Idaho Gay Marriage Ban Struck Down

The times they are definitely a-changing
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Another domino falls.

A federal judge has ruled that Idaho’s ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional.

The ruling, handed down by U.S. Magistrate Judge Candy Dale on Tuesday, followed oral arguments on May 5.

Earlier Tuesday, Idaho Gov. Butch Otter (R) filed a preemptive motion asking for an immediate stay if Dale did rule against the gay marriage ban.

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1 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 13, 2014 6:41:05pm

Somehow, I doubt the 9th Circuit will rule in Idaho’s favor. The genie is out of the bottle, and I doubt even the Supremes will whisk away all the marriages that have been duly licensed should a case ever come before them.

2 EPR-radar  May 13, 2014 6:42:13pm
“In the event of an adverse order, Gov. Otter will timely and duly appeal it to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals,” the governor’s motion reads, according to the Spokesman-Review.

Good luck with the 9th circuit, Mr Otter. //

3 EPR-radar  May 13, 2014 6:43:54pm

re: #1 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Somehow, I doubt the 9th Circuit will rule in Idaho’s favor. The genie is out of the bottle, and I doubt even the Supremes will whisk away all the marriages that have been duly licensed should a case ever come before them.

The one issue on which Justice (weathervane) Kennedy is useful.

It really is a farce that so much in the US is left up to the courts which are often as political as the other branches of government.

4 austin_blue  May 13, 2014 6:48:37pm

“Earlier Tuesday, Idaho Gov. Butch Otter (R) filed a preemptive motion asking for an immediate stay if Dale did rule against the gay marriage ban.”

When are these Trogs going to understand they are on the wrong side of history?

5 Belafon  May 13, 2014 6:50:08pm

re: #4 austin_blue

Well, it’s been 150 years on that other issue, and still counting.

6 Cheechako  May 13, 2014 6:52:57pm

Alaska will probably be next:

Couples file suit to overturn Alaska’s ban on same-sex marriage

A lawsuit filed Monday by a group of same-sex couples hopes to challenge Alaska’s same-sex marriage ban, arguing that it violates their due process and equal protection rights under the U.S. Constitution.

The lawsuit, Hamby v. Parnell, filed on behalf of Anchorage resident Matthew Hamby, his partner, and four other couples, is considered the first challenge of the Alaska constitutional amendment since courts around the nation have started to strike down marriage bans, according to attorney Caitlin Shortell

Shortell is one of three attorneys representing the plaintiffs. The lawsuit challenges the Alaska constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, arguing that it violates the couples’ due process and equal protection under the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Alaska voters approved a constitutional amendment in 1998 that said marriage could only exist between a man and woman.

But since then, the courts have slowly begun to overturn similar amendments in other states. Even in Alaska, the state Supreme Court has made incremental decisions to uphold certain specific rights to same-sex partners, including that the state can not deny spousal benefits to couples. Last month, the state supreme court ruled that couples are entitled to the same property tax exemptions, despite the fact that they cannot legally marry in Alaska.

more:
Link

7 Lidane  May 13, 2014 7:03:02pm

re: #4 austin_blue

When are these Trogs going to understand they are on the wrong side of history?

They’re still working on that whole “the Earth is older than 6000 years” thing. And they’re still fighting the Civil War, which they think is up for debate. Oh, and they want to redeem McCarthy too.

It’s gonna be a while.

8 CriticalDragon1177  May 13, 2014 7:05:42pm

Charles Johnson

The times they are definitely a-changing

And the really good news is that the bigots can’t stop it.

9 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 7:07:48pm

Bryan is shitting out a whole herd of freaking cows.

10 Dark_Falcon  May 13, 2014 7:07:59pm

re: #6 Cheechako

The Sarah Palin freakout if that happens will be glorious to watch.

11 austin_blue  May 13, 2014 7:08:52pm

re: #7 Lidane

They’re still working on that whole “the Earth is older than 6000 years” thing. And they’re still fighting the Civil War, which they think is up for debate. Oh, and they want to redeem McCarthy too.

It’s gonna be a while.

Well, Homegirl, that’s depressing as hell. Probably correct, but depressing as hell.

12 freetoken  May 13, 2014 7:08:55pm

TYRANTS IN BLACK ROBES!!

13 Dark_Falcon  May 13, 2014 7:09:08pm

Troll Alert: We got us a Benghazi Troofer.

14 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 13, 2014 7:09:13pm

re: #9 Pie-onist Overlord

The judge in Idaho case admits that “marriage is not mentioned in the Bill of Rights.” Exactly. It’s for states to decide.

Loving vs. Virginia would like a word with Bryan.

Edit: Wikipedia summary for anyone unfamiliar with that reposte en.wikipedia.org

15 goddamnedfrank  May 13, 2014 7:10:35pm

re: #9 Pie-onist Overlord

This glib, shit faced retort has been around forever, and the way it deliberately misses the entire goddamned point is as stunning as ever.

16 Decatur Deb  May 13, 2014 7:11:30pm

re: #12 freetoken

TYRANTS IN BLACK ROBES!!

Jesuit missionaries?

17 Dark_Falcon  May 13, 2014 7:11:38pm

re: #14 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Loving vs. Virginia would like a word with Bryan.

He thinks that case was wrongly decided too. For Bryan Fischer, no one has any Constitutional Rights except for white, heterosexual males who live their lives in the way he thinks they should.

18 BongCrodny  May 13, 2014 7:13:57pm

re: #12 freetoken

TYRANTS IN BLACK ROBES!!

Idaho is governed by nuns?

19 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 13, 2014 7:14:56pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

He thinks that case was wrongly decided too. For Bryan Fischer, no one has any Constitutional Rights except for white, heterosexual males who live their lives in the way he thinks they should.

Fortunately, the Supreme Court or most of the rest of the elected officials don’t give a shit what Bryan Fisher thinks about their decisions. To turn a quote from someone (attributed to Stalin, but who the hell knows): “How many divisions does Bryan Fisher have?”

20 BongCrodny  May 13, 2014 7:16:07pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

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This glib, shit faced retort has been around forever, and the way it deliberately misses the entire goddamned point is as stunning as ever.

Yep.

“You’re free to marry someone you don’t love, because we’re tolerant.”

21 BongCrodny  May 13, 2014 7:16:49pm

re: #16 Decatur Deb

Jesuit missionaries?

re: #18 BongCrodny

Idaho is governed by nuns?

(Shakes fist at DD)

22 Dark_Falcon  May 13, 2014 7:18:06pm

re: #19 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Fortunately, the Supreme Court or most of the rest of the elected officials don’t give a shit what Bryan Fisher thinks about their decisions. To turn a quote from someone (attributed to Stalin, but who the hell knows): “How many divisions does Bryan Fisher have?”

He’ll claim to have “Legions of the Faithful”.

23 Lidane  May 13, 2014 7:20:16pm

re: #18 BongCrodny

Idaho is governed by nuns?

It’s worse than that. They’re ruled by Nazgûl.

There are nine Ring-wraiths and nine justices on SCOTUS and this case is going to the Ninth Circuit. Coincidence? I think not.

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24 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 13, 2014 7:22:45pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

He’ll claim to have “Legions of the Faithful”.

I’m aware of the fundamentalist lingo. He’ll probably claim he’s wearing the armor of God as well. Fact remains: legal marriage license conferred by the state and sanctioned by the courts walks, bullshit religious lingo talks.

“Lego” Armor of God

25 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 13, 2014 7:23:36pm

re: #23 Lidane

It’s worse than that. They’re ruled by Nazgûl.

There are nine Ring-wraiths and nine justices on SCOTUS and this case is going to the Ninth Circuit. Coincidence? I think not.

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That sounds like they’re ruled by Hermaan Cain! 999! Wake up sheeple! ////

26 bubba zanetti  May 13, 2014 7:25:01pm

Blacks in Idaho already have full marriage equality: they can marry one non-relative same-race adult like everybody else.

27 freetoken  May 13, 2014 7:26:41pm

TYRANTS IN ḆⅬĂᐸᏦ ROBES ! ! ! !

28 Dark_Falcon  May 13, 2014 7:34:24pm

re: #23 Lidane

It’s worse than that. They’re ruled by Nazgûl.

There are nine Ring-wraiths and nine justices on SCOTUS and this case is going to the Ninth Circuit. Coincidence? I think not.

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Image: the_ring_by_breathing2004-d6ox5pe.jpg

Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie

29 William Barnett-Lewis  May 13, 2014 7:40:01pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

Image: the_ring_by_breathing2004-d6ox5pe.jpg

I’m reminded of the photoshop showing GWBush wearing The Ring with the caption, “Frodo Failed…” ;)

30 Dark_Falcon  May 13, 2014 7:45:10pm

re: #29 William Barnett-Lewis

I’m reminded of the photoshop showing GWBush wearing The Ring with the caption, “Frodo Failed…” ;)

Doesn’t fully work: George W. Bush is at heart too modest to make a good Nazgul. The same goes for Barack Obama.

Two presidents that would have the sort Sauron was looking for: Woodrow Wilson and Richard Nixon. Both men with chips on their shoulders and greedy for power.

31 William Barnett-Lewis  May 13, 2014 7:49:00pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Doesn’t fully work: George W. Bush is at heart too modest to make a good Nazgul. The same goes for Barack Obama.

Two presidents that would have the sort Sauron was looking for: Woodrow Wilson and Richard Nixon. Both men with chips on their shoulders and greedy for power.

Oh, I agree with you. I just remember when that came out. In most ways, Wilson was the worst of the two. Seriously racist and instituted most, if not all, of DC”s segregation. His attempts to play peace broker probably extended WWI by a year or two as well.

32 Decatur Deb  May 13, 2014 7:49:23pm

re: #23 Lidane

It’s worse than that. They’re ruled by Nazgûl.

There are nine Ring-wraiths and nine justices on SCOTUS and this case is going to the Ninth Circuit. Coincidence? I think not.

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Sister Mary Claver could take a nazgul with her ruler tied behind her back. And she’d make him say “Thank you, Sister” when she was done.

33 Bear  May 13, 2014 7:52:12pm

re: #31 William Barnett-Lewis

Was not some suspicion that toward Wilson’s end it was actually his wife that was acting as President? Mental failure?

34 Lidane  May 13, 2014 7:54:12pm

Making its way around FB:

35 William Barnett-Lewis  May 13, 2014 7:55:15pm

re: #33 Bear

Was not some suspicion that toward Wilson’s end it was actually his wife that was acting as President? Mental failure?

Stroke.

en.wikipedia.org

36 Dark_Falcon  May 13, 2014 7:55:28pm

re: #33 Bear

Was not some suspicion that toward Wilson’s end it was actually his wife that was acting as President? Mental failure?

No, he was disabled by a stroke. Badly enough that if the same level of disability hit a modern president the 25th Amendment would come into play.

37 CriticalDragon1177  May 13, 2014 7:57:03pm

re: #9 Pie-onist Overlord

Behold the epic Bryan Fischer Gay Marriage beat down! TM!

38 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 13, 2014 8:00:59pm

re: #33 Bear

Was not some suspicion that toward Wilson’s end it was actually his wife that was acting as President? Mental failure?

There’s actually a section in a book I mentioned the other day about the 1918 flu pandemic where there is some speculation that he may have suffered from that particularly dreadful flu strain. I am not qualified to judge the merits of the claim, but his behavior during the peace negotiations was one of the “clues” the author brought up.

Link to The Great Influenza on Amazon. Highly recommended. I don’t know how to link through the LGF page so Charles gets a cut.

39 teleskiguy  May 13, 2014 8:03:34pm
The times they are definitely a-changing

In roughly the same week, the law is interpreted in Arkansas and Idaho that homosexuals can marry. Truth really is stranger than fiction.

In this debate, I’m always reminded of what Hitch said about homosexual marriage: “It’s not a form of sex, it is a form of love.”

40 calochortus  May 13, 2014 8:04:03pm

re: #38 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Which would be pretty ironic considering his “all-in” strategy for WWI was probably one of the early factors in spreading the flu.
It was spread worldwide from an army installation in Kansas and Wilson suppressed news from getting out and kept shipping infected soldiers overseas in conditions that just about guaranteed it would spread.

41 Dark_Falcon  May 13, 2014 8:05:34pm

re: #40 calochortus

Which would be pretty ironic considering his “all-in” strategy for WWI was probably one of the early factors in spreading the flu.
It was spread worldwide from an army installation in Kansas and Wilson suppressed news from getting out and kept shipping infected soldiers overseas in conditions that just about guaranteed it would spread.

Wilson could not admit he was wrong, ever. To tack and change policy was for him some sort of blasphemy.

42 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 13, 2014 8:06:46pm

re: #40 calochortus

Which would be pretty ironic considering his “all-in” strategy for WWI was probably one of the early factors in spreading the flu.
It was spread worldwide from an army installation in Kansas and Wilson suppressed news from getting out and kept shipping infected soldiers overseas in conditions that just about guaranteed it would spread.

Indeed. The book I read chronicled the whole sordid episode, as well as the deplorable medical training doctors in the U.S. received prior to that time, and some of the doctors who brought more scientific rigor to medical research.

Also re: the book I mentioned, I was also amazed at some of the descriptions of how various cities dealt with the pandemic (I was reading the book while in Philadelphia, and would occasionally walk by areas mentioned in it - shudder).

43 calochortus  May 13, 2014 8:08:21pm

re: #42 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Indeed. The book I read chronicled the whole sordid episode, as well as the deplorable medical training doctors in the U.S. received prior to that time, and some of the doctors who brought more scientific rigor to medical research.

Also re: the book I mentioned, I was also amazed at some of the descriptions of how various cities dealt with the pandemic (I was reading the book while in Philadelphia, and would occasionally walk by areas mentioned in it - shudder).

It’s an excellent book. The idea of seemingly healthy people suddenly dropping dead while waiting for a bus, or whatever, is almost unimaginable.

44 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 13, 2014 8:09:43pm

Hopefully someone with a better understanding than I have of how court rulings are enforced can answer this for me.

In a hypothetical scenario, the Supreme Court finds a particular state law unconstitutional, or they halt an execution, or something. But because lunatics have taken over the government of the state in question, the state just says, “LOL states rights F.U. LOL”, and blatantly disregards the SCOTUS ruling.

Now what happens?

45 Decatur Deb  May 13, 2014 8:11:38pm

re: #44 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Hopefully someone with a better understanding than I have of how court rulings are enforced can answer this for me.

In a hypothetical scenario, the Supreme Court finds a particular state law unconstitutional, or they halt an execution, or something. But because lunatics have taken over the government of the state in question, the state just says, “LOL states rights F.U. LOL”, and blatantly disregards the SCOTUS ruling.

Now what happens?

Not a lot:

en.wikipedia.org

46 calochortus  May 13, 2014 8:11:50pm

re: #44 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

It’s what the wingnuts are hoping for.

47 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 13, 2014 8:11:53pm

re: #44 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Hopefully someone with a better understanding than I have of how court rulings are enforced can answer this for me.

In a hypothetical scenario, the Supreme Court finds a particular state law unconstitutional, or they halt an execution, or something. But because lunatics have taken over the government of the state in question, the state just says, “LOL states rights F.U. LOL”, and blatantly disregards the SCOTUS ruling.

Now what happens?

The Alabama desegregation case might be instructive.

48 goddamnedfrank  May 13, 2014 8:12:38pm

How fucked is the Republican Party going to be nationally in a few years? Gay marriage will be the norm, and they’ll have fought it tooth and nail until the very end. They continue to alienate women on reproductive health and freedom, to sell guns via fear of the young black intruder, to fight voting rights in minority neighborhoods, immigration and the basic decency of a DREAM Act.

All while their core of hate filled and fear laden bigoted old white men dwindles.

I wonder what will take their place, hopefully something better organized and less cartoonishly evil.

“It will be nice working with proper villains again.”
-Basher, Oceans Eleven

49 dog philosopher  May 13, 2014 8:14:56pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Wilson could not admit he was wrong, ever. To tack and change policy was for him some sort of blasphemy.

wonder what would have happened if it wasn’t for the inability of either him or lodge to compromise on the league of nations

50 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 13, 2014 8:16:47pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

I’m slightly worried about the subsequent behavior of the hardcore conservative “base” if the GOP ever became completely marginalized.

51 Belafon  May 13, 2014 8:16:49pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Try this for a bit of perspective, though: There a number of gays that still vote Republican, and a number of gays (Andrew Sullivan comes to mind) that only vote Democrat because Republican policies affect them personally. Eventually, gays will become enough of a non-issue that most Republicans politicians will not bother with it. Then, these gays will return, because now all these people will worry about is taxes.

52 dog philosopher  May 13, 2014 8:17:07pm

how can i take this development platform seriously if it has modules called “bouncycastle”?

53 goddamnedfrank  May 13, 2014 8:18:10pm

re: #44 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Hopefully someone with a better understanding than I have of how court rulings are enforced can answer this for me.

In a hypothetical scenario, the Supreme Court finds a particular state law unconstitutional, or they halt an execution, or something. But because lunatics have taken over the government of the state in question, the state just says, “LOL states rights F.U. LOL”, and blatantly disregards the SCOTUS ruling.

Now what happens?

The National Guard happens.

Barring that there are probably all kinds of other reprisals the White House can take. Also Congress can withhold federal funding, and except for Texas which is slowly turning blue anyway most red states are currently net takers of federal dollars.

54 Lidane  May 13, 2014 8:18:14pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

How fucked is the Republican Party going to be nationally in a few years?

The GOP will become a Southern white, evangelical party. Demographics are destiny and they’re not doing anything to expand their base at all. They’re just narrowing it further and further.

55 freetoken  May 13, 2014 8:19:06pm

Another hot, dry day. Much too hot:

RECORD REPORT


SXUS76 KSGX 132333
RERSGX

RECORD EVENT REPORT...FINAL
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN DIEGO CA
430 PM PDT TUE MAY 13 2014

...HIGHEST MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE RECORDS BROKEN OR TIED ON MAY 13 2014 ...

LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD PERIOD OF RECORD

SAN DIEGO 94 TIED 94 IN 1979 1875
NEWPORT BEACH 95 86 IN 1979 1921


...HIGHEST MINIMUM TEMPERATURE RECORDS BROKEN OR TIED ON MAY 13 2014 ...

LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD PERIOD OF RECORD

SANTA ANA 63 TIED 63 IN 1997 1906
SAN DIEGO 65 64 IN 1997 1914

56 freetoken  May 13, 2014 8:19:47pm

Gah… it’s suppose to push 100F here tomorrow, and surpass in on Thursday.

This is the hottest, driest year I can remember.

57 dog philosopher  May 13, 2014 8:21:22pm

so today, solving problems in somebody else’s makefile, i found a solution to an esoteric problem posted by a french guy to a repository that no longer exists. but no worries, somebody in china extracted the crucial additions and posted them. in chinese

i ran the chinese instructions through google translate, and it came out:

“after the 161 line and the 193 line add:”

58 freetoken  May 13, 2014 8:21:34pm

But it’s a dry heat.

RH of 7%.

59 goddamnedfrank  May 13, 2014 8:21:42pm

re: #51 Belafon

Try this for a bit of perspective, though: There a number of gays that still vote Republican, and a number of gays (Andrew Sullivan comes to mind) that only vote Democrat because Republican policies affect them personally. Eventually, gays will become enough of a non-issue that most Republicans politicians will not bother with it. Then, these gays will return, because now all these people will worry about is taxes.

This entire argument is predicated on the idea that Gays are fundamentally different from blacks somehow, more greedy and less likely to remember who hates them and fucked them over.

I don’t buy it. Log Cabin Republicans and GoProud have always been a small minority within a minority. I know a bunch of gay people, mostly young but not all, not one of them would even consider voting Republican.

60 dog philosopher  May 13, 2014 8:24:26pm

re: #54 Lidane

The GOP will become a Southern white, evangelical party. Demographics are destiny and they’re not doing anything to expand their base at all. They’re just narrowing it further and further.

imho the republican party will find other ways to portray the agenda of multinational corporations as things that are good for normal persons

if riding a pack of racist morons doesn’t do the trick, they’ll move on to some other likely subjects…

61 calochortus  May 13, 2014 8:26:44pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

I don’t buy it… I know a bunch of gay people, mostly young but not all, not one of them would even consider voting Republican.

Fixed it for you.

62 Lidane  May 13, 2014 8:28:31pm
63 Floral Giraffe  May 13, 2014 8:31:16pm

re: #58 freetoken

82 degrees inside the house just now.

64 goddamnedfrank  May 13, 2014 8:33:57pm

re: #61 calochortus

Fixed it for you.

Not really. I know several people who vote Republican, close family members. They’re all greedy, manipulative, unempathic and at the best of times can barely contain their animus against black people.

In short they’re exactly what the party has come to stand for.

65 teleskiguy  May 13, 2014 8:35:46pm

I thought this was funny and a tad illuminating.

66 calochortus  May 13, 2014 8:36:02pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

Actually, I have a couple family members who vote Republican too, but they’re decent human beings. Just products of having been raised in a very conservative part of the country, and not totally in touch with reality.

67 teleskiguy  May 13, 2014 8:37:02pm
68 calochortus  May 13, 2014 8:39:36pm

Time to pack it in for this evening. Hasta mañana, lizards.

69 jaunte  May 13, 2014 8:42:40pm

re: #55 freetoken

And it’s flooding down in Texas
Youtube Video

70 freetoken  May 13, 2014 8:44:17pm

WaPo writer Wesley Lowery tries to cover for Rubio:

Sen. Rubio acknowledges climate change but doubts current legislation can fix problem

71 Mike Lamb  May 13, 2014 8:44:46pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

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This glib, shit faced retort has been around forever, and the way it deliberately misses the entire goddamned point is as stunning as ever.

This “argument” has always made me go slightly insane. Tell me why it can’t apply with equal validity to interracial couples?

72 freetoken  May 13, 2014 8:45:39pm

Even the original WaPo editorial, which made the front page here, tried its best to cover for Rubio.

The WaPo, it appears to me these days, is trying harder than ever to play the MBF.

It’s an incestuous relationship, that between the WaPo and DC politicians.

73 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  May 13, 2014 8:45:44pm
Earlier Tuesday, Idaho Gov. Butch Otter (R) filed a preemptive motion asking for an immediate stay if Dale did rule against the gay marriage ban.

And rightly so. If allowed to stand, this ruling could lead to a slippery slope that could end up with humans marrying dogs, cats, box turtles or even butch otters.

74 freetoken  May 13, 2014 8:47:34pm

Who would steal Garfield’s spoons?

Theft reported at monument of President James Garfield

75 Dark_Falcon  May 13, 2014 8:55:27pm

re: #74 freetoken

Who would steal Garfield’s spoons?

Theft reported at monument of President James Garfield

Jon, maybe? ;)

76 Lidane  May 13, 2014 9:05:57pm

So a few months back I wrote a Page about a Dallas sportscaster who obliterated football’s hypocrisy in revering athletes that have faced drug charges, DUIs, and a whole host of other legal problems, but who had a problem with Michael Sam being gay.

Well, the same sportscaster is back to talk about the NFL Draft:

Youtube Video

77 andres  May 13, 2014 9:07:13pm

re: #73 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

And rightly so. If allowed to stand, this ruling could lead to a slippery slope that could end up with humans marrying dogs, cats, box turtles or even butch otters.

Or even worst, anyone marrying Bryan Fisher.

*shudder*

78 Decatur Deb  May 13, 2014 9:08:55pm

re: #73 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

And rightly so. If allowed to stand, this ruling could lead to a slippery slope that could end up with humans marrying dogs, cats, box turtles or even butch otters.

Butch Otter Saves America for Straight Beaver.

79 Dark_Falcon  May 13, 2014 9:14:23pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Butch Otter Saves America for Straight Beaver.

Sounds like a quite a tail!

80 Gus  May 13, 2014 9:28:56pm
81 palomino  May 13, 2014 10:00:39pm

re: #51 Belafon

Try this for a bit of perspective, though: There a number of gays that still vote Republican, and a number of gays (Andrew Sullivan comes to mind) that only vote Democrat because Republican policies affect them personally. Eventually, gays will become enough of a non-issue that most Republicans politicians will not bother with it. Then, these gays will return, because now all these people will worry about is taxes.

Yeah, and if you live another 100 years, you may see that day come to pass. More than 95% of Republicans in Congress oppose same sex marriage, while nearly 100% of Dems support it. The opposition in the gop is thoroughly entrenched in the party platform, and is a direct consequence of the gop’s position as an overtly religious party. Even if change miraculously occurs sooner, don’t you think gay people will remember which party was out front on the issue and which party had to be dragged kicking and screaming into a new century?

Also, why would gay people only worry about taxes? Why would they be less interested in other issues than straight people?

82 jonhendry  May 13, 2014 10:00:43pm

Moving my response from the prior thread:

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

“yeah. Apparently Mr. Giger fell down some stairs. Very sad.”

I imagine the stairs were shaped like a stack of giant slippery penises, so really it was only a matter of time.

83 William Barnett-Lewis  May 13, 2014 10:00:44pm

Bed time! Later all.

84 Gus  May 13, 2014 10:09:29pm

R.E.M. Man On the Moon

Youtube Video

85 Lidane  May 13, 2014 10:26:02pm
86 Gus  May 13, 2014 10:27:28pm
87 Gus  May 13, 2014 10:28:06pm
88 freetoken  May 13, 2014 10:43:44pm

Yet more circular firing squad action in the GOP:

CALIFORNIA GOP WORRIED OVER TOP-TWO GOVERNOR RACE

California Republicans who have been trying to rebrand their party as more inclusive and attuned with the issues that Californians care about had hoped this year to offer a candidate for governor who fit that image.

Now, however, the party faces the prospect of a conservative gubernatorial nominee who is on probation for carrying a loaded gun into an airport, is accused of race-baiting and is best known for his far-right positions on gun control and immigration.

While Republicans do not expect to unseat Gov. Jerry Brown in November, tea party darling Tim Donnelly’s rise over businessman Neel Kashkari has alarmed party leaders who worry that the assemblyman’s candidacy is setting back the rebranding and could hurt other candidates on the ballot.

“He will simply drag down massive numbers of Republicans who think they are safe today,” said Tony Quinn, a Republican and co-editor of the Target Book, which analyzes legislative and congressional races in the state.

Donnelly’s apparent popularity in public opinion polls ahead of the June 3 primary had already elicited concern from Republicans when he began trying to link Kashkari, who is Indian-American and Hindu, to Islamic Shariah law.

[…]

89 Single-handed sailor  May 13, 2014 10:47:45pm

re: #88 freetoken

Yet more circular firing squad action in the GOP:

CALIFORNIA GOP WORRIED OVER TOP-TWO GOVERNOR RACE

It’s so…
beautiful!

90 Lidane  May 13, 2014 10:58:04pm

re: #88 freetoken

Yet more circular firing squad action in the GOP:

CALIFORNIA GOP WORRIED OVER TOP-TWO GOVERNOR RACE

True story: Darrell Issa called out Donnelly’s trying to link Kashkari to Sharia law and the Freepers weren’t pleased:

Issa loves him some Islam
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Darrell Issa is for amnesty.

This primary is about the patriotic side like Rohrabacher, McClintock supporters and others against the open borders side Issa and Denham.

I dont know if Rohrabacher or McClintock endorsed but i imagine there supporters will vote for Donnelly.
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So did the guy support sharia banking or didn’t he? That’s all that matters here.
—

Kashkari, the TARP-supporting Obama voter. No thanks.

Doesn’t matter if Neel’s Hindu, many idiots reach out to Islamo-fascists.

Donolley is the only logical choice for California voters (for the few logical voters left in the state). Issa can go kiss a [racial slur] ass.
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Hey Issa, your support for Amnesty disqualifies you for California voters.
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Califonmexico deserves the worst of the worst, they will put in the most leftist of the left, then complain that it isn’t working…
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Issa is an Arab.

Aren’t circular firing squads fun? Heh.

91 freetoken  May 13, 2014 11:00:30pm

Is he a thief? Or just a cute thief?

Justin Bieber accused of trying to take woman’s cellphone

No charge yet to taking young womens’ hearts.

92 Kragar  May 13, 2014 11:33:53pm

re: #88 freetoken

Yet more circular firing squad action in the GOP:

CALIFORNIA GOP WORRIED OVER TOP-TWO GOVERNOR RACE

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!

93 Kragar  May 13, 2014 11:34:55pm

re: #91 freetoken

Is he a thief? Or just a cute thief?

Justin Bieber accused of trying to take woman’s cellphone

No charge yet to taking young womens’ hearts.

Best question Bieber was ever asked:

“You’re on your third hairstyle. Whats next for your career?”

94 goddamnedfrank  May 13, 2014 11:47:51pm

re: #88 freetoken

Yet more circular firing squad action in the GOP:

CALIFORNIA GOP WORRIED OVER TOP-TWO GOVERNOR RACE

Fuck.them.

This is still part of the official California State GOP Platform:

A strong and healthy family unit is the heart of the home - a safe surrounding where family decisions are made, children are raised, and morality is taught. The family is a foundation upon which American society has grown and prospered for over 200 years. We support the two- parent family as the best environment for raising children, and therefore believe that it is important to define marriage as being between one man and one woman. We believe public policy and education should not be exploited to present or teach homosexuality as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle. We oppose same-sex partner benefits, child custody, and adoption.

It’s 2014, gay marriage has been legal in here for over a year and these assholes are still officially opposed not only to that but to letting gay people adopt children or have any partner benefits at all. In the real world this kind of applied policy has devastating consequences for children who as a result of one parent dying can be ripped away from the only other parent they’ve ever known, to be sent to live with distant relatives or to foster care.

The Republican Party is just evil, a straight up fucking sociopathic horror show. I’m glad that Donnelly is winning, I hope he hangs around all their other candidate’s necks like a millstone, dragging the entire party statewide down into the abyss. He’s exactly what they deserve. No other candidate quite so accurately reflects the revanchist pantload that is the modern Republican Party.

And blaming the top two system for his probable selection is a gigantic cop out. He’s polling high among likely Republican voters, the exact people would be voting if CA still allowed the GOP to have it’s own closed ballot. He’s who the majority of Republicans in this state want.

95 Lidane  May 14, 2014 12:01:18am

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

The Republican Party is just evil, a straight up fucking sociopathic horror show.

I’ve been saying that since the 90’s but they really have managed to get worse since 2008. It’s frightening just how unhinged a lot of people have gotten since POTUS got elected.

96 Targetpractice  May 14, 2014 1:47:44am

The clock’s ticking on gay marriage bans. SCOTUS simply has too many cases on its desk now to write this off as something the states should handle, so I imagine there will be oral arguments in one or more cases in the coming year. When that happens, it’s game over. Even Kennedy will have a hard as fuck time arguing that the states should be legally allowed to continue engaging in Jim Crow-esque manners of keeping the LGBT crowd “in their place.”

97 freetoken  May 14, 2014 2:13:50am

MP3 Audio

98 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 2:47:04am

Here’s how I see this news: A partner is killed in a fit of rage and because of the killer’s status as a national and intl athlete, he thinks he will receive a sympathetic hearing, having said he thought she was an “intruder”. However, as evidence mounts against him in his trial, most of it circumstantial and contrary to his version of events, he realizes that his fame and fortune are not going to keep him from losing everything because of his crime. The realization he may spend many years in prison is sinking in, causing great emotional turmoil, leading to more anger, depression and other symptoms.

If one ploy doesn’t work, try another. However, his mental state during trial, as this realization becomes clearer, should have no bearing on the outcome. It would be his mental state at the time of the killing, and previous psychiatric treatment, or continuing behavior and treatment, that would factor in to an “insanity” defense. The confidence, faked or real, that he showed at the start of the trial has slowly been eroded by the evidence and testimony of witnesses and he has been transformed from a sympathetic defendant to a killer who thought he could get away with it because of who he is. Having regrets, showing remorse and feeling guilt after committing such a crime may have a bearing on sentencing, but Pistorius has flatly denied his role as being an aggressive killer.

theguardian.com

More: Trial of Oscar Pistorius for Reeva Steenkamp’s murder halted as athlete heads for 30 day psychiatric assessment to evaluate his mental state - @Reuters
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99 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 2:52:04am
100 jonhendry  May 14, 2014 3:03:04am

re: #98 Justanotherhuman

My understanding is that the *prosecution* requested the assessment, not the defense.

101 Targetpractice  May 14, 2014 3:09:32am

re: #100 jonhendry

My understanding is that the *prosecution* requested the assessment, not the defense.

Yeah, that would in response to testimony from a defense medical witness stating that, as a double amputee, Pistorius would be incapable of flight and thus would default to flight. That he’d be more aggressive in responding to an intruder than, say, a fellow who’d kept both legs all his life.

102 Targetpractice  May 14, 2014 3:37:29am

Always the danger of prosecuting a case based upon circumstantial evidence, you leave the realm of fact and enter the realm of supposition and opinion. For every expert the prosecution can put on the stand to say the defendant is a cold-blooded killer, the defense will put one up who’ll talk of the defendant as if they were a saint.

In this case, it looks like the prosecution just got dealt a major curveball to its primary charge, that of culpable murder, which relies upon what a normal person would do in the circumstances. But Pistorius isn’t a normal person, he’s a double amputee. So now they’re scrambling to buy time, but I doubt the judge will allow it.

103 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 3:59:35am

re: #101 Targetpractice

Yeah, that would in response to testimony from a defense medical witness stating that, as a double amputee, Pistorius would be incapable of flight and thus would default to flight. That he’d be more aggressive in responding to an intruder than, say, a fellow who’d kept both legs all his life.

Pistorius was perfectly capable of using prosthetics. To paint him as some “helpless” person is to deny his capabilities. This is what the defense aims for.

104 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 4:03:15am
105 Dark_Falcon  May 14, 2014 4:12:07am

re: #90 Lidane

True story: Darrell Issa called out Donnelly’s trying to link Kashkari to Sharia law and the Freepers weren’t pleased:

Aren’t circular firing squads fun? Heh.

Issa is doing right in this matter, but Freep is full of serious haters who don’t care about winning elections. Freepers just want to spew.

106 Targetpractice  May 14, 2014 4:17:30am

re: #103 Justanotherhuman

Pistorius was perfectly capable of using prosthetics. To paint him as some “helpless” person is to deny his capabilities. This is what the defense aims for.

And that’s the defense’s job, to poke holes in the prosecution’s case in order to allow in reasonable doubt. If the prosecution didn’t prepare for the defense playing up Pistorius’ status as a double amputee to cast doubt on his fitting the description of a “reasonable person,” then they’ve fucked up.

107 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 14, 2014 4:18:07am

Christian fundamentalist I know on Facebook arguing that ice above water will not add to the volume of water, and sea levels will not rise because of the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet Melt. Nevermind the fact that the WAIS is on land, and will add to the total volume of water in the ocean when it melts.

Fucking stupid, zealous idiots.

108 Dark_Falcon  May 14, 2014 4:18:19am

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

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I don’t like the Ukrainians’ chances in that sort of fight. The United States Marines managed to win that kind of Military Operations in Urban Terrain (MOUT) assault in Fallujah in 2004 and the Iraqi army is winning such a fight currently, but Ukraine’s National Guard lacks the training and experience of the Marines or even the current Iraqi Army. Moreover, the Russians they are facing are better equipped, trained, and led than Al Qaeda in Iraq.

Bottom Line Analysis: I expect the pro-Russian forces to get hurt, but I expect them to repulse a Ukrainian move on the center of Sloviansk.

109 Targetpractice  May 14, 2014 4:29:34am

I’ll go ahead and run much the same disclaimer as I did much during the Zimmerman trial: I don’t think Pistorius is innocent, I’m sure there’s plenty of reason to suspect his guilt. But if the prosecution can’t come to trial with all the angles covered, then it’s not cheating on the defense’s part to fuck up the prosecution’s case.

110 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 4:32:30am

re: #38 Rev_Arthur_Belling

There’s actually a section in a book I mentioned the other day about the 1918 flu pandemic where there is some speculation that he may have suffered from that particularly dreadful flu strain. I am not qualified to judge the merits of the claim, but his behavior during the peace negotiations was one of the “clues” the author brought up.

Link to The Great Influenza on Amazon. Highly recommended. I don’t know how to link through the LGF page so Charles gets a cut.

My grandpa died in that pandemic. He was 29 years old.

111 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2014 4:36:12am

re: #62 Lidane

hey! That’s my avatar!

112 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 4:42:09am

I don’t have much hope that this isn’t going to get worse, considering the fights over political power, resources and land. In fact, we see situations developing in the US that could easily get worse no matter who is in DC running the govt where “anti-govt” sentiment thrives. In a crowded world, with limited land for meeting our daily bread and butter and in the face of global warming, this is a serious threat when such people attempt to place themselves and their individual needs above the common good.

Annual report shows a record 33.3 million were internally displaced in 2013

trust.org

“The three countries experiencing the worst levels of new displacement were Syria, the Central African Republic (CAR) and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which together accounted for 67 per cent of the 8.2 million people newly displaced in the year.

“That these three countries appear top of the IDMC list reveals an alarming reality,” said Alfredo Zamudio, director of IDMC. “They account not only for those fleeing from relatively new crises, as in Syria and CAR, but are also reflective of the horrendous situations still faced by innocent people stuck in the midst of protracted conflict, such as the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which has suffered persistent turmoil dating back to the mid 1990’s.”

“Egeland said the trends shown in the report did not bode well for the future. “We have to sit up, listen up and act up by working more closely together to end this misery for millions; humanitarians alone cannot make this happen,” he said, adding: “We all have a role to play.” More

113 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 4:53:13am

re: #109 Targetpractice

I’ll go ahead and run much the same disclaimer as I did much during the Zimmerman trial: I don’t think Pistorius is innocent, I’m sure there’s plenty of reason to suspect his guilt. But if the prosecution can’t come to trial with all the angles covered, then it’s not cheating on the defense’s part to fuck up the prosecution’s case.

Of course it isn’t “cheating”. And it should be an argument the judge will buy, esp given the fact that 3 women a day are killed by their partners in S Africa. Women’s lives, even that of a “blonde model”, are secondary to those of males there, for the usual reasons existing elsewhere.

I hope the judge can discern between that and the facts of the case.

Women, men and guns.

espn.go.com

114 Dark_Falcon  May 14, 2014 5:15:44am

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

Speaking of guns, here’s a gun photo to which I object:

Image: big.jpg

The Kyiv Post is wrong about the gun the boy is holding, though: It’s not an AK-type weapon, instead its an old PPSh-41 submachinegun. A fitting counterpart to a T-34/85 monument tank, though.

115 Targetpractice  May 14, 2014 5:15:52am

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

Of course it isn’t “cheating”. And it should be an argument the judge will buy, esp given the fact that 3 women a day are killed by their partners in S Africa. Women’s lives, even that of a “blonde model”, are secondary to those of males there, for the usual reasons existing elsewhere.

I hope the judge can discern between that and the facts of the case.

Women, men and guns.

espn.go.com

From what I’ve heard, the prosecution hasn’t really been able to prove its case at all. That Pistorius’ time on the stand was more about a prosecutor putting on a show than getting to the facts of the case. And that the defense now has four neighbors who say what they heard fits Pistorius’ version of events, versus those of the prosecution who were much farther away. This latest bit just seems be to like the torpedo put into the side of the prosecution’s case, which is already listing badly and may be unsalvagable, even if the judge grants them this 30 day reprieve, which I very much doubt will happen.

116 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 5:19:59am

HURR HURR!!!!! DON’T LISSEN 2 TEH SLUT!!!! RAPE STATISTICS R LIBRUL LIES!!!!! THATS NOT LEGITIMATE RAPE!!!!!!!

117 AntonSirius  May 14, 2014 5:27:47am

re: #9 Pie-onist Overlord

118 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 5:32:06am

re: #117 AntonSirius

I’m trying to imagine what a butch otter would look like …

119 Targetpractice  May 14, 2014 5:32:23am

re: #117 AntonSirius

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Do what every other red state governor has done: File for the ruling to be stayed while the 9th chews over the appeal.

120 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 5:33:02am

Shiite & Sunni Islam, do you know the difference? Take this quiz!

I scored 68%, a lot of it was just guesswork based on what I have read about political affiliations.

121 Dark_Falcon  May 14, 2014 5:33:32am

re: #117 AntonSirius

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Here’s to you, Anton Sirius!

122 Targetpractice  May 14, 2014 5:35:05am

Yeah, Idaho’s in the 9th Circuit, which means the odds of the ruling being overturned on appeal by the state are slim to none. So if they refuse to grant a stay, then likely SCOTUS will pending their hearing at least one if not multiple cases next year on this issue.

123 Dark_Falcon  May 14, 2014 5:37:25am

BBL

124 Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2014 5:40:38am

re: #122 Targetpractice

Yeah, Idaho’s in the 9th Circuit, which means the odds of the ruling being overturned on appeal by the state are slim to none. So if they refuse to grant a stay, then likely SCOTUS will pending their hearing at least one if not multiple cases next year on this issue.

I think next year - 2015 - will be the year of decision regarding SSM. It’s getting increasingly difficult for the SCOTUS to try to procrastinate on the issue or hope that it’ll just go away or something.

125 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 5:42:56am

re: #117 AntonSirius

Marriage is not mentioned in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution because it was a matter of existing civil and common law at the time. Also, it would not be a federal matter unless the Founding Fathers had wanted to establish a uniform marriage law for all the states, which, assuming they had even considered the matter, would have necessarily involved interfering with religious practices. I don’t think civil marriage unions were common in the 18th century, but I could be wrong there.

Anyway, Fischer somehow construes allowing same-sex marriage as forcing SSM. No church is going to be forced to marry two people of the same gender. And it’s certainly not saying two men or two women have to get married if they don’t want to. The law is merely saying that such a marriage is legal in the eyes of the state.

Oh! The horror!

126 Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2014 5:48:18am

re: #125 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Marriage is not mentioned in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution because it was a matter of existing civil and common law at the time. Also, it would not be a federal matter unless the Founding Fathers had wanted to establish a uniform marriage law for all the states, which, assuming they had even considered the matter, would have necessarily involved interfering with religious practices. I don’t think civil marriage unions were common in the 18th century, but I could be wrong there.

Anyway, Fischer somehow construes allowing same-sex marriage as forcing SSM. No church is going to be forced to marry two people of the same gender. And it’s certainly not saying two men or two women have to get married if they don’t want to. The law is merely saying that such a marriage is legal in the eyes of the state.

Oh! The horror!

Yeah, to hear Fischer speak of it, you’d think SSM is going to become mandatory or whatnot. Then again, maybe it’s simply his subconscious desires speaking out - if you get my drift. :)

127 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 5:50:33am

When you consider it tyrannical that someone else is getting the same equal rights as you, you just may be an asshole and that is at the core of Bryan Fischer’s worldview. He and others are using the same pretzel logic that was used for generations before Loving. “It’s not natural” or “It should be up to the states.” He’s nothing more than a modern segregationist.

128 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 5:52:11am

Anyhow, I love how the narrative that Fischer and others push is that gay marriage is discrimination against Christians. Well asshole what about gay Christians out there who want to be married or gay friendly Christians and Christian churches who want to allow them to marry? Just because you’re a homophobic asshole doesn’t mean all Christians are but alas we are dealing with a man who believes the existence of gay Nazis means that gays should be discriminated against. Funny how he never uses that logic about heterosexual Lutherans and there were a lot more of those in the Nazis ranks than gays.

129 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 5:56:47am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Anyhow, I love how the narrative that Fischer and others push is that gay marriage is discrimination against Christians. Well asshole what about gay Christians out there who want to be married or gay friendly Christians and Christian churches who want to allow them to marry? Just because you’re a homophobic asshole doesn’t mean all Christians are.

Playing the victimhood and martyr cards, over and over again.

If you’re a pastor and you refuse to marry a same-sex couple, well, they’ll just go somewhere else. The gay Nazi Stormtroopers are not going to bust down the pastor’s door and haul him off to a concentration camp, where he’ll be forced to do all kinds of gay Nazi stormtrooper stuff.

But, if you’re a court clerk or a JP and you refuse, then there will be trouble. In such a case, a Christian who oppose SSM should maybe find another job or suck it up and do the one he or she was elected to perform.

130 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 6:03:20am

re: #129 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Playing the victimhood and martyr cards, over and over again.

If you’re a pastor and you refuse to marry a same-sex couple, well, they’ll just go somewhere else. The gay Nazi Stormtroopers are not going to bust down the pastor’s door and haul him off to a concentration camp, where he’ll be forced to do all kinds of gay Nazi stormtrooper stuff.

But, if you’re a court clerk or a JP and you refuse, then there will be trouble. In such a case, a Christian who oppose SSM should maybe find another job or suck it up and do the one he or she was elected to perform.

Seriously the victim complex is amazing. But what really angers me is when they try to equate themselves to victims of Nazi persecution. That one oh my god it infuriates me especially knowing the Nazi persecution of LGBT people.

131 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 6:05:19am

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Seriously the victim complex is amazing. But what really angers me is when they try to equate themselves to victims of Nazi persecution. That one oh my god it infuriates me especially knowing the Nazi persecution of LGBT people.

In their eyes, though, white people are the only “victims” in our country.

They really love to play that card when some previously discrimination against a group suddenly is gaining rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

I saw the same attitude during the civil rights era, and it still exists today in some quarters.

132 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 6:06:17am

re: #131 Justanotherhuman

In their eyes, though, white people are the only “victims” in our country.

They really love to play that card when some previously discrimination against group suddenly is gaining rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

I saw the same attitude during the civil rights era, and it still excists today in some quarters.

Yep, sure do.

133 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 6:09:06am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Anyhow, I love how the narrative that Fischer and others push is that gay marriage is discrimination against Christians. Well asshole what about gay Christians out there who want to be married or gay friendly Christians and Christian churches who want to allow them to marry? Just because you’re a homophobic asshole doesn’t mean all Christians are but alas we are dealing with a man who believes the existence of gay Nazis means that gays should be discriminated against. Funny how he never uses that logic about heterosexual Lutherans and there were a lot more of those in the Nazis ranks than gays.

Fischer and his ilk don’t think there are any christians except themselves.

134 lawhawk  May 14, 2014 6:10:38am

We are walking with dinosaurs. The kind that are tied to outdated scientific, social and moral beliefs that simply don’t hold up to scrutiny.

135 Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2014 6:11:44am

re: #131 Justanotherhuman

In their eyes, though, white people are the only “victims” in our country.

They really love to play that card when some previously discrimination against a group suddenly is gaining rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

I saw the same attitude during the civil rights era, and it still exists today in some quarters.

You can see that risible attitude on full display in the darker corners of the internet - places like Stormfront, occasionally expressed on Free Republic, etc. These folks really believe that white people are somehow being subjected to some insidious form of genocide.

It’s sickening. That attitude is also seen in Europe as well - even here in the Czech Republic, sad to say. This nation certainly has its share of God’s prized oafs.

*smh*

136 lawhawk  May 14, 2014 6:12:29am

The death toll from the Turkish mine disaster is over 230, and rising.

137 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 6:16:48am

re: #134 lawhawk

We are walking with dinosaurs. The kind that are tied to outdated scientific, social and moral beliefs that simply don’t hold up to scrutiny.

I suspect that when they die if an autopsy were carried out you’d find a coprolite rather than a brain in their head.
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138 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 6:19:59am

re: #135 Dr Lizardo

Giving other people the same rights that I have somehow means I lose my rights — or at least my Special Place in society.

I think the latter is the one that disturbs them the most, because they imagine that all other kinds of people are inferior to them. Granting those other kinds of people equal rights means they are no longer inferior, at least in the eyes of the law.

139 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 6:21:24am

This is an interesting study from the Williams Institute at UCLA regarding LGBT populations in the US (as of 2010). One interesting figure shows that women tend to consider themselves more bisexual than lesbian, while conversely, more men consider themselves to be gay than bisexual.

“The analyses suggest that there are more than 8 million adults in the US who are LGB, comprising 3.5% of the adult population. This is
split nearly evenly between lesbian/gay and bisexual identified individuals,
1.7% and 1.8%, respectively. There are also nearly 700,000
transgender individuals in the US. Given these findings, it seems reasonable to assert that approximately 9 million Americans identify as LGBT.”

Yeah, that small percentage of LGBT folks is going to have a devastating impact on the other 310M people in the US. ///

140 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 6:21:27am

re: #138 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Giving other people the same rights that I have somehow means I lose my rights — or at least my Special Place in society.

I think the latter is the one that disturbs them the most, because they imagine that all other kinds of people are inferior to them. Granting those other kinds of people equal rights means they are no longer inferior, at least in the eyes of the law.

We see the same mindset when minimum wage comes up.

141 GunstarGreen  May 14, 2014 6:21:50am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Anyhow, I love how the narrative that Fischer and others push is that gay marriage is discrimination against Christians. Well asshole what about gay Christians out there who want to be married or gay friendly Christians and Christian churches who want to allow them to marry? Just because you’re a homophobic asshole doesn’t mean all Christians are but alas we are dealing with a man who believes the existence of gay Nazis means that gays should be discriminated against. Funny how he never uses that logic about heterosexual Lutherans and there were a lot more of those in the Nazis ranks than gays.

But it is discrimination against Christians — because in Fischer’s mind, and the mind of a significantly large chunk of the American population, Christian Rule (see also: Christ-based Sharia) is their right because Skydad says so.

They continue to hold this belief because we, as a nation, refuse to disabuse them of it. We refuse to sanction them in any meaningful way, we refuse to rebuke them in any meaningful way, we refuse to even call them loons in any official capacity. We continue to allow their preposterous laws to remain on the books (dry counties, sunday sales, gay marriage bans, etc.) until such time as someone gets personally affected enough to raise a stink about it to the courts.

When you tolerate intolerance, intolerance gets a nice, big head. And every time they screech about this being “discrimination against Christians”, they are emboldened when they are not told, by a ranking authority and in no uncertain terms, “Shut the hell up you crazy sack of shit.”

142 Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2014 6:23:35am

re: #138 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I think the latter is the one that disturbs them the most, because they imagine that all other kinds of people are inferior to them.

They reveal their own elitist thinking. They believe they are inherently superior, and it drives them to madness when they’re told they aren’t.

143 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 6:25:51am

re: #142 Dr Lizardo

They reveal their own elitist thinking. They believe they are inherently superior, and it drives them to madness when they’re told they aren’t.

And equally insecure since they need visible and concrete legal discrimination in place in order to reinforce their perceived distinction of superiority and privilege.

144 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 6:29:45am

re: #143 Feline Fearless Leader

And equally insecure since they need visible and concrete legal discrimination in place in order to reinforce their perceived distinction of superiority and privilege.

Exactly. Fischer and the other god-botherers believe in their core they have the One Truth given by the One True God, and therefore everyone else is Wrong/Evil/An Agent of Satan.

That government officials and elected bodies disagree with their premises is driving them nuts, because they can’t comprehend that they are the ones who are wrong.

145 lawhawk  May 14, 2014 6:29:59am

re: #140 Pie-onist Overlord

The GOP elected officials, with only a handful of exceptions, is against the minimum wage, and several are for abolishing it altogether. Their position is that the minimum wage harms employment rates, ignoring that the minimum wage wont give anyone a chance of getting out of poverty and off the safety net that the GOP has been trying to undo for the past two generations. They want to not only undo the safety net, but the means to avoid the safety net altogether. They ignore that the higher wages of a higher minimum wage can result in more jobs and money spread through the system by those who will spend it - the millions who would benefit from the wage boost.

That’s something they must be held to account for.

A more pithy synthesis for twitter purposes:

146 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 6:30:44am

Many Turkish labor unions to go on strike Thursday to protest mine tragedy and government - @RichardEngel
End of alert

More: Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdoᇺn says 120 workers believed still to be trapped in coal mine - @Reuters
End of alert

147 Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2014 6:32:04am

re: #143 Feline Fearless Leader

And equally insecure since they need visible and concrete legal discrimination in place in order to reinforce their perceived distinction of superiority and privilege.

If there is one thing I have observed about fundamentalists - be they Christian or Muslim or anything else - as well as political extremists of all stripes, it is that they are almost universally profoundly insecure people. Their faith in whatever they believe is like the old saying; a mile wide and an inch deep.

People who are genuinely secure in themselves feel no need to discriminate against others for any reason. There are times, unfortunately, when it seems such self-aware and secure people are a distinct minority in this world. And more’s the pity.

148 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 6:34:45am

re: #147 Dr Lizardo

If there is one thing I have observed about fundamentalists - be they Christian or Muslim or anything else - as well as political extremists of all stripes, it is that they are almost universally profoundly insecure people. Their faith in whatever they believe is like the old saying; a mile wide and an inch deep.

People who are genuinely secure in themselves feel no need to discriminate against others for any reason. There are times, unfortunately, when it seems such self-aware and secure people are a distinct minority in this world. And more’s the pity.

Agree with that- Re: Fundamentalists being insecure. If they were that secure in their faith, they wouldn’t need things like forced prayer or church and state together.

149 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 6:34:46am

re: #145 lawhawk

The buying power of the dollar has been steadily declining since the 1970s, and the minimum wage increases have not kept pace. For that matter, middle income families are not much better off than they were 40 years ago. I saw a stat recently that the average income for a family of four is about $52K. Once they take care of normal household expenses, that family has maybe $8K left for discretionary spending.

150 GunstarGreen  May 14, 2014 6:34:50am

re: #145 lawhawk

And the really sad thing is that they do it in the name of unbridled avarice. They willingly, knowingly damage our economy — for as you say, more people having more money means more money gets spent which means more revenue for the corporations — solely so that they can accrue ever greater piles of gold. They truly are modern-day dragons, hoarding for its own sake.

To quote a recent video I watched on the subject of the ‘successful’ and what drives them:

“Pissing your life away, amassing more wealth than you could ever possibly spend, so that you can die with a 4 and a bunch of zeroes next to your name, rather than a 1 and a bunch of zeroes.”

151 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 6:35:29am

re: #145 lawhawk

The GOP elected officials, with only a handful of exceptions, is against the minimum wage, and several are for abolishing it altogether. Their position is that the minimum wage harms employment rates, ignoring that the minimum wage wont give anyone a chance of getting out of poverty and off the safety net that the GOP has been trying to undo for the past two generations. They want to not only undo the safety net, but the means to avoid the safety net altogether. They ignore that the higher wages of a higher minimum wage can result in more jobs and money spread through the system by those who will spend it - the millions who would benefit from the wage boost.

That’s something they must be held to account for.

A more pithy synthesis for twitter purposes:

I get the impression that the GOP economic side wants a return to the pre-20th century. Gold standard, no safety net, anti-union, and pro robber baron. This also featured people living (and dying) in alleys, higher disease rates, and “panics” where the general method of economic recovery is very high unemployment rates.

Something like that in a modern service economy is going to create a very large number of unhappy, hungry, and essentially desperate people. Of such things revolutions and true police states are made.

152 Eventual Carrion  May 14, 2014 6:35:29am

re: #118 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I’m trying to imagine what a butch otter would look like …

Like this.

153 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 6:37:20am

re: #152 Eventual Carrion

Like this.

I thought otters liked slippery slopes.
O_o

154 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 6:37:32am

re: #152 Eventual Carrion

Like this.

Give him a pipe, and he could be Bob, of the Church of Bob.

I was thinking of the more furry kind of otter, anyway.

155 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 6:40:29am

I feel for you…

High wind warning issued for parts of Riverside, San Diego counties in California; heat advisory in place for coast, valleys through Thursday - @NWS
End of alert

156 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 6:41:12am

re: #151 Feline Fearless Leader

They remind me of Scrooge before Marley made his ghostly visitation. Nineteenth century England was a nasty place if you were poor, and Dickens and Charlotte Brontë did a pretty good job of depicting it.

The GOP would be more than happy to return to those grim days of the early 19th century.

157 Ian G.  May 14, 2014 6:42:26am

re: #37 CriticalDragon1177

Ouch. I almost feel sorry for the bigoted lunatic. Oh wait, no I don’t.

158 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 6:43:04am

re: #156 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

They remind me of Scrooge before Marley made his ghostly visitation. Nineteenth century England was a nasty place if you were poor, and Dickens and Charlotte Brontë did a pretty good job of depicting it.

The GOP would be more than happy to return to those grim days of the early 19th century.

ARE THERE NO WORKHOUSES? ARE THERE NO PRISONS?

160 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 6:45:52am

Reading about this mine disaster in Turkey reminds me that the US Congress didn’t form the US Bureau of Mines until 1910. In part due to a series of mine disasters in the US that each killed 200+ miners in the early 20th century.

362 (at least) in one accident alone.
en.wikipedia.org

161 Ian G.  May 14, 2014 6:45:55am

re: #117 AntonSirius

Wait, Bryan’s paraphrasing Simon and Garfunkel now? Isn’t that 60s radical secular New York devil music?

162 Ian G.  May 14, 2014 6:47:36am

re: #159 Varek Raith

Okay then.

Honestly, I feel like the discovery of extraterrestrial life (and it doesn’t have to be advanced civilizations, it could be microbes under Europa’s ice) would be a shattering blow to religious fundamentalists worse than Darwinian evolution.

163 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 6:47:57am

re: #161 Ian G.

Wait, Bryan’s paraphrasing Simon and Garfunkel now? Isn’t that 60s radical secular New York devil music?

If Bryan is found wandering the shoulder of the New Jersey Turnpike we’ll know that either Paul Simon is in his head, or Bryan has been in John Malkovich’s.

164 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 6:47:59am

“Collateral damage” for those cell phones and other electronic devices, no doubt.

Samsung offers ‘deep apology’ and compensation to workers who’ve contracted incurable diseases

Recent documentary uncovered 56 cases of leukemia

theverge.com

And do we really think people are disposing of their electronics properly?

165 Ian G.  May 14, 2014 6:48:48am

re: #160 Feline Fearless Leader

Reading about this mine disaster in Turkey reminds me that the US Congress didn’t form the US Bureau of Mines until 1910. In part due to a series of mine disasters in the US that each killed 200+ miners in the early 20th century.

362 (at least) in one accident alone.
en.wikipedia.org

Rand Paul sez “PARADISE! GOLDEN AGE OF AMERICA!”

166 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 6:50:03am

re: #162 Ian G.

Okay then.

Honestly, I feel like the discovery of extraterrestrial life (and it doesn’t have to be advanced civilizations, it could be microbes under Europa’s ice) would be a shattering blow to religious fundamentalists worse than Darwinian evolution.

I doubt it. They pay logic and evidence lip service. And the human mind has great resilience in denying facts, especially when supported by group think, an entrenched hierarchy, and/or a charismatic leader.

167 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 6:50:23am

re: #158 Pie-onist Overlord

ARE THERE NO WORKHOUSES? ARE THERE NO PRISONS?

Dickens’ works were one of the main reasons for the establishment of better protection for the poor, for debtors and for orphans. They were serialized, and he was so good at pacing his plots that people were as hooked by them as people now are by Game of Thrones or Agents of SHIELD. So, he took advantage of his bully pulpit, as it were.

Black Beauty served a similar purpose for creation of laws protecting horses and other animals from cruelty and abuse.

So, what we need today is a writer who can vividly show the rest of America what life is like for the bottom 1%, or 10%.

168 lawhawk  May 14, 2014 6:51:30am

Tomorrow, the National 9/11 Museum is being dedicated. President Obama and other politicos and community leaders will be in attendance. Families will be present as well.

I’m rather torn about the whole thing. I’ve long believed the museum should be free - and under NPS control, rather than the 9/11 Museum and Memorial Foundation. Instead, they’re going to be charging for admissions, which I think is the wrong approach for this significant site, its relevance to history, and protecting the site generally.

I have yet to trek to the memorial as well (given that I’ve ridden PATH since shortly after service was restored in 2003, I’ve seen the site built up from the inside out, and have not appreciated the fact that I simply couldn’t go when I wanted to but had to get passes to enter. That’s supposed to change once the museum opens, so we’ll see. I might get over the memorial at some point later this spring/summer.

169 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 6:55:47am

re: #168 lawhawk

I’m planning on visiting my son in Providence this summer, and dropping by NYC to visit the site. I have not been in NY (I was born on the Island) since 1995, so it will be an emotional trip on several levels.

170 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2014 6:56:06am

re: #156 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

They remind me of Scrooge before Marley made his ghostly visitation. Nineteenth century England was a nasty place if you were poor, and Dickens and Charlotte Brontë did a pretty good job of depicting it.

The GOP would be more than happy to return to those grim days of the early 19th century.

Jack London wrote several novels, many set in the East End, as well.

ETA: Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair also wrote about this.

171 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 6:58:13am

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jack London wrote several novels, many set in the East End, as well.

Many of my Chinese students are more familiar with London’s works than I am. I think I’ve only read White Fang and Call of the Wild, and those were probably Scholastic Press versions.

172 Ian G.  May 14, 2014 7:01:15am

re: #168 lawhawk

I’m rather torn about the whole thing. I’ve long believed the museum should be free - and under NPS control, rather than the 9/11 Museum and Memorial Foundation. Instead, they’re going to be charging for admissions, which I think is the wrong approach for this significant site, its relevance to history, and protecting the site generally.

Yeah, with you on that. Federal Hall, for instance, 3 blocks from the WTC site, is under NPS control, and is free to visit.

I mean, it’s not like people are visiting the 9/11 memorial for the fun of it. They’re there to pay their solemn respects. Make it free.

173 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2014 7:02:37am

re: #171 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Many of my Chinese students are more familiar with London’s works than I am. I think I’ve only read White Fang and Call of the Wild, and those were probably Scholastic Press versions.

“The People of the Abyss”
Free ebook download at gutenberg.org

174 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 7:03:33am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sweet! Thanks.
I moved the Kindle version to my Dropbox.

175 Targetpractice  May 14, 2014 7:04:59am

re: #167 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Dickens’ works were one of the main reasons for the establishment of better protection for the poor, for debtors and for orphans. They were serialized, and he was so good at pacing his plots that people were as hooked by them as people now are by Game of Thrones or Agents of SHIELD. So, he took advantage of his bully pulpit, as it were.

Black Beauty served a similar purpose for creation of laws protecting horses and other animals from cruelty and abuse.

So, what we need today is a writer who can vividly show the rest of America what life is like for the bottom 1%, or 10%.

Whereas Upton Sinclair was disheartened to find that the public cared more about the few pages discussing unsanitary conditions in slaughterhouses in The Jungle than they did about the rest of the book’s theme of the appalling conditions the country’s poor lived and worked in.

176 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 7:05:17am

re: #168 lawhawk

Tomorrow, the National 9/11 Museum is being dedicated. President Obama and other politicos and community leaders will be in attendance. Families will be present as well.

I’m rather torn about the whole thing. I’ve long believed the museum should be free - and under NPS control, rather than the 9/11 Museum and Memorial Foundation. Instead, they’re going to be charging for admissions, which I think is the wrong approach for this significant site, its relevance to history, and protecting the site generally.

I have yet to trek to the memorial as well (given that I’ve ridden PATH since shortly after service was restored in 2003, I’ve seen the site built up from the inside out, and have not appreciated the fact that I simply couldn’t go when I wanted to but had to get passes to enter. That’s supposed to change once the museum opens, so we’ll see. I might get over the memorial at some point later this spring/summer.

Well, WTC were commercial bldgs when they were hit, so it’s not surprising that admission is being charged—someone is going to pay and it will be the public. I’m not really sure that the Natl Parks Service would get involved in what is essentially a commercial enterprise, even if it is supposed to be a “memorial”. If it had been a govt bldg, it would be a sure thing.

177 William Barnett-Lewis  May 14, 2014 7:06:34am

re: #159 Varek Raith

Pope Francis Says He Would Baptize Martians If They Asked

There is a story, probably apocryphal, that when putting together Star Trek, one of the producers wrote to the Vatican and received that same answer. If they are sentient and request baptism there is nothing to say a non-human could not be baptized.

178 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 7:08:11am

re: #175 Targetpractice

The photos of Jacob Riis had an impact, though.

179 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 7:08:48am

re: #177 William Barnett-Lewis

There is a story, probably apocryphal, that when putting together Star Trek, one of the producers wrote to the Vatican and received that same answer. If they are sentient and request baptism there is nothing to say a non-human could not be baptized.

James Blish explored this a bit back in the 50s in _A Case of Conscience_.

en.wikipedia.org

180 Decatur Deb  May 14, 2014 7:10:49am

re: #159 Varek Raith

Pope Francis Says He Would Baptize Martians If They Asked

A lot of subtlety and humor is lost somewhere in this reported exchange. The theology of aliens was a favorite goof-off discussion in the old catechism classes. Bottom line was that aliens would have no impact on
Catholic theology because Christ was a response to the ‘genetic’ taint of original sin. Aliens would have their own ‘economy of salvation’ if they even needed one.

So, the pope is safe—they wouldn’t ask for baptism. Since he knows that, he’s just taking the papal piss at someone.

181 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 7:11:08am

Dim Jim, did it occur to you they might be saying these kind of things to show that it is bad, mmkay?

182 lawhawk  May 14, 2014 7:12:00am

re: #172 Ian G.

The memorial is going to remain free, but it will cost to enter the museum. I think both should be free. Charge buses visiting the area a fee for doing so, but other than that, the site should be free. Mt Rushmore is free to visit, but they have a parking fee. That should be the case here.

183 lawhawk  May 14, 2014 7:18:24am

re: #176 Justanotherhuman

The buildings may have been commercial, but they were owned and operated by a public authority (the Port Authority) and had just been leased by Silverstein months before the attacks. There were several notable federal and state agencies who had offices at the site, including the BATF, Dept. Agriculture, Labor Dept, FBI, CIA, USSS, and SEC as well as NYS Dept. of Tax and Finance.

The admission is being charged because the Foundation claims that it needs those fees to cover their expenses because there’s no federal funding involved, to manage and maintain the site, the collection, etc.

It has nothing to do with it being a commercial building.

184 Dr. Matt  May 14, 2014 7:25:07am

re: #159 Varek Raith

Pope Francis Says He Would Baptize Martians If They Asked

Ok now, he’s just trolling the right at this point.

185 Decatur Deb  May 14, 2014 7:30:38am

re: #184 Dr. Matt

Ok now, he’s just trolling the right at this point.

They don’t call him ‘Bridgebuilder’ for nuttin’.

186 Dr. Matt  May 14, 2014 7:31:57am

Famous Action-Movie Quotes, As Sentence Diagrams

Remember sentence diagrams? If you’re like me—under 30 without a day spent in a Catholic school—the answer’s probably no, but that doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy looking at them. Luckily, Pop Chart Lab just released “A Diagrammatical Dissertation on Notable Lines of Cinematic Action,” which breaks down the sentence constructions of some of the best lines in action movie history.

I honestly do not recall ever doing this in school….ever. Have any of you?

187 Decatur Deb  May 14, 2014 7:33:23am

re: #186 Dr. Matt

Famous Action-Movie Quotes, As Sentence Diagrams

I honestly do not recall ever doing this in school….ever. Have any of you?

Yup—to a half-page sentence of Cicero’s. In Latin. Took a couple blackboards.

188 sagehen  May 14, 2014 7:35:59am

re: #169 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I’m planning on visiting my son in Providence this summer, and dropping by NYC to visit the site. I have not been in NY (I was born on the Island) since 1995, so it will be an emotional trip on several levels.

You won’t recognize Times Square.

And if you like long bike rides, the Manhattan perimeter (up the East River and down the Hudson), will show you What Bloomberg Hath Wrought and you’ll be impressed.

189 Dr. Matt  May 14, 2014 7:36:10am

re: #187 Decatur Deb

Yup—to a half-page sentence of Cicero’s. In Latin. Took a couple blackboards.

I must have been sick (or stoned) that day in school. Was this junior high or high school?

190 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 7:36:28am

re: #186 Dr. Matt

I think diagramming went out of favor by the time I reached junior high, so I never learned it. But honestly I think it would help some of my Chinese students understand English grammar better

191 Decatur Deb  May 14, 2014 7:37:30am

re: #189 Dr. Matt

I must have been sick (or stoned) that day in school. Was this junior high or high school?

Hardcore pre-Vatican II seminary. Probably 3-4th yr of HS.

192 kirkspencer  May 14, 2014 7:37:55am

re: #186 Dr. Matt

Famous Action-Movie Quotes, As Sentence Diagrams

I honestly do not recall ever doing this in school….ever. Have any of you?

Yes, I learned how to do this. Three times. First back when/where I grew up it was part of basic grammar education. It was how you learned the construction of complex sentences.

The second time was in high school, and I learned to use it to evaluate literature.

Third time was while learning a foreign language (spanish). The instructor said that using the diagrams, with the tense indicators, helped not only with grammar but with dependency structures. I’ve learned since that even though I only dabble with a few other languages that holds true - once you learn what the structure SHOULD be, diagramming helps organize what you’re trying to put down.

It’s still silly looking and a pain in the rear, /almost/ not worth the effort.

193 Decatur Deb  May 14, 2014 7:40:07am

re: #192 kirkspencer

Yes, I learned how to do this. Three times. First back when/where I grew up it was part of basic grammar education. It was how you learned the construction of complex sentences.

The second time was in high school, and I learned to use it to evaluate literature.

Third time was while learning a foreign language (spanish). The instructor said that using the diagrams, with the tense indicators, helped not only with grammar but with dependency structures. I’ve learned since that even though I only dabble with a few other languages that holds true - once you learn what the structure SHOULD be, diagramming helps organize what you’re trying to put down.

It’s still silly looking and a pain in the rear, /almost/ not worth the effort.

Was shocked that my kids’ schools not only didn’t diagram, they didn’t teach how to make a basic composition outline.

194 sagehen  May 14, 2014 7:41:04am

re: #186 Dr. Matt

Famous Action-Movie Quotes, As Sentence Diagrams

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I honestly do not recall ever doing this in school….ever. Have any of you?

Absolutely. (3rd or 4th grade… mid-1960’s). Diagramming sentences was at least a month’s worth of English lessons. Did a lot for reading comprehension.

195 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 7:45:13am

re: #194 sagehen

Absolutely. (3rd or 4th grade… mid-1960’s). Diagramming sentences was at least a month’s worth of English lessons. Did a lot for reading comprehension.

The problem is, for me, I have to diagram everything in latin.

196 Killgore Trout  May 14, 2014 7:45:29am

Oliver Stone has another revised history documentary

Oliver Stone’s Disgraceful Tribute to Hugo Chávez

How the renowned director’s latest film distorts history and whitewashes an authoritarian thug.

The entire film is available online
Youtube Video

197 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 7:45:45am

198 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 7:45:48am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

Was shocked that my kids’ schools not only didn’t diagram, they didn’t teach how to make a basic composition outline.

I hated outlining as a kid. It took years before I realized the utility of it.

Common Core standards may be reviving the pedagogy, albeit in a different format.

199 Dr. Matt  May 14, 2014 7:46:32am

Well, I’m going to stick to the adage, “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks”, and never worry about diagramming sentences. You can put that in my obit.

200 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 7:47:23am

It’s dreary and wet in my part of the world. I cancelled most of my appointments this week and just decided to wallow in it.

Sometimes, a person, just needs to do that.

birds are ominously quiet.

201 Decatur Deb  May 14, 2014 7:47:28am

re: #195 FemNaziBitch

The problem is, for me, I have to diagram everything in latin.

Useful skill—you can read the inscriptions on public buildings.

202 NJDhockeyfan  May 14, 2014 7:48:32am
203 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 7:48:37am

I bought this book for my mom, she loved it.

Sister Bernadette’s Barking Dog.

204 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 7:49:09am

re: #200 FemNaziBitch

It’s dreary and wet in my part of the world. I cancelled most of my appointments this week and just decided to wallow in it.

Sometimes, a person, just needs to do that.

birds are ominously quiet.

They’re just fuckin’ with your head. Have some more coffee.

205 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2014 7:49:14am
206 Decatur Deb  May 14, 2014 7:50:14am

re: #199 Dr. Matt

Well, I’m going to stick to the adage, “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks”, and never worry about diagramming sentences. You can put that in my obit.

Think of it as flowcharting, if it fits your XXI Cent. perspective.

207 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 7:50:34am

re: #186 Dr. Matt

Famous Action-Movie Quotes, As Sentence Diagrams

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I honestly do not recall ever doing this in school….ever. Have any of you?

I think it was a nun-thing. If you didn’t go to RC school, you probably didn’t do it. We had new sentences on the end of the blackboard wall every day. It was considered busy work.

208 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 7:51:42am

re: #207 FemNaziBitch

I think it was a nun-thing. If you didn’t go to RC school, you probably didn’t do it. We had new sentences on the end of the blackboard wall every day. It was considered busy work.

Well, I went to public school, so maybe that’s why I never saw it.

209 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 7:52:00am

re: #201 Decatur Deb

Useful skill—you can read the inscriptions on public buildings.

Well, I didn’t say I could actually do anything else in latin.

Root and Stem recall is abysmal.

210 Decatur Deb  May 14, 2014 7:52:57am

re: #208 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Well, I went to public school, so maybe that’s why I never saw it.

So you’ll never really understand the DaVinci Code.

211 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 7:54:03am

re: #210 Decatur Deb

So you’ll never really understand the DaVinci Code.

Yeah, I feel real sorry for those who never went to RC school, they miss so many of the subtle references in life.

NOT

212 Dr. Matt  May 14, 2014 7:54:07am

re: #208 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Well, I went to public school, so maybe that’s why I never saw it.

Ditto. Our public schools were awesome back in the day. The only kids that went to Catholic schools back then were actually the trouble makers. Strange paradigm.

213 Skip Intro  May 14, 2014 7:57:22am

Back in the land of Colossal Assholes with Microphones,

Rush Limbaugh took his criticism of the #BringBackOurGirls campaign one step further on Tuesday, and accused Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama of sympathizing with the girls’ kidnappers.

huffingtonpost.com

214 Decatur Deb  May 14, 2014 7:58:19am

re: #212 Dr. Matt

Ditto. Our public schools were awesome back in the day. The only kids that went to Catholic schools back then were actually the trouble makers. Strange paradigm.

Hee hee. Five years Catholic military reform school, five more Catholic seminary. I gotcher troublemakers right here, Vinnie.

215 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:00:36am

216 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:03:02am

re: #212 Dr. Matt

Ditto. Our public schools were awesome back in the day. The only kids that went to Catholic schools back then were actually the trouble makers. Strange paradigm.

Hard core RC Mom. Same for most of my classmates. Sometimes in the mid-70’s we got an influx of protestent kids because they were threatening to institute bussing. Remember, I was in the Detroit area. So you can imagine the outrage.

One thing I have noticed about the troublemakers —the Nuns etc knew exactly what to do with them and most are doing quite well in life.

217 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 8:04:07am

re: #215 FemNaziBitch

I gotta send that to my daughter!

218 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:04:45am
This is an automatic Pollen and Mold Alert from the National Allergy Bureau, a service of the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology.

Station: Chicago Area (Melrose Park), IL
Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Station Head(s): Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Date of Pollen and Mold Count: 05/14/2014

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Pollen & Mold Summary
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Trees: High Concentration
Weeds: High Concentration
Grass: High Concentration
Mold: High Concentration

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Pollen & Mold Detail

(Top three species per category)
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Trees
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1. Oak
2. Birch
3. Willow

Weeds
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1. Nettle family, Pellitory
2. Plantain

Grass
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1. Grass Family, all types

Mold
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1. Cladosporium
2. Ascospores: includes Leptosphaeria, Venturia, Ascobolus, Diatrypaceae, Pleospora, Xylaria, Chaetomium, Sporomiella, Claviceps, Ascomycete, et al.
3. Basidiomycete/Basidiospore

Yeah, I’m staying in the air conditioning all day today.

219 Decatur Deb  May 14, 2014 8:05:01am

re: #216 FemNaziBitch

Hard core RC Mom. Same for most of my classmates. Sometimes in the mid-70’s we got an influx of protestent kids because they were threatening to institute bussing. Remember, I was in the Detroit area. So you can imagine the outrage.

One thing I have noticed about the troublemakers —the Nuns etc knew exactly what to do with them and most are doing quite well in life.

I wildly underestimated our nuns. Turned out most of them had a Masters, and one had written a thesis on the role of women in the workplace in 1944.

220 NJDhockeyfan  May 14, 2014 8:05:38am
221 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 8:06:40am

Because he’s not that into lame, fake photo-ops.

222 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:08:18am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

I wildly underestimated our nuns. Turned out most of them had a Masters, and one had written a thesis on the role of women in the workplace in 1944.

You have to remember that for our generation, nuns were women who had few career choices in life. Being a nun was one of the few avenues for education for a poor woman.

If the choice was a husband, children, drudgery and poverty vs. education and fulfilling career, but no sex —which would you choose?

223 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 8:08:49am

nbcnews.com

I guess the follow-up question is whether certain “journalists” will simply ignore this, or somehow twist this into being GCHQ or NSA activity. After all, no one else spies.
//

224 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 8:10:48am

re: #213 Skip Intro

Back in the land of Colossal Assholes with Microphones,

Rush Limbaugh took his criticism of the #BringBackOurGirls campaign one step further on Tuesday, and accused Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama of sympathizing with the girls’ kidnappers.

huffingtonpost.com

Yeah Rush. Michelle sympathizes with the girls kidnappers. That’s why she’s asking her husband to do something about the kidnapping. Do you listen to the crap that you spew to your paranoid viewers ever fat head?

225 GunstarGreen  May 14, 2014 8:12:50am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

Yeah Rush. Michelle sympathizes with the girls kidnappers. That’s why she’s asking her husband to do something about the kidnapping. Do you listen to the crap that you spew to your paranoid viewers ever fat head?

Of course he does. Though it’s a little hard to hear over the sound of coins clinking into his money vault because we as a society continue to allow him to profit off of lies, slander, and propaganda.

226 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 8:13:56am

re: #225 GunstarGreen

Of course he does. Though it’s a little hard to hear over the sound of coins clinking into his money vault because we as a society continue to allow him to profit off of lies, slander, and propaganda.

Yep, Limbaugh has become a multi-millionaire as a hate propagandist. Makes one sick thinking about it.

227 Decatur Deb  May 14, 2014 8:15:56am

re: #222 FemNaziBitch

You have to remember that for our generation, nuns were women who had few career choices in life. Being a nun was one of the few avenues for education for a poor woman.

If the choice was a husband, children, drudgery and poverty vs. education and fulfilling career, but no sex —which would you choose?

All true, plus a strong psychic payback. All that I knew, 24/7, were deeply in tune with their worldview and ideology whether it was right or wrong.

(Ours got all the children they could stand—about 10:1, fulltime.)

BBL

228 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 8:16:50am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Yep, Limbaugh has become a multi-millionaire as a hate propagandist. Makes one sick thinking about it.

On the other hand, in 50 years, will anyone remember who Rush Limbaugh was, and would they care? Has he left any lasting legacy for future generations? I’d say no.

229 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:16:53am

I notice both Rush and Coulter have no children.

Their ability to empathize shouldn’t hinge on that, yet they seem to have little concept of what missing a child means.

230 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 8:19:05am

re: #229 FemNaziBitch

I notice both Rush and Coulter have no children.

Their ability to empathize shouldn’t hinge on that, yet they seem to have little concept of what missing a child means.

In some ways, this is a good thing.

231 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 8:20:45am

My limited wikipedia scanning while listening to a conference call this morning hit upon two main pages:

en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org

This, pretty much in a nutshell, is why I find references to Christianity as some sort of monolithic entity so laughable. It’s a huge spectrum of belief tied up in a single label.

Though most of those who use said label would also probably fall in the exclusivist side of the equation. Which doesn’t surprise me at all.

232 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 8:21:58am

re: #228 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

On the other hand, in 50 years, will anyone remember who Rush Limbaugh was, and would they care? Has he left any lasting legacy for future generations? I’d say no.

A footnote or encyclopedia entry of about the same importance as Father Coughlin. Few will recognize the name or historical significance.

233 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:23:11am

This is what the United States looks like after a 10 foot sea level rise

Yeah, I’ll be staying in the middle of the country.

234 Ian G.  May 14, 2014 8:23:42am

re: #232 Feline Fearless Leader

A footnote or encyclopedia entry of about the same importance as Father Coughlin. Few will recognize the name or historical significance.

This exactly. He’ll be listed with Father Coughlin, and maybe some fire-eaters from the south like Laurence Keitt. That will be his legacy.

235 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 14, 2014 8:23:49am

re: #232 Feline Fearless Leader

A footnote or encyclopedia entry of about the same importance as Father Coughlin. Few will recognize the name or historical significance.

Rush might get a bigger notice - as one of the major contributors to the decline of the GOP

236 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 8:24:10am

re: #229 FemNaziBitch

I notice both Rush and Coulter have no children.

Their ability to empathize shouldn’t hinge on that, yet they seem to have little concept of what missing a child means.

Coulter’s not even married not that there’s anything wrong with that but that she comes from an ideology that tells women that they should marry young and pro-create.

237 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 8:25:54am

re: #232 Feline Fearless Leader

A footnote or encyclopedia entry of about the same importance as Father Coughlin. Few will recognize the name or historical significance.

He’ll be remembered the way Father Coughlin is in most circles- a hateful bigot who used the airwaves to strum up hatred. Really, there is no real difference in what Coughlin did 75 years ago and what Limbaugh has done over the last 25 years.

238 Killgore Trout  May 14, 2014 8:26:12am

Meanwhile in Yemen
Al Qaeda group kills Defense Ministry aide in latest Yemen attacks

More than 20 people have been killed in clashes in Yemen. The latest fighting came as the country’s army had taken the offensive against al Qaeda-linked groups.

239 Ian G.  May 14, 2014 8:26:15am

re: #229 FemNaziBitch

I notice both Rush and Coulter have no children.

And thank god for that. I wouldn’t want a child to be raised by these monsters.

240 kirkspencer  May 14, 2014 8:27:43am

re: #207 FemNaziBitch

I think it was a nun-thing. If you didn’t go to RC school, you probably didn’t do it. We had new sentences on the end of the blackboard wall every day. It was considered busy work.

No, sorry, I was public school.

I think RC schools hung onto it longer, but if you get access to (sucha s they are) standard grammar texts of the early 20th century you’ll see diagramming in them.

241 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:28:43am

If Rush and Coulter had kids, they probably wouldn’t be so inflexible. Kids have a way of humanizing adults.

242 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 8:29:19am

re: #240 kirkspencer

No, sorry, I was public school.

I think RC schools hung onto it longer, but if you get access to (sucha s they are) standard grammar texts of the early 20th century you’ll see diagramming in them.

I remember diagramming sentences in grade school in the early 70s. Public school in Indiana.

243 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:29:24am

Caught!

244 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:29:59am

one of my favorite graphics

#243 reminded me of this

245 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:31:07am

Why we laugh:

sciencefriday.com

246 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 8:31:28am

To follow up, FLOTUS will Tweet how dangerous and unhealthy it is to drink lighter fluid.

247 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 8:33:12am

re: #241 FemNaziBitch

If Rush and Coulter had kids, they probably wouldn’t be so inflexible. Kids have a way of humanizing adults.

I don’t know. I see what you mean but there are plenty of people out there who are just as hateful and nutty as those two who have kids. To me, Rush and Ann’s problems are linked to their inability to empathize who doesn’t think like them and they would have this problem I think if they had kids.

248 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 14, 2014 8:40:12am

re: #247 HappyWarrior

I don’t know. I see what you mean but there are plenty of people out there who are just as hateful and nutty as those two who have kids. To me, Rush and Ann’s problems are linked to their inability to empathize with anyone who doesn’t think like them and they would have this problem I think if they had kids.

That is a problem throughout the GOP…I thought that politics was about winning people over to your side, not branding everyone you disagree with a slut, loser, terrorist sympathizer, parasite, baby-killer, etc…

249 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 8:41:05am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That is a problem throughout the GOP…I thought that politics was about winning people over to your side, not branding everyone you disagree with a slut, loser, terrorist sympathizer, parasite, baby-killer, etc…

It’s an age-old tactic — demonize the enemy.

250 NJDhockeyfan  May 14, 2014 8:42:46am
251 darthstar  May 14, 2014 8:42:56am

Greetings from Vegas. I’m at Access Data Users Conference (security shit…something Greenwald wouldn’t understand unless someone stole it for him and read it aloud)…I’ll let you know if I see any rogue routers.

Anyway…time to ping my team back at the office.

252 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 14, 2014 8:44:27am

re: #249 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

It’s an age-old tactic — demonize the enemy.

if everyone you disagree with is an enemy, how do you get them to vote for you?

253 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:44:58am
254 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 8:45:15am

re: #251 darthstar

Greetings from Vegas. I’m at Access Data Users Conference (security shit…something Greenwald wouldn’t understand unless someone stole it for him and read it aloud)…I’ll let you know if I see any rogue routers.

Anyway…time to ping my team back at the office.

Check under your chair and hotel bed for NSA moles. They might chip your cellphone.

255 Skip Intro  May 14, 2014 8:45:23am

Meanwhile, Grover Norquist is trying name everything that hasn’t been nailed down after Saint Ronnie of Reagan.

ronaldreaganlegacyproject.org

256 gwangung  May 14, 2014 8:46:21am

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

if everyone you disagree with is an enemy, how do you get them to vote for you?

Who says they want others to vote?

257 darthstar  May 14, 2014 8:47:01am

re: #254 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Check under your chair and hotel bed for NSA moles. They might chip your cellphone.

I got a free aluminium wallet (al-oo-min-ee-um for the Brits and Aussies) so they have to get through that to read the points on my Aria player’s card.

258 NJDhockeyfan  May 14, 2014 8:47:14am

re: #233 FemNaziBitch

This is what the United States looks like after a 10 foot sea level rise

Yeah, I’ll be staying in the middle of the country.

I’m in Tennessee so I’m safe…I think. There are fossils of shellfish all over the side of a hill down the road where my aunt had a farm.

259 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:48:41am
260 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 8:50:50am

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

if everyone you disagree with is an enemy, how do you get them to vote for you?

You’re thinking inside the box. Why not just take away their ability to vote at all?
:p

261 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:51:59am
262 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:52:14am

re: #260 Feline Fearless Leader

You’re thinking inside the box. Why not just take away their ability to vote at all?
:p

There is a box?

263 Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2014 8:52:40am

re: #259 FemNaziBitch

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Sounds to me like it shoulda been the creepy dads with their ‘impure thoughts’ kicked out, not her.

264 NJDhockeyfan  May 14, 2014 8:53:02am
265 b.d.  May 14, 2014 8:54:11am

re: #253 FemNaziBitch

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There’s a Dudebro joke in there somewhere.

266 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:54:23am

Vocabulary Word for the Day:

slimsy

PRONUNCIATION:
(SLIM-zee)

MEANING:
adjective: Flimsy; frail.

ETYMOLOGY:
A blend of slim + flimsy. Earliest documented use: 1845.

USAGE:
“When he asked if she needed a rest, stubbornness caused her to refuse — She didn’t want him thinking she was soft and slimsy.”
Dawn Shamp; On Account of Conspicuous Women; Thomas Dunne Books; 2008.

267 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 8:54:31am

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

Sounds to me like it shoulda been the creepy dads with their ‘impure thoughts’ kicked out, not her.

Also too: she came with her Black boyfriend.

268 gwangung  May 14, 2014 8:56:04am

re: #267 Pie-onist Overlord

Also too: she came with her Black boyfriend.

Why does this not surprise me?

269 GunstarGreen  May 14, 2014 8:56:27am

re: #259 FemNaziBitch

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Homeschoolers — presumably of the very-highly-religiously-motivated variety, given the context of the incident.

Lusting after children.

Now, I’m not saying this is unsurprising. But this shit is unsurprising.

270 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 8:56:52am

re: #267 Pie-onist Overlord

Also too: she came with her Black boyfriend.

A double-play! Now, if one was a Muslim we could have a triple!

271 lawhawk  May 14, 2014 8:56:58am

re: #267 Pie-onist Overlord

Youtube Video

272 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 8:58:33am

REBELLIOUS ECONOMICS STUDENTS HAVE A POINT

What is it? Economics is theory, Finance is practice?

273 1Peter G1  May 14, 2014 8:59:04am

A decade spent mouthing off on the internet and all I can think of to say as my very first LGF post is “good”. Maybe I should try the Greenwald thread. There are rich veins of irony and sarcasm yet to be mined on that person.

274 wrenchwench  May 14, 2014 9:00:43am

re: #273 1Peter G1

Welcome, hatchling.

275 lawhawk  May 14, 2014 9:00:57am

And now, Uganda criminalizes the intentional transmission of HIV. Not only are they inflicting yet more indignities on the LBGT community there, but they’re going to set back public health in the process by actually making the situation they’re trying to fix worse:

But rights activists said the law would deter voluntary testing and further stigmatise infection with HIV, which causes AIDS and is primarily transmitted through unprotected intercourse as well as from mother to child during pregnancy.

“Evidence from the Ugandan Ministry of Health shows clearly - criminalisation of HIV doesn’t work,” said Asia Russell, Uganda-based director of international policy at Health GAP, an HIV advocacy group.

“It drives people away from services, and fuels discrimination and fear.”

Uganda had managed to cut infection rates from 18.5 percent of the population in 1992 to about 5 percent in 2000, according to United Nations figures. But the Ministry of Health puts the current rate at about 7.3 percent.

While HIV sufferers in developed countries can have near-normal life expectancy thanks to anti-retroviral drugs, rather than dying within perhaps a decade, this medication is too expensive for many in Africa. According to the United Nations, in 2011 only 54 percent of eligible Ugandan HIV sufferers were receiving anti-retrovirals.

The government argues that the “HIV and AIDS prevention and control bill”, first put forward in 2010, is needed to cut infection rates and reinforce other government measures to combat HIV/AIDS.

But activists say that, in addition to violating rights to confidentiality, the law will be hard to enforce as it can be very hard to determine which of two HIV-positive people infected the other.

They also note that the law does not appear to spell out what constitutes “wilful and intentional” transmission, and whether this would specifically exempt someone who had sex without knowing that they were HIV-positive, or who used a barrier such as a condom.

276 palomino  May 14, 2014 9:01:26am

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

I’m in Tennessee so I’m safe…I think. There are fossils of shellfish all over the side of a hill down the road where my aunt had a farm.

No one is actually “safe” when entire ecosystems are in danger. Ripple effects everywhere.

Just one example: massive loss of land area for industrial food production.

277 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 9:02:01am

re: #273 1Peter G1

Ditto wrenchwench. Welcome to the fold.

Didja bring coffee and donuts?

278 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 9:02:36am
279 The Ghost of a Flea  May 14, 2014 9:03:00am
They also note that the law does not appear to spell out what constitutes “wilful and intentional” transmission,

Feature, not a bug, given what’s going on.

280 lawhawk  May 14, 2014 9:04:34am

re: #233 FemNaziBitch

NYC and Long Island would look a whole lot difference, even with a 3-4 foot change in sea level. And that doesn’t account for storm surges during hurricanes, which would push levels even higher.

While I’m safe where I am in Northern NJ (90-100 feet above sea level), much of Long Island south of Merrick Road would be lost to the Atlantic, as would a significant portion of Lower Manhattan, and coastal New Jersey (including Jersey City, Hoboken, etc., and Connecticut.

The higher sea levels would also potentially affect inland areas by modifying the weather and climate there.

281 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 9:05:04am

re: #275 lawhawk

Would this law have its origins in American RWNJ-land?

282 bubba zanetti  May 14, 2014 9:05:47am
283 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 9:06:22am

re: #275 lawhawk

Isn’t intentional transmission considered attempted murder?

Wasn’t there a case in the US involving a dentist … .

284 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 9:06:57am

re: #280 lawhawk

NYC and Long Island would look a whole lot difference, even with a 3-4 foot change in sea level. And that doesn’t account for storm surges during hurricanes, which would push levels even higher.

While I’m safe where I am in Northern NJ (90-100 feet above sea level), much of Long Island south of Merrick Road would be lost to the Atlantic, as would a significant portion of Lower Manhattan, and coastal New Jersey (including Jersey City, Hoboken, etc., and Connecticut.

The higher sea levels would also potentially affect inland areas by modifying the weather and climate there.

I have to wonder about the great lakes and other inland water ways that connect directly or indirectly with the oceans.

285 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 9:07:32am

re: #277 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Ditto wrenchwench. Welcome to the fold.

Didja bring coffee and donuts?

FRESH COFFEE, cream and sugar

286 Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2014 9:08:15am

re: #275 lawhawk

And now, Uganda criminalizes the intentional transmission of HIV. Not only are they inflicting yet more indignities on the LBGT community there, but they’re going to set back public health in the process by actually making the situation they’re trying to fix worse:

I can’t help but wonder how long it’ll be until the RWNJ’s start migrating en masse to Uganda - after all, it’s passing laws clearly in line with what the RWNJ’s consider to be ideal.

I wonder where they’ll go first? Uganda or Russia? Especially if the Supreme Court legalizes SSM nationwide - something I predict they will next year (2015).

287 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 9:09:12am

re: #285 FemNaziBitch

FRESH COFFEE, cream and sugar

AND Krispy Kremes, still warm from the oven. An assortment, please.

288 lawhawk  May 14, 2014 9:09:17am

re: #281 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Quite possibly, given how they were involved in other aspects of limiting LBGT rights there.

re: #283 FemNaziBitch

I recall some kind of case involving someone who injected someone else with a disease, whether it was hepatitis or HIV, and that person was charged in the US, but that can be distinguished from what the Ugandans are looking to do - criminalizing sexual conduct between gays, one of whom may be HIV+.

289 palomino  May 14, 2014 9:10:04am

re: #264 NJDhockeyfan

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Very simple and depressing explanation:

Reid - Nevada
Adelson - Nevada
Kochs - not Nevada

290 Varek Raith  May 14, 2014 9:12:11am

re: #289 palomino

Very simple and depressing explanation:

Reid - Nevada
Adelson - Nevada
Kochs - not Nevada

Pretty much.

291 Varek Raith  May 14, 2014 9:13:05am

Apparently, the U.S. Government Will Be Overthrown. On Friday.

This way the revolutionary cosplayers involved will still have the weekend, you know, to party.

292 palomino  May 14, 2014 9:14:23am

re: #282 bubba zanetti

Condi managed to avoid the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld stench even though she was in the admin. in top positions for the full 8 years. Skillful on her part, if nothing else.

293 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 9:15:14am

re: #291 Varek Raith

Apparently, the U.S. Government Will Be Overthrown. On Friday.

Unless it rains. Or the knuckleheads leave home and forget the gas money.

294 Varek Raith  May 14, 2014 9:17:38am

re: #293 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Unless it rains. Or the knuckleheads leave home and forget the gas money.

They won’t find parking.
It’s DC for crying out loud.
XD

295 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 9:19:04am

re: #294 Varek Raith

They won’t find parking.
It’s DC for crying out loud.
XD

They want 10 million people to descend on DC. Logistics is not their strong suit, I can tell.

Can you imagine arranging car pooling for 10 million people? Jeez

296 Varek Raith  May 14, 2014 9:20:38am

Solange Knowles vs Jay Z is a Reminder that US Drone Policy is Immoral
Chez is good at trolling.
XD

297 darthstar  May 14, 2014 9:21:05am

DOS isn’t dead.

298 wrenchwench  May 14, 2014 9:21:36am

re: #295 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

They want 10 million people to descend on DC. Logistics is not their strong suit, I can tell.

Can you imagine arranging car pooling for 10 million people? Jeez

They don’t believe in sharing rides. Or taking buses or trains. Or riding bikes.

They’re screwed.

299 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 9:22:28am

re: #298 wrenchwench

They don’t believe in sharing rides. Or taking buses or trains. Or riding bikes.

They’re screwed.

What if someone declared a war, and everyone was stuck in traffic?

300 Sergey Romanov  May 14, 2014 9:22:38am

I’ve just stumbled upon this and … ugh.

301 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 9:22:40am

re: #298 wrenchwench

They don’t believe in sharing rides. Or taking buses or trains. Or riding bikes.

They’re screwed.

Each one will drive his own big rig.

302 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 9:22:53am

Elder works for Buzzfeed, so I think this is snark. : ) Putin himself handed out the awards.

303 Varek Raith  May 14, 2014 9:23:07am

re: #298 wrenchwench

They don’t believe in sharing rides. Or taking buses or trains. Or riding bikes.

They’re screwed.

Totally.
With DC it’s Metro or nothing.
Then walking once you’re there.

304 iossarian  May 14, 2014 9:24:04am

re: #297 darthstar

DOS isn’t dead.

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I’m with him. If I didn’t have to share things with other people I’d do most of my typing in Emacs.

305 Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2014 9:24:42am

re: #298 wrenchwench

They don’t believe in sharing rides. Or taking buses or trains. Or riding bikes.

They’re screwed.

Ah, but you’re forgetting their death machines - the Hoveround.

FEAR THE PATRIOTS AND OPERATION AMERICAN SPRING!!

306 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 9:25:08am

re: #304 iossarian

I’m with him. If I didn’t have to share things with other people I’d do most of my typing in Emacs.

VI U WIMPS!!!!!!

307 wrenchwench  May 14, 2014 9:25:10am

From the article:

[…]

Sir Norman went on to say that the Tripe Marketing Board had other plans for new products that would be finding their way to the kitchen table in 2015, in an effort to persuade younger consumers to give tripe a try. “It’s more important than ever that we break into the lucrative under 85 market, and retailers like Mr Boot are in the vanguard of that bid,” he said.

308 William Barnett-Lewis  May 14, 2014 9:25:55am

re: #297 darthstar

DOS isn’t dead.

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I have a copy of Wordstar 7.0D on 3.5” floppies. When I first had a decent job out of the army it was the first piece of software I had that I made legal by buying the current version. Alas, it was also the _last_ version and now all I can remember of the commands is the cursor diamond -

^E
^S ^D
^X

with Word commands overwriting the memory locations of everything else.

309 iossarian  May 14, 2014 9:26:28am

re: #306 Pie-onist Overlord

VI U WIMPS!!!!!!

I learned Emacs first, so I never got into vi except as a fallback. Here’s a pro-vi joke though:

Q: What does EMACS stand for?

A: Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping.

310 palomino  May 14, 2014 9:26:34am

re: #280 lawhawk

NYC and Long Island would look a whole lot difference, even with a 3-4 foot change in sea level. And that doesn’t account for storm surges during hurricanes, which would push levels even higher.

While I’m safe where I am in Northern NJ (90-100 feet above sea level), much of Long Island south of Merrick Road would be lost to the Atlantic, as would a significant portion of Lower Manhattan, and coastal New Jersey (including Jersey City, Hoboken, etc., and Connecticut.

The higher sea levels would also potentially affect inland areas by modifying the weather and climate there.

Pretty disheartening when old pundits like Will and Krauthammer dismiss global warming out of hand. For fuck’s sake, Krauthammer is an M.D., but on global warming he talks like a guy who never heard of the scientific method.

Either way, when very old political commentators tells you not to worry about AGW, you have to take it with a grain of salt. In addition to their scientific blinders, neither Will nor Krauthammer is particularly good at math (witness their predictions of huge Romney landslides in 2012). Still, both guys know their own ages and can do simple arithmetic. It’s very easy to ignore a long term problem when you know you’ve probably only got 10-20 years max left on the planet.

311 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 9:27:38am

re: #300 Sergey Romanov

It’s a sad comment on Chinese society, but people here are afraid of helping accident victims for fear of being held liable and being sued or being shaken down for money. But this video outraged people here, so maybe the “don’t get involved” attitude will change.

312 palomino  May 14, 2014 9:28:07am

re: #305 Dr Lizardo

Ah, but you’re forgetting their death machines - the Hoveround.

FEAR THE PATRIOTS AND OPERATION AMERICAN SPRING!!

Don’t laugh. That’s the skinniest person in Houston.

313 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 9:28:33am

re: #308 William Barnett-Lewis

I have a copy of Wordstar 7.0D on 3.5” floppies. When I first had a decent job out of the army it was the first piece of software I had that I made legal by buying the current version. Alas, it was also the _last_ version and now all I can remember of the commands is the cursor diamond -

^E
^S ^D
^X

with Word commands overwriting the memory locations of everything else.

For almost 2 decades, I used Word Perfect; offices seldom had anything else. It was easy-peasy.

314 William Barnett-Lewis  May 14, 2014 9:28:44am

re: #304 iossarian

I’m with him. If I didn’t have to share things with other people I’d do most of my typing in Emacs.

I’ve found a really nice fast & small version of MicroEmacs that I like. 90% of the capability & 5% of the bloat. jasspa.com

315 klys  May 14, 2014 9:29:51am

re: #306 Pie-onist Overlord

VI U WIMPS!!!!!!

BURN IT WITH FIRE.

316 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 9:30:28am

re: #309 iossarian

I learned Emacs first, so I never got into vi except as a fallback. Here’s a pro-vi joke though:

Q: What does EMACS stand for?

A: Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping.

Although I never had to do much vi, I worked in a VMS environment where they had a decent text editor.

317 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 9:30:48am

re: #313 Justanotherhuman

For almost 2 decades, I used Word Perfect; offices seldom had anything else. It was easy-peasy.

I liked WP, too. I resisted using Word for years until there was no escaping the Microsoft hegemony.

318 William Barnett-Lewis  May 14, 2014 9:31:07am

re: #309 iossarian

I learned Emacs first, so I never got into vi except as a fallback. Here’s a pro-vi joke though:

Q: What does EMACS stand for?

A: Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping.

The first system I used it on (ATT Unix-PC aka 3B1) had 4mb total ram and occasionally with a large file that could be true. But after a few weeks, the only use I ever had for VI was to edit the EMACS make file ;)

319 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 9:32:17am

re: #315 klys

BURN IT WITH FIRE.

I remember back in the day somebody telling me DON’T USE THAT CAPITALIST RUNNING DOG MICROSOFT, SWITCH TO LINUX!!!! and I said what about a word processor?

HURR HURR WHO NEEDS MS WORD WE HAVE VI!!!!!!

320 iossarian  May 14, 2014 9:32:24am

re: #318 William Barnett-Lewis

But after a few weeks, the only use I ever had for VI was to edit the EMACS make file ;)

Burn.

321 klys  May 14, 2014 9:33:38am

re: #319 Pie-onist Overlord

I remember back in the day somebody telling me DON’T USE THAT CAPITALIST RUNNING DOG MICROSOFT, SWITCH TO LINUX!!!! and I said what about a word processor?

HURR HURR WHO NEEDS MS WORD WE HAVE VI!!!!!!

Because it is the nature of software controlling several hundreds of thousands of dollars of scientific hardware to never actually get updated, I learned vi in grad school for editing the text files associated with the data collection for samples.

Seriously.

322 William Barnett-Lewis  May 14, 2014 9:33:54am

re: #316 Pie-onist Overlord

Although I never had to do much vi, I worked in a VMS environment where they had a decent text editor.

Yes, that & the help system that was really helpful were two of the most pleasant surprises I found when I first tried VMS 6.x on a Vaxstation.

323 wrenchwench  May 14, 2014 9:34:08am

re: #313 Justanotherhuman

For almost 2 decades, I used Word Perfect; offices seldom had anything else. It was easy-peasy.

I love this.

Word Perhect. [Sic]

324 Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2014 9:34:12am

re: #312 palomino

Don’t laugh. That’s the skinniest person in Houston.

If that’s the skinniest person in Houston, I’d probably look positively emaciated if I went there.

Like when my Czech ex-wife and I went to Bakersfield, CA - there’s a lot of fat folks there for some reason - everyone was gawping at her; she was 5’ 11”, somewhat on the slim side, wearing Chanel sunglasses.

They must’ve thought she was a movie star or something - it certainly pampered her ego. :)

325 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 9:34:22am

re: #301 Pie-onist Overlord

Each one will drive his own big rig.

Each rig will have 10 motorcycles in the back. And each motorcycle will carry four protesters each?
//

326 iossarian  May 14, 2014 9:34:37am

re: #319 Pie-onist Overlord

I remember back in the day somebody telling me DON’T USE THAT CAPITALIST RUNNING DOG MICROSOFT, SWITCH TO LINUX!!!! and I said what about a word processor?

HURR HURR WHO NEEDS MS WORD WE HAVE VI!!!!!!

I have to say that in modern office productivity software, MS is streets ahead of OpenOffice, and I’m not really aware of any serious alternatives (KOffice and stuff like Gnumeric don’t really get there).

But they’re only there because they were pushed. Mid-90s versions of Office were balls. They’ve actually made huge progress.

327 Varek Raith  May 14, 2014 9:34:49am

Notepad ++ ftw.

328 Sergey Romanov  May 14, 2014 9:35:00am

Linux-schminux. Android-schmandroid. MS rulz!

/:P

329 Dr. Matt  May 14, 2014 9:36:24am

10 to 30 million “patriots” trying to get into DC….on a Friday. Yeah, please proceed.

330 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 9:36:43am

re: #310 palomino

Pretty disheartening when old pundits like Will and Krauthammer dismiss global warming out of hand. For fuck’s sake, Krauthammer is an M.D., but on global warming he talks like a guy who never heard of the scientific method.

Either way, when very old political commentators tells you not to worry about AGW, you have to take it with a grain of salt. In addition to their scientific blinders, neither Will nor Krauthammer is particularly good at math (witness their predictions of huge Romney landslides in 2012). Still, both guys know their own ages and can do simple arithmetic. It’s very easy to ignore a long term problem when you know you’ve probably only got 10-20 years max left on the planet.

It, however, also smacks of a complete lack of empathy for future generations. And I expect one or both have grandchildren that will be affected heavily by this.

331 Killgore Trout  May 14, 2014 9:39:20am

The Oh-So-Fragile Class of 2014 Needs to STFU And Listen to Some New Ideas

Another powerful woman has been discouraged from speaking on campus. Because God forbid my fellow, fragile millennials have their ears damaged by words with which they don’t agree.

332 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 9:39:21am
333 Varek Raith  May 14, 2014 9:41:37am

re: #331 Killgore Trout

Lol, what new ideas?
Trololol.

334 GunstarGreen  May 14, 2014 9:43:02am

re: #321 klys

Because it is the nature of software controlling several hundreds of thousands of dollars of scientific hardware to never actually get updated, I learned vi in grad school for editing the text files associated with the data collection for samples.

Seriously.

I currently work for a large company that deals with a lot of scientific data.

It is the year 2014 and we still have a couple of VAX units in our production environment.

I do a lot of my coding in vi. When not doing it natively on a *nix box, I use Notepad++. IDEs are for people who want to solve a 10kb problem with a 100mb solution.

335 Killgore Trout  May 14, 2014 9:43:08am

OMG Drones!
Iran’s Drone War in Syria

Iran has been providing Syria’s regime with drones—some of them inspired by American technology—and they’re already playing a significant role in keeping Bashar Assad in power. On Sunday, Tehran announced it had replicated a top-of-the-line U.S. drone it claimed it captured in 2011, raising the possibility it will send still more sophisticated aerial robots into the skies over Damascus.

336 iossarian  May 14, 2014 9:43:37am

re: #331 Killgore Trout

The Oh-So-Fragile Class of 2014 Needs to STFU And Listen to Some New Ideas

That article’s headline is surprisingly accurate: the author’s point is essentially that kids shouldn’t protest political figures they disagree with because STFU that’s why.

Very convincingly argued I must say.

337 William Barnett-Lewis  May 14, 2014 9:44:23am

re: #334 GunstarGreen

VAXEN!!! VMS or Unix? Either way, I’ve got a soft spot for the old beasties.

338 Killgore Trout  May 14, 2014 9:44:53am

re: #333 Varek Raith

Lol, what new ideas?
Trololol.

One of the indicators of extremism is the inability to see any value in your opponents. It results in a dehumanized enemy.

339 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 9:45:08am

re: #317 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I liked WP, too. I resisted using Word for years until there was no escaping the Microsoft hegemony.

It’s been almost 20 yrs since I set foot in an office, so long ago no one had an internet connection.

The only access we had was either programs like WP or spread sheet programs or a company database (and that was usually restricted to your particular area).

When a couple of Brits came over to the Barclays division I worked at in the ’80s, they actually seemed more educated about systems at the time and seemed amused that we were using PCs and not Macs. I went to work for a law firm after that which did use Macs—no one was allowed to touch the server except the young atty who set up the system.

340 Varek Raith  May 14, 2014 9:45:47am

re: #338 Killgore Trout

One of the indicators of extremism is the inability to see any value in your opponents. It results in a dehumanized enemy.

Try harder.
What new ideas?

341 iossarian  May 14, 2014 9:45:48am

re: #338 Killgore Trout

One of the indicators of extremism is the inability to see any value in your opponents. It results in a dehumanized enemy.

Hey, KT, why don’t you STFU and listen to some new ideas for a while? *

* Just seeing if that “argument” has any currency with you, or whether you’re “fragile”.

342 William Barnett-Lewis  May 14, 2014 9:45:56am

re: #333 Varek Raith

Lol, what new ideas?
Trololol.

Please don’t feed the Troll.

343 Killgore Trout  May 14, 2014 9:47:59am

I don’t care for Vox’s choice of headlines but this is a really good article
9 questions about Nigeria you were too embarrassed to ask

344 Varek Raith  May 14, 2014 9:48:10am

I don’t see Rice as any less human than myself.
She did, however, greatly help lie us in to a war.
Why would anyone want to hear her advice?

345 lawhawk  May 14, 2014 9:49:08am

re: #335 Killgore Trout

And yet any kind of inspection of the photos purportedly of the new drone based on the one the US lost doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. It’s a mockup, which would show that they’ve managed to make a model. Not an operational aircraft with any kind of capabilities to do what they’re saying.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Assad’s forces were using small UAVs to try and figure out where the rebels are in Syria and that some are Iranian in origin, but it doesn’t appear that they’ve got the capabilities to fire munitions from those platforms).

346 Sergey Romanov  May 14, 2014 9:49:22am

re: #344 Varek Raith

Not to mention her involvement with torture.

347 Varek Raith  May 14, 2014 9:49:29am

re: #342 William Barnett-Lewis

Youtube Video

348 Dr. Matt  May 14, 2014 9:51:20am

re: #338 Killgore Trout

One of the indicators of extremism is the inability to see any value in your opponents. It results in a dehumanized enemy.

So that explains the RWNJ outrage and hissy fit when Michelle Obama was disinvited from giving a high school commencement speech. Or the outrage and hissy fit from the RWNJs who refused to send their kids to school when President Obama was scheduled to give a speech to school student across the country. I can fucking.continue.all.fucking.day.long

349 Sergey Romanov  May 14, 2014 9:51:28am

Youtube Video

350 klys  May 14, 2014 9:53:06am

re: #344 Varek Raith

I don’t see Rice as any less human than myself.
She did, however, greatly help lie us in to a war.
Why would anyone want to hear her advice?

You forget. The rest of us have no right to free speech if it might be construed as outrage and impact someone else’s free speech. Or something.

Free speech is not the same thing as a right to a platform from which to speak, which is something I think gets forgotten a lot. Perhaps deliberately, because it makes better outrage that way.

I’m kind of tired of the outrage.

351 Killgore Trout  May 14, 2014 9:53:49am

re: #345 lawhawk

And yet any kind of inspection of the photos purportedly of the new drone based on the one the US lost doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. It’s a mockup, which would show that they’ve managed to make a model. Not an operational aircraft with any kind of capabilities to do what they’re saying.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Assad’s forces were using small UAVs to try and figure out where the rebels are in Syria and that some are Iranian in origin, but it doesn’t appear that they’ve got the capabilities to fire munitions from those platforms).

They don’t appear to be weaponized yet but this does give the Iranians a testing field and valuable operational experience. Could become a more serious problem when they start sharing that experience with Hezbollah and Hamas.

352 Varek Raith  May 14, 2014 9:54:07am

re: #348 Dr. Matt

So that explains the RWNJ outrage and hissy fit when Michelle Obama was disinvited from giving a high school commencement speech. Or the outrage and hissy fit from the RWNJs who refused to send their kids to school when President Obama was scheduled to give a speech to school student across the country. I can fucking.continue.all.fucking.day.long

I don’t recall KT making a big stink about that.

353 Killgore Trout  May 14, 2014 9:54:47am

re: #348 Dr. Matt

So that explains the RWNJ outrage and hissy fit when Michelle Obama was disinvited from giving a high school commencement speech. Or the outrage and hissy fit from the RWNJs who refused to send their kids to school when President Obama was scheduled to give a speech to school student across the country. I can fucking.continue.all.fucking.day.long

And you should. Intolerance is shitty and deserves exposure.

354 dog philosopher  May 14, 2014 9:54:48am

re: #338 Killgore Trout

One of the indicators of extremism is the inability to see any value in your opponents. It results in a dehumanized enemy.

don’t tell me that you are for freedom of speech when you have been repeatedly criticizing the students for exercising their right to protest. and now here you are demonizing them as “extremists”

sorry to be so harsh but the hypocrisy has been grating on my nerves

355 Dr. Matt  May 14, 2014 9:56:50am
356 Killgore Trout  May 14, 2014 9:57:23am

re: #354 dog philosopher

don’t tell me that you are for freedom of speech when you have been repeatedly criticizing the students for exercising their right to protest. and now here you are demonizing them as “extremists”

sorry to be so harsh but the hypocrisy has been grating on my nerves

I didn’t oppose their freedom of speech, I opposed their assaulting police, vandalizing businesses, thrashing public parks, their plots to firebomb Obama’s campaign office and blow up a bridge. None of those are categorized as free speech.

357 b.d.  May 14, 2014 9:57:52am

re: #343 Killgore Trout

I don’t care for Vox’s choice of headlines but this is a really good article
9 questions about Nigeria you were too embarrassed to ask

I have enjoyed some of Vox’s stuff but I can’t see how they’ll ever be profitable with their brand of Websplaining.

358 iossarian  May 14, 2014 9:58:08am

re: #350 klys

You forget. The rest of us have no right to free speech if it might be construed as outrage and impact someone else’s free speech. Or something.

I found out quite recently that during the Montgomery Bus Boycotts, MLK (and others) were charged under an anti-boycott law that had apparently been passed earlier in Alabama to prevent mining strikes.

Seems opposition to boycotts has a long and glorious history of which I was previously unaware!

359 iossarian  May 14, 2014 9:58:24am

re: #356 Killgore Trout

I didn’t oppose their freedom of speech, I opposed their assaulting police, vandalizing businesses, thrashing public parks, their plots to firebomb Obama’s campaign office and blow up a bridge. None of those are categorized as free speech.

Does pepper spray count?

360 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 9:58:28am

re: #317 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I liked WP, too. I resisted using Word for years until there was no escaping the Microsoft hegemony.

I miss the liner notes you could access in WP.

361 calochortus  May 14, 2014 9:59:35am

re: #344 Varek Raith

I don’t see Rice as any less human than myself.
She did, however, greatly help lie us in to a war.
Why would anyone want to hear her advice?

Then what better place for her to speak than at a graduation? No one is paying any attention at all. The kids are thinking about other things and the parents are jockeying for position with their cameras for when the kids pick up their diplomas…

362 klys  May 14, 2014 9:59:36am

re: #356 Killgore Trout

I didn’t oppose their freedom of speech, I opposed their assaulting police, vandalizing businesses, thrashing public parks, their plots to firebomb Obama’s campaign office and blow up a bridge. None of those are categorized as free speech.

Man, I was unaware that any of that happened to cause these commencement speakers to withdraw.

363 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 9:59:56am

re: #324 Dr Lizardo

If that’s the skinniest person in Houston, I’d probably look positively emaciated if I went there.

Like when my Czech ex-wife and I went to Bakersfield, CA - there’s a lot of fat folks there for some reason - everyone was gawping at her; she was 5’ 11”, somewhat on the slim side, wearing Chanel sunglasses.

They must’ve thought she was a movie star or something - it certainly pampered her ego. :)

It’s all the carbs!

cheap and easy food

364 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 9:59:57am

I always see the humanity of my “enemies” even if I disagree with every position they take. As a group, though, I will argue with them at every turn for any of their reactionary views, but I’m not going to allow it to sour a friendship—there are enough other factors that can do that, such as their ethics or behavior. Public figures, however, put themselves out there, and I will rail against them if I disagree.

365 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:01:11am

re: #337 William Barnett-Lewis

VAXEN!!! VMS or Unix? Either way, I’ve got a soft spot for the old beasties.

anti-Vaxen!

366 iossarian  May 14, 2014 10:01:35am

re: #365 FemNaziBitch

anti-Vaxen!

The circle is complete.

BBL

367 wrenchwench  May 14, 2014 10:02:09am

re: #358 iossarian

I found out quite recently that during the Montgomery Bus Boycotts, MLK (and others) were charged under an anti-boycott law that had apparently been passed earlier in Alabama to prevent mining strikes.

Seems opposition to boycotts has a long and glorious history of which I was previously unaware!

If it’s effective there will be opposition. If it’s really effective it will be made illegal.

368 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 10:02:49am

Drones!

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on kidnapped Nigerian schoolgirls: ‘We are now providing unmanned reconnaissance surveillance over Nigeria’ - @margbrennan
End of alert

US not currently considering deployment of military personnel to find kidnapped Nigerian girls, White House spokesman Jay Carney says - @jbendery
End of alert

369 NJDhockeyfan  May 14, 2014 10:05:04am

A mother posts a security video of her child getting viciously attacked by the neighbor’s dog. As the dog starts to drag the kid across the front yard the family cat immediately comes to the rescue…

Youtube Video

A major lawsuit seems to be the next logical step in this story.

370 Sergey Romanov  May 14, 2014 10:05:36am

Image: BnljEc9IQAAMlZR.jpg

371 Sergey Romanov  May 14, 2014 10:06:13am

Jungian synchronicity ;)

372 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 14, 2014 10:06:30am

re: #355 Dr. Matt

There’s a 70% chance of severe thunderstorms in DC on Friday. #OperationAmericanSpring + Mobility Scooters = Hilarity Ensues.

Obama cloud seeding!

373 BeenHereAwhile  May 14, 2014 10:06:33am

re: #292 palomino

Condi managed to avoid the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld stench even though she was in the admin. in top positions for the full 8 years. Skillful on her part, if nothing else.

Condi learned political tactics and strategy in the university system.

Successfully obtaining a PhD is one of the most political things one can do.

374 William Barnett-Lewis  May 14, 2014 10:07:35am

re: #367 wrenchwench

If it’s effective there will be opposition. If it’s really effective it will be made illegal.

And that is why KT hates them so much.

375 calochortus  May 14, 2014 10:07:41am

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

Sounds to me like it shoulda been the creepy dads with their ‘impure thoughts’ kicked out, not her.

Let’s pretend for a moment that the dads weren’t having impure thoughts and were strictly concerned for their sons’ moral welfare. Wasn’t this the perfect teachable moment for them?
You’re not going to prevent adolescent males from having impure thoughts. You’re just not. So, what they need to learn is how to deal with those thoughts and the current object of them.
The answer is not to lock up the temptresses, but learn the self control the Right is always nattering on about.

376 Killgore Trout  May 14, 2014 10:08:22am

re: #357 b.d.

I have enjoyed some of Vox’s stuff but I can’t see how they’ll ever be profitable with their brand of Websplaining.

Yeah. it’s doubtful. It’s a trendy model right now but I like the value added content in journalism. I hope the concept continues to evolve. The first thing they need to do is ditch the headlines like “everything you need to know about X”.

377 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 10:08:55am

I will never understand women like this.

Peru lawyer: jailed Van der Sloot to be a father

hosted.ap.org

“Maximo Altez told The Associated Press on Wednesday that the 26-year-old Dutchman and his Peruvian fiance have nearly completed legal arrangements to wed. The future Mrs. van der Sloot is five months pregnant with a boy, he said.

“Altez has said van der Sloot’s met 22-year-old Leydi Figueroa Uceda while she was selling goods inside Lima’s Piedras Gordas prison, where the two are to be married on an as-yet undetermined date.

(snip)

“Once his sentence ends, he is to be extradited to the United States to face trial on charges he extorted and defrauded Holloway’s mother shortly before traveling to Peru in 2010.”

Van der Sloot was sentenced to 28 yrs for the killing of 21 yr old Peruvian student Stephany Flores who he met in a casino.

378 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:09:07am

re: #370 Sergey Romanov

Image: BnljEc9IQAAMlZR.jpg

Dogs know who is in charge.

Humans seem to be the one with the problem.

379 Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2014 10:09:33am

re: #372 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Obama cloud seeding!

OBAMA WILL UZE TEH WETHER KONTROL MASHEEN IN TEH WHITE HOUSE TO PREVENT THE OVERTHRO OF HIZ TIERANNIE!11!

380 Killgore Trout  May 14, 2014 10:09:50am

re: #368 Justanotherhuman

Drones!

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on kidnapped Nigerian schoolgirls: ‘We are now providing unmanned reconnaissance surveillance over Nigeria’ - @margbrennan
End of alert

US not currently considering deployment of military personnel to find kidnapped Nigerian girls, White House spokesman Jay Carney says - @jbendery
End of alert

There will be outrage!

381 William Barnett-Lewis  May 14, 2014 10:10:01am

re: #369 NJDhockeyfan

A mother posts a security video of her child getting viciously attacked by the neighbor’s dog. As the dog starts to drag the kid across the front yard the family cat immediately comes to the rescue…

[Embedded content]

Video

A major lawsuit seems to be the next logical step in this story.

Hella great cat. Doggie now knows not to fuck with the Feline Overlord’s pet boy.

And yes, legal representation is very much indicated.

382 BeenHereAwhile  May 14, 2014 10:10:55am

re: #306 Pie-onist Overlord

VI U WIMPS!!!!!!

Heh!

383 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:11:15am

re: #373 BeenHereAwhile

Condi learned political tactics and strategy in the university system.

Successfully obtaining a PhD is one of the most political things one can do.

I admire her a lot.

After seeing her at the book talk for her latest book, I admire her even more.

She just has that “something”.

My girlfriend, who is in no way a fan of the Bush administration, said afterward that she would not want to be on the oppossing side in any negotiations with Dr. Rice.

384 Shiplord Kirel  May 14, 2014 10:11:40am

re: #330 Feline Fearless Leader

It, however, also smacks of a complete lack of empathy for future generations. And I expect one or both have grandchildren that will be affected heavily by this.

This may explain why I have not joined so many seniors in supporting the GOP, that and still having some capacity for rational thought.
I think I might well live another 40 years (to age 105). This could be over-optimistic to say the least, but there is no reason to think it is impossible. It is at least reasonable to plan accordingly. Krauthammer and Will may be glad to get it over with, but I really want to hang around to see what happens. That is, I remain curious and engaged and we know from much research that this kind of outlook is a factor in long life. 3 of my 14 immediate antecedents (parents, grandparents, and great grandparents) lived beyond 100 and my mother is still alive and active at age 86. Beyond that, we don’t know what life extending discoveries and innovations science may provide in the next few decades.

385 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:11:40am

re: #375 calochortus

Let’s pretend for a moment that the dads weren’t having impure thoughts and were strictly concerned for their sons’ moral welfare. Wasn’t this the perfect teachable moment for them?
You’re not going to prevent adolescent males from having impure thoughts. You’re just not. So, what they need to learn is how to deal with those thoughts and the current object of them.
The answer is not to lock up the temptresses, but learn the self control the Right is always nattering on about.

Men have such low opinions of themselves.

sad, really.

386 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:12:15am

re: #377 Justanotherhuman

I will never understand women like this.

Peru lawyer: jailed Van der Sloot to be a father

hosted.ap.org

“Maximo Altez told The Associated Press on Wednesday that the 26-year-old Dutchman and his Peruvian fiance have nearly completed legal arrangements to wed. The future Mrs. van der Sloot is five months pregnant with a boy, he said.

“Altez has said van der Sloot’s met 22-year-old Leydi Figueroa Uceda while she was selling goods inside Lima’s Piedras Gordas prison, where the two are to be married on an as-yet undetermined date.

(snip)

“Once his sentence ends, he is to be extradited to the United States to face trial on charges he extorted and defrauded Holloway’s mother shortly before traveling to Peru in 2010.”

Van der Sloot was sentenced to 28 yrs for the killing of 21 yr old Peruvian student Stephany Flores who he met in a casino.

The man is a predator. And seemingly a good one.

387 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2014 10:13:13am

This is cool.

388 Rightwingconspirator  May 14, 2014 10:13:43am

Welp, the US Post Office has failed again. By lying to our customers, false attempts to deliver “Company Not Open” in the tracking system. Time stamped 10:00am, we are open from 8:00am until 4 or 5.

Since this was done two days in a row I got a very concerned customer wondering why we are closed so much. And boy do I get the runaround/slow walk on my complaints. They seem to lose the complaint every time. Registered mail can be two weeks from Arizona. First class letters are often far more days coast to coast than they claim it should be.

What accountability?

Now the boss has ordered a bulletin be sent to our entire list. The USPO is no longer considered a responsible vendor for insured packages. We prefer another method of payment than a check in the mail and will now offer small discounts/incentives to avoid the USPO. Just can’t let them damage the reputation of the company like that.

389 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:13:49am

re: #384 Shiplord Kirel

This may explain why I have not joined so many seniors in supporting the GOP, that and still having some capacity for rational thought.
I think I might well live another 40 years (to age 105). This could be over-optimistic to say the least, but there is no reason to think it is impossible. It is at least reasonable to plan accordingly. Krauthammer and Will may be glad to get it over with, but I really want to hang around to see what happens. That is, I remain curious and engaged and we know from much research that this kind of outlook is a factor in long life. 3 of my 14 immediate antecedents (parents, grandparents, and great grandparents) lived beyond 100 and my mother is still alive and active at age 86. Beyond that, we don’t know what life extending discoveries and innovations science may provide in the next few decades.

I think seniors have seen so many paradigms shattered in their life-time that this last bastion of sanity (in their minds) concerning sex and such is just more than many of them can take.

Of course, they have very myopic vision. Seemingly unable to remember their own actions during their youth.

390 Killgore Trout  May 14, 2014 10:13:51am

re: #383 FemNaziBitch

I admire her a lot.

After seeing her at the book talk for her latest book, I admire her even more.

She just has that “something”.

My girlfriend, who is in no way a fan of the Bush administration, said afterward that she would not want to be on the oppossing side in any negotiations with Dr. Rice.

I have a soft spot for her too.

391 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2014 10:14:53am

This is not so cool.

392 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:17:12am
393 Dr. Matt  May 14, 2014 10:17:52am

FYI. The weather service is now predicting a 100% chance of rain with potential for heavy rainfall in DC on Friday.

For the anti-science right, FYI: ‘100%’ means IT WILL rain.

394 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 10:18:03am

re: #392 FemNaziBitch

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But we can’t increase the minimum wage or something.

395 NJDhockeyfan  May 14, 2014 10:18:03am

re: #391 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is not so cool.

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Yes, I got a ‘Sever Thunderstorm Watch’ pop up on my phone earlier. It’s going to be one helluva day today.

396 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:18:16am
397 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 10:18:26am

re: #393 Dr. Matt

FYI. The weather service is now predicting a 100% chance of rain with potential for heavy rainfall in DC on Friday.

For the anti-science right, FYI: ‘100%’ means IT WILL rain.

Agh more rain.

398 dog philosopher  May 14, 2014 10:18:42am

re: #356 Killgore Trout

I didn’t oppose their freedom of speech, I opposed their assaulting police, vandalizing businesses, thrashing public parks, their plots to firebomb Obama’s campaign office and blow up a bridge. None of those are categorized as free speech.

now you are really pissing me off

don’t change the subject: you were complaining about students protesting condi’s commencement speech and getting her disinvited, and mischaracterizing this as a restriction of freedom of speech

so own up to your own arguments and don’t try to pull any of this switching the point crap on me

399 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:19:44am

How far, exactly, can that go? Human sacrifice?

400 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2014 10:20:14am

dammit

401 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 10:20:20am

re: #398 dog philosopher

now you are really pissing me off

don’t change the subject: you were complaining about students protesting condi’s commencement speech and getting her disinvited, and mischaracterizing this as a restriction of freedom of speech

so own up to your own arguments and don’t try to pull any of this switching the point crap on me

He does that to all of us.

402 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 10:20:50am

re: #399 FemNaziBitch

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How far, exactly, can that go? Human sacrifice?

Sex with goats?

403 Sergey Romanov  May 14, 2014 10:21:26am

re: #399 FemNaziBitch

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How far, exactly, can that go? Human sacrifice?

So devil-worshippers have a right to perform human sacrifice?

404 Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2014 10:21:26am

re: #399 FemNaziBitch

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How far, exactly, can that go? Human sacrifice?

Quetzalcoatl demands the blood of 1,000 Tea Partiers!!

*headdesk*

405 Sergey Romanov  May 14, 2014 10:22:23am

re: #399 FemNaziBitch

Heh, didn’t notice your comment under the tweet.

406 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 10:22:36am

Sony Pictures buys films rights to Glenn Greenwald book on Edward Snowden - @nytmedia
nytimes.com

Rolling in the dough now, aren’t you, you pathetic liar?

407 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 10:22:39am

re: #399 FemNaziBitch

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How far, exactly, can that go? Human sacrifice?

And this guy is the front runner for the spot too not a fringe candidate either.

408 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 10:23:37am

re: #406 Justanotherhuman

Sony Pictures buys films rights to Glenn Greenwald book on Edward Snowden - @nytmedia
Read more on nytimes.com

Rolling in the dough now, aren’t you, you pathetic liar?

Starring Pee Wee Herman as Glenn Greenwald!

409 Shiplord Kirel  May 14, 2014 10:23:54am

re: #404 Dr Lizardo

Quetzalcoatl demands the blood of 1,000 Tea Partiers!!

*headdesk*

Only after the Acolytes of Cthulhu invite them to lunch.

410 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:24:00am
To watch even a day of Fox News - the anger, the bombast, the virulent paranoid streak, the unending appeals to white resentment, the reporting that’s held to the same standard of evidence as a late-­October attack ad - is to see a refraction of its founder, one of the most skilled and fearsome operatives in the history of the Republican Party. As a political consultant, Ailes repackaged Richard Nixon for television in 1968, papered over Ronald Reagan’s budding Alzheimer’s in 1984, shamelessly stoked racial fears to elect George H.W. Bush in 1988, and waged a secret campaign on behalf of Big Tobacco to derail health care reform in 1993. “He was the premier guy in the business,” says former Reagan campaign manager Ed Rollins. “He was our Michelangelo.”

Pages Post link

411 EPR-radar  May 14, 2014 10:24:32am

re: #407 HappyWarrior

And this guy is the front runner for the spot too not a fringe candidate either.

The next GOP senator from Nebraska is likely to be this proud member of the American Taliban.

412 William Barnett-Lewis  May 14, 2014 10:25:33am

re: #388 Rightwingconspirator

Not doubting your experience, it’s just that mine has always been the opposite. UPS & FedEx? Drop kicked fragile packages. Adult signature required? Leave it on the stoop without even knocking. Lost things that are claimed to have been delivered. And god help you if you actually need to make an insurance claim.

OTOH, I’ve never had a problem with USPS. It does make me wonder if there are regional differences in their management & quality control that could be impacting this.

413 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 10:25:51am

re: #411 EPR-radar

The next GOP senator from Nebraska is likely to be this proud member of the American Taliban.

Yep. Disturbing as hell. Sick of these assholes thinking their religious beliefs justify anything.

414 EPR-radar  May 14, 2014 10:26:45am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Yep. Disturbing as hell. Sick of these assholes thinking their religious beliefs justify anything.

A perfect example of the new GOP in action: A party of rich sociopaths organizing the paranoid, willfully stupid and evil.

415 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 10:27:07am

re: #414 EPR-radar

A perfect example of the new GOP in action: A party of rich sociopaths organizing the paranoid, willfully stupid and evil.

Yep.

416 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 10:27:17am

re: #399 FemNaziBitch

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How far, exactly, can that go? Human sacrifice?

Sasse: Dutch and North German: ethnic name for a Saxon. Or American reactionary.

re: #408 Pie-onist Overlord

Starring Pee Wee Herman as Glenn Greenwald!

And no more freebies for the public, evidently.

brownpapertickets.com

417 Pie-onist Overlord  May 14, 2014 10:28:28am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Yep. Disturbing as hell. Sick of these assholes thinking their religious beliefs justify anything.

Imagine the wingnuts eruption if a Muslim was saying something like that.

418 Dr. Matt  May 14, 2014 10:28:29am

re: #410 FemNaziBitch

Pages Post link

Ugh. From the Rolling Stone article:

Nina • 7 months ago
What is worse is CNN and CNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC all ignoring some really big stories such as a President using the IRS to target political foes and rigging an election. A President illegally arming terrorists from Benghazi and then covering up the true reason for Americans killed in Benghazi. Or the President breaking laws whenever he chooses.

If Rolling Stone wants to be fair, go tackle the big stories and stop with the attack on the one news channel that doesn’t play liberal ball.

419 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2014 10:28:39am

re: #412 William Barnett-Lewis

Not doubting your experience, it’s just that mine has always been the opposite. UPS & FedEx? Drop kicked fragile packages. Adult signature required? Leave it on the stoop without even knocking. Lost things that are claimed to have been delivered. And god help you if you actually need to make an insurance claim.

OTOH, I’ve never had a problem with USPS. It does make me wonder if there are regional differences in their management & quality control that could be impacting this.

Same here. I’ve had no problems ever with USPS.
FedEx, however, I hate with the passion of a million burning suns because they are constantly claiming “failed attempted delivery” when I know they never even tried.

420 dog philosopher  May 14, 2014 10:28:54am

re: #348 Dr. Matt

So that explains the RWNJ outrage and hissy fit when Michelle Obama was disinvited from giving a high school commencement speech. Or the outrage and hissy fit from the RWNJs who refused to send their kids to school when President Obama was scheduled to give a speech to school student across the country. I can fucking.continue.all.fucking.day.long

and these rwnjs have a perfect constitutionally protected right to protest any speech they want, no matter how much i might think that they are teh morans

421 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 10:29:54am

re: #417 Pie-onist Overlord

Imagine the wingnuts eruption if a Muslim was saying something like that.

Calls for mass imprisonment of all Muslims I’m sure. Oh wait, some of them already want that.

422 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:30:40am
423 Justanotherhuman  May 14, 2014 10:31:18am

Go away; you have no standing.

Federal judge rules National Organization for Marriage cannot defend Oregon’s gay marriage ban - @AP
End of alert

424 Dr. Matt  May 14, 2014 10:31:37am

re: #399 FemNaziBitch

How far, exactly, can that go? Human sacrifice?

So, he’s pretty much supporting Sharia Law since a lot of OT biblical law overlaps with the Koran.

425 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:35:06am
426 Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2014 10:35:19am

re: #417 Pie-onist Overlord

Imagine the wingnuts eruption if a Muslim was saying something like that.

The wingnuts would go apeshit; however, there may be one or two smarter-than-average wingnuts who might realize that what Sasse is proposing would work to the advantage of Muslim radicals and extremists - after all, let’s Sasse’s idea became law - what’s to prevent a father who ‘honor-killed’ his 15-year old daughter because she was dating a non-Muslim from being acquitted on the basis of ‘religious freedom’?

As always, the RWNJ’s aren’t thinking things through - what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, after all. They may well believe that such things apply only to them - but that’s not how it works, is it? Like the LA legislator who was flabbergasted to discover that Muslims can open private school with taxpayer funding; she foolishly believed that such a law applied only to Christians.

Silly teabaggers.

427 HappyWarrior  May 14, 2014 10:37:50am

re: #426 Dr Lizardo

The wingnuts would go apeshit; however, there may be one or two smarter-than-average wingnuts who might realize that what Sasse is proposing would work to the advantage of Muslim radicals and extremists - after all, let’s Sasse’s idea became law - what’s to prevent a father who ‘honor-killed’ his 15-year old daughter because she was dating a non-Muslim from being acquitted on the basis of ‘religious freedom’?

As always, the RWNJ’s aren’t thinking things through - what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, after all. They may well believe that such things apply only to them - but that’s not how it works, is it? Like the LA legislator who was flabbergasted to discover that Muslims can open private school with taxpayer funding; she foolishly believed that such a law applied only to Christians.

Silly teabaggers.

That’s exactly what it is-they think the laws apply only to them. So when Sasse says he believes that anything done in the name of religion shouldn’t be a crime, he means Christians. It’s not unlike the Virginia nutcase who was aghast that other religions could have their prayers open ceremony too. They really do feel that our country’s laws apply to Christians only.

428 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:37:50am

re: #418 Dr. Matt

Ugh. From the Rolling Stone article:

POTUS using the IRS to target political foes is rumored with every administration.

AS are suicides, and deaths of people close to the administration & selling of plots at Arlington.

Can you think of any others?

429 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:39:51am

re: #405 Sergey Romanov

Heh, didn’t notice your comment under the tweet.

I stealthily sneek those in sometimes!

430 JustMark  May 14, 2014 10:40:46am

re: #141 GunstarGreen

But it is discrimination against Christians — because in Fischer’s mind, and the mind of a significantly large chunk of the American population, Christian Rule (see also: Christ-based Sharia) is their right because Skydad says so.

They continue to hold this belief because we, as a nation, refuse to disabuse them of it. We refuse to sanction them in any meaningful way, we refuse to rebuke them in any meaningful way, we refuse to even call them loons in any official capacity. We continue to allow their preposterous laws to remain on the books (dry counties, sunday sales, gay marriage bans, etc.) until such time as someone gets personally affected enough to raise a stink about it to the courts.

When you tolerate intolerance, intolerance gets a nice, big head. And every time they screech about this being “discrimination against Christians”, they are emboldened when they are not told, by a ranking authority and in no uncertain terms, “Shut the hell up you crazy sack of shit.”

So, maybe we need a movement to ferret out laws based solely on the Bible and get them repealed, one at a time. Even the seemingly benign ones.

431 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:40:49am

re: #403 Sergey Romanov

So devil-worshippers have a right to perform human sacrifice?

There was some blurb the other day about a Satanist wanting to lead a prayer at a town meeting (or something).

Yeah, Religious Whackos just don’t look beyond their noses do they?

432 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:41:34am

Is there some Mark Twain quote or other addage that basically says:

If you surround yourself with the choir, you’ll only hear the song you sing.

?

433 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:42:03am

re: #432 FemNaziBitch

Is there some Mark Twain quote or other addage that basically says:

If you surround yourself with the choir, you’ll only hear the song you sing.

?

Or do I need to make a graphic that says that?

434 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:42:58am

I think I’ll make a graphic that has a circle with the line thru it and in the center will be the word: Theocracy.

435 Sinistershade  May 14, 2014 10:43:25am

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

The Republican Party is just evil, a straight up fucking sociopathic horror show.

I love that turn of phrase.

Revanchist pantload

is pretty nice, too.

436 dog philosopher  May 14, 2014 10:43:36am

re: #403 Sergey Romanov

So devil-worshippers have a right to perform human sacrifice?

they’re not devil worshippers!!! they’re worshiping melqart!!!

437 Sergey Romanov  May 14, 2014 10:45:09am

re: #436 dog philosopher

they’re not devil worshippers!!! they’re worshiping melqart!!!

Melqart not Jesus? Devil.

438 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:45:18am

I’ve been noticing that a lot of the Whackos have this strange view of themselves. They have lived and suffered by the rules and get really pissed that many now what to change the rules.

It’s like they want everyone to suffer like they did.

439 lawhawk  May 14, 2014 10:45:25am

re: #428 FemNaziBitch

Carrying on illegal wars. Oppressing the people. Supporting Israel too much. Insufficiently supporting Israel. Etc.

440 Mattand  May 14, 2014 10:46:13am

re: #353 Killgore Trout

And you should. Intolerance is shitty and deserves exposure.

Exactly. People like Brendan Eich and Donald Sterling. You know, the homophobe and racist you’ve been concern trolling about.

441 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 14, 2014 10:46:19am

re: #417 Pie-onist Overlord

Imagine the wingnuts eruption if a Muslim was saying something like that.

No because America is a Christian Nation so Shut Up and Pray.

/

442 calochortus  May 14, 2014 10:48:14am

re: #438 FemNaziBitch

I’ve been noticing that a lot of the Whackos have this strange view of themselves. They have lived and suffered by the rules and get really pissed that many now what to change the rules.

It’s like they want everyone to suffer like they did.

They do. It’s like a fraternity hazing rite. You show you’re tough enough to take it and then you’re in the club and get to torture the next group of initiates. If you do away with the hazing, the last group to go through it basically suffered for nothing.

443 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:48:21am

They made another Godzilla movie?

why?

444 Rightwingconspirator  May 14, 2014 10:48:25am

re: #412 William Barnett-Lewis

Not doubting your experience, it’s just that mine has always been the opposite. UPS & FedEx? Drop kicked fragile packages. Adult signature required? Leave it on the stoop without even knocking. Lost things that are claimed to have been delivered. And god help you if you actually need to make an insurance claim.

OTOH, I’ve never had a problem with USPS. It does make me wonder if there are regional differences in their management & quality control that could be impacting this.

I’m pretty sure we have a local problem. Our situation and that of our neighbors is a constant flow of smallish high value packages. FedEx has this excellent program called Declared Value Exception. It’s tailored for the 90014 Jewelry district kinda thing.

My home service is great in the east SF valley. It’s the lying thing that gets us. Ongoing situation for about 3 years. I sense Union/management brinksmanship at work. Semi confirmed by our letter carrier. Next up for us-CIT payments. Phase out the old “check is in the mail” thing.

445 Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2014 10:50:03am

re: #443 FemNaziBitch

They made another Godzilla movie?

why?

To erase the memories of the 1998 Roland Emmerich turkey.

From what I’ve been reading, this one is actually quite good. I’m planning on going to see it tomorrow evening.

446 Sergey Romanov  May 14, 2014 10:50:06am

447 FemNaziBitch  May 14, 2014 10:50:48am

bbl

448 Rightwingconspirator  May 14, 2014 10:51:55am

re: #443 FemNaziBitch

They made another Godzilla movie?

why?

re: #445 Dr Lizardo

To erase the memories of the 1998 Roland Emmerich turkey.

From what I’ve been reading, this one is actually quite good. I’m planning on going to see it tomorrow evening.

Paged BTW :-)

449 Rightwingconspirator  May 14, 2014 10:56:07am

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

Same here. I’ve had no problems ever with USPS.
FedEx, however, I hate with the passion of a million burning suns because they are constantly claiming “failed attempted delivery” when I know they never even tried.

I think we are all the mercy of the last link in the chain. the USPO carrier, the Fedex delivery person. Must admit we are not thrilled with FedEx residential service, but that’s few of our packages.

Pro tip that works for us-make sure your phone number is in the label data so the driver or dispatcher can call you.

450 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2014 11:00:19am

re: #449 Rightwingconspirator

I think we are all the mercy of the last link in the chain. the USPO carrier, the Fedex delivery person. Must admit we are not thrilled with FedEx residential service, but that’s few of our packages.

Pro tip that works for us-make sure your phone number is in the label data so the driver or dispatcher can call you.

Absolutely spot on about the phone number on the package, works for every delivery person except for one particular FedEx driver. He is ALWAYS talking on his cellphone when he pulls up to my place, but for some reason he never has a signal to let me know if he isn’t going to show up.
Go figure…

451 Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2014 11:00:23am

re: #412 William Barnett-Lewis

Not doubting your experience, it’s just that mine has always been the opposite. UPS & FedEx? Drop kicked fragile packages. Adult signature required? Leave it on the stoop without even knocking. Lost things that are claimed to have been delivered. And god help you if you actually need to make an insurance claim.

OTOH, I’ve never had a problem with USPS. It does make me wonder if there are regional differences in their management & quality control that could be impacting this.

None of them are clean. My friend who runs a hot sauce company hates them all. High rates, and all of them lose packages, record false tracking data, and break properly packaged bottles in transit.* He cut back on doing mail order and concentrated on local sales and getting into super markets partially due to that even with the small profit margins on product. I think currently he is favoring USPS over UPS, but that could change again at any time.

* - Usually from boxes being dropped onto a corner from at least 3’ up. This has broken multiple bottles in boxes where the individual bottles were wrapped in bubble wrap and there was additional cushioning in the box.

452 CuriousLurker  May 14, 2014 11:04:46am

re: #430 JustMark

So, maybe we need a movement to ferret out laws based solely on the Bible and get them repealed, one at a time. Even the seemingly benign ones.

It won’t work. They already believe our laws are based on the Bible/Ten Commandments, so they’d just say that in order to do that you’d have to legalize murder, theft, etc.

453 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2014 11:06:29am

re: #451 Feline Fearless Leader

None of them are clean. My friend who runs a hot sauce company hates them all. High rates, and all of them lose packages, record false tracking data, and break properly packaged bottles in transit.* He cut back on doing mail order and concentrated on local sales and getting into super markets partially due to that even with the small profit margins on product. I think currently he is favoring USPS over UPS, but that could change again at any time.

* - Usually from boxes being dropped onto a corner from at least 3’ up. This has broken multiple bottles in boxes where the individual bottles were wrapped in bubble wrap and there was additional cushioning in the box.

MrBWS ordered a motorcycle lift a while back.
FedEx guy shows up. The package was torn to pieces and stuff was falling out. I made him send it back. The ebay seller wasn’t happy with FedEx but was relieved that I contacted him immediately to tell him why it was being sent back and thanked me for not publicly blaming him.

454 Eventual Carrion  May 14, 2014 11:17:20am

re: #391 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is not so cool.

[Embedded content]

Not cool at all, my little sister lives in Louisville.

455 CuriousLurker  May 14, 2014 11:23:13am

re: #350 klys

You forget. The rest of us have no right to free speech if it might be construed as outrage and impact someone else’s free speech. Or something.

Free speech is not the same thing as a right to a platform from which to speak, which is something I think gets forgotten a lot. Perhaps deliberately, because it makes better outrage that way.

I’m kind of tired of the outrage.

It’s the Libertarian/Snowden/Assange/Wikileaks approach to free speech—just as they think all information should be free, so should all speech. Those who are exercising their “right” to set the info/speech free should never, ever face any consequences for their actions. The only ones who are in the wrong are the oppressors trying to stifle the info/speech that is yearning to be free.

It’s very similar to the Christian Right’s claim that they’re being persecuted & oppressed because they’re not being allowed to persecute & oppress according to their standards. IOW, it’s some seriously juvenile bullshit.

456 JustMark  May 14, 2014 11:34:11am

re: #443 FemNaziBitch

Because, money.


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