26:57pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

“This guy is very much an old-fashioned masculine, muscular guy”

The kind of guy who secretly tells his people to screw up the lives of some other people over there, and hopes you get blamed. That kind of direct, manly guy.

61 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:27:50pm

MEN! WE MUST RID THE WORLD OF WIMMINS NOW BEFORE THEY DESTROY OUR KIND!!!!!!!!

62 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:28:04pm

re: #59 Kragar

I heard back from Obdicut. He said he posted earlier but I haven’t found it yet. He’s getting over a concussion.

I saw that. I hope he feels better soon.

63 darthstar  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:28:14pm
64 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:28:29pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

Time for pasture Brit.

(He didn’t actually say that…)

65 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:29:08pm

Didn’t Bush make Hume cry once?

66 Ryan King  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:29:08pm

Quit being wimminy.

67 calochortus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:29:19pm

re: #63 darthstar

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It’s not unloving. It’s untruthful.

68 Kragar  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:29:46pm

re: #62 Lidane

I saw that. I hope he feels better soon.

Me too. We’d been emailing on a project maybe 2-3 times a week and all of a sudden, nothing back from him. I was fearing the worst. Glad to see he is recovering.

69 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:29:54pm

re: #63 darthstar

If heaven means I’d have to hang out with people like Mark Driscoll for all eternity, I’ll take hell.

70 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:30:29pm
71 compound_Idaho  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:31:45pm

re: #39 RealityBasedSteve

And don’t forget about water treatment plants. There is no telling what they are putting in the water. I’ve read that they have barrels of chemicals to make people passive and easy to control. They are under orders to put them in the water in the event that Obama decides to move against us.

I just made that up, but it has all the qualities of a premium vintage wingnut theory.

RBS

No. You are late to the game. The wingnuts have already covered that ground. That’s why they put fluoride in the drinking water.

72 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:31:53pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

If heaven means I’d have to hang out with people like Mark Driscoll for all eternity, I’ll take hell.

Hell will have a better house band anyway.

73 Ryan King  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:33:11pm

Thank you Brit Hume for advancing the cause of feminism.

74 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:34:03pm
75 darthstar  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:34:06pm

re: #72 Lidane

Hell will have a better house band anyway.

And you don’t have to worry about having 72 virgins follow you around asking why you never call.

76 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:35:22pm

I haven’t read the book. Only the excerpts that have been released to date. Did see part of his appearance on CBS Sunday Morning, and from the look of it, he had far more harsh things to say about Congress and the poisonous and acrimonious atmosphere there than any differences he may have had with White House officials.

There was quite a bit of candor, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he had differences with the WH - Bush or Obama. I wasn’t surprised to hear it either. I wouldn’t want any Cabinet level person to be a yes man. I’d want them to have their own ideas and to honestly appraise the situation.

Gates may have thought the President wasn’t sure of his course of action in Afghanistan, and I’m sure that mirrored what a lot of people. Gates may have had a point that the President needed to do more than just sell that he was behind the decision than he did since he was putting 50,000 Americans into the firing line as part of the Afghan surge.

Gates took his job seriously and from the sound of it, he did a credible job despite the harsh conditions of trying to improve US safety/security in Iraq as part of a drawdown, as well as in Afghanistan.

I heard just how tough Gates had it trying to get MRAPs into service. Not surprising how problematic the appropriation and acquisitions process is. That’s one area that must change. We simply can’t afford to continue business as usual on that front.

But it’s no surprise pundits and media outlets are going to take snippets and blow them out of proportion or misrepresent what he had to say about his time as SecDef.

77 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:35:40pm

Ladies! Ladies! Now look what you’ve done turning Gov. Christie into a bully. You should be ashamed of yourselves!

//

78 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:35:53pm

re: #65 Gus

Didn’t Bush make Hume cry once?

I thought that was Tony Snow. Not sure though.

79 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:36:25pm

re: #78 Lidane

I thought that was Tony Snow. Not sure though.

OK, thanks. Fuzzy memory of that event.

80 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:37:09pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

When folks like him suggest that I’ll go to hell if I don’t believe in Jesus, well, the NIN song Heresy keeps popping back in my head.

Your god is dead.
And no one cares.
If there is a hell, I’ll see you there.

These people think that they have the Big Guy on speed dial, but it’s more like a game of telephone, and they’ve been repeating a blurred message that they and others further distort.

81 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:37:35pm

re: #77 Gus

Ladies! Ladies! Now look what you’ve done turning Gov. Christie into a bully. You should be ashamed of yourselves!

//

There’s no fighting in here. This is the War Room!

82 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:37:37pm

Guess Christie’s manliness was too bottled up with all of the wimmins in his office. Only outlet is through being a bully.

//

83 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:40:06pm

re: #46 jaunte
“Send 25 Cents to the Author, Prof. Orlando Ferguson, for a book explaining this Square and Stationary Earth. It Knocks the Globe Theory Clean Out. It will Teach You How to Foretell Eclipses. It is Worth Its Weight in Gold.”
thehistoryblog.com

Just imagine what would happen if you combine the “Square and Stationary Earth” with “The Time Cube” I’m not sure exactly what WOULD happen, but it would be cosmic.

RBS

84 Ryan King  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:40:09pm

We have feminized men so much they can’t be men anymore. It’s like a War on Men.

85 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:40:25pm

re: #76 lawhawk

There was quite a bit of candor, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he had differences with the WH - Bush or Obama. I wasn’t surprised to hear it either. I wouldn’t want any Cabinet level person to be a yes man. I’d want them to have their own ideas and to honestly appraise the situation.

Seriously. As tempting as it might be for them, I wouldn’t want any POTUS to surround themselves with a bunch of weak-willed yes men in their Cabinet. There should be disagreements and pushback and real debate on ideas behind the scenes.

86 Mattand  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:43:20pm

re: #80 lawhawk

When folks like him suggest that I’ll go to hell if I don’t believe in Jesus, well, the NIN song Heresy keeps popping back in my head.

Your god is dead.
And no one cares.
If there is a hell, I’ll see you there.

These people think that they have the Big Guy on speed dial, but it’s more like a game of telephone, and they’ve been repeating a blurred message that they and others further distort.

I’d replace “telephone” with “soup cans attached by string”, but the overall point is correct.

87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:45:21pm
88 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:45:25pm

re: #86 Mattand

And the person on the other end of the string sounds like Charlie Brown’s teacher.

89 prairiefire  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:45:43pm

re: #59 Kragar

I heard back from Obdicut. He said he posted earlier but I haven’t found it yet. He’s getting over a concussion.

Obdi!!!! Hope you feel better soon!

90 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:46:48pm
91 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:48:15pm

re: #85 Lidane

Seriously. As tempting as it might be for them, I wouldn’t want any POTUS to surround themselves with a bunch of weak-willed yes men in their Cabinet. There should be disagreements and pushback and real debate on ideas behind the scenes.

Exactly. A real leader should seek out and give weight to dissenting opinions and thoughts when forming a policy. To do otherwise is to live in an echo chamber. It was my understanding that was part of Obama’s leadership style, decision making practice.

RBS

92 Skip Intro  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:49:36pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

‘Back in the good old days, a guy’s guy could say anything he wanted about rape, for instance….’

And slap the dame around too, because the broad had it coming.

93 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:50:50pm

re: #92 Skip Intro

And slap the dame around too, because the broad had it coming.

And the kids, too. Gotta rule the roost.

94 palomino  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:53:28pm

re: #63 darthstar

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Like I’ve said before, the most arrogant people in this country are conservative Christians who think everyone else is going to hell.

Liberal arrogance involves calling conservatives backwards and ridiculing their policy ideas.

Conservative arrogance involves condemning others to hell.

So which side of the current US political spectrum is really the arrogant one?

95 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:53:44pm

HURR HURR

96 Mattand  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:55:53pm

More speculation about GWB Vendatta-gate:

Following the Money on Bridgegate

Christ, I hope this gets resolved soon. I’m so sick of this kind of shit. It’s utterly selfish, but the Pennsylvania people I often work with pretty much shit all over me for being from NJ. They don’t need more fucking ammo.

97 Uncle Obdicut  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:56:06pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

The problem is that the argument’s absurd. The entire structure of the NSA is designed so that no one person will ever have the power to direct its surveillance efforts. Even if Christie becomes President, the idea that he could just use the NSA like a personal spy agency is beyond ludicrous. It does not work that way.

Also, he’s got the FBI. The FBI that actually does tons of domestic infiltration shit. It still boggles my mind that people are freaking out about the NSA when the FBI will actually send undercover agents to infiltrate your organization.

98 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:56:17pm

re: #95 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR

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Someone should tell the Freepers that it’s the FBI trolling them.

99 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:56:46pm

re: #95 Pie-onist Overlord

They can form all the militias they want. It still won’t give them any chance against the actual US military.

100 Mattand  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:00:02pm

re: #99 Lidane

They can form all the militias they want. It still won’t give them any chance against the actual US military.

My worry is that if they actually get to the point that they’re even a minor threat, a militia full of weekend Red Dawn fanatics could take a lot of civilians with them.

These idiots have no idea how much in common they have with Al Queda.

101 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:00:42pm

re: #97 Uncle Obdicut

Also, he’s got the FBI. The FBI that actually does tons of domestic infiltration shit. It still boggles my mind that people are freaking out about the NSA when the FBI will actually send undercover agents to infiltrate your organization.

Absolutely - the FBI has far more intrusive powers than the NSA as far as US civilians go. But even there, the days when a president could direct the FBI to go dig up some dirt on a political opponent are long gone.

102 Mattand  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:03:05pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Absolutely - the FBI has far more intrusive powers than the NSA as far as US civilians go. But even there, the days when a president could direct the FBI to go dig up some dirt on a political opponent are long gone.

It always amazes me that when you look at the FBI under Hoover, it often seemed to operate like a secret police organization. If you got on Hoover’s bad side, you were fucked.

103 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:03:19pm

Alternate theory. Hume thinks we all see Christie as a bully because we’re all feminized and need to man up because Christie is not a bully. Or something.

104 palomino  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:03:28pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Speaking of ‘journalism’…

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Brit Hume is a 70-year old man who looks 80 and sounds drunk. For fuck’s sake, he’s been “semi-retired” for 5 years now, and doesn’t even host his own show anymore. He just pops up now to add commentary to push the same Fox line he’s adhered to since day one. Point is, he and his ideas are old and less relevant with each day.

You’re not gonna get anywhere, except with southerners and the nursing home crowd, with complaints of America becoming “feminized.” It’s the bullshit Limbaugh rhetoric of old white guys who pine for the back of daddy’s sedan in the 1950’s. It’s a little bit like the term I heard growing up in the south, “Negrified”, as if something (schools, restaurants, college football) was getting ruined because blacks now were on equal footing with whites (in theory, at least).

105 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:04:36pm

Rebranding!

106 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:05:12pm

re: #103 Gus

Alternate theory. Hume thinks we all see Christie as a bully because we’re all feminized and need to man up because Christie is not a bully. Or something.

Christie is just being a ‘guy’s guy’. Used to be nothing wrong with that, before women started having opinions and stuff.

107 Snarknado!  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:05:32pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

The problem is that the argument’s absurd. The entire structure of the NSA is designed so that no one person will ever have the power to direct its surveillance efforts. Even if Christie becomes President, the idea that he could just use the NSA like a personal spy agency is beyond ludicrous. It does not work that way.

I was thinking as much about the general powers of the office as the NSA in particular, but also, unscrupulous people are frighteningly good at finding unexpected ways to use and abuse powers, and the rest of us are always playing catchup.

(I’m not as sanguine as you about the harmlessness of the NSA, either.)

108 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:05:33pm

re: #103 Gus

Just put on your bib overalls and a little hat= instamacho.

109 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:05:47pm

re: #105 Lidane

Rebranding!

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I see the GOP’s rebranding efforts are proceeding swimmingly.

110 darthstar  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:06:43pm

re: #108 Amory Blaine

Just put on your bib overalls and a little hat= instamacho.

111 Ryan King  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:07:10pm

re: #103 Gus

Alternate theory. Hume thinks we all see Christie as a bully because we’re all feminized and need to man up because Christie is not a bully. Or something.

We need to man up so we can accept the level of firm talking to that is otherwise not bullying except we’re a bunch of wimminy wussies so therefore it’s sorta bullying because we’re wussies.

Seems legit.

112 jaunte  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:07:15pm

re: #105 Lidane

Higgins of the IFI writes that it “hardly sounds unreasonable to fine adults $150 for trying to inculcate other people’s children with their subjective beliefs about sexual morality, but nothing angers homosexual activists quite like being denied access to the hearts and minds of other people’s minor children.”

Another collectible for connoisseurs of projection.

113 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:07:19pm

re: #103 Gus

Alternate theory. Hume thinks we all see Christie as a bully because we’re all feminized and need to man up because Christie is not a bully. Or something.

Chris Christie - the ideal man.

114 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:09:06pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Chris Christie - the ideal man.

A man’s man!

115 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:10:18pm

A lumberjack!

116 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:10:53pm

The old man’s man rule was stifling to even a man’s man.

117 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:11:27pm

re: #105 Lidane

Rebranding!

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Last line there:

Not everyone has repudiated Agema’s remarks, however. Former State Rep. Jack Hoogendyke called Agema “a prophet” on Dec. 18.

118 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:11:35pm

re: #107 Snarknado!

(I’m not as sanguine as you about the harmlessness of the NSA, either.)

Pretty sure I never said the NSA was harmless, or implied there was no reason to be concerned about their activities. Absolutely, powers like this need to be carefully monitored and guarded, and oversight is vital. And whatever we can do to improve that, I definitely will support.

But that argument (“imagine if Chris Christie had the NSA”) is a prime example of the kind of absurd overheated false analogizing and fear-mongering I definitely don’t support.

119 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:12:51pm

I wonder if Christie was flying around in his helicopter during the whole GWB fiasco.

120 jaunte  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:14:20pm

re: #119 Amory Blaine

“I’m not going to apologize for taking the fastest transportation to do business for the People of New Jersey!”
/Christie font

121 Mattand  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:14:59pm

re: #119 Amory Blaine

I wonder if Christie was flying around in his helicopter during the whole GWB fiasco.

I always felt bad for his son in that episode.

You’re trying to play baseball with your schoolmates and suddenly a helicopter lands, your dad pops out, and is then driven the 100 yards or whatever in a limo.

I’m sure the kid got some grief in school the next day over that.

122 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:15:21pm

The digby argument is very similar to Conor Friedersdorf’s ludicrous “just asking questions” article speculating that President Obama used the NSA to dig up dirt on Mitt Romney.

123 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:15:33pm

HURR HURR DERP DERP

124 Mattand  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:16:26pm

re: #123 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR DERP DERP

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I had a couple of people on my Facebook feed who were that far gone. I’m so glad I weeded them out.

125 jaunte  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:17:40pm

re: #123 Pie-onist Overlord

“The flag should never be used for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything ”
usa-flag-site.org

126 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:17:58pm

THEIR IS ONLY TEH SECOND AMENDMENT!!!!1111!! TEH FIRST, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH, 6TH, 7TH, 8TH 9TH & 10TH WHAT ARE THOSE??? WITHOUT TEH GUNZ, THEIR IS NOTHINGS!!!!!!1!!!!!!

127 Snarknado!  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:22:11pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Pretty sure I never said the NSA was harmless, or implied there was no reason to be concerned about their activities. Absolutely, powers like this need to be carefully monitored and guarded, and oversight is vital. And whatever we can do to improve that, I definitely will support.

But that argument (“imagine if Chris Christie had the NSA”) is a prime example of the kind of absurd overheated false analogizing and fear-mongering I definitely don’t support.

Okay, I shouldn’t have said harmless. But it’s clear that I worry more about it than you do….

And I don’t keep up with — or use — twitter, so I may be missing something in the discussion, but when I saw that, I started thinking about possible unexpected uses of the NSA. I wouldn’t have thought that the NJ governor’s office could close down the GW bridge for four days either (four hours, maybe).

(ONLY for the sake of the argument, I’m pretending that I think the NJ governor had nothing to do with what his office did.)

128 Ryan King  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:22:48pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

example of the kind of absurd overheated false analogizing and fear-mongering I definitely don’t support.

Why do you hate journalism?

129 Ryan King  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:23:37pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

The digby argument is very similar to Conor Friedersdorf’s ludicrous “just asking questions” article speculating that President Obama used the NSA to dig up dirt on Mitt Romney.

The worst dirt on Romney came from his own mouth.

130 palomino  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:26:01pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

There’s a huge difference between being a “guy’s guy” and being a pompous prick who belittles people in public. The guy’s guy thing was cool back in the day; but screaming, loud, combative attitude in public towards opponents was never really cool, and certainly not the way that modern presidents have gotten themselves elected.

131 palomino  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:26:31pm

I know some Republicans are disappointed that their Great “Moderate” Hope for the next election has now, at the very least, lost his golden boy shine. But is it really that much of a stretch that a guy we already knew was loud, confrontational and dismissive might also be a petty vindictive dick?

132 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:28:39pm

HURR HURR DERP DERP

133 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:30:59pm

If guns are a right shouldn’t they be free?

134 palomino  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:31:53pm

re: #123 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR DERP DERP

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Last time I checked, these guys weren’t part of any “well regulated militia.”

An American flag with a military rifle and dozens of rounds of scattered ammo surrounding it. Sadly, to many people, this is the best America has to offer. Forget civil rights, equality under the law, free speech religion press. America’s most important value is GUNS. Pretty twisted, huh?

135 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:32:30pm

I’m hungry. I blame the feminized atmosphere. //

136 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:33:25pm

re: #135 Gus

Have a corn dog you sexy beast.

137 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:36:08pm

re: #133 Amory Blaine

If guns are a right shouldn’t they be free?

138 palomino  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:36:08pm

re: #135 Gus

I’m hungry. I blame the feminized atmosphere. //

Yeah, bitches just be eating all the time, making men fat and fucking things up./////

Saw a woman yesterday with a cheeseburger, so I immediately had to stop car and eat cheeseburger. That never used to happen before all the femininity got into the air and water.

139 nines09  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:36:53pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Dos he build more model airplanes than before in an airless room? With extra glue? It’s like an idiot Highlander Series. There can only be one more stupid than all the rest and they have not found the one yet. Close. Very close. Give Fox time.

140 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:37:36pm

re: #138 palomino

Yeah, bitches just be eating all the time, making men fat and fucking things up./////

Saw a woman yesterday with a cheeseburger, so I immediately had to stop car and eat cheeseburger. That never used to happen before all the femininity got into the air and water.

I’m getting older so my estrogen levels are rising. //

141 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:40:53pm

Coffee break’s over, back on your heads!

142 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:41:57pm

And if I’m nice to a woman, say anything that isn’t ‘woman-bashing’, or treat any member of the female persuasion as a human being, it’s only because I’m doing it to get laid. Who’d a thunk it?

RBS

143 simoom  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:49:09pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson


Yup.

From Greenwald’s cryptome e-mail Q&A pdf:

(8) For me, “activism” is about effects and outcomes. Successful activism means successful outcomes, and that in turn takes resources. It’s very easy to maintain a perception of purity by remaining resource-starved and thus unable to really challenge large institutions in a comprehensive and sustained way. I know there are some people on the left who are so suspicious of anyone who is called “billionaire” that they think you’re fully and instantly guilty by virtue of any association with such a person.

That’s fine: there’s no arguing against that view, though I would hope they’d apply it consistently to everyone who takes funding from very rich people or who works with media outlets and organizations funded by rich people - including their friends and other journalists and groups they admire (or even themselves).

But I view it differently: I see resources as a thing needed to be exploited for a successful outcome, to effectively vindicate the political and journalistic values I believe in. And I’ve seen - particularly over the last six months - how vital serious resources are to doing something like this aggressively and without fear, and not allowing institutional constraints to impede what you want to do. At the end of the day, the choice we’re making is to make our form of journalism as potent and effective as it can be.

“Journalism” for Greenwald is all just a means to an end. The hundreds of thousands of stolen documents just a resource to be exploited in pursuit of that end.

144 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:49:32pm
145 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:54:31pm

re: #144 Gus

There was a real dive I used to live by that was a bar for like a hundred years that shut down then reopened as a “club”. Somewhat remodelled with high priced drinks. I remember going to the opening party and thinking to myself, “Yep. This is where Dirty George used to piss himself”. So fancy.

146 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:56:03pm

re: #132 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR DERP DERP

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and, according to most state and local laws, cannot receive sexu education in a public school, period.

147 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:57:23pm

re: #144 Gus

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The gentrification of food. It was a twitter topic a couple of days ago, regarding soul food.

Hey, still going:


148 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:59:36pm

re: #147 wrenchwench

The gentrification of food. It was a twitter topic a couple of days ago, regarding soul food.

Hey, still going:

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I’ve turned it into “patriotic quotes.” :D

149 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:59:59pm

They used to give away soup bones.

150 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:01:03pm

Meta:

151 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:01:19pm

I have not even updated my blog in 3 weeks.

Must have MOAR PIE RECIPES.

152 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:02:19pm

I told all my kids that I want to take all these antique cookbooks that I have and convert the recipes for a modern kitchen and they’re all like WELL WHY DON’T YOU ALREADY?

153 GlutenFreeJesus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:02:28pm

Charles. On both my iPhone and iPad, I’m getting a blank pop-up with a small close x-box on the front page of LGF. Are you tweaking stuff? Heck. You’re always tweaking stuff. Anyone else getting this?

154 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:02:43pm

re: #147 wrenchwench

The gentrification of food. It was a twitter topic a couple of days ago, regarding soul food.

Hey, still going:

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Oxtails are expensive now. Which is funny, since they are good for stocks and stewing, but not a whole lot of meat on them. Sort of like lamb neckbones. Not much meat for the picking.

What I think is funny is when I see chicken wings going for more than boneless / skinless chicken breasts. It’s all about the supply and demand. Pork ribs were like that at one time too.

RBS

155 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:03:13pm

re: #151 Pie-onist Overlord

I have not even updated my blog in 3 weeks.

Must have MOAR PIE RECIPES.

You are the Pie Whizper.

RBS

156 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:06:17pm

HURR HURR REGISTRATION MEENZ CONFISKASHUN!!!!11!!!!

157 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:08:19pm

My daughter who lives in Israel, flew to California for my mom’s 90th birthday. Then she flew back to Detroit with me (different flights, but we landed at the same time just different terminals)

I told her Ariel Sharon passed away and she was all like “Didn’t he die years ago?”

158 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:10:01pm

re: #153 GlutenFreeJesus

Charles. On both my iPhone and iPad, I’m getting a blank pop-up with a small close x-box on the front page of LGF. Are you tweaking stuff? Heck. You’re always tweaking stuff. Anyone else getting this?

You need more gluten in your Jesus.

159 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:10:32pm

re: #151 Pie-onist Overlord

VB, don’t know if you saw this already, but I found your vehicle!

160 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:11:07pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

You need more gluten in your Jesus.

I don’t care if it rains or freezes…

161 GlutenFreeJesus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:11:23pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

You need more gluten in your Jesus.

No. The issue is more Jesus in my gluten!

162 Political Atheist  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:13:39pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

The way some dudebros put it you are exactly right. The troublesome part of the matter is the kind of thing the Church committee found so long ago. Those lessons still matter. I have a more reasonable scenario.

President Future Conservative unleashes the NSA via the FBI onto a renewed war on drugs by a rationale like cartels are as big a threat as terrorists.

Or we take another big hit and the public again demands the President Do Something. With a few congressional meetings and the stroke of a pen it’s there.

We have a history of over reacting to a threat, real or just perceived and once or twice flat out invented. Our rough history backs a more cautious approach.

163 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:14:02pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

VB, don’t know if you saw this already, but I found your vehicle!

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Can’t be, my pie is red!

I mean my car is red.

164 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:14:36pm

re: #163 Pie-onist Overlord

Can’t be, my pie is red!

I mean my car is red.

Obviously, your car is incognito…

165 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:14:41pm

HURR HURR

166 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:22:57pm

re: #165 Pie-onist Overlord

Good grief!

167 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:24:13pm

re: #165 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR

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Charles Schulz was a proud liberal, and he’d undoubtedly be spinning in his grave if he could read that nonsense.

168 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:28:00pm

I got this jar of coconut oil. It’s supposed to be the bee’s knees. Until a study determines that it’s the black death.

169 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:29:34pm

re: #123 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR DERP DERP

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If you feel the need for guns, it is.

170 Dave In Austin  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:29:47pm

DiscountStripper.com……..

If only they could see her now

171 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:30:05pm

re: #153 GlutenFreeJesus

Charles. On both my iPhone and iPad, I’m getting a blank pop-up with a small close x-box on the front page of LGF. Are you tweaking stuff? Heck. You’re always tweaking stuff. Anyone else getting this?

Oops, sorry about that, testing some new code. Fixed now.

172 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:41:23pm

re: #153 GlutenFreeJesus

Charles. On both my iPhone and iPad, I’m getting a blank pop-up with a small close x-box on the front page of LGF. Are you tweaking stuff? Heck. You’re always tweaking stuff. Anyone else getting this?

Yes.

173 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:43:16pm

re: #165 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR

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Schulz estate should sue.

174 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:43:39pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

Oops, sorry about that, testing some new code. Fixed now.

I don’t always test code, but when I do, I test it directly in production.

175 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:45:31pm

My city has shut down to watch the Chargers look like shitola.

176 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:46:42pm

re: #173 Stanley Sea

Schulz estate should sue.

Yeah. Pretty sure that’s copyrighted.

177 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:52:33pm

re: #176 Justanotherhuman

Yeah. Pretty sure that’s copyrighted.

As much as it sucks, they’re probably okay under fair use.

If they were to use “D-Nuts” multiple times, that would be a different story.

178 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:53:03pm

Gus, maybe you need one of these…

Android smartphone with unlimited Data

179 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:53:47pm

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

lol

180 Political Atheist  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 2:54:34pm

re: #107 Snarknado!

I agree with you. Too many examples in the past to ignore. Sure we are enjoying a time with a good man in office and increased oversight. What is missing (FBI and NSA and BTW our local PD’s) is any good reason to think this is a permanent condition.

Of course the dudebros make the point harder to make stick damn it. Alas, it is what it is. Reality wins.

181 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:00:27pm

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gus, maybe you need one of these…

Android smartphone with unlimited Data

Make it so!

182 Lidane  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:07:00pm

re: #156 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR REGISTRATION MEENZ CONFISKASHUN!!!!11!!!!

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183 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:08:18pm

re: #177 BongCrodny

As much as it sucks, they’re probably okay under fair use.

If they were to use “D-Nuts” multiple times, that would be a different story.

There’s nothing “fair” about RWNJs.

184 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:14:07pm

Guess the Golden Globes is going on.

I do love this dress.

185 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:15:35pm

I swear the cold has brought on some sort of sleeping sickness. Hubby and I can’t get enough naps—and he never takes naps —ever.

you?

186 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:16:31pm

re: #184 Stanley Sea

Guess the Golden Globes is going on.

I do love this dress.

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Holy zowie, I think I’m in love.

187 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:17:37pm

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

I swear the cold has brought on some sort of sleeping sickness. Hubby and I can’t get enough naps—and he never takes naps —ever.

you?

Football, LGF, twitter, taking down the tree.

I am almost done. Much more organized in my process this year I’ll actually have a left over bin.

So exciting!

188 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:18:40pm

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

I swear the cold has brought on some sort of sleeping sickness. Hubby and I can’t get enough naps—and he never takes naps —ever.

you?

I brought home some sort of nasty disease from my in-laws’. My wife got sick first, interestingly enough, but now my sinuses feel like they’re trying to drill out of my head with a jackhammer.

189 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:19:03pm

Y=74 N=0 TO AGREE TO CONFERENCE REPORT ON S. 2770, PROPOSED FEDERAL WATER POLLUTION CONTROL ACT AMENDMENTS OF 1972.

govtrack.us

190 Belafon  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:19:14pm

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

The last time I had a cold that made me take a lot of naps it turned out to be the flu.

191 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:21:33pm

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

I swear the cold has brought on some sort of sleeping sickness. Hubby and I can’t get enough naps—and he never takes naps —ever.

you?

Hmm. Could be cold and dark of winter. However, any chance that there’s something like carbon monoxide or another chemical building up due to rooms being sealed and furnace or heaters running a lot?

192 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:25:14pm

Passed the Senate. 74 to nothing.

193 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:26:03pm

TO AGREE TO THE CONFERENCE REPORT ON S. 2770, A BILL TO AMEND THE WATER POLLUTION CONTROL ACT.

govtrack.us

Passed the House 366 to 11. Only 9 Republicans voting against.

194 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:27:31pm

Wow. Look at the Texas vote. All Democrats just about but those were the old Texas Democrats.

195 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:32:04pm

re: #193 Gus

TO AGREE TO THE CONFERENCE REPORT ON S. 2770, A BILL TO AMEND THE WATER POLLUTION CONTROL ACT.

govtrack.us

Passed the House 366 to 11. Only 9 Republicans voting against.

Back in the day when important things weren’t turned into political footballs.

196 Political Atheist  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:35:18pm

re: #195 thedopefishlives

Back in the day when important things weren’t turned into political footballs.

QFT

197 erik_t  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:36:25pm

re: #195 thedopefishlives

Back in the day when important things weren’t turned into political footballs.

Except Arizona’s third district, because Arizona.

Never change, Arizona.

198 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:38:50pm

No one is going to out-do this boss.

Gabriel Sherman in Wide-Ranging Interview: Ailes ‘More Extreme Than Glenn Beck’

mediaite.com

“What I learned is that Roger Ailes has created a political operation that employs journalists,” he said. “It exists for two reasons: to generate as much profit as possible for its corporate parent, Rupert Murdoch, and to advance the personal, political agenda of its founder, Roger Ailes…The story is not Fox News, the story is Roger Ailes. The network is a complete expression of his worldview.”

199 erik_t  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:43:28pm

re: #198 Justanotherhuman

“What I learned is that Roger Ailes has created a political operation that employs journalists,” he said. “It exists for two reasons: to generate as much profit as possible for its corporate parent, Rupert Murdoch, and to advance the personal, political agenda of its founder, Roger Ailes…The story is not Fox News, the story is Roger Ailes. The network is a complete expression of his worldview.”

It will be interesting to see what happens to the corporate direction of Fox News when those two are no longer with us. Neither man is young.

200 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:43:54pm

Simple, understated, beautiful.

201 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:47:10pm

0-17

202 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:49:07pm

re: #201 Gus

0-17

I know, lol.

Soooooo quiet in the neighborhood.

203 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:53:39pm

re: #202 Stanley Sea

I know, lol.

Soooooo quiet in the neighborhood.

I don’t know if it’s the meds, the dinner, or the huge glass of water, but my head has suddenly stopped feeling in imminent danger of asploding. We shall see.

204 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:59:10pm

7

205 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:59:25pm

Cat has invaded mah mouse pad.

206 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:59:45pm

Umm, no. Does that make me an awful person?

207 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:59:45pm

RBS

208 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:03:07pm

re: #5 piratedan

he’s obviously been tainted since he’s worked in the Dark One’s administration…..

The Republican purity purges will continue unabated until they burn a liberal at the stake in the name of Jeebus, after they riddle him with AK-47’s with the 30 bullet clips. They’ll justify it by saying that they were an atheist who was coming to take their guns and relocate them to a UN refugee camp where they would be taught Sharia Law.

Peggy Noonan will then write a column indicating that it’s good to see patriots exercising their second amendment privileges and Andrew Sullivan will reference David Brooks lauding our social progress by stating that at least the liberal was shot humanely.

30 round clip.

209 prairiefire  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:04:09pm

re: #184 Stanley Sea

Guess the Golden Globes is going on.

I do love this dress.

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I love to watch the celebs get plastered.

210 prairiefire  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:07:09pm

re: #206 Justanotherhuman

Umm, no. Does that make me an awful person?

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The seamstress deserves an A for effort, for the fitting alone.

211 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:07:24pm

re: #206 Justanotherhuman

Umm, no. Does that make me an awful person?

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No, it doesn’t. But Lupita Nyong’o is more my style.

212 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:07:55pm

I’d rather watch professional bowling.

213 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:09:14pm

re: #212 Gus

I’d rather watch professional bowling.

Hey now, don’t knock it ‘till you’ve tried it.

214 erik_t  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:09:44pm

re: #206 Justanotherhuman

Umm, no. Does that make me an awful person?

Lena Dunham might be the only person on this Earth about whom I care as little as I do about the Patriarch of Hick Swamp Duck Squadron.

215 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:09:47pm

re: #206 Justanotherhuman

Umm, no. Does that make me an awful person?

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Nope. Lena Dunham looks decent enough and the dress isn’t a FAIL, but glamorous she’s not.

216 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:11:08pm

HURR HURR

217 erik_t  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:12:02pm

What my pimple thinks: OH MY GOD MY DAD’S FINGERS ARE GOING TO KILL ME.

Dumb people are dumb.

218 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:12:33pm

Target CEO defends 4-day wait to disclose massive data hack

cnbc.com

“Since Target’s original announcement that up to 40 million customer credit and debit card accounts had been hacked, critics have questioned why it took the retailer four days to come clean on the data breach.

“Now, for the first time since the security breach was announced on Dec. 19, Target Chairman and CEO Gregg Steinhafel is speaking out. While four days may seem like a long time for consumers to learn their sensitive account information was at risk, Steinhafel argued that it was lightning speed from Target’s perspective.

(snip)

“While Steinfhafel said the full extent of what transpired is not yet known, what Target does know is that malware was installed on the company’ point of sale registers. Target is working with law enforcement to try and determine who did it, and when and it was done. “

219 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:14:12pm

I know when I’m thinking about public policy I usually consult with television actors.

220 erik_t  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:15:03pm

re: #218 Justanotherhuman

“While Steinfhafel said the full extent of what transpired is not yet known, what Target does know is that malware was installed on the company’ point of sale registers. Target is working with law enforcement to try and determine who did it, and when and it was done. “

A very legitimate argument, to my eyes: if they had found in that time that it was possible to co-opt the hack without the perpetrators being aware, they might have been able to catch them and perhaps mitigate the damage.

221 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:19:31pm

HURR HURR

222 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:20:00pm

Mike Andy can haz MOAR DERP THEN PRUDENCE

223 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:20:15pm

So much for that reconciliation among Syrian rebels idea that was being floated last week…
Al Qaeda Syria unit executes dozens of rival Islamists: activists

224 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:21:44pm

re: #210 prairiefire

The seamstress deserves an A for effort, for the fitting alone.

boobs are wrong. just wrong.

225 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:24:35pm

re: #217 erik_t

What my pimple thinks: OH MY GOD MY DAD’S FINGERS ARE GOING TO KILL ME.

Dumb people are dumb.

Your pimple has thoughts? Dude, you need to get that looked at.

226 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:26:56pm

re: #225 thedopefishlives

Your pimple has thoughts? Dude, you need to get that looked at.

It’s not a pimple…..IT’S A MANITOU!!!

(sorry…..I was watching that stinker earlier this evening. Yeech - laughable waste of film stock).

imdb.com

227 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:28:06pm

Iran State media: Snowden Documents Proving “US-Alien-Hitler” Link Stun Russia

In Snowden’s own words, this report continues, he outlined to Greenwald the reason for his highly secretive group obtaining and releasing these documents by warning that that there “were actually two governments in the US, the one that was elected, and the other, secret regime, governing in the dark.”

As to who is running this “secret regime” Snowden and his cohorts were warning about, FSB experts in this report say, was confirmed this past weekend by former Canadian defense minister Paul Hellyer who was given access to all of Snowden’s documents by Russian intelligence services and stated they were, indeed, “accurate.”

Even though Defense Minister Hellyer’s exact statements to the FSB in regards to Snowden’s documents remain classified, shortly after his “extensive electronic interview” by the FSB he was allowed to appear on Russia Today’s program SophieCo this past fortnight where he shockingly admitted that aliens have “been visiting our planet for thousands of years” and described several types of these extraterrestrials, including “Tall Whites” who are working with the US Air Force in Nevada.

228 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:28:43pm

Rich, Corinthian leather.

229 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:29:14pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

Iran State media: Snowden Documents Proving “US-Alien-Hitler” Link Stun Russia

Awesome! :D

230 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:29:26pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

So much for that reconciliation among Syrian rebels idea that was being floated last week…
Al Qaeda Syria unit executes dozens of rival Islamists: activists

Al Qaeda Delenda Est meaning that Al Qaeda must be destroyed. Its affiliates cannot be reasoned with by decent people. It serves the cause of totalitarianism and is incapable of doing good.

I’m glad we didn’t end up intervening in Syria. I hate the idea of a now-probable Assad victory, but that’s a better outcome than one which left Al Qaeda as last man standing.

231 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:30:09pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

Iran State media: Snowden Documents Proving “US-Alien-Hitler” Link Stun Russia

lol, there’s also video of the Russia Today clip

232 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:30:19pm

re: #228 Gus

Rich, Corinthian leather.

KHAAAANN!!!

233 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:31:44pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

EPIC.

234 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:32:09pm

re: #233 thedopefishlives

EPIC.

Classic.

235 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:32:12pm
Snowden’s documents further confirm, this report says, the “Tall Whites” (Nordic) meetings in 1954 with US President Dwight D. Eisenhower where the “secret regime” currently ruling over America was established.

Most disturbingly, this FSB report warns, is that the “Tall White” agenda being implemented by the “secret regime” ruling the United States calls for the creation of a global electronic surveillance system meant to hide all true information about their presence here on earth as they enter into what one of Snowden’s documents calls the “final phase” of their end plan for total assimilation and world rule.

Unbeknownst to the FSB, this report confirms, are those still in the US government backing Snowden, but whose presence Russian intelligence experts note is “unmistakable” and shows a cataclysmic power struggle is currently underway against this “secret regime” now headed by Obama by “forces unknown.”

Most to be feared by Russian policy makers and authorities, this report concludes, is if those opposing the “Tall White” “secret regime” ruled over by Obama have themselves aligned with another alien-extraterrestrial power themselves.

Heh, Sounds a bit like Oliver Stone.

236 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:32:16pm

re: #206 Justanotherhuman

Umm, no. Does that make me an awful person?

[Embedded content]

Lena should fire her hairdresser.

237 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:32:17pm

Love this dress.

hahaha men of LGF

238 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:34:20pm

re: #115 Gus

A lumberjack!

My grandfather was a lumberjack and then a mechanic and he treated my grandmother with respect and care. He was not a macho man in any sense.

239 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:34:33pm

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

Al Qaeda Delenda Est meaning that Al Qaeda must be destroyed. Its affiliates cannot be reasoned with by decent people. It serves the cause of totalitarianism and is incapable of doing good.

I’m glad we didn’t end up intervening in Syria. I hate the idea of a now-probable Assad victory, but that’s a better outcome than one which left Al Qaeda as last man standing.

The “Good” rebels seemed way too few to be of any use. I can’t think of any good options in Syria but I’m sure someone out there has some good ideas.

240 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:34:47pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

Iran State media: Snowden Documents Proving “US-Alien-Hitler” Link Stun Russia

Even though Defense Minister Hellyer’s exact statements to the FSB in regards to Snowden’s documents remain classified, shortly after his “extensive electronic interview” by the FSB he was allowed to appear on Russia Today’s program SophieCo this past fortnight where he shockingly admitted that aliens have “been visiting our planet for thousands of years” and described several types of these extraterrestrials, including “Tall Whites” who are working with the US Air Force in Nevada.

/

What a load. Everyone knows the Tall Whites are at Wright-Pat AFB in Ohio. It’s the Little Greens who rule the roost in Nevada. As often documented here at LGF, the famous Lizardoids operate out of Denver.

241 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:35:37pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

Iran State media: Snowden Documents Proving “US-Alien-Hitler” Link Stun Russia

I see some of the writers from the “Weekly World News” have found a new gig.

Good for them.

*facepalm*

242 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:37:58pm

Back on the Gates book thing. Some of the stuff I’ve watched and heard since the excerpts came out make me wonder if folks even read those very excerpts, let alone not knowing anything about the book.

It’s almost like the telephone game. One person says they were not really all that positive for the president based on a few small quotes they saw released. By the time the conversations got around all the media in a cycle, Gates had written a book that was full of dirt against Obama and Obama was the worst President militarily ever! Benghazi!!!

Freaking media anymore doesn’t need facts. All they need are colorful hints of innuendo to titillate…run it!

243 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:42:46pm

re: #214 erik_t

Lena Dunham might be the only person on this Earth about whom I care as little as I do about the Patriarch of Hick Swamp Duck Squadron.

But if you aren’t into her, or her show, she will say that it’s your problem, and to me, that comes rather close to bullying to make you see her point. It’s sort of like, hit me over the head with a hammer so I’ll want to watch.

However I don’t see ignoring her as a problem at all. I have never seen that show, and don’t particularly want to if a 27 yr old is going to be going around naked a lot of the time, as I have heard. Why would I want to see that? Is it part of the story line or something? Nothing wrong with nudity, but it’s rather impractical if you’re going to be going out anywhere. If it’s just going to be used for purposes of angst and/or voyeurism, or just plain “showing off”, forget about it. I mean, it’s not like I really want to get intimate with her or anything. Maybe if she left something to the imagination and there was a little more respect for the audience, instead of just attitude…

244 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:46:01pm

re: #242 ObserverArt

Back on the Gates book thing. Some of the stuff I’ve watched and heard since the excerpts came out make me wonder if folks even read those very excerpts, let alone not knowing anything about the book.

It’s almost like the telephone game. One person says they were not really all that positive for the president based on a few small quotes they saw released. By the time the conversations got around all the media in a cycle, Gates had written a book that was full of dirt against Obama and Obama was the worst President militarily ever! Benghazi!!!

Freaking media anymore doesn’t need facts. All they need are colorful hints of innuendo to titillate…run it!

I think the whole thing is a great example of the overly politicized point that Gates made. Those last week who were outraged about the Gates quotes criticizing Obama labeled Gates a wingnut, a traitor, a criminal (because of Iran Contra) and claimed he had no credibility at all. Today, upon learning that the quotes were out of context (or a least there’s more to the story), the same people hail him as a hero and patriot because the quotes now fit the political agenda.
Nothing has changed. Gates is still himself, his opinions haven’t changed, he’s still the same person but he becomes a new hero to some and a new villain to others but nothing in reality has actually changed. Very few people will actually read his book or care what he says unless it furthers their agenda.

245 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:50:40pm

Duckhead in your face fail from gun nut site:


Er, what about cops and soldiers, you damn hippie?

“Hippies………dirty hippies.”

Back in the 60s the beardos were often accused of being in league with the Kremlin. At least that hasn’t changed.

246 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:52:14pm

re: #243 Justanotherhuman

But if you aren’t into her, or her show, she will say that it’s your problem, and to me, that comes rather close to bullying to make you see her point. It’s sort of like, hit me over the head with a hammer so I’ll want to watch.

However I don’t see ignoring her as a problem at all. I have never seen that show, and don’t particularly want to if a 27 yr old is going to be going around naked a lot of the time, as I have heard. Why would I want to see that? Is it part of the story line or something? Nothing wrong with nudity, but it’s rather impractical if you’re going to be going out anywhere. If it’s just going to be used for purposes of angst and/or voyeurism, or just plain “showing off”, forget about it. I mean, it’s not like I really want to get intimate with her or anything. Maybe if she left something to the imagination and there was a little more respect for the audience, instead of just attitude…

You and me don’t get to have our own shows on HBO or A&E, so therefore we are not “special” like Lena Dunham and Phil Robertson. They are MOAR SPESHUL THEN US and if you criticize them or don’t like their shows THEN UR JEALOUS!!!11!!!! CAUSE THEY GOT A SHOW & U DIDN’T.

I mean, how do any of us “non specials” even GET A SHOW. It’s not like we competed against Phil & Lena and they got MOAR VOTES than “The Pie Show” or “Humanist Overlord”

247 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:53:27pm

The right wing is about to collapse into an infinitely dense singularity of derp.

248 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:53:48pm

re: #247 Shiplord Kirel

The right wing is about to collapse into an infinitely dense singularity of derp.

About to?

249 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:56:03pm

re: #248 b_sharp

About to?

The process is still incomplete, since our instruments can still detect high energy derp particles (“super turds”) escaping into space on a regular basis.

250 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:56:23pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

I think the whole thing is a great example of the overly politicized point that Gates made. Those last week who were outraged about the Gates quotes criticizing Obama labeled Gates a wingnut, a traitor, a criminal (because of Iran Contra) and claimed he had no credibility at all. Today, upon learning that the quotes were out of context (or a least there’s more to the story), the same people hail him as a hero and patriot because the quotes now fit the political agenda.
Nothing has changed. Gates is still himself, his opinions haven’t changed, he’s still the same person but he becomes a new hero to some and a new villain to others but nothing in reality has actually changed. Very few people will actually read his book or care what he says unless it furthers their agenda.

And the ones that were praising him now call him a RINO and much worse. Fewer and fewer sources provide in-depth nuanced coverage and analysis (on a mass media basis) and the pressure is to be the first one out with ‘analysis’ which usually consists of the house pundits simply repeating their talking points de jure.

As much as it pains me, I’ve been guilty of believing the first thing I heard that confirmed my own beliefs, and didn’t demand the degree of intellectual honesty in myself that I criticize others for.

On the plus side, I did a different way of doing some backribs, and like the results. comes clean from the bone, meat still has some ‘chew’ to it, and not mushy at all. Cook wrapped in foil for 2 hours, 1 hour foil opened up, (300 deg), then about 10-15 minutes at 450 to glaze them up.

RBS

251 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:57:34pm

Manning vs. Brady.

252 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:00:00pm

re: #251 Gus

Manning vs. Brady.

That’s for the NABF Interim Jr. Middleweight Intercontental Title?

[innocent whistle]

RBS

253 calochortus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:01:57pm

re: #250 RealityBasedSteve

And the ones that were praising him now call him a RINO and much worse. Fewer and fewer sources provide in-depth nuanced coverage and analysis (on a mass media basis) and the pressure is to be the first one out with ‘analysis’ which usually consists of the house pundits simply repeating their talking points de jure.

As much as it pains me, I’ve been guilty of believing the first thing I heard that confirmed my own beliefs, and didn’t demand the degree of intellectual honesty in myself that I criticize others for.

RBS

I believe you have just identified yourself as a human being. The good news is that you recognize confirmation bias and try to filter that out.

254 darthstar  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:03:49pm

re: #251 Gus

Manning vs. Brady.

Sounds like a bad porn movie.

255 Gus  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:06:36pm

re: #254 darthstar

Sounds like a bad porn movie.

Brady again. How exciting! //

256 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:08:21pm

You can now drag and drop up to five images at once into the comment posting box for uploading. When it’s finished uploading all of them it steps through each one and lets you add a caption, tweet it, insert the code into the comment, or cancel. When the comment is posted, the multiple images are all automagically turned into a slideshow when you click on any of them.

Moon

Clouds

Water

257 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:12:50pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

That is great. Thank you Charles. :)

258 sagehen  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:13:27pm

re: #243 Justanotherhuman

However I don’t see ignoring her as a problem at all. I have never seen that show, and don’t particularly want to if a 27 yr old is going to be going around naked a lot of the time, as I have heard. Why would I want to see that? Is it part of the story line or something?

Yes it’s part of the story line… there’s a lot of sex, and the dialogue in the sex scenes is well-written enough that those scenes aren’t “only” about sex… and apparently it’s feminist and empowering and some fancy academic word I can’t remember that shlubby-looking overweight people with bad haircuts and bad makeup (and ugly clothes when they’re dressed) should be totally comfortable with their bodies and confident and secure and have satisfying sex lives. Or something. (even while everything else about their lives is anything but satisfying. And her boyfriend’s kind of an asshole, so the sex is the only good thing about the relationship. There aren’t any nice people in this show. That’s what makes it funny. Like the Seinfeld people, but younger and less attractive.)

259 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:14:06pm

re: #250 RealityBasedSteve

It happens to all of us. This is how the press manipulates the public, they do it because we fall for it most of the time. Salacious headlines of a few scandalous soundbites to generate partisan traffic about discord in the White House, now they switch to “gates loves Obama” to generate more partisan traffic. They manufactured a lot news and headlines out of the Gates book and hardly noticed any of the interesting content about how the White House functions or what’s really going on in the world.

260 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:14:41pm

261 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:15:51pm

Nice image posting set up Charles.

262 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:20:27pm

re: #258 sagehen

Yes it’s part of the story line… there’s a lot of sex, and the dialogue in the sex scenes is well-written enough that those scenes aren’t “only” about sex… and apparently it’s feminist and empowering and some fancy academic word I can’t remember that shlubby-looking overweight people with bad haircuts and bad makeup (and ugly clothes when they’re dressed) should be totally comfortable with their bodies and confident and secure and have satisfying sex lives. Or something. (even while everything else about their lives is anything but satisfying. And her boyfriend’s kind of an asshole, so the sex is the only good thing about the relationship. There aren’t any nice people in this show. That’s what makes it funny. Like the Seinfeld people, but younger and less attractive.)

Just a bunch of entitled, privileged, white, narcissistic, self-absorbed millennials.

Nothing that I can relate to.

263 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:21:10pm

re: #258 sagehen

Yes it’s part of the story line… there’s a lot of sex, and the dialogue in the sex scenes is well-written enough that those scenes aren’t “only” about sex… and apparently it’s feminist and empowering and some fancy academic word I can’t remember that shlubby-looking overweight people with bad haircuts and bad makeup (and ugly clothes when they’re dressed) should be totally comfortable with their bodies and confident and secure and have satisfying sex lives. Or something. (even while everything else about their lives is anything but satisfying. And her boyfriend’s kind of an asshole, so the sex is the only good thing about the relationship. There aren’t any nice people in this show. That’s what makes it funny. Like the Seinfeld people, but younger and less attractive.)

Exactly. Gracias.

264 prairiefire  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:25:20pm

Oh, I kind of like to see what the kids are up to now adays.

265 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:25:52pm

re: #255 Gus

Brady again. How exciting! //

If you guys don’t want Brady in there, FIND SOME DAMN WAY TO KEEP HIM OUT.

266 Uncle Obdicut  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:28:36pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

It happens to all of us. This is how the press manipulates the public, they do it because we fall for it most of the time. Salacious headlines of a few scandalous soundbites to generate partisan traffic about discord in the White House, now they switch to “gates loves Obama” to generate more partisan traffic. They manufactured a lot news and headlines out of the Gates book and hardly noticed any of the interesting content about how the White House functions or what’s really going on in the world.

And when someone tries to get beyond that—like Rachel Maddow, doing actual in-depth reporting and often demystifying things and showing a reasonable take, they get derided by contrarian morons who need to believe in a ‘truth lies somewhere in the middle’ philosophy for a variety of idiotic reasons. There are some people for whom anyone displaying an honest partisan affiliation are somehow automatically just shills. Black and white thinking used to criticize supposed black and white thinking, without a hint of irony.

267 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:28:56pm

re: #264 prairiefire

Oh, I kind of like to see what the kids are up to now adays.

Without the censorship we grew up with. These shows (I’m totally into Shameless on Showtime) are more to the truth than we’ve ever seen on the small screen.

268 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:32:12pm

re: #263 Stanley Sea

There is another option. Downton Abbey. Check your local PBS listings. It is much better than watching a bunch of “shlubby-looking overweight people.” Keep in mind that Julian Fellowes writes very well and Maggie Smith delivers her “zingers” with style.

269 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:33:43pm

OK, what’s the agenda here? Why is this group almost duplicating the task force assigned by the WH to study the issue of meta data collection?

NSA phone record collection does little to prevent terrorist attacks, group says

washingtonpost.com

The “New America Foundation”, which did the “study” was founded by anointed dudebro, Ted Halstead. Ted Who?

newamerica.net

270 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:33:44pm

re: #91 RealityBasedSteve

Exactly. A real leader should seek out and give weight to dissenting opinions and thoughts when forming a policy. To do otherwise is to live in an echo chamber. It was my understanding that was part of Obama’s leadership style, decision making practice.

RBS

There is a term for a leader surrounded by yes men and the horrible results that emanate from them: incestuous amplification.

271 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:38:37pm

re: #258 sagehen

Yes it’s part of the story line… there’s a lot of sex, and the dialogue in the sex scenes is well-written enough that those scenes aren’t “only” about sex… and apparently it’s feminist and empowering and some fancy academic word I can’t remember that shlubby-looking overweight people with bad haircuts and bad makeup (and ugly clothes when they’re dressed) should be totally comfortable with their bodies and confident and secure and have satisfying sex lives. Or something. (even while everything else about their lives is anything but satisfying. And her boyfriend’s kind of an asshole, so the sex is the only good thing about the relationship. There aren’t any nice people in this show. That’s what makes it funny. Like the Seinfeld people, but younger and less attractive.)

OK, if I want to observe The Millennial in his or her natural habitat, I have 2 grandchildren that I can get some insight from, I suppose.

I know both have had, and continue to have, sex, because they each have a child to prove it. I don’t need to watch them in the act or running around naked either, thanks. So why would I want to watch it on TV?

272 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:42:54pm

re: #191 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. Could be cold and dark of winter. However, any chance that there’s something like carbon monoxide or another chemical building up due to rooms being sealed and furnace or heaters running a lot?

good thoughts, we have a carbon monoxide detector and the doors are open often enough because of the dogs, we have a weird heating system —runs off the hot water heater. Nothing seems out of the ordinary.

273 Chrysicat  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:43:47pm

re: #5 piratedan

First off, I see that DF spanked you with the diff between a clip and a magazine…good thing, because I would have overlooked it.

Second, they’d never use a Soviet-designed weapon like a Kalashnikov, would they? I realize that the right is perhaps on better terms with Russia than with the rest of the US right now, but I’m pretty sure they’d still want to be thought of as ‘All-American’, so it almost has to be an M-16 or an M-4 Carbine they’re using to riddle their enemies with bullets, dunnit? :-P

274 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:44:53pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

You can now drag and drop up to five images at once into the comment posting box for uploading. When it’s finished uploading all of them it steps through each one and lets you add a caption, tweet it, insert the code into the comment, or cancel. When the comment is posted, the multiple images are all automagically turned into a slideshow when you click on any of them.

Moon

Clouds

Water

Thank you! I can’t keep up.

275 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:46:26pm

Very Kewl Kitteh Family

276 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 6:02:56pm

re: #274 FemNaziBitch

Thank you! I can’t keep up.

That’s what he said.

277 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 6:15:58pm

re: #275 FemNaziBitch

Very Kewl Kitteh Family

Those are big kittehs!

Lions will always be a prominent feature on Zooborns. The cubs look cute and the antics fun, the adults are photogenic, and lions are the felines where the male plays a role in protecting and raising the young.

278 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 7:14:07pm

Paul Ryan:

Members of the military don’t “contribute toward their pension.”

Politifact: True

Holy fuck.

279 Lancelot Link  Sun, Jan 12, 2014 7:19:39pm

re: #278 Amory Blaine

Some members of the military give their lives for their country.
Isn’t that contribution enough for Ryan?


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