Overnight CGI: Jet-Skiing the Cosmic Ocean to Orion Beach

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This is the Official Music Video for ‘Orion Beach’ a song from the album ‘The Construct’ by D/A/D.

It was featured on NPR’s ‘all songs considered.’ Calling it the “…ultimate chill zone”

http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2014/01/21/264533229/vikings-choice-ski-the-cosmic-oceanways-with-your-d-a-d

This video was also featured on Vice’s The Creators Project! The interview has a lot of great info about the Production!
http://thecreatorsproject.vice.com/blog/campbell-logan-updated-a-century-old-animation-technique-for-the-n64-generation

Credits:
Written/Directed/Produced/Animated by Campbell Logan
Co-Produced by Chandler Craig
Starring:
Dick Fink - Blue Chiller
Lola Dompé - Yellow Chiller
Brian Ioakimedes - Red Chiller
Jane Kilcullen - Violet Chiller
Arun Goswami - Green Chiller

The Album ‘The Construct’ can be found here:

CDs and Tapes!
http://hausumountain.com/?page_id=9

Digital Copies!
http://rossocorsarecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-construct
http://dadmusic.bandcamp.com

More D/A/D!
https://soundcloud.com/dadmusic
https://www.facebook.com/80sDAD

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260 comments
1 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:11:04pm

Well, I’ve lost Vimeo access again. They must have repaired that chink in the Great Firewall of China.

2 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:21:14pm

re: #1 wheat-dogghazi

Well, I’ve lost Vimeo access again. They must have repaired that chink in the Great Firewall of China.

I have listened to you talk about the Great Firewall of China.

I have listened to young christian people from northern Nigeria.

And then I listen to some fucking asshats daring to complain about “oppression” and “persecution” in America.

Fuck those childish shits.

3 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:30:59pm

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4 The War TARDIS  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:34:23pm

Has our lost aircraft turned up?

5 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:34:54pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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That image so perfectly captures the total “Huey Long” approach he’s using. Pity so few in America remember that how that little rat bastard tried to play “populism” into pure power for the Kingfish and the Kingfish alone.

“All the kings men” as Warren put it so well once upon a time…

6 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:34:57pm

re: #2 William Barnett-Lewis

I have listened to you talk about the Great Firewall of China.

I have listened to young christian people from northern Nigeria.

And then I listen to some fucking asshats daring to complain about “oppression” and “persecution” in America.

Fuck those childish shits.

In total agreement. When I hear the far right, far left and far-out-there libertarians cry wolf about the oppression and persecution of (fill in the blank) the USA, I just snort. They have no fucking idea what real oppression and persecution are. If the USA had the kind of media controls China does, these Twitter soldiers would all be locked up long ago in some dark hole, cut off from the Internet and most of society. Soldiers would come and bust up their home Bible sessions, close down religious homeschools, arrest the leaders of Liberty U, Regent U and Bob Jones U.

I know very clearly what I can and cannot do or say while I work here. I know the police keep tabs on my travels. Everyone buying a train ticket has to show ID to buy them. Everyone checking into a hotel has his name and ID reported to the local police.

On the other hand, I can keep my shoes and belt on at the airport. And no one at any bus terminal, train station or airport has ever asked to inspect my bags. We can even keep locks on our luggage here. There’s no TSA taking a Dremel tool to saw through the zipper pulls.

It’s a mixed bag. I’ve just learned to adapt.

7 jaunte  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:36:36pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Tailgunner Ted.

8 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:36:57pm

re: #4 The War TARDIS

Has our last aircraft turned up?

Afraid not. It may have gone down in northern Vietnam or China’s Yunnan province. Both are mountainous areas.

reuters.com

9 Kilroy01  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:37:09pm

re: #3 Charles Grampa Cruz

Johnson

10 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:38:17pm

Yes. Chill music.

11 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:40:00pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Well I think I speak for all of us here in saying that by 2019, I hope we are saying “Former Senator Cruz.” The guy as WBL put is eloquently is the worst kind of populist demagogue playing in to people’s hates and resentments for personal power. What’s sad is Cruz is obviously an intelligent man. You don’t get into Harvard by being a dummy but he like Bobby Jindal, also someone with a strong educational background prefers ot play the stupid populist demagogue pandering to a crowd that believes any involvement by the government to improve people’s lives is evil socialism. I really want Cruz to be ruined by his own hubris. I want him to somehow disappoint and I think he will inevitably disappoint this crowd that loves him now but would turn on him if he ever did like Rubio did and acted like a key issue to them was something to talk reasonably about. Make no mistake Cruz will have his Marco Rubio moment where he breaks the nutters that make up the crowds at CPAC’s heart and they’re calling him a RINO and liberal.

12 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:40:05pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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The epitome of slippery.

13 The War TARDIS  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:40:06pm

re: #8 wheat-dogghazi

Wiki has said something else.

Relevant authorities in Thailand as well as Vietnam have informed their Malaysian counterparts that the aircraft has not crossed their airspace.[11] More recently, Vietnamese rescue staff have stated that they have detected signals from the aircraft off the coast of Cà Mau (located in southern Vietnam).

14 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:40:24pm

re: #9 Kilroy01

Johnson

Oh I knew it! He reminded me of someone.

15 Kilroy01  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:45:30pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Editing is over rated..

16 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:46:47pm

Ok. Off to Dr Sleep - the novel by Mr. S. King. Excellent so far. Thanks for the knowledge and commentary LGF. As always.

17 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:47:21pm

re: #13 The War TARDIS

Yeah. They may have been flying over open water in the Gulf of Thailand, which is going to make locating them even harder. Ca Mau is in the southern tip of Vietnam.

18 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:47:43pm

re: #15 Kilroy01

Editing is over rated..

Thanks. Long day here.

19 The War TARDIS  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:47:46pm

Would there be a way to use any of the satellites up there to start trying to try and help the search?

20 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:49:15pm

re: #6 wheat-dogghazi

I remember being in Vietnam in 2002 to adopt our son. I was rather amazed at the time at how relatively free their nation really was. I was even more amazed at how little corruption there was. No bribes were necessary! (unlike what I heard from friends who adopted girls from China) and the fees we did pay? They actually went to the orphanage so they could care for the children.

A family we met had an ancestor shrine to their VC commander grandmother. The father was an old VC officer who had a day job in the communist government and was a landlord after hours. The daughter was in a college for hotel management. :)

They have cracked down on fundamentalist religions and on the internet since then and yet when they have their elections I see more than one candidate for more offices than I do here in Wisconsin and I see real differences in the positions of the candidates even though they are nominally all “communists”.

As an old DSA democratic socialist, it gets very depressing at times.

21 jaunte  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:50:31pm
22 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:51:16pm

re: #21 jaunte

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Terrible.

23 The War TARDIS  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:51:17pm

re: #21 jaunte

Their boats must have found the wreckage.

24 Lidane  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:51:35pm
25 The War TARDIS  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:51:49pm

re: #20 William Barnett-Lewis

Wouldn’t mind visiting there.

26 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:52:36pm

re: #24 Lidane

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I just saw that on facebook. Sometimes real life is better than any satire.

27 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:53:27pm

re: #21 jaunte

Oh, sad news. That’s another air disaster involving Chinese flying on that same airliner model. The last was the Asiana crash in San Francisco that killed three Chinese school girls.

28 The War TARDIS  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:55:25pm

re: #27 wheat-dogghazi

Strange thing is, the 777 has a great safety history. the Asiana Flight accident was clearly pilot error of some sort,.

So, why does a plane fall out of the sky without a single distress call?

29 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:55:26pm

re: #20 William Barnett-Lewis

I remember being in Vietnam in 2002 to adopt our son. I was rather amazed at the time at how relatively free their nation really was. I was even more amazed at how little corruption there was. No bribes were necessary! (unlike what I heard from friends who adopted girls from China) and the fees we did pay? They actually went to the orphanage so they could care for the children.

A family we met had an ancestor shrine to their VC commander grandmother. The father was an old VC officer who had a day job in the communist government and was a landlord after hours. The daughter was in a college for hotel management. :)

They have cracked down on fundamentalist religions and on the internet since then and yet when they have their elections I see more than one candidate for more offices than I do here in Wisconsin and I see real differences in the positions of the candidates even though they are nominally all “communists”.

As an old DSA democratic socialist, it gets very depressing at times.

Vietnam is one of those examples where we did more harm than good getting involved in their internal affairs. Amazingly, there seems to be little animosity toward Americans there.

30 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:59:07pm

re: #28 The War TARDIS

Strange thing is, the 777 has a great safety history. the Asiana Flight accident was clearly pilot error of some sort,.

So, why does a plane fall out of the sky without a single distress call?

The Asiana crash was partly due to an automatic landing, and some errors in determining the plane’s altitude above the ground.

There was another flight not long ago, Air France I think, that went down in the Atlantic off the coast of South America. They suspect some problems with the avionics, which led the pilots to believe the plane was OK while flying on instruments but in fact was approaching stall speed.

31 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:59:11pm

re: #29 wheat-dogghazi

Vietnam is one of those examples where we did more harm than good getting involved in their internal affairs. Amazingly, there seems to be little animosity toward Americans there.

Yeah some friends of my Dad have been over there. They don’t encounter any problems for being Americans. And I’ve read about rare reunions between former North Vietnamese/Vietcong and US troops that go over surprisingly well given how our POWs were treated.

32 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:59:12pm

re: #5 William Barnett-Lewis

That image so perfectly captures the total “Huey Long” approach he’s using. Pity so few in America remember that how that little rat bastard tried to play “populism” into pure power for the Kingfish and the Kingfish alone.

“All the kings men” as Warren put it so well once upon a time…

I was thinking of Elmer Gantry.

33 Weet  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:00:06pm

re: #8 wheat-dogghazi

Afraid not. It may have gone down in northern Vietnam or China’s Yunnan province. Both are mountainous areas.

reuters.com

The timeline from that article shows less than an hour in the air. I think it’s more likely it’s in the Gulf or the South China Sea.

Left at 11.21 a.m. ET Friday.

An official at the Civil Aviation Authority of Vietnam (CAAV) said the plane had failed to check in as scheduled at 1721 GMT (12.21 p.m. ET) while it was flying over the sea between Malaysia and Ho Chi Minh city.

I am not sure how accurate this flight path is, below.

34 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:00:54pm

re: #29 wheat-dogghazi

Vietnam is one of those examples where we did more harm than good getting involved in their internal affairs. Amazingly, there seems to be little animosity toward Americans there.

Very true. We were there mere months after 9/11 and people fell over themselves to help us despite the legacy of (what they call) The American War.

35 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:01:27pm

Charles, I am experiencing some problems with Preview. I’m on the latest Chrome and Win 7 Ultimate. When I try to preview, I get the little blue whirly thing and no preview at all. Clicking elsewhere does not escape, nor does pressing ESC. I have to reload the page to get back to normal.

36 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:02:30pm

re: #33 Weet

Yeah. I saw the same thing after I posted that comment. It’ apparently went down in the Gulf of Thailand.

37 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:03:09pm

re: #28 The War TARDIS

Strange thing is, the 777 has a great safety history. the Asiana Flight accident was clearly pilot error of some sort,.

So, why does a plane fall out of the sky without a single distress call?

Watch some Air Disasters shows on the Smithsonian channel. It’s amazing what a sequence of seemingly inconsequential occurrences can lead to.

38 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:04:26pm

Flying a plane: hours of boredom punctuated by seconds of sheer terror.

39 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:04:50pm

re: #34 William Barnett-Lewis

Very true. We were there mere months after 9/11 and people fell over themselves to help us despite the legacy of (what they call) The American War.

I know it’s not the same since we were never even close to being at war with them but I’ll never forget the Irish gentleman that gave me a family history of my father’s mother’s maiden name for free when I studied in Ireland. I was low on cash coming back to Galway from an exercision in Limerick and he offered it to me for free knowing I was American. I had only wanted to see it as I had already purchased a history of my surname. Loved the friendliness I got when I went to Europe the first time too. I find that if you respect people abroad, they will treat you well.

41 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:07:06pm

Man being an airline pilot must be a stressful job. Those early pioneers of flight had some nerves man.

42 Weet  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:12:21pm
43 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:12:47pm

re: #28 The War TARDIS

So, why does a plane fall out of the sky without a single distress call?

I am reminded of the first time I picked up a copy of Ernest K. Gann’s book “Fate Is The Hunter” from 1961. He flew during some of the hardest times of aviation and the first (IIRC) eight pages of the book are rows of initials of pilots and their airlines. “Wings forever folded”, I believe. All pilots who died during the time he was a pilot like them.

We like to pretend life is safe. It’s not. I could die tonight without waking.

But those who have family and friends on flight MH370 will not be comforted by my musings here. May their deity smile upon them and theirs through this difficult night.

44 The War TARDIS  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:13:29pm

re: #43 William Barnett-Lewis

???

45 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:14:47pm

re: #44 The War TARDIS

???

Just fixed it :)

46 The War TARDIS  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:15:21pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Will make sure to give Vietnam tourist money at least once.

47 Weet  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:16:31pm

One more. This one has an article and a cool pic.

48 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:17:07pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

I have not had one bad experience dealing with the people in China. You still have to be careful with your possessions in crowded areas (pickpockets, y’know), but everyone I’ve met have been friendly and hospitable.

The government may not be the world’s most progressive, but the people are OK.

49 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:17:42pm

re: #46 The War TARDIS

Will make sure to give Vietnam tourist money at least once.

Hell I’d go just for a genuine Banh Mi. Plus beautiful beaches too I imagine. I don’t see a trip to SE Asia in my immediate future though. Got my Euro trip planned this year and next or the following year my SiL and her fam have this awesome Machu Picchu trip in mind. They’re from Peru and I’m sold after hearing their and my brother’s stories.

50 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:19:33pm

re: #46 The War TARDIS

Will make sure to give Vietnam tourist money at least once.

My former American co-workers here recommended Hanoi over Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) to me. They said Hanoi was more comfortable, cosmopolitan and welcoming than HCMC.

51 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:19:38pm

re: #46 The War TARDIS

Will make sure to give Vietnam tourist money at least once.

it’s a beautiful land and a good people. You could do far worse than to visit them.

52 Ming  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:19:44pm

re: #34 William Barnett-Lewis

Very true. We were there mere months after 9/11 and people fell over themselves to help us despite the legacy of (what they call) The American War.

It’s amazing how times change. I remember in 1995, there was some controversy in America when President Clinton appointed the first ambassador to Vietnam. I guess now, almost 39 years after the war ended, times have changed even more.

I have a few Vietnamese-American friends from a previous job. They’re great people, thoroughly assimilated into American life, as American as any of us. I remember shortly after Sept. 11, 2001, noticing that one of them had a “Support the Troops” bumper sticker on his SUV. Many people younger than me wouldn’t have given that a second thought.

53 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:19:51pm

re: #48 wheat-dogghazi

I have not had one bad experience dealing with the people in China. You still have to be careful with your possessions in crowded areas (pickpockets, y’know), but everyone I’ve met have been friendly and hospitable.

The government may not be the world’s most progressive, but the people are OK.

I had some classmates who were exchange students from the PRC. Nice kids. I loved where I went to school because I was able to meet people from all over the place. Really tempered the disappointment of not getting into VA’s top party school-JMU go away real quick since that kind of experience long term is much better than some cliche house party.

54 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:20:42pm

re: #9 Kilroy01

Johnson

I pluck my widow’s peak.

55 jaunte  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:21:42pm
56 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:22:27pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Hell I’d go just for a genuine Banh Mi. Plus beautiful beaches too I imagine. I don’t see a trip to SE Asia in my immediate future though. Got my Euro trip planned this year and next or the following year my SiL and her fam have this awesome Machu Picchu trip in mind. They’re from Peru and I’m sold after hearing their and my brother’s stories.

If they are from there, they can help you acclimate. It’s quite a journey!

57 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:22:29pm

re: #50 wheat-dogghazi

My former American co-workers here recommended Hanoi over Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) to me. They said Hanoi was more comfortable, cosmopolitan and welcoming than HCMC.

That can be true (for Europeans especially, Hanoi retains more of France) gut I found old Saigon/HCM City to be quite a delight. Wonderful British style pub called The Underground there too for those moments when you just need to step back into what your familiar with… O_o

58 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:24:52pm

re: #56 prairiefire

If they are from there, they can help you acclimate. It’s quite a journey!

Yeah that will help quite a bit. It looks amazing. Me, her, and my brothers actually watched the Idiot Abroad ep where Karl goes there. A riot. We couldn’t get over how Karl can’t appreciate it something with so much majestic beauty. It’s kind of a funny coincidence that he ended up marrying a Peruvian given that one of my childhood best friends was Peruvian. Great people and man I hate to sound like a glutton but I love love their food. It’s made me forget all about Mexican.

59 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:30:10pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

I have no idea what their food is like. Peru has yet hit it big in midwestusa.

60 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:32:20pm

re: #59 prairiefire

I have no idea what their food is like. Peru has yet hit it big in midwestusa.

If you’re ever in Madison WI check out Inka: inkaheritagerestaurant.com

61 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:33:04pm

re: #59 prairiefire

I have no idea what their food is like. Peru has yet hit it big in midwestusa.

I can’t really describe it honestly if you’ve never had it but my one big qualm with Mexican is too much cheese and beans are used so you know uh gas. My favorite Peruvian dish is Lomo Saltado which is a a cut of steak mixed in with rice, french fries, onions, and tomatoes. It apparently has its influence in the Chinese emigrants to the region. They also use a lot of potatoes which makes sense given the origin of potatoes to the New World and they use a lot of neat sauces I like too. Definitely try it if you ever get the chance.

62 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:34:58pm

Sauces, hmmmm.

63 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:36:36pm

re: #60 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ve been meaning to ask, have you lived in Madison long enough to have eaten at Lomardo’s?

64 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:49:01pm
65 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:50:18pm

re: #63 prairiefire

I’ve been meaning to ask, have you lived in Madison long enough to have eaten at Lomardo’s?

Yep. Loved it. Not the _best_ Italian in town but in the top three I’d say. Why?

66 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:09:19pm

re: #65 William Barnett-Lewis

Yep. Loved it. Not the _best_ Italian in town but in the top three I’d say. Why?

I used to be married into the family of Lombardino’s. Aunt Josie married the Mr. Lombardo who started the restaurant. I think they were more “white tablecloth” when they started out in the 50’s. They did sell it later after passed. I never met him, but his wife was very proud of him. They enjoyed Madison. A bit exotic and esoteric compared to old North East KC.

67 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 1:00:40am

Multinational search underway for missing airliner.

nst.com.my

Malaysia Air officials have denied there was a crash, and are still maintaining the craft is missing. A Vietnamese military officer, however, says the B777 went down off the coast of southern Vietnam.

69 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 3:04:35am

re: #48 wheat-dogghazi

I have not had one bad experience dealing with the people in China. You still have to be careful with your possessions in crowded areas (pickpockets, y’know), but everyone I’ve met have been friendly and hospitable.

The government may not be the world’s most progressive, but the people are OK.

People are usually, for the most part, OK. It’s those who have power over them that fuck things up.

70 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 3:06:37am

re: #64 NJDhockeyfan

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12 crew and 2 infants, also, iirc.

71 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 3:14:57am

I’m hoping this will last: 63 deg today, 65 tomorrow, 70 Mon. Maybe we’re over the hump—hope so!

Meanwhile, Pres Obama says people are way ahead of Congress on raising the minimum wage.

Youtube Video

72 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 3:24:43am

Morning, Lizards.

With regard to Flight MH370, the same plane was involved in an incident in August of 2012.

The tip of the wing of the same Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777-200 broke off Aug. 9, 2012, as it was taxiing at Pudong International Airport outside Shanghai. The wingtip collided with the tail of a China Eastern Airlines A340 plane. No one was injured.

bostonglobe.com

I’m no aviation expert, but it raises the possibility in my mind of catastrophic structural failure, similar to what happened to China Airlines Flight 611:

The final investigation report found that the accident was the result of metal fatigue caused by inadequate maintenance after a previous incident.

The report indicated that on 7 February 1980, the aircraft used on the flight had a tailstrike accident while landing in Hong Kong. Part of the plane’s tail scraped along the runway for several hundred feet. The aircraft was de-pressurized, ferried back to Taiwan on the same day, and a temporary repair done the day after. A more permanent repair was conducted by a team from China Airlines from 23 May through 26 May 1980. However, the permanent repair of the tail strike was not carried out in accordance with the Boeing Structural Repair Manual (SRM). The area of damaged skin in Section 46 was not removed (trimmed) and the repair doubler plate that was supposed to cover in excess of 30% of the damaged area did not extend beyond the entire damaged area enough to restore the overall structural strength.

Consequently, after repeated cycles of depressurization and pressurization during flight, the weakened hull gradually started to crack and finally broke open in mid-flight on 25 May 2002, exactly 22 years to the day after the faulty repair was made upon the damaged tail. An explosive decompression of the aircraft occurred once the crack opened up, causing the complete disintegration of the aircraft in mid-air. This was not the first time that a plane had crashed because of a faulty repair following a tailstrike. On 12 August 1985, 17 years before the Flight 611 crash and five years after the accident aircraft’s repair, Japan Airlines Flight 123 had crashed when the vertical stabilizer was torn off and the hydraulic systems severed by explosive decompression, killing 520 of the 524 people on board the aircraft. That crash had been attributed to a faulty repair to the rear pressure bulkhead, which had been damaged in 1978 in a tailstrike incident. In both crashes, the faulty repair had been an incorrectly installed doubler plate that was not installed according to Boeing standards.

In the case of China Airlines 611, it was the fuselage that was damaged of course, but I wonder if the incident regarding MH370 could have led to failure of the wing in-flight if wasn’t properly repaired.

In any event, a very sad incident.

73 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 3:39:13am

That Malaysia to Beijing flight must have colored my dreams last night. There were several helicopters and 3 very large planes tethered to each other, nose to tail, flying frightening low over my apt (low enough to see through the windows).

On occasion, when the President is in Charlotte or some other VIP is visiting the area, there is always a large contingent of helicopters clearing the airspace around here since there are a several small airports in the area.

We used to crack up when I worked at Lowe’s Home Imp in Mooresville (called “Race City” and you can tell the money is there) 10 yrs ago. Rusty Wallace has his shop directly in back of the store (noisy!) and he used to fly his own helicopter in to visit it from time to time. About the same time, Lowe’s started sponsoring Jimmy Johnson, the NASCAR driver, and when I went outside in the back to smoke, a couple of the execs were out there with JJ—I told him, “Hi, Jimmy.” Like a lot of drivers, he’s a short, small guy, was nice enough to acknowledge those of us sitting there. I’m not a NASCAR fan, but my son is, and I wanted the story for him, but he was all, “meh”. He was a fierce Dale Earnhardt fan and was watching the day DE had his fatal crash. It was one of the only times I ever saw my son cry.

74 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 4:28:14am

Wall Street Journal ‏@WSJ 27m

Malaysia Airways says aircraft will resume jet search Sunday; ships continue efforts to find plane. on.wsj.com #MH370


Retweeted by Wall Street Journal
WSJ Asia ‏@WSJAsia 31m

Vietnamese search planes spot two oil slicks, possible jet engines of missing flight #MH370 on.wsj.com

75 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 5:24:16am
76 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 5:25:01am
77 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 5:26:49am
78 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 5:34:52am
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80 freetoken  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 5:52:00am

I wonder what the market will be like for this thing:

Orgasm machine for women could revolutionize climaxing

Scientists have designed a machine that they claim can help orgasmic dysfunctional women climax at the touch of a button.

The device is slightly smaller than a packet of cigarettes but will require a medical operation to have the device fitted. The orgasm machine for women uses tiny electrodes attached to the spine which can trigger an orgasm via a remote control. Medical trials are expected to begin later in 2014 in Minneapolis.

[…]

SCIENCE!

81 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 5:55:14am

re: #80 freetoken

I am reminded of Larry Niven’s wireheads, but these electrodes will be placed a bit lower than he imagined.

82 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 5:56:47am

re: #80 freetoken

I wonder what the market will be like for this thing:

Orgasm machine for women could revolutionize climaxing

SCIENCE!

Hackers will have a whole new project.

83 Internet Tough Guy  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 5:57:26am

re: #80 freetoken

Will there be an app for that?

84 Ryan King  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 5:58:20am

re: #81 wheat-dogghazi

I am reminded of Larry Niven’s wireheads, but these electrodes will be placed a bit lower than he imagined.

With an iPad app.

‘You told me you weren’t going to play golf todaAAAAYYYAAAAHHHH….OK honey go play.’

85 Ryan King  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 5:58:59am

re: #83 Internet Tough Guy

Will there be an app for that?

DAMN YOU. Beaten again.

86 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 5:59:53am

An appropriate tune for this long, hard winter, whether seen metaphorically or not. I love this singer, Alice Russell, she does a lot of collaborations. Fat Freddy’s Drop is a band from Wellington, NZ.

Youtube Video

87 Flounder  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:01:18am

Science is coming a long way from the 60’s

88 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:02:21am
89 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:03:46am

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

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Yikes. Terrorism, possibly?

90 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:05:16am

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

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Hmmm……that’s not good. A stolen passport can easily be used for many nefarious purposes.

91 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:08:46am

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

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According to the passenger manifest the only Italian on board was one Luigi Maraldi, age 37.

92 freetoken  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:11:31am

Because American TV viewers are insatiable voyeurs, besides just generally having bad taste:

The Real Polygamous, Feminist Wives of Salt Lake City

The stars of a new reality TV show want to show the world that a man can have an egalitarian relationship with a wife—and a wife, and a wife, and a wife, and a wife.

It’s among the most patriarchal domestic arrangements you can sign up for. In polygamy, husbands are king.

But one polygamist family is insisting that it’s the exception. The Williams clan, which lives outside Salt Lake City, comprises wives Paulie, Robyn, Rosemary, Nonie, and Rhonda. There are 24 children. And, one other person … oh, right, husband Brady. He’s a construction manager and philosophy major who’s currently enrolled in a feminist theory course at a local college and who refuses to accept the title “head of the household.” He doesn’t like the sexist connotation.

A one-hour special about the Williamses aired on TLC last fall, and the family’s new 9-part series, My Five Wives, is set to debut on Sunday. Earlier this week, the six parents sat down for an interview.

[…]

Could this start a fashion trend among living arrangements?

93 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:12:07am

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

According to the passenger manifest (malaysiaairlines.com the only Italian on board was one Luigi Maraldi, age 37.

If it’s this guy, he loves vacationing in Thailand, may even live there.

facebook.com

94 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:13:13am

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

According to the passenger manifest (malaysiaairlines.com the only Italian on board was one Luigi Maraldi, age 37.

95 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:14:35am

re: #94 NJDhockeyfan

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Hmmm…..someone likely snagged his passport then. Not good.

96 lawhawk  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:17:42am

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

Daily Mirror reports this as well.

An extraordinary story has just emerged from Italy in relation to missing flight MH 370.

Louis Maraldi, 37, from Cesena, was named as one of the passengers on board the plane.

However, reports in Italy have confirmed that he was NOT on board and that he had reported his passport stolen last August.

Mr Maraldi’s parents have spoken to him in Thailand and he is ‘fine’, news agency ANSA reports.

The revelation suggests that one of the 227 passengers on board the missing flight was using a stolen passport.

This, if confirmed, changes the whole nature of the investigation. It goes from a potential mechanical problem to one where terrorism is at play. Authorities will have to check the tapes in Kuala Lampur and see who exactly got on board, and confirmation of who was on board.

97 lawhawk  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:18:39am

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

There’s an extra parens at the end of your link.

98 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:19:25am

re: #96 lawhawk

Daily Mirror reports this as well.

This, if confirmed, changes the whole nature of the investigation. It goes from a potential mechanical problem to one where terrorism is at play. Authorities will have to check the tapes in Kuala Lampur and see who exactly got on board, and confirmation of who was on board.

Yep; certainly the possibility of a terrorist act may be in play. Of course, sadly, that invariably has to be considered.

99 freetoken  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:19:54am

re: #96 lawhawk

Possibly the passport could be connected to why the flight went down, but we also should consider that cross-border crime is rampant and stolen passports/identities a commodity in the criminal trade.

100 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:20:44am

re: #81 wheat-dogghazi

I am reminded of Larry Niven’s wireheads, but these electrodes will be placed a bit lower than he imagined.

Mindkiller is a 1982 novel by science fiction writer Spider Robinson. The novel, set in the late 1980s (re-edited later to begin in 2006), explores the social implications of technologies to manipulate the brain, beginning with wireheading, the use of electrical current to stimulate the pleasure center of the brain in order to achieve a narcotic high.

“Pleasure, it’s the only way to die.”

en.m.wikipedia.org

101 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:22:56am

re: #92 freetoken

Haha, so this guy has “independent” women, who he can sleep with and have his kids, all working at some sort of career, aside from being his “wife” so he can say he’s not really the “head of the household”?

Am I hearing this correctly?

People are so full of shit sometimes.

102 freetoken  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:23:28am

I for one find it highly serendipitous that implantable remote controlled orgasm devices become available just as polygamy comes back as a fashion trend.

103 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:25:37am

re: #102 freetoken

I for one find it highly serendipitous that implantable remote controlled orgasm devices become available just as polygamy comes back as a fashion trend.

But if women have six husbands, she’s a whore.

Tell me how patriarchy works again? This guy’s set-up is just another manifestation.

104 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:28:58am

re: #96 lawhawk

Daily Mirror reports this as well.

This, if confirmed, changes the whole nature of the investigation. It goes from a potential mechanical problem to one where terrorism is at play. Authorities will have to check the tapes in Kuala Lampur and see who exactly got on board, and confirmation of who was on board.

I wonder how someone was able to get on a plane with a stolen passport considering all the post 9/11 security in place today.

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:35:29am

Three cups of coffee later…I’m finally awake (maybe)

106 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:37:49am

Good grief, this is one of Maraldi’s likes, on his FB.

facebook.com

107 lawhawk  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:39:20am

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

Not every airport and every country has the strict kind of security you’d think. So much of security at airports is security theater, but the passport is the key document. A stolen/forged passport might not be caught by someone quickly scanning the document. That might allow someone on board, but what about their baggage.

The question becomes what was the means by which the plane was brought down - x ray screening of baggage should be in place to screen, but is it possible that someone figured out a way to pass that through?

It’s still way early in the investigation, so all this is speculation at this point. I’d still wait for confirmation that the passport was indeed stolen, and hope that they find the plane’s location quickly.

108 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:44:13am

re: #107 lawhawk

Not every airport and every country has the strict kind of security you’d think. So much of security at airports is security theater, but the passport is the key document. A stolen/forged passport might not be caught by someone quickly scanning the document. That might allow someone on board, but what about their baggage.

The question becomes what was the means by which the plane was brought down - x ray screening of baggage should be in place to screen, but is it possible that someone figured out a way to pass that through?

It’s still way early in the investigation, so all this is speculation at this point. I’d still wait for confirmation that the passport was indeed stolen, and hope that they find the plane’s location quickly.

Also, I would imagine that whomever used the passport of Mr. Maraldi would have to have had some resemblance to him; I’ve seen it quite often where they look at the photo, look at you, and that’s pretty much it.

109 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:51:00am

re: #107 lawhawk

Not every airport and every country has the strict kind of security you’d think. So much of security at airports is security theater, but the passport is the key document. A stolen/forged passport might not be caught by someone quickly scanning the document. That might allow someone on board, but what about their baggage.

The question becomes what was the means by which the plane was brought down - x ray screening of baggage should be in place to screen, but is it possible that someone figured out a way to pass that through?

It’s still way early in the investigation, so all this is speculation at this point. I’d still wait for confirmation that the passport was indeed stolen, and hope that they find the plane’s location quickly.

We had ‘chatter’ from before the Olympics about Radical Islamist terrorists using explosives concealed in tubes of toothpaste. Perhaps this that sort of disguised explosive being used.

110 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 6:53:57am

re: #100 BeenHereAwhile

Niven’s wirehead premise predates Robinson’s by at least 12 years. It’s referenced in Ringworld, because protagonist Louis Wu is a former wirehead. Niven’s Known Space stories go back a ways.

111 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:00:23am

I’m monitoring the Kuala Lumpur New Straits Times for news, and came across this bulletin. Not sure if anyone has shared it yet.

WARSAW: Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski said on Saturday Poland had evacuated its consulate in Ukraine’s Crimea due to disturbances by Russian forces.
Sikorski said on Twitter: “Because of continuing disturbances by Russian forces there, we have reluctantly evacuated our consulate in Crimea, Ukraine.”
The consulate is in Sevastopol, the home of both Russia’s Black Sea Fleet and the Ukrainian navy, where Russian troops drove a truck into a missile defence post and took control of it overnight.—REUTER

Read more: Poland evacuates consulate in Crimea - Latest - New Straits Times nst.com.my

112 lawhawk  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:02:59am

Troll in the dungeon

Just saving that for future use…

113 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:06:07am

-deleted-

114 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:09:24am

Alice Kramden has perhaps finally gone to the moon. Sheila MacRae hsa died, aged 92.

people.com

115 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:12:06am

The Mirror reports another passenger on the MN370 manifest was not on the plane. An Austrian, Chris Kozel, lost his passport, too.

mirror.co.uk

Both men had lost their passports in Thailand. Kozel lost his two years ago.

116 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:14:09am

re: #114 wheat-dogghazi

Alice Kramden has perhaps finally gone to the moon. Sheila MacRae hsa died, aged 92.

people.com

I remember Audrey Meadows in the original. She died in 1996.

117 chadu  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:14:37am

re: #114 wheat-dogghazi

Alice Kramden has perhaps finally gone to the moon. Sheila MacRae hsa died, aged 92.

people.com

Alice Kramden (II), I note, from The Jackie Gleason Show segments.

Bang, zoom, indeed.

118 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:16:53am

re: #115 wheat-dogghazi

The Mirror reports another passenger on the MN370 manifest was not on the plane. An Austrian, Chris Kozel, lost his passport, too.

mirror.co.uk

Both men had lost their passports in Thailand. Kozel lost his two years ago.

And Thailand has an active Islamist insurgency. That bolsters the idea that this was terrorism.

Disclaimer: ‘Islamist’ ≠ ‘Muslim’, the term refers to hard-line, Salafist/Wahhabi branches of Islam.

119 chadu  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:20:14am

re: #117 chadu

Alice Kramden (II), I note, from The Jackie Gleason Show segments.

Bang, zoom, indeed.

Strike that: Alice Kramden (III), if you’re counting Pert Kelton?

Wikipedia, wikipedia…

120 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:20:32am

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Indeed, the US Embassy sent out an email last year to expats warning us to avoid travel in certain areas of Thailand, especially the far south (Islamic groups) and the far northwest (separatists).

Mere speculation, but if those passports went missing months or years ago, they could have been doctored to replace the original photos with photos of the people carrying them. That could explain why no one questioned the two impostors.

121 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:25:19am

Wasn’t aware of Islamists being in Thailand. Knew about the Phillipines because of that kidnapping some years back and I know both Malaysia and Indonesia have sizable Muslim populations in what are already populated nations.

122 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:26:59am

re: #121 HappyWarrior

The southern reaches of Thailand border Malaysia.

123 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:27:48am

re: #122 wheat-dogghazi

The southern reaches of Thailand border Malaysia.

Ah that’s right, thanks.

124 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:28:51am

re: #123 HappyWarrior

NP

125 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:35:03am

Confirmed.

126 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:35:33am

re: #120 wheat-dogghazi

Indeed, the US Embassy sent out an email last year to expats warning us to avoid travel in certain areas of Thailand, especially the far south (Islamic groups) and the far northwest (separatists).

Mere speculation, but if those passports went missing months or years ago, they could have been doctored to replace the original photos with photos of the people carrying them. That could explain why no one questioned the two impostors.

In 2008, when flying back to Prague I encountered a security breach big enough to fly an A380 through. I disembarked, and the first thing I see is a sign pointing right to luggage collection. So, I get my suitcase, get my passport ready……

and walk right out the entry doors of the airport. No passport control, nothing, bupkis. I was flabbergasted, as you can imagine. They were doing so remodeling at the international flights terminal, and apparently in doing so, bypassed customs control. I wasn’t the only one who did this; everyone on the plane did it as well.

127 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:35:44am

re: #125 Justanotherhuman

Confirmed.

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Is this the Polish FM?

128 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:36:51am

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Roger that

129 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:37:37am

re: #128 wheat-dogghazi

Roger that

Figured. Poland’s going to play a key role in this whole affair given their history with both Ukraine and Russia.

130 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:37:52am

re: #127 HappyWarrior

From his twitter:

Minister Spraw Zagranicznych i Europejskich, Minister of Foreign and European Affairs; Wiceprzewodniczၜy PO, Deputy Leader, Civic Platform; Poseł na Sejm, MP

131 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:39:31am
132 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:39:39am

Libya port rebels say exporting oil, escalating standoff

reuters.com

(Reuters) - Armed protesters controlling ports in eastern Libya said on Saturday they had started independently exporting oil, bypassing the central government in a major escalation of their blockade to demand a share of the nation’s petroleum wealth.

“The rebels, who have seized three major ports since August to demand more autonomy, warned Tripoli against staging an attack to halt the oil sale after a North Korean-flagged tanker docked at Es Sider.

“A local television station controlled by protesters showed footage of pro-autonomy rebels holding a ceremony and slaughtering a camel to celebrate their first oil shipment.”

133 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:39:49am

re: #130 Justanotherhuman

From his twitter:

Minister Spraw Zagranicznych i Europejskich, Minister of Foreign and European Affairs; Wiceprzewodniczၜy PO, Deputy Leader, Civic Platform; Poseł na Sejm, MP

Ah okay. As I said, Poland’s got an important part to play here.

134 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:40:48am

re: #131 bratwurst

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Thanks again John McCain and co. Never going to forgive you for making this woman even somewhat politically relevant on a national stage. Just needed to clarify since she was governor when they picked her but not on the national stage.

135 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:41:22am
136 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:41:39am

re: #132 Justanotherhuman

Libya port rebels say exporting oil, escalating standoff

reuters.com

(Reuters) - Armed protesters controlling ports in eastern Libya said on Saturday they had started independently exporting oil, bypassing the central government in a major escalation of their blockade to demand a share of the nation’s petroleum wealth.

“The rebels, who have seized three major ports since August to demand more autonomy, warned Tripoli against staging an attack to halt the oil sale after a North Korean-flagged tanker docked at Es Sider.

“A local television station controlled by protesters showed footage of pro-autonomy rebels holding a ceremony and slaughtering a camel to celebrate their first oil shipment.”

Nice bunch of guys, selling oil to Kim Jong-un.

/dripping

137 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:41:58am

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WHERE’S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

138 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:45:28am

Is the guy who wrote the Ugandan anti-gay law a candidate in CPAC’s straw poll?

139 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:46:28am

heh…

140 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:47:58am

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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Get that bearded hippy off the stage. He wants to give free stuff to the poor.

141 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:49:16am

re: #131 bratwurst

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Oh, please. It’s bad enough having this know-nothing on the national stage and having to put up with her inanities.

Not only did Palin leave tiny Wasilla $20M in debt when she left office, there’s also what she did to the entire State of AK.

Post-Palin Alaska has largest debt burden in US

rawstory.com

“Sarah Palin has long sold herself as a fiscal conservative, arguing against the Democrats’ health overhaul on the grounds that the nation simply can’t afford it.

“But when the former vice presidential candidate resigned as governor of Alaska in the summer of 2009, she left the state with a 70 percent debt-to-GDP ratio — the highest state debt burden in the United States.

“That’s according to data compiled by the Washington Independent’s Megan Carpentier, who notes that Alaska has a debt burden similar to “that of Jordan and Palinâ⒬┢s favorite health care resource, Canada, and a higher ratio than Ghana, Cote dâ⒬┢Ivoire, India, the Philippines or Uruguay.”

142 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:50:12am

re: #131 bratwurst

Another Palin word salad coming up!

143 andres  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:51:49am

re: #75 NJDhockeyfan

Sh!t! That damn fool!

144 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:51:54am

re: #142 wheat-dogghazi

Another Palin word salad coming up!

Will there be croutons this time?

145 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:51:54am

re: #141 Justanotherhuman

Oh, please. It’s bad enough having this know-nothing on the national stage and having to put up with her inanities.

Not only did Palin leave tiny Wasilla $20M in debt when she left office, there’s also what she did to the entire State of AK.

Post-Palin Alaska has largest debt burden in US

rawstory.com

“Sarah Palin has long sold herself as a fiscal conservative, arguing against the Democrats’ health overhaul on the grounds that the nation simply can’t afford it.

“But when the former vice presidential candidate resigned as governor of Alaska in the summer of 2009, she left the state with a 70 percent debt-to-GDP ratio — the highest state debt burden in the United States.

“That’s according to data compiled by the Washington Independent’s Megan Carpentier, who notes that Alaska has a debt burden similar to “that of Jordan and Palinâ⒬┢s favorite health care resource, Canada, and a higher ratio than Ghana, Cote dâ⒬┢Ivoire, India, the Philippines or Uruguay.”

She quit on her state because she knew she was going to be called for being an incompetent by both Dems and Republicans in her home state. She prefers to stay on Fox and speak at these events because the people there love her and think our country would be paradise if we had only elected her president because she’s got common sense or something and isn’t one of those pushy “elites.”

146 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:52:24am

re: #144 Targetpractice

Will there be croutons this time?

No but it comes with a free big gulp.

147 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:54:49am

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Don’t forget the money… : )

148 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:55:32am

AP has a good roundup of the sniper claims and counter-claims
Russia, Ukraine feud over sniper carnage

149 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:55:36am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

Hmm, no.

Palin never gives away anything. Everything costs you.

150 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:56:32am

Shit.

151 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:57:22am

re: #147 Justanotherhuman

Don’t forget the money… : )

Of course, that goes without saying. A lot more money in being a professional second guesser than actually having to be held accountable for your actions at the ballot box. Palin won’t ever run for office again I think because she likes presenting this narrative to her fanbase where she’s as pure as snow and her enemies (the left and GOP establishment) are all evil people who hate children with Downs Syndrome and want to abort them and who hate “Real America.” If Palin ever ran again, the nasty person that she is would be there to see and she’d lose many of even her most deluded followers but by standing on the sidelines, she gets to grift and keep the “Saint Sarah of Wasilla” image.

152 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:57:29am

re: #131 bratwurst

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So the next question is, why did the republicans vote for borrowing that money?

153 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:58:29am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

Hmm, no.

Palin never gives away anything. Everything costs you.

More of a mocking that she thought it was classy to come out on stage last year with a big gulp than anything :). I mean I think soda restriction laws are stupid too but she made out to be the most tyrannical thing ever and there were ways around Bloomberg’s IMO silly law.

154 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:59:12am

re: #132 Justanotherhuman

Libya port rebels say exporting oil, escalating standoff

reuters.com

(Reuters) - Armed protesters controlling ports in eastern Libya said on Saturday they had started independently exporting oil, bypassing the central government in a major escalation of their blockade to demand a share of the nation’s petroleum wealth.

“The rebels, who have seized three major ports since August to demand more autonomy, warned Tripoli against staging an attack to halt the oil sale after a North Korean-flagged tanker docked at Es Sider.

“A local television station controlled by protesters showed footage of pro-autonomy rebels holding a ceremony and slaughtering a camel to celebrate their first oil shipment.”

I wonder if it’s related to this
Gaddafi Son Extradited to Libya

“[Gaddafi and his entourage] were enjoined to stay quiet and do nothing to destabilize Libya. And unfortunately, the Libyans gave us lots of information that they were not staying quiet,” Niger’s justice minister explained. “We couldn’t keep harboring people who were taking actions that destabilized Libya.”

155 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 7:59:30am

re: #152 Eventual Carrion

So the next question is, why did the republicans vote for borrowing that money?

Because Democrats held a gun to their heads and forced them to vote for it. Or so they’d like everyone to believe.

156 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:01:37am

re: #155 Targetpractice

Because Democrats held a gun to their heads and forced them to vote for it. Or so they’d like everyone to believe.

Just like Bush forced them to vote for all the items that contributed to the deficiit and then Bush said aha I’m actually a RINO and secret liberal.

157 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:03:52am

Not unexpected. Or they could just be blowing hot air.

Russia ‘may suspend nuclear arms inspections’

Russia may suspend nuclear arms inspections in a treaty with the US in reaction to Western sanctions over Ukraine, Russian news agencies quoted an unnamed defence ministry source as saying.

itv.com

158 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:05:42am

Do we know who’s giving the Keynote at Crystock err CPAC?

159 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:08:14am

A second stolen passport discovered now?

160 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:12:32am

Fuck

161 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:13:54am

re: #154 Killgore Trout

I wonder if it’s related to this
Gaddafi Son Extradited to Libya

Not directly, but the militia in question could have been looking for a way to counter the boost that the extradition of one Gaddafi’s sons brings to the national government. There is a US angle, though:

Saadi was never seen as a major part of his father’s government, and was better known for his soccer and dating exploits. He is accused, among other things, of ordering the shooting of protesters in Benghazi as well as soccer fans at a stadium in the early 2000s.

How does the start of the Libyan Revolution figure in with the US, you ask? Well, it happened in BENGHAZI!!1, so I’m sure Fox News will be making the claim and saying this extradition is bad news for Barack Obama. [groan]

162 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:15:20am

re: #160 NJDhockeyfan

Fuck

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Image: khersonmap.gif
Here’s where Kherson is on the map. Fuck indeed.

163 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:15:47am

re: #159 NJDhockeyfan

A second stolen passport discovered now?

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I’m wondering about that. It could be a sign of terrorism or something but what are the statistical chances of it just being a coincidence? 2 fake passports out of over 200 people on board. It might not be extraordinary to have a flight with 1% of the passengers with fake docs. Maybe career criminals or something.

164 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:20:04am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Image: khersonmap.gif
Here’s where Kherson is on the map. Fuck indeed.

That’s a good ways into the mainland. If Putin is taking over there, then he’s likely going for all the marbles and will try to take over Ukraine entirely.

165 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:20:49am

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

That’s a good ways into the mainland. If Putin is taking over there, then he’s likely going for all the marbles and will try to take over Ukraine entirely.

Shades of Czechoslovakia.

166 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:23:04am

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

That’s a good ways into the mainland. If Putin is taking over there, then he’s likely going for all the marbles and will try to take over Ukraine entirely.

That’s why I get nervous when both sides are talking about keeping Ukraine unified. Putin’s going to take what he wants, “unity” means he’s going to take the whole country.

167 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:28:13am
168 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:33:51am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Image: khersonmap.gif
Here’s where Kherson is on the map. Fuck indeed.

Right on the only water route out of the Ukraine to the sea.

169 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:34:20am

Lesya Orobets: Situation in Crimea Unveils Threats to the Entire World

uacrisis.org

Kyiv, 8 March 2014 - during a press briefing at the Ukrainian Crisis Media Center, Lesya Orobets, MP, said that the Crimea occupation is no longer only the Ukrainian problem, that it concerns the whole world. ‘The outbreak of the situation has unveiled the fact that the global collective security system doesn’t work’, she stated.

170 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:34:49am

re: #167 Justanotherhuman

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Of special note is the fourth from the last photo. The BTR itself is nothing special but do note that it has been dug into position. This is often done if a defensive fight is expected. The dug in APC has a lower profile than it otherwise would and its wheels are protected from shell splinters.

171 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:36:37am

So what say Putin fanboys. Still oh so rugged and masculine on horseback?

172 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:38:06am
173 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:38:20am

Forbes Distances Itself From Ukrainian Magazine As Oligarch Owner Wanted For Corruption

Family scion Miguel Forbes, who approved the Ukrainian magazine’s controversial sale to an oligarch wanted for stealing $1 billion and facing EU sanctions, has left the company.

buzzfeed.com

KIEV, Ukraine — Forbes is revoking fugitive oligarch Sergei Kurchenko’s license to publish the magazine’s Ukrainian edition as he faces billion-dollar corruption charges and European Union sanctions, and the family scion who approved the controversial deal has quit the company.

“Forbes Media spokesperson Mia Carbonell told BuzzFeed in an email early Saturday that the parent company was “in the process of revoking our license agreement” with Kurchenko’s UMH Group. Family scion Miguel Forbes, who oversaw Kurchenko’s acquisition of the license — over protests from editorial staff who believed the Ukrainian oligarch had threatened to kill them when they investigated him — left his role as company vice president at the end of last year, Carbonell said. Miguel Forbes’ previously unannounced departure to “pursue entrepreneurial ventures” was not related to the Forbes Ukraine scandal, Carbonell said.

“The statement from Forbes came in response to a BuzzFeed article, published Thursday, that detailed Kurchenko’s legal woes and cast a considerable shadow over Miguel Forbes’ decision to let Kurchenko purchase the company that owned the brand license in June 2013. (Forbes’ international editions are licensed to local publishers, but expected to meet the editorial standards of the parent publication, not unlike restaurant franchises.) “

174 Weet  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:39:03am
175 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:46:06am

re: #172 NJDhockeyfan

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Novorossiysk is a Russian Black Sea port; I imagine they’re being sent to Crimea.

176 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:47:48am

Senior US official tells @NBCNews: ‘We are aware of the reporting on the 2 stolen passports. We have not determined a nexus to terrorism yet, although it’s still very early and that’s by no means definitive. We’re still tracking’

end of alert

177 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:50:43am

re: #168 Eventual Carrion

Right on the only water route out of the Ukraine to the sea.

Not the only one, but the best one, and the Dniper runs past Kiev as well. From Kherson, Russia could send hovercraft full of troops and tanks zipping up the river into Ukraine’s capital. I doubt Putin would do that, since it would put those troops in a very dangerous position if the Ukrainians cut their supply line, but the threat of it will compel the Ukrainian government to keep its forces in Kiev in position.

178 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:54:50am

I don’t see a translate button but I believe this is a minefield courtesy of Russia.

179 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:56:03am

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t see a translate button but I believe this is a minefield courtacy of Russia.

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Čongar. The tractor dug pits in the border pillars and plate: “Beware! Zamìnovano!». pic.twitter.com/FgXsNLFKvl

180 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 8:58:04am

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t see a translate button but I believe this is a minefield courtacy of Russia.

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“Chongar. Dug tractor holes in the pillar box and a sign: “Danger! Bomb!”

Google translate. Just use the “detect language” feature to English.

translate.google.com

181 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:00:59am

re: #175 Justanotherhuman

Novorossiysk is a Russian Black Sea port; I imagine they’re being sent to Crimea.

That or further West. The Black Sea fleet as a good number of landing craft, though they’d need all of ‘em to move a force that size.

I also noted that some of those BTRs are the BTR-82A model with the low profile turret with a 14.5mm KPV machine gun replaced by a higher profile turret that per Jane’s mounts “a two-axis stabilised 30 mm 2A72 dual-feed cannon and a 7.62 mm PKTM machine gun (MG), all aimed through TKN-4GA-02 sights.” This is the same cannon type mounted on the BMP-2. The full write-up for this vehicle is here. it gives some good info about the BTR in general as well, and as such it makes good reading about the armored vehicle most often seen in the Ukraine Incursion.

182 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:04:58am

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Hey Dark, have you reread your source for the claims that you made about Debo Adegbile? Can you name that source and substantiate the allegations you made?

You’re approaching “Fox News Commentator” levels of dodging and prevarication.

183 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:06:20am

Jake Tapper is apparently a fan of Russia Today 9/11 truther Abby Martin. Isn’t that lovely.

184 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:06:58am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

AP has a good roundup of the sniper claims and counter-claims
Russia, Ukraine feud over sniper carnage

Plausible but very thin. So far.

185 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:08:27am

Fuckers are crazy.

Libya threatens to bomb North Korean oil tanker

itv.com

“Libya will bomb a North Korea-flagged oil tanker trying to load crude at an eastern port controlled by armed protesters if the vessel fails to follow orders from the navy, according to Reuters.

“The tanker will be bombed if it doesn’t follow orders when leaving (the port). This will be an environmental disaster,” Prime Minister Ali Zeidan told reporters, calling the docking of the tanker a criminal act violating Libya’s sovereignty.

“Authorities had ordered the arrest of the tanker’s crew, he said. His comments were the first government reaction since the tanker reached Es Sider port, where protesters earlier said they had started exporting oil, bypassing Tripoli. “

186 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:08:33am

re: #182 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Hey Dark, have you reread your source for the claims that you made about Debo Adegbile? Can you name that source and substantiate the allegations you made?

You’re approaching “Fox News Commentator” levels of dodging and prevarication.

Pretty clearly he was just repeating the right wing talking points. No offense, DF, but you really do do that.

187 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:10:07am

re: #182 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I screwed up. The conspiracism had already happened before Adegbile became associated with the case in 2009. As Mumia Abu-Jamal had already exhausted his appeals regarding his conviction, and his death sentence had already been commuted to life without parole, Adegbile’s advocacy amounted to little more than flogging a dead horse. But he wasn’t responsible for the original lies and conspiracy theories and I was wrong to attribute them to him.

188 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:10:48am

re: #183 Charles Johnson

Jake Tapper is apparently a fan of Russia Today 9/11 truther Abby Martin. Isn’t that lovely.

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Jake Tapper…{laughing behind my hands}

189 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:12:25am

re: #110 wheat-dogghazi

Niven’s wirehead premise predates Robinson’s by at least 12 years. It’s referenced in Ringworld, because protagonist Louis Wu is a former wirehead. Niven’s Known Space stories go back a ways.

Yep.

Just hadn’t thought about _Mindkiller_ for years. Was pointing out another SF book on the wired for ecstasy theme.

“Pleasure, it’s the only way to die.”

190 dog philosopher  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:12:35am

keep getting this question:

“how much is obamacare?”

191 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:12:37am

re: #180 Justanotherhuman

“Chongar. Dug tractor holes in the pillar box and a sign: “Danger! Bomb!”

Google translate. Just use the “detect language” feature to English.

translate.google.com

Bookmarked, thanks!

192 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:12:45am

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

I screwed up. The conspiracism had already happened before Adegbile became associated with the case in 2009. As Mumia Abu-Jamal had already exhausted his appeals regarding his conviction, and his death sentence had already been commuted to life without parole, Adegbile’s advocacy amounted to little more than flogging a dead horse. But he wasn’t responsible for the original lies and conspiracy theories and I was wrong to attribute them to him.

What about the allegation that Adegbile declared Abu-Jamal innocent? I’m unable to substantiate the claim that he ever said that Abu-Jamal was innocent. In addition, what conspiracy theories or lies did Adebgile tell? you’ve said he wasn’t responsible for the ‘original’ ones but that implies he still said them.

193 andres  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:12:57am

re: #185 Justanotherhuman

Fuckers are crazy.

Libya threatens to bomb North Korean oil tanker

itv.com

[snip]

What in the name of [insert god/goddess/spirit of your choice] is wrong in the world this week? By my account, the last Great War is still too recent to start making the third one.

Or did someone forgot to put mind-controlling fluoride in the water? //

194 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:14:17am

re: #185 Justanotherhuman

Fuckers are crazy.

Libya threatens to bomb North Korean oil tanker

itv.com

“Libya will bomb a North Korea-flagged oil tanker trying to load crude at an eastern port controlled by armed protesters if the vessel fails to follow orders from the navy, according to Reuters.

“The tanker will be bombed if it doesn’t follow orders when leaving (the port). This will be an environmental disaster,” Prime Minister Ali Zeidan told reporters, calling the docking of the tanker a criminal act violating Libya’s sovereignty.

“Authorities had ordered the arrest of the tanker’s crew, he said. His comments were the first government reaction since the tanker reached Es Sider port, where protesters earlier said they had started exporting oil, bypassing Tripoli. “

Not crazy, not at all. The national government really cannot have a rebel militia selling oil and keeping all the profits for itself, as that militia would be impossible to bring to heel. So they’ll destroy the tanker to keep its oil from being sold. While leaves the Norks on board the tanker stuck in the middle.

The US or EU should send a ship over if one can be spared to take off any North Koreans who want asylum (to include transportation to South Korea if desired). That might prevent the ship from leaving.

195 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:15:16am

re: #192 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

What about the allegation that Adegbile declared Abu-Jamal innocent? I’m unable to substantiate the claim that he ever said that Abu-Jamal was innocent. In addition, what conspiracy theories or lies did Adebgile tell? you’ve said he wasn’t responsible for the ‘original’ ones but that implies he still said them.

I was not trying to imply that last. As for the first claim, I’ll check again.

196 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:15:17am

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Do you realize the environmental disaster that would cause?

Do you?

197 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:16:41am

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

I was not trying to imply that last. As for the first claim, I’ll check again.

Can you please name your source?

198 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:17:15am
199 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:17:22am

BTW, when Piers Morgan leaves CNN in 3 wks, Tapper and another guy will be subbing the spot.

I always thought Tapper left what credibility he had in some Georgetown bar.

But that ought to end it.

200 Lidane  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:18:49am


I keep waiting for these ZOMG BUILD TEH FENCE dipshits to tell me exactly who they think is going to end up building said fence.

201 calochortus  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:19:31am

re: #200 Lidane

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I keep waiting for these ZOMG BUILD TEH FENCE dipshits to tell me exactly who they think is going to end up building said fence.

And how much they, personally, are willing to pay for it.

202 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:20:53am

re: #200 Lidane

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I keep waiting for these ZOMG BUILD TEH FENCE dipshits to tell me exactly who they think is going to end up building said fence.

What I want to know is how they don’t trust government to provide health care but they totally expect the government to round up every illegal and deport them without deporting some legal U.S residents and even citizens in the progress but then again this is the lady who has accused American Jews of “selling out” by votign for Obama. She’s not exactly sane but I want to know who’s going to build the “dang” frence too.

203 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:21:14am

re: #201 calochortus

And how much they, personally, are willing to pay for it.

WHAT MY TAXES MAY HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS!

204 calochortus  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:22:04am

re: #202 HappyWarrior

What I want to know is how they don’t trust government to provide health care but they totally expect the government to round up every illegal and deport them without deporting some legal U.S residents and even citizens in the progress but then again this is the lady who has accused American Jews of “selling out” by votign for Obama. She’s not exactly sane but I want to know who’s going to build the “dang” frence too.

As long as they’re brown, who cares? It has happened before…

205 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:22:39am

Well I’m finally getting into audiobooks on a OT note. Found a good version of Dubliners read by various Irish arts figures of note. Just got done listening to Frank McCourt read the Sisters. It’s like hearing the stories all over again when you hear them read with an Irish brogue much like Shakespeare reads much differently when you read it aloud then quietly to yourself.

206 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:23:27am

re: #204 calochortus

As long as they’re brown, who cares? It has happened before…

Yeah it has. It would skyrocket I imagine if we had the dracoian policies on immigration that Bachmann want though. Not like she cares, it’s not her family that would be hurt.

207 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:23:43am
208 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:23:43am

re: #202 HappyWarrior

What I want to know is how they don’t trust government to provide health care but they totally expect the government to round up every illegal and deport them without deporting some legal U.S residents and even citizens in the progress but then again this is the lady who has accused American Jews of “selling out” by votign for Obama. She’s not exactly sane but I want to know who’s going to build the “dang” frence too.

Government can’t do anything right! Government is the problem! But I also want government to get all them damn illegals out of ‘Murica!

209 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:24:24am

re: #197 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Can you please name your source?

Not my yet. Let me check some things, please.

210 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:24:40am

re: #201 calochortus

And how much they, personally, are willing to pay for it.

Chicken wire, 4 ft high. That’s cheap.

211 calochortus  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:25:24am

re: #210 Justanotherhuman

Chicken wire, 4 ft high. That’s cheap.

And effective!

212 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:25:51am

I mean economics aside. Do we really want ot be known as the nation that builds a damn fence to keep people out of? Do we want to be the nation that had the Statue of Liberty welcoming immigrants in New York harbor or do we want to resemble East Germany? Your move Bachmann.

213 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:26:37am

re: #196 Justanotherhuman

Do you realize the environmental disaster that would cause?

Do you?

Yes, I do. Which is why I proposed sending a ship to take off such of the tanker’s crew as wished to go. I was trying to come up with a way to de-escalate the situation.

214 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:27:44am

Obama and Putin team up to defeat the neocons or something!

Disregard the crappy Ukraine spin by the traditional media. It’s not what you think.

Though I’m told the Ukraine crisis caught Obama and Putin by surprise, the neocon determination to drive a wedge between the two leaders has been apparent for months, especially after Putin brokered a deal to head off U.S. military strikes against Syria last summer and helped get Iran to negotiate concessions on its nuclear program, both moves upsetting the neocons who had favored heightened confrontations.
….
The neocons came to recognize that the Obama-Putin tandem had become a major impediment to their strategic vision.
Without doubt, the neocons’ most dramatic - and potentially most dangerous - counter-move has been Ukraine, where they have lent their political and financial support to opposition forces who sought to break Ukraine away from its Russian neighbor.

215 calochortus  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:27:52am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

I mean economics aside. Do we really want ot be known as the nation that builds a damn fence to keep people out of? Do we want to be the nation that had the Statue of Liberty welcoming immigrants in New York harbor or do we want to resemble East Germany? Your move Bachmann.

Actually, I don’t think she’d object to that. The difference being that most countries with large fences are keeping people in. We’d be keeping them out. Sort of like a gated community-it would show how very special we are.

216 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:28:30am

re: #211 calochortus

And effective!

Yeah, but the Rs want to get by with $2/ft. ////

Idiots. Maybe we should put one up to keep Canadians out, (ooot), too? They talk funny also. : )

217 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:28:55am

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

Not my yet. Let me check some things, please.

Why can’t you name your source? Have you forgotten where you read it, or are you embarrassed because of the shitty quality of your source, or what?

I mean, your previous source for this was an absolutely contemptible article that claimed that defending the VRA was a negative, so I don’t really have that high hopes, but why, days after your original claims, are you still refusing to name your source?

What do you think you gain by obfuscating it?

218 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:29:00am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

I mean economics aside. Do we really want ot be known as the nation that builds a damn fence to keep people out of? Do we want to be the nation that had the Statue of Liberty welcoming immigrants in New York harbor or do we want to resemble East Germany? Your move Bachmann.

I’m for immigration reform, but I think we have to build the fence. For reform to work, it needs to be made easier to get into the US legally from Mexico to work, but it also needs to made much harder to get in illegally.

219 calochortus  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:29:17am

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Yes, I do. Which is why I proposed sending a ship to take off such of the tanker’s crew as wished to go. I was trying to come up with a way to de-escalate the situation.

That sounds nice, but unless the crew doesn’t have family back home it’s unlikely they’d want to be responsible for sending their relatives to a prison camp and almost certain death.

220 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:30:21am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

I’m for immigration reform, but I think we have to build the fence. For reform to work, it needs to be made easier to get into the US legally from Mexico to work, but it also needs to made much harder to get in illegally.

If you make it easier to immigrate legally, you won’t see as much illegal immigration but fair enough. I am merely saying that I do not want to be known as the country uses a fence to keep people out of it. And you get at another problem that people like Bachmann ignore, there’s another border and none of them says a word about that border. You ever wonder why?

221 Skip Intro  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:30:34am

re: #201 calochortus

And how much they, personally, are willing to pay for it.

Nobody is going to pay for it, because even if the GOP House passed a bill mandating a fence, they wouldn’t provide a dime to pay for it, and that would be all Obama’s fault.

It’s all theater for the goobers who vote for these cretins.

222 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:30:56am

re: #214 Killgore Trout

First response:

Sorry man, but Robert Parry and you are being played just as bad as those Americans who still believe the neocons.

Our Neocons suck, but they are not in charge anymore.

Russia’s version of neocons are, on the other hand, in full control in Russia.

Another response:

The missing ingredient in this diary, and, I assume, Mr. Parry’s article is evidence to support these arguments. I also fail to see where this leads to the Crimea incursion by the Russians.

Victoria Nuland distributed cookies to demonstrators in Kiev. But, how does that have anything to do with what happened in Crimea? The US has Invested $5 billion in the Ukraine over the past 20 years. I don’t think the cookies are what tipped the balance.

The US did not force this confrontation in Crimea. There was no serious challenge to Russia’s continued presence in its military bases. There are no credible reports of any attacks on Russian speaking Ukrainians. So what drove Putin to rupture the status quo in Ukraine? I’m not sure.

To understand this turbulent situation, we need more factual information. I’m afraid that this diary, like so many others over the past few days, is more speculative than factual.

Oh those whacky KOS kids! Too bad they can’t give your sort of trenchant observations, like the completely stupid and wrong claim that Russia’s business partners are mostly authoritarian regimes.

223 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:34:04am

Let me get at another point. Conservatives want this fence right? Then they should be willing to accept tax increases that would pay for such a thing. You can’t have guys like Norquist in your party appartus that resist every tax increase suggestion while wanting a massive fence along the border. It’s simply uneconomically feasible but then again I know I am dealing with an ideology that continued pushing hard for tax cuts while having two wars on our plate. Now I don’t know how Norquist personally feels about the fence but that’s not my point, my point is the Taxaphobe wing of the party i.e. Bachmann are the ones pushing loudest for said fence.

224 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:34:18am

re: #214 Killgore Trout

Obama and Putin team up to defeat the neocons or something!

Disregard the crappy Ukraine spin by the traditional media. It’s not what you think.

That ass quotes a piece that calls Hillary Clinton “a neo-con lite” and he precedes his column with this nasty little variation on the anti-Obama panel meme we’ve all seen:

Image: Ukraine.png

Thus I feel safe in concluding the writer is a moonbat.

225 Lidane  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:34:45am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

I’m for immigration reform, but I think we have to build the fence. For reform to work, it needs to be made easier to get into the US legally from Mexico to work, but it also needs to made much harder to get in illegally.

Illegal immigrants don’t just come in from Mexico. We’d have to “build the danged fence” along the Canadian border too.

226 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:35:17am

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

Hello Dark.
Left you an answer to your inquiry in a Page…

227 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:35:17am

re: #225 Lidane

Illegal immigrants don’t just come in from Mexico. We’d have to “build the danged fence” along the Canadian border too.

Or some of them come across the pond like John Derbyshire.

228 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:35:39am

re: #217 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Why can’t you name your source? Have you forgotten where you read it, or are you embarrassed because of the shitty quality of your source, or what?

I mean, your previous source for this was an absolutely contemptible article that claimed that defending the VRA was a negative, so I don’t really have that high hopes, but why, days after your original claims, are you still refusing to name your source?

What do you think you gain by obfuscating it?

Honestly, yes, I forgot where I read it.

229 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:35:54am

re: #226 Political Atheist

Hello Dark.
Left you an answer to your inquiry in a Page…

Thank you.

230 Lidane  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:36:09am

re: #221 Skip Intro

Nobody is going to pay for it, because even if the GOP House passed a bill mandating a fence, they wouldn’t provide a dime to pay for it, and that would be all Obama’s fault.

It’s all theater for the goobers who vote for these cretins.

231 andres  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:37:02am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

I’m for immigration reform, but I think we have to build the fence. For reform to work, it needs to be made easier to get into the US legally from Mexico to work, but it also needs to made much harder to get in illegally.

Problem with the fence is that it’s impractical. Not only you have to build the fence, you have to keep vigilance *and* give it maintenance. It’s better to make it more attractive to enter legally than illegally. Enough fence is the nature in the area.

232 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:37:32am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

I’m for immigration reform, but I think we have to build the fence. For reform to work, it needs to be made easier to get into the US legally from Mexico to work, but it also needs to made much harder to get in illegally.

We’ve quadrupled the Border Patrol since 2007 and built 700 miles of fence and reduced net immigration to zero.

What the fuck do you people want? I need numbers in your definition of ‘secure border.’

233 calochortus  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:38:00am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

I’m for immigration reform, but I think we have to build the fence. For reform to work, it needs to be made easier to get into the US legally from Mexico to work, but it also needs to made much harder to get in illegally.

There are a number of unintended consequences to building a fence.
The first is that it is ineffective. There are other ways to get here.
The illegals who used to come and do seasonal farm work and then go home, can’t do that any more. They have to come and stay because it is difficult and expensive to cross the border now. They often want to smuggle their family in too, because they can’t go home to visit.

The second is that the fence runs well inside the US border and essentially takes land from people who have owned for generations. Yes, it’s still “theirs” and they get to pay taxes on it, they just can’t get there.

Third, all those people dying in the desert? They used to cross at much safer, less remote locations, but they’ve been forced into much more dangerous locations. Does this discourage some? Probably, but obviously not a lot.

There are also environmental considerations that may not interest you.

234 Lidane  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:39:31am

re: #232 wrenchwench

We’ve quadrupled the Border Patrol since 2007 and built 700 miles of fence and reduced net immigration to zero.

What the fuck do you people want? I need numbers in your definition of ‘secure border.’

Sharks with frickin’ laser beams in the Rio Grande or GTFO.

235 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:39:59am

re: #234 Lidane

Sharks with frickin’ laser beams in the Rio Grande or GTFO.

We have sea bass.

236 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:40:50am

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, yes, I forgot where I read it.

I’m assuming that the source was something equivalent to NRO; how long is it going to take you to learn that those sources aren’t to be trusted? You’d think you’d have ample enough evidence not to just spread smears based on claims from these places.

Did you attempt to verify the information when you read it, or did you just happily join in on the smearing of a black civil rights lawyer because of his political affiliation without doing any due diligence to check the facts?

237 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:41:34am

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

That ass quotes a piece that calls Hillary Clinton “a neo-con lite” and he precedes his column with this nasty little variation on the anti-Obama panel meme we’ve all seen:

Image: Ukraine.png

Thus I feel safe in concluding the writer is a moonbat.

It’s kind of similar to Oliver Stone’s view of JFK: The president is a peace loving partner with the Russians but he’s surrounded and thwarted by a secret shadow government pushing for global war.

238 Lidane  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:41:59am

Heh.

239 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:42:06am

re: #233 calochortus

Third, all those people dying in the desert? They used to cross at much safer, less remote locations, but they’ve been forced into much more dangerous locations. Does this discourage some? Probably, but obviously not a lot.

This.

Those people dying are often long-term residents of the US, who went ‘home’ to see their dying mother or something, and then needed to get back to their real home and their family.

All those deaths would end if people could go back and forth legally.

240 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:42:15am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

I mean economics aside. Do we really want ot be known as the nation that builds a damn fence to keep people out of? Do we want to be the nation that had the Statue of Liberty welcoming immigrants in New York harbor or do we want to resemble East Germany? Your move Bachmann.

Two famous walls built. Chinese wall and Berlin wall. We should be more like Russia (USSR maybe) and China. Good thing we aren’t communist.

241 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:42:26am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

I’m for immigration reform, but I think we have to build the fence. For reform to work, it needs to be made easier to get into the US legally from Mexico to work, but it also needs to made much harder to get in illegally.

You realize that ‘harder’ in this case also means that more people will die in the crossing, more coyotes will make money off of the desperate, and the actual end result will be a small—if any—reduction in undocumented immigrants coming in, right?

242 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:44:09am

re: #236 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Obdi, stop. I’m done on this one and you’ve won. I have real world things to do I’ve already pushed back half an hour to answer you.

BBL

243 Lidane  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:44:10am

re: #241 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You realize that ‘harder’ in this case also means that more people will die in the crossing, more coyotes will make money off of the desperate, and the actual end result will be a small—if any—reduction in undocumented immigrants coming in, right?

“Build the danged fence!” is about as effective and practical as “Drug test teh poors before they get welfare!”

In both cases it’s a lot of money wasted for minimal results.

244 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:45:14am

Two enter, one leaves with his tail between his legs…

245 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:47:14am

re: #242 Dark_Falcon

Obdi, stop. I’m done on this one and you’ve won. I have real world things to do I’ve already pushed back half an hour to answer you.

BBL

I’m not trying to ‘win’, Dark. I’m trying to get you to change your behavior and stop spreading baseless smears because you read something on NRO one time. I want you to consider your own behavior and work to change it and become a better person, since I know that you fundamentally value honesty and you continually put yourself in the position of lying purely to protect your partisan side. They don’t deserve it.

246 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:48:08am

Ukraine border guards patrol plane comes under fire

A Ukrainian border patrol plane came under fire while flying at about 1,000 metres (3000 feet) near the administrative border with Russian-occupied Crimea on Saturday, the border guards said.

No one was hurt when gunmen opened fire on the unarmed aircraft, a spokesman said. The Diamond light aircraft was flying three crew on an observation mission, the spokesman said.

247 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:52:04am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

We have sea bass.

Are they ill-tempered?

248 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:54:12am

re: #247 Targetpractice

Are they ill-tempered?

I hear they have a good beat…

249 calochortus  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:56:25am

re: #243 Lidane

“Build the danged fence!” is about as effective and practical as “Drug test teh poors before they get welfare!”

In both cases it’s a lot of money wasted for minimal results.

It’s good theater in both cases.

250 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:57:19am
251 dog philosopher  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 9:59:19am

border fence

if we allowed legal immigration from mexico equivalent to the number of jobs waiting for them here, THERE WOULDN’T BE ANY NEED FOR A FUCKING FENCE

since it is radically less of a life threatening pain in the ass to come in legally

it’s only the refusal to recognize that there are over 10 million jobs in this country that are only appealing to poor people from mexico that makes illegal immigration a problem

252 bubba zanetti  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 10:00:09am

re: #30 wheat-dogghazi

There was another flight not long ago, Air France I think, that went down in the Atlantic off the coast of South America. They suspect some problems with the avionics, which led the pilots to believe the plane was OK while flying on instruments but in fact was approaching stall speed.

That was Air France 477, an Airbus 330. Though there seemed to be some problems with the speed readings, the pilots had stalled the plane and for some reason did not react to the stall warnings.

253 dog philosopher  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 10:01:55am

paul ryan to poor kids:

just get better parents and you’ll be fine!

why should we reward you for your poor choice of parents?

254 Lidane  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 10:01:57am


Youtube Video

255 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 10:02:20am

Trouble in gun show paradise:

256 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 10:08:01am

re: #254 Lidane

[Embedded content]


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God I hate it when milk shoots out of my nose when I laugh hard.

257 Skip Intro  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 10:41:34am

re: #234 Lidane

Sharks with frickin’ laser beams in the Rio Grande or GTFO.

Freepers would tell you that you need machine gun towers every couple of hundred yards.

Come to think of it, that’s pretty much what some Texas politician proposed just last week.

258 EPR-radar  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 11:42:42am

re: #232 wrenchwench

We’ve quadrupled the Border Patrol since 2007 and built 700 miles of fence and reduced net immigration to zero.

What the fuck do you people want? I need numbers in your definition of ‘secure border.’

The fence is bullshit. If the US ever gets serious about dealing will illegal immigration, employer sanctions for hiring illegal immigrants will be put in place (and enforced) that have real teeth.

This will happen about three weeks after we have a bipartisan agreement on climate change that both Exxon and the Sierra Club sign off on.

259 palomino  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 1:31:23pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout

Obama and Putin team up to defeat the neocons or something!

Disregard the crappy Ukraine spin by the traditional media. It’s not what you think.

How dare that asshole writer question the wisdom of the neoconservative project. It’s been a smashing success. (Just ask Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bill Kristol and its other old dying dinosaur champions; they’ll tell you about its greatness.)

The evidence is overwhelming: our foreign policy 2001-2009 was just about perfect in every way𠉭id anything go wrong at all during that period? And of course the neocon philosophy has overwhelming support among the American public. And it still does! Just ask the Fox News All-Stars.

260 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 2:14:00pm

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

I’m for immigration reform, but I think we have to build the fence. For reform to work, it needs to be made easier to get into the US legally from Mexico to work, but it also needs to made much harder to get in illegally.

As wrenchwench pointed out in her #232, much has already been done. I’m a native of south central Texas and I can tell you that no barrier short of something that really is like the Berlin Wall (armed guardss/patrols, shoot to kill, etc.) would be able to keep people out. Even then. some would get through.

Mexico is a rich country in terms of resources, but it is massively and deeply corrupt. We can’t change that and people aren’t going stop trying to come over here where they at least have a chance at a better life.

The only way to stop them would probably be to take away the opportunity—not by trying to seal the entire 1,954 mile U.S.-Mexico border (PDF map showing miles), but by removing the jobs they come here for. That, of course, would involve the states and/or federal government harshly penalizing businesses that hire undocumented workers.

Hmm, let’s see… of the four border states, three have Republican governors, so I don’t think state regulations that penalize businesses would be in the cards for 75% of the border, and congressional Republicans would be highly unlikely to help pass any federal legislation in that regard. Oh, and if by some magic it did pass and all that cheap labor dried up, suddnely causing the prices of all kinds of things to skyrocket? It wouldn’t be long before the very same people grousing about immigrants began wailing about the tyranny of big government


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