Yet Another Bogus Ebola-Obama Conspiracy Story From the Dumbest Man on the Internet

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Several right wing sites are already parroting the latest “Obama wants us all to die of Ebola” conspiracy theory, led by the irrepressible stupidity of Jim Hoft, aka Gateway Pundit, aka DMOTI, aka SMOTI: Report: Obama Administration Pressured News Outlets to Not Report Suspected Ebola Cases | the Gateway Pundit.

Ebola be Gone!

At the urging of the Obama Administration, the Associated Press and other news outlets have agreed not to report on suspected cases of Ebola in the United States until a positive viral RNA test is completed.

The administration and liberal activists were upset with coverage in the run-up to the midterm elections.

Who said political hack Ron Klain was not a good pick for Ebola czar?

In case you haven’t noticed… Media outlets are no longer reporting on suspected Ebola cases at the urging of the Obama administration.

Really, the media are suppressing stories about Ebola at the urging of the Obama administration? That sure doesn’t sound like the media I know.

But let’s investigate, shall we? Hoft links to a site named Downtrend, one of those cookie cutter right wing blogs about hating Obama and everything and everyone around him, where they breathlessly inform the masses: Obama Regime Puts Lipstick on a Pig: Election Day Scrubbed of Ebola - Downtrend.

There is a reason why Obama didn’t pick an Ebola Czar with any actual medical experience when he tabbed longtime Democrat party hack Ron Klain who is a lobbyist. The real danger was never that the foolish policies of Barry and the boys were exposing Americans to Ebola but rather the political implications of it all. So the sudden departure of Ebola stories from the state-corporate media doesn’t pass the smell test. Interestingly the website of Forbes has a story that reports:

The Associated Press and other press outlets have agreed not to report on suspected cases of Ebola in the United States until a positive viral RNA test is completed.

That damning line is buried deep in the article so anyone can be excused for not noticing it - they aren’t supposed to.

We notice already that the quote on which they’re hanging the conspiracy theory that Obama’s hiding the truth about Ebola doesn’t actually mention Obama or the Obama administration.

So here’s that Forbes article and guess what? That paragraph has apparently been removed now.

However, if you scroll down to the comments you’ll find that the author posted a comment, replying to a reader who challenged him to “prove this” by linking to a statement made by the Associated Press about their policy for Ebola coverage: Advisory on Ebola Coverage | the DEFINITIVE SOURCE.

In an advisory to editors at member and customer news organizations, The Associated Press outlined the careful steps it is taking in covering the Ebola story.

EDITORS:

We’re increasingly hearing reports of “suspected” cases of Ebola in the United States and Europe. The AP has exercised caution in reporting these cases and will continue to do so.

Most of these suspected cases turn out to be negative. Our bureaus monitor them, but we have not been moving stories or imagery simply because a doctor suspects Ebola and routine precautions are taken while the patient is tested. To report such a case, we look for a solid source saying Ebola is suspected and some sense the case has caused serious disruption or reaction. Are buildings being closed and substantial numbers of people being evacuated or isolated? Is a plane being diverted? Is the suspected case closely related to another, confirmed Ebola case?

When we do report a suspected case, we will seek to keep our stories brief and in perspective.

The AP

So to recap, the story being pushed out there by Jim Hoft, that the Obama administration is “pressuring news outlets” not to report suspected Ebola cases, is absolute drivel. Nobody from the Obama administration is pressuring any news outlets.

This started with a simple policy statement from the Associated Press about responsible reporting of suspected Ebola cases, mentioned in a single paragraph at Forbes, picked up by a far right website where they insinuated Obama was involved, finally winding up at Jim Hoft’s House of Dumb with a raving, utterly false headline: “Obama Administration Pressured News Outlets to Not Report Suspected Ebola Cases.”

No, they didn’t. But now it will be a right wing meme, forever and ever.

UPDATE at 11/6/14 10:17:54 am by Charles Johnson

The author of the piece at Forbes, David Kroll, has now added a correction:

**CORRECTION: This piece originally and inadvertently suggested that The Associated Press and other news organizations were in agreement “not to report on suspected cases of Ebola in the United States until a positive viral RNA test is completed.” I regret this misinterpretation. In fact, AP is in no agreement with other outlets regarding news coverage. AP’s own position is that it will still report some suspected cases of Ebola if they cause enough disruption, even if there’s no confirmation the person has Ebola.

To be fully clear, I am providing both the link to the October 17 AP advisory and the full text of the advisory, as follows:

EDITORS:

We’re increasingly hearing reports of “suspected” cases of Ebola in the United States and Europe. The AP has exercised caution in reporting these cases and will continue to do so.

Most of these suspected cases turn out to be negative. Our bureaus monitor them, but we have not been moving stories or imagery simply because a doctor suspects Ebola and routine precautions are taken while the patient is tested. To report such a case, we look for a solid source saying Ebola is suspected and some sense the case has caused serious disruption or reaction. Are buildings being closed and substantial numbers of people being evacuated or isolated? Is a plane being diverted? Is the suspected case closely related to another, confirmed Ebola case?

When we do report a suspected case, we will seek to keep our stories brief and in perspective.

The AP

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664 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:12:58am

This guy never tires of lying. He’ll be great for Squealer if they rver make a live Animal Farm movie.

2 EmmaAnne  Nov 6, 2014 10:13:24am

DMOTI missed the memo that the election is over and hence the need to scare voters. He will be all puzzled that no one is fascinated by his crazed theories anymore.

3 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 10:13:25am

He really used a Borowitz source for that hot mess?

4 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:14:39am

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

He really used a Borowitz source for that hot mess?

No one accused Jim Hoft of being smart.

5 Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2014 10:18:04am

The author of the piece at Forbes, David Kroll, has now added a correction:

**CORRECTION: This piece originally and inadvertently suggested that The Associated Press and other news organizations were in agreement “not to report on suspected cases of Ebola in the United States until a positive viral RNA test is completed.” I regret this misinterpretation. In fact, AP is in no agreement with other outlets regarding news coverage. AP’s own position is that it will still report some suspected cases of Ebola if they cause enough disruption, even if there’s no confirmation the person has Ebola.

To be fully clear, I am providing both the link to the October 17 AP advisory and the full text of the advisory, as follows:

EDITORS:

We’re increasingly hearing reports of “suspected” cases of Ebola in the United States and Europe. The AP has exercised caution in reporting these cases and will continue to do so.

Most of these suspected cases turn out to be negative. Our bureaus monitor them, but we have not been moving stories or imagery simply because a doctor suspects Ebola and routine precautions are taken while the patient is tested. To report such a case, we look for a solid source saying Ebola is suspected and some sense the case has caused serious disruption or reaction. Are buildings being closed and substantial numbers of people being evacuated or isolated? Is a plane being diverted? Is the suspected case closely related to another, confirmed Ebola case?

When we do report a suspected case, we will seek to keep our stories brief and in perspective.

The AP

6 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 10:20:12am
7 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 10:21:04am

couldn’t resist:

8 Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2014 10:21:52am

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

He really used a Borowitz source for that hot mess?

Borowitz? No - it came from a Forbes article originally.

9 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 10:22:31am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Borowitz? No - it came from a Forbes article originally.

He has the Borowitz Report tweet right there on his page. I looked.

10 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 6, 2014 10:22:32am

Dear Jim

Since when did any of the media take orders from the Oval Office?

11 nines09  Nov 6, 2014 10:23:19am

I thought Fox canceled that show called “Ebola; Shit Your Pants and Kill Your Neighbor.” Is it in syndication now?

12 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:24:20am

re: #6 Kragar

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32 with 13 pending. It would be higher if I were older though.

13 nines09  Nov 6, 2014 10:24:20am

re: #6 Kragar

Me too. Zip. And I am older. Not over 65 though.

14 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 10:24:56am

Somehow I missed this story too.

Alabama Voters Pass Sharia Law Ban

huffingtonpost.com

15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 10:26:26am

re: #11 nines09

I thought Fox canceled that show called “Ebola; Shit Your Pants and Kill Your Neighbor.” Is it in syndication now?

It went straight to DVD.

16 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:26:32am

re: #14 Skip Intro

Somehow I missed this story too.

Alabama Voters Pass Sharia Law Ban

huffingtonpost.com

I suggested banning dragon officeholders on the page on the matter because frankly breathing fire, wings, and scaled skin is unAmerican.

17 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 10:27:33am

re: #14 Skip Intro

Somehow I missed this story too.

Alabama Voters Pass Sharia Law Ban

huffingtonpost.com

They do not want foreign laws replacing their biblical values, which also, technically, are foreign laws.

18 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 10:27:48am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Borowitz? No - it came from a Forbes article originally.

Maybe it would have been clearer for me to say that he used Borowitz Report as another source to back up that hot mess.

19 Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2014 10:28:15am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

He has the Borowitz Report tweet right there on his page. I looked.

Oh yes, right. The source for Jim’s conspiracy theory is that Downtrend article, though.

20 withak  Nov 6, 2014 10:28:44am

re: #6 Kragar

I got 13, but there’s no “religion” selector, which would probably put me at 2 or less. Depends on the religion of the 2 Ds in that 13.

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 10:29:06am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Oh yes, right. The source for Jim’s conspiracy theory is that Downtrend article, though.

all true.
Still, I’m LMAO he included Borowitz as “proof!!11!!”

22 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 10:29:24am

Talking about insane states, I’m going to repost this from below.

Some crazy that happened Tuesday that you might have missed.

Arizona looks to Bundy Ranch: New amendment lets lawmakers defy federal law

Arizona’s “state sovereignty” bill, Proposition 122, was narrowly approved by voters on Tuesday, but law professors are warning the state that it’s blatantly unconstitutional and will encourage lawmakers to violate federal law, KPHO reports.

Proposition 122 authorizes state lawmakers to ignore any federal law that they deem to be unconstitutional.

Definitely not from the Borowitz Report.

rawstory.com

And this is just the beginning.

23 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 10:29:26am

re: #6 Kragar

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Sum total of two for me, one in California, the other in Indiana. But I guess as a millenial, guys like me will be waiting a good while before we actually see ourselves reflected in Congress.

24 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 10:29:48am

re: #20 withak

I got 13, but there’s no “religion” selector, which would probably put me at 2 or less. Depends on the religion of the 2 Ds in that 13.

/sob

Why does my one have to be Joni Ernst?

She is not like me at all.

25 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:29:52am

re: #17 Kragar

They do not want foreign laws replacing their biblical values, which also, technically, are foreign laws.

I’m convinced many of these people think Jesus spoke Larry the Cable Guy’s English and the Bible was written by “patriotic American conservatives.”

26 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 10:30:22am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

It went straight to DVD.

Are you sure? I heard TLC picked it up as the replacement for Honey Boo Boo.

27 withak  Nov 6, 2014 10:30:34am

re: #24 klystron

/sob

Why does my one have to be Joni Ernst?

She is not like me at all.

Ouch!

Hence my desire for a religion selector…

28 Khal Wimpo  Nov 6, 2014 10:31:12am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

I suggested banning dragon officeholders on the page on the matter because frankly breathing fire, wings, and scaled skin is unAmerican.

And for this, today you win the Internet. Congratulations, and please keep up the good work.

29 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 10:31:25am

re: #27 withak

Ouch!

Hence my desire for a religion selector…

I guess I win for shittiest match.

30 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:32:33am

re: #28 Khal Wimpo

And for this, today you win the Internet. Congratulations, and please keep up the good work.

Thank you. Tip your bartenders.

31 jamesfirecat  Nov 6, 2014 10:32:34am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

I suggested banning dragon officeholders on the page on the matter because frankly breathing fire, wings, and scaled skin is unAmerican.

Screw you, Dunkelzahn is exactly the kind of candidate we need to turn this country around!

32 nines09  Nov 6, 2014 10:32:48am

re: #14 Skip Intro

Somehow I missed this story too.

Alabama Voters Pass Sharia Law Ban

huffingtonpost.com

Someone should remind them that some people still fly the flag of a Confederacy that went to war with the USA and call it “Heritage”.. Nah.

33 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 10:33:00am

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

all true.
Still, I’m LMAO he included Borowitz as “proof!!11!!”

This is why I pay no attention to any wingnut’s proof.

34 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 10:34:22am

re: #25 HappyWarrior

I’m convinced many of these people think Jesus spoke Larry the Cable Guy’s English and the Bible was written by “patriotic American conservatives.”

Are we absolutely sure that Barry Gibbs wasn’t the 2nd Coming?

35 nines09  Nov 6, 2014 10:34:40am

re: #26 Skip Intro

Are you sure? I heard TLC picked it up as the replacement for Honey Boo Boo.

The new Honey Boo Boo show will be called “Mom? Your Boyfriend Is In My Room AGAIN!”

36 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:35:22am

re: #31 jamesfirecat

Screw you, Dunkelzahn is exactly the kind of candidate we need to turn this country around!

He’s a firebreathing scaly skin having Dragonunist who believes in burning our lord’s castle. Vote for the Knight, he’ll do you right in more ways than one.

37 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 10:35:59am

jeebus, old Carl ain’t giving up nothin’ on the dead thread.

38 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:36:29am

re: #34 Kragar

Are we absolutely sure that Barry Gibbs wasn’t the 2nd Coming?

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I would prefer Jeff Bridges as the Dude. Our dude who art in California, a White Russian on his mane.

39 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 10:36:49am
40 psddluva4evah  Nov 6, 2014 10:37:05am
@GrooveSDC: C-SPAN Caller Refers to Obama As ‘That N***er’ On Air t.co #LastHonestRepublican

original link from TPM, who caught the story.

C-SPAN Caller On Air: ‘Republicans Hate That N***er Obama’ (VIDEO) @TPM talkingpointsmemo.com

41 jamesfirecat  Nov 6, 2014 10:37:16am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

He’s a firebreathing scaly skin having Dragonunist who believes in burning our lord’s castle. Vote for the Knight, he’ll do you right in more ways than one.

Damien Knight believes that corporations are countries my friend!

42 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 10:37:22am

re: #31 jamesfirecat

Screw you, Dunkelzahn is exactly the kind of candidate we need to turn this country around!

For my money, you can’t go wrong with that Dovahkiin fellow.

43 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 10:37:38am

Reposting this here (because, as usual, I’m always talking to myself on a dead thread) as I think it is pertinent to every discussion about framing and messaging, which, sadly the idiots on the right seem to have somewhat mastered.

George Lakoff has put out a new edition of “Don’t Think of an Elephant.” I think it should be required reading for every Democrat, from elected officials on down. (I have an older version on my tablet, bookmarked at strategic points!)

The strategists also keep suggesting a move to right. This has left no room for the Democrats to have an overriding authentic moral identity that Americans can recognize.

Those strategists form an infrastructure that all Democrats have come to depend on; not just the candidates, but also the elected officials, Democrats in government, and citizens who either do, or might, find progressive policies morally and practically right. The strategic infrastructure includes PR firms, pollsters, consultants, researchers, trainers, communication specialists, speechwriters, and their funders.

It is an important and powerful infrastructure and we all depend on it. I believe it is vital to separate this infrastructure from the strategies it has been using. I believe the strategies can be greatly improved so as to give a true, deep, and moral picture of what progressive politics is about — one whose content and authenticity will resonate with, and inspire, a majority of Americans.

dailykos.com

44 Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2014 10:38:07am

Man, the comments for Hoft’s post. Whew. There are some seriously deranged people in there.

45 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 10:38:31am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I would prefer Jeff Bridges as the Dude. Our dude who art in California, a White Russian on his mane.

He got his head dunked in a toilet for our sins.

/

46 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 10:38:55am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Man, the comments for Hoft’s post. Whew. There are some seriously deranged people in there.

Speaking of seriously deranged…

47 Franklin  Nov 6, 2014 10:39:08am

re: #6 Kragar

Surprisingly I got only 32. But I am on the youngish side wrt Congress. On the map, for my locale, I get a Joe Kennedy III (D-MA).

48 nines09  Nov 6, 2014 10:39:09am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Man, the comments for Hoft’s post. Whew. There are some seriously deranged people in there.

Reading comments on his posts causes brain damage. No thanks.

49 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 10:39:40am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I would prefer Jeff Bridges as the Dude. Our dude who art in California, a White Russian on his mane.

But it was Donny who died for our sins!

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 10:40:03am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Man, the comments for Hoft’s post. Whew. There are some seriously deranged people in there.

yep.
I made it through a couple of dozen before I headed to kitchen for an adult beverage.
The level of paranoid ignorance is astounding…and my guess is that most of them voted on Tuesday.

51 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:41:14am

re: #47 Franklin

Surprisingly I got only 32. But I am on the youngish side wrt Congress. On the map, for my locale, I get a Joe Kennedy (D-MA).

My white hetero ba brotha!

52 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 10:42:53am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I would prefer Jeff Bridges as the Dude. Our dude who art in California, a White Russian on his mane.

AND he’s a Democrat.

At the 2012 Democratic Convention

53 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 10:43:17am

The firehose of unhinged racism still spewing geysers in the Twitter collection.

54 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 10:43:27am

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

No doubt some of them voted for this guy. Future of the GOP right here.

Maryland Voters Elected A Neo-Confederate Who Says Government’s Role Is To Enforce God’s Law

crooksandliars.com

55 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:43:41am

re: #40 psddluva4evah

original link from TPM, who caught the story.

C-SPAN Caller On Air: ‘Republicans Hate That N***er Obama’ (VIDEO) @TPM talkingpointsmemo.com

Just a liberal making the good conservatives look bad I am sure. And there’s a lot of people out there who think like that when they think they’re in safe company. I overheard a guy saying blacks weren’t smart enough to be president.

56 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:44:24am

re: #52 BeachDem

AND he’s a Democrat.

At the 2012 Democratic Convention

Yep!

57 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 10:44:27am

Wha…?

58 nines09  Nov 6, 2014 10:45:08am

re: #54 Skip Intro

No doubt some of them voted for this guy. Future of the GOP right here.

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Maryland Voters Elected A Neo-Confederate Who Says Government’s Role Is To Enforce God’s Law

crooksandliars.com

Give him a beard and a turban. He speaks as Taliban do.

59 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:45:59am

re: #57 Kragar

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Wha…?

Lol this guy makes Alex Jones look well adjusted.

60 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 10:47:53am
61 Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2014 10:48:12am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

32 with 13 pending. It would be higher if I were older though.

295 look like me. One or two might think like me.

62 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 10:48:42am

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Lol this guy makes Alex Jones look well adjusted.

He’s been a complete loon from his first day on radio in SF. One of the most despised people, on and off the air, in the Bay Area, because he’s every bit the total asshole he portrays on the radio.

63 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 10:49:41am

re: #58 nines09

Give him a beard and a turban. He speaks as Taliban do.

That’s exactly what the GOP is looking for, isn’t it, a Christian Taliban here in the US?

64 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 10:51:06am
65 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 10:51:36am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dude, what’s wrong with a group of hostile Lizards?

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66 nines09  Nov 6, 2014 10:52:21am

re: #63 Skip Intro

That’s exactly what the GOP is looking for, isn’t it, a Christian Taliban here in the US?

He has the “stance” down. Finger up, chin down. If he had a beard and a turban it would be a fucking Taliban or jihadi.

67 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 10:52:45am

re: #65 klystron

BTW, emailed you a caption.

68 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 10:53:44am

re: #61 Decatur Deb

295 look like me. One or two might think like me.

One who looks like me (and she lives 3000 miles away.)

69 Franklin  Nov 6, 2014 10:54:33am

re: #47 Franklin

Surprisingly I got only 32. But I am on the youngish side wrt Congress. On the map, for my locale, I get a Joe Kennedy III (D-MA).

Was just reading Joeseph P Kennedy III’s wikipedia entry and saw this re his wife:

The couple met in a Harvard Law School class taught by future senator Elizabeth Warren.

Liz Warren, the matchmaker.

70 nines09  Nov 6, 2014 10:55:20am

Theology, or how the road to hell has very nice paving stones. “I’m here to do Gods work.” Which God? “KILL THE INFIDEL!!!!”

71 JustMark  Nov 6, 2014 10:55:53am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

My white hetero ba brotha!

ha, I got zero!

72 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:56:56am

Who is the youngest member of Congress tho? No one under 30 I think.

74 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 10:57:10am
75 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 10:58:05am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Who is the youngest member of Congress tho? No one under 30 I think.

Minimum age to be elected to Congress is 25. Senate, 30. POTUS, 35.

76 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 10:58:23am

The leader of the GOP has just issued his orders.

Limbaugh To GOP: You Were Elected To Stop Obama, Not Govern

crooksandliars.com

77 nines09  Nov 6, 2014 10:58:23am

Barry Goldwaters body is spinning like a 60000000000 Mega Watt generator.

78 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 10:58:39am

There has never been a POTUS younger than 40. Teddy Roosevelt was the youngest POTUS, 42 I believe.

79 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 10:59:47am

Apparently a 30 year old woman just got elected in NY and is being touted as a rising star for Republicans.

80 Franklin  Nov 6, 2014 11:00:51am

re: #78 Vicious Piebola

There has never been a POTUS younger than 40. Teddy Roosevelt was the youngest POTUS, 42 I believe.

That is correct, then JFK at 43.

81 teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2014 11:02:19am

re: #78 Vicious Piebola

There has never been a POTUS younger than 40. Teddy Roosevelt was the youngest POTUS, 42 I believe.

And Teddy assumed office. The youngest elected President was Jack Kennedy. He was 43 in Nov. 1960.

82 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 11:04:41am

Speaking of age, it seems to me that the Dems are considerably older than the Repubs, especially in the Senate, but probably the House too.

This is not a good thing, IMO, but getting some of these old fossils to step out of the way to make room for new blood that isn’t Republican doesn’t seem to be in the cards.

83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 11:05:11am

Patrick Murphy (D-Florida) was 29 when he was elected to the House in 2013 (he’s still there).

84 danarchy  Nov 6, 2014 11:06:35am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Who is the youngest member of Congress tho? No one under 30 I think.

I think 30 is the legal requirement. A 30 year old republican woman was just elected this cylcle. She is the youngest i congress. Forget her name or where from

85 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 11:08:44am

re: #84 danarchy

I think 30 is the legal requirement. A 30 year old republican woman was just elected this cylcle. She is the youngest i congress. Forget her name or where from

25 for house, 30 for senate

86 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 11:08:54am
87 teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2014 11:08:54am

Just took the “Are you reflected in the new Congress?” quiz.

Zero.

Why would I be reflected? I’m a radical. For instance, not only do I think cannabis should be legal, I think it should be mandatory.

Apologies to the long-dead Bill Hicks.

88 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 11:09:05am

re: #57 Kragar

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Wha…?

HAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!! OMG, that’s the craziest thing I’ve seen all week, and this was ELECTION Week!

89 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 11:09:06am

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Patrick Murphy (D-Florida) was 29 when he was elected to the House in 2013 (he’s still there).

Beat Wacky West IIRC

90 Ace-o-aces  Nov 6, 2014 11:09:12am

re: #84 danarchy

I think 30 is the legal requirement. A 30 year old republican woman was just elected this cylcle. She is the youngest i congress. Forget her name or where from

25 for House, 30 for Senate, 35 for President.

91 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 11:09:42am

re: #76 Skip Intro

The leader of the GOP has just issued his orders.

Limbaugh To GOP: You Were Elected To Stop Obama, Not Govern

crooksandliars.com

And it begins. Thanks voters.

92 danarchy  Nov 6, 2014 11:10:29am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

25 for house, 30 for senate

Elise Stefanik

google.com

93 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 11:12:24am

Totally unrelated but squee, I just got the phone call that they are starting work on my harp (needed to finish hashing out some inlay options) and I am so excited. :D

94 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 11:12:47am

This just in: The organization created to fight “voter fraud” and which organized to defend against “voter fraud” on election day found no voter fraud.

dailykos.com

95 jaunte  Nov 6, 2014 11:13:03am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

I considered barricading my cave with sticks, rocks, and a loyal group of hostile lizards, but it would just barricade me from the world.

We don’t really get hostile until a troll shows up with the same stupid talking points we’ve heard a bazillion times before.

96 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 11:13:34am

I’ve got 7 people in Congress who are like me.

97 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 11:14:23am

re: #94 BeachDem

This just in: The organization created to fight “voter fraud” and which organized to defend against “voter fraud” on election day found no voter fraud.

dailykos.com

Shocker, wingnut-led effort to invalidate elections finds there was nothing wrong with the elections that gave them the results they wanted.

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 11:14:32am

re: #96 Sionainn

I’ve got 7 people in Congress who are like me.

I got seven as well.
You have to scroll over the blue squares on the map to see who they are.

99 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 11:15:42am

re: #93 klystron

Totally unrelated but squee, I just got the phone call that they are starting work on my harp (needed to finish hashing out some inlay options) and I am so excited. :D

Sure they’re not just stringing you along?
//

100 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 11:16:05am

It’s like how, early on Election Night, word started going around that voting machines in VA Beach had malfunctioned and were reading Rigell votes as for his opponent. His campaign office even started making noises about demanding an investigation and possibly another round of voting.

But as soon as the election was called for him, all you could hear was the sound of silence.

101 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 11:16:34am

re: #97 Targetpractice

Shocker, wingnut-led effort to invalidate elections finds there was nothing wrong with the elections that gave them the results they wanted.

Imagine my surprise.

102 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 11:16:50am

re: #96 Sionainn

I’ve got 7 people in Congress who are like me.

Considering 3 who are GOP, I’ll change that to 4.

103 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 11:19:26am

As a middle-aged, straight, white male college graduate, I got 184.

104 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 11:19:28am
105 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 11:21:01am

Monday: “VOTER FRAUD IS RAMPANT! WE NEED REFORM!! WE NEED VOTER ID! ILLEGALS ARE GONNA GIVE THESE ELECTIONS TO DEMOCRATS!!!”

Wednesday: *crickets*

106 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 11:21:43am
107 The War TARDIS  Nov 6, 2014 11:26:09am

I will likely write a page tonight. I’m taking this harder than I thought. I have frustrations.

108 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 11:26:46am

re: #105 Targetpractice

Don’t worry, it’s just being put away in the garage, like Christmas decorations. It will be back in full force in 2016.

109 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 11:27:08am

re: #105 Targetpractice

Monday: “VOTER FRAUD IS RAMPANT! WE NEED REFORM!! WE NEED VOTER ID! ILLEGALS ARE GONNA GIVE THESE ELECTIONS TO DEMOCRATS!!!”

Wednesday: *crickets*

Of course, in the event they had NOT scored big, they were prepared…

Guess we run the other one, then.

110 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 11:28:25am
111 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 11:28:37am

re: #108 Skip Intro

Don’t worry, it’s just being put away in the garage, like Christmas decorations. It will be back in full force in 2016.

I’m wondering how long before we get told that Voter ID laws kept the illegals away from the polls, thus ensuring the “integrity of the vote” or similar horseshit.

112 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 11:29:56am
113 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 11:30:25am

re: #112 Kragar

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Stumpy Joe Peeps died?
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114 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 11:31:27am

re: #111 Targetpractice

I’m wondering how long before we get told that Voter ID laws kept the illegals away from the polls, thus ensuring the “integrity of the vote” or similar horseshit.

I’m sure that’s being said on talk radio already.

115 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 11:32:33am

re: #112 Kragar

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116 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 11:32:38am

re: #113 Blind Frog Ebola White

Stumpy Joe Peeps died?
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117 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 11:32:55am

re: #114 Skip Intro

I’m sure that’s being said on talk radio already.

No doubt, alongside declarations that they’d have won even more seats if the illegals hadn’t come to the polls in states without Voter ID or other “anti-fraud” laws. I imagine that will be the sour grapes explanation tomorrow for why Mark Warner is being declared the winner despite Gillespie’s refusal to concede.

118 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 11:40:14am

Who’s plagiarizing Dim Jim? That’s so lame.

119 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 11:41:51am
120 Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2014 11:42:37am
121 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 11:42:53am

re: #118 Vicious Piebola

Who’s plagiarizing Dim Jim? That’s so lame.

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122 ChuckJager95  Nov 6, 2014 11:43:16am

Speaking of Ebola, has there been any official clearing of everybody on Amber Vinson’s flight from Dallas to Cleveland from over three weeks ago?

I have a bet to collect and daddy needs MNF drinking money.

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 11:43:59am

re: #118 Vicious Piebola

Who’s plagiarizing Dim Jim? That’s so lame.

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Well, it can’t be us. We’re irrelevant.

124 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 11:44:16am

How soon before this map gets spammed as a “Gun Crime” map:

Like this one:

125 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 11:45:29am

re: #124 Vicious Piebola

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Like this one:
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Vermont land of gun violence and hippie ice cream, one does not belong lol.

126 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 11:47:00am

re: #119 Kragar

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I think we can go ahead and accept Keystone XL as happening. There are likely to be at least six Democrats from red states willing to sign on, and it’s not like dudebros will hate him any less if he vetoes the bill.

But ACA repeal? Dead in the water, no matter how many times the GOP tilts at that particular windmill. About the only bit that might find bipartisan support and the President’s signature is a repeal of the medical device tax.

127 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 11:47:07am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Vermont land of gun violence and hippie ice cream, one does not belong lol.

If they start using the “new map” it looks like those Canadian drug gangs have really infiltrated deep into Minnesota.

128 Timothy Watson  Nov 6, 2014 11:47:13am

re: #124 Vicious Piebola

How soon before this map gets spammed as a “Gun Crime” map:

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Like this one:
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That one would be even stupider for the RWNJs to use since it’s obviously congressional districts and not counties.

129 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 11:50:30am
130 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 11:50:49am

re: #119 Kragar

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ButvObama!

131 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 11:50:56am

re: #128 Timothy Watson

That one would be even stupider for the RWNJs to use since it’s obviously congressional districts and not counties.

Like they would even stop to think about it for a New York second.

132 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 11:51:21am

re: #127 Vicious Piebola

If they start using the “new map” it looks like those Canadian drug gangs have really infiltrated deep into Minnesota.

Hehe seriously.

133 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 11:52:24am

re: #122 ChuckJager95

Speaking of Ebola, has there been any official clearing of everybody on Amber Vinson’s flight from Dallas to Cleveland from over three weeks ago?

I have a bet to collect and daddy needs MNF drinking money.

Ebola? We don’t need that any more. Who cares what she does now?

134 Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2014 11:53:06am

re: #40 psddluva4evah

original link from TPM, who caught the story.

C-SPAN Caller On Air: ‘Republicans Hate That N***er Obama’ (VIDEO) @TPM talkingpointsmemo.com

I have head that kind of talk around watering holes enough to not be surprised.

135 psddluva4evah  Nov 6, 2014 11:54:21am

Ok, not for nothing, and maybe not quite on topic, but as some may know, I’m currently in Hawaii. Yesterday I went in a tour bus to view the sites.

While waiting for other to file in, I happened to talk this this older white gentlemen who was on the tour with his wife, daughter and son in law. The man and his wife were retired, him union & military, her an “educator”. they were from Washingtin state and Daughter was from Oregon I think.

ok.so if u have ever been to Hawaii in the past 6+ years, then you know they are very proud of the President and his Hawaiian heritage. So of course, the tour was peppered with tidbits about his visits and landmarks that people may associate with him (i.e. where he stays, where he spread his mother’s and grandmother’s ashes…etc). The tour guide affectionately referred to him as “Barry Obama”.

So anyway, we had stopped in this town along the scenic highway route where you could get touristy stuff and whatnot . so the old man and his family got back on the bus. Another passenger, from North Carolina said to the SIL, “you didn’t get one of those Obama bobble heads…” to which. the SIL not missing a beat said, “why so I can shoot at it?” after which the old man and family all had a hardy laugh at his joke. I had BTW, noticed some “bristling” from the bunch whenever any tidbit about Obama was thrown into the tour even before this.

Now I had just had a perfectly fine exchange with this man, but needless to say, it pissed me off. I’m traveling alone, so I had no one to vent to, but as you can imagine, I couldn’t sit next to this family or group of people anymore, so thankfully the bus was only 1/2 full, so I moved up and away from the lot of them. I did my best to neither talk to them or be near their presence for the remainder of the tour. I’d rather sit by myself than be in their presence or smile in their faces or even try to have any sort of conversation with them.

anyway, just had to share this story, it hasn’t colored my trip, or the remainder of the tour, but it’s still pissed me off so much that I’m sharing the story with y’all today.

136 jamesfirecat  Nov 6, 2014 11:54:31am

re: #129 Kragar

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My response as ever Mr. Stewart take it away…

137 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 12:03:09pm

Stupidest Tweet of the Day (of course it can be out-stupided)

138 b_sharp  Nov 6, 2014 12:04:51pm

Is it Ok to pop my head up now?

Hmmm.

My laptop drive died a couple of days ago so I threw in an old drive and installed Ubuntu.

Seems to be working quite well.

So, how are all your asses?

139 dog philosopher  Nov 6, 2014 12:06:35pm

ebola

will the cartoon series be out soon?

140 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 12:07:07pm

re: #138 b_sharp

Is it Ok to pop my head up now?

Hmmm.

My laptop drive died a couple of days ago so I threw in an old drive and installed Ubuntu.

Seems to be working quite well.

So, how are all your asses?

playing with a troll downstairs.

141 dog philosopher  Nov 6, 2014 12:07:38pm

i am amazed to find that, in actual fact, i did get up at 6 am this morning and spent two hours shoveling dirt

this would hardly conform to my typical ethology

142 Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2014 12:08:53pm

re: #141 dog philosopher

i am amazed to find that, in actual fact, i did get up at 6 am this morning and spent two hours shoveling dirt

this would hardly conform to my typical ethology

Decided to go with the Progressive Bunker, eh?

143 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 12:09:20pm

The Orange Boner explains how bipartisanship will work in the new Congress.

Speaking to reporters in his first news conference since the GOP won control of the Senate and added at least a dozen seats in the House, Boehner vowed to hold more votes to repeal Obamacare and challenge existing regulations. He also promised a tough response if Obama tries to do anything on his own.

…..

He warned that if Obama tries to take executive action on things like immigration reform — as the president signaled he would Wednesday if Congress continues to stall — it would “poison the well” and prompt a harsh response from Republicans.

“When you play with matches, you take the risk of burning yourself,” Boehner said. “And he’s going to burn himself if he continues to go down this path.”

huffingtonpost.com

144 b_sharp  Nov 6, 2014 12:09:46pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

playing with a troll downstairs.

Sounds like fun.

145 Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2014 12:10:23pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

playing with a troll downstairs.

Wash your hands when you’re done.

146 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 12:10:45pm

re: #143 Skip Intro

The Orange Boner explains how bipartisanship will work in the new Congress.

Speaking to reporters in his first news conference since the GOP won control of the Senate and added at least a dozen seats in the House, Boehner vowed to hold more votes to repeal Obamacare and challenge existing regulations. He also promised a tough response if Obama tries to do anything on his own.

…..

He warned that if Obama tries to take executive action on things like immigration reform — as the president signaled he would Wednesday if Congress continues to stall — it would “poison the well” and prompt a harsh response from Republicans.

“When you play with matches, you take the risk of burning yourself,” Boehner said. “And he’s going to burn himself if he continues to go down this path.”

huffingtonpost.com

Shorter article: “Boehner promises more of the same for next two years.”

147 b_sharp  Nov 6, 2014 12:11:05pm

re: #141 dog philosopher

i am amazed to find that, in actual fact, i did get up at 6 am this morning and spent two hours shoveling dirt

this would hardly conform to my typical ethology

My grandson has been up since yesterday 3:00pm.

He’s playing video games.

I couldn’t do that if my life depended on it.

148 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 12:12:20pm

re: #143 Skip Intro

The Orange Boner explains how bipartisanship will work in the new Congress.

Speaking to reporters in his first news conference since the GOP won control of the Senate and added at least a dozen seats in the House, Boehner vowed to hold more votes to repeal Obamacare and challenge existing regulations. He also promised a tough response if Obama tries to do anything on his own.

…..

He warned that if Obama tries to take executive action on things like immigration reform — as the president signaled he would Wednesday if Congress continues to stall — it would “poison the well” and prompt a harsh response from Republicans.

“When you play with matches, you take the risk of burning yourself,” Boehner said. “And he’s going to burn himself if he continues to go down this path.”

huffingtonpost.com

He’s got some nerve given he’s on record on saying another Obamacare repeal is coming. Great job voters giving these pricks even more power.

149 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 12:13:10pm

re: #147 b_sharp

My grandson has been up since yesterday 3:00pm.

He’s playing video games.

I couldn’t do that if my life depended on it.

Kids these days and I am a gamer too!

150 Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2014 12:13:34pm
151 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 12:14:49pm

Look, it’s a big giant circle of all the crops are going to fail!

152 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 12:15:29pm

re: #135 psddluva4evah

I hope, other than having to listen to ignorant fools, that you are having a wonderful time!

They are easily amused, and often by things that are not the least bit funny.

153 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 12:16:23pm

Obama acting on an issue that people agree with him on, “playing with matches” but Boehner and his gang of dicks trying to repeal ACA again and again, just gine, seriously who does that fuck think he’s fooling with this horseshit.

154 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 12:17:34pm

re: #144 b_sharp

Sounds like fun.

waiting for him to return with the UN argument.

155 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 12:17:35pm

Like how McConnell and Boehner are already trying to bullshit people into believing that, if they don’t get their way, then the President is to blame. They’ve already shown their cards, from more ACA repeal attempts, to more deregulation, more tax cuts, more “deficit reduction,” and so forth. Which means more hostage-taking, more playing chicken with shutdowns and debt ceilings, more horse-trading, and overall a ratcheting up over everything they’ve done since 2011.

And why stop? It’s worked for them so far.

156 makeitstop  Nov 6, 2014 12:17:38pm
“When you play with matches, you take the risk of burning yourself,” Boehner said. “And he’s going to burn himself if he continues to go down this path.”

My FB Wingnuts are making noises to the effect that if Obama vetoes any legislation, Congress will impeach him for it.

Now, I realize that they’re dumb. But could they possibly be that dumb?

157 psddluva4evah  Nov 6, 2014 12:18:23pm

re: #152 BeachDem

oh, I had a wonderful time. the next stop almost right after was at the By-odin Temple (I think I’m spelling that right), the calm and cleansing nature of the place was welcome.

158 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 12:18:39pm

re: #151 klystron

Look, it’s a big giant circle of all the crops are going to fail!

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I am apparently hogging all of the rain.

sigh…

159 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 12:19:00pm
160 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 12:20:35pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am apparently hogging all of the rain.

sigh…

Your spaceship-bunker doubles as a submarine, right?

161 Franklin  Nov 6, 2014 12:21:27pm

Saw this on another blog I frequent. There was a topic on the lack of political courage in todays Democrats:

The quote includes a quote, so I will paste it between the dashed lines:

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RFK in 1968…spoke expanding healthcare access to conservative medical students in Indiana. One of them asked where the money for the programs would come from. RFK was pissed off and didn’t hesitate:

From you. I look around this room and I don’t see many black faces who will become doctors. Part of a civilized society is to let people go to medical school who come from ghettos. I don’t see many people coming here from the slums, or off of Indian reservations. You are the privileged ones here. It’s easy for you to sit back and say it’s the fault of the Federal Government. But it’s our responsibility too. It’s our society too… It’s the poor who carry the major burden of the struggle in Vietnam. You sit here as white medical students, while black people carry the burden of the fighting in Vietnam.

They booed and he didn’t care. What politician would ever say such a thing today?

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162 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 12:22:15pm

re: #160 klystron

Your spaceship-bunker doubles as a submarine, right?

indeed!

163 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 6, 2014 12:23:18pm

Hey about that “Congress like you ma”p. Glaring omission- income or assets. Come on most of those guys are 1%ers. I just went from six to zero.

164 Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2014 12:23:35pm

re: #156 makeitstop

My FB Wingnuts are making noises to the effect that if Obama vetoes any legislation, Congress will impeach him for it.

Now, I realize that they’re dumb. But could they possibly be that dumb?

Rhetorical question, right?

165 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 12:24:36pm

re: #161 Franklin

Saw this on another blog I frequent. There was a topic on the lack of political courage in todays Democrats:

The quote includes a quote, so I will paste it between the dashed lines:

————————————————————————————————————————
RFK in 1968…spoke expanding healthcare access to conservative medical students in Indiana. One of them asked where the money for the programs would come from. RFK was pissed off and didn’t hesitate:

They booed and he didn’t care. What politician would ever say such a thing today?

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Read about that RFK moment in Nixonland. Sigh. What a president he could have been:

166 Franklin  Nov 6, 2014 12:25:08pm

re: #161 Franklin

And if you didn’t read that quote in Robert Kennedy’s voice, or at least Mayor Quimby, then you have no imagination.

167 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 6, 2014 12:25:12pm

re: #156 makeitstop

Where would they get the votes? (Sure, the House alone would do that in an instant.)

168 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 12:25:13pm

re: #161 Franklin

And then they killed him. 1968 was one of the worst years I can remember.

Editing to add: that didn’t come out right. I agree, he was a brave voice—I remember the night he was killed. It nearly did me in. Still think about it. And it seems the conservative selfishness hasn’t changed. Sigh.

169 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 12:25:41pm

re: #156 makeitstop

My FB Wingnuts are making noises to the effect that if Obama vetoes any legislation, Congress will impeach him for it.

Now, I realize that they’re dumb. But could they possibly be that dumb?

Yes. They are that stupid. Any Obama veto is going to have them furious even though he rarely vetoes.

170 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 12:27:41pm

re: #168 BeachDem

And then they killed him. 1968 was one of the worst years I can remember.

Has anyone seen my good friend, can you tell me where he’s gone? But I just looked around and he’s gone.

171 Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2014 12:27:54pm

re: #168 BeachDem

And then they killed him. 1968 was one of the worst years I can remember.

Strangely, that sense persists though Sirhan obviously was not part of any local ‘they’. Unless, perhaps it’s just the ‘they’ who are willing to kill for hatred or fame.

172 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 6, 2014 12:29:01pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

Strangely, that sense persists though Sirhan obviously was not part of any local ‘they’. Unless, perhaps it’s just the ‘they’ who are willing to kill for hatred or fame.

Sirhan was obviously led by the freemasons.//

173 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 12:30:46pm

re: #172 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Sirhan was obviously led by the freemasons.//

Actually, it was about ethics in game journalism.

174 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 6, 2014 12:31:12pm

re: #173 Kragar

Actually, it was about ethics in game journalism.

Isn’t everything?

175 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 12:34:04pm
176 JustMark  Nov 6, 2014 12:35:04pm

re: #175 Kragar

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177 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 12:40:07pm

re: #175 Kragar

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Seems like every morning, I wake up and America has regressed another decade.

178 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 6, 2014 12:43:55pm
179 Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2014 12:44:18pm

re: #118 Vicious Piebola

Who’s plagiarizing Dim Jim? That’s so lame.

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180 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 12:54:27pm

re: #175 Kragar

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And he can go back to the 1860’s and stay there.

181 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 12:55:29pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

Seems like every morning, I wake up and America has regressed another decade.

A small ray of light from Charles P. Pierce:

Casting about for a reason to get out of bed for the next two years, I found a reason to put at least one foot on the floor. It was out in Nebraska’s Second Congressional District. Republican incumbent Lee Terry, who is perhaps the Keystone XL pipeline’s BFF 4-ever, got skunked by his Democratic challenger, a state senator named Brad Ashford.

182 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 6, 2014 12:57:15pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

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How are they going to get the Anaconda to wear the suit?

RBS

183 jamesfirecat  Nov 6, 2014 1:00:22pm

re: #182 RealityBasedEbola

How are they going to get the Anaconda to wear the suit?

RBS

One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don’t know.

—-Groucho Marx

184 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:01:16pm

So even though Obama has used relatively few executive actions compared to his predecessors in both parties, Boehner aka Mr. I’ve shoved several wasteful repeals of ACA to placate my lunatic base even though I knew the Senate wouldn’t pass them and that the president would not sign them is threatening the president over using executive action. Really fuck you Boehner. Fuck you and the wave of right wing lies that got you the speakership four years ago.

185 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 1:01:58pm

story behind that SC poll:

South Carolina exit polls ask voters whether blacks are getting too uppity about equality

The poll was conducted by a political scientist from Clemson University, David Woodard, who insisted that it was not meant to be provocative.

“It was designed to take advantage of a political moment of Senator Tim Scott’s election as the first African-American from a southern state since reconstruction,” he told WSPA.

186 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:02:31pm

Really though I cannot wait to read Obama’s memoirs and especially to see what he has to say about the GOP leadership in Congress. I really hope he pulls no punches in describing what a pathetic bunch of jackasses the GOP congressional leadership especially is.

187 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:03:46pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

story behind that SC poll:

South Carolina exit polls ask voters whether blacks are getting too uppity about equality

So it was a real question. What the fuck even for South Carolina. But then again I am sure there are many there wishing they could have been there to fire on Fort Sumter.

188 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 1:04:49pm

Well, isn’t THIS interesting (I guess it’s about ethics in gaming the system journalism)..

buried in a story about how the Republicans became geniuses at the art of putting shoes on their wacky candidates…CNN’s S.E. Cupp conducted mock interviews to help prepare them for the grilling they’d get from the media…

what is purported CNN “analyst” S.E. Cupp doing bringing her smart-person glasses into an effort to groom candidates for one party or another, and then going back to opine on her handiwork both on the television and on the Intertoobz? And why hasn’t she been fired yet? And if she had CNN’s permission to do this, why haven’t a couple of dozen people been fired?

Who does she think she is? George Effing Will?

I do get so tired of haggling about the price.

esquire.com

189 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:05:01pm

Early prediction but whoever Obama picks to replace Holder at AG will be labeled a left wing extremist by McConnell and the GOP senate.

190 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:05:24pm

re: #188 BeachDem

Well, isn’t THIS interesting (I guess it’s about ethics in gaming the system journalism)..

buried in a story about how the Republicans became geniuses at the art of putting shoes on their wacky candidates…CNN’s S.E. Cupp conducted mock interviews to help prepare them for the grilling they’d get from the media…

what is purported CNN “analyst” S.E. Cupp doing bringing her smart-person glasses into an effort to groom candidates for one party or another, and then going back to opine on her handiwork both on the television and on the Intertoobz? And why hasn’t she been fired yet? And if she had CNN’s permission to do this, why haven’t a couple of dozen people been fired?

Who does she think she is? George Effing Will?

I do get so tired of haggling about the price.

esquire.com

What liberal media.

191 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 6, 2014 1:06:06pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

story behind that SC poll:

South Carolina exit polls ask voters whether blacks are getting too uppity about equality

How incredibly tone deaf do you have to be to think that “uppity” is an acceptable term in that context. (assuming that there is some context where it MIGHT be acceptable). What’s their next poll… “Are Jews too pushy when it comes to the West Bank?”

That is serious industrial level stupid at work….

RBS

192 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:06:39pm

re: #191 RealityBasedEbola

How incredibly tone deaf do you have to be to think that “uppity” is an acceptable term in that context. (assuming that there is some context where it MIGHT be acceptable). What’s their next poll… “Are Jews too pushy when it comes to the West Bank?”

That is serious industrial level stupid at work….

RBS

Are Asians too sneaky? //

193 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:06:53pm

Come so far, so far to go.

194 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 1:07:25pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

story behind that SC poll:

South Carolina exit polls ask voters whether blacks are getting too uppity about equality

I was waiting for StanleySea to get here to post the article from the local station. It’s the same one in the Raw Story article.

wspa.com

195 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:12:13pm

Joe Manchin apparently is blaming a “lack of leadership” from the WH on midterm losses. Uh not exactly Joe. It comes from people like you that run away from the president the second you’re afraid that standing by the president will make you look bad and that your Republican opponent will say mean things about you. With friends like that, does Obama even need enemies? I am not saying that Obama is without fault but any Democratic senator who blames Obama for their defeat is forgetting that their own Congressional body is even more unpopular than he is and that many of the losers did everything possible to run away from the President.

196 Ace-o-aces  Nov 6, 2014 1:13:03pm
197 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2014 1:13:16pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Joe Manchin apparently is blaming a “lack of leadership” from the WH on midterm losses. Uh not exactly Joe. It comes from people like you that run away from the president the second you’re afraid that standing by the president will make you look bad and that your Republican opponent will say mean things about you. With friends like that, does Obama even need enemies?

Nailed it.

198 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:14:15pm

It is nights though like Tuesday that make me glad that Virginia has our governor’s elections in a very odd year. Because if the governor’s race was in the same climate as Tuesday was, we’re looking at honestly Governor elect Cuccinnelli, Senator elect Gillespie, definitely AG elect Obenshain, and shivers possibly even Lt. Governor elect F.W Jackson.

199 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 1:16:11pm

That means Obama has about 2 years to kill roughly 110 million people, which breaks down to 150,685 people a day.

He better get a move on.
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200 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:16:13pm

re: #197 Eclectic Cyborg

Nailed it.

I mean damn I get that some distancing from Obama was going to happen but many of these candidates and senators acted like Obama was somehow without any accomplishments. I hate the GOP and the right and what they stand for but at least they’re not afraid to go to their base and proclaim it. These Democrats OTOH act petrified because they may get linked with Obama. Obama deserves better than the Congress he’s gotten from them.

201 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:18:47pm

re: #199 Kragar

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That means Obama has about 2 years to kill roughly 110 million people, which breaks down to 150,685 people a day.

He better get a move on.
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I guess they heard Mark Levin saying Obama was going to go full Mussolini and decided “We need to sound even more pathetically paranoid than Mark Levin.” God I’m tired of these wannabe victims. They want to be victims so bad, move to North Korea because they’re not getting killed here, just mocked for being whiny losers who can’t even deal with having the national legislature in their hands without resorting to OBAMA WANTS TO KILL US. Rick Wiles needs to be forced to watch actual footage of actual dictatorships so that maybe he’ll shut the fuck up about how Obama is like Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot.

202 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 1:19:04pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Early prediction but whoever Obama picks to replace Holder at AG will be labeled a left wing extremist by McConnell and the GOP senate.

My prediction is that if Obama nominates anyone other than Roberto Gonzales or Ed Meese the AG spot will still be vacant when he leaves office.

203 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2014 1:19:43pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

The issue is the right hate Obama for well, pretty much everything, but there’s many on the Left not too thrilled with him either because:

1) They don’t think he’s been aggressive enough at going after the GOP and fighting for the policies he wants to implement

2) They don’t feel he’s Liberal enough.

Of course the reality Obama has accomplished a number of major things in his Presidency and has played a significant role in bringing the country back from the economic brink.

But it’ s the perception that matters most, NOT the reality. If the perception is negative, the reality can be as rosy as possible and it won’t make a shred of difference.

204 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2014 1:20:11pm

re: #202 Higgs Boson’s Mate

My prediction is that if Obama nominates anyone other than Roberto Gonzales or Ed Meese the AG spot will still be vacant when he leaves office.

Safe to say a similar comment could be made for the Surgeon General.

205 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:20:11pm

re: #202 Higgs Boson’s Mate

My prediction is that if Obama nominates anyone other than Roberto Gonzales or Ed Meese the AG spot will still be vacant when he leaves office.

Alberto Gonzalez would be a problem for them too but not for the reasons that he should be a problem.

206 shawnthesheep  Nov 6, 2014 1:22:18pm

Maybe it’s just because I’m a left-wing libtard, but I don’t really understand why it would be so horrible if the Obama administration were asking news outlets to be responsible in their Ebola coverage. The obvious reason to do this would be to prevent public panic, not to kill all the white people.

207 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:22:25pm

re: #203 Eclectic Cyborg

The issue is the right hate Obama for well, pretty much everything, but there’s many on the Left not too thrilled with him either because:

1) They don’t think he’s been aggressive enough at going after the GOP and fighting for the policies he wants to implement

2) They don’t feel he’s Liberal enough.

Of course the reality Obama has accomplished a number of major things in his Presidency and has played a significant role in bringing the country back from the economic brink.

But it’ s the perception that matters most, NOT the reality. If the perception is negative, the reality can be as rosy as possible and it won’t make a shred of difference.

I am honestly amazed what he has been able to accomplish. If he had even a mediocre Congress behind him, he would have even more accomplished.

208 Cheechako  Nov 6, 2014 1:23:19pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am apparently hogging all of the rain.

sigh…

You’re not even close. Over 40” since April!!!

209 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:24:06pm

re: #206 shawnthesheep

Maybe it’s just because I’m a left-wing libtard, but I don’t really understand why it would be so horrible if the Obama administration were asking news outlets to be responsible in their Ebola coverage. The obvious reason to do this would be to prevent public panic, not to kill all the white people.

Nah, that’s because you’re a reasonable person. But then again this is Dim Jim Hoft who was outraged once that the Obama twitter feed used a photo of fireworks taken on New Years Eve for Fourth of July. The guy just feeds off of the fact that his readers prime gripe with President Obama is that he had the nerve to go out and beat John McCain and Mitt Romney and convincingly so at that.

210 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:26:15pm

So Americans disapprove of Congress heavily yet actually increased the number of Republicans in the House. Really America? But I get it, your own Congressman is not at fault, it’s Nancy Pelosi’s fault or Harry Reid’s.

211 JustMark  Nov 6, 2014 1:29:00pm

re: #204 Eclectic Cyborg

I think Holder was trolling the Right. Knowing that the Senate won’t confirm his replacement, didn’t he say he’d stay until they did? He’s here for the duration, a lame duck and untouchable…

212 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:32:53pm

If Americans were truly dissatisfied with Congress, we would actually elect third party candidates but politics has become a team sport where rah rah go team is more important than electing the right people to the job. Of course, it doesn’t help that too many third party candidates are inflexible absolutists who like the TP lunatics view the word compromise as a pejorative.

213 EmmaAnne  Nov 6, 2014 1:33:41pm

re: #6 Kragar

I got seven people. It was my excess of education - there were 43 until then.

214 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 1:34:41pm
215 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 1:38:34pm

re: #208 Cheechako

You’re not even close. Over 40” since April!!!

Oh please. We’re well over 50” for the year and it’s still raining.

216 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 1:38:40pm
217 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:40:09pm

re: #216 Kragar

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I totally did not see this coming. Said no one ever who has actually watched the actions and behaviors of conservatives the first six years of Barack Obama’s presidency.

218 Jenner7  Nov 6, 2014 1:40:34pm

We need to change the way our police officer’s are trained….

219 Ace-o-aces  Nov 6, 2014 1:41:28pm

I’m not even sure how to respond to this. Who does she think I am?

220 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:41:46pm

It hasn’t even been two full days since they got back the Senate and they’re already showing that they’re still the same pathetic brats we’ve dealt with the past six years. They can’t even pretend to act gracious in victory.

221 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:42:05pm

re: #219 Ace-o-aces

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I’m not even sure how to respond to this. Who does she think I am?

He, that’s Dana’s whacked out husband.

222 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 1:42:06pm

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh please. We’re well over 50” for the year and it’s still raining.

We might hit double digits this year if we get a some winter storms in the next few weeks.

223 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 1:42:50pm

re: #219 Ace-o-aces

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I’m not even sure how to respond to this. Who does she think I am?

Actually, Chris is a he…Dana’s husband.

224 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 1:43:06pm

re: #219 Ace-o-aces

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I’m not even sure how to respond to this. Who does she think I am?

He probably thinks all his detractors are one person.

225 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 1:43:32pm

re: #222 Kragar

We might hit double digits this year if we get a some winter storms in the next few weeks.

I’ve got algae growing on my truck and the outside walls of my house.
It’s ridiculous.

226 Ace-o-aces  Nov 6, 2014 1:44:54pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Actually, Chris is a he…Dana’s husband.

Strangely gender-neutral names for such a conservative couple.

227 Ace-o-aces  Nov 6, 2014 1:48:16pm

I see conservatives have their new black-friend-who-proves-they’re-not-really-racist.

228 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 1:49:46pm
229 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:50:24pm

You know why I’m cynical though. Younger voters are supposed to be more socially liberal. The GOP newbies in this election that were elected are pretty young. You have three new under 45 senators that I know of. So this gets me thinking. What are the millenials that the GOP is going to elect going ot look like? Actually, I think they did elect a couple of them. I assume Love is quite socially conservative being she’s in Utah and LDS. I guess my point is, the GOP’s millenials may even more reactionary. I keep on hearing how young conservatives aren’t as socially conservative as their elders and maybe there is some small truth to that but among those who actually can and do get nominated by the GOP, I really don’t see anything.

230 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 1:50:30pm

re: #216 Kragar

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New Congress hasn’t even taken their oaths and already the wingnuts are losing their shit.

231 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 1:52:18pm

re: #227 Ace-o-aces

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I see conservatives have their new black-friend-who-proves-they’re-not-really-racist.

No but it was conservatives that opposed the first black major party nominee for president if you want to play that card. Chris, could it be that our problems with Mia Love and Tim Scott were ideological? You don’t see liberals calling them things you do with conservatives and black candidates, and frankly it’s sad that that it took until 2014 for your party to elect a black woman to Congress. And Tim Scott isn’t the first black man elected Senator as a Republican. And that’s not even including Reconstruction. Edward Brooke was but you would probably hate him because he was a liberal from “Taxachusetts.”

232 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2014 1:59:36pm

*sigh*

A guy I work with got pulled into a meeting with HR today because he came on premises with a concealed hand gun.

He has a CCW and he honestly believed the 2nd Amendment entitled him to bring the weapon anywhere he wanted to. One of our managers explained to him that’s not how it works. He got a bit belligerent and well, that’s what led to the HR meeting.

233 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 2:00:29pm

My congressional district elected an African-American woman, who was running against ANOTHER African-American woman. But since the winner was a Democrat it’s considered a normal thing and not a magical trophy.

Also she totally KICKED ASS getting 78% of the vote.

234 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 2:00:43pm

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

*sigh*

A guy I work with got pulled into a meeting with HR today because he came on premises with a concealed hand gun.

He has a CCW and he honestly believed the 2nd Amendment entitled him to bring the weapon anywhere he wanted to. One of our managers explained to him that’s not how it works. He got a bit belligerent and well, that’s what led o the HR meeting.

What a fucking idiot.

235 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2014 2:01:45pm

re: #234 Kragar

What a fucking idiot.

Yeah, never had anything like that happen at work before but the fact I live in the South now may have something to do with it.

236 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:01:56pm

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

*sigh*

A guy I work with got pulled into a meeting with HR today because he came on premises with a concealed hand gun.

He has a CCW and he honestly believed the 2nd Amendment entitled him to bring the weapon anywhere he wanted to. One of our managers explained to him that’s not how it works. He got a bit belligerent and well, that’s what led o the HR meeting.

Many of those types think they can bring their weapons onto airplanes too. Not shocked that this genius thought the 2nd entitles him to bring one to the office. People like that are part of why I don’t like guns that much. It’s the whole “My gun makes me a big shot” thing.

237 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 2:03:20pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Actually, Chris is a he…Dana’s husband.

Could they have found more gender-ambiguous names? Were Pat and Dale already taken?

EDIT: As it happens, my Conservative cousin in West Oh For Fuck’s Sake By God Virginia and his wife are named Dale and Pat, so perhaps there IS something about Conservatives and those names.

238 TedStriker  Nov 6, 2014 2:03:35pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Many of those types think they can bring their weapons onto airplanes too. Not shocked that this genius thought the 2nd entitles him to bring one to the office. People like that are part of why I don’t like guns that much. It’s the whole “My gun makes me a big shot” thing.

It’s the holy totem for the fearful and moronic.

239 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:04:22pm

re: #238 TedStriker

It’s the holy totem for the fearful and moronic.

I need my gun for when I have ribs, commie!

240 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 2:04:53pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Many of those types think they can bring their weapons onto airplanes too. Not shocked that this genius thought the 2nd entitles him to bring one to the office. People like that are part of why I don’t like guns that much. It’s the whole “My gun makes me a big shot” thing.

And more than one of them have been elected officials.

241 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 2:06:24pm

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

*sigh*

A guy I work with got pulled into a meeting with HR today because he came on premises with a concealed hand gun.

He has a CCW and he honestly believed the 2nd Amendment entitled him to bring the weapon anywhere he wanted to. One of our managers explained to him that’s not how it works. He got a bit belligerent and well, that’s what led to the HR meeting.

Really? How unexpected!
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242 nines09  Nov 6, 2014 2:07:41pm

Sanity break. Turn it up.
Boy does that move me deep. Hope you like it. BBL.

243 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:07:51pm

re: #233 Vicious Piebola

My congressional district elected an African-American woman, who was running against ANOTHER African-American woman. But since the winner was a Democrat it’s considered a normal thing and not a magical trophy.

Also she totally KICKED ASS getting 78% of the vote.

Honestly for as much as they love to trumpet the Republican Party behind the reason that Civil Rights exists, shouldn’t it tell them something that it’s 2014 and that they just now elected their first Afircan American woman to Congress. I mean the first African American woman sent to Congress period happened before my parents could even vote and there’s been several since Shirley Chisholm’s election. Plus there’s been African American Democrats in Congress since FDR’s presidency without interruption. And Maryland would have elected an African American governor who would have also been the first Iraq War vet elected governor too if A) he had ran a better campaign and B) if it had been more a Democratic year. Love and Scott are nothing but tools for white conservatives to hide behind.

244 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:08:10pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

And more than one of them have been elected officials.

Yeah, fucked up isn’t it?

245 EPR-radar  Nov 6, 2014 2:08:51pm

re: #76 Skip Intro

The leader of the GOP has just issued his orders.

Limbaugh To GOP: You Were Elected To Stop Obama, Not Govern

crooksandliars.com

Thus ends the farcical notion that a GOP Congress will try to govern in the last 2 years of Obama’s term.

246 bill d  Nov 6, 2014 2:08:56pm

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

So you work in a gun free zone?!? That’s like hanging a sign out to be robbed and mass killed!

247 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:10:54pm

I do love how all the “independent conservatives” who claim not to be Republicans are all joyful at the Republican victory though. I mean if you want to be a Republican fine but it’s downright amusing how many people who call themselves independents or conservatives but hide away from the Republican party label constantly vote for the Republican candidate.

248 bill d  Nov 6, 2014 2:10:57pm

Couldn’t Pierre claim that that article was his property?

249 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 2:11:09pm
250 allegro  Nov 6, 2014 2:11:15pm

re: #245 EPR-radar

Thus ends the farcical notion that a GOP Congress will try to govern in the last 2 years of Obama’s term.

They would have to take a break from the chest pounding and banging their war drums battle bongos.

251 Ace-o-aces  Nov 6, 2014 2:11:38pm
252 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 2:12:03pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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253 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:13:26pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I really wish the USSC when they overturned DOMA decided to find the whole concept of SSM bans unconstitutional. SSM bans should have been wiped out like interracial marriage bans in Loving.

254 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 2:15:42pm

and…Carl is baaaaaaaaaaack derping away.

255 Ace-o-aces  Nov 6, 2014 2:16:18pm
256 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 2:17:06pm

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

*sigh*

A guy I work with got pulled into a meeting with HR today because he came on premises with a concealed hand gun.

He has a CCW and he honestly believed the 2nd Amendment entitled him to bring the weapon anywhere he wanted to. One of our managers explained to him that’s not how it works. He got a bit belligerent and well, that’s what led to the HR meeting.

You must have some bad motherfuckers working there if your fellow employee feels the need to pack heat.

257 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:18:26pm

re: #255 Ace-o-aces

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Seriously does Wiles actually understand how murderous dictatorships operate? I mean I get that he thinks Obama wants to kill him even though Obama would sooner laugh in his face for being so pathetic than that.

258 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 2:18:39pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

I really wish the USSC when they overturned DOMA decided to find the whole concept of SSM bans unconstitutional. SSM bans should have been wiped out like interracial marriage bans in Loving.

You have Anthony Kennedy and his love affair with states rights to thank for that. Man allowed his own personal disapproval of same-sex marriage to guide his vote.

259 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:20:10pm

re: #258 Targetpractice

You have Anthony Kennedy and his love affair with states rights to thank for that. Man allowed his own personal disapproval of same-sex marriage to guide his vote.

That gets me at another thing that has me bummed about the Senate. I think Obama will have one other USSC vacancy. Makes that even more difficult.

260 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 2:21:02pm

From the dissent on the SSM case today:

Today, my colleagues seem to have fallen prey to the misguided notion that the intent of the framers of the United States Constitution can be effectuated only by cleaving to the legislative will and ignoring and demonizing an independent judiciary. Of course, the framers presciently recognized that two of the three co-equal branches of government were representative in nature and necessarily would be guided by self-interest and the pull of popular opinion. To restrain those natural, human impulses, the framers crafted Article III to ensure that rights, liberties, and duties need not be held hostage by popular whims.

More than 20 years ago, when I took my oath of office to serve as a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, I solemnly swore to “administer justice without respect to persons,” to “do equal right to the poor and to the rich,” and to “faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me … under the Constitution and laws of the United States.”

If we in the judiciary do not have the authority, and indeed the responsibility, to right fundamental wrongs left excused by a majority
of the electorate, our whole intricate, constitutional system of checks and balances, as well as the oaths to which we swore, prove to be nothing but shams

261 Cheechako  Nov 6, 2014 2:21:03pm

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh please. We’re well over 50” for the year and it’s still raining.

62.42” for the year and it’s still raining hard today!!!

262 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 6, 2014 2:21:52pm

re: #248 bill d

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Couldn’t Pierre claim that that article was his property?

No idea. But that would’ve been petty and wouldn’t look good.

263 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 2:22:17pm

Did anyone listen to Boehner earlier? His disdain for Pres Obama couldn’t have been more clear.

Same shit, different election.

We’re just in for the same old same old from the Rs.

264 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 2:22:26pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

No but it was conservatives that opposed the first black major party nominee for president if you want to play that card. Chris, could it be that our problems with Mia Love and Tim Scott were ideological? You don’t see liberals calling them things you do with conservatives and black candidates, and frankly it’s sad that that it took until 2014 for your party to elect a black woman to Congress. And Tim Scott isn’t the first black man elected Senator as a Republican. And that’s not even including Reconstruction. Edward Brooke was but you would probably hate him because he was a liberal from “Taxachusetts.”

My disdain for Tim Scott, who I remind you was once my Rep and is now my Senator, is TOTALLY ideological, based on his stances on issues like these:

ontheissues.org

Repeal ObamaCare; it’s not a government responsibility. (Sep 2014)
I don’t want to know how many calories are on my pizza. (Mar 2014)
Fight the billion-dollar mandate of ObamaCare. (Apr 2012)
Fight against government takeover of health care. (Nov 2010)
Voted YES on the Ryan Budget: Medicare choice, tax & spending cuts. (Apr 2011)
Voted YES on repealing the “Prevention and Public Health” slush fund. (Apr 2011)
Defund, repeal, & replace federal care with free market. (Jul 2010)
Repeal any federal health care takeover. (Jul 2010)
Repeal the Job-Killing Health Care Law. (Jan 2011)

Taxpayer Protection Pledge: no new taxes. (Aug 2010)
Adopt a single-rate tax system. (Jul 2010)
Repeal tax hikes in capital gains and death tax. (Jul 2010)
Replace income tax & estate tax with 23% sales tax. (Jan 2011)
Permanently repeal the estate tax. (Jan 2011)
Supports the Taxpayer Protection Pledge. (Jan 2012)

No subsidies for wind and solar. (Sep 2014)
Voted YES on opening Outer Continental Shelf to oil drilling. (May 2011)
Voted YES on barring EPA from regulating greenhouse gases. (Apr 2011)
Signed the No Climate Tax Pledge by AFP. (Nov 2010)
Cap-and-trade has no impact on global temperatures. (Jul 2010)
Explore proven energy reserves & keep energy prices low. (Jul 2010)

Voted NO on protecting ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems. (May 2013)

Opposes more gun restrictions. (Sep 2014)
Don’t rush to judgment on gun control after school shootings. (Dec 2012)
Second Amendment is cornerstone of our democracy. (Nov 2010)
Voted NO on banning high-capacity magazines of over 10 bullets. (Apr 2013)
Opposes restricting gun purchase & possession. (Nov 2010)
Loosen restrictions on interstate gun purchases. (Oct 2011)
Allow veterans to register unlicensed guns acquired abroad. (Dec 2011)
Oppose the United Nations’ Arms Trade Treaty. (Sep 2013)

Protect the borders; prevent illegal entry. (Sep 2014)
Opposes a pathway to citizenship. (Nov 2010)

I flunked Civics & English but thought my way out of poverty. (Mar 2014)
Conservative values based on “think your way out of poverty”. (Apr 2013)

I disagree with just about everything that comes out of that man’s mouth.

265 makeitstop  Nov 6, 2014 2:23:09pm

re: #248 bill d

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Couldn’t Pierre claim that that article was his property?

I think Taibbi’s employment status was changed to ‘contractor’ or something like that - in which case, Pierre wouldn’t be able to lay claim. (IANAL)

266 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 2:23:23pm

re: #258 Targetpractice

You have Anthony Kennedy and his love affair with states rights to thank for that. Man allowed his own personal disapproval of same-sex marriage to guide his vote.

And there’s the incomparable Clarence Thomas, whose own marriage would be illegal if not for Loving vs Virginia, taking his cues from Scalia.

267 Jenner7  Nov 6, 2014 2:23:41pm

re: #263 Justanotherhuman

But it’s Obama’s fault…why? For reasons. Just fix it, Obama.

smh

268 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 2:23:45pm

re: #260 Kragar

From the dissent on the SSM case today:

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I don’t speak legaliese, but it sounds like the fellow in the black robe just said that his personal opinion overrides the will of the people.

269 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:24:41pm

re: #264 BeachDem

My disdain for Tim Scott, who I remind you was once my Rep and is now my Senator, is TOTALLY ideological, based on his stances on issues like these:

ontheissues.org

Repeal ObamaCare; it’s not a government responsibility. (Sep 2014)
I don’t want to know how many calories are on my pizza. (Mar 2014)
Fight the billion-dollar mandate of ObamaCare. (Apr 2012)
Fight against government takeover of health care. (Nov 2010)
Voted YES on the Ryan Budget: Medicare choice, tax & spending cuts. (Apr 2011)
Voted YES on repealing the “Prevention and Public Health” slush fund. (Apr 2011)
Defund, repeal, & replace federal care with free market. (Jul 2010)
Repeal any federal health care takeover. (Jul 2010)
Repeal the Job-Killing Health Care Law. (Jan 2011)

Taxpayer Protection Pledge: no new taxes. (Aug 2010)
Adopt a single-rate tax system. (Jul 2010)
Repeal tax hikes in capital gains and death tax. (Jul 2010)
Replace income tax & estate tax with 23% sales tax. (Jan 2011)
Permanently repeal the estate tax. (Jan 2011)
Supports the Taxpayer Protection Pledge. (Jan 2012)

No subsidies for wind and solar. (Sep 2014)
Voted YES on opening Outer Continental Shelf to oil drilling. (May 2011)
Voted YES on barring EPA from regulating greenhouse gases. (Apr 2011)
Signed the No Climate Tax Pledge by AFP. (Nov 2010)
Cap-and-trade has no impact on global temperatures. (Jul 2010)
Explore proven energy reserves & keep energy prices low. (Jul 2010)

Voted NO on protecting ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems. (May 2013)

Opposes more gun restrictions. (Sep 2014)
Don’t rush to judgment on gun control after school shootings. (Dec 2012)
Second Amendment is cornerstone of our democracy. (Nov 2010)
Voted NO on banning high-capacity magazines of over 10 bullets. (Apr 2013)
Opposes restricting gun purchase & possession. (Nov 2010)
Loosen restrictions on interstate gun purchases. (Oct 2011)
Allow veterans to register unlicensed guns acquired abroad. (Dec 2011)
Oppose the United Nations’ Arms Trade Treaty. (Sep 2013)

Protect the borders; prevent illegal entry. (Sep 2014)
Opposes a pathway to citizenship. (Nov 2010)

I flunked Civics & English but thought my way out of poverty. (Mar 2014)
Conservative values based on “think your way out of poverty”. (Apr 2013)

I disagree with just about everything that comes out of that man’s mouth.

Right, I would be voting against that guy if he were my direct kin but you know somehow it’s racists for liberals to be against people who are nuts. They pull the same crap everytime they actually have a racial minority conservative- YOU LIBERALS ARE RACIST FOR OPPOSING HIM. I didn’t see the results but I imagine most African American South Carolinians voted against him but then again I bet Loesch like pretty much every conservative I’ve seen thinks African Americans are too stupid to know what’s good for them.

270 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 2:24:45pm

re: #261 Cheechako

62.42” for the year and it’s still raining hard today!!!

Commenting from Southern California here. Please be good enough to tell me what “raining” means.

271 EPR-radar  Nov 6, 2014 2:25:14pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

So we finally have a circuit split on SSM. SCOTUS can’t really dodge the question any more (unless an appeal to the full 6th circuit overturns this panel decision).

272 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 2:25:23pm

re: #268 Targetpractice

I don’t speak legaliese, but it sounds like the fellow in the black robe just said that his personal opinion overrides the will of the people.

Frak, I forgot the wingnut tags.

273 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 2:25:25pm

re: #261 Cheechako

62.42” for the year and it’s still raining hard today!!!

But I have algae.
#Winning!

274 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:25:47pm

re: #266 Higgs Boson’s Mate

And there’s the incomparable Clarence Thomas, whose own marriage would be illegal if not for Loving vs Virginia, taking his cues from Scalia.

Knowing Thomas he would have voted against Loving Vs Virginia. Which sounds crazy but then you see that his mentor is on record of saying he would have dissented in Brown.

275 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 2:26:20pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

Frak, I forgot the wingnut tags.

I was confused there, for a moment. :)

276 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 2:26:23pm

re: #270 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Commenting from Southern California here. Please be good enough to tell me what “raining” means.

Arrakis… Dune… California

277 EPR-radar  Nov 6, 2014 2:26:39pm

re: #270 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Commenting from Southern California here. Please be good enough to tell me what “raining” means.

It is difficult to properly define a mythical entity. (SF bay area here).

278 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 2:28:04pm

re: #276 Kragar

Arrakis… Dune… California

Do we have worm sign?

279 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 2:28:27pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Knowing Thomas he would have voted against Loving Vs Virginia. Which sounds crazy but then you see that his mentor is on record of saying he would have dissented in Brown.

Really, that wouldn’t surprise me because Thomas would say it’s a state’s rights issue. The Lovings could just move to a state where it’s legal (like Thomas and his wife did).

no sarcasm there at all, sadly.

280 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 2:29:04pm

Nicely accessible discussion on the probably-not-helping-CA-with-rain El Nino:

281 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 2:29:24pm

re: #278 Targetpractice

Do we have worm sign?

We have wormsign the likes of which even God has never seen!

282 EPR-radar  Nov 6, 2014 2:29:49pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Knowing Thomas he would have voted against Loving Vs Virginia. Which sounds crazy but then you see that his mentor is on record of saying he would have dissented in Brown.

Thomas might have gotten it right on Loving. After all, the one moment of humanity I’m aware of from Thomas is when he departed from RW orthodoxy on whether cross-burning was protected expression under the 1st amendment.

However, being for civil rights only and exclusively for your own disadvantaged group is a really pathetic and worthless position.

283 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 2:30:03pm

re: #263 Justanotherhuman

Did anyone listen to Boehner earlier? His disdain for Pres Obama couldn’t have been more clear.

Same shit, different election.

We’re just in for the same old same old from the Rs.

Lookee here now: the American people have spoken. They’ve said in a loud voice “We’re too goddamned lazy to pay attention and as long as they’re not coming after us personally who gives a fuck?”

I like to think of it as “The Song of Lambs Being Led to the Slaughter.”

284 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:30:32pm

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really, that wouldn’t surprise me because Thomas would say it’s a state’s rights issue. The Lovings could just move to a state where it’s legal (like Thomas and his wife did).

no sarcasm there at all, sadly.

Right. And sadly I’ve seen that “just move to another state” thing done by many conservatives. There was one guy especially on a site that I used to post on that would always say it and it was just absurd because he acted like people should uproot their whole lives to move if a state had an unjust and in the case of this and SSM bans an unconstitutional law.

285 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:31:20pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

Thomas might have gotten it right on Loving. After all, the one moment of humanity I’m aware of from Thomas is when he departed from RW orthodoxy on whether cross-burning was protected expression under the 1st amendment.

However, being for civil rights only and exclusively for your own disadvantaged group is a really pathetic and worthless position.

I actually was not aware of that. How the hell did we go from having Thurgood Marshall to him?

286 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 2:31:26pm
287 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 2:31:26pm

re: #280 klystron

Nicely accessible discussion on the probably-not-helping-CA-with-rain El Nino:

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The downward trend in El Nino forecasts continued on Thursday with the release of NOAA’s November outlook. The Climate Prediction Center has now decreased the El Niño chances to 58 percent this winter, which is a far cry from the close to 80 percent chances the center was forecasting back in July.

Yeah, but what does Nate Silver say the odds are?
///

288 Cheechako  Nov 6, 2014 2:32:36pm

re: #270 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Commenting from Southern California here. Please be good enough to tell me what “raining” means.

It’s like going outdoors and still being in a very cold shower in your bathtub.

289 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:32:53pm

Anyone tried the chain Which Which yet? Cool concept. It’s one of those Chipotle style like places where you can get something fairly unique each time you go there. Today I had crab and artichoke with avocado, sweet chili sauce, and little fried onion strips.

290 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 2:33:16pm

re: #286 Kragar

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Looks cool, but I’m sure the hardcore fans are having fits right about now.

291 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:33:26pm

re: #287 Blind Frog Ebola White

Yeah, but what does Nate Silver say the odds are?
///

Unskewed weather guy gets his forecasts from Jim Inholfe.

292 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 2:33:38pm

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Right. And sadly I’ve seen that “just move to another state” thing done by many conservatives. There was one guy especially on a site that I used to post on that would always say it and it was just absurd because he acted like people should uproot their whole lives to move if a state had an unjust and in the case of this and SSM bans an unconstitutional law.

But he’d scream bloody murder if his state tried to restrict guns.

293 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 2:33:56pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Knowing Thomas he would have voted against Loving Vs Virginia. Which sounds crazy but then you see that his mentor is on record of saying he would have dissented in Brown.

ACLU says it will file petition seeking US Supreme Court review in same-sex marriage case ‘right away’ - @adamliptak
see original on twitter.com

Looks like he might get a crack at it.

294 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 2:34:28pm

re: #288 Cheechako

It’s like going outdoors and still being in a very cold shower in your bathtub.

Thank you for that. Like many other things in my elderhood, it’s been so long that I forgot.

295 Cheechako  Nov 6, 2014 2:34:34pm

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

But I have algae.
#Winning!

I have moss growing in the trim of my motor-home and pick-up.

296 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:35:56pm

re: #292 Blind Frog Ebola White

But he’d scream bloody murder if his state tried to restrict guns.

Oh absolutely. He was your usual conservative type who thought he and not you liberals understood the intent of the founders. Not the most vile person I’ve seen politically but that just move to another state attitude bothered the hell out of me because it was just so fantastical.

297 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:36:46pm

re: #293 Justanotherhuman

ACLU says it will file petition seeking US Supreme Court review in same-sex marriage case ‘right away’ - @adamliptak
see original on twitter.com

Looks like he might get a crack at it.

Can’t see whole thing on Twitter since I’m the rare millenial who doesn’t do Twitter :).

298 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 2:37:04pm

re: #283 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Lookee here now: the American people have spoken. They’ve said in a loud voice “We’re too goddamned lazy to pay attention and as long as they’re not coming after us personally who gives a fuck?”

I like to think of it as “The Song of Lambs Being Led to the Slaughter.”

It never ceases to amaze me how some people can put 2 and 2 together and get 5.

People want more wages, but they’d rather be supplicants than fight for them and make the MF corporations pay decent wages.

299 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 2:37:39pm

re: #295 Cheechako

I have moss growing in the trim of my motor-home and pick-up.

me, too!

300 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 2:38:29pm

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Right. And sadly I’ve seen that “just move to another state” thing done by many conservatives. There was one guy especially on a site that I used to post on that would always say it and it was just absurd because he acted like people should uproot their whole lives to move if a state had an unjust and in the case of this and SSM bans an unconstitutional law.

They should be careful what they wish for. One of the jokes when I spent some time in WVA was:

What’s West Virginia’s biggest export?
College graduates.

301 EPR-radar  Nov 6, 2014 2:38:38pm

re: #296 HappyWarrior

Oh absolutely. He was your usual conservative type who thought he and not you liberals understood the intent of the founders. Not the most vile person I’ve seen politically but that just move to another state attitude bothered the hell out of me because it was just so fantastical.

Especially from somebody that would scream like a stuck pig at every action of state-level government if Democrats were in charge.

I find it simplifies life to assume hypocrisy and bad faith from conservatives, said prejudice to be revised if contrary evidence comes in, of course.

302 De Kolta Chair  Nov 6, 2014 2:38:48pm

re: #286 Kragar

re: #286 Kragar

Darth Vader @DepressedDarth

Stormtrooper from the new Star Wars


Ka-ching!!!

(Typical of Disney — make the bad guy darker)

303 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 2:39:43pm

re: #296 HappyWarrior

Oh absolutely. He was your usual conservative type who thought he and not you liberals understood the intent of the founders. Not the most vile person I’ve seen politically but that just move to another state attitude bothered the hell out of me because it was just so fantastical.

Same as blaming poor people for not moving to where there are jobs. Of course they never explain what a poor person’s supposed to get the money to move, or the low probability of being hired if you’re not already working…

304 Cheechako  Nov 6, 2014 2:39:50pm

Well have to go out in the rain and do some shopping. BBIAB

305 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:40:24pm

What amuses me about Scalia is he’s made a whole career shaming people who “let their personal views get in the way of the Constitution” and yet that’s exactly what he did in Lawrence. Antonin finds gay sex icky and gross so he ruled it was okay to criminalize gay sex. Guys like him love to talk about the 10th amendment but he ignored the 9th. Go figure that the guy has been cited by nearly every major Republican candidate for president I’ve seen in my life as what they want a judge to be like. I’d want more Bill Brennans but at this point, I’d be happy with more Sonia Sotomayors.

306 EPR-radar  Nov 6, 2014 2:40:51pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

I actually was not aware of that. How the hell did we go from having Thurgood Marshall to him?

A GHWB nominee. Even if a GOP president happens to be less of a freak than normal, they still do a great deal of damage.

307 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 2:41:05pm

re: #303 Blind Frog Ebola White

Same as blaming poor people for not moving to where there are jobs. Of course they never explain what a poor person’s supposed to get the money to move, or the low probability of being hired if you’re not already working…

Or the even more fantastical: “They should start their own businesses.”

308 ausador  Nov 6, 2014 2:41:11pm

Good evening fellow lizards.

LMAO, it would be Dim Jim still trying to flog Ebola stories, guess he hasn’t yet realized that FOX no longer cares now that the midterms are over. :(

309 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 2:42:01pm

re: #302 De Kolta Chair

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Ka-ching!!!

(Typical of Disney — make the bad guy darker)

The Inquistion, what a show
The Inquistion, here we go
We know you’re wishing
That we’d go away
But the Inquistion’s here and it’s here to stay!!

310 De Kolta Chair  Nov 6, 2014 2:42:04pm

re: #304 Cheechako

Well have to go out in the rain and do some shopping. BBIAB

Just got back myself from shopping during a rainfall. The stroller traffic was especially brutal today. Be careful out there.

311 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 2:42:59pm

re: #307 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Or the even more fantastical: “They should start their own businesses.”

They can just borrow $20,000 from their parents!

312 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:43:44pm

re: #306 EPR-radar

A GHWB nominee. Even if a GOP president happens to be less of a freak than normal, they still do a great deal of damage.

GHWB gave us Souter though. That’s true though. And GHWB did give us some of the worst elements of hte Southern Strategy. Amazes me that it happened in my lifetime. Granted I was in diapers then but the fact that he not only ran but got away with running those ads. Agh. I still do respect him more than most Republicans but that’s because of HW’s Law of Political Relativity- that one looks better when you look at his successors. His son on a smaller level follows the same rule.

313 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 2:43:55pm
314 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 2:45:02pm

re: #286 Kragar

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Why do the Stormtroopers bother with that armor other than as a fashion statement? In the first three movies they went down like poleaxed steers when hit with anything.

315 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 2:45:10pm

re: #301 EPR-radar

Especially from somebody that would scream like a stuck pig at every action of state-level government if Democrats were in charge.

I find it simplifies life to assume hypocrisy and bad faith from conservatives, said prejudice to be revised if contrary evidence comes in, of course.

I think it’s a combination of hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness, combined with a completely internalized ‘Ends Justify The Means’ worldview.

316 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:45:32pm

re: #307 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Or the even more fantastical: “They should start their own businesses.”

Yes, I remember Mitt. Borrow money from your parents and start your own business. That was such a Mitt thing to say. Well Mitt, I gladly would but my parents need the money to pay their bills and to help my other siblings out. We can’t all have been born to privilege like you but somehow Obama was the jerk for saying that “You didn’t build that alone.”

317 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 2:45:41pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

Right, I would be voting against that guy if he were my direct kin but you know somehow it’s racists for liberals to be against people who are nuts. They pull the same crap everytime they actually have a racial minority conservative- YOU LIBERALS ARE RACIST FOR OPPOSING HIM. I didn’t see the results but I imagine most African American South Carolinians voted against him but then again I bet Loesch like pretty much every conservative I’ve seen thinks African Americans are too stupid to know what’s good for them.

You probably don’t want to get me started on how Tim Scott got elected to the House. My thoughts border on conspiracy theory (but sometimes they ARE out to get you), but in brief, our Democratic candidate that year 2010 (same year that Alvin Greene was our Sen. candidate against DeMint) was Ben Frasier, described by the Charleston City Paper in 2008 thusly:

“In this political insane asylum, a black man named Ben Frasier has run for Congress nine times in the First Congressional District, calling himself a Democrat, while defending the Confederate flag atop the Statehouse, challenging a woman’s right to abortion, and saying gays should be kept out of the military and prayer should be kept in public schools. Before he was a perennial congressional candidate, he was an aide to segregationist Congressman L. Mendel Rivers. He has forced more serious and more electable candidates to face him in primaries. He has forced the party to pay for those primaries, yet he has never campaigned seriously, let alone been victorious in one of those primaries”

In 2008, his opponent, Linda Ketner was an openly gay woman (remember, this is South Carolina), and she beat him soundly 65.15% to 34.85%. So when he ran in 2010 it was his ELEVENTH time. His opponent in 2010 was a retired Air Force pilot, Robert Burton, who Ketner recommended for the run.

I analyzed precinct by precinct numbers, and they did not add up. Frasier raised his vote total in Charleston county by about 60% in 2 years; in Berkely, he more than TRIPLED his vote count (and the total vote count more than doubled); in Dorchester, he more than QUADRUPLED the count (and the total vote count more than doubled).

Not saying there were shenanigans (but there were definitely shenanigans) but having a black Democrat as the candidate allowed the Republicans to vote for a black candidate who was NOT a Democrat because they had no other choice.

318 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 2:45:44pm

re: #307 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Or the even more fantastical: “They should start their own businesses.”

“Borrow money from your parents!!!11!!”

319 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 2:45:44pm

re: #314 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Why do the Stormtroopers bother with that armor other than as a fashion statement? In the first three movies they went down like poleaxed steers when hit with anything.

And if they’re clones, how come they come in different sizes

320 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:46:14pm

re: #313 Kragar

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Elderly couples who may wish to marry, get bent. And tough shit if one of you is fertile. What a joke.

321 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 2:46:15pm

re: #313 Kragar

Man, I wonder how we all totally missed the part where you had to check on your marriage license that you intended to have children, and they wouldn’t issue one if you didn’t.

322 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 2:48:17pm

re: #321 klystron

Man, I wonder how we all totally missed the part where you had to check on your marriage license that you intended to have children, and they wouldn’t issue one if you didn’t.

So, now your marriage is invalid and you’ll have to pay back any taxes you avoided by filing as married.

323 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 2:49:45pm

re: #311 Blind Frog Ebola White

They can just borrow $20,000 from their parents!

No, no, no. You don’t borrow $20K from your parents, you present a prospectus showing how it’s going to be a good investment and that they’ll get a 30% return on their money—which they never get, nor do they get their original investment, as you file bankruptcy.

324 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 2:49:53pm

re: #314 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Why do the Stormtroopers bother with that armor other than as a fashion statement? In the first three movies they went down like poleaxed steers when hit with anything.

In the RPG, it actually was able to absorb blaster fire, plus served as an environment suit, protecting the wearer from heat/cold, toxic atmospheres, and other hazards, as well as providing communications and other data to the squad leaders.

325 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:50:41pm

the other stupid thing is for every start up business that succeeds, there’s plenty that fails. So even if you could borrow money from your folks, you could very well fail and be in even greater debt than what you started. My father had his own business briefly and it nearly ruined him. My mom’s stable federal job really helped us out quite a bit. Plus some of us just don’t have business acumen. I am not an entrepreneurial type. It’s just not who I am. But leave it to someone like Mitt who’s had a free ride his whole life to tell you that success is as simple as borrowing money from your folks.

326 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 2:51:06pm

re: #322 Blind Frog Ebola White

So, now your marriage is invalid and you’ll have to pay back any taxes you avoided by filing as married.

Actually, I’d get money back. >.>

327 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 2:51:12pm

re: #324 Kragar

In the RPG, it actually was able to absorb blaster fire, plus served as an environment suit, protecting the wearer from heat/cold, toxic atmospheres, and other hazards, as well as providing communications and other data to the squad leaders.

Never played the RPG. Loves me some “Tie Fighter” to this day.

328 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 2:51:17pm

re: #313 Kragar

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I’m tempted at this point to call for a referendum banning post-menopausal women, men with vasectomies, and anyone infertile from marrying, not to mention dissolving the marriages of any couple who have tried and failed to conceive, because by that logic there should be no Constitutional hurdles for such a law.

329 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 2:52:04pm

re: #326 klystron

Actually, I’d get money back. >.>

But I bet hubster would have to pay a bit.

330 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 2:53:08pm

re: #324 Kragar

In the RPG, it actually was able to absorb blaster fire, plus served as an environment suit, protecting the wearer from heat/cold, toxic atmospheres, and other hazards, as well as providing communications and other data to the squad leaders.

Yeah, outside of the films, the Empire wasn’t a pushover. It’s why, at least in the EU, they kept fighting even after the Rebels had declared themselves the victors and established a new Republic.

331 De Kolta Chair  Nov 6, 2014 2:53:22pm

re: #314 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Why do the Stormtroopers bother with that armor other than as a fashion statement? In the first three movies they went down like poleaxed steers when hit with anything.

But these stormtroopers look like Iron Man! How cool is that?

(Dudebro font in lieu of fanboy font, or would that be redundant?)

332 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 2:53:31pm

re: #329 Blind Frog Ebola White

But I bet hubster would have to pay a bit.

Quite possible.

Speaking of which.

Four years today. :)

333 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 2:53:41pm

Silk Road 2.0 suspect called ‘severe flight risk,’ said by prosecutor to have admitted ‘to everything’ - @NBCNews
read more on nbcnews.com

334 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 2:53:49pm

re: #327 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Never played the RPG. Loves me some “Tie Fighter” to this day.

The old West End Games RPG was the bomb, especially if you used the alien design rules. I had a 8ft tall humanoid bear who thought he was a Jedi because he had massive bonuses on his “intimidate” skill

335 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 2:54:07pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

Years back, a friend of mine received a very substantial out-of-the-blue inheritance. She suddenly became a fount of wisdom on all things financial, including how to make something of yourself.

336 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 6, 2014 2:54:44pm

Question for our old school (or well educated ) photogs. Since Exposure Value can infer exposure/aperture settings, how might one take meta data from some of the best images and get the EV and luminance? Same math but reversed. Exposure, aperture and ISO should do it I think.

337 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 2:55:47pm

HAHAHA so clueless, this guy just posted a link to some Koch-tool just minutes before this

338 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 2:56:55pm

I will admit, I was a bit disappointed when the Game Master said I could not specialize in “Stormtrooper” as a melee weapon skill.

339 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 2:57:30pm

re: #332 klystron

Quite possible.

Speaking of which.

Four years today. :)

Awwwww!

340 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:57:48pm

re: #335 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Years back, a friend of mine received a very substantial out-of-the-blue inheritance. She suddenly became a fount of wisdom on all things financial, including how to make something of yourself.

Those are the worst. But yeah, I mean, I just get tired of wealthy types thumbing their noses and acting like “Well you could start a business” or “Just get a job.” Cue the excellent Charlie Day job image meme that I’ve been wearing on my back since graduation haha.

341 Jenner7  Nov 6, 2014 2:58:53pm

re: #332 klystron

Happy Anniversary!

342 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 2:59:35pm

But anyhow I believe Mitt cited the founder of Jimmy Johns for that borrow money from your folks thing. Only thing is JJ founder already had wealthy parents that could afford to loan him money. No way my parents would be able to loan me 20K just like that. It’s the old born on third thinking you hit a triple thing that was once said about George H.W Bush.

343 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:00:05pm

re: #335 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Years back, a friend of mine received a very substantial out-of-the-blue inheritance. She suddenly became a fount of wisdom on all things financial, including how to make something of yourself.

First, choose your grandparents carefully.

Then get yourself named after the rich, childless aunt or uncle.

Next, don’t ever do anything to piss him/her off.

Finally, outlive him/her.

344 De Kolta Chair  Nov 6, 2014 3:00:37pm

In the GOP dictionary low voter turnout is defined as a mandate.

345 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:01:05pm

re: #343 Blind Frog Ebola White

First, choose your grandparents carefully.

Then get yourself named after the rich, childless aunt or uncle.

Next, don’t ever do anything to piss him/her off.

Finally, outlive him/her.

Maybe Uncle Scrooge MacDuck will adopt me. It doesn’t matter that I’m not an animated duck. We have a common ancestor from some years back.

346 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:01:10pm

re: #344 De Kolta Chair

In the GOP dictionary, low turnout is defined as a mandate.

High turnout, OTOH, is Voter Fraud.

347 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 3:01:14pm

re: #341 Jenner7

Happy Anniversary!

I don’t know what it says that both he and I had to look up the exact date on the calendar.

It’s sometime in the first week of November, who needs to be more specific than that? It was a Saturday when we got married…

348 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:01:44pm

re: #344 De Kolta Chair

In the GOP dictionary low turnout is defined as a mandate.

But Obama being the first president to win over 50% of the vote twice since Ronnie means “We get to obstruct whenever we feel like it.”

349 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:02:06pm

re: #345 HappyWarrior

Maybe Uncle Scrooge MacDuck will adopt me. It doesn’t matter that I’m not an animated duck. We have a common ancestor from some years back.

Well, I had an uncle who could become quite animated at times, and he was a banker, but he had kids, so I’m out of luck.

350 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 3:03:02pm

re: #344 De Kolta Chair

In the GOP dictionary low voter turnout is defined as a mandate.

Which is ironic, considering how many conservatives are strongly against “man dates”

351 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:03:33pm

re: #349 Blind Frog Ebola White

Well, I had an uncle who could become quite animated at times, and he was a banker, but he had kids, so I’m out of luck.

Damn. I have an uncle who’s a bartender. I guess that counts for something.

352 De Kolta Chair  Nov 6, 2014 3:06:46pm

re: #332 klystron

Quite possible.

Speaking of which.

Four years today. :)

Congrats. Very Seriously impressive calves btw.

353 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:06:56pm

I honestly would like to go one election cycle without a GOP candidate calling those who aren’t wealthy moochers who are just taking from the rest of us along with the idolization of the super wealthy. I am not some fire breathing radical who hates the super wealthy. I only resent the idea that we’re supposed to worship these people and consider them “providers” when many of them are happy to remove jobs via layoffs if they think it will mean a little more for them.

354 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 3:07:13pm

re: #352 De Kolta Chair

Congrats. Very impressive calves btw.

He mountain-biked quite a bit in preparation for the wedding. ;)

355 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:07:41pm

re: #332 klystron

Quite possible.

Speaking of which.

Four years today. :)

Congrats. Looks like it was a nice ceremony. He’s a lucky guy.

356 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 3:10:14pm

People really are becoming wage slaves in this country.

Kmart Workers Have To Come To Work Before Dawn On Thanksgiving

thinkprogress.org

Personally, I always boycott Black Friday (and now, Black Thursday). But tens of millions of people will turn out, having not a care for people just like themselves who must give up holidays and family time to serve them.

It sucks.

357 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:11:23pm

re: #356 Justanotherhuman

People really are becoming wage slaves in this country.

Kmart Workers Have To Come To Work Before Dawn On Thanksgiving

thinkprogress.org

Personally, I always boycott Black Friday (and now, Black Thursday). But tens of millions of people will turn out, having not a care for people just like themselves who must give up holidays and family time to serve them.

It sucks.

Family values types who freak out over gay couples marrying won’t bat an eye about this. So shocked.

358 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 3:15:28pm

re: #357 HappyWarrior

Family values types who freak out over gay couples marrying won’t bat an eye about this. So shocked.

Or rather, they’ll pay some lip service to the fact that it’s bad, but then go shopping.

359 goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2014 3:16:21pm
360 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 3:16:26pm

re: #358 klystron

Or rather, they’ll pay some lip service to the fact that it’s bad, but then go shopping.

“They should get better jobs.”

361 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:17:09pm

re: #358 klystron

Or rather, they’ll pay some lip service to the fact that it’s bad, but then go shopping.

I doubt they even would bat an eyelash honestly. I mean we see how sympathetic they are to workers who want to increase the minimum wage.

362 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:17:54pm

re: #360 Kragar

“They should get better jobs.”

Yep. or some crap about how they haven’t been “faithful” enough and that’s why they’re stuck working retail. Empathy never a strong suit of the family value fundie type.

363 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:18:05pm

re: #359 goddamnedfrank

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That’s why we waited until the South was ready to accept desegregation and interracial marriage.
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364 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:19:28pm

re: #361 HappyWarrior

I doubt they even would bat an eyelash honestly. I mean we see how sympathetic they are to workers who want to increase the minimum wage.

I figure it will break down into two camps. One will say, “They should get better jobs”, and the other will say, “Lib’rals who complain about this are trying to take money out of workers’ pockets!”

365 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 3:19:31pm
366 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 3:19:50pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

I honestly would like to go one election cycle without a GOP candidate calling those who aren’t wealthy moochers who are just taking from the rest of us along with the idolization of the super wealthy. I am not some fire breathing radical who hates the super wealthy. I only resent the idea that we’re supposed to worship these people and consider them “providers” when many of them are happy to remove jobs via layoffs if they think it will mean a little more for them.

As they are human beings, I don’t hate them, either. But I absolutely despise their greedy treatment of working people and theft of wages from those who make the business machine run and increase their wealth.

It’s really become a sickness, and they are the monied “royalty” in a democracy such as ours. It’s also why I remain a committed socialist in my political thinking.

367 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:20:54pm

re: #363 Blind Frog Ebola White

That’s why we waited until the South was ready to accept desegregation and interracial marriage.
///

Seriously, there are some things that just shouldn’t be settled over votes. And that issue is one of them. It’s an annoying tactic because it makes them appear to sound more small letter d- democratic and that it’s the judiciary being tyrannical but to me it’s simple that there are certainl things that just shouldn’t be up to the electorate.

368 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 3:21:32pm

re: #332 klystron

Quite possible.

Speaking of which.

Four years today. :)

Happy Anniversary. That is such a beautiful picture. Makes me think of Kate Winslett.

369 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:22:17pm

re: #366 Justanotherhuman

As they are human beings, I don’t hate them, either. But I absolutely despise their greedy treatment of working people and theft of wages from those who make the business machine run and increase their wealth.

It’s really become a sickness, and they are the monied “royalty” in a democracy such as ours. It’s also why I remain a committed socialist in my political thinking.

Well not every very wealthy person is greedy towards working people. The Costco CEO for instance. But I feel ya the rest of the way totally. I am just tired of being otld because I favor reasonable tax rates on the very rich that it means “I’m jealous and I hate the wealthy” when that’s just a diversionary lie.

370 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:22:35pm

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Seriously, there are some things that just shouldn’t be settled over votes. And that issue is one of them. It’s an annoying tactic because it makes them appear to sound more small letter d- democratic and that it’s the judiciary being tyrannical but to me it’s simple that there are certainl things that just shouldn’t be up to the electorate.

They insist constantly that THEIR rights are not subject to majority vote, but at the same time insist that everyone else must have their rights ratified by the majority.

371 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:22:39pm

re: #364 Blind Frog Ebola White

I figure it will break down into two camps. One will say, “They should get better jobs”, and the other will say, “Lib’rals who complain about this are trying to take money out of workers’ pockets!”

Yep good call.

372 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 3:22:43pm
373 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:22:54pm

re: #370 Blind Frog Ebola White

They insist constantly that THEIR rights are not subject to majority vote, but at the same time insist that everyone else must have their rights ratified by the majority.

Precisely.

374 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:23:26pm

Women should have waited until suffrage was approved by all the states voters.

375 goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2014 3:24:27pm

re: #363 Blind Frog Ebola White

That’s why we waited until the South was ready to accept desegregation and interracial marriage.
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Josh says that the Constitution protects race, except it explicitly only mentions race in the context of the right to vote, nothing else. When pushed he admits he thinks that there was no Constitutional basis for Loving, but insists rather illogically that it’s that or nothing.

Somehow we’re supposed to magically divine the intent of the old, dead, straight white male legislators who authored the 14th Amendment, and use that imaginary supposition to override and completely ignore the plain language bit they actually wrote about “any person.” Because being a “textualist” apparently means ignoring the actual text whenever it’s ideologically convenient.

376 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 3:25:34pm
377 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 3:25:40pm

re: #374 HappyWarrior

Women should have waited until suffrage was approved by all the states voters.

And slavery should have remained in place until the South was ready to give it up. ///

378 goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2014 3:26:05pm
379 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:27:01pm

re: #375 goddamnedfrank

Josh says that the Constitution protects race, except it explicitly only mentions race in the context of the right to vote, nothing else. When pushed he admits he thinks that there was no Constitutional basis for Loving, but insists rather illogically that it’s that or nothing.

Somehow we’re supposed to magically divine the intent of the old, dead, straight white male legislators who authored the 14th Amendment, and use that imaginary supposition to override and completely ignore the plain language bit they actually wrote about “any person.” Because being a “textualist” apparently means ignoring the actual text whenever it’s ideologically convenient.

Originalism I’ve said many times is a sham philosophy. Unless you’re a medium. We seem to have a lot of mediums that double as judges in right wing circles. I jest of course but this whole thing is such a sham. Remember when they tried to repeal the part of the 14th that gives birthright citizenship to children of immigrants because they thought the writers of the law did not intend for that. Because you know there was no children of immigrants then. Hell the country was even more percentage wise foreign born back then but it was foreign born whites by and large then so of course they don’t look at that.

380 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:27:40pm

re: #366 Justanotherhuman

As they are human beings, I don’t hate them, either. But I absolutely despise their greedy treatment of working people and theft of wages from those who make the business machine run and increase their wealth.

It’s really become a sickness, and they are the monied “royalty” in a democracy such as ours. It’s also why I remain a committed socialist in my political thinking.

So much of it comes from adopting Capitalism as a religion, instead of seeing it as a TOOL that a society can use to increase wealth. And I’m dead serious about calling it a religion.

381 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 3:28:04pm

CA and AK are very aware of it.

382 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:28:35pm

re: #380 Blind Frog Ebola White

So much of it comes from adopting Capitalism as a religion, instead of seeing it as a TOOL that a society can use to increase wealth. And I’m dead serious about calling it a religion.

You’re not off. Randian objectivism is definitely a religion and Atlas Shrugged is definitely said religion’s Holy Book.

383 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 3:29:24pm

re: #380 Blind Frog Ebola White

So much of it comes from adopting Capitalism as a religion, instead of seeing it as a TOOL that a society can use to increase wealth. And I’m dead serious about calling it a religion.

Which is why I’m not a communist, either.

384 blueraven  Nov 6, 2014 3:29:41pm

Denton TX votes for ban on Fracking. But will it last?
They were allowing wells 200 ft from schools and houses.

In a state where the oil and gas industry is king, Denton on Tuesday was poised to become the first city in Texas to ban hydraulic fracturing as voters approved a grassroots initiative against the controversial drilling method.

In unofficial results, 58.6 percent of voters in this college town of 123,000 had cast ballots for an ordinance that will drastically restrict drillers’ attempts to tap the rich natural gas reserves within the city limits. Calling the ordinance unconstitutional, state and industry officials have pledged to contest it in court and state lawmakers have said they may pass legislation to block it.

Read more here: star-telegram.com

385 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 3:30:34pm

re: #382 HappyWarrior

You’re not off. Randian objectivism is definitely a religion and Atlas Shrugged is definitely said religion’s Holy Book.

Ayn Rand was pretty simple minded, if you think about it. And reactionary.

386 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:30:34pm

I am frankly a little bit of socialist and capitalist. I am humble to admit that some things are simply better off public and some things are better off private.

387 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:30:58pm

re: #375 goddamnedfrank

Josh says that the Constitution protects race, except it explicitly only mentions race in the context of the right to vote, nothing else. When pushed he admits he thinks that there was no Constitutional basis for Loving, but insists rather illogically that it’s that or nothing.

Somehow we’re supposed to magically divine the intent of the old, dead, straight white male legislators who authored the 14th Amendment, and use that imaginary supposition to override and completely ignore the plain language bit they actually wrote about “any person.” Because being a “textualist” apparently means ignoring the actual text whenever it’s ideologically convenient.

Oh, I’ve seen that line of argument - that the Constitution doesn’t allow Slavery, and if you think it does, you’re mistaken. My response was, “Then why did we need to amend the Constitution to outlaw Slavery?”

But beyond that, how is it that the people who WROTE the goddam thing, and who owned slaves - and continued owning them after ratification - wrote something which did not permit slavery? In what universe does that make any damned sense?

388 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:31:14pm

re: #385 Justanotherhuman

Ayn Rand was pretty simple minded, if you think about it. And reactionary.

Incredibly reactionary. Truly a miserable bigot too- her views on Native Americans are disgusting especially.

389 b_sharp  Nov 6, 2014 3:31:17pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

I am frankly a little bit of socialist and capitalist. I am humble to admit that some things are simply better off private and some things are better off private.

More people should be that pragmatic.

390 goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2014 3:32:33pm

re: #379 HappyWarrior

Originalism I’ve said many times is a sham philosophy. Unless you’re a medium.

I actually haven no problem at all conceding that the people who wrote the 14th Amendment never, ever intended for it to cover same sex marriage. I’m quite sure they didn’t.

I also don’t give a fuck. They’re dead and they wrote a rule that, as long as one considers gays to be persons, explicitly and unequivocally does cover it. If they wanted their primitive bullshit prejudices to remain enshrined in law they should have done a better job of legislating that shit.

391 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:32:49pm

re: #387 Blind Frog Ebola White

Oh, I’ve seen that line of argument - that the Constitution doesn’t allow Slavery, and if you think it does, you’re mistaken. My response was, “Then why did we need to amend the Constitution to outlaw Slavery?”

But beyond that, how is it that the people who WROTE the goddam thing, and who owned slaves - and continued owning them after ratification - wrote something which did not permit slavery? In what universe does that make any damned sense?

I loved that “scholar” Michelle Bachmann telling us that the Founders intended to abolish slavery. Or the other good one that “Christians” ended slavery. Plenty of Christians fighting to keep it too. Lincoln for that matter was very non religious by that day’s standards.

392 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:33:39pm

re: #390 goddamnedfrank

I actually haven no problem at all conceding that the people who wrote the 14th Amendment never, ever intended for it to cover same sex marriage. I’m quite sure they didn’t.

I also don’t give a fuck. They’re dead and they wrote a rule that, as long as one considers gays to be persons, explicitly and unequivocally does cover it. If they wanted their primitive bullshit prejudices to remain enshrined in law they should have done a better job of legislating that shit.

Right. Exactly. Well here’s the other catch. Many of them don’t consider gays to be persons. A lot of them see gays as demons.

393 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 3:33:42pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

I am frankly a little bit of socialist and capitalist. I am humble to admit that some things are simply better off private and some things are better off private.

Shouldn’t one of those “privates” be public? Heh.

394 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:35:31pm

re: #389 b_sharp

More people should be that pragmatic.

Most people are but very few admit it. It’s either you’re a freedom loving capitalist or a freedom hating commie or on the other shoe a capitalist pig or a defender of the people! Our disagreements in this and other countries really have never been about capitalism versus communism. It’s been about the degree and I resent the living hell of the right for making it the former.

395 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:35:54pm

re: #393 BeachDem

Shouldn’t one of those “privates” be public? Heh.

Yeah, sorry had to get up early for a dental appointment today. Gonna edit!

396 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:36:19pm

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397 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 3:37:32pm

re: #395 HappyWarrior

I was just pulling your chain—I knew what you meant to say. And I agree with your wholeheartedly.

398 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:38:01pm

re: #397 BeachDem

I was just pulling your chain—I knew what you meant to say. And I agree with your wholeheartedly.

It’s all good. I appreciate my errors getting called out because I think before I type often.

399 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:39:05pm

re: #391 HappyWarrior

I loved that “scholar” Michelle Bachmann telling us that the Founders intended to abolish slavery. Or the other good one that “Christians” ended slavery. Plenty of Christians fighting to keep it too. Lincoln for that matter was very non religious by that day’s standards.

Yeah, I remember that. That was a hoot and a half. “But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.” It encapsulates the self-deception of Wingnuts.

400 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 3:39:17pm
401 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 3:40:24pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Obama acting on an issue that people agree with him on, “playing with matches” but Boehner and his gang of dicks trying to repeal ACA again and again, just gine, seriously who does that fuck think he’s fooling with this horseshit.

Look at it this way. It got the GOP the largest majority in the House in the last 80 years.

Times like this really make me wish I had been born to immigrant parents, because then it would be easy to return to Europe and claim citizenship. Being second generation, that door is closed.

402 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:41:38pm

re: #399 Blind Frog Ebola White

Yeah, I remember that. That was a hoot and a half. “But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.” It encapsulates the self-deception of Wingnuts.

My first exposure to her was her trying to blame FDR and the Democrats for a tariff sponsored by two Republicans and signed by Hoover. I mean not the worst error ever in politics mind you but she showed to me that day how big a hack she was. And then she said that and then her other gem that “Slavery wasn’t so bad for African American families.” Man I am glad she’s gone from Congress. I know we got some new nutters in her stead but I won’t miss her Margie Gunderson’s stupid twin voice and her constantly whining about Obama even though she offers no real solutions.

403 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 3:41:39pm

re: #156 makeitstop

My FB Wingnuts are making noises to the effect that if Obama vetoes any legislation, Congress will impeach him for it.

Now, I realize that they’re dumb. But could they possibly be that dumb?

I predicted that yesterday, and I wasn’t making a joke.

404 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 3:42:37pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

I am frankly a little bit of socialist and capitalist. I am humble to admit that some things are simply better off private and some things are better off private.

Well, I do believe that people have a right to own property, including their own businesses. I also think people should be able to unionize if they wish, and that companies should not be allowed become as powerful as we’ve seen happen over the last 50 or so years. That kind of power is disruptive to the democratic process, so more correctly, I’m more of a social democrat/democratic socialist. I also think, though, that govt has a role in helping those who are unable to help themselves, children, the elderly, the disabled, the unemployed, when it becomes necessary and however it becomes necessary, either directly or through tax relief.

405 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:42:42pm

re: #401 Skip Intro

Look at it this way. It got the GOP the largest majority in the House in the last 80 years.

Times like this really make me wish I had been born to immigrant parents, because then it would be easy to return to Europe and claim citizenship. Being second generation, that door is closed.

You got any Irish grandparents? You can claim citizenship if you got that. Or you could meet a Brit like two of my cousins did and move over there. But yeah it’s frustrating. But Europe has its own problems.

406 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 3:42:57pm

re: #401 Skip Intro

Look at it this way. It got the GOP the largest majority in the House in the last 80 years.

Times like this really make me wish I had been born to immigrant parents, because then it would be easy to return to Europe and claim citizenship. Being second generation, that door is closed.

Japan is taking back anyone of Japanese ancestry IIRC.

407 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:44:07pm

re: #404 Justanotherhuman

Well, I do believe that people have a right to own property, including their own businesses. I also think people should be able to unionize if they wish, and that companies should not be allowed become as powerful as we’ve seen happen over the last 50 or so years. That kind of power is disruptive to the democratic process, so more correctly, I’m more of a social democrat/democratic socialist. I also think, though, that govt has a role in helping those who are unable to help themselves, children, the elderly, the disabled, the unemployed, when it becomes necessary and however it becomes necessary, either directly or through tax relief.

Right, that’s pretty standard. I guess I was kind of mocking the people who describe themselves as freedom loving capitalists. I was also mocking the more far left types (no one here since I’d say this is a center-left crowd) who rage about all capitalism being the same as the right’s vision of capitalism.

408 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:48:16pm

re: #403 Skip Intro

I predicted that yesterday, and I wasn’t making a joke.

They really, truly have no idea of consequence. Anything that stands in the way of what they want is, by definition, illegitimate.

409 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 3:49:16pm

re: #370 Blind Frog Ebola White

They insist constantly that THEIR rights are not subject to majority vote, but at the same time insist that everyone else must have their rights ratified by the majority.

What constitutes their rights expands each day. They insist not just on their rights under the law, they now insist that they have the right to make others act in accordance with the religious beliefs of of the rights-insisters. Inasmuch as the religious beliefs of those who insist thus are conveyed to them by people with their own agendas we may well be the envy of the ayatollahs before mid-century.

410 TedStriker  Nov 6, 2014 3:50:21pm

re: #393 BeachDem

Shouldn’t one of those “privates” be public? Heh.

I wouldn’t like my “privates” to be “public”, thank you very much…

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411 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 3:50:23pm

BTW, your Master has spoken…

Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook forced users to install Messenger app because ‘messaging is one of the few things that people actually do more than social networking’ - @Recode
read more on recode.net

412 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:51:23pm

What troubles me is this increasing idea of “religious freedom” being the right to deny someone a service because you deem them sinful. I’m sorry that’s not how religious freedom works. Religious freedom is your ability to go to the church of your choosing and not have to pay taxes for someone else’s church. It’s not your ability to have a service that you provide and then deny it .

413 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:51:55pm

re: #409 Higgs Boson’s Mate

What constitutes their rights expands each day. They insist not just on their rights under the law, they now insist that they have the right to make others act in accordance with the religious beliefs of of the rights-insisters. Inasmuch as the religious beliefs of those who insist thus are conveyed to them by people with their own agendas we may well be the envy of the ayatollahs before mid-century.

They believe it’s their right because it always has been, effectively. So they claim their rights are being threatened. In fact it’s their PREROGATIVES that are being threatened, but there’s no reason why their prerogatives should override someone else’s rights.

414 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 3:52:07pm
415 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 3:52:50pm

re: #410 TedStriker

I wouldn’t like my “privates” to be “public”, thank you very much…

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Oh, the agony!
Oh, the shame!
To make my privates public for a game?

416 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:52:58pm

re: #410 TedStriker

I wouldn’t like my “privates” to be “public”, thank you very much…

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I think I can say without fear of contradiction that we are all in agreement on that.

417 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 3:53:56pm

re: #270 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Commenting from Southern California here. Please be good enough to tell me what “raining” means.

I think we had some here a week ago, but then it got so hot again that it all evaporated so you’d never know it happened.

418 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:54:24pm

re: #414 Kragar

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And I thought “Pumpkin Spice” was the one with the round face and bad spray-on tan.

419 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:56:22pm

re: #414 Kragar

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See point about gays not being people and see other previous points about fundies being whacked out shits.

420 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:56:28pm

re: #414 Kragar

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Alternatively - “No, not everyone’s, Pastor. Just yours.”

421 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 3:56:59pm

re: #418 Blind Frog Ebola White

And I thought “Pumpkin Spice” was the one with the round face and bad spray-on tan.

No, that’s Boehner’s British niece that was briefly the 5th Spice Girl.

422 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 3:58:18pm

re: #421 HappyWarrior

No, that’s Boehner’s British niece that was briefly the 5th Spice Girl.

(Psst - That’s kinda what I meant. Musta typed too obscurely)

423 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 4:03:21pm

re: #405 HappyWarrior

Nope, German.

Just as well, I guess. I’ve never been able to learn the language.

424 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 4:03:36pm

re: #413 Blind Frog Ebola White

In fact it’s their PREROGATIVES that are being threatened, but there’s no reason why their prerogatives should override someone else’s rights.

Not when those prerogatives were granted by the lord above.

425 Carl LaFong  Nov 6, 2014 4:04:27pm

426 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 4:04:42pm

re: #424 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Not when those prerogatives were granted by the lord above.

IF GOD HAD MEANT FOR GAYS TO GET MARRIED, HE WOULDN’T HAVE MADE ME SO BIGOTED!!!

427 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 4:05:14pm
428 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 4:05:55pm

re: #426 Blind Frog Ebola White

My mother tried to make me a gay, but she ran out of yarn.

429 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 4:08:31pm

re: #420 Blind Frog Ebola White

Alternatively - “No, not everyone’s, Pastor. Just yours.”

“I’ve been under the impression I was getting extra virgin semen in my lattes, but sodomite semen? That just goes too far.”

430 b_sharp  Nov 6, 2014 4:11:01pm

re: #425 Carl LaFong

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Now what is the denier trying to say?

431 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 4:12:29pm

re: #332 klystron

Quite possible.

Speaking of which.

Four years today. :)

Happy Anniversary!

Today is also my youngest son’s anniversary, married to his lovely li’l Southern belle for 6 years. They have 3 girls (a 4-year-old & 1-year-old twins)

432 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 4:16:04pm

re: #356 Justanotherhuman

People really are becoming wage slaves in this country.

Kmart Workers Have To Come To Work Before Dawn On Thanksgiving

thinkprogress.org

Personally, I always boycott Black Friday (and now, Black Thursday). But tens of millions of people will turn out, having not a care for people just like themselves who must give up holidays and family time to serve them.

It sucks.

Kmart is going down the toilet, flushed away by the Ayn-Rand-worshipping CEO.

433 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 4:17:32pm

Listening to “Comfortably Numb” on my grandson’s headphones is absolutely fantastic, esp the orgasmic solo at the end. Along with the Allman Bros jam numbers, they’re my favorite bands, still.

My grandson bought me a Dark Side of the Moon tshirt a couple of weeks ago.

New album out in the next few days: ultimateclassicrock.com

At least it’s Pink Floyd.

434 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2014 4:22:09pm

re: #411 Justanotherhuman

BTW, your Master has spoken…

Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook forced users to install Messenger app because ‘messaging is one of the few things that people actually do more than social networking’ - @Recode
read more on recode.net

Fuck you Zuckerberg, I refuse to install your POS messaging app.

435 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 4:22:38pm
436 JustMark  Nov 6, 2014 4:24:36pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

I am frankly a little bit of socialist and capitalist. I am humble to admit that some things are simply better off public and some things are better off private.

Bingo

437 darthstar  Nov 6, 2014 4:28:52pm
438 b_sharp  Nov 6, 2014 4:31:58pm

Wow, is the touchpad in Ubuntu ever sensitive. If I don’t take my finger off perfectly perpendicular it move the pointer.

439 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 6, 2014 4:34:06pm

Had to go do some shopping this evening, so I just picked up some Churches Fried Chicken for dinner. About all I can say is that

1. It’s better than KFC.
2. It’s probably not going to kill me overnight.
3. It’s nowhere near as good as Popeyes

So how hang the denizens of the Lizard Lair this evening?

RBS

440 b_sharp  Nov 6, 2014 4:35:04pm

re: #439 RealityBasedEbola

Had to go do some shopping this evening, so I just picked up some Churches Fried Chicken for dinner. About all I can say is that

1. It’s better than KFC.
2. It’s probably not going to kill me overnight.
3. It’s nowhere near as good as Popeyes

So how hang the denizens of the Lizard Lair this evening?

RBS

To the left as always.

441 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 4:35:18pm

re: #356 Justanotherhuman

People really are becoming wage slaves in this country.

Kmart Workers Have To Come To Work Before Dawn On Thanksgiving

thinkprogress.org

Personally, I always boycott Black Friday (and now, Black Thursday). But tens of millions of people will turn out, having not a care for people just like themselves who must give up holidays and family time to serve them.

It sucks.

I’m most disappointed in and surprised about Kohl’s. They always seemed much more conscious of employee needs. Friends who’ve worked there over the years have said they were treated very well.

442 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 6, 2014 4:37:06pm

re: #440 b_sharp

To the left as always.

I see what you did there….

RBS

443 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 4:39:43pm

re: #365 Kragar

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That was an executive order!!!11!!

444 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 4:41:33pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Anyone tried the chain Which Which yet? Cool concept. It’s one of those Chipotle style like places where you can get something fairly unique each time you go there. Today I had crab and artichoke with avocado, sweet chili sauce, and little fried onion strips.

Tried that place when I was in San Diego a few months back. It was pretty decent.

445 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 6, 2014 4:41:55pm

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

That was an executive order!!!11!!

446 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 4:43:25pm

re: #445 RealityBasedEbola

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The GOP - The party of Lincoln massive property confiscation!
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447 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 4:45:18pm

And back to the South Carolina exit poll for a minute. Wonkette actually explains what’s wrong with it (could have saved myself an hour of research if I’d just waited for Dr. Zoom.)

Or maybe Woodard is the lackwit, since, as Mashable notes, the questions are taken verbatim from the Modern Racism Scale, which is not an exit poll or a public opinion poll in the usual sense. It’s a psychological test used to measure non-conscious biases — in other words, a form typically used in social science research, given to people who know they are participating in a research project — and even in social science, its validity is not universally acknowledged. These four questions are just a small sample of the actual test, which includes a wide range of statements designed to probe racial attitudes…The actual research instrument also is scored on a scale from “strongly agree” to “strongly disagree,” not a simplistic “agree/disagree” choice.

wonkette.com

448 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 4:47:14pm

re: #332 klystron

Quite possible.

Speaking of which.

Four years today. :)

Beautiful photo!

449 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 4:51:35pm

re: #447 BeachDem

And back to the South Carolina exit poll for a minute. Wonkette actually explains what’s wrong with it (could have saved myself an hour of research if I’d just waited for Dr. Zoom.)

Or maybe Woodard is the lackwit, since, as Mashable notes, the questions are taken verbatim from the Modern Racism Scale, which is not an exit poll or a public opinion poll in the usual sense. It’s a psychological test used to measure non-conscious biases — in other words, a form typically used in social science research, given to people who know they are participating in a research project — and even in social science, its validity is not universally acknowledged. These four questions are just a small sample of the actual test, which includes a wide range of statements designed to probe racial attitudes…The actual research instrument also is scored on a scale from “strongly agree” to “strongly disagree,” not a simplistic “agree/disagree” choice.

wonkette.com

I’m still furious at Dem candidates who tried to distance themselves from Pres Obama, giving the press and Rs ammunition to try to take him down even further.

Goddamn it.

450 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 4:52:28pm

re: #425 Carl LaFong

since you like YouTubes so much, here’s one for you:

Youtube Video

451 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 4:54:11pm

re: #439 RealityBasedEbola

Had to go do some shopping this evening, so I just picked up some Churches Fried Chicken for dinner. About all I can say is that

1. It’s better than KFC.
2. It’s probably not going to kill me overnight.
3. It’s nowhere near as good as Popeyes

So how hang the denizens of the Lizard Lair this evening?

RBS

The troll haz arrived in the main thread.

452 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 5:00:45pm

re: #447 BeachDem

And back to the South Carolina exit poll for a minute. Wonkette actually explains what’s wrong with it (could have saved myself an hour of research if I’d just waited for Dr. Zoom.)

wonkette.com

Two Wonkette comments that further point out the idiocy of it:

From the Clemson University website:
“David Woodard has been teaching political science at Clemson University since 1983. Before that he taught at Auburn University for two years. He is the author or co-author of seven books including THE NEW SOUTHERN POLITICS (2013), and RONALD REAGAN: A BIOGRAPHY (2012). In addition he is a political consultant for Republican candidates. Former clients includ: Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC), Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Former Congressman Gresham Barrett (R-SC), Congressman Trey Gowdy (R-SC), and Congressman Jeff Duncan (R-SC).”
Good to know he is unbiased.

And

“Woodard said he was trying to prove that race has no bearing on whether whites vote for political candidates.”

Note that he doesn’t say he was going to “test the hypothesis that race has no bearing on whether whites vote for political candidates.” He was going to prove that it doesn’t.

This is how science works, in Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany. Elsewhere, not so much.

453 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 5:06:10pm

Evening Lizardim. It’s been a rough day in the fish household - our nephew who has been battling leukemia now has a serious infection and is not expected to survive. We’re all basically sitting around the phone at this point. How go things among the lizardfolk on this cold, bleak, cloudy, miserable winter evening?

454 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 5:07:12pm

re: #453 theEbolafishlives

Evening Lizardim. It’s been a rough day in the fish household - our nephew who has been battling leukemia now has a serious infection and is not expected to survive. We’re all basically sitting around the phone at this point. How go things among the lizardfolk on this cold, bleak, cloudy, miserable winter evening?

{{gentle hugs}}

455 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 5:07:46pm

re: #454 Backwoods_Sleuth

{{gentle hugs}}

Seconded.

456 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 5:09:14pm

re: #453 theEbolafishlives

Evening Lizardim. It’s been a rough day in the fish household - our nephew who has been battling leukemia now has a serious infection and is not expected to survive. We’re all basically sitting around the phone at this point. How go things among the lizardfolk on this cold, bleak, cloudy, miserable winter evening?

Oh, no. ((((Fish Family)))

457 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 5:09:32pm

re: #453 theEbolafishlives

Evening Lizardim. It’s been a rough day in the fish household - our nephew who has been battling leukemia now has a serious infection and is not expected to survive. We’re all basically sitting around the phone at this point. How go things among the lizardfolk on this cold, bleak, cloudy, miserable winter evening?

So, so sorry to hear that. Take care of each other well.

458 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 6, 2014 5:10:55pm

re: #453 theEbolafishlives

:( good thoughts going your way.

459 b_sharp  Nov 6, 2014 5:11:27pm

re: #453 theEbolafishlives

Evening Lizardim. It’s been a rough day in the fish household - our nephew who has been battling leukemia now has a serious infection and is not expected to survive. We’re all basically sitting around the phone at this point. How go things among the lizardfolk on this cold, bleak, cloudy, miserable winter evening?

{{{ FIsh folk }}}

460 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 5:13:54pm

Thanks guys. It’s been a stressful week, and that was pretty much the icing on the fail cake. I have a feeling this is going to be yet another hard Christmas.

461 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 5:21:01pm

re: #453 theEbolafishlives

{{{{You and yours}}}}

462 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 6, 2014 5:23:02pm

re: #453 theEbolafishlives

Oh man sorry to hear that. Hugs all ‘round.

463 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 5:23:45pm

Heard something tonight from a grizzled old-time eastern Kentucky guy who voted for Alison Grimes and his explanation for why she lost:

“If she could run away that fast from the President while she was campaigning, she’d likely run away just as fast from us after she was elected.”

#DropMic moment if there ever was one…

464 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 5:24:51pm

re: #463 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heard something tonight from a grizzled old-time eastern Kentucky guy who voted for Alison Grimes and his explanation for why she lost:

#DropMic moment if there ever was one…

Tell it like it is, why don’t you?

465 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 6, 2014 5:26:04pm

On a lighter side, I just sat in a dentist’s chair for 2 hours and spent 2k I barely know how to come up with.

Older teeth, bad genes, damn it my Father,

466 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 5:27:18pm

re: #465 Resident of The United States of Jesus

On a lighter side, I just sat in a dentist’s chair for 2 hours and spent 2k I barely know how to come up with.

Older teeth, bad genes, damn it my Father,

Same problem, but from my mother. Sucks.

467 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 5:27:40pm

re: #464 theEbolafishlives

Tell it like it is, why don’t you?

That’s really what killed her at the polls. People here in Kentucky LIKE their Obamacare (by whatever name they feel comfortable). She couldn’t even support Kynect during the campaign because she was apparently so afraid of Obama cooties.

468 Varek Raith  Nov 6, 2014 5:27:55pm

re: #465 Resident of The United States of Jesus

re: #466 Sionainn

Take this string and rocket.
/

469 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 5:28:16pm

Reading the 6th circuit ruling is like following a playground discussion among toddlers (only not as articulate or sensible.) Did they write it in crayon? While smearing feces on the wall?

For better, for worse, or for more of the same, marriage has long been a social institution defined by relationships between men and women. So long defined, the tradition is measured in millennia, not centuries or decades. So widely shared, the tradition until recently had been adopted by all governments and major religions of the world…

(of course, that’s not necessarily true, but…)

Better in this instance, we think, to allow change through the customary political processes, in which the people, gay and straight alike, become the heroes of their own stories by meeting each other not as adversaries in a court system but as fellow citizens seeking to resolve a new social issue in a fair-minded way.

The dissent on the 6th Circuit ruling pretty much says it all:

The author of the majority opinion has drafted what would make an engrossing TED Talk or, possibly, an introductory lecture in Political Philosophy.

470 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 5:29:03pm

re: #468 Varek Raith

Take this string and rocket.
/

I saw that video. LOL!

471 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 5:29:04pm

ANOTHER CAKE FAIL.
I am never using a Bundt pan again.
I even followed the freaking step by step instructions.

472 Varek Raith  Nov 6, 2014 5:30:07pm

re: #471 Vicious Piebola

ANOTHER CAKE FAIL.
I am never using a Bundt pan again.
I even followed the freaking step by step instructions.

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Bundt cakes can be very tricky.
I’ve never done it without it all going to hell.

473 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 5:30:22pm

re: #471 Vicious Piebola

ANOTHER CAKE FAIL.
I am never using a Bundt pan again.
I even followed the freaking step by step instructions.

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What does it tell you to do to prep it?

474 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 5:30:57pm

re: #471 Vicious Piebola

ANOTHER CAKE FAIL.
I am never using a Bundt pan again.
I even followed the freaking step by step instructions.

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At least you can make perfect PIES.

I do pretty well at bread

We all have our talents. : )

475 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 5:30:59pm

re: #471 Vicious Piebola

ANOTHER CAKE FAIL.
I am never using a Bundt pan again.
I even followed the freaking step by step instructions.

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well, have to admit that a cake smash is MUCH MOHR superior than the annual boob smash.

Whipped cream can only make some things better…

476 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 5:31:34pm

re: #465 Resident of The United States of Jesus

Been looking for you! See upthread for updates on that exit poll.re: #452 BeachDem

re: #194 BeachDem

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

477 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 5:31:42pm

re: #475 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, have to admit that a cake smash is MUCH MOHR superior than the annual boob smash.

Whipped cream can only make some things better…

In either case….
//

478 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 5:32:22pm

Fuck this shit.
I have a sponge cake pan from like 30 years ago that the bottom comes out of. I’m using that from now on.

479 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 5:33:08pm

I saw dopefishlives post and now I feel terrible for complaining about something so trivial. :(

480 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 5:33:27pm

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

481 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 5:34:02pm

re: #479 Vicious Piebola

I saw dopefishlives post and now I feel terrible for complaining about something so trivial. :(

Ha. You know, we all have our tragedies. I, for example, am grumbling and complaining because I blew out an air spring on the Mrs. Fish’s fishmobile and I had to spend some of my nonexistent cash for new air springs.

482 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 5:34:33pm

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

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President Obama’s tweet:

Having lunch w/ @JohnCornyn Friday. Hope he’s pulled his head out of his ass. #notaprayer

483 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 5:34:54pm

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

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Vicious racist.

It’s pretty obvious what they’re all thinking.

484 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 5:37:18pm

re: #482 theEbolafishlives

President Obama’s tweet:

Having lunch w/ @JohnCornyn Friday. Hope he’s pulled his head out of his ass. #notaprayer

heh…
I tweeted that to Cornyn.

485 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 5:37:55pm

re: #484 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…
I tweeted that to Cornyn.

Sometimes I can come up with ‘em.

486 Jenner7  Nov 6, 2014 5:38:51pm

re: #453 theEbolafishlives

So sorry, I’ll be thinking about you and your family….

487 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 5:39:16pm

re: #485 theEbolafishlives

Sometimes I can come up with ‘em.

It was brilliant.
I had to steal it.

488 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 5:39:25pm

Having lunch with Senator Cornyn, hoping he stops acting like the loony right’s waterboy. #Thingslesslikelytohappenthanmartians

489 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 5:40:22pm

re: #453 theEbolafishlives

Evening Lizardim. It’s been a rough day in the fish household - our nephew who has been battling leukemia now has a serious infection and is not expected to survive. We’re all basically sitting around the phone at this point. How go things among the lizardfolk on this cold, bleak, cloudy, miserable winter evening?

I am so sorry. Hold in there. Your family will be in my thoughts tonight.

490 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 5:40:29pm

I ate some of the smashed part.

491 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 6, 2014 5:40:30pm

re: #476 BeachDem

Been looking for you! See upthread for updates on that exit poll.

Thanks for the work. Shocking and so blatantly tells us we are no further than 1964.

Someone on NPR today was talking about Landrieu in LA and the interviewee mentioned Atwater. My ears were like WHA? I didn’t get the gist, but if that fuck and his politicking is being talked about today. Well, that’s something to consider.

492 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 6, 2014 5:40:33pm

re: #471 Vicious Piebola

ANOTHER CAKE FAIL.
I am never using a Bundt pan again.
I even followed the freaking step by step instructions.

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I’ve never had any luck getting a bundt cake out of the pan without it looking like it was done by a band of roving cossacks with their sabers.

RBS

493 Snarknado!  Nov 6, 2014 5:40:56pm

re: #453 theEbolafishlives

{{{fishes}}}

494 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 5:41:48pm

re: #491 Resident of The United States of Jesus

Thanks for the work. Shocking and so blatantly tells us we are no further than 1964.

Someone on NPR today was talking about Landrieu in LA and the interviewee mentioned Atwater. My ears were like WHA? I didn’t get the gist, but if that fuck and his politicking is being talked about today. Well, that’s something to consider.

I think Atwater got brought up because his legacy is still in the South for many a campaign. I definitely felt it with George Allen eight years ago calling that Indian-American kid a macaca.

495 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 5:41:49pm

re: #471 Vicious Piebola

ANOTHER CAKE FAIL.
I am never using a Bundt pan again.
I even followed the freaking step by step instructions.

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Stupid question, but did you grease and flour your pan?

496 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 5:42:08pm

This made me smile.

497 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 5:42:19pm

re: #495 Sionainn

Stupid question, but did you grease and flour your pan?

DUH

498 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 5:42:32pm

re: #490 Vicious Piebola

I ate some of the smashed part.

I’ll bet it was gooood!

499 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 5:42:46pm

re: #496 Vicious Piebola

This made me smile.

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Maybe it’s just the unique combination of stress and bullshit, but I can’t stop laughing. Thank you.

500 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 5:42:50pm

re: #498 Sionainn

I’ll bet it was gooood!

Cranberry walnut pound cake.

501 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 5:43:49pm

re: #496 Vicious Piebola

This made me smile.

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Hey hey just because Virginia nearly elected the Enron lobbyist Bush hatchmet man doesn’t mean we’re in dumbfuckistan. Is that the 2004 electoral map though?

502 Varek Raith  Nov 6, 2014 5:44:00pm

Sometimes, cooking is like this for me;

503 Snarknado!  Nov 6, 2014 5:44:27pm

re: #490 Vicious Piebola

The Oracle says put it upside down on a rack exactly 10 minutes after it comes out of the oven.

Another page says if it sticks, put it back in the oven again for 10 minutes and try again

504 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 5:44:39pm

re: #502 Varek Raith

Sometimes, cooking is like this for me;
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Cooking is always like that for me. I do make a mean Stouffers though.

505 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 5:44:56pm

re: #502 Varek Raith

Sometimes, cooking is like this for me;
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I always thought cooking was easy. Then I went to college and met men who burned ramen. And popcorn. And how the hell do you DO either of those things.

506 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 5:44:56pm

re: #502 Varek Raith

Sometimes, cooking is like this for me;
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I like to say that when I left home I could barely boil water without it sticking to the pan…

507 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 5:44:59pm

re: #500 Vicious Piebola

Cranberry walnut pound cake.

That sounds mouthwateringly awesome!

508 Varek Raith  Nov 6, 2014 5:46:32pm

re: #505 theEbolafishlives

I always thought cooking was easy. Then I went to college and met men who burned ramen. And popcorn. And how the hell do you DO either of those things.

Heh.
I’m not that bad.
It’s mostly baking that goes wrong for me.

509 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 6, 2014 5:46:36pm

re: #469 BeachDem

A striking example of judicial activism.

510 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 5:48:00pm

It’s pretty telling that Boehner is ready to cry about executive action on immigration, a subject people actually agree with the president on but he’s perfectly content to pass another ACA repeal that he knows the president won’t sign. Really Republicans? Why even try with the repeal shit when you know the signer of the law is in office. Oh I get it, satisfying your lunatic base and making Rush Limbaugh and those types is more important than actually governing. Hell America’s most influential conservative (Rush) even admitted today that it’s not about governing, it’s about “stopping” Obama. Really Americans who voted the GOP just because you wanted to “stick” it to Obama rather than any actual principled disagreement with Obama, you’re worse than people who don’t vote. At least people who don’t vote have some sort of principles.

511 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 5:48:10pm

re: #508 Varek Raith

Heh.
I’m not that bad.
It’s mostly baking that goes wrong for me.

I’ve had a couple of instances of dishes gone wrong. I did fried chicken that didn’t quite cook all the way through. I have set my grill on fire 3 times now - I really need to be better about keeping that damn thing cleaned inside.

512 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 5:48:23pm

I have this sponge cake pan where the inside tube just lifts right out. No fancy-shmancy designs but like my bubbie used to say “it gets all smashed up in your stomach anyway”

513 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 5:49:00pm

Mmmm, cranberries. A friend gave me two 30 oz bags of Ocean Spray dried cranberries, and I’ve been making pumpkin bread with them. It tastes like cake even if it’s in loaf form. I have to give them away, though.

I might eat the whole loaf and gain 100 lbs. : )

514 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 6, 2014 5:49:30pm

re: #505 theEbolafishlives

I always thought cooking was easy. Then I went to college and met men who burned ramen. And popcorn. And how the hell do you DO either of those things.

I used to cook really good. Then I got divorced & moved alone. Tried the many times over recipes and totally failed. Lost my mojo somehow. Prob for the best since I don’t need those beautiful cream sauces anymore.

I’m kinda whiny tonight. Forgive.

515 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 6, 2014 5:49:38pm

re: #505 theEbolafishlives

I always thought cooking was easy. Then I went to college and met men who burned ramen. And popcorn. And how the hell do you DO either of those things.

Popcorn is easy to burn…. you’re a poor college student and you don’t want any of those stupid unpopped kernels, so you just keep a cooking. (Don’t ask how I know that).

Raman I can’t understand how one could burn that, other than just walking off and forgetting.

I have a friend, and ex-co-worker that is a bit ADD. He was at his new job, working for Microsoft in Charlotte, and the very first day there, he put a poptart in the microwave to warm it up. (you know, 10 seconds or so). He hit the button and walked off.

Do you know that if you irradiate a poptart long enough, it will burst into flames in the microwave? It also makes a hell of an impression on your new co-workers.

RBS

516 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 5:49:48pm

re: #491 Resident of The United States of Jesus

We almost had his widow, Sally Atwater as Supt. of Education—fortunately, she lost in the Republican primary runoff.

517 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 5:51:45pm

re: #515 RealityBasedEbola

Popcorn is easy to burn…. you’re a poor college student and you don’t want any of those stupid unpopped kernels, so you just keep a cooking. (Don’t ask how I know that).

Raman I can’t understand how one could burn that, other than just walking off and forgetting.

I have a friend, and ex-co-worker that is a bit ADD. He was at his new job, working for Microsoft in Charlotte, and the very first day there, he put a poptart in the microwave to warm it up. (you know, 10 seconds or so). He hit the button and walked off.

Do you know that if you irradiate a poptart long enough, it will burst into flames in the microwave? It also makes a hell of an impression on your new co-workers.

RBS

That “10” probably meant 10 min, not 10 sec. : )

518 Varek Raith  Nov 6, 2014 5:51:50pm

re: #511 theEbolafishlives

I’ve had a couple of instances of dishes gone wrong. I did fried chicken that didn’t quite cook all the way through. I have set my grill on fire 3 times now - I really need to be better about keeping that damn thing cleaned inside.


Hulu Video

519 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 5:53:15pm

re: #505 theEbolafishlives

I always thought cooking was easy. Then I went to college and met men who burned ramen. And popcorn. And how the hell do you DO either of those things.

“hold my beer and watch this…”

520 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 5:54:08pm

re: #518 Varek Raith

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The first time I set my grill on fire, I also almost burned down the house. I learned my lesson on that one REAL quick.

521 Varek Raith  Nov 6, 2014 5:55:00pm

re: #520 theEbolafishlives

The first time I set my grill on fire, I also almost burned down the house. I learned my lesson on that one REAL quick.

Scary.

522 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 5:55:29pm

re: #521 Varek Raith

Scary.

Quite. Especially after having already watched one house in my neighborhood burn to the ground, at least in part due to a propane tank in the garage.

523 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 5:55:42pm

Matt Bissonnette, the former Navy SEAL who wrote a first-hand account of the raid that killed bin Laden, must forfeit $4.5 million to the government for not clearing his book with the Pentagon prior to its publication.

LINK

military.com reports that Bissonnette is also under investigation for revealing classified information and for violating the terms of the non-disclosure agreements that he signed on joining the SEALs and on leaving the service.

524 Justanotherhuman  Nov 6, 2014 5:56:23pm

re: #520 theEbolafishlives

The first time I set my grill on fire, I also almost burned down the house. I learned my lesson on that one REAL quick.

Now you’ve gotten this in my head…

Youtube Video

Keep calm and carry on, Lizards.

Later. : )

525 teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2014 5:56:29pm
526 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 5:56:29pm

re: #519 Backwoods_Sleuth

“hold my beer and watch this…”

And another deep fried turkey incident burns down another house.

527 Jenner7  Nov 6, 2014 5:57:02pm

re: #505 theEbolafishlives

My husband tried to make mac n cheese, from the box. He read the instructions wrong and put 4 cups of milk in it instead of 4 cups of water for boiling.

528 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 5:57:39pm

re: #525 teleskiguy

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Now I imagine Kim Jong Un on skis and I laugh a little. Life is good.

529 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 5:58:05pm

re: #526 Blind Frog Ebola White

And another deep fried turkey incident burns down another house.

My dad had me do the deep fried turkey a few years ago for Thanksgiving. We did it out in the barn, in a wide open space on a concrete floor. I didn’t understand why until we put the bird in, and all of a sudden, everything made sense.

530 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 6, 2014 5:58:58pm

re: #527 Jenner7

My husband tried to make mac n cheese, from the box. He read the instructions wrong and put 4 cups of milk in it instead of 4 cups of water for boiling.

lol ewe

531 goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2014 5:59:10pm

Those two judges on the Sixth Circuit are just begging SCOTUS to smack them down hard:

By creating a status (marriage) and by subsidizing it (e.g., with tax-filing privileges and deductions), the States created an incentive for two people who procreate together to stay together for purposes of rearing offspring. That does not convict the States of irrationality, only of awareness of the biological reality that couples of the same sex do not have children in the same way as couples of opposite sexes and that couples of the same sex do not run the risk of unintended offspring. That explanation, still relevant today, suffices to allow the States to retain authority over an issue they have regulated from the beginning.

Except the dumb-fucks apparently either never read the Windsor decision, or just chose to ignore what it explicitly said about ssm bans causing actual harm to real children:

By this dynamic DOMA under- mines both the public and private significance of state- sanctioned same-sex marriages; for it tells those couples, and all the world, that their otherwise valid marriages are unworthy of federal recognition. This places same-sex couples in an unstable position of being in a second-tier marriage. The differentiation demeans the couple, whose moral and sexual choices the Constitution protects, see Lawrence, 539 U. S. 558, and whose relationship the State has sought to dignify. And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives.

532 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 6:00:00pm

re: #525 teleskiguy

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I just imagined the North Korean GoPro…

Just don’t lean over…

533 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 6, 2014 6:00:05pm

RWC here?

534 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 6:03:08pm

We in the backwoods agree and are heading off to sleep whilst the rain patters soothingly on the metal roof…

niterz!!!

535 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 6:03:43pm

re: #532 Blind Frog Ebola White

I just imagined the North Korean GoPro…

Just don’t lean over…

I thought that they weren’t releasing the compact model until next year.

536 Belafon  Nov 6, 2014 6:07:24pm

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

I cannot stand either of my Senators:

537 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2014 6:08:08pm

re: #529 theEbolafishlives

My dad had me do the deep fried turkey a few years ago for Thanksgiving. We did it out in the barn, in a wide open space on a concrete floor. I didn’t understand why until we put the bird in, and all of a sudden, everything made sense.

I first read the instructions for deep fried turkey in one of Paul Prudhomme’s early cookbooks - how to determine just how much oil you should use, use a rig to lower the turkey into the oil, don’t just drop it in, don’t use a frozen bird, DON’T DO IT INSIDE!

It didn’t really register till I saw Alton Brown and the local fire department do everything wrong as a demonstration. Holy Hannah!

538 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 6:08:15pm

re: #536 Belafon

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

539 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:10:50pm

re: #536 Belafon

I cannot stand either of my Senators:

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Cornyn should be happy that Obama is even willing to meet with him after the shit Cornyn pulls. I am glad that him, McConnell, and Boehner are acting like the voters gave them the keys to the whole car because they’re arrogant sobs who are definitely going to overstep and people will remember why we have only given a GOP presidential candidate over 50% of the vote only once since 1992.

540 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 6:11:09pm

re: #538 theEbolafishlives

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

541 Belafon  Nov 6, 2014 6:11:21pm

re: #538 theEbolafishlives

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

These guys would set you on fire to get people to vote for them.

542 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:12:02pm

re: #541 Belafon

These guys would set you on fire to get people to vote for them.

They’d set you on fire and then tell you that you needed to show more self-reliance if you wanted it put out.

543 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 6:12:49pm

re: #539 HappyWarrior

Cornyn should be happy that Obama is even willing to meet with him after the shit Cornyn pulls. I am glad that him, McConnell, and Boehner are acting like the voters gave them the keys to the whole car because they’re arrogant sobs who are definitely going to overstep and people will remember why we have only given a GOP presidential candidate over 50% of the vote only once since 1992.

I sorta gave up on the American public noticing the sort of dickery the GOP gets up to Tuesday night, when I watched them put a party that had played chicken time and again with our nation’s debt and cost us $24 billion with a temper tantrum into the Senate majority.

544 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 6:13:03pm

re: #541 Belafon

These guys would set you on fire to get people to vote for them.

Oh, they’d love to set me on fire. I’m a heretic, remember. I renounced the right-wing wingnutism of my heritage.

545 b_sharp  Nov 6, 2014 6:13:34pm

re: #478 Vicious Piebola

Fuck this shit.
I have a sponge cake pan from like 30 years ago that the bottom comes out of. I’m using that from now on.

Hey, we have one too.

546 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:18:46pm

re: #543 Targetpractice

I sorta gave up on the American public noticing the sort of dickery the GOP gets up to Tuesday night, when I watched them put a party that had played chicken time and again with our nation’s debt and cost us $24 billion with a temper tantrum into the Senate majority.

I would feel more cynical too but next election is a presidential year. I’ve long given up though on the public having any sort of real memory though. Boggles my mind that they rewarded the party that gave us the shutdown.

547 b_sharp  Nov 6, 2014 6:18:50pm

I was arguing with an anti-LGBT couple on Twitter. After a bit of give and take, one realized I was pro-choice so asked if I supported NAMBLA.

These people couldn’t think if their lives depended on it so their only option is to attack mindlessly.

548 thedopefishlives  Nov 6, 2014 6:21:19pm

Good night, good and gentle people of the lizardoid persuasion. Blessings to you all, and I will keep you updated on the fish-nephew as we learn more.

549 teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2014 6:22:06pm

Please proceed, Doctor.

550 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:22:34pm

re: #547 b_sharp

I was arguing with an anti-LGBT couple on Twitter. After a bit of give and take, one realized I was pro-choice so asked if I supported NAMBLA.

These people couldn’t think if their lives depended on it so their only option is to attack mindlessly.

I’ve come to the conclusion that there are some people you can’t reason with. I’ve realized I can deal with people who are economically right wing primarily more easily than I can social cons. Disagreement on spending and taxes is a lot easier to do so than someone who thinks things like gay people are out to prey on their kids which is increasingly the position since as gay marriage support grows in our country, the opponents IMO grow even more radical. It’s part of why while I once thought compromise admirable(I was once a long time ago supportive of giving all the rights of marriage but calling it civil unions) to someone who now supports SSM all the way without compromise.

551 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:24:11pm

re: #549 teleskiguy

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Please proceed, Doctor.

Will the documentary talk about him using the same welfare programs he now decries and student loan programs that he wants to cut. Carson’s going to be a giant flop as a presidential candidate. I wager to say he’s even more out of touch than his fellow never elected to anything but I think I’ll try my hand at the presidency- Herman Cain.

552 teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2014 6:26:20pm

re: #551 HappyWarrior

Dr. Ben Carson is a shitty politician. He said Obamacare is the worst thing to happen to the United States since slavery.

Go back to neurosurgery you delusional fuck!

553 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:29:30pm

re: #552 teleskiguy

Dr. Ben Carson is a shitty politician. He said Obamacare is the worst thing to happen to the United States since slavery.

Go back to neurosurgery you delusional fuck!

He’s also said that the US right now reminds of Nazi Germany. Someone should ask Dr. Dumbass who the candidates were that ran against Hitler in the 1936 election. Really the guy may know about neurosurgery than I can dream to but on politics and basic reality in American life today, he’s totally delusional and stupid.

554 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 6:31:14pm

Ben Carson: The “Rain Man” Candidate

555 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:31:33pm

Carson’s also in for a rude awakening when he’s not going to be treated like Dr. Awesome by everyone in the GOP electorate that it’s not going to be CPAC where everyone just loves you because you’re spewing anti-Obama hate. That’s the real reason by the way I think along with the money why Palin hasn’t run for anything since she quit on Alaska. She’s smart enough to know that she’ll get scrutiny and that she won’t be able to play the whole “Mean old left is out to get me” card if she’s competing with fellow Republicans.

556 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:34:20pm

Media will treat him with kid gloves though. No one’s going to really press him on his moronic statements about Obamacare. No one’s going to press him why he thinks a bill that’s gotten thousands of Americans insured when they weren’t before is even remotely comparable to the horrors of slavery.

557 jaunte  Nov 6, 2014 6:38:25pm

re: #549 teleskiguy

On the way in to work this morning, (Houston) stopped at a red light, saw an SUV studded with CARSON 2016 stickers.

558 teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2014 6:39:18pm

re: #556 HappyWarrior

Media will treat him with kid gloves though. No one’s going to really press him on his moronic statements about Obamacare. No one’s going to press him why he thinks a bill that’s gotten thousands of Americans insured when they weren’t before is even remotely comparable to the horrors of slavery.

A lot can happen in a two years. Who knows, by that time UpChuck will have fulfilled his promise to turn all MSM journalists into travel agents! Then all the Democratic candidates (and I do mean all of them) will be thoroughly discredited by UpChuck and his Award-Winning Journalist Army™!

559 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:40:45pm

re: #558 teleskiguy

A lot can happen in a two years. Who knows, by that time UpChuck will have fulfilled his promise to turn all MSM journalists into travel agents! Then all the Democratic candidates (and I do mean all of them) will be thoroughly discredited by UpChuck and his Award-Winning Journalist ArmyTM!

Maybe in two years Upchuck will get a job as Chucky from CHild’s Play on Broadway.

560 jaunte  Nov 6, 2014 6:41:43pm
561 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:43:55pm

re: #560 jaunte

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Being wrong tends to be a trend and lashing out at others when that’s pointed out seems to be a trend among conservatives.

562 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 6:46:51pm

re: #557 jaunte

On the way in to work this morning, (Houston) stopped at a red light, saw an SUV studded with CARSON 2016 stickers.

I just saw a Carson 2016 sticker on a car today.

563 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 6:48:32pm

re: #556 HappyWarrior

Media will treat him with kid gloves though. No one’s going to really press him on his moronic statements about Obamacare. No one’s going to press him why he thinks a bill that’s gotten thousands of Americans insured when they weren’t before is even remotely comparable to the horrors of slavery.

And that will differ in which particulars from the way that the media treats any GOP presidential candidate? Remember McCain’s Fall 2008 statement that “The fundamentals of the economy are strong”? Remember the great silence when Mitt Romney refused to release more than the last two years of his tax returns?

564 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:48:47pm

re: #562 Sionainn

I just saw a Carson 2016 sticker on a car today.

Shiver. Though I must say there was a time when a Reagan for president sticker was seen like that.

565 teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2014 6:49:06pm

re: #557 jaunte

On the way in to work this morning, (Houston) stopped at a red light, saw an SUV studded with CARSON 2016 stickers.

In a county where 362,000 people voted for John Cornyn to be Senator again, that doesn’t surprise me.

Note: 667,000 people voted in Harris County, TX for the office of US Senate. Harris County has a population of just over 4 million as of the 2010 census.

Low turnout. Meh.

566 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 6, 2014 6:50:09pm

re: #560 jaunte

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But that can’t be true… All the right wing talk shows keep telling me that liberals are driven by emotions and feelings, and that only conservatives are logical and rational. (that being said, there are some of the left that are as guilty of ‘touchy-feely fuzzy bunny’ thought processes also). I do have to say that anybody spending anytime here would quickly see that this group is a fact-oriented one.

RBS

567 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:50:25pm

re: #563 Higgs Boson’s Mate

And that will differ in which particulars from the way that the media treats any GOP presidential candidate? Remember McCain’s Fall 2008 statement that “The fundamentals of the economy are strong”? Remember the great silence when Mitt Romney refused to release more than the last two years of his tax returns?

Quite true. I still kind of want to now what was in those tax returns. I don’t think we’ll ever know.

568 blueraven  Nov 6, 2014 6:50:30pm

re: #483 Justanotherhuman

Vicious racist.

It’s pretty obvious what they’re all thinking.

Cornyn is my Senator and I despise him, but how is that tweet racist?
Arrogant? possibly. Partisan? definitely, but racist? Not seeing it.

569 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2014 6:50:37pm

I’ve had a lot of thoughts and opinions following the vote this week, I finally compiled them in to a post election essay:

Why I can’t stand American politics in 2000 words or less

570 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 6:51:26pm

I fully expect Carson to be another Palin or Fred Thompson: Much talked about, lots of money shoveled into his pocket, and then failing to actually run or only running long enough to scam the rubes while disappearing long before the first primary debate actually happens.

571 jaunte  Nov 6, 2014 6:51:51pm

“The National Draft Ben Carson for President Committee was formed in August of 2013 by John Philip Sousa, IV”
“…the only living direct descendant of John Philip Sousa.”
runbenrun.org

572 teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2014 6:54:56pm

re: #571 jaunte

Well ain’t that a good god damn…

Huh?!?

573 Timothy Watson  Nov 6, 2014 6:57:39pm

re: #572 teleskiguy

Well ain’t that a good god damn…

Huh?!?

Ernest!!!

574 jaunte  Nov 6, 2014 6:57:54pm

Bill Saracinio, Communication and Western Regional Director:

“…He previously served as the chief operating officer of the Parents Television Council, political director of the Gun Owners of California and western states director of Steve Forbes for President.”
runbenrun.org

575 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:58:30pm

re: #570 Targetpractice

I fully expect Carson to be another Palin or Fred Thompson: Much talked about, lots of money shoveled into his pocket, and then failing to actually run or only running long enough to scam the rubes while disappearing long before the first primary debate actually happens.

I dunno. I see him as another Herman Cain and I know that comes off a little unfair since both men are African-American but the story is similar given that both these guys have never actually been elected to anything. Hell don’t even know if they were elected to their student governments as students. And both candidates when they talk clearly show you that they don’t have any political seasoning. Whether it’s Carson likening the US to Nazi Germany or his comments about slavery or in Cain’s case Uz-beki-beki-stan and his tax plan that sounded more like a pizza deal than actually thought out tax plan. Man though I remember Fred Thompson. We libs were supposed to be scared to death of him and he ended up being a great cure to the insomnia I had at that time.

576 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 6:59:26pm

re: #574 jaunte

Bill Saracinio, Communication and Western Regional Director:

Parents Television Council. Oh so Carson who rails against the big bad government has someone pushing him to run that wants the government telling you what your kids and cannot watch. Lovely.

577 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:00:32pm

re: #572 teleskiguy

Well ain’t that a good god damn…

Huh?!?

Dude I loved those movies as a kid.

578 jaunte  Nov 6, 2014 7:01:23pm
579 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 6, 2014 7:02:12pm

re: #570 Targetpractice

I fully expect Carson to be another Palin or Fred Thompson: Much talked about, lots of money shoveled into his pocket, and then failing to actually run or only running long enough to scam the rubes while disappearing long before the first primary debate actually happens.

Exactly. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sarah “Terror of the Tundra” Palin also making noises like she is going to think about maybe running if it’s the right thing to do. That will start the whole “Palin - Carson” ticket movement, with the rationale that “Now there is no way the Democrats can accuse us of being against women or blacks”.

Naturally, nothing will come of it. Sort of like the new Pontiac Firebird.
2015 Pontiac Firebird?

580 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:02:42pm

re: #578 jaunte

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Don’t forget Mitt. I’ve never seen in my lifetime someone who so didn’t get that the American people don’t like him as much as Mitt.

581 Belafon  Nov 6, 2014 7:04:00pm

re: #579 RealityBasedEbola

It looks too short.

582 De Kolta Chair  Nov 6, 2014 7:04:35pm

re: #578 jaunte

Barbie Williams @Barbie892

@thehill @AmbJohnBolton @kristina_wong John Bolton & Ben Carson are jumping into the 2016 clown car? Oh, this is gonna be good.

The next two years are going to be comedy gold for political commentators. For everyone else (excepting the rich of course), it’s gonna be the living shits.

583 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:04:44pm

So anyhow
Mitt
Jeb
Rubio
Carson
Cruz
Paul
Santorum
Who am I forgetting for the clown car and who may I have wrong here?

584 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 7:05:11pm

re: #579 RealityBasedEbola

Exactly. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sarah “Terror of the Tundra” Palin also making noises like she is going to think about maybe running if it’s the right thing to do. That will start the whole “Palin - Carson” ticket movement, with the rationale that “Now there is no way the Democrats can accuse us of being against women or blacks”.

Naturally, nothing will come of it. Sort of like the new Pontiac Firebird.
2015 Pontiac Firebird?

There will never be another Pontiac. GM has retired the Pontiac.

I have enjoyed some Pontiacs.

585 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:05:49pm

I still really hope that Hillary gets decent competition from the Dem side. I really don’t like the idea of handing her the nomination. I don’t like the idea of handing anyone the nomination really for president.

586 jaunte  Nov 6, 2014 7:05:56pm

re: #583 HappyWarrior

Bolt-on.

I think Mitt may decline.

587 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 7:06:10pm

re: #575 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I see him as another Herman Cain and I know that comes off a little unfair since both men are African-American but the story is similar given that both these guys have never actually been elected to anything. Hell don’t even know if they were elected to their student governments as students. And both candidates when they talk clearly show you that they don’t have any political seasoning. Whether it’s Carson likening the US to Nazi Germany or his comments about slavery or in Cain’s case Uz-beki-beki-stan and his tax plan that sounded more like a pizza deal than actually thought out tax plan. Man though I remember Fred Thompson. We libs were supposed to be scared to death of him and he ended up being a great cure to the insomnia I had at that time.

Carson’s got even less marketability than Cain did. Cain could appeal to voters as a business owner, even if it was of a mediocre chain. Carson? He’s a neurosurgeon whose claim to fame is being a black man who doesn’t like the President and says shit that wingnuts want to hear. He’ll be, at best, a flash in the pan candidate who will fizzle out.

588 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:06:46pm

re: #586 jaunte

Bolt-on.

I think Mitt may decline.

Oops yeah I forgot him. and I forgot Christie too. God I’m slow tonight. I think Mitt bows out too. I cannot believe he is even acting like it’s a possibility though.

589 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 7:07:32pm

My prediction: it will be Hillary v Jeb

I hope I’m wrong because that would suck.

590 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:07:41pm

re: #587 Targetpractice

Carson’s got even less marketability than Cain did. Cain could appeal to voters as a business owner, even if it was of a mediocre chain. Carson? He’s a neurosurgeon whose claim to fame is being a black man who doesn’t like the President and says shit that wingnuts want to hear. He’ll be, at best, a flash in the pan candidate who will fizzle out.

Good point. I can’t really think of anything like Carson then. No political experience or even in the case of Cain heading up a major company. His whole schitck seems to be “I say things that they love to hear at CPAC.”

591 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 7:08:20pm

re: #585 HappyWarrior

I still really hope that Hillary gets decent competition from the Dem side. I really don’t like the idea of handing her the nomination. I don’t like the idea of handing anyone the nomination really for president.

Personally, I’d like to see Cory Booker run. If nothing else, he could be the antithesis of Chris Christie, a guy who actually left Newark better off than it was when he took office and who knows how to work a crowd.

592 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:08:25pm

re: #589 Vicious Piebola

My prediction: it will be Hillary v Jeb

I hope I’m wrong because that would suck.

Yeah that would suck and it’s very plausible it could happen too.

593 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 6, 2014 7:09:04pm

re: #584 Vicious Piebola

There will never be another Pontiac. GM has retired the Pontiac.

I have enjoyed some Pontiacs.

I know that. :) I would have liked it if GM had kept the Pontiac nameplate alive for special purpose vehicles. I’m guessing that’s a show car or custom, based on the current Camaro body. (since both were F-bodies). It does very much remind me of the 2nd gen FBs, especially the shaker hood.

RBS

594 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:09:21pm

re: #591 Targetpractice

Personally, I’d like to see Cory Booker run. If nothing else, he could be the antithesis of Chris Christie, a guy who actually left Newark better off than it was when he took office and who knows how to work a crowd.

I do like him. I like O’Malley but after seeing how his successor choice was beaten. I expect it would be easy to tag him as “tax and spend.” I genuinely like the guy though.

595 Belafon  Nov 6, 2014 7:09:33pm

re: #589 Vicious Piebola

My prediction: it will be Hillary v Jeb

I hope I’m wrong because that would suck.

My prediction is that a Republican will run, which is going to suck.

596 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:10:01pm

Oh and add Walker to the GOP stable. Anyhow. let’s talk VPs. For the Dems? Gillibrand?

597 Belafon  Nov 6, 2014 7:10:41pm

re: #596 HappyWarrior

Possibly a Castro from Texas.

598 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:10:49pm

re: #595 Belafon

My prediction is that a Republican will run, which is going to suck.

What will really suck is the least insane Republican this time will sound like Mitt in 2012 who still sounded pretty insane because Mitt was a pandering blowhard.

599 ipsos  Nov 6, 2014 7:10:57pm

re: #562 Sionainn

I just saw a Carson 2016 sticker on a car today.

A little voice inside my head said “Don’t look back. You can never look back.”

600 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 7:11:33pm

I’d like to see Biden/Booker

601 Swift2991  Nov 6, 2014 7:11:39pm

Of course, it’s a superfluous story after the last two weeks before the election were spent impugning science and spreading panic. So the story will revert to something like the actual facts that can’t be denied. No need to spread slander and calumny anymore. Still, it’s good have an alternate narrative ready to drop when questions are asked. This is good, because it gets the “tyrant” aspect, the “lying science” aspect, and the conspriracy can always be brandished if a factual argument is made. “So, you guys were just lying for political effect, weren’t you?” “No, Obama forced the AP to shut up!”

602 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2014 7:12:05pm

You should probably add Jindal to the Clown Car too.

603 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:13:01pm

re: #597 Belafon

Possibly a Castro from Texas.

Yeah that would be good and as of this moment my choice. Hispanic voters and the SW is the future. They’re both young guys too and I was very impressed with Mayor Castro in his keynote speech. I’d like to see more young Democrats like him run for office. What the Republicans have been doing and I know it seems silly but they’ve been running young candidates quite successfully. Now I know ideologically to people like us who have our minds set that it doesn’t matter really to us if the person is a 70 year old white guy like Joe Biden or a mid 30’s Julian or Joaquin Castro but I think that sort of thing does matter to the voter on at least a subconscious level.

604 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:13:55pm

re: #600 Vicious Piebola

I’d like to see Biden/Booker

I love love Biden. Just wish he were ten years younger and a much better fundraiser but I do like Biden better than Hillary. Hell like him more than Obama. I think Biden would surprise people with his ability to work with Congress.

605 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:14:05pm

re: #602 Eclectic Cyborg

You should probably add Jindal to the Clown Car too.

Yes, thank you.

606 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 7:14:15pm

Think a shorter list might be “Who Isn’t Thinking Of Running For The GOP.” Though, admittedly, any such list at this point is just wild-assed guessing until people actually start throwing their propeller beanies into the ring.

607 freetoken  Nov 6, 2014 7:14:36pm

If serial stupidity was a felony, Hoft would be serving multiple life sentences by now.

608 b_sharp  Nov 6, 2014 7:14:55pm

I just ran across several right wing sites talking about Maxine Water’s comments on Sharia law. I watched the entire video of her speech.

The only thing I can conclude is not one of these right wing sites understood a word she said.

609 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:15:51pm

re: #606 Targetpractice

Think a shorter list might be “Who Isn’t Thinking Of Running For The GOP.” Though, admittedly, any such list at this point is just wild-assed guessing until people actually start throwing their propeller beanies into the ring.

Heh true. Well Bob McDonnell hahahaha. But felons aside, uh I think Mitch Daniels realizes that he’d be Huntsmaned. Haley Barbour will probably decline a run too I think.

610 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 7:17:05pm

re: #558 teleskiguy

A lot can happen in a two years. Who knows, by that time UpChuck will have fulfilled his promise to turn all MSM journalists into travel agents! Then all the Democratic candidates (and I do mean all of them) will be thoroughly discredited by UpChuck and his Award-Winning Journalist ArmyTM!

Youtube Video

611 Belafon  Nov 6, 2014 7:18:03pm

re: #603 HappyWarrior

Picking a Castro might get Latinos in Texas to register and vote like the rest of the country, which would put Texas in play.

612 goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2014 7:19:34pm

I’m a little surprised that Cruz is polling lower than Rubio, Perry and Ryan right now. I mean, I know the guy is massively off-putting and looks like the product of a used car salesman who fucked a bowl of rancid tapioca, but I thought his tea party base of support would be stronger than that. Right now the GOP is seriously fractured on potential candidates, which realistically means their debates are going to be ugly as hell and the Republican Primary is going to be hugely expensive.

613 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:19:55pm

re: #611 Belafon

Picking a Castro might get Latinos in Texas to register and vote like the rest of the country, which would put Texas in play.

Neighboring Arizona too. I think if it’s Hillary, she would be very wise to look at them.

614 BeenHereAwhile  Nov 6, 2014 7:20:19pm

re: #433 Justanotherhuman

Listening to “Comfortably Numb” on my grandson’s headphones is absolutely fantastic, esp the orgasmic solo at the end. Along with the Allman Bros jam numbers, they’re my favorite bands, still.

My grandson bought me a Dark Side of the Moon tshirt a couple of weeks ago.

New album out in the next few days: ultimateclassicrock.com

At least it’s Pink Floyd.

David Gilmour yea!!

615 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:21:36pm

re: #614 BeenHereAwhile

David Gilmour yea!!

Not to brag but I was on the barge that produced that latest album. Long story short, cousin’s hubby works for Mr. Gilmour as a sound engineer. Did not meet him during my time in the UK this summer but my cousin’s husband has met his share of rockers. Only British guy I’ve met that isn’t a diehard football fan.

616 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 7:23:14pm

re: #583 HappyWarrior

So anyhow
Mitt
Jeb
Rubio
Carson
Cruz
Paul
Santorum
Who am I forgetting for the clown car and who may I have wrong here?

Also
Scott Walker
Bobby Jindal
Probably John Kasich
Chris Christy
and several others who are just waiting for that much anticipated direct call from god to tell them to run.
(Nikki Haley is probably awaiting the VP call.)

617 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:23:50pm

re: #616 BeachDem

Also
Scott Walker
Bobby Jindal
Probably John Kasich
Chris Christy
and several others who are just waiting for that much anticipated direct call from god to tell them to run.
(Nikki Haley is probably awaiting the VP call.)

Sounds right.

618 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 7:25:31pm

re: #613 HappyWarrior

Neighboring Arizona too. I think if it’s Hillary, she would be very wise to look at them.

I think someone should dissuade Hillary from running. The youth vote and the Hispanic vote are both crucial for the Dems. Either Joaquin or Julian Castro would make a good nominee.

619 goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2014 7:25:49pm

re: #612 goddamnedfrank

I mean, Cruz is in eight place overall right now, and the guy is pretty much definitely going to run. Rand Paul is in first place in the polling, barely edging out Jeb Bush, who is just enormously unpopular with the tea party base and religious right.

One other thing that’s interesting is that Rand Paul will be up for reelection in 2016, and due to a quirk in Kentucky law will have to choose between running for his Senate seat or running for President, he can’t do both. The Kansas House and Governor are both under Democratic control, so he’s going to have a difficult to near impossible job trying to get that law changed.

620 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 7:28:02pm

re: #612 goddamnedfrank

I’m a little surprised that Cruz is polling lower than Rubio, Perry and Ryan right now. I mean, I know the guy is massively off-putting and looks like the product of a used car salesman who fucked a bowl of rancid tapioca, but I thought his tea party base of support would be stronger than that. Right now the GOP is seriously fractured on potential candidates, which realistically means their debates are going to be ugly as hell and the Republican Primary primary is going to be expensive.

But, but upchuck has already done the serious vetting and declared that Cruz is the one and only!

621 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:29:00pm

re: #618 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I think someone should dissuade Hillary from running. The youth vote and the Hispanic vote are both crucial for the Dems. Either Joaquin or Julian Castro would make a good nominee.

Well I don’t think anyone would be able to do that. I like Julian more than Joaquin at this point since he had the mayorial experience over a quite large city. I really wish Hillary weren’t running personally but I think it’s an inevitability. I just hope she actually gets a bit of a challenge. I really don’t want the Dems to fall into the mistake that the Republicans have of playing next batter up.

622 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:30:15pm

re: #619 goddamnedfrank

I mean, Cruz is in eight place overall right now, and the guy is pretty much definitely going to run. Rand Paul is in first place in the polling, barely edging out Jeb Bush, who is just enormously unpopular with the tea party base and religious right.

One other thing that’s interesting is that Rand Paul will be up for reelection in 2016, and due to a quirk in Kansas law will have to choose between running for his Senate seat or running for President, he can’t do both. The Kansas House and Governor are both under Democratic control, so he’s going to have a difficult to near impossible job trying to get that law changed.

Man I wasn’t aware about that regarding Kentucky law. I think Rand’s undoing by the way will be his stances on FP. That’s going to give his opponents a lot of fuel for a still very hawkish GOP base.

623 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 7:30:38pm

re: #619 goddamnedfrank

I mean, Cruz is in eight place overall right now, and the guy is pretty much definitely going to run. Rand Paul is in first place in the polling, barely edging out Jeb Bush, who is just enormously unpopular with the tea party base and religious right.

One other thing that’s interesting is that Rand Paul will be up for reelection in 2016, and due to a quirk in Kansas law will have to choose between running for his Senate seat or running for President, he can’t do both. The Kansas House and Governor are both under Democratic control, so he’s going to have a difficult to near impossible job trying to get that law changed.

Um, he’s from Kentucky. (is that the law in KY as well.)

624 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:30:50pm

I’d run one of the Castro brothers against Cruz in Cruz’s re-election though.

625 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:31:16pm

re: #623 BeachDem

Um, he’s from Kentucky. (is that the law in KY as well.)

I think Frank meant Kentucky since he was correct about the situation of the KY governor and legislature.

626 Belafon  Nov 6, 2014 7:31:18pm

re: #623 BeachDem

I think frank meant Kentucky.

627 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:32:30pm

Christie to me I think even though he’s not nearly as socially moderate as Rudy Giuliani was will suffer from a similiar problem. I can’t see Christie mingling with the GOP base that well in the early primary states.

628 goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2014 7:32:47pm

re: #623 BeachDem

Um, he’s from Kentucky. (is that the law in KY as well.)

Yeah, oops, it’s Kentucky that has that law, got them cofuzzled. Rand needs to pick an office to run for, they don’t do consolation prizes there.

629 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 7:33:04pm

re: #625 HappyWarrior

re: #626 Belafon

OK—just verifying, because it would be delightful if Rand could not run for re-election. Does he have to win the pres. nomination to keep him for running for his senate seat, or just declare as a candidate?

630 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:34:12pm

re: #629 BeachDem

OK—just verifying, because it would be delightful if Rand could not run for re-election. Does he have to win the pres. nomination to keep him for running for his senate seat, or just declare as a candidate?

I have no idea. First I knew about this. Just knew that Frank meant Kentucky instead of Kansas since he’s right about KY having a Dem governor and legislature.

631 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 6, 2014 7:34:22pm

Got horrible, horrible news earlier today. One of my classmates from last semester…I sat next to her all semester and did a peer review edit on her final paper…just died from unexpected illness at Duke Hospital in NC,

Rachel Leahy. Lovely, intense and very, very brilliant. Her academic writing on 16th century English verse was the best I have ever seen. She had just been accepted on staff at Guilford College and she is gone.

Thoughts and prayers for her family would be appreciated. I believe she was an only child, and this is devestating for so many of us.

632 goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2014 7:35:00pm

re: #626 Belafon

I think frank meant Kentucky.

I think we can all agree that they’re both really fucked up K states m’kay.

Unless anybody here is from either one, I mean I’m totes sorry if I offended anybody who has to live in those festering hellholes.

633 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:35:31pm

re: #631 Aunty Entity Dragon

Got horrible, horrible news earlier today. One of my classmates from last semester…I sat next to her all semester and did a peer review edit on her final paper…just died from unexpected illness at Duke Hospital in NC,

Rachel Leahy. Lovely, intense and very, very brilliant. Her academic writing on 16th century English verse was the best I have ever seen. She had just been accepted on staff at Guilford College and she is gone.

Thoughts and prayers for her family would be appreciated. I believe she was an only child, and this is devestating for so many of us.

Awful. My condolences.

634 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:37:21pm

I can’t believe the guy who once employed a “Confederate avenger” isn’t the most insane possible candidate.

635 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 6, 2014 7:39:11pm

re: #600 Vicious Piebola

I’d like to see Biden/Booker

Yes. Or Warren to replace either.

636 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:40:47pm

re: #635 Resident of The United States of Jesus

Yes. Or Warren to replace either.

I love Warren but I don’t see her as the type that gets put on a presidential ticket. Don’t get me wrong. She’s probably the Senate’s best champion of liberal values at this point which is so fitting since it’s the old Ted Kennedy seat she occupies. I also don’t know if she wants it even too.

637 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 6, 2014 7:42:08pm

re: #616 BeachDem

Also
Scott Walker
Bobby Jindal
Probably John Kasich
Chris Christy
and several others who are just waiting for that much anticipated direct call from god to tell them to run.
(Nikki Haley is probably awaiting the VP call.)

I hate that the women are always the VP contender. Go big or go home.

638 goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2014 7:43:19pm

If Hillary runs the Dems will be in a really good position, because it’s unlikely that she’ll face much of a protracted primary fight, and will be able to amass a huge cash war chest to bring into the general election.

Conversely the Republicans are going to expend every ounce of ammunition they have against her in the primary, while also fighting and trying to outdo each other pretty viciously. The winner there is likely to not only exhaust their own financial resources just winning the nomination, but they will have also seriously diminished whatever appetite the average person might have left at that point for hearing more rote, anti-Hillary dumb shittery.

639 Belafon  Nov 6, 2014 7:43:50pm

re: #636 HappyWarrior

I love Warren but I don’t see her as the type that gets put on a presidential ticket. Don’t get me wrong. She’s probably the Senate’s best champion of liberal values at this point which is so fitting since it’s the old Ted Kennedy seat she occupies. I also don’t know if she wants it even too.

I don’t think she does. I’m under the impression she doesn’t really want to do foreign policy, which would be half the presidency. And she couldn’t do nearly as much as VP as she does from the Senate.

640 teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2014 7:44:27pm

re: #573 Timothy Watson

Ernest!!!

re: #577 HappyWarrior

Dude I loved those movies as a kid.

Know what I mean, Vern?

641 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:45:02pm

re: #640 teleskiguy

Know what I mean, Vern?

[Embedded image]

Have some miek!

642 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:46:14pm

re: #639 Belafon

I don’t think she does. I’m under the impression she doesn’t really want to do foreign policy, which would be half the presidency. And she couldn’t do nearly as much as VP as she does from the Senate.

Hadn’t heard that about her. Doesn’t surprise me I guess. I was thinking the fact she’s more of a person who stands on her own often. I mean not a knock on her at all but she seems like the kind of person that will be great to have in the Senate but would struggle with the presidency.

643 teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2014 7:47:58pm

Jim Varney, RIP

644 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:49:44pm

re: #643 teleskiguy

Jim Varney, RIP

[Embedded image]

Died too young. Great as Slinky also in the first two Toy Story movies.Man I loved those Ernest movies. Must have watched Ernest Scared Stupid over a dozen times. It was my brother’s favorite movie. Was going to watch it with him and his daughter on Halloween but they were out of town visiting my SiL’s sister and fiance.

645 BeenHereAwhile  Nov 6, 2014 7:58:39pm

re: #644 HappyWarrior

Died too young. Great as Slinky also in the first two Toy Story movies.Man I loved those Ernest movies. Must have watched Ernest Scared Stupid over a dozen times. It was my brother’s favorite movie. Was going to watch it with him and his daughter on Halloween but they were out of town visiting my SiL’s sister and fiance.

Jim was a really nice guy, in addition to being a great talent.

646 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:59:43pm

re: #645 BeenHereAwhile

Jim was a really nice guy, in addition to being a great talent.

I totally believe it. Sucks he left us too young. Loved his Simpsons appearance too as a Carny that ended up taking over the Simpsons house with his son.

647 blueraven  Nov 6, 2014 8:01:53pm

OK I am really, really, seriously pissed off at Chuck Todd and NBC.
How in the hell can you have a host of a major Sunday News talk show write and publish a book about a sitting president?

Whether it is a flattering or unflattering account of Obama, and from what I have seen so far of Chuck Todd’s The Stranger, it is the latter, how is that not a huge conflict for Meet The Press, NBC and Todd?

Now he will be all over MSNBC and, I am sure, other networks pushing his DC Insider, Gossip, Trash.

Grrrrr

648 teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2014 8:03:04pm

re: #645 BeenHereAwhile

Jim was a really nice guy, in addition to being a great talent.

IIRC he was an accomplished actor with lots of Shakespeare credits to his name before Ernest P. Worrell became him.

649 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 8:03:23pm

re: #647 blueraven

OK I am really, really, seriously pissed off at Chuck Todd and NBC.
How in the hell can you have a host of a major Sunday News talk show write and publish a book about a sitting president?

Whether it is a flattering or unflattering account of Obama, and from what I have seen so far of Chuck Todd’s The Stranger, it is the latter, how is that not a huge conflict for Meet The Press, NBC and Todd?

Now he will be all over MSNBC and, I am sure, other networks pushing his DC Insider, Gossip, Trash.

Grrrrr

I’ve never been impressed with him as a journalist. Totally smug. Loves the story being about him. The anti Ed Morrow.

650 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 8:03:35pm

re: #648 teleskiguy

IIRC he was an accomplished actor with lots of Shakespeare credits to his name before Ernest P. Worrell became him.

I had heard that.

651 Jenner7  Nov 6, 2014 8:10:35pm
652 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 8:39:21pm

re: #631 Aunty Entity Dragon

{{{{ Aunty Entity Dragon}}}}

653 Jenner7  Nov 6, 2014 8:41:52pm

re: #651 Jenner7

Good stuff last night. We need to have a grown up conversation about race in this country. Like DeRay always says: we need to be uncomfortable.

654 austin_blue  Nov 6, 2014 8:43:11pm

re: #631 Aunty Entity Dragon

Got horrible, horrible news earlier today. One of my classmates from last semester…I sat next to her all semester and did a peer review edit on her final paper…just died from unexpected illness at Duke Hospital in NC,

Rachel Leahy. Lovely, intense and very, very brilliant. Her academic writing on 16th century English verse was the best I have ever seen. She had just been accepted on staff at Guilford College and she is gone.

Thoughts and prayers for her family would be appreciated. I believe she was an only child, and this is devestating for so many of us.

Done.

{{Celtic Dragon}}

655 austin_blue  Nov 6, 2014 8:45:12pm

re: #616 BeachDem

Also
Scott Walker
Bobby Jindal
Probably John Kasich
Chris Christy
and several others who are just waiting for that much anticipated direct call from god to tell them to run.
(Nikki Haley is probably awaiting the VP call.)

Rick Perry. May god help us all.

656 makeitstop  Nov 6, 2014 8:46:26pm

I haven’t watched CNN in years, but while we were flipping through the channels tonight my wife stopped at Anthony Bourdain’s ‘Parts Unknown,’ filmed inside Iran. It was fascinating. Bourdain and his crew really put a human face on the citizens of Iran, and it exploded the myth of Iran being a fundamentalist (translation - backward) country.

The final scene was of Iranian teens getting in their rides and hanging out in a parking lot drinking beer and driving a lot of American muscle cars.

Then, when it was over we switched to the Weather Channel and watched an episode of a show called ‘Fat Guys in the Woods.’ You take the good with the bad on cable nowadays.

657 austin_blue  Nov 6, 2014 9:09:04pm

re: #612 goddamnedfrank

I’m a little surprised that Cruz is polling lower than Rubio, Perry and Ryan right now. I mean, I know the guy is massively off-putting and looks like the product of a used car salesman who fucked a bowl of rancid tapioca, but I thought his tea party base of support would be stronger than that. Right now the GOP is seriously fractured on potential candidates, which realistically means their debates are going to be ugly as hell and the Republican Primary is going to be hugely expensive.

The real question is: Who will the Koch’s and their fellow travelers back?

They were brilliant in their funding and their message this cycle. They blew Rove’s PAC away. And the Dem PACs.

My guess is on Jeb. A known quantity from a reliable family. A “moderate” who’s not a pseudo-christian (Mormon!). A nice guy, not given to hyperbole. A chameleon who can change positions and make it seem pragmatic without looking like a complete hypocrite. Given the alternatives, and the fact that the Koch’s and the others like them with tremendous economic influence have two years to shape the agenda, I’m really thinking of Jeb as the alternative to Hillary as the radical continuation of Obama’s ruinous policies that are destroying America.

(Devil’s advocate off)

658 BeenHereAwhile  Nov 6, 2014 9:16:21pm

re: #648 teleskiguy

IIRC he was an accomplished actor with lots of Shakespeare credits to his name before Ernest P. Worrell became him.

History buff too.

His favorite historical character was Cassius Marcellus Clay (1810-1903).

659 TedStriker  Nov 6, 2014 9:19:32pm

re: #648 teleskiguy

IIRC he was an accomplished actor with lots of Shakespeare credits to his name before Ernest P. Worrell became him.

re: #650 HappyWarrior

I had heard that.

Something he riffed on in some of the Ernest movies, such as Ernest Scared Stupid.

660 TedStriker  Nov 6, 2014 9:20:01pm

re: #658 BeenHereAwhile

History buff too.

His favorite historical character was Cassius Marcellus Clay (1810-1903).

Muhammed Ali’s original namesake and a general badass:

Clay served in the Mexican-American War as a Captain with the 1st Kentucky Cavalry from 1846 to 1847. He opposed the annexation of Texas and expansion of slavery into the Southwest. While making a speech for abolition in 1849, Clay was attacked by the six Turner brothers, who beat, stabbed and tried to shoot him. In the ensuing fight, Clay fought off all six and, using his Bowie knife, killed Cyrus Turner.[5]

en.wikipedia.org

661 teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2014 10:04:08pm

re: #631 Aunty Entity Dragon

So sorry for your loss!

This summer I had two very unexpected passings, folks that had everything going for them and then one day, lights out.

The goddamn fragility of life, goddamnit!

{{{{{{{celticdragon}}}}}}}

662 BeenHereAwhile  Nov 6, 2014 10:23:41pm

re: #660 TedStriker

Muhammed Ali’s original namesake and a general badass:

en.wikipedia.org

Clay also served as US Ambassador to Russia during the Civil War, and was successful in getting Russia to support the Union.

Another example of Clay’s fighting spirit occurred while at the Russian court, when one of the nobles took offense to Clay, slapped Clay with his gloves and challenged Clay to a duel.

Clay stood up and punched the challenger unconscious with one blow.

History didn’t record if Clay still carried his Bowie knife sheathed between his shoulder blades while in Russia. But Clay had no more challengers.

663 Carl LaFong  Nov 7, 2014 2:51:41am

re: #430 b_sharp

Now what is the denier trying to say?

Carl LaFong
Capital C small a small r small
Capital L small a Capital F small o small n small g
LaFong, Carl LaFong

664 Charles Johnson  Nov 7, 2014 8:55:38am

re: #206 shawnthesheep

It wouldn’t be horrible at all if the Obama administration asked media to be responsible in their Ebola coverage, I agree. But the fact is that they aren’t.


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