Saturday Acoustic Jam: Michael Kobrin, “Alive”

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Kicking off this Saturday with an excellent performance by yet another very talented finger-style acoustic guitarist, Michael Kobrin.

Visit Michael Kobrin at : http://www.michaelkobrin.com
facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MichaelKobrinMusic
soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/michaelkobrin
Video credits:
Composition & Performance: Michael Kobrin
Mix & record: Yonatan Kossov
Mastering: Michael Fossenkemper
Filming: Ami Bornstein + Rotem Almoz
Edditing: Ami Bornstein

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188 comments
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2015 • 11:49:29am

continuing the discussion from downstairs:

Do we know if Joshua Goldberg is any relation to Jonah “Hitler was a leftist” Goldberg?

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 12, 2015 • 11:50:14am

Helllllllllllo

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 11:52:21am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

continuing the discussion from downstairs:

Do we know if Joshua Goldberg is any relation to Jonah “Hitler was a leftist” Goldberg?

I’d be surprised since it’s a common name.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 11:52:42am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

continuing the discussion from downstairs:

Do we know if Joshua Goldberg is any relation to Jonah “Hitler was a leftist” Goldberg?

I don’t think so. Goldberg is a very common name.

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#CampaignZero  Sep 12, 2015 • 11:53:00am
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Kafitrar  Sep 12, 2015 • 11:54:57am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

continuing the discussion from downstairs:

Do we know if Joshua Goldberg is any relation to Jonah “Hitler was a leftist” Goldberg?

There’s no evidence he is. Coincidentally, Jonah did have a brother named Joshua who died in 2011 (Wikipedia).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 11:57:24am

re: #6 Kafitrar

There’s no evidence he is. Coincidentally, Jonah did have a brother named Joshua who died in 2011 (Wikipedia).

Damn that would have been young. That’s sad.

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Archangelus  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:16:34pm

For the Doctor Who fans among us, a new two-minute prologue is up, courtesy of the BBC, for the new series starting next week:

Video

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blueraven  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:22:47pm

Markos kind of stepped in it too, with this Goldberg story.

The story he links too explicitly states that Goldberg wrote for Kos as Tanya Cohen.
Did he even read the article?

Goldberg also had another alter ego, Tanya Cohen, whom he attacked using Michael Slay on the Daily Stormer. Cohen was evidently a parody of far-left social justice activists. Slay called her “a Jew bitch who specializes in writing about how the US needs to ban ‘hate speech’ and any other speech that goes against the Jewish cultural Marxist agenda.” An email in Tanya Cohen’s name was linked to Goldberg’s IP address, and articles in her name appeared on Thought Catalog, Daily Kos, and feminist website Feministing.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:25:31pm

re: #9 blueraven

Markos kind of stepped in it too, with this Goldberg story.

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The story he links too explicitly states that Goldberg wrote for Kos as Tanya Cohen.
Did he even read the article?

He’s well aware of it: dailykos.com

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:28:28pm

The piece Goldberg wrote for Daily Kos was a pretty transparent attempt to be an agent provocateur - it’s trying to argue for laws banning “hate speech.” This is what Gamergate trolls often do - pose as liberals and post deliberately over-the-top mischaracterizations of liberal positions.

Daily Kos commenters didn’t go for it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:29:35pm

Man this guy Goldberg had way too much time on his hands.

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Archangelus  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:30:37pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Man this guy Goldberg had way too much time on his hands.

There’s an understatement if ever i’ve seen one…

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:31:02pm

re: #9 blueraven

Not so. DKos users are not his writers. Frontpagers are.

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jaunte  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:34:04pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:36:58pm

re: #15 jaunte

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Special place in hell for bike thieves. Cleaned daily by bike trailer thieves.

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blueraven  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:37:03pm

re: #14 Nyet

Not so. DKos users are not his writers. Frontpagers are.

OK. But still, Markos should have at least recognized and dealt with what the article said. He did publish articles there at Dkos. So the tweet comes off as looking rather clueless.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:38:51pm

Anyone can register at Dailykos and post BS (for a time), so Markos is not wrong and this says nothing about DKos as such.

It’s also not the first impersonator there. 3-4 years ago they had a yoooge drama around “The Nephew” - someone who posed as a gay youth escaped from a fundie family for a coupla years. For a time he was loved and accepted by the community, but then… It ended badly, with threats and harassment from the person behind the sockpuppet.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:39:59pm

re: #17 blueraven

OK. But still, Markos should have at least recognized and dealt with what the article said. He did publish articles there at Dkos. So the tweet comes off as looking rather clueless.

Hundreds of articles are posted daily, Markos doesn’t sift through them, it’s other people’s job…

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:44:27pm

Is there a meme with “Every quote attributed to me in memes is fake”?

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blueraven  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:47:55pm

re: #19 Nyet

Hundreds of articles are posted daily, Markos doesn’t sift through them, it’s other people’s job…

Yes, I understand that. However, once he linked to that article that claimed Goldberg wrote articles for kos…it would have been better for him to state that he wasn’t an “official” writer for Dkos. That is all.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:52:30pm

re: #22 blueraven

Yes, I understand that. However, once he linked to that article that claimed Goldberg wrote articles for kos…it would have been better for him to state that he wasn’t an “official” writer for Dkos. That is all.

It was not wise form-wise, because most people don’t know/care about the tiered dkos system. Substance-wise he’s right, IMHO.

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blueraven  Sep 12, 2015 • 12:55:01pm

re: #23 Nyet

It was not wise form-wise, because most people don’t know/care about the tiered dkos system. Substance-wise he’s right, IMHO.

Agree

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bratwurst  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:04:06pm

Why yes! I do like Ronald Reagan!

And the GOP front runner has a broken clock moment:

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:05:45pm
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nines09  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:07:22pm

re: #25 bratwurst

Thanks. I just got my minimum daily requirement of total douche bag from that. What a tool.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:07:38pm

Today the whole day the twitter interface looks this way for me for no reason: টুইটার-এ নতুন
Google says it’s Bengali. At least not Benghazi.

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aagcobb  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:10:50pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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Now that is cool. Love to hang it on my wall!

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blueraven  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:20:24pm

re: #28 Nyet

Today the whole day the twitter interface looks this way for me for no reason: টুইটার-এ নতুন
Google says it’s Bengali. At least not Benghazi.

That happened to me the other day. No idea why. After I restarted my computer everything was OK.

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thecommodore  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:20:44pm

Wingnuts are doing a happy dance over the Mecca mosque crane collapse yesterday.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:22:57pm

Most disgusting right-wing meme of the day week decade?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:23:32pm

re: #28 Nyet

Today the whole day the twitter interface looks this way for me for no reason: টুইটার-এ নতুন
Google says it’s Bengali. At least not Benghazi.

Now I know I really have won the Unicode War.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:28:47pm

re: #31 blueraven

Now it’s suddenly back to normal. 0_o

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:30:06pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:33:28pm

This evil scumbag, trying to divert attention away from his collaboration with a far right troll arrested for terrorism.

I’ve been undecided about whether to write about this case, but Milo is being such an asshole about it I’m starting to get motivated.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:34:36pm
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:35:22pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Milo seems to have forgotten the golden rule of the information age:

The internet is forever.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:36:02pm

re: #39 Dr Lizardo

The internet is forever.

If only…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:36:07pm
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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:36:43pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Now he retweeted this:

Prisonplanet, yay!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:39:17pm

re: #42 Nyet

You can’t believe a single word Paul Joseph Watson says. I seriously doubt he has a “friend” who knows Joshua Goldberg.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:40:02pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

inorite
Alex Jones

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:41:02pm

re: #42 Nyet

Notice that Milo just sort of forgets to mention the right wing sites Goldberg wrote for. And also forgets to mention that there was an overwhelmingly negative reaction to Goldberg’s trolling post at DK.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:44:58pm
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Archangelus  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:46:52pm

re: #42 Nyet

Now he retweeted this:

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Prisonplanet, yay!

His “friend,” revealed:

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:50:50pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Milo is a dishonest sack of shit.
I’ll take issue with your second sentence though:

while his second post got 1 rec (but, notably, no downdings), the first one was pretty popular with 147, which is IMHO above average. So I wouldn’t characterize his dkos stay in just those two words (“overwhelmingly negative”). When Kossacks are really pissed off, they show it by dinging the tip jar into oblivion.

(My pedantry will kill me some day :)

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:55:39pm

re: #48 Nyet

Maybe, but if you scan through the comments you’ll see almost nobody agreeing with the post. Lots of them are actually saying there’s something fishy about the author (and they were right, of course). That’s what I meant by overwhelmingly negative.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:56:58pm

A representative comment:

I can’t find any information by googling that confirms that a human rights activist named Tanya Cohen has worked for Amnesty or Human Rights Law Center (Australia). Some commenters on the internet suggest that this is a pseudonym used for far right trolling satirizing a left-wing advocate.

And that’s exactly what it was.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:57:41pm

Another comment:

I don’t think I have ever seen a more insane, crazy, nutty, completely ridiculous, absurd, and laughable were it not so obscene diatribe against the most sacred liberal value we have than this piece of utter garbage.

There’s no point trying to refute this tripe, because someone who actually believes it will never change their mind.

We should permit this opinion to be expressed. We should also all use our free speech to make opinions like this completely unacceptable in any sane society.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 1:59:04pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Yes, but that’s one post of the two.

Note that his first post actually got onto the recommended list, which is a success for a first-time poster:

web.archive.org

Antonio DavisBlackLivesMatterCivil RightsFergusonHate SpeechHuman RightsInternetMediaMichael BrownNazisNeo-NazisPoliceRacismRecommendedredditRescued to RecommendedStormfrontTrayvon MartinWhite Supremacists

(Note: you can see that it was recommended by looking for the “Recommended” tag)

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:00:01pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Yeah, looks like KOS didn’t take the bait. Milo, on the other hand was willing to follow Goldberg’s lead to smear Shaun King.

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gocart mozart  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:01:43pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:04:23pm

Of course, it’s pointless to try and label Goldberg left or right. He impersonated both an ISIS militant and an Israeli ultranationalist. Obviously he was just in it for the hate.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:05:35pm

re: #55 Ace-o-aces

Of course, it’s pointless to try and label Goldberg left or right. He impersonated both an ISIS militant and an Israeli ultranationalist. Obviously he was just in it for the hate.

That’s what makes him a right-winger. By definition.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:06:37pm

re: #52 Nyet

The first post doesn’t take such an outrageous anti-free speech position - it’s about racist subreddits, and ends with a call for people to tell reddit not to allow this kind of stuff. That’s very different from calling for laws restricting freedom of speech, and nowhere near as obvious a troll post.

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Jayleia  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:06:47pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:09:32pm

re: #55 Ace-o-aces

Of course, it’s pointless to try and label Goldberg left or right. He impersonated both an ISIS militant and an Israeli ultranationalist. Obviously he was just in it for the hate.

I don’t think I agree completely. Yes, he was clearly a sociopathic troll, but on balance far more inclined to the far right than the left. And his posts at left wing sites seem to be more about being an agent provocateur, trying to get leftists to agree with his outrageous positions so right wingers like BlazingCatFur could use it against them.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:09:59pm

re: #58 Jayleia

Actually, he friend knows a guy who dated the sister of Goldberg’s HS gym teacher….but it’s basically the same thing

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:10:42pm

re: #55 Ace-o-aces

Of course, it’s pointless to try and label Goldberg left or right. He impersonated both an ISIS militant and an Israeli ultranationalist. Obviously he was just in it for the hate.

It would seem to me that he had a right-wing agenda with a libertarian bent…

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:12:10pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

I agree, but his overall stay is more “mixed” than overwhelmingly negative - at least by dkos standards.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:13:39pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

BFC actually complained about one of Cohen’s articles. The owner might have been in on the hoax.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:16:08pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

I don’t think I agree completely. Yes, he was clearly a sociopathic troll, but on balance far more inclined to the far right than the left. And his posts at left wing sites seem to be more about being an agent provocateur, trying to get leftists to agree with his outrageous positions so right wingers like BlazingCatFur could use it against them.

So he’s an actual false flag? No wonder the folks at Prison Planet are confused about how to deal with the guy. Will the accuse him of being a leftist who faked being a right winger pretending to be a leftist?

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Great White Snark  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:19:31pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

And BTW can’t wait for The Martian to come out. Great book, good story, might just ignite some interest in space again.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:21:27pm

re: #64 Ace-o-aces

So he’s an actual false flag? No wonder the folks at Prison Planet are confused about how to deal with the guy. Will the accuse him of being a leftist who faked being a right winger pretending to be a leftist?

Yes, there really are false flag operations going on. The 4chan/8chan crowd deliberately does this kind of thing quite often - they get people to post outrageous things while pretending to be leftists, then use them to attack the “SJWs.”

Gamergate is a very creepy movement full of very creepy people.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:21:56pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:25:31pm

One reason why right wingers are always screaming about FALSE FLAGS is simple projection - it’s the kind of thing they themselves do frequently.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:28:12pm
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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:31:47pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

I don’t think I agree completely. Yes, he was clearly a sociopathic troll, but on balance far more inclined to the far right than the left. And his posts at left wing sites seem to be more about being an agent provocateur, trying to get leftists to agree with his outrageous positions so right wingers like BlazingCatFur could use it against them.

Back in July someone tweeted what appeared to be a Daily Stormer newsletter chopped up into four screenshots, I imagine for readability. I’ve log forgotten who it was that tweeted it, but IIRC it was a liberal female. Anyway, it outlined a method they hoped would be effective in turning liberals against each other by trolling in exactly the manner that this asshat Goldberg did. I saved the screenshots and put them back together as a single l-o-n-g file (below).

IMO there’s not a lot of difference between this Goldberg guy, Milo and UpChuck—all of them seem incapable of holding legitimate jobs or creating successful websites (I don’t consider being a reporter at Breitbart a legitimate job, and it’s successful only as a right-wing hate site, not a professional news outlet). All they do is trawl the sewers of the web looking for things they can scoop up and attempt to stitch together to discredit whoever they disagree with ideologically.

P.S. You’ll probably need to either do the “view image” thing and then enlarge the photo, or right-click and “save image as” then open it because it’s 2214 pixels high and will be too tall to view properly via the lightbox thing.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:35:35pm

re: #70 CuriousLurker

I wonder about the name. What are these stormers storming daily?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:35:37pm

re: #70 CuriousLurker

Yep, that’s what I’m talking about. They really are doing this kind of stuff.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:36:35pm

re: #71 Nyet

I wonder about the name. What are these stormers storming daily?

Pretty sure it’s a riff on Der Stürmer.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:37:23pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Pretty sure it’s a riff on Der Stürmer.

I’m aware. The daily part adds weirdness.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:38:07pm

news.yahoo.com

Putin gives Roy Jones Jr. Russian citizenship

offs

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:38:11pm

re: #71 Nyet

I wonder about the name. What are these stormers storming daily?

Beats me! Charles is most likely right. I’ve come across the name several times in my reading, but they’re one of the groups I haven’t really looked into in detail yet.

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bratwurst  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:39:30pm

re: #70 CuriousLurker

Is it just me, or is almost everyone who insists upon the antiquated spelling “Moslem” a fucking asshole?

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:41:04pm

re: #77 bratwurst

Is it just me, or is almost everyone who insists upon the antiquated spelling “Moslem” a fucking asshole?

LOL, it’s not just you.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:41:15pm

re: #77 bratwurst

Is it just me, or is almost everyone who insists upon the antiquated spelling “Moslem” a fucking asshole?

It’s either ancient bigots or youngsters mimicking them, so mostly yeah…

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:41:57pm

Unless there is some regional linguistic quirk I’m not aware of.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:42:48pm

re: #75 Nyet

news.yahoo.com

Putin gives Roy Jones Jr. Russian citizenship

offs

Why is it that every time Putin smiles I’m reminded of the Cheshire Cat’s creepy smile?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:43:11pm

re: #77 bratwurst

Is it just me, or is almost everyone who insists upon the antiquated spelling “Moslem” a fucking asshole?

They do it on purpose to be offensive.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:43:55pm

re: #81 CuriousLurker

Dunno. He has fish eyes.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:46:30pm

Mahometans! /

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:48:42pm

Greg Laden did some research on that:

scienceblogs.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:49:06pm

re: #77 bratwurst

Is it just me, or is almost everyone who insists upon the antiquated spelling “Moslem” a fucking asshole?

“Muslim” is from Classical Arabic, which has only the extreme corners of the vowel triangle: “a”, “i”, and “u” (and the semivowels “y” and “w”). Levantine and North African dialects have developed “o” and “e” sounds over the centuries, and that’s where the European languages borrowed the term from.

Nowadays, Modern Standard Arabic is based as closely as possible on Classical Arabic, and that’s what we’re supposed to use in transliterating terms like that. I do my best to remember, but “Moslem” is what I learned growing up, so I probably forget and use it once in a while. I certainly don’t mean anything negative by it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:50:13pm

re: #77 bratwurst

Is it just me, or is almost everyone who insists upon the antiquated spelling “Moslem” a fucking asshole?

I thought it was a British thing.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:50:40pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

They do it on purpose to be offensive.

That said, it’s probably one of the less offensive (if sneakier) ones. As I’m sure you know, there are some real doozies out there that don’t even try to pretend they’re not epithets.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:51:39pm

re: #76 CuriousLurker

Beats me! Charles is most likely right. I’ve come across the name several times in my reading, but they’re one of the groups I haven’t really looked into in detail yet.

It’s an anti-Semitic neo-Nazi website; I took a look. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to soak my laptop in bleach.

And with that, goodnight Lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:52:00pm

re: #88 CuriousLurker

That said, it’s probably one of the less offensive (if sneakier) ones. As I’m sure you know, there are some real doozies out there that don’t even try to pretend they’re not epithets.

What amuses me are all the self-proclaimed “Islam experts” who I would wager have met few Muslims in their lifetime.

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bratwurst  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:52:55pm

The rave reviews for the Scott Walker for President campaign just keep rolling in:

Insiders: Scott Walker the biggest loser of the summer

‘He’s been on all three sides of every two-sided issue,’ one Iowa Republican insider said.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:53:09pm

re: #84 Nyet

Mahometans! /

Ah yes, the orientalists.

re: #86 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“Muslim” is from Classical Arabic, which has only the extreme corners of the vowel triangle: “a”, “i”, and “u” (and the semivowels “y” and “w”). Levantine and North African dialects have developed “o” and “e” sounds over the centuries, and that’s where the European languages borrowed the term from.

Nowadays, Modern Standard Arabic is based as closely as possible on Classical Arabic, and that’s what we’re supposed to use in transliterating terms like that. I do my best to remember, but “Moslem” is what I learned growing up, so I probably forget and use it once in a while. I certainly don’t mean anything negative by it.

Same here, that’s how I learned it.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:53:45pm

There are also ways of saying “Jew” (instead of “Jewish”) that are offensive, though I can’t put my finger on when it is so, though it is usually obvious when one sees it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:54:03pm

re: #91 bratwurst

The rave reviews for the Scott Walker for President campaign just keep rolling in:

Insiders: Scott Walker the biggest loser of the summer

And here I thought he would be the one that would be the establishment favorite when Jeb fizzled out. Well all I can say is don’t ask me for tonight’s powerball numbers. I think he’s shown that he’s completely out of his element.

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wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:54:54pm

re: #85 Nyet

Greg Laden did some research on that:

scienceblogs.com

He sounds like a regular guy.

More specifically, I made the claim (though I did not put it this way exactly at the time) that “Moslem” was a dogwhistle signifying teabagging anti-Obama racist scumpuppies.

I have since been told by various teabagging anti-Obama racist scumpuppies that I was wrong, but I was told this in such a way as to convince me that I must be right, even though I was going on gut feeling at the time.

Subsequently, I decided to do some research.

[…]

In other words, “Moslem” as a spelling, in the English language in Western discourse and/or mainly US based culture, is a dog whistle signifying teabaggers and things teabaggy.

Case closed, bitches.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:56:59pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

Posted his (and 2 co-authors’) AGW paper a day or two ago.
All that, and has a way with words!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:58:50pm

re: #93 Nyet

There are also ways of saying “Jew” (instead of “Jewish”) that are offensive, though I can’t put my finger on when it is so, though it is usually obvious when one sees it.

The American Heritage Dictionary, for one, says using the monosyllable as an adjective (or worse yet, a verb) is intentionally offensive.

People are so sensitive to that any more that they try to avoid “Jew” even as a noun, and kind of mumble and stammer till they come out with something like “Jewish person”.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 12, 2015 • 2:58:54pm

re: #93 Nyet

There are also ways of saying “Jew” (instead of “Jewish”) that are offensive, though I can’t put my finger on when it is so, though it is usually obvious when one sees it.

Most notably when Jew is used as a verb.

As in, “to Jew someone down” on the price of a transaction.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:00:55pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Yes, like in Mr. Jefferson’s song.

But I didn’t mean the verb.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:01:17pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Most notably when Jew is used as a verb.

As in, “to Jew someone down” on the price of a transaction.

Louie CK had a good bit about how tone of one’s voice can tell you alot too.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:02:42pm

re: #93 Nyet

There are also ways of saying “Jew” (instead of “Jewish”) that are offensive, though I can’t put my finger on when it is so, though it is usually obvious when one sees it.

THIS. I’m usually very aware of this when I’m writing something about Jews because I know that some ways of describing them can sound offensive. Being Muslim—i.e. having been the target of subtle (and not-so-subtle) slights, as well as being aware of Muslims being seen by many as antisemites—has also made me much more sensitive to that kind of stuff. As a matter of fact, I tend to avoid using the term “Jew” if at all possible. I usually opt for “Jewish man/woman/people” instead of “Jew/Jews”… I’m not sure why, but the latter just feels weird unless it’s coming from a Jewish person.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:03:39pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Most notably when Jew is used as a verb.

As in, “to Jew someone down” on the price of a transaction.

Overheard by me a couple of years ago during my exploring-Judaism phase, a young man in my office talking about buying sneakers from a third party, who he claimed was trying to “Jew” him.

I mentioned to a mutual friend (also not white) that the slang was offensive, and what if I had spoken up and said, “Maybe the guy was just worried you were going to black him. You know… Rob him at gunpoint?”

Mutual friend told me that wouldn’t have gone over very well…

Happily that was the first I’d heard the Jew-as-verb thing in a very long time, and absolutely the first time I’d heard it outside of New England.

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wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:05:56pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Most notably when Jew is used as a verb.

As in, “to Jew someone down” on the price of a transaction.

That was heard in my shop this week. The woman who said it was almost joking like she would be in trouble. She was not very smart and was accompanying her teenage son. I told her that if I had had a Jewish person in the store at the time, I would have thrown her out to make them feel better. The woman shut up.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:11:18pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Most notably when Jew is used as a verb.

As in, “to Jew someone down” on the price of a transaction.

I just recently realized that “gyp” is a dig at Gypsies, too. It’s obvious when you think about it, but most people don’t….

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jaunte  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:12:50pm

re: #101 CuriousLurker

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:12:55pm

re: #104 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I just recently realized that “gyp” is a dig at Gypsies, too. It’s obvious when you think about it, but most people don’t….

I think it’s one that people have been using so long that they don’t even think about the meaning. Not saying it’s right by any means but i think that’s the sort of thing. I don’t remember hearing “Jew” as a verb so much as a kid but I have heard people say it more as I’ve gotten older.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:13:19pm

re: #105 jaunte

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Remind me again which side is antisemitic.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:14:13pm

re: #99 Nyet

Yes, like in Mr. Jefferson’s song.

Speaking of which, I still don’t get what his “Jew me, sue me … kick me, kike me” was supposed to mean.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:14:25pm

re: #105 jaunte

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But Conservative Catholics are just fine….

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:14:36pm

Breyer is Jewish too btw.

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jaunte  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:14:38pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

“Freedom of religion” if you want to deny marriage rights to gays, but recuse yourself if you’re Jewish.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:16:21pm

Let’s see though.
Kennedy) Catholic
Sotomayor) Catholic

Kagan) Jewish
Breyer) Jewish
Ginsburg Jewish

Now for the no’s
Roberts) Catholic
Alito) Catholic
Thomas) Catholic
Scalia) Catholic

Hmmmm seems to me that the yes’s are more diverse. And if Stevens, a Protestant were still on the court he would have joined the yes’s too.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:16:27pm

re: #105 jaunte

And why shouldn’t conservative Christians recuse themselves then?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:16:59pm

re: #105 jaunte

It was a contrivance and a scam, just like the court shopping down in Kentucky that found a gay rights activist to decide over the lady that eventually got tossed into jail for refusing to issue a bogus marriage license.

LOL! I’m sure Judge Bunning will appreciate being called a “gay rights activist”.
And “court shopping”? Really???

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:17:00pm

re: #111 jaunte

“Freedom of religion” if you want to deny marriage rights to gays, but recuse yourself if you’re Jewish.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:17:32pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL! I’m sure Judge Bunning will appreciate being called a “gay rights activist”.
And “court shopping”? Really???

It’s hilarious seeing a scion of Jim Bunning made out to be an ultra liberal.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:17:46pm

re: #78 CuriousLurker

LOL, it’s not just you.

re: #79 Nyet

It’s either ancient bigots or youngsters mimicking them, so mostly yeah…

Actually, I didn’t get the memo. I would have used them interchangeably until the issue was raised here a couple years ago. (Muslim sounds like a weird corruption of the very obsolete “Musselman” to me.)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:17:52pm

re: #113 Nyet

And why shouldn’t conservative Christians recuse themselves then?

Duh they’re conservative Christians.

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William Lewis  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:18:19pm

re: #104 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I just recently realized that “gyp” is a dig at Gypsies, too. It’s obvious when you think about it, but most people don’t….

To welsh on a bet is one people rarely remember is of that ilk.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:19:07pm

re: #117 Decatur Deb

Actually, I didn’t get the memo. I would have used them interchangeably until the issue was raised here a couple years ago. (Muslim sounds like a weird corruption of the very obsolete “Musselman” to me.)

musul’manin in Russian

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:19:44pm

re: #103 wrenchwench

That was heard in my shop this week. The woman who said it was almost joking like she would be in trouble. She was not very smart and was accompanying her teenage son. I told her that if I had had a Jewish person in the store at the time, I would have thrown her out to make them feel better. The woman shut up.

I was 14 before I realized it wasn’t spelled “joo” and had anything to do with Jews. And 17 before I learned what “queer” really meant. Protected childhood.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:20:36pm

re: #119 William Lewis

To welsh on a bet is one people rarely remember is of that ilk.

It was never “Welsh” in Pittsburgh—was “welch”.

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EmmaAnne  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:22:01pm

re: #119 William Lewis

To welsh on a bet is one people rarely remember is of that ilk.

“Indian giver” was in use in my childhood.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:22:05pm

re: #119 William Lewis

To welsh on a bet is one people rarely remember is of that ilk.

You’re not even supposed to use “Welsh” as an ethnonym any more—“Cymric” as the adjective…I don’t even know what the noun would be.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:22:08pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Louie CK had a good bit about how tone of one’s voice can tell you alot too.

Often it’s just plain unnecessary and there to play to a stereotype, as when discussing the financial industry one says jew bankers instead of just bankers.

re: #105 jaunte

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That’s it right there. Their Jewishness is completely irrelevant to the point he’s trying to make, except in his mind liberalism and Jewishness go hand in hand. It’s using the term Jew as a kind of exclamation point on whatever supposedly negative trait is being discussed, in the case of bankers it’s the stereotype of greed. In the case of laywers and judges it’s the stereotype of dishonesty and subversion.

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EmmaAnne  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:22:29pm

re: #70 CuriousLurker

Ugh. That is truly sickening.

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wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:22:38pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

It was never “Welsh” in Pittsburgh—was “welch”.

That’s how we used it in elementary school, where the principal was Mr. Welch.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:22:55pm

I’m about to Camacho Deeznuts this here burrito.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:23:54pm

re: #124 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You’re not even supposed to use “Welsh” as an ethnonym any more—“Cymric” as the adjective…I don’t even know what the noun would be.

Does that extend as far as Cymric rabbit?

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:24:24pm

re: #117 Decatur Deb

Actually, I didn’t get the memo. I would have used them interchangeably until the issue was raised here a couple years ago. (Muslim sounds like a weird corruption of the very obsolete “Musselman” to me.)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:24:43pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Does that extend as far as Cymric rabbit?

Probably—“rabbit”, “rarebit”, who knows?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:25:51pm

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

Often it’s just plain unnecessary and there to play to a stereotype, as when discussing the financial industry one says jew bankers instead of just bankers.

That’s it right there. Their Jewishness is completely irrelevant to the point he’s trying to make, except in his mind liberalism and Jewishness go hand in hand. It’s using the term Jew as a kind of exclamation point on whatever supposedly negative trait is being discussed, in the case of bankers it’s the stereotype of greed. In the case of laywers and judges it’s the stereotype of dishonesty and subversion.

I think I remember once early in Obama’s presidency, Rush tried to claim Obama was antisemitic by wanting banking reform because ya know all bankers are Jews. But yeah you’re right when “Jew” is used in front of a profession, it’s often to deride.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:26:33pm

re: #131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Probably—“rabbit”, “rarebit”, who knows?

Per our English book, “rarebit” was an attempt to sidle away from the original “Welsh rabbit”, which was seen to imply poverty.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:27:16pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

That’s how we used it in elementary school, where the principal was Mr. Welch.

I’ve heard the name Welch as in Welch’s fruit but also Welsh/Walsh oddly as a surname I’ve seen on people of Irish background.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:28:12pm

Supposedly it’s offensive because in Old English wealh just meant “foreigner”. That’s probably the least offensive thing one ethnic group ever called another. What about the Slavs calling the Germans Nemets: “silent”, because they didn’t speak their language?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:29:54pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

I think I remember once early in Obama’s presidency, Rush tried to claim Obama was antisemitic by wanting banking reform because ya know all bankers are Jews. But yeah you’re right when “Jew” is used in front of a profession, it’s often to deride.

Generally Jew sounds offensive when used as an adjective (vice “Jewish”) instead of a noun.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:32:05pm

re: #105 jaunte

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Yeah, “liberal Jews” is a term with a lot of baggage, IMO. It immediately brings to mind the RWNJ use of the term “cultural Marxism,” then > WWII/Nazis & the House Un-American Activities Committee witch hunts > the Hollywood blacklist & loyalty oaths > Henry Ford > The Protocols > Jewish pogroms in Russia & Eastern Europe… It just keeps going.

All those associations, regardless of whether or not we’re consciously aware of them at any given moment, makes “liberal Jews” sound like a dog whistle to me.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:32:27pm

Ive used the adjective jew when younger but had stopped for some time. At a client’s house he was talking to a prospective subcontractor and the guy said ‘I do quality work but the last guy tried to jew me.’

The body language of my client said it all.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:33:04pm

re: #137 CuriousLurker

Yeah, “liberal Jews” is a term with a lot of baggage, IMO. It immediately brings to mind the RWNJ use of the term “cultural Marxism,” then > WWII/Nazis & the House Un-American Activities Committee witch hunts > the Hollywood blacklist & loyalty oaths > Henry Ford > The Protocols > Jewish pogroms in Russia & Eastern Europe… It just keeps going.

All those associations, regardless of whether or not we’re consciously aware of them at any given moment, makes “liberal Jews” sound like a dog whistle to me.

“Hollywood Jews”, “East Coast Jews” too. I see it alot from that Catholic League asshole, Bill Donahue.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:33:43pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

Cheer?

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:34:09pm

re: #136 Decatur Deb

I suppose a lot depends on the context.

“Jesus was a Jew” and “Trotsky was a Jew” may have different shades :)
(whereas “was Jewish” would sound OK in both cases.)

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wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:35:01pm

re: #135 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Supposedly it’s offensive because in Old English wealh just meant “foreigner”. That’s probably the least offensive thing one ethnic group ever called another. What about the Slavs calling the Germans Nemets: “silent”, because they didn’t speak their language?

I’ve heard that after WWII all foreigners in the northeast US were called ‘DP’, short for displaced person. Then I noticed in a John LeCarre book, someone referred to a person (in England) speaking a European language as ‘speaking DP’.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:37:08pm

re: #141 Nyet

I suppose a lot depends on the context.

“Jesus was a Jew” and “Trotsky was a Jew” may have different shades :)
(whereas “was Jewish” would sound OK in both cases.)

I’ve always insisted all naming is a matter of context and intent, but have pretty much dropped the issue. It’s especially difficult on the Internet, where damn near anything comes across as hostile.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:39:50pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Cheer?

Muscle Man

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:40:25pm

re: #117 Decatur Deb

Actually, I didn’t get the memo. I would have used them interchangeably until the issue was raised here a couple years ago. (Muslim sounds like a weird corruption of the very obsolete “Musselman” to me.)

All the Musselmans I ever met were Mennonites.

Oh, and there’s also this:

Now I want pie…
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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:42:41pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

All the Musselmans I ever met were Mennonites.

Oh, and there’s also this:

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They make apple sauce too don’t they?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:42:42pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

All the Musselmans I ever met were Mennonites.

Oh, and there’s also this:

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Ha! I’ve got a few of those in the cupboard I got at The Grocery Outlet. It’s one of those completely unfamiliar brands they get from all over the country.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:43:14pm

re: #136 Decatur Deb

Generally Jew sounds offensive when used as an adjective (vice “Jewish”) instead of a noun.

Right. For example, “My Jew brother-in-law”, versus “My Jewish brother-in-law”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:44:14pm

But to my credit, I always knew “Mussulman” or “Mohammedan” or “Mahometan” were inappropriate—ignorant, if not offensive.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:45:22pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

They make apple sauce too don’t they?

They are now a subsidiary of Knouse Foods, which is one of the, if not THE largest producer of Applesauce in America.

Also, the company my Dad worked for from 1946 till 1994. Applesauce and pie filling put me through college!

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:45:32pm
Muselmann (pl. Muselmänner, from the German, meaning Muslim) was a derogatory term used among captives of World War II Nazi concentration camps to refer to those suffering from a combination of starvation (known also as “hunger disease”) and exhaustion and who were resigned to their impending death.[1] The Muselmann prisoners exhibited severe emaciation and physical weakness, an apathetic listlessness regarding their own fate, and unresponsiveness to their surroundings.[2]

en.wikipedia.org

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wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:46:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:46:32pm

re: #150 Blind Frog Belly White

They are now a subsidiary of Knouse Foods, which is one of the, if not THE largest producer of Applesauce in America.

Also, the company my Dad worked for from 1946 till 1994. Applesauce and pie filling put me through college!

Ah cool deal. We normally got our Applasauce from Whites I think. Nothing like Apple sauce and pork chops. In fact, gonna have some tomorrow ti the potato pancakes at the Slavic festival.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:46:44pm

re: #152 wrenchwench

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:47:45pm

re: #120 Nyet

musul’manin in Russian

And musulmán in Spanish and:

[Ultimately (partly via Ottoman Turkish müsülmān, müslümān) from Persian musulmān, from alteration of Arabic muslim, Muslim; see Muslim.] More..

Here’s something I didn’t know: Apparently Muselmann/Muselmänner, was used among captives in the Nazi concentration camps as a derogatory reference to those who were “suffering from a combination of starvation (known also as “hunger disease”) and exhaustion and who were resigned to their impending death.” How weird is that?

The following quotation[3] appears as a footnote in If This Is a Man, Primo Levi’s autobiographical account of his time in Auschwitz, and it serves as the introduction to the word in that book. “Selection”, in the context of the quotation, means selection for the gas chambers, i.e., death. In If This Is a Man Levi uses two variations of the spelling; Muselmann and Musselman, as well as the plural, Muselmänner.

This word ‘Muselmann’, I do not know why, was used by the old ones of the camp to describe the weak, the inept, those doomed to selection.
— Primo Levi, If This Is a Man, chapter: “The Drowned and the Saved”.

en.wikipedia.org

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:47:53pm

Musselmans was headquartered in Biglerville, the town where I went to High School. Whenever they were doing tomatoes, the whole town smelled horrible. Not as bad as Spring Grove, though - they had a paper mill.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:48:00pm

re: #149 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

But to my credit, I always knew “Mussulman” or “Mohammedan” or “Mahometan” were inappropriate—ignorant, if not offensive.

To me they just look dated, though “Mussulman” was specifically a technical historic term to differentiate two different Turkish eras, Mussulman and Seljuk.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:50:07pm

re: #156 Blind Frog Belly White

Musselmans was headquartered in Biglerville, the town where I went to High School. Whenever they were doing tomatoes, the whole town smelled horrible. Not as bad as Spring Grove, though - they had a paper mill.

Oh god paper mills. I remember one of the only times I’ve ever been skiing- the lodge was near a paper mill. Such an awful smell. Needless to say, I spent a lot of time indoors that weekend. Doesn’t hurt that I sucked at skiing too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:50:14pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Ah cool deal. We normally got our Applasauce from Whites I think. Nothing like Apple sauce and pork chops. In fact, gonna have some tomorrow ti the potato pancakes at the Slavic festival.

Knouse Foods mostly canned under other names, and mostly in institutional pack (#10 cans). They had a warehouse full of case upon case of unlabeled cans, and we’d dump them on the line to be labeled and repacked. I spent at least two summers doing that, during college.

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wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:50:42pm

re: #156 Blind Frog Belly White

Musselmans was headquartered in Biglerville, the town where I went to High School. Whenever they were doing tomatoes, the whole town smelled horrible. Not as bad as Spring Grove, though - they had a paper mill.

Paper mills are bad.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:52:00pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Oh god paper mills. I remember one of the only times I’ve ever been skiing- the lodge was near a paper mill. Such an awful smell. Needless to say, I spent a lot of time indoors that weekend. Doesn’t hurt that I sucked at skiing too.

We’ve still got one 15 miles from here. We can tell when the normally westerly wind goes around to the East.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:52:21pm

re: #160 wrenchwench

Paper mills are bad.

Yeah. Whenever we played them in any sport, we prayed it would be a home game.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:52:56pm

re: #155 CuriousLurker

I’ll put it under spoiler because of the subject matter.

Click to Reveal

holocaust-history.org

From the diary of an Auschwitz doctor:

In the morning attended a special action from the women’s concentration camp (Muslims); the most dreadful of horrors. Master-Sergeant Thilo (troop doctor) was right when he said to me that this is the anus mundi.

He later elaborated:

Particularly unpleasant was the gassing of the emaciated women from the women’s camp, who were generally known as ‘Muslims’. I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups of women. I cannot say how big the group was. When I got close to the bunker [I saw] them sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As they were wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the undressing hut but made to undress in the open air. I concluded from the behaviour of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited them, as they begged and pleaded to the SS men to spare them their lives. However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed. As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had a lot of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that day was like nothing I had ever seen before. Still completely shocked by what I had seen I wrote in my diary on 5 September 1942: ‘The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharführer Thilo was right when he said to me today that this is the anus mundi’, the anal orifice of the world. I used this image because I could not imagine anything more disgusting and horrific.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:53:12pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

We’ve still got one 15 miles from here. We can tell when the normally westerly wind goes around to the East.

It’s honestly just about one of the worst smells I’ve ever had to smell.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:53:34pm

re: #151 Nyet

Ha! You beat me to it.

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Great White Snark  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:53:58pm

re: #137 CuriousLurker

Circumstance… Intent. is the writer speaking to friends, in genuine humor, perhaps self deprecating, or just attacking / being a jerk. BTW you might find a note from me in your inbox.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:55:28pm

I am writing something for a page, combining my Favourite TV Show and Video Game, and their connection.

However, I want to get people’s opinion on what “the distant past” means. How far back into history do things need to be to be considered distant?

For me, I say something along the lines of at least 300-500 years.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 12, 2015 • 3:59:56pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Oh god paper mills. I remember one of the only times I’ve ever been skiing- the lodge was near a paper mill. Such an awful smell. Needless to say, I spent a lot of time indoors that weekend. Doesn’t hurt that I sucked at skiing too.

Everett, WA once had seven paper mills—although for many years it was down to one. In Seattle we were caught between Everett when the wind was from the north, and Tacoma with the Asarco Smelter and the Knight meat-packing plant.

I’ll never forget when I was a little kid once, I was riding in the car along Broadway in Everett and there was a cat walking up the shoulder. Every few steps he’d try to cover up the smell. Poor baby!

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:00:20pm

re: #166 Great White Snark

Circumstance… Intent. is the writer speaking to friends, in genuine humor, perhaps self deprecating, or just attacking / being a jerk. BTW you might find a note from me in your inbox.

True. As DD said upthread though, it’s really easy for things to sound hostile on the internet. I’ve been ignoring my mailbox all day—will check after I eat dinner.

And on that note, time to go rustle up some grub.

Later, lizards.

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gocart mozart  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:01:53pm

re: #113 Nyet

Because shut up that’s why!

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freetoken  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:05:57pm

UK tabloid headline:

Council wants to ban mini-skirts and short shorts because they’re disrespectful

SHARIA!!!!!!! in England!

… or maybe not….

Stephanie Kelly, a councillor for Dadeville City in Alabama, U.S., says any rules on inappropriate fashion should apply to both genders.

‘My concern is it should be for everybody,’ Kelley said of the proposed clothing censorship - and anyway, she’s not a fan of ‘dresses that are so short’, nor hotpants that look ‘like undergarments’.

The Dadeville council proposed a ban on saggy trousers - the sort that are slung so low they reveal half the boxers beneath - last month.

[…]

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#CampaignZero  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:06:37pm

Allegro! Patio update!

Love this new room!!

And my neighbors with the kid who never stops screaming moved out today.
Poor kid’s 2nd birthday was yesterday…

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:07:52pm

re: #171 freetoken

and anyway, she’s not a fan of ‘dresses that are so short’, nor hotpants that look ‘like undergarments’.

Don’t wear them, duh.

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allegro  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:08:02pm

re: #172 #CampaignZero

Allegro! Patio update!

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And my neighbors with the kid who never stops screaming moved out today.
Poor kid’s 2nd birthday was yesterday…

Gorgeous! Does the bamboo curtain slide open?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:11:32pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Now you know why weev is in Lebanon-we have no extradition treaty with them, so he can troll to his heart’s content as long as he doesn’t piss off some enemy of his girfriend’s family who appears to be giving him cover.

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freetoken  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:11:35pm
“There is no play in the playbook for where we are right now,” said John Jordan, a California winery owner and major Republican fundraiser. “Donors don’t know what to think. Nobody saw the Trump phenomenon coming.”

I wonder about these people who feign so much surprise about Trump. Trump did telegraph his ambitions. His reality-TV popularity has never been questioned.

Just how isolated are the monied Republicans? Do they have any connection with how the rest of us live?

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#CampaignZero  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:11:51pm

re: #174 allegro

Gorgeous! Does the bamboo curtain slide open?

Nope, attached. The left side opens like a little door if needed. If I have to escape quickly I’ll just have to pull a Superman.

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allegro  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:14:20pm

re: #177 #CampaignZero

Nope, attached. The left side opens like a little door if needed. If I have to escape quickly I’ll just have to pull a Superman.

That gives you some excellent privacy. Such a pretty, relaxing space. Great job!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:14:22pm

re: #165 CuriousLurker

I could swear I remember seeing that term used in some of Idries Shah’s books dealing with Sufism….

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:14:23pm

re: #175 Eric The Fruit Bat

Now you know why weev is in Lebanon-we have no extradition treaty with them, so he can troll to his heart’s content as long as he doesn’t piss off some enemy of his girfriend’s family who appears to be giving him cover.

Not sure why he didn’t go Russia. Moving there has been popular with assholes lately ;)

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wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:16:37pm

re: #168 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Everett, WA once had seven paper mills—although for many years it was down to one. In Seattle we were caught between Everett when the wind was from the north, and Tacoma with the Asarco Smelter and the Knight meat-packing plant.

I’ll never forget when I was a little kid once, I was riding in the car along Broadway in Everett and there was a cat walking up the shoulder. Every few steps he’d try to cover up the smell. Poor baby!

I was there for the last one. Still smelled like a cat box.Didn’t see the kitty though, and I worked on Broadway for a brief time.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:17:48pm

re: #180 Nyet

I don’t think he could survive in Russia-the temperature there is way colder than where he grew up in and that big-ass swastika on his chest probably wouldn’t go over too well there.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:19:11pm

Scott Walker cancels 2 GOP speeches to spend time in Iowa, South Carolina

With his poll numbers sagging, Gov. Scott Walker has canceled two speeches he was scheduled to give next weekend in California and Michigan so he can instead head to South Carolina and Iowa.

Stacy Day, a spokeswoman for Walker’s presidential campaign, attributed the cancellations to “scheduling changes.”

She did not specifically answer a question about whether those changes were the result of recent polls showing support for Walker dropping sharply in places such as Iowa.

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Great White Snark  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:22:50pm

re: #151 Nyet

So apart from propaganda, general writing and accidental or deliberate insults trade specific jargon can be pretty insulting. So many awful terms in my industry, Chinking the oven an awful term for slipping ceramic tiles into the cracks in a burnout oven. “Bombing” castings, a chemical stripping process. Hollywood sets have a host of terrible terms for certain things. Chinese the lights has to do with the barn door panels on lights, narrowing to s lit. Non ethnic, but dead cat or dead kitten is the term for the fluffy cover on a mic to cut wind noise.

Of course there was that pal of mine that openly talked of putting the Jew back in jewelry as a hard working Jewish subcontractor. NOT a term I would use! But the term may likely really be from jewels.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:26:48pm

re: #184 Great White Snark

So apart from propaganda, general writing and accidental or deliberate insults trade specific jargon can be pretty insulting. So many awful terms in my industry, Chinking the oven an awful term for slipping ceramic tiles into the cracks in a burnout oven. “Bombing” castings, a chemical stripping process. Hollywood sets have a host of terrible terms for certain things. Chinese the lights has to do with the barn door panels on lights, narrowing to s lit. Non ethnic, but dead cat or dead kitten is the term for the fluffy cover on a mic to cut wind noise.

Of course there was that pal of mine that openly talked of putting the Jew back in jewelry as a hard working Jewish subcontractor. NOT a term I would use! But the term may likely really be from jewels.

True enough, but research “chink”. In that usage it has no reference to China—it’s an old term, arising from marine construction. Related to “chine” IIRC.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:31:28pm

re: #179 Eric The Fruit Bat

I could swear I remember seeing that term used in some of Idries Shah’s books dealing with Sufism….

Not sure which term you mean?

You’re the first person I’ve ever encountered here who knew of Idries Shah. I read all of his books years ago, and a good number of the books published by ISKH. In fact, those books paved the path that eventually led me to Islam (even though being Muslim in the traditional sense isn’t a prerequisite WRT Sufism). Small world.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2015 • 4:34:47pm

re: #186 CuriousLurker

Y’all always gotta d-r-a-g me back in here. Sheesh. //

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 12, 2015 • 6:51:10pm

re: #186 CuriousLurker

I have several of his books and some of his audio recordings. His first book “The Sufis” was the kickstarter to introduce the West to what the Sufi’s were about (“Before time, we were”, and who knew that the other Sir Richard Burton was a Bektashi Sufi who wrote the Kadisha?), and then other books dealt with various aspects of dealing with understanding our heedlessness and conditioning and how to deal with it (“Learning How To Learn”, “Seeker After Truth”, “The Commanding Self”, “Knowing How to Know”.)

And of course, the various Mullah Nasruddin stories are always useful.


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