A Wildly Unique Vocal Group in Concert: Roomful of Teeth

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Mix a bit of yodeling with Tuvan throat singing, add in a pinch of Sardinian cantu a tenore, fold in compositions from cutting-edge composers and you have the vocal group Roomful of Teeth. This eight-voice ensemble, which includes the 2013 Pulitzer Prize-winning composer Caroline Shaw, is gleefully dismantling the traditional definition of ensemble singing right before our ears (and teeth!).

Musical descendants of the innovative extended vocal techniques of Meredith Monk, the Teeth tend to make sounds — some sweet, others alarming — that you probably haven’t heard from a group of humans.

In Australian composer Wally Gunn’s “The Fence is Gone,” verses emerge from an infrastructure of “oh-ha” syllables and a simple drum pulse, ending with women’s voices, tight in harmony, like a chord from a Casio keyboard. In Rinde Eckert’s “Cesca’s View,” imagine a lonely cowgirl on some windswept plain. Estelí Gomez gets her yodel on, beautifully, while the three other women vocalize in close, barbershop-style harmony. It literally ends on a high note.

To finish, Teeth founder and director Brad Wells contributes “Otherwise.” Warm, rounded tones in male voices contrast with a steely sheen from the women and a high drone like a Tibetan singing bowl. The harmonies take a tangy, almost Bulgarian turn, then we get something truly otherworldly. A pulsing, slightly creepy Sardinian “bim-bom” vocalise buzzes like a gigantic cicada. Dashon Burton’s operatic baritone soars above it all. The agility of the voices and multicolored blend they achieve are extraordinary.

As the applause faded away, one of the Teeth said, “Thanks for letting us yell at you.” No, I think it’s we who are grateful — and perhaps a little stunned. —TOM HUIZENGA

Set List
Wally Gunn: “The Fence Is Gone” 0:00
Rinde Eckert: “Cesca’s View” 4:30
Brad Wells: “Otherwise” 8:22

Credits
Producers: Bob Boilen, Tom Huizenga, Maggie Starbard; Audio Engineer: Kevin Wait; Videographers: Colin Marshall, Maggie Starbard, Susan Hale Thomas; Assistant Producer: Susannah Whittle

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368 comments
1 freetoken  Nov 17, 2014 5:30:30pm

Sort of primal.

2 Justanotherhuman  Nov 17, 2014 5:33:48pm

re: #1 freetoken

Sort of primal.

The 4 yr old liked it. At first, then lost interest.

3 #FergusonFireside  Nov 17, 2014 5:35:59pm

And with that I will watch The Walking Dead.

See ya in a bit.

4 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 17, 2014 5:38:51pm

They lost me at ” Tuvan throat singing.”

5 Justanotherhuman  Nov 17, 2014 5:42:17pm

re: #4 Higgs Boson’s Mate

They lost me at ” Tuvan throat singing.”

It’s Mongolian.

Youtube Video

6 Justanotherhuman  Nov 17, 2014 5:43:57pm

President Obama orders comprehensive review of US hostage negotiation policy, Pentagon official says in letter to Congress - @ABC
read more on abcnews.go.com

7 Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2014 5:44:20pm

Painful. Would rather listen to coyotes howl at the moon than this. Lasted all of 1.41 before I shut it down.

8 Justanotherhuman  Nov 17, 2014 5:46:10pm

re: #6 Justanotherhuman

President Obama orders comprehensive review of US hostage negotiation policy, Pentagon official says in letter to Congress - @ABC
read more on abcnews.go.com

Better link: abcnews.go.com

9 #FergusonFireside  Nov 17, 2014 5:47:08pm

Time Warner On Demand is so fucking lame. My routine is to watch the Dead on Monday night, maybe twice if its good. Last year TWC just stopped showing it On Demand till like 5 days later. Got used to the suck of watching on ipad.

Oh but I try On Demand every time because big screen.

Tonight I got it!

Carol Carol Carol.

10 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 17, 2014 5:48:51pm

re: #5 Justanotherhuman

It’s Mongolian.

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I know, I’ve heard it in concert. That’s why they lost me.

11 De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2014 5:48:52pm

Needz moar Duke Robillard. Oh wait, that’s Roomful of Blues. Never mind.

Not to my tastes, but those kids can sing a hellalot better than I can. But my singing ability has been compared to Mamie Smith chewing on a garbage can lid, which I take as a compliment.

12 jaunte  Nov 17, 2014 5:49:43pm
13 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 17, 2014 5:52:48pm

re: #12 jaunte

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Because angry N’clangs are scarier than ISIS?

14 jaunte  Nov 17, 2014 5:53:23pm

re: #13 William Barnett-Lewis

The town must be a lot bigger than it looks on Google maps.

15 De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2014 5:55:04pm

re: #13 William Barnett-Lewis

Because angry N’clangs are scarier than ISIS?

Its those Wu Tang N’clangs ya gotsta watch out for.

16 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 17, 2014 5:56:23pm

re: #13 William Barnett-Lewis

Because angry N’clangs are scarier than ISIS?

These are just advisers.
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17 Kragar  Nov 17, 2014 5:56:48pm
18 Justanotherhuman  Nov 17, 2014 5:58:44pm

Keep calm and carry on, Lizards!

Later. : )

And for your listening pleasure…

Youtube Video

19 Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2014 6:02:56pm

Oh, by the way - I realized today that in the recent addition of images in comments, I had forgotten a cardinal rule of the Internet: do not hotlink images.

This means images that are hosted at other sites. Because when we display those images from their servers in our comments, we’re basically stealing their bandwidth.

Some sites will even make their displeasure over this bandwidth theft very clear by redirecting to nasty, offensive images if they detect a hotlinked image. We’re talking goatse here, or worse. Nasty.

So now, if you put an image in a comment with a ‘src’ attribute that links to another site, it will be converted into a plain text link that says “External image” and pops open a new window with that image when clicked.

The best way to display images in comments is to upload your own copy to your personal Image Library.

20 De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2014 6:07:43pm

re: #18 Justanotherhuman

And for your listening pleasure…

Video

Gorgeous. Not too many years ago, I espied Ms. Battle at the Julliard branch of the NY Public Library and thought for a few seconds of asking for her autograph, but decided that would be rude. Unlike the time 20 years before when I saw Leontyne Price entering the stage door of the San Francisco Opera House and not only asked for her autograph but presented my paper and pen on bended knee. The great lady kindly granted my request. After she entered the building, her chauffeur gave me a thumbs up and complimented me on my chutzpah.

21 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 17, 2014 6:10:37pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Oh, by the way - I realized today that in the recent addition of images in comments, I had forgotten a cardinal rule of the Internet: do not hotlink images.
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Been doing that automatically because I thought we had too. Good mistake to make… ;)

22 nines09  Nov 17, 2014 6:12:01pm

One of my friends used to sign in as “Al Capella” when he was traveling back in the day of cash and flop. The human voice. What an instrument.

23 Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2014 6:13:52pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Oh, by the way - I realized today that in the recent addition of images in comments, I had forgotten a cardinal rule of the Internet: do not hotlink images.

This means images that are hosted at other sites. Because when we display those images from their servers in our comments, we’re basically stealing their bandwidth.

Some sites will even make their displeasure over this bandwidth theft very clear by redirecting to nasty, offensive images if they detect a hotlinked image. We’re talking goatse here, or worse. Nasty.

So now, if you put an image in a comment with a ‘src’ attribute that links to another site, it will be converted into a plain text link that says “External image” and pops open a new window with that image when clicked.

The best way to display images in comments is to upload your own copy to your personal Image Library.

Which brings up a question. I have quite a few images that I have uploaded. Is there a limit on the space I may use? Do I need to watch and insure I am not being a hog? I don’t want to use more than I need and possibly keep other Lizards from using your services. Please advise.

24 Jenner7  Nov 17, 2014 6:14:24pm
25 Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2014 6:16:42pm

re: #23 Bubblehead II

Which brings up a question. I have quite a few images that I have uploaded. Is there a limit on the space I may use? Do I need to watch and insure I am not being a hog? I don’t want to use more than I need and possibly keep other Lizards from using your services. Please advise.

No problem on space at all at the moment. I’ll let everyone know if it becomes an issue, but it’s not even close right now.

26 Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2014 6:17:27pm
27 Kragar  Nov 17, 2014 6:19:16pm

As an HP employee, let me just say I will never buy another fucking HP product ever fucking again

28 Kid A  Nov 17, 2014 6:20:16pm

re: #27 Kragar

As an HP employee, let me just say I will never buy another fucking HP product ever fucking again

I have a friend that’s in PR for HP. What’s the problem and I’ll forward it to him.

29 Eventual Carrion  Nov 17, 2014 6:22:18pm

re: #16 Indy GOP Refugee

These are just advisers.
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Yeah, advising people that they should get off the streets or be shot.

30 Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2014 6:22:25pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

No problem on space at all at the moment. I’ll let everyone know if it becomes an issue, but it’s not even close right now.

Thanks. BTW, another question. Will I get a notification prior to my subscription expiring? Would be nice to know when I needed to renew.

31 Kragar  Nov 17, 2014 6:23:54pm

I got a preferred account a couple weeks ago when I ordered my kids laptop using a company discount. When my wife’s PC died, I tried to go online and order her a new machine, but the website kept trying to make me apply for an all new account. I called up customer service and they said they got everything ordered for me, then I find out they set up a “Bill me later” account, they didn’t use my preferred account at all. Now I call up to see if they could bill the right account and they tell me there is nothing they can do and its too late to cancel my order. Now I have to wait 24-48 hours for them to “escalate” the issue.

Fuck them. Fuck them right in their fucking asses.

Never fucking again.

32 Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2014 6:25:40pm

re: #30 Bubblehead II

Thanks. BTW, another question. Will I get a notification prior to my subscription expiring? Would be nice to know when I needed to renew.

Not sure on that — the subscription details are handled by Paypal. Judging from experience, they’ll probably just try to charge the subscription payment to your account and send you an email if it fails.

33 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 17, 2014 6:27:17pm

re: #27 Kragar

As an HP employee, let me just say I will never buy another fucking HP product ever fucking again

I gave up a long time ago.

But I remember my HP 9000 712/100 workstation running NextStep 3.3 and printing to a LaserJet 4. That was sweet beyond belief. HP hasn’t been worth a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut since Carly though.

34 Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2014 6:28:06pm

re: #28 Kid A

I have a friend that’s in PR for HP. What’s the problem and I’ll forward it to him.

Simple. HP products suck. Currently have a HP Photosmart C4680 printer that is a boat anchor. Print head is clogged and no amount of isopropyl will clear it. Used only HP cartridges and it still failed. HP printers are pieces of shit.

35 #FergusonFireside  Nov 17, 2014 6:28:45pm

re: #24 Jenner7

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Those scary blahs.

How fucking belittling and routine.

The new Jim Crow.

36 Ed E. Lishus  Nov 17, 2014 6:29:44pm

re: #27 Kragar

My company is all HP for workstations, laptops, and mid-range servers. Working in a “shadow IT” service desk, I have to say I always found their stuff to be pretty solid and dependable overall. Way better than my experience when we were a Dell shop. Those were bleak days.

37 Kragar  Nov 17, 2014 6:29:48pm

re: #33 William Barnett-Lewis

I gave up a long time ago.

But I remember my HP 9000 712/100 workstation running NextStep 3.3 and printing to a LaserJet 4. That was sweet beyond belief. HP hasn’t been worth a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut since Carly though.

I complained thru the service call, I sent a complaint thru the preferred account email service and I’ll be complaining to my HP management about it tomorrow.

I’m supposed to manage 2 accounts and make double payment because they can’t get their fucking website to work right?

38 De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2014 6:30:31pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

39 Kragar  Nov 17, 2014 6:30:37pm

re: #36 Ed E. Lishus

My company is all HP for workstations, laptops, and mid-range servers. Working in a “shadow IT” service desk, I have to say I always found their stuff to be pretty solid and dependable overall. Way better than my experience when we were a Dell shop. Those were bleak days.

The product isn’t the issue.

The service and accounting is.

40 Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2014 6:32:46pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Not sure on that — the subscription details are handled by Paypal. Judging from experience, they’ll probably just try to charge the subscription payment to your account and send you an email if it fails.

Thanks. It will probably fail then. As I have mentioned before, I am not overly fond of paypal. Really wish you could do away with 3rd party transactions. But that is just me.

41 Ed E. Lishus  Nov 17, 2014 6:33:18pm

re: #39 Kragar

(To my great fortune it sounds) I have had no real experience with that side of the house.

42 ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2014 6:37:43pm

Currently it is now 18° here in Columbus and headed for a low of 9° tonight/early morning. Unprecedented for this time of the year.

Damn you polar vortex!!!

That is all. I bitch because 1 week ago it was almost 60°+ and last Tuesday was almost 70°. That is not enough time for adjustment. Brrrrr.

43 darthstar  Nov 17, 2014 6:37:45pm

re: #31 Kragar

My wife’s PC refuses to die…it’s an Acer laptop…same one I bitched about in Mexico when Windows update killed the wireless drivers (I fixed that…at 4am). She dropped it from about 4 feet a while back (with the lid open) so there’s a dent in one corner of the screen and the metal is separated by about a half inch…yet it runs.

I told her if she kept it for another six years I’d buy her a new one.

44 darthstar  Nov 17, 2014 6:39:19pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

Currently it is now 18° here in Columbus and headed for a low of 9° tonight/early morning. Unprecedented for this time of the year.

Damn you polar vortex!!!

That is all. I bitch because 1 week ago it was almost 60°+ and last Tuesday was almost 70°. That is not enough time for adjustment. Brrrrr.

Got up to 70 today. Saw people wearing jackets after work on the elevator…asked them why. “It’s November, it’s starting to get cold.” Bullshit.

45 Jenner7  Nov 17, 2014 6:40:38pm

:;sigh::

46 ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2014 6:41:17pm

re: #44 darthstar

Got up to 70 today. Saw people wearing jackets after work on the elevator…asked them why. “It’s November, it’s starting to get cold.” Bullshit.

Send ‘em this way. This cold snap will give them something to really complain about!

47 #FergusonFireside  Nov 17, 2014 6:42:22pm

re: #45 Jenner7

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:;sigh::

Protect and serve from Fox News. Yeah, you are a man of the people.

bad

48 Kid A  Nov 17, 2014 6:46:25pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

WHAT GLOBAL WARMING??!!11!

49 jaunte  Nov 17, 2014 6:47:19pm

“…It was the day after that Paffrath says he was called into the office again. This time, he says the hotel chain’s director of security was there to fire him. And some of the things he said were hard to swallow for this man who served three years in the navy.

“He called me a terrorist and said I dishonorably served my country for posting those pictures and the short video,” he said. Then, “He gave me a threat that if I were to repost the pictures that I would be locked up and have DHS knocking on my door and all that other stuff.”

50 jaunte  Nov 17, 2014 6:49:09pm

It’s getting awfully paranoid out there.

51 Kid A  Nov 17, 2014 6:49:50pm

re: #49 jaunte

What in the fuck?

52 De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2014 6:50:42pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

Currently it is now 18° here in Columbus and headed for a low of 9° tonight/early morning. Unprecedented for this time of the year

That puts a damper on my internal whining about it going down to 20° tonight here in NYC. Now whatta I got to whine about? I got nothin’, man, nothin’!!!!

53 teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2014 6:52:33pm

16° currently at my location. I’m lovin’ it! Plus we got a meter of snow recently for the ski areas. Yay!

54 BeachDem  Nov 17, 2014 6:52:45pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

No problem on space at all at the moment. I’ll let everyone know if it becomes an issue, but it’s not even close right now.

I have a question about stored images. Everytime I upload one, it stores 3 different versions. Plus, I have some that I’ve uploaded that I only wanted to post once and have no need to keep in the image library.

Is there a way to delete individual images from the image library? (there’s probably a really simple way, but I’m kind of an idjit.)

55 darthstar  Nov 17, 2014 6:54:36pm

re: #50 jaunte

It’s getting awfully paranoid out there.

The more St. Louis PD acts like a bunch of dicks, the happier I am that we beat their asses in the NLDS and their cross-state rivals, KC in the World Series.

Me, I’m hoping the Grand Jury comes down with an indictment - let the legal system fail in the courts but at least have a trial - and ignoring all the racist posturing by Missouri’s government.

56 #FergusonFireside  Nov 17, 2014 6:56:33pm

re: #50 jaunte

It’s getting awfully paranoid out there.

The deck is soooooo stacked.

57 Kragar  Nov 17, 2014 6:58:56pm
58 jaunte  Nov 17, 2014 6:59:27pm

Except the ones with cameras.

59 Kragar  Nov 17, 2014 7:02:23pm
60 Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2014 7:02:29pm

re: #54 BeachDem

You can go to the full-screen Image Library (the link is in the user menu at upper right) and delete the 125 and 240 thumbnail images from there. But you need to be careful not to delete the image that was posted in your comment or Page.

61 De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2014 7:04:26pm

re: #49 jaunte

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Not to defend his former employers for firing him, but if he was so interested in why there were all those HS vehicles around, perhaps this former tar and budding conspiracy theorist should’ve asked around instead of immediately going full metal social network Nancy Drew. As with any job, it’s called being a professional.

62 BeachDem  Nov 17, 2014 7:06:50pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

You can go to the full-screen Image Library (available from the user menu at upper right) and delete the 125 and 240 thumbnail images from there. But you need to be careful not to delete the image that was posted in your comment or Page.

I figured it would be something simple (that I would be totally incapable of figuring out on my own!)

So, would the images that posted generally be the largest version?

63 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 17, 2014 7:08:21pm

re: #61 De Kolta Chair

Not to defend his former employers, but if he was so interested in why there were all those HS vehicles around, perhaps this former tar should’ve asked around instead of going full metal social network Nancy Drew. As with any job, it’s called being a professional.

As with many things, discretion is the better part of valor… finding a middle way between ignoring things and standing on a hilltop saying “I’M A TARGET” is probably wise.

64 #FergusonFireside  Nov 17, 2014 7:10:22pm

re: #61 De Kolta Chair

Not to defend his former employers, but if he was so interested in why there were all those HS vehicles around, perhaps this former tar and budding conspiracy theorist should’ve asked around instead of going full metal social network Nancy Drew. As with any job, it’s called being a professional.

If you see something, say something.

65 jaunte  Nov 17, 2014 7:10:46pm

re: #61 De Kolta Chair

Not to defend his former employers, but if he was so interested in why there were all those HS vehicles were around, perhaps this former tar should’ve asked around instead of going full metal Nancy Drew. It’s called being a professional.

I don’t know what this guy’s job was, but I would have looked to the ‘head of security’ to let the staff know that certain visitors were not to be mentioned.

66 Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2014 7:13:12pm

Night Lizards.

67 #FergusonFireside  Nov 17, 2014 7:15:07pm

Yep.

Protesters for justice are basically fucked. They just want a fricking Trial. not another justified killing by police.

68 Snarknado!  Nov 17, 2014 7:19:02pm

re: #30 Bubblehead II

Thanks. BTW, another question. Will I get a notification prior to my subscription expiring? Would be nice to know when I needed to renew.

Mine just renewed. No notification that I can find, my credit card was charged automatically. (Which is a bit rude, by the way — is there some way to set up automatic notification a few weeks before the charge is made? It happens that I was in the South Pacific at the time, and if I hadn’t set things up with a contingency plan for unexpected charges, I might have found myself in some trouble when I got back.)

69 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 17, 2014 7:19:24pm

This shit just never ever ends well dammit.

Saw the 60’s stuff as a little kid, Saw all the Vietnam stuff, Kent State etc. Went through the riots about Martin Luther King. Then much later Rodney King. Then there was the the downtown DNC anarchist shit.

We just don’t learn.

70 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 17, 2014 7:22:28pm

AAaaaaaaggghhhh!!

Yahoo Mail has finally embedded a spam ad in their email service that even Adblock can’t get rid of.

It’s so horrible, I might quit Yahoo Mail after 16 years.

I have like a bazilliion accounts linked to the Yahoo Mail, how can I change them all to my Gmail account?

71 #FergusonFireside  Nov 17, 2014 7:23:46pm

re: #69 Indy GOP Refugee

This shit just never ever ends well dammit.

Saw the 60’s stuff as a little kid, Saw all the Vietnam stuff, Kent State etc. Went through the riots about Martin Luther King. then much later Rodney King. Then there was the the downtown DNC anarchist shit.

We just don’t learn.

Because an unfair, unjust, fearful hierarchy of power has been established. And the ones in power will maintain that no matter what,

72 dholmes32  Nov 17, 2014 7:24:08pm

re: #44 darthstar

Got up to 70 today. Saw people wearing jackets after work on the elevator…asked them why. “It’s November, it’s starting to get cold.” Bullshit.

Are you in Phoenix? It’s always funny to run an errand in shorts and a t-shirt when it’s about 60 degrees outside and see kids bundled up in big puffy coats on their way to the junior high. I don’t get that at all.

73 #FergusonFireside  Nov 17, 2014 7:26:10pm

levity, I lol’d. That photo.

74 ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2014 7:30:02pm

re: #69 Indy GOP Refugee

This shit just never ever ends well dammit.

Saw the 60’s stuff as a little kid, Saw all the Vietnam stuff, Kent State etc. Went through the riots about Martin Luther king. then much later Rodney King. Then there was the the downtown DNC anarchist shit.

We just don’t learn.

Some just don’t want to learn. They are fine being exactly who they are. In fact, anymore it seems to be a damn celebration of pride in who they are.

That is why this could be more dangerous than all the stuff in the past you saw.

I keep in mind the whole Cliven Bundy thing in Nevada. I can’t remember a time when a group of citizens armed themselves like they did and then went and had a standoff with Feds. Sure, there have been standoffs like Ruby Ridge and Waco with smaller groups. Look how they turned out.

Now the times are even crazier than the 90s and there sure are a lot more guns and ammo involved too. It does not bode well.

What happens if outside groups start thinking the police and guard are protecting the protesters? Outside groups might end up going off on both protesters and police/guard. What happens then?

I do not want to come of like some kind of paranoid wacko. I just have a real uneasy feeling based on the times and what we have been seeing. Stuff has a tendency to come to a head before the pressure drops. To me the pressure is still going up.

75 Eventual Carrion  Nov 17, 2014 7:31:00pm

re: #70 Vicious Piebola

AAaaaaaaggghhhh!!

Yahoo Mail has finally embedded a spam ad in their email service that even Adblock can’t get rid of.

It’s so horrible, I might quit Yahoo Mail after 16 years.

I have like a bazilliion accounts linked to the Yahoo Mail, how can I change them all to my Gmail account?

I just deactivated my twitter account. The last ‘promoted by’ shit. Fuck that, I didn’t follow them. Don’t know if I will go back.

76 Lidane  Nov 17, 2014 7:31:05pm
77 retired cynic  Nov 17, 2014 7:32:27pm

re: #76 Lidane

Oh, yeah, that’ll fix it!

78 ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2014 7:33:11pm

re: #70 Vicious Piebola

AAaaaaaaggghhhh!!

Yahoo Mail has finally embedded a spam ad in their email service that even Adblock can’t get rid of.

It’s so horrible, I might quit Yahoo Mail after 16 years.

I have like a bazilliion accounts linked to the Yahoo Mail, how can I change them all to my Gmail account?

What ad is that? I have my ATT account through Yahoo and their servers. I’d like to be aware of the ad so I can watch how my virus programs react.

79 jaunte  Nov 17, 2014 7:33:16pm

re: #76 Lidane

“This liberal democrat plans on voting for fetal personhood, because he’s concerned about government surveillance.”

80 Jenner7  Nov 17, 2014 7:36:16pm

re: #76 Lidane

Psst, then you’re not a liberal democrat. Idiot.

81 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 17, 2014 7:36:33pm

re: #74 ObserverArt

Yeah, well FWIW for the most part the anticipation/ratings hunt/ click bait thing makes a big monster in advance that simply does not happen. *fingers crossed* For every serious riot there were many false forecasts.

82 ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2014 7:40:02pm

re: #81 Indy GOP Refugee

Yeah, well FWIW for the most part the anticipation/ratings hunt/ click bait thing makes a big monster in advance that simply does not happen. *fingers crossed* For every serious riot there were many false forecasts.

I would be very glad to be wrong.

By the way. If people wonder why the NSA and other organizations check people out on the ‘net, this would be a fine example. I bet both Facebook and Twitter have some key word flagging going on.

83 Lidane  Nov 17, 2014 7:40:40pm

re: #80 Jenner7

Psst, then you’re not a liberal democrat. Idiot.

Seriously.

Rand Paul voters aren’t liberals. If they think they are, they’re stupid.

84 Pip's Squeak  Nov 17, 2014 7:42:33pm

re: #76 Lidane

I don’t like Clinton either, but Paul is nuts. Moreover, dynasties are a bane of American politics. Paul is no help here either.

85 #FergusonFireside  Nov 17, 2014 7:44:19pm

re: #84 Pip’s Squeak

I don’t like Clinton either, but Paul is nuts. Moreover, dynasties are a bane of American politics. Paul is no help here either.

Paul is one of the best examples of no work, dynasty got him there.

86 Floral Giraffe  Nov 17, 2014 7:46:50pm

Tuva and throat singers make me think of Richard Fineman!

87 De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2014 7:51:57pm

re: #73 Resident of The United States of Jesus


Grumpy cat is a puppet of The Man, man!!!

88 BeachDem  Nov 17, 2014 7:53:06pm

re: #76 Lidane

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What. a. bunch. of. dudebro. hooey.

“Paging Charles P. Pierce—Mr. Pierce, would you please explain the 5-minute rule to Mr. Liberal Democrat , H.A. Goodman.”

I like how he skims right over all social and civil rights issues.
He doesn’t want to dismantle Social Security. I do disagree with his view of the SNAP Program and certain other issues. However, Paul has stated, “I’m for a social safety net, but it should be minimized to helping those who can’t help themselves.”

So, it will be OK with Mr. Liberal Democrat if people starve to death as long as “Rand Paul could bring back an era in American politics when conservatives and liberals socialized with one another.”

89 ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2014 7:54:08pm

Later all. Think warm thoughts…over half the country could use them.

90 teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2014 7:59:28pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

You can go to the full-screen Image Library (the link is in the user menu at upper right) and delete the 125 and 240 thumbnail images from there. But you need to be careful not to delete the image that was posted in your comment or Page.

This is good to know. I know the smaller images are helpful to integrate images into posts, but my image library has ballooned and it’s a little harder to find images I want to post that I posted before.

Thanks Charles!

91 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 17, 2014 8:01:14pm

re: #76 Lidane

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Beyond eyeroll. That’s a Smack them into next week moment.

92 De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2014 8:04:34pm

Just a thought before drifting off to Snoozeville, USA — All these third-rate thugs running around creating chaos in this country and the world almost makes me nostalgic for the second-rate thugs of the past.

93 teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2014 8:07:25pm

There, my image library is all cleaned up!

94 #FergusonFireside  Nov 17, 2014 8:08:07pm

I found a new love - white beans with jalapenos. I made another batch tonight, and then got a ton of meat out of my cumin lime chicken, then boiled the carcass & made broth. A great night in the kitchen, and lunch/dinner for a week. Happy night. Another day ahead.

95 BlueSpotinAL  Nov 17, 2014 8:23:28pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

Currently it is now 18° here in Columbus and headed for a low of 9° tonight/early morning. Unprecedented for this time of the year.

Damn you polar vortex!!!

That is all. I bitch because 1 week ago it was almost 60°+ and last Tuesday was almost 70°. That is not enough time for adjustment. Brrrrr.

Son in Law is outside all night in Cincinnati tonight, low of 8° predicted. wcpo.com

96 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 17, 2014 8:32:11pm

45F here in Philly and not supposed to drop below freezing for another five hours or so. Getting windy though.

97 freetoken  Nov 17, 2014 8:39:57pm

Well, it’s not so cold here on the left coast. But we have a red flag warning. Dry it has been, since our meager third of an inch of rain a few weeks ago. There is a slight chance of rain this coming weekend. Since January 1st San Diego has only had a bit over 3” of rain.

98 teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2014 8:47:17pm
99 teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2014 8:50:43pm

Holy shit I have almost 3,000 pages of media in my LGF Media Library, that’s almost 75,000 pieces of media. I shudder at the thought of how much media is stored in, say, Charles’s LGF Media Library.

100 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 17, 2014 8:53:44pm

You know what’s scary?

If the Grand Jury doesn’t indict, we might have a lot more Mike Browns on our hands in the coming days.

101 teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2014 8:54:57pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

Holy shit I have almost 3,000 pages of media in my LGF Media Library, that’s almost 75,000 pieces of media. I shudder at the thought of how much media is stored in, say, Charles’s LGF Media Library.

Oh jeez! I just realized that I indeed was looking at the entire LGF Media Library, not just my own.

Still, very impressive amount of media stored.

102 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 17, 2014 9:01:13pm

Joe Bonamassa fans in?

Woke Up Dreaming.

That’s some fine guitar work right there.
Spotify
Video

YouTube
Video

103 teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2014 9:02:46pm

re: #102 Indy GOP Refugee

Joe Bonamassa fans in?

Love me some Joe Bonamassa. His Twitter account is pure guitar porn.

104 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 17, 2014 9:06:56pm

Good night all. Tis one of my rare nights off so it’s time to sleep when humans are supposed to sleep.

L8ter.

105 BeachDem  Nov 17, 2014 9:08:42pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

Oh jeez! I just realized that I indeed was looking at the entire LGF Media Library, not just my own.

Still, very impressive amount of media stored.

OK==you answered my question before I could ask it. Now I see how to find my media contributions; which is nice, because up till now, when I was being redundant and re-posting something, I had been going back to the original source and doing it all over again.

Live and learn—it just takes me a bit longer than most.

106 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 17, 2014 9:09:13pm

re: #97 freetoken

Well, it’s not so cold here on the left coast. But we have a red flag warning. Dry it has been, since our meager third of an inch of rain a few weeks ago. There is a slight chance of rain this coming weekend. Since January 1st San Diego has only had a bit over 3” of rain.

Dragon_Lady put a small grennhouse for orchids out in the Chatsworth area. Gonna be an interesting place to grow species orchids. Sunday was 50 mph gusts and the structure is holding conditions pretty well. She put auto timed misting and drip watering in. Next up-Mat heating system & internet monitoring of temp and humidity,then maybe a web cam. Then maybe internet control of the systems. Might be interesting to climate control a greenhouse from an android phone.

107 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 17, 2014 9:17:30pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

Oh jeez! I just realized that I indeed was looking at the entire LGF Media Library, not just my own.

Still, very impressive amount of media stored.

How many of them are cat or pet pictures?

108 Kragar  Nov 17, 2014 9:25:31pm
109 Targetpractice  Nov 17, 2014 9:29:38pm

re: #108 Kragar

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Knowing Jackson’s films, the studio would demand he pad it out into three movies, with options on a sequel.

110 Kragar  Nov 17, 2014 9:30:39pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

Knowing Jackson’s films, the studio would demand he pad it out into three movies, with options on a sequel.

Just so long as they don’t do a musical

111 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 17, 2014 9:43:56pm

Woah Woah Woah!
Why Are All the Sea Stars Dying?

Sea star wasting disease (SSWD) has been known for several decades at least, but the current outbreak is so noteworthy both because of its geographical extent, and because it can attack some twenty species of asteroid sea stars - that is, those of the taxonomic class Asteroidea. First, the body becomes limp. Then it grows lesions, and eventually the star’s arms detach and walk away, leaving the rest of the sea star to literally disintegrate.

o_0

There’s a video of the process at the link.

112 BeachDem  Nov 17, 2014 9:44:54pm

Paul Krugman, talking about everyone’s favorite, Ron Fournier
(bold mine.)

Well, I’ve know for years that many political pundits don’t think that understanding policy is part of their job. But this is still extreme. And I’m sorry to go after an individual here — but for God’s sake, don’t you have to know something about the actual content of a policy you critique?

And what’s actually going on here is worse than ignorance. It’s pretty clear that we’re watching a rule of thumb according to which if Republicans are against a proposal, that means it must be leftist and extreme, and the burden on the White House is to find a way to make the GOP happy. Needless to say, this rewards obstructionism — there is literally nothing Obama can do to convince some (many) pundits that he’s making a good faith effort, because they don’t pay any attention to what he does, only to the Republican reaction.

krugman.blogs.nytimes.com

113 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 17, 2014 9:47:01pm

re: #112 BeachDem

That’s a very good takedown.

114 Targetpractice  Nov 17, 2014 9:56:04pm

re: #112 BeachDem

Paul Krugman, talking about everyone’s favorite, Ron Fournier
(bold mine.)

Well, I’ve know for years that many political pundits don’t think that understanding policy is part of their job. But this is still extreme. And I’m sorry to go after an individual here — but for God’s sake, don’t you have to know something about the actual content of a policy you critique?

And what’s actually going on here is worse than ignorance. It’s pretty clear that we’re watching a rule of thumb according to which if Republicans are against a proposal, that means it must be leftist and extreme, and the burden on the White House is to find a way to make the GOP happy. Needless to say, this rewards obstructionism — there is literally nothing Obama can do to convince some (many) pundits that he’s making a good faith effort, because they don’t pay any attention to what he does, only to the Republican reaction.

krugman.blogs.nytimes.com

As Matt Yglesias noted in the article Krugman borrows from, the GOP has known since the President took office that any failure to convince them to reach a “bipartisan” agreement would be blamed on him, so they’ve had every incentive to be as confrontational as possible. We actually saw that in action during the Bush years, when Democrats were the ones lambasted for the White House’s refusal to compromise or “come to the table” with the opposition. The Cult of Bipartisanship seems to have collectively reached a consensus that Republicans will never compromise, so Democrats are the ones who must sacrifice their ideals “for the good of the people.”

115 BeachDem  Nov 17, 2014 9:59:28pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

As Matt Yglesias noted in the article Krugman borrows from, the GOP has known since the President took office that any failure to convince them to reach a “bipartisan” agreement would be blamed on him, so they’ve had every incentive to be as confrontational as possible. We actually saw that in action during the Bush years, when Democrats were the ones lambasted for the White House’s refusal to compromise or “come to the table” with the opposition. The Cult of Bipartisanship seems to have collectively reached a consensus that Republicans will never compromise, so Democrats are the ones who must sacrifice their ideals “for the good of the people.”

Krugman does credit Ygelsias—I just picked some other parts of his rant.

Your last line—Democrats are the ones who must sacrifice their ideals “for the good of the people” is ever so ironic, because, at least from where I’m standing, Democratic ideals are all about the good of the people—the other guys, not so much.

116 teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2014 10:01:39pm
117 BeachDem  Nov 17, 2014 10:20:04pm

Governor Jay Nixon of Missouri seems to be doing all he can to assure that, whatever the grand jury decides in the case of Officer Darren Wilson, the killer of an unarmed teenager named Michael Brown, whatever the reaction within the community at large is, that it will collide with the full force of state power, more than likely aimed at those people who take exception to the rule that police officers get to shoot down teenagers for walking in the street — or, more precisely, for not knowing their place. He has declared a state of pre-emptive emergency, which will reassure nobody.

Make no mistake. This is a threat, pure and simple, and it is not aimed at people on both sides of this issue. In fact, it is a rather clear indication that Nixon feels that the grand jury is going to no-bill Wilson, and that Nixon is telling anyone who may be angered by that development that he is willing to do almost anything to keep their responses in check…

esquire.com

118 Targetpractice  Nov 17, 2014 10:25:51pm

re: #117 BeachDem

Governor Jay Nixon of Missouri seems to be doing all he can to assure that, whatever the grand jury decides in the case of Officer Darren Wilson, the killer of an unarmed teenager named Michael Brown, whatever the reaction within the community at large is, that it will collide with the full force of state power, more than likely aimed at those people who take exception to the rule that police officers get to shoot down teenagers for walking in the street — or, more precisely, for not knowing their place. He has declared a state of pre-emptive emergency, which will reassure nobody.

Make no mistake. This is a threat, pure and simple, and it is not aimed at people on both sides of this issue. In fact, it is a rather clear indication that Nixon feels that the grand jury is going to no-bill Wilson, and that Nixon is telling anyone who may be angered by that development that he is willing to do almost anything to keep their responses in check…

esquire.com

Charlie’s pointing out something that’s been obvious for awhile, namely that the local authorities are preemptively justifying the use of violence to put down the public outcry by spreading rumors about “danger” to cops. Between that and Nixon’s focus on the potential for property damage, it’s pretty obvious that they’re worried about only one thing: Keeping the locals in their place. This announcement today was effectively a warning that anybody who doesn’t meekly accept the no-bill and stay in their homes deserves whatever the cops do to them.

119 Snarknado!  Nov 17, 2014 10:32:40pm

I just heard a report on the BBC World Service about the Ferguson state of emergency. Whatever happens, the world will be watching. If there were anyone in the governor’s mansion besides Nixon (“what’s in a name?”), they might be shamed into taking some action.

And just maybe the greater community will finally take notice of what’s been happening. (If they don’t care what happens to the blahs, they might come to understand that this threatens everyone.)

120 BeachDem  Nov 17, 2014 10:42:39pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

Charlie’s pointing out something that’s been obvious for awhile, namely that the local authorities are preemptively justifying the use of violence to put down the public outcry by spreading rumors about “danger” to cops. Between that and Nixon’s focus on the potential for property damage, it’s pretty obvious that they’re worried about only one thing: Keeping the locals in their place. This announcement today was effectively a warning that anybody who doesn’t meekly accept the no-bill and stay in their homes deserves whatever the cops do to them.

Yep. I know many others have said much the same thing—I just always feel Pierce expresses it so well.

I’m sick just thinking about what’s going to happen. As Charlie says, “There is no way that this ends well.”

121 Targetpractice  Nov 17, 2014 10:44:09pm

A comment over at Balloon-Juice says it best:

Someone should ask Nixon directly: “Who is the National Guard there to protect?”

122 Viscous Obama  Nov 17, 2014 10:48:51pm
123 freetoken  Nov 17, 2014 10:53:51pm

re: #106 Indy GOP Refugee

Dragon_Lady put a small grennhouse for orchids out in the Chatsworth area. Gonna be an interesting place to grow species orchids. Sunday was 50 mph gusts and the structure is holding conditions pretty well. She put auto timed misting and drip watering in. Next up-Mat heating system & internet monitoring of temp and humidity,then maybe a web cam. Then maybe internet control of the systems. Might be interesting to climate control a greenhouse from an android phone.

The San Fernando valley area is, like many areas of SoCal, pretty straightforward for orchid growing, depending upon the kind of of orchids of course. The problem inland is more of being too hot and dry part of the year, for the cooler growing orchids.

124 Targetpractice  Nov 17, 2014 10:54:28pm

April 2014: Conservatives across the land come out in support of armed insurrection by “militias” over a white deadbeat rancher who refuses to comply with the law.

November 2014: Conservatives sit in utter silence while a state government announces what is effectively martial law for 30 days as a warning to potential outcry over a grand jury decision in the death of a black teen.

125 freetoken  Nov 17, 2014 11:03:46pm
126 freetoken  Nov 17, 2014 11:10:42pm

That one went out to all those in the middle of the country tonight, where winter warnings are saying wind-chill temps are going wayyy below zero tonight.

127 freetoken  Nov 17, 2014 11:16:24pm

It’s cold up there:

graphical.weather.gov

128 freetoken  Nov 17, 2014 11:17:56pm

Record snowfalls… record cold … GOREBULL WARMING!!!

129 Targetpractice  Nov 17, 2014 11:24:17pm

Somehow, it doesn’t surprise me that Yahoo took the time to actually set up a timer for Black Friday and then coded it to show up on every search page.

130 freetoken  Nov 18, 2014 12:16:42am
131 freetoken  Nov 18, 2014 1:26:48am
132 Amory Blaine  Nov 18, 2014 3:39:12am
133 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 4:37:22am

re: #78 ObserverArt

What ad is that? I have my ATT account through Yahoo and their servers. I’d like to be aware of the ad so I can watch how my virus programs react.

It’s “featured” spam emails, they are at the top of your email inbox and can’t be deleted.

134 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 4:40:36am

My daughter lives in Talbieh, very close to the Old City.

135 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 4:44:38am
136 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 4:54:54am
137 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 4:56:25am
138 lawhawk  Nov 18, 2014 5:09:20am

This attack killed four, injured eight others, including two police. The attack occurred at a shul in the Har Nof neighborhood of Jerusalem.

The attack is not just an affront for all the usual reasons, but the symbolism of attacking a shul and killing Jews while they are praying wont be lost on Israelis. It goes to the core of why Israel was founded, and will further harden the resolve of the Israeli govt and people to not deal with the Palestinian leadership because they still look at Fatah and Hamas leaders as inciting Palestinians to violence.

This is yet another in a series of attacks in and around Jerusalem in recent weeks, and it makes any kind of detente more difficult. Netenyahu will be under pressure to respond and go after Palestinian terror groups even more.

139 ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2014 5:33:46am

re: #133 Vicious Piebola

It’s “featured” spam emails, they are at the top of your email inbox and can’t be deleted.

I’ve had those up there for about a half year. I just ignore them and look at it as more advertising. Sure it sucks…but at least they are up on the Yahoo server and not coming into my computer.

You must have still had the original settings still running and just got updated. When I bought a new computer that I use for internet and downloading, that was what came in when I first logged onto the yahoo email pages.

140 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 5:45:05am

The school bus did not come for my granddaughter so my daughter decided to drive her. The ride normally takes 15 minutes but today it took 45 minutes and there were tons of police and ambulances on the road. It didn’t occur to her to turn on the car radio and it wasn’t until she got home that she learned what had happened. Her drive took her through Har Nof.

141 lawhawk  Nov 18, 2014 5:52:32am

The stupid, it burns:

The Supreme Court has already reviewed Obamacare. It ruled it constitutional albeit on tax grounds, and not on the general welfare clause. But the right wing wont be satisfied until it’s destroyed altogether. Millions now have health insurance because of Obamacare, but the GOP wants to eliminate all that.

And yet it doesn’t stop idiots from thinking that the Supreme Court should somehow repeal Obamacare because they didn’t read it all? Or understand the legislative history? Or that there were deals done to insure its passage (like every other piece of legislation enacted anywhere, ever?).

Like I said, the stupid burns.

142 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 18, 2014 6:02:49am

re: #140 Vicious Piebola

The school bus did not come for my granddaughter so my daughter decided to drive her. The ride normally takes 15 minutes but today it took 45 minutes and there were tons of police and ambulances on the road. It didn’t occur to her to turn on the car radio and it wasn’t until she got home that she learned what had happened. Her drive took her through Har Nof.

I saw an article about it over on MSNBC already. Raised the ante heavily on the escalating conflict again.

I think Hamas official response has been along the lines of “Good. Spill more blood.” while Abbas condemned it while also blaming Israel. John Kerry made a fairly strong statement condemning it, but that is to be expected. In fact, the statements by leaders so far have all been pretty predictable. Given that, it looks like another cycle of terrorism and killing is spiraling up that will solve nothing and just harden hearts further.

143 lawhawk  Nov 18, 2014 6:07:44am

re: #142 Feline Fearless Leader

And Fatah was caught red handed cheering the terror attack, before taking it down.

144 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 6:11:20am

I think it’s officially freakin’ Cold in my part of the world.

you?

145 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 6:12:57am

re: #135 Vicious Piebola

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146 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 18, 2014 6:13:13am

re: #144 FemNaziBitch

I think it’s officially freakin’ Cold in my part of the world.

you?

27 F this morning. Clear, but very windy.

Raised the blinds in the bedroom since it will be sunny. Will lose heat through the glass, but the room will get sun from now through early afternoon. Gives the FO’s the opportunity to bask while lying on the comforter.

147 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 6:16:49am

re: #119 Snarknado!

I just heard a report on the BBC World Service about the Ferguson state of emergency. Whatever happens, the world will be watching. If there were anyone in the governor’s mansion besides Nixon (“what’s in a name?”), they might be shamed into taking some action.

And just maybe the greater community will finally take notice of what’s been happening. (If they don’t care what happens to the blahs, they might come to understand that this threatens everyone.)

I am catching up on the Easy Rawlin’s Mystery series by Walter Mosley. I wish it were required reading in every white high school.

Mosley is a very gifted writer.

148 ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2014 6:18:34am

re: #144 FemNaziBitch

I think it’s officially freakin’ Cold in my part of the world.

you?

Likewise. 13° currently in Columbus with a ‘high’ of 21° today for a new record low high for the date. And add in 19-24 mph winds for some extra bite. Brrrrr. At least we didn’t get the 4-6” of snow. 2” or so at most. Hopefully they are right about there being 50° days coming this weekend.

149 lawhawk  Nov 18, 2014 6:18:54am

re: #144 FemNaziBitch

Cold yes. And the usual suspects think this is a sign global warming doesn’t exist.

Still, this cold weather is nothing compared with the lake effect snows on the downwind side of the Great Lakes. All that cold air is rushing over the still warm lakes, pumping all kinds of moisture into the air and turning into heavy snow over land. Friends outside Buffalo now have 4 feet of snow, and it’s still going. It’ll probably continue snowing for another 24 hours.

150 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 6:19:01am

This is a cool tool from the noaa.gov

151 Randall Gross  Nov 18, 2014 6:19:29am

It was 12.8 F when I woke up, but it’s warming now that the sun is up.

152 Randall Gross  Nov 18, 2014 6:20:26am

re: #149 lawhawk

… and worse, they still have a lot of above ground power in Buffalo.

153 lawhawk  Nov 18, 2014 6:20:50am
154 ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2014 6:23:19am

re: #153 lawhawk

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Good ol’ I-90. That highway gets shut down a lot in the winter from Erie PA to Rochester.

155 Franklin  Nov 18, 2014 6:24:24am

re: #149 lawhawk

156 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 6:25:14am
157 bill d  Nov 18, 2014 6:25:37am

re: #149 lawhawk

Glad to see that stupid rep get hammered in her comments.

One would think that a large part of her district is agriculture that she would at least try and keep up climate science a little?

158 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 6:28:07am

KKK Threatens ‘Lethal Force’ Against Ferguson Protesters And Appears on TV To Explain Why

Members of a Missouri-based Ku Klux Klan chapter sent a chilling message in Ferguson claiming they will use “lethal force” to defend themselves from “terrorists masquerading as ‘peaceful protesters.’”

The Traditionalist American Knights of the KKK distributed fliers saying protesters have “awakened a sleeping giant,” and that demonstrators have threatened the lives of law enforcement, the community and their families.

“You have been warned by the Ku Klux Klan!” the flier reads. “There will be consequences for your actions against the peaceful, law abiding citizens of Missouri.”

This is some serious shit.

159 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 18, 2014 6:31:27am

re: #158 FemNaziBitch

Blustering barely relevant bullshitters say wut?

160 darthstar  Nov 18, 2014 6:34:05am
161 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Nov 18, 2014 6:38:54am

re: #159 Indy GOP Refugee

Blustering barely relevant bullshitters say wut?

More like, “member of actual terrorist organization says what?”

Everybody should be reminded daily that the Klan used to be all about bombings and shootings.

162 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 6:41:18am

the disconnect is stunning:

163 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 18, 2014 6:43:17am

re: #144 FemNaziBitch

14 degrees here. High of 23 expected. :/

164 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 18, 2014 6:43:49am

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

the disconnect is stunning:

And one wonders why the turnout might be low in certain communities? When the candidates for both parties show such extreme disconnect.

165 BlueSpotinAL  Nov 18, 2014 6:45:22am

re: #161 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

More like, “member of actual terrorist organization says what?”

Everybody should be reminded daily that the Klan used to be all about bombings and shootings.

Bombingham.

166 makeitstop  Nov 18, 2014 6:48:22am

re: #146 Feline Fearless Leader

27 F this morning. Clear, but very windy.

Raised the blinds in the bedroom since it will be sunny. Will lose heat through the glass, but the room will get sun from now through early afternoon. Gives the FO’s the opportunity to bask while lying on the comforter.

It’s 31 here on my area of LI, but the temperature will be steadily dropping, reaching 24 by mid-afternoon. Honestly, I’m not really digging this too much.

167 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 6:50:37am

re: #164 Feline Fearless Leader

And one wonders why the turnout might be low in certain communities? When the candidates for both parties show such extreme disconnect.

The votes of those cadres on whom we are most reliant can’t be taken for granted. While the voters may not go over to the other side they might just not vote at all. The last thing we need is for one of our Senators to validate the notion that there’s no difference between the two parties.

168 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 6:55:05am

re: #160 darthstar

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169 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:00:41am

re: #155 Franklin

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Didn’t Paul Ryan do this too? It’s cold outside so climate change must be a myth. Yes, you aren’t scientists indeed GOP congresspeople, I don’t even think you’re fit to pass a 5th grade science class because clearly the difference between weather and climate confounds you.

170 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:01:49am
171 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:02:20am

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

the disconnect is stunning:

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What the fuck is her problem? Worst part is I don’t even think this is what she really believes but she thinks by sounding like this, she can get some of the “angry white” vote. Real fucking rich behavior from someone who is lucky to be in the Senate still because the GOP nominated a genuine lunatic for the position.

172 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:04:01am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

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173 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 18, 2014 7:04:23am

re: #171 HappyWarrior

What the fuck is her problem? Worst part is I don’t even think this is what she really believes but she thinks by sounding like this, she can get some of the “angry white” vote. Real fucking rich behavior from someone who is lucky to be in the Senate still because the GOP nominated a genuine lunatic for the position.

I guess the new motto of the Democratic Party at the state and local level is “running scared”.
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174 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:05:28am
Smug television broadcasts in Russia and China have wildly exaggerated the sickness of which Ferguson is a symptom. But it is real enough. The police in and around Ferguson have shot and killed twice as many people in the past two weeks (Mr Brown plus one other) as the police in Japan, a nation of 127m, have shot and killed in the past six years. Nationwide, America’s police kill roughly one person a day (see chart).
175 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:07:28am

re: #174 FemNaziBitch

It’s a very real problem. Honestly, if there weren’t so many armed Americans, I’d be serious in considering an unarmed police force like Britain. Maybe that’s too far but something has to be done about this. And it doesn’t help that you have prosecutors like McCulloch who think the police can do no wrong.

176 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:09:28am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

It’s a very real problem. Honestly, if there weren’t so many armed Americans, I’d be serious in considering an unarmed police force like Britain. Maybe that’s too far but something has to be done about this. And it doesn’t help that you have prosecutors like McCulloch who think the police can do no wrong.

I’d favor teaching firearm safety and gun laws in high school, but I don’t think that would go over well.

Maybe at least, gun laws.

177 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:09:34am

re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader

I guess the new motto of the Democratic Party at the state and local level is “running scared”.
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Pretty much. Let’s run scared- that will get people to vote for us. What she has to realize is those bigots aren’t going to vote for her anyhow because they associate the Democratic Party with everything they hate about modern America and it’s going to end up alienating more people that normally would vote Democratic than not. The lack of sympathy given to Brown’s family has been astounding. A family lost their son and then there are those assholes in the media who never knew Michael Brown who want to make him out to be some “thug” because he did things many teenage boys do.

178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 18, 2014 7:11:30am

re: #177 HappyWarrior

there are those assholes in the media who never knew Michael Brown who want to make him out to be some “thug” because he did things many teenage boys do was black.

179 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:11:33am

re: #176 FemNaziBitch

I’d favor teaching firearm safety and gun laws in high school, but I don’t think that would go over well.

Maybe at least, gun laws.

I dunno. I’ve been thinking more about the police themselves and the kind of people that are hired to be police officers lately. More training would be good.

180 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:12:18am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

For sure but they bring up the weed smoking, amateur rapping, etc. They don’t come out and say he was a thug because he was black. We know the underlining whistle there though.

181 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 7:12:55am

re: #158 FemNaziBitch

Members of a Missouri-based Ku Klux Klan chapter sent a chilling message in Ferguson claiming they will use “lethal force” to defend themselves from “terrorists masquerading as ‘peaceful protesters.’”

Not to worry: it’s certain that the various dragnets of internet traffic and cellphone use have identified the authors of these threats and their associates. Why I’d bet that even now they’re all under direct surveillance by the FBI and their homes are being raided by ATF. Or not.

If any organization whose members were largely people of color, any color but white, issued such a threat their doors would have already been kicked in. The government’s forbearance at the armed antics at Bundy Ranch only emboldened the armed lunatics. There will be blood, if not at Ferguson then at somewhere else.

182 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:12:57am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I’ve been thinking more about the police themselves and the kind of people that are hired to be police officers lately. More training would be good.

I think, at some point, they absorb the training they want to absorb.

A person either values the life of another, or they don’t.

Perhaps we should have better psych screenings for new hires.

183 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 7:13:06am

So helpful

184 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:13:44am

re: #181 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Not to worry: it’s certain that the various dragnets of internet traffic and cellphone use have identified the authors of these threats and their associates. Why I’d bet that even now they’re all under direct surveillance by the FBI and their homes are being raided by ATF. Or not.

If any organization whose members were largely people of color, any color but white, issued such a threat their doors would have already been kicked in. The government’s forbearance at the armed antics at Bundy Ranch only emboldened the armed lunatics. There will be blood, if not at Ferguson then at somewhere else.

Oh great, then well get to hear them shout “Big Brother”

I’m beginning to value Big Brother.

185 iossarian  Nov 18, 2014 7:13:44am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

It’s a very real problem. Honestly, if there weren’t so many armed Americans, I’d be serious in considering an unarmed police force like Britain. Maybe that’s too far but something has to be done about this. And it doesn’t help that you have prosecutors like McCulloch who think the police can do no wrong.

You could have a mix - the UK has gone the other way from an almost totally unarmed force to a blend of unarmed beat officers and armed backup/response units.

It’s also worth pointing out that “unarmed” is being used in a US-specific way. UK police officers carry batons and pepper spray - you can do some serious damage with those batons.

It’s part of the US gun culture problem, though, isn’t it? Even though 99% of beat officer interactions have no need of a gun, and the 1% that do will in any case involve backup, people would freak out if you suggested taking their guns away.

186 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:15:13am

re: #185 iossarian

You could have a mix - the UK has gone the other way from an almost totally unarmed force to a blend of unarmed beat officers and armed backup/response units.

It’s also worth pointing out that “unarmed” is being used in a US-specific way. UK police officers carry batons and pepper spray - you can do some serious damage with those batons.

It’s part of the US gun culture problem, though, isn’t it? Even though 99% of beat officer interactions have no need of a gun, and the 1% that do will in any case involve backup, people would freak out if you suggested taking their guns away.

The gun culture is a big problem as you get at. Good point about unarmed meaning something different. I do think a part of the problem is the culture. The whole good guys shooting bad guys.

187 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:15:25am

re: #185 iossarian

You could have a mix - the UK has gone the other way from an almost totally unarmed force to a blend of unarmed beat officers and armed backup/response units.

It’s also worth pointing out that “unarmed” is being used in a US-specific way. UK police officers carry batons and pepper spray - you can do some serious damage with those batons.

It’s part of the US gun culture problem, though, isn’t it? Even though 99% of beat officer interactions have no need of a gun, and the 1% that do will in any case involve backup, people would freak out if you suggested taking their guns away.

I’d probably be one of those people.

We live in a country in which the part of police power that is respected is their ability to use a firearm.

188 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:15:50am

re: #182 FemNaziBitch

I think, at some point, they absorb the training they want to absorb.

A person either values the life of another, or they don’t.

Perhaps we should have better psych screenings for new hires.

I was talking about the psych screenings yesterday. A lizard informed me that they do psych screenigns of applicants but I am not sure to what extent.

189 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:17:17am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

I was talking about the psych screenings yesterday. A lizard informed me that they do psych screenigns of applicants but I am not sure to what extent.

A sociopath will pass them anyway.

As usual, my only answers are Comprehensive Sex Ed and Cost-Free Birth Control.

190 iossarian  Nov 18, 2014 7:17:40am

re: #187 FemNaziBitch

I’d probably be one of those people.

We live in a country in which the part of police power that is respected is their ability to use a firearm.

Right, but that’s why the gun culture circularity is so damaging. At some point you have to step outside the self-reinforcing structure of “having a gun means having power, therefore powerful people have guns, therefore I must have a gun…”

One way to do that is to recognize that many police officers can do their jobs perfectly well, and maintain order, without a gun.

191 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:18:13am

re: #189 FemNaziBitch

A sociopath will pass them anyway.

As usual, my only answers are Comprehensive Sex Ed and Cost-Free Birth Control.

We need that too. But because discussing sex in a non-shameful way infuriates so many, tis but a pipedream.

192 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:18:53am
193 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:19:50am

re: #190 iossarian

Right, but that’s why the gun culture circularity is so damaging. At some point you have to step outside the self-reinforcing structure of “having a gun means having power, therefore powerful people have guns, therefore I must have a gun…”

One way to do that is to recognize that many police officers can do their jobs perfectly well, and maintain order, without a gun.

Well, POWER that cannot be enforced is not power.

I don’t have the answer.

194 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:20:20am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

We need that too. But because discussing sex in a non-shameful way infuriates so many, tis but a pipedream.

Teaching the law is a good start.

Then biology.

195 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:21:29am
196 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:21:46am

re: #194 FemNaziBitch

Teaching the law is a good start.

Then biology.

Yep no arguments from me. Honestly, part of the problem is and I don’t know since I don’t have children but when I was a kid, one could withdraw from sex ed their parents found the subject too distasteful. I really don’t like that.

197 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 7:24:28am

I’m waiting for Glenn Greenwald’s inevitable pronouncement that Teh Juice had it coming.

198 lawhawk  Nov 18, 2014 7:26:44am

re: #197 Vicious Piebola

I’m waiting for Glenn Greenwald’s inevitable pronouncement that Teh Juice had it coming.

While praying, no less.

199 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 7:32:19am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

I was talking about the psych screenings yesterday. A lizard informed me that they do psych screenigns of applicants but I am not sure to what extent.

Screening of new applicants for the police is a good idea. I think that reviews at intervals by a psychologist or psychiatrist would be a good idea as well. It would take a very special person to not have their outlook poisoned by the simple fact that almost all of their transactions on the job are negative ones. Nobody calls the cops because things are going well. No motorist expresses gratitude to the officer who pulls them over for drunk driving or doing 50 in a school zone. There’s also the possibility that many cops are suffering undiagnosed PTSD.

I’m not excusing anyone’s behavior. I’m suggesting that there seems to be little emphasis nationally on doing what can be done to keep cops from going bad.

200 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 7:35:47am
201 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:36:10am

re: #199 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Screening of new applicants for the police is a good idea. I think that reviews at intervals by a psychologist or psychiatrist would be a good idea as well. It would take a very special person to not have their outlook poisoned by the simple fact that almost all of their transactions on the job are negative ones. Nobody calls the cops because things are going well. No motorist expresses gratitude to the officer who pulls them over for drunk driving or doing 50 in a school zone. There’s also the possibility that many cops are suffering undiagnosed PTSD.

I’m not excusing anyone’s behavior. I’m suggesting that there seems to be little emphasis nationally on doing what can be done to keep cops from going bad.

Getting cops out of the Man box about mental heath treatment might be a good thing.

Breaking-up their jobs a bit —2 years on the beat —2 years doing community Outreach in another part of the state —2 years back on the beat —2 years teaching at the police academy or community college.

Some how we have to expand the cop culture to circumvent their preference to lie for each other.

202 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 7:36:49am
203 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:37:07am

re: #197 Vicious Piebola

I’m waiting for Glenn Greenwald’s inevitable pronouncement that Teh Juice had it coming.

I love when individuals take it upon themselves to do God’s work —like judging people for him.

204 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:37:18am

re: #199 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Screening of new applicants for the police is a good idea. I think that reviews at intervals by a psychologist or psychiatrist would be a good idea as well. It would take a very special person to not have their outlook poisoned by the simple fact that almost all of their transactions on the job are negative ones. Nobody calls the cops because things are going well. No motorist expresses gratitude to the officer who pulls them over for drunk driving or doing 50 in a school zone. There’s also the possibility that many cops are suffering undiagnosed PTSD.

I’m not excusing anyone’s behavior. I’m suggesting that there seems to be little emphasis nationally on doing what can be done to keep cops from going bad.

Right good points. The other thing also and I am glad you brought up PTSD is a good amount of young cops are returning veterans. It seems to me that psych screening is done but i think yes more needs to be done.

205 Whack-A-Mole  Nov 18, 2014 7:37:57am

I think new officers should spend their first year on the job without a gun with more experienced officers in the vicinity to provide backup if needed. Let them learn how to police using the other tools available to them (such as verbal deescalation techniques, etc.) before giving them the option of lethal force.

206 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:39:45am
207 Belafon  Nov 18, 2014 7:42:55am
I’d probably be one of those people.

We live in a country in which the part of police power that is respected is their ability to use a firearm.

Where we should be is a country that respects the police because they are the only ones authorized to use force, which doesn’t always include using a weapon. Instead, in a number of states everyone can use force, just like the police, How do you fear someone (which is what you mean by respect in this case) if you can do what they can? And why would the cops accept limits that don’t exist on the general population?

208 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:43:36am

I’m so tired of this meme —party labels in history mean nothing.

209 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 7:44:49am

re: #201 FemNaziBitch

Getting cops out of the Man box about mental heath treatment might be a good thing.

Breaking-up their jobs a bit —2 years on the beat —2 years doing community Outreach in another part of the state —2 years back on the beat —2 years teaching at the police academy or community college.

Some how we have to expand the cop culture to circumvent their preference to lie for each other.

Good points all. Your point about moving cops around is particularly well taken. Having experienced the bonding that takes place in a combat unit I can only imagine the extremes that it might reach if you were in the same unit for much of your career. Extended bonding may be one of the reasons that cops lie for each other.

210 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:45:16am

re: #207 Belafon

Where we should be is a country that respects the police because they are the only ones authorized to use force, which doesn’t always include using a weapon. Instead, in a number of states everyone can use force, just like the police, How do you fear someone (which is what you mean by respect in this case) if you can do what they can? And why would the cops accept limits that don’t exist on the general population?

shooting a cop has dire consequences. Shooting an individual has dire consequences only if you are black and you shoot a white person.

I’m going back to bed

211 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:45:58am

re: #209 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Good points all. Your point about moving cops around is particularly well taken. Having experienced the bonding that takes place in a combat unit I can only imagine the extremes that it might reach if you were in the same unit for much of your career. Extended bonding may be one of the reasons that cops lie for each other.

I think police departments can get kinda inbred.

212 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:47:30am
213 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:48:27am

re: #208 FemNaziBitch

I’m so tired of this meme —party labels in history mean nothing.

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And yet the Republicans in Congress just last year were the ones that weakened the Voting Rights Act. And as I’ve said countless times, if the Republicans were as serious as these revisionists claim to they were about civil rights, they wouldn’t have nominated an opponent of the most important civil rights legislation for president. But I’ve always seen civil rights being about region and ideology. Further north and liberal you were the more likely you were to oppose civil rights, further south, more likely to be conservative oppose. Anyone who actually believes the Democrats of the antebellum and reconstruction South were liberals is kidding themselves. Their attitude to states rights was actually very similar to the right’s now.

214 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 7:48:31am

re: #211 FemNaziBitch

I think police departments can get kinda inbred.

It could be that the Us vs Them attitude begins with “Them” being active wrongdoers and then slowly expands until “Them” becomes anyone not a cop.

215 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 7:49:59am

re: #208 FemNaziBitch

I’m so tired of this meme —party labels in history mean nothing.

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Send them this:

And this:

216 FemNaziBitch  Nov 18, 2014 7:50:40am

bbl

217 Romantic Heretic  Nov 18, 2014 7:51:13am

re: #176 FemNaziBitch

I’d favor teaching firearm safety and gun laws in high school, but I don’t think that would go over well.

Maybe at least, gun laws.

Firearms should be like driving a car. Required levels of training, and bans for those who have illnesses that make them more likely to use firearms irresponsibly. Higher requirements and levels of training for more complex and/or powerful firearms.

Hell, by the standards I would set up I, personally, would not be allowed to own them.

It will never happen in the States though. As I’ve said before for too many people America is a religion and firearms are the religion’s holy icons.

218 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 7:52:16am

I spent a large part of my early childhood in Buffalo. Don’t miss this at all…

219 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:55:07am

re: #217 Romantic Heretic

Firearms should be like driving a car. Required levels of training, and bans for those who have illnesses that make them more likely to use firearms irresponsibly. Higher requirements and levels of training for more complex and/or powerful firearms.

Hell, by the standards I would set up I, personally, would not be allowed to own them.

It will never happen in the States though. As I’ve said before for too many people America is a religion and firearms are the religion’s holy icons.

That’s a big part of the problem to me. Firearms are religion to people. That image of the older woman with the gun, American flag, and the bible illustrates what you’re getting at perfectly.Where to own guns is the ultimate expression of Americanism and to not own guns is somehow not American.

220 lawhawk  Nov 18, 2014 7:55:17am

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

I lived upstate for a decade, but Western NY takes winters to a whole different place with those lake effect storms.

If you’re in a lake effect band, you can get multiple feet of snow. A few miles away, it could be sunny and not a flake is falling.

With the lakes still open water, a wider area than usual is seeing heavy snow.

221 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 7:55:43am
222 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 7:56:02am

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

I spent a large part of my early childhood in Buffalo. Don’t miss this at all…

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I hate the winter soooooo much. First real cold day of the year here. Teens in the morning.

223 Romantic Heretic  Nov 18, 2014 7:58:59am

re: #221 Vicious Piebola

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And so the cycle of dehumanization continues.

224 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 8:00:39am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

I hate the winter soooooo much. First real cold day of the year here. Teens in the morning.

It was 15F when I got up to reload the woodstove at 5 am. It’s up to 17 now (forecast high for today is 22, then dropping down to 13 tonight).
Not looking forward to hauling water out to the barn today.

225 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:03:43am

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was 15F when I got up to reload the woodstove at 5 am. It’s up to 17 now (forecast high for today is 22, then dropping down to 13 tonight).
Not looking forward to hauling water out to the barn today.

Yeah I don’t blame you at all. Last winter was the first time in a long time it got below 0 here and I had quite a walk from the Metro stop to my office. I had the foresight thankfully to have bought a pair of really good gloves that December.

226 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 8:06:29am

So I’m driving in to work this morning and my tire pressure gauge on the dashboard goes off LOW TIRE PRESSURE!!!1!!!!

I pulled into a gas station and put air in all 4 tires (because the tire gauge doesn’t tell you which tire) and the indicator light is still on.

The guys at work explained that happens when it gets really, really cold, it doesn’t mean I have a flat tire.

Good thing I work at a place that can resolve car issues. :)

227 Jenner7  Nov 18, 2014 8:07:28am

re: #135 Vicious Piebola

Truly horrifying. My thoughts are with their families.

228 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 8:07:40am
229 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:10:13am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

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For a man who’s a Rhodes Scholar, Jindal acts like a real bonafide dumbass sometimes. I’m not sure it’s an act or if he really is that lame. It’s sad either way.

230 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 18, 2014 8:12:35am

re: #214 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It could be that the Us vs Them attitude begins with “Them” being active wrongdoers and then slowly expands until “Them” becomes anyone not a cop.

It starts to feed on itself as the non-wrongdoers will treat the cops at arms length out of basic self-preservation. If a uniform indicates that the person there can arbitrarily make your life miserable (or end it) and will probably face minor repercussions for it, you step carefully.

231 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 18, 2014 8:13:30am

re: #229 HappyWarrior

For a man who’s a Rhodes Scholar, Jindal acts like a real bonafide dumbass sometimes. I’m not sure it’s an act or if he really is that lame. It’s sad either way.

He knows that if he comes across as educated, he will be seen by his constituency as some sort of elitist. That is the sad & scary part

232 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 8:14:45am
233 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:15:05am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He knows that if he comes across as educated, he will be seen by his constituency as some sort of elitist. That is the sad & scary part

Yeah I think you’re right there.

234 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 8:15:11am
235 Jenner7  Nov 18, 2014 8:15:12am

So, I wake up and these two things make me want to hulk smash:

Hear that Democrats?? Rand fucking Paul is saying more on Ferguson and civil rights than Democrats. Let that sink in.

theatlantic.com

Jonathan Turley guys. I. Just. Can’t.

236 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 8:16:00am
237 Jenner7  Nov 18, 2014 8:18:24am

And then this, sweet jeebus:

WATCH: Scarborough Rages Over Threats Against Officer Darren Wilson

talkingpointsmemo.com

Okay, I’m lost. What are the threats against Darren Wilson, or is Joe just taking police word for it??

238 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 8:19:41am

re: #229 HappyWarrior

For a man who’s a Rhodes Scholar, Jindal acts like a real bonafide dumbass sometimes. I’m not sure it’s an act or if he really is that lame. It’s sad either way.

Lemme see now; I’m a highly educated Rhodes Scholar in the state of Louisiana. I have boundless political ambition. My best course is to:

a) Use my education to craft nuanced stands on the issues.
b) Act like I never made it out of Fifth Grade.

And you’re right: whether Jindal is an educated dummy or whether he’s playing to the crowd it’s sad. It’s also cynical as hell if it’s the latter.

239 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:19:57am

re: #237 Jenner7

And then this, sweet jeebus:

WATCH: Scarborough Rages Over Threats Against Officer Darren Wilson

talkingpointsmemo.com

Okay, I’m lost. What are the threats against Darren Wilson, or is Joe just taking police word for it??

Probably people who want to have him actually tried for killing people. It’s the same crap I read in comments on the story that people want a “lynching” of Wilson which is so fucking laughable given what happened here.

240 ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2014 8:21:28am

re: #208 FemNaziBitch

I’m so tired of this meme —party labels in history mean nothing.

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re: #215 Vicious Piebola

Send them this:

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I love that you both try to stave off the RWNJ insanity…but they hold onto those old memes just like they do their bibles and guns. They will need to be pried from their cold dead hands.

There will be no changing them. Proud ignorance is a very real thing.

241 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:21:49am

re: #238 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Lemme see now; I’m a highly educated Rhodes Scholar in the state of Louisiana. I have boundless political ambition. My best course is to:

a) Use my education to craft nuanced stands on the issues.
b) Act like I never made it out of Fifth Grade.

And you’re right: whether Jindal is an educated dummy or whether he’s playing to the crowd it’s sad. It’s also cynical as hell if it’s the latter.

It’s a shame too. A guy with that kind of education could do a lot of good but instead he chooses to act like yeah he never passed the fifth grade. He’s such a shithead.

242 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 8:22:38am
243 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 8:23:15am

re: #235 Jenner7

Hear that Democrats?? Rand fucking Paul is saying more on Ferguson and civil rights than Democrats. Let that sink in.

They remain terrified that the people who wouldn’t vote for them won’t vote for them. Meanwhile, the people who might vote for them are wondering why they should.

244 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:23:37am

Well with this latest act of terror in Israel, I’m sure we’re going to be hearing that POTUS sympathizes with the murderers from the usual suspects.

245 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:24:30am

re: #235 Jenner7

So, I wake up and these two things make me want to hulk smash:

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Hear that Democrats?? Rand fucking Paul is saying more on Ferguson and civil rights than Democrats. Let that sink in.

theatlantic.com

Jonathan Turley guys. I. Just. Can’t.

It’s beyond pathetic. Rand Paul may be an asshole but he to his credit is willing to talk about this, a subject that too many prominent national Democrats run away from.

246 gwangung  Nov 18, 2014 8:25:32am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

It’s beyond pathetic. Rand Paul may be an asshole but he to his credit is willing to talk about this, a subject that too many prominent national Democrats run away from.

Just like on immigration…and that silence had to hurt Dems.

247 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:25:52am

re: #243 Higgs Boson’s Mate

They remain terrified that the people who wouldn’t vote for them won’t vote for them. Meanwhile, the people who might vote for them are wondering why they should.

Precisely. I think this all goes back to the 60’s when the Dems got labeled soft on crime and they’ve been running scared from that label ever since. There’s something very wrong when Rand fucking Paul makes more sense on something than Reid or Pelosi.

248 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 8:26:48am

But soon, I think…soon.
:D

249 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:27:18am

re: #246 gwangung

Just like on immigration…and that silence had to hurt Dems.

Right, and I see that McCaskill is bellyaching about the president doing exec action on immigration- something he should have done before the midterms. Higgs is right on, too often the Dems act in fear that people who won’t vote for them likely anyhow won’t vote for them and while they do that, those who might vote for them are wondering why the hell we should.

250 sagehen  Nov 18, 2014 8:28:55am

re: #246 gwangung

Just like on immigration…and that silence had to hurt Dems.

“In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

251 ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2014 8:29:08am

re: #226 Vicious Piebola

So I’m driving in to work this morning and my tire pressure gauge on the dashboard goes off LOW TIRE PRESSURE!!!1!!!!

I pulled into a gas station and put air in all 4 tires (because the tire gauge doesn’t tell you which tire) and the indicator light is still on.

The guys at work explained that happens when it gets really, really cold, it doesn’t mean I have a flat tire.

Good thing I work at a place that can resolve car issues. :)

Usually they go off if the pressure drops even 1 pound. Sometimes they take a good while to reset when you do bring the pressure back up, but you have to make sure you are at the level they are set for or above.

The other thing to remember, if the light comes on the dash and stays solid, it is just a warning the pressure is lower than the setting. if it flashes, they you have a real issue of rapid deflation.

I know, I had the rapid deflation thing happen to me last winter. One of my winter tires had a hell of a hole in it. I must have driven over something hidden in the snow and never realized it until the light flashed.

252 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:29:11am

The Republicans are assholes but they seem to know they’re assholes and are quite happy to stand up and say “We’re the asshole party.” The Democrats seem to lack an identity at this point. There really needs to be A) better recruitment of candidates and B) more candidates willing to wear liberalism as a badge of virtue. I don’t know about guys but I’m proud to be a liberal. I’m proud to believe in an ideology that keeps on looking for a better America and that is responsible for much of the progress we’ve made as a nation since our founding.

253 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 18, 2014 8:30:01am

re: #237 Jenner7

And then this, sweet jeebus:

WATCH: Scarborough Rages Over Threats Against Officer Darren Wilson

talkingpointsmemo.com

Okay, I’m lost. What are the threats against Darren Wilson, or is Joe just taking police word for it??

Maybe it’s just the threat of being put on trial.
//

254 Jenner7  Nov 18, 2014 8:30:35am

re: #246 gwangung

And I think back to what FDR did on his own, through executive action, what Reagan did, what GHWB did. But Obama’s “shredding the constitution”.

255 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 8:31:28am
256 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 8:32:35am

I will not complain about the cold here in the backwoods:

(That last one would make a great beer cooler…)

257 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 8:34:38am

My daughter says she’s scared now because my granddaughter’s school is near Shuafat.

What kind of a way is that to live?

258 gwangung  Nov 18, 2014 8:34:55am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Right, and I see that McCaskill is bellyaching about the president doing exec action on immigration- something he should have done before the midterms. Higgs is right on, too often the Dems act in fear that people who won’t vote for them likely anyhow won’t vote for them and while they do that, those who might vote for them are wondering why the hell we should.

One of the things that led the 2008 wave is that they were FOR something.

Just trying to hang on, acting on defense, isn’t going to win votes.

259 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:35:14am

themarshallproject.org
Posted from the SPLC’s facebook page. We have a serious problem with criminal justice in this country and I blame a lot of it on ambitious prosecutors who would rather be seen as “tough on crime” than actual real justice.

260 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 8:35:46am
261 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 8:35:52am

re: #246 gwangung

Just like on immigration…and that silence had to hurt Dems.

Democratic politicians are whistling past the graveyard if they think that mute passivity on important issues is going to win over voters. Republicans are good for taking stands and pushing them even if those stands are repugnant to many. More and more, Democrats are looking like they’re good for nothing.

262 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:36:44am

re: #258 gwangung

One of the things that led the 2008 wave is that they were FOR something.

Just trying to hang on, acting on defense, isn’t going to win votes.

Running away from your accomplishments etc. I mean it’s just sad. In 2008, President Obama had the biggest win by a Democrat at the polls since Lyndon Johnson. It should have been an opportunity for a true renaissance of liberalism in this country but no. And not all of it of course is the Dems’ fault but they had an opportunity and they blew it.

263 ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2014 8:37:13am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

It’s beyond pathetic. Rand Paul may be an asshole but he to his credit is willing to talk about this, a subject that too many prominent national Democrats run away from.

Right now Rand Paul is jumping on any hot issue. He is running for president one way or another.

The question really should be, is he honest or just positioning and doing it with sound bites.

I for one do not trust him. He IS Rand Paul. And as everyone says, give him five minutes and he will veer off into Paul-talk and sound like an insane idiots.

264 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:38:14am

re: #263 ObserverArt

Right now Rand Paul is jumping on any hot issue. He is running for president one way or another.

The question really should be, is he honest or just positioning and doing it with sound bites.

I for one do not trust him. He IS Rand Paul. And as everyone says, give him five minutes and he will veer off into Paul-talk and sound like an insane idiots.

I don’t trust him either but he is talking about it. I agree with you. I don’t trust him either but you and I know what a scumbucket he is. The general population? Less so.

265 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 8:38:56am

Ben you are a fucking asshole. I just got through reading Jeffrey’s article at The Atlantic. Just shut your incredibly stupid pie hole.

266 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:40:55am

I’d really like to see the Dems leadership get younger too. I mean maybe that’s unfair but optics do mean something. If the Dems are going to stand as the party of the future and change, I just don’t think it feels right if they’re trotting out Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi out there as the Congressoinal leaders. It’s time for new leadership.

267 ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2014 8:41:14am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

I will not complain about the cold here in the backwoods:

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(That last one would make a great beer cooler…)

Yikes. Now that is a lot of snow. The dog looks to be considering if he can leap into though.

268 Ace-o-aces  Nov 18, 2014 8:41:56am

re: #265 Vicious Piebola

269 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:42:40am

re: #268 Ace-o-aces

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Yep or how Obama agrees with the attack.

270 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 8:43:21am

re: #220 lawhawk

Yep, lake effect snow is really something.

271 ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2014 8:44:16am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

I’d really like to see the Dems leadership get younger too. I mean maybe that’s unfair but optics do mean something. If the Dems are going to stand as the party of the future and change, I just don’t think it feels right if they’re trotting out Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi out there as the Congressoinal leaders. It’s time for new leadership.

As a 60 year old (and young in spirit) I agree totally. Add in that Reid and Pelosi both have been defined negatively by the Repubs for a long time and I think even the Democrat voters start to believe they need to go.

272 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:44:19am

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep, lake effect snow is really something.

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That’s crazy. Is that a phenomenon of all natural lakes or just the Great Lakes in particular?

273 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:46:25am

re: #271 ObserverArt

As a 60 year old (and young in spirit) I agree totally. Add in that Reid and Pelosi both have been defined negatively by the Repubs for a long time and I think even the Democrat voters start to believe they need to go.

Right. I mean I hate to use the age card but really they really need new leadership and also new prominent Democrats who are young. What the Republicans have been doing since Obama’s election is trotting people out like Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, etc as the face of their party. Now they have the ideology of old men but they are young guys. I think the Democratic leadership can’t ignore the optics of youth.

274 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 8:47:44am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

That’s crazy. Is that a phenomenon of all natural lakes or just the Great Lakes in particular?

Weather Channel has a page explaining it: weather.com

275 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:47:48am

And I know some will disagree because they like her and hell I like her too but I don’t know if Hillary Clinton is the answer for the next Democratic candidate for president. Now, I am not naive. I realize that any Democratic candidate is going to be heavily attacked but what I want a candidate is that can set up the Democratic Party nicely not just for 2016 but for 2016 and beyond.

276 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:47:58am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

Weather Channel has a page explaining it: weather.com

Cool thanks.

277 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 8:48:29am

re: #263 ObserverArt

Right now Rand Paul is jumping on any hot issue. He is running for president one way or another.

The question really should be, is he honest or just positioning and doing it with sound bites.

I for one do not trust him. He IS Rand Paul. And as everyone says, give him five minutes and he will veer off into Paul-talk and sound like an insane idiots.

Trust him or not, and we don’t because we know more about him than what’s presented on the evening news, Paul is speaking out. Five minutes is forever on televised news so I doubt that there’s much awareness of Paul-talk outside of places like LGF. Essence is perception and if Paul becomes perceived as a champion of civil rights and immigration rights then the reality is that he’ll get the votes of many for whom those are key issues.

278 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 8:49:06am

re: #275 HappyWarrior

And I know some will disagree because they like her and hell I like her too but I don’t know if Hillary Clinton is the answer for the next Democratic candidate for president. Now, I am not naive. I realize that any Democratic candidate is going to be heavily attacked but what I want a candidate is that can set up the Democratic Party nicely not just for 2016 but for 2016 and beyond.

Hillary is horrifically unpopular but they’re going with her because “it’s her turn”

279 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:51:19am

re: #278 Vicious Piebola

Hillary is horrifically unpopular but they’re going with her because “it’s her turn”

Yep and that strikes me as a mistake. Seems to me the best presidential candidates the Dems have offered in recent years have been people like Obama and ironically enough Hillary’s own husband who “skipped” their turn in line. I just wish Biden were both younger and had more fundraising power, I really like him and I think he would he a better president than Hillary.

280 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 8:54:19am

re: #268 Ace-o-aces

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281 ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2014 8:54:38am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

That’s crazy. Is that a phenomenon of all natural lakes or just the Great Lakes in particular?

Great Lakes in general. Have you ever been around them. They are some of the largest bodies of fresh water lakes in the world.

This year (as both I and Lawhawk have been posting in the last couple days) the perfect snow machine is set up and cranking out the snow big time. The lakes are still warm waters. And with the big dip in the polar air this early, the lakes haven’t had a time to get cold and freeze over. This is truly a unique event being so early in the season.

The prevailing winds are west to east, or northwest to southeast…so from Cleveland Ohio to Syracuse it got the name The Snowbelt for a very real reason. Lake Erie and Lake Ontario are the snow makers.

And then next week it will probably warm back up into the 50s and the lakes will stay in the 40s water temp wise, and this could well go on into December or longer.

I still remember when I was first up in the Buffalo and Niagara area, even east of there all the way to Syracuse, old houses had doors coming out of the second floor. No porch around them…just for when those big snows and drifting hits and you had to use the second floor door and some snow shoes to go out. I’m thinking this year may be one of those years those doors were intended to be used.

282 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:56:07am

re: #281 ObserverArt

Great Lakes in general. Have you ever been around them. They are some of the largest bodies of fresh water lakes in the world.

This year (as both I and Lawhawk have been posting in the last couple days) the perfect snow machine is set up and cranking out the snow big time. The lakes are still warm waters. And with the big dip in the polar air this early, the lakes haven’t had a time to get cold and freeze over. This is truly a unique event being so early in the season.

The prevailing winds are west to east, or northwest to southeast…so from Cleveland Ohio to Syracuse it got the name The Snowbelt for a very real reason. Lake Erie and Lake Ontario are the snow makers.

And then next week it will probably warm back up into the 50s and the lakes will stay in the 40s water temp wise, and this could well go on into December or longer.

I still remember when I was first up in the Buffalo and Niagara area, even east of there all the way to Syracuse, old houses had doors coming out of the second floor. No porch around them…just for when those big snows and drifting hits and you had to use the second floor door and some snow shoes to go out. I’m thinking this year may be one of those years those doors were intended to be used.

Nah never been up in the area before. Amazing though and I thought our weather (Delmarva) was unpredictable.

283 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 8:56:19am

re: #278 Vicious Piebola

Hillary is horrifically unpopular but they’re going with her because “it’s her turn”

But, but, but, she’ll get the women’s vote. Let us not forget Vice-President Ferraro and the ways that Sarah Palin’s presence on the ticket contributed to President McCain’s sweep.

284 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:57:12am

re: #280 Vicious Piebola

OH LOOK RIGHT ON SCHEDULE==>

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No one said he wasn’t a predictable shit head who probably blames Obama for the fact that he’s a loathsome troll.

285 ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2014 8:59:19am

re: #277 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Trust him or not, and we don’t because we know more about him than what’s presented on the evening news, Paul is speaking out. Five minutes is forever on televised news so I doubt that there’s much awareness of Paul-talk outside of places like LGF. Essence is perception and if Paul becomes perceived as a champion of civil rights and immigration rights then the reality is that he’ll get the votes of many for whom those are key issues.

No argument from me. Paul is a sly fox no doubt. That is one reason I harp on our lack of media. They do tend to let him and others ramble on with nary a question about what he would actually do. In many ways…we as citizens of the U.S. may well be screwed if we can not get anyone to hold politicians feet to the fire.

286 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 8:59:46am

re: #283 Higgs Boson’s Mate

But, but, but, she’ll get the women’s vote. Let us not forget Vice-President Ferraro and the ways that Sarah Palin’s presence on the ticket contributed to President McCain’s sweep.

The whole thing that bothers me about is it almost feels like a coronation. One thing I respect about Dem primary voters for president is they don’t do the next in line thing like the Republicans do. I mean if you look at the Republican nominees going back to Nixon in ‘60 a lot of them have been people who were simply next in line. The Dems meanwhile have done wild cards more. It’s risky of course but as I said, I think it would be a great disservice to just let Hillary get the nomination with little opposition. If she wins the nomination so be it but she needs to earn it just like her husband and Obama did.

287 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 9:00:12am
288 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 9:00:23am

re: #281 ObserverArt

I remember one winter in the early 1960s, we woke up one morning to find the snow halfway up my bedroom window (on the second floor).
My father had to take the storm door off the hinges and then tunnel out.
It was the only time I remember school in Buffalo being cancelled due to snow. My father worked as news director/traffic reporter for WEBR and the radio station sent its traffic copter to pick him up for work.

289 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 9:01:57am

I’m interested in seeing who Hillary surrounds herself with this time and how she campaigns. I don’t know about you guys but I was turned off big time by her tone when she ran against Obama in 2008. It’s part of why I supported him over her.

290 ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2014 9:03:16am

re: #278 Vicious Piebola

Hillary is horrifically unpopular but they’re going with her because “it’s her turn”

There does seem to be an undercurrent of discontent with her as the candidate. It is still two years out, so a lot can change. I do not think she has it made quit yet. She will be hard to shake out, but it has happened before.

I hope there are young Democrats seriously discussing this right now. There better be. Or hello Republican control for some time. And then change will only come when people realize they have been screwed.

291 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 9:03:54am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

I’m interested in seeing who Hillary surrounds herself with this time and how she campaigns. I don’t know about you guys but I was turned off big time by her tone when she ran against Obama in 2008. It’s part of why I supported him over her.

Hillary will surround herself with “Yes People” and will campaign by telling whatever crowd she speaking to what her handlers tell her they want to hear “and you know what I’m talkin’ about girl friend!”

292 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 9:04:24am

re: #291 Vicious Piebola

Hillary will surround herself with “Yes People” and will campaign by telling whatever crowd she speaking to what her handlers tell her they want to hear “and you know what I’m talkin’ about girl friend!”

I’m afraid you’re probably right.

293 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 9:05:57am

re: #290 ObserverArt

There does seem to be an undercurrent of discontent with her as the candidate. It is still two years out, so a lot can change. I do not think she has it made quit yet. She will be hard to shake out, but it has happened before.

I hope there are young Democrats seriously discussing this right now. There better be. Or hello Republican control for some time. And then change will only come when people realize they have been screwed.

I used to be somewhat active in young Democratic circles but I’ve decided that I want nothing to do with politics as a career since I got my degree. Just as we all know a nasty business. I don’t think Hillary is a sure fire loser at the polls in two years fwiw but I do think it’s not the walk in the park that her supporters think it will be. They forget that a lot of people will be very very eager to oppose her in any way possible.

294 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 9:07:33am

Ben Shapiro probably is too young to remember, but there were about 1500 Jews killed in random terror attacks from 2001-2005.

295 Archangelus  Nov 18, 2014 9:09:57am

re: #257 Vicious Piebola

My daughter says she’s scared now because my granddaughter’s school is near Shuafat.

What kind of a way is that to live?

A terrible one, pure and simple…
I used to go buy at the market in Tira (an all-Arab Israeli town in the central region five minutes away from Kfar Saba and Ra’anana) like countless other Israelis without any hesitation, even during the height of the nasty conflict in 2001-2003. Even during the worst of it all (before i headed back to the US and later returned to the country), not a single Jewish shopper was even remotely worried about going there.
A few months ago during Operation Protective Edge, Israeli vehicles were ambushed by hostile Palestinians at the city entrance and torched, with passengers and drivers dragged out, beaten and nearly lynched.
Today, the city - which has heavily relied on Jewish shoppers more than 20 years - is a ghost town. A friend of mine who has been going there for ages told me how when he nearly entered the city by mistake a week ago (the key road leading there has always been narrow and doesn’t really have any places to stop and make a u-turn until you reach the city entrance) , his little kids quickly became utterly terrified, as was he for a brief moment. What he told me then still sticks and applies: “even then I rationally knew there shouldn’t be any reason to be afraid of going in like before. But that small, small, ridiculously small monstrous possibility we have to deal with? It’s too terrible to ignore, and it’s what dominates in the end, no matter how unlikely.”

296 ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2014 9:21:27am

One last comment before getting going…I freaking hate Joe Scarborough. I just watched that video linked up above with him grilling Claire McCaskill and he is just being an ass. Of course that is his usual persona but damn. I can’t figure why anyone watches that idiot.

And did I see something where he is getting another show, maybe online that he will go on into the afternoon called MoJoe??? Ugh. That is our media. Everything will become FOX news because it sells.

I might have to do a photoshop of Joe just to get this upset out of my system!

297 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 9:25:49am
298 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 9:28:04am
299 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 18, 2014 9:31:04am

re: #200 Vicious Piebola

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Thanks. I wrote that down in my journal.

300 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 9:31:50am
301 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 9:43:37am
302 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 9:47:35am
303 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 9:55:23am
304 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 9:58:28am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How very Christian of him. How about actually doing something about the conditions that get them on food stamps in the first Governor Shithead instead of this bullshit about how you’re doing them a favor by cutting them off something that makes their lives a little bit easier.

305 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 9:58:57am

Republican ideology in short. Tax cuts for our wealthy buddies are more important than poor people being able to eat.

306 Mike Lamb  Nov 18, 2014 9:59:45am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is that like embiggening? Ennobling appears to be a very cromulent thing to do.

307 sagehen  Nov 18, 2014 10:00:03am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

The whole thing that bothers me about is it almost feels like a coronation. One thing I respect about Dem primary voters for president is they don’t do the next in line thing like the Republicans do. I mean if you look at the Republican nominees going back to Nixon in ‘60 a lot of them have been people who were simply next in line. The Dems meanwhile have done wild cards more. It’s risky of course but as I said, I think it would be a great disservice to just let Hillary get the nomination with little opposition. If she wins the nomination so be it but she needs to earn it just like her husband and Obama did.

oh, puhleeze. The Dems do “next-in-line” just as much.

Truman had been VP. Adlai Stevenson had two runs. JFK was well-known, a hugely influential party apparatchik whose father had spent decades gearing up for him to run. LBJ was VP. Humphrey was VP. Mondale was VP. Gore was VP. Clinton had an oddly open run because GHWB had such high approval ratings in early ‘91 that anybody with any sense or stature was planning to wait ‘til next time.

McGovern and Obama are the only real wild cards.

308 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 10:00:54am

re: #307 sagehen

oh, puhleeze. The Dems do “next-in-line” just as much.

Truman had been VP. Adlai Stevenson had two runs. JFK was well-known, a hugely influential party apparatchik whose father had spent decades gearing up for him to run. LBJ was VP. Humphrey was VP. Mondale was VP. Gore was VP. Clinton had an oddly open run because GHWB had such high approval ratings in early ‘91 that anybody with any sense or stature was planning to wait ‘til next time.

McGovern and Obama are the only real wild cards.

And Carter

309 Mike Lamb  Nov 18, 2014 10:01:31am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ennobling…GOPese for “eat your cake, bitchez”.

310 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:02:55am

re: #307 sagehen

oh, puhleeze. The Dems do “next-in-line” just as much.

Truman had been VP. Adlai Stevenson had two runs. JFK was well-known, a hugely influential party apparatchik whose father had spent decades gearing up for him to run. LBJ was VP. Humphrey was VP. Mondale was VP. Gore was VP. Clinton had an oddly open run because GHWB had such high approval ratings in early ‘91 that anybody with any sense or stature was planning to wait ‘til next time.

McGovern and Obama are the only real wild cards.

Fair enough. It just seemed more a gap since the Republicans have seemingly nominated every recent second place finisher from the previous primary.

311 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 10:03:02am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What they really want is to force people to work for no pay in order to collect their “food stamps”

312 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:03:18am

re: #308 Vicious Piebola

And Carter

Yeah Carter definitely was a legitimate wild card.

313 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:04:39am

It was a good point made about Wal-Mart that they create more people being on welfare and food stamps by paying their employees like shit. RWNJs can’t have it both ways. They can’t encourage employers to pay terribly and then cut off benefits. Well that is unless they want a permanent underclass which I’m starting to believe they do because they need the poor as both a scapegoat and someone for them to feel morally superior to.

314 Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2014 10:04:41am

By the way, you can now delete images from the popup Image Library, as well as from the Image Library page.

315 Mike Lamb  Nov 18, 2014 10:06:10am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

It was a good point made about Wal-Mart that they create more people being on welfare and food stamps by paying their employees like shit. RWNJs can’t have it both ways. They can’t encourage employers to pay terribly and then cut off benefits. Well that is unless they want a permanent underclass which I’m starting to believe they do because they need the poor as both a scapegoat and someone for them to feel morally superior to.

Sure seems like they are doing just that—without repercussion.

316 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:06:59am

re: #315 Mike Lamb

Sure seems like they are doing just that—without repercussion.

True. Assholes.

317 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:07:36am

I’m starting to think that some Republicans would favor a return to feudalism judging by the attitudes I see directed at the poor by their officials and supporters.

318 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 10:07:57am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

It was a good point made about Wal-Mart that they create more people being on welfare and food stamps by paying their employees like shit. RWNJs can’t have it both ways. They can’t encourage employers to pay terribly and then cut off benefits. Well that is unless they want a permanent underclass which I’m starting to believe they do because they need the poor as both a scapegoat and someone for them to feel morally superior to.

319 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:08:47am

re: #318 Vicious Piebola

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They’re “geniuses” though and we can’t hinder their “genius” by expecting them to pay their employees well nor expect them to pay their share in taxes. To go with that, it’s absolutely appalling that simply by being born into the Walton family, the Walton heirs will be worth more by birth than over 90% of all Americans.

320 retired cynic  Nov 18, 2014 10:09:51am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Sure they can. They DO.

321 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 10:10:35am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

They’re “geniuses” though and we can’t hinder their “genius” by expecting them to pay their employees well nor expect them to pay their share in taxes. To go with that, it’s absolutely appalling that simply by being born into the Walton family, the Walton heirs will be worth more by birth than over 90% of all Americans.

I’ll bet Alice Walton is pissed right now that she can’t buy the entire Detroit art collection

322 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:10:40am

re: #320 retired cynic

Sure they can. They DO.

I meant in debate. In practice, yeah they do and have been doing it for years.

323 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:11:35am

re: #321 Vicious Piebola

I’ll bet Alice Walton is pissed right now that she can’t buy the entire Detroit art collection

My heart goes out.// But really what conservatism is being defined more and more as in this country is a bizarro marriage between oligarchy, feudalism, and unrestrained capitalism.

324 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 10:13:08am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

My heart goes out.// But really what conservatism is being defined more and more as in this country is a bizarro marriage between oligarchy, feudalism, and unrestrained capitalism.

But actual capitalism IS being restrained. Mom ‘n’ Pops can’t compete with the Multinationals.

325 Mike Lamb  Nov 18, 2014 10:13:18am

re: #322 HappyWarrior

I meant in debate. In practice, yeah they do and have been doing it for years.

You are talking about the same group that railed about “pain at the pump”, who are now “just asking questions” about whether cheap gas is a bad thing. Expecting intellectual honesty from these people is a fool’s errand.

326 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:13:52am

re: #324 Vicious Piebola

But actual capitalism IS being restrained. Mom ‘n’ Pops can’t compete with the Multinationals.

Yep. It’s more a form of corporatism than capitalism that’s for sure.

327 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:14:10am

re: #325 Mike Lamb

You are talking about the same group that railed about “pain at the pump”, who are now “just asking questions” about whether cheap gas is a bad thing. Expecting intellectual honesty from these people is a fool’s errand.

True be that.

328 lawhawk  Nov 18, 2014 10:18:39am

Global warming denialists will point at the huge lake effect snowfalls and claim that they disprove global warming.

That ignores all the science that show just how extreme lake effect snowfalls are only going to increase in coming years and decades because it requires open fetches of lake waters and a burst of cold air to send the lake effect snows landward.

Warmer air carries more moisture than cold air. Oscillation in where the jet stream runs can mean that you get extended periods of time where cold air rushes over the warmer lakes, building up huge lake effect snow totals. It’s all basic science - basic meteorology and climatology.

And a slight change in the wind direction can mean the snows set up in one spot (training) while other areas nearby get nothing. Buffalo downtown has gotten just a few inches. A few miles south? Up to 4 feet, and another couple of feet are likely. I’ve seen that around Orchard Park, they’re looking at up to 41 inches of new snow by tomorrow morning. Or more.

And that’s on top of what’s already fallen. Some places in the Northeast don’t get that much in an entire season. They’re getting it in the span of a few hours.

329 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 10:18:59am

Interesting factoid: Kentucky is the only southern state where Democrats control a chamber of the state legislature.

cincinnati.com

330 BeachDem  Nov 18, 2014 10:20:51am

re: #215 Vicious Piebola

Send them this:

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I love both of those graphics (just wish someone would correct the spelling of Association on the MLK one.)

331 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 10:22:08am

re: #317 HappyWarrior

I’m starting to think that some Republicans would favor a return to feudalism judging by the attitudes I see directed at the poor by their officials and supporters.

They wouldn’t mind feudalism one bit. And their voters would go right along with it as long as the designated serfs were liberals, atheists or people of color. The conservatives will not rest until only the right kind of people have coat hangars with which to roast sparrows over an open fire.

332 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 10:22:24am

re: #330 BeachDem

I love both of those graphics (just wish someone would correct the spelling of Association on the MLK one.)

Thanks for pointing that out!

I did not create this meme but I’ll fix it tonight when I get home.

333 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 10:25:18am
334 Lidane  Nov 18, 2014 10:32:38am

re: #317 HappyWarrior

I’m starting to think that some Republicans would favor a return to feudalism judging by the attitudes I see directed at the poor by their officials and supporters.

The GOP have been advocating for feudalism in all but name ever since they started trying to sell the bullshit known as “trickle down economics”. These days, they’d happily sell out every constitutional right we have in this country to the highest bidder.

335 Lidane  Nov 18, 2014 10:33:53am

Gotta love that GOP minority outreach:

336 BeachDem  Nov 18, 2014 10:37:08am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Probably people who want to have him actually tried for killing people. It’s the same crap I read in comments on the story that people want a “lynching” of Wilson which is so fucking laughable given what happened here.

Totally fries my ass that McCaskill talks about the “rush to judgment” of the black community. What a bunch of horse manure.

337 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 18, 2014 10:38:32am

re: #314 Charles Johnson

I found I am having trouble inserting images into a page. I had to rewrite my page on Nixon and communists 3 times after I tried to insert a picture and something strange would erase everything.

338 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:41:32am

re: #335 Lidane

Gotta love that GOP minority outreach:

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You know what, I don’t even care. If the Democrats get votes from these immigrants for not being total dickwads to them like the GOP more power to them. I hope they do and I hope naturalized immigrants play a role in ending Lamar Smith’s political career. The GOP had a chance to make some inroads with immigrant communities but they chose to be the modern incarnation of the Know Nothing Party on immigration rather than see immigrants as human beings.

339 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 18, 2014 10:41:37am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

They’re “geniuses” though and we can’t hinder their “genius” by expecting them to pay their employees well nor expect them to pay their share in taxes. To go with that, it’s absolutely appalling that simply by being born into the Walton family, the Walton heirs will be worth more by birth than over 90% of all Americans.

But by being the very sperm and egg combos that happened they proved they were Galtian super producers.

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340 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 10:41:59am

re: #335 Lidane

Rep. Lamar Smith: Dems want immigration action to get votes of “those from other countries”

Well hell, Lamar, that’s only fair seeing as how you get all of the votes of people from other realities.

341 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:42:49am

re: #340 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Well hell, Lamar, that’s only fair seeing as how you get all of the votes of people from other realities.

And from different centuries. The GOP has the 19th century BC vote down.

342 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 10:44:20am
343 Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2014 10:46:13am

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It fills my black heart with joy to see Landrieu’s hail mary attempt at saving her ass go down in flames at the last minute.

344 BeachDem  Nov 18, 2014 10:46:36am

re: #277 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Trust him or not, and we don’t because we know more about him than what’s presented on the evening news, Paul is speaking out. Five minutes is forever on televised news so I doubt that there’s much awareness of Paul-talk outside of places like LGF. Essence is perception and if Paul becomes perceived as a champion of civil rights and immigration rights then the reality is that he’ll get the votes of many for whom those are key issues.

Those ten words pretty much explain what is wrong with our media today. If it weren’t so sad, it would be truly laughable.

345 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:47:35am

re: #344 BeachDem

Those ten words pretty much explain what is wrong with our media today. If it weren’t so sad, it would be truly laughable.

Seriously though, when was the last time the media pressed him at all on his statement that he would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964? The pass him and his father get for associating with racist coots from the media never ceases to amaze me.

346 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:47:59am

re: #343 Targetpractice

It fills my black heart with joy to see Landrieu’s hail mary attempt at saving her ass go down in flames at the last minute.

Yeah I agree. Screw Landrieu, Enjoy retirement.

347 The Vicious Babushka  Nov 18, 2014 10:51:00am
348 Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2014 10:51:13am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

Yeah I agree. Screw Landrieu, Enjoy retirement.

Not to worry, I’m sure one of her buddies in the oil industry is clearing off a desk for her in their lobbying department.

349 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:52:22am

re: #348 Targetpractice

Not to worry, I’m sure one of her buddies in the oil industry is clearing off a desk for her in their lobbying department.

Yep and I’m sure we may also see her on CNN or Fox crying about how Obama’s being “unreasonable” by not supporting Keystone.

350 Sionainn  Nov 18, 2014 10:55:16am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m sure those folks are feeling really “ennobled” as they are starving.

351 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 10:56:39am

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

If the Keystone bill fails to pass in this Senate then it will be introduced in the next one. I wonder what the excuse will be then from those Democrats who vote for it. They have saving the SS Landrieu, which has already struck an iceberg and is presently taking water over the main deck, as a convenient way to make it appear that their votes are not just for sale. I’m sure that they’ll think of something in 2015 because they’re getting better and better at that sort of thing.

352 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 10:57:14am
353 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 10:58:15am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah but think of the poor wittle corporation. You can’t say no to that face.

354 Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2014 10:58:34am

Anyone know who besides Landrieu is supporting the GOP in trying to pass this boondoggle?

355 HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2014 11:01:33am

re: #354 Targetpractice

Anyone know who besides Landrieu is supporting the GOP in trying to pass this boondoggle?

I imagine the one in North Dakota. I imagine Manchin from WV since I don’t think I’ve ever seen him actually take a Democratic position ever.

356 BeachDem  Nov 18, 2014 11:03:38am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

Seriously though, when was the last time the media pressed him at all on his statement that he would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964? The pass him and his father get for associating with racist coots from the media never ceases to amaze me.

The only one who has ever pressed Rand on anything was Rachel Maddow, and he wouldn’t talk to her now for anything. The rest of the media let his and Crazy Uncle Liberty’s bullshit go unchecked and unchallenged— from racist crap to plagiarism to incredibly ignorant statements—it’s all OK with the media because the Pauls are so “interesting.” Spit.

357 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 11:04:27am

re: #354 Targetpractice

Anyone know who besides Landrieu is supporting the GOP in trying to pass this boondoggle?

The 10 Democrats are on the list as well.

358 BeachDem  Nov 18, 2014 11:09:32am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, two of the Dems got beat last week (Begich and Pryor), and one will be next month (Landrieu) so that’s three that are just trading places in the new Senate group.

359 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 11:12:26am

re: #354 Targetpractice

Anyone know who besides Landrieu is supporting the GOP in trying to pass this boondoggle?

There are currently only 45 Republican Senators and the bill’s supporters say that they have 59 locked-in votes. The Democrats supporting this bill aren’t exactly rushing to the microphones, as well they shouldn’t. But, the week is young, I’m confident that our Democratic pols will find another constituency to disenchant before the week is out.

360 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 18, 2014 11:15:02am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The 10 Democrats are on the list as well.

Fuck them with a disc harrow.

361 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 11:20:52am

re: #358 BeachDem

Well, two of the Dems got beat last week (Begich and Pryor), and one will be next month (Landrieu) so that’s three that are just trading places in the new Senate group.

Kay Hagan is gone as well.

362 BeachDem  Nov 18, 2014 11:22:40am

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kay Hagan is gone as well.

Ah, right—slipped right by her name—so 4 that are trading places (but I’m guessing there will be some more spineless Dems to join in the fun before all is said and done.)

363 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2014 11:25:58am

re: #362 BeachDem

Ah, right—slipped right by her name—so 4 that are trading places (but I’m guessing there will be some more spineless Dems to join in the fun before all is said and done.)

No more Democrats have to join since the four leaving are being replaced by Republicans. Even if Landrieu manages to squeak out reelection, three new Rs in the Senate get them over the 60 votes needed.

364 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 18, 2014 11:45:30am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

I’m interested in seeing who Hillary surrounds herself with this time and how she campaigns. I don’t know about you guys but I was turned off big time by her tone when she ran against Obama in 2008. It’s part of why I supported him over her.

And Obama ran a 50-state campaign whereas the Clinton approach was going to be to give up on the red states and just fight over the 10 or so toss-up states. Playing defense from the get-go.

365 Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2014 11:47:49am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

It was a good point made about Wal-Mart that they create more people being on welfare and food stamps by paying their employees like shit. RWNJs can’t have it both ways. They can’t encourage employers to pay terribly and then cut off benefits. Well that is unless they want a permanent underclass which I’m starting to believe they do because they need the poor as both a scapegoat and someone for them to feel morally superior to.

But do that too long and that scapegoat becomes a bear that devours you. The rich have a lot of money, the poor have a lot of people (and getting more people every day). The rich can figure they can get body guards, but it takes a lot of bodyguards (and equipment, and food, and on and on) to hold a back a few million determined, hungry and pissed off people who are watching their children starve.

ADDED: And the peasants won’t all be armed with pitchforks either.

366 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 18, 2014 11:49:17am

re: #290 ObserverArt

There does seem to be an undercurrent of discontent with her as the candidate. It is still two years out, so a lot can change. I do not think she has it made quit yet. She will be hard to shake out, but it has happened before.

I hope there are young Democrats seriously discussing this right now. There better be. Or hello Republican control for some time. And then change will only come when people realize they have been screwed.

That seems to take 8 years or so.
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367 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 18, 2014 12:46:11pm

re: #328 lawhawk

Global warming denialists will point at the huge lake effect snowfalls and claim that they disprove global warming.

That ignores all the science that show just how extreme lake effect snowfalls are only going to increase in coming years and decades because it requires open fetches of lake waters and a burst of cold air to send the lake effect snows landward.

Warmer air carries more moisture than cold air. Oscillation in where the jet stream runs can mean that you get extended periods of time where cold air rushes over the warmer lakes, building up huge lake effect snow totals. It’s all basic science - basic meteorology and climatology.

And a slight change in the wind direction can mean the snows set up in one spot (training) while other areas nearby get nothing. Buffalo downtown has gotten just a few inches. A few miles south? Up to 4 feet, and another couple of feet are likely. I’ve seen that around Orchard Park, they’re looking at up to 41 inches of new snow by tomorrow morning. Or more.

And that’s on top of what’s already fallen. Some places in the Northeast don’t get that much in an entire season. They’re getting it in the span of a few hours.

This is a plot by Canada to get the huge ice wall started to keep the starving (and ignorant of global warming effects) Americans out. Buffalo is just lucking out in being included in the new Great White North.
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368 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 18, 2014 12:47:21pm

re: #337 Aunty Entity Dragon

I found I am having trouble inserting images into a page. I had to rewrite my page on Nixon and communists 3 times after I tried to insert a picture and something strange would erase everything.

NSA and OBAMA at your door! Flee now!
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