1 | EmmaAnne Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:10:01am |
I hope he reminds the American people why we give the NSA these powers - that they aren’t just nosing around in our personal business. Some additional oversight would be great, but we really do need some monitoring of terrorists and so on.
2 | erik_t Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:11:48am |
Greenwald wants to know why President Snowjob isn’t delivering these remarks.
4 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:13:35am |
Who could ever have predicted that the libertarian angst crowd would already be dissing Obama before he even speaks?— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 17, 2014
5 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:15:29am |
HURR HURR!!!11!!!
RT @RyanLizza: Programing note: nothing you're about to hear would have happened absent Edward Snowden's actions.— Trevor Timm (@trevortimm) January 17, 2014
6 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:16:32am |
JUST PUBLISHED: Obama's full policy directive for NSA http://t.co/kr9g9IFB1w pic.twitter.com/GcXHjqPQwK— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) January 17, 2014
7 | gwangung Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:17:27am |
re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord
HURR HURR!!!11!!!
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Honestly, any increase in security at Target wouldn’t have happened without the hacking.
9 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:19:13am |
re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Also assumes that the Administration wouldn’t have wanted to go in this direction eventually.
10 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:19:15am |
HURR HURR!!!!1!!!!1!!
When you hear pundits & politicians insist NSA metadata programs make us safe, the actual evidence says the opposite: http://t.co/GoA8yJRdza— David Sirota (@davidsirota) January 17, 2014
11 | Gus Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:20:48am |
Bryan Fischer is watching this while having a gay fantasy. //
12 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:25:20am |
HURR HURR DON’T CALL ME WHITE PRIVILEGED U HURT MY FEELINGS!!!!11!!!!
Yes, because I never write about poverty, inequality, racial privilege or the environment. Awesome point: http://t.co/B6m8PMiNcv— David Sirota (@davidsirota) January 17, 2014
13 | Targetpractice Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:27:42am |
So, should I be surprised when the dudebros and wingnuts join together to scream that no matter what he puts forth, it still won’t be “enough”?
14 | Targetpractice Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:28:58am |
Glenn Greenwald calls Obama's NSA speech a publicity stunt: http://t.co/v1feLczGwT— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) January 17, 2014
15 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:29:03am |
“no no obama, nsa wants access to my personal phone calls” - the absolutist murmured to himself— Oliver Willis (@owillis) January 17, 2014
17 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:31:05am |
The more I think of Greenwald and Snowden, the more I think the amalgamation of both resembles Jar Jar Binks.
They think they are doing the right thing, but in the end, they make things so much worse for everyone.
18 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:32:17am |
Yeah, sure! The libertarian angst crowd is upset that Obama isn't calling Snowden a hero. smh http://t.co/bEprWE0kvA— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 17, 2014
19 | piratedan Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:35:12am |
re: #14 Targetpractice
well he would know, being the expert….
Really GG? You think the Prez is only a one trick pony like yourself…
Cripes, will someone send that guy a Carly Simon CD so he can listen to “You’re So Vain” on an endless loop in the shower.
20 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:35:13am |
Seriously. Sometimes it seems like libertarian journalists have grown up in a bubble, totally isolated from the real world.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 17, 2014
22 | Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:37:14am |
The Syrian propaganda machine is working overtime. The viral pic from yesterday looks like is was fauxtography.
Saudi photographer tells me: This is not Syria, its not a grave and the boys parents are not dead
24 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:38:05am |
Praise for the intelligence community, but none for Greensnow & Co.
“I’m not going to dwell on Mr. Snowden’s actions or his motivations.”
26 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:40:02am |
Glenn Greenwald doesn't even pretend to hide his contempt and hatred for Obama any more.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 17, 2014
27 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:40:22am |
Notice that Greenwald has gone silent on Twitter. That's because he's currently writing a 10,000-word screed bashing Obama's reform ideas.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 17, 2014
28 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:40:23am |
HURR HURR!!!11!!1
Doesn't seem like these reforms include a pardon for the person most responsible for bringing them about.— Eli Clifton (@EliClifton) January 17, 2014
29 | RealityBasedSteve Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:40:24am |
Gee, a complex problem requires a complex and nuanced solution. You mean that you can’t just “SHUT IT ALL DOWN???”. My predictions, RWNJs will start with “Another executive directive, he’s a dictator” and “See, he played the race card again”.
There are real threats in the world, and there needs to be an effective and ongoing collection of data. The problem is that you can’t “target” without widespread collection to first identify patterns.
As for me, I’m not uncomfortable with what I understand to be going on.
RBS
30 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:41:23am |
Seems like the only people Pres Obama hasn’t listened to are Greensnow & Co.
I like that. Smart man.
31 | EmmaAnne Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:42:22am |
Telephone records do not include content of conversations or people making the calls.
Metadata to be queried when a threat is discerned.
32 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:44:15am |
Currently watching @BarackObama's #NSA address. For my reaction, tune in to @CNN immediately following his speech. pic.twitter.com/7vFETTeAXl— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) January 17, 2014
33 | RealityBasedSteve Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:44:37am |
What they are doing is nothing more than basic Signal Intelligence. Finding patterns, connections. The military stared doing this about 20 minutes after they started using radios. Even without knowing the contents of a message, the very patterns, volume, timing of messages can indicate important information.
RBS
34 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:44:37am |
What?! Obama isn't shutting down the NSA and giving Snowden the Medal of Honor? TYRANNY!— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 17, 2014
35 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:45:07am |
“Crude characterizations that have emerged” over the last several months.
I like that because it is so correct.
36 | Bulworth Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:46:03am |
[dudebro]Snowden is the greatest because he made Obama reform NSA surveillance except Obama’s NSA reforms really suck and don’t change anything we still have no privacy[ dudebro]
37 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:46:06am |
“$5 charge for whining”
So how much does Rand owe?
38 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:46:38am |
re: #32 Pie-onist Overlord
How much does RP owe for whining, I wonder?
Woops! Didn’t see your, VB. : )
39 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:47:16am |
re: #32 Pie-onist Overlord
Wait, Rand hasn’t solved the national debt yet with his incessant whining? and Whirred P[l]eas?
40 | RealityBasedSteve Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:47:18am |
re: #32 Pie-onist Overlord
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Where is he, sitting in the mechanical room for the building?
RBS
41 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:48:14am |
re: #40 RealityBasedSteve
Where is he, sitting in the mechanical room for the building?
RBS
He’s in his seekrit “Go Galt” bunker
42 | Bulworth Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:48:27am |
re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord
Which why Snowden is so awesome except these lame reforms don’t change anything at all and Obamo is just lying to us all again. //
43 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:48:36am |
re: #33 RealityBasedSteve
What they are doing is nothing more than basic Signal Intelligence. Finding patterns, connections. The military stared doing this about 20 minutes after they started using radios. Even without knowing the contents of a message, the very patterns, volume, timing of messages can indicate important information.
RBS
Starting with trying to intercept telegraph signals. Civil war. Before that, it was intercepting the couriers who transmitted the orders on parchment/papers. Now, it’s encrypted bits/bytes of data from phones, text messages, instant messages, emails, and more.
44 | EmmaAnne Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:48:37am |
I’m not seeing how the government doesn’t hold the records. Anyone else who holds them is even more difficult to oversight (oversee?)
45 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:48:41am |
“Privacy advocate” to be added to the FISC.
No, not you, Glenn.
46 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:49:22am |
re: #43 lawhawk
Starting with trying to intercept telegraph signals. Civil war. Before that, it was intercepting the couriers who transmitted the orders on parchment/papers. Now, it’s encrypted bits/bytes of data from phones, text messages, instant messages, emails, and more.
Technology.
How does it change over the years?
47 | EmmaAnne Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:51:12am |
Foreign surveillance only for national security purposes.
48 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:52:16am |
@Hesiod2k11 @MattMurph24 “We never would have been discussing medical experimentation in concentration camps if it weren't for Dr. Mengele.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 17, 2014
49 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:55:04am |
“We never would have been discussing bank security if it weren't for Bonnie and Clyde. We owe them our gratitude.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 17, 2014
50 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:55:06am |
WE SHOULDN’T PROSECUTE THE TARGET HACKERS BECAUSE THEIR THEFTS LED TO IMPROVEMENT IN RETAIL SECURITY!!!!11!!!
51 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:55:09am |
re: #48 Charles Johnson
Once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down, that’s not my Department - Dr. Werner von Braun.
Hey, without those pesky V-1 and V-2 rockets, we’d never have gone to the moon.
52 | RealityBasedSteve Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:55:31am |
re: #27 Charles Johnson
Notice that Greenwald has gone silent on Twitter. That’s because he’s currently writing a 10,000-word screed bashing Obama’s reform ideas.
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Broken into 140 character blocks and scheduled to be released every 10 seconds until people think he’s important.
RBS
53 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:56:18am |
We shouldn’t go after the 9/11 terrorists because their actions led to improved airline security and better engineering for construction of skyscrapers. /
54 | Gus Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:56:32am |
Reminder to my trolls; this is democracy in action. In Russia/China, you wouldn't see this. And the leaker would likely be killed.— Bradley P. Moss, Esq (@BradMossEsq) January 17, 2014
55 | EmmaAnne Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:57:06am |
We are held to a different standard. No one expects anything good from China or Russia.
56 | CuriousLurker Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:57:11am |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
The Syrian propaganda machine is working overtime. The viral pic from yesterday looks like is was fauxtography.
Saudi photographer tells me: This is not Syria, its not a grave and the boys parents are not dead
Someone misrepresenting a photographer’s artwork doesn’t make it “fauxtography” when there was clearly no intent to deceive by the photographer himself:
“I love photography,” he continues over the phone, “Every artist has ideas in his head. So I had the idea to make a project whereby I show in pictures how the love of a child for his parents is irreplaceable. This love cannot be substituted by anything or anybody else, even if the parents are dead.”
To finalize his art project, Abdul Aziz al Otaibi took his car and drove three weeks ago to the outskirts of Yanbu, 250 kilometers away from Jeddah. Here he build from stones two graves. He asked the young son of his sister to lay in between the graves and cover himself with a blanket. “Of course I would never ever put a child between two real graves,” he says, “I would be very much against that.”
57 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:57:47am |
Worse than the NSA monitoring my social media is when they Favorite instead of RTing.— Andisheh Nouraee (@andishehnouraee) January 17, 2014
58 | Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:59:40am |
re: #56 CuriousLurker
Someone misrepresenting a photographer’s artwork doesn’t make it “fauxtography” when there was clearly no intent to deceive by the photographer himself:
Yes, the artist is completely open about the photoshoot.
59 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:59:56am |
HURR HURR!!!!1!!111
Why is Obama now lecturing US on how we're not Russia or China? Dude, it's YOUR NSA.— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) January 17, 2014
60 | Internet Tough Guy Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:01:56am |
re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord
Congress and the Bush administration had absolutely nothing to do with it; nope.
61 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:03:49am |
Peak Wingbro/Dudenut is achieved when David Sirota and Ben Shapiro are Tweeting the exact same thing.
62 | Varek Raith Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:03:55am |
re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord
HURR HURR!!!!1!!111
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And what the NSA does pales in comparison to those two countries security services.
63 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:04:29am |
“If you like your privacy you can keep it…”: http://t.co/87XtZGoZvt— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) January 17, 2014
64 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:05:12am |
Greenwald is going to feel compelled to retaliate for this speech.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 17, 2014
65 | Mike Lamb Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:05:22am |
re: #55 EmmaAnne
We are held to a different standard. No one expects anything good from China or Russia.
Except that GG, et al. have been acting throughout this entire ordeal as if Russia/China are some type of bastion of free speech/press.
66 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:05:28am |
Speech over. Now the professional libertarians will tell us all how incredibly horrible it was.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 17, 2014
68 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:06:20am |
Sen. Paul hates the speech. Glenn Greenwald hates the speech. Winner: everyone else. #NSA— Tom Nichols (@TheWarRoom_Tom) January 17, 2014
69 | Gus Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:06:56am |
70 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:07:19am |
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That was a stupid Tweet and not funny.
71 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:08:16am |
re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord
HURR HURR!!!!1!!111
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Wow, I thought it was our govt. Democratic Republic, and all that.
72 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:08:48am |
@Rossputin @janinegibson The communists are coming! They're under your bed.— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 17, 2014
73 | GlutenFreeJesus Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:11:53am |
74 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:11:55am |
And part of the whole issue is the changing technology. “Big Data” just wasn’t going to happen 15-20 years ago. Not enough storage and processing power to hold and then analyze the data in exchange for the relatively low return on investment compared to other tasks. Not to mention the explosion in social media and communications that supplies so much more types of data to be potentially looked at.
75 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:12:21am |
76 | Romantic Heretic Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:12:45am |
re: #40 RealityBasedSteve
Where is he, sitting in the mechanical room for the building?
RBS
Because machines do what they are told, and never, ever talk back. So he’s comfortable there. No complicated human interaction.
77 | Gus Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:12:47am |
So let's imprison for decades he who enabled it RT @janinegibson Obama: “One thing I am certain of, this debate will make us stronger.”— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 17, 2014
78 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:13:19am |
“We never would have been discussing the need for hygiene if it weren't for the Black Plague. We owe the plague a debt of gratitude.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 17, 2014
79 | GlutenFreeJesus Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:14:14am |
I love the irony of all the dudebros who cry about privacy via Facebook and Twitter.
80 | Backwoods_Sleuth Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:14:16am |
re: #75 Feline Fearless Leader
Is Derp Hominy a special kind of dish?
Only if you add a lot of stinky cheese…
81 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:14:51am |
Chris Hayes, in the context of trying to protect his paycheck, trying to make a case for dumping the NSA on MSNBC.
Also trying to say the politics of Pres Obama’s speech was to “assuage” the fears of the NSA about stripping it of effectiveness.
83 | Mike Lamb Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:17:12am |
re: #72 Charles Johnson
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So the NSA is in fact “under your bed” and everyone should be frightened? Having legitimate national security concerns over what China and Russia might do with this sensitive information is worthy of derision?
Perfect example of GG’s agenda.
84 | erik_t Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:17:36am |
I am perfectly willing to pardon Snowjob for revealing what the NSA does domestically.
I am still throwing his ass in prison for dumping millions of documents, many of them about our international activities, on the Chinese and Russians.
Will any dudebros take me up on this very reasonable compromise position?
85 | RealityBasedSteve Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:17:44am |
re: #76 Romantic Heretic
Because machines do what they are told, and never, ever talk back. So he’s comfortable there. No complicated human interaction.
So I guess those levers behind him are the switches on his personal Way-Back machine, if he can find the right settings, we can go back to 1900 and all will be good again?
RBS
86 | ericblair Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:17:47am |
re: #72 Charles Johnson
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Greenie acts like he thinks the Russians and Chinese are no threats at all to anybody’s civil liberties, which means that either:
He actually believes this, likely for the same reason that teenagers think their parents are the WORST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD IN THE HISTORY OF EVER; or more likely
He doesn’t believe it, but there’s zero percentage in taking on the Chinese or Russians. They actually do stifle dissent (much more Chinese than Russian), so the people you’re actually talking to have a real problem hearing what you’re saying (and consequently sending you money), and they actually do retaliate against journalists and whistleblowers in violent fashion.
None of the libertarians will let go, because bitching about the US/UK to the exclusion of every other world power is a safe gravy train.
87 | erik_t Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:20:19am |
re: #86 ericblair
He doesn’t believe it, but there’s zero percentage in taking on the Chinese or Russians. They actually do stifle dissent (much more Chinese than Russian), so the people you’re actually talking to have a real problem hearing what you’re saying (and consequently sending you money), and they actually do retaliate against journalists and whistleblowers in violent fashion.
It’s a natural mental extension of growing up safely ensconced in Mom’s basement (or your fortified Brazilian compound).
88 | RealityBasedSteve Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:20:31am |
re: #86 ericblair
Greenie acts like he thinks the Russians and Chinese are no threats at all to anybody’s civil liberties, which means that either:
He actually believes this, likely for the same reason that teenagers think their parents are the WORST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD IN THE HISTORY OF EVER; or more likely
He doesn’t believe it, but there’s zero percentage in taking on the Chinese or Russians. They actually do stifle dissent (much more Chinese than Russian), so the people you’re actually talking to have a real problem hearing what you’re saying (and consequently sending you money), and they actually do retaliate against journalists and whistleblowers in violent fashion.
None of the libertarians will let go, because bitching about the US/UK to the exclusion of every other world power is a safe gravy train.
Exactly. You never see a bully pushing around somebody who would actually have inclination to wallop the living tar out of him. It’s always the one that won’t fight back.
RBS
89 | missliberties Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:21:40am |
re: #25 Justanotherhuman
This is an excellent speech.
It’s good to hear from our President without all the partisan faux noise and shrieking.
I love how he started out with our history, including Paul Revere, to provide context as to why we need these programs and the never ending tension that arises balancing security and liberty.
90 | Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:21:50am |
91 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:23:11am |
WTFITS
The Marine Corp posted the most inappropriate MLK tweet of all time http://t.co/nrSpJspRfu pic.twitter.com/ikKPyFqmYN— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) January 17, 2014
92 | Romantic Heretic Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:23:36am |
re: #85 RealityBasedSteve
So I guess those levers behind him are the switches on his personal Way-Back machine, if he can find the right settings, we can go back to 1900 and all will be good again?
RBS
If he’s lucky enough to be in the right class. He may find that without family connections he might have to actually work, and most work back then was actually hard, very dangerous and badly paid.
One way you can tell an ideologue from a practical thinker is the position they will hold when things are changed. An ideologue is always in the elite.
93 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:23:43am |
re: #79 GlutenFreeJesus
I love the irony of all the dudebros who cry about privacy via Facebook and Twitter.
94 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:23:43am |
The audience in the Justice Dept gave Pres Obama a standing ovation. That’s not going to go over well with the libertarian crowd. Even if it is Pres Obama’s first visit to that Dept.
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., on President Obama’s NSA surveillance reform speech: ‘While I am encouraged the President is addressing the NSA spying program because of pressure from Congress and the American people, I am disappointed in the details. The 4th Amendment requires an individualized warrant based on probable cause before the government can search phone records and e-mails’ - via @NBCNews
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95 | ObserverArt Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:23:59am |
Had to log in after catching the speech (a few minutes in) and by some of the comments still make me think people still have no clue as to what meta data is. When I hear congressman Keith Ellison comment on MSNBC that people do not want the government knowing you are sitting on the toilet I have a fear Ellison has no clue about meta data. And that is sad and dangerous.
When a human rights spokesman says no meta data should be collected I have to ask what the hell and where the hell have you been, everyone collects meta data now, are you going stop all that too? Don’t go online dude…ever…all your human rights just went out the window.
So, all I can conclude is, the President and Congress along with many respected tech people need to block out a prime time channel takeover and hold an education session on what meta data is and what is actually means to the average American.
And even that may not work, because many will bitch they want to watch Duck Dynasty or ESPN instead and could care less about Obama spying and ignore it all and continue to bitch anyway.
Even the president’s explanation that the NSA data collection does not include names and contents really is not being understood. To me the big problem is digital technology is way, way over the heads of the American public and they can’t go out into the driveway and ‘pop the hood and change the oil and plugs!’
Hell they pretty much can’t do that on their cars now, but some remember when they could! And that is the problem…we Americans are can-do people and they are facing a can-no-longer-do-it technology.
Now…back to work!
96 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:25:21am |
re: #76 Romantic Heretic
Because machines do what they are told, and never, ever talk back. So he’s comfortable there. No complicated human interaction.
HAL: I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that.
97 | blueraven Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:25:59am |
98 | Varek Raith Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:26:31am |
Lol, politifact.
We don’t want to insinuate that means the defense secretary’s assessment of Biden is accurate, but at least his talking points (for the most part) don’t misrepresent Biden’s record.
99 | RealityBasedSteve Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:27:32am |
re: #92 Romantic Heretic
If he’s lucky enough to be in the right class. He may find that without family connections he might have to actually work, and most work back then was actually hard, very dangerous and badly paid.
One way you can tell an ideologue from a practical thinker is the position they will hold when things are changed. An ideologue is always in the elite.
You mean the same way that all the people who talk about having past lives, it was always as a royal, or a member of the priestly classes, or something other that is just great. Nobody ever channels or talks about , yea I spent about 1200 years of my past lives as a serf, basically living a short and brutal existence, and then dying early.
RBS
100 | GlutenFreeJesus Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:27:42am |
While we are “debating”… ie crying about how this is the end of American, Russia/China et all are debating on how to actually make that happen for real, thanks to ES.
101 | GlutenFreeJesus Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:28:23am |
102 | Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:28:36am |
re: #94 Justanotherhuman
The audience in the Justice Dept gave Pres Obama a standing ovation. That’s not going to go over well with the libertarian crowd. Even if it is Pres Obama’s first visit to that Dept.
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., on President Obama’s NSA surveillance reform speech: ‘While I am encouraged the President is addressing the NSA spying program because of pressure from Congress and the American people, I am disappointed in the details. The 4th Amendment requires an individualized warrant based on probable cause before the government can search phone records and e-mails’ - via @NBCNews
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It’ll be interesting to see how Rand Paul does with progressives. So far he’s been unable to get the cross over appeal his father had but that could change.
103 | Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:28:58am |
104 | erik_t Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:29:16am |
105 | Varek Raith Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:29:21am |
106 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light) Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:29:31am |
What Snowden did in itself was useful and even necessary. The way he went about it was reckless, ill-conceived and potentially dangerous to US lives and interests.
107 | blueraven Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:29:55am |
The privacy hawks and the security hawks will not like Obama’s speech. The rest of the country will be like…meh.
108 | blueraven Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:30:41am |
109 | ObserverArt Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:30:58am |
re: #83 Mike Lamb
So the NSA is in fact “under your bed” and everyone should be frightened? Having legitimate national security concerns over what China and Russia might do with this sensitive information is worthy of derision?
Perfect example of GG’s agenda.
And again…people are taking selfies in the bedroom and images of everything under the bed, in the closets and all of the roon and then posts long texts about it all. They want to be private while they give it all up online.
Damn frustrating. And oh yeah…FUCK GREENWALD you sanctimonious gas bag!!!
Almost feel like flying to Brazil to run my fist down his throat. And, I am non violent… ; )
110 | Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:31:20am |
re: #105 Varek Raith
Ok, KT.
Parse that.
What does it mean?
That means that no factual rebuttal was offered, probably didn’t even read the article.
111 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:31:41am |
re: #109 ObserverArt
And again…people are taking selfies in the bedroom and images of everything under the bed, in the closets and all of the roon and then posts long texts about it all. They want to be private while they give it all up online.
Damn frustrating. And oh yeah…FUCK GREENWALD you sanctimonious gas bag!!!
Almost feel like flying to Brazil to run my fist down his throat. And, I am non violent… ; )
Just make sure you get yourself some nice beach time first.
112 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:32:41am |
.@charlie_savage Uh… the President didn't “promise to end bulk call records collection.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 17, 2014
113 | blueraven Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:32:44am |
re: #110 Killgore Trout
That means that no factual rebuttal was offered, probably didn’t even read the article.
You can’t fact check a fucking opinion.
114 | RealityBasedSteve Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:32:46am |
re: #109 ObserverArt
And again…people are taking selfies in the bedroom and images of everything under the bed, in the closets and all of the roon and then posts long texts about it all. They want to be private while they give it all up online.
Damn frustrating. And oh yeah…FUCK GREENWALD you sanctimonious gas bag!!!
Almost feel like flying to Brazil to run my fist down his throat. And, I am non violent… ; )
and take a few selfies while you’re there.
RBS
115 | Varek Raith Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:33:05am |
re: #110 Killgore Trout
That means that no factual rebuttal was offered, probably didn’t even read the article.
Lol. What nice reasoning.
Obama is an alien overlord!
*No factual rebuttal offered*
MOSTLY TRUE
-Politifact
116 | Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:33:26am |
That’s a New York Times reporter spreading misinformation about Obama’s speech, by the way.
117 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:33:48am |
re: #110 Killgore Trout
That means that no factual rebuttal was offered, probably didn’t even read the article.
Stop feeding the troll. The links were tossed in without additional commentary and the subject doesn’t jive much (if at all) with the current topic.
(Me posting food or cat pictures doesn’t either, of course. But I think my intent is somewhat different.)
118 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:34:07am |
HURRHURR!!!111
If it weren't for Snowden Obama wouldn't even be discussing the NSA!!! #tcot #RedNationRising #UniteBlue #nerdland— YoungConservative (@steve0423) January 17, 2014
119 | Varek Raith Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:34:29am |
re: #117 Feline Fearless Leader
Stop feeding the troll. The links were tossed in without additional commentary and the subject doesn’t jive much (if at all) with the current topic.
(Me posting food or cat pictures doesn’t either, of course. But I think my intent is somewhat different.)
Sorry, it amuses me.
I’ll stop.
120 | ObserverArt Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:35:37am |
re: #98 Varek Raith
Lol, politifact.
Trusted facts!!!
Grrrr. Okay I’m going. But I am pissed off. Stupidity does that to me. Sorry!
122 | Varek Raith Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:36:35am |
re: #118 Pie-onist Overlord
HURRHURR!!!111
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And I’d have gotten away with it if it weren’t for those meddling kids and that dog.
123 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light) Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:37:52am |
re: #121 Dr. Matt
I sort of understand his point. We have this notion that Truth is some absolute value that can be compared and quantified, and “fact checkers” rely on us thinking that way.
124 | blueraven Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:38:06am |
It is my opinion that KT has been wrong in every post for the past year.
Fact: Mostly true
125 | erik_t Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:38:46am |
re: #124 blueraven
It is my opinion that KT has been wrong in every post for the past year.
Fact: Mostly true
I have seen no factual rebuttal.
126 | blueraven Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:41:46am |
CNN has Julian Assange on to give his analysis.
He looks like an old man, sporting a beard now.
127 | CuriousLurker Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:42:28am |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
Yes, the artist is completely open about the photoshoot.
Yes, and he was miffed about the misrepresentation and even confronted this @americanbadu person about it, yet you labeled it “fauxtography”, which is basically calling it the non-Palestinian equivalent of a “Pallywood” production.
Why?
This is the kind of stuff that makes it look like you’re just playing head games.
128 | Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:43:32am |
Hilarious: Even before Pres. began speech, Greenwald dismissed it as “PR stunt”, “pretty speech”. Truly, his personal hatred is astounding.— TheObamaDiary.com (@TheObamaDiary) January 17, 2014
129 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:45:16am |
In Fact Sheet, WH says NSA phone meta data collection “is a capability that we must preserve.”— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) January 17, 2014
130 | RealityBasedSteve Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:47:34am |
131 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:48:19am |
re: #129 lawhawk
That doesn’t surprise me. The network analysis is probably the most useful information to glean from the data. Knowing which numbers talk to which other numbers. Tells you which ones to potentially pay closer attention to regarding using greater resources in order to then possibly get content information.
132 | RealityBasedSteve Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:51:11am |
re: #131 Feline Fearless Leader
That doesn’t surprise me. The network analysis is probably the most useful information to glean from the data. Knowing which numbers talk to which other numbers. Tells you which ones to potentially pay closer attention to regarding using greater resources in order to then possibly get content information.
Exactly. You can identify key players, where organizations overlap, and from that you can start targeted investigations at a more detailed and focused level.
RBS
133 | Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 17, 2014 10:00:42am |
Snowden has brought together “Young Conservative” and old moonbats. Peacemaker !!1!
134 | abolitionist Fri, Jan 17, 2014 11:10:24am |
re: #33 RealityBasedSteve
What they are doing is nothing more than basic Signal Intelligence. Finding patterns, connections. The military stared doing this about 20 minutes after they started using radios. Even without knowing the contents of a message, the very patterns, volume, timing of messages can indicate important information.
RBS
Nothing more? Really?