This is something Rachel Maddow does very well — take the time to go into a complex subject in enough depth to really be informative; in this case, it’s a good look into the Radical Racist Context Missed in the Bundy Ranch Hype.
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Kragar Apr 25, 2014 2:50:10pm |
Sovereign citizens are domestic terrorists and need to be treated as such.
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 2:53:10pm |
re: #1 Kragar
Sovereign citizens are domestic terrorists and need to be treated as such.
Aaaaaand we’re done here.
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Shiplord Kirel Apr 25, 2014 2:54:57pm |
I wonder if the feds knew going in that Bundy was a racist freakazoid and he would discredit himself if they backed away and gave him some time after giving him a global platform with the initital confrontation? I would be very pleased if that were the case; it would show that the real authorities are willing to play political hardball with these kooks. This is a game in which the latter are completely outclassed.
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Kragar Apr 25, 2014 2:55:04pm |
Any law enforcement officer with ties to the CSPOA needs to be suspended and put up for review.
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 2:56:22pm |
re: #3 Shiplord Kirel
I wonder if the feds knew going in that Bundy was a racist freakazoid and he would discredit himself if they backed away and gave him some time after giving him a global platform with the initital confrontation? I would be very pleased if that were the case; it would show that the real authorities are willing to play political hardball with these kooks. This is a game in which the latter are completely outclassed.
They can bring all the guns they want to the table, but in a battle of wits, they are completely unarmed.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Apr 25, 2014 2:59:39pm |
re: #4 Kragar
Any law enforcement officer with ties to the CSPOA needs to be suspended and put up for review.
To me, that’s the most troubling aspect of the whole subculture. Just what we need is a bunch of wackos winding up in places of real power doing whatever the fuck they want. Accountability and therefore checks & balances go out the window once they decide they don’t answer to any authority other than the ones they invent / hallucinate.
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Lidane Apr 25, 2014 3:00:23pm |
re: #3 Shiplord Kirel
I don’t know if the feds knew about Bundy’s racist attitudes, but they’re not blind and they’re not as dumb as the yahoos think they are. I’m sure they looked at the militias and idiots that were going to descend on Bundy Ranch and decided that it wasn’t worth a firefight. Just back off, let them think they won, and then let them hang themselves by getting overconfident.
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Kragar Apr 25, 2014 3:07:25pm |
re: #6 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
To me, that’s the most troubling aspect of the whole subculture. Just what we need is a bunch of wackos winding up in places of real power doing whatever the fuck they want. Accountability and therefore checks & balances go out the window once they decide they don’t answer to any authority other than the ones they invent / hallucinate.
The whole idea of one of the good ole boys becoming the Town sheriff should be enough to make anyone sit up and realize just how fucked up that scenario is.
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jaunte Apr 25, 2014 3:07:54pm |
re: #7 Lidane
Just back off, let them think they won, and then let them hang themselves by getting overconfident.
Exhibit A, their fearless leader.
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jaunte Apr 25, 2014 3:10:35pm |
re: #6 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
To me, that’s the most troubling aspect of the whole subculture. Just what we need is a bunch of wackos winding up in places of real power doing whatever the fuck they want. Accountability and therefore checks & balances go out the window once they decide they don’t answer to any authority other than the ones they invent / hallucinate.
Here’s one example of what happens:
On Friday, the ACLU settled a class action lawsuit, pending court approval, against officials in the East Texas town of Tenaha and Shelby County over the rampant practice of stopping and searching drivers, almost always Black or Latino, and often seizing their cash and other valuable property. The money seized by officers during these stops went directly into department coffers. It was highway robbery, targeting those who could least afford to challenge the officers’ abuse of power, under the guise of a so-called “drug interdiction” program and made possible by Texas’s permissive civil asset forfeiture laws.
aclu.org
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darthstar Apr 25, 2014 3:13:07pm |
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Kragar Apr 25, 2014 3:13:22pm |
If the options were Posse Comitatus or Street Judges, sign me up for Street Judges
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DKoch Apr 25, 2014 3:13:42pm |
It’s been a pretty disastrous week for Rand Paul and the glibertarins, with Snowden embracing Putin, Paul’s Reagan tapes surfacing, and now Bundy blowing up in their faces.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 25, 2014 3:18:55pm |
@sxmguns Still racist. The patronizing idea that minority votes are influenced by the pittance welfare offers is retarded. #BundyRanch— GDF (@goddamnedfrank) April 25, 2014
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darthstar Apr 25, 2014 3:20:14pm |
re: #14 DKoch
It’s been a pretty disastrous week for Rand Paul and the glibertarins, with Snowden embracing Putin, Paul’s Reagan tapes surfacing, and now Bundy blowing up in their faces.
I thought Snowden said unkind things about Putin…did he flip flop again? It’s amazing what a ball-gag, nipple clamps, and hot oil drip will do for one’s opinion of Vlad.
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 3:20:50pm |
re: #15 goddamnedfrank
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Right. It says that not only are minorities so venal that they prostitute themselves for money, but worse that they’re really cheap whores.
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 3:22:14pm |
re: #16 darthstar
I thought Snowden said unkind things about Putin…did he flip flop again? It’s amazing what a ball-gag, nipple clamps, and hot oil drip will do for one’s opinion of Vlad.
He was on that Russian state propaganda Q-and-A with Vlad the Ripped.
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 3:24:01pm |
re: #17 GeneJockey
Right. It says that not only are minorities so venal that they prostitute themselves for money, but worse that they’re really cheap whores.
And further, because these benefits are equally available to white people, but (conservatives presume) but only minorities take them, this venality is peculiar to minorities, while white people are morally superior.
All this racism is implicit in the claim that Democrats buy minority votes with welfare and food stamps.
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calochortus Apr 25, 2014 3:24:17pm |
re: #15 goddamnedfrank
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From the comments (Bolding mine):
Do you remember the Freedom Riders? Busloads of white kids from up north going down to Dixie to stand with their black brothers and sisters for freedom? Imagine a few busloads of black people, doesn’t have to be kids, just folks who know better than the trash the Progressives are talking, going out to Nevada to stand with the Bundy’s and their supporters. Imagine a few dozen or a few hundred. Remember the pictures the other day with the BLM goons and their dogs? Remind you of anything? Imagine the photo ops with black folk standing with their white brothers and sisters. I know BLM has pulled back for now, but if somebody could pull something like that off, what a statement.
Yeah, the only problem will be getting those busloads of black people who agree with Bundy.
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darthstar Apr 25, 2014 3:24:39pm |
re: #18 thedopefishlives
He was on that Russian state propaganda Q-and-A with Vlad the Ripped.
I remember that…then there was a committee-written Op Ed with Snowden’s name on it where “he” (wink, wink) said he was disappointed with Putin’s response. Since then…silence. Funny how that happens.
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Romantic Heretic Apr 25, 2014 3:28:36pm |
re: #1 Kragar
Sovereign citizens are domestic terrorists and need to be treated as such.
Every time I saw a crowd shot of those nuts I couldn’t help but think, “Nice of them to bunch up like that.”
There’s going to be violence soon because it only takes one side to start a fight.
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NJDhockeyfan Apr 25, 2014 3:30:43pm |
Dad With Alzheimer's Gets His Speech Back When He Sees His Dog http://t.co/wl4yHepNZc— Korina K Kuster (@nenelilly) April 25, 2014
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goddamnedfrank Apr 25, 2014 3:30:49pm |
The reason why the vast majority of black voters cast their votes for Democratic candidates is because Republicans and conservatives still hold their entire ethnicity in thinly veiled contempt.
The whole liberal plantation concept is itself massively insulting to black voters, as it posits their support can be bought by the appallingly low sums of financial support offered by minimum wage jobs, food stamps and welfare. It’s not that Democrats support these programs, it’s that Republicans policy positions are inhumanly cruel and sociopathic.
Republicans have major players lining up for 2016 with track records of opposing the 1960’s civil rights acts. People who believe it would be preferable, legally, if we went back to a country that allowed segregation in public accommodations.
Looking a party which harbors that kind of fuckfaced dumbshittery almost any thinking, well adjusted empathic person would stand up and just walk away.
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Charles Johnson Apr 25, 2014 3:31:35pm |
Cliven Bundy’s Daughter Slams Sean Hannity | Mother Jones
Meanwhile, Bundy’s daughter, Shiree Bundy Cox, is striking back at conservatives who have turned tail on Bundy, especially Hannity. In a Facebook post Thursday night, she accused Hannity of abandoning her father and pandering to ratings. Here’s a snippet:
I’m sure most of you have heard the news about my dad being called a racist. Wow! The media loves to take things out of context don’t they? First off I’d just like to say that my dad has never been the most eloquent speaking person. Like someone said, he’s a Moses who needs an Aaron to speak for him. This is true. Second, however, is that the media has turned this into a circus side show. It’s like their trying to throw us off the real subject. Why was this ever even brought up? What does this have to do with land rights issues? Sean Hannity was all for reporting the happenings at the Bundy Ranch until this popped up. I wonder if someone hoped it would be that way…By the way, I think Mr. Hannity is more worried about his ratings than he really is about what my dad said. If he supports a supposed racist, what will that do to his ratings? He’s already lost his #1 spot on Fox.
Cox, who is one of 14 children, also suggested that the controversy concerning Bundy’s racist comments had somehow been orchestrated to undermine her father’s cause:
Glenn Beck was never 100% on board with my dad, but now he has an excuse to distance himself even farther. Could there be people out there who want it that way? Get the un main stream media out of the way from reporting this situation in a positive light and the battle is more than won for the opposing side…Again I’d like to ask, “What does my dad’s opinion on the state of the Blacks on welfare have to do with the land rights issue?” Nothing! It’s a detouring tactic. It’s taking away from the real issues and what has been accomplished. The mainstream media want this to happen to make people deviate from the real important things and focus on a comment that has absolutely no relevance. It’s a tactic that has been used for decades. I hope people will see this for what it really is.
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Romantic Heretic Apr 25, 2014 3:32:16pm |
Every time I hear the phrase ‘sovereign citizen’ I think of this video from the SPLC.
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Skip Intro Apr 25, 2014 3:32:29pm |
NRA’s Wayne LaPierre puts out a calming message to the nation.
Freedom has never needed our defense more than now. Almost everywhere you look, something has gone wrong. You feel it in your heart, you know it in your gut. Something has gone wrong. The core values we believe in, the things we care about most, are changing. Eroding. Our right to speak. Our right to gather. Our right to privacy. The freedom to work, and practice our religion, and raise and protect our families the way we see fit. Those aren’t old values. They aren’t new values. They are core freedoms, the core values that have always defined us as a nation. And we feel them — we feel them — slipping away.
We know, in the world that surrounds us, there are terrorists and home invaders and drug cartels and carjackers and knockout gamers and rapers [sic], haters, campus killers, airport killers, shopping mall killers, road-rage killers, and killers who scheme to destroy our country with massive storms of violence against our power grids, or vicious waves of chemicals or disease that could collapse the society that sustains us all. I ask you. Do you trust this government to protect you? We are on our own.
This election is going to be a bare-knuckled street fight. They’re going after every House and Senate seat, governor’s chair and statehouse they can get their hands on — laying the groundwork to put a Clinton back in the White House. They intend to finish the job, to fulfill their commitment — their dream — of fundamentally transforming America into an America you won’t recognize. But mark my words: The NRA will not go quietly into the night. We will fight.
Oh, and buy more guns. Lots of guns. Even if you can’t afford it, because can you afford not to?
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goddamnedfrank Apr 25, 2014 3:33:19pm |
re: #17 GeneJockey
Right. It says that not only are minorities so venal that they prostitute themselves for money, but worse that they’re really cheap whores.
These assholes either have no idea how much worse their whitewashing attempts make them look, or they don’t care.
It’s probably the latter, just another right wing shibboleth. The telling and acceptance of just another insane lie as a kind of secret handshake, to tell who’s still on board with the movement and who’s “other.”
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jaunte Apr 25, 2014 3:34:06pm |
re: #25 Charles Johnson
Why did the media let my dad shoot himself in the foot?
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calochortus Apr 25, 2014 3:36:38pm |
re: #25 Charles Johnson
She’s right in that Bundy’s racial views have absolutely nothing to do with the fact he is a deadbeat moocher. Beyond that, what is her point?
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 3:36:58pm |
re: #25 Charles Johnson
14 children? Crikey. Must be one of those quiverfull types.
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calochortus Apr 25, 2014 3:37:38pm |
re: #32 thedopefishlives
14 children? Crikey. Must be one of those quiverfull types.
Mormon, I think.
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darthstar Apr 25, 2014 3:37:50pm |
“Dude my SOTU response was WAY worse!” MT @AlexConant: Backstage at @NRA in Indianapolis: @BobbyJindal & @marcorubio pic.twitter.com/xLWFyn2oXx— Tommy Vietor (@TVietor08) April 25, 2014
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Pie-onist Overlord Apr 25, 2014 3:38:34pm |
Hannity has egg on his face and shit all over his shoes and HOW COULD HE NOT SEE THIS COMING??
You could ask “how could TEH LIBRUL MEDIA not see this coming?” The answer is they already wrote off this guy as a nutbag and weren’t paying much attention to him, but Hannity had him on twice as much as any other media outlet including Fox.
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EPR-radar Apr 25, 2014 3:38:36pm |
It is helpful to note that there have been exactly two periods in US history where large numbers of US citizens had a serious beef with the Federal government itself.
The Civil War era and the Civil Rights era.
So I regard vehement anti-Federalism as basically neo-Confederacy with a thin veneer of deniability.
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freetoken Apr 25, 2014 3:40:50pm |
re: #3 Shiplord Kirel
I wonder if the feds knew going in that Bundy was a racist freakazoid …
Of course the feds knew…
What do you think the NSA is for?
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Pie-onist Overlord Apr 25, 2014 3:40:50pm |
Doubling down on Teh Stupid
What Bundy said wasn’t racist. It was factually wrong, but that doesn’t make Bundy a racist @Clarknt67 @markos http://t.co/I3TzdAFbsZ #tcot— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) April 24, 2014
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darthstar Apr 25, 2014 3:41:27pm |
Even makes a corgi look like an idiot.
Google glass pic.twitter.com/Eua5GeBXHD— Cute Emergency (@CuteEmergency) April 25, 2014
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Skip Intro Apr 25, 2014 3:41:53pm |
Guns Everywhere encourages Georgia Congressional candidate to show off his personal cannon.
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Targetpractice Apr 25, 2014 3:42:08pm |
re: #31 calochortus
She’s right in that Bundy’s racial views have absolutely nothing to do with the fact he is a deadbeat moocher. Beyond that, what is her point?
Something I’ve noticed to be the undercurrent to a lot of wingnuts since yesterday, namely the all but spoken accusation that the media purposefully maneuvered Bundy into saying something stupid or insensitive in order to destroy support for him. Which, in a way, is an acknowledgment that, despite their claims to the contrary, support for the man’s cause depended on the man being marketable.
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Killgore Trout Apr 25, 2014 3:42:58pm |
Putin still not living by honor of hashtag
Exclusive: Putin Halts All Talks With White House
As new U.S. sanctions against Russia loom, the Kremlin has shut down—at least for now—intensive high level communications between top U.S. and Russian officials.
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 3:43:27pm |
re: #27 Skip Intro
NRA’s Wayne LaPierre puts out a calming message to the nation.
>Freedom has never needed our defense more than now. Almost everywhere you look, something has gone wrong. You feel it in your heart, you know it in your gut. Something has gone wrong. The core values we believe in, the things we care about most, are changing. Eroding. Our right to speak. Our right to gather. Our right to privacy. The freedom to work, and practice our religion, and raise and protect our families the way we see fit. Those aren’t old values. They aren’t new values. They are core freedoms, the core values that have always defined us as a nation. And we feel them — we feel them — slipping away.
>We know, in the world that surrounds us, there are terrorists and home invaders and drug cartels and carjackers and knockout gamers and rapers [sic], haters, campus killers, airport killers, shopping mall killers, road-rage killers, and killers who scheme to destroy our country with massive storms of violence against our power grids, or vicious waves of chemicals or disease that could collapse the society that sustains us all. I ask you. Do you trust this government to protect you? We are on our own.
>This election is going to be a bare-knuckled street fight. They’re going after every House and Senate seat, governor’s chair and statehouse they can get their hands on — laying the groundwork to put a Clinton back in the White House. They intend to finish the job, to fulfill their commitment — their dream — of fundamentally transforming America into an America you won’t recognize. But mark my words: The NRA will not go quietly into the night. We will fight.
Oh, and buy more guns. Lots of guns. Even if you can’t afford it, because can you afford not to?
“in your heart, you know he’s right.”
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wrenchwench Apr 25, 2014 3:43:39pm |
That damned liberal mainstream media with their recording devices that take down all the words spoken by the person who grabs the mike.
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The Ghost of a Flea Apr 25, 2014 3:43:48pm |
Anybody else find this whole posse comitatus/sovereign citizen thing terrifying before you add in the long racist legacy?
Because its sounds like a formula for a tiny oligarchy to just have a sheriff with no oversight. Sure, “the people” are supposed to be the watchmen…but that hasn’t stopped Joe Arpaio from running rougtshod over people’s rights. You’ve got this little terrarium-scale social system in which implicit networks—everybody knowing everybody, “good ‘ole boys” network, etc—can subvert the explicit structure of how things should work (even by emic standards), and there’s really no remedy if the implicit network systems fouls things. To say nothing of this micro-state system of sheriffs means that being an outsider is a giant liability.
If you then fold in the historical precedents, the picture gets even worse. Enclose so much authority in such small, manipulable package and you get rump feudalism. We have a huge, problematic history with this in this country—Jim Crow was all about collusion between legal authorities building a discriminatory system and extralegal actors who enforced discrimination with intimidation and violence. It wasn’t a coincidence that the South was anti-federalist, anti-“big government.”
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jaunte Apr 25, 2014 3:43:49pm |
WTF Friday! Texas Nationalists are beginning to doubt your commitment to Texas Nationalism, notes @cd_hooks: http://t.co/7IPUgf5TEV
— Patrick Michels (@PatrickMichels) April 25, 2014
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Pie-onist Overlord Apr 25, 2014 3:46:26pm |
This meme is a spoof, but how long before TCOT start tweeting it seriously?
A Moment in #TeaBagger #tcot History via @ArmchairPatriots pic.twitter.com/MgQ6nhbhru— Def Jeff (@eqracer) March 1, 2013
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Killgore Trout Apr 25, 2014 3:47:30pm |
Assad won’t honor hashtag either
Western intel suggests Syria can still produce chemical arms
Syria maintains an ability to deploy chemical weapons, diplomats say, citing intelligence from Britain, France and the United States that could strengthen allegations Syria’s military recently used chlorine gas in its bloody civil war.
…
“We are convinced, and we have some intelligence showing, that they have not declared everything,” a senior Western diplomat told Reuters, adding that the intelligence had come from Britain, France and the United States.When asked how much of its program Syria has kept hidden, the diplomat said: “It’s substantial.” He offered no details.
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EPR-radar Apr 25, 2014 3:48:02pm |
re: #27 Skip Intro
NRA’s Wayne LaPierre puts out a calming message to the nation.
Wayne LaPierre needs to shut up before he chokes on his own bile.
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calochortus Apr 25, 2014 3:48:38pm |
re: #27 Skip Intro
>We know, in the world that surrounds us, there are terrorists and home invaders and drug cartels and carjackers and knockout gamers and rapers [sic], haters, campus killers, airport killers, shopping mall killers, road-rage killers, and killers who scheme to destroy our country with massive storms of violence against our power grids, or vicious waves of chemicals or disease that could collapse the society that sustains us all. I ask you. Do you trust this government to protect you? We are on our own.
Has Mr. LaPierre considered moving to a better neighborhood? I mean, there is some crime everywhere, but I really don’t fear for my life when I go to the grocery store like he apparently does.
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jaunte Apr 25, 2014 3:48:56pm |
re: #45 The Ghost of a Flea
One example: the city government of the small town of Kemah, Texas is pretty well wholly-owned by this guy:
forbes.com
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EPR-radar Apr 25, 2014 3:49:28pm |
re: #48 Pie-onist Overlord
This meme is a spoof, but how long before TCOT start tweeting it seriously?
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RWNJs will get wrapped around the axle trying to decide if Lincoln is a hero or villain.
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Lidane Apr 25, 2014 3:49:47pm |
“I’ve got a clear shot at four of them.” http://t.co/9mQxqbzpcw #ClivenBundy pic.twitter.com/bTNC4rM3Mk— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) April 24, 2014
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Decatur Deb Apr 25, 2014 3:50:17pm |
re: #3 Shiplord Kirel
I wonder if the feds knew going in that Bundy was a racist freakazoid and he would discredit himself if they backed away and gave him some time after giving him a global platform with the initital confrontation? I would be very pleased if that were the case; it would show that the real authorities are willing to play political hardball with these kooks. This is a game in which the latter are completely outclassed.
It was a squatter eviction. The good guys aren’t that good.
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Targetpractice Apr 25, 2014 3:50:21pm |
re: #54 Lidane
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Weren’t we having a discussion the other night about how the guy probably wasn’t pointing his gun at anybody?
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 3:52:03pm |
re: #41 Targetpractice
Something I’ve noticed to be the undercurrent to a lot of wingnuts since yesterday, namely the all but spoken accusation that the media purposefully maneuvered Bundy into saying something stupid or insensitive in order to destroy support for him. Which, in a way, is an acknowledgment that, despite their claims to the contrary, support for the man’s cause depended on the man being marketable.
They’re flailing.
They had an Icon, a rancher in a white cowboy hat, riding a horse, waving the symbol of the country he doesn’t believe exists flag. He was marketable - that’s exactly it. And that was a lot of his appeal, and why a lot of wingnuts were overlooking what his position actually is.
Now? he’s shot himself in the foot they put in their own mouths, to torture a metaphor. Some who were cautious enough have been able to claim they never supported him anyway (I’m looking at YOU, Kraphammer), some are trying to simultaneously denounce Bundy AND shift the conversation (Hannity, that’d be you), and a lot are mystified why this guy, who’s saying what they all think, is being pilloried. But even they sense the momentum slipping away.
Give them a day, and Frank Luntz or a Luntz Equivalent to put out a talking point they can all gather around. Right now they’re throwing up trial balloons.
First it was “I don’t believe he said it. Prove it!” The video killed that one.
Then it was “You took that out of context!”, but his inability to shut up killed that one.
Now it’s “The Librul Media tricked him into talking!”, but I don’t see that one working out either.
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Lidane Apr 25, 2014 3:52:36pm |
re: #56 Targetpractice
Weren’t we having a discussion the other night about how the guy probably wasn’t pointing his gun at anybody?
According to the photographer that was there, he had four different officers in his line of sight.
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Decatur Deb Apr 25, 2014 3:53:29pm |
re: #45 The Ghost of a Flea
Anybody else find this whole posse comitatus/sovereign citizen thing terrifying before you add in the long racist legacy?
Because its sounds like a formula for a tiny oligarchy to just have a sheriff with no oversight. Sure, “the people” are supposed to be the watchmen…but that hasn’t stopped Joe Arpaio from running rougtshod over people’s rights. You’ve got this little terrarium-scale social system in which implicit networks—everybody knowing everybody, “good ‘ole boys” network, etc—can subvert the explicit structure of how things should work (even by emic standards), and there’s really no remedy if the implicit network systems fouls things. To say nothing of this micro-state system of sheriffs means that being an outsider is a giant liability.
If you then fold in the historical precedents, the picture gets even worse. Enclose so much authority in such small, manipulable package and you get rump feudalism. We have a huge, problematic history with this in this country—Jim Crow was all about collusion between legal authorities building a discriminatory system and extralegal actors who enforced discrimination with intimidation and violence. It wasn’t a coincidence that the South was anti-federalist, anti-“big government.”
The Sovereigns are just another shade of Bosses’ Goons. They’re the Klan with an economic fantasy, union busters with a soft spot for gold. All of these assholes are why the lefties need the 2nd Amendment, too.
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Romantic Heretic Apr 25, 2014 3:55:19pm |
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TedStriker Apr 25, 2014 3:55:59pm |
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 3:56:11pm |
re: #59 DKoch
>RAWKS
I don’t care if she DOES bat for the other team. Any woman that smart, and that good at what she does, is HAWT!
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TedStriker Apr 25, 2014 3:58:15pm |
re: #25 Charles Johnson
Cliven Bundy’s Daughter Slams Sean Hannity | Mother Jones
Cox, who is one of 14 children, also suggested that the controversy concerning Bundy’s racist comments had somehow been orchestrated to undermine her father’s cause:
Bigoted nuts don’t fall far from the tree, do they?
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Decatur Deb Apr 25, 2014 3:58:18pm |
re: #40 Skip Intro
Guns Everywhere encourages Georgia Congressional candidate to show off his personal cannon.
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It’s a cheap fake. So’s the cannon.
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 3:59:51pm |
re: #60 Decatur Deb
The Sovereigns are just another shade of Bosses’ Goons. They’re the Klan with an economic fantasy, union busters with a soft spot for gold. All of these assholes are why the lefties need the 2nd Amendment, too.
They’re the half of the working class Jay Gould bragged he could pay to murder the other half.
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NJDhockeyfan Apr 25, 2014 4:00:29pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
Putin still not living by honor of hashtag
Exclusive: Putin Halts All Talks With White House
#hashtag diplomacy is not working. Time for a #hashtagreset.
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Archangelus Apr 25, 2014 4:01:27pm |
re: #48 Pie-onist Overlord
This meme is a spoof, but how long before TCOT start tweeting it seriously?
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I give it less than 24 hours. I also wanna say that seeing that happen would reduce my faith in humanity, but the type of shmucks who would have already done that loooooong ago…
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goddamnedfrank Apr 25, 2014 4:01:41pm |
That Gordon Kahl / Posse Comitatus anti-tax asshole Rachel mentions, who died in a shootout in Arkansas.
Yeah … I’m related to him.
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calochortus Apr 25, 2014 4:02:34pm |
re: #69 goddamnedfrank
That Gordon Kahl / Posse Comitatus anti-tax asshole Rachel mentions, who died in a shootout in Arkansas.
Yeah … I’m related to him.
Distantly, I trust.
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TedStriker Apr 25, 2014 4:03:13pm |
re: #27 Skip Intro
NRA’s Wayne LaPierre puts out a calming message to the nation.
>Freedom has never needed our defense more than now. Almost everywhere you look, something has gone wrong. You feel it in your heart, you know it in your gut. Something has gone wrong. The core values we believe in, the things we care about most, are changing. Eroding. Our right to speak. Our right to gather. Our right to privacy. The freedom to work, and practice our religion, and raise and protect our families the way we see fit. Those aren’t old values. They aren’t new values. They are core freedoms, the core values that have always defined us as a nation. And we feel them — we feel them — slipping away.
>We know, in the world that surrounds us, there are terrorists and home invaders and drug cartels and carjackers and knockout gamers and rapers [sic], haters, campus killers, airport killers, shopping mall killers, road-rage killers, and killers who scheme to destroy our country with massive storms of violence against our power grids, or vicious waves of chemicals or disease that could collapse the society that sustains us all. I ask you. Do you trust this government to protect you? We are on our own.
>This election is going to be a bare-knuckled street fight. They’re going after every House and Senate seat, governor’s chair and statehouse they can get their hands on — laying the groundwork to put a Clinton back in the White House. They intend to finish the job, to fulfill their commitment — their dream — of fundamentally transforming America into an America you won’t recognize. But mark my words: The NRA will not go quietly into the night. We will fight.
Oh, and buy more guns. Lots of guns. Even if you can’t afford it, because can you afford not to?
Wow, not wasting any time hitting all those dogwhisles and paranoid talking point, are you, Wayne?
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Decatur Deb Apr 25, 2014 4:03:17pm |
re: #69 goddamnedfrank
That Gordon Kahl / Posse Comitatus anti-tax asshole Rachel mentions, who died in a shootout in Arkansas.
Yeah … I’m related to him.
How was Thanksgiving dinner?
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goddamnedfrank Apr 25, 2014 4:04:59pm |
re: #20 calochortus
From the comments (Bolding mine):
Yeah, the only problem will be getting those busloads of black people who agree with Bundy.
And there’s also the racism of openly wanting to use a few black people purely as a visual prop, instead of say altering the ideology that repels the vast majority of them.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 25, 2014 4:05:40pm |
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Decatur Deb Apr 25, 2014 4:07:03pm |
re: #74 goddamnedfrank
And there’s also the racism of openly wanting to use a few black people purely as a visual prop, instead of say altering the ideology that repels the vast majority of them.
The love might not be broad, but it runs deep. Bundy’s Black Friend would take a bullet for him:
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 4:09:15pm |
re: #74 goddamnedfrank
And there’s also the racism of openly wanting to use a few black people purely as a visual prop, instead of say altering the ideology that repels the vast majority of them.
The Right Kind of black people would agree with us! All those others are on the Liberal Plantation.
They don’t even really understand that that is what they’re saying. They really, truly believe that Cliven Bundy’s black friend means he’s not racist; that liking Ben Carson means they aren’t racist; that the existence of Allen West means Conservatism isn’t racist. It’s confirmation bias supercharged by wishful thinking.
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Skip Intro Apr 25, 2014 4:10:11pm |
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goddamnedfrank Apr 25, 2014 4:11:14pm |
re: #76 Decatur Deb
The love might not be broad, but it runs deep. Bundy’s Black Friend would take a bullet for him:
Mental pathology doesn’t discriminate.
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freetoken Apr 25, 2014 4:11:28pm |
re: #77 GeneJockey
God-talkers Carson and West are religio-political props, white collared vestments in the church of the past.
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Decatur Deb Apr 25, 2014 4:12:27pm |
re: #79 goddamnedfrank
Mental pathology doesn’t discriminate.
Then it’s the only thing on the ranch that doesn’t.
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Lidane Apr 25, 2014 4:14:37pm |
re: #77 GeneJockey
The same holds true for women, Latinos, gays, and other minorities.
You’ll find some conservative yahoo telling you how because they have a [insert minority here] friend or employee or relative that they’re not bigoted against that group. Or that the “right kind” of that group is of course a conservative and/or a Christian, but the others have all been deceived, or they’re just moochers living off everyone else.
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CuriousLurker Apr 25, 2014 4:14:46pm |
re: #76 Decatur Deb
The love might not be broad, but it runs deep. Bundy’s Black Friend would take a bullet for him:
From the article:
“He’s pretty much treating me just like his own family.”
Uh-huh. Now try marrying one of the women in his family and let me know how that works out for you.
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DKoch Apr 25, 2014 4:15:15pm |
Bundy says he doesn’t recognize the existence of the federal government. How much you wanna bet the 67 year old Bundy recognizes Social Security payments and socialized Medicare insurance.
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calochortus Apr 25, 2014 4:17:00pm |
re: #74 goddamnedfrank
And there’s also the racism of openly wanting to use a few black people purely as a visual prop, instead of say altering the ideology that repels the vast majority of them.
I think there is a bit of a communication problem between liberals and conservatives when it comes to the definition of racism.
I suspect that many conservatives truly don’t think they are racists* because they like individual black or brown people that they know. They just have a problem with “those people over there.” Because their culture appears different it is easy to be afraid of them, unsympathetic towards their problems and don’t feel any connection to them-they are “other”, and it is their fault that they are that way.
I noted that Bundy doesn’t seem to be saying bad things about Hispanics. He probably knows a lot of them, went to school with them, has lived and worked with them for years. He knows enough as individuals that he can see them as people, not an undifferentiated mass.
I’m guessing he knows very few blacks and sees them, with a few exceptions, as an alien group that are pretty much the same as one another.
He also apparently got a very sketchy education if he thinks slavery was good for strengthening Black families.
*edited to say: which doesn’t mean they aren’t racists.
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TedStriker Apr 25, 2014 4:17:22pm |
re: #83 CuriousLurker
From the article:
Uh-huh. Now try marrying one of the women in his family and let me know how that works out for you.
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 4:20:02pm |
re: #82 Lidane
The same holds true for women, Latinos, gays, and other minorities.
You’ll find some conservative yahoo telling you how because they have a [insert minority here] friend or employee or relative that they’re not bigoted against that group. Or that the “right kind” of that group is of course a conservative and/or a Christian, but the others have all been deceived, or they’re just moochers living off everyone else.
“I have a friend who’s black if I’m racist, and he said no.” The fact that he also works for you, that doesn’t enter into it at all.
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Skip Intro Apr 25, 2014 4:20:04pm |
re: #44 wrenchwench
That damned liberal mainstream media with their recording devices that take down all the words spoken by the person who grabs the mike.
Those aren’t in the bible. Tools of Satan, they are.
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Archangelus Apr 25, 2014 4:20:14pm |
re: #84 DKoch
Bundy says he doesn’t recognize the existence of the federal government. How much you wanna bet the 67 year old Bundy recognizes Social Security payments and socialized Medicare insurance.
Should be simple IMO - he won’t recognize the government, the government ceases to owe him anything. Threaten to halt those SocSec payments coming from that government he doesn’t recognize and watch the tone change drastically..
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dog philosopher Apr 25, 2014 4:20:31pm |
re: #77 GeneJockey
The Right Kind of black people would agree with us! All those others are on the Liberal Plantation.
They don’t even really understand that that is what they’re saying. They really, truly believe that Cliven Bundy’s black friend means he’s not racist; that liking Ben Carson means they aren’t racist; that the existence of Allen West means Conservatism isn’t racist. It’s confirmation bias supercharged by wishful thinking.
they don’t understand the subtleties of racism == thinking all black people are inherently inferior vs. racism == thinking somehow black people are especially prone to sitting around on their asses collecting welfare money
either way, they clearly have an ignorant and prejudicial view of black folk
racism is a philosophy where behavior characteristics are determined by ancestry. prejudice is when you have an opinion about how somebody will act because of some characteristic about them before you know anything else about them
prejudiced people, those who pre-judge, can be prejudiced without being necessarily racist
however, “i think this about most black people but i am not a racist because i think some other black people are exceptions to it” is not going to cut a lot of ice with me, anyway…
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Killgore Trout Apr 25, 2014 4:22:32pm |
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kirkspencer Apr 25, 2014 4:25:24pm |
I get tempted (but don’t want to get shot) to demand that all the sovereign citizens get passports and visas to travel in this nation.
I mean, they don’t recognize the United States as their nation. But they’re in the nation, which means they’re foreigners - illegal foreigners.
What, they think an illegal immigrant like them can claim a piece of US soil just because they’re squatting on it? I don’t think so.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 25, 2014 4:26:28pm |
re: #85 calochortus
Conservatives refuse to see racism as a social force that comes with inertia. Their ideology can’t handle the fact that hundreds of years of slavery, Jim Crow segregation followed by thinly veiled animus has lingering effects. That the past defines starting conditions for people born into different cultures in the US, created different facts on the ground, influences the potential for class mobility. That racism seeped into the structure of private institutions and still lingers, impacting minorities in negative ways today.
Justice Roberts is a prime example of this narrow, pig ignorant paucity of vision.
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Randall Gross Apr 25, 2014 4:29:01pm |
Once again an excellent and expert analysis of the sovereign citizen shithead who’s been sovereignly reigning on Fox news of late. Way to take the the demagogues to task Rachel.
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Skip Intro Apr 25, 2014 4:30:50pm |
Pasture Manning steps up to the plate for Bundy.
Birther pastor James David Manning recorded a video response Thursday immediately upon turning off a live news conference held by Bundy, whom he said was “absolutely, 100 percent correct.”
“Cliven Bundy is no racist; he is a man of compassion,” Manning said. “Only a person with compassion would ask the question: Are you doing better now sitting on the sidewalks in a government-subsidized house of Las Vegas, or would you rather be back in South Carolina with a garden, where you can go out and eat fresh tomatoes right out of the field, you can go and eat your vegetables right out of the field, grow your own cucumbers and have your own chickens and your own hogs — and are you better off now?”
While it’s debatable whether poor people are better off living in government-subsidized urban housing or owning a small farm in a rural setting, Manning spoke for nearly nine minutes without uttering the most relevant word in the Bundy controversy: slavery.
“He has no hatred for black people, he’s just wondering would they be better off under the circumstances that preceded the present mindset of civil rights, the African-American identity and other things,” Manning said.
The good Pasture seems to have forgotten about the slavery part.
Don’t remember who the good Pasture is?
Here’s the sign outside of his church.
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calochortus Apr 25, 2014 4:30:55pm |
re: #93 goddamnedfrank
Bingo. Saying “It’s been 150 (or 50 or whatever number you like) years, get over it.” doesn’t help. Yes, any group of people has some responsibility for themselves and their achievements, but to use an old analogy, you can’t have someone run the first half of the race wearing a ball and chain, take it off and it’s all good.
Oh wait. There’s nuance and shades of gray there. We can’t have that now, can we?
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ObserverArt Apr 25, 2014 4:32:31pm |
Clod Bundy is one sick and ugly man. I think it is time for America to move on and let him rot in the sun. The BLM can come by and clean up later. Clod need not be paid attention any longer. The media best mosey on home now and let Clod continue on his personal self destruction. It will do no good for anyone to see it from here on out.
Train wreck over! ///
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calochortus Apr 25, 2014 4:32:39pm |
re: #95 Skip Intro
So he supports giving them land? Some sort of reparation for slavery? Maybe 40 acres and a mule?
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Targetpractice Apr 25, 2014 4:33:04pm |
re: #96 calochortus
Bingo. Saying “It’s been 150 (or 50 or whatever number you like) years, get over it.” doesn’t help. Yes, any group of people has some responsibility for themselves and their achievements, but to use an old analogy, you can’t have someone run the first half of the race wearing a ball and chain, take it off and it’s all good.
Oh wait. There’s nuance and shades of gray there. We can’t have that now, can we?
Of course not. Because if you acknowledge it, then you have to acknowledge that white people still owe a debt to the black community for what happened with slavery. You can’t wipe away two centuries of debt in a single generation, no matter how much they want to believe it so.
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Charles Johnson Apr 25, 2014 4:35:25pm |
re: #44 wrenchwench
That damned liberal mainstream media with their recording devices that take down all the words spoken by the person who grabs the mike.
The bastards.
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Killgore Trout Apr 25, 2014 4:37:07pm |
re: #67 NJDhockeyfan
#hashtag diplomacy is not working. Time for a #hashtagreset.
Looks like the State Dept is one step ahead of you (not the Onion)
State Dept. Spokesperson: Russia Has ‘Not Been Following Their Hashtag with Action’
“I was highlighting the fact that they have not been following their hashtag with action.”
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jaunte Apr 25, 2014 4:37:20pm |
re: #85 calochortus
He also apparently got a very sketchy education if he thinks slavery was good for strengthening Black families.
He’s probably read all of Cleon Skousen’s books.
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Decatur Deb Apr 25, 2014 4:37:44pm |
re: #97 ObserverArt
Clod Bundy is one sick and ugly man. I think it is time for America to move on and let him rot in the sun. The BLM can come by and clean up later. Clod need not be paid attention any longer. The media best mosey on home now and let Clod continue on his personal self destruction. It will do no good for anyone to see it from here on out.
Train wreck over! ///
Don’t think Brother Bundy has finished his contributions to the national dialogue. We have more to learn from him.
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 4:38:05pm |
re: #103 Decatur Deb
Don’t think Brother Bundy has finished his contributions to the national dialogue. We have more to learn from him.
There is nothing I want to learn from that vile little toad.
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Decatur Deb Apr 25, 2014 4:38:52pm |
re: #98 calochortus
So he supports giving them land? Some sort of reparation for slavery? Maybe 40 acres and a mule?
I’d like 40 acres in Harlem. You can keep the mule.
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 4:39:33pm |
re: #93 goddamnedfrank
Conservatives refuse to see racism as a social force that comes with inertia. Their ideology can’t handle the fact that hundreds of years of slavery, Jim Crow segregation followed by thinly veiled animus has lingering effects. That the past defines starting conditions for people born into different cultures in the US, created different facts on the ground, influences the potential for class mobility. That racism seeped into the structure of private institutions and still lingers, impacting minorities in negative ways today.
Justice Roberts is a prime example of this narrow, pig ignorant paucity of vision.
There was an excellent study done some time back, which I have mentioned many times, though perhaps not here. Two economists wanted to study the effect of ‘race related’ names on hiring, so they went back 20 years and pulled a bunch of birth records from, I think, Massachusetts. They tabulated name and race, allowing the data to determine which names were most ‘black associated’ or ‘white associated’.
They then created a series of completely fictitious resumes, randomly assigned the names to them, and sent them in response to ‘Help Wanted’ ads up and down the East Coast. They used a voicemail system to track how many ‘callbacks’ each name generated. This completely removed any question of reaction to an actual person - it was just the names.
The ‘black associated’ names got about half the rate of callbacks that ‘white associated’ names got. That is just one of the hurdles.
But that’s not why I mention it. When I described this on the hunting forum, only ONE guy said, “Yeah, I can see that. I think I might do that, too, because I once had a bad experience with a black employee, so I find myself not wanting to risk hiring another.”
Everyone else’s response varied from, “You’re saying all hiring managers are racist!!” to “East Coast, huh? I guess Liberals are the REAL racists!” to “University of Chicago? They probably decided what result they wanted and faked the data!”
Complete denial of reality, because accepting it would mean that it really ISN’T a level playing field, which would mean there’s a reason why you need things like Affirmative Action.
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Gus Apr 25, 2014 4:40:16pm |
Incidentally. Snowden progressives wouldn’t support Hillary Clinton regardless. I say “Snowden progressives” because I know plenty of progressives on Twitter who don’t support Snowden at all.
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Decatur Deb Apr 25, 2014 4:40:37pm |
re: #104 thedopefishlives
There is nothing I want to learn from that vile little toad.
I want it all out there, all the freak flags flying, until November.
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Targetpractice Apr 25, 2014 4:41:01pm |
re: #107 Gus
Incidentally. Snowden progressives wouldn’t support Hillary Clinton regardless. I say “Snowden progressives” because I know plenty of progressives on Twitter who don’t support Snowden at all.
Wouldn’t they fall under “emoprog”?
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Killgore Trout Apr 25, 2014 4:41:11pm |
Serious article despite the funny headline
The State Department makes a hash of diplomacy.
the State Department’s fascination with social media reflects a view that its job is to speak over the heads of governments, or under their heads, or something. That is a dangerous illusion. With Ambassador [Michael] McFaul tweeting away in Russia as we were trying to reset the relationship, we saw some of the problems with digital diplomacy. The Youtube videos newly minted ambassadors make are downright embarrassing. They give an impression of proconsular self-regard which is in bad taste. Diplomacy is premised on a world of sovereign states. The State Department’s fascination with social media suggests that it no longer thinks that is the world we live in, a strange notion for a foreign ministry.
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calochortus Apr 25, 2014 4:41:29pm |
re: #99 Targetpractice
Of course not. Because if you acknowledge it, then you have to acknowledge that white people still owe a debt to the black community for what happened with slavery. You can’t wipe away two centuries of debt in a single generation, no matter how much they want to believe it so.
The longer it goes, the harder it gets to come to an equitable solution. What is the limit? 200 years? 500? Clinging to old grievances creates an ugly cycle of violence long past the time true reparations are possible.
I’d suggest we are wasting a lot of talent by not educating the children of the underclass well. I’m willing to pay more in taxes to expand educational opportunities from pre-K to college (including social services for families that currently need the older kids at home or out working or whatever) and in return, I don’t want to hear kids who work hard are “acting white” or disrespecting the culture.
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 4:42:02pm |
re: #108 Decatur Deb
I want it all out there, all the freak flags flying, until November.
That’s fine, but I’m not going to learn anything. Nor do I want to.
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Gus Apr 25, 2014 4:42:21pm |
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Targetpractice Apr 25, 2014 4:43:51pm |
re: #113 Gus
Pretty much.
Those ones don’t really surprise me. They’re the equivalent of the wingnuts who sneer at guys like Romney or McCain because they’re “mainstream” and pine instead for bugfuck insane candidates who have little chance in the general election. Just swap out “conservative” for “liberal” in the oft-heard refrain “Not a true (blank)” and you have an emoprog.
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Jay in Oregon Apr 25, 2014 4:44:10pm |
re: #50 EPR-radar
Wayne LaPierre needs to shut up before he chokes on his own bile.
One can only hope.
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Killgore Trout Apr 25, 2014 4:44:21pm |
re: #107 Gus
Incidentally. Snowden progressives wouldn’t support Hillary Clinton regardless. I say “Snowden progressives” because I know plenty of progressives on Twitter who don’t support Snowden at all.
It’s a tough split but not insurmountable. The progressive fringe is always susceptible to being drawn towards Ralf Nader-type spoilers. There is a serious effort (sites like Dkos) to push the Dems towards nominating unelectable loons but the party has done a decent job at resisting so far.
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EPR-radar Apr 25, 2014 4:44:55pm |
re: #108 Decatur Deb
I want it all out there, all the freak flags flying, until November.
It will be interesting to see if the GOP can survive the consequences of the southern strategy.
Becoming the party of white supremacy, racism and all other forms of bigotry is a real problem, especially if swing voters start coming to this conclusion in real numbers.
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kirkspencer Apr 25, 2014 4:45:53pm |
re: #106 GeneJockey
There was an excellent study done some time back, which I have mentioned many times, though perhaps not here. Two economists wanted to study the effect of ‘race related’ names on hiring, so they went back 20 years and pulled a bunch of birth records from, I think, Massachusetts. They tabulated name and race, allowing the data to determine which names were most ‘black associated’ or ‘white associated’.
They then created a series of completely fictitious resumes, randomly assigned the names to them, and sent them in response to ‘Help Wanted’ ads up and down the East Coast. They used a voicemail system to track how many ‘callbacks’ each name generated. This completely removed any question of reaction to an actual person - it was just the names.
The ‘black associated’ names got about half the rate of callbacks that ‘white associated’ names got. That is just one of the hurdles.
But that’s not why I mention it. When I described this on the hunting forum, only ONE guy said, “Yeah, I can see that. I think I might do that, too, because I once had a bad experience with a black employee, so I find myself not wanting to risk hiring another.”
Everyone else’s response varied from, “You’re saying all hiring managers are racist!!” to “East Coast, huh? I guess Liberals are the REAL racists!” to “University of Chicago? They probably decided what result they wanted and faked the data!”
Complete denial of reality, because accepting it would mean that it really ISN’T a level playing field, which would mean there’s a reason why you need things like Affirmative Action.
There was a variation I saw a decade or so ago. This one pretended to be a remaking of Molloy’s ‘Dress for success’ work. But what they did was mix and match races in identical/equivalent clothing. Yes, black men in suits did better than white men in shirts with slacks and ties. But the devil was in details - the break line was significantly different from the reverse or even white to white or black to black.
(As an aside I recall trying to get the info for the alleged study as well. There are indicators that the numbers have shifted from when Molloy did his study, and I wanted to see what a properly done ‘Dress for Success in the 21st Century’ would look like.)
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b.d. Apr 25, 2014 4:47:58pm |
*Duck Fuckers
*Ted Nugent
*Racist Rancher Moocher
Bring on your next hero baggers.
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b.d. Apr 25, 2014 4:48:56pm |
re: #107 Gus
Incidentally. Snowden progressives wouldn’t support Hillary Clinton regardless. I say “Snowden progressives” because I know plenty of progressives on Twitter who don’t support Snowden at all.
Snogressives?
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 4:49:18pm |
re: #99 Targetpractice
Of course not. Because if you acknowledge it, then you have to acknowledge that white people still owe a debt to the black community for what happened with slavery. You can’t wipe away two centuries of debt in a single generation, no matter how much they want to believe it so.
I’m leery of calling it a debt we owe, because that suggests an easy solution like reparations (“Here’s $10,000. Now we’re even.”) rather than acknowledging and comprehending the depth of the problem, and trying to find the solutions to it.
Did I ever own slaves? No. Was anyone who is currently alive ever a slave in America? No. So, do I owe a debt to the descendants of slaves?
BUT, I have benefitted all my life from being a white male in a society that favors people like me. I have “played the game on ‘Easy’”. while others may have had it on ‘Hero’.
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CuriousLurker Apr 25, 2014 4:51:25pm |
re: #119 Charles Johnson
Can we please, please, please have a mute filter?
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 4:51:36pm |
re: #120 b.d.
*Duck Fuckers
*Ted Nugent
*Racist Rancher MoocherBring on your next hero baggers.
I bet Charles has hand-painted swastikas on his keyboard for every neo-nazi nutjob that he’s shot down in flames.
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 4:52:24pm |
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jaunte Apr 25, 2014 4:52:51pm |
re: #108 Decatur Deb
I want it all out there, all the freak flags flying, until November.
“…A militia member with the group Oath Keepers named Mark, who drove in from out of state by way of Zion National Park (“which was absolutely beautiful — you should go”), offers to explain to me the truth behind public land management.
“The assumption is that the BLM is part of the federal government. But we need to check the facts on that one. The BLM doesn’t work for the government: they work for the United Nations. They might as well be wearing blue helmets. If we find out there’s money being exchanged between Harry Reid and the Chinese government, no one should be surprised.”
A self-trained lawyer tells me the same. He adds that Bar-certified lawyers, like the ones who prosecuted Bundy, have sworn loyalty to the British government, whose statutes encourage sex with clients. “That’s what they do with all their clients.”
……..snip……..
…The crowd, fresh off their victory at the Battle of Bunkerville, gives Bundy a standing ovation. But he doesn’t seem pleased. He reproaches the crowd for failing to follow the word of God - to the letter - which he says is being delivered through him. They failed, for example, to follow his instructions to tear down the toll booths at Lake Mead and disarm the Park Service.“The message I gave to you all was a revelation that I received. And yet not one of you can seem to even quote it.”
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A Mom Anon Apr 25, 2014 4:53:28pm |
In good news regarding GA wingnuts, I have made (slight) liberal inroads (moohahahaha).
I have mentioned my “compound neighbors” here before, a large extended family, all armed, really super conservative. In the last week they’ve reached out to us(!) a few times, and I am stunned. They’re putting in a new driveway and landscaping and they offered me a bunch of plants that would have otherwise been dug up or paved over.
Then they have offered up tons of really kind and nice wishes and thoughts about my son, apologies for one of the kids who bullied him and wanted me to make sure my son knew he was welcome to come over and play with the dogs anytime he likes. So no, they aren’t voting Democratic anytime soon, but we’re no longer evildemonsatanworshippingdebilpeople. Winning hearts and minds slowly….
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Decatur Deb Apr 25, 2014 4:54:09pm |
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Decatur Deb Apr 25, 2014 4:55:20pm |
re: #129 A Mom Anon
In good news regarding GA wingnuts, I have made (slight) liberal inroads (moohahahaha).
I have mentioned my “compound neighbors” here before, a large extended family, all armed, really super conservative. In the last week they’ve reached out to us(!) a few times, and I am stunned. They’re putting in a new driveway and landscaping and they offered me a bunch of plants that would have otherwise been dug up or paved over.
Then they have offered up tons of really kind and nice wishes and thoughts about my son, apologies for one of the kids who bullied him and wanted me to make sure my son knew he was welcome to come over and play with the dogs anytime he likes. So no, they aren’t voting Democratic anytime soon, but we’re no longer evildemonsatanworshippingdebilpeople. Winning hearts and minds slowly….
That’s the only way it can be done.
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Killgore Trout Apr 25, 2014 4:55:21pm |
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CuriousLurker Apr 25, 2014 4:57:15pm |
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Gus Apr 25, 2014 4:58:43pm |
Friday kitty. From @EmrgencyKittens. pic.twitter.com/t7zyIYzf3A— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) April 25, 2014
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 4:59:11pm |
Further to my last post:
You will never get Conservatives to acknowledge the whole ‘Playing The Game On Easy’ concept because it undermines their belief that they are self-made, and solely responsible for their own success. I once told a Conservative that he and I had been fortunate to be able to become, with a lot of hard work, well-paid professionals. He insisted he wasn’t ‘fortunate’ at all! He’d worked hard for all of it!
It turned out, of course, that he was a middle class white kid whose parents had paid his way through college, and helped with law school.
But he wasn’t ‘fortunate’! No sirree!
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:01:24pm |
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klys Apr 25, 2014 5:02:08pm |
re: #138 thedopefishlives
Hooray, it’s Caturday!
I am still sitting here moping some about the kitten, I confess.
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CuriousLurker Apr 25, 2014 5:02:26pm |
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:02:37pm |
re: #139 klys
I am still sitting here moping some about the kitten, I confess.
Moping? What did I miss?
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goddamnedfrank Apr 25, 2014 5:03:16pm |
ATTN #BundyRanch supporters. Your “How to act like a retarded gut-pile” graduate course begins in 15 minutes. Bring your own malapropisms!— GDF (@goddamnedfrank) April 26, 2014
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klys Apr 25, 2014 5:03:29pm |
re: #141 thedopefishlives
Moping? What did I miss?
We had a stray kitten turn up in our backyard (the one posted above, actually) on Sunday night; I took her up to the shelter yesterday because we can’t do another cat right now and I’m pretty sure she’ll be adopted out, etc., but it still broke my heart. :(
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:04:48pm |
re: #143 klys
We had a stray kitten turn up in our backyard (the one posted above, actually) on Sunday night; I took her up to the shelter yesterday because we can’t do another cat right now and I’m pretty sure she’ll be adopted out, etc., but it still broke my heart. :(
I bought my wife a little white kitten for a birthday some years ago, before we were married. Her dad refused to allow it into his house and my house already had 2 cats that I could barely manage. Thankfully the pet store let me bring it back, but still. It broke my heart to give it back.
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Gus Apr 25, 2014 5:05:32pm |
re: #116 Killgore Trout
It’s a tough split but not insurmountable. The progressive fringe is always susceptible to being drawn towards Ralf Nader-type spoilers. There is a serious effort (sites like Dkos) to push the Dems towards nominating unelectable loons but the party has done a decent job at resisting so far.
Democrats that vote and are out in the meat world aren’t even remotely similar to internet Democrats. There’s also a lot of internal divisions at Dkos and they’re not all on the same page on things as you might find at Fire Dog Lake. Markos himself has changed quite a bit over the years. If there is a Nader type spoiler it’s not going to be hatched from Dkos but Washington DC. The closest I can think of would be Sanders. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sanders be pragmatic enough to see the potentially negative consequences of repeating 2000. Sanders is very progressive but he’s not a crackpot like Nader.
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klys Apr 25, 2014 5:05:50pm |
re: #144 thedopefishlives
I bought my wife a little white kitten for a birthday some years ago, before we were married. Her dad refused to allow it into his house and my house already had 2 cats that I could barely manage. Thankfully the pet store let me bring it back, but still. It broke my heart to give it back.
It takes so little time to bond to the kitties.
I’m pretty sure I have sucker written across my forehead when it comes to cats.
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:07:47pm |
re: #146 klys
It takes so little time to bond to the kitties.
I’m pretty sure I have sucker written across my forehead when it comes to cats.
You and me both. The real heartbreaker was giving up the daughter of Outdoor Cat, whom we tried to bring inside with our established (and fixed) male/female pair but kept peeing on everything. It wasn’t until much later that we realized it was the two females spraying, since we’d always been told that females didn’t spray.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 25, 2014 5:09:55pm |
re: #146 klys
It takes so little time to bond to the kitties.
I’m pretty sure I have sucker written across my forehead when it comes to cats.
I developed an allergy to cats in my teens. Had tons of ‘em as a child, but have to admire them from afar now.
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Lidane Apr 25, 2014 5:10:22pm |
Real life puss in boots. pic.twitter.com/6xMXoTMnAq— Emergency Kittens (@EmrgencyKittens) April 24, 2014
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EPR-radar Apr 25, 2014 5:11:12pm |
re: #146 klys
It takes so little time to bond to the kitties.
I’m pretty sure I have sucker written across my forehead when it comes to cats.
I have to admit I hope that toxoplasmosis infection does not affect human behavior toward cats.
The effect of toxoplasmosis on rodent behavior is interesting.
Infection with T. gondii has been shown to alter the behavior of mice and rats in ways thought to increase the rodents’ chances of being preyed upon by cats. en.wikipedia.org
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klys Apr 25, 2014 5:12:08pm |
re: #149 goddamnedfrank
I developed an allergy to cats in my teens. Had tons of ‘em as a child, but have to admire them from afar now.
I had developed one over the years, and then I met my husband. And his cat.
After a few months, it pretty much went away. I was grateful, since I was having cats either way but constant anti-allergy meds would have been a pain.
(By the end of the first night, my eyes were so red and swollen and I was so stopped up, it was crazy.)
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b.d. Apr 25, 2014 5:12:24pm |
re: #145 Gus
Democrats that vote and are out in the meat world aren’t even remotely similar to internet Democrats. There’s also a lot of internal divisions at Dkos and they’re not all on the same page on things as you might find at Fire Dog Lake. Markos himself has changed quite a bit over the years. If there is a Nader type spoiler it’s not going to be hatched from Dkos but Washington DC. The closest I can think of would be Sanders. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sanders be pragmatic enough to see the potentially negative consequences of repeating 2000. Sanders is very progressive but he’s not a crackpot like Nader.
Sanders is in a trap. He would have to become a democrat to challenge Clinton and he has already said this:
“I will not play a role of electing a right-winger,” Sanders said. “If, if, if you run as an independent, if the campaign is not going well, there comes a point where you can say ‘Well, you know what, I’m not going to elect a right-wing Republican.’ ”
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 5:12:56pm |
re: #146 klys
It takes so little time to bond to the kitties.
I’m pretty sure I have sucker written across my forehead when it comes to cats.
If you look somewhere around your yard, you’ll find the cat version of the Hobo Sign for a kindly lady living there. Interestingly, the Hobo Sign for that is a cat, so perhaps the Cat Sign is a picture of a hobo.
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Gus Apr 25, 2014 5:13:23pm |
re: #153 b.d.
Sanders is in a trap. He would have to become a democrat to challenge Clinton in he has already said this:
Well. Then. It’s exactly like I said. Sanders is rather pragmatic about things.
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Killgore Trout Apr 25, 2014 5:13:43pm |
re: #145 Gus
Democrats that vote and are out in the meat world aren’t even remotely similar to internet Democrats. There’s also a lot of internal divisions at Dkos and they’re not all on the same page on things as you might find at Fire Dog Lake. Markos himself has changed quite a bit over the years. If there is a Nader type spoiler it’s not going to be hatched from Dkos but Washington DC. The closest I can think of would be Sanders. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sanders be pragmatic enough to see the potentially negative consequences of repeating 2000. Sanders is very progressive but he’s not a crackpot like Nader.
Podesta too. Very well connected and influential, probably very progressive but still pragmatic. I suppose it would take someone influential or a well connected think tank to get a little too ambitious or power hungry and start pushing hard. It could happen but everybody’s behaving themselves so far.
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nines09 Apr 25, 2014 5:13:59pm |
re: #95 Skip Intro
Pasture Manning steps up to the plate for Bundy.
Birther pastor James David Manning recorded a video response Thursday immediately upon turning off a live news conference held by Bundy, whom he said was “absolutely, 100 percent correct.”
“Cliven Bundy is no racist; he is a man of compassion,” Manning said. “Only a person with compassion would ask the question: Are you doing better now sitting on the sidewalks in a government-subsidized house of Las Vegas, or would you rather be back in South Carolina with a garden, where you can go out and eat fresh tomatoes right out of the field, you can go and eat your vegetables right out of the field, grow your own cucumbers and have your own chickens and your own hogs — and are you better off now?”
While it’s debatable whether poor people are better off living in government-subsidized urban housing or owning a small farm in a rural setting, Manning spoke for nearly nine minutes without uttering the most relevant word in the Bundy controversy: slavery.
“He has no hatred for black people, he’s just wondering would they be better off under the circumstances that preceded the present mindset of civil rights, the African-American identity and other things,” Manning said.
The good Pasture seems to have forgotten about the slavery part.
Don’t remember who the good Pasture is?
Here’s the sign outside of his church.
Yes I remember reading about Jesus stoning whores and homos and others who strayed from the “true path” in Bible School. God is Love a drunk insane alien with issues. Hate sells in this House Of Worship and Ignorance.
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b.d. Apr 25, 2014 5:15:32pm |
re: #155 Gus
Well. Then. It’s exactly like I said. Sanders is rather pragmatic about things.
You did nail it, I have to say.
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Stanley Sea Apr 25, 2014 5:18:52pm |
re: #25 Charles Johnson
Cliven Bundy’s Daughter Slams Sean Hannity | Mother Jones
Cox, who is one of 14 children, also suggested that the controversy concerning Bundy’s racist comments had somehow been orchestrated to undermine her father’s cause:
Her gravy train has derailed. Sorry.
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wrenchwench Apr 25, 2014 5:20:36pm |
re: #93 goddamnedfrank
Justice Roberts is a prime example of this narrow, pig ignorant paucity of vision.
Too Good For A Band Name.
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:20:39pm |
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wrenchwench Apr 25, 2014 5:21:21pm |
re: #160 Stanley Sea
yeah, I’m gonna pull a SFZ.
Disappear? NOOOOOOOOOO!
I do fine with cat pics and scrolling.
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Gus Apr 25, 2014 5:21:33pm |
Photo by: Caty Enders for Esquire
Cliven Bundy supporter.
From:
Life at The Bundy Ranch, Uncensored
Live From Bunkerville! Welfare negroes, the United Nations, sexually devious lawyers, satan, a Chinese solar farm, microchips, secret-agent NPS, and more!
We’re all going to be microchipped!
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Stanley Sea Apr 25, 2014 5:24:06pm |
re: #36 EPR-radar
It is helpful to note that there have been exactly two periods in US history where large numbers of US citizens had a serious beef with the Federal government itself.
The Civil War era and the Civil Rights era.
So I regard vehement anti-Federalism as basically neo-Confederacy with a thin veneer of deniability.
Truth.
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palomino Apr 25, 2014 5:24:14pm |
re: #116 Killgore Trout
It’s a tough split but not insurmountable. The progressive fringe is always susceptible to being drawn towards Ralf Nader-type spoilers. There is a serious effort (sites like Dkos) to push the Dems towards nominating unelectable loons but the party has done a decent job at resisting so far.
The last remotely “unelectable loon” run by the Dems was Michael Dukakis — 26 years ago.
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Gus Apr 25, 2014 5:24:18pm |
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:24:35pm |
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klys Apr 25, 2014 5:25:06pm |
re: #163 wrenchwench
Disappear? NOOOOOOOOOO!
I do fine with cat pics and scrolling.
I do my best to contribute.
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 5:25:27pm |
re: #164 Gus
Photo by: Caty Enders for Esquire
Cliven Bundy supporter.
From:
Life at The Bundy Ranch, Uncensored
Live From Bunkerville! Welfare negroes, the United Nations, sexually devious lawyers, satan, a Chinese solar farm, microchips, secret-agent NPS, and more!We’re all going to be microchipped!
Christ! It’s like everybody’s crazy uncle from Facebook is there!
I’m starting to think if we dust off and nuke the site from orbit, we’ll simultaneously raise the collective IQ AND the level of discourse of the entire country.
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 5:26:16pm |
re: #169 palomino
The last remotely “unelectable loon” run by the Dems was Michael Dukakis — 26 years ago.
And he was actually favored to win, till the Tank Moment and Willie Horton.
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Targetpractice Apr 25, 2014 5:26:17pm |
re: #171 thedopefishlives
I think I’d know if there was a microchip impla — DRONE READY
Come on, there’s no proof that people are implanted with microchi - ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.
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Gus Apr 25, 2014 5:26:54pm |
re: #173 GeneJockey
Christ! It’s like everybody’s crazy uncle from Facebook is there!
I’m starting to think if we dust off and nuke the site from orbit, we’ll simultaneously raise the collective IQ AND the level of discourse of the entire country.
FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: Meetup at Cliven Bundy Ranch
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klys Apr 25, 2014 5:27:10pm |
re: #173 GeneJockey
Christ! It’s like everybody’s crazy uncle from Facebook is there!
I’m starting to think if we dust off and nuke the site from orbit, we’ll simultaneously raise the collective IQ AND the level of discourse of the entire country.
It would improve the level of discourse in the country if all political discussions had to be held using LOLCATS.
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palomino Apr 25, 2014 5:27:53pm |
re: #107 Gus
Incidentally. Snowden progressives wouldn’t support Hillary Clinton regardless. I say “Snowden progressives” because I know plenty of progressives on Twitter who don’t support Snowden at all.
She won’t need “Snowden progressives” to get the nomination.
Once the general election rolls around, the gop will do all that’s necessary to get the progressives back in the Democratic fold.
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EPR-radar Apr 25, 2014 5:28:21pm |
re: #177 klys
It would improve the level of discourse in the country if all political discussions had to be held using LOLCATS.
Being obliged to preach from the lolcat bible would be a big improvement for the religious right.
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 5:29:28pm |
re: #179 EPR-radar
Being obliged to preach from the lolcat bible would be a big improvement for the religious right.
I can haz ghey stonings?
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Stanley Sea Apr 25, 2014 5:29:29pm |
re: #50 EPR-radar
Wayne LaPierre needs to shut up before he chokes on his own bile.
Wayne LaPierre needs to be audited for how much his income comes from gun & bullet manufacturers. But 2nd amendment!11!!!!! stops that too eh?
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:31:03pm |
re: #175 Targetpractice
Come on, there’s no proof that people are implanted with microchi - ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.
You must spawn additional Overlords.
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EPR-radar Apr 25, 2014 5:31:09pm |
re: #178 palomino
She won’t need “Snowden progressives” to get the nomination.
Once the general election rolls around, the gop will do all that’s necessary to get the progressives back in the Democratic fold.
Very true. The GOP candidate for 2016 will doubtless be so horrifying that only the most delusional on the left will sit it out.
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Lidane Apr 25, 2014 5:33:11pm |
re: #145 Gus
Markos himself has changed quite a bit over the years. If there is a Nader type spoiler it’s not going to be hatched from Dkos but Washington DC.
Markos would rain hellfire and brimstone down on anyone who tried to push a Nader-type spoiler in the 2016 election, or if they demanded an ideological purist instead of someone who can win. He’s a dyed-in-the-wool political brawler and he wants someone that can win an election. He doesn’t give two shits about that person swearing fealty to the emoprog left.
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Stanley Sea Apr 25, 2014 5:33:45pm |
re: #103 Decatur Deb
Don’t think Brother Bundy has finished his contributions to the national dialogue. We have more to learn from him.
How long did Joe the Plumber last? Hell, that dude got a free trip to Israel.
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:34:30pm |
re: #184 Gus
Heads over to stopthecrime dot net…
I’m not sure I want anything like that polluting my Interwebs.
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b.d. Apr 25, 2014 5:34:45pm |
re: #164 Gus
Photo by: Caty Enders for Esquire
Cliven Bundy supporter.
From:
Life at The Bundy Ranch, Uncensored
Live From Bunkerville! Welfare negroes, the United Nations, sexually devious lawyers, satan, a Chinese solar farm, microchips, secret-agent NPS, and more!We’re all going to be microchipped!
He said we MAY BE implanted with microchips not that we were implanted with microchips!! He was just asking questions!!
//
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Gus Apr 25, 2014 5:35:05pm |
re: #187 thedopefishlives
I’m not sure I want anything like that polluting my Interwebs.
It’s exactly as you might think. Even with the ugly webpage “design.”
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:35:44pm |
re: #189 Gus
It’s exactly as you might think. Even with the ugly webpage “design.”
How many Timecubes does it get?
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EPR-radar Apr 25, 2014 5:35:59pm |
re: #185 Lidane
Markos would rain hellfire and brimstone down on anyone who tried to push a Nader-type spoiler in the 2016 election, or if they demanded an ideological purist instead of someone who can win. He’s a dyed-in-the-wool political brawler and he wants someone that can win an election. He doesn’t give two shits about that person swearing fealty to the emoprog left.
Makes sense. Making progress on policy is just about impossible with the GOP at its current strength, so the first order of business is to marginalize it if at all possible.
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Gus Apr 25, 2014 5:36:48pm |
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:37:06pm |
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Stanley Sea Apr 25, 2014 5:38:06pm |
re: #125 CuriousLurker
Can we please, please, please have a mute filter?
Add to that request ………. not having to sign in to multiple devices. Sofa = laptop. Kitchen = tablet etc. Oh our pitiful lives.
I’ll go read @koshersoul post about picking cotton again. After hearing my Mom today say it’s in the 90’s.
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Gus Apr 25, 2014 5:39:59pm |
re: #193 thedopefishlives
Wow. That’s, like, a platinum mine of crazy.
Maybe not those. Image search.
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Stanley Sea Apr 25, 2014 5:40:42pm |
re: #128 jaunte
I want it all out there, all the freak flags flying, until November.
Oh shit. If you didn’t click the Esquire link, have fun! Go read it now!
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Lidane Apr 25, 2014 5:41:42pm |
re: #191 EPR-radar
Makes sense. Making progress on policy is just about impossible with the GOP at its current strength, so the first order of business is to marginalize it if at all possible.
EXACTLY. The first order of business is to win the election. ANY election. Every election possible. After that you can start worrying about checking off the wishlist. You need warm bodies in office that are at least sympathetic to your side first.
Markos knows this. He’s blogged about it for years. Just because some of his commenters are emoprogs and far left moonbats doesn’t mean he’s there with them. At the end of the day, he wants to win.
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CuriousLurker Apr 25, 2014 5:42:09pm |
re: #148 klys
I ventured out today to do some camera practice, but spring hasn’t really fully sprung here in my neck of the woods. Winter lasted a LONG time this year.
Anyway, I’m still learning how to use all the manual settings as well as figuring out which lenses I prefer (after spending a small fortune, ugh). I found out that I really hate carrying a lot of gear around and/or trying to change lenses when the wind is blowing all kinds of crap into them.
I need to figure out which 2 or 3 lenses I want (read will actually use), and get rid of the rest. I love the 40mm f/2.8 pancake lens, the the bokeh is kinda “meh” (compared to the 85mm f/1.8). I’m pretty sure one of the things I’m gonna want is a dedicated macro—prolly the 100mm f/2.8.
I should probably look for a decent standard zoom with a wide aperture, preferably without having to go into the 1K+ L-Series lenses. Ugh.
Decisions, decisions… *sigh*
I’m totally waiting for the dogwood tree down the street to bloom. I got a gorgeous shot of the blooms with my little Canon point & shoot six years ago, so I’m dying to try getting a few good shots with the DSLR.
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Stanley Sea Apr 25, 2014 5:42:25pm |
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:43:07pm |
re: #200 Gus
Illuminazi. That’s a new one. I did nazi that one coming.
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EPR-radar Apr 25, 2014 5:44:21pm |
re: #199 Lidane
EXACTLY. The first order of business is to win the election. ANY election. Every election possible. After that you can start worrying about checking off the wishlist. You need warm bodies in office that are at least sympathetic to your side first.
Markos knows this. He’s blogged about it for years. Just because some of his commenters are emoprogs and far left moonbats doesn’t mean he’s there with them. At the end of the day, he wants to win.
And we have to win. At this point, (D) vs. (R) really is more or less compromised politicians vs. out and proud evil-doers.
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DKoch Apr 25, 2014 5:44:53pm |
re: #145 Gus
I like much of the writing and news aggregate on DKos, and there are a lot of good folks over there, but DKos is not reflective of the Party.
Just look at 2008 site poll:
48% Edwards
27% Obama
8% Clinton
When actual votes were cast in New Hampshire, Edwards ended a distant 3rd with 17% of the vote, while Hillary got 39% of the vote.
Edwards received 31 points less in New Hampshire than he did on Dkos. While Hillary received 31 points more in New Hampshire than Dkos. That’s a 62 point differential.
If there’s a statistical relationship between Daily Kos and actual Democratic Party voters, it’s an inverse relationship.
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klys Apr 25, 2014 5:45:08pm |
re: #201 CuriousLurker
Every photo I have posted from the good camera?
It’s all with one lens.
I know there’s a *lot* to be said for a good prime, but when I travel I don’t want to carry all that shit with me and deal with changing lenses when it’s raining or whatever, so I skipped the kit lens and got a step up and …that’s it.
At some point I want to add a few more, but…
On the bright side, it can be pretty easy to sell the lenses for close to what you paid, I think.
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Gus Apr 25, 2014 5:47:47pm |
SUGGESTIONS - HOW to and WHAT to DO about the Weaponized Cell Towers and the Assassin Antennas
The cell towers an antennas are weaponized …and you need to know when they are amped up and targeting you in your home.
Go to antennasearch.com and “print” off the locations of the cell towers and antennas that are located nearest your home, in your neighborhood, in your town . . keep a paper copy and understand NOT all the towers are on the maps, but most are…
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Stanley Sea Apr 25, 2014 5:48:27pm |
re: #140 CuriousLurker
I hope so. It sure beats the hell outta…
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Great story on NPR tonight during my 2 hr drive through Hades. (usually 50 min)
On NPR a story about GOATS. Well, the cheese places only need the females, so the males? Well, there’s a freaking market for goat meat. I lived in FL and my most beautiful ethnic meals back in the day were goat curry with my brother’s Jamaicans friends.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 25, 2014 5:49:09pm |
One of the sweetest photos I’ve ever seen. I think this far surpasses any cuteness rating … .
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:49:22pm |
re: #209 Gus
Assassin Antennas. I get the whole cell phone tower thing, I’ve seen that one, but assassin antennas just has such a great sound.
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Amory Blaine Apr 25, 2014 5:49:33pm |
Bundy has exposed the ridiculously low price ranchers are paying to graze.
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CuriousLurker Apr 25, 2014 5:49:34pm |
re: #212 Stanley Sea
Great story on NPR tonight during my 2 hr drive through Hades. (usually 50 min)
On NPR a story about GOATS. Well, the cheese places only need the females, so the males? Well, there’s a freaking market for goat meat. I lived in FL and my most beautiful ethnic meals back in the day were goat curry with my brother’s Jamaicans friends.
Cool, I’ll have to listen to it this weekend. Thanks!
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FemNaziBitch Apr 25, 2014 5:51:27pm |
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klys Apr 25, 2014 5:51:33pm |
So I just gridded the monocanvas for this new type of embroidery/needlework that I got to try after defending last year and am finally getting my act together to actually attempt. It looks a little more straightforward than cross stitch in some ways (which I would have started another project there today but I don’t like any of the linen I have on hand for that particular project).
On the flip side, there are a lot of fibers I have never worked with before and I kind of have no idea what I’m doing.
It should be fun.
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 5:51:54pm |
re: #212 Stanley Sea
Great story on NPR tonight during my 2 hr drive through Hades. (usually 50 min)
On NPR a story about GOATS. Well, the cheese places only need the females, so the males? Well, there’s a freaking market for goat meat. I lived in FL and my most beautiful ethnic meals back in the day were goat curry with my brother’s Jamaicans friends.
We’ve got so much ivy in our yard we’ve finally decided to give up and bring in professionals. Mrs. Jockey has contacted Rent-A-Goat.
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Stanley Sea Apr 25, 2014 5:52:25pm |
re: #154 GeneJockey
If you look somewhere around your yard, you’ll find the cat version of the Hobo Sign for a kindly lady living there. Interestingly, the Hobo Sign for that is a cat, so perhaps the Cat Sign is a picture of a hobo.
Ok, one of the best Mad Men was the Hobo Code. I don’t see the “rip you off” one there.
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CuriousLurker Apr 25, 2014 5:52:59pm |
re: #213 FemNaziBitch
One of the sweetest photos I’ve ever seen. I think this far surpasses any cuteness rating … .
The other day on YouTube I watched a mama giraffe kick & stomp a lion to death after one of them killed her baby. She was pissed.
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klys Apr 25, 2014 5:53:49pm |
re: #220 GeneJockey
We’ve got so much ivy in our yard we’ve finally decided to give up and bring in professionals. Mrs. Jockey has contacted Rent-A-Goat.
Haha.
We did one of the farmhouse meals at Harley Farms a few years back now (maybe 2?). Part of his Christmas present.
The best part of April is all the baby goats. (Less so the placenta, but …it’s a farm.)
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Stanley Sea Apr 25, 2014 5:54:01pm |
re: #162 thedopefishlives
*double take*
Do what now.
She’d start at the top & comment. You would have to DEAL with her later comments. As you are mine. I’ve finally caught up.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 25, 2014 5:54:10pm |
re: #223 CuriousLurker
The other day on YouTube I watched a mama giraffe kick & stomp a lion to death after one of them killed her baby. She was pissed.
Well, I would be too.
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:54:44pm |
re: #225 Stanley Sea
She’d start at the top & comment. You would have to DEAL with her later comments. As you are mine. I’ve finally caught up.
Oh, pfft. I’m used to it. There’s several commenters that like to play the catch-up game when they rejoin a thread in progress.
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wrenchwench Apr 25, 2014 5:55:03pm |
re: #225 Stanley Sea
She’d start at the top & comment. You would have to DEAL with her later comments. As you are mine. I’ve finally caught up.
Oh, that kind of SFZ. Whew!
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FemNaziBitch Apr 25, 2014 5:56:31pm |
re: #227 thedopefishlives
Oh, pfft. I’m used to it. There’s several commenters that like to play the catch-up game when they rejoin a thread in progress.
Depends on how much time I have, how interesting I think the thread is and mostly on how much time I have.
Lots of times, I read the first few and give-up.
I hate coming in on the middle of a conversation and trying to comment. It’s a good way to mess things up.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 25, 2014 5:56:50pm |
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b.d. Apr 25, 2014 5:57:03pm |
re: #205 DKoch
I like much of the writing and news aggregate on DKos, and there are a lot of good folks over there, but DKos is not reflective of the Party.
Just look at 2008 site poll:
48% Edwards
27% Obama
8% ClintonWhen actual votes were cast in New Hampshire, Edwards ended a distant 3rd with 17% of the vote, while Hillary got 39% of the vote.
Edwards received 31 points less in New Hampshire than he did on Dkos. While Hillary received 31 points more in New Hampshire than Dkos. That’s a 62 point differential.
If there’s a statistical relationship between Daily Kos and actual Democratic Party voters, it’s an inverse relationship.
WE SHOULD GET EDWARDS TO RUN AGAINST HILLARY THIS TIME. WHAT HAPPENS IN HIS PRIVATE LIFE IS NOBODY’S BUSINESS AND AMERICA NEEDS HIS MESSAGE MORE THAN EVER!!
I’M OFF TO WRITE A CHECK! WHO’S WITH ME?!
//
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:57:07pm |
re: #230 FemNaziBitch
Depends on how much time I have, how interesting I think the thread is and mostly on how much time I have.
Lots of times, I read the first few and give-up.
I hate coming in on the middle of a conversation and trying to comment. It’s a good way to mess things up.
Whereas I do it all the time. Of course, I usually wait for 5-10 minutes before chiming in, to make sure I’m firmly in the flow of the conversation.
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thedopefishlives Apr 25, 2014 5:57:49pm |
re: #231 FemNaziBitch
daily spawn pic?
It is my sister’s newest spawn. Born at 10:00 this morning. 7 lb 5 oz, 18”, and raven-haired like her mother.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 25, 2014 5:57:53pm |
re: #233 thedopefishlives
Whereas I do it all the time. Of course, I usually wait for 5-10 minutes before chiming in, to make sure I’m firmly in the flow of the conversation.
Naw, I just barge in and ask apologies if I’m wrong.
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RealityBasedSteve Apr 25, 2014 5:58:11pm |
I don’t have any Cat pictures, but I saw a pair of Geese at the golf course this evening, with some chicks. Grabbed my little panasonic lumix and grabbed a few pics before the geese started to look at me hard. I didn’t want to disturb them, so I didn’t get too close.
RBS
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FemNaziBitch Apr 25, 2014 5:58:18pm |
re: #234 thedopefishlives
It is my sister’s newest spawn. Born at 10:00 this morning. 7 lb 5 oz, 18”, and raven-haired like her mother.
Give us each day, our daily spawn!
Soooo cute.
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Romantic Heretic Apr 25, 2014 5:58:50pm |
A self-trained lawyer tells me the same. He adds that Bar-certified lawyers, like the ones who prosecuted Bundy, have sworn loyalty to the British government, whose statutes encourage sex with clients. “That’s what they do with all their clients.”
Are you jealous perhaps, nutbar?
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Lidane Apr 25, 2014 5:58:52pm |
re: #217 Targetpractice
Give that man some chimichangas already. That’s awesome. XD
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CuriousLurker Apr 25, 2014 5:59:19pm |
re: #224 klys
Haha.
We did one of the farmhouse meals at Harley Farms a few years back now (maybe 2?). Part of his Christmas present.
The best part of April is all the baby goats. (Less so the placenta, but …it’s a farm.)
Baby goats are ridiculously cute, but I had a friend back in TX who lived in the country and had a bunch of goats—I quickly learned how unwise it is to position yourself downwind of them. *gag*
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DKoch Apr 25, 2014 5:59:55pm |
Okay, Bundy went on CNN this morning and said: “when I say negro, or black boy, or slave, if those people can not take those types of words and not be offended then Martin Luther King hasn’t done his job”
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Stanley Sea Apr 25, 2014 6:00:25pm |
re: #220 GeneJockey
We’ve got so much ivy in our yard we’ve finally decided to give up and bring in professionals. Mrs. Jockey has contacted Rent-A-Goat.
Photos are required Mr. Jockey. Goatapocolypse
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wrenchwench Apr 25, 2014 6:00:29pm |
My niece turned 1 year old last Sunday. I’ll have to find a good photo tomorrow. A week earlier was our host’s b-day. Belated birthday greetings!
Later, lizards.
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 6:00:45pm |
re: #241 CuriousLurker
Baby goats are ridiculously cute, but I had a friend back in TX who lived in the country and had a bunch of goats—I quickly learned how unwise it is to position yourself downwind of them. *gag*
It could not POSSIBLY be worse than a pig farm. Nothing could be worse than a pig farm.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 25, 2014 6:01:53pm |
Has this been discussed?
The People of Stormfront: Who Backs the Largest Hate Site on the Internet?
from the SPLC
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CuriousLurker Apr 25, 2014 6:01:56pm |
re: #245 GeneJockey
It could not POSSIBLY be worse than a pig farm. Nothing could be worse than a pig farm.
Lucky for me I’ve never been to one!
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 6:03:24pm |
re: #243 Stanley Sea
Photos are required Mr. Jockey. Goatapocolypse
We’re still waiting for the estimate, so I’m not sure when this will happen. Soon, I hope.
If only they’d do bamboo. Anyone rent Pandas?
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 6:04:14pm |
re: #247 CuriousLurker
Lucky for me I’ve never been to one!
Me neither. Driving past several on Interstate 80 in Iowa was…memorable.
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Stanley Sea Apr 25, 2014 6:04:26pm |
re: #232 b.d.
WE SHOULD GET EDWARDS TO RUN AGAINST HILLARY THIS TIME. WHAT HAPPENS IN HIS PRIVATE LIFE IS NOBODY’S BUSINESS AND AMERICA NEEDS HIS MESSAGE MORE THAN EVER!!
I’M OFF TO WRITE A CHECK! WHO’S WITH ME?!
//
Edwards was awesome as a representative for the 47% but then he took money from a rich woman to support the woman he fucked while supporting the 47%.
toast. jesus christo he’s toast.
I feel sorry for his daughter. It’s where she landed.
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GeneJockey Apr 25, 2014 6:06:26pm |
re: #224 klys
Haha.
We did one of the farmhouse meals at Harley Farms a few years back now (maybe 2?). Part of his Christmas present.
The best part of April is all the baby goats. (Less so the placenta, but …it’s a farm.)
When you said, “Farmhouse meals”, then “Baby Goats”, I thought you were talking about eating them (kid is supposedly delicious).
Then you mentioned placentas, and that brought me up short.
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klys Apr 25, 2014 6:07:01pm |
re: #252 GeneJockey
When you said, “Farmhouse meals”, then “Baby Goats”, I thought you were talking about eating them (kid is supposedly delicious).
Then you mentioned placentas, and that brought me up short.
I’m good at that. :D
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Stanley Sea Apr 25, 2014 6:07:19pm |
re: #249 CuriousLurker
I’ve gotta get some dinner. Later, lizards.
me too, but that means I’m away. Charles? (ha)
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FemNaziBitch Apr 25, 2014 6:08:26pm |
re: #245 GeneJockey
It could not POSSIBLY be worse than a pig farm. Nothing could be worse than a pig farm.
SKUNK
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FemNaziBitch Apr 25, 2014 6:09:33pm |
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DKoch Apr 25, 2014 6:11:55pm |
re: #232 b.d.
That’s pretty close to what happened.
Obama posted a stunning victory in Iowa, coming from behind to beat both of his competitors by 10 points with an unprecedented turn out of youth and first time voters and then he delivered one of his patented stem winding speeches, but over at Dkos they went into the five stages of grief and declared Edwards the winner.
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b_sharp Apr 25, 2014 6:16:26pm |
re: #245 GeneJockey
It could not POSSIBLY be worse than a pig farm. Nothing could be worse than a pig farm.
I second this.
And third it.
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ObserverArt Apr 25, 2014 6:16:37pm |
re: #256 FemNaziBitch
Uggh. That image of David Duke and his 70’s porn star ‘stache. The first stab at wingnut rebranding right there. A kinder gentler racist, cleaned-up, business-like and no sheets and hood. And of course, Black being blatant.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 25, 2014 6:19:36pm |
re: #261 ObserverArt
Uggh. That image of David Duke and his 70’s porn star ‘stache. The first stab at wingnut rebranding right there. A kinder gentler racist, cleaned-up, business-like and no sheets and hood. And of course, Black being blatant.
The report it links to is freaky.
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ObserverArt Apr 25, 2014 6:28:05pm |
re: #262 FemNaziBitch
The report it links to is freaky.
Very freaky. Half those guys have a satisfied look on their faces in those images. That always gives me the creeps. I’m going to bookmark and read that one later.
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Political Atheist Apr 25, 2014 6:43:04pm |
re: #201 CuriousLurker
I should probably look for a decent standard zoom with a wide aperture, preferably without having to go into the 1K+ L-Series lenses. Ugh.
Decisions, decisions… *sigh*
Patience padawan. Easy on the budget a minute.
I look at it like this. At times the next lens is a money trap. It takes me time to fully explore what a lens can do let alone 3. That having been said-I have come to these conclusions.
Prime=crisp. It pays to use your feet to compose. Low aperture#=cool bokeh. Tamron has surprisingly good performance for the money sometimes almost “L” series specs.
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