Jim Hoft, Dumbest Man on the Internet, Also Most Hypocritical

Say “cheese”
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Remember when Jim Hoft, fabled Dumbest Man on the Internet, freaked out about a photograph of President Obama taking a “selfie” at Nelson Mandela’s memorial event, labeling Obama the “Narcissist-in-Chief?” And remember how this Obama-bashing meme instantly spread throughout the right wing blogs and made it all the way to Fox News?

AFP Photographer “Sad” to Make Obama Look Bad in “Selfie” Shot at Mandela Funeral | the Gateway Pundit

Well, first of all, this was not a “funeral;” it was a memorial service that included lots of performers and tributes from dignitaries. And it was not a solemn event in a church; it was more like a party, a joyous celebration of Mandela’s life. And for that matter, Jim Hoft was incredibly vicious and mean-spirited toward Nelson Mandela when he died, posting several rants like this one and this one.

But the point of this post: today the DMOTI tweeted this, demonstrating once again that boorish self-absorbed right wing hypocrisy for which he’s infamous — a lovely selfie that he took with a friend at a real funeral, in a church, wearing a polo shirt and a big un-self-conscious grin.

Say “cheese,” Jim.

(I’m posting a screenshot linked to his tweet instead of embedding it, because Hoft has a long-standing habit of trying to delete stuff like this when it gets noticed.)

(h/t: @lawhawk.)

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336 comments
1 The War TARDIS  Aug 30, 2014 5:11:02pm

OT, but we have Doctor Who episode “Into the Dalek” in one hour.

It will be darker than the last.

2 b.d.  Aug 30, 2014 5:16:53pm

No class.

3 Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2014 5:18:35pm

I have no prob with taking photos where ever.

It’s the hypocrisy DMOTI.

4 lawhawk  Aug 30, 2014 5:19:23pm

Thanks for the HT. When I saw Hoft’s tweets this afternoon coming from a church funeral, that got me thinking about his postings about the Mandela memorial, and what a hypocrite he is.

Did he not think people might notice that he’s taking a selfie at a funeral?

It’s not something I would do. Not the time or place. But that’s just me.

5 b.d.  Aug 30, 2014 5:23:33pm

I don’t even bring my phone into a church because I am afraid that I’ll be that guy who forgets to turn the ringer off.

Everyone behind Hoft is dressed nicely and seems to be acting right. Hoft is sitting way up front acting like an ass, I can hear his horse laugh coming through that twitter picture.

What a boor.

6 goddamnedfrank  Aug 30, 2014 5:23:54pm

And again Hoft demonstrates that he’s completely incapable of producing a convincing smile, all that comes out is a kind of fucked up half grimace half taking-a-shit face. Every single fucking time he tries he ends up like one of those Japanese uncanny valley robots that just looks like they’re in pain. Actually the Japanese have made more progress with their goddamned creepy ass robots than Jim has controlling his own facial expressions.

7 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 5:24:53pm

The real point of Hoft’s tweet is to show everybody that he has a BLACK FRIEND. So he can’t possibly be a racist who links to white supremacist websites. (Except he is.)

8 BeachDem  Aug 30, 2014 5:25:06pm

The other pic Lawhawk posted was even worse.

9 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 5:27:10pm

Jake Tapper, meanwhile, thinks it would be a great idea to put totally crazed wingnut hater Kurt Schlichter on CNN.

10 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 5:28:30pm

Schlichter may actually be even more disgusting that Erick Erickson, which is sayin’ something. So naturally Tapper thinks he’d be great on CNN.

11 BeachDem  Aug 30, 2014 5:28:30pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

The real point of Hoft’s tweet is to show everybody that he has a BLACK FRIEND. So he can’t possibly be a racist who links to white supremacist websites. (Except he is.)

B-I-N-G-O!

He talks, in his tweets, about his “great friends” but only mentions the deceased in passing.

Such classy
Very emotion
So compassion

12 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 5:31:30pm

This is the kind of commentary Tapper thinks would be great on CNN:

13 stpaulbear  Aug 30, 2014 5:32:58pm

Wonder how long it will be before someone in effect calls him a race traitor in his comments?

14 BeachDem  Aug 30, 2014 5:35:08pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

This is the kind of commentary Tapper thinks would be great on CNN:

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Here’s all I need to know (from Townhall—didn’t click, just copied from Google search):

Kurt Schlichter (Twitter: @KurtSchlichter) was personally recruited to write conservative commentary by Andrew Breitbart.

15 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 5:35:59pm

Hoft has been busily stirring up hatred at his blog against the protesters in Ferguson today. Three rants so far.

16 Bubblehead II  Aug 30, 2014 5:36:10pm

Evening Lizards.

17 b.d.  Aug 30, 2014 5:36:54pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

This is the kind of commentary Tapper thinks would be great on CNN:

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Tapper will find someone to present an opposing side to this and give them 1/3 of the time, it’s called CNN balance.

18 Zamb  Aug 30, 2014 5:37:55pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Yet for some reason the party of diversity that includes black, hispanic, asian and yes white people is the racists. Never mind all of that, having one black acquaintance who doesn’t mind you dropping the n-bomb proves beyond a doubt you are above race.

19 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 5:42:39pm
20 KiTA  Aug 30, 2014 5:45:56pm

re: #1 The War TARDIS

That will be an interesting feat.

21 Bubblehead II  Aug 30, 2014 5:50:17pm

re: #20 KiTA

That will be an interesting feat.

You are so busted. :-)

22 The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 30, 2014 5:52:42pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

“Are you serious? Really?,” replies Hoft to an email from Daily RFT. ” I posted the video because it was the only one I found.”

So…you’re just browsing around, looking for stuff about white people being attacked, and you finally find your scoop at a white supremacist site.

Who are you to deprive your audience of this breaking news, so urgent that’s there’s absolutely no time to stop and consider the source, or how the source might represent the available materials?

much journalism! such source integrity!

23 The War TARDIS  Aug 30, 2014 5:53:30pm

re: #20 KiTA

Believe me, he will.

24 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 5:54:21pm

re: #22 The Ghost of a Flea

So…you’re just browsing around, looking for stuff about white people being attacked, and you finally find your scoop at a white supremacist site.

Who are you to deprive your audience of this breaking news, so urgent that’s there’s absolutely no time to stop and consider the source, or how the source might represent the available materials?

much journalism! such source integrity!

And he’s still doing it.

Jim Hoft Links to White Supremacist Site to Smear Michael Brown

25 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 5:58:45pm
26 wrenchwench  Aug 30, 2014 6:03:57pm
27 The War TARDIS  Aug 30, 2014 6:05:33pm

Episode started

28 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 6:05:49pm

My post on Hoft’s “fractured eye socket” hoax is linked at Cracked:

cracked.com

29 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 6:09:04pm

When I was growing up, Cracked Magazine was a second rate copy of Mad Magazine. Now it’s the other way around.

30 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 6:11:24pm

re: #26 wrenchwench

The quickest way to find out who your enemies are is to try doing something new.

Tell me about it.

31 The War TARDIS  Aug 30, 2014 6:11:47pm
32 ausador  Aug 30, 2014 6:16:43pm

China is putting out a 104 episode cartoon of a historically known Uighur woman to try to win hearts and minds among the ethnic minority. There are two ways of looking at her history however.

It seems that in the Chinese version Ipal Khan lived in harmony with the Emperor and was lavished with gifts. In the Uighur version she was captured during the Han invasion, taken to the palace and made to live out her life there as a concubine.

Still, I wish them luck with it, by helping to disseminate some aspects of the Uighur culture to the Han Chinese majority it may do some good.

33 De Kolta Chair  Aug 30, 2014 6:18:48pm

re: #1 The War TARDIS

OT, but we have Doctor Who episode “Into the Dalek” in one hour.

It will be darker than the last.

Alas, the US Open is also on and my wife, an intense tennis fanatic, is really into the Eugenie Bouchard / Zahlavova Strycova match, which is tied at a set apiece, so no Doc Who for me until BBC America reruns it later.

But looking on the bright side, my brother in law bought me a case of Guinness today! Take that, Davros!

34 wrenchwench  Aug 30, 2014 6:18:58pm

Later, lizards.

35 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 6:20:27pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

Corn cob. Peck peck peck. Ding. Peck peck peck. Ding

I’m starting to think this isn’t really a crow posting these tweets.

Crows don’t use typewriters.

36 simoom  Aug 30, 2014 6:20:31pm

Deep thoughts from Rep. Jeff Duncan:

We win, they loose. “Rules of Engagement” are for suckers.

I also like how he says “if US gets more engaged” so he’s not actually even taking a position on that. The air-quotes around Rules of Engagement are pretty great too ///.

37 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 6:22:56pm

re: #36 simoom

Deep thoughts from Rep. Jeff Duncan:

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We win, they loose. “Rules of Engagement” are for suckers.

I also like how he says “if US gets more engaged” so he’s not actually even taking a position on that. The air-quotes around Rules of Engagement a pretty great too ///.

RULES OF ENGAGEMENT?! Only pansies care about rules!!! Just get in there and KICK SOME ASS! FUCK YEAH!

(These people are insane.)

38 ausador  Aug 30, 2014 6:25:46pm

It does take a second…

39 jaunte  Aug 30, 2014 6:26:40pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

That peck peck ding joke’s too old for a crow.

40 De Kolta Chair  Aug 30, 2014 6:28:15pm

re: #36 simoom

Deep thoughts from Rep. Jeff Duncan:

As far as our nation’s time-honored belief in civilian rule over the military goes, I would send Rep. Duncan a dvd of “Seven Days in May,” but I know he’d only be interested in ogling Ava Gardner’s chest.

41 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 30, 2014 6:28:57pm

re: #36 simoom

Did Rep. Jeff Duncan make those remarks while he was packing his gear for deployment to a combat zone? No? Then he’s just another asshole Republican chickenhawk, isn’t he?

42 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 6:29:49pm

re: #39 jaunte

That peck peck ding joke’s too old for a crow.

These days crows use Microsoft Word.

43 ausador  Aug 30, 2014 6:30:14pm
44 stpaulbear  Aug 30, 2014 6:32:27pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

I’m starting to think this isn’t really a crow posting these tweets.

Crows don’t use typewriters.

Crows have personal assistants.

45 b.d.  Aug 30, 2014 6:35:47pm

re: #36 simoom

Deep thoughts from Rep. Jeff Duncan:

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We win, they loose. “Rules of Engagement” are for suckers.

I also like how he says “if US gets more engaged” so he’s not actually even taking a position on that. The air-quotes around Rules of Engagement are pretty great too ///.

Rules of Engagement = Bad
Not having detailed working strategy for dealing ISIS in Syria = Bad

Got it?

46 De Kolta Chair  Aug 30, 2014 6:36:13pm

Goodnight, lizards. Adieu to you and you and you

Youtube Video

47 Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2014 6:36:28pm

re: #44 stpaulbear

Crows have personal assistants.

Secretary Birds.

en.wikipedia.org

48 ausador  Aug 30, 2014 6:41:00pm

While I was there anyway…

49 b.d.  Aug 30, 2014 6:44:17pm

Has anybody checked to see if El Paso is a smoldering ruin yet or not?

50 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 6:45:47pm
51 HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2014 6:45:53pm

re: #48 ausador

While I was there anyway…

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Funny how none of them said this when Tebow was cut. Oh wait Christian conservative victim hood complex.

52 HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2014 6:48:24pm

You know what was disrespectful to Mandela? Supporting the Apartheid regime like so many conservatives actually did.

53 Ryan King  Aug 30, 2014 6:48:28pm

Could you imagine Norquist dropping some Ecstacy or K?

Reading some of his tweets I thought he might of.

54 jaunte  Aug 30, 2014 6:51:10pm
55 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 6:52:17pm
56 ausador  Aug 30, 2014 6:52:48pm
57 Ryan King  Aug 30, 2014 6:53:10pm

A word of advice.

If you’re going to get a coolant leak in your van don’t do it on the way to repair a water leak in your kitchen. That is a bad thing.

58 HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2014 6:54:29pm

re: #56 ausador

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Another great Reagan legacy. //

59 Dark_Falcon  Aug 30, 2014 6:54:55pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

The real point of Hoft’s tweet is to show everybody that he has a BLACK FRIEND. So he can’t possibly be a racist who links to white supremacist websites. (Except he is.)

Well, I’d like to dedicate this next one to Jim’s friend Mitch:

Youtube Video

60 b_sharp  Aug 30, 2014 6:56:38pm

re: #53 Ryan King

Could you imagine Norquist dropping some Ecstacy or K?

Reading some of his tweets I thought he might of.

Just to be the dick I am, it’s ‘might have’ not ‘might of’. It sounds like ‘might of’ because most people use the contraction of ‘might have’ which is ‘might’ve’.

61 Bubblehead II  Aug 30, 2014 6:57:40pm

Night Lizards

62 Varek Raith  Aug 30, 2014 7:04:51pm

re: #60 b_sharp

Just to be the dick I am, it’s ‘might have’ not ‘might of’. It sounds like ‘might of’ because most people use the contraction of ‘might have’ which is ‘might’ve’.

Irregardless!

63 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2014 7:06:36pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

Irregardless!

I could of gone with that /

65 jaunte  Aug 30, 2014 7:08:01pm
66 Varek Raith  Aug 30, 2014 7:11:23pm

re: #65 jaunte

Washington conservative think tank to boycott Labor Day by working Monday

Stickin’ it to the Man!

Yeah, that’ll something or other.

67 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 30, 2014 7:15:04pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

My post on Hoft’s “fractured eye socket” hoax is linked at Cracked:

cracked.com

When did Terrance & Phillip take over Cracked?

Between every item of that “listicle” they have a fart video.

68 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 7:15:58pm

re: #65 jaunte

Raw Story’s source for their quickly rewritten article: Right Wing Launches Misguided Protest Against Labor Day | Seattle Times

Just when it seemed the right wing couldn’t get any more divorced from reality around here, a local conservative group has launched a protest against what it sees as a pernicious cultural touchstone.

Labor Day.

Yes, bittersweet old Labor Day — the first Monday in September, the holiday that’s been around for generations and is known to most nonideologically blinkered Americans as an end-of-summer free day honoring all the hard work you put in the rest of the year.

But to the Freedom Foundation, a business-backed Olympia think tank, the day is evidence of the power of unions, which to members equals the decline of America. Rather than stoop to taking a union-backed day off, they plan to fight the power by … working all day Monday instead!

“I can’t think of a problem in society that can’t be traced in some way back to the abuses of organized labor, so it would be hypocritical of us to take a day off on its behalf,” said Freedom Foundation CEO Tom McCabe, in announcing the “work-in.”

That’ll show those unions who control everything around here. Let’s all go into the offices and the factories and work like dogs instead of barbecuing or watching parades! Who’s with me?

69 Dark_Falcon  Aug 30, 2014 7:16:53pm

re: #64 Varek Raith

U.S. military carries out airstrikes, aid drops to Iraqi town surrounded by ISIS

If the town can be supplied it can be held. It’s defenders will fight as long as they have weapons and ammo, since they know they must either hold on to victory or be foully murdered.

But even so Iraq needs to get an helicoper-borne relief force together. It’s important not to abandon the town, as its a useful thorn in the side of the ‘Islamic State’, but efforts need to be made to evacuate the women and children.

70 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 30, 2014 7:19:03pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Raw Story’s source for their quickly rewritten article: Right Wing Launches Misguided Protest Against Labor Day | Seattle Times

71 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 30, 2014 7:19:53pm

I’m a salaried professional but I have worked in union and non-union shops. UNION SHOPS ARE WAY BETTER.

72 calochortus  Aug 30, 2014 7:20:25pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

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I think he’s going to try to extrapolate how a weekend event run for and by educated, relatively well-to-do people can be a model for a large country’s government.

73 jaunte  Aug 30, 2014 7:20:38pm

You know who else doesn’t like Labor Day?
ALEC.

The Freedom Foundation, formerly known as the Evergreen Freedom Foundation, is a libertarian think tank based in Olympia, Washington, whose mission is “to advance individual liberty, free enterprise, and limited, accountable government”

Ties to the American Legislative Exchange Council
Bob Williams, founder of the Evergreen Freedom Foundation, was the private sector chair of the Tax and Fiscal Policy Task Force of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) as of 2011.[2] He is also on the ALEC Board of Scholars as of 2011.[3] In August 2011, he received ALEC’s Private Sector Member of the Year Award.[4]
sourcewatch.org

74 jaunte  Aug 30, 2014 7:21:36pm
75 jonhendry  Aug 30, 2014 7:22:08pm

re: #65 jaunte

I bet the think tank’s salaried employees just *loved* that.

76 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 30, 2014 7:22:41pm

re: #73 jaunte

You know who else doesn’t like Labor Day?
ALEC.

Kochs must have their fingers in that pie.

Speaking of pie, that “Mississippi Mud Pie” was INTENSE. I had to serve it up with a scoop of vanilla ice cream so I wouldn’t faint from the chocolate spike.

77 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 30, 2014 7:23:42pm

re: #75 jonhendry

I bet the think tank’s salaried employees just *loved* that.

Those fuckers probably don’t even get overtime.

78 stpaulbear  Aug 30, 2014 7:24:06pm

re: #65 jaunte

Washington conservative think tank to boycott Labor Day by working Monday

Stickin’ it to the Man!

You know, they could really stick it to the man by working Saturday and Sunday EVERY week. Never let up. Show the unions who’s boss.

79 jaunte  Aug 30, 2014 7:26:04pm

re: #78 stpaulbear

That’s right, the best way to “to advance individual liberty, free enterprise, and limited, accountable government” is to become a Stakhanovite.

80 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 30, 2014 7:29:18pm

Dim Jim is the “Patient Zero” when it comes to the epidemic of Derp and outright lies spreading across the RWNJ networks.

RBS

81 MomSense  Aug 30, 2014 7:30:07pm

re: #1 The War TARDIS

Please tell me it was better than the last one. I’m just hoping it was the weird/disjointed script and not Capaldi that made me dislike it.

82 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 30, 2014 7:30:37pm

re: #78 stpaulbear

You know, they could really stick it to the man by working Saturday and Sunday EVERY week. Never let up. Show the unions who’s boss.

Work overtime for no pay!

Work all the time for no pay! Just for the “dignity of work” to show you’re better than those moochers on welfare.
//

83 Kragar  Aug 30, 2014 7:31:00pm

This guy is a treasure:

84 calochortus  Aug 30, 2014 7:33:22pm

re: #82 Pie-onist Overlord

Work overtime for no pay!

Work all the time for no pay! Just for the “dignity of work” to show you’re better than those moochers on welfare.
//

Hmm, we housewives deserve more respect for our work then. And yet, so many conservatives seem to rate people’s value by their paycheck.

85 calochortus  Aug 30, 2014 7:34:16pm

re: #83 Kragar

This guy is a treasure:

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Fascinating. Which front did Bush lead from?

86 Kragar  Aug 30, 2014 7:36:41pm

re: #85 calochortus

Fascinating. Which front did Bush lead from?

87 Skip Intro  Aug 30, 2014 7:38:53pm

re: #78 stpaulbear

You know, they could really stick it to the man by working Saturday and Sunday EVERY week. Never let up. Show the unions who’s boss.

After just watching the Dorothea Lange program on PBS, I think this pic of hers shows just how far we haven’t come in 80 years.

88 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 30, 2014 7:39:26pm

re: #83 Kragar

Geddes is apparently too stupid to even be a Republican; the rest of his party has concluded that G. W. Bush was never the president.

89 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 30, 2014 7:40:40pm

re: #86 Kragar

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Lord Cardigan led the British Light Cavalry Brigade from the front. Doesn’t mean that it’s the right plan.

RBS

90 Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2014 7:40:58pm

re: #77 Pie-onist Overlord

Those fuckers probably don’t even get overtime.

But they get pie on Henry Clay Frick’s birthday.

91 Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2014 7:42:51pm

re: #87 Skip Intro

After just watching the Dorothea Lange program on PBS, I think this pic of hers shows just how far we haven’t come in 80 years.

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Air is fifty cents at a gas station machine now.

92 Ryan King  Aug 30, 2014 7:43:04pm

re: #60 b_sharp

How do you know? You only speak Canadien you hoser.

93 Kragar  Aug 30, 2014 7:44:17pm

re: #89 RealityBasedSteve

Lord Cardigan led the British Light Cavalry Brigade from the front. Doesn’t mean that it’s the right plan.

RBS

94 jaunte  Aug 30, 2014 7:46:13pm

1978: Gas Stations Now Charging For Air

………..

news.google.com

95 Ryan King  Aug 30, 2014 7:50:22pm

Lead from the front = lead from your junk

96 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 30, 2014 7:52:55pm

They can afford it. You wanna start a GoFundMe for the poor richs who are leaving the country?

97 Ryan King  Aug 30, 2014 7:53:51pm

This Is My Rifle This Is My Gun foreign policy.

Best with cowboy boots.

98 Zamb  Aug 30, 2014 7:58:12pm

re: #86 Kragar

That’ll happen when you define vision and place in the world as aggressive intervention only.

99 Skip Intro  Aug 30, 2014 7:59:17pm

re: #96 Pie-onist Overlord

They can afford it. You wanna start a GoFundMe for the poor richs who are leaving the country?

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Now, the State Department interim rule just raised the fee for renunciation of U.S. citizenship to $2,350 from $450.

Well, that’s sure going to make the billionaires think twice before renouncing their citizenship, isn’t it Bryan, you ignorant sack of shit?

100 palomino  Aug 30, 2014 8:01:11pm

The AFP photog has nothing to feel bad about. The picture of Obama with Danish PM doesn’t make anyone look bad. They look like humans enjoying a rare moment of international leaders getting together and getting along.

Only the Hofts of the world have a problem with Obama’s selfie. And remember, these people made up their minds back in 2007 that Obama was pure evil down to his Kenyan commie terror-loving birth certificate-less core. Viewed through that prism, everything Obama does is reprehensible…or can easily be spun that way.

There was a similar derangement syndrome amongst the left against Bush, but it was mild by comparison. Race and xenophobia didn’t play a part. Nor did anything as intense as the reactionary right wing fever currently gripping older Republicans/baggers.

101 Chez Ko Pe  Aug 30, 2014 8:20:34pm

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

The URL of the article is different from the actual title; it reads, “7-wacky-farts-that-can-help-us-understand-ferguson.” I wonder if that’s deliberate.

102 BongCrodny  Aug 30, 2014 8:26:55pm

re: #83 Kragar

This guy is a treasure:

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I see that his tag is “lesstaxingcpa.”

Making a note to never get my taxes done by that guy.

103 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Aug 30, 2014 8:27:44pm

Anne Applebaum on Slate tonight wants us to hear her out and consider a full military war with Russia.

I guess Putin is just crazy enough to do stuff he shouldn’t rationally do, like engage in a war with a willing combatant that is better equipped and would surely win - but not so crazy to escalate and do stuff he really, really shouldn’t rationally do when the shit plays out poorly for him.

Best-case, quasi-dictator learns his lesson and never again will another try to test the world order, like all the other times. Worst-case, you know, whatever. Death or Glory, rapture, the machines were going to do it eventually so better we do it, can’t live forever -something like that.

104 Chez Ko Pe  Aug 30, 2014 8:34:14pm

re: #99 Skip Intro

There are two things I think should go through the damn roof: the prices we charge Russia when Putin finally folds on his suicidal embargo*, and fees on wealthy traitors when they come crawling back to America, even to visit family.

*to be waived in the event of the verified exile or execution of both Pootie-Poot and Igor Strelkov.

105 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 30, 2014 8:48:21pm

re: #103 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

Anne Applebaum on Slate tonight wants us to hear her out and consider a full military war with Russia.

The cockroaches would be grateful anyway.

106 Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2014 9:08:58pm

re: #101 Chez Ko Pe

The URL of the article is different from the actual title; it reads, “7-wacky-farts-that-can-help-us-understand-ferguson.” I wonder if that’s deliberate.

This was actually the original title of the article. Apparently an editor stepped in and said, “What the hell are you thinking?” and changed it before it became a social media outrage-fest.

107 goddamnedfrank  Aug 30, 2014 9:17:17pm

Just so we’re clear, this is what real courage looks like. It’s not the typical example of the in the moment act of bravery carried out with little or no time to consider the consequences. This was the self-sacrificing act of a person who was fully aware of the very real increased risk she took, who had plenty of time to think about it, to back out and to maximize her own chances of survival. Instead she chose to do something truly great.

July 30, 2014 — A biomedical researcher with an unusually aggressive form of breast cancer has taken an extraordinary step to “immortalize” her cancer cells.

Kimberly L. Koss, PhD, 57, skipped standard presurgical chemotherapy in an effort to grow pure versions of the cells removed after her mastectomy.

Chemotherapy would have damaged the cancer cells and made them less likely to live on in lab cultures, which is a rare scientific achievement. But chemotherapy also might have boosted Koss’ chances of survival.

108 Lidane  Aug 30, 2014 9:24:39pm

re: #65 jaunte

Washington conservative think tank to boycott Labor Day by working Monday

Stickin’ it to the Man!

Because nothing shows defiance like going into work on Monday when everyone else is taking the day off.

Morons.

109 Lidane  Aug 30, 2014 9:29:32pm

re: #86 Kragar

Prob: we haven’t had a vision since 1989 on who we want to be in world.

Interesting choice of dates. Gee… I wonder what happened in 1989 and why it would be a problem for the American right.

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110 andres  Aug 30, 2014 9:42:12pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

This was actually the original title of the article. Apparently an editor stepped in and said, “What the hell are you thinking?” and changed it before it became a social media outrage-fest.

He still left all the fart videos and references tho.

By the way, it’s an excellent articule that goes into the details of the situation at Fergurson.

What’ more saddening about this articule is that, Cracked is doing a hell of a better job than many at the news media at presenting these very facts.

111 goddamnedfrank  Aug 30, 2014 9:43:48pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

The thing that gets me is that the death Dr. Koss increased her chances of having, if / when it comes, won’t be at all glorious. Cancers like that kill people in some of the most horrible ways possible, those deaths are prolonged, painful and ugly. Added to that, these kinds of deaths aren’t at all celebrated in our culture, we hide them away, we prefer not to think too much about suffering of any type, especially the mundane kind that’s we’ve become ashamedly accustomed to, that strips its victims of all their dignity and strength before taking them entirely.

We celebrate all the wrong things.

112 andres  Aug 30, 2014 9:44:44pm

re: #108 Lidane

Because nothing shows defiance like going into work on Monday when everyone else is taking the day off.

Morons.

It’s an act of defiance, alright.

But water cooler meetings on Tuesday are going to be awkward to say the least.

There’s an upside to this: most people who would agree with them might start to look them differently. I hope it’s enough for them to question other policies.

113 Lidane  Aug 30, 2014 9:48:30pm

re: #112 andres

I’m just wondering what they hope to accomplish. Do they think people are suddenly going to give up their long Labor Day weekend? Wishful thinking.

114 darthstar  Aug 30, 2014 9:54:50pm

Jim who?

115 darthstar  Aug 30, 2014 9:56:29pm

re: #114 darthstar

Jim who?

Sorry…but there are more intelligent people on the internet than Jim Hoft whom I can mock for doing stupid things, and not feel like I’m kicking a handicapped third grader while I do it.

116 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Aug 30, 2014 9:58:04pm

re: #105 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The cockroaches would be grateful anyway.

The cold-weather ones would suffer for sure, not having heated houses to nest in, but the rest of them, let’s call them the latin-types, would benefit long-term. They’d have the run of the place. Maybe more lonely, but you know, an easier lifestyle.

117 teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2014 10:03:11pm

re: #114 darthstar

Jim who?

RUNAWAY JIM

Youtube Video

118 ausador  Aug 30, 2014 10:08:30pm
119 andres  Aug 30, 2014 10:08:55pm

re: #113 Lidane

I’m just wondering what they hope to accomplish. Do they think people are suddenly going to give up their long Labor Day weekend? Wishful thinking.

I think you are right. They see it as a logical action, not as a crazy and baseless one.

120 goddamnedfrank  Aug 30, 2014 10:09:16pm

How did I miss this one?

(CNN) — The recording sounds like something from Jim Crow days: a white supervisor threatening to hang an African-American employee for drinking water from a “white people” fountain.
But it’s 2014, in Memphis, Tennessee.

Fuckin’ insane.

121 goddamnedfrank  Aug 30, 2014 10:11:19pm

re: #113 Lidane

I’m just wondering what they hope to accomplish. Do they think people are suddenly going to give up their long Labor Day weekend? Wishful thinking.

Their office assistants and interns are going to put pubes in their coffee and food. That’s what’s going to be accomplished.

122 Egregious Philbin  Aug 30, 2014 10:15:47pm

DERP!

123 KiTA  Aug 30, 2014 10:20:32pm

re: #113 Lidane

I’m just wondering what they hope to accomplish. Do they think people are suddenly going to give up their long Labor Day weekend? Wishful thinking.

It will give them ammo when they try to force the issue over the next few years.

They’ve already used social engineering, union busting, and a host of illegal tactics to crush labor in the US - why not do in Labor Day, too?

124 jonhendry  Aug 30, 2014 10:20:41pm

Lol. Listening to a Marcus Brigstocke comedy program on BBC Radio 4. This episode is about religion.

He has a bit about doing a drawing of Mohammad as a “Magic Eye” picture. Angry Islamist goes to his Imam to show him the picture. Imam tries for 10 minutes and is like “No, I don’t see anything. Wait… I think I see a dolphin.”

Note: I normally have no time whatsoever for “drawing Mohammad” asshattery that only aims to offend. The “Magic Eye” angle on this spoken skit was an amusing angle on it though. Especially since I’ve never been able to see anything in those.

125 Kid A  Aug 30, 2014 10:25:10pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Thanks for the HT. When I saw Hoft’s tweets this afternoon coming from a church funeral, that got me thinking about his postings about the Mandela memorial, and what a hypocrite he is.

Did he not think people might notice that he’s taking a selfie at a funeral?

It’s not something I would do. Not the time or place. But that’s just me.

It’s not just you. It’s beyond tacky.

126 goddamnedfrank  Aug 30, 2014 10:44:05pm

re: #123 KiTA

It will give them ammo when they try to force the issue over the next few years.

They’ve already used social engineering, union busting, and a host of illegal tactics to crush labor in the US - why not do in Labor Day, too?

The Republican’s will never “do in” Labor Day. The best they’ll ever go for is to rename it after Ronald Reagan’s enlarged prostate.

127 teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2014 10:51:22pm

Retweeted by @conor64. HURR HURR!!!1!

128 ausador  Aug 30, 2014 10:51:49pm

Hmm…you know, looking at it that way, perhaps it’s not the best preparation for successful future romance.

129 ausador  Aug 30, 2014 11:02:28pm

John Fugelsang (liberal, comedian, christian) is always good when he gets indignant towards “christians” who he feels make Christianity look bad. This one from 2012 is about creationism… (3:06)

Youtube Video

130 BeachDem  Aug 30, 2014 11:28:18pm

re: #129 ausador

John Fugelsang (liberal, comedian, christian) is always good when he gets indignant towards “christians” who he feels make Christianity look bad. This one from 2012 is about creationism… (3:06)

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My favorite Fugelsang: The subtle differences between Ted Nugent and Rosa Parks:

theprogressivesinfluence.com

131 ausador  Aug 30, 2014 11:40:02pm

So dim Jim finally found out about 18 year-old teen Joseph Jennings getting shot by the police in Kansas an entire week ago. Then accuses “the media” of ignoring the story (where were you Jim?) because the kid was white.

132 freetoken  Aug 31, 2014 12:32:24am
133 Kragar  Aug 31, 2014 1:04:19am

re: #131 ausador

So dim Jim finally found out about 18 year-old teen Joseph Jennings getting shot by the police in Kansas an entire week ago. Then accuses “the media” of ignoring the story (where were you Jim?) because the kid was white.

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It was so ignored that I remember reading on several different new sites when it happened.

134 ausador  Aug 31, 2014 1:46:54am
135 jonhendry  Aug 31, 2014 3:02:37am

re: #134 ausador

Also, a lot of businesses, doctor’s offices, hospitals, and whatnot have cable in their waiting areas. Even places that a poor person might visit. Plus businesses that have cable service, like hotels, probably have a cable TV set up in the employee break room, which even the poorest, lowest-paid employee might visit.

136 goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2014 3:39:06am
137 KiTA  Aug 31, 2014 3:48:59am

Satire, but fun: freewoodpost.com

138 Archangelus  Aug 31, 2014 4:19:21am

Bill Maher’s ALS Ice Bucket Challenge with a twist (courtesy of Funny or Die):
FunnyOrDie Video

139 Frenchy  Aug 31, 2014 5:30:33am

I am sure that now that his blatant hypocrisy has been pointed out, Hoft will be issuing an apology any time now. I’ll be holding my breath, shouldn’t take long.

And I am relieved to see that Hoft has a black friend. For a while there I was getting worried that he might be a racist.

140 becominginvisible  Aug 31, 2014 5:31:23am

re: #133 Kragar

I live close to the area where it happened so it was all over my local news because cops seem to have a habit of shooting people with mental illness issues rather than dealing responsibly with the situation. In this situation the kid may or may not have been armed. Civilian witnesses didn’t see a weapon but said he was clutching something in one hand. Something so small they couldn’t tell what it was. Cops knew the kid and refused to let relatives at the scene try to talk the kid into laying down on the ground. The cops escalated the situation and shot him. More than a few reported cases of cops shooting adults and kids who are trying to commit suicide in front of family.

141 Franklin  Aug 31, 2014 5:49:17am

re: #134 ausador

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Jesus, this crap again??

Started in 1985 for landlines and extended to wireless plans in 2005.

Hmmmm….who were the presidents then?

fcc.gov

142 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 5:56:40am

re: #141 Franklin

Jesus, this crap again??

Started in 1985 for landlines and extended to wireless plans in 2005.

Hmmmm….who were the presidents then?

fcc.gov

Actual conversation (more or less) with a family member:
WHY DONT THOSE MOOCHERS GET A JOB INSTEAD OF ME PAYING FOR THEIR PHONE??

Me: How, exactly, are they supposed to get a job, file out applications, etc. and find out if they’ve been hired without having a phone?

USE A PAY PHONE!!1!

143 Franklin  Aug 31, 2014 5:57:51am

re: #142 Timothy Watson

LOL.

144 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 31, 2014 6:20:07am

Zedushka & I are observing the Labor Day holiday by attending the traditional Appliance Store Sale.

145 sattv4u2  Aug 31, 2014 6:23:42am

re: #144 Pie-onist Overlord

Zedushka & I are observing the Labor Day holiday by attending the traditional Appliance Store Sale.

Make it a triple header

Get a new vehicle and a mattress also!

146 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 6:31:37am

re: #133 Kragar

It was so ignored that I remember reading on several different new sites when it happened.

Hoft is just annoyed because the cleaners put too much starch in his Klan robes. Now he has to wear a stiff, scratchy robe to the big Labor Day cross burning.

(Oh yeah, I went there.)

147 Semper Fi  Aug 31, 2014 6:41:46am

re: #144 Pie-onist Overlord

Zedushka & I are observing the Labor Day holiday by attending the traditional Appliance Store Sale.

I need a dishwasher, black finish.

148 Gus  Aug 31, 2014 6:44:57am
149 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 31, 2014 6:46:12am

Good morning Lizards.

Drinking coffee, watching dragonflies flit across the pond. There’s the required “turtle sitting on a half-submerged log”. Cicadas droning in the trees. Dogs (2), cats (2), and my host are all napping or low activity at the moment.

Weather is overcast and warm, going to the mid-80s today.* Chance of thunderstorms.

* - At least cooler than earlier this week when it was hitting at least 90 every day.

150 Semper Fi  Aug 31, 2014 6:55:00am

re: #99 Skip Intro

Now, the State Department interim rule just raised the fee for renunciation of U.S. citizenship to $2,350 from $450.

Well, that’s sure going to make the billionaires think twice before renouncing their citizenship, isn’t it Bryan, you ignorant sack of shit?

You did pretty good cleaning-up that last sentence. How many tries did it take?

151 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 7:05:44am

It’s Sunday and it feels like Monday to me.

Why?

152 Flounder  Aug 31, 2014 7:07:08am

The leaves are already changing in upstate New York. Went up to camp in Wanakena NY. Tried sinking the boat and saw a big bear! Unfortunately, millions of fish in Cranberry lake survived the outing, only a 4 inch perch met a horrible hook swallowed end. Couldn’t ask for better weather, snuggling weather!

153 Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2014 7:07:23am

re: #149 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards.

Drinking coffee, watching dragonflies flit across the pond. There’s the required “turtle sitting on a half-submerged log”. Cicadas droning in the trees. Dogs (2), cats (2), and my host are all napping or low activity at the moment.

Weather is overcast and warm, going to the mid-80s today.* Chance of thunderstorms.

* - At least cooler than earlier this week when it was hitting at least 90 every day.

98 degrees, 98 humidity today and tomorrow. Then we get a week of rain*.

*Standard movable AL forecast: “a week of rain starting in two days”.

154 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 7:10:07am

Mornin’ everyone. Is it snarky in here? I feel snarky.

155 PhillyPretzel  Aug 31, 2014 7:12:12am

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

Because it is a 3 day weekend.

156 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 7:17:18am
157 urbanmeemaw  Aug 31, 2014 7:18:16am

re: #87 Skip Intro

After just watching the Dorothea Lange program on PBS, I think this pic of hers shows just how far we haven’t come in 80 years.

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That program was powerful.

158 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 7:18:51am

re: #150 Semper Fi

You did pretty good cleaning-up that last sentence. How many tries did it take?

The State Department has raised many fees in the past few years. It’s actually less about internal costs than it is a permissible way of raising revenues. The reason goes back to someone mentioned upthread:

Grover Norquist (head of Americans for Tax Reform) has made clear his pledge not to increase taxes does not apply to fees. So while increasing the exit tax on people renouncing citizenship is out of the question (any member of Congress who voted to do so after having signed Norquist’s pledge would be in violation of said pledge), raising fees in order to increase revenues is not considered by Mr. Norquist to be a violation of the pledge.

159 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 7:21:12am

I really don’t even know who this fucker is, but apparently he’s on TV and has rock hard abs. But I have a strong dislike for likable people who spend 6 hours a day in a gym and then 15 minutes on TV chastising viewers about their physical fitness because 20 minutes of exercise a day blah blah blah…

160 missliberties  Aug 31, 2014 7:22:31am

See there people Hoft is no racist. He has black friends.

161 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 7:23:04am

Looks like it might get better in my part of the world about midweek.

162 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 7:24:08am

re: #155 PhillyPretzel

Because it is a 3 day weekend.

I hate interruptions to my schedule.

Holidays are the worst.

I swear if one year we could skip holidays, mostly xmas, I could pay all my bills, save money and have a clean house.

163 Gus  Aug 31, 2014 7:25:27am

re: #159 darthstar

I really don’t even know who this fucker is, but apparently he’s on TV and has rock hard abs. But I have a strong dislike for likable people who spend 6 hours a day in a gym and then 15 minutes on TV chastising viewers about their physical fitness because 20 minutes of exercise a day blah blah blah…

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Think I saw the Tweet in question. I’ll be muting people who bring it up on Twitter. Don’t care. Never heard of him.

164 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 7:26:00am
165 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 7:26:02am

re: #159 darthstar

He’s getting yelled at for writing these two tweets:

166 Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2014 7:26:29am

re: #162 FemNaziBitch

I hate interruptions to my schedule.

Holidays are the worst.

I swear if one year we could skip holidays, mostly xmas, I could pay all my bills, save money and have a clean house.

Feminazi War on Christmas Chinese Child Assembly Workers.

167 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 7:26:41am

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

He’s getting yelled at for writing these two tweets:

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Thanks…okay, so he’s an asshole.

168 Gus  Aug 31, 2014 7:27:07am

Not this again. Some random guy on Twitter says something stupid and I’m supposed to make it my day’s goal.

169 Semper Fi  Aug 31, 2014 7:27:13am

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

It’s Sunday and it feels like Monday to me.

Why?

Because you ate your breakfast using chop sticks?

170 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 7:28:59am
171 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 7:30:34am

remind me again, if I want to search my image library, what do I type put in the search box?

172 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 7:31:13am
173 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 7:31:57am
174 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 7:32:54am

Really?

175 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 7:33:52am
176 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 31, 2014 7:34:50am

re: #134 ausador

The wingnuts’ “If you can afford X then why do you need Y?” argument is one of their faves and, therefore, seriously flawed. How many of them only buy what they absolutely need at the lowest possible price so that they can, for instance, save for a rainy day - or a good lawyer?

If Rep. Duncan had any sense (Oxymoron alert!) he’d be pushing a bill to provide subsidized cable and flatscreens to low income people. That way they might be too busy watching TV to take to the streets in numbers and hang Rep. Duncan and his masters from the nearest lamp post.

177 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 7:35:53am

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Though I disagree with Mr. Halevy on the matter of gun control, his stance in support of Israel has my concurrence and I agree with him regarding Kajieme Powell.

Despite the shootings happening the same area, the deaths of Kajieme Powell and Michael Brown were very different. A cop pulled up to Brown for walking in the middle of the street, plus Brown was unarmed and was shot while trying to run away.

By contrast, two cops pulled up to Powell after reports that he had robbed a store and was armed with a knife. There is video proof of Powell moving towards the officers while holding his knife after being told to put it down by them. Powell did this while saying “Shoot me now.” That is not a racist murder by police; What it is is a mentally ill man who happened to be black committing ‘suicide by cop’. It’s true that the police response in that case should have been better (the officers should have been told Powell appeared to be mentally ill), but Powell’s death was not the result of police racism whereas there is strong evidence to conclude that Michael Brown’s death was the result of racism.

178 Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2014 7:36:16am

Dim Jim tweets: “with my great friend”.
Translation: “with my token black friend”.

Seriously, who says “with my great friend”? Who the fuck talks like that? What a fraud. What a fake.

179 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 7:36:38am
180 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 7:36:46am

I see a problem with this. The ranking of peoples. Just wrong.

181 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 7:38:44am
182 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 7:41:27am

re: #172 FemNaziBitch

To repeat, because I think it is important to be clear on the point, Kajieme Powell was shot while doing the exact opposite thing the protestors were doing: He had a knife in his hand while advancing towards police officers and he was saying “Shoot me now.”

In retrospect, the police should have pulled up much further from Powell and kept him contained till he could be talked down. But to do that, they would have needed to know that Powell was acting in a way that indicated he was mentally ill and they were not told that before arriving at the scene. By the time they knew, they were too close to Powell to risk lowering their guns.

183 Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2014 7:43:45am
184 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 7:46:15am
185 Varek Raith  Aug 31, 2014 7:46:31am

Good morning.

186 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 7:46:34am

re: #183 Dr. Matt

From space, it looks like a pinpoint. So does Rhode Island.

187 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 7:46:50am

re: #185 Varek Raith

Good morning.

eh

188 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 31, 2014 7:47:04am

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

But to do that, they would have needed to know that Powell was acting in a way that indicated he was mentally ill and they were not told that before arriving at the scene.

Advancing toward armed police while saying “Shoot me now,” isn’t a tip-off that Powell had mental problems? Did all of the officers on-scene forget their Tasers and batons that day?

189 Varek Raith  Aug 31, 2014 7:47:25am

re: #187 FemNaziBitch

eh

Oh right.
Apologies.
Morning sucks.
;)

190 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 7:48:09am

re: #169 Semper Fi

Because you ate your breakfast using chop sticks?

No, that’s not it.

191 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 7:49:58am

re: #189 Varek Raith

Just come in here and start stirring shit up first thing in the morning, why don’t you? Sheesh.

Good morning.

192 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 7:50:41am

re: #169 Semper Fi

Because you ate your breakfast using chop sticks?

Not a bad way to eat Cheerios, I hear.

193 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 7:50:52am
194 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 7:53:05am

re: #188 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Advancing toward armed police while saying “Shoot me now,” isn’t a tip-off that Powell had mental problems? Did all of the officers on-scene forget their Tasers and batons that day?

Almost all American police are trained to shoot when faced with someone advancing on them with a knife. Trying to defend against a knife with a contact weapon risks getting slashed and officer safety is deemed of greater importance than what happens to the assailant.

195 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 7:56:01am
197 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 7:57:35am

re: #184 darthstar

Youtube Video

198 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 7:58:42am

Luckily, the Forced Family Fun is over for now. It was executed yesterday.

I’m have a bad pain spell,

bear with me.

199 Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2014 7:59:19am

re: #196 Varek Raith

Small plane bound for Manassas triggers fighter jets; crashes in Atlantic Ocean

Alex Jones: “This stinks to high heaven! Clearly this is another false flag operation led by the New World Order”.

200 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 8:00:36am
201 Chez Ko Pe  Aug 31, 2014 8:00:39am

re: #131 ausador

So dim Jim finally found out about 18 year-old teen Joseph Jennings getting shot by the police in Kansas an entire week ago. Then accuses “the media” of ignoring the story (where were you Jim?) because the kid was white.

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The corporate-owned “liberal” not-actually-liberal media can’t set off The Great American Race War with a story about a white kid getting shot by white cops.

But hey, if Jimmy-Jim wants to join the protest against police brutality and murder, he’s welcome to hand out these leaflets…only he’s gotta ditch the whole “white people are the only REAL victims of anything, everywhere, throughout history” malarkey.

202 FemNaziBitch  Aug 31, 2014 8:02:20am

bbl

203 Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2014 8:03:22am

re: #169 Semper Fi

Because you ate your breakfast using chop sticks?

“Man who catch cheerio with chopstick capable of anything.”

204 Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2014 8:03:39am
205 Eventual Carrion  Aug 31, 2014 8:03:44am

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

It’s Sunday and it feels like Monday to me.

Why?

It’s cool, tomorrow will feel like Sunday to me.

206 allegro  Aug 31, 2014 8:04:01am

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Almost all American police are trained to shoot when faced with someone advancing on them with a knife. Trying to defend against a knife with a contact weapon risks getting slashed and officer safety is deemed of greater importance than what happens to the assailant.

Shoot only when all else has failed SHOULD be the default position. Those police came in multiple guns blazing within 4 or 5 seconds of contact. There was NO attempt to de-escalate the situation even though the police were not in danger from the guy at that moment.

207 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 8:06:03am

re: #206 allegro

Shoot only when all else has failed SHOULD be the default position. Those police came in multiple guns blazing within 4 or 5 seconds of contact. There was NO attempt to de-escalate the situation even though the police were not in danger from the guy at that moment.

The guy was within five or ten yards from the police. Do you know how long it takes to holster a weapon, grab the baton or other less-than-lethal weapon, and deploy it?

208 Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2014 8:06:53am
209 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 8:07:16am

DF, I can’t believe you apologized to that fuck. He’s an arrogant piece of shit and denies racism like your garden variety bigot.

And he called me a nobody.

210 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 8:09:30am

re: #207 Timothy Watson

The guy was within five or ten yards from the police. Do you know how long it takes to holster a weapon, grab the baton or other less-than-lethal weapon, and deploy it?

He was closer than that. I’ve seen the video and he was around 10-12 feet from the police officers. At that distance, a knife wielding attacker can close and slash in far less time than it takes to holster a pistol and deploy a Taser.

211 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 8:11:05am

re: #209 darthstar

DF, I can’t believe you apologized to that fuck. He’s an arrogant piece of shit and denies racism like your garden variety bigot.

And he called me a nobody.

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I don’t see the tweets he was being attacked over as racism.

212 allegro  Aug 31, 2014 8:11:19am

re: #207 Timothy Watson

The guy was within five or ten yards from the police. Do you know how long it takes to holster a weapon, grab the baton or other less-than-lethal weapon, and deploy it?

Yes, I do. I also know how to disarm a guy with a knife without any weapon at all. Can you tell me why every cop there had a gun drawn to shoot rather than one of them prepared with a baton or taser instead?

213 Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2014 8:11:47am

re: #201 Chez Ko Pe

There was a little film made back in 1973 directed by Ivan Dixon (of Hogan’s Heroes fame) that, if made today, would no doubt have the wingnuts shrieking in hysteria. It’s not a bad film, though it’s often incorrectly considered part of the “blaxploitation” genre that was popular in that era.

I can well imagine Dim Jim dedicating breathless, round-the-clock coverage to it, as well as Drudge, Rush Limbaugh, etc. Word is distributors were pressured to pull it from circulation by the FBI themselves, it was considered so incendiary.

Soon after its release, with the facilitation of F.B.I. suppression, the film was removed from theaters as a result of its politically controversial message.

The only reason it’s even known of today is thanks to Tim Reid of WKRP In Cincinnati; his video company essentially saved the film from obscurity.

imdb.com

And if you’d like to see it in all it’s revolutionary passion, it’s on YouTube.

214 Semper Fi  Aug 31, 2014 8:13:12am

re: #207 Timothy Watson

The guy was within five or ten yards from the police. Do you know how long it takes to holster a weapon, grab the baton or other less-than-lethal weapon, and deploy it?

I think more and more the baton is only used to knock on doors…or is that the movies?

215 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 8:13:37am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

I don’t see the tweets he was being attacked over as racism.

His defensiveness makes them that way. Had he said, “Well, some people are upset with me, I guess I could have phrased that better.” he might have saved face. Calling people rightly upset by white-on-black killings ‘trolls’ makes him a racist AND an asshole…and what’s worse, you sucked up to him…what the fuck is that about?

216 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 8:18:02am

re: #212 allegro

Yes, I do. I also know how to disarm a guy with a knife without any weapon at all. Can you tell me why every cop there had a gun drawn to shoot rather than one of them prepared with a baton or taser instead?

So…what, you’re going to allow a guy who’s armed with a knife to close to hand-to-hand combat range just to disarm him?

And have we established that St. Louis PD equips all its officers with tasers? Some departments, especially after the rampant misuse of tasers, and the resultant videos, over the last couple years, only equip supervisors with tasers.

217 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 8:18:31am

re: #215 darthstar

His defensiveness makes them that way. Had he said, “Well, some people are upset with me, I guess I could have phrased that better.” he might have saved face. Calling people rightly upset by white-on-black killings ‘trolls’ makes him a racist AND an asshole…and what’s worse, you sucked up to him…what the fuck is that about?

I feel he is being unjustly attacked. And you’ve got to read through his timeline: Most of the people calling him ‘racist’ are attacking him for supporting Israel. If he’s defensive after dealing with a bunch of “Free Gaza” DARVO-spewers, then I understand because I’ve gotten hostile in such cases myself.

218 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 8:20:37am

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

I wasn’t attacking him, I was ridiculing him.

219 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 8:27:24am

re: #218 darthstar

I wasn’t attacking him, I was ridiculing him.

Those two things often appear as exactly the same to a person who has been mocked and maligned repeatedly.

220 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 8:27:29am

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

If he’s defensive after dealing with a bunch of “Free Gaza” DARVO-spewers, then I understand because I’ve gotten hostile in such cases myself.

I know we disagree on the merits of slaughtering thousands of Palestinians. Let us just leave it at that. But do take a look at your rhetoric when it comes to Palestinians and their supporters (I bolded it for you)…that kind of talk will never get you laid.

221 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 8:28:11am

FYI: I get really annoyed at some of the commentary out there regarding police shootings. I used to religiously read the blog “Popehat” but stopped after one of the authors there, along with a bunch of the commenters, accused the police of murdering this woman, as if the police are going to talk a mentally ill woman out of her car while she’s trying to run them over.

222 darthstar  Aug 31, 2014 8:30:17am

Okay…I can’t sit around here all day butt naked arguing with DF…going to get a move on. Hummingbirds are bitching about their empty feeder, dogs need food, wife needs more tea. And yeah, I should probably think about putting on some clothes.

223 allegro  Aug 31, 2014 8:30:29am

re: #216 Timothy Watson

So…what, you’re going to allow a guy who’s armed with a knife to close to hand-to-hand combat range just to disarm him?

Depends on the situation. What I do expect is for police officers to be trained well enough not to panic at the sight of a knife. I expect them to try to defuse a situation when dealing with a mentally ill person who is saying “Shoot me now” before filling the guy with lead within seconds of contact. There was no such attempt.

224 PhillyPretzel  Aug 31, 2014 8:32:28am

OT I just posted a page on Downton Abbey. It is a sneak peek for the upcoming season. littlegreenfootballs.com

225 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 8:33:26am

re: #223 allegro

Depends on the situation. What I do expect is for police officers to be trained well enough not to panic at the sight of a knife. I expect them to try to defuse a situation when dealing with a mentally ill person who is saying “Shoot me now” before filling the guy with lead within seconds of contact. There was no such attempt.

Uh…the cops told the guy repeatedly to stop and drop the knife from what I recall, and when he fails to do that…what, exactly, are they supposed to do? Ask nicely again?

226 PhillyPretzel  Aug 31, 2014 8:35:54am

OT Joan Rivers is unconscious at Mount Sinai Hospital. Here is the story from yahoo: tv.yahoo.com

227 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 31, 2014 8:37:12am

re: #225 Timothy Watson

Uh…the cops told the guy repeatedly to stop and drop the knife from what I recall, and when he fails to do that…what, exactly, are they supposed to do? Ask nicely again?

Not shoot him a bunch after he has already fallen down, maybe?

228 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 8:39:28am

re: #226 PhillyPretzel

OT Joan Rivers is unconscious at Mount Sinai Hospital. Here is the story from yahoo: tv.yahoo.com

She’s lived to be 81 and at that age you tend not to come back from things that make you stop breathing. I hope she recovers fully, but it might just be her time to go.

229 PhillyPretzel  Aug 31, 2014 8:40:51am

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

I realize that but it is still very sad. :(

230 Semper Fi  Aug 31, 2014 8:43:20am

re: #221 Timothy Watson

FYI: I get really annoyed at some of the commentary out there regarding police shootings. I used to religiously read the blog “Popehat” but stopped after one of the authors there, along with a bunch of the commenters, accused the police of murdering this woman, as if the police are going to talk a mentally ill woman out of her car while she’s trying to run them over.

The events concerning this incident, I thought, put the police at great risk and their behavior throughout was most commendable. She was obviously ill and her daughter lost her mom because she was…sad.

231 makeitstop  Aug 31, 2014 8:44:01am

Morning, Lizards!

The weekend proceeds apace. We went to the wedding of a good friend last night and saw a ton of people we haven’t seen in years.

And today, we’re heading out to The Cloisters, armed with cameras. Hopefully I’ll bring back some shots worthy of that beautiful venue.

232 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 31, 2014 8:45:20am

re: #131 ausador

233 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 8:46:24am

re: #223 allegro

Depends on the situation. What I do expect is for police officers to be trained well enough not to panic at the sight of a knife. I expect them to try to defuse a situation when dealing with a mentally ill person who is saying “Shoot me now” before filling the guy with lead within seconds of contact. There was no such attempt.

They started off too close and only one of the officers had training to do such a thing. If someone is 10-12 feet away from you with a knife and is moving towards you, you don’t have time to defuse the situation. Either they drop the knife or you drop them then and there.

Lowering your gun in such a case may well be fatal, because if the mentally ill person becomes enraged without warning, they could close with you and slash you before you can raise your weapon and fire. Again, defusing would only have been possible if the cops had known Powell was mentally ill before pulling up and they had not been told that.

234 Semper Fi  Aug 31, 2014 8:48:19am

re: #223 allegro

Depends on the situation. What I do expect is for police officers to be trained well enough not to panic at the sight of a knife. I expect them to try to defuse a situation when dealing with a mentally ill person who is saying “Shoot me now” before filling the guy with lead within seconds of contact. There was no such attempt.

If the plus + sign would stay ‘green’ I’d still be dinging it for your comment.

235 Lidane  Aug 31, 2014 8:50:40am

Morning, Lizards! How goes the war on derp this fine Sunday?

236 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 8:52:50am

I need to point out that police normally pull up their cruisers in close when dealing with a robber on order to keep him from running. So the police were going by book in how they came in. They do pull up further away if they’ve been told the suspect appears mentally ill, but again, in Kajieme Powell’s case they were not told that.

238 allegro  Aug 31, 2014 8:57:48am

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

I need to point out that police normally pull up their cruisers in close when dealing with a robber on order to keep him from running. So the police were going by book in how they came in. They do pull up further away if they’ve been told the suspect appears mentally ill, but again, in Kajieme Powell’s case they were not told that.

And taking a few steps back to increase the distance between them would be so out of the question.

239 Lidane  Aug 31, 2014 9:01:47am
240 blueraven  Aug 31, 2014 9:06:45am

re: #237 Varek Raith

ISIS siege of Iraqi town over after U.S. airstrikes, aid drops

Good news. Encouraging to see Iraqi forces show some backbone.

241 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 9:09:42am

re: #238 allegro

And taking a few steps back to increase the distance between them would be so out of the question.

Yes, it was. If you are dealing with someone close in with a knife you’ve got to keep you full attention on him and that makes walking backward very risky. You can’t see if there is a area of road lower or higher than where you are nor if there is something your feet need to avoid. And given that the safe distance is generally held to be 21 feet, not being able to see those things could be deadly. Because if you trip and fall while moving backwards, you’re dead: The man with a knife is going to close and cut you up before you can recover.

242 Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2014 9:10:31am

re: #133 Kragar

It was so ignored that I remember reading on several different new sites when it happened.

If Hoft’s post seems like gross race-baiting, it’s because it’s lifted without attribution from the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens site - seriously. I had a hunch and checked that hate site, and they have a post about it with almost exactly the same title, and even some of the same points and phrasing in Hoft’s post.

Looks like I need to write another article about Hoft.

243 Lidane  Aug 31, 2014 9:11:07am
244 allegro  Aug 31, 2014 9:12:53am

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it was. If you are dealing with someone close in with a knife you’ve got to keep you full attention on him and that makes walking backward very risky. You can’t see if there is a area of road lower or higher than where you are nor if there is something your feet need to avoid. And given that the safe distance is generally held to be 21 feet, not being able to see those things could be deadly. Because if you trip and fall while moving backwards, you’re dead: The man with a knife is going to close and cut you up before you can recover.

Oh FFS. The mental gymnastics it takes to justify that shooting is simply astounding.

245 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 9:13:02am

re: #240 blueraven

Good news. Encouraging to see Iraqi forces show some backbone.

Almost all of the tankers were Shiites and they were motivated by what they knew would happen to the people of the town if it were to fall to ISIS. The savagery of the ‘Islamic State’ will be a large part of its undoing.

246 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 9:14:48am

re: #244 allegro

Oh FFS. The mental gymnastics it takes to justify that shooting is simply astounding.

No, it isn’t. It reads very simply: The police thought they were dealing with a ‘normal’ armed robbery and by the time they realized they weren’t they were not longer in a position to safely change tactics.

247 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 31, 2014 9:14:49am

BWAHAHAA!

248 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 31, 2014 9:15:37am

I’ve been hijacking their “Fairtax” memes & sending them back into the Twitstream.

249 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 9:17:12am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

No, it isn’t. It reads very simply: The police thought they were dealing with a ‘normal’ armed robbery and by the time they realized they weren’t they were not longer in a position to safely change tactics.

The police were also dealing with someone armed with a knife in a semi-busy residential area (as it appeared from the video).

In addition, depending on the training and procedures, police are not supposed to retreat when approached with deadly force, and that’s exactly what a knife is.

250 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2014 9:18:04am

heh…

251 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 9:22:44am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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Rolling with a joke is usually smarter than getting mad about it.

252 BongCrodny  Aug 31, 2014 9:25:13am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

When I was growing up, Cracked Magazine was a second rate copy of Mad Magazine. Now it’s the other way around.

Definitely not a fan of Mad’s recent ventures into Wingnuttistan.

Still, I thought this was pretty good:

“If Norman Rockwell Depicted Today’s America”

253 jonhendry  Aug 31, 2014 9:25:48am

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Almost all American police are trained to shoot when faced with someone advancing on them with a knife. Trying to defend against a knife with a contact weapon risks getting slashed and officer safety is deemed of greater importance than what happens to the assailant.

Or, you know, the training got cut to save money.

254 sagehen  Aug 31, 2014 9:27:42am

re: #204 Dr. Matt

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Beautiful women, beautiful dresses, but….

(fashion police here)

Is black really the color for an August daytime wedding? Maybe I’m the one who’s out of date, but I seem to remember pastels were the way to go.

255 Lidane  Aug 31, 2014 9:34:40am

re: #254 sagehen

Beautiful women, beautiful dresses, but….

(fashion police here)

Is black really the color for an August daytime wedding? Maybe I’m the one who’s out of date, but I seem to remember pastels were the way to go.

Depends on the wedding, I think. If the bride and groom settled on a black & white wedding theme, they wouldn’t be out of bounds.

256 Dark_Falcon  Aug 31, 2014 9:37:24am

re: #253 jonhendry

Or, you know, the training got cut to save money.

I cannot comment on that as I have no knowledge of the police budget for Saint Louis.

BBL

257 Eventual Carrion  Aug 31, 2014 9:40:17am
258 Lidane  Aug 31, 2014 9:41:21am

re: #257 Eventual Carrion

Poll: 89% Of Illegal Immigrants Would Prefer Path To Corporate Status

I know it’s The Onion, but it sadly makes a lot of sense.

If immigrants were corporations, the GOP would not only consider them people, but they’d actually care about their well-being.

259 BeachDem  Aug 31, 2014 9:42:19am

re: #244 allegro

And in an alternative setting (where the “perp” is a white, gun-brandishing man who is, “…carrying what looks like a large semi-automatic rifle through the streets,” the male caller says. “He does appear to be intoxicated; he’s stumbling around a little bit and kind of bumping into some stuff.”

and at one point says “Why don’t you (expletive) shoot me?”

Hmmmmm

mlive.com

260 jonhendry  Aug 31, 2014 9:43:07am

re: #258 Lidane

And the GOP would use them to counter concerns about corporate inversion - companies moving their legal HQ location to tax havens.

“So we lose a few corporations to the Caymans. Look at all the eager new corporations flooding in over the border!”

261 Belafon  Aug 31, 2014 9:44:38am

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

As i’m sure you’ve heard, a German cop, in the same situation, took the guy down by firing one shot in the leg, incapacitating the man, but not killing him.

262 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 9:45:05am

re: #253 jonhendry

Or, you know, the training got cut to save money.

Have we established that police were ever trained to attempt to disarm a knife-welding suspect?

And for those interested in how police are trained, have a read through of this document, which sets the training requirements for all sworn officers in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

263 BeachDem  Aug 31, 2014 9:45:57am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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Two signatures or two joints?

264 dholmes32  Aug 31, 2014 9:54:30am

re: #242 Charles Johnson

If Hoft’s post seems like gross race-baiting, it’s because it’s lifted without attribution from the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens site - seriously. I had a hunch and checked that hate site, and they have a post about it with almost exactly the same title, and even some of the same points and phrasing in Hoft’s post.

Looks like I need to write another article about Hoft.

Yeah, not only for quoting the CCC *barf* but for lifting a chunk of the story from the CCC withouth attribution AKA plagiarism. What? He’s too embarrassed to note that he stole his story from a bunch of white supremacists?

265 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2014 9:54:33am

re: #263 BeachDem

Two signatures or two joints?

Grover addresses that in the responses to that tweet.
:D

266 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 31, 2014 9:54:48am

No system is perfect, nor any better then the people than use it. That having been said some info on suicide by cop may help understanding now. I clipped in a small portion. I think this genuinely happens, judge for yourself in any particular incident.

Tactics
Suicide by Cop - Tactical Considerations
Page 2
Command
There must be an officer-in-charge of the situation overseeing the primary plan and the back up plan. It should be the senior officer or a supervisor. Initially, the assigned unit will be in charge, however once these officers begin communicating with the suicidal individual, the first unit arriving on the scene as back up assumes command of the incident.

Coordination
Responding units must be properly utilized. An inner and out perimeter established, designated cover officer identified, back up officers positioned and a crisis negotiator requested. The primary and back up plans must be communicated to all officers on the scene and frequently updated as the situation unfolds. Responding units are reminded to turn off their emergency lights sand siren just prior to arriving at the location because these distractions can have a negative effect on a suicidal individual.

Containment
The individual needs to be isolated, yet with enough space to feel comfortable. This space should be large enough to provide officers with cover and sufficient reaction time to respond to an attack and yet be able to communicate with the individual.

267 jonhendry  Aug 31, 2014 9:55:24am

re: #262 Timothy Watson

6.13.4. Demonstration of a takedown or control of subject armed with edged weapon
6.13.4.1. range of attack and officer awareness
6.13.4.2. position for disengagement or escalation depending upon range and relative position
6.13.4.3. stopping/deflecting movement of the edged weapon and using deputy/jail officer’s personal weapons against aggressor’s vulnerable targets to:
6.13.4.3.1. disarm and control subject
6.13.4.3.2. takedown to prone position and restrain

268 Goldenpipewrench  Aug 31, 2014 9:55:59am

nothing to see here…move along…

269 allegro  Aug 31, 2014 9:56:45am

re: #262 Timothy Watson

Have we established that police were ever trained to attempt to disarm a knife-welding suspect?

Wow. You question that just maybe this should be basic training for a police officer? I learned those really basic techniques in a women’s self-defense course.

270 Gus  Aug 31, 2014 9:57:48am

Man the war hawks are going nuts today.

271 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 31, 2014 9:58:11am

Why couldn’t NRA members save Chris Kyle & Charles Vacca?

272 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2014 9:58:53am

re: #271 Pie-onist Overlord

Why couldn’t NRA members save Chris Kyle & Charles Vacca?

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And watch out for those nine-year-old girls…

273 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 9:59:35am

re: #267 jonhendry

6.13.4. Demonstration of a takedown or control of subject armed with edged weapon
6.13.4.1. range of attack and officer awareness
6.13.4.2. position for disengagement or escalation depending upon range and relative position
6.13.4.3. stopping/deflecting movement of the edged weapon and using deputy/jail officer’s personal weapons against aggressor’s vulnerable targets to:
6.13.4.3.1. disarm and control subject
6.13.4.3.2. takedown to prone position and restrain

And what do the previous two points say? If you’re 20 feet from a suspect and he’s advancing on you, what would you’re training say to do?

274 jonhendry  Aug 31, 2014 10:00:59am

re: #273 Timothy Watson

“If you’re 20 feet from a suspect and he’s advancing on you, what would you’re training say to do?”

At some point the cops are always going to be 20 feet away. They aren’t born conjoined to the suspect. There will always be an approach.

Also, you can’t just assume the contents of the training agree with your point of view based on the outline.

275 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 10:01:21am

re: #269 allegro

Wow. You question that just maybe this should be basic training for a police officer? I learned those really basic techniques in a women’s self-defense course.

Was that training based on an advancing suspect while you’re were armed with a handgun?

276 ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2014 10:03:24am

re: #261 Belafon

As i’m sure you’ve heard, a German cop, in the same situation, took the guy down by firing one shot in the leg, incapacitating the man, but not killing him.

Many around these parts say that can no longer be done by police in America.

I don’t get it. We have tasers, tear gas and who knows what else that could be tried…but it seems our police have to shoot at body mass.

Oh yeah…good day! Been lingering and reading since morning, but not much to add. I guess I’m all sportsed out from yesterday. Big start to college football, so I went to a friends house to watch the Oh Hi Oh State Buckeyes start slow and finish strong and beat Navy.

And then in the evening I got all wrapped up in the Cleveburg Indians baseball game that went 11 innings as they won against the Royals. That brought K.C. and Detroit into a tie and the Indians are now 3.5 games back in the AL Central. Hoepfully the Indians take the Royals again today and get ready to face Detroit for a few games next. Pretty exciting race for this time of the year. Which is the best time of the year for baseball.

And by the way…I absolutely loved the Navy football uniforms. Whoever did the designs did a service to the service!

277 allegro  Aug 31, 2014 10:04:56am

re: #275 Timothy Watson

Was that training based on an advancing suspect while you’re were armed with a handgun?

No, actually. It was based on an advancing person - or one who already had a grip on me with a knife to my throat - while I was UNARMED.

Thanks for making my point. Sheesh.

278 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 31, 2014 10:05:09am

re: #262 Timothy Watson

Have we established that police were ever trained to attempt to disarm a knife-welding suspect?

And for those interested in how police are trained, have a read through of this document, which sets the training requirements for all sworn officers in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

Nice one Tim, ya beat me to it as I was reading the LAPD PDF.

279 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 31, 2014 10:06:05am

Wow so courage very patriot much meme

280 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 10:06:37am

re: #274 jonhendry

“If you’re 20 feet from a suspect and he’s advancing on you, what would you’re training say to do?”

At some point the cops are always going to be 20 feet away. They aren’t born conjoined to the suspect.

Also, you can’t just assume the contents of the training agree with your point of view based on the outline.

As Dark Falcon stated repeatedly, they were responding to a call for a robbery suspect, not a mentally ill person seeking to have a cop kill them.

FFS, I can only imagine the outrage that would have started if the police had cordoned off the entire area and called out SWAT to deploy tear gas, flashbangs, pepper-spray, etc. to disarm the suspect.

MILITARIZED POLICE CAN’T DISARM GUY WITH A KNIFE!1!!

Out of curiosity, how many of you guys would volunteer to go hand-to-hand with a suicidal suspect, armed with a knife or other weapon, for $35,000 a year?

281 ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2014 10:07:34am

re: #270 Gus

Man the war hawks are going nuts today.

Hmmm. They probably smell some napalm this morning. Get’s ‘em all hard and stuff.

Sure is a lot of criticism about our ‘soft’ ME warring policy by Obama.

Good. At least he is making everyone think about it instead of scaring everyone into invading sovereign nations, screwing them up and then forcing everyone to deal with the regional mess you left.

But hey, Mission Accomplished!!! WhoooRah!

282 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 10:08:14am

re: #277 allegro

No, actually. It was based on an advancing person - or one who already had a grip on me with a knife to my throat - while I was UNARMED.

Thanks for making my point. Sheesh.

Police training says to shot the person long before you get to that situation.

If they were, somehow, to get into that situation, yes, they would use hand-to-hand combat to defend themselves since it would be impossible to draw and use a weapon.

283 Gus  Aug 31, 2014 10:08:19am
284 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 31, 2014 10:08:29am

OK I’m off to create jobs & build the economy.

285 Gus  Aug 31, 2014 10:08:38am

re: #281 ObserverArt

Hmmm. They probably smell some napalm this morning. Get’s ‘em all hard and stuff.

Sure is a lot of criticism about our ‘soft’ ME warring policy by Obama.

Good. At least he is making everyone think about it instead of scaring everyone into invading sovereign nations, screwing them up and then forcing everyone to deal with the regional mess you left.

But hey, Mission Accomplished!!! WhoooRah!

WOLVERINES!

286 Lidane  Aug 31, 2014 10:09:34am
287 Ryan King  Aug 31, 2014 10:09:43am

re: #268 Goldenpipewrench

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nothing to see here…move along…

The First Rule of White Club: there is no White Club.

288 ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2014 10:11:11am

re: #279 Pie-onist Overlord

Wow so courage very patriot much meme

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You should tweet them back and tell them you’d put together some neat-o images of Reagan and Bush 2 screw ups, but it is pretty hard to make images for the net with so many numbers from things like the Beirut bombing and all the dead from Iraq.

Grrrrr…

289 jonhendry  Aug 31, 2014 10:12:33am

re: #280 Timothy Watson

“Out of curiosity, how many of you guys would volunteer to go hand-to-hand with a suicidal suspect, armed with a knife or other weapon, for $35,000 a year?”

Volunteer firefighters are laughing at you and police with that attitude.

290 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 10:15:03am

re: #289 jonhendry

“Out of curiosity, how many of you guys would volunteer to go hand-to-hand with a suicidal suspect, armed with a knife or other weapon, for $35,000 a year?”

Volunteer firefighters are laughing at you and police with that attitude.

Would that include the same volunteer firefighters who are also police?

291 ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2014 10:15:33am

And now to scrounge up some lunch. I think I hear some turkey gobbling for me to gobble with a nice salad!

Back a bit later…try not to solve ALL the problems. A large part of America isn’t helping, so it makes it tough.

292 Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2014 10:16:32am

Ribs are coming off the grill in 30 minutes. The Beer Fairy has flown early.

293 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 31, 2014 10:19:11am

re: #273 Timothy Watson

And what do the previous two points say? If you’re 20 feet from a suspect and he’s advancing on you, what would you’re training say to do?

I did the 20 foot “interview posture” test many times. It’s actually very difficult to drop what it in your hands, draw the gun and fire before the charging assailant gets to you. We figured out a way to turn it into a live fire drill. It’s harder to prevail than most would imagine. Once the gun is in hand either use it or it’s a liability you would prefer the club at close quarters.

We did it with 3 people-SRO, shooter and attacker. Attacker start at a right angle to the direction of fire and needs only to touch the shooter before an aimed shot is fired to “win”. The SRO keeps everyone safe by being between charging man and shooter.

294 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 10:19:47am

re: #289 jonhendry

“Out of curiosity, how many of you guys would volunteer to go hand-to-hand with a suicidal suspect, armed with a knife or other weapon, for $35,000 a year?”

Volunteer firefighters are laughing at you and police with that attitude.

And I guess a firefighter has never said “We can’t go into the burning building, it’s too much of a risk”, right?

And no EMT has ever refused to go into a situation before the scene was unsafe, right?

295 Gus  Aug 31, 2014 10:21:30am
296 BongCrodny  Aug 31, 2014 10:23:32am

re: #279 Pie-onist Overlord

Wow so courage very patriot much meme

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297 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 31, 2014 10:25:10am

re: #294 Timothy Watson
re: #289 jonhendry

You know whats perfect for a man with a gun is a police attack dog. Now imagine what the critics and PETA would say about putting a dog on a man with a knife to try and not shoot him down, er well like a mad dog himself.

Including myself, we all have a responsibility to remember the limited nature of second guessing first responders. They too want to get home to family safe. This is not to excuse bad tactics or angry policing.

298 Ryan King  Aug 31, 2014 10:25:21am

re: #295 Gus

I just saw Mark Knoller’s tweet, that was my first thought.

I can only imagine what the Tweenuts will do with that.

299 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2014 10:26:56am

re: #294 Timothy Watson

And no EMT has ever refused to go into a situation before the scene was unsafe, right?

I’m assuming there’s a typo there, but as a retired EMT I can clearly say that there is no way we ever were allowed into an unsafe/unsecured scene, because that would create an even greater problem for police and the public.

300 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 10:28:59am

re: #297 Rightwingconspirator

You know whats perfect for a man with a gun is a police attack dog. Now imagine what the critics and PETA would say about putting a dog on a man with a knife to try and not shoot him down, er well like a mad dog himself.

Including myself, we all have e responsibility to remember the limited nature of second guessing first responders. They too want to get home to family safe. This is not to excuse bad tactics or angry policing.

One of the saddest police videos I’ve ever seen was one where they sent in a police K9 to get a guy, who was armed with a gun, out of his car at a traffic stop.

The asshole shot and killed the K9, but ended up in custody anyway and the police officers had to restrain the K9’s handler because he running up the guy probably with the intent to beat the crap out of him.

301 Gus  Aug 31, 2014 10:29:41am

re: #298 Ryan King

I just saw Mark Knoller’s tweet, that was my first thought.

I can only imagine what the Tweenuts will do with that.

“Doesn’t the president realize that wearing a band aid will send the wrong signal to Putin and ISIS?”

302 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 10:30:26am

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m assuming there’s a typo there, but as a retired EMT I can clearly say that there is no way we ever were allowed into an unsafe/unsecured scene, because that would create an even greater problem for police and the public.

Apologies, it should read:

And no EMT has ever refused to go into a situation because the scene was unsafe, right?

303 jonhendry  Aug 31, 2014 10:32:25am

re: #290 Timothy Watson

“Would that include the same volunteer firefighters who are also police?”

Probably not, because their willingness to face danger (that can’t simply be handled by shooting it) isn’t based on the pay.

304 jonhendry  Aug 31, 2014 10:36:55am

re: #294 Timothy Watson

“And I guess a firefighter has never said “We can’t go into the burning building, it’s too much of a risk”, right?”

Of course that happens. But there are many unknowns about fires. It isn’t always obvious how risky it is.

305 allegro  Aug 31, 2014 10:42:20am

re: #304 jonhendry

“And I guess a firefighter has never said “We can’t go into the burning building, it’s too much of a risk”, right?”

Of course that happens. But there are many unknowns about fires. It isn’t always obvious how risky it is.

They also probably take more than about 4 seconds to properly assess the situation and real risks before making the decision to take a life.

306 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2014 10:44:17am

re: #302 Timothy Watson

Apologies, it should read:

And no EMT has ever refused to go into a situation because the scene was unsafe, right?

I figured that’s what you meant, but my point still stands.
Any EMT who would deliberately go into an unsafe/unsecured scene is a danger to everyone involved.

Same goes for your other question:

And I guess a firefighter has never said “We can’t go into the burning, it’s too much of a risk”, right?

The movie Backdraft caused so much gung-ho stupid attitude with the younger macho guys in our fire department.
Yes, sometimes going into a building is too much of a risk, because IT IS.
Real life is not a neat and convenient movie plotline.

307 Lidane  Aug 31, 2014 10:47:15am
308 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 31, 2014 10:49:24am

re: #305 allegro

They also probably take more than about 4 seconds to properly assess the situation and real risks before making the decision to take a life.

Said this the other day,.. but really love to see a first person shooter game flipped into a realistic shoot no shoot simulator. But realistic, not at all like the racial bias shooting test that was linked here days ago. it might be a great test for racial bias response, but it’s a terrible simulation of a policeman or civilian with a gun facing a possible threat out in public.

I am confident such a thing would help anyone understand the perils fairly, and would help those of us who would use a gun in defense to perhaps prevail and at least not screw the pooch.

309 Ryan King  Aug 31, 2014 10:49:48am

49ers look like they might be in the market for some defensive players since they’ve lost key players to injury, drugs and misbehavin, and now domestic violence. Coach has made public statements about domestic violence and his no-tolerance for it.

I wonder if they may pick up any players from the Rams recently cut.

310 Ryan King  Aug 31, 2014 10:56:57am

Seriously, I hope Sam is picked up and can play. It would make football a little more interesting, though it’s still bloodsport.

311 jonhendry  Aug 31, 2014 11:05:01am

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Yes, sometimes going into a building is too much of a risk, because IT IS.”

Sure. But sometimes you simply don’t know that there’s 100,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate stored near the fire. Or whatever the case may be.

312 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2014 11:09:49am

re: #311 jonhendry

“Yes, sometimes going into a building is too much of a risk, because IT IS.”

Sure. But sometimes you simply don’t know that there’s 100,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate stored near the fire. Or whatever the case may be.

FREE MARKETS!!11!! REGULATIONS BAD!!11!!

sigh….

313 De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2014 11:09:59am

Labor Pains

314 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2014 11:11:34am

re: #313 De Kolta Chair

Labor Pains

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315 De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2014 11:13:54am

Labor Day Is The Best Day

316 prairiefire  Aug 31, 2014 11:16:11am

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m assuming there’s a typo there, but as a retired EMT I can clearly say that there is no way we ever were allowed into an unsafe/unsecured scene, because that would create an even greater problem for police and the public.

Do you remember when 6 firefighters were killed in Kansas City in an explosion in 1988? Nothing left of them but one glove. I was woken up by the sound and I was 20 miles away! A burning truck at a construction site held 50,000 of an ammonium nitrate/fuel mixture, of which they were not aware. After that much effort was made to mark dangerous loads, or any load, really, with a sign showing how dangerous and flammable the contents are.

317 De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2014 11:16:47am

A Woman’s Work Is Never Done Or Overpaid

318 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 31, 2014 11:17:10am

re: #310 Ryan King

Seriously, I hope Sam is picked up and can play. It would make football a little more interesting, though it’s still bloodsport.

Agreed. I’m a quiet but severe critic of the NFL. Quiet for my friends that love the game. Short version- I take the NFL exactly as seriously as they take my home town of Los Angeles.

319 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2014 11:21:25am

re: #316 prairiefire

pesky regulations….

*spit*

320 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2014 11:21:58am
321 De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2014 11:24:54am

A child working in an aluminum cooking pot factory in Dhaka, Bangladesh.

322 BeenHereAwhile  Aug 31, 2014 11:25:28am

re: #213 Dr Lizardo

There was a little film made back in 1973 directed by Ivan Dixon (of Hogan’s Heroes fame) that, if made today, would no doubt have the wingnuts shrieking in hysteria. It’s not a bad film, though it’s often incorrectly considered part of the “blaxploitation” genre that was popular in that era.

I can well imagine Dim Jim dedicating breathless, round-the-clock coverage to it, as well as Drudge, Rush Limbaugh, etc. Word is distributors were pressured to pull it from circulation by the FBI themselves, it was considered so incendiary.

The only reason it’s even known of today is thanks to Tim Reid of WKRP In Cincinnati; his video company essentially saved the film from obscurity.

imdb.com

And if you’d like to see it in all it’s revolutionary passion, it’s on YouTube.

Tim Reid’s “Frank’s Place” was good TV.

323 De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2014 11:32:40am

re: #322 BeenHereAwhile

Tim Reid’s “Frank’s Place” was good TV.

Mr. Dixon was an underrated director. He also made the 1972 blaxsploitation classic, “Trouble Man,” which has a terrific score by Marvin Gaye.

Whenever we see Tim Reid in something, the wife and I bemoan the fact that the network didn’t give “Frank’s Place” more time to develop an audience. That show was obviously made with love. Too creative, I suppose.

324 allegro  Aug 31, 2014 11:41:41am

re: #318 Rightwingconspirator

Agreed. I’m a quiet but severe critic of the NFL. Quiet for my friends that love the game. Short version- I take the NFL exactly as seriously as they take my home town of Los Angeles.

I have seriously mixed feelings as well. I love the game and am a faithful fan (again - I gave it up back when Bud Adams/Oilers owner ripped our hearts out) and I am also the widow of a former pro player who was beat to hell, hurt every day of his life, and had more orthopedic surgeries than I could count over the years as a result. He died from it at age 61 as well due to an addiction/need for increasingly powerful pain meds.

In more than 20 years of living with him and his physical pain, he never once expressed any regrets. Totally contrary. His football ability and high school success gave him a full ride scholarship to Georgia Tech and a very valuable degree in Chemical Engineering for which he was always grateful. His only sorrow about his pro career was that his knee got blown out ending it too soon. I’ve known quite a few pro and former-pro players over the years and this is the same story I heard over and over again: love of the sport and gratitude for opportunities and careers that they never would have had otherwise.

325 prairiefire  Aug 31, 2014 11:49:56am

re: #322 BeenHereAwhile

“Frank’s Place” was excellent! It has not been re-released because of wrangling with the estate of Louis Armstrong over money for the opening song, “Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans?”

326 De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2014 12:03:01pm

Not to name drop (though I will anyway since it is my wont, and living in NYC it’s pretty much inevitable), but I just remembered that I met Ivan Dixon at the opening of Gordon Parks’ first gallery show of watercolor paintings back in the late 1980’s in Soho. I recall they were both very warm gentlemen and just plain nice folks.

Mr. Parks, of course, was a famed photographer and director, and he’d taken up watercolor painting only a couple of years before that exhibition. Being a gauche painter myself, I was very impressed by his work.

327 BeenHereAwhile  Aug 31, 2014 12:47:03pm

re: #323 De Kolta Chair

Mr. Dixon was an underrated director. He also made the 1972 blaxsploitation classic, “Trouble Man,” which has a terrific score by Marvin Gaye.

Whenever we see Tim Reid in something, the wife and I bemoan the fact that the network didn’t give “Frank’s Place” more time to develop an audience. That show was obviously made with love. Too creative, I suppose.

“Frank’s “place was another creation of Hugh WIlson, who was never afraid to “push the box” around.

In the late 1970’s, a Hugh Wilson movie script about a gay movie cowboy hero - kinda of a more out there Roy Rogers - was sent to our office looking for backing. At that time, Phil was working with Richard Pryor on a script based upon Herb Jeffries, so we passed.

328 prairiefire  Aug 31, 2014 12:47:45pm

re: #326 De Kolta Chair

Gordon Parks, what a remarkable photographer.

329 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 12:49:28pm

re: #308 Rightwingconspirator

Said this the other day,.. but really love to see a first person shooter game flipped into a realistic shoot no shoot simulator. But realistic, not at all like the racial bias shooting test that was linked here days ago. it might be a great test for racial bias response, but it’s a terrible simulation of a policeman or civilian with a gun facing a possible threat out in public.

I am confident such a thing would help anyone understand the perils fairly, and would help those of us who would use a gun in defense to perhaps prevail and at least not screw the pooch.

Some academies do use simulators, using light guns, etc. for use-of-force training, but I would wager that the cost of those types of systems prohibit large scale deployment.

330 prairiefire  Aug 31, 2014 12:49:38pm

re: #326 De Kolta Chair

I love NYC. I’m really sad my dream of “bumping into” Lou Reed in Soho will never happen.

331 Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2014 12:50:42pm

re: #329 Timothy Watson

Here’s some links:
nvdaily.com
policemag.com

332 BeenHereAwhile  Aug 31, 2014 12:54:31pm

re: #330 prairiefire

I love NYC. I’m really sad my dream of “bumping into” Lou Reed in Soho will never happen.

With all due respect to the very talented Lou Reed, who also remained his own man in spite of industry pressure; but back in the day, you probably would have had to change your sleep - wake cycle.

333 De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2014 1:08:55pm

re: #327 BeenHereAwhile

“Frank’s “place was another creation of Hugh WIlson, who was never afraid to “push the box” around.

In the late 1970’s, a Hugh Wilson movie script about a gay movie cowboy hero - kinda of a more out there Roy Rogers - was sent to our office looking for backing. At that time, Phil was working with Richard Pryor on a script based upon Herb Jeffries, so we passed.

That’s very interesting. Thanks.

334 prairiefire  Aug 31, 2014 1:09:54pm

re: #332 BeenHereAwhile

I would have to be determined.

335 Chez Ko Pe  Aug 31, 2014 4:36:22pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s sickening.
…I’m totally stealing it, to throw at every single asshole I run into who squawks that we “don’t need no unions no more.”

They won’t care—either because like the “you were better off as slaves” gang their view of history is pure fantasy, or simply because they don’t believe it’ll ever happen to them and no one else matters (ha ha, privilege!)—but maybe it’ll fire up the lurkers.

336 Chez Ko Pe  Aug 31, 2014 4:38:58pm

re: #213 Dr Lizardo

And if you’d like to see it in all it’s revolutionary passion, it’s on YouTube.

I’ll do just that, thanks!


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