Barack Obama Takes Over the Colbert Report
In which President Obama proves he’s perfectly capable of doing Stephen Colbert’s job.
In which President Obama proves he’s perfectly capable of doing Stephen Colbert’s job.
2 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 7:11:10am |
The GOP is trying to rake Jon Gruber over the coals this morning for his comments about Obamacare.
They’re going to latch on to comments like how he thinks that the legislation wasn’t passed in a transparent fashion (as if any legislative process is truly transparent).
The GOP is still trying to do whatever it can to destroy Obamacare, and the president touched on it last night with his Colbert clip (love the self-deprecating comments and headlines - Commander in Understatement; Disney got the title for frozen from the ACA website, but the best was going on comedy shows was beneath his dignity, but above his approval ratings).
To health in a handbasket. That’s what the GOP is intending to do. And they’re hoping the Supreme Court will do what they’ve been unable to do legislatively - dismantle the ACA.
3 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 7:14:05am |
re: #2 lawhawk
The GOP is trying to rake Jon Gruber over the coals this morning for his comments about Obamacare.
They’re going to latch on to comments like how he thinks that the legislation wasn’t passed in a transparent fashion (as if any legislative process is truly transparent).
The GOP is still trying to do whatever it can to destroy Obamacare, and the president touched on it last night with his Colbert clip (love the self-deprecating comments and headlines - Commander in Understatement; Disney got the title for frozen from the ACA website, but the best was going on comedy shows was beneath his dignity, but above his approval ratings).
To health in a handbasket. That’s what the GOP is intending to do. And they’re hoping the Supreme Court will do what they’ve been unable to do legislatively - dismantle the ACA.
Yep. And leave it to the rags to perpetuate the “issue”. Here is what greeted me at my coffee shop this morning.
4 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Dec 9, 2014 7:17:40am |
Obama mentioned the salient point: what would the GOP replace it with?
5 | Decatur Deb Dec 9, 2014 7:19:03am |
re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Obama mentioned the salient point: what would the GOP replace it with?
Chickens.
6 | Mike Lamb Dec 9, 2014 7:22:08am |
Interesting how the party that decries judges overturning legislation banning gay marriage now believes that it is entirely appropriate for SCOTUS to overturn the ACA.
7 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 7:23:42am |
re: #6 Mike Lamb
Interesting how the party that decries judges overturning legislation banning gay marriage now believes that it is entirely appropriate for SCOTUS to overturn the ACA.
LEGISLATING FROM THE BENCH!!!!!
8 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 7:23:44am |
re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Obama mentioned the salient point: what would the GOP replace it with?
Vaporware. They have nothing. They claim that they’d salvage the parts that people agree are good - like ending the preexisting ailment limitations or dependent age extension, but there’s no actual legislation that would do any of this. Their repealers are all repeal, and no replace.
They don’t want to fix the ACA. They want it gone, and replace it with a system that was truly defective and broken.
They’re also willing to throw millions of people off insurance that have it now in their quest to overturn the ACA.
9 | Feline Fearless Leader Dec 9, 2014 7:24:06am |
re: #6 Mike Lamb
Interesting how the party that decries judges overturning legislation banning gay marriage now believes that it is entirely appropriate for SCOTUS to overturn the ACA.
You seem to be searching for principles and integrity that are not there.
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10 | Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2014 7:25:56am |
Why are people like this giving Chuck a pass for his lying and hate speech? @tommyxtopher @washingtonpost @terrence_mccoy @ChuckCJohnson— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 9, 2014
11 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 7:27:51am |
Federal Mike Brown autopsy released. Shot to back of R arm consistent with his being shot from behind or with arms up http://t.co/gLEQ4jEA1K— Lisa Bloom (@LisaBloom) December 9, 2014
As I noted from the local medical examiner’s statements, the shot that hit Michael Brown in the arm was consistent with being shot with hands up. Lisa Bloom further indicates that it could also be consistent with being shot from behind (and shots were fired as Brown ran).
Add this to the pile of evidence that the grand jury either ignored or wasn’t considered in the proper context to find Wilson had shot Brown while Brown was surrendering (hands up).
12 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 7:28:52am |
No one asked Darren Wilson how Mike Brown's shot in apex of head is consistent with his “charging” story. Fed autopsy has same finding.— Lisa Bloom (@LisaBloom) December 9, 2014
Because during a grand jury, the prosecutor should not be asking the victim questions that could prove probable cause. Nevermind.
13 | ObserverArt Dec 9, 2014 7:30:48am |
14 | Feline Fearless Leader Dec 9, 2014 7:33:47am |
15 | gwangung Dec 9, 2014 7:35:27am |
re: #11 lawhawk
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As I noted from the local medical examiner’s statements, the shot that hit Michael Brown in the arm was consistent with being shot with hands up. Lisa Bloom further indicates that it could also be consistent with being shot from behind (and shots were fired as Brown ran).
Add this to the pile of evidence that the grand jury either ignored or wasn’t considered in the proper context to find Wilson had shot Brown while Brown was surrendering (hands up).
Too many people are dismissing this and saying that Brown never had his hands up and he was definitely charging Wilson.
(And they probably still buy the dangerous Negro attacking to kill story….)
16 | b.d. Dec 9, 2014 7:36:10am |
*snort*
poor paranoid little fella
It’s 7:30 p.m. on Monday night, and the day’s most vilified blogger is driving somewhere in California, though he declines to specify where, and with whom. As he talks into the telephone, he confesses he feels targeted: He’s recording the conversation. Someone has already hacked him that day. He’s deluged with threats. His mom, he said, “is worried about me and worried about herself.”
17 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 7:37:56am |
re:
#16
Archmoron stalkerblogger Chuck c Johnson is the REAL victim here!!!!1
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18 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 7:38:02am |
@mattdpearce Wasted a morning yesterday talking about (and to) Ginger Voldemort yesterday. A real prince.— Sam Cohen (@cohenss) December 9, 2014
19 | b.d. Dec 9, 2014 7:40:40am |
re: #17 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
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#16Archmoron stalkerblogger Chuck c Johnson is the REAL victim here!!!!1
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I’m surprised he didn’t say he was the most hounded after guy since Jesus.
20 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 7:41:51am |
I “hate” Lebron in a competitive context. But I admire his talent and his willingness to use his status and platform. But, some people…
White America loves you until you promote an agenda different from their's. pic.twitter.com/692Dhg78Wp— Deion ?landers (@BobbyBlu_Band) December 9, 2014
21 | SteveMcGaziBolaGate Dec 9, 2014 7:42:35am |
re: #17 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
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#16Archmoron stalkerblogger Chuck c Johnson is the REAL victim here!!!!1
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Out of curiosity, are you having IE trouble to[edit]o[edit]?
22 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 7:44:08am |
The right wing has knives out for Gruber, w/his characterization of ACA provisions as a tax. Recall SCOTUS ruled that ind. mandate was tax— lawhawk (@lawhawk) December 9, 2014
Short attention span theater that is even TL;DR for the twitter set.
23 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Dec 9, 2014 7:48:04am |
re: #8 lawhawk
They’re also willing to throw millions of people off insurance that have it now in their quest to overturn the ACA.
Which is guaranteed to cost them lots of support in the next general election.
24 | bubba zanetti Dec 9, 2014 7:50:38am |
re: #20 Franklin
I “hate” Lebron in a competitive context. But I admire his talent and his willingness to use his status and platform. But, some people…
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Comic Sans?
25 | Feline Fearless Leader Dec 9, 2014 7:50:46am |
re: #23 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Which is guaranteed to cost them lots of support in the next general election.
They’ll sell it as removing moochers from getting government money.
And once they kill it there will be at least a decade wait to get anything close to it back. Though, when that happens, it might then be a jump directly into a single-payer system. Which will trigger the next round of detractors screaming “socialism!”.
:p
26 | SteveMcGaziBolaGate Dec 9, 2014 7:50:47am |
re: #23 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Which is guaranteed to cost them lots of support in the next general election.
It only costs them support that doesn’t show up to vote anyway.
27 | ObserverArt Dec 9, 2014 7:52:05am |
re: #20 Franklin
I “hate” Lebron in a competitive context. But I admire his talent and his willingness to use his status and platform. But, some people…
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I have the Dan Patrick show on and listening to the chatter. They were just yakking about the NBA players wearing the “I can’t breathe” shirts and St Louis Rams NFL players doing the “Hands Up” sign.
Dan has a great point when he asks what happens if some players are supportive of the police and they come out in some kind of shirts saying it.
I think it something to consider. And knowing today’s world, I can see people in the stands getting into each other’s faces over it and maybe even starting some fights. For sure the internet would be at war. In the games you may have some players targeting others. It could be messy.
It is a strange world we live in. But then, freedom is messy.
28 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 7:52:35am |
29 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 7:53:43am |
er:
#22
The right wing has knives out for Gruber, w/his characterization of ACA provisions as a tax. Recall SCOTUS ruled that ind. mandate was tax
Today’s RWNJ: trying to overturn a law based on a policy discussion. I can’t recall this ever happening before, or this standard being applied to any other legislation. But that’s today’s RWNJ.
30 | bubba zanetti Dec 9, 2014 7:54:06am |
31 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 7:54:53am |
re: #27 ObserverArt
I have the Dan Patrick show on and listening to the chatter. They were just yakking about the NBA players wearing the “I can’t breathe” shirts and St Louis Rams NFL players doing the “Hands Up” sign.
Dan has a great point when he asks what happens if some players are supportive of the police and they come out in some kind of shirts saying it.
I think it something to consider. And knowing today’s world, I can see people in the stands getting into each other’s faces over it and maybe even starting some fights. For sure the internet would be at war. In the games you may have some players targeting others. It could be messy.
It is a strange world we live in. But then, freedom is messy.
Not sure how much I buy that argument though. Sounds a lot like the “Why can’t we have all white colleges if they have all black colleges!?!?!” argument.
32 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 7:55:20am |
re: #30 bubba zanetti
The typeface on LeBron’s shirt.
Oh, LOL.
Now that you mention it, I cannot unsee it.
33 | ObserverArt Dec 9, 2014 7:56:08am |
re: #14 Feline Fearless Leader
Still a subsidy for leeches I hear though!
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Bring back the patent medicine men!!! They had the good stuff.
34 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 7:56:47am |
re: #20 Franklin
I “hate” Lebron in a competitive context. But I admire his talent and his willingness to use his status and platform. But, some people…
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There was an article about today’s black athletes being more willing to take on social issues than ones from a generation ago like Jordan. Good for Lebron here. I believe he also when he was with the Heat expressed solidarity with Martin by coming out with his teammates wearing a hoodie. I’ll give the guy credit. He’s not afraid to speak his mind and I hope he continues to do it.
Edited: MJ is the better example since Barkley actually is outspoken and Jordan is the one with the quote about Republicans buying shoes too.
35 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 7:57:04am |
re:
#22
Isn’t the only remaining issue the business of the subsidies for states that didn’t (or did) create their own exchanges?
36 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 7:58:43am |
@armandodkos @aseitzwald @DafnaLinzer “You can’t handle the truth’. -Dick Cheney— Greg Dworkin (@DemFromCT) December 9, 2014
37 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 7:59:17am |
Real complaint frm white person abt immigrants: “We've lost our culture. It's like the natives are being pushed out.” http://t.co/w2UdWod4vs— Gabe Ortíz (@TUSK81) December 9, 2014
38 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 8:00:41am |
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#37
Natives were pushed out from 1492-1890
39 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Dec 9, 2014 8:00:51am |
re: #37 Franklin
hard to top for irony metering
40 | ObserverArt Dec 9, 2014 8:01:05am |
re: #31 Franklin
Not sure how much I buy that argument though. Sounds a lot like the “Why can’t we have all white colleges if they have all black colleges!?!?!” argument.
He brought it up as an observation, not really as an argument. I think it a valid to consider.
In this political climate anything can go nuts. Just read some of those Instagram comments about LeBron. They may be out making their counter-point shirts right now. Hey, T-shirt wars.
I guess we’ll all know the minute it happens. The ‘net guarantees that.
41 | Decatur Deb Dec 9, 2014 8:01:28am |
re: #37 Franklin
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Only 10AM, and I’ve already breached my 8-hour Threshold Limit Value for stupidity exposure.
42 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:01:58am |
re: #38 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
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#37Natives were pushed out from 1492-1890
And actually killed and removed from their lands. This whiny shit just has to see people who aren’t like him.
43 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 8:02:20am |
re:
#41
How much does your plan charge for going over the limit?
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44 | Feline Fearless Leader Dec 9, 2014 8:02:32am |
re: #40 ObserverArt
He brought it up as an observation, not really as an argument. I think it a valid to consider.
In this political climate anything can go nuts. Just read some of those Instagram comments about LeBron. They may be out making their counter-point shirts right now. Hey, T-shirt wars.
I guess we’ll all know the minute it happens. The ‘net guarantees that.
“Lebron doesn’t tread on me, he dunks!”
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45 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 8:02:48am |
re: #40 ObserverArt
He brought it up as an observation, not really as an argument. I think it a valid to consider.
In this political climate anything can go nuts. Just read some of those Instagram comments about LeBron. They may be out making their counter-point shirts right now. Hey, T-shirt wars.
I guess we’ll all know the minute it happens. The ‘net guarantees that.
You are right, it is something to consider and certainly not beyond the realm of possibility. I’m certain there is division in many NFL locker rooms over this issue and many others.
46 | Feline Fearless Leader Dec 9, 2014 8:03:18am |
re: #42 HappyWarrior
And actually killed and removed from their lands. This whiny shit just has to see people who aren’t like him.
People who aren’t like him asking to be treated as equals that is.
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47 | Decatur Deb Dec 9, 2014 8:04:01am |
re: #43 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
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#41How much does your plan charge for going over the limit?
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An OSHA mental hygiene inspector comes by and posts a stiff fine against my ISP.
48 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:04:02am |
re: #46 Feline Fearless Leader
People who aren’t like him asking to be treated as equals that is.
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Someone call the wambulance.
49 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 8:08:07am |
Well, that’s not surprising.
BREAKING: CIA interrogation was ineffective and more brutal than known, report finds? http://t.co/j62JVc31Ro pic.twitter.com/3MZOr3HfHM— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 9, 2014
50 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:09:03am |
re: #49 lawhawk
Well, that’s not surprising.
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Ineffective and brutal, gee no wonder why Cheney liked it so much.
51 | The Vicious Babushka Dec 9, 2014 8:10:26am |
In 1904, beard of a Detroit judge playing Santa at Methodist church caught fire from Xmas tree http://t.co/TqgrgDzzkV pic.twitter.com/8BvIMWwSms— Niraj Warikoo (@nwarikoo) December 9, 2014
52 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 8:11:23am |
re:
#49
It wasn’t torture we don’t torture like other heathen countries…OK we did torture but only in a few isolated instances where there was a Ticking Time Bomb we needed to stop….OK we actually tortured quite a bit for a bunch of reasons whenever we wanted but it’s OK as long as we did it…Proudly supporting torture is actually the most basic of American values and if you are against torture you’re a traitor who hates America.
53 | The Vicious Babushka Dec 9, 2014 8:12:18am |
SMOTI defending his title, proves he is dumber than ChuckC
Gee… What an odd #Coincidence that #Democrats Would release “Torture” report on SAME DAY #Gruber Testifies about #Obamacare Deception-Lies— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) December 9, 2014
54 | GlutenFreeJesus Dec 9, 2014 8:13:35am |
re: #49 lawhawk
So who is going to be held accountable for this, and when? (Nobody, ever.)
55 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:13:47am |
re: #53 The Vicious Babushka
SMOTI defending his title, proves he is dumber than ChuckC
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Because ACA not being the most perfect legislation ever is somehow more grievous than state sanctioned torture. Go piss up a rope Jim.
56 | b.d. Dec 9, 2014 8:14:31am |
re: #53 The Vicious Babushka
SMOTI defending his title, proves he is dumber than ChuckC
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Only the people on Planet Wingnut even know what a Gruber is let alone give a rat’s ass as to what he has to say.
57 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:14:37am |
re: #54 GlutenFreeJesus
So who is going to be held accountable for this, and when? (Nobody, ever.)
It’s a damn good question. Honestly, I think this shows you that the more that will come out about the previous administration the more detestable that whole bunch really was.
58 | ObserverArt Dec 9, 2014 8:15:35am |
re: #50 HappyWarrior
Ineffective and brutal, gee no wonder why Cheney liked it so much.
Cheney will never give up on it. And I am sure there are a whole slew of badass military types that will think you do what you have to do to save America. The whatever it takes crowd.
I guess many don’t want to consider that our invading a sovereign nation (Iraq), Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and our ‘enhanced’ interrogation techniques cost the U.S. huge as far as world standing for being THE leader in doing the right thing.
No more.
59 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:15:38am |
re: #56 b.d.
Only the people on Planet Wingnut even know what a Gruber is let alone give a rat’s ass as to what he has to say.
HE CALLED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE STUPID. But pay no attention to the fact that our candidates constantly accuse people of supporting Democrats because they just want free stuff.
60 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 8:15:48am |
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#53
Hmmm. Not just ACA “lies” but “deception-lies”. Have to remember that one. /
61 | b.d. Dec 9, 2014 8:16:19am |
“History will ultimately judge the decisions that were made for Iraq and I’m just not going to be around to see the final verdict” - George W. Bush
62 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:16:19am |
re: #58 ObserverArt
Cheney will never give up on it. And I am sure there are a whole slew of badass military types that will think you do what you have to do to save America. The whatever it takes crowd.
I guess many don’t want to consider that our invading a sovereign nation (Iraq), Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and our ‘enhanced’ interrogation techniques cost the U.S. huge as far as world standing for being THE leader in doing the right thing.
No more.
Ends justify the means types yes.
63 | Rightwingconspirator Dec 9, 2014 8:16:34am |
Don’t hate it for the headline… It’s not quite what you might think. Pardons for torture?
64 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 8:17:27am |
But the RWNJ never lied about the ACA by claiming it contained Death Panels or anything like that.
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65 | #FergusonFireside Dec 9, 2014 8:17:37am |
Ugly ugly ugly
CIA officers threatened to harm the children of a detainee and to sexually abuse the mother of a detainee, the report says
— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianAP) December 9, 2014
66 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:19:04am |
67 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 8:19:48am |
The CIA lied to GWB about the efficacy of the interrogation techniques. #torturereport— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) December 9, 2014
68 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 8:20:44am |
It’ll take some time to read through. It’s 525 pages long.
The 525 page torture report http://t.co/UhFs0kQS2W— Marc Ambinder (@marcambinder) December 9, 2014
69 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:21:15am |
71 | gwangung Dec 9, 2014 8:23:19am |
re: #58 ObserverArt
Cheney will never give up on it. And I am sure there are a whole slew of badass military types that will think you do what you have to do to save America. The whatever it takes crowd.
I guess many don’t want to consider that our invading a sovereign nation (Iraq), Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and our ‘enhanced’ interrogation techniques cost the U.S. huge as far as world standing for being THE leader in doing the right thing.
Their broken moral compass makes them think that torture MAKES the US a leader.
72 | BeachDem Dec 9, 2014 8:23:21am |
re: #34 HappyWarrior
There was an article about today’s black athletes being more willing to take on social issues than ones from a generation ago like Jordan. Good for Lebron here. I believe he also when he was with the Heat expressed solidarity with Martin by coming out with his teammates wearing a hoodie. I’ll give the guy credit. He’s not afraid to speak his mind and I hope he continues to do it.
Edited: MJ is the better example since Barkley actually is outspoken and Jordan is the one with the quote about Republicans buying shoes too.
Now I feel REALLY old (I still think of Michael Jordan as a kid) as my mind went back to people like Bill Russell speaking out about the early days of the NBA and the racial injustice.
73 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 8:24:17am |
re:
#54
So who is going to be held accountable for this, and when? (Nobody, ever).
Let’s not dwell on the past we need to move on…hey when are we going to prosecute the people who allowed Benghazi!! and the IRS scandal and FastFurious and Gruber?!??!?!?!?!
74 | gwangung Dec 9, 2014 8:24:51am |
re: #72 BeachDem
Now I feel REALLY old (I still think of Michael Jordan as a kid) as my mind went back to people like Bill Russell speaking out about the early days of the NBA and the racial injustice.
The problem some people have about these athletes is that they’re being outspoken on the wrong side.
75 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:25:36am |
re: #72 BeachDem
Now I feel REALLY old (I still think of Michael Jordan as a kid) as my mind went back to people like Bill Russell speaking out about the early days of the NBA and the racial injustice.
That’s why I prefaced it with a generation ago. Article actually talks about how guys in the 60’s were outspoken. They brought up John Carlos and Tommie Smith as well as Arthur Ashe. Russell, I am not surprised spoke out against it because he experienced it personally in Boston.
76 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 8:28:06am |
re: #69 HappyWarrior
The report was only declassified today, but the report was done December 2012 and then updated April 2014.
It would be DCIs Tenet, Goss, and Hayden.
77 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:30:12am |
re: #76 lawhawk
The report was only declassified today, but the report was done December 2012 and then updated April 2014.
It would be DCIs Tenet, Goss, and Hayden.
Gotcha. I was drawing a blank on the final DCI. Thought it was Negropente but then remember Hayden. Very interested to seeing what’s in the report and your conclusions.
78 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 8:32:03am |
Bush Admin in turns claims they were deceived, but gave CIA wide latitude to keep doing what they were doing.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) December 9, 2014
79 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 8:32:10am |
Shin Bet: American arrested, suspected of plotting to attack Muslim sites in Israel, describes himself as Christian and former US Navy SEAL.— Dan Williams (@DanWilliams) December 9, 2014
80 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:32:23am |
81 | GlutenFreeJesus Dec 9, 2014 8:33:33am |
82 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 8:34:35am |
Meanwhile John Schindler retweets Gatestone Inst. with Geert Wilders’ speech in which he says: “Our freedom is being threatened. Threatened by a violent totalitarian ideology - Islam - that brings with it death and devastation.”
83 | GlutenFreeJesus Dec 9, 2014 8:36:42am |
You know… so many idiots call for the destruction of the whole Middle East because of ISIS/AQ and their torture videos. It never occurs to said idiots that many in the Middle East feel the same way about us for the exact same reasons.
84 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 8:37:58am |
UKR joke: “Moishe, is it true your country has been taken over by fascists & Bandera followers?” - “Yes, our synagogue is full of them!”— Garry Kasparov (@Kasparov63) December 4, 2014
85 | GlutenFreeJesus Dec 9, 2014 8:39:25am |
@gatewaypundit using quotes around TORTURE = you dont think it was torture. but if subjected to same, you'd cry like a baby.— efuseakay (@efuseakay) December 9, 2014
86 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 8:41:22am |
re: #85 GlutenFreeJesus
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He’s not alone in this dickery.
1) Bush-era “torture” had some successes but overall was not effective due mostly to lack of experience, as I explained. Overall, a mistake.— John Schindler (@20committee) December 9, 2014
2) However, most of the exquisite hand-wringing about “torture” now is sheer politics of many kinds & and accomplishes nothing worthwhile.— John Schindler (@20committee) December 9, 2014
Fuck all torture apologists.
87 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:41:30am |
re: #85 GlutenFreeJesus
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Hell Jim can’t even deal with POTUS still being POTUS without shitting his pants. I can’t imagine how he’d react if he were ever tortured. Reminds me though. Didn’t Sean Hannity promise he’d be waterboarded to “prove” it wasn’t torture? Yeah about that……
88 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:42:42am |
re: #86 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
He’s not alone in this dickery.
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Fuck all torture apologists.
A mistake? This is crap that we’ve prosecuted people for. Things that we would as Americans be genuinely horrified if done to our people. Goddamn it. Fuck this.
89 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Dec 9, 2014 8:42:50am |
re: #86 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
1) Bush-era “torture” had some successes but overall was not effective due mostly to lack of experience, as I explained. Overall, a mistake.
we didn’t know what the fuck we were doing and it caused much more harm than good, but it was all part of a learning curve…
90 | makeitstop Dec 9, 2014 8:43:38am |
A friend on Facebook just posted the old ‘ticking time bomb’ scenario for justified torture.
Apologists. Fucking apologists everywhere.
91 | GlutenFreeJesus Dec 9, 2014 8:43:47am |
re: #87 HappyWarrior
Assholes. Both of them. We’d be calling it torture if it happened to any of our soldiers, that’s for sure.
92 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 8:44:21am |
re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
we didn’t know what the fuck we were doing and it caused much more harm than good, but it was all part of a learning curve…
But you know, he is against torture. He’s all for “torture” though.
93 | GlutenFreeJesus Dec 9, 2014 8:44:32am |
re: #87 HappyWarrior
Looking in the mirror every morning must be hard enough for him.
94 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:44:38am |
re: #91 GlutenFreeJesus
Assholes. Both of them. We’d be calling it torture if it happened to any of our soldiers, that’s for sure.
Exactly and we no doubt would be hearing about how it “proves” once and for all that Muslims are barbarians.
95 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 8:45:11am |
re: #90 makeitstop
A friend on Facebook just posted the old ‘ticking time bomb’ scenario for justified torture.
Apologists. Fucking apologists everywhere.
I’m still ashamed that around 2003 I was seriously considering this ticking bomb idiocy as an argument.
96 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:45:14am |
re: #93 GlutenFreeJesus
Looking in the mirror every morning must be hard enough for him.
Waking up knowing you’re Jim Hoft, TDMONTI yeah .
97 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 8:45:30am |
Report: Outside contractors made up 85% of the CIA's workforce for detention and interrogation operations.— Eamon Javers (@EamonJavers) December 9, 2014
98 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:45:57am |
re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
I’m still ashamed that around 2003 I was seriously considering this ticking bomb idiocy.
You’re only human. I myself was guilty of once contemplating a vote for McCain.
100 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:46:39am |
102 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 8:47:16am |
re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
You weren’t alone in that. I considered the same. And the more we learn about what the CIA was doing, the more it shows how they were misleading the public, Congress, and anyone who attempted oversight. But at the same time, the Administration was more than willing to give them the leeway to continue pursuing these tactics instead of reining them in.
103 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Dec 9, 2014 8:48:11am |
re: #101 Franklin
Capitalism!!!
I am sure these contracts were all awarded as part of an open, transparent bidding process…
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104 | jimmyvluv4u Dec 9, 2014 8:48:15am |
Our pal Chuckie is really blowing up today…
105 | The Vicious Babushka Dec 9, 2014 8:49:59am |
It just gets worse
Senate: CIA gave some prisoners “medically unnecessary 'rectal feeding' or 'rectal hydration'” http://t.co/rBV4wnL0BJ pic.twitter.com/akoN0yYnX8— Niraj Warikoo (@nwarikoo) December 9, 2014
107 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 8:51:46am |
WTF is rectal feeding or rectal rehydration?
Apparently it was used as a tactic by the CIA on a detainee, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashir, who had launched a short lived hunger strike.
KSM was also rectally rehydrated without a determination of medical need (page 82).
Other detainees were treated in a similar fashion.
Yet, this was allowed to continue? WTF. Seriously. WTF.
108 | gwangung Dec 9, 2014 8:52:08am |
109 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:53:17am |
re: #108 gwangung
Instead, it’ll just give ‘em a stiffie
Yeah you’re right. For every person like you and I that is genuinely horrified and disgusted by this being done in our name, there’s some sick fucks out there that will find this awesome.
110 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Dec 9, 2014 8:54:38am |
re: #108 gwangung
Instead, it’ll just give ‘em a stiffie
Especially Bryan Fischer
He has a thing about sodomy-based procedures
111 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:54:59am |
Now I’m even more disgusted at Bush and his campaign team using fear of gay marriage to get re-elected while all this crap was going on.
112 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 8:55:03am |
Ticking bomb is a bait and switch trick. Something possible but utterly improbable and random is made into an excuse for something which has nothing whatsoever to do with the original excuse.
113 | SteelPH Dec 9, 2014 8:55:32am |
re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Especially Bryan Fischer
He has a thing about sodomy-based procedures
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone as deeply closeted as him.
114 | BeachDem Dec 9, 2014 8:56:09am |
re: #104 jimmyvluv4u
Our pal Chuckie is really blowing up today…
They call him a journalist—demerit points for that. (He is probably in ecstasy about all the attention. )
115 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 8:56:12am |
re:
#107
I bet many of our favorite WHAT ABOUT MORAL ABSOLUTES??!??!? preachers are seeing this now and as a result they’re angry that….Obama declassified the report.
half sarc
116 | b.d. Dec 9, 2014 8:56:34am |
re: #104 jimmyvluv4u
Our pal Chuckie is really blowing up today…
So the next time Johnson shits the conservative movement’s bed, for whatever reason, it’s important to remember exactly where he came from.
117 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:56:47am |
re: #112 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
Ticking bomb is a bait and switch trick. Something possible but utterly improbable and random is made into an excuse for something which has nothing whatsoever to do with the original excuse.
It’s a tactic designed to elicit an emotional response. Just like how death penalty opponents are always asked “Well what if it was your relative killed?”
118 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 8:57:23am |
“You know, quantum mechanics says that the probability that monkeys may fly out of your butt is not zero. Therefore you’re now obliged to buy these monkey cages and bananas. Animal safety above all!”
119 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 8:57:45am |
re: #115 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
re:
#107I bet many of our favorite WHAT ABOUT MORAL ABSOLUTES??!??!? preachers are seeing this now and as a result they’re angry that….Obama declassified the report.
half sarc
Our favorite moral absolutist preachers have better things to be upset about like gay couples having the same rights in marriage as they do.//
120 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Dec 9, 2014 8:59:48am |
121 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 9:00:15am |
122 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 9:01:28am |
The CIA did not vet torture program participants, some of whom had “admitted to sexual assault.” pic.twitter.com/Ujmvz6elA4— Ujamaadam Serwer (@AdamSerwer) December 9, 2014
123 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 9:02:19am |
CIA takes credit for intel provided by detainees before they were ever in CIA custody pic.twitter.com/yya5FsU8EJ— Marc Ambinder (@marcambinder) December 9, 2014
124 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Dec 9, 2014 9:02:27am |
re: #121 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
What about him?
Rev. Shelby Spong, a retired Anglican bishop, makes a compelling case that St Paul was probably a repressed, self-loathing homosexual, and this attitude influenced a lot of Christian attitudes about homosexuality
125 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 9:02:53am |
The investigation completely rejects the Zero Dark Thirty scenario that torture of the courier led to Osama bin Laden pic.twitter.com/EkAkZ497gP— Farhad Manjoo (@fmanjoo) December 9, 2014
126 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 9:03:27am |
CIA director admits “we made mistakes” but “we part ways with committee on some key points” http://t.co/YTF2CPQwxZ pic.twitter.com/50yoD2rmAr— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) December 9, 2014
127 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 9:05:25am |
re: #126 lawhawk
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Mistake, they keep on using that word and I keep on thinking they don’t knwo what it means. And funny how now they admit to making mistakes after accusing all of their critics of being stupid and naive about torture.
128 | makeitstop Dec 9, 2014 9:06:14am |
re: #104 jimmyvluv4u
Our pal Chuckie is really blowing up today…
The comments accompanying that post are pretty awesome.
‘Let’s put this guy and Russell Brand in a jar and shake it.’
LOL
129 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Dec 9, 2014 9:06:38am |
re: #127 HappyWarrior
Mistake, they keep on using that word and I keep on thinking they don’t knwo what it means. And funny how now they admit to making mistakes after accusing all of their critics of being stupid and naive about torture.
It was a mistake to let anybody know what was happening…
130 | Higgs Boson's Mate Dec 9, 2014 9:07:47am |
In a nation where plenty of people believe that it’s okay for cops to shoot black people and rape victims were asking for it little will come of this report. There may be some rearranging of the deck chairs at the CIA, but no one will lose their job. There will be modest talk about even more modest reforms and that’s about it. The CIA will go on being ineffective at intelligence gathering, effective at thuggery, and very expensive.
131 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 9:08:48am |
re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Rev. Shelby Spong, a retired Anglican bishop, makes a compelling case that St Paul was probably a repressed, self-loathing homosexual, and this attitude influenced a lot of Christian attitudes about homosexuality
He’s not a historian, he’s a theologian (with an ax to grind). Certainly it’s possible that Paul was gay, but it would be stretching it to claim that this is an established fact (or that there is even a preponderance of evidence for this).
132 | CuriousLurker Dec 9, 2014 9:09:44am |
Okay, this whole torture thing makes me sick to my stomach, so I’m not gonna discuss it other than to say that here’s a link to the full 528-page report (PDF) that the WaPo linked to.
For anyone who’s interested, while I was googling stuff I also ran across this revised document, which I hadn’t seen before (it was released this month):
INTRODUCTION AND EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
This Guidance supersedes the Department of Justice’s 2003 Guidance Regarding the Use of Race by Federal Law Enforcement Agencies. It builds upon and expands the framework of the 2003 Guidance, and it reaffirms the Federal government’s deep commitment to ensuring that its law enforcement agencies conduct their activities in an unbiased manner. Biased practices, as the Federal government has long recognized, are unfair, promote mistrust of law enforcement, and perpetuate negative and harmful stereotypes. Moreover—and vitally important—biased practices are ineffective. As Attorney General Eric Holder has stated, such practices are “simply not good law enforcement.” […]
Later, lizards.
133 | BeachDem Dec 9, 2014 9:10:35am |
re: #130 Higgs Boson’s Mate
The CIA will go on being ineffective at intelligence gathering, effective at thuggery, and very expensive.
Or, as the Coen brothers put it in “Burn After Reading,”
CIA Superior: What did we learn, Palmer?
CIA Officer: I don’t know, sir.
CIA Superior: I don’t fuckin’ know either. I guess we learned not to do it again.
CIA Officer: Yes, sir.
CIA Superior: I’m fucked if I know what we did.
CIA Officer: Yes, sir, it’s, uh, hard to say
CIA Superior: Jesus Fucking Christ.
134 | Ace-o-aces Dec 9, 2014 9:14:07am |
Remember, when Arabs torture, it's a problem with their culture. When Americans do it, it's just “a few bad apples.” #TortureReport
— CJ Werleman (@cjwerleman) December 9, 2014
135 | calochortus Dec 9, 2014 9:15:52am |
re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
He’s not a historian, he’s a theologian (with an ax to grind). Certainly it’s possible that Paul was gay, but it would be stretching it to claim that this is an established fact (or that there is even a preponderance of evidence for this).
There has been speculation about this for a long, long time. No one will ever know for sure.
136 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 9:16:06am |
re: #134 Ace-o-aces
Worse. In the second case it’s “We torture? Good! America, Fuck yeah!”
137 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Dec 9, 2014 9:17:12am |
re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
He’s not a historian, he’s a theologian (with an ax to grind). Certainly it’s possible that Paul was gay, but it would be stretching it to claim that this is an established fact (or that there is even a preponderance of evidence for this).
He is still an Anglican Bishop, he is not coming out against St Paul, he is simply asking us to interpret his writings in the light of him likely being a closeted gay.
138 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 9:17:37am |
re: #135 calochortus
There has been speculation about this for a long, long time. No one will ever know for sure.
There are no verses that would indicate this directly, and the verses showing his disdain for sexual relations between sexes can be interpreted in any way one wants.
139 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 9:19:24am |
Shorter Jonah Goldberg: I'm Not a Liar, I'm Just Very, Very Stupid pic.twitter.com/yPvMsAVzi8— Adam Weinstein (@AdamWeinstein) December 9, 2014
140 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 9:20:42am |
re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
He is still an Anglican Bishop, he is not coming out against St Paul, he is simply asking us to interpret his writings in the light of him being a closeted gay.
Sure, an Anglican bishop can ask us that, he can also ask us to interpret Paul’s writings in the light of him being an alien, a secret Santa, a woman or a yoga-practitioner. Credible evidence won’t appear just because some bishop asks something.
141 | calochortus Dec 9, 2014 9:23:01am |
re: #138 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
There are no verses that would indicate this directly, and the verses showing his disdain for sexual relations between sexes can be interpreted in any way one wants.
I merely pointed out that this isn’t a new idea and neither you nor I will ever know the answer. I’m also not sure that it matters a great deal. But that’s just me.
142 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Dec 9, 2014 9:23:15am |
re: #140 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
Sure, an Anglican bishop can ask us that, he can also ask us to interpret Paul’s writings in the light of him being an alien, a secret Santa, a woman or a yoga-practitioner. Credible evidence won’t appear just because some bishop asks something.
I can only ask you to check out the relevant passages from his outstanding book: he is not out to prove some outlandish conspiracy theory, he simply points out that a lot of Paul’s attitudes are consistent with him being a repressed gay.
And again, he is not trying to discredit Paul’s teachings overall, just asking us to see them in another light, especially as it relates to attitudes about homosexuality.
143 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 9:24:22am |
.@SenScottBrown trying out lines of attack for his upcoming California Senate campaign: pic.twitter.com/wGpylSdLGj— Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) December 9, 2014
144 | BeachDem Dec 9, 2014 9:25:15am |
One more reason to dislike Nicolle Wallace. She’s a torture apologist.
Nicolle Wallace, a frequent “Morning Joe” guest and former George W. Bush spokeswoman, gave an impassioned defense of the agency’s waterboarding of three al-Qaeda suspects.
145 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Dec 9, 2014 9:25:57am |
re: #143 Franklin
trying out lines of attack for his upcoming California Senate campaign:
and quoting Jim Hoft…
146 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 9:27:36am |
oh cool. the CIA paid 2 dudes over $80 million bucks to come up with ways to torture people http://t.co/4b01rONnG6 pic.twitter.com/anGSlcLym5— Matt Binder (@MattBinder) December 9, 2014
147 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 9:28:22am |
re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
and quoting Jim Hoft…
I, for one, have never seen DimJim and Bqhatevwr in the same room.
Never mind, picturing Jim Hoft in those underwear ads is just, ewww.
148 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 9:29:00am |
re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
I can only ask you to check out the relevant passages from his outstanding book: he is not out to prove some outlandish conspiracy theory, he simply points out that a lot of Paul’s attitudes are consistent with him being a repressed gay.
And again, he is not trying to discredit Paul’s teachings overall, just asking us to see them in another light, especially as it relates to attitudes about homosexuality.
I have read his article on the issue, with the cited NT passages. That’s just one of many, many ways to interpret these passages. Not necessarily the most plausible way either.
150 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 9:31:12am |
re:
#144
One more reason to dislike Nicolle Wallace. She’s a torture apologist.
it saved American lives and hey when are we going to repeal the ACA because Gruber and take healthcare away from millions?
151 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 9:33:34am |
re:
#144
“What else did we do to make sure that 3,000 people weren’t blown out, obliterated on a New York City morning?” Wallace said. “I don’t care what we did.”
This is called Moral Absolute Values and any liberalpoliticallycorrect naysaying is antiAmerican moral relativism.
//
152 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 9:35:01am |
re:
#144
“What else did we do to make sure that 3,000 people weren’t blown out, obliterated on a New York City morning?” Wallace said. “I don’t care what we did.”
Surely Nicole deserves headliner status at the next Values Voters Summit.
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153 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 9:37:10am |
Waterboarding and other Torture methods: It’s OK if we do it.
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154 | Feline Fearless Leader Dec 9, 2014 9:37:25am |
re: #118 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
“You know, quantum mechanics says that the probability that monkeys may fly out of your butt is not zero. Therefore you’re now obliged to buy these monkey cages and bananas. Animal safety above all!”
That argument should be used to increase the sale of tiger-repelling rocks.
/
155 | bubba zanetti Dec 9, 2014 9:39:12am |
yes, here are my comments on Gruber: i agree with him. you are stupid. @aaronzupan— Matt Binder (@MattBinder) December 9, 2014
156 | Dr. Matt Dec 9, 2014 9:39:42am |
“Enhanced interrogation” is the politically correct term for #torture.— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) December 9, 2014
157 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Dec 9, 2014 9:41:25am |
re: #156 Dr. Matt
Enhanced interrogation” is the politically correct term for torture.
“Enhanced dating” is the politically correct term for rape.
158 | The Vicious Babushka Dec 9, 2014 9:41:39am |
I had to run an errand on my lunch break and I saw this guy in the road jogging to Taco Bell and I SWEAR he was a doppelganger for Chucky C. Same face shape, same ginger beard & hair, same “hipster” black frames.
Creeped me right out. I almost ran him over.
159 | Higgs Boson's Mate Dec 9, 2014 9:42:50am |
re: #156 Dr. Matt
There is no inherent hypocrisy in the right’s railing against political correctness while hyperventilating if someone refers to torture as torture.
160 | Dr. Matt Dec 9, 2014 9:42:53am |
If KSM was waterboarded at least 183 times, clearly waterboarding doesn’t work.
161 | BeachDem Dec 9, 2014 9:43:06am |
re: #151 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
re:
#144This is called Moral Absolute Values and any liberalpoliticallycorrect naysaying is antiAmerican moral relativism.
//
Plus, there’s that whole thing about THEY DIDN’T make sure that 3,000 people weren’t blown out, obliterated on a New York City morning?
162 | HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2014 9:44:07am |
re: #159 Higgs Boson’s Mate
There is no inherent hypocrisy in the right’s railing against political correctness while hyperventilating if someone refers to torture as torture.
Well it’s like that with religion too. They can make fun of Muslims and Islam all they want but the second you joke about Christians and Christianity. The right’s never opposed political correctness. They only oppose being called out for the assholes their ideology enables.
163 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 9:44:25am |
re:
#158
You should insist that Michigan build a wall on its southern and on it’s upper peninsula borders to prevent Archmoron blogger Chuck c Johnson from entering the state.
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164 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 9:45:47am |
re:
#161
Yeah that’s what I was thinking, too.
165 | William Barnett-Lewis Dec 9, 2014 9:45:50am |
re: #148 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
I have read his article on the issue, with the cited NT passages. That’s just one of many, many ways to interpret these passages. Not necessarily the most plausible way either.
I have enjoyed some of his works on biblical exegesis, that said this is one of the Bishop Spong’s weaker works and I say that as a fairly theologically radical Episcopalian (heh, just see my current page).
As you mentioned above, he does have a number of axes to grind and I don’t find him particularly persuasive on this subject as a result. As well, there are better ways of understanding and handling the issue of modern acceptance of homosexuality that do not require anywhere near the violence to the original scripture or Paul himself.
166 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 9:52:49am |
Your Guide to CIA Torture and Its Sick, Sad American Apologists http://t.co/7FUjShT5vv— Adam Weinstein (@AdamWeinstein) December 9, 2014
167 | Higgs Boson's Mate Dec 9, 2014 9:56:41am |
re: #166 lawhawk
A few bad apples…ticking time bomb…existential threat…mistakes were made…
168 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 9:56:41am |
Think we need a Vox explainer on 'rectal feeding' > Senate Torture Report: Detainees Subjected To Rectal Feeding http://t.co/6akQC1K598— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) December 9, 2014
Please, no eHow articles.
169 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 9:59:02am |
re:
#166
Calls/emails blistering @SenFeinstein for proposed release of report. If Americans die as a result of this stunt, responsibility 4 it clear
— Hugh Hewitt (@hughhewitt) December 9, 2014
Ah, I was waiting for RWNJ Hugh Hewitt’s opinion on this.
But, remember, Hugh and all other Values Voting RWNJ value Transparency, Truth, and Decency and Life.
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170 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 10:03:11am |
Laws of war, how do they work.
Right, I forgot. O doesn’t need to worry about waterboard “waivers” bc he executes suspects summarily from the air. https://t.co/Vs2g9zQzCu— Allahpundit (@allahpundit) December 9, 2014
We shouldn’t be torturing people. Period.
At the same time we are in a war, and attacking terrorists who are carrying out attacks via UAV is a legal act under the laws of war and pursuant to the AUMF and declarations by the current and former administrations to go after AQ and ISIL and related groups/figures (assuming we get permission to do so from the local govt where act occurrs, assuming that there’s a government to even communicate with).
171 | Dr. Matt Dec 9, 2014 10:03:26am |
REMINDER: It's been 2058 days since @seanhannity promised to undergo #waterboarding “for charity” and “for the troops”. #coward— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) December 9, 2014
173 | The Vicious Babushka Dec 9, 2014 10:08:02am |
I need to send a dataset that has inserted rows with 0 value that don’t exist in the original dataset.
175 | Lidane Dec 9, 2014 10:17:39am |
Ugh. I’m home sick today. No surprise, since this job already has me stressed out and sleeping poorly. I had a headache all day yesterday and people noticed I wasn’t at 100% so when I texted the boss this morning he just told me to feel better and that he’d see me tomorrow.
I hate being sick. This sucks. Blah.
176 | Ace-o-aces Dec 9, 2014 10:17:42am |
Did Twitter change how they block people? I can’t even see the tweets of people who block me now.
177 | Kragar Dec 9, 2014 10:18:52am |
If you condone torture because “they would do the same to us”, you don't deserve to call yourself an American #TortureReport— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) December 9, 2014
178 | Higgs Boson's Mate Dec 9, 2014 10:19:13am |
re: #169 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
re:
#166Ah, I was waiting for RWNJ Hugh Hewitt’s opinion on this.
But, remember, Hugh and all other Values Voting RWNJ value Transparency, Truth, and Decency and Life.
/
He’s right, friends. That Americans die is in no way the fault of the Bush administration for protracting the war in Afghanistan by lying us into a war with Iraq, nor is it to be attributed to the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians in the course of that latter war. No one in the ME knew that their fellow citizens were being abducted, held without charges and tortured until Feinstein spilled the beans.
179 | ObserverArt Dec 9, 2014 10:32:19am |
re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
He is still an Anglican Bishop, he is not coming out against St Paul, he is simply asking us to interpret his writings in the light of him likely being a closeted gay.
Question. Can you use the term closeted gay?
Back in the time of the apostles, is there any indication that homosexuals needed to be closeted? Or, was homosexuality forced into the closet because of Christianity/religions which grew and established the books and dogma that would lead to homosexuals going into the closet.
The reason I wonder, and I may be getting my eras messed up, but homosexuality was pretty open in Greece, and probably other cultures at the same time. I say this based on some examples of Greek art that are very open about homosexuality that indicate it was pretty well accepted.
You needed the bible and years of interpretation to get to the point that homosexuality was considered a sin and then pushed into the closet. And I wonder when in time that really came about.
By the way, I have no real knowledge of the history of mankind and sexuality in this area. The conversation and topic made me think…”when did the closet come about?”
180 | The Vicious Babushka Dec 9, 2014 10:32:41am |
re: #176 Ace-o-aces
Did Twitter change how they block people? I can’t even see the tweets of people who block me now.
I’m seeing Tweets of people that I blocked years ago, and that I know have blocked me.
181 | The Vicious Babushka Dec 9, 2014 10:33:30am |
So this sickening meme just showed up on TCOT
“@AmyMek: Amen! #tcot #Waterboarding #CIAReport pic.twitter.com/J8GFlokrkJ”. “PRAYS THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION”— Keith Seadler (@kayseadler) December 9, 2014
182 | Higgs Boson's Mate Dec 9, 2014 10:35:39am |
re: #179 ObserverArt
The conversation and topic made me think…”when did the closet come about?”
Late Middle Ages. Taken from the Old French diminutive for “closed.”
183 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 10:38:25am |
re:
#181
I can’t see the picture since I’m at work but I’m sure it’s a fine example of Exceptional American values.
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184 | Kragar Dec 9, 2014 10:38:49am |
re: #181 The Vicious Babushka
So this sickening meme just showed up on TCOT
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The word you were looking for is “Praise”, you ignorant hicks @kayseadler @AmyMek— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) December 9, 2014
185 | #FergusonFireside Dec 9, 2014 10:39:27am |
re: #181 The Vicious Babushka
So this sickening meme just showed up on TCOT
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I believe Sarah Palin said that first.
186 | Ace-o-aces Dec 9, 2014 10:41:59am |
re: #180 The Vicious Babushka
I’m seeing Tweets of people that I blocked years ago, and that I know have blocked me.
It’s weird, because all of a sudden I can see no tweet from people who have blocked me (In particular Chucky C and the Ayatollah Fischer) whereas just yesterday I could see all their tweets. And I know they blocked me months ago.
187 | Feline Fearless Leader Dec 9, 2014 10:44:20am |
re: #186 Ace-o-aces
It’s weird, because all of a sudden I can see no tweet from people who have blocked me (In particular Chucky C and the Ayatollah Fischer) whereas just yesterday I could see all their tweets. And I know they blocked me months ago.
Maybe that’s the approach. Avoid complaints to Twitter by letting the sender block who gets to see the Tweet - and only allow complaints from those who received the Tweet. So a jackass can self-select to avoid the critics getting the Tweets.
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188 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 10:45:20am |
Meanwhile, FoxNews is treating the release of the CIA report just as you would imagine:
Not sure where the “balance” to this “fair” opinion is but I’m sure it’s on their site somewhere. /
189 | Romantic Heretic Dec 9, 2014 10:46:14am |
re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Obama mentioned the salient point: what would the GOP replace it with?
Replace?
Only rich people are deserving of health care! The rest are peasants so are as expendable as the tires on my ten Ferraris
190 | Feline Fearless Leader Dec 9, 2014 10:47:44am |
Thanks John. You talking about your experiences on the Senate floor in a serious manner is about 8 years too late. Pompous jackass!
191 | Dr. Matt Dec 9, 2014 10:48:57am |
re: #188 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Meanwhile, FoxNews is treating the release of the CIA report just as you would imagine:
Not sure where the “balance” to this “fair” opinion is but I’m sure it’s on their site somewhere. /
I stopped reading after, “This is the apology tour on steroids.”
Assholes
192 | Feline Fearless Leader Dec 9, 2014 10:49:13am |
re: #188 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Meanwhile, FoxNews is treating the release of the CIA report just as you would imagine:
Not sure where the “balance” to this “fair” opinion is but I’m sure it’s on their site somewhere. /
Yea, Rubio and Rodgers are whining that releasing this information is empowering the enemies of America.
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193 | Decatur Deb Dec 9, 2014 10:50:04am |
re: #122 lawhawk
VThe CIA did not vet torture program participants, some of whom had “admitted to sexual assault.”
You go to war with the sadists you have, not the sadists you might want.
194 | The Vicious Babushka Dec 9, 2014 10:50:16am |
War Criminal joins in:
Hey @SenFeinstein If we're so concerned about rights of enemy combatants, why don't we just stop fighting? http://t.co/4D9alyBVtT #tcot— Allen West (@AllenWest) December 9, 2014
195 | ObserverArt Dec 9, 2014 10:50:19am |
re: #182 Higgs Boson’s Mate
The conversation and topic made me think…”when did the closet come about?”
Late Middle Ages. Taken from the Old French diminutive for “closed.”
Is that an architectural term?
I was wondering about the term as used for in-hiding, out of the public.
196 | nearly-headless smith25 Dec 9, 2014 10:50:49am |
Here in Lexington today:
UK protest against police brutality begins at Patterson Office Tower pic.twitter.com/2UYFB9ge12— Linda Blackford (@lbblackford) December 9, 2014
197 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 10:51:05am |
re: #193 Decatur Deb
You go to war with the sadists you have, not the sadists you might want.
They went and contracted to get the sadists they wanted. $80 million to duo who concocted the interrogation scheme.
198 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 10:51:11am |
Carlos Danger is a fucking moron
Carlos Danger has questions. pic.twitter.com/w9DPMP5MXR— Sean McElwee (@SeanMcElwee) December 9, 2014
@PillowThighs @mattyglesias nice try, but did you read the passage? not rape but ugly threatening words. are words really torture?— Anthony Weiner (@anthonyweiner) December 9, 2014
Are words torture? If those words are “tell me what I want to know or I will rape your ma” then, YES, IT’S FUCKING TORTURE.
199 | danarchy Dec 9, 2014 10:51:17am |
re: #190 Feline Fearless Leader
Thanks John. You talking about your experiences on the Senate floor in a serious manner is about 8 years too late. Pompous jackass!
Wasn’t McCain out early and often with the “Torture is bad” message? There are lot’s of things to criticize him for, not sure this is one.
200 | Decatur Deb Dec 9, 2014 10:52:09am |
re: #197 lawhawk
They went and contracted to get the sadists they wanted. $80 million to duo who concocted the interrogation scheme.
Contracting out always delivers the product faster and cheaper.
201 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 10:52:11am |
re: #194 The Vicious Babushka
.@AllenWest .@SenFeinstein you can fight and defend against terrorism without resorting to torture, not that West would know how that works— lawhawk (@lawhawk) December 9, 2014
202 | Kragar Dec 9, 2014 10:52:27am |
re: #194 The Vicious Babushka
War Criminal joins in:
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Nice of war criminal @AllenWest to chime in. Civilized nations follow rules for warfare. Maybe you heard about them? @SenFeinstein— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) December 9, 2014
203 | Feline Fearless Leader Dec 9, 2014 10:52:55am |
re: #200 Decatur Deb
Contracting out always delivers the product faster and cheaper.
Fast, cheap, or good. Pick two.
/ :p
204 | BeachDem Dec 9, 2014 10:53:06am |
When you want definitive answers to the torture questions, where do you go? Why, Fox, of course, for the finely honed, adroitly reasoned sound stylings of those well-known foreign policy experts, Jesse Watters, Andrea Tantaros and Harris Faulkner:
Watters told the hosts of Out Numbered that the American people did not need to know about torture at the CIA because “people do nasty things in the dark…
“The United States of America is awesome, we are awesome,” she (Tantaros) said. “But we’ve had this discussion. We’ve closed the book on it, and we’ve stopped doing it. And the reason they want to have this discussion is not to show how awesome we are. This administration wants to have this discussion to show us how we’re not awesome…”
“Or it’s what you said,” co-host Harris Faulkner interrupted. “Jonathan Gruber is on the Hill today.”
It’s like a trilogy of terror…or a triumvirate of stupid. And that’s what the right-wing morons will be spreading today.
205 | Dr. Matt Dec 9, 2014 10:53:17am |
GOP small government: $80 million to concoct an interrogation scheme.
206 | lawhawk Dec 9, 2014 10:53:41am |
BTW, @MarcoRubio thinks that ineffective torture is patriotic and shouldn’t be questioned. https://t.co/nx87053aaZ— Phil Plait (@BadAstronomer) December 9, 2014
207 | Romantic Heretic Dec 9, 2014 10:54:51am |
re: #56 b.d.
Only the people on Planet Wingnut even know what a Gruber is let alone give a rat’s ass as to what he has to say.
I thought Gruber was the villain in the first Die Hard movie.
208 | Lidane Dec 9, 2014 10:54:53am |
Rush Limbaugh asks if President Obama, not torture, is “a stain on our nation's honor” http://t.co/ONCFbjFym9 pic.twitter.com/a5S6cU9O9d— Media Matters (@mmfa) December 9, 2014
209 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 9, 2014 10:55:00am |
re:
#204
“The United States of America is awesome, we are awesome,” she (Tantaros) said. “But we’ve had this discussion. We’ve closed the book on it, and we’ve stopped doing it. And the reason they want to have this discussion is not to show how awesome we are. This administration wants to have this discussion to show us how we’re not awesome…”
When does Tantaros graduate from junior high school?
210 | Ace-o-aces Dec 9, 2014 10:55:56am |
OK, fess up. Which of you Jokers is responsible for this:
twitter.com
211 | ObserverArt Dec 9, 2014 10:56:14am |
re: #192 Feline Fearless Leader
Yea, Rubio and Rodgers are whining that releasing this information is empowering the enemies of America.
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Oh, like it isn’t well known in the middle east…and all over the world now.
Snakes. The Republicans are snakes, the whole lot of them. What a sad-sack party they have become.
And just think Rubio was being sold as presidential material. How much more demonstration does the American voting public need to see that shows he can’t stand on his own ideals. The minute he gets a little heat he crumbles and gets back in the party line. Fucking wimp.
And as far as McCain. Time for the old war machine to be shut down. Decommission him now. Even on a completely clear day he yells at clouds.
212 | ObserverArt Dec 9, 2014 10:58:34am |
re: #198 Franklin
Carlos Danger is a fucking moron
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Are words torture? If those words are “tell me what I want to know or I will rape your ma” then, YES, IT’S FUCKING TORTURE.
I wish he would stop torturing us with him being who he is. Words and images.
213 | Romantic Heretic Dec 9, 2014 10:59:08am |
re: #67 lawhawk
Bob Cesca @bobcesca_go
The CIA lied to GWB about the efficacy of the interrogation techniques. #torturereport
I don’t think telling the truth with Cheney sitting there would be good for a career.
Or someone’s life for that matter. Semi/
214 | BeachDem Dec 9, 2014 10:59:16am |
re: #209 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
re:
#204When does Tantaros graduate from junior high school?
Soon after she masters the 3rd grade equivalency test. (But like, you know, when she does, it will be like AWESOME!)
215 | Franklin Dec 9, 2014 11:00:43am |
re: #210 Ace-o-aces
OK, fess up. Which of you Jokers is responsible for this:
twitter.com
Oh my
Every fucking piece of info needed to contact me & my family: USE THIS INFO: https://t.co/SKhzfC5rAi #ChuckCJohnson #IStandWithJackie— Chuck C. Johnson (@ChuckCJohnson_) December 9, 2014
216 | Feline Fearless Leader Dec 9, 2014 11:00:53am |
re: #199 danarchy
Wasn’t McCain out early and often with the “Torture is bad” message? There are lot’s of things to criticize him for, not sure this is one.
Says it, but won’t break lockstep with his party over it. And once it was no longer the Bush Administration he has been fairly silent on the issue. So I’d say that he’ll ignore it unless he has to.
(If I Google “McCain opposes torture” most of the entries are 6+ years old.)
217 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Dec 9, 2014 11:07:06am |
re: #195 ObserverArt
Is that an architectural term?
I was wondering about the term as used for in-hiding, out of the public.
It’s pretty recent. etymonline.com says this:
The adjective is from 1680s, “private, secluded”; meaning “secret, unknown” recorded from 1952, first of alcoholism, but by 1970s used principally of homosexuality; the phrase come out of the closet “admit something openly” first recorded 1963, and lent new meanings to the word out.
218 | ObserverArt Dec 9, 2014 11:14:23am |
re: #217 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
It’s pretty recent. etymonline.com says this:
Thanks for the link. I will be bookmarking it as I love words, and I like to know their beginnings, roots, how they added definitions trough use, etc.
219 | #FergusonFireside Dec 9, 2014 11:21:46am |
re: #210 Ace-o-aces
OK, fess up. Which of you Jokers is responsible for this:
twitter.com
omg he got hacked. Or is that a spoof site?
220 | Archangelus Dec 9, 2014 11:22:15am |
re: #86 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
He’s not alone in this dickery.
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Fuck all torture apologists.
A simple ‘f&ck them’ doesn’t even come close to express the sheer contempt and anger I have at these sub-human fractions of human beings; All those who glorified and empowered the use of torture against terrorists in US captivity have the blood of good men and women on their hands - as it’s what encouraged and motivated the enemy to murder abduct and torture US troops and contractors throughout the course of the War on Terror as led by Bush the Considerably Lesser.
Those who encourage this crap are every bit as bad as the worst of the enemy we fought, and are every bit as much responsible for good people suffering and dying, plain and freakin’ simple.
Screw them with a radioactive-coated thermite-laced iron pitchfork.
221 | Ace-o-aces Dec 9, 2014 11:24:26am |
omg he got hacked. Or is that a spoof site?
Spoof. There is an underscore at the end of the name.
222 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Dec 9, 2014 11:47:46am |
re: #198 Franklin
Carlos Danger is a fucking moron
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Are words torture? If those words are “tell me what I want to know or I will rape your ma” then, YES, IT’S FUCKING TORTURE.
1. The dick has never heard of psychological torture?
2. The dick used to pretend to be oh so liberal. All an act…
223 | dholmes32 Dec 9, 2014 1:02:32pm |
re: #200 Decatur Deb
Contracting out always delivers the product faster and cheaper.
One of the guys heading up this torture conglomerate, named Bruce Jessen, is Mormon. In 2012, he was called as a bishop (leader of a congregation). He apparently resigned shortly thereafter when the news hit papers in the Western US.
Got to wonder what his take of the $80 million was. I’m sure he paid tithing to the church, otherwise he wouldn’t have been called as a bishop.