Gov. Bobby Jindal Openly Advocates Sedition

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So, over the weekend this happened: a sitting Republican governor in a major state openly advocated sedition against the US government.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal on Saturday night accused President Barack Obama and other Democrats of waging wars against religious liberty and education and said that a rebellion is brewing in the U.S. with people ready for “a hostile takeover” of the nation’s capital.

Jindal spoke at the annual conference hosted by the Faith and Freedom Coalition, a group led by longtime Christian activist Ralph Reed. Organizers said more than 1,000 evangelical leaders attended the three-day gathering. Republican officials across the political spectrum concede that evangelical voters continue to play a critical role in GOP politics.

“I can sense right now a rebellion brewing amongst these United States,” Jindal said, “where people are ready for a hostile takeover of Washington, D.C., to preserve the American Dream for our children and grandchildren.”

This is why we’re seeing a pronounced uptick in violence committed by right wing “sovereign citizens” — because even the Republicans elected to our highest offices are spouting incredibly irresponsible evil bullshit like this.

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1 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 6:19:39pm
Republican governor in a major state

Said it before: I don’t consider Louisiana a “major” state unless they’re all major states.

2 darthstar  Jun 22, 2014 6:20:12pm

Bobby Jindal could go fuck himself if he had a dick.

3 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 6:21:22pm

It should be noted that “hostile takeover” ≠ “violent takeover”, in this case it doesn’t make enough of a difference to excuse Jindal’s word choices. The plain facts are that most people hearing his words will not draw such a distinction and his words are far too likely to cause violence.

I don’t think Gov. Jindal was actively trying to incite listeners, but he should know better than to talk as he did.

4 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 6:21:56pm

re: #1 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Said it before: I don’t consider Louisiana a “major” state unless they’re all major states.

What criteria to you use for that distinction?

5 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 6:22:16pm

re: #1 Rev_Arthur_Belling

For instance, Louisiana is dead-center in population for US states and territories. Their record on social issues (poverty, school achievement, etc.) is abysmal.

6 Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2014 6:22:49pm

I’m actually a bit stunned that a governor would make such a horribly irresponsible statement, in a place where there are nutjobs who might actually act on it.

This shit is fucked up.

7 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 6:23:06pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

What criteria to you use for that distinction?

See my #5, as an example. I’d rank quite a few states above La. when using the word “major.”

8 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 6:26:02pm

re: #5 Rev_Arthur_Belling

They are #24 in GDP and #31 in terms of area.

9 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 6:28:56pm

There are more people in the Chicago Metro area than there are in the entire state of Louisiana.

10 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 6:30:16pm

re: #9 Rev_Arthur_Belling

There are more people in the Chicago Metro area than there are in the entire state of Louisiana.

Point taken.

I guess Louisiana gets more credit than it deserves from containing New Orleans and for producing oil and sugar cane.

11 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 6:30:16pm

re: #1 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Said it before: I don’t consider Louisiana a “major” state unless they’re all major states.

Major Award.

12 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 6:31:04pm

None of this is meant to distract from the asinine nature of Jindal’s comments, just to point out that I think the term “major” is misused here, despite the awesomeness that is New Orleans, zydeco and NOLA jazz and that fine Cajun cooking (/SE Texas native).

13 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 6:31:47pm

I don’t give a damn if Louisiana is a major state or not. Bobby jindal is still a goddamn moron for saying these things and for inciting the nutters.

If anything happens as a result of his irresponsible speech here, I hope Jindal gets prosecuted for it.

14 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 6:33:09pm

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

Point taken.

I guess Louisiana gets more credit than it deserves from containing New Orleans and for producing oil and sugar cane.

I can see that, but its influence may be overstated because of the colorful nature of its politicians (see David Duke, Huey Long, Jindal, etc.). Journalists love a good story.

15 nines09  Jun 22, 2014 6:33:19pm

Jindal uses the rhetoric and the nuts do the rest. I seem to recall Bobby saying something about The GOP being the party of Stupid. Whoops. Seems he got the memo. Where is that jar with all the GOP souls in it? Hmmm.

16 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 6:34:13pm

Thing that gives me pause is thinking how this is gonna play out if they keep playing up 2016 as the year they “Take America Back”…only to lose yet again to a Democrat.

17 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 6:34:49pm

re: #15 nines09

Jindal uses the rhetoric and the nuts do the rest. I seem to recall Bobby saying something about The GOP being the party of Stupid. Whoops. Seems he got the memo. Where is that jar with all the GOP souls in it? Hmmm.

I also mentioned when this first came up that I believe Texas Gov. Rick Perry made similar statements about secession a while back. A lot of the right’s “states rights” rhetoric walks a fine line here.

18 b.d.  Jun 22, 2014 6:34:55pm

They’re are plenty of people in that guy’s own party who wanted to abandon Jindal’s major state after Katrina.

His memory is about as short as his _____.

19 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 6:34:55pm

re: #1 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Said it before: I don’t consider Louisiana a “major” state unless they’re all major states.

From what I understand the Port of New Orleans and the Oil and Gas Industries make it something of a Special Minor State.

20 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 6:35:47pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

I’m actually a bit stunned that a governor would make such a horribly irresponsible statement, in a place where there are nutjobs who might actually act on it.

This shit is fucked up.

Yes, from where I sit you’d never know they have a Whacko as Governor. But, then again, I’m on the edge of the French Quarter.

21 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 6:35:52pm

re: #19 FemNaziBitch

From what I understand the Port of New Orleans and the Oil and Gas Industries make it something of a Special Minor State.

Well, British Petroleum and GWB’s response to Katrina certainly brought it into national attention.

22 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 6:36:09pm

re: #13 Lidane

I don’t give a damn if Louisiana is a major state or not. Bobby jindal is still a goddamn moron for saying these things and for inciting the nutters.

If anything happens as a result of his irresponsible speech here, I hope Jindal gets prosecuted for it.

That would be impossible, I’m afraid. He’d claim that he meant ‘hostile takeover’ in terms of “throwing the bums out” on election day, not in terms of using armed force. To convict him, you’d have to prove he meant the latter not the former.

23 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 6:37:15pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

Thing that gives me pause is thinking how this is gonna play out if they keep playing up 2016 as the year they “Take America Back”…only to lose yet again to a Democrat.

Just imagine what these nutters will do if Hillary runs and wins in 2016.

Losing in 2008 unhinged the GOP. Losing in 2012 burst their alternate reality bubble. They’re hopeless now. Losing in 2016? I expect someone to try and pull a gun at the inaugural.

24 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 6:37:43pm

re: #11 Decatur Deb

Major Award.

Fra-gee-lay.

25 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 6:38:30pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

That would be impossible, I’m afraid. He’d claim that he meant ‘hostile takeover’ in terms of “throwing the bums out” on election day, not in terms of using armed force. To convict him, you’d have to prove he meant the latter not the former.

Then find a way to bounce his ass from public service and ostracize him.

Jindal, like the rest of the GOP, has gone batshit insane. These are not reasonable people anymore. They shouldn’t be treated as responsible adults.

26 teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2014 6:38:42pm

This is a purported Christian calling for other Christians to act violently on other fellow human beings if there is ever a sleight on their “religious freedom.” This is Bobby Jindal basically saying “I wish we were a theocracy, boy o boy would that be awesome!”

27 nines09  Jun 22, 2014 6:39:48pm

re: #17 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I also mentioned when this first came up that I believe Texas Gov. Rick Perry made similar statements about secession a while back. A lot of the right’s “states rights” rhetoric walks a fine line here.

States Rights is the biggest sheet you will ever see.

28 The Mountain That Blogs  Jun 22, 2014 6:40:00pm

re: #9 Rev_Arthur_Belling

There are more people in the Chicago Metro area than there are in the entire state of Louisiana.

In the same vein—Brooklyn and Queens together have more people than Louisiana.

29 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 6:40:39pm

re: #25 Lidane

Then find a way to bounce his ass from public service and ostracize him.

Jindal, like the rest of the GOP, has gone batshit insane. These are not reasonable people anymore. They shouldn’t be treated as responsible adults.

Jindal has been batshit for a long time. Catholic college students don’t do bootleg exorcisms in the dorm.

30 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 6:40:59pm

Here’s the Perry quote in question (Fact Check link):

Perry: I think there’s a lot of different scenarios. Texas is a unique place. When we came in the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that.

You know, my hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We’ve got a great union. There is absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what may come out of that? But Texas is a very unique place and we’re a pretty independent lot to boot.

As I said, he’s skirted up to the secession talk several times.

31 austin_blue  Jun 22, 2014 6:41:03pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

I’m actually a bit stunned that a governor would make such a horribly irresponsible statement, in a place where there are nutjobs who might actually act on it.

This shit is fucked up.

And he thinks the R’s should stop being the “stupid party”.

Irony and hypocrisy, thy name is Jindal.

32 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 6:41:35pm

re: #26 teleskiguy

This is a purported Christian calling for other Christians to act violently on other fellow human beings if there is ever a sleight on their “religious freedom.” This is Bobby Jindal basically saying “I wish we were a theocracy, boy o boy would that be awesome!”

What these fuckers (the lot of them… theocrats/gun nuts/freedom of speechers) don’t ever seem to realize is that all these laws they are trying to “save” and all these scenarios they keep dreaming about, can be flipped right back against them.

33 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 6:41:57pm

re: #27 You People, or Just That Guy. You Know. Wink Nod

States Rights is the biggest sheet you will ever see.

Does it have eyeholes? And a pointy hood?

34 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 22, 2014 6:42:34pm

re: #26 teleskiguy

This is a purported Christian calling for other Christians to act violently on other fellow human beings if there is ever a sleight on their “religious freedom.” This is Bobby Jindal basically saying “I wish we were a theocracy, boy o boy would that be awesome!”

He forgets that the ones who would take over in such a case would throw him in with the president at best between being permanently sun tanned and a papist.

35 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 6:42:39pm

re: #29 Decatur Deb

Jindal has been batshit for a long time. Catholic college students don’t do bootleg exorcisms in the dorm.

Until Bobby Jindal came along, I didn’t even know that anyone in the developed world did exorcisms anymore. That’s such a weird Dark Ages thing.

36 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 6:42:39pm

re: #23 Lidane

Just imagine what these nutters will do if Hillary runs and wins in 2016.

Losing in 2008 unhinged the GOP. Losing in 2012 burst their alternate reality bubble. They’re hopeless now. Losing in 2016? I expect someone to try and pull a gun at the inaugural.

Another loss, especially the sort of solid loss that defined 2012, would be the final straw for a lot of them. They’re already convinced that the whole system is rigged, another loss of that magnitude would be all it would take to convince them that the only way they can “Take America Back” is through force of arms.

37 b.d.  Jun 22, 2014 6:42:44pm

Face the music Bobby, your party put up the very best they had twice and lost both times.

You lost, the American people didn’t like what you offered either time, quit acting like a bunch of whiny ass babies.

38 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 6:43:02pm

These maps from the Louisiana Department of Natural Resources & this page from Shell Oil, I think give a bit of an idea how strategic of a location the Port of New Orleans is for Oil and Gas.

And from the Wiki:

The Port of New Orleans is a port located in New Orleans, Louisiana. It is the 6th largest port in the United States based on volume of cargo handled, second-largest in the state after the Port of South Louisiana, and 13th largest in the U.S. based on value of cargo.[citation needed] It also has the longest wharf in the world, which is 2.01 miles (3.4 km) long and can accommodate 15 vessels at one time.[1]

I know absolutely nothing about the rest of the State.

39 austin_blue  Jun 22, 2014 6:43:18pm

re: #33 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Does it have eyeholes? And a pointy hood?

You know how you can tell who’s in charge at a Klan rally?

He’s the guy with fitted sheets.

40 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 6:43:56pm

re: #28 The Mountain That Blogs

In the same vein—Brooklyn and Queens together have more people than Louisiana.

New York City has long had more people than many states.

In part it was fear of more rural states being dominated by states with large cities that lead to the bi-cameral structure of the Congress, with each state having two seats in the Senate. The greater relative power of small states in the Senate was intended as a counter-majoritarian provision of the Constitution.

41 nines09  Jun 22, 2014 6:44:01pm

re: #33 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Big enough to fill a football stadium. They would fly it, but as a flag it’s a symbol of truce or surrender. So they use words to mask the hood they wear.

42 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 6:44:41pm

Bobby played the “sane, moderate” Republican when it looked like there was going to be a major backlash against the crazy after 2012. But when realized that the crazy was not only still around, but getting more toxic, he decided to toss his lot in with the crazies if only to fulfill his wish to become President.

43 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 6:44:55pm

re: #27 You People, or Just That Guy. You Know. Wink Nod

States Rights is the biggest sheet you will ever see.

White sheet with pointed white hood?

44 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 6:45:50pm

re: #37 b.d.

Face the music Bobby, your party put up the very best they had twice and lost both times.

You lost, the American people didn’t like what you offered either time, quit acting like a bunch of whiny ass babies.

Romney was not the best the GOP had. He was the person who was ‘next in line’ and who was willing to run in 2012, given the likelihood of President Obama being reelected.

45 b.d.  Jun 22, 2014 6:46:21pm
Popular vote 2008 -
Barack Obama — 69,498,516
Angry John — 59,948,323

Popular vote 2012 -
Barack Obama — 65,915,796
Mittens — 60,933,500

46 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 6:46:43pm

re: #39 austin_blue

You know how you can tell who’s in charge at a Klan rally?

He’s the guy with fitted sheets.

How can you tell the FBI infiltrtator?
Dues are paid up.

47 teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2014 6:46:51pm

re: #32 GlutenFreeJesus

What these fuckers (the lot of them… theocrats/gun nuts/freedom of speechers) don’t ever seem to realize is that all these laws they are trying to “save” and all these scenarios they keep dreaming about, can be flipped right back against them.

…as long as they don’t get in to power. And that’s the problem with the Republican Party today. Too many of these fuckin’ loons have been getting into power since the Clinton years and it’s been especially exacerbated since the US elected its first black president. Mainstream Republicans these days would have been called radical John Birchers 40+ years ago.

All you have to do is look at Congressional candidate David Brat (R-VA).

The Republicans have lost me forever. Until they stop proselytizing a way of thinking/living/being/loving.

48 lostlakehiker  Jun 22, 2014 6:46:54pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

That would be impossible, I’m afraid. He’d claim that he meant ‘hostile takeover’ in terms of “throwing the bums out” on election day, not in terms of using armed force. To convict him, you’d have to prove he meant the latter not the former.

Jindal could also point to what I expect is the most common meaning in donor circles of the term “hostile takeover”—-it means when shareholders band together and vote the current board of governors and management out and name their own. To do that, they have to put together a coalition with the majority of the votes, where one share gets one vote. (Oversimplifying because sometimes there’s nonvoting shares, but you get my drift.) Seen from this slant on the metaphor, the phrase could be defended in court as just colorful language for the usual “throw the bums out” election rhetoric. Which, after all, is also built around a metaphor. The loser of an election doesn’t literally get picked up and chucked out the door.

Criminal cases have to meet a high standard…is there any reasonable doubt about what was meant? This speech doesn’t give a prosecutor very good footing.

49 b.d.  Jun 22, 2014 6:47:01pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Romney was not the best the GOP had. He was the person who was ‘next in line’ and who was willing to run in 2012, given the likelihood of President Obama being reelected.

Who was better than Romney?

50 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 6:47:27pm

re: #49 b.d.

Who was better than Romney?

Rafalca.

51 The War TARDIS  Jun 22, 2014 6:48:20pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

re: #45 b.d.

You gotta wonder:

a- How the Republican Voter Surrpression lowered Obama’s Vote Total, and

b- How badly dinged turn out was in Sandy’s impact area (Delaware to Rhode Island.)

52 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 6:48:38pm

re: #49 b.d.

Who was better than Romney?

The mythical Centrist Republican (TM), who couldn’t make it out of a primary with the Clown Show that’s running the base.

53 Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2014 6:49:41pm

This is really bad.

54 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 6:50:34pm

re: #49 b.d.

Who was better than Romney?

Zombie Reagan, obviously.

Out of the entire field that ran, Romney was their best chance since Huntsman couldn’t even get anyone to look twice at him and the rest of the gaggle of idiots the GOP ran made folks long for the Bush years, FFS.

In 2016, expect to see the GOP primaries filled with even more fail and idiocy, especially if Rand Paul and Ted Cruz both run. Any GOP primary drinking games would have to be done with water or non-alcoholic drinks or people would die.

55 lostlakehiker  Jun 22, 2014 6:51:42pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Romney was not the best the GOP had. He was the person who was ‘next in line’ and who was willing to run in 2012, given the likelihood of President Obama being reelected.

Huntsman was the best the Republicans had, but he never got any traction. The talent pool is deeper the further out from an election you’re talking, but by the time it comes down to primaries, the pool of people who might actually end up with the nomination (with a better than 1% chance, say) is thin. And of that lot, Romney would have made a less ineffectual president than, oh, say, Perry, who was probably the next most likely to have got the nomination.

56 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 6:52:54pm

Bobby is saying
HEY YOU GUYS I AM UP FOR GRABS FOR VP IN ‘16!!!!11!!!!

57 Sionainn  Jun 22, 2014 6:53:30pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

That would be impossible, I’m afraid. He’d claim that he meant ‘hostile takeover’ in terms of “throwing the bums out” on election day, not in terms of using armed force. To convict him, you’d have to prove he meant the latter not the former.

Not if I was on the jury.

58 bratwurst  Jun 22, 2014 6:53:37pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Romney was not the best the GOP had. He was the person who was ‘next in line’ and who was willing to run in 2012, given the likelihood of President Obama being reelected.

Oh please. Don’t engage in revisionist history. EVERYONE to the right of Joe Lieberman was licking their chops after the 2010 midterms. See this. The field was HUGE.

59 teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2014 6:54:51pm

I hope y’all don’t mind a brief moment of levity.

60 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 6:54:53pm

I really don’t like Hillary but I will hold my nose & vote for her unless GOP gets its act together, which is very doubtful.

I would hold my nose & vote for Hillary against Jeb, Chris, or Mitt.

Who else is there who is not insane?

Nobody.

61 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 6:55:35pm

I wish some other Dem would run against Hillary.

62 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 6:56:45pm

Srsly Hillary is running on the same mentality as Jeb or Mitt. IT’S MY TURN DAMN IT!!!!

63 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 6:56:54pm

re: #61 Pie-onist Overlord

I wish some other Dem would run against Hillary.

Someone will

remember, at this stage in the game prior to the 2008 election Hillary was “THE” one. Just a formality going thru the primaries

64 teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2014 6:56:56pm

re: #61 Pie-onist Overlord

I wish some other Dem would run against Hillary.

There’s still time, right? If Hickenlooper wins this fall in Colorado, that’s a pretty good centrist politician on the Dem side, amirite?

65 Kid A  Jun 22, 2014 6:57:37pm

So the Republicans call Obama “lawless” for signing executive orders? Well, I anxiously await their excommunication of Jindal for his seditious statements. Fuck off, Bobby.

66 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 6:57:50pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

There’s still time, right? If Hickenlooper wins this fall in Colorado, that’s a pretty good centrist politician on the Dem side, amirite?

Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden.

67 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 6:58:24pm

Hillary thought IT BELONGED TO HER until Obama came out of freaking nowhere.

68 b.d.  Jun 22, 2014 6:58:25pm

re: #61 Pie-onist Overlord

I wish some other Dem would run against Hillary.

Biden’s 3 Iraqs plan is starting to look like it was pretty on target after all, I’d vote for Biden over Clinton in the primary just ‘cause but they have the same donor base and it has already been spoken for.

69 teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2014 6:59:24pm

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

Hillary thought IT BELONGED TO HER until Obama came out of freaking nowhere.

Heh. Why not? Let’s test my Hick theory. Indulge me, Alouette.

70 b.d.  Jun 22, 2014 6:59:36pm

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden.

Warren is just so bad on the stump and really hard to warm up to imo.

71 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 6:59:39pm

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden.

Warren’s on record as saying she’ll serve out her term before she considers a run, so it won’t be earlier than 2020. I wouldn’t mind seeing Joe run, but I’m not sure I can recall the Democrat VP who went on to win a presidential term of his own. Too much connection to the workings of his boss to shake off the suggestion that they’re just “more of the same.”

72 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 7:00:04pm

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

On vacation starting ,, NOW!!!

I WILL be stopping for an adult beverage on the way home!!!

73 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 7:00:33pm

re: #70 b.d.

Warren is just so bad on the stump and really hard to warm up to imo.

There is already Warren Derangement over the Native American thing.

74 b.d.  Jun 22, 2014 7:00:46pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

On vacation staring ,, NOW!!!

I WILL be stopping for an adult beverage on the way home!!!

congrats on reaching vacation status

75 Kid A  Jun 22, 2014 7:01:04pm

re: #68 b.d.

Lesson from Iraq: If you don’t know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite, don’t borrow money to start a war there.

77 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 7:04:59pm

Hillary is the mark to beat, but I have faith there are some Democrats in Congress or the gubernatorial level who have the chops to give her a serious run for her money. Somebody who’s built a solid reputation while staying off the radar.

78 austin_blue  Jun 22, 2014 7:07:00pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

There’s still time, right? If Hickenlooper wins this fall in Colorado, that’s a pretty good centrist politician on the Dem side, amirite?

Sadsly, his name is just a killer for him.

Although a Hickenlooper vs Huckabee campaign would be great fun.

79 teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2014 7:07:00pm

I want to tell y’all about my governor, John Hickenlooper. This is what I know. He helped found Wynkoop Brewing in Denver, is a trained geologist who has healthy ties to energy companies…so he changes his mind mostly on evidence…which makes him an admittedly flawed political figure. Oh, and he recently apologized for signing a gun control bill he signed into law to a group of CO sheriffs.

Yeah, Hickenlooper will never never NEVER be president of the US.

*slight grammatical errors corrected*

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 7:10:04pm

If Hillary runs, we could have a GOP POTUS. We could have Jeb or Mitt. How horrible is that?

81 austin_blue  Jun 22, 2014 7:10:35pm

re: #76 Pie-onist Overlord

HILLARY DERANGEMENT:

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When did two consenting adults fucking become sexual assault?

Enquiring Minds, &c…

82 Sionainn  Jun 22, 2014 7:11:14pm

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

If Hillary runs, we could have a GOP POTUS. We could have Jeb or Mitt. How horrible is that?

Do.not.say.that!

83 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 7:11:39pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

What criteria to you use for that distinction?

A “major state” is in the top ten of population and/or contribution to GDP.

84 Blue Fielder  Jun 22, 2014 7:12:06pm

Achtung! Alles Lookenspeepers!

It’s the auto-da-fe of the Insane Screaming Right of 2014: To be considered for the next election, they have to out-do the next guy in screaming louder, longer, and more violently.

And who suffers? The people hurt and killed by the sisterfuckers who take this shit seriously.

I’m at the point where I don’t think we can fix this. And it seriously makes me consider giving up. We can’t stop them from winning because they own the media, they own the businesses, they own the voting machines. And when we do win by some miracle of sheer numbers and constant missteps by their chosen few, they march about with guns, ready to shoot us if we step out of line. It’s a one-party system in all but name - they win no matter who gets in, whether their name is followed by a D, an R, or the sign of some third party.

Those who guide my path have long held that despair isn’t helping, but now I understand that despair is all we have left. They have taken the rest of what we had, by force, and we have nothing left but to watch them bring the whole thing down by any means they can.

I sincerely wish I hadn’t survived when I took ill a few years ago. I wouldn’t have had to watch death at the hands of the unhinged become a daily thing. I wouldn’t have had to watch sedition become a rite of passage. I’d be tucked away in the ground outside my hometown, next to my father’s ashes, my organs helping others to live the life I squandered.

But despite all this, I fight on. We all must. Because I’m damn sure not going to let some pissant little cousin-fucking Muppet of a half-assed governor walk us one more step towards anarchy.

85 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 7:12:26pm

re: #81 austin_blue

When did two consenting adults fucking become sexual assault?

Enquiring Minds, &c…

HURR HURR IF A DEMOCRAT FUCKED A WOMEN THAT IS TEH REAL WAR ON WOMEN!!!!! HURR HURR MARY JOE KOPECHNE!!!!!! TEH DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!

86 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 7:12:38pm
87 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 22, 2014 7:13:00pm

re: #61 Pie-onist Overlord

I wish some other Dem would run against Hillary.

I fully expect her to lose in the primaries again because there are just too many Democrats who feel like you do. My money is on Kirsten Gillibrand unless they can get Feingold to run.

88 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 7:13:55pm

re: #87 William Barnett-Lewis

I fully expect her to lose in the primaries again because there are just too many Democrats who feel like you do. My money is on Kirsten Gillibrand unless they can get Feingold to run.

Michelle Obama.

Srsly, who can freak out the GOP MOAR THEN HILLARY.

89 austin_blue  Jun 22, 2014 7:13:58pm

re: #84 Blue Fielder

Achtung! Alles Lookenspeepers!

It’s the auto-da-fe of the Insane Screaming Right of 2014: To be considered for the next election, they have to out-do the next guy in screaming louder, longer, and more violently.

And who suffers? The people hurt and killed by the sisterfuckers who take this shit seriously.

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But despite all this, I fight on. We all must. Because I’m damn sure not going to let some pissant little cousin-fucking Muppet of a half-assed governor walk us one more step towards anarchy.

M’kay, but how do you really feel?

90 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 7:15:03pm
91 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 7:16:34pm

re: #84 Blue Fielder

Just put one vote-getting-out foot in front of the other. We were supposed to be dead generations ago.

92 b.d.  Jun 22, 2014 7:18:10pm

re: #86 Gus

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BEFORE OBAMA SHOWED UP THE MIDDLE EAST WAS PEACEFUL AND OUR ECONOMY WAS DOING JUST FINE

93 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 7:19:17pm

re: #79 teleskiguy

I want to tell y’all about my governor, John Hickenlooper. This is what I know. He helped found Wynkoop Brewing in Denver, is a trained geologist who has healthy ties to energy companies…so he changes his mind mostly on evidence…which makes him an admittedly flawed political figure. Oh, and he recently apologized for signing a gun control bill he signed to a group of CO sheriffs.

Yeah, Hickenlooper will never never NEVER be president of the US.

That ‘gun control apology’ will likely preclude any run for president. He basically made both sides of that issue feel he didn’t really believe as they do, and he ended up coming across as an opportunistic phoney.

Granted that opportunist phonies do sometimes win primaries, but not when they look like opportunistic phonies.

94 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 7:20:21pm

re: #92 b.d.

BEFORE OBAMA SHOWED UP THE MIDDLE EAST WAS PEACEFUL AND OUR ECONOMY WAS DOING JUST FINE

And all our children were above average.

95 austin_blue  Jun 22, 2014 7:20:57pm

re: #90 Pie-onist Overlord

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And he votes to cut unemployment benefits, making the drag on the economy that much harder, longer, and worse.

Rugged Individualism is great until the cards are stacked against you by conservative politicians who celebrate Rugged Individualism. Then it’s Poverty Stricken Collectivism for which Liberals are blamed.

It’s kind of elegant, if you can keep from throwing up at the hypocrisy of it all.

96 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 22, 2014 7:21:23pm

re: #94 Decatur Deb

And all our children were above average.

upding for the Prarie Home Companion ref.

97 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 7:22:04pm

re: #82 Sionainn

Do.not.say.that!

She should say that, at least if you want to win. Being all “rah, rah!” all the time isn’t the best thing for either party. A smart political operation will not only ask the question “Who do we win?” but also will ask “What mistakes could we make that would cause us to lose?”.

98 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 7:23:05pm

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden.

Joe Biden was born in 1942… he’s past his elect-by date.

99 teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2014 7:26:40pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

Granted that opportunist phonies do sometimes win primaries, but not when they look like opportunistic phonies.

Hick had no choice but to be an “opportunistic phoney” with the gun thing. There’s plenty of borderline sovereign citizen types in Colorado for Hickenlooper to maybe realign his political rhetoric involving guns. Believe me, there are people in my immediate circles that think all fucking hell is going to break loose and Obama is Hitler and we’re gonna have a great insurrection against the Big Bad Gubmint.

And they’re being aided and abetted by right wing politicians daily!

100 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 7:27:17pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

Warren’s on record as saying she’ll serve out her term before she considers a run, so it won’t be earlier than 2020. I wouldn’t mind seeing Joe run, but I’m not sure I can recall the Democrat VP who went on to win a presidential term of his own. Too much connection to the workings of his boss to shake off the suggestion that they’re just “more of the same.”

Truman, LBJ. But they each had part of their predecessor’s unfinished term to prove themselves before running in their own right, and the country wasn’t eager for the disruption of another change of administration so quickly.

101 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 7:27:22pm

102 b.d.  Jun 22, 2014 7:30:18pm

re: #101 FemNaziBitch

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That’s shopped!

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103 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 7:31:00pm

re: #102 b.d.

That’s shopped!

//

I know, I took the pic.

104 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 7:32:37pm

Scroll down for someone else’s picture.

There are blue dogs everywhere.

105 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 7:32:54pm

I got to hold a baby alligator yesterday.

Jealous?

106 BeachDem  Jun 22, 2014 7:32:57pm

I think one of Hillary’s big problems in 2008 is she didn’t have anywhere near the ground game that Barack did—kind of caught her flat-footed.

But I’ve already seen the 2016 “Ready for Hillary” people putting things together in 50 states. They’re at every event, doing training sessions, gathering supporter info and getting out there. Whoever’s going to seriously challenge her needs to start preparing yesterday.

107 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 22, 2014 7:35:14pm

Well, been awhile since last night at 10:00 pm. I´ve got tonight off so off to read a bit then fall asleep while listening to classical music radio. Perhaps I´ll get lucky and a Haydn quartet will come on… :)

Later lizards.

108 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 7:35:44pm

June 16 2014, Iowa:

“Gov. Bobby Jindal portrayed himself as a can-do governor in touch with a national grassroots “rebellion” and ready to lead a hostile takeover of Washington.”
slate.com

109 teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2014 7:36:53pm

re: #107 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, been awhile since last night at 10:00 pm. I´ve got tonight off so off to read a bit then fall asleep while listening to classical music radio. Perhaps I´ll get lucky and a Haydn quartet will come on… :)

Later lizards.

Later WBL! I hope some of the squeakier Schumann ends up squaking your eardrums. NAY!

110 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 7:41:08pm

I want to see this before I leave this week.

111 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 7:41:56pm

re: #105 FemNaziBitch

I got to hold a baby alligator yesterday.

Jealous?

Nope, I did that myself some years back. But I’m glad you’re having fun.

112 BongCrodny  Jun 22, 2014 7:44:01pm

I’ve said it before; I’ll crawl over broken glass to vote for Hillary in November — but I’m really hoping for someone who doesn’t run everything through 45 levels of focus groups before taking a stand on something.

Here’s my guy:

In Maryland, we have done more, not less, to create new jobs in new industries; to build a modern economy - an economy, with a human purpose.

We have done more to improve our children’s education…,

more to rebuild our infrastructure…,

and more to make college opportunity more affordable for all.

Like you, we believe the foundation of any growing economy is a stronger middle class.

Therefore, we increased the Earned Income Tax Credit…,

We became the first state in the nation to pass a living wage law…,

And just a few weeks ago, we increased the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour.

Why did we take these actions?

Because when workers earn more money, businesses have more customers and our WHOLE ECONOMY GROWS.

Prosperity doesn’t trickle down from the top. It never has.

A thriving economy - a growing economy - is built from the middle out and the middle up.

A stronger middle class is not the consequence of economic growth — it is the CAUSE of economic growth.

The whole speech is here:

Martin O’Malley’s Speech to Iowa Democrats

113 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 7:44:03pm

re: #106 BeachDem

I think one of Hillary’s big problems in 2008 is she didn’t have anywhere near the ground game that Barack did—kind of caught her flat-footed.

But I’ve already seen the 2016 “Ready for Hillary” people putting things together in 50 states. They’re at every event, doing training sessions, gathering supporter info and getting out there. Whoever’s going to seriously challenge her needs to start preparing yesterday.

I wouldn’t have said this 8 years ago. Looking back I can see how hard it is going to be for ANY female to gain the Oval Office. This country is too misogynistic.

We have politicians arguing over the definition of rape — and soldiers being denied treatment for rape. Male soldiers!!!

Patriarchy is well entrenched in the USA.

114 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 7:44:57pm

as die-hard racist as people can be in the US, a black man still won the Oval Office before a woman.

Think about that.

115 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 7:45:02pm

re: #105 FemNaziBitch

I got to hold a baby alligator yesterday.

Jealous?

Small alligator lived a couple hundred yards away. The kids named him ‘Izod”.

116 Kid A  Jun 22, 2014 7:46:31pm
117 Belafon  Jun 22, 2014 7:47:22pm

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

If anyone runs, we could have a Republican president. We call it an election. On the other hand, tell me a Republican that is running that would not, at some point, pull a “that one” style comment about Clinton.

I know we think we know a lot about Clinton, but I really think a lot of people are projecting on her, but in this case projecting a whole lot of negative things, which I don’t entirely understand. I voted for Obama over her in 2008, but I personally am ready for her to run in 2016, because I just don’t really see anyone else wanting to run.

She might seem unstoppable, but if there’s someone better, I think 2008 should prove to them that they should run, and they could win. If Clinton now has a better ground game, you know what means? She’s capable of learning, which I consider a pretty good quality.

118 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 7:47:37pm

re: #106 BeachDem

I think one of Hillary’s big problems in 2008 is she didn’t have anywhere near the ground game that Barack did—kind of caught her flat-footed.

But I’ve already seen the 2016 “Ready for Hillary” people putting things together in 50 states. They’re at every event, doing training sessions, gathering supporter info and getting out there. Whoever’s going to seriously challenge her needs to start preparing yesterday.

Heh. We’re not worrying about Dem competition. We’re worried about voter suppression. This off-year election will give us the measure of the problem.

119 calochortus  Jun 22, 2014 7:48:17pm

re: #113 FemNaziBitch

I wouldn’t have said this 8 years ago. Looking back I can see how hard it is going to be for ANY female to gain the Oval Office. This country is too misogynistic.

We have politicians arguing over the definition of rape — and soldiers being denied treatment for rape. Male soldiers!!!

Patriarchy is well entrenched in the USA.

Yeah, I’d love to see a female president before I die, but I won’t vote for anyone on gender alone.
I don’t know that Hillary is my first choice, but certainly better than any Republican out there.

We’ll have to see what happens as 2016 approaches.

120 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 7:48:25pm

There is some sort of political buried treasure in Louisiana/NOLA. I don’t know if it is old political money or power base or what.

Something that makes this place relevant.

121 Belafon  Jun 22, 2014 7:49:21pm

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

So, do you think Obama won over Clinton because he was a man? All that “running a better campaign stuff” didn’t matter as much?

122 austin_blue  Jun 22, 2014 7:49:34pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

This is really bad.

It’s Amurikah in 2014.

It’s crazy time, isn’t it? The fanatics are the new normal for the political conservatives in this country. And they’ve got a huge following among the general population.

Science is untrustworthy. Facts are fungible with lies. The power of money can defeat truth.

It’s the new normal.

{sigh}

123 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 7:50:41pm

re: #117 Belafon

If anyone runs, we could have a Republican president. We call it an election. On the other hand, tell me a Republican that is running that would not, at some point, pull a “that one” style comment about Clinton.

I know we think we know a lot about Clinton, but I really think a lot of people are projecting on her, but in this case projecting a whole lot of negative things, which I don’t entirely understand. I voted for Obama over her in 2008, but I personally am ready for her to run in 2016, because I just don’t really see anyone else wanting to run.

She might seem unstoppable, but if there’s someone better, I think 2008 should prove to them that they should run, and they could win. If Clinton now has a better ground game, you know what means? She’s capable of learning, which I consider a pretty good quality.

because that is what people do to women in power. They are bitches, witches and succubi.

The Virgin Mary will never run for POTUS. So, I guess we are screwed.

124 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 7:51:21pm

re: #122 austin_blue

It’s Amurikah in 2014.

It’s crazy time, isn’t it? The fanatics are the new normal for the political conservatives in this country. And they’ve got a huge following among the general population.

Science is untrustworthy. Facts are fungible with lies. The power of money can defeat truth.

It’s the new normal.

{sigh}

It’s also the old normal. Same as it ever was.

dailymotion.com

125 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 22, 2014 7:52:04pm

Bobby Jindal also appeared on a recent episode of everyone’s favourite redneck reality show…

126 Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2014 7:52:58pm

Received through our contact form, from someone who seems to think I don’t know who he is.

Once we win back the White House, guess which faggot ass cyclist
musician in southern California is going to get audited ?

Better get those receipts in order, cocksucker.

127 Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2014 7:53:36pm

Title on the email: “Sedition!”

128 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 7:54:17pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Received through our contact form, from someone who seems to think I don’t know who he is.

Thought they were going to eliminate the IRS.

129 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 7:55:06pm

I will say the parts of NOLA I’ve seen so far see much worse for wear than when I was here 22 years ago. (Bob, I am so freaking old)

Anyway, looks like a major lack of spending on the urban pretty industries —weeds in sidewalks, lack of flowers where they should easily grow—crumbling curbs and sidewalks. everywhere.

130 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 7:55:15pm

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

Bobby Jindal also appeared on a recent episode of everyone’s favourite redneck reality show…

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That is just sad.

131 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 7:55:40pm

re: #128 Decatur Deb

Thought they were going to eliminate the IRS.

Ah!

132 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 7:55:58pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Received through our contact form, from someone who seems to think I don’t know who he is.

So this clown is saying that the IRS under Obama giving conservative PACs extra scrutiny was wrong, but if Republicans hold the White House then auditing a liberal will be OK.

133 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 7:57:31pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Received through our contact form, from someone who seems to think I don’t know who he is.

Damn. You must have a lot of power for the crazies. So much so that if a Republican gets voted into the White House they’re coming after you! Ha! Weirdos.

134 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 7:57:40pm

re: #129 FemNaziBitch

I will say the parts of NOLA I’ve seen so far see much worse for wear than when I was here 22 years ago. (Bob, I am so freaking old)

Anyway, looks like a major lack of spending on the urban pretty industries —weeds in sidewalks, lack of flowers where they should easily grow—crumbling curbs and sidewalks. everywhere.

Even the Botanical Garden was sad.

135 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 22, 2014 7:58:44pm

re: #129 FemNaziBitch

I will say the parts of NOLA I’ve seen so far see much worse for wear than when I was here 22 years ago. (Bob, I am so freaking old)

Anyway, looks like a major lack of spending on the urban pretty industries —weeds in sidewalks, lack of flowers where they should easily grow—crumbling curbs and sidewalks. everywhere.

The reality is the city STILL hasn’t fully recovered from Katrina. The French Quarter, that’s done up nice for the tourists, the Garden District is relatively well kept up but a lot of the poorer, more off the beaten path areas are filled with empty store fronts and derelict buildings STILL boarded up from 9 years ago.

It will never be same again.

136 austin_blue  Jun 22, 2014 7:59:41pm

re: #120 FemNaziBitch

There is some sort of political buried treasure in Louisiana/NOLA. I don’t know if it is old political money or power base or what.

Something that makes this place relevant.

An observation from someone who lived in NO for over ten years:

There are three distinct political blocs in NO: Whites, Mixed-race (Creole) Catholics, and Protestant blacks. No race is nastier than when a member of the second group runs against a member of the third.

I wouldn’t call it “relevant”, per se, just unique and very, very different.

137 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 22, 2014 7:59:49pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Received through our contact form, from someone who seems to think I don’t know who he is.

$10 says this person went to church this morning and considers him/herself “loving”

138 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 22, 2014 8:00:56pm

Compared with the rest of Louisiana and really the rest of the country, New Orleans is an experience unto itself.

139 austin_blue  Jun 22, 2014 8:05:02pm

re: #129 FemNaziBitch

I will say the parts of NOLA I’ve seen so far see much worse for wear than when I was here 22 years ago. (Bob, I am so freaking old)

Anyway, looks like a major lack of spending on the urban pretty industries —weeds in sidewalks, lack of flowers where they should easily grow—crumbling curbs and sidewalks. everywhere.

They lost so much of their property tax base, that it is not surprising. Remember when Shrub promised to rebuild the City in his speech in Jackson Square? Remember what happened after that?

(congressional crickets)

140 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 8:05:04pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Received through our contact form, from someone who seems to think I don’t know who he is.

That would perhaps merit a “We Got Mail!” post.

141 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 8:05:46pm

OMG, I met this dog —at this store (sunglass store on Canal). I was just googling the breed and this picture came up. How weird is that?

Anyway, Thai Ridgeback, very kool dog. I want one.

142 BeachDem  Jun 22, 2014 8:06:41pm

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

FemNaziBitch—Totally off topic, but last week, you were trying to think of a short story title—I wasn’t registered then, so couldn’t respond, but I think the one you were searching for was “The Ones Who Walked Away From Omelas” by Ursula LeGuin. Was that it?

143 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 8:07:39pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

Title on the email: “Sedition!”

Seditionists sticking together.

144 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 8:08:37pm

A Pickett’s charge to them all.

145 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 8:08:43pm

re: #142 BeachDem

FemNaziBitch—Totally off topic, but last week, you were trying to think of a short story title—I wasn’t registered then, so couldn’t respond, but I think the one you were searching for was “The Ones Who Walked Away From Omelas” by Ursula LeGuin. Was that it?

Yes, I think that is it.

Thank you and welcome.

146 Blue Fielder  Jun 22, 2014 8:12:02pm

re: #89 austin_blue

M’kay, but how do you really feel?

I ended up taking THAT out.

147 BeachDem  Jun 22, 2014 8:15:33pm

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

Yes, I think that is it.

Thank you and welcome.

You’re welcome (and thank you for the welcome—this could go on all night!) It is a really good story—I love that she came up with the name driving out of Salem, Oregon and seeing the sign in her rear-view mirror.

148 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 8:17:59pm
149 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 8:20:41pm

Strange belief systems #6,392,437:

150 Romantic Heretic  Jun 22, 2014 8:23:36pm

I will point out again that you can get the true meaning of Gov. Jindal’s speech by replacing the word ‘liberty’ with ‘power’.

151 austin_blue  Jun 22, 2014 8:27:42pm

re: #149 jaunte

Strange belief systems #6,392,437:

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How Atheists actually testify under oath:

“Do you promise to tell the truth?”

“I do.”

No religious book should be required.

(And by the way, I am an agnostic. I wouldn’t swear on a Bible, either, or any other text, except for the Constitution.)

152 dog philosopher  Jun 22, 2014 8:31:02pm

looks to me like this case where hillary is supposed to have boasted about having gotten a rapist a very reduced sentence and said bad things about the 12 y/i victim is not breaking in the news

153 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 8:33:59pm

re: #149 jaunte

Strange belief systems #6,392,437:

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Never met an atheist who “worships” Darwin. Also never met one who worships Einstein either, despite his own work doing more to upend the scientific universe than Darwin did. On The Origin Of Species wasn’t some shot out of the dark, a lone scientist’s theory that sprang from nothingness to question the religious hierarchy. It was one theory among many, as scientists of the era had already begun to believe that species were related and that some natural process had caused divergence rather than every living animal being part of a grand design. Just like Einstein had done when he published his own scientific theories, Darwin had merely built on what already existed with his own observations and presented his own theory as to how the various species had come about.

154 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 8:34:12pm

re: #151 austin_blue

Not sure where the ‘worship Darwin’ idea came from, but it seems they need to have people worship something.

155 austin_blue  Jun 22, 2014 8:34:13pm

re: #148 jaunte

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Troublemakers!

(Do I have to put sarc tags on this?)

Associated bullshit: “It’s heritage, not hate!”

156 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 8:38:25pm

Anyone here from Indiana?

157 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 22, 2014 8:39:21pm

re: #154 jaunte

Not sure where the ‘worship Darwin’ idea came from, but it seems they need to have people worship something.

It all goes back to that one commandment about “False Idols”, unfortunately a lot of them aren’t very clear on what an Idol actually is.

158 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 8:40:07pm

re: #148 jaunte

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They still don’t have a monument anywhere, but here in NYC there’s a plaque dedicated to them on my corner, installed when the building went up in 1967, the street created for it is called Freedom Place (the NY boys were from my neighborhood). I mentioned it once on TNC’s blog, and since then there’s been flowers placed on it a couple of times a week.

159 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 8:41:02pm

160 Blue Fielder  Jun 22, 2014 8:41:04pm

re: #156 jaunte

Anyone here from Indiana?

*points to icon*

161 J A P  Jun 22, 2014 8:44:07pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

Although atheists are disproportionately represented among scientists, I know a fair number of atheists who don’t care much about science. When people have such mistaken ideas about what atheists do and don’t believe I’m really puzzled. Are some of those people so insulated in their own world that they are that clueless? I guess so.

162 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 8:44:23pm

re: #160 Blue Fielder

My wife is there; visiting grandson.
The other grandfather came up, to say hello, she thought.
“When are you leaving?” he asked.
She thought it might be an Indiana custom,
but I was pretty sure he was just being a generic jerk.

163 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 8:46:35pm
164 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 8:46:38pm

re: #159 jaunte

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My building!!

165 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 8:48:43pm

re: #160 Blue Fielder

*points to icon*

Indeed. You’ve actually inspired me, because here’s my new icon:

Illinois Goes Red.

166 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 8:50:20pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. You’ve actually inspired me, because here’s my new icon:

Illinois Goes Red.

ha ha ha!!

Not as long as there’s a Chicago.

167 austin_blue  Jun 22, 2014 8:50:54pm

re: #154 jaunte

Not sure where the ‘worship Darwin’ idea came from, but it seems they need to have people worship something.

Odd, isn’t it? The people who believe that everyone has to worship something is an absolute given for people who worship something.

It may be Darwin. It may be secularism. It may be Buddha. But it has to be *something*.

Me? I appreciate this lovely planet we live upon, and pray that we don’t fuck it up any more than we have. That may not rise to the level of religion, but it is certainly a goal toward which I work, both professionally and in the time I devote to my city as a member of a City Commission.

168 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 8:52:33pm

re: #167 austin_blue

It’s the same mindset that suggests people who appreciate and want to preserve nature want to hug trees.

169 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 8:53:12pm

Too many misspellings.

170 austin_blue  Jun 22, 2014 8:58:50pm

re: #168 jaunte

It’s the same mindset that suggests people who appreciate and want to preserve nature want to hug trees.

Well, there was that whole Governor Reagan “killer trees” thing when he was explaining that trees were responsible for ozone precursors and that tailpipe emissions weren’t a problem in California and would kill jobs to regulate…

Us tree huggers loves trees more than Amurikans. We’re ebil!

171 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 9:01:13pm
JACKSON, Miss. -A quiet morning campaign event erupted into a shouting match Thursday morning when a Democratic voter crashed a coffee klatch by State Sen. Chris McDaniel and got into an angry confrontation [with] the conservative who is challenging six term Sen. Thad Cochran.

“How, with no seniority and a promise simply not to get along with anyone, will you accomplish any of the things you want to accomplish?” shouted John Davis, a 77-year-old retired teacher who was shopping at Kroger’s grocery when he noticed Mr. McDaniel about to begin a meet and greet session with about a dozen local retirees.

Hah. Good question, and the candidate had no answer.

172 FemNaziBitch  Jun 22, 2014 9:02:53pm

nytol

173 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 22, 2014 9:02:59pm

I could switch to a Mississippi Icon but I think I’ll keep my maple leaf.

174 compound_Idaho  Jun 22, 2014 9:05:30pm

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

Interesting perspective. In my community, curbs, sidewalk and gutter are the responsibility of the property owner. Subsidies are offered for repair from the city if there are left over funds dedicated to snow removal.

175 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 9:06:14pm

re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg

176 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 9:06:58pm

re: #171 jaunte

Hah. Good question, and the candidate had no answer.

Just like Ted Cruz has done: Threaten the full faith and credit of the nation unless he gets his way. Oh wait, that hasn’t done anything for Ted besides made him unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

177 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 9:09:42pm
178 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 9:13:02pm

re: #177 Gus

Elliott Abrams:
“The Middle East that Obama inherited in 2009 was largely at peace.”

What’s Elliott smoking?

179 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 9:14:31pm

re: #178 jaunte

Elliott Abrams:
“The Middle East that Obama inherited in 2009 was largely at peace.”

What’s Elliott smoking?

Crack cocaine. //

180 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 9:17:57pm

re: #177 Gus

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The rest of it is pretty hilarious as well. Apparently there was a “peaceful uprising” in Syria that we could have supported before Assad crushed them, leaving jihadis that he still thinks we should have supported with weapons and materiel…before saying those same jihadis are now threatening the peace in Iraq.

181 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 9:18:03pm

re: #179 Gus

The peaceful parts were very peaceful.

182 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 9:18:20pm

Largely.

183 BadExampleMan  Jun 22, 2014 9:21:37pm

Jindal’s language would be more threatening if it didn’t come from someone who looks and sounds like a 12-year-old playing dress-up in Daddy’s business suit.

Which is not to minimize the dangerous idiocy, just to note that in context it’s also kind of sadly amusing.

184 Blue Fielder  Jun 22, 2014 9:23:42pm

re: #162 jaunte

My wife is there; visiting grandson.
The other grandfather came up, to say hello, she thought.
“When are you leaving?” he asked.
She thought it might be an Indiana custom,
but I was pretty sure he was just being a generic jerk.

I’m gonna have to say “jerk” to that. Never heard anyone around here say that except as jerkery.

185 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 9:24:10pm

re: #171 jaunte

Hah. Good question, and the candidate had no answer.

Its a tricky question as to whom to support:

McDaniel is in some ways neo-Confederate, but on the other hand Thad Cochran is supported by Brett Farve, whom all Bears fans hate with rabid intensity.

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186 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 9:29:43pm

“…although Abrams told Secretary of State George Shultz that he should solicit funds for the Contras at a meeting with Sultan of Brunei, Shultz declined to do so. As a result, Abrams requested an offshore bank account number from Fiers and solicited the $10 million from Brunei’s defense minister himself. The Sultan transferred the money and sent the State Department the following cable: “This is to confirm that [Defense Minister] General Ibnu assures me arrangements have been consummated.” However, when John Kerry (D-MA), a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, asked if Abrams knew of any foreign country that financially supported the Contras, he replied, “I don’t know. But not that I am aware of and not through us.”

Abrams pleaded guilty to two counts of withholding information from Congress in 1991. His plea was based upon these three discussions with members of Congress. He was sentenced to two years of probation and ordered to complete 100 hours of community service. However, in 1992, President George H.W. Bush pardoned Abrams.”

brown.edu

187 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 9:31:34pm

188 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 22, 2014 9:33:08pm

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

as die-hard racist as people can be in the US, a black man still won the Oval Office before a woman.

Think about that.

And the 15th Amendment ratified in 1870 (theoretically) granted the right to vote to black males, years before the 19th Amendment ratified in 1920 granted the right to vote to [white & black] women.

189 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 9:35:39pm

“Of my two handicaps, being female put many more obstacles in my path than being black.”
—Shirley Chisholm

190 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 9:36:45pm
191 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 9:37:47pm

re: #178 jaunte

Elliott Abrams:
“The Middle East that Obama inherited in 2009 was largely at peace.”

What’s Elliott smoking?

Whatever he’s smoking I sure as shit don’t want any.

192 Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2014 9:38:45pm
193 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 9:39:33pm

re: #191 Lidane

Let’s not even talk about the assumptions involved in saying that an American President ‘inherits’ the Middle East.

194 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 9:41:24pm

re: #177 Gus

195 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 9:41:55pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

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How many critics of the last administration have received the sort of attention from the media that all the crooks and liars have? It seems like the people who got us into this clusterfuck in the first place are all the ones getting pride of place in telling us how the President could “fix” it.

196 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 9:43:07pm
“Mr. Abrams lied so blatantly to Congress in 1986 about the Iran-contra scandal that when indicted in 1991 he had no choice but to plead guilty. (President George Bush pardoned him the following year.)

Mr. Abrams also misled Congress about human rights in El Salvador. He dismissed reports of the El Mozote massacre as left-wing propaganda. He overstated the Salvadoran Army’s efforts to crack down on human rights abusers. He even deflected criticism of the death squad leader Roberto d’Aubuisson.”
nytimes.com[%22RI%3A7%22%2C%22RI%3A13%22]

197 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 9:44:45pm

re: #193 jaunte

Let’s not even talk about the assumptions involved in saying that an American President ‘inherits’ the Middle East.

Hilariously, the resident history buff/gun nut/”constitutional conservative” on my FB list had enough presence of mind to NOT blame Obama for what’s going on in Iraq right now. He linked to this article and pointed at WW1 instead:

198 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 9:45:40pm

Next article from Politico: Heinrich Himmler tells about how Germany was a place of peace and prosperity before those damned Americans stomped in and wrecked the place.

199 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 9:46:44pm
200 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 9:48:23pm

It’s really pretty stupid.

But that red line then disappeared in a last-minute reversal by the president that to this day is mentioned in every conversation about security in the Middle East, and no Arab or Israeli leader now trusts that the United States will stop the Iranian bomb. After all, we have passively watched al Qaeda become a major force in the heart of the region, and watched Iran creep closer to a nuclear weapon, and watched Iran send expeditionary forces to Syria—unopposed by any serious American pushback. Today no one in the Middle East knows what the rulebook is and whether the Americans will enforce any rules at all. No one can safely tell you what the borders of Iraq or Syria will be a few years hence. No one can tell you whether American power is to be feared, or can safely be derided.

201 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 9:48:44pm

He looks trustworthy.//////////////////////////////////

202 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 9:50:05pm

re: #200 Gus

Today no one in the Middle East knows what the rulebook is and whether the Americans will enforce any rules at all. No one can safely tell you what the borders of Iraq or Syria will be a few years hence. No one can tell you whether American power is to be feared, or can safely be derided.

But everyone can safely tell you that Elliot Abrams is a goddamn moron.

203 Blue Fielder  Jun 22, 2014 9:51:00pm

re: #195 Targetpractice

How many critics of the last administration have received the sort of attention from the media that all the crooks and liars have?

Pretty much just Greenwald, and that’s only because he’s a testicle koozie for the RWNJs these days.

That, and Markos was on Press the Meat once - before whoever booked him was taken out back and beaten with a sack of oranges for bringing in someone who makes them and their rich warpig sponsors look like the fucking dribble-chinned tools they are.

204 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 9:51:42pm

re: #200 Gus

It’s really pretty stupid.

But that red line then disappeared in a last-minute reversal by the president that to this day is mentioned in every conversation about security in the Middle East, and no Arab or Israeli leader now trusts that the United States will stop the Iranian bomb. After all, we have passively watched al Qaeda become a major force in the heart of the region, and watched Iran creep closer to a nuclear weapon, and watched Iran send expeditionary forces to Syria—unopposed by any serious American pushback. Today no one in the Middle East knows what the rulebook is and whether the Americans will enforce any rules at all. No one can safely tell you what the borders of Iraq or Syria will be a few years hence. No one can tell you whether American power is to be feared, or can safely be derided.

Yes, let us not mention that the “red line” went unanswered because Republicans made sure to very publicly threaten the President with impeachment if he exercised his power as CinC to make war without their approval for 90 days, while also making it clear that no matter how nicely he asked, they would no approve military action in Syria.

But please, Elliot, tell us how the President let the Syrians down.////

205 Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2014 10:02:23pm
206 Kid A  Jun 22, 2014 10:03:40pm

Katie Ledecky broke the world record in the 800-meter freestyle today. I was lucky enough to be there to photograph it. (Photograph: Kid A)

207 Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2014 10:05:07pm

Please retweet those tweets, folks. It’s time to start seriously pushing back against this organized smear campaign, and I could really use your help.

208 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 10:05:12pm
Katie Ledecky broke her second world record in four days, slashing 2.86 seconds off her 800m free mark from last year’s World Championships on Sunday.

Ledecky, 17 and the female World Swimmer of the Year, clocked 8 minutes, 11 seconds, at a meet in Texas. She took 2.3 seconds off her 1500m world record at the same pool Thursday.
olympictalk.nbcsports.com

209 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 10:05:54pm

re: #206 Kid A

Katie Ledecky broke the world record in the 800-meter freestyle today. I was lucky enough to be there to photograph it. (Photograph: Kid A)
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Let me guess; her time was approximately what I need to do one lap in the 25-meter pool?

210 Kid A  Jun 22, 2014 10:07:39pm

re: #209 sagehen

Broke it by 2.5 seconds, and beat the field by a lap. It was sick.

211 Kid A  Jun 22, 2014 10:11:35pm

Honestly, the more I shoot, the more I am in awe at these athletes’ abilities. It truly is a pleasure to observe and document it.

212 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:18:07pm

Amusing. Some are using Israeli air forces in and out bombing run today as proof that getting involved in Syria would be a piece of cake.

213 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 10:20:18pm

re: #212 Gus

Amusing. Some are using Israeli air forces in and out bombing run today as proof that getting involved in Syria would be a piece of cake.

We’ll be greeted as liberators! Shock and awe! Eleventy!

214 jaunte  Jun 22, 2014 10:20:22pm

re: #212 Gus

“You have converted a man if you have bombed him.”
—Nobody Sane

215 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 10:22:16pm

re: #214 jaunte

“You have converted a man if you have bombed him.”
—Nobody Sane

“We should carpet bomb the Middle East and forcibly convert them all to Christianity. If they refuse, kill them.”

/RWNJs everywhere

216 Ryan King  Jun 22, 2014 10:22:40pm

I want to be greeted as a liberator. Seems like its the bomb diggity.

217 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:25:17pm

All they did was hit 9 targets in the Golan Heights. Not the same. Apples and oranges.

218 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 10:27:54pm

re: #217 Gus

All they did was hit 9 targets in the Golan Heights. Not the same. Apples and oranges.

Oh come on. It’s just as easy as overthrowing Iraq and installing democracy, and even easier than going to war in Afghanistan.

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219 KiTA  Jun 22, 2014 10:31:57pm

Welp, I’m awake in time for work. Woo. Go team alarm clock.

And yeah, I did manage to sleep through waking up, walking across the room, hitting the snooze button, walking back, climbing back into bed and laying back down. Snooze is set to 10 minutes, and the alarm started at 10:30, I finally was awake enough to realize it at 10:50.

Think I might rearrange the ol’ bedroom, maybe that will help break up the pattern and all that.

220 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 10:34:11pm

re: #210 Kid A

Broke it by 2.5 seconds, and beat the field by a lap. It was sick.

So she does 100 meters in about a minute? I can do 50 meters a minute early in my swim when I’m fresh; by the end of my workout, it’s closer to 25 meters a minute.

(I don’t do freestyle; I do a froggy stroke that my online diet widget says is the least efficient, most calorific stroke. Weight x .75 is calories per ten minutes for a slow swimmer. I call it a win if my my lungs last longer than my legs; which for swimming they usually do, for running almost never.)

221 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 10:35:55pm

re: #217 Gus

All they did was hit 9 targets in the Golan Heights. Not the same. Apples and oranges.

Israel’s not trying to “win” the war in Syria; they’re just setting the out-of-bounds line for where the war can be.

222 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:36:26pm

Pretty sure I know what will happen in Syria after Assad and it’s not a pretty picture.

223 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 10:37:08pm

re: #219 KiTA

Welp, I’m awake in time for work. Woo. Go team alarm clock.

And yeah, I did manage to sleep through waking up, walking across the room, hitting the snooze button, walking back, climbing back into bed and laying back down. Snooze is set to 10 minutes, and the alarm started at 10:30, I finally was awake enough to realize it at 10:50.

Think I might rearrange the ol’ bedroom, maybe that will help break up the pattern and all that.

Put the alarm clock in a wire cage with a combination lock. You have to wake up enough to open it to hit the snooze.

224 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:37:11pm

re: #221 sagehen

Israel’s not trying to “win” the war in Syria; they’re just setting the out-of-bounds line for where the war can be.

Yep. In and out. Low and fast into the Golan Heights and come home. Retaliatory strikes. Mind you, I am not opposed to the action Israel took.

225 lostlakehiker  Jun 22, 2014 10:39:39pm

re: #112 BongCrodny

I’ve said it before; I’ll crawl over broken glass to vote for Hillary in November — but I’m really hoping for someone who doesn’t run everything through 45 levels of focus groups before taking a stand on something.

Here’s my guy:

The whole speech is here:

Martin O’Malley’s Speech to Iowa Democrats

I really, really like the EITC. It has all the pluses of a larger minimum wage, with no risk of pricing workers out of jobs.

There is some work that has value to society, but not $15 an hour. If that’s the price, the transaction of labor for money just won’t take place. But at $10 an hour, with a $5 EITC thrown in, the worker gets their $15, the customer gets work he/she values at $11, pays $10, and the wheels of commerce turn.

226 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 10:46:00pm

I’d prefer a higher minimum wage, at least for companies with more than 10 employees. If WalMart gave every single one of their hourly employees a $100/week raise, that would cut their profits by about a third (assuming they didn’t raise prices at all to cover any of it). The number of those employees who need food stamps and medicare because their full-time wages just doesn’t cut it… I don’t like that the rest of us are subsidizing WalMart and McDonald’s payroll just so their stockholders can get a higher dividend (which is itself taxed lower than earned income).

227 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:49:35pm

Yeesh. I tell ya. Some people just think they know everything. Damn Jeopardy champions. //

228 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 10:52:38pm
229 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:56:25pm

re: #228 Lidane

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Netanyahu is testing my patience.

230 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:57:45pm
231 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:58:54pm
232 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:59:04pm

Nothing to see here!

233 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 11:01:04pm
234 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 11:01:21pm

In the “Judeo-Christian” tradition.

235 palomino  Jun 22, 2014 11:06:35pm

re: #49 b.d.

Who was better than Romney?

No one in the GOP. This is the bullshit republicans tell themselves in order to pretend Obama’s victory didn’t have any larger meaning.

236 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 11:09:22pm

re: #235 palomino

No one in the GOP. This is the bullshit republicans tell themselves in order to pretend Obama’s victory didn’t have any larger meaning.

We would’ve won if it hadn’t been for those meddling RINOs!

237 BadExampleMan  Jun 22, 2014 11:12:49pm

re: #219 KiTA

Maybe you need one of these: Youtube Video

238 palomino  Jun 22, 2014 11:29:09pm

re: #63 sattv4u2

Someone will

remember, at this stage in the game prior to the 2008 election Hillary was “THE” one. Just a formality going thru the primaries

Schweitzer was going to. Foot in mouth disease has already led to his auto-destruct.

The chances of another phenom like Obama are infinitesimally small. Hillary won’t have the same idiots running her campaign, won’t make the same caucus state mistakes, and can raise a gazillion bucks at drop of a hat.

Furthermore there’s no huge issue to differentiate her negatively from challengers. You have to remember that the Dem base was furious with her in 2008 for supporting the Iraq war. That anger has mostly faded now. The nod is hers if she wants it.

239 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 11:33:09pm

Nope, no voter intimidation here:

Funny how we didn’t hear a peep about “voter integrity” from these assholes until Cochran started appealing to black voters. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence. //////

240 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 11:34:02pm

If you want an issue, go Feingold.

The Patriot Act passed 99-1… he was the 1. Also opposed the Iraq War, and he’s much lefties on economic issues than she is (she’s very close to Goldman and the rest of the Wall Street Masters of the Universe, he’s a slightly less knowledgeable but just as populist on such issues as Elizabeth Warren.)

241 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 11:34:29pm

re: #239 Lidane

Nope, no voter intimidation here:

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Funny how we didn’t hear a peep about “voter integrity” from these assholes until Cochran started appealing to black voters. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence. //////

People can legally ignore them.

242 palomino  Jun 22, 2014 11:47:59pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. You’ve actually inspired me, because here’s my new icon:

Illinois Goes Red.

Illinois red? Not unless Chicago secedes.

243 The War TARDIS  Jun 22, 2014 11:50:01pm

re: #229 Gus

He’s been testing mine since Day 1.

244 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 11:57:57pm
245 Gus  Jun 23, 2014 12:00:36am
246 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 12:08:25am

So basically, we need to go all the way back to the WW1 land grab that arbitrarily created Iraq in the first place.

It would probably make much more sense to allow Iraq to splinter into three separate states along ethnic lines than try to fool anyone that they can live together, but if we did that there would be ARGLE BARGLE ZOMG IMPEACH about how Obama somehow allowed Iraq to fall apart when it’s barely being held together as it is.

247 The Awkward Guy  Jun 23, 2014 12:09:28am

test

248 Gus  Jun 23, 2014 12:11:59am
249 sagehen  Jun 23, 2014 12:13:52am

Goldberg has a good article on the topic..

theatlantic.com

250 Gus  Jun 23, 2014 12:14:38am
251 CuriousLurker  Jun 23, 2014 12:24:11am

re: #249 sagehen

Goldberg is usually okay, but that article annoyed the hell out of me.

252 Gus  Jun 23, 2014 12:34:59am
253 BillinGlendaleCA  Jun 23, 2014 12:41:09am

re: #252 Gus

Either that or “Being There”.

254 Alyosha  Jun 23, 2014 12:50:07am

When you think about it, the last days of proper, direct colonialism are still in our rearview mirror.

Consider the fact that only a few generations have been born since the collapse of the Ottomans, and Western powers rescinded control yesterday in the historical timeline of the area.

Then remember that during the Cold War we in the West did everything we could to undermine the nationalistic leaders of the Mid East, like Nasser by stoking nascent Islamic groups, finally settling for the various strongmen who promised stability at the expense of freedom.

That was the last act, and now, because we forgot all about the Islamist pot on the stove when the Soviet Union collapsed, our treasured hope of a stable and pliant region is slipping away.

Long time in the making, this turmoil. Long way to go.

And there are some who think invading Iraq (again) and Syria (to prove a point about ‘red lines’) will set the whole scene right again.

I don’t think I need to say what a sheer fantasy that is.

255 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 12:53:30am

re: #253 BillinGlendaleCA

Either that or “Being There”.

Being There is Republican domestic policy.

256 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 1:03:56am

re: #254 Alyosha

These are the same dipshits who think that the Confederate states would have voted to free the slaves on their own, so the Civil War was tyranny and gubmint overreach. They also think that having a “post-colonial worldview” is somehow a bad thing.

They’re not the brightest bulbs in the box.

257 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 23, 2014 1:11:43am

re: #256 Lidane

These are the same dipshits who think that the Confederate states would have voted to free the slaves on their own, so the Civil War was tyranny and gubmint overreach. They also think that having a “post-colonial worldview” is somehow a bad thing.

They’re not the brightest bulbs in the box.

These are also the guys who saw no federal government overreach in the Fugitive Slave Act. After all, property is property, even if it tries to run off.

And a “post-colonial wordview” is a fancy dog whistle code for “Mau-Mau rebels cutting white settlers’ throats”.

258 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 1:29:20am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

These are also the guys who saw no government overreach in the Fugitive Slave act. After all, property is property, even if it tries to run off.

They also try to reconcile Ayn Rand with fundamentalist Christianity. Total incoherence.

259 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 3:18:29am

Don’t forget—the guy who said all this is someone who wanted to be like a fictional character on a TV show so he could be more “American”, so much so that he even named himself after that character as a young child. It sounds to me that Jindal has never lived very comfortably within his own skin but over-adapted to please others. If he’s faking his enthusiasm for all things “American” just to be “accepted”, he’s faking it very well.

Bobby Jindal, All American

esquire.com

260 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 3:56:58am
261 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 4:11:20am

Hope our guy Wheat is OK.

Flooding hits southern China
Southern provinces have been badly affected by heavy rain.

aljazeera.com

“Southern China has been hit by heavy rainfall which has brought widespread flooding. At least 26 people are known to have died and several are still reported as missing. In total, some 3 million people have been affected by flooding across the southern provinces.

“Yunan, Guangxi and Hunan provinces seem to have borne the brunt of the rainfall which is part of the seasonal rains caused by the Meiyu-Baiu weather front. This arises from a combination of low pressure over central China and the inflow of warm, moist air from Indonesia.” More

262 jonhendry  Jun 23, 2014 4:14:00am

re: #240 sagehen

If you want an issue, go Feingold.

The Patriot Act passed 99-1… he was the 1. Also opposed the Iraq War, and he’s much lefties on economic issues than she is (she’s very close to Goldman and the rest of the Wall Street Masters of the Universe, he’s a slightly less knowledgeable but just as populist on such issues as Elizabeth Warren.)

If Feingold were elected President… OMG the Republican antisemitism that would come out of the woodwork.

263 Eventual Carrion  Jun 23, 2014 4:25:40am

re: #262 jonhendry

If Feingold were elected President… OMG the Republican antisemitism that would come out of the woodwork.

Their base would just have to change all talking point references from the blahs to references to the juice and all will keep rolling on.

264 Timothy Watson  Jun 23, 2014 4:29:51am

re: #263 Eventual Carrion

Their base would just have to change all talking point references from the blahs to references to the juice and all will keep rolling on.

The funny thing is whenever someone would call up Rush Limbaugh during the Iraq fiasco and complain about neoconservative foreign policy, Limbaugh would immediately denounce the caller and state that complaining about neoconservative foreign policy was a code phrase to complain about the Juice.

But, remember folks, it’s the Democrats who use the race card.

265 Dark_Falcon  Jun 23, 2014 4:32:59am

re: #262 jonhendry

If Feingold were elected President… OMG the Republican antisemitism that would come out of the woodwork.

He’d have to win the nomination first and the anti-Israel left would scream bloody murder about him the first time he failed to criticize anything they deemed ‘Zionist’.

The great majority of both parties are not Anti-Semitic. Anti-Semitism is a nutcase problem, not a Republican problem.

266 jonhendry  Jun 23, 2014 4:42:16am

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

“The great majority of both parties are not Anti-Semitic. Anti-Semitism is a nutcase problem, not a Republican problem.”

Sure, but as with the Obama-era racism, I think a lot of people get caught up in joining the “fun” of “being naughty” and doing taboo things like sending around racist pictures of the Obamas. So there may be a relatively small core of hardline racists, but their behavior is emulated by others.

267 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 23, 2014 4:46:11am

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

I think he could get the nomination especially if 1) he ran using the kind of campaign of humor like he shredded Bob Kasten with in 1992 2) points out his opposition to the banksters of wall street and 3) points out his belief that the 2nd amendment is an individual right (he voted against renewal of the AWB calling it a failure.).

Lord knows I can think of anyone I´d rather have as president right now if for no other reason than his principled stand against the so-called Patriot Act.

268 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 23, 2014 4:48:39am

re: #231 Gus

Yahoo visits Netanyahu.

269 Alyosha  Jun 23, 2014 4:49:14am

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

He’d have to win the nomination first and the anti-Israel left would scream bloody murder about him the first time he failed to criticize anything they deemed ‘Zionist’.

The great majority of both parties are not Anti-Semitic. Anti-Semitism is a nutcase problem, not a Republican problem.

True, the Republicans are just patronising in their use of Israel for easy political points, exploitative in use of the same for some weird, End Times wetdream and dismissive of the reality that Jews seem to identify with Democrats more than them.

270 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 4:53:11am

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

He’d have to win the nomination first and the anti-Israel left would scream bloody murder about him the first time he failed to criticize anything they deemed ‘Zionist’.

The great majority of both parties are not Anti-Semitic. Anti-Semitism is a nutcase problem, not a Republican problem.

Anti-Semitism is a Republican problem when you consider that the majority of them only “love” Jews because of their religious BS about Jews having to convert to christianity if they are to be “saved” when their fairy tale “Second Coming” and/or “Rapture” occurs.

“End Times” christianity figures in very nicely with rightwing Republican thinking. It’s the only way that they will accept people of other races and cultures.

271 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 23, 2014 4:57:04am

re: #270 Justanotherhuman

Anti-Semitism is a Republican problem when you consider that the majority of them only “love” Jews because of their religious BS about Jews having to convert to christianity if they are to be “saved” when their fairy tale “Second Coming” and/or “Rapture” occurs.

“End Times” christianity figures in very nicely with rightwing Republican thinking. It’s the only way that they will accept people of other races and cultures.

Dudebros have their Juice problem.

272 Dark_Falcon  Jun 23, 2014 4:59:22am

re: #267 William Barnett-Lewis

I think he could get the nomination especially if 1) he ran using the kind of campaign of humor like he shredded Bob Kasten with in 1992 2) points out his opposition to the banksters of wall street and 3) points out his belief that the 2nd amendment is an individual right (he voted against renewal of the AWB calling it a failure.).

Lord knows I can think of anyone I´d rather have as president right now if for no other reason than his principled stand against the so-called Patriot Act.

Let me think on that. BBL

273 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 5:08:11am

re: #271 Pie-onist Overlord

Dudebros have their Juice problem.

Yes, but for Dudebros, it’s mostly from a political, not a religious or racial perspective. For Republicans, it’s all of the above.

I’m not defending Dudebros here, although for me, the beliefs libertarians hold to be “true” are always false.

274 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 23, 2014 5:22:47am

re: #261 Justanotherhuman

Hope our guy Wheat is OK.

Flooding hits southern China
Southern provinces have been badly affected by heavy rain.

aljazeera.com

“Southern China has been hit by heavy rainfall which has brought widespread flooding. At least 26 people are known to have died and several are still reported as missing. In total, some 3 million people have been affected by flooding across the southern provinces.

“Yunan, Guangxi and Hunan provinces seem to have borne the brunt of the rainfall which is part of the seasonal rains caused by the Meiyu-Baiu weather front. This arises from a combination of low pressure over central China and the inflow of warm, moist air from Indonesia.” More

No worries. In my part of Hunan we’ve had a couple days of heavy rain. There was a mudslide that blocked a rail line and a highway on Thursday, but both are clear now. Our university’s storm sewers used to flood when I first came here, but they’ve upgraded the drainage system so students no longer need to walk on top of desks to exit their dorms.

275 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 5:25:57am

re: #274 wheat-dogghazi

Whew! Glad to know you and your students are all okay. I’m such a worry wart.
: )

276 Thorzdad  Jun 23, 2014 5:28:10am
…accused President Barack Obama and other Democrats of waging wars against religious liberty and education …

Totally serious question…What actions do these people reference when accusing Obama of “waging war against religious liberty”?

277 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 23, 2014 5:28:53am

re: #275 Justanotherhuman

Whew! Glad to know you and your students are all okay. I’m such a worry wart. : )

I appreciate the thought. As far as I know, all my students’ families are A-OK.

278 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 23, 2014 5:30:05am

re: #276 Thorzdad

Totally serious question…What actions do these people reference when accusing Obama of “waging war against religious liberty”?

BAKERS ARE FORCED TO MAKE WEDDING CAKES FOR TEH GHEY JUST LIKE THEY MAKE WEDDING CAKES FOR TEH STRAIGHT!!!!! TYRANNY!!!!!!

BUSINESS IS FORCED TO INCLUDE TEH BIRTH CONTROLS IN THERE HEALTH CARE PLAN FOR TEH SLUTS EMPLOYEES!!!!!!! TYRANNY!!!!!!

279 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 5:32:57am

Good grief. Koch Bros advertising on MSNBC? A blatant commercial, for chrissakes, giving this URL: kochcareers.com

Hey, for all the industries they own, they only have 60K employees? I’ll bet the pay is lousy and the jobs are located in some of the worst shitholes. They even advertise the factory floor jobs on their website.

The bad reputation must be taking hold. Who wants to work for someone who has no respect for you?

280 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 23, 2014 5:39:08am

re: #278 Pie-onist Overlord

BAKERS ARE FORCED TO MAKE WEDDING CAKES FOR TEH GHEY JUST LIKE THEY MAKE WEDDING CAKES FOR TEH STRAIGHT!!!!! TYRANNY!!!!!!

BUSINESS IS FORCED TO INCLUDE TEH BIRTH CONTROLS IN THERE HEALTH CARE PLAN FOR TEH SLUTS EMPLOYEES!!!!!!! TYRANNY!!!!!!

TEH GAYZ IS IN THE ARMY. SOON THE ENTIRE MILITARY WILL BE TEH GHEY!! HOW CAN GOOD CHRISTIANS SERVE THEIR COUNTRY?

281 Dr. Matt  Jun 23, 2014 5:50:03am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

It should be noted that “hostile takeover” ≠ “violent takeover”, in this case it doesn’t make enough of a difference to excuse Jindal’s word choices. The plain facts are that most people hearing his words will not draw such a distinction and his words are far too likely to cause violence.

I don’t think Gov. Jindal was actively trying to incite listeners, but he should know better than to talk as he did.

Yes, it’s obvious you don’t think…..considering your bullshit attempt to be Bobby’s chief apologist. You’re embarrassing yourself.

282 Dr. Matt  Jun 23, 2014 5:54:06am

Ugh

283 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 6:05:35am

Morning Lizards,

Hardly got any sleep last night. I’m surprised I’m so coheiw323dcke33

284 Alyosha  Jun 23, 2014 6:10:22am

re: #282 Dr. Matt

Ugh

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Can Democrats get Clinton into some kind of corn dog delivery system? Even Bachmann will swallow her.

285 darthstar  Jun 23, 2014 6:14:46am
286 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2014 6:14:54am
287 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 23, 2014 6:26:45am

LOL

288 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 6:28:35am

NYT this morning—

BAGHDAD — As Iraqi Army forces try to rally on the outskirts of Baghdad after two weeks of retreat, it has become increasingly clear to Western officials that the army will continue to suffer losses in its fight with Sunni militants and will not soon retake the ground it has ceded.

Recent assessments by Western officials and military experts indicate that about a quarter of Iraq’s military forces are “combat ineffective,” its air force is minuscule, morale among troops is low and its leadership suffers from widespread corruption.

As other nations consider whether to support military action in Iraq, their decision will hinge on the quality of Iraqi forces, which have proved far more ragged than expected given years of American training.

Wonderful. /

nytimes.com

289 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 23, 2014 6:29:48am

It’s a damn shame how casually and easily the haters can frame the argument like about Hilary Clinton running. The demographic surge is trending younger. That’s a group that (IMO) will resist DC establishment figures and take vibrant over experienced.

I have no idea how that plays out on the right… Not well in any case.

290 Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2014 6:32:15am

re: #217 Gus

All they did was hit 9 targets in the Golan Heights. Not the same. Apples and oranges.

Apples and oranges are fruit, and fruit is gay! We aren’t gay and we hate you for suggesting we are!

291 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 23, 2014 6:35:55am

Here is the real Top 10 2016 GOP platform (in order of importance):

1. funnel as much $$$ government money as possible to Oil and MIL friends and cronies as possible. No-bid contracts are better than the “free market”.

2. Use all government assets and the military to help bring Jesus back. -the white, M-16 toting US flag-draped version of Jesus who will lead the US Army to create a Evangelical version of Israel and wipe out Muslims.

3. Eliminate all taxes, especially and starting with those taxes that affect the upper 0.1%. The tax cuts will pay for themselves.

4. get rid of the gheys

5. Repeal everything and re-write the Constitution to bring the 1800’s back. (the fantasy Gone with the Wind version of the 1850’s.) Combine it with the Andy Griffith Show and you have Tea Party Heaven.

5. Get rid of all the Liberals. (by any means necessary).

6. Get rid of all sex education. Everyone knows that fathers are the best sources of sex education (when they decide to talk about it at all, which is hardly ever).

7. Pass legislation to eliminate Science from America. -except Science directly related to extracting oil out of the ground and science directly related to dropping bombs and killing (brown skinned) people.

8. Fund Creationist museums and schools throughout the country.

9. Each state can secede whenever they want for whatever reason.

10. Immigration will be eliminated. All immigrants (brown and black skinned people in general are not welcome, and will be encouraged to leave.

There you have it. The Top 10 2016 GOP planks. Enjoy your New America, free of Liberals, non-whites, and non-Evangelicals.

*it should be noted that with no taxes coming in and increased spending for the military and Creationist museums, debt will explode but since Jesus is coming back soon anyway, it really does’t matter.

292 Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2014 6:37:52am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

These are also the guys who saw no federal government overreach in the Fugitive Slave Act. After all, property is property, even if it tries to run off.

And a “post-colonial wordview” is a fancy dog whistle code for “Mau-Mau rebels cutting white settlers’ throats”.

Read about the Mau-Maus recently. Perhaps the most incompetent guerrilla uprising ever.

293 Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2014 6:39:03am

re: #258 Lidane

They also try to reconcile Ayn Rand with fundamentalist Christianity. Total incoherence.

It’s actually quite simple.

I’ll believe anything if it gives me more power and excuses to use it whenever I want to whoever I want.

294 darthstar  Jun 23, 2014 6:39:46am
295 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 6:40:04am

re:
#291

#9 only applies if a Democrat Party illegally holds the White House, which can happen if they get 270 electoral votes. Then any state can secede whenever they want for whatever reason. But if a true American GOP wins the White House then no state can secede ever and we will all owe our uncritical allegiance to the party in the WH and whatever policies or wars it wants to initiate.

296 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 6:46:14am

Hillary Clinton Derangement Syndrome is starting much earlier than I would have predicted.

297 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 23, 2014 6:46:34am

re: #291 Rocky-in-Connecticut

You’ve hit the nail on the head. For the truly faithful, it really doesn’t matter what they do now, because they expect to be called up into heaven when the Big J makes his re-appearance. So, cut down all the trees, suck up all the oil, drain all the aquifers, because Jesus is coming! And His Father will make sure everything goes swimmingly until then.

298 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 23, 2014 6:51:08am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If I´d put up the original sign, I´d put up another sign edited to say ¨without further notice, smartass.¨

299 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 6:58:18am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

LOL

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Yes, there are questions. It’s not as though this country doesn’t like electing millionaires, though, is it?

As Hillary Clinton soars, questions shadow lucrative speaking tour

reuters.com

What I don’t get about the Clintons, though, is the recent report that people still love Bill while savaging Hillary. Bill, who actually has made most of the money in the 13 years since he left office. Bill, who Hillary stood beside and was praised for doing so. Bill, who even now commands huge speaking fees and is considered an elder statesman.

Maybe Hillary should have had a young intern perform cunnilingus on her and her approval ratings would go up.

Or maybe she should have been born a man.

300 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 7:00:15am

re:
#299

She should also be much nicer to our important press people and not all snippy and snarly and stuff.

Hey, did you see the way that masculine manly man Chris Christie yelled at that reporter? It was so cool, he’s so authentic.

301 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 23, 2014 7:01:15am

WTFITS
If this is a “parody” account where is the humor?

302 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 23, 2014 7:01:41am

This little guy showed up this morning in my backyard. My wife discovered him when she heard my dog barking and trying play with it. Mama deer is nowhere to be seen. I called the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency and she told me it was probably born last night. The mother will come back this evening to feed it. We are supposed to keep the dog away from it which is driving him nuts.

Good morning world!

303 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 23, 2014 7:02:34am

IT WAS A HATE CRIME YOU DUMB SHIT.

304 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 7:05:25am

re:
#303

Barbwire

Pfffthtt

305 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 7:06:32am

re:
#303

I thought RWNJ respected private property.

306 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 7:08:23am

Creeping Sharia!!!1

307 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 7:11:51am

re: #302 NJDhockeyfan

This little guy showed up this morning in my backyard. My wife discovered him when she heard my dog barking and trying play with it. Mama deer is nowhere to be seen. I called the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency and she told me it was probably born last night. The mother will come back this evening to feed it. We are supposed to keep the dog away from it which is driving him nuts.

Good morning world!

Awwww!

308 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 23, 2014 7:15:15am

re: #299 Justanotherhuman

She needs to stop talking about her net worth. It isn’t connecting with the public. Her and Bill together are worth more than $100 million. She’s coming across like just another rich person who is full of shit.

309 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 7:15:45am

Palestinian released in Shalit swap charged in murder of Israeli police officer

Two Palestinians were charged Monday with the murder of a senior Israeli police officer. The two were arrested last month, Israel’s security forces revealed after a gag order on the case was lifted.

Israel Police Chief Superintendent Baruch Mizrahi was killed on April 14, on the eve of the Passover holiday, when a gunman fired on his car. Mizrahi and his wife, who was moderately wounded, were making their way to Kiryat Arba, where they were planning to celebrate the holiday. A 9-year-old boy who was riding in a nearby car was lightly hurt as well.

310 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 7:18:59am

re: #308 NJDhockeyfan

She needs to stop talking about her net worth. It isn’t connecting with the public. Her and Bill together are worth more than $100 million. She’s coming across like just another rich person who is full of shit.

I have only a passing interest in Hilary’s wealth but it’s not really her problem. I don’t know why we insist on electing super wealthy people who can fake “everyman” appeal. It’s part of our dysfunction as a society, not really her fault.

311 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2014 7:20:29am
312 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 7:21:05am

Even though Obama’s poll numbers as president are sagging he’s going to make money hand over fist once he leaves office. I think he’ll easily break all the previous records for speaker fees. He’ll be a rockstar.

313 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 7:26:53am

re: #308 NJDhockeyfan

Lol, compared to the craziness of her likely GOP opponents?
Yeah, I’ll take her over anti-science, anti-government loons any day.

314 Stanley Sea  Jun 23, 2014 7:30:33am

Hahaha the Google Doodle!!!

‘Morning!

316 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 7:30:47am

Well, I can’t wait to read this decision.

Supreme Court says EPA lacks authority in some cases to force companies to evaluate ways to reduce carbon dioxide emissions - @AP
End of alert

There are other ways to “force” companies to do the right thing, though.

Just as I don’t buy anything knowingly made by the Koch Bros, I would not buy from companies that continue to wreck the planet.

If that means I consume less, so much the better.

317 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2014 7:32:33am

re: #316 Justanotherhuman

opinion here (PDF).

318 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 23, 2014 7:33:02am

re: #313 Varek Raith

Lol, compared to the craziness of her likely GOP opponents?
Yeah, I’ll take her over anti-science, anti-government loons any day.

I know you will. It doesn’t matter who runs against her, she already has your vote. The people she’s trying to win over are the moderated Dems and Reps plus the Independents who are going to decide who wins.

319 piratedan  Jun 23, 2014 7:33:29am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

yeah I’m sure he’ll live a life of comfort and ease in his post presidential years considering how gently the media and his political opponents have demonized him.

I’m sure all of that wingnut rage that has been whipped up over the last six years will dissipate into the wind with nary anything but a fond remembrance of “the good old days” of political brinksmanship and bipartisan rancour, right?

320 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 7:40:00am

re: #319 piratedan

I think Obama will do something like Carter’s Habitat for Humanity. He’ll pick some uncontroversial domestic social cause helping poor people or something.

321 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 7:40:06am

re:
#315

He sounds nice….

322 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 7:41:00am

re: #320 Killgore Trout

I think Obama will do something like Carter’s Habitat for Humanity. He’ll pick some uncontroversial domestic social cause helping poor people or something.

Which will be controversial to the wingnuts.
Come on, man.

323 Jayleia  Jun 23, 2014 7:41:19am

re: #156 jaunte

ME!

EDIT: About that…yeah, we’re basically North Mississippi, that’s not something we say here when we’re being polite.

324 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 7:41:43am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

opinion here (PDF).

Scalia wrote the opinion with Thomas looking over his shoulder.

We are so screwed as long as the SC is dominated by these troglodytes.

326 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 7:44:57am

But remember kids, Hillary’s money.

327 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 7:45:45am

re: #315 Varek Raith

Georgia GOP candidate Jody Hice: Muslims not protected by the First Amendment
HILLARY’S MONEY

Baptist minister with his own radio bully pulpit.

Definitely wants christian theocratic rule in the US and a return to “male authority”.

en.wikipedia.org

328 piratedan  Jun 23, 2014 7:46:02am

re: #320 Killgore Trout

he may very well do that, but for the rest of his life, he’ll have a surveyor’s symbol on him (and his entire family). I find it exceptionally naive of you to believe otherwise (or perhaps I’m just exceptionally cynical).

329 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 23, 2014 7:50:59am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

Even though Obama’s poll numbers as president are sagging he’s going to make money hand over fist once he leaves office. I think he’ll easily break all the previous records for speaker fees. He’ll be a rockstar.

That is what ex-Presidents do. And not undeservedly so, he made history as US President, and not just for being the first black President, but for his ground-breaking health care reform and his role in aiding the US economy in recovering from the 2008 crisis.

330 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 7:52:46am

re: #329 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That is what ex-Presidents do. And not undeservedly so, he made history as US President, and not just for being the first black President, but for his ground-breaking health care reform and his role in aiding the US economy in recovering from the 2008 crisis.

I think maybe healthcare would be a good choice for his pet cause, it would certainly be something that would continue his legacy.

331 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 23, 2014 7:53:17am

“What is that green thing?”

332 bratwurst  Jun 23, 2014 7:54:11am

Wait…people who voted for John McCain (who literally lost count of how many houses he has) and Mitt Romney (who has elevators for his cars, offshore accounts, and whose wife talked about their “lean years” in her convention speech) are concerned about Hillary’s wealth and ow she talks about it? Really?!?!?

And this too:

334 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 7:58:33am

Update on this douchebag: Husband of slain Iraqi woman faces US sentencing

An Iraqi immigrant could get life in prison for his wife’s fatal beating, which initially drew international condemnation when authorities believed it was a hate crime.

335 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 8:00:57am

Shock and awe! Intense and sustained!
John Kerry says US support to Iraq will be ‘intense and sustained’

US secretary of state John Kerry said on Monday that Washington’s support for Iraqi security forces will be “intense and sustained” to help them combat a militant insurgency that has swept through the country’s north and west. Kerry said that during talks he had with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki in Baghdad on Wednesday, the Iraqi leader reaffirmed his commitment to a 1 July date for forming a new government.

336 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 23, 2014 8:03:02am
337 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 23, 2014 8:03:49am

re: #320 Killgore Trout

Republican and Limbaugh heads will explode if Obama concentrates any charitable organization he leads on giving political voice to the poor with attention to poor West Virginia regional whites.

The prospect of even entertaining the thought of losing the votes and support of the no-information white voters in extreme-poverty areas makes right wing heads just melt from nuclear implosion. Even if the average white voter still votes against his own economic self interest and votes Republican/Tea Party the notion that even 1 white vote could turn to Democrat is enough to give them the hizzies.

338 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 23, 2014 8:03:51am

re: #320 Killgore Trout

Your concern for his future is noted.

339 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 23, 2014 8:05:30am

re: #292 Romantic Heretic

Read about the Mau-Maus recently. Perhaps the most incompetent guerrilla uprising ever.

But for dog-whistlers like Newt Gingrich, that is the image of what will happen in America if “those people” take over…

340 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 8:05:40am

re: #296 Bulworth

Hillary Clinton Derangement Syndrome is starting much earlier than I would have predicted.

LOL no. It’s just flaring up again. Hillary Derangement Syndrome has existed on the right since 1992.

341 Dr. Matt  Jun 23, 2014 8:06:29am
I think Obama will do something like Carter’s Habitat for Humanity. He’ll pick some uncontroversial domestic social cause helping poor people or something.

Nothing is “uncontroversial” to the unhinged GOP.

342 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 8:06:56am

re:
#333

He/she doesn’t seem scared….

343 Dr. Matt  Jun 23, 2014 8:07:40am

Ah, now this is fun:

344 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 8:12:38am
345 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2014 8:15:05am
346 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 8:16:29am

re: #291 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Use all government assets and the military to help bring Jesus back. -the white, M-16 toting US flag-draped version of Jesus who will lead the US Army to create a Evangelical version of Israel and wipe out Muslims.

347 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 8:17:28am

re:
#344

Challenge Accepted!!!

348 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 8:18:06am
349 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 8:19:27am

re:
#346

Go home, Christianity. You’re drunk.

350 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 8:19:43am

re: #325 Varek Raith

Obama Wants to Protect the Food Supply, So Naturally Conservatives Are Pissed

Oh, this is hilarious! Because it’s so true.

“Since “fruits, nuts, and vegetables” don’t sound all that important to many Americans, let me put it in terms that conservatives can relate to: without bees, there would be no Jalapeno poppers, no Almond Joy, no denim (what will you wear to your traditional weddings?), no deep-fried anything. Oh, I bet that last one got your attention.”

351 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 8:19:57am

READY! FIRE! AIM!

352 Dr. Matt  Jun 23, 2014 8:22:56am

re: #351 Lidane

READY! FIRE! AIM!

Laura Ingraham Battles Tea Party Groups Over Credit For Cantor’s Upset @TPM t.co
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) June 23, 2014

Pass the popcorn

353 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 23, 2014 8:24:57am

“Cheese!”

354 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 8:25:34am
355 Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2014 8:26:39am

re: #348 Lidane

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So Scott Lively and the late Ayatollah Khomeini are in complete agreement.

Good to know.

*smh*

356 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 23, 2014 8:30:00am

MSNBC:

Hillary Clinton stumbles on money questions

Hillary Clinton has a money problem.

Twice in the last month, the former secretary of state has been tripped up by questions related to her personal wealth, which is estimated to be as high as tens of millions of dollars.

In an interview with The Guardian published Saturday, Clinton responded to a question about whether her impressive net worth would undermine her ability to critique income inequality.

“They don’t see me as part of the problem,” Clinton reportedly responded, “because we pay ordinary income tax, unlike a lot of people who are truly well off, not to name names; and we’ve done it through dint of hard work.”

Clinton appeared to be alluding to millionaires like Mitt Romney whose wealth comes primarily from investment income that is taxed at lower rates than the speaking fees and book sales that have buoyed her and her husband over the years. But Clinton may want to hold off before suggesting her taxes are so ordinary: A report in Bloomberg this month detailed how she and and her husband employ techniques commonly used by ultra-wealthy families to reduce estate tax bills for their heirs. The apparent contrast between the Clintons and the “truly well off” seems pretty minor as well for a couple firmly in the 1%.

Earlier this month, Clinton said in an interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer that she and her husband were “dead broke” when they left the White House and explained they “struggled to piece together the resources for mortgages for houses, for Chelsea’s education.”

It’s true that Clinton and her husband carried millions in legal debts after years of Republican-led investigations, but it wasn’t a form of poverty or “struggle” most Americans would recognize given that the family could - and did - replenish their coffers through lavish speaking fees and book deals.

357 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 23, 2014 8:30:50am

re: #356 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC:

Hillary Clinton stumbles on money questions

Mitt Romney never had one.

358 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 8:33:50am

re: #353 NJDhockeyfan

“Cheese!”

Apple!

359 b.d.  Jun 23, 2014 8:34:22am

re: #353 NJDhockeyfan

D’oh, a deer.

360 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 23, 2014 8:35:37am

re: #358 Killgore Trout

Apple!

I had to remove the apple. They told me not to feed it of give it water. It has to nurse first.

361 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 8:36:33am

Since I got a late start warming up to Game of Thrones I’m going to go back and watch the entire series from the start. That should keep me busy for a while.

362 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 8:37:02am

re: #360 NJDhockeyfan

I had to remove the apple. They told me not to feed it of give it water. It has to nurse first.

Ah, good plan.

363 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 23, 2014 8:38:32am

re: #361 Killgore Trout

Since I got a late start warming up to Game of Thrones I’m going to go back and watch the entire series from the start. That should keep me busy for a while.

I have not watched it at all. Girlfriend just got the first two episodes from her video rental, so I guess we will give it a go and see what everyone is on about.

364 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 23, 2014 8:40:56am

re: #296 Bulworth

Hillary Clinton Derangement Syndrome is starting much earlier than I would have predicted.

I know. I thought the Dems would have waited a while first.

WaPo:

Some Democrats fear Clinton’s wealth and ‘imperial image’ could be damaging in 2016

When Hillary Rodham Clinton said this month that she was once “dead broke,” it was during an interview in which she led ABC News anchor Diane Sawyer through her $5 million Washington home, appointed like an ambassador’s mansion. Mahogany antiques, vibrant paintings and Oriental rugs fill the rooms. French doors open onto an expertly manicured garden and a turquoise swimming pool, where Clinton recently posed for the cover of People magazine.

On her current book tour, the former secretary of state has traveled the country by private jet as she has for many of her speaking engagements since stepping down as secretary of state last year. Her fee is said to be upwards of $200,000 per speech; the exceptions tend to be black-tie charity galas, where she collects awards and catches up with friends such as designer Oscar de la Renta and Vogue editor Anna Wintour.

Such scenes reveal a potentially serious political problem for Clinton as she considers a 2016 presidential run: She and her husband are established members of the 1 percent, leading lives far removed from the millions of middle-class voters who swing elections.

…Some influential Democrats — including former advisers to President Obama — said in interviews last week they fear that Clinton’s personal wealth and rarefied, cloistered lifestyle could jeopardize the Democratic Party’s historic edge with the middle class that powered Obama’s wins.

“I don’t know whether it’s just that she’s been ‘Madam Secretary’ for so long, but she’s generating an imperial image,” said Dick Harpootlian, who recently stepped down as Democratic Party chairman in South Carolina, which hosts an early presidential primary.

Harpootlian, who backed Obama over Clinton in 2008 and is a longtime ally of Vice President Biden, added: “She’s been living 30, going on 40 years with somebody bringing your coffee to you every morning. Is it more ‘Downton Abbey’ than it is America?”

Multiple Obama campaign advisers — who spoke only on the condition of anonymity to avoid alienating the Clintons — said they fear Clinton’s financial status could hurt her as it did Republican nominee Mitt Romney, whom Obama portrayed in 2012 as an out-of-touch plutocrat at a time of economic uncertainty.

“It’s going to be a massive issue for her,” one Obama adviser said. “When you’re somebody like the secretary of state or president of the United States or first lady, you’re totally cut off [from normal activity], so your perception of the middle-class reality gets frozen in a time warp.”

Asked what Democrats should do, the adviser said: “Panic.”

365 Eventual Carrion  Jun 23, 2014 8:41:37am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

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In greenhouse gas cases, SCOTUS (5-4) limits EPA regulation of global warming pollutants

Wonder who is going to decide the limits then?

366 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 8:42:14am

Most amusing.

367 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 23, 2014 8:44:06am

re: #365 Eventual Carrion

Wonder who is going to decide the limits then?

THE FREE MARKET!!!

368 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 8:44:52am

re: #363 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I have not watched it at all. Girlfriend just got the first two episodes from her video rental, so I guess we will give it a go and see what everyone is on about.

I don’t really like the genre of dragons and giants and usually “relationships” in fiction bore me. But GoT does relationships in a very interesting way, characters interact in interesting ways even if I can’t follow the very complicated plot. Also the female characters are exceptionally good, uniquely feminine with their own strengths and weaknesses. All the characters are shitty in their own way, there are no real good guys, they’re all assholes.

369 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 23, 2014 8:45:18am

the first 2 episodes are the most important to know just what the H*ll is going on because there are so many characters and plot lines. Those two episodes spin off the rest of the series.

Also noticeable are the larger shooting budgets and much better FX as the series gained momentum.

370 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 8:45:39am

re: #368 Killgore Trout

I don’t really like the genre of dragons and giants and usually “relationships” in fiction bore me. But GoT does relationships in a very interesting way, characters interact in interesting ways even if I can’t follow the very complicated plot. Also the female characters are exceptionally good, uniquely feminine with their own strengths and weaknesses. All the characters are shitty in their own way, there are no real good guys, they’re all assholes.

Read the books too.

371 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2014 8:46:25am

re: #365 Eventual Carrion

Wonder who is going to decide the limits then?

self-regulation!

372 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 8:47:15am

re: #370 Varek Raith

Read the books too.

I might do that. If I had picked up the books first I probably would have quickly given up but the series is so well done that I stuck with it enough to get hooked.

373 Dr. Matt  Jun 23, 2014 8:47:53am

Our librul media: Mitt’s wealth was applauded, Hillary’s wealth is questioned.

374 CriticalDragon1177  Jun 23, 2014 8:48:04am

Charles Johnson,

And of course Bobby Jindal won’t take any responsibility if someone commits an act of terrorism on US and credits him as inspiration.

Also Obama is violating religious liberty? I’m sorry Jindal, but its people like you and your party that are doing that.

375 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 8:49:39am

re: #372 Killgore Trout

I might do that. If I had picked up the books first I probably would have quickly given up but the series is so well done that I stuck with it enough to get hooked.

That’s true.
I’ve read the books but don’t really care for the show.
Ah well.

376 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 8:49:59am
377 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 8:50:11am

re:
#364

Asked what Democrats should do, the adviser said: “Panic.”

It’s almost as if there are Democrats who might have a stake in rival campaigns.

378 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 23, 2014 8:51:42am

Parody account:

379 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 8:52:11am

re:
#373

Mitt created his wealth by being a job creator Hillary got rich on Whitewater and selling books!!111

380 CriticalDragon1177  Jun 23, 2014 8:54:29am

re: #346 Lidane


Guns for Jesus?

381 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 8:55:01am

Who’s more out of touch;
Hillary or a party where most of it’s adherents think the Earth is 6000 years old and that AGW is some kind of global conspiracy to something?
Tough choice.

382 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 8:57:56am

The GOP and Fox News but I repeat myself must be extremely confident of their field given the hysteria they’re already demonstrating towards Hillary.

383 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 8:58:07am

Agenda 21!

384 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 9:00:09am

Bottom line: Hillary is the only Democratic candidate the GOP is worried about.

385 Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2014 9:00:56am

re: #382 Bulworth

The GOP and Fox News but I repeat myself must be extremely confident of their field given the hysteria they’re already demonstrating towards Hillary.

Heh. They’re scared shitless they’re going to end up with a nothingburger as the GOP standard bearer come 2016.

Even worse…..a wingnut whackjob that fires up the base, but scares everyone else to death, thereby ensuring an electoral debacle.

386 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 9:01:37am

re: #381 Varek Raith

Who’s more out of touch;
Hillary or a party where most of it’s adherents think the Earth is 6000 years old and that AGW is some kind of global conspiracy to something?
Tough choice.

“Hillary is too old! She’ll be a grandmother by the time 2016 comes around!”

“Mitt Romney is a few months older than Hillary and he’s got 22 grandkids.”

“BENGHAZI! BRAIN DAMAGE! VINCE FOSTER! DEFENSE ATTORNEY!”

387 Targetpractice  Jun 23, 2014 9:04:06am

re: #382 Bulworth

The GOP and Fox News but I repeat myself must be extremely confident of their field given the hysteria they’re already demonstrating towards Hillary.

I think the GOP’s worst fear right now is that they spend the next two years slagging Hillary, only for another newbie to come out of left field and snag the nomination from her.

388 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 9:04:19am

Happened to notice on the Fox News screen at my gym this Saturday some sort of pundit roundtable with the chryon stating very unbiasedly and nonpartisanly Hillary’s Hypocrisy.

Really guys. It’s early. Don’t wear yourselves out so soon.

389 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 23, 2014 9:04:44am

re: #386 Lidane

“Hillary is too old! She’ll be a grandmother by the time 2016 comes around!”

“Mitt Romney is a few months older than Hillary and he’s got 22 grandkids.”

“BENGHAZI! BRAIN DAMAGE! VINCE FOSTER! DEFENSE ATTORNEY!”

Bush V Clinton 2016
//

390 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 9:05:19am

Sandusky isn’t getting out of jail any time soon, no matter how much denial his supporters exhibit. And how much is that denial costing the taxpayers of PA?

Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane on more Jerry Sandusky victims: ‘2 individuals have indicated they were abused by Sandusky in the fall of 2009’ - live video
End of alert

Head of Jerry Sandusky case review, Geoffrey Moulton, says more victims could have been found earlier if Sandusky’s home had been searched earlier - live video
End of alert

391 Eventual Carrion  Jun 23, 2014 9:05:32am

re: #327 Justanotherhuman

Baptist minister with his own radio bully pulpit.

Definitely wants christian theocratic rule in the US and a return to “male authority”.

en.wikipedia.org

Then the gun fuckers aren’t protected by the 2nd. If the possibility of radicalization is the cornerstone of if an amendment applies to you (or your group), then those fuckers have lost their right.

392 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 9:05:51am
393 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 9:07:31am

re:
#391

Dr. Jody Hice is an American syndicated radio show host…

You don’t say.

Starting to think it might be a requirement in GOPteabag circles to have had a radio talk show to qualify as a candidate.

394 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 9:09:52am

Not that any of this matters.
Obama is to declare martial law and install himself as Emperor of the Known Universe.

395 Targetpractice  Jun 23, 2014 9:09:59am

I remember how sure the GOP was convinced in 2008 that they’d be running against Hillary in the fall and geared their entire smear campaign against her. They wrote off Obama as young, inexperienced, and untempered, leaving them sure that he was just in the running for the street cred. I still remember listening to Rush opine at length about how the “Clinton Political Machine” would crush Obama and grind him into dust.

396 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 23, 2014 9:10:13am

re: #363 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I have not watched it at all. Girlfriend just got the first two episodes from her video rental, so I guess we will give it a go and see what everyone is on about.

Imagine the War of the Roses as done in a fantasy world. Then imagine that Richard the III as Shakespeare concieved him would be the nicest & most ethical character in the series. Then realize that no one gets out alive.

It´s post-modern fantasy with a fixation on killing characters and being anti-heroic that I really don’t think is anywhere near as good as it´s cracked up to be. I got halfway through the first book, threw it away & re-read The Fionavar Tapestry by Guy Gavriel Kay as brain bleach.

397 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 9:10:30am

re:
#394

He was going to.

But Operation American Spring put a stop to that.

398 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 9:11:58am

re:
#395

I still remember listening to Rush opine at length about how the “Clinton Political Machine” would crush Obama and grind him into dust.

You mean, Rush wasn’t right?

399 Dr. Matt  Jun 23, 2014 9:17:40am

re: #398 Bulworth

re:
#395

You mean, Rush wasn’t right?

No, but his “Operation Chaos” was an absolute hit.

400 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 9:18:11am

re: #395 Targetpractice

I remember how sure the GOP was convinced in 2008 that they’d be running against Hillary in the fall and geared their entire smear campaign against her. They wrote off Obama as young, inexperienced, and untempered, leaving them sure that he was just in the running for the street cred. I still remember listening to Rush opine at length about how the “Clinton Political Machine” would crush Obama and grind him into dust.

Limpballs had fossilized his hate onto the Clintons for so long it took a bit of time for him to direct it at Pres Obama, but it appears it didn’t take him very long.

401 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 9:20:38am

re:
#400

The hate is easily transferable to any Democratic candidate

402 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 9:21:31am

Earth has warmest May on record; may signal warmest year in pipeline - @capitalweather
Read more on washingtonpost.com

403 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 9:24:13am

re: #402 Justanotherhuman

Earth has warmest May on record; may signal warmest year in pipeline - @capitalweather
Read more on washingtonpost.com

HOAX!!111ty

404 Dr. Matt  Jun 23, 2014 9:24:58am

re: #403 Varek Raith

HOAX!!111ty

Unskew the data!!!!!!1111

405 Targetpractice  Jun 23, 2014 9:27:15am

So, on further reflection, it seems that SCOTUS further reinforced their previous decision that the EPA can regulate CO2 emissions.

406 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2014 9:28:53am
407 Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2014 9:29:06am

re: #361 Killgore Trout

Since I got a late start warming up to Game of Thrones I’m going to go back and watch the entire series from the start. That should keep me busy for a while.

Don’t get attached to anybody. They’re lucky if they die.

408 Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2014 9:30:13am

re: #365 Eventual Carrion

Wonder who is going to decide the limits then?

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

THE FREE MARKET!!!

As long as there are enough people to support a free market, which might not be for much longer.

409 Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2014 9:30:55am

re: #368 Killgore Trout

I don’t really like the genre of dragons and giants and usually “relationships” in fiction bore me. But GoT does relationships in a very interesting way, characters interact in interesting ways even if I can’t follow the very complicated plot. Also the female characters are exceptionally good, uniquely feminine with their own strengths and weaknesses. All the characters are shitty in their own way, there are no real good guys, they’re all assholes.

True, but Tyrion is my kind of asshole.

411 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 9:32:44am

re: #410 Dr. Matt

The GOP outreach in action:

RNC spokeswoman claims pro-immigration MD Gov. O’Malley is ‘Hispandering’ to voters

*_*

412 Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2014 9:34:39am

re: #410 Dr. Matt

The GOP outreach in action:

RNC spokeswoman claims pro-immigration MD Gov. O’Malley is ‘Hispandering’ to voters

Rebranding, outreach, etc.

So much fail.

413 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 9:36:50am

re:
#410

The neologism “Hispander” was popularized by Rush Limbaugh…

Wait, I think I see the problem here….

414 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 9:37:00am
415 Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2014 9:37:23am

re: #370 Varek Raith

Read the books too.

This will fill people in nicely. Warning: spoilers.

Youtube Video

416 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 9:38:30am

re:
#414

OFFS

417 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 9:39:47am
418 Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2014 9:42:15am

re: #376 Lidane

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The double patriots strike again.

419 Eventual Carrion  Jun 23, 2014 9:44:31am

re: #394 Varek Raith

Not that any of this matters.
Obama is to declare martial law and install himself as Emperor of the Known Universe.

Can’t have it, I have already declared myself as holder of that title.

420 GunstarGreen  Jun 23, 2014 9:46:39am

See, the angles going after Clinton because of her wealth is funny because it pretends that any president in the past 100 years or so has had any fucking clue what it’s like to be a non-rich person in the United States of America.

421 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 9:49:38am

re: #409 Romantic Heretic

True, but Tyrion is my kind of asshole.

Tyrion is such a great character. I really like him a lot. Also, this exists:

422 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 9:51:59am

re: #417 Lidane

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They charge an extra $5 to put the guy in the photo, too.

423 The War TARDIS  Jun 23, 2014 9:52:49am

And I didn’t get the GIS Job. Wasn’t “local enough.” It was in Guthrie, I live in South OKC.

The place I am at makes now allowances for being able pray on Fridays. I am getting worn out again. Because despite all of my best efforts, nothing will go my way.

424 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 9:53:59am

re: #423 The War TARDIS

And I didn’t get the GIS Job. Wasn’t “local enough.” It was in Guthrie, I live in South OKC.

The place I am at makes now allowances for being able pray on Fridays. I am getting worn out again. Because despite all of my best efforts, nothing will go my way.

Welcome to life. : )

425 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 9:54:46am

$5 less if people have to guess who’s the baby daddy.

426 The War TARDIS  Jun 23, 2014 9:54:58am

I want to stay here, as this is where my emotional support is. Mom is telling me to move down to Texas, near them, but she is the only source of support down there. My Dad is still an Emotionally Abusive person.

427 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 9:55:10am

Edward Klein, whose book, The Amateur, was so influential in Mitt Romney’s defeat of Barack Obama in 2012, is out with another smash hit title full of gossip and innuendo detailing with confirmed facts the Blood Feud!!1 between the Obamas and Clintons.

Not sure whose blood was supposedly spilled between the Obamas and Clintons but who cares it works as a title for us. — wingnut publishing

428 The War TARDIS  Jun 23, 2014 9:55:20am

re: #424 Justanotherhuman

That’s really not helping.

429 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 9:56:06am

re: #414 Lidane

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Oh, for chrissakes. : )

430 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 23, 2014 9:56:27am

re: #428 The War TARDIS

That’s really not helping.

Have you gotten into therapy yet?

You need to get therapy.

431 Eventual Carrion  Jun 23, 2014 9:57:26am

re: #428 The War TARDIS

That’s really not helping.

Taking life as it is is much more helpful than being disappointed that it isn’t what you “want” it to be.

432 GunstarGreen  Jun 23, 2014 9:57:33am

re: #417 Lidane

Weird. For once, the Organic version is cheaper.

433 Stanley Sea  Jun 23, 2014 9:58:48am

Tardis you need to get into therapy.

434 The War TARDIS  Jun 23, 2014 10:01:44am

re: #433 Stanley Sea

I don’t have the money.

435 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 23, 2014 10:02:46am

re: #427 Bulworth

Edward Klein, whose book, The Amateur, was so influential in Mitt Romney’s defeat of Barack Obama in 2012, is out with another smash hit title full of gossip and innuendo detailing with confirmed facts the Blood Feud!!1 between the Obamas and Clintons.

Not sure whose blood was supposedly spilled between the Obamas and Clintons but who cares it works as a title for us. — wingnut publishing

Things got a bit nasty in the election and it could have caused a permanent rift in the Democratic party if Obama hadn’t chosen Hillary for Secretary of State. Then Bill Clinton gave that amazing speech during the election and closed any possible breach even more.

For the next two years we’re going to get lots of ‘concern’ about Hillary’s wealth and how she attacked Obama in the campaign. It will mostly be coming from right-wingers.

436 wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2014 10:03:14am

re: #428 The War TARDIS

That’s really not helping.

Well, how about this, then?

re: #430 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Have you gotten into therapy yet?

You need to get therapy.

Oh,

re: #434 The War TARDIS

I don’t have the money.

Bullshit. It’s covered by insurance, which, if you have none at this point, is your next task.

Next deflection?

437 Stanley Sea  Jun 23, 2014 10:03:50am

re: #434 The War TARDIS

I don’t have the money.

See WW.

438 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 10:06:19am

Pretty amazing that almost 1000 people have read Hillary Clinton’s new memoir all the way through enough to post Amazon reviews of it.

What a country.

/

439 wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2014 10:06:21am

re: #437 Stanley Sea

See WW.

Also, most counties will have some kind of sliding-scale clinic.

440 Decatur Deb  Jun 23, 2014 10:07:00am

re: #426 The War TARDIS

I want to stay here, as this is where my emotional support is. Mom is telling me to move down to Texas, near them, but she is the only source of support down there. My Dad is still an Emotionally Abusive person.

Stay at least one airline changeover from your family.

441 Targetpractice  Jun 23, 2014 10:07:06am

re: #427 Bulworth

Edward Klein, whose book, The Amateur, was so influential in Mitt Romney’s defeat of Barack Obama in 2012, is out with another smash hit title full of gossip and innuendo detailing with confirmed facts the Blood Feud!!1 between the Obamas and Clintons.

Not sure whose blood was supposedly spilled between the Obamas and Clintons but who cares it works as a title for us. — wingnut publishing

Indeed, and apparently Klein believes Hillary and the President are time travelers, because he says that by 10pm, Hillary was “thoroughly briefed” about the attacks in Benghazi…attacks that didn’t happen until 11:15pm.

442 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 23, 2014 10:07:13am

re: #434 The War TARDIS

I don’t have the money.

Therapists who do sliding scale payments are all over. Spend energy pursuing it.

443 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 10:08:33am

re: #428 The War TARDIS

That’s really not helping.

I’m not trying to be mean or dismissive, but you need to realize that what we think is “ideal” never is. Otherwise, we would all be skipping down the path picking daisies.

People are going to be a lot meaner than you think that comment was in your lifetime. We may think it doesn’t have to be that way, but it is. Trust me on that one and just look around at the world.

And yes, a therapist will help. Check your insurance.

444 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 10:12:29am

re:
#441

That’s just how tricky and sinister the Clintons and the Obamas are!!

/

445 GunstarGreen  Jun 23, 2014 10:18:07am

re: #438 Bulworth

Pretty amazing that almost 1000 people have read Hillary Clinton’s new memoir all the way through enough to post Amazon reviews of it.

What a country.

/

How To Win A Fight With A Liberal
How To Win A Fight With A Conservative

Political books: Playing the stupid fanboy rubes like a harp since pretty much forever.

446 BeachDem  Jun 23, 2014 10:18:57am

So let me get this straight.

It’s a travesty that a former First Lady, former Senator, former Secretary of State travels by private jet and gets $200,000 to speak, but it’s “real Amurka” when a former half-gov, vp loser travels by private jet and gets $100,000 to shoot word salad from her pie-hole like “don’t retreat, reload.”

OK—got it.

447 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 10:22:02am
448 Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2014 10:22:15am
449 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 10:23:25am

re: #427 Bulworth

Edward Klein, whose book, The Amateur, was so influential in Mitt Romney’s defeat of Barack Obama in 2012, is out with another smash hit title full of gossip and innuendo detailing with confirmed facts the Blood Feud!!1 between the Obamas and Clintons.

Not sure whose blood was supposedly spilled between the Obamas and Clintons but who cares it works as a title for us. — wingnut publishing

450 GunstarGreen  Jun 23, 2014 10:23:41am

re: #446 BeachDem

So let me get this straight.

It’s a travesty that a former First Lady, former Senator, former Secretary of State travels by private jet and gets $200,000 to speak, but it’s “real Amurka” when a former half-gov, vp loser travels by private jet and gets $100,000 to shoot word salad from her pie-hole like “don’t retreat, reload.”

OK—got it.

Handy rubric:

Is the person in question a Republican?
Yes: It’s OK.
No: OUTRAGE!!11!111!!1

451 Dr. Matt  Jun 23, 2014 10:24:47am

Speaking of Biden: Iraq Crisis Offers Hint of Vindication for Biden

In 2006, Biden was a senator from Delaware gearing up for a presidential campaign when he proposed that Iraq be divided into three semi-independent regions for Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds. Follow his plan, he said, and U.S. troops could be out by early 2008. Ignore it, he warned, and Iraq would devolve into sectarian conflict that could destabilize the whole region.

The Bush administration chose to ignore Biden. Now, eight years later, the vice president’s doom-and-gloom prediction seems more than a little prescient.

Old sectarian tensions have erupted with a vengeance as Sunni militants seize entire cities and the United States faults the Shiite prime minister for shunning Iraq’s minorities. While the White House isn’t actively considering Biden’s old plan, Mideast experts are openly questioning whether Iraq is marching toward an inevitable breakup along sectarian lines.

452 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 10:30:40am

re: #421 Lidane

Tyrion is such a great character. I really like him a lot. Also, this exists:

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So does this
tshirtvortex.net

453 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 10:30:53am

Email from one of the recruiters I’m using to try and find work: “Need some fun inspiration networking?”

Me: “No, I need a job. That’s why I went to your agency in the first goddamn place.”

*goes back to filling out job applications*

454 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 10:32:27am

Seriously, watch the whole video. It’s brilliant. John Oliver completely dismantles the bullshit surrounding vitamin supplements and Dr. Oz.

455 Killgore Trout  Jun 23, 2014 10:32:40am

re: #451 Dr. Matt

The Bush administration chose to ignore Biden.

and the Obama administration continues to ignore. I think the demands of an inclusive power sharing Iraq might be unrealistic.

456 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 10:38:01am

Just work ‘em to death and let them shop till they drop, eh?

California Supreme Court rules large retailers aren’t required to have defibrillators on hand to help treat customers and workers who suffer sudden cardiac arrest - @AP
End of alert

457 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 23, 2014 10:39:56am
458 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 10:40:15am

re: #449 Lidane

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When you’ve lost Kilmeade*….
*Dumbest man on TV.

459 GunstarGreen  Jun 23, 2014 10:41:53am

re: #454 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Seriously, watch the whole video. It’s brilliant. John Oliver completely dismantles the bullshit surrounding vitamin supplements and Dr. Oz.

Honestly though, what makes him any different from any of the other uncountable hordes of weight-loss products out there? Americans have been spending ungodly sums of money on bullshit that claims to drop pounds for a very, very long time.

All of it — magic beans, magic machines, magic shakes, miracle diet plans — all of it is designed to try to sell people the idea that they can defeat the laws of physics and simple math if they just buy this one more thing.

Calories In > Calories Out: Gain Weight
Calories In = Calories Out: Maintain Weight
Calories In < Caloties Out: Lose Weight

460 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 10:47:19am

Thoughts, Freud? Vagina sculpture traps US student

hosted.ap.org

461 CuriousLurker  Jun 23, 2014 10:47:24am

Good news/bad news:

Christian woman freed after death sentence in Sudan

(CNN) — A Sudanese woman who had been sentenced to death because she declined to renounce her Christian faith has been freed, her lawyer said Monday.

Meriam Yehya Ibrahim, 27, reunited with her husband after getting out of custody, said her lawyer, Mohaned Mustafa El-Nour. An appeals court found that an initial judgment against her was faulty, he said. […]

Egypt court sentences Al-Jazeera journalists to seven years for ‘publishing lies’

An Egyptian court on Monday convicted three journalists from Al-Jazeera English and sentenced them to seven years in prison each on charges including helping a “terrorist organization” by publishing lies. The sentence brought widespread criticism that the verdict was a blow to freedom of expression.

The three, Australian Peter Greste, Canadian-Egyptian Mohammed Fahmy and Egyptian Baher Mohammed, have been detained since a December raid on their Cairo hotel room, which they were using as an office as they covered protests by supporters of the ousted Islamist president. The raid was part of a broad crackdown against Islamists and the Muslim Brotherhood. […]

The prosecution provided little evidence in the case, showing video footage found in their possession - most of which had nothing to do with the case, including a report on a veterinary hospital in Cairo, Christian life and old footage of Greste from previous assignments elsewhere in Africa. […]

There were 17 other co-defendants in the case. Among them, two British journalists and a Dutch journalist who were not in Egypt and eight others being tried in absentia each received 10-year prison sentences. Two of them were acquitted, including the son of Mohammed el-Beltagy, a senior figure in the Muslim Brotherhood. Most of the co-defendants were students, arrested separately and accused of giving footage to the journalists. […]

462 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 23, 2014 10:48:31am

re: #459 GunstarGreen

Calories In > Calories Out: Gain Weight
Calories In = Calories Out: Maintain Weight
Calories In < Caloties Out: Lose Weight

I am sorry but metabolic rates vary from human to human.

463 Dr. Matt  Jun 23, 2014 10:50:45am

re: #455 Killgore Trout

and the Obama administration continues to ignore. I think the demands of an inclusive power sharing Iraq might be unrealistic.

“Ignore”? We left that fucking nightmare and rightfully so. Stop embarrassing yourself.

464 Flying Squirrel Girl  Jun 23, 2014 10:51:11am

re: #458 Varek Raith

When you’ve lost brown haired guy who is not Steve Doocy…

465 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 10:52:03am

Hahaha:

466 danarchy  Jun 23, 2014 10:53:03am

re: #462 Pie-onist Overlord

I am sorry but metabolic rates vary from human to human.

Yeah, but that doesn’t change those equations. Metabolic rate will change the calories out part of the equation, but it doesn’t make it any less true.

467 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 10:53:35am

re: #465 Lidane

Hahaha:

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Book sky fire chair!

468 Targetpractice  Jun 23, 2014 10:56:51am

re: #465 Lidane

Hahaha:

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What next? Dogs and cats living together?

469 GunstarGreen  Jun 23, 2014 10:59:48am

re: #462 Pie-onist Overlord

I am sorry but metabolic rates vary from human to human.

Metabolic rate affects Calories Out. It does not change the physics and math that power the reality of the equations.

The main problem with weight loss in America is that most Americans start out with Calories In being way higher than Calories Out. Their solution is then to reduce Calories In by a trivial amount (usually by eating “diet food” that isn’t any better for them than what they were eating before, like “low fat” ice cream or frozen pizza or similar products), and then to increase their Calories Out by a trivial amount (usually through half-hearted cardio, with cardio being pretty much the worst option for actually burning energy off as our bodies are so efficient at it that we can spend hours on a treadmill or elliptical with very little to show for it). This improves their situation, but mostly on the order of slowing down the gain rather than actually correcting the balance over to the loss side.

470 CuriousLurker  Jun 23, 2014 11:00:41am

Too bad for the dogs that it’s not a Muslim festival, then there would be real OUTRAGE!

Canine controversy: Chinese festival serves up dog meat

Yulin, China (CNN) — A mob of people have surrounded a group of animal rights activists protesting in the busiest open market in town. It’s the eve of Yulin’s annual dog meat festival, a tradition that dates back generations to celebrate the summer solstice.

Arguments ensue among those living in the city and the people who condemn the tradition. “Don’t you eat beef? If you stop eating beef, then we’ll stop eating dog meat,” yells one man frustrated with the intense media scrutiny in the Dong Kou open market, where an array of birds, snakes, cats and livestock are sold as daily fresh fare. […]

472 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 11:02:28am

re:
#465

Confirmed. FACT.

473 b_sharp  Jun 23, 2014 11:04:25am

re: #466 danarchy

Yeah, but that doesn’t change those equations. Metabolic rate will change the calories out part of the equation, but it doesn’t make it any less true.

Not all of the calories in the food are taken up by the body so if you are only measuring calories going in rather than those taken up by the body the formula is way too simplistic.

The body, as a complex system, also treats the calories taken up differently. Some calories are used to power the system, some are stored, some just end up flushed from the system.

If all calories were fully used then the formula would be wholly accurate, but how the multiple, interacting processes treat the energy input varies from system to system.

The human body, or any living thing for that matter, is not a black-body object.

474 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 11:06:27am

Joke of the Day:

Doesn’t sound very “adversarial” to me. More like a platform for GG.

Greenwald: New NSA disclosure ‘imminent’

politico.com

“In an interview with MSNBC’s Ronan Farrow, Greenwald cited a “very imminent” report “on the question of what kinds of citizens are being targeted by the NSA.” Greenwald said he considered the report “the most important in the archive” of documents given to him by Edward Snowden.”

475 Bulworth  Jun 23, 2014 11:07:43am

re:
#474

Which will be totally different than the other most important item in the Snowden archive that was released months ago. /

477 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 11:10:22am
478 wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2014 11:14:38am

re: #469 GunstarGreen

Metabolic rate affects Calories Out. It does not change the physics and math that power the reality of the equations.

The main problem with weight loss in America is that most Americans start out with Calories In being way higher than Calories Out. Their solution is then to reduce Calories In by a trivial amount (usually by eating “diet food” that isn’t any better for them than what they were eating before, like “low fat” ice cream or frozen pizza or similar products), and then to increase their Calories Out by a trivial amount (usually through half-hearted cardio, with cardio being pretty much the worst option for actually burning energy off as our bodies are so efficient at it that we can spend hours on a treadmill or elliptical with very little to show for it). This improves their situation, but mostly on the order of slowing down the gain rather than actually correcting the balance over to the loss side.

Here’s more information on human metabolism. As another commenter said on this topic,

“Eat less and exercise more” as the sole advice to people having excess weight issues is precisely as useful as “spend less and earn more” advice given as the only answer to personal finance issues.

479 FemNaziBitch  Jun 23, 2014 11:16:40am

It is still freakin’ hot in NOLA.

you?

480 FemNaziBitch  Jun 23, 2014 11:17:38am

re: #478 wrenchwench

Here’s more information on human metabolism. As another commenter said on this topic,

So, how does one lose weight when one’s diet is fine, but one can’t move enough to burn even 1200 calories on a regular basis because the body will not cooperate?

481 b.d.  Jun 23, 2014 11:17:42am

MSNBC just keeps Ronan Farrow around to make Chris Hayes’ ratings look good.

482 CuriousLurker  Jun 23, 2014 11:18:33am

re: #477 Lidane

This one is for you & Stanley Sea:

Here’s what the rest of the world thinks about American soccer fans

2. Americans are really, really good at this. That’s the general consensus from every non-American whose opinion was canvassed in the course of the evening. Not the football itself, though they’re not bad at that. But at the going to the football. […]

Later, lizards.

483 FemNaziBitch  Jun 23, 2014 11:19:25am

re: #468 Targetpractice

What next? Dogs and cats living together?

LION, TIGER AND BEAR!

fact-checked/confirmed

484 wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2014 11:20:42am

re: #480 FemNaziBitch

So, how does one lose weight when one’s diet is fine, but one can’t move enough to burn even 1200 calories on a regular basis because the body will not cooperate?

I don’t know. I’d look first at the ‘diet is fine’ part, if the other part of the equation is immutable.

485 FemNaziBitch  Jun 23, 2014 11:24:48am

Viscious Doberman attacks Beebee Kitteh!
Youtube Video

486 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 11:26:27am

re: #482 CuriousLurker

Haha cool.

And speaking of the World Cup, Spain finally won a match after being eliminated. Awesome timing. Oh well. At least David Villa exits the World Cup stage on a high.

487 FemNaziBitch  Jun 23, 2014 11:28:09am

Tiny claws and teeth on the ears!!!
Youtube Video

488 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 23, 2014 11:28:26am

re: #484 wrenchwench

I don’t know. I’d look first at the ‘diet is fine’ part, if the other part of the equation is immutable.

At the turn of the Millennium I went on a diet and exercise program that included daily runs and Weight Watchers meetings. In the beginning I lost some weight but as time went on the weight loss slowed down and then stopped altogether. I was rigidly keeping a food diary and never exceeded 1000 calories/day, as well as running 5 miles. I would lose a lb, gain it back the next week, lose it, gain it again, back and forth FOR AN ENTIRE FREAKING YEAR.

Then I fell and broke my ankle and couldn’t run any more. Fuck this shit.

489 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2014 11:28:51am

I was just wondering…
Is Rinaldo to soccer as LeBron is to basketball?

490 Justanotherhuman  Jun 23, 2014 11:29:17am

Live video: President Obama delivers remarks at the White House Summit on Working Families - @NBCNews
see original on nbcnews.com

491 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 23, 2014 11:30:23am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

These are also the guys who saw no federal government overreach in the Fugitive Slave Act. After all, property is property, even if it tries to run off.

And a “post-colonial wordview” is a fancy dog whistle code for “Mau-Mau rebels cutting white settlers’ throats”.

IIRC, Mau-Mau was a Kikuyu tribal insurrection, and Obama’s father was Luo. The Luo are far enough down the Kenyan political food chain, that
Obama’s father would not have been initiated into Mau-Mau.

492 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 11:31:47am
493 wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2014 11:31:59am

re: #488 Pie-onist Overlord

At the turn of the Millennium I went on a diet and exercise program that included daily runs and Weight Watchers meetings. In the beginning I lost some weight but as time went on the weight loss slowed down and then stopped altogether. I was rigidly keeping a food diary and never exceeded 1000 calories/day, as well as running 5 miles. I would lose a lb, gain it back the next week, lose it, gain it again, back and forth FOR AN ENTIRE FREAKING YEAR.

Then I fell and broke my ankle and couldn’t run any more. Fuck this shit.

I don’t know how people stay fit if they can’t move. I know it’s particularly difficult not to gain weight if you had a very high level of activity and are suddenly injured to the point of being immobile.

494 GunstarGreen  Jun 23, 2014 11:36:30am

re: #478 wrenchwench

Here’s more information on human metabolism. As another commenter said on this topic,

As a person that has spent a lifetime battling weight, and only very recently (within the last year) won that battle, I will say that it is that simple. There are a large host of factors that influence every individual’s personal equation, but at the end of the day, that is how the human body works. Excess energy is stored for later use, excess energy burn is fueled by consuming that which is currently available (pre-storage), and then that which has already been stored once there is no currently-available fuel remaining.

We have gotten very good at trying to trick ourselves into believing otherwise, unfortunately. Take ‘sports drinks’, for example, like Gatorade/Powerade and the like. Well hey, it’s a sports drink, I need to drink this while I exercise for the “electrolytes” and stuff, right? Wrong. All those things are, is fancy sugar water. And the body will burn those calories for energy instead of stored fat. They serve their function for high-level athletes that aren’t trying to lose weight and really do need immediate fuel, but they’re often used by people who are trying to lose weight and should be drinking water instead, and they end up sabotaging their exercise work. Exercise work which wasn’t very effective to begin with, because the go-to method of improving “calories out” is some form of cardio, which is very bad at consuming energy in the first place. They’d be much better off doing heavy weight lifting, like 5x5-style bar work, and drinking water.

Maybe they’re not fit enough to do weight lifting right off the bat — I wasn’t, either. I started with walking, back when I couldn’t even walk a block without wheezing to a degree that would make passersby concerned about me. Then I walked until I could run. Then I ran until I could lift. In the early stages, diet is much more important than exercise, and portion control is the key to diet. Too much healthy food is still too much food, and extremely few people go to the lengths that they should go to as far as measuring out weights and amounts to make sure their portions are in-line.

I know that it works, because I have done it, after decades of failing at it via the usual methods.

re: #480 FemNaziBitch

So, how does one lose weight when one’s diet is fine, but one can’t move enough to burn even 1200 calories on a regular basis because the body will not cooperate?

They don’t, if it’s genuinely the case that they are 100% physically incapable of working off 1200 calories a day. That would be an extreme edge case that falls under “sometimes life isn’t fair and just sucks”, however, because 1200 is alarmingly low for human consumption even with zero physical activity beyond basic “do something other than lay immobile in bed all day” stuff.

495 wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2014 11:36:46am

re: #485 FemNaziBitch

Viscious Doberman attacks Beebee Kitteh!
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re: #487 FemNaziBitch

Tiny claws and teeth on the ears!!!
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What a good dog!

496 FemNaziBitch  Jun 23, 2014 11:37:36am

re: #488 Pie-onist Overlord

At the turn of the Millennium I went on a diet and exercise program that included daily runs and Weight Watchers meetings. In the beginning I lost some weight but as time went on the weight loss slowed down and then stopped altogether. I was rigidly keeping a food diary and never exceeded 1000 calories/day, as well as running 5 miles. I would lose a lb, gain it back the next week, lose it, gain it again, back and forth FOR AN ENTIRE FREAKING YEAR.

Then I fell and broke my ankle and couldn’t run any more. Fuck this shit.

Muscle weigh more than fat phenom? I am more concerned about the extra weight on my joints and how my jeans fit than actual numbers of lbs.

I got 5 miles in walking yesterday for the first time in forever and my right ankle is throbbing today.

497 Kragar  Jun 23, 2014 11:38:34am
498 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 23, 2014 11:38:35am

re: #494 GunstarGreen

IT’S BULLSHIT.

I ran 5 miles a day and ate 1000 calories/day FOR AN ENTIRE FREAKING YEAR. I lost and gained the same pound over and over.

499 Jordy LuhPhorj  Jun 23, 2014 11:39:44am

re: #489 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ronaldo is considered a top 3 player in the world, if not number 1. Another similarity is the Portugal team flops as much as the Miami Heat!

500 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 23, 2014 11:39:47am

After my fall I could not sustain that level of activity and near starvation that I endured for almost an entire year. It just seemed so pointless.

501 FemNaziBitch  Jun 23, 2014 11:40:41am

re: #494 GunstarGreen

I got got the Jawbone UP in January and faithfully charted my food intake for the first 3 months. I stopped because it was a pain in the ass and I was falling well within all the “ranges” suggested. Now, I just try to keep my sleep patterns healthy and try to get the recommended steps and cardio in at least 3 times a week.

I’ve stopped gaining weight, but I’m not losing. I gained 10 lbs over the winter to add the 10 lbs I was overweight from being old.

I have to do something about it now because it is not going to get any easier.

502 FemNaziBitch  Jun 23, 2014 11:42:30am

re: #500 Pie-onist Overlord

After my fall I could not sustain that level of activity and near starvation that I endured for almost an entire year. It just seemed so pointless.

I tend to lose most when my anxiety is high. It raises my metabolism. Otherwise I am a pretty calm /low blood pressure kind of person. I lost 10 lbs when my dad had his first stroke and I consumed tons of calories as well.

I think it’s all regulated by hormones.

503 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 23, 2014 11:43:35am

re: #502 FemNaziBitch

I tend to lose most when my anxiety is high. It raises my metabolism. Otherwise I am a pretty calm /low blood pressure kind of person. I lost 10 lbs when my dad had his first stroke and I consumed tons of calories as well.

I think it’s all regulated by hormones.

So it’s not a simple Calories in < Calories out equation.

504 EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2014 11:45:50am

re: #498 Pie-onist Overlord

IT’S BULLSHIT.

I ran 5 miles a day and ate 1000 calories/day FOR AN ENTIRE FREAKING YEAR. I lost and gained the same pound over and over.

I feel your pain. Diligent diet and exercise got me to the point where I had lost a lot of weight, but I was cold all the time, hungry all the time, fainting frequently, and cranky from all of the above.

Honestly, the real problem was feeling my sanity slip away as I obsessed over food every single day.

At least I didn’t gain it all back.

505 Varek Raith  Jun 23, 2014 11:46:01am

re: #503 Pie-onist Overlord

So it’s not a simple Calories in < Calories out equation.

If it was I’d look awesome.

506 FemNaziBitch  Jun 23, 2014 11:46:08am

re: #503 Pie-onist Overlord

So it’s not a simple Calories in < Calories out equation, for women.

FTFY

507 wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2014 11:46:47am

re: #494 GunstarGreen

I know that it works, because I have done it, after decades of failing at it via the usual methods.

This is not science. This is anecdote.

I’m glad you found what works for you. Fact is, though, not all calories are the same, not all metabolisms are the same, and not all people react the same way to exercise.

From my first link:

A recent study by one of us, Dr. Ludwig, and his colleagues published in JAMA examined 21 overweight and obese young adults after they had lost 10 to 15 percent of their body weight, on diets ranging from low fat to low carbohydrate. Despite consuming the same number of calories on each diet, subjects burned about 325 more calories per day on the low carbohydrate than on the low fat diet — amounting to the energy expended in an hour of moderately intense physical activity.
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Another study published by Dr. Ludwig and colleagues in The Lancet in 2004 suggested that a poor-quality diet could result in obesity even when it was low in calories. Rats fed a diet with rapidly digesting (called high “glycemic index”) carbohydrate gained 71 percent more fat than their counterparts, who ate more calories over all, though in the form of slowly digesting carbohydrate.

From another article:

On the very low-carbohydrate diet, Dr. Ludwig’s subjects expended 300 more calories a day than they did on the low-fat diet and 150 calories more than on the low-glycemic-index diet. As Dr. Ludwig explained, when the subjects were eating low-fat diets, they’d have to add an hour of moderate-intensity physical activity each day to expend as much energy as they would effortlessly on the very-low-carb diet. And this while consuming the same amount of calories. If the physical activity made them hungrier — a likely assumption — maintaining weight on the low-fat, high-carb diet would be even harder. Why does this speak to the very cause of obesity? One way to think about this is to consider weight-reduced subjects as “pre-obese.” They’re almost assuredly going to get fatter, and so they can be research stand-ins — perhaps the best we have — for those of us who are merely predisposed to get fat but haven’t done so yet and might take a few years or decades longer to do it.

If we think of Dr. Ludwig’s subjects as pre-obese, then the study tells us that the nutrient composition of the diet can trigger the predisposition to get fat, independent of the calories consumed. The fewer carbohydrates we eat, the more easily we remain lean. The more carbohydrates, the more difficult. In other words, carbohydrates are fattening, and obesity is a fat-storage defect. What matters, then, is the quantity and quality of carbohydrates we consume and their effect on insulin.

From this perspective, the trial suggests that among the bad decisions we can make to maintain our weight is exactly what the government and medical organizations like the American Heart Association have been telling us to do: eat low-fat, carbohydrate-rich diets, even if those diets include whole grains and fruits and vegetables.

If you haven’t read anything by Gary Taubes, I highly recommend his stuff.

508 FemNaziBitch  Jun 23, 2014 11:47:13am

Well, I must siesta.

bbl

509 wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2014 11:47:18am

re: #502 FemNaziBitch

I tend to lose most when my anxiety is high. It raises my metabolism. Otherwise I am a pretty calm /low blood pressure kind of person. I lost 10 lbs when my dad had his first stroke and I consumed tons of calories as well.

I think it’s all regulated by hormones.

Insulin is the main one. Many others are involved.

510 GunstarGreen  Jun 23, 2014 11:50:27am

re: #498 Pie-onist Overlord

IT’S BULLSHIT.

I ran 5 miles a day and ate 1000 calories/day FOR AN ENTIRE FREAKING YEAR. I lost and gained the same pound over and over.

Did your body change at all?

1000 calories is absurdly low, in the first place. I don’t believe you could find any doctor that would support such a diet plan except in some kind of dire emergency, and maybe not even then. Again, it varies by person, but for an adult female you would be looking at at least 1600 per day; for sedentary individuals base consumption rate is somewhere in the 1600 to 2000 range (this varies by person, of course).

There’s also bodily changes to consider. 5 miles is a lot of running, especially every single day. At some point you’re developing muscle, replacing fat with it, and muscle weighs more than fat. What you will find is that, if you’re actively engaged in a fitness-building regimen (running longer/faster each day, lifting heavier or with more reps each time, etc.), your weight may not change very much, but your body composition will — while still weighing the same, you will shed fat and “lean out”.

But again, I would be very surprised to see an adult human female capable of sustaining such a high amount of physical activity on an extremely minimal intake like that. I am not saying that you’re lying, but is it perhaps possible that you missed some things when you were counting? A lot of people forget to count drinks, for example, and liquid calories are some of the largest problem-sources in most diets.

511 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 23, 2014 11:52:01am

re: #316 Justanotherhuman

Well, I can’t wait to read this decision.

Supreme Court says EPA lacks authority in some cases to force companies to evaluate ways to reduce carbon dioxide emissions - @AP
End of alert

-snip-

In the environmental industry, there is some concern that methane releases associated with the LP life cycle could have a much greater impact on global warming then CO2 from coal.

512 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 23, 2014 11:53:39am

re: #510 GunstarGreen

Did your body change at all?

1000 calories is absurdly low, in the first place. I don’t believe you could find any doctor that would support such a diet plan except in some kind of dire emergency, and maybe not even then. Again, it varies by person, but for an adult female you would be looking at at least 1600 per day; for sedentary individuals base consumption rate is somewhere in the 1600 to 2000 range (this varies by person, of course).

There’s also bodily changes to consider. 5 miles is a lot of running, especially every single day. At some point you’re developing muscle, replacing fat with it, and muscle weighs more than fat. What you will find is that, if you’re actively engaged in a fitness-building regimen (running longer/faster each day, lifting heavier or with more reps each time, etc.), your weight may not change very much, but your body composition will — while still weighing the same, you will shed fat and “lean out”.

But again, I would be very surprised to see an adult human female capable of sustaining such a high amount of physical activity on an extremely minimal intake like that. I am not saying that you’re lying, but is it perhaps possible that you missed some things when you were counting? A lot of people forget to count drinks, for example, and liquid calories are some of the largest problem-sources in most diets.

I kept a food and exercise diary and did not drink any beverage other than water and seltzer. And the WW mentors were all YOU’RE LYING.

It was a year of frustration and hell and then I broke my ankle.

This is why I think weight loss programs are all BULLSHIT and there is an entire FAT SHAMING industry that is designed just to make money for people like Dr. Oz.

513 Lidane  Jun 23, 2014 11:56:07am

re: #502 FemNaziBitch

I think it’s all regulated by hormones.

There’s a lot more truth to that than you might realize.

I was relatively skinny in high school weighing anywhere from 110-115. Like a lot of women, I gained a ton of weight in my 20’s and 30’s and became overweight. I tried everything — Weight Watchers, exercise binges, supplements, going vegetarian, Atkins, shakes and smoothies, Master Cleanse, cabbage soup, etc. I’d lose a bit of weight and gain it right back like a yo-yo.

When I went to the doctor and got diagnosed with PCOS and started taking meds to regulate my hormones, the weight started to drop like crazy. I dropped four jeans sizes from a 22 to a 14 without trying all that hard. I just ate better, took my meds, and walked more often every day and the pounds fell off. I haven’t been on my medication in a couple of years due to money issues, but the weight is still gone. I’m a lot smaller now than I was then. And if I got back on my meds and started it all up again I know I’d lose more weight.

514 GunstarGreen  Jun 23, 2014 12:03:01pm

re: #512 Pie-onist Overlord

I kept a food and exercise diary and did not drink any beverage other than water and seltzer. And the WW mentors said YOU’RE LYING.

It was a year of frustration and hell and then I broke my ankle.

This is why I think weight loss programs are all BULLSHIT and there is an entire FAT SHAMING industry that is designed just to make money for people like Dr. Oz.

Fad diets and miracle pills are bullshit, and I detest the quacks that push them to make a buck off of peoples’ misery and frustration. But I still believe that being fit and maintaining a healthy weight are worthwhile goals in and of themselves.

I can’t say what will or won’t work for you personally, and I’m not a doctor. But eating paleo (fresh or fresh-frozen fruits and vegetables [sparing use of higher glycemics like carrots], leaner meats such as chicken/turkey breast, fish, and leaner cuts of beef in moderation, nuts on the lower end of the calorie spectrum like Almonds) and doing progressive loading on a 5x5 barbell program (starting with just the bar, putting 5 more pounds on each time you come in after successfully lifting 5x5 the last time, traditional powerlifting with Squats/Benches/Rows/Deadlifts/Overhead Presses) has worked for me where the “eat a lot of salad/carrots and run” plan failed.

515 b_sharp  Jun 23, 2014 12:24:29pm

re: #513 Lidane

There’s a lot more truth to that than you might realize.

I was relatively skinny in high school weighing anywhere from 110-115. Like a lot of women, I gained a ton of weight in my 20’s and 30’s and became overweight. I tried everything — Weight Watchers, exercise binges, supplements, going vegetarian, Atkins, shakes and smoothies, Master Cleanse, cabbage soup, etc. I’d lose a bit of weight and gain it right back like a yo-yo.

When I went to the doctor and got diagnosed with PCOS and started taking meds to regulate my hormones, the weight started to drop like crazy. I dropped four jeans sizes from a 22 to a 14 without trying all that hard. I just ate better, took my meds, and walked more often every day and the pounds fell off. I haven’t been on my medication in a couple of years due to money issues, but the weight is still gone. I’m a lot smaller now than I was then. And if I got back on my meds and started it all up again I know I’d lose more weight.

Cleanse?

Really?

Why?

516 J A P  Jun 23, 2014 12:38:34pm

re: #488 Pie-onist Overlord

This sounds very much like what I did: 1200 calories a day and jogging five miles daily. I had difficulty keeping my weight within an aesthetically pleasing range after I quit smoking. A series of boyfriends kept harping on my weight gain when my BMI went from 20 to 22. (Truth be told, the men weren’t happy when my BMI was 20, but I could never maintain a weight lower than that without ill health effects.) I increased my exercise and lowered my calorie intake until I was at 1200 calories a day and jogging five miles. That actually worked for a few years. Then my weight started creeping up again. I went to see my doctor, but he wouldn’t really talk about my weight with me. He basically accused me of lying (or deluding myself) regarding my diet regime. The fact that I had been able to maintain more or less the same weight from the beginning of puberty until I was in my early forties was irrelevant for him. I added weight lifting to my exercise regime and was able to keep my BMI between about 23 and 24 for another couple of years.

Within the past four years, my weight has crept up an now it’s about 25.5, so I’m technically overweight. The only men who will date me are men who like “chubby” women. I’ve also fallen into a depression. I’m still dieting and exercising, but it feels so futile. The worst part of it is that it’s all doctors want to talk about. I went to the doctor for a cough that wouldn’t go away and she wanted to put me on a diet and exercise regime. Telling her that I was already dieting and exercising was futile. I’m overweight, so I must be lazy and eating too much.

There are days when I’m convinced that nobody really knows what’s going on when it comes to weight, but they don’t want to admit it.

I’m enough of a feminist that I hate to admit that the rejection from men has had such a huge effect on my self-esteem, but the truth is that it has. If it were just for health, I’d be fine. Although technically overweight, I’m probably healthier now than when I was thirty and smoking. All those things like blood pressure, cholesterol, heart rate, etc., etc., are good. I have no real health complaints, except the depression.

517 b_sharp  Jun 23, 2014 12:43:35pm

re: #516 J A P

This sounds very much like what I did: 1200 calories a day and jogging five miles daily. I had difficulty keeping my weight within an aesthetically pleasing range after I quit smoking. A series of boyfriends kept harping on my weight gain when my BMI went from 20 to 22. (Truth be told, the men weren’t happy when my BMI was 20, but I could never maintain a weight lower than that without ill health effects.) I increased my exercise and lowered my calorie intake until I was at 1200 calories a day and jogging five miles. That actually worked for a few years. Then my weight started creeping up again. I went to see my doctor, but he wouldn’t really talk about my weight with me. He basically accused me of lying (or deluding myself) regarding my diet regime. The fact that I had been able to maintain more or less the same weight from the beginning of puberty until I was in my early forties was irrelevant for him. I added weight lifting to my exercise regime and was able to keep my BMI between about 23 and 24 for another couple of years.

Within the past four years, my weight has crept up an now it’s about 25.5, so I’m technically overweight. The only men who will date me are men who like “chubby” women. I’ve also fallen into a depression. I’m still dieting and exercising, but it feels so futile. The worst part of it is that it’s all doctors want to talk about. I went to the doctor for a cough that wouldn’t go away and she wanted to put me on a diet and exercise regime. Telling her that I was already dieting and exercising was futile. I’m overweight, so I must be lazy and eating too much.

There are days when I’m convinced that nobody really knows what’s going on when it comes to weight, but they don’t want to admit it.

I’m enough of a feminist that I hate to admit that the rejection from men has had such a huge effect on my self-esteem, but the truth is that it has. If it were just for health, I’d be fine. Although technically overweight, I’m probably healthier now than when I was thirty and smoking. All those things like blood pressure, cholesterol, heart rate, etc., etc., are good. I have no real health complaints, except the depression.

If the guy is worried about your weight and you are healthy otherwise the guy is being an idiot.

518 J A P  Jun 23, 2014 1:28:37pm

re: #517 b_sharp

Thanks for the supportive comment. There is no man at the moment. Intellectually, I know you’re right and most days I feel it, too, but there are also times it gets to me emotionally.

519 b_sharp  Jun 23, 2014 1:38:50pm

re: #518 J A P

Thanks for the supportive comment. There is no man at the moment. Intellectually, I know you’re right and most days I feel it, too, but there are also times it gets to me emotionally.

I’m quite familiar with depression.
The hard part you face is believing you are important in and of yourself. Having someone else, like a boyfriend, validate you feels good for a while but it’s fleeting. Best to talk yourself into believing in yourself. Difficult, and it feels phony, but eventually the phoniness feeling goes away.

520 krypto  Jun 23, 2014 3:33:50pm

I suppose running candidates whose values and positions agree with those that normal voters support, to actually win elections, is out of the question for today’s Republican party.


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