New York Times Editorial Board Slams Dishonest Planned Parenthood “Sting” Videos

A dishonest attempt to make legal, voluntary and potentially lifesaving tissue donations appear nefarious and illegal
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Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards

The New York Times holds nothing back in this excellent editorial on the blatantly deceptive “sting” videos released by the far right “Center for Medical Progress.”

A hidden-camera video released last week purported to show that Planned Parenthood illegally sells tissue from aborted fetuses. It shows nothing of the sort. But it is the latest in a series of unrelenting attacks on Planned Parenthood, which offers health care services to millions of people every year. The politicians howling to defund Planned Parenthood care nothing about the truth here, being perfectly willing to undermine women’s reproductive rights any way they can.

More: The Campaign of Deception Against Planned Parenthood - the New York Times

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Drive By Commenter  Jul 22, 2015 • 1:30:15pm

It’s about time.

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Mike R  Jul 22, 2015 • 1:40:39pm

Yes it is about time, to bad that the crazies don’t care about truth, justice and the American way, unless that conforms totally to their preconceived notions.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:15:37pm
The Center for Medical Progress — which managed to get tax-exempt status in 2013 as a biomedicine charity, according to a report by The Huffington Post — appears to have done little beyond producing the undercover video. According to its registration form with the California attorney general, it has three officers: Mr. Daleiden; Albin Rhomberg, who has participated in anti-abortion protests; and Troy Newman, the president of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue.

Next time I hope PP checks with the State AG before meeting with any supposed “biomedical” group. Assuming they could have. But names like these are big. red. flags.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:17:07pm

A few fellow lizards stated that they thought PP will get defunded. There will be a fight, but PP is not acorn. PP workers pass picket lines every time they go to work. They get death threats. They have been fighting for a long time and have tons of lawyers/lobbyists. They are much better prepared than Acorn. (one can argue that Acorn was not at all prepared, but that’s for another time).

I almost hope that this is a long fight, and becomes part of the presidential election. It’s an issue that will bring out a lot of votes, but conservatives will not win with it, because most American do NOT want to make all abortions illegal nor do they want to defund PP (because it prevents abortion). It may also make the Republican candidate even more conservative in the primaries.

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Kragar  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:18:41pm

So far, the only crimes this group has exposed are their own:

Illegally recording conversations without consent.

Violating patient privacy according to their statements about secretly filming in clinics.

Lying to the IRS and other government agencies while setting up their bogus medical firm.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:19:17pm

re: #5 Kragar

So far, the only crimes this group has exposed are their own:

Illegally recording conversations without consent.

Violating patient privacy according to their statements about secretly filming in clinics.

Lying to the IRS and other government agencies while setting up their bogus medical firm.

But but but baby parts organs and LAMORGINIS!!!!11

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:20:26pm

Ahhh…The New York Times…bastion of liberalism!

You know that will be the excuse.

And that is just one aspect of our messed up media…the fact that everyone has their favorite “truth teller” they believe while at the same time having media they hate and will never believe.

Modern media…it’s broken because of stupid humans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:24:02pm

Do NOT read the comments…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:24:24pm

re: #7 ObserverArt

Ahhh…The New York Times…bastion of liberalism!

You know that will be the excuse.

And that is just one aspect of our messed up media…the fact that everyone has their favorite “truth teller” they believe while at the same time having media they hate and will never believe.

Modern media…it’s broken because of stupid humans.

clearly, nothing will work well in this country as long as humans are allowed to run it that’s what i say

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:25:51pm

On FB I am seeing morons trying to claim that $30-100/sample allows for plenty of profit. Clearly, these people have never tried to work in a lab, or ever shipped any live specimens anywhere. It’s not like you can put them in a Priority Mail Small Flat Box, fer chrissakes.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:26:20pm

Lizards. Time to call it a night. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:27:09pm

re: #10 Blind Frog Belly White

On FB I am seeing morons trying to claim that $30-100/sample allows for plenty of profit. Clearly, these people have never tried to work in a lab, or ever shipped any live specimens anywhere. It’s not like you can put them in a Priority Mail Small Flat Box, fer chrissakes.

C’mon man, just put it in a manila envelope with a couple of ice cubes and a few stamps…////

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:27:11pm

re: #9 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

clearly, nothing will work well in this country as long as humans are allowed to run it that’s what i say

Bring on the News Facts Droids!

Programmed to only seek, confirm and speak The Truth™.

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allegro  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:27:48pm

re: #4 Iwouldprefernotto

A few fellow lizards stated that they thought PP will get defunded. There will be a fight, but PP is not acorn. PP workers pass picket lines every time they go to work. They get death threats. They have been fighting for a long time and have tons of lawyers/lobbyists. They are much better prepared than Acorn. (one can argue that Acorn was not at all prepared, but that’s for another time).

I almost hope that this is a long fight, and becomes part of the presidential election. It’s an issue that will bring out a lot of votes, but conservatives will not win with it, because most American do NOT want to make all abortions illegal nor do they want to defund PP (because it prevents abortion). It may also make the Republican candidate even more conservative in the primaries.

I think it was a real unwise target for those idiot fucknoodles to hit. PP is seriously powerful but not because of palms they’ve greased. PP has been there for women for a century and I doubt I know a woman who has not used their services at some point. They took care of us - millions of us - creating a helluva force of support and goodwill… and $.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:28:17pm

re: #12 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

C’mon man, just put it in a manila envelope with a couple of ice cubes and a few stamps…////

1. Buy envelopes and coathangers.

2.????

3. PROFIT!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:28:22pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:29:45pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WILSON!!!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:31:29pm

So someone at the Navy Reserve Center actually had a gun and shot at him after he rammed the gate. So much for that gunhumper talking point.

cnn.com

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:32:47pm

re: #18 GlutenFreeJesus

So someone at the Navy Reserve Center actually had a gun and shot at him after he rammed the gate. So much for that gunhumper talking point.

cnn.com

Nah, they’ll just declare that if there had been MOAR GUNS, then the volume of fire would have stopped him cold. Watch, that’s what they’ll go with.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:32:54pm

HURR HURR BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH PARTS OF TEH VIDEO THAT AR NOT TEH FAKE!!!!!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:32:59pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

It’s VOIGT, dammit!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:33:18pm

saving everyone a click and having to answer popup survey questions:

CENTENNIAL, Colo. - On Wednesday, the judge in the Aurora movie theater shooting trial banned Newsweek from the courthouse premises for the rest of the proceedings.

The national news outlet tweeted the jury foreman’s name last week.

The defense team was able to pull up and print the tweet Wednesday morning.

The defense requested the organization and its reporters be banned for violating court procedures protecting the jurors’ privacy and the judge agreed.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:33:49pm

The other point is that new and improved President Obama (I love typing that) will veto any bill that defunds PP. Republicans don’t have the votes to override.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:33:52pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

Jesus would approve!!!

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KGxvi  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:34:17pm

re: #4 Iwouldprefernotto

according to this annual report from 2013, between national and affiliates, PP has $1.6b in total assets and less than $300m in liabilities. They got 45% of their revenue from “Government Health Services Grants and Reimbursements”, which, if I’m reading right was around $540m all to affiliates and that includes Medicaid payments.

I doubt ACORN was anywhere near that sound financially. Then again, PP has been fighting for decades, so they should be ready

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:35:02pm

re: #20 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH PARTS OF TEH VIDEO THAT AR NOT TEH FAKE!!!!!

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Maybe because the first video was totally fake, so why bother with the second one?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:36:06pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:37:52pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe because the first video was totally fake, so why bother with the second one?

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:41:27pm

re: #25 KGxvi

Welcome, hatchling.

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KGxvi  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:43:39pm

re: #29 wrenchwench

thanks, been lurking for years, finally decided to register.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:44:27pm

Apparently “Ted Cruz looks like” is a thing on twitter at the moment.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:46:27pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently “Ted Cruz looks like” is a thing on twitter at the moment.

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I still say he looks like an unlikable version of Grandpa Munster minus 20 years.

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Lidane  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:49:18pm

THIS ASSHOLE:

Pat Fallon is a Texas State Representative, BTW.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:51:28pm

re: #33 Lidane

THIS ASSHOLE:

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Pat Fallon is a Texas State Representative, BTW.

Everytime I think Texas has a peak wingnut asshole like GOHMERT! or Steve Stockman, I am introduced to guys like Mr. Fallon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:51:31pm
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Great White Snark  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:53:05pm
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Jenner7  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:53:51pm

re: #25 KGxvi

Welcome!

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retired cynic  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:55:02pm

re: #25 KGxvi

Welcome! I had guacamole for lunch. Any chance of some coffee and donuts for dessert?

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:56:11pm

re: #10 Blind Frog Belly White

On FB I am seeing morons trying to claim that $30-100/sample allows for plenty of profit. Clearly, these people have never tried to work in a lab, or ever shipped any live specimens anywhere. It’s not like you can put them in a Priority Mail Small Flat Box, fer chrissakes.

Why I’m not on facebook.

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Doofus  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:56:42pm
I got you

Gets me all warm and fuzzy inside, adopt your next pet! Someone get me a tissue.

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KGxvi  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:57:44pm

re: #38 retired cynic

I’d try to bring donuts, but no matter how many I get, they never make it to the meeting… and I’m really trying to cut a few pounds.

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Doofus  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:59:24pm

re: #38 retired cynic

Avocado with Brushetta Italian Vinaigrette where the pit was. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

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Jenner7  Jul 22, 2015 • 2:59:47pm

I’m going to my first “meet the candidates” for my city counsel. One of the candidates is Reno Mahe. He played for the Philadelphia Eagles and went to BYU. Should be interesting.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:02:41pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

I still say he looks like an unlikable version of Grandpa Munster minus 20 years.

You made me do it!

Ted “Munster” Cruz…who is a real monster!
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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:04:48pm

re: #33 Lidane

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:08:51pm

re: #44 ObserverArt

You made me do it!

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I just feel bad whenever I say it since Al Lewis who played Grandpa was a great guy.

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Jenner7  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:09:09pm

Then why leave her in a cell with a trash bag that you claim she hung herself with??

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:09:20pm

re: #45 WhatEVs

And he blocked me. :-)

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Lidane  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:10:00pm

re: #48 WhatEVs

And he blocked me. :-)

Blocked you and deleted all the comments too.

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:10:49pm

re: #49 Lidane

Blocked you and deleted all the comments too.

Yup.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:12:00pm

re: #45 WhatEVs

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What an asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:12:33pm

re: #49 Lidane

Blocked you and deleted all the comments too.

Facts are a bitch. I wonder what he thought about Clive Bundy and the idiots there who actually did threaten law enforcement but I guess that was different.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:13:52pm

Invest In Popcorn Now Before The Price Goes Up

Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry delivered a blistering critique of Donald Trump Wednesday, decrying the real estate mogul’s “barking carnival act” and likening it to a “cancer.”

“Let no one be mistaken - Donald Trump’s candidacy is a cancer on conservatism, and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised and discarded,” the 2016 presidential hopeful said during remarks in Washington D.C. “It cannot be pacified or ignored, for it will destroy a set of principles that has lifted more people out of poverty than any force in the history of the civilized world - the cause of conservatism.”

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Kragar  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:14:10pm
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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:15:56pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

What an asshole.

It’s ok…I am hitting him on twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:16:10pm

re: #55 WhatEVs

It’s ok…I am hitting him on twitter.

Please do.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:16:35pm

Do they really put trash cans with liners in them in the holding cells? People in there have been stripped of everything that could go into a trash can so why do they need a trash can? So a belligerent drunk can make a weapon out of it to assault the staff? Enlighten me why a temporary holding cell would have a trash receptacle in it.

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:21:51pm

Now they are over on Facebook saying she ran a stop sign.

Anything to blame the dead woman.

Fuck conservatives. Every last one of them.

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John Vreeland  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:22:18pm
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Kragar  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:24:31pm

re: #58 WhatEVs

“Ran a stop sign? Well, that makes her death while in police custody perfectly understandable.”

“Really?”

“NO! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?”

“Commie.”

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:26:04pm

re: #60 Kragar

And almost every comment there (but one) was FUCK YEAH!

I hate people.

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:29:23pm

re: #53 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Invest In Popcorn Now Before The Price Goes Up

Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry delivered a blistering critique of Donald Trump Wednesday, decrying the real estate mogul’s “barking carnival act” and likening it to a “cancer.”

“Let no one be mistaken - Donald Trump’s candidacy is a cancer on conservatism, and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised and discarded,” the 2016 presidential hopeful said during remarks in Washington D.C. “It cannot be pacified or ignored, for it will destroy a set of principles that has lifted more people out of poverty than any force in the history of the civilized world - the cause of conservatism.”

Too late, it has metastasized.

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:30:02pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

Too late, it has metastasized.

And Stage 4.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:32:59pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

Too late, it has metastasized.

re: #63 WhatEVs

And Stage 4.

Governor Herpes says what?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:34:24pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

Too late, it has metastasized.

Radiation, lots of radiation

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:36:08pm

re: #65 FormerDirtDart

Radiation, lots of radiation

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“I can’t swallow a pill that big.”

“Well, then good news! It’s a suppository!”

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:36:09pm

re: #58 WhatEVs

Now they are over on Facebook saying she ran a stop sign.

Anything to blame the dead woman.

Fuck conservatives. Every last one of them.

I was discussing the pool party case awhile back with a conservative and she was absolutely insistent that anything but total, unquestioning cooperation with a cop was the only way to go. Why? Because she believed that anything that could piss off a cop is grounds for arrest. That if a person had respect for the cop and the law, they’ll do what they’re told and not in any way give the cop reason to handcuff them.

I told her that’s not respect, that’s fear.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:37:20pm

Dirty f’n cops. Now they are saying that she mentioned something about suicide before they locked her up in her cell. And of course. There’s no evidence. We are supposed to just take their word for it. F them.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:38:04pm

I see the recent Quinnipiac polls are showing Hillary trailing Bush, Rubio and Walker in some key swing states.

I was looking at some articles on the polling and noticed when I did a Google search almost all of the hits were on major conservative sites. Now I know a poll like that would be heavily touted at conservative media so no surprise.

I would like to know, because I am not all that studied on polling and methodology, is Quinnipiac trusted generally and does it have any leanings right and left?

I usually try to go with an average of many polls so that I can hopefully count the biases as being averaged out. And, I also wait for polling closer to an actual vote. We are a distance off yet and the polls will be up and down a few times.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:38:14pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

I was discussing the pool party case awhile back with a conservative and she was absolutely insistent that anything but total, unquestioning cooperation with a cop was the only way to go. Why? Because she believed that anything that could piss off a cop is grounds for arrest. That if a person had respect for the cop and the law, they’ll do what they’re told and not in any way give the cop reason to handcuff them.

I told her that’s not respect, that’s fear.

That, and servility.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:40:20pm

re: #10 Blind Frog Belly White

On FB I am seeing morons trying to claim that $30-100/sample allows for plenty of profit. Clearly, these people have never tried to work in a lab, or ever shipped any live specimens anywhere. It’s not like you can put them in a Priority Mail Small Flat Box, fer chrissakes.

Isn’t it amazing how they’re experts on the detail of any fucking thing that occurs. Such knowledge! Fuck. Obama could make a speech calling for increased spending on magnetohydrodynamics research and within two minutes they’d be telling each other authoritatively that magnetohydrodynamics will turn us all into gay muslims.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:40:39pm

re: #47 Jenner7

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Then why leave her in a cell with a trash bag that you claim she hung herself with??

And why is he only mentioning that little detail now, over a week later?

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Great White Snark  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:40:50pm
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Jenner7  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:41:20pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:41:48pm

re: #69 ObserverArt

I see the recent Quinnipiac polls are showing Hillary trailing Bush, Rubio and Walker in some key swing states.

I was looking at some articles on the polling and noticed when I did a Google search almost all of the hits were on major conservative sites. Now I know a poll like that would be heavily touted at conservative media so no surprise.

I would like to know, because I am not all that studied on polling and methodology, is Quinnipiac trusted generally and does it have any leanings right and left?

I usually try to go with an average of many polls so that I can hopefully count the biases as being averaged out. And, I also wait for polling closer to an actual vote. We are a distance off yet and the polls will be up and down a few times.

There’s an analysis of that on DKos. It says that while Q has an okay track record, they sometimes produce wild outliers. It also says that given her lead in national polls, for her to be in that situation in a few swing states would require unbelievable results elsewhere. Further, it would have requires HUGE swings in just a couple of months.

Over all, my take is to view with skepticism. Don’t disregard, and don’t fall prey to ‘Unskewed!’, but view with skepticism.

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:42:12pm

re: #73 Great White Snark

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The GOP committed suicide by poisoned tea.

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Great White Snark  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:43:17pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

The GOP committed suicide by poisoned tea.

Almost a Haiku, no?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:43:35pm

re: #65 FormerDirtDart

Radiation, lots of radiation

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I never knew the Ivory Coast had the bomb!

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Jenner7  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:44:12pm

The question: Are you thinking about killing yourself today? Checked NO.

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:44:24pm

re: #77 Great White Snark

Almost a Haiku, no?

More like a death poem, just before the party committed political seppuku.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:44:48pm

re: #78 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I never knew the Ivory Coast had the bomb!

Obama gave them one of ours because Ivory Coast is majority black.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:46:09pm

re: #77 Great White Snark

Almost a Haiku, no?

Doko iku no?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:46:11pm

re: #69 ObserverArt

People know Hillary, most of the GOP candidates have yet to introduce us to how truly anti-science, anti-women, gay, employee and minority rights they are.

That will come out in the debates.

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:47:07pm

re: #57 Amory Blaine

Do they really put trash cans with liners in them in the holding cells? People in there have been stripped of everything that could go into a trash can so why do they need a trash can? So a belligerent drunk can make a weapon out of it to assault the staff? Enlighten me why a temporary holding cell would have a trash receptacle in it.

A large ass trash receptacle. With a fresh bag in it per the video of the cell.

It’s such bullshit.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:48:18pm

re: #81 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Obama gave them one of ours because Ivory Coast is majority black.

We’re both racists—you’re supposed to say “Côte d’Ivoire” nowadays. But there’s that pesky definite article—which is a insult. My head hurts.

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:48:55pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

And why is he only mentioning that little detail now, over a week later?

They’ve framed their defense.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:51:09pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s an analysis of that on DKos. It says that while Q has an okay track record, they sometimes produce wild outliers. It also says that given her lead in national polls, for her to be in that situation in a few swing states would require unbelievable results elsewhere. Further, it would have requires HUGE swings in just a couple of months.

Over all, my take is to view with skepticism. Don’t disregard, and don’t fall prey to ‘Unskewed!’, but view with skepticism.

Thanks for the info. I’ll check out Daily Kos

And going with what I was commenting in #7 above…this is where it gets tricky. FOX loves the poll. DKos will most likely be liberal in impression. So, any discussion of the polls with others will be us versus them. Sure would be nice to have a source that most believed is trusted by all. I know…it’s a dream.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:52:30pm

re: #85 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

We’re both racists—you’re supposed to say “Côte d’Ivoire” nowadays. But there’s that pesky definite article—which is a insult. My head hurts.

Fuck if I’ll speak the language of those cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:53:32pm

re: #69 ObserverArt

I see the recent Quinnipiac polls are showing Hillary trailing Bush, Rubio and Walker in some key swing states.

I was looking at some articles on the polling and noticed when I did a Google search almost all of the hits were on major conservative sites. Now I know a poll like that would be heavily touted at conservative media so no surprise.

I would like to know, because I am not all that studied on polling and methodology, is Quinnipiac trusted generally and does it have any leanings right and left?

I usually try to go with an average of many polls so that I can hopefully count the biases as being averaged out. And, I also wait for polling closer to an actual vote. We are a distance off yet and the polls will be up and down a few times.

I had a perfect system for many years—well, leading up to the General Election. I’d keep a running mental tally of the average of all the poll results I saw, add 2 points in favor of the Democrat, and I was always right on.

That worked until 2004. I knew it was going to be close, I had it dead even in my head, but the motion had been in Kerry’s direction. I really thought Kerry would win. That’s when I knew that either the polls had become more slanted than the 2% I allowed, or the votes weren’t being counted correctly. Or both.

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:54:08pm

OT, Trump’s hair is getting WORSE.

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KGxvi  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:54:36pm

re: #87 ObserverArt

for what it’s worth, 538 had Quinnipiac as the polling firm with the second strongest Republican bias in 2012. that might have something to do with the results (it’s been a long time since i studied polling, but it typically has to do with the registered/likely voter models and days/times/phone lines used to conduct the polls).

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:55:55pm

re: #90 #FergusonFireside

OT, Trump’s hair is getting WORSE.

I know that it’s theoretically possible but, damn!

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:56:06pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:56:23pm

re: #87 ObserverArt

Thanks for the info. I’ll check out Daily Kos

And going with what I was commenting in #7 above…this is where it gets tricky. FOX loves the poll. DKos will most likely be liberal in impression. So, any discussion of the polls with others will be us versus them. Sure would be nice to have a source that most believed is trusted by all. I know…it’s a dream.

I’d suggest reading the article, and judging it on its own merits. DKos has many contributors, and I find that on polling, some are quite good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:56:32pm

re: #90 #FergusonFireside

OT, Trump’s hair is getting WORSE.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:56:43pm

That form DeRay posted. The date/year it claims she attempted suicide is corrected. 2014/2015. Red flag IMO. It’s July already. Not still January where I’d still be writing 2014 on my checks.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:57:13pm

re: #90 #FergusonFireside

OT, Trump’s hair is getting WORSE.

Wait until he’s president. It will all fall down around his shaggy klarn.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:57:28pm

re: #93 #FergusonFireside

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If you want to label a whole group of people rapists, Donny, then you should have the balls to answer questions about that subject instead of crying like a little bitch when you’re called out.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:57:30pm

re: #90 #FergusonFireside

OT, Trump’s hair is getting WORSE.

You’d think somebody of his YOOOGE!! wealth could afford plugs, wouldn’t you? Maybe he’s hairless—like a MEXICAN!! hairless?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:59:04pm

re: #99 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You’d think somebody of his YOOOGE!! wealth could afford plugs, wouldn’t you? Maybe he’s hairless—like a MEXICAN!! hairless?

“That’s not hair, it’s a rat and it has rabies, Mr. Trump.”

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2015 • 3:59:46pm

I just did the kind of on-the-spot repair that I’ve been turning down so far, because I don’t perform like I used to. The customer helped me rack up the bike, and held it still when I needed him to. Ordinarily I’d be embarrassed about the glasses-swapping and the staring at wrenches that I have to do to see what size they are, but this guy was having me do what he was unable to do on his son’s bike, and he’s been my customer since he was younger than his son is now.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:02:54pm

What’s worse for trump, besides his hair being a piece? That it’s probably his actual hair.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:03:29pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:04:00pm

re: #94 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d suggest reading the article, and judging it on its own merits. DKos has many contributors, and I find that on polling, some are quite good.

I have it open in another tab right now. I read Kos and trust them. I just was talking about how if I want to discuss this poll with a Hillary hater there will be no reasoning…the poll is THE TRUTH until the next time when it might change and go the other way and then QUINNIPIAC SUCKS!

Hmmm. Best to not debate it! Stay safe and keep relations. Do the duck thing…let the water roll off your back.

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:04:36pm

re: #97 Decatur Deb

Wait until he’s president. It will all fall down around his shaggy klarn.

His ego won’t handle the aging of the office.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:05:42pm

re: #104 ObserverArt

The only poll that matters is on Election Day.

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Varek Raith  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:06:53pm

re: #106 GlutenFreeJesus

The only poll that matters is on Election Day.

RON PAUL

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:08:45pm

re: #104 ObserverArt

I have it open in another tab right now. I read Kos and trust them. I just was talking about how if I want to discuss this poll with a Hillary hater there will be no reasoning…the poll is THE TRUTH until the next time when it might change and go the other way and then QUINNIPIAC SUCKS!

Hmmm. Best to not debate it! Stay safe and keep relations. Do the duck thing…let it the water roll off your back.

Especially this distance from the general election.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:10:09pm

re: #101 wrenchwench

I just did the kind of on-the-spot repair that I’ve been turning down so far, because I don’t perform like I used to. The customer helped me rack up the bike, and held it still when I needed him to. Ordinarily I’d be embarrassed about the glasses-swapping and the staring at wrenches that I have to do to see what size they are, but this guy was having me do what he was unable to do on his son’s bike, and he’s been my customer since he was younger than his son is now.

Paraphrasing—You don’t get paid for wrenching a bolt. You get paid for knowing which bolt to wrench.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:10:39pm

You don’t want to completely ignore polls but you don’t want ot make them every thing either.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:11:06pm

re: #105 #FergusonFireside

His ego won’t handle the aging of the office.

Fortunately, he won’t ever experience that tragedy.

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Varek Raith  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:12:38pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:17:09pm

re Florida: Radar shows Tallahassee is about to get pounded.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:17:14pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

You don’t want to completely ignore polls but you don’t want ot make them every thing either.

We are Americans. We want miracle diets, instant get rich quick schemes, pills that cure us immediately and our election results fifteen months in advance.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:18:18pm

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We are Americans. We want miracle diets, instant get rich quick schemes, pills that cure us immediately and our election results fifteen months in advance.

Yep.

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EPR-radar  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:20:21pm

Another entry for the ‘Not the Onion’ file thedailybeast.com

Apparently some idiot by the name of Matt Lewis thinks Rush Limbaugh should deal with Trumpzilla.

As I’ve written on numerous occasions, one of the major problems confronting the conservative movement today is that individual actors have perverse incentives to tarnish the collective brand.

We see this play out when politicians like Trump say controversial things for the sake of buzz and poll numbers, but also true of conservative “personalities” who, after all, also need buzz and ratings and page views. Everyone is looking out for themselves, not conservatism or conservatives in general. It’s basically a “tragedy of the commons”-type situation, where there are no adults looking out for the common good.

But with great power comes great responsibility. And Limbaugh is one of the few leaders in the conservative movement who has the megaphone and the juice to enforce discipline and good behavior, the way Bill Buckley did when he chose to write Ayn Rand, the Birchers, and a whole host of other unpleasant factions, out of the conservative movement.

This may be the Platonic Ideal of unintended irony.

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:20:57pm

WINDOW ROCK - The 23rd Navajo Nation Council held a moment of silence during the second day of the Summer Council Session, after learning of the loss of Navajo Code Talker Kee Etsicitty, who passed away on Tuesday at the age of 92. Etsicitty lived in the community of Chichiltah, located approximately 25-miles south of Gallup, New Mexico.

[…]

At a young age, Etsicitty answered the call to serve his country in the U.S. Marine Corps in 1943, serving proudly as a Navajo Code Talker during World War II.

[…]

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:21:52pm

re: #116 EPR-radar

Another entry for the ‘Not the Onion’ file thedailybeast.com

Apparently some idiot by the name of Matt Lewis thinks Rush Limbaugh should deal with Trumpzilla.

This may be the Platonic Ideal of unintended irony.

Haahahhahaha. Excuse me but hahhahaha.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:22:08pm

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We are Americans. We want miracle diets, instant get rich quick schemes, pills that cure us immediately and our election results fifteen months in advance.

Agree. I only cared because I’ve had to hear about it. So, there are some fully prepared to use polls now to mouth off.

Sigh. It is going to be a long drawn out affair.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:22:28pm

re: #113 Decatur Deb

re Florida: Radar shows Tallahassee is about to get pounded.

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If voter turnout is any indication, at least half of America would be okay with a president chosen by a reality show.

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Varek Raith  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:26:39pm

Florida Man for President!

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:27:22pm
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b_sharp  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:27:55pm

re: #120 Higgs Boson’s Mate

If voter turnout is any indication, at least half of America would be okay with a president chosen by a reality show.

Perhaps they could call it “Filling the Whitehouse” or “Overflow in the Whitehouse.”

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retired cynic  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:27:59pm

re: #117 wrenchwench

Good post from Stonekettle, with this at the end:

“We are a nation whose government is of the people, by the people, and for the people. If you, as an American, want a better government, then you have to be better citizens.” — Jim Wright, on Facebook facebook.com

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:29:31pm

UC to raise its minimum wage to $15 an hour, Janet Napolitano says

The minimum wage for several thousand workers on University of California campuses will be raised to $15 an hour over the next three years, UC President Janet Napolitano announced Wednesday…
…”This is the right thing to do for our workers and their families. It is the right thing to do given the mission and values of our public university,” Napolitano said at the UC regents meeting in San Francisco.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:30:35pm

re: #124 retired cynic

That’s commie talk!!!!

//

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:35:09pm

re: #123 b_sharp

Perhaps they could call it “Filling the Whitehouse” or “Overflow in the Whitehouse.”

Or “Ow, My Balls!

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stpaulbear  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:35:10pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

Well now we have to be concerned about Elton’s safety too. Fucking cops…

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:37:34pm

re: #123 b_sharp

Perhaps they could call it “Filling the Whitehouse” or “Overflow in the Whitehouse.”

How about we equip all of the candidates with pugil sticks, put them on the roof of the White House, and then have them knock each other to the ground below. The president would be the last one left on the roof.
Proposed title: Droppin’ in at 1600.
So we can enjoy:
“And here’s an instant replay of that Portico shot. Ouch, that’s gotta hurt!”

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Dave In Austin  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:48:45pm

2nd interview with FaceBook done. Now on to the interview “Team”. 2 down, not sure how many to go…..

Not sure how this happened.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:50:04pm

re: #130 Dave In Austin

2nd interview with FaceBook done. Now on to the interview “Team”. 2 down, not sure how many to go…..

Not sure how this happened.

Congratulations! If you land the job can you get us free Facebook?
/American voter, 2015

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Saint Stephen  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:50:08pm

re: #59 John Vreeland

Jeez Louise! I’ve seen a couple of pictures of prison on TV that showed 50 or 100 bunk beds in one big room. Yeah, that looks really comfortable.

133
wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:53:43pm

I’ve been saving this for RealityBasedSteve. Could someone point it out to him? Thanks. I gotta go.

Later, lizards.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:56:07pm

re: #132 Saint Stephen

Jeez Louise! I’ve seen a couple of pictures of prison on TV that showed 50 or 100 bunk beds in one big room. Yeah, that looks really comfortable.

Someone needs to explain to Carson that inmates are sentenced to incarceration, not fucking torture. He’d wet his pants if he had to sit down to chow with those men, let alone be locked up with them for years.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:56:58pm

re: #132 Saint Stephen

Jeez Louise! I’ve seen a couple of pictures of prison on TV that showed 50 or 100 bunk beds in one big room. Yeah, that looks really comfortable.

Yeah, but I bet those beds had mattresses. Maybe even pillows. Luxury! Luxury!

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Dave In Austin  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:59:44pm

re: #131 Higgs Boson’s Mate

All you want!!
It’s a Facilities position. Might be a nice way to finish out my working career.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 4:59:51pm

re: #135 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but I bet those beds had mattresses. Maybe even pillows. Luxury! Luxury!

And a really shiny stainless steel combination sink-shitter with cold and cold running water in every cell. I found that out researching a term paper. No, really.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:01:07pm

re: #136 Dave In Austin

All you want!!
It’s a Facilities position. Might be a nice way to finish out my working career.

There have been times when something close to home that paid enough to keep the doors open was just fine with me.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:02:04pm

re: #137 Higgs Boson’s Mate

And a really shiny stainless steel combination sink-shitter with cold and cold running water in every cell. I found that out researching a term paper. No, really.

Yeah, and that nice little cozy space that gets locked up with you on the inside. Just the thought of it is starting to get my claustrophobia going.

ETA: the other thing is Carson’s reasoning is that sometimes inmates about to be released will do something to stay in, especially in winter. This is perhaps more a comment on how shitty they expect to find things on the outside than how cushy things are on the inside, especially in winter.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:06:51pm

re: #139 Blind Frog Belly White

Aw, this is another dose of the same bullshit they were pedaling about the administration setting up a luxury resort for the children who were illegally fleeing here.

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:11:33pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:11:56pm

re: #53 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Invest In Popcorn Now Before The Price Goes Up

Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry delivered a blistering critique of Donald Trump Wednesday, decrying the real estate mogul’s “barking carnival act” and likening it to a “cancer.”

“Let no one be mistaken - Donald Trump’s candidacy is a cancer on conservatism, and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised and discarded,” the 2016 presidential hopeful said during remarks in Washington D.C. “It cannot be pacified or ignored, for it will destroy a set of principles that has lifted more people out of poverty than any force in the history of the civilized world - the cause of conservatism.”

Rick Perry, a totally overrated clown who speaks without knowing facts, is not going to make the country great again. if you were smart, which you are not, you would oppose the monstrous windfarms that will destroy your country. Who cares!

Trump Insult Generator

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Dave In Austin  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:12:12pm

I’m sure this has been planted here sometime today, but I just saw it and laughed my ass off,

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b_sharp  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:12:45pm

re: #141 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

It looks quite content.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:14:45pm

re: #144 b_sharp

It looks quite content.

Well, it’s really hot in that part of Australia. Probably feeling warm for the first time in billions (or thousands) of years.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:15:24pm

re: #141 teleskiguy

Rwnjs: Obama drops asteroid on Australia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:18:47pm

Oh look, it’s raining again.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:20:22pm

re: #146 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Rwnjs: Obama drops asteroid on Australia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

…after Australian Prime Minister gives a speech telling Muslims they must adapt to Australia, using almost the exact text of a 2001 editorial written by an angry American.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:17:09pm

re: #137 Higgs Boson’s Mate

And a really shiny stainless steel combination sink-shitter with cold and cold running water in every cell. I found that out researching a term paper. No, really.

Some of my clients’ cells had poured concrete platforms approx 4’ X 7’ X 24” high as beds.

Oddly enough, these concrete sleeping platforms were in the newer jails that I visited.

Progress.


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