As you watch the President speak tonight, just remember, no matter what happens, there's a real human cost. This is not a reality TV show.

— Paul (PJ) Rieckhoff (@PaulRieckhoff) September 11, 2014

No matter what Obama says, the parrots will attack.

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A good message. Too bad the usual suspects won’t listen.

re: #1 Charles Johnson

The hardest part is not that acting will cost lives. It is the understanding that not acting will also cost lives.

Re-posted from downstairs:

“[It is] easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two mujahidin to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaeda, in order to make the generals race there and cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses. … This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat,” - Osama bin Laden, 2004.

Remember, this could have been President Palin.

I don't agree with Ron Fournier very often, but yep. RT @ron_fournier: Resolved: Ban word “homeland.” #Creepy

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 11, 2014

Conservative idiots in my Facebook feed are absolutely terrified right now of ISIS. Some of them are convinced they will be dispatched in a violent fashion any time now by terrorists. Boggles the mind.

Criticism of the President's remarks would carry a lot more weight if they waited until after he spoke to do it #tcot #uniteblue

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 11, 2014

Let’s sit back and watch the Saudis do this.

I’m waiting in morbid suspense for the inevitable word-salad response from the ever irrelevant Sarah ‘Halfinator’ Palin. I’m sure that it will be just as coherent as the GOP response.

RBS

Alright! The 101st Fighting Keyboards engines are roaring now!

*sigh*

re: #6 Decatur Deb

Remember, this could have been President Palin.

Shit President McCain would have been just as bad. Thanks again America. We did the right thing.

re: #7 Charles Johnson

[Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs

I don’t agree with Ron Fournier very often, but yep. RT @ron_fournier: Resolved: Ban word “homeland.” #Creepy]

Tweety Matthews has also been banging on that word.

He started on time.

SAFER???!!!11TY!!!!

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Shit President McCain would have been just as bad. Thanks again America. We did the right thing.

And we will have to keep doing it every election until we are dead. The bastards will never stop.

“ISIL is not Islamic”

oh…wingnuts are going crazy right off thebat…

re: #15 Charles Johnson

He started on time.

His suit is dark.

Uh oh, he’s making excuses for Islam as a religion!!!

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re: #15 Charles Johnson

He started on time.

Wow, this is serious.

re: #19 wrenchwench

His suit is dark.

It is and the tie is nice.

Good on him explaining what ISIL is.

re: #6 Decatur Deb

Remember, this could have been President Palin.

I’m not afraid of ISIL. But that scared the shit out of me.

“ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents. … ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple.”

His flag pin is pointing down!!11!!!

He said ISIL… that’s proof that he’s against Israel (yes, some wingnuts have said that)

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

His flag pin is pointing down!!11!!!

And it only has 49 stars on it

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

“ISIL is not Islamic”

oh…wingnuts are going crazy right off thebat…

I think I just heard Geller’s head explode.

It's Islamic-ish

— Jonah Goldberg (@JonahNRO) September 11, 2014

DERP

“ISIL is a terrorist organization… with no vision.” Oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck he still doesn't get it. #dblive

— Stephen Green (@VodkaPundit) September 11, 2014

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

His flag pin is pointing down!!11!!!

Can you even imagine if it was accidentally upside down? Holy shit, the heads would be one big splodey mess.

re: #28 b.d.

And it only has 49 stars on it

There goes Texas!!!

Right wingers now freaking out because Obama isn't condemning Islam as a whole. https://t.co/Pgp3HfQqkh

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 11, 2014

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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Just like you’re Dickish, Jonah. Did you object when President Bush said Al Queda’s actions on 9/11 weren’t representative of Muslims or do you save this whiny bullshit only for President Obama, Mr. I have a massive guilt complex about the right’s support for fascism in the 30’s so I accuse liberals of being fascists.

re: #25 Charles Johnson

“ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents. …snip”

‘A’ for sentiment, ‘C’ for accuracy.

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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Which to his credit is something Bush never did either.

“hitting ISIL targets”
YES…going after those Toyotas!!!11!!
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WaPo keeps harping on this nonsense, and other media outlets are following suit - how and why Obama calls it ISIL while everyone else either calls it the Islamic State or ISIS.

@washingtonpost @j_fuller are you kidding me? WaPo still ignoring that State Dept identifies ISIL as FTO since 2004. http://t.co/4eE6miR1Ut

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) September 10, 2014

ISIL is the official designation for the terror group that is on the FTO since 2004. It’s the al Qaeda spinoff in Iraq and Syria. It’s what the government officially calls it.

ISIL - Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant. That’s the full name and it’s far more descriptive of what the group’s aspirations and geographical area of operation than claiming it is Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

WaPo keeps posting links to this story, with no mention at all of the State Department FTO at all.

re: #17 Decatur Deb

And we will have to keep doing it every election until we are dead. The bastards will never stop.

Word.

Obama: “Core principle: if you threaten America you will find no safe haven.”

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 11, 2014

“Can’t rely on the Assad regime”

DERP

475 loafers (?) on the ground in Iraq.

— S.E. Cupp (@secupp) September 11, 2014

re: #36 Decatur Deb

I wonder if Robertson, Fischer, or any of the others are thinking “but we do”?

I don’t like the feel of the world today.

The fear mongers are winning.

He mentioned Shiites and Sunnis before he mentioned Christians…
heads esplode…

HERP DE DERP

I'm so old, I remember when we sent entire combat brigades at a time to deal with SOBs like ISIL. #dblive

— Stephen Green (@VodkaPundit) September 11, 2014

@JonahNRO Remember when President Bush refused to condemn Islam as a whole for the actions of Al Qaeda?

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 11, 2014

re: #45 freetoken

I don’t like the feel of the world today.

The fear mongers are winning.

They’re louder. I don’t know if that means they’re winning.

“christians and other religious minorities”

re: #47 teleskiguy

HERP DE DERP

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Well at least he’s not funding them like Reagan did with the Contras or comparing them to our own Founding Fathers.

re: #44 Belafon

They’re probably writing screeds indicating their intention to see the US nuke ISIS from orbit - the only way to be sure.

Never mind that the terrorists are killing more Muslims than anyone else, and they’ve committed genocide along the way (going after Yezidis as well as other minority groups in the region).

re: #47 teleskiguy

HERP DE DERP

I’m so old, I remember when we sent entire combat brigades at a time to deal with SOBs like ISIL.

And how many body bags came back asshole

Why does this speech and plan of action sound like it’s been driven by the war mongers in this country?

Also, someone tell me why we should even be doing this? ISIL is no more than a regional threat of which this country is not in that region. It should be dealt with by countries in that region. Or are we taking a stance of “you broke it, you fix it”?

I do have thumbs, by the way.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 11, 2014

Conservatives going nuts because Obama used too many words while stating he would destroy ISIS #tcot #UniteBlue

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 11, 2014

re: #53 Iwouldprefernotto

And how many body bags came back asshole

Doesn’t matter. It makes him feel better.

Show the world that Americans are united? Wish we could show Americans that…or as Americans, do it.

re: #48 Charles Johnson

In other words, the terrorists won, huh Jonah?

re: #48 Charles Johnson

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Thumbless grasp?

re: #48 Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs @JonahNRO GWB speech to joint session of Congress 9/20/2001 - http://t.co/3t3vZoIeaD

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) September 11, 2014

I can’t take it. Going offline. Thanks for trying to keep me sane.

re: #60 Kid A

Thumbless grasp?

Graspless tweet.

And again we will join with allies local and global to put something right. A thing that honestly needs doing. All comparisons with GWB and Iraq stop right here.

re: #54 rhuarc

Why does this speech and plan of action sound like it’s been driven by the war mongers in this country?

Also, someone tell me why we should even be doing this? ISIL is no more than a regional threat of which this country is not in that region. It should be dealt with by countries in that region. Or are we taking a stance of “you broke it, you fix it”?

Is it? Journalists going beheaded?

What about HUMANITY?

What a lot of Americans refuse to get is that the biggest victims of terrorist groups like ISIS, Al Queda, the Taliban, etc are fellow Muslims. I had an Afghan classmate. Shi’a and I believe a Hazara rather than a Pashtun(the majority of Afghanistan and Sunni), his family was oppressed by the Taliban back when right wing assholes like Dana Robrabacher were telling us to support them. Saddam’s biggest victims? Shi’a and the Kurds. Could go on and on. Oh and not to mention the many Muslim Americans that did die on 9-11 too.

re: #48 Charles Johnson

*crickets*

re: #54 rhuarc

Why does this speech and plan of action sound like it’s been driven by the war mongers in this country?

Because it is.

re: #47 teleskiguy

HERP DE DERP

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I’m so old I remember when chicken hawks were dodging the draft.

Obama says he won't send US troops into another meat grinder. Conservatives outraged. #UniteBlue

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 11, 2014

re: #70 Kragar

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Dick Cheney just cried.

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Dick Cheney just cried.

That was just his over-rev alarm.

Please note the absence of any metrics for success. It’s just words.

— Dan Froomkin (@froomkin) September 11, 2014

He does have a point - what exactly is a metric to use in determining success in this military campaign.

Body count?
Stopping genocide?
Securing the Iraqi border against further incursion?
Getting the Iraqis to stand up against ISIL?

I’d say he pretty much takes all of those as a combination of factors to determine whether we’re successful.

re: #47 teleskiguy

@VodkaPundit I'm so old I remember when people like you had to go rant in the park to get your words of 'wisdom' out to the public.

— Anton Sirius (@AntonSirius) September 11, 2014

re: #73 lawhawk

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He does have a point - what exactly is a metric to use in determining success in this military campaign.

Body count?
Stopping genocide?
Securing the Iraqi border against further incursion?
Getting the Iraqis to stand up against ISIL?

I’d say he pretty much takes all of those as a combination of factors to determine whether we’re successful.

That is a good point.

re: #54 rhuarc

Why does this speech and plan of action sound like it’s been driven by the war mongers in this country?

Also, someone tell me why we should even be doing this? ISIL is no more than a regional threat of which this country is not in that region. It should be dealt with by countries in that region. Or are we taking a stance of “you broke it, you fix it”?

Two reasons:
1. ISIL is bent on ethnic cleansing in the region
2. We are responsible for the power vacuum that allowed them to flourish

re: #73 lawhawk

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He does have a point - what exactly is a metric to use in determining success in this military campaign.

Body count?
Stopping genocide?
Securing the Iraqi border against further incursion?
Getting the Iraqis to stand up against ISIL?

I’d say he pretty much takes all of those as a combination of factors to determine whether we’re successful.

I think it involves the lamentations of the women.

Incisive and astute commentary!

This is like the last couple seasons of Friends where you watch out of habit, but mostly you wonder about Chandler's fake tan. #dblive

— Stephen Green (@VodkaPundit) September 11, 2014

Here’s what I don’t get: How is it that wingnuts accuse POTUS of secretly being a Muslim and/or being sympathetic to radical Islamists to the point of (supposedly) assisting them in infiltrating our government, yet at the same time claim he’s weak when dealing with terrorists and doesn’t understand them?

I am not hearing warmongering. I’m hearing helping others who are suffering at the hands if these people.

Why is this assistance, one including many allied nations, a wrong strategy?

re: #73 lawhawk

There is no metric because there is nothing to measure.

Give me an era when there wasn’t some group trying to otherthrow another, or take territory, and so on.

This idea that conflict in the world can be solved is a goose chase.

Rather, we need to count the costs for actions and determine if the costs are worth the returns. Which is what the President is doing, though I think he is being driven by the DC circuit of warmongers and their media outlet allies who always are looking to generate the next headline.

There was no talk about how we measure our success there. When do we “win”? How do we know when we “win”?

It’s just going to be “mindless” acts against a nebulous threat. The ONLY thing I think we should be doing is going after the leadership of the group and their finances. We have the power to do that and it minimizes our risk, exposure, and blowback. Let the regional players in the area deal with the larger threat of the ISIL army.

re: #73 lawhawk

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He does have a point - what exactly is a metric to use in determining success in this military campaign.

Body count?
Stopping genocide?
Securing the Iraqi border against further incursion?
Getting the Iraqis to stand up against ISIL?

I’d say he pretty much takes all of those as a combination of factors to determine whether we’re successful.

Hell, what were the “metrics for success” in Iraq? Afghanistan? Vietnam? Korea? We haven’t had a war with pretty clear goals since WWII.

re: #55 Charles Johnson

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If you really had thumbs, you wouldn’t hate U2.

re: #78 teleskiguy

Incisive and astute commentary!

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Yeah because Mitt Romney would be offering something constructive rather than just recycled bullshit pushed to him by John Bolton and Richard Grenell.

re: #80 WhatEVs

Because we might lead from behind, and we all know what happens from behind. It leads to marrying your cousin and incest and birth control pills.

re: #78 teleskiguy

#dblive = Douchebag live?

re: #80 WhatEVs

I am not hearing warmongering. I’m hearing helping others who are suffering at the hands if these people.

Why is this assistance, one including many allied nations, a wrong strategy?

Because you never know it was the right strategy until it’s long over.

i spose wingnuts wouldn’t be satisfied unless all muslims from morocco to pakistan are decisively nuked

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Because you never know it was the right strategy until it’s long over.

Is doing nothing better? Assistance sounds right to me.

Gotta hand it to @JonahNRO - when he calls, the knuckle-draggers respond. Block, mute, block, mute.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 11, 2014

More than a dozen wingnuts spewing insults and bigotry so far,

re: #87 Kid A

#dblive = Douchebag live?

That’s what it should be. No, Stephen Green is the Vodkapundit, it stands for “drunk blog live.”

Oh, and President Bush engaged in an open ended conflict against al Qaeda too - including the indication that they’ll have to go after them for a long time after.

The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself.

The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them.

(APPLAUSE)

Our war on terror begins with Al Qaeda, but it does not end there.

It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated.

President George W. Bush’s Speech to the Joint Session of Congress, September 20, 2001.

re: #89 dog philosopher

i spose wingnuts wouldn’t be satisfied unless all muslims from morocco to pakistan are decisively nuked

That mindset is very real unfortunately.

Only on Fixed: “IN MAJOR REVERSAL, PRESIDENT OBAMA ORDERS MILITARY CAMPAIGN VS. ISIS”

re: #89 dog philosopher

i spose wingnuts wouldn’t be satisfied unless all muslims from morocco to pakistan are decisively nuked

Quite honestly, yes. And any Muslims in the US have to be deported. (Never did get a clarification about ones born here).

The hatred that lives in some people scares me, and I’ve married and divorced two redheads, so I don’t scare easy.

RBS

Walk this way

— Crow, Streetcrow (@streetcrow) September 10, 2014

Walk that way

— Crow, Streetcrow (@streetcrow) September 10, 2014

Do the hokey pokey

— Crow, Streetcrow (@streetcrow) September 10, 2014

Later, lizards.

re: #90 WhatEVs

Is doing nothing better? Assistance sounds right to me.

Who knows? We created Khomeini’s Iran, and its armed forces, in the 50s-60s.

When I see things like “metrics of success” from the crowd who responded to requests for an exit strategy from Iraq with “WHEN WE WIN!,” then I can’t help but shake my head. This was a crowd that was happy with tossing 5,000 Americans into the meat grinder without a clear goal in mind, but now want to know when we know we’ve won against ISIL.

re: #96 RealityBasedSteve

Quite honestly, yes. And any Muslims in the US have to be deported.

RBS

And no longer exist anywhere.

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Who knows? We created Khomeini’s Iran, and its armed forces, in the 50s-60s.

True that.

re: #82 rhuarc

It doesn’t sound to me that ISIS is nebulous. I think it’s a very specific group that represents a threat in the region. Any ownership we have in it is because of the previous fucktard that was president. That’s why I think they do have to try to get a group of countries together.

It’s a lot like some of the groups in Africa, except we didn’t do anything that directly contributed to their creation.

re: #95 Kid A

Only on Fixed: “IN MAJOR REVERSAL, PRESIDENT OBAMA ORDERS MILITARY CAMPAIGN VS. ISIS”

Such crap.

Throughout the speech I was wondering “How is this remarkably different from what we’ve been doing the last few weeks?”

re: #99 Targetpractice

When I see things like “metrics of success” from the crowd who responded to requests for an exit strategy from Iraq with “WHEN WE WIN!,” then I can’t help but shake my head. This was a crowd that was happy with tossing 5,000 Americans into the meat grinder without a clear goal in mind, but now want to know when we stop we know we’ve won against ISIL.

I would prefer if the media would remind them of how wrong they were about Iraq everytime they speak but because our media is a joke and likes indulging assholes like Cheney, McCain, and Graham. At least Bush has the good sense to stay away from the cameras unless it’s for good publicity. I think deep down he knows he fucked up.

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Who knows? We created Khomeini’s Iran, and its armed forces, in the 50s-60s.

Offered the Shah amnesty during the revolution in 1979. They’re still pissed off.

O_o

Gingrich on CNN re Obama: “probably the most explicitly pro-American speech he's ever made”

— Toby Harnden (@tobyharnden) September 11, 2014

It’s not over until the carrier landing…oh…never mind.

re: #104 HappyWarrior

I would prefer if the media would remind them of how wrong they were about Iraq everytime they speak but because our media is a joke and likes indulging assholes like Cheney, McCain, and Graham. At least Bush has the good sense to stay away from the cameras unless it’s for good publicity. I think deep down he knows he fucked up.

The media doesn’t question them because the media was complicit. They happily served as the administration’s propaganda arm in the run-up to both wars and only started to question the reasons for the war when Bush’s poll numbers began to crash. It’s hard to expect the bag men to take responsibility for their actions.

re: #106 teleskiguy

O_o

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Damning with faint praise.

re: #103 Franklin

Such crap.

Throughout the speech I was wondering “How is this remarkably different from what we’ve been doing the last few weeks?”

Now it gets a sexy code name. “Operation Sandstorm” or such.

re: #106 teleskiguy

O_o

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Well, there goes Newt’s wingnut card.

re: #106 teleskiguy

O_o

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And he still has to do that pathetic dig. Really Newt? I’d like to know about President Obama’s “explicitly anti- American” speeches. I guess this is mild progress for Newt. But really screw CNN for treating him like he should have any credibility. He shouldn’t have gotten it in the 90’s and he shouldn’t have ti now.

Obama failed to promise skulls for the skull throne, meaning his whole ISIS strategy is an abject failure.
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re: #110 Decatur Deb

Now it gets a sexy code name. “Operation Sandstorm” or such.

Theme song!

Youtube Video

re: #108 Targetpractice

The media doesn’t question them because the media was complicit. They happily served as the administration’s propaganda arm in the run-up to both wars and only started to question the reasons for the war when Bush’s poll numbers began to crash. It’s hard to expect the bag men to take responsibility for their actions.

Yep true point.

freepers seem disinclined to engage the speech

Well, the media didn’t disappoint. Sigh…

re: #116 dog philosopher

freepers seem disinclined to engage the speech

Probably too busy defending Roger Goodell with the new deets about him seeing the tape of Ray Rice.

I won't be watching or listening to the pundits who loved them some Mission Accomplished try to nitpick this speech. GTFOHWTBS.

— Mr. NFTG (@Kennymack1971) September 11, 2014

Me neither. Clicked off the TV as soon as he said “and God bless the United States of America”.

re: #91 Charles Johnson

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More than a dozen wingnuts spewing insults and bigotry so far,

I love the way you irk them. When most lefties say stuff it’s okay because they’re libtards and don’t know any better, but you—YOU used to be one of them. You’re a traitor to The Cause™ and therefore deserve special revilement.

re: #119 Franklin

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Me neither. Clicked off the TV as soon as he said “and God bless the United States of America”.

Man if that ain’t the truth. Bush arriving pilot outfit, banners, and all on that aircraft liner was one of the most tacky and frankly unpresidential things I’ve ever seen.

Our broken, free market poisoned higher education system:

Student loan debt surges for senior citizens

Between 2005 and 2013, student loan debt among seniors 65 and older rose by more than 600% from $2.8 billion to $18 billion, according to a new report from the Government Accountability Office.

Out of all student debt holders, seniors still account for a small percentage. But their ranks are growing rapidly — quadrupling in size since 2004 to 706,000 households.

Quick reminder: @JonahNRO's employer has fired or “distanced themselves” from no fewer than three overt white supremacists since 2012.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 11, 2014

LGF search: +”national review” +”white nationalist” http://t.co/LoD9ryi3hk

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 11, 2014

re: #116 dog philosopher

freepers seem disinclined to engage the speech

Freepers are all over it, remembering stuff that I seem to have forgotten

To: Red Steel
Hume is mixed up. The surge happened in Afghanistan during Obama and not Iraq. When Obama took office in 2009, Iraq was a stable country.

359 posted on 9/10/2014 8:24:27 PM by Red Steel
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freerepublic.com

re: #123 Charles Johnson

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But embraced plagiarists.

re: #123 Charles Johnson

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re: #119 Franklin

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Me neither. Clicked off the TV as soon as he said “and God bless the United States of America”.

Watching Garbo on TCM in “Ninotcha.” There’s nothing more American than that.

Quick reminder: @Green_Footballs is out of his gourd and has been for years.

— Jonah Goldberg (@JonahNRO) September 11, 2014

re: #124 b.d.

Freepers are all over it, re:membering stuff that I seem to have forgotten

freerepublic.com

good freakin grief…

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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OUT OF YOUR GOURD!!!!

re: #124 b.d.

Freepers are all over it, re:membering stuff that I seem to have forgotten

freerepublic.com

Yes, Iraq was so stable in 2009. What the fuck were they watching? Honestly, I think Biden as a candidate had the right idea about dividing the country up. Iraq as we know it is an invented nation. A product of post WWI colonialism by the British and French empires who were too greedy and imperialist to let the people of that region decide their own course.

re: #128 Charles Johnson

BURN!!!!

re: #130 Kid A

OUT OF YOUR GOURD!!!!

Notice that Jonah doesn’t deny that they employed racist shitbags for years. I’d like to know about what Mr. Liberal Fascism thinks about the fact that many of his fellow conservatives were fascist sympathizers while the liberals he bitches about were the few voices opposing it.

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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Does Jonah Goldberg still think Dubya was a RHINO?

I will continue to degrade and destroy my liver. Think globally, act locally.

— Bearded Stoner (@beardedstoner) September 11, 2014

Glad we have a President who thinks and aims before he shoots. Otherwise we get more Iraq Wars - which created ISIS in the first place.

— Chris Van Hollen (@ChrisVanHollen) September 11, 2014

Yep. Jonah Goldberg is a smug cock bag.

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

Our broken, free market poisoned higher education system:

I’m so fucking glad I was able to get all my student loans paid off last year. I’d like to say hard work got me there, but mostly it was luck.

the goal posts have now shifted from “obama wont explain” to “obama hasn't given us a detailed, specific target list”

— Oliver Willis (@owillis) September 11, 2014

re: #136 Franklin

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I like Van Hollen.

re: #139 Jenner7

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or in short “Nothing Obama can do or say makes us happy.”

Awe man…

Changing subjects… Richard Kiel, aka Jaws from James Bond, died.

— Sam R. Hall (@samrhall) September 11, 2014

re: #138 goddamnedfrank

I’m so fucking glad I was able to get all my student loans paid off last year. I’d like to say hard work got me there, but mostly it was luck.

Congratulations, seriously. You did what most will never be able to do, and their financial futures are going to suffer and enrich the cockbags that prey on them.

re: #110 Decatur Deb

Now it gets a sexy code name. “Operation Sandstorm” or such.

Operation Magic Carpet Ride

Youtube Video

The Divine Garbo with the hiccoughs.

re: #142 Franklin

Awe man…

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He’s been dead since last year I’m pretty sure.

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

He’s been dead since last year I’m pretty sure.

Nope today.

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

He’s been dead since last year I’m pretty sure.

No, he died yestertoday, in Fresno.

re: #128 Charles Johnson

John Derbyshire. Robert Weissberg. Steven Sailer.

Yeah, a trifecta of twits.

This is part of the consequence of occupation. I have a hard time believing strategists didn’t know ISIL was waiting to grab power.

re: #143 Kid A

Congratulations, seriously. You did what most will never be able to do, and their financial futures are going to suffer and enrich the cockbags that prey on them.

The powers that be in the US have really set up a very efficient system.

Jobs are in chronic under supply, making everyone desperate to have one. One of the many benefits to capital of this state of affairs is the importance of education in improving one’s odds in the job market.

Thus education becomes insanely expensive, and capital is there, ready and waiting, to make indentured servants out of much of the work force. Making student loan debt persist through bankruptcy was a particularly galling recent law change to this effect.

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re: #147 HappyWarrior

Nope today.

OK, I guess the previous announcement was a hoax.

I missed Obama’s speech, unfortunately. I ran into such trouble getting home that I forgot about it.

#FAIL

re: #143 Kid A

Congratulations, seriously. You did what most will never be able to do, and their financial futures are going to suffer and enrich the cockbags that prey on them.

Almost all of my friends from undergrad and grad school still have huge crippling debts. I basically got out through shear dumb luck, two back to back unexpected windfalls.

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

OK, I guess the previous announcement was a hoax.

I missed Obama’s speech, unfortunately. I ran into such trouble getting home that I forgot about it.

#FAIL

All good. Sometimes you see people posting old news and not noticing the timeline.

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

U working?

re: #151 EPR-radar

Actually, student loans weren’t generally dischargable through bankruptcy before, either.

re: #151 EPR-radar

The powers that be in the US have really set up a very efficient system.

Jobs are in chronic under supply, making everyone desperate to have one. One of the many benefits to capital of this state of affairs is the importance of education in improving one’s odds in the job market.

Thus education becomes insanely expensive, and capital is there, ready and waiting, to make indentured servants out of much of the work force. Making student loan debt persist through bankruptcy was a particularly galling recent law change to this effect.

“President Warren, they’re ready for you in the press room.”

re: #150 Amory Blaine

This is part of the consequence of occupation. I have a hard time believing strategists didn’t know ISIL was waiting to grab power.

There wasn’t long term thinking. That was their first big mistake.

Oh goody, McCain on MSNBC on now..

re: #157 Decatur Deb

Only if Senator Warren is there to write the law. President Warren won’t be able to sign it otherwise.

re: #153 goddamnedfrank

Whatever it takes, homie.

Obama on ISIS: “Welcome to the crap sandwich … here, have a fucking pickle!”

Someone dared to question the great non-writing Scahill:

.@jeremyscahill SAO in conf call insisted ISR assets “can develop targets through other means”

— Jared Rizzi (@JaredRizzi) September 11, 2014

Right-wingers are angry Obama didn't say this==> https://t.co/v1jLB2VnPO #tcot #UniteBlue

— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) September 11, 2014

Oh fuck, McCain is being an asshole on Maddow. John, just shut the fuck up with your bulshit. You’re responsible for spreading Palin upon all of us, dick.

re: #158 HappyWarrior

There wasn’t long term thinking. That was their first big mistake.

“I can’t tell you if the use of force in Iraq today would last five days, or five weeks, or five months, but it certainly isn’t going to last any longer than that.”
—Donald Rumsfeld, November 14, 2002

re: #159 Jenner7

Oh goody, McCain on MSNBC in a bit..

I’ll pass I heard Obama. I don’t need the bleating.

re: #124 b.d.

Freepers are all over it, remembering stuff that I seem to have forgotten

freerepublic.com

im depressed to see the firebaggers and the wingnuts both exerting themselves mightily to dump on obama

re: #155 Stanley Sea

U working?

I’m done with work for today. I did visit Jane’s, and I read the free parts of a very good and very sobering report on the situation in Iraq and how ISIS operates. If you want to know how ISIS took Mosul, read this.

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

Actually, student loans weren’t generally dischargable through bankruptcy before, either.

Some history on this topic.

The exception for “student loans” when it comes to bankruptcy has gotten bigger and bigger over the years.

re: #159 Jenner7

Oh goody, McCain on MSNBC on now..

I switched it to MSNBC from CNN because McCain was on CNN screaming at Jay Carney.

re: #159 Jenner7

Oh goody, McCain on MSNBC on now..

Pass the bourbon, this will be fun. Let me guess, McCain will be blahing about how ISIS doesn’t respect or fear Obama and we need to start bombing immediately.

re: #166 Decatur Deb

“I can’t tell you if the use of force in Iraq today would last five days, or five weeks, or five months, but it certainly isn’t going to last any longer than that.”
—Donald Rumsfeld, November 14, 2002

Yep pure ego and these fucks have the nerve to go on television and act like Obama doesn’t know what he and his guys are doing.

re: #165 Kid A

Oh fuck, McCain is being an asshole on Maddow.

This surprises you?

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

Obama on ISIS: “Welcome to the crap sandwich … here, have a fucking pickle!”

LOL

re: #150 Amory Blaine

This is part of the consequence of occupation. I have a hard time believing strategists didn’t know ISIL was waiting to grab power.

SOFA. We had to be out by a date set by President Bush if we couldn’t get a SOFA agreed upon with the Iraqi government. That didn’t happen, so we brought our troops home. Even though we thought we left the Iraqi government and military with a quality fighting force, they fell apart at first contact with ISIL.

And these attacks occurred in the same places that we were fighting the worst of the insurgency into 2007. The rat lines to/from Syria.

It hasn’t changed but for how bold the ISIL forces have been.

I always laugh when people like Jonah Goldberg say I'm “off my gourd,” when they work for an org that hires bigots and white nationalists.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 11, 2014

McCain is a lying piece of shit. Please, MSNBC, CALL HIM ON IT.

annnnnd, they don’t. Jebus.

re: #178 Jenner7

McCain is a lying piece of shit. Please, MSNBC, CALL HIM ON IT.

Really if MSNBC was the liberal Fox like so many MBFers like to claim, they’d call McCain on his shit. Well that’s if they were a decent news org too.

re: #158 HappyWarrior

There wasn’t long term thinking. That was their first big mistake.

How about short term? As in, after we turned Iraq upside down in about twenty minutes, we had no idea what the hell to do afterwards.

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

Actually, student loans weren’t generally dischargable through bankruptcy before, either.

It looks like student loan debt was just like any other debt as of 1976. Since then, a long series of law changes have take place, most of which seem to favor the creditors.

finaid.org

Congress is doing its job, looking out for the interests of its masters.

seems it’s universal dyspepsia night

must be the alignment of the planets

or maybe the alignment of the refrigerator magnets

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

I’m done with work for today. I did visit Jane’s, and I read the free parts of a very good and very sobering report on the situation in Iraq and how ISIS operates. If you want to know how ISIS took Mosul, read this.

You might want to read this article and download the translated PDF as well.

Dear future generations, if you ever feel the need to get involved in the Middle East, don’t.

re: #180 Kid A

How about short term? As in, after we turned Iraq upside down in about twenty minutes, we had no idea what the hell to do afterwards.

Yep that too. I’ll “blame” Bush for that as long as I live thank you very much.

re: #177 Charles Johnson

And irrelevant. Don’t forget irrelevant.

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

Actually, student loans weren’t generally dischargable through bankruptcy before, either.

I get the theory here, you can’t repossess an experience or degree. On the other hand you can’t repossess a meal, a vacation or a transplanted kidney either.

Student loan debt should definitely be dischargeable, especially for senior citizens and anybody on a fixed income that’s unlikely to ever change.

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Really if MSNBC was the liberal Fox like so many MBFers like to claim, they’d call McCain on his shit. Well that’s if they were a decent news org too.

I don’t watch any of this shit anymore. I read. TV is for the gullible. No matter which way you lean. MSNBC is marginally better, which ain’t saying much.

Give ‘em the truth, Bernie.

re: #168 dog philosopher

im depressed to see the firebaggers and the wingnuts both exerting themselves mightily to dump on obama

Both Senator Warren and Senator Paul have been the subject of much extremist outrage for supporting airstrikes on ISIS. Teabaggers and Firebaggers alike cry “How could my hero betray me like this!!1”.

The answer is that both groups of baggers saw in their respective Senate hero what they wanted to see. But neither Rand Paul nor Elizabeth Warren was ever as hostile to American use of military force as the baggers who idolized them. Neither loves going after ISIS, but neither senator sees any option but to do so, at least on a limited basis.

Thus once again loony baggers find themselves cursing ‘betrayal’ and vowing not to be fooled again. But they will fooled again , because it they who are fooling themselves.

re: #181 EPR-radar

It looks like student loan debt was just like any other debt as of 1976. Since then, a long series of law changes have take place, most of which seem to favor the creditors.

finaid.org

Congress is doing its job, looking out for the interests of its masters.

I think the bankruptcy changes Bush 2 installed as one of his first acts in office really fucked over consumers.

re: #187 goddamnedfrank

I get the theory here, you can’t repossess an experience or degree. On the other hand you can’t repossess a meal, a vacation or a transplanted kidney either.

Student loan debt should definitely be dischargeable, especially for senior citizens and anybody on a fixed income that’s unlikely to ever change.

I do think there needs to be a reasonable limit on how soon after completion of the degree/schooling it is possible to discharge the debt through bankruptcy, but I agree that the current system is equally untenable.

re: #191 WhatEVs

I think the bankruptcy changes Bush 2 installed as one of his first acts in office really fucked over consumers.

Doubled minimum payments.

You can’t repossess a failed business. Why the fuck do we allow bankruptcy for that but not education loans. Both are attempts to improve one’s lot in life. I don’t see a fundamental difference.

re: #166 Decatur Deb

“I can’t tell you if the use of force in Iraq today would last five days, or five weeks, or five months, but it certainly isn’t going to last any longer than that.”
—Donald Rumsfeld, November 14, 2002

Once more, with feeling: We'll be dealing with the consequences of invading Iraq FOR. THE. REST. OF. YOUR. LIFE.

— Bearded Stoner (@beardedstoner) September 11, 2014

re: #187 goddamnedfrank

I get the theory here, you can’t repossess an experience or degree. On the other hand you can’t repossess a meal, a vacation or a transplanted kidney either.

Student loan debt should definitely be dischargeable, especially for senior citizens and anybody on a fixed income that’s unlikely to ever change.

This whole business of student loans is papering over the fact that we have an economy where an education often costs too much relative to the economic benefits that it yields. Without the loans, there would be a crisis that might force some action.

re: #182 dog philosopher

seems it’s universal dyspepsia night

must be the alignment of the planets

or maybe the alignment of the refrigerator magnets

Its probably the alignment of the entertainment companies that own all the media. It sucks. News as some of us knew it is dead.

re: #195 Franklin

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We’ll be greeted as liberators!!!

Why do all these white supremacists keep writing for National Review? http://t.co/4365J0K7EO

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 11, 2014

re: #194 goddamnedfrank

You can’t repossess a failed business. Why the fuck do we allow bankruptcy for that but not education loans. Both are attempts to improve one’s lot in life. I don’t see a fundamental difference.

Of course there is a fundamental difference. The powers that be engage in business activities that can fail. Student loans are for the little people. //

The sooner people realize the US is basically a plutocracy, the sooner this issue can be addressed (if possible).

re: #192 klys

I do think there needs to be a reasonable limit on how soon after completion of the degree/schooling it is possible to discharge the debt through bankruptcy, but I agree that the current system is equally untenable.

Yeah, it’s definitely fucked. Maybe if we stopped subsidizing gambling losses (capital gains loss / previous year carryover) we could afford to subsidize higher education to the degree needed.

re: #199 Charles Johnson

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Oh God, one of the funniest things I’ve ever read.

re: #157 Decatur Deb

“President Warren, they’re ready for you in the press room.”

For once, I find myself agreeing heartily with the populist position on student loans. Loans that are not dischargeable through bankruptcy put the borrower in a position all too much like indentured servitude.

One of the driving forces behind the American revolution was a resentment of the relentless fury with which creditors pursued ruined debtors. And of the laws that made that possible.

re: #202 Kid A

Oh God, one of the funniest things I’ve ever read.

Oldie but a goodie.

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, it’s definitely fucked. Maybe if we stopped subsidizing gambling losses (capital gains loss / previous year carryover) we could afford to subsidize higher education to the degree needed.

I would be completely for taxing all income the same. Period.

Doing our taxes makes me swear a lot and it’s not because of the amount of money involved, it’s because figuring out all the fucking rules is such a headache I just can’t even.

New video of right after Michael Brown’s murder. Witness accounts are consistent.

Video

McCain just said on Insanity that ISIS is on twitter and Facebook threatening to come to America. I swear to sky dad I am not kidding.

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Oldie but a goodie.

Right up there with the eternal Onion classic “Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over”

theonion.com

Later all. Let us know what the real important journalists of the day have to say about Obama’s speech. Nothing worth considering until we hear from Charles C. Johnson and Glenn Greenwald.

re: #207 Kid A

McCain just said on Insanity that ISIS is on twitter and Facebook threatening to come to America. I swear to sky dad I am not kidding.

CLOSE TEH MEXIE BORDERZ NOW!!11!!

re: #207 Kid A

McCain just said on Insanity that ISIS is on twitter and Facebook threatening to come to America. I swear to sky dad I am not kidding.

that’s it. we’re doomed. Give up all hope. Impeach Obama and put Senator Cranky Pants in.

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

CLOSE TEH MEXIE BORDERZ NOW!!11!!

EBOLA!!!!!!!!!!!!

“This is a President who is doing this reluctantly” —Andrea Mitchell

Well, no shit! And thank God he is reluctant. It’s a tough fucking position. There is no real solution. It’s bad and will remain bad, no matter what Obama does. Obama has NOT been shy about going after people who are or were DIRECT threats to us. Bin Laden is a prime example. But, ISIS is different. And we have a Congress with so much contempt for Obama, they don’t want to debate and vote, even though they think ISIS is a threat to us. They even admit that no matter what he does, they will attack him for it. They want this country to burn.

And the American people will vote these same assholes in. Depressing.

re: #207 Kid A

McCain just said on Insanity that ISIS is on twitter and Facebook threatening to come to America. I swear to sky dad I am not kidding.

Well there you go, they must really mean it then because everyone knows the stuff people say on Twitter & FB is extremely accurate. //

re: #207 Kid A

McCain just said on Insanity that ISIS is on twitter and Facebook threatening to come to America. I swear to sky dad I am not kidding.

I’m sure its true that ISIS is trash talking on social media, so the only news here is McCain’s stupidity in taking it seriously

re: #214 CuriousLurker

CREDIBLE THREAT!!!!!

re: #207 Kid A

McCain just said on Insanity that ISIS is on twitter and Facebook threatening to come to America. I swear to sky dad I am not kidding.

They HAVE said that. ISIS may not be an immediate threat to US soil, but it badly wants to attack us in the future. We’re on the ‘Islamic State’s enemies list. don’t think we’re not.

Better to take out a nasty foe like that sooner rather than later.

re: #214 CuriousLurker

Well there you go, they must really mean it then because everyone knows the stuff people say on Twitter & FB is extremely accurate. //

Perhaps we can use ISIL re-tweets as a metric of wartime success.

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

So we believe everything on ISIS’s wiki page too?

re: #208 EPR-radar

Right up there with the eternal Onion classic “Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over”

theonion.com

My personal favorite:

Sumerians Look On In Confusion As God Creates World

Members of the earth’s earliest known civilization, the Sumerians, looked on in shock and confusion some 6,000 years ago as God, the Lord Almighty, created Heaven and Earth.

According to recently excavated clay tablets inscribed with cuneiform script, thousands of Sumerians—the first humans to establish systems of writing, agriculture, and government—were working on their sophisticated irrigation systems when the Father of All Creation reached down from the ether and blew the divine spirit of life into their thriving civilization.

“I do not understand,” reads an ancient line of pictographs depicting the sun, the moon, water, and a Sumerian who appears to be scratching his head. “A booming voice is saying, ‘Let there be light,’ but there is already light. It is saying, ‘Let the earth bring forth grass,’ but I am already standing on grass.”

re: #218 Decatur Deb

Perhaps we can use ISIL re-tweets as a metric of wartime success.

So we target their leadership, their operations people, and of course, the primary target will be the Social Media Coordinator Intern.

RBS

You know for all their American exceptionism, RWNJs sure are scared shitless often than not.

re: #219 Kid A

So we believe everything on ISIS’s wiki page too?

I didn’t say or imply that.

re: #205 klys

I would be completely for taxing all income the same. Period.

Doing our taxes makes me swear a lot and it’s not because of the amount of money involved, it’s because figuring out all the fucking rules is such a headache I just can’t even.

Across-the-board subsidies for tuition just drive up the price of tuition. Universities compete with each other for students. Amenities, top-drawer faculties, US News and World Report rankings, other rankings, football rankings…these things cost money. To whatever extent students are insensitive to price, to that extent their willingness to spend translates into Universities that raise tuition because they can, so that they can pay for what draws students, because they must and that stuff doesn’t come cheap.

Somewhere in any system where money changes hands, there has to be a price point at which the buyer says forget it, it’s too expensive. That’s the only thing that can rein in prices.

In a market where most students pay out of their own or their parents’ funds, prices would plummet, as would amenities. Class sizes would rise. Faculty would have more teaching duties, and pay would stagnate or even drift down. Students whose parents make too little to contribute their standard share, but who have the talent to complete their studies given the chance, can be subsidized to where they’ve got the same support from the State and their parents that other students get purely from their parents. But after that, everybody has to have some skin in the game. Otherwise, the price spiral we’re seeing and have been seeing will just go on.

re: #221 RealityBasedSteve

So we target their leadership, their operations people, and of course, the primary target will be the Social Media Coordinator Intern.

RBS

Mosul Mike.

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t say or imply that.

Why not? You’re believing their so-called twitter and Facebook posts that have no way of being verified, for fuck’s sake.

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

They HAVE said that. ISIS may not be an immediate threat to US soil, but it badly wants to attack us in the future. We’re on the ‘Islamic State’s enemies list. don’t think we’re not.

Better to take out a nasty foe like that sooner rather than later.

When a sensitive part of one’s person is caught in a mangle, the eternal question arises: Do I keep going forward into the mangle, or try to back out somehow?

Decisions, decisions.

The fact that McCain would even bring that up shows he is not a person to be taken seriously. Of course, he did spread Palin on us, so…

re: #221 RealityBasedSteve

So we target their leadership, their operations people, and of course, the primary target will be the Social Media Coordinator Intern.

RBS

Yeah, when the ISIL Social Media Coordinator screws up a hashtag, there is gonna be some REAL hell to pay…heads WILL roll…

I cannot believe I just typed that…

re: #228 Kid A

The fact that McCain would even bring that up shows he is not a person to be taken seriously. Of course, he did spread Palin on us, so…

I haven’t taken him seriously for a long time now.

Everybody out of the house there's a John McCain loose! pic.twitter.com/AX4GcIZYsg

— Gus (@Gus_802) September 11, 2014

LOLWHUT

We must defeat #ISIS, but in order to truly fix the problem, we must remember how we got here. Tune in to @FoxNews now. #RandResponds.

— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) September 11, 2014

re: #231 Gus

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Grandpa McCain’s ready for his close-up, Mr. Demille.

re: #226 Kid A

Why not? You’re believing their so-called twitter and Facebook posts that have no way of being verified, for fuck’s sake.

They’ve made their intent clear enough. And even if they weren’t going to attack the US, their clearly stated desire to reshape the Middle East in their image, plus their demonstrated offensive capacity added to their extreme brutality warrants US action regardless of any direct threat to our own soil.

re: #232 Pie-onist Overlord

LOLWHUT

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How we got here? Hmmm maybe you should ask the people of the party whose nomination you’re trying to get that question.

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

I’m talking specifically about what McCain said on Insanity’s show.

re: #230 HappyWarrior

I haven’t taken him seriously for a long time now.

Most GOPers are impossible to take seriously. Either they are true believing wingnuts (i.e., jokes) or must continually pander to or otherwise appease the wingnuts in the GOP.

For McCain there is also the unforgivable act of inflicting Palin on us all. She’s a symptom rather than a root cause, but giving her that kind of exposure is still akin to treating a case of gangrene by immersion into raw sewage.

I think I’ll pass on Rand’s revisionist history lesson and head off to sleep.
And, yes, I’ve checked that the doors are locked.

My cat is sad because he is about to get into bed but can't remember whether he's locked the front door or not. pic.twitter.com/mrqIf3CtCR

— WHY MY CAT IS SAD (@MYSADCAT) September 10, 2014

This is fascinating, but The Learning Channel is airing “The Man With The 132-pound Scrotum”, to be followed by “The Girl With Half a Face” and “The Man Who Lost His Face”.

Not joking xfinitytv.comcast.net

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

You mean like every other religious nut job group over there has said for the last fifty years? I remember hearing the same shit when I was nine, and I’m forty-three now. It’s all the same just amplified.

re: #208 EPR-radar

Right up there with the eternal Onion classic “Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over”

theonion.com

This is one of my favorite articles: Sumerians Look On In Confusion As God Creates World.

But my favorite headline is this one: New Starbucks Opens In Rest Room Of Existing Starbucks

ETA: Note to self: refresh page before posting.

re: #8 teleskiguy

Conservative idiots in my Facebook feed are absolutely terrified right now of ISIS. Some of them are convinced they will be dispatched in a violent fashion any time now by terrorists. Boggles the mind.

Conservatives on my list are convinced that ZOMG ISIS ON TEH MEXICAN BOARDER BRINGING EBOLA CHILDREN is a real thing. They’re shitting bricks over a RWNJ fantasy. It’s mind-blowing.

re: #239 Decatur Deb

This is fascinating, but The Leanring Channel is airing “The Man With The 132-pound Scrotum”, to be followed by “The Girl With Half a Face” and “The Man Who Lost His Face”.

Not joking xfinitytv.comcast.net

Well they did give Sarah Palin and Honey Boo Boo both shows.

Conservative logic

@seanhannity believes that ISIS wouldn't have formed if US troops remained in Iraq, yet AQ showed up while US troops were in country #derp

— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) September 11, 2014

re: #244 Dr. Matt

Conservative logic

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Hannity’s not a smart egg. Nuff said.

re: #130 Kid A

OUT OF YOUR GOURD!!!!

How much for the Gourd?
10 for that you must be mad!

A Bad Old Thing that’s shown up again:

Syria crisis: Chlorine gas used in attacks, says OPCW

Chlorine gas was used in attacks in northern Syria this year, says the international body seeking to implement global laws banning chemical weapons.

The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) said it had found “compelling confirmation” of the use of chlorine, in pure or mixed form.

The attacks took place earlier this year in villages where rebels have been fighting government forces.

The OPCW has been overseeing efforts to destroy Syria’s chemical weapons.

Over the past year, Syria’s declared stockpile of banned munitions was shipped out of the country and destroyed, under the terms of an international agreement.

However, Syria was not obliged to declare any stockpiles of chlorine, regarded as a weak toxic agent.

Chlorine gas was first used as a weapon of war by the German army at the battle of Second Ypres in 1915 (thanks, Kaiser Wilhelm!). And now it sees that Bashar Assad is commemorating the war that gave birth to the modern borders of Syria in his own horrible fashion.

re: #232 Pie-onist Overlord

LOLWHUT

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I’m betting Bush is never mentioned.

re: #248 WhatEVs

I’m betting Bush is never mentioned.

Of course not. All the problems in Iraq are Obummer’s fault.//

re: #240 Kid A

You mean like every other religious nut job group over there has said for the last fifty years? I remember hearing the same shit when I was nine, and I’m forty-three now. It’s all the same just amplified.

ISIS is more capable than most nutjob group. Please, read the report I’ve linked to. It will help you understand the situation and its from a non-partisan, non-crazy source.

re: #239 Decatur Deb

This is fascinating, but The Leanring Channel is airing “The Man With The 132-pound Scrotum”, to be followed by “The Girl With Half a Face” and “The Man Who Lost His Face”.

Not joking xfinitytv.comcast.net

Quality programming from “The Learning Channel” and the Ducky Boo Boo “Arts & Entertainment” collective.

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Of course not. All the problems in Iraq are Obummer’s fault.//

Or Bill Clinton. He Who Shall Not Be Named never existed.

re: #244 Dr. Matt

Conservative logic

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But we should set up there permanently, lower taxes and at the same time not borrow from China.

The most important take-away from this ISIL mess: invading Iraq in the first place was a GIGANTIC FUCKING MISTAKE.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 11, 2014

re: #150 Amory Blaine

This is part of the consequence of occupation. I have a hard time believing strategists didn’t know ISIL was waiting to grab power.

I have a hard time understanding how we can spend billions on surveillance and spying yet be unaware of hundreds of armed fighters heading in to take over portions of Iraq. We’ve had thousands of personnel in Iraq for at least a dozen years and the CIA knew nothing about the intentions of ISIS or the threat posed by it? We’re eavesdropping on the electronic communications of the entire world and yet the NSA was completely unaware that a powerful rebel group was moving out of Syria and toward Iraq? What the fuck are we paying for here?

OT but here’s the tool to check your gmail address(es) to see if they are on that list of stolen accounts. I had to change the password on one of mine, but others were safe.

isleaked.com