In “Wrapped,” Nature Takes Back a World From Civilization

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“Wrapped” is a graduation short film from Filmakademie Baden-Wuerttemberg, created at the Institute of Animation, Visual Effects and Digital Postproduction. After running at over 100 festivals world wide and winning numerous awards the film is finally online.

“Wrapped” delves into the clash between civilization and nature.

- LA Shorts Fest / Best Experimental / 2014 / USA
- Siggraph CAF / Best Student Project) / 2014 / Canada
- Animago Award / Best Young Production / 2014 / Germany
- ISFVF Peking Film Academy / Bronze Award / 2014 / China
- Festival of Beijing / Outstanding Technical Achievement / 2014 / China
- The Fort Lauderdale International Film Festival / First Place, College Competition / Animation / 2014 / USA
- Cinemaiubit International Student Film Festival Bucharest / Best Experimental Film / 2014 / Romania
- VES Awards / Outstanding Visual Effects in a Student Project / 2015 / USA
- Next Generation Short Tiger / 2015 / Germany
- ArtFutura / 3D ArtFutura Show Award / 2014 / Brazil
- XVIII Guanajuato International Film Festival / Mention Short Animation / 2015 / Mexico

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140 comments

1
Great White Snark  Apr 14, 2016 • 10:06:16pm

Bedtime, just to take it to the past thread a moment, this is for Bernie Sanders and the Berners.

Soggy Bottom Boys- I Am A Man Of Constant Sorrow

See ya all in the ‘morrow

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teleskiguy  Apr 14, 2016 • 10:25:20pm

Pic re-post from downstairs.

This one turned out pretty fantastic.

*LOOK HOW GOOD I LOOK!*

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 14, 2016 • 10:26:38pm

Giant bird — a cassowary — pays a surprise visit to a family.
bbc.co.uk

Australia, naturally, where everything is giant and can probably kill you.
/

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BeachDem  Apr 14, 2016 • 10:34:02pm

So, I’ve been on the old thread talking to myself (quite a lovely conversation, if I do say so myself, which I must, because I was only one talking.)

Looks like everyone has turned in, so I’ll go read my book. Nitol.

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MsJ  Apr 14, 2016 • 10:42:34pm

re: #4 BeachDem

So, I’ve been on the old thread talking to myself (quite a lovely conversation, if I do say so myself, which I must, because I was only one talking.)

Looks like everyone has turned in, so I’ll go read my book. Nitol.

Nah. Reading a Marcia Clark novel. She’s a heck of a good writer.

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teleskiguy  Apr 14, 2016 • 10:54:23pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

A side note: I was skiing in a special use zone of our National Forest system. It’s special because there’s lots of private snow machine usage as well as skiing. And the Forest Service does a great job of keeping snow machines out of prime skiing areas (and creek beds and other shit) with profuse signage. $10 I had to pay, along with everybody in our group. We put $120 dollars into the fee box on Monday.

Gladly.

The federal government at work.

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MsJ  Apr 14, 2016 • 11:07:33pm

What happened to the font size? It’s so hard to read now.

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teleskiguy  Apr 14, 2016 • 11:10:28pm

Now *that’s* a pituitary disorder.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:12:48am

Here’s another awesome photo from my cat skiing trip on Monday. I’m the little guy on the right next to a group of trees.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:07:33am
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:04:31am

Most Bernie Sanders supporters aren’t willing to pay for his revolution

Bernie Sanders says his platform makes financial sense for most Americans. For example, his campaign says Sanders’s single-payer health care system would save an average family of four almost $6,000 per year.

But in order to pay for his proposed programs, Sanders needs to increase taxes on virtually everyone in America. So if you’re a voter, the question is simple:

Are you willing to pay more taxes for his proposals, like nationalized health care and free public college tuition?

How much more?

When we polled voters, we found most Sanders supporters aren’t willing to pay more than an additional $1,000 in taxes for his biggest proposals. That’s well short of how much more the average taxpayer would pay under his tax plan.

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Sophist, Premature Anti-Trumpist  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:11:15am

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

But they’ll totally be committed enough to carry out a revolution.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:20:38am

Crappy ass local FOX affiliate here in D.C. (WTTG) just said the race between Sanders and Clinton would be “tightening” in the coming weeks. Right, Clinton’s up by almost 20 points in New York and it’s going to “tighten[]”.

Maybe if news stations hired someone with some political science or statistics knowledge, instead of communications majors, they might have someone who knew what the fuck they were talking about.

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Ming5000  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:27:28am

From Raw Story:

Thirty minutes into the debate, Clinton had been mentioned 35,000 times on Twitter and Sanders 30,000 times. The firm said 56.2 pct of Clinton tweets were positive while a little more than half of Sanders’ tweets reflected negative sentiment.

So, something like 48-49% were positive… Sounds close to their polling numbers in general.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:36:49am
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Ming5000  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:43:55am

re: #15 Timothy Watson

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Ming5000  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:46:30am

couldn’t resist

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Stephen T.  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:31:54am

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

When we polled voters, we found most Sanders supporters aren’t willing to pay more than an additional $1,000 in taxes for his biggest proposals. That’s well short of how much more the average taxpayer would pay under his tax plan.

I’d be surprised to discover that most of Bernie’s supporters make enough money that a tax bill of greater than $1.000 wouldn’t be a burden to them. All the ones that I know are college graduates with menial jobs not in their field of study barely making $32,000 a year as a married couple. They could be doing better for themselves, but would rather blame The System. They look to Bernie to save them from that.

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scottslemmons  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:46:19am

Favorite picture I’ve taken in a while:
Instagram

A remarkable and immense dragonfly on the sidewalk outside the office.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:50:55am

re: #18 Stephen T.

I’d be surprised to discover that most of Bernie’s supporters make enough money that a tax bill of greater than $1.000 wouldn’t be a burden to them. All the ones that I know are college graduates with menial jobs not in their field of study barely making $32,000 a year as a married couple. They could be doing better for themselves, but would rather blame The System. They look to Bernie to save them from that.

That goes a bit too far. Things have never been bleaker for young college grads, especially ones saddled with massive student loan repayments. I was lucky to graduate debt-free (back in the early 80’s), thanks to Social Security, cheap in-state tuition and BEOG grants.

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Alyosha  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:08:35am

Insurgent Campaign Needs a Good Surgin’ In Three Tweets.

Yep. All Berned out.

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Kent Dorfman  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:23:21am

Dramatic video shows a chimpanzee swinging from electrical poles and taking a swing at his captors as he makes a desperate bid for freedom after escaping from a Japanese zoo. Watching that gives me the willies, watching him swing from primary electrical wires.

nypost.com

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lizardofid  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:25:32am

Good morning Lizards,

Cool short film, my inner Mowgli was shouting “Let in the Jungle” !!!

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Kent Dorfman  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:25:48am

Leslie Van Houten, 66, the youngest member of the so-called Manson Family, “was granted parole suitability today by commissioners of the Board of Parole Hearings meeting at the California Institution for Women in Corona.”

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Dr. Matt  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:34:49am
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Dr. Matt  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:54:50am

Ugh. Don’t read the comments….those who hate political correctness are suddenly politically correct about teh boobies.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:58:04am

re: #2 teleskiguy

Nice form.

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:58:53am

TN’s Republican governor Bill Haslam is really good at politely tamping down legislation (“take it under study, tabling”) proposed by the more extreme yahoos in TN’s Republican dominated state government)

“Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam on Thursday vetoed a bill that would have made the Bible the state’s official book.

“In addition to the constitutional issues with the bill, my personal feeling is that this bill trivializes the Bible, which I believe is a sacred text,” Haslam (R) wrote in a letter to the speaker of the statehouse.

“If we believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, then we shouldn’t be recognizing it only as a book of historical and economic significance,” continued Haslam. “If we are recognizing the Bible as a sacred text, then we are violating the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Tennessee by designating it as the official state book.”[…]

t.co

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:01:47am

re: #28 BeenHereAwhile

“If we believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, then we shouldn’t be recognizing it only as a book of historical and economic significance,” continued Haslam. “If we are recognizing the Bible as a sacred text, then we are violating the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Tennessee by designating it as the official state book.”[…]

There’s how you mix politics and religion, by recognizing that they’re separate.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:02:08am

re: #13 Timothy Watson

Crappy ass local FOX affiliate here in D.C. (WTTG) just said the race between Sanders and Clinton would be “tightening” in the coming weeks. Right, Clinton’s up by almost 20 points in New York and it’s going to “tighten[]”.

Maybe if news stations hired someone with some political science or statistics knowledge, instead of communications majors, they might have someone who knew what the fuck they were talking about.

Most of the polling shows Hillary up anywhere from 10-20 points. Mind you, the only way Bernie can close the gap on Hillary and make up ground necessary for him to win the nomination would be to win by 17 points. In other words, Bernie’s needing a 27-37 point swing in less than 5 days.

Not.Gonna.Happen.

He’s got to know that too. The only ones who seem to ignore the delegate math and reality are his supporters, who think that losing close somehow gives him the nomination.

It doesn’t. It never would. And he’s never gotten close to Hillary since Super Tuesday. Even those 6 wins in a row didn’t help close the gap. NY will more than make up for those 6 states. And in the remaining states, Hillary’s got strong leads where it counts - CA, NJ, PA, CT, etc. You know, where the delegates actually are.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:08:32am

Oh, and a reminder for all you folks who are waited until the last moment to get your taxes done. You have until Monday to file (or file extensions). If you’re in Maine or Mass., you’ve got until Tuesday due to Patriot’s Day falling on Monday.

Since DC is celebrating Emancipation Day, the IRS rules (moving deadline from Sat/Sun/legal holiday) require taxes due on the next business day, which is Monday.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:12:42am

re: #26 Dr. Matt

Ugh. Don’t read the comments….those who hate political correctness are suddenly politically correct about teh boobies.

It will take us a long time to get over this pathetic cultural association between bare breasts and sex and immorality. There are plenty of other cultures where bare breasts are not a massive scandal.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:24:27am

Good morning Lizards.

Tax day for me as I finish up forms with the accountant today. Then off to the John Heinz NWR to walk about and take pictures.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:35:28am

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

The assumption, as far as I can tell, is that the taxes to pay for these things will come only from people.

But there will be many entities that will also be taxed, so I can’t really see where they get this figure from.

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darthstar  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:36:37am

It’s always one smart-ass tweet tossed that gets all the attention…

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darthstar  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:47:00am

Mornin’ everyone. Sun’s about to come up so I need to take my dog to the beach for his sunrise pic. But I’ll be back later to talk about last night’s debate. I thought it was pretty good. One important question I wish had been asked earlier in the campaign - on Israel & Palestine. The answers couldn’t have been more different, and so the media is ignoring it.

Hillary went full Bibi - citing Israel’s right to defend against the imminent threat of destruction they face from within. Bernie said the response by Israel was sometimes over the top and that we need to be more balanced. He then pointed out that Hillary never mentioned the Palestinian people in her AIPAC speech (where she also went full Bibi). She responded by repeating herself about missiles and bombs and how many Israelis live in fear of dying every day…and didn’t mention the Palestinians.

That was the one critical part of the debate for me. The gun question, sure she scored some points but it wasn’t like Bernie was deep throating AK-47s next to her.

And he threw here a bone on 94 crime bill, after CNN asked her to apologize for it, by saying he voted for it himself because it had good things in it, and that we should focus on fixing the things it did wrong. She actually smiled at him at that point because he gave her a pass and an attack talking point at the same time.

Good debate overall. I worry about having another hawk as President. A lot of poor people will die because of indifference.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:49:32am

Comparing 2008 to 2016 one thing I’ve seen is that Clinton has learned lessons and appears to be running a 50-state campaign with the understanding that the challenge is both to win the White House *and* improve the party’s position in Congress. That was Obama’s approach back in 2008.

Sanders appears to be repeating Clinton’s 2008 mistake of concentrating on swing states and the “important” Democratic Party states. Which was an incentive for the states being ignored to vote for the other candidate.

I just hope that whoever wins the nomination they understand that the 50-state strategy needs to be followed in the general election campaign.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:59:24am

Hillary’s actions during her time as Sec. State suggest that she’s likely to take a hands off approach to the Israel-Palestinian conflict as well. Obama, for all the talk of him being an appeaser or somehow giving up Israel to the wolves has done no such thing.

There have been no major efforts to force peace between Israel and the Palestinians (which is the usual legacy building effort by presidents in the lame duck portion of their term in office).

If there’s action, it’s in the backchannels, and so far no one is really talking about anything. So the status quo continues - with Israel engaging in tit-for-tat actions when Palestinians engage in violence against Israelis. No major conflicts, just a low simmer.

And the US is taking hands-off approach.

Palestinians who aren’t tied to the PA are screwed, as they usually are. Gaza is forgotten in all this, and Hamas continues ruling there with iron fist as all the attention is on Syria and IS. It’s the situation there that seems to have taken all the pressure off acting to resolve the Israel-Palestinian conflict since the death toll in Syria is so much greater, with far more people displaced (internally or externally). If anything, the conflict in Syria shows just how much of a sideshow the Israel-Palestinian conflict is in the scope of the Middle East.

The focus by other ME countries isn’t on the Palestinian-Israel conflict, but trying to contain IS, al Shabaab, and AQ affiliates, not on the reach of the IDF. The conflict actually has gotten priorities straightened out for the first time in a long time IMO.

So of course, Palestinians and Israelis will squander the opportunity to engage in backchannels to work on deals to reduce tensions, open opportunities, and build on the Oslo accords and successive agreements. Bibi and Abbas have seen to that. Forcing the sides to come together when neither is willing to do so will not result in a peace deal no matter how much outsiders think it will benefit both.

Therefore the pain and misery will continue.

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Teukka  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:59:58am

re: #26 Dr. Matt

Ugh. Don’t read the comments….those who hate political correctness are suddenly politically correct about teh boobies.

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*Rolls eyes, bounces them off the walls*

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:01:15am

re: #36 darthstar

Personally, I’m way more worried about having someone who has little experience in foreign affairs. Hillary the Hawk is nothing like <Republican> the Hawk.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:02:33am

I know each president wants the presidency to be their own, but I wonder if presidents ever call former ones asking for advice.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:12:30am

re: #41 Belafon

I know each president wants the presidency to be their own, but I wonder if presidents ever call former ones asking for advice.

I’m sure Hillary will be doing that.

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Franklin  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:16:18am

re: #15 Timothy Watson

What was odd about the reporting of this, was the headlines. “UC Davis Spends Thousands…” while technically correct, downplays the effort they went through to scrub the facts.

$3,500
$5,250
$17,000
$28,000

That is “thousands”.

$175,000

is a hell of a lot more than “thousands”.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:17:00am

re: #41 Belafon

The reality is that they do. And that each president doesn’t make as much of a break with the prior administration as you think. Most often, it’s an incremental change, not a major departure on policy. Major policy shifts are exceptions, not the rule. And a lot of that has to do with how separation of powers means that the president can do only so much without a helpful Congress.

In this respect, I think the Founders got it right - you get more consistent policy over the long term (for better or worse), rather than major changes every few years.

It’d be like President Obama enacted Obamacare. The GOP comes in, wipes it out, and then the next Democrat president enacts something just like Obamacare.

However, with the GOP controlling Congress, a GOPer in the WH would all but assure that Obamacare does get wiped out, so there is that.

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Kent Dorfman  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:17:35am

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

She will be asking where all the “h” “r” and “c” keyboard keys are.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:22:38am

re: #44 lawhawk

The reality is that they do. And that each president doesn’t make as much of a break with the prior administration as you think. Most often, it’s an incremental change, not a major departure on policy. Major policy shifts are exceptions, not the rule. And a lot of that has to do with how separation of powers means that the president can do only so much without a helpful Congress.

Especially in foreign policy, as it involves allies and other players, who, for some reason, do not let themselves be dictated to by the US…

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retired cynic  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:23:36am

re: #8 teleskiguy

Now *that’s* a pituitary disorder.

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That poor, poor man. He lived about an hour south of me here. He died so young. IIRC, without checking wiki, he could not feel his feet, got a wound there, and died of sepsis. In his early 20s, I think. The townspeople of Alton were very fond of him, as a person.

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:28:09am

“…Last year in the New Yorker Dr. Atul Gawande wrote the following, “An avalanche of unnecessary medical care is harming patients physically and financially.” He reported on a study of more than 1 million Medicare patients and a “huge proportion has received care that was simply a waste.” He’s right. We spend well over $100 million a year of Medicare dollars annually just on PSA screening for prostate cancer despite recommendations that the harm outweighs the benefits and now Dr. Song wants doctors to order a pre-screening test before the PSA with no long-term studies to back it up? A PSA only costs about $40 and his test is $150, or more than three times the price.
drjengunter.wordpress.com

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TedStriker  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:42:50am

re: #28 BeenHereAwhile

TN’s Republican governor Bill Haslam is really good at politely tamping down legislation (“take it under study, tabling”) proposed by the more extreme yahoos in TN’s Republican dominated state government)

“Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam on Thursday vetoed a bill that would have made the Bible the state’s official book.

“In addition to the constitutional issues with the bill, my personal feeling is that this bill trivializes the Bible, which I believe is a sacred text,” Haslam (R) wrote in a letter to the speaker of the statehouse.

“If we believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, then we shouldn’t be recognizing it only as a book of historical and economic significance,” continued Haslam. “If we are recognizing the Bible as a sacred text, then we are violating the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Tennessee by designating it as the official state book.”[…]

t.co

re: #29 Belafon

There’s how you mix politics and religion, by recognizing that they’re separate.

While I emailed Gov. Haslam to veto the bill, I also know that, due to GOP domination of our state legislature and the veto powers biased towards the legislature (which only needs a simple majority to override), I have no doubt the legislature will indeed override Haslam’s veto, despite what public opposition it’s getting and the AG’s opinion that it’s unconstitutional.

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makeitstop  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:55:50am

Seen outside of Trump’s LI rally yesterday. In spoiler tags in case you don’t want to look at KKK bullshit.

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Alyosha  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:00:37am

re: #44 lawhawk

Noam Chomsky refers to it as a ‘strong line of continuity’. Obviously as if it were a terrible thing.
Drastic change is often so disruptive that good intentions make matters worse. The better is derailed by over-zealously striving for the ‘perfect’. So a somewhat conservative approach does have its benefits.
Progressivism’s success is based more on successful alterations of the existing regime. Just as conservative revanchism strives for a return to their idealized time in centuries gone, alienating those who understand that the present is clearly superior to then; the radical left threaten progress by making their brand of reform unpalatable to the general population.

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:02:17am

Morning!

So, I missed most of the debate last night out visiting with some friends.

I am going through the thread from last night. After listening to a bit of Morning Joke and some other news it is being sold as “bitter and contentious” overall. Is that pretty much the case?

One thing about Morning Joke…Mika was the only host and no Joke. I think I am about as sick of her take on everything as I am with Joke Scarborough.

She was all doe-eyed about The Bern. Even when some of her panel was trying to point out that Bernie has great emotional appeal but when it comes down to the nuts and bolts he doesn’t have a tool belt. She seemed offended by all that and wanted to take Bernie under his wing and protect him from all those nasty people wanting anything resembling actual policy.

ANd then there was her take on Trump/Lewandowski. She thinks the media and Ms. Fields own The DonaldTM and Lewandowski apologies for being such meanies.

Yuk. Now I have a real feel for why BeachDem refers to her as meat-puppet. Did she learn any damn thing watching her father Zbigniew Brzezinski and all he the criticism of the too-ideal Jimmy Carter and how that brought about Reagan and the Bushies?

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makeitstop  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:03:34am

re: #3 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Giant bird — a cassowary — pays a surprise visit to a family.
bbc.co.uk

Australia, naturally, where everything is giant and can probably kill you.
/

Yikes - The Absolute Worst Way to die in the Wild is Death by Cassowary

Nope.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:08:04am
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Stanley Sea  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:08:39am
Donald Trump, who is very sure that he will be a good President because he will just surround himself with people who know what they are doing even though he has no idea, has apparently failed to surround himself with anyone who can tell the people closest to him how to vote in a primary election.

First, his own children were completely clueless about when they were supposed to register in their home state of New York, where most of them have been living their whole lives, and now it turns out that his lawyer, Michael Cohen, cannot vote for him in the primary either, as he is a registered Democrat! Whoops!

Read more at wonkette.com

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:09:56am

re: #50 makeitstop

“To (sic) cowardly” like a KKK member too cowardly to dress up in his robes in the daytime and go downtown.

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KerFuFFler  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:14:30am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

All the ones that I know are college graduates with menial jobs not in their field of study barely making $32,000 a year as a married couple. They could be doing better for themselves, but would rather blame The System. They look to Bernie to save them from that.

That goes a bit too far. Things have never been bleaker for young college grads, especially ones saddled with massive student loan repayments. I was lucky to graduate debt-free (back in the early 80’s), thanks to Social Security, cheap in-state tuition and BEOG grants.

Yeah, the job market really sucks. My son who has been doing a post doc in chemistry (at an Ivy) went on the job market this past Fall. After sending out dozens of resumes he got two nibbles from very low tier schools and neither of those even panned out. Fortunately his post doc position has a one year extension option, but the next hiring season is expected to be just as bleak. (Yeah, I know I’m his mother, but he does not have glaring personality problems that could make him a bad choice. His colleagues like him and he had glowing letters of recommendation. It really is the job market. One of the schools wanted to hire him but the funding fell through——they hope he will reapply next year….)

And yes, “The System” has a lot to do with it. With Congress continuing to cut science research funding for universities, lots of talented, hardworking young people are not getting an opportunity to put their skills to use. Leaders encourage young people to study the “STEM” fields and act like that will ensure their future. Then they turn around and cut funding…

And yeah, he is the brand new father of that baby I posted about a couple of weeks ago. This is really tough for him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:18:00am

Baby Whiplash does not know how analogies work==>
Dear Snidely Jr. it’s the anti-choicers who want to enslave a woman by making her into a meat hotel room.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:38:40am

Overnight comments thread has 58 comments? Where is everyone?

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:39:18am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:40:18am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash does not know how analogies work==>
Dear Snidely Jr. it’s the anti-choicers who want to enslave a woman by making her into a meat hotel room.

Thesis: Life begins at conception.
Therefore: If a woman does anything to endanger her pregnancy, it is attempted murder.
Therefore: If a pregnancy endangers a woman’s life or health, she has no right to terminate it.
Therefore: if the child is the result of rape or incest, she has to night to terminate it.

Welcome to the Meat Hotel.

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Franklin  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:46:31am

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

Overnight comments thread has 58 comments? Where is everyone?

Did we run out of coffee in the break room?

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:48:12am

re: #62 Franklin

Did we run out of coffee in the break room?

Someone forgot to bring the beer. It’s Friday after all.

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Franklin  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:50:17am

re: #63 lawhawk

Someone forgot to bring the beer. It’s Friday after all.

We can drink our breakfast/coffee at the same time!

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Dave In Austin  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:51:57am

Fukit…… I’m heading to the lake.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:51:58am

re: #64 Franklin

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We can drink our breakfast/coffee at the same time!

Well, the Germans describe beer as “liquid bread”. In that case, liquid toast.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:52:50am

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

Overnight comments thread has 58 comments? Where is everyone?

This whole week’s been slow. The overnight would regularly hit about 500 comments, but not this week.

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withak  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:52:55am

re: #64 Franklin

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We can drink our breakfast/coffee at the same time!

mmm Founders

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Franklin  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:54:42am

re: #68 withak

mmm Founders

I love it. I brewed a clone a few months ago and it was delicious. I was trying to make it a 5% ABV for the wife, but I got distracted and overshot my calculations. It wound up at 10%, where it should be. I was pleased, wife wasn’t!

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Dr. Matt  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:56:36am

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

Overnight comments thread has 58 comments? Where is everyone?

Filing their taxes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:57:29am

re: #70 Dr. Matt

Filing their taxes.

More important than filing their nails, I suppose.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:58:44am

re: #69 Franklin

I love it. I brewed a clone a few months ago and it was delicious. I was trying to make it a 5% ABV for the wife, but I got distracted and overshot my calculations. It wound up at 10%, where it should be. I was pleased, wife wasn’t!

You will never come close to KBS at 5% ABV.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:59:16am

POTUS is asking citizens to sign a petition because the GOP wont do their job

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b.d.  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:01:48am

I guess Bernie is going to wait until 5:00 PM today to release that single tax return?

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Alyosha  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:02:42am
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Franklin  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:02:51am

re: #72 Mike Lamb

You will never come close to KBS at 5% ABV.

For sure. I do want to try it again to see how it would taste. But the 10%’er was tasty.

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KerFuFFler  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:04:58am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Thesis: Life begins at conception.
Therefore: If a woman does anything to endanger her pregnancy, it is attempted murder.

Therefore: If a pregnancy endangers a woman’s life or health, she has no right to terminate it.

But if the pregnancy endangers a woman’s life, doesn’t she get to defend herself? You know, the same “I feared for my life” argument that cops use all the freakin’ time do defend their use of lethal force.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:06:21am

re: #77 KerFuFFler

But if the pregnancy endangers a woman’s life, doesn’t she get to defend herself? You know, the same “I feared for my life” argument that cops use all the freakin’ time do defend their use of lethal force.

only if the kid would die as well, you know, like double homicide/suicide

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Dave In Austin  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:07:12am

So Many UpDings!!!
This came in on my facebook page.

Facebook Video

“Prejudice is an emotional commitment to ignorance.”
-Dr. Nathan Rutstein

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:12:46am

re: #77 KerFuFFler

But if the pregnancy endangers a woman’s life, doesn’t she get to defend herself? You know, the same “I feared for my life” argument that cops use all the freakin’ time do defend their use of lethal force.

The whole “threat to a woman’s life” excuse is bogus. Banning all abortion except in this instance will actually KILL WOMEN because life-threatening conditions like preeclampsia, sepsis, don’t wait for the legal team to obtain the necessary permission to proceed with the treatment.

Likewise the “exception for rape and incest” excuse is also bogus. Rape victims, and victims who have been impregnated by family members, should not be victimized all over again.

The way to deal with “exceptions for rape, incest and life of the woman” is to make all abortion accessible for any reason.

That will not lead to BABBIES BEING KILLED 10 MINUTES BEFORE THE DELIVERY!!!1!!!!! because that is not how abortion works.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:14:39am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Is there a day that goes by where he isn’t going apeshit over abortion? Jebus….baby whiplash really does need to find a real job.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:15:26am

re: #81 Dr. Matt

Is there a day that goes by where he isn’t going apeshit over abortion? Jebus….baby whiplash really does need to find a real job.

His other freakout is “safe spaces.”

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Franklin  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:18:40am

re: #79 Dave In Austin

So Many UpDings!!!
This came in on my facebook page.

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“Prejudice is an emotional commitment to ignorance.”
-Dr. Nathan Rutstein

This was great thanks for sharing!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:19:12am

re: #79 Dave In Austin

So Many UpDings!!!
This came in on my facebook page.

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“Prejudice is an emotional commitment to ignorance.”
-Dr. Nathan Rutstein

Just went up on mine…

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:20:03am

re: #82 The Vicious Babushka

His other freakout is “safe spaces.”

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The womb he came from was his ‘safe space’. That’s what he ‘thinks’ he’s defending, in his infantile thoughts.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:21:31am

re: #79 Dave In Austin

So Many UpDings!!!
This came in on my facebook page.

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“Prejudice is an emotional commitment to ignorance.”
-Dr. Nathan Rutstein

That was beautiful.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:27:22am

re: #79 Dave In Austin

So Many UpDings!!!
This came in on my facebook page.

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“Prejudice is an emotional commitment to ignorance.”
-Dr. Nathan Rutstein

Tweeted

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:30:00am

If you’ve got QuickTime on your computer, seriously consider getting rid of it. Apple is no longer going to be supporting it on non-Apple OSX platforms, and hackers are likely to use it for exploits.

Second, our Zero Day Initiative has just released two advisories ZDI-16-241 and ZDI-16-242 detailing two new, critical vulnerabilities affecting QuickTime for Windows. These advisories are being released in accordance with the Zero Day Initiative’s Disclosure Policy for when a vendor does not issue a security patch for a disclosed vulnerability. And because Apple is no longer providing security updates for QuickTime on Windows, these vulnerabilities are never going to be patched.

We’re not aware of any active attacks against these vulnerabilities currently. But the only way to protect your Windows systems from potential attacks against these or other vulnerabilities in Apple QuickTime now is to uninstall it. In this regard, QuickTime for Windows now joins Microsoft Windows XP and Oracle Java 6 as software that is no longer being updated to fix vulnerabilities and subject to ever increasing risk as more and more unpatched vulnerabilities are found affecting it.

You can find information on how to uninstall Apple QuickTime for Windows from the Apple website here: support.apple.com

Our TippingPoint customers have been protected against these two vulnerabilities since November 24, 2015 with filters 21918(ZDI-CAN-3401) and 21919(ZDI-CAN-3402).

However, even with protections, ultimately the right answer is to follow Apple’s guidance and uninstall QuickTime for Windows. That is the only sure way to be protected against all current and future vulnerabilities in the product now that Apple is no longer providing security updates for it./

blog.trendmicro.com

You probably have it on your computer in some form if you ever installed iTunes on your computer.

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lizardofid  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:39:42am

re: #79 Dave In Austin

Beautiful. Shalom/Salam.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:39:48am

So, Bernie’s over at The Vatican just days before the NY primary. That’s kinda odd timing, especially with 291 delegates up for grabs.

You’d think Bernie would do everything possible in the state to close the gap, but he’s over trying to get an audience with the Pope.

In the end, he’s going to lose NY big, and not get an audience with the Pope.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:40:26am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:42:20am

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Shit. They had a pretty good-sized earthquake the other day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:42:54am
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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:43:14am

re: #90 lawhawk

Oh, and given that Hillary’s up roughly 14 points on average in the polls, that means she’ll take home 57% of the NY delegates, or 165 delegates.

165 delegates easily outstrips Bernie’s haul in the past 6 states. It further closes the deal and moves Hillary within striking distance of the 2,383 needed to win the nomination (including the Supers). She holds at least a similar advantage in the next batch of states, including CA, CT, PA, and MD.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:45:30am

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

But a 7.2 quake for those inland. Ouch.

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:49:25am

When I was 8 years old, I was trimming the yucca in the front yard, and three times a man (different one each time) went by and said, ‘Would you do my yard next?’ My smartass answer was ‘Sure, for $5.00 an hour,’ which is still high for an 8 year old. I thought I was getting that question because I was young. But 50 years later, I get the same treatment when I’m cleaning the windows or sweeping the sidewalk at the shop.

Do men get this too?

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:50:06am

re: #95 GlutenFreeJesus

But a 7.2 quake for those inland. Ouch.

Let’s just hope these aren’t foreshocks of a larger event sometime in the next 48 hours or so. IIRC, the Tohoku Quake back in 2011 had two fairly strong foreshock events prior.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:52:21am

“Shocking”…file this under right-wing unintended consequences…..

Bundy cattle may be starving after overgrazing: ‘Cliven’s management practices leave a lot to be desired’

A new report in the Reno Gazette-Journal shows Bundy’s stubborn refusal to follow rules, and his lackadaisical ranching practices, have endangered his cattle and the land they roam unattended.

[…]

The 69-year-old Bundy owes more than $1 million in unpaid grazing fees and fines dating back to the early 1990s, when the BLM ordered him to reduce his herd from 500 to 150 on public lands near Gold Butte.

He refused and stopped paying mandated fees to use the land — and federal authorities say the herd may have doubled to more than 1,000 cows since then.

An online petition, which has gathered about 7,000 signatures so far, is asking federal and state governments to remove the animals before summer to prevent them from starving in the heat.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:52:50am

Georgia Rep. Tom Taylor charged with DUI in Rabun County

Georgia state Rep. Tom Taylor was arrested last week and charged with driving under the influence of alcohol in Rabun County.

<snip>

Taylor, 54, a Dunwoody Republican, had a blood-alcohol content of .225, nearly three times the legal limit of .08, according to a Clayton Police Department incident report obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Taylor’s arrest was first reported Thursday by The Clayton Tribune.
Taylor was stopped at 2:45 p.m. on April 7 for driving 72 mph in a 45 mph zone with four juveniles in his SUV, according to the police report. Officer Michael Bennett reported that Taylor exited his vehicle and was legally carrying a gun on his hip. Bennett said Taylor had “an overwhelming odor of alcohol,” but denied that he had anything to drink.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:53:08am

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

Or the earlier quakes in Kyushu were the foreshocks to this quake.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:54:59am

re: #100 lawhawk

Or the earlier quakes in Kyushu were the foreshocks to this quake.

Could well be. I guess we’ll have to see what happens over the next 48 hours or so.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:57:25am

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

Yeah. Not sure of the population density in the area. Hope it’s sparse. 7.2 is nothing to laugh at.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:59:29am

re: #99 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Gee. Sure glad to know in Georgia it’s legal to carry a firearm while intoxicated while driving kids around.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:59:32am

re: #102 GlutenFreeJesus

Yeah. Not sure of the population density in the area. Hope it’s sparse. 7.2 is nothing to laugh at.

Indeed. I can’t even imagine a 7.2 in my little part of the world; absolutely nothing here would withstand that short of shaking. The death toll would be in the thousands, to put it mildly.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:00:27am

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The ring of fire is restless.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:01:54am

Imagine if he received the death penalty and it was carried out. An innocent man would have been put to death by the government.

cnn.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:03:48am

re: #102 GlutenFreeJesus

Yeah. Not sure of the population density in the area. Hope it’s sparse. 7.2 is nothing to laugh at.

Kumamoto is the capital city of Kumamoto Prefecture on the island of Kyushu, Japan. As of March 1, 2010, the city has an estimated population of 731,286 and a population density of 1,880 persons per km². The total area is 389.53 km².

en.wikipedia.org

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:08:04am

re: #101 Dr Lizardo

USGS is calling the earlier quakes foreshocks:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:08:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:15:32am

5.8 aftershock there

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Bass Reeves  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:19:42am

re: #96 wrenchwench

Last summer a neighbor two doors down saw me mowing my lawn and came and asked me how much I was charging the guy who lived there. I’m 35, look 25, and apparently in my work clothes I don’t look like I can afford a house in that neighborhood?

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:25:01am

re: #96 wrenchwench

When I was 8 years old, I was trimming the yucca in the front yard, and three times a man (different one each time) went by and said, ‘Would you do my yard next?’ My smartass answer was ‘Sure, for $5.00 an hour,’ which is still high for an 8 year old. I thought I was getting that question because I was young. But 50 years later, I get the same treatment when I’m cleaning the windows or sweeping the sidewalk at the shop.

Do men get this too?

Yes. I have been asked and I will sometimes ask that jokingly if I see someone doing a job that I know I have to get done and do not want to do myself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:27:14am

This is ridiculous.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:30:15am

re: #96 wrenchwench

When I was 8 years old, I was trimming the yucca in the front yard, and three times a man (different one each time) went by and said, ‘Would you do my yard next?’ My smartass answer was ‘Sure, for $5.00 an hour,’ which is still high for an 8 year old. I thought I was getting that question because I was young. But 50 years later, I get the same treatment when I’m cleaning the windows or sweeping the sidewalk at the shop.

Do men get this too?

Yes, when I’m washing the car. Or weeding the front yard.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:31:35am

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is ridiculous.

1) This reminds me more and more of everyone’s favorite county clerk, what’s her name.
2) I would really worry about a person being president that felt the need to “save face” when they screw up. It brings Johnson and Vietnam to mind.

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Brian J.  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:45:40am

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is ridiculous.

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“As God once said, and I think rightly…” attributed to General Bernard Montgomery. Bernie’s going out of the universe. I hope Vermont has good mental health facilities.

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withak  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:51:15am

I like Pope Francis a lot, for the simple reason that he is so much better at poping than his predecessor(s). However, he’s still the leader of a huge organized religion that is largely anti-woman, anti-LBGT, and completely backwards on a whole host of issues. Francis has at least seemed to be doing the right thing regarding the Church’s problems with pedophilia and covering up abusive priests, but he should be doing a lot more.

I get that Francis’s thoughts on economic justice resonate with a lot of Democrats and progressives, including myself, but it’s really hard for me to separate his good ideas from his backwards ones.

I really don’t get what Bernie’s play is here.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:53:14am

re: #117 withak

I think it’s to show he’s got some foreign policy cred, that his ideas mesh with the Pope’s and that he also has wider appeal. Try to get crossover.

That’s as best as I can figure. I don’t think this trip helps him, not when he could better use the time to gain ground on Hillary in NY. Unless he knows he can’t catch up, and is simply using this as an opportunity to push pet issues while he’s still in the spotlight.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:53:31am

re: #117 withak

I think, to use a logical fallacy term, it’s an appeal to authority. “Look, I’m in good with the Pope. Don’t you want to vote for me?”

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:54:10am

re: #96 wrenchwench

When I was 8 years old, I was trimming the yucca in the front yard, and three times a man (different one each time) went by and said, ‘Would you do my yard next?’ My smartass answer was ‘Sure, for $5.00 an hour,’ which is still high for an 8 year old. I thought I was getting that question because I was young. But 50 years later, I get the same treatment when I’m cleaning the windows or sweeping the sidewalk at the shop.

Do men get this too?

I’ve been asked. I tell them “Sure thing. $40 an hour. When do I start?” Not mean, but definitely snarky with a smile.

And I have said that to men. Because I am a total smartass.

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Brian J.  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:56:08am

re: #119 Belafon

I think, to use a logical fallacy term, it’s an appeal to authority. “Look, I’m in good with the Pope. Don’t you want to vote for me.”

He’s in so good that the Pope repeatedly emphasized that he wouldn’t even be in Rome today, and the conference moved his appointment for maximum inconvenience. Of course, most of our “liberal” media sources don’t want that and will try very hard to obfuscate it; there’s too much advertising money in pretending there’s still a contest here and too many journalists who think that it’s “cool” to present “both sides” of a nonexistent argument.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:56:50am

re: #117 withak

I really don’t get what Bernie’s play is here.

If he’s actually trying to win, it’s to do something, anything that will change the tenor of the race. He needs to do Big Things with the recognition that, more likely than not, they will result in a slightly worse loss rather than a big win. He’s at the point of onside kickoffs.

If he’s merely trying to keep his bros donating time and money and keeping his cult of personality intact, it’s just keeping his name in the news and doing stuff that Clinton hasn’t done.

Your guess is as good as mine as to the motivation that’s leading to this play.

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withak  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:59:13am

re: #118 lawhawk

I think it’s to show he’s got some foreign policy cred, that his ideas mesh with the Pope’s and that he also has wider appeal. Try to get crossover.

That’s as best as I can figure. I don’t think this trip helps him, not when he could better use the time to gain ground on Hillary in NY. Unless he knows he can’t catch up, and is simply using this as an opportunity to push pet issues while he’s still in the spotlight.

I think he knows he’s screwed in NY. I think he knows he’s screwed in general. I just wish he would take a more positive tone in trying to push Hillary to the left on policy he cares about, instead of allowing his surrogates to talk trash.

I hope that’s the tack he takes when she wraps up the nomination, but I won’t hold my breath.

re: #119 Belafon

I think, to use a logical fallacy term, it’s an appeal to authority. “Look, I’m in good with the Pope. Don’t you want to vote for me.”

It’s especially odd, since Bernie’s anti-establishment attitude also has an air of anti-authority about it. Plus, I would have to imagine a significant portion of Bernie’s supporters are atheist, agnostic, or otherwise non-religious — and he’s appealing to the biggest symbol of religious authority in the world. It’s just weird.

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withak  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:01:57am

re: #120 MsJ

I’ve been asked. I tell them “Sure thing. $40 an hour. When do I start?” Not mean, but definitely snarky with a smile.

And I have said that to men. Because I am a total smartass.

I get these kind of joking comments occasionally when I am doing physical labor, and my usual response is, “You can’t afford my rate.”

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Franklin  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:02:59am

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:05:06am

re: #96 wrenchwench

When I was 8 years old, I was trimming the yucca in the front yard, and three times a man (different one each time) went by and said, ‘Would you do my yard next?’ My smartass answer was ‘Sure, for $5.00 an hour,’ which is still high for an 8 year old. I thought I was getting that question because I was young. But 50 years later, I get the same treatment when I’m cleaning the windows or sweeping the sidewalk at the shop.

Do men get this too?

Yep

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:05:31am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash does not know how analogies work==>
Dear Snidely Jr. it’s the anti-choicers who want to enslave a woman by making her into a meat hotel room.

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Oh gods. I wonder if he ever gets bored with being wrong.

“Blacks as human beings” wasn’t something that was debated by Southerners. And once again he stands at the on-ramp to reality and decides to turn around… If he follows that 1850’s Democrat vs. modern Republican comparison to its actual conclusion, he might be shocked by what he finds. Protip: They’re the same kind of people, ranting about the same shit, but with different labels.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:10:03am

re: #123 withak

Well, to be fair, even though Francis is The Pope, he’s got a bit of ‘anti-establishment’ cred going for himself, inasmuch as a lot of his focus and such has been decidedly different from previous Popes, and he’s been weeding out a number of the more entrenched folks.

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:10:46am

re: #126 Eventual Carrion

Yep

Annoying as it is, I’m glad it doesn’t happen out of sexism. At least we have no evidence that it does.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:11:53am

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, to be fair, even though Francis is The Pope, he’s got a bit of ‘anti-establishment’ cred going for himself, inasmuch as a lot of his focus and such has been decidedly different from previous Popes, and he’s been weeding out a number of the more entrenched folks.

An oil tanker of an organization as staid and ponderous as the Roman Catholic Church does not turn on a dime. Hell, how many lifetime appointments are you dealing with?

It’d be like trying to teach SCOTUS to rap.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:12:34am
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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:14:36am

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, to be fair, even though Francis is The Pope, he’s got a bit of ‘anti-establishment’ cred going for himself, inasmuch as a lot of his focus and such has been decidedly different from previous Popes, and he’s been weeding out a number of the more entrenched folks.

It’s a move by Sanders that fails to push Hillary to the left. It’s like he wants to push her to the right with a visit to the head of the most powerful sexist organization on Earth. IMHO.

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Kragar  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:15:42am

Reminder:

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Testy Toad T  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:16:43am

re: #132 wrenchwench

It’s a move by Sanders that fails to push Hillary to the left. It’s like he wants to push her to the right with a visit to the head of the most powerful sexist organization on Earth. IMHO.

The Cranky Youth Vote see Francis in very much Sanders’ mold, an outsider shockingly rising to take on the corrupt and wretched establishment. Much like Sanders’ attacks on the Democratic establishment, what that establishment actually is matters not.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:21:10am

re: #132 wrenchwench

It’s a move by Sanders that fails to push Hillary to the left. It’s like he wants to push her to the right with a visit to the head of the most powerful sexist organization on Earth. IMHO.

As it’s played out, it’s an incomprehensible move, unless Sanders thought he was going to have an exclusive meeting with the Pope. But to go to a conference that happens to be at the Vatican, while the Pope’s out of the country and had not one thing to do with the invitation (and that’s assuming Sanders didn’t invite himself, which IIRC is not entirely clear)? And RIGHT BEFORE one of the BIGGEST primaries on the schedule? Doesn’t make sense.

As an aside - when Obama was going to meet with the Pope, I saw a number of Wingnuts fantasizing about the Pope shunning, or even punching Obama because Abortion. It never occurred to them that there are other issues, including a number on which they agree. No, the Pope was going to physically attack the President of the United States over a policy common to most industrialized countries. SMH.

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:24:28am

re: #135 Blind Frog Belly White

As an aside - when Obama was going to meet with the Pope, I saw a number of Wingnuts fantasizing about the Pope shunning, or even punching Obama because Abortion. It never occurred to them that there are other issues, including a number on which they agree. No, the Pope was going to physically attack the President of the United States over a policy common to most industrialized countries. SMH.

They have a lot of fantasies about justice being delivered by guys in white robes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:24:36am

re: #135 Blind Frog Belly White

As it’s played out, it’s an incomprehensible move, unless Sanders thought he was going to have an exclusive meeting with the Pope. But to go to a conference that happens to be at the Vatican, while the Pope’s out of the country and had not one thing to do with the invitation (and that’s assuming Sanders didn’t invite himself, which IIRC is not entirely clear)? And RIGHT BEFORE one of the BIGGEST primaries on the schedule? Doesn’t make sense.

As an aside - when Obama was going to meet with the Pope, I saw a number of Wingnuts fantasizing about the Pope shunning, or even punching Obama because Abortion. It never occurred to them that there are other issues, including a number on which they agree. No, the Pope was going to physically attack the President of the United States over a policy common to most industrialized countries. SMH.

It must have been the previous Pope because those kind of wingnuts think Francis is TEH COMMUNIST!!!1!!!! Also, these kind of wingnuts have fantasies about Obama and Hillary going to prison for “crimes”

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:58:21am

re: #36 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone. Sun’s about to come up so I need to take my dog to the beach for his sunrise pic. But I’ll be back later to talk about last night’s debate. I thought it was pretty good. One important question I wish had been asked earlier in the campaign - on Israel & Palestine. The answers couldn’t have been more different, and so the media is ignoring it.

Hillary went full Bibi - citing Israel’s right to defend against the imminent threat of destruction they face from within. Bernie said the response by Israel was sometimes over the top and that we need to be more balanced. He then pointed out that Hillary never mentioned the Palestinian people in her AIPAC speech (where she also went full Bibi). She responded by repeating herself about missiles and bombs and how many Israelis live in fear of dying every day…and didn’t mention the Palestinians.

That was the one critical part of the debate for me. The gun question, sure she scored some points but it wasn’t like Bernie was deep throating AK-47s next to her.

And he threw here a bone on 94 crime bill, after CNN asked her to apologize for it, by saying he voted for it himself because it had good things in it, and that we should focus on fixing the things it did wrong. She actually smiled at him at that point because he gave her a pass and an attack talking point at the same time.

Good debate overall. I worry about having another hawk as President. A lot of poor people will die because of indifference.

You know what, I’ve given you a wide berth here to voice your support of Sanders because I think it’s important we create space for another opinion on the matter. However so often what you’ve said is fundamentally rooted in an ignorance so extreme it’s simply astounding. Hillary went “full Bibi” you say? She never mentioned the Palestinian people in her speech to AIPAC? That’s just bullshit dude. Bernie just flat out lied to you, you swallowed that lie completely without any critical thought and now here you are regurgitating it as if it’s at all true.

CLINTON: It may be difficult to imagine progress in this current climate when many Israelis doubt that a willing and capable partner for peace even exists. But inaction cannot be an option. Israelis deserve a secure homeland for the Jewish people. Palestinians should be able to govern themselves in their own state, in peace and dignity. And only a negotiated two-state agreement can survive those outcomes.
(APPLAUSE)

If we look at the broader regional context, converging interests between Israel and key Arab states could make it possible to promote progress on the Israeli-Palestinian issue. Israelis and Palestinians could contribute toward greater cooperation between Israel and Arabs.

I know how hard all of this is. I remember what it took just to convene Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Abbas for the three sessions of direct face-to-face talks in 2010 that I presided over. But Israelis and Palestinians cannot give up on the hope of peace. That will only make it harder later.

When he laughed at her for saying they have serious differences on gun control and she said “it’s not a laughing matter Senator” that was devastating. His votes against the Brady Bill background checks and waiting periods were totally irresponsible. You know me, I collect guns, but there’s absolutely no excuse whatsoever for that vote or for voting to provide the gun industry immunity from from strict liability.

On the 1994 Crime bill go back and read the transcript, he wasn’t first to point out that he’d voted for it, she got the question first and pointed that out. Sanders campaigned on his 94 Crime Bill vote for over a decade, as a way of selling himself as tough on crime. In last nights debate he also tried to paint him self as against the War on Drugs which would be a new position since for years his proposal for leveling the sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine was increasing the penalty for powder.

If you like Sanders because you think he’d be less of a hawk that’s fine. I do however think it’s a bit naive given the complexity of America’s position in the world and the nature of certain destabilizing regional conflicts to think isolationism is a stance a hypothetical Sanders Administration could ever hold for long. I think a lot of Sanders’ proposals are naive and based on flagrantly ignoring the nature of the world we inhabit in favor of wishful thinking and raw assertion.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:59:42am

re: #136 wrenchwench

They have a lot of fantasies about justice being delivered by guys in white robes.

I snorked at that one!

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:37:07pm

re: #99 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Georgia Rep. Tom Taylor charged with DUI in Rabun County

He is going to have a court ordered Intoxalock (vehicle ignition interrupt) installed to go along with his Glock.


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