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1 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2014 2:34:31pm

Nice illustration. Love the watercolor.

2 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 2:43:07pm

For some reason the expression on the goat’s face just cracks me up.

3 freetoken  May 4, 2014 2:48:35pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

They always look mildly bemused.

4 Stanley Sea  May 4, 2014 2:49:15pm

Dad is in some serious hurt.

5 freetoken  May 4, 2014 2:53:11pm

Not so bemused down in Tennessee, where the purge at Bryan College is almost over:

Faculty leaving Bryan College after change in beliefs

[…]

The dispute at Bryan College, named for William Jennings Bryan, began in February when trustees clarified the school’s statement of belief to state that Adam and Eve were historical people who were not created from previously existing life forms.

[…]

The protest was prompted by the loss of at least nine of the college’s 44 full-time professors, two of whom were fired after rejecting the college’s clarified statement of belief, and statements by Bryan College President Stephen Livesay, who has downplayed the controversy.

After a school fundraiser last month, Livesay told the Chattanooga Times Free Press that students are happy and “the reality is we are solid.”

Some students last week said that the comments were disheartening.

There seems to be an emotional disconnect with what we’re seeing and how Dr. Livesay perceives things,” student body vice president Allison Baker said.

[…]

The “disconnect” by the college president is more than just over whether the college is “solid”. He and the board are disconnected from reality.

6 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2014 2:59:52pm

7 thedopefishlives  May 4, 2014 3:02:52pm

I’ve been refining my technique of grilling bone-in meats - specifically, rack of ribs - and it appears to be paying off. This makes the second straight rack where I’ve grilled them to doneness but not overdone - juicy, fall-off-the-bone meat with no pink. If I can maintain my dominance over the big rack, I might finally be at a place to start experimenting with flavors.

8 sagehen  May 4, 2014 3:04:19pm

A classic Slacktivist column, “The ‘biblical view’ that’s younger than the happy meal”

patheos.com

In 1979, McDonald’s introduced the Happy Meal.

Sometime after that, it was decided that the Bible teaches that human life begins at conception.

Ask any American evangelical, today, what the Bible says about abortion and they will insist that this is what it says. (Many don’t actually believe this, but they know it is the only answer that won’t get them in trouble.) They’ll be a little fuzzy on where, exactly, the Bible says this, but they’ll insist that it does.

That’s new. If you had asked American evangelicals that same question the year I was born you would not have gotten the same answer.

That year, Christianity Today — edited by Harold Lindsell, champion of “inerrancy” and author of The Battle for the Bible — published a special issue devoted to the topics of contraception and abortion. That issue included many articles that today would get their authors, editors — probably even their readers — fired from almost any evangelical institution. For example, one article by a professor from Dallas Theological Seminary criticized the Roman Catholic position on abortion as unbiblical.

9 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 3:05:48pm

Derpy goat is derpy.
Heh.

10 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 4, 2014 3:07:09pm

re: #5 freetoken

I see the Southern Baptist Convention purge is moving along as planned.

11 Kragar  May 4, 2014 3:09:12pm

re: #10 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I see the Southern Baptist Convention purge is moving along as planned.

Religious liberty means having the freedom to purge the heretics

12 Targetpractice  May 4, 2014 3:09:14pm

re: #6 FemNaziBitch

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“Obama’s covering something up!”

“Do you know what is being covered up?”

“NO! That’s why we need a special committee to investigate!”

“So why do you know something is being covered up?”

“Because they lied to us!”

“Despite all indications that there was no lie, just evolving understanding of what happened?”

“Don’t buy into their lies! Obama lied, people died!!”

13 Killgore Trout  May 4, 2014 3:10:03pm

In Ukraine, separatists seize one of last government sites in Donetsk

A crowd of more than 2,000 pro-Russia separatists on Sunday night seized one of the last key official sites in the eastern Ukraine city of Donetsk still in the hands of the country’s interim government.
The demonstrators, some armed with sticks and shields and at least one carrying a hunting rifle, marched about two miles across Donetsk and broke down the doors to the military prosecutor’s office, raising the banner of their movement from the roof.

The building was unguarded, with a couple of police officers standing at a distance looking bored.

The military prosecutor’s office joined the Donetsk regional administration building, Ukraine’s Security Service station and other official sites now in the hands of a pro-Russia rebellion that has engulfed at least two regions in eastern Ukraine.

14 Killgore Trout  May 4, 2014 3:18:12pm

Putin’s pivot towards Asia
Chinese banks eye Russian deals as US sanctions bite

Chinese banks could be beneficiaries of deteriorating relations between Russia and the West, with pressure growing on European and US investment banks to stop dealing with Moscow.

Bankers say sanctions imposed on Russia in response to the Ukraine crisis are creating a situation similar to that in Iran, where Western banks and companies are effectively barred from doing business by regulators at home.

“We don’t have any problem with Russia,” said a senior executive with a mainland bank in Hong Kong, who declined to be named. “If American banks can’t take any Russia-related clients, then I will definitely welcome them to do business with us.”

15 thedopefishlives  May 4, 2014 3:18:42pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Evening Eeyore. Still determined to be all doom-and-gloom?

16 Belafon  May 4, 2014 3:22:03pm

re: #15 thedopefishlives

He’s looking for the correct combination of words that will launch and control the drone attached to LGF.

17 thedopefishlives  May 4, 2014 3:23:43pm

re: #16 Belafon

He’s looking for the correct combination of words that will launch and control the drone attached to LGF.

We have a drone now? Wow, that’s quite an upgrade. When I first joined we were still on derpdar-controlled autocannons.

18 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2014 3:26:24pm

re: #15 thedopefishlives

Evening Eeyore. Still determined to be all doom-and-gloom?

Sunshine!

Youtube Video

19 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2014 3:35:43pm

For some reason this always makes me think of wrenchwench. Maybe because of where she lives and how she sometimes does page about Native Americans… Plus, Midnight Special, Wolfman Jack! Gawd, I’m ancient.

Youtube Video

20 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 3:36:42pm
21 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2014 3:38:38pm

The unofficial LGF theme song:

Youtube Video

22 Bubblehead II  May 4, 2014 3:39:34pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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Video

Do you apply before or after the *headdesk* or both?

23 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 3:40:17pm
24 thedopefishlives  May 4, 2014 3:42:38pm

re: #22 Bubblehead II

Do you apply before or after the *headdesk* or both?

Place HeadOn on the desk. Apply head to desk. Repeat until effective.

25 Bubblehead II  May 4, 2014 3:45:27pm

re: #24 thedopefishlives

Place HeadOn on the desk. Apply head to desk. Repeat until effective unconscious.

ftfy.

26 Killgore Trout  May 4, 2014 3:50:06pm

re: #15 thedopefishlives

Evening Eeyore. Still determined to be all doom-and-gloom?

Here’s a ray of hope
Rebels pin hopes on unified southern front

Rebels in southern Syria say they’ve united tens of thousands of fighters and rejected the extremism and infighting that have plagued the uprising elsewhere, but still want external support.

The so-called Southern Front was created around two months ago and includes some 30,000 fighters from more than 55 mainstream rebel groups operating from the Jordanian border to the outskirts of Damascus and the Golan Heights, the rebels say.

The new alliance is in part aimed at alleviating Western concerns that providing greater aid to the fractious rebels would bolster Al-Qaeda-inspired groups and see weapons fall into the hands of extremists.

“The objective is to unify fragmented factions to topple the regime of [President Bashar] Assad and work on creating a democratic state that would preserve the rights of all segments and minorities,” Ibrahim al-Jabawi, a former police brigadier general turned spokesman for the alliance, told AFP in Amman.

27 Lidane  May 4, 2014 3:53:57pm

My idiot guvnah, y’all:

I swear it’s a matter of time before these assholes pass a law changing the death penalty here to two bullets in the back of the head.

28 Lidane  May 4, 2014 3:55:57pm

re: #16 Belafon

He’s looking for the correct combination of words that will launch and control the drone attached to LGF.

Ooh. We have a drone? Neat! What’s it pointed at?

29 Dark_Falcon  May 4, 2014 3:56:15pm

re: #27 Lidane

My idiot guvnah, y’all:

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I swear it’s a matter of time before these assholes pass a law changing the death penalty here to two bullets in the back of the head.

That would have the virtue of being quick and reliable.

30 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2014 3:57:30pm

Time to go look for white rabbits to chase. Later, lizards.

Youtube Video

Grace Slick on the white rabbit, religion, politics, etc. Kind of interesting.

Youtube Video

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31 Lidane  May 4, 2014 3:59:02pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

That would have the virtue of being quick and reliable.

So would the guillotine.

Given the problems here in Texas with the death penalty in how it’s applied and how the appeals process works, making it quicker and more reliable is a BAD thing, not a good one.

32 Bubblehead II  May 4, 2014 3:59:42pm

re: #27 Lidane

My idiot guvnah, y’all:

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I swear it’s a matter of time before these assholes pass a law changing the death penalty here to two bullets in the back of the head.

And he’s considering another run for President.

Please proceed.

33 Lidane  May 4, 2014 4:04:34pm

re: #32 Bubblehead II

And he’s considering another run for President.

Please proceed.

Oh man. The 2016 GOP primaries are going to be hilarious. I’m already expecting ALL BENGHAZI ALL THE TIME, but if they start going on about waterboarding being the new baptism and feeding death row inmates to the lions, I’m going to enjoy it.

It’s going to be a contest to see who can suck up to the RWNJs the most then months of wondering why they’ve scared everyone else away.

34 Stanley Sea  May 4, 2014 4:04:43pm

Kent State doc on cnn now.

35 Bubblehead II  May 4, 2014 4:05:10pm

re: #31 Lidane

So would the guillotine.

Given the problems here in Texas with the death penalty in how it’s applied and how the appeals process works, making it quicker and more reliable is a BAD thing, not a good one.

DF and KT are fast becoming scroll overs for me. They’re both republicans hacks who see violence/killing as a means to the end. Nothing more.

36 Belafon  May 4, 2014 4:05:37pm

re: #27 Lidane

Considering how willing he is to starve and deny healthcare to children, I’m not surprised.

37 Shiplord Kirel  May 4, 2014 4:05:38pm

My security guard friend reports working a large event where nearly everyone was polite and respectful. Believe it or not, this was a fraternity beer bust and barbecue which was attended by some 500 young people. Most of the attendees were falling down drunk in short order but Just three people were thrown out for fighting, and about a dozen for underage drinking. Nobody used terms like “rent-a-pig,” the police were not called, nobody went to the hospital, and there were no injuries.

This is in stark contrast to other Lubbock events, such as weddings, office parties, and even church and charity events, where some yokel, drunk or otherwise, will almost invariably want to provoke, insult, or (briefly) actually fight. The latter yokels often include the movers and shakers of society in that pesthole, business owners, media droids, lawyers, and other assholes.

What does it say about a city when the most notably decent people there are drunk college students?

I suggest moving Texas Tech to Sweetwater or somewhere, and letting Lubbock rot in its own toxic cultural atmosphere. Getting out was the best thing I have done since my younger daughter was conceived.

38 Lidane  May 4, 2014 4:06:19pm
39 ObserverArt  May 4, 2014 4:06:33pm

re: #27 Lidane

My idiot guvnah, y’all:

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I swear it’s a matter of time before these assholes pass a law changing the death penalty here to two bullets in the back of the head.

Perry was on Meet The Press this morning. I think he said he wasn’t worried about the combination of drugs that backfired in Oklahoma and Ohio. He said Texas only uses one drug. I was unaware of that. Anyone know what it is they use and how effective it is? I don’t do a lot of study of methods as it creeps me out. But in light of Oklahoma and being a resident of Ohio, I’m studying it a bit more.

40 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:09:10pm
41 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:11:32pm

Is it supposed to be super scary because the camera is up there in the sky?

What’s with the irrational fear of being photographed, but only if it’s from a plane?

42 thedopefishlives  May 4, 2014 4:12:16pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Is it supposed to be super scary because the camera is up there in the sky?

What’s with the irrational fear of being photographed, but only if it’s from a plane?

Doubly interesting if one thinks about such things as Google Maps. Do people realize how many aerial/satellite photos those guys have?

43 Belafon  May 4, 2014 4:16:04pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

The difference, to me, is not in the technology, but the monitoring. You can’t actively zoom somewhere if you aren’t monitoring it all the time. Most public surveillance is not actively monitored. One of the things about the NSA data collection, that made it OK, was that the data being collected wasn’t being monitored by people, and in order to go deeper, you had to get a warrant. With this, someone may choose to monitor a person for no reason.

44 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 4:16:16pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

That would have the virtue of being quick and reliable.

msnbc.com

45 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:17:00pm

Just finished reading this for the third time: Zxcvbn: Realistic Password Strength Estimation | Verious.

Starting to understand it now. This is our new password strength estimator, the best open source library I could find.

The name is a little bit of programmer’s humor, in a library that estimates password strength. Type it and you’ll see why.

46 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 4, 2014 4:17:02pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

You should have warned us that link went to Conor Freiderpsdork. I regret giving them a click.

47 kirkspencer  May 4, 2014 4:17:15pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Is it supposed to be super scary because the camera is up there in the sky?

What’s with the irrational fear of being photographed, but only if it’s from a plane?

The big thing is that it is (potentially) everywhere. Other security cameras are fixed location, so you can do things out of their sight. (Yes, more than a few don’t seem to see the conflicting problem.)

The second issue is that it’s not blocked by walls. The exception to the fixed location is cameras in cars and other vehicles. These avoid their blind spots.

In the end the problems are “for thee and not for me.” They want to catch all the crime in progress done by others and to them, but what they do isn’t really criminal. (sarcasm)

48 Bubblehead II  May 4, 2014 4:18:23pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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Nothing. Get used to it. You are under video surveillance the minute you walk into a store, mall, casino or on my street. Hell, if you have cam connected to you computer you face the potential of being spied upon.

This is the world we live in. GET USED TO IT!

49 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:19:19pm

re: #43 Belafon

This is a better article to read than Friedersdorf’s overheated piece:

cironline.org

I agree that this is pushing the envelope of the type of real time surveillance possible, but in public places the law’s pretty clear that you have no reasonable expectation of privacy.

50 Skip Intro  May 4, 2014 4:20:15pm

51 Lidane  May 4, 2014 4:20:23pm

re: #42 thedopefishlives

Doubly interesting if one thinks about such things as Google Maps. Do people realize how many aerial/satellite photos those guys have?

Or Google Street View.

If you’ve got no issue with Google mapping every inch of your city so you can get around easier, getting bent out of shape over aerial photography seems weird, IMO.

52 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:20:56pm

Also note the purpose the system was used for (Friedersdorf buries it) - a spree of necklace snatchings, which is not a tiny little nuisance, but a serious assault crime.

53 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 4:21:02pm

I can see my house from space.
Really.
Thanks to google earth.
;)

54 kirkspencer  May 4, 2014 4:22:43pm

re: #48 Bubblehead II

Nothing. Get used to it. You are under video surveillance the minute you walk into a store, mall, casino or on my street. Hell, if you have cam connected to you computer you face the potential of being spied upon.

This is the world we live in. GET USED TO IT!

Every generation of the past century and a half or so has faced what I consider technological breaks - views of ‘reality’ that are driven by technological advances that are almost inconceivably different.

One of the big current ones is the concept of “privacy”. Or rather, what is meant by “privacy”. I think that it’s going to be a huge culture shock for us older folk as the ones with the newer concept come to be in charge.

“How can we stand having everything we are and do open for everyone to see?”
“What, you never used facebook or youtube?”

55 ObserverArt  May 4, 2014 4:23:19pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

Kent State doc on cnn now.

As soon as I saw your comment I flipped it on. Thanks for mentioning it. I had forgotten it was May 4th…Kent State day.

56 William Barnett-Lewis  May 4, 2014 4:23:26pm

re: #8 sagehen

A classic Slacktivist column, “The ‘biblical view’ that’s younger than the happy meal”

patheos.com

I like siccing Genesis 2:7 on them as it implies that life only begins at birth with the entry of the soul along with the first breath. To my knowledge (which is not as good as I’d like) there isn’t anything else on the topic.

57 Bubblehead II  May 4, 2014 4:23:56pm

re: #53 Varek Raith

I can see my house from space.
Really.
Thanks to google earth.
;)

Not to mention Street view. Thanks Google.

58 William Barnett-Lewis  May 4, 2014 4:24:23pm

re: #15 thedopefishlives

Evening Eeyore. Still determined to be all doom-and-gloom?

Better than the violence porn.

59 Skip Intro  May 4, 2014 4:26:37pm

re: #53 Varek Raith

I can see my house from space.
Really.
Thanks to google earth.
;)

And I can see Russia from my house.

Damn! Sarah Palin was right!

60 thedopefishlives  May 4, 2014 4:27:00pm

re: #59 Skip Intro

And I can see Russia from my house.

Damn! Sarah Palin was right!

….

Well played.

61 William Barnett-Lewis  May 4, 2014 4:27:20pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Image: password_strength.png

62 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:30:11pm
63 Shiplord Kirel  May 4, 2014 4:31:02pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

That would have the virtue of being quick and reliable.

Pretty hard on the witnesses and the executioners, though. That is the real reason for this bizarre century-long effort to develop ever more “humane” (ie superficially sanitary and bloodless) methods of execution.

As I pointed out the other night, Arizona switched to the gas chamber because the last hanging victim, one Eva Dugan (also the first and only woman hanged in Arizona) was decapitated by an excessively long fall. In the sexist atmosphere of the times, it was doubly gruesome because it was the first execution at which women were allowed as witnesses. Eva’s head snapped off and rolled to a stop at the witnesses’ feet. The entire large chamber was sprayed with blood. 5 witnesses, 3 men and 2 women, are reported to have fainted. Unpleasant as it was for the staff and witnesses, though, it was probably no worse for the victim than a properly executed hanging. Nevertheless, the state could not have witnesses showered with blood and heads rolling around at official behest so prolonged suffocation by lethal gas was decreed as a substitute.

64 Skip Intro  May 4, 2014 4:33:15pm

re: #39 ObserverArt

Perry was on Meet The Press this morning. I think he said he wasn’t worried about the combination of drugs that backfired in Oklahoma and Ohio.

Gotta go with Perry here. Seeing how much experience Texas has killing people I’m sure they’ve got it down pat.

65 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:35:55pm
66 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:36:15pm
67 ObserverArt  May 4, 2014 4:36:39pm

This CNN Kent State program is getting me all pissed off again. One of the worst days for freedom and the US Constitution ever.

Grrrr. Fuck you again Jim Rhodes.

68 Dark_Falcon  May 4, 2014 4:40:04pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

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Don’t waste your time on him, Charles. He’s indulging his man-crush on Glenn Greenwald, not making a serious argument.

69 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 4, 2014 4:40:10pm

re: #55 ObserverArt

If you’d read the end of the last thread, you would have known. ;)

70 Lidane  May 4, 2014 4:40:18pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel

Pretty hard on the witnesses and the executioners, though. That is the real reason for this bizarre century-long effort to develop ever more “humane” (ie superficially sanitary and bloodless) methods of execution.

Exactly. We’re obsessed with finding the clean, bloodless way to kill someone so that our sensibilities aren’t offended. As long as we’re convinced that executions are just like putting a dog to sleep stories like the one out of Oklahoma won’t have any real impact.

I can guarantee that if we used methods like execution-style murder, firing squads, hanging, or the guillotine, things would be very different in this country. It’s the sanitary methods that keep the death penalty going more than anything else.

71 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:41:08pm
72 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:41:45pm
73 Stanley Sea  May 4, 2014 4:42:35pm

re: #67 ObserverArt

This CNN Kent State program is getting me all pissed off again. One of the worst days for freedom and the US Constitution ever.

Grrrr. Fuck you again Jim Rhodes.

I have to research this now. Watching. Infuriating. What heads actually rolled?

Puts Benghazi in its fucking place.

74 thedopefishlives  May 4, 2014 4:42:48pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

The derp is quite strong with this one. I take it it is a dudebro?

75 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:43:03pm
76 jaunte  May 4, 2014 4:44:19pm

Slippery slopery.

77 William Barnett-Lewis  May 4, 2014 4:44:44pm

re: #67 ObserverArt

This CNN Kent State program is getting me all pissed off again. One of the worst days for freedom and the US Constitution ever.

Grrrr. Fuck you again Jim Rhodes.

I met a gentleman once who was in the Ohio National Guard while helping to train up an MP company for deployment in Bosnia. He claimed that he tried to avert the disaster by wanting to have the troopers not have ammo or bayonets so they would use the rifles more like riot sticks than anything else. He was ignored as he’d just gotten back from Vietnam and didn’t “understand” Ohio… O_o.

He claimed he’d been associated with the Phoenix Program (en.wikipedia.org) while in Vietnam and that he often wondered about karma as a result…

No way to know if the story was true but it was far different from the usual “war stories” told between troops and the look in his eyes was believable. This was in the early 90’s and he was close to retirement.

78 Justanotherhuman  May 4, 2014 4:45:15pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

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Charles, Conor is on his soapbox; don’t expect answers. : )

79 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:45:43pm
80 Lidane  May 4, 2014 4:46:01pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Try thinking more than one step ahead and you may find yourself seeing the wisdom of civil libertarian critiques.

Shorter Friedersdorf:

81 Justanotherhuman  May 4, 2014 4:46:04pm

Whee! Wonder if surveillance cameras would have caught this?

Widespread but unconfirmed reports of a meteor strike in Ontario, Canada; American Meteor Society is investigating - @CTVNews
read more on ctvnews.ca

82 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 4:47:07pm

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

Whee! Wonder if surveillance cameras would have caught this?

Widespread but unconfirmed reports of a meteor strike in Ontario, Canada; American Meteor Society is investigating - @CTVNews
read more on ctvnews.ca

Useless drone!
Er…
Nothing, just nothing.

83 Targetpractice  May 4, 2014 4:48:30pm

What is it about the word “drone” that sends them into spasms and frothing about CIVIL LIBERTIES!!!? Most of the sensors that you can fit a drone now have been riding around on police helicopters for years.

84 ObserverArt  May 4, 2014 4:48:57pm

re: #69 Rev_Arthur_Belling

If you’d read the end of the last thread, you would have known. ;)

Was busy stripping wood. I jumped into the new thread first and lucky saw the comment about the show and only missed a couple minutes.

I’m already pretty well versed in Kent State history and thought I’d check this out and see if there was anything new. Some video I had not seen. It all still pisses me off.

85 Killgore Trout  May 4, 2014 4:49:00pm

re: #35 Bubblehead II

DF and KT are fast becoming scroll overs for me. They’re both republicans hacks who see violence/killing as a means to the end. Nothing more.

lol, I’m not a republican or conservative. Never was.

86 Bubblehead II  May 4, 2014 4:49:04pm

I’ll try to put this as simple as I can. The so called “surveillance society” we live in is as old as mankind. As soon as we as an individual step out of our home, we become susceptible to being observed and our actions noticed.

Whether it from our neighbors or the Government (who can/will ask) is moot.

We have been and always will be monitored in the public sphere.

The only thing that has changed is technology has made it easier to do.

And yes. As a private citizen, I CAN SPY ON YOU.

As long as I DO NO VIOLATE YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY I can watch you.

Creepy isn’t it

87 Targetpractice  May 4, 2014 4:50:15pm

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

Whee! Wonder if surveillance cameras would have caught this?

Widespread but unconfirmed reports of a meteor strike in Ontario, Canada; American Meteor Society is investigating - @CTVNews
read more on ctvnews.ca

Ontario? Crap, the targeting sensors on the mass drivers need to be recalibrated again.

88 jaunte  May 4, 2014 4:52:04pm

re: #86 Bubblehead II

I have at least three neighbors keeping a close eye on when I’m going to cut the lawn.

89 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:52:35pm
90 William Barnett-Lewis  May 4, 2014 4:53:01pm

re: #86 Bubblehead II

The fear of Ms. Grundy seeing something not normal or conforming has always had more to do with people being “respectable” than anything else. One reason kids move to the big cities is to get away from that kind of surveillance that has been going on for forever.

91 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 4:54:15pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

lol, I’m not a republican or conservative. Never was.

Now you’ve done it!

You won’t be getting a Christmas Card from the Kochs!!!!

92 Shiplord Kirel  May 4, 2014 4:54:31pm

re: #73 Stanley Sea

I have to research this now. Watching. Infuriating. What heads actually rolled?

Pits Benghazi in its fucking place.

James A. Michener took time out from his usual sweeping historical fiction to write an excellent non-fiction account of the Kent State incident.
Kent State: What Happened and Why
This examines the viciously divisive atmosphere of the time in graphic detail, and does a good job on the aftermath, including the lack of repercussions for those responsible.
It is not commonly realized today that the shootings met with widespread approval at the time, especially from right wing media and politicians. President Nixon said years later that he deliberately toned down his response to avoid antagonizing his base. The Army did not have direct jurisdiction because the Guardsmen were under state command, but they did have some right to investigate since they had supplied the weapons. That investigation was squelched before it started though.

93 jaunte  May 4, 2014 4:54:34pm
Four youths involved in a series of snatching incidents, including the one near Gandhi Maidan police station on March 7, were arrested on Friday. The gang, behind 15-20 snatching incidents in Patna, was giving the police sleepless nights. A week ago, they had had snatched a chain from a girl riding a two-wheeler with her friend near Gandhi Maidan police station. The act was caught on CCTV cameras.
telegraphindia.com
94 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:55:07pm
95 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 4:55:10pm

re: #88 jaunte

I have at least three neighbors keeping a close eye on when I’m going to cut the lawn.

They lay down with their heads on the grass!?!?!

96 Bubblehead II  May 4, 2014 4:55:39pm

re: #88 jaunte

I have at least three neighbors keeping a close eye on when I’m going to cut the lawn.

Yep. And if they thought something was amiss at your place and called the cops nothing would be said. Now would it.

97 jaunte  May 4, 2014 4:55:43pm

re: #95 sattv4u2

It’s a very small neighborhood.

98 Justanotherhuman  May 4, 2014 4:55:58pm

re: #86 Bubblehead II

I’ll try to put this as simple as I can. The so called “surveillance society” we live in is as old as mankind. As soon as we as an individual step out of our home, we become susceptible to being observed and our actions noticed.

Whether it from our neighbors or the Government (who can/will ask) is moot.

We have been and always will be monitored in the public sphere.

The only thing that has changed is technology has made it easier to do.

And yes. As a private citizen, I CAN SPY ON YOU.

As long as I DO NO VIOLATE YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY I can watch you.

Creepy isn’t it

Sometimes, I don’t even have to look out my window.

I know the comings and goings of the guy who drives the loud-assed, souped-up pickup truck any time of the day. : )

Sometimes, it even wakes me up.

And if I’m on my balcony having a private conversation, the sounds carry so well my downstairs neighbors will hear it as well as the person I’m talking with if we don’t whisper. Same with them when they’re on their patio.

Even your home isn’t always private—esp when you are making enough noise to disturb the peace, i.e., loud parties, domestic quarrels, etc, whose noise carries out into the neighborhood.

“Privacy” is really only a “sometimes” thing under the right circumstances.

99 thedopefishlives  May 4, 2014 4:57:07pm

re: #98 Justanotherhuman

I had an interfering old b-word of a neighbor who photographed my dad and I taking golf swings in our back field one day. We were absolutely irritated, but she didn’t do anything wrong. (Well, aside from being completely insensitive, ignorant, and an all-around b-word.)

100 Killgore Trout  May 4, 2014 4:57:10pm

re: #91 sattv4u2

Now you’ve done it!

You won’t be getting a Christmas Card from the Kochs!!!!

Just don’t tell the Koch Bros I’m an atheist, they beat me with candy canes until I convert.

101 Stanley Sea  May 4, 2014 4:57:41pm

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel

James A. Michener took time out from his usual sweeping historical fiction to write an excellent non-fiction account of the Kent State incident.
Kent State: What Happened and Why
This examines the viciously divisive atmosphere of the time in graphic detail, and does a good job on the aftermath, including the lack of repercussions for those responsible.
It is not commonly realized today that the shootings met with widespread approval at the time, especially from right wing media and politicians. President Nixon said years later that he deliberately toned down his response to avoid antagonizing his base. The Army did not have direct jurisdiction because the Guardsmen were under state command, but they did have some right to investigate since they had supplied the weapons. That investigation was squelched before it started though.

Thank you. Much.

102 Skip Intro  May 4, 2014 4:58:07pm

Damn near everybody carries cell phones with video cameras that they use all the time, then upload the pics and videos to some damn social network site.

What is this privacy thing you all keep talking about?

103 compound_Idaho  May 4, 2014 4:58:39pm

compound_idaho waving at google street view truck

I don’t really expect privacy when I go outside. I expect to see my neighbors. It’s a bit weird if he takes my picture, but whatever. It’s just really weird if he posts it on the internet with my address.

104 ObserverArt  May 4, 2014 4:58:51pm

re: #73 Stanley Sea

I have to research this now. Watching. Infuriating. What heads actually rolled?

Puts Benghazi in its fucking place.

None really. It did more or less cause Rhodes his political career, and he was never elected to the US Senate.

Do research it. It is a true American story and it is all about real freedom and real government overstepping.

105 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 4:59:22pm

re: #103 compound_Idaho

compound_idaho waving at google street view truck

I don’t really expect privacy when I go outside. I expect to see my neighbors. It’s a bit weird if he takes my picture, but whatever. It’s just really weird if he posts it on the internet with my address.

I’d have given that google car the finger.
Because, you know, Imma jerk.
XD

106 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 4:59:23pm
107 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:00:18pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Just don’t tell the Koch Bros I’m an atheist, they beat me with candy canes until I convert.

Going around on FaceBook>>

When Jesus is born I get presents
When Jesus dies I get candy

I love Jesus!!

/

108 thedopefishlives  May 4, 2014 5:00:31pm

re: #105 Varek Raith

I’d have given that google car the finger.
Because, you know, Imma jerk.
XD

Varek, you would’ve given the Google car a taste of your latest weapon of mass annihilation and well you know it.

109 Bubblehead II  May 4, 2014 5:00:40pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Then why do you post what you do?

110 Dark_Falcon  May 4, 2014 5:00:48pm

re: #80 Lidane

Shorter Friedersdorf:

[Embedded image]

Another version of Shorter Friedersdorf:

The US government is EBBBILL!1 DROOONEZZZZZ!!1 OW MY BUTT, IT HURTS!!!11

111 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:01:19pm

re: #108 thedopefishlives

Varek, you would’ve given the Google car a taste of your latest weapon of mass annihilation and well you know it.

112 Killgore Trout  May 4, 2014 5:01:30pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

Going around on FaceBook>>

When Jesus is born I get presents
When Jesus dies I get candy

I love Jesus!!

/

Win! Praise JC!

113 Killgore Trout  May 4, 2014 5:02:23pm

re: #109 Bubblehead II

Then why do you post what you do?

I’m interested in world affairs and current events.

114 ObserverArt  May 4, 2014 5:02:40pm

re: #101 Stanley Sea

Thank you. Much.

Good book. Read that many years ago.

115 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:03:17pm

re: #109 Bubblehead II

Then why do you post what you do?

what,,,news stories other than what some whacked out “pastor” with a following that could fit in a phone booth says !?!?!?

116 Floral Giraffe  May 4, 2014 5:04:00pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Just don’t tell the Koch Bros I’m an atheist, they beat me with candy canes until I convert.

You’d look cute covered in stripes!
Just saying….

117 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:04:18pm

re: #115 sattv4u2

what,,,news stories other than what some whacked out “pastor” with a following that could fit in a phone booth says !?!?!?

How about that right wing militia out west setting up armed checkpoints.
You know, the militia that was goaded by the right into a frenzy about big bad BLM?

118 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:04:28pm

re: #116 Floral Giraffe

You’d look cute covered in stripes!
Just saying….

Horizontal or vertical??

119 Killgore Trout  May 4, 2014 5:05:02pm

re: #115 sattv4u2

what,,,news stories other than what some whacked out “pastor” with a following that could fit in a phone booth says !?!?!?

I did post about Arnhem Choudary this morning. Does that count?

120 Floral Giraffe  May 4, 2014 5:05:16pm

re: #118 sattv4u2

Horizontal or vertical??

Yes.

121 Killgore Trout  May 4, 2014 5:05:45pm

re: #116 Floral Giraffe

You’d look cute covered in stripes!
Just saying….

…and I’d be even sweeter!

122 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 5:05:47pm
123 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:06:03pm

ruh roh

gonna be one of “those” nights

Just had a very nice meal. A good sized salad. Some steak, marinated and grilled. Green beans and a baked ‘tater,,,,

AND ,,,,, I’m still hungry

124 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:06:12pm

re: #120 Floral Giraffe

Yes.

CHECKS!!!

125 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:06:23pm

KT also doesn’t like to comment much on stories involving the RW. He always tends to deflect to lefty crap.
Wonder why.

126 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:07:19pm

re: #117 Varek Raith

How about that right wing militia out west setting up armed checkpoints.
You know, the militia that was goaded by the right into a frenzy about big bad BLM?

That was extensively covered by many Many MANY others here

The Ukraine,,,, not so much

127 Justanotherhuman  May 4, 2014 5:09:24pm

Update: WestarEnergy reports 12,000 customers have lost power as a result of the record heat in Wichita, Kan., - @stormchaser4850
see original on twitter.com

It was only 102 deg there today, setting a record for May.

128 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 5:09:59pm
129 Killgore Trout  May 4, 2014 5:10:19pm

re: #125 Varek Raith

KT also doesn’t like to comment much on stories involving the RW. He always tends to deflect to lefty crap.
Wonder why.

What more is there to say? The Bundy Ranch dudes are assholes. There’s not much debate to be had about that.

130 Justanotherhuman  May 4, 2014 5:11:10pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Double negative in his statement, cancelling it out.

131 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:11:26pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

What more is there to say? The Bundy Ranch dudes are assholes. There’s not much debate to be had about that.

But you’ve gone on for how long about OWS?

Give me a break. And it’s not just the Rancher idiots.

132 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:11:43pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

What more is there to say? The Bundy Ranch dudes are assholes. There’s not much debate to be had about that.

Yeah
But you didn’t call them assholes enough times,,, and each by name,, and then broken down into age categories ,,, and hair color ,,,

133 Justanotherhuman  May 4, 2014 5:12:21pm

“Rigorous” is like another word I love to hate—“vibrant” (used extensively by Condi Rice over the years).

134 Floral Giraffe  May 4, 2014 5:12:30pm

Oh, please. KT has a right to his opinions just as you & I do.

135 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:12:50pm

re: #134 Floral Giraffe

Oh, please. KT has a right to his opinions just as you & I do.

OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
//

136 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 4, 2014 5:13:03pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

I don’t think your criticism of this article is not rigorous enough for me to productively engage any more.

Double negative much?

Edit: And, I see JAH beat me to it.

137 jaunte  May 4, 2014 5:13:17pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

He doesn’t seem to want to expand on balancing the “serious privacy implications” vs. crime fighting.

138 William Barnett-Lewis  May 4, 2014 5:13:32pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

But you’ve gone on for how long about OWS?

Give me a break. And it’s not just the Rancher idiots.

He’ll care about Bundy when there is a bloody video he can post or other violence he post about over and over and over and over …

139 Skip Intro  May 4, 2014 5:14:23pm

re: #133 Justanotherhuman

“Rigorous” is like another word I love to hate—“vibrant” (used extensively by Condi Rice over the years).

How about “modality”? Gotta thank Web Therapy for that one.

140 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 5:14:24pm

re: #130 Justanotherhuman

Double negative in his statement, cancelling it out.

He’s rattled, obviously. I love it when buffoons like this make a dumb grammar error while they’re trying to demonstrate their superiority.

141 goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2014 5:14:45pm

re: #103 compound_Idaho

compound_idaho waving at google street view truck

I don’t really expect privacy when I go outside. I expect to see my neighbors. It’s a bit weird if he takes my picture, but whatever. It’s just really weird if he posts it on the internet with my address.

I would argue that Google is making money off of the Street View service, at least in the sense that it reinforces the Maps service which sells business location suggestions. That they’re incorporating people’s likeness, albeit randomly and without overt intent, into their product. Therefore any pictures depicting an identifiable person not accompanied by a signed waiver would violate that persons right to control their image in association with a commercial product. I think Google has opened themselves up to a ton of class actionable civil torts, and relying on a ton of people not knowing their likeness is being used without consent to get away with it.

Google Reveals How it Will Make Money on Maps

You didn’t think Google (GOOG) was offering up all of those maps that you see all over the Web as just a goodwill gesture, did you? Now developers who use Google’s Maps UI including Apple (AAPL), with their Maps.app on iPhone, will be supporting Google’s advertising efforts.

Google will be monetizing its Maps applications and Maps APIs by letting businesses embed their logos on the maps that Google provides … for a fee.

Note the above article was written in 2011, and Apple stopped using Google for it’s own maps program in September of 2012, because they didn’t want to help monetize Google’s product.

142 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 4, 2014 5:15:30pm

As an aside to the current conversation, there’s already witness video posted of the nine acrobats injured in the circus accident that happened earlier today at the Dunkin Donut Center.

It’s on Gawker. I’m not going to link to it, you can find it if you want.

143 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:15:52pm

re: #134 Floral Giraffe

Oh, please. KT has a right to his opinions just as you & I do.

Yep, just as I’m free to point out his obvious inconsistencies.

144 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:16:41pm

re: #143 Varek Raith

Yep, just as I’m free to point out his obvious inconsistencies.

Well, everyone needs a hobby!!!
/

145 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:17:34pm

re: #144 sattv4u2

Well, everyone needs a hobby!!!
/

Just like yours is passive aggressive sarc trolling.
:P

146 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 5:17:56pm

re: #141 goddamnedfrank

Google Maps actually has an algorithm that blurs facial features.

147 goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2014 5:18:23pm

re: #125 Varek Raith

KT also doesn’t like to comment much on stories involving the RW. He always tends to deflect to lefty crap.
Wonder why.

KT has three basic motivations that I can see.

1. Basic contrarianism. This explains your observation, since LGF trends heavily liberal now.

2. Animus towards activism. KT hates anything that smacks of effort.

3. Misogyny. KT likes seeing women be physically assaulted, particularly liberal women (See 1.) He finds it “funny.”

148 ObserverArt  May 4, 2014 5:18:33pm

Google Maps is TEH EVIL!!!

They are taking images of everything and mapping it for when Obama takes over the USA on his last day.

Between them and the NSA and others…we will all be rounded up and put in FEMA camps while we sleep. It will all go as planned and we will be futile in any attempt to resist and stop it.

GIVE UP NOW!!!

///

149 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:20:12pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

Just like yours is passive aggressive sarc trolling.
:P

Nah
Me,,,, I’m old enough and don’t give a rats ass enough and of the generation where we just told each other to shove it without worrying that we may have hurt someones “feelings”

So ,,, shove it!!!

150 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:20:51pm

:)

151 goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2014 5:21:51pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

Google Maps actually has an algorithm that blurs facial features.

Got it. How do they deal architectural copyrights?

152 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 5:22:01pm
153 Shiplord Kirel  May 4, 2014 5:22:56pm

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel

The Hard Hat Riot of May 8, 1970 was a direct response to the wave of protests that followed the Kent State shootings.
Construction workers holding a pro-war rally in lower Manhattan attacked antiwar demonstrators near Federal Hall. Seventy people were injured and six arrested. The hard hat rally, and probably the assault itself, were organized by Peter Brennan, a union official who later served as Secretary of Labor in the Nixon administration.

154 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2014 5:24:30pm
155 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 4, 2014 5:25:29pm

It’s always helpful to remember this little gem from 2009 when discussing Young Conor:

Dear Jonah Goldberg,

I’m writing this letter as a fan - I’ve tremendous respect for the pioneering work you did at National Review Online, your attempts to inject humor into political writing, and the enjoyable debates you’ve done with Peter Beinart.

Since I sometimes write for right-of-center political sites, this results in my being labeled an “apostate” or “dissident” conservative (or a RINO traitor, despite my never having claimed to be a Republican), though I’ll bet that you and I have as many positions in common as I do with Reihan Salam, or Ross Douthat, or Ramesh Ponnuru, let alone the average Democrat. Whatever my label among pundits, however, I submit that the GOP is in trouble if it cannot convince voters like me that they’re the best choice at the ballot box.

He seems to have become more libertarian over the last five years, but I don’t know. It’s possible to change your spots (c.f., our host here), but he’s always been the most tedious of tl;dr about everything, so I don’t read him.

156 Justanotherhuman  May 4, 2014 5:25:30pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

The Hard Hat Riot of May 8, 1970 was a direct response to the wave of protests that followed the Kent State shootings.
Construction workers holding a pro-war rally in lower Manhattan attacked antiwar demonstrators near Federal Hall. Seventy people were injured and six arrested. The hard hat rally, and probably the assault itself, were organized by Peter Brennan, a union official who later served as Secretary of Labor in the Nixon administration.

And a strong opponent of affirmative action for minorities in the bldg trades.

Total asshole, but “I am not a crook”, he was heard to say.

157 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:25:36pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

Nah
Me,,,, I’m old enough and don’t give a rats ass enough and of the generation where we just told each other to shove it without worrying that we may have hurt someones “feelings”

So ,,, shove it!!!

NO U.

158 freetoken  May 4, 2014 5:25:54pm


000
SXUS73 KICT 042252 AAA
RERICT

RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WICHITA KS
552 PM CDT SUN MAY 4 2014

...RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE BROKEN AT WICHITA MID-CONTINENT AIRPORT FOR MAY 4TH...AND ALL-TIME EARLIEST 100 DEGREE TEMPERATURE RECORD
BROKEN...

WICHITA MID-CONTINENT AIRPORT REACHED 102 DEGREES AT 306 PM THIS AFTERNOON. THIS NOT ONLY SHATTERED THE MAY 4TH RECORD OF 94 DEGREES SET IN 1963...IT ALSO BROKE THE RECORD FOR THE EARLIEST 100 DEGREE OR HIGHER TEMPERATURE...WHICH WAS MAY 9TH...2011.

159 Chrysicat  May 4, 2014 5:26:03pm
160 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:26:11pm

re: #158 freetoken


Yeesh.

161 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:27:02pm

re: #157 Varek Raith

NO U.

I already did

littlegreenfootballs.com

Now I have to go shove more!!

162 freetoken  May 4, 2014 5:27:25pm
Driest start to the year since the dust bowl!

Image: Driest%20Start%20to%20the%20New%20Year%20in%20Wichita2014b.png

163 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:28:09pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

I already did

littlegreenfootballs.com

Now I have to go shove more!!

Did you remember to chew???

164 Justanotherhuman  May 4, 2014 5:28:25pm

re: #158 freetoken


And will Kansans will argue with you about global warming?

165 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:28:51pm

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

And will Kansans will argue with you about global warming?

AL GORE IS FAT!11!11ty

166 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:29:01pm

Doggies aren’t content frolicking in the big fenced in backyard

Taking them for a stroll

bbiab

167 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:29:45pm

re: #165 Varek Raith

AL GORE IS FAT!11!11ty

It’s weird how often I hear that from AGW deniers.

168 Justanotherhuman  May 4, 2014 5:31:49pm

re: #162 freetoken

Image: Driest%20Start%20to%20the%20New%20Year%20in%20Wichita2014b.png

Wheat and sorghum, the top 2 crops, will probably suffer, but so will #6—marijuana, which has the most dollar value.

169 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:32:53pm

Hmm, perhaps I went too far in my attack.

170 Killgore Trout  May 4, 2014 5:33:28pm

re: #135 sattv4u2

OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
//

Boycott!

171 jaunte  May 4, 2014 5:33:52pm
172 Bubblehead II  May 4, 2014 5:37:17pm

Night Lizards The IF rule. Sleep well. Take me to task tomorrow.

173 Stanley Sea  May 4, 2014 5:37:44pm

re: #138 William Barnett-Lewis

He’ll care about Bundy when there is a bloody video he can post or other violence he post about over and over and over and over …

Kent State actually fits in here.

174 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2014 5:42:59pm

Drive-by: Just dropping this off in case any wonks are interested.

Creating the Federal Judicial System (PDF) - Second edition (1994), courtesy of the Federal Judicial Center:

Contents
About This Publication v
Establishing the Federal Judicial System 2
The Judiciary Act and the Bill of Rights 2
The Judiciary Act’s Provisions 4
A Political Compromise 6
From the Founding to the Evarts Act 9
Reorganizing the Federal Courts 12
The Federal Courts Today 23
Conclusion 25
Notes 27

175 Stanley Sea  May 4, 2014 5:47:12pm

re: #169 Varek Raith

Hmm, perhaps I went too far in my attack.

Nada.

176 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:52:04pm

re: #169 Varek Raith

Hmm, perhaps I went too far in my attack.

Or passively aggressively not far enough!!!

177 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:52:49pm

re: #176 sattv4u2

Or passively aggressively not far enough!!!

No, I was aggressive.
I don’t do passive.
:P

178 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 5:53:30pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

No, I was aggressive.
I don’t do passive.
:P

shove it

179 lawhawk  May 4, 2014 5:55:35pm

Well, it’s time to figure out what camera gear to get. Upgrades.

It’s down to three options:

The Canon 17-55 2.8 IS, the Sigma 17-50 2.8 IS, and the Tamron 17-50 2.8 IS.

The Canon is the more expensive, but heavier of the bunch. The Sigma is the lighest, and the PopPhoto gushes over it. That the Sigma is also the cheapest of the bunch, that’s where I’m leaning.

180 Varek Raith  May 4, 2014 5:58:26pm

re: #178 sattv4u2

shove it

I have soup.

181 Justanotherhuman  May 4, 2014 5:59:37pm

Moved.

182 William Barnett-Lewis  May 4, 2014 5:59:47pm

re: #179 lawhawk

Well, it’s time to figure out what camera gear to get. Upgrades.

It’s down to three options:

The Canon 17-55 2.8 IS, the Sigma 17-50 2.8 IS, and the Tamron 17-50 2.8 IS.

The Canon is the more expensive, but heavier of the bunch. The Sigma is the lighest, and the PopPhoto gushes over it. That the Sigma is also the cheapest of the bunch, that’s where I’m leaning.

Personally, I’d rather the Canon. You’ll have some resale & I’ve never gotten over the utter lemons most of the Sigmas I’ve used have been.

Perhaps these folks would have both in stock and you could try before laying out the big bucks? lensrentals.com

183 Skip Intro  May 4, 2014 6:06:29pm

re: #179 lawhawk

Are you sure you’ll never switch to a full frame camera? I never liked spending money on lenses I knew I’d have to sell later.

And William Barnett-Lewis is correct; Sigma and Tamron lenses’ resale value is basically zip.

Another option: buy used. fredmiranda.com is a good place to look.

184 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 6:13:33pm

re: #180 Varek Raith

I have soup.

get a long straw then,,, and a cork

185 sattv4u2  May 4, 2014 6:13:57pm

re: #179 lawhawk

Consult RWC

186 sffilk  May 5, 2014 10:39:30am

Much silliness! Like it.


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