Sarah Palin Shills for Climate Change Deniers, Says Bill Nye Isn’t a Scientist

“I’m all about mankind”
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Since we last wrote about her Sarah Palin hasn’t gotten any smarter, and now she’s hooked up with one of the main attack dogs of the climate change denial gang, Marc Morano, a paid oil industry shill who’s promoting a horrible movie called “Climate Hustle.”

One of the main targets of Morano’s film is Bill Nye, and that’s not too surprising since he and Nye have had several encounters in recent years and Morano always comes off looking like the dishonest right wing puppet he is.

As we all know, Sarah Palin is always ready to help promote a dishonest right wing cause, and she’s pitching in for Morano by attacking Bill Nye’s scientific credentials, saying “Bill Nye is as much a scientist as I am.”

Oddly enough, even though she says outright she’s equivalent to a “kids’ show actor” when it comes to science, that doesn’t stop her from mixing up one of her trademark word salads to attack the science of climate change.

“It’s something that our candidates should be talking about and giving us their view on and hopefully acknowledging that it needs to become, in the science community, less political,” she said. “Otherwise, it leads us to believe that so many things coming from perhaps the scientists could be bogus. If this is bogus, you know, what else are they trying to tell us and trying to control us around if they can’t get this one right?

“I’m all about mankind. I want life to be better for mankind and that takes development of our natural resources. That’s what allowed America to become exceptional,” she said.

“If anything, some people would say I’m pushing progress and development too aggressively, certainly not holding anybody back, I want people to work, I want people to produce.”

Yes, those evil scientists, always trying to control us by making up bogus information out of thin air. Probably so they can get those sweet, sweet piles of money from the National Science Foundation and light cigars with hundred dollar bills while laughing at people like Sarah.

By the way, among his other scientific achievements, Bill Nye has a Bachelor of Science degree in mechanical engineering, has been awarded several honorary doctor of science degrees, holds several patents, was a visiting professor at Cornell University, helped design a sundial included in the Mars Exploration Rover project, and is a former vice president of the Planetary Society.

On the other hand, Sarah Palin once shot a moose on TV, and Marc Morano is a frequent guest on the Alex Jones show.

UPDATE at 4/15/16 11:54:19 am by Charles Johnson

Here’s a video Bill Nye posted at YouTube a few days ago showing him confronting Marc Morano about his deceptive practices, asking him what kind of legacy he wants to leave for his children.

“Bear in mind, your reputation in the mainstream is a guy who will do almost anything to win. Your children go to school. They have access to the Internet. They see your history, what you’ve said about people; your publishing of emails. You’ve encouraged harassment. I agreed to do this interview because I think it will expose your point of view as very much in the minority, and very much not in our national interest and not in the world’s interest. And I say again, I’m very concerned about your kids.”

YouTube

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405 comments

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Kragar  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:32:34am

Related:

Fuck you, John McCain.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:33:46am

re: #1 Kragar

Related:

Fuck you, John McCain.

this.

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Kragar  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:36:25am

“On the other hand, Sarah Palin once shot a moose on TV”

Allegedly. It was edited to the ground.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:41:37am

re: #1 Kragar

Related:

Fuck you, John McCain.

Country first, donchakno, also, too.

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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:42:54am

re: #3 Kragar

Shot a moose, shot a moose, but can she do the fandango?

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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:44:15am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:45:06am
By the way, among his other scientific achievements, Bill Nye has a Bachelor of Science degree in mechanical engineering, has been awarded several honorary doctor of science degrees, holds several patents, was a visiting professor at Cornell University, helped design a sundial included in the Mars Exploration Rover project, and is a former vice president of the Planetary Society.

Small correction: He was and is CEO of the Planetary Society.

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mmmirele  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:50:04am

Brigham Young University’s “honor” code is impeding a sexual assault prosecution. The young woman says she was sexually assaulted in her off-campus apartment last year. A sheriff’s deputy (and a friend of the alleged perpetrator) got hold of her police file and gave it to BYU’s honor code office. As a result, the young woman is being told she cannot continue her schooling until she comes and talks to the Honor Code office for allowing a man in her bedroom. The victim may not be able to stay in Utah to await the trial.

sltrib.com

The whole thing is majorly messed up and this is not the only example. We’re probably learning about this now because of a story earlier this week about BYU, its honor code and how rape victims are treated. Basically, if they violated the honor code in any way, the school goes after them, even if the end result was a sexual assault. “Sorry, miss, but you had a cup of coffee with Mr. Rapist here, we have to punish you for that!”

sltrib.com

Oh, and the Utah County Sheriff’s deputy who lifted the police report and gave it to BYU’s honor code office—well, charges were filed against him for retaliating against a witness, but they were dropped.

The whole thing is unbelievably messed up. (Trying not to cuss here.)

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Kragar  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:50:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:50:41am

re: #3 Kragar

“On the other hand, Sarah Palin once shot a moose on TV”

Allegedly. It was edited to the ground.

And it wasn’t a moose, it was a caribou.
Possibly not alive anyway.

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mmmirele  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:52:15am

Also, John Kasich tells women to avoid parties with alcohol so as not to get raped.

How about telling people DON’T RAPE, John?

He concludes by telling the woman, a first-year at New York’s Saint Lawrence University: “I will give you one bit of advice. Don’t go to parties where there’s a lot of alcohol.”

thinkprogress.org

We are going backwards.

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withak  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:53:27am

That sound you hear is my checking account weeping.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:57:14am

This is pretty great - Bill Nye went and confronted Marc Morano and handed his ass to him.

YouTube

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Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:04:45pm

Kevin D. Williamson accuses me today of “fabrications” about him. I think he’s talking about the post in which I quoted his actual written words, verbatim.

White Working Class, Donald Trump Is Not Your Hero

I don’t give the furry crack of a rat’s behind what the people at Breitbart think about anything, if indeed they can be said to think at all. I don’t even much care what they write about me, and would care still less if the world were less credulous. (I’ve had congressional staffers ask me, straight-facedly, about fabrications from Little Green Footballs.) They’re a stain on the name and memory of Andrew Breitbart, who had Trump’s number long ago and saw him for the impostor he is.

This fucking liar.

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:08:36pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Maybe he’s thinking about the LA times:
latimes.com

Or this guy on Twitter:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:10:03pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:12:42pm

I saw Bill Nye at a bike show in Seattle when he was still on ‘Almost Live!’, the TV show out of Seattle where he invented Bill Nye the Science Guy. While we were walking towards each other, I said, ‘It’s Bill Nye the Science Guy!’ and he said, ‘I am also a cyclist.’ But I still think of him as ‘Speed Walker’, because he was my favorite.

Speed Walker

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:15:52pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

I saw Bill Nye at a bike show in Seattle when he was still on ‘Almost Live!’, the TV show out of Seattle where he invented Bill Nye the Science Guy. While we were walking towards each other, I said, ‘It’s Bill Nye the Science Guy!’ and he said, ‘I am also a cyclist.’ But I still think of him as ‘Speed Walker’, because he was my favorite.

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I linked to Ineffectual Middle-Management Suckups yesterday. He’s a really good comedy sketch actor.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:16:19pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

I saw Bill Nye at a bike show in Seattle when he was still on ‘Almost Live!’, the TV show out of Seattle where he invented Bill Nye the Science Guy. While we were walking towards each other, I said, ‘It’s Bill Nye the Science Guy!’ and he said, ‘I am also a cyclist.’ But I still think of him as ‘Speed Walker’, because he was my favorite.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:18:21pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

xkcd.com

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:22:04pm

re: #18 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I linked to Ineffectual Middle-Management Suckups yesterday. He’s a really good comedy sketch actor.

When we lived in Everett, we had our phone message recorded by Pat Cashman.

Hello, we can’t come to the phone right now. If you’re a friend, leave a message. If you’re looking for money, give up. If you’re family, you have the wrong number. Thank you.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:23:33pm

You can still get a laugh around here with “Be Like Billy!”

Billy Quan - 8 Ball of Fury (Almost Live!)

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Lidane  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:28:22pm

re: #1 Kragar

Related:

Fuck you, John McCain.

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Lidane  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:32:29pm
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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:32:37pm

Today’s WTF statement has to be Kasich’s rape-y advice to women. ” If you don’t want to be raped, “don’t go to parties where there’s a lot of alcohol”

Not for men to keep it in their pants. Or that men need to take personal responsibility.

Nosiree.

It’s for the women to be not only responsible for their own rapes (by putting themselves in the situation in the first place), but they should live with the consequences (hey, there’s that non-punishment punishment the GOP keeps saying they aren’t for, but are).

It’s no different than saying that the woman was raped because she was wearing provocative clothing or other such BS.

And when you wonder why people say the GOP is misogynistic, or that none of the GOP candidates is good on women’s issues?

Kasich is right in line with the rest of the GOP in treating women like second class citizens. This is just another reminder.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:39:26pm

re: #25 lawhawk

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:42:20pm

re: #25 lawhawk

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Lidane  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:44:10pm

re: #26 lawhawk

I see that the Washington Post is still wasting money on Rubin’s salary.

They’d be so much better served by a few more interns.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:44:24pm

re: #25 lawhawk

I also really don’t like his implication that, as a man, I am a natural-born rapist, that a) I would want to rape and b) I just can’t control my all-powerful rape urge.

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Lidane  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:46:32pm

re: #29 Jebediah, RBG

I also really don’t like his implication that, as a man, I am a natural-born rapist, that a) I would want to rape and b) I just can’t control my all-powerful rape urge.

It’s not just his implication. It’s endemic in the right wing.

Those “bathroom bills” are a key example of it. The whole premise of the bills is that we have to keep men from ending up in the women’s bathroom at all costs or they’ll just end up raping everyone in sight.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:47:13pm

re: #29 Jebediah, RBG

I also really don’t like his implication that, as a man, I am a natural-born rapist, that a) I would want to rape and b) I just can’t control my all-powerful rape urge.

It’s not that you can’t control it; you’re just have the privilege of not having to control it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:52:02pm

re: #30 Lidane

It’s not just his implication. It’s endemic in the right wing.

Those “bathroom bills” are a key example of it. The whole premise of the bills is that we have to keep men from ending up in the women’s bathroom at all costs or they’ll just end up raping everyone in sight.

They’re going to obey the law against going into the ladies’ room, even though they’d cheerfully break the law against rape once they got in there. Makes perfect sense.

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Lidane  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:53:38pm

re: #32 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’re going to obey the law against going into the ladies’ room, even though they’d cheerfully break the law against rape once they got in there. Makes perfect sense.

Sure. And being a transgender woman doesn’t “solve” the issue, because trans women were born male. Ergo, they’re just as tempted to rape everything in sight if they go into the bathroom of the gender they identify with. Or something.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:54:26pm

re: #31 Belafon

And the further privilege that, if I do end up getting busted for allowing Genghis Penis to rampage at will, in many jurisdicktions the first order of business will be to see how it was really the victim’s fault - exactly in line with the Kasich stuff above and the horrible garbage at BYU right now - I just saw that the cop who gave the victim’s police file to BYU’s Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice had charges against him dropped.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:56:14pm

re: #34 Jebediah, RBG

And the further privilege that, if I do end up getting busted for allowing Genghis Penis to rampage at will, in many jurisdicktions the first order of business will be to see how it was really the victim’s fault - exactly in line with the Kasich stuff above and the horrible garbage at BYU right now - I just saw that the cop who gave the victim’s police file to BYU’s Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice had charges against him dropped.

I see what you do there…

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 15, 2016 • 12:58:12pm

re: #35 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I was worried that it might be too subtle.

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Ian G.  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:03:14pm

Honestly, at what point did “documentary” filmmaking become the go-to choice for cranks with a conspiracy theory to pitch to the gullible? Between this, the anti-vaxxer movie that mercifully got pulled from the Tribeca Film Festival, the 9/11 truther film “Loose Change”, and the Ben Stein creationism one, we could have an entire film festival dedicated to conspiracy nonsense. Someone see if the flat earthers have a film to pitch.

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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:07:45pm
Supreme Court doctrine, moreover, instructs judges to be very cautious about probing the legitimacy of a professed religious belief. In the Hobby Lobby dispute over birth control, the five justice majority concluded that the plaintiffs in that case “sincerely believe that providing the insurance coverage demanded by the HHS regulations lies on the forbidden side of the line, and it is not for us to say that their religious beliefs are mistaken or insubstantial.” If Cavanaugh genuinely believes that a giant mass of noodles compels him to dress like a pirate, then Judge Gerrard is forbidden from probing whether a belief in divine and sentient spaghetti is wrong.

Nevertheless, Gerrard ultimately rejects Cavanaugh’s claim. “This is not a question of theology,” he concludes, “it is a matter of basic reading comprehension. The FSM Gospel is plainly a work of satire, meant to entertain while making a pointed political statement.”

thinkprogress.org

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:10:38pm
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FlowerPower  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:11:45pm

re: #25 lawhawk

Today’s WTF statement has to be Kasich’s rape-y advice to women. ” If you don’t want to be raped, “don’t go to parties where there’s a lot of alcohol”

Not for men to keep it in their pants. Or that men need to take personal responsibility.

Nosiree.

It’s for the women to be not only responsible for their own rapes (by putting themselves in the situation in the first place), but they should live with the consequences (hey, there’s that non-punishment punishment the GOP keeps saying they aren’t for, but are).

It’s no different than saying that the woman was raped because she was wearing provocative clothing or other such BS.

And when you wonder why people say the GOP is misogynistic, or that none of the GOP candidates is good on women’s issues?

Kasich is right in line with the rest of the GOP in treating women like second class citizens. This is just another reminder.

This stupid argument again! What’s wrong with saying “Attention college students: don’t drink to excess; it’s damaging and can put you in dangerous situations! And if you find a really drunk/passed out person, do not assault them!”

Can we just stop singling out the girls to be demure while telling boys to let their freak flags fly?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:13:14pm

re: #38 gocart mozart

thinkprogress.org

The FSM Gospel is plainly a work of satire, meant to entertain while making a pointed political statement.

So why doesn’t this apply to, say, Mormonism or Scientology, where we have very full contemporary records of how they were made up out of whole cloth—is “fleecing the rubes” an acceptable motivation while “making a pointed political statement” isn’t?

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Jack Burton  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:13:18pm

re: #37 Ian G.

Honestly, at what point did “documentary” filmmaking become the go-to choice for cranks with a conspiracy theory to pitch to the gullible? Between this, the anti-vaxxer movie that mercifully got pulled from the Tribeca Film Festival, the 9/11 truther film “Loose Change”, and the Ben Stein creationism one, we could have an entire film festival dedicated to conspiracy nonsense. Someone see if the flat earthers have a film to pitch.

There’s a couple 1 hour+ “documentaries” by those kooks on Youtube that have at least the same production values as Loose Change did, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they are trying to go that route with it.

Just do yourself a favor, even if you are morbidly curious, don’t watch them for more than a minute or two. It’s like Count Rugen’s machine in the Princess Bride, but instead of draining life, it drains intelligence.

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:17:39pm

Michelle Fields: Trump Campaign Should Apologize for ‘Defaming My Character’

Michelle is a very slow learner.

thedailybeast.com

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:18:40pm

re: #41 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Because at some indeterminate point, those beliefs coalesce into something beyond sci-fi, wishful thinking, cult/groupthink, and become religion.

Where’s Justice Potter Stewart when we need him to know it when he sees it.

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FlowerPower  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:18:49pm

re: #38 gocart mozart

thinkprogress.org

One could easily argue the Bible’s initial intent was satire as well.

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:19:07pm

re: #25 lawhawk

Today’s WTF statement has to be Kasich’s rape-y advice to women. ” If you don’t want to be raped, “don’t go to parties where there’s a lot of alcohol”

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Not for men to keep it in their pants. Or that men need to take personal responsibility.

Nosiree.

It’s for the women to be not only responsible for their own rapes (by putting themselves in the situation in the first place), but they should live with the consequences (hey, there’s that non-punishment punishment the GOP keeps saying they aren’t for, but are).

It’s no different than saying that the woman was raped because she was wearing provocative clothing or other such BS.

And when you wonder why people say the GOP is misogynistic, or that none of the GOP candidates is good on women’s issues?

Kasich is right in line with the rest of the GOP in treating women like second class citizens. This is just another reminder.

I didn’t watch his stupid town hall meeting with Tweetie Matthews, but I did catch a tease for it where he said regarding same-sex marriage: “If I don’t like what someone is doing I got a couple of things I can do. I can tolerate it. I can say something. Or, I have another thing I can do. I can pray for a person.”

How big of you John.

I hope the God you believe in prays for you. I happen to think you need it for being a sanctimonious ass.

Iframe

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:24:06pm

Developing natural resources is one thing.

Razing/burning them to the fucking ground is something else entirely.

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Lidane  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:26:23pm

I will never, ever forgive Trump for making Ted Cruz look like the reasonable option:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:26:45pm

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

Developing natural resources is one thing.

Razing/burning them to the fucking ground is something else entirely.

Is James Watt still available for Interior Secretary in the next GOP administration?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:27:17pm

re: #37 Ian G.

Honestly, at what point did “documentary” filmmaking become the go-to choice for cranks with a conspiracy theory to pitch to the gullible? Between this, the anti-vaxxer movie that mercifully got pulled from the Tribeca Film Festival, the 9/11 truther film “Loose Change”, and the Ben Stein creationism one, we could have an entire film festival dedicated to conspiracy nonsense. Someone see if the flat earthers have a film to pitch.

It works because you can make people mistake packaging for substance; it’s a very natural and common pattern-recognition error. Basically, if the style and mode of presentation suggest the subject matter is serious, scholarly-presented, and—most importantly—contains Truth, folks will treat the claims made as valid.

This has two benefits: it gives true believers a facade of intellectual rigor to hide behind, and it makes the process of expressing skepticism more complicated and nuanced.

It’s another facet of my favorite whinge, verisimilitude is not veracity.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:27:18pm

re: #39 lawhawk

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Trump gives out free rounds of golf and photos of himself.

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Chez Ko Pe  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:28:46pm

re: #1 Kragar

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who is no fan of the current Republican presidential frontrunners, said he was “at a loss” on Tuesday after House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) formally announced that he would not accept if the party nominated him.

John-Boy, you were “at a loss” lonnnnnnnng before that.

If Nye “isn’t a scientist,” what does Simpleton Sarah think he is? A boozed-out half-term meth-harpy?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:28:54pm

Argh. I was just nearly finished writing a post about Kevin Williamson’s dishonest slur, and lost the whole thing because of a Shift key that has been acting up. Typed the key combo to take a screenshot, and it missed the Shift key and activated a link in my toolbar, replacing the whole posting window with no warning.

All gone. It was a good post, too.

I need to implement some kind of auto-save mechanism to prevent this from ever happening again. Pardon me while I program.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:30:20pm

OT Drive-by: I don’t know this person in the video below, but I was visiting the Twitter timeline of an atheist who had a YouTube discussion with an ex-Muslim regarding Islamophobia & free speech that I enjoyed, and he had linked to this woman’s dilemma. Her video made me cry—maybe some of you can help a little.

Why are some people so cruel in the name of religion? I don’t get it. It really pisses me off. *smh*

All Adam’s are members of one frame;
Since all, at first, from the same essence came.
When by hard fortune one limb is oppressed,
The other members lose their wonted rest.
If thou feel’st not for others’ misery,
A son of Adam is no name for thee.

The Gulistan; or Rose-Garden of Shekh Muslihu’D-Din Sadi Shiraz: 38. Trans. Edward B. Eastwick

Gotta run. BBL

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b.d.  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:31:32pm

So some people got to meet with the pope before the conference?

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iossarian  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:31:52pm

re: #48 Lidane

How is Cruz’s bullshit 5% growth claim any different from “it’s on his hat”?

Note: this is a rhetorical question.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:32:31pm

Over and over and over again, Conservatives tell us we must limit the freedom of people who aren’t straight men, because straight men cannot be held responsible for their actions.

Women must dress demurely, own and carry guns, not go out alone, not drink, not let a guy into their apartment/dorm room, etc., all because if they do, straight men might rape them.

Trans people can’t use the restroom of the gender they identify with - not because they themselves are a danger, but because straight men will use this as an excuse to hang out in the Ladies Room, raping women who came in to pee.

Women can’t serve on aircraft carriers, submarines, etc. because straight men will rape them. And they can’t serve in combat roles because straight men will be distracted trying to protect them, except when they’re raping them, presumably.

Gays can’t serve in the military, because straight men are afraid they’ll be ogled, or raped, because that’s what they’d do if they were surrounded by people they are attracted to.

Seriously, as a straight man, I gotta ask - why do we expect so little of ourselves? And if we’re so out of control, why do we think we should be in charge of everything?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:33:40pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Argh. I was just nearly finished writing a post about Kevin Williamson’s dishonest slur, and lost the whole thing because of a Shift key that has been acting up. Typed the key combo to take a screenshot, and it missed the Shift key and activated a link in my toolbar, replacing the whole posting window with no warning.

All gone. It was a good post, too.

I need to implement some kind of auto-save mechanism to prevent this from ever happening again. Pardon me while I program.

And maybe get yourself a new keyboard?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:36:22pm

re: #56 iossarian

How is Cruz’s bullshit 5% growth claim any different from “it’s on his hat”?

Note: this is a rhetorical question.

It isn’t. That’s a rhetorical answer.
//

Seriously, though, if we had 5% growth, the Fed would jump in to slow it down because it would quickly become inflationary. But more than that, where is this 5% growth supposed to come from when his tax plan shifts the burden from people who DON’T spend their whole income to people who DO?

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:37:55pm

re: #57 Blind Frog Belly White

Seriously, as a straight man, I gotta ask - why do we expect so little of ourselves? And if we’re so out of control, why do we think we should be in charge of everything?

I’d love to see that question posed to some of the usual suspects.

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iossarian  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:39:28pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

It isn’t. That’s a rhetorical answer.
//

Seriously, though, if we had 5% growth, the Fed would jump in to slow it down because it would quickly become inflationary. But more than that, where is this 5% growth supposed to come from when his tax plan shifts the burden from people who DON’T spend their whole income to people who DO?

Because as soon as the wealthy have even more money to park in offshore “investment vehicles”, the mumble mumble will mumble mumble and as a consequence it will start raining benjamins.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:41:36pm

re: #61 iossarian

Because as soon as the wealthy have even more money to park in offshore “investment vehicles”, the mumble mumble will mumble mumble and as a consequence it will start raining benjamins.

Apparently, economic activity doesn’t come from … well, economic activity. It comes from satisfied rich people deigning to bestow the boon of ‘investment’ upon us.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:42:45pm

re: #57 Blind Frog Belly White

Not enough updings!

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allegro  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:45:06pm

re: #57 Blind Frog Belly White

Over and over and over again, Conservatives tell us we must limit the freedom of people who aren’t straight men, because straight men cannot be held responsible for their actions.

Women must dress demurely, own and carry guns, not go out alone, not drink, not let a guy into their apartment/dorm room, etc., all because if they do, straight men might rape them.

Trans people can’t use the restroom of the gender they identify with - not because they themselves are a danger, but because straight men will use this as an excuse to hang out in the Ladies Room, raping women who came in to pee.

Women can’t serve on aircraft carriers, submarines, etc. because straight men will rape them. And they can’t serve in combat roles because straight men will be distracted trying to protect them, except when they’re raping them, presumably.

Gays can’t serve in the military, because straight men are afraid they’ll be ogled, or raped, because that’s what they’d do if they were surrounded by people they are attracted to.

Seriously, as a straight man, I gotta ask - why do we expect so little of ourselves? And if we’re so out of control, why do we think we should be in charge of everything?

These are the same guys who lose their shit over the Shrodinger’s Rapist concept. “So you man-hating feminazi think every man is a rapist! You are accusing ME of being a rapist! How dare you!”

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:45:52pm

re: #25 lawhawk

Today’s WTF statement has to be Kasich’s rape-y advice to women. ” If you don’t want to be raped, “don’t go to parties where there’s a lot of alcohol”

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Not for men to keep it in their pants. Or that men need to take personal responsibility.

Nosiree.

It’s for the women to be not only responsible for their own rapes (by putting themselves in the situation in the first place), but they should live with the consequences (hey, there’s that non-punishment punishment the GOP keeps saying they aren’t for, but are).

It’s no different than saying that the woman was raped because she was wearing provocative clothing or other such BS.

And when you wonder why people say the GOP is misogynistic, or that none of the GOP candidates is good on women’s issues?

Kasich is right in line with the rest of the GOP in treating women like second class citizens. This is just another reminder.

Been saying it and saying it for months (years actually—decades!). John. Kasich. Is. An. Asshole.

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blueraven  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:49:10pm

re: #55 b.d.

So some people got to meet with the pope before the conference?

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Well for better or for worse Morales is the leader of a nation. Bernie is not. I suspect The Pope does not want to inject himself into US politics.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:49:30pm

re: #65 BeachDem

Been saying it and saying it for months (years actually—decades!). John. Kasich. Is. An. Asshole.

It’s really frightening to think that Donald Trump would be far and away the least disastrous President if he somehow managed to get elected.

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:49:39pm
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Cheechako  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:52:02pm
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makeitstop  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:52:17pm

re: #24 Lidane

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She looks like she’s on the mother of all coke binges in that photo.

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Shimshon  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:52:34pm

0

Days since a Republican mentioned rape

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allegro  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:54:33pm

re: #70 makeitstop

She looks like she’s on the mother of all coke binges in that photo.

In the most recent pics I’ve seen of her she appears to be developing Bachmann crazy eyes.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:54:46pm

re: #71 Shimshon

0

Days since a Republican mentioned rape

They’re hellbent on Todd Akinizing the whole party. Please proceed….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:55:16pm

re: #64 allegro

These are the same guys who lose their shit over the Shrodinger’s Rapist concept. “So you man-hating feminazi think every man is a rapist! You are accusing ME of being a rapist! How dare you!”

There’s white straight male privilege for you - you never have to answer for anything anyone else does.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:57:50pm

re: #69 Cheechako

Back to the original topic:

As governor, Sarah Palin accepted climate change science. Now she’s backing a film disputing it.

As a Governor, she also passed a windfall profits tax on oil companies. But being a Wingnut Icon brings with it certain expectations, like believing in the Received Wisdom.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 1:59:33pm

The guys are plugging shitake mushroom logs today.
Beer and power tools are involved.
In the past five hours, they’ve managed to complete four of the 50 logs.
“This is taking longer that any of us thought” MrBWS just exclaimed.
“Really, we have not been just fucking around,” he insists, as he comes in the house for an alcoholic beverage refill…

:D

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:02:25pm

Sarah Palin says Bill Nye is not a scientist.

Can we just skip to the part where our paper currency looks like this?

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CuriousLurker  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:03:59pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

The guys are plugging shitake mushroom logs today.

Had to look that one up—never heard it before, so I had no idea what it meant. Now I do. Interesting: Grow Mushrooms on Logs & Stumps - Fungi.com

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b.d.  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:04:01pm

It’s 5:00 (et), do you know where your 2014 tax form is?

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:05:21pm

re: #79 b.d.

It’s 5:00 (et), do you know where your 2014 tax form is?

On a server somewhere! And 2015 tax forms too!

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CuriousLurker  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:06:16pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

Question: Just curious, does they type of wood used affect the flavor of the mushrooms? My initial (uneducated) guess would be “Yes.”

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Kragar  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:09:37pm

“I’m not going to get into details about this,” he said, “but David made some mistakes that we warned him about. Renee [Hobbs] and I were on the phone with him for many, many hours over the years that he was doing this, but David got caught up in youthful exuberance. And I tried to tell him, I said, ‘David, you’re making some mistakes here and that’s going to cost you.’ I said, ‘And youthful exuberance always loses out to old age and treachery, and I’m old and treacherous, so I’ve been down this trail.’ But he made some mistakes, and I don’t want to get into the details of that.”

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:10:04pm

re: #65 BeachDem

Been saying it and saying it for months (years actually—decades!). John. Kasich. Is. An. Asshole.

BeachDem,

Did you catch the video of Kasich and Chris Matthews Town Hall from yesterday in my re: #46 ObserverArt?

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:11:23pm

re: #77 teleskiguy

Dude! We’re finally here at the same time.

I wanted to thank you for showing me @bug_gwen had taken on the @realscientists account this week. I’ve been following both for around a year, but I had no idea she was a fellow TBI patient. Her story on that was valuable reading. Her case was so much worse than mine, but the fact that she has seen improvement for decades means a lot to me at this point.

Thanks again!

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CuriousLurker  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:12:02pm

re: #82 Kragar

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:13:38pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

{{{wrenchwench}}}

Glad to help out. I knew that would be empowering.

:-D

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:13:44pm

re: #72 allegro

In the most recent pics I’ve seen of her she appears to be developing Bachmann crazy eyes.

There was an image of her last night that made her look like she had just snorted a nice long line of crystal meth.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:14:52pm

re: #81 CuriousLurker

Question: Just curious, does they type of wood used affect the flavor of the mushrooms? My initial (uneducated) guess would be “Yes.”

You may wish to avoid trying to grow them on woods with significant toxicity issues, like Yew, for example.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:16:20pm

re: #81 CuriousLurker

Question: Just curious, does they type of wood used affect the flavor of the mushrooms? My initial (uneducated) guess would be “Yes.”

Yes.
We use oak and hickory. Fortunately, we have a plethora of those trees here on the farm.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:16:35pm

re: #88 Blind Frog Belly White

You may wish to avoid trying to grow them on woods with significant toxicity issues, like Yew, for example.

Yeah, fuck yew.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:17:33pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:17:57pm

re: #86 teleskiguy

{{{wrenchwench}}}

Glad to help out. I knew that would be empowering.

:-D

You’re a good teleskiguy for looking out for our wrench’!

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:22:33pm

re: #83 ObserverArt

BeachDem,

Did you catch the video of Kasich and Chris Matthews Town Hall from yesterday in my ?

No, because I feel life is too short to have to see Kasich and Tweetie together.
I value my health (and my sanity.)

BTW—thanks for the mention about Mika the meat puppet. I can’t take credit—that’s a Charles P. Pierce original!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:24:24pm

re: #90 Grunthos the Flatulent

Yeah, fuck yew.

Oy.

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:28:04pm

I just had a very unusual pleasant phone call from a credit card processor. As usual, I told him I took cards for 16 years and then got screwed by my processor, kicked them out, and never will take them again. Ordinarily, they work on telling me their company is different in some important way, but this guy said, ‘Oh, man, this industry sucks!’ We both enjoyed the call after that.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:28:30pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes.
We use oak and hickory. Fortunately, we have a plethora of those trees here on the farm.

Just started following this person, saw this, and immediately thought of you.

Also this in response to her tweet:

Cue the Twilight Zone theme and every creepy story or movie you ever read, heard or saw about trees coming to life…

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Kragar  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:29:22pm
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Tigger2  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:31:49pm
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Snarknado!  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:33:24pm

mmmirele, are you still here? I saw your comment about CVS Caremark, but wasn’t anywhere I could post. My insurance has the same deal, but we’re allowed to order online and pick the order up at a local pharmacy — perhaps that will work for you.

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Snarknado!  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:36:41pm

Fact of the day: Charlemagne received an elephant as a gift from Harun al-Rashid.

Now I have to go to bed. Please send evil thoughts to my flu virus, and good ones to my immune system.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:39:28pm

I’ve just been getting light rain down in the valley, up high it’s snowing, Interstate 70 is closed at Vail Pass. And out east:

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:39:54pm

Sit the fuck down ladies, Bernie Bro here says there are more important things than reproductive freedom.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:40:12pm

re: #98 Tigger2

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Yeah, let’s all go protest at George Clooney’s house. He’s such a terrible guy.

George Clooney seems to have one of the most charitable hearts in Hollywood, and, alongside his current mission to stop the human rights atrocities in the Darfur region of Sudan, he focuses much of his energy on helping those suffering from poverty…

Clooney has visited the area personally, and spoken with victims of rape and torture. His charity has donated millions of dollars to help those suffering in the region, with much of the funding going through the United Nations World Food Programme.

The Ocean’s 13 leading man offered his company at the movie’s première and private after-party for an auction supporting Realizing the Dream. This non-profit seeks to continue the legacy and work of Dr. and Mrs. King in wiping out poverty and injustice.

Clooney has been known to give generous donations to homeless people, is a supporter of Bono’s poverty-fighting ONE Campaign, and is also on the Board of Trustees for the United Way.

George donated $25,000 to writers during the 2007 strike.

Clooney took part in the America: A Tribute to Heroes charity telethon for victims of 9/11.

Clooney visited the Nuba Mountains with ENOUGH Project to document atrocities of the Sudanese government on its own people, and testified about it before the US Senate Committee, days before getting arrested at the Sudanese embassy in DC in a peaceful protest.

George Clooney was named United Nations Messenger of Peace in 2008, to help raise public awareness, and support for the U.N’s peacekeeping efforts around the world.

looktothestars.org

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Kragar  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:40:53pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:41:19pm

re: #98 Tigger2

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Don’t worry. Bernie will get them elected without money, just by the force of his personality. And unicorn farts.
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I do wonder, though, whether Bernie’s campaign financing model has limits. I mean, lots of folks are sending him money so he doesn’t have to go to rich folks hat-in-hand. But is he sucking up so much of the available ‘small Democratic donor’ cash that other, downticket candidates might find it HARDER than normal to get much in small donations? Certainly Bernie’s not helping them.

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:41:52pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

I just had a very unusual pleasant phone call from a credit card processor. As usual, I told him I took cards for 16 years and then got screwed by my processor, kicked them out, and never will take them again. Ordinarily, they work on telling me their company is different in some important way, but this guy said, ‘Oh, man, this industry sucks!’ We both enjoyed the call after that.

Speaking of credit card processing…I was told after the February Month in Credit Card and Banking Hell™ that I was thoroughly drained of enough money for my indiscretion of getting caught up in a scam and that my account was closed and no longer need to worry about any further contact, charges, etc.

Since that time I have received two mailed invoices for collection charges and a statement for charges for March and April account maintenance.

That would be the account THEY CLOSED due to my indiscretion of being scammed and causing them to have do their freaking jobs. Closed February 10th.

Today I called their Huntington Merchant Services/FirstData Collection service in Texas. I was again told I would owe nothing and sorry for the inconvenience.

Then I was told to “Have a nice day” as I was finishing the call. That gets me every time. They can tell they are dealing with someone who is not having a nice day because they are on the damn phone with them!

But I then managed to catch the guy from hanging up and proceeded to tell him I felt sorry for him having to work for such a company and that I am sure he could find a respectable job at a less soul-blackening organization. I told him I was hoping he can save himself from having to do the work of the evil.

He got a bit of a chuckle at that. I then said…now my day will be a little nicer!

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:42:48pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

Sit the fuck down ladies, Bernie Bro here says there are more important things than reproductive freedom.

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Shhhh! Bernie is discussing women’s issues with the Pope!

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:44:03pm

re: #103 BeachDem

GEORGE IS A SHILLARY WALL STREET BIG BANKS GOLDMAN SACHS!!! I’M VOTING TRUMP IF BERNIE ARGLE BARGLE!!

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Timothy Watson  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:46:33pm

re: #98 Tigger2

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FFS, the Clooneys have more foreign policy experience than Bernie does.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:46:45pm

re: #108 teleskiguy

GEORGE IS A SHILLARY WALL STREET BIG BANKS GOLDMAN SACHS!!! I’M VOTING TRUMP IF BERNIE ARGLE BARGLE!!

Yep—makes sense. Clooney supports:

21st Century Leaders
American Foundation for AIDS Research
American Foundation for Equal Rights
Andrea Bocelli Foundation
Ante Up For Africa
Barbara Davis Center for Childhood Diabetes
CARE
Casey Lee Ball Foundation
Cinema For Peace
Clothes Off Our Back
ENOUGH Project
Entertainment Industry Foundation
Everyone Matters
Feeding America
International Rescue Committee
Make It Right
Make Poverty History
Motion Picture and Television Fund Foundation
Not On Our Watch
ONE Campaign
Onyx and Breezy Foundation
Oxfam
Partners in Health
Realizing the Dream
Red Cross
Rock For Darfur
Satellite Sentinel Project
Save the Children
Screen Actors Guild Foundation
Small Steps Project
Stand Up To Cancer
UNICEF
United Way
Whatever It Takes
World Food Programme

Trump gives people rounds of golf (and gives Serena Williams a picture of herself) and calls it charity.

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Kragar  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:47:02pm

Dismayed by the fundraiser’s effort to raise funds, the Bernie boosters write that “ordinary [SF] citizens are appalled by the open bribery that will take place on Friday night,”

sfist.com

Yes, raising money to get candidates elected is now open bribery to BernieBros

and with that, my last fucking nerve was used up

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CuriousLurker  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:47:59pm

For those of you who engage in debates with wingnuts on social media:

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Kragar  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:51:13pm

After the last few months, I’m keeping my fingers crossed.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:52:18pm

re: #111 Kragar

Dismayed by the fundraiser’s effort to raise funds, the Bernie boosters write that “ordinary [SF] citizens are appalled by the open bribery that will take place on Friday night,”

sfist.com

Yes, raising money to get candidates elected is now open bribery to BernieBros

and with that, my last fucking nerve was used up

Well, the Sanders are just like you and me and they do their own taxes (I don’t do my own taxes) and they’re just poor humble folks (he’s a fucking senator and she was a college president, being paid more than the school’s total endowment until she was asked to resign and got a $200,000 severance package) who are the hope and the dream of the future, and there’s never, in the history of the world, been a candidate like Bernie—so pure, so perfect, so completely honorable.

I just kinda made myself sick, so I’d better stop.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:52:38pm

re: #106 ObserverArt

Speaking of credit card processing…I was told after the February Month in Credit Card and Banking Hell™ that I was thoroughly drained of enough money for my indiscretion of getting caught up in a scam and that my account was closed and no longer need to worry about any further contact, charges, etc.

Since that time I have received two mailed invoices for collection charges and a statement for charges for March and April account maintenance.

That would be the account THEY CLOSED due to my indiscretion of being scammed and causing them to have do their freaking jobs. Closed February 10th.

Today I called their Huntington Merchant Services/FirstData Collection service in Texas. I was again told I would owe nothing and sorry for the inconvenience.

Then I was told to “Have a nice day” as I was finishing the call. That gets me every time. They can tell they are dealing with someone who is not having a nice day because they are the damn phone with them!

But I then managed to catch the guy from hanging up and proceeded to tell him I felt sorry for him having to work for such a company and that I am sure he could find a respectable job at a less soul-blackening organization. I told him I was hoping he can save himself from having to do the work of the evil.

He got a bit of a chuckle at that. I then said…now my day will be a little nicer!

I went through something similar with best buy’s credit cards a while back. Closed my account a long time ago but they then switched processors and never informed them of the close. Then last year I started getting notices that I owed money etc. I called and told them I closed the account, they said pay x amount and it’d be done then kept trying to charge me. Eventually they reversed all charges and made sure the account was closed but even that remains on my credit report.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:54:45pm

re: #113 Kragar

Don’t even want to think about our world without Prince.

He just played a show in Atlanta. He’s 57 years old.

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:55:00pm

re: #113 Kragar

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After the last few months, I’m keeping my fingers crossed.

I have a long-time female friend that will be devastated by anything doing with the health of Prince. I hope he is going to be okay so she too is okay.

And with that, time to get some equipment up and running for the Friday night guitar and maybe record a track session. Later all.

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mmmirele  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:55:08pm

re: #99 Snarknado!

mmmirele, are you still here? I saw your comment about CVS Caremark, but wasn’t anywhere I could post. My insurance has the same deal, but we’re allowed to order online and pick the order up at a local pharmacy — perhaps that will work for you.

I’ve been working with Caremark and it’s turned into a right cluster****. I FedExed the prescriptions on Tuesday (cost: $44), they received them on Wednesday and today is Friday. They’re still “in process” on the Caremark site. I called this morning and complained and was told that the processing time could be seven days. I said, “This was to replace your screwup in the address on the package” and was told this could be my employer’s problem. I said, “Oh don’t you even go there, the form was pulled up on Tuesday and showed my unit number was on it.”

The representative I spoke to at Caremark said she was going to try and get my doctor to issue a prescription for a 10 day supply of one of the medications. I informed her that I didn’t know if the doctor worked in the office on Fridays, as he has a contract to provide health services to the county at least one day a week. She called later and said she had called four times and left a message. I have not heard back, so I am thinking (a) I am going to run out of my medication by Sunday and (b) I am not going to have my filled prescriptions in hand even by Monday.

I am very annoyed with CVS Caremark and plan to file a complaint with my employer. I want reimbursement of my $44 AND I want a preventative action put in place to ensure that packages go out properly labeled. (Maybe they need dual control or a checklist, not sure.) And I’d also like some understanding that when the form comes in with the correct address, and the prescription goes out with the wrong address and ends up in Post Office Hell (not the Post Office’s fault, either) that I, the customer, should not be having to do all the running around to fix Caremark’s error. I’m lucky my doctor, who is a very busy guy, had given me a new set of scrips two weeks ago when I saw him, even though I didn’t really need them because I *thought* I had a package of medications coming.

Oh, and this is the final prediction: I noticed on Caremark’s website that one of the three prescriptions I sent in on Tuesday has already been cancelled. The person I talked to said it wasn’t, but who am I going to believe, her or my lying eyes? If I do get the medications, I fully expect that I will only get two of them and still need the third. What.a.mess.

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Kragar  Apr 15, 2016 • 2:56:04pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:00:59pm
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CleverToad  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:01:23pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

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This is called ‘spring’. The leaves have come out on my poor battered maple tree, therefore it is time for a nice, heavy, wet tree-killer snowstorm. The accompanying tornado is just a bonus feature.

Predicting 8-14” in the Denver metro, but it’s too warm to stick for long. Stay safe up there in the pretty part of the state.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:02:45pm

Now that Kasich has offered his latest advice to the laydees, I see that the GOP Rape Advisory Chart is currently at 9 volumes PLUS a 2016 Candidate Edition.

goprapeadvisorychart.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:03:04pm

re: #103 BeachDem

Really!
I know George Clooney.
I know his mom and dad.
I knew his Aunt Rosemary.

These people have know idea who the Clooney family is.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:04:16pm

re: #118 mmmirele

Just a suggestion: If you’re on Twitter try making a stink while including CVS & Caremark’s handles so they’ll see what you’re saying. I’ve gotten companies like Amazon, Comcast, etc. to respond quicker & more efficiently that way. Apparently, they don’t like the negative exposure that can rapidly reach LOTS of people via social media.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:04:45pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really!
I know George Clooney.
I know his mom and dad.
I knew his Aunt Rosemary.

These people have know idea who the Clooney family is.

Well, he likes Hillary, so he must be EEEEEEEVVVIIIIILLLLLLLL!!!!!!!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:08:39pm
It’s turtles all the way down I tell ya!

Had a half-day off so I took the camera and went to the NWR that lies in the southern end of Philadelphia next to the airport. Took about 100 shots that I now need to sort through. Also walked about 4 miles and my feet hurt.

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Alephnaught  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:08:43pm

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

Developing natural resources is one thing.

Razing/burning them to the fucking ground is something else entirely.

True. Also, I’d regard clean air and water as a pretty important natural resource as far as I’m concerned.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:08:47pm

re: #120 goddamnedfrank

Sanders is such a phoney. He’s Not-Quite-Lonesome Rhodes. His contempt is for those who don’t believe he’s Neo…he’s not Neo.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:10:35pm

These are America’s favorite grocery stores

I’ve heard of five of them! (Been inside three.)

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:11:32pm

Just when you thought the Republican Convention in Cleveland couldn’t get any more awesome to watch:

Republicans contemplate changing rules for the convention, implementing Robert’s Rules of Order.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:12:22pm

re: #129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

These are America’s favorite grocery stores

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I’ve heard of five of them! (Been inside three.)

No Food Lion?

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:12:30pm

re: #124 CuriousLurker

Just a suggestion: If you’re on Twitter try making a stink while including CVS & Caremark’s handles so they’ll see what you’re saying. I’ve gotten companies like Amazon, Comcast, etc. to respond quicker & more efficiently that way. Apparently, they don’t like the negative exposure that can rapidly reach LOTS of people via social media.

@NeilHamburger is well known for getting blocked by corporate Twitter feeds. It’s pretty damned entertaining tbh, been following him for years.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:12:51pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really!
I know George Clooney.
I know his mom and dad.
I knew his Aunt Rosemary.

These people have know idea who the Clooney family is.

Sightly OT, but I’m pissed that I still haven’t found time to see “Hail, Caesar!” It also says a lot to me that GC is attracted to artists like the Coen Bros.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:13:37pm

re: #129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

These are America’s favorite grocery stores

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I’ve heard of five of them! (Been inside three.)

I do 90% of my shopping in two of them (Wegman’s and Trader Joe’s).

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:13:40pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really!
I know George Clooney.
I know his mom and dad.
I knew his Aunt Rosemary.

These people have know idea who the Clooney family is.

Yeah—Nick was quite well known in Ohio and KY when George was just a little whippersnapper. (I’m jealous that you know them.)

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iossarian  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:13:45pm

re: #120 goddamnedfrank

Well, that’s just fucking stupid.

Everyone on the conference circuit knows that you either get paid to attend (if you’re interesting enough for that to be worthwhile) or you pay your own way (out of an appropriately dedicated research fund or, if you really want to go, out of pocket).

The key is “appropriately dedicated”. You don’t get to use a bunch of money that people gave you for an entirely different reason.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:13:52pm

I think I might rewatch season 1 of E.R. to support the Clooneys starting tonight. :)

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Alephnaught  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:15:00pm

re: #129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

These are America’s favorite grocery stores

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I’ve heard of five of them! (Been inside three.)

Blimey, Aldi’s in the top five! Have they been been in the US long? Them and Lidl’s are relatively new over here in Glasgow (Maybe a decade.) but they’re very popular.

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iossarian  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:15:00pm

And I say that as a Bernie supporter. He just has fuckwits running his campaign. Note that this has also been true of Clinton in the past.

Seriously, the level of stoopid that comes out of virtually all high-level political campaigns at some point really makes you wonder. Can they really not find people who have their shit together to do this?

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:16:58pm

re: #124 CuriousLurker

Just a suggestion: If you’re on Twitter try making a stink while including CVS & Caremark’s handles so they’ll see what you’re saying. I’ve gotten companies like Amazon, Comcast, etc. to respond quicker & more efficiently that way. Apparently, they don’t like the negative exposure that can rapidly reach LOTS of people via social media.

Me too. Plus bad social media reputation is bad. Companies don’t want to risk something going viral.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:18:46pm

re: #129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Closest grocery store to me is a Ripley’s Family Market a few miles down the road. I shop at Costco and City Market (which is owned by Kroger). There is a Safeway in Vail, right next door to City Market.

I too have only heard of five of those chains, I’ve stepped into three of them.

No Albertsons? No Piggly Wiggly?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:19:58pm

re: #134 Feline Fearless Leader

I do 90% of my shopping in two of them (Wegman’s and Trader Joe’s).

I’m cheating when I say I’ve only been inside three of them because Fred Meyer is really Kroger’s now, but that and Safeway is well over 90% of my shopping. I keep meaning to go to Trader Joe’s sometime—after I win the lottery, maybe.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:20:49pm

re: #129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

These are America’s favorite grocery stores

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I’ve heard of five of them! (Been inside three.)

I’ve heard of all but three and been in most of the ones I’ve heard of. Wegman’s is AWESOME!! I wish we had them. They’re an east coast chain.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:21:51pm

re: #131 Timothy Watson

No Food Lion?

You like Food Lion over Giant?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:23:57pm

re: #134 Feline Fearless Leader

I do 90% of my shopping in two of them (Wegman’s and Trader Joe’s).

I miss publix terribly .

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:24:19pm

re: #141 teleskiguy

Closest grocery store to me is a Ripley’s Family Market a few miles down the road. I shop at Costco and City Market (which is owned by Kroger). There is a Safeway in Vail, right next door to City Market.

I too have only heard of five of those chains, I’ve stepped into three of them.

No Albertsons? No Piggly Wiggly?

Yeah, I’ve spent at least 40 years of my life (in several different places) with Albertson’s being the closest store. Hopefully that’s over for good now.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:25:54pm

re: #134 Feline Fearless Leader

I do 90% of my shopping in two of them (Wegman’s and Trader Joe’s).

LUCKY YOU! We have Loblaws which isn’t Loblaws any longer. Thankfully, I’m close to Meijers, which I also like a lot.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:26:22pm

So, a question for Rape Expert Kasich: This means no more drinks at Republican fundraising dinners, then? Since a little booze makes all the girls turn slutty…

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:27:22pm

Nearest Whole Foods is in mid-valley Roaring Fork area, almost an hour’s drive. Nearest Trader Joe’s is in Denver, two and a half hour drive. I’ll survive with Costco and City Market, I guess.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:27:40pm

re: #113 Kragar

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After the last few months, I’m keeping my fingers crossed.

It’s Prince, though. So, who the hell knows.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:29:30pm
Damn! No mice to eat and Republicans are too fattening.
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Timothy Watson  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:29:33pm

re: #144 MsJ

You like Food Lion over Giant?

No, but by number of stores their exclusion is weird and I don’t see how they rank lower than Wal-Mart.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:29:52pm

re: #149 teleskiguy

Nearest Whole Foods is in mid-valley Roaring Fork area, almost an hour’s drive. Nearest Trader Joe’s is in Denver, two and a half hour drive. I’ll survive with Costco and City Market, I guess.

That’s supposedly measuring “Customer Loyalty”—I’m really surprised Costco isn’t higher up the list.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:30:02pm

re: #138 Alephnaught

Blimey, Aldi’s in the top five! Have they been been in the US long? Them and Lidl’s are relatively new over here in Glasgow (Maybe a decade.) but they’re very popular.

Aldi overseas is not Aldi here. I’m shocked Aldi (US) is on that list. It’s seriously low rent. But maybe that’s why it’s on the list.

Walmart is low rent, too, but they have 1) a great selection of items that Aldi doesn’t, and 2) much better quality than Aldi.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:30:37pm

re: #137 Timothy Watson

I think I might rewatch season 1 of E.R. to support the Clooneys starting tonight. :)

At least you’re choosing ER, not The Facts of Life. (He was actually pretty good on E/R—a much earlier sitcom as well.)

And now for little known (or cared about) trivia. Looking up the cast of E/R, I had been thinking that John Dukakis had been on it (I was wrong—he was on Family
Ties for a few episodes.) John is Kitty’s son/Mike’s stepson. And then, I realized that he is Jason Chaffetz’s half-brother.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:31:16pm

re: #108 teleskiguy

GEORGE IS A SHILLARY WALL STREET BIG BANKS GOLDMAN SACHS!!! I’M VOTING TRUMP IF BERNIE ARGLE BARGLE!!

Bernie Bros: Because Trump has nothing to do with Wall Street despite his billions of dollars. Such logic!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:31:28pm

re: #133 Barefoot Grin

Sightly OT, but I’m pissed that I still haven’t found time to see “Hail, Caesar!” It also says a lot to me that GC is attracted to artists like the Coen Bros.

Not surprising, considering, O Brother, Where Art Thou?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:32:27pm

re: #135 BeachDem

Yeah—Nick was quite well known in Ohio and KY when George was just a little whippersnapper. (I’m jealous that you know them.)

Nick was my congresscritter until he left due to his own self-imposed term limit.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:32:48pm

That hawk picture was from today. It sat 20’ away on a branch and essentially ignored me and all other passersby.

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Mattand  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:33:14pm

re: #144 MsJ

You like Food Lion over Giant?

ShopRite FTW.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:33:55pm

Well, all the roads are closed a half hour east of me. I wonder where I should ski in the morning. I should go to the ski area with the most snow, eh? Hopefully the roads are open in the morning.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:34:46pm

re: #143 MsJ

I’ve heard of all but three and been in most of the ones I’ve heard of. Wegman’s is AWESOME!! I wish we had them. They’re an east coast chain.

I’ve also heard of/been in most of them. While others collect trinkets etc. when they travel, I have a widespread collection of re-usable grocery bags from stores across the country. (I travel a lot for work and usually for a week or two at a time, so I do tend to frequent grocery stores.)

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Mattand  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:35:00pm

re: #159 Feline Fearless Leader

That hawk picture was from today. It sat 20’ away on a branch and essentially ignored me and all other passersby.

I’m guessing from your earlier comment, this is the Heinz wildlife refuge?

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:35:03pm

re: #153 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That’s supposedly measuring “Customer Loyalty”—I’m really surprised Costco isn’t higher up the list.

Costco is great for long term planning but it can be a pain in the ass if you find yourself just shopping for immediate daily needs.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:35:36pm

re: #145 Stanley Sea

I miss publix terribly .

They’re finally here in MB—one is opening soon just a few blocks from me. Yay.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:36:34pm

Well, to quote Yortak Festrunk, “Here is something”:

Army approves first 22 female officers for ground combat jobs

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:36:35pm

re: #129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Once you go Wegmans, you never go back. And I’ve been in most of those. We actually make a point to go into supermarkets on our vacations to see what kind of local food is available.

Also interesting is that the supermarkets that top the list are also among those that treat their workers best. Wegmans is particularly known for that, as is Costco. So too is Trader Joe’s.

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Mattand  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:37:32pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

Costco is great for long term planning but it can be a pain in the ass if you find yourself just shopping for immediate daily needs.

Love Costco, but you do have to scrutinize their prices on some stuff. Beef is one item where you could do better at the grocery store.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:38:06pm

re: #161 teleskiguy

They’re calling for two to four feet through Sunday at Loveland Ski Area. I think that might be the ticket.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:39:09pm

re: #154 MsJ

Aldi overseas is not Aldi here. I’m shocked Aldi (US) is on that list. It’s seriously low rent. But maybe that’s why it’s on the list.

Walmart is low rent, too, but they have 1) a great selection of items that Aldi doesn’t, and 2) much better quality than Aldi.

Our town got 3 Publix stores a couple of years ago—it was a great bump up in our quality of life. They have a good labor-relations reputation locally, and say/do all the right things. (They recently dropped out of a routine relationship with ALEC, so that’s a plus.)
scpaflorida.com

Publix is either really good, or really good at PR.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:39:56pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not surprising, considering, O Brother, Where Art Thou?

And “Burn After Reading”—one of my fave’s.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:40:40pm

re: #162 BeachDem

I’ve also heard of/been in most of them. While others collect trinkets etc. when they travel, I have a widespread collection of re-usable grocery bags from stores across the country. (I travel a lot for work and usually for a week or two at a time, so I do tend to frequent grocery stores.)

Do you wrap your cosmetics/liquid cleansers/perfumes/hair spray in a multitude of grocery bags like I do? I awaited for a week of work once with everything in my suitcase saturated in hair spray. Ever since, everything that could leak, spill, seep or anything close gets wrapped within an inch of its useful life.

I’m like you. I used to get suites with kitchens and hit local grocery stores for food for a week. I’d dine out at lunch and veg at night. Eight years on the road 85%+ of the time made dining out alone a bore.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:42:07pm

re: #163 Mattand

I’m guessing from your earlier comment, this is the Heinz wildlife refuge?

Yes. I’ve driven by it and the one parking area for it a lot. First time I have ever stopped in there to look around. Will probably pick and choose some pics and post a “Daily Bucket” over on DK this weekend.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:43:34pm

re: #172 MsJ

Do you wrap your cosmetics/liquid cleansers/perfumes/hair spray in a multitude of grocery bags like I do? I awaited* for a week of work once with everything in my suitcase saturated in hair spray. Ever since, everything that could leak, spill, seep or anything close gets wrapped within an inch of its useful life.

I’m like you. I used to get suites with kitchens and hit local grocery stores for food for a week. I’d dine out at lunch and veg at night. Eight years on the road 85%+ of the time made dining out alone a bore.

* arrived

Where’s autocorrect when you need it? :-)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:43:35pm

re: #167 lawhawk

Once you go Wegmans, you never go back. And I’ve been in most of those. We actually make a point to go into supermarkets on our vacations to see what kind of local food is available.

Also interesting is that the supermarkets that top the list are also among those that treat their workers best. Wegmans is particularly known for that, as is Costco. So too is Trader Joe’s.

I would really love to go to WinCo more often—it’s employee-owned and just a great place to shop—but it’s several miles away. Laziness über alles, I guess.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:44:20pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

Costco is great for long term planning but it can be a pain in the ass if you find yourself just shopping for immediate daily needs.

Unless you have 6 kids. My Mom would have been THRILLED to have a Costco around when we were growing up. Especially when she had teenage boys, which she had for 15 of the 34 years she had kids at home.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:44:26pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

Costco is great for long term planning but it can be a pain in the ass if you find yourself just shopping for immediate daily needs.

This is true. I go there more in the winter, when I’m making a lot of soups and stews that I stick in the freezer. Warmer weather days I’ll go to the Kroger affiliate when I’m grilling more, plus their produce section is way better.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:44:44pm

re: #167 lawhawk

Once you go Wegmans, you never go back. And I’ve been in most of those. We actually make a point to go into supermarkets on our vacations to see what kind of local food is available.

Also interesting is that the supermarkets that top the list are also among those that treat their workers best. Wegmans is particularly known for that, as is Costco. So too is Trader Joe’s.

My new favorite is The Fresh Market. They have an incredible bakery among other wonderful things. (They have a brioche bread loaf that is unbelievable—at about $6 a throw, it should be. French toast made with it is almost too good to believe. And their cranberry/walnut biscotti is—damn, I think I need to run to the grocery store!)

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:46:34pm

I used to pedal past 11 grocery stores on my way home from work. Now I live in a county with three, none are on my way home. The nearest Trader Joe’s is half way across the next state.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:48:09pm

Another great reason to get a Costco membership, cheap gasoline. Cheapest in the county, actually, still (barely) under two bucks a gallon. It’s $2.19 at the Shell station off the interstate.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:48:41pm

re: #172 MsJ

Do you wrap your cosmetics/liquid cleansers/perfumes/hair spray in a multitude of grocery bags like I do? I awaited for a week of work once with everything in my suitcase saturated in hair spray. Ever since, everything that could leak, spill, seep or anything close gets wrapped within an inch of its useful life.

I’m like you. I used to get suites with kitchens and hit local grocery stores for food for a week. I’d dine out at lunch and veg at night. Eight years on the road 85%+ of the time made dining out alone a bore.

Haven’t done that (the wrapping thing). Will have to keep it in mind when I pack next week for 3-1/2 weeks on the road. I’m with you—dining out alone is a bore. It’s not that I’m uncomfortable going out by myself—just that I’d rather watch TV or read a book in a quiet room if I’m alone.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:49:07pm

re: #167 lawhawk

…snip
Also interesting is that the supermarkets that top the list are also among those that treat their workers best. …..

Don’t know what Publix does in selecting and training their young staff, but the kids seem genuinely engaged. Last month a helper took Wife’s bags to the parking lot. When she mentioned her birthday, he ran into the store and came out with a hand-lettered balloon, pastry, and card. We got to know one of the register jockeys so well that we did emergency baby sitting for her.

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otoc  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:52:18pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

This is pretty great - Bill Nye went and confronted Marc Morano and handed his ass to him.

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Yes he did. Moron was later saying that Nye was part of a discussion panel, which apparently was this park bench session. A panel discussion to deniers is the opposition on tape. Feckless.

Thanks for the laugh with the Sarah’s and Moron’s science credentials. Needed that on a Friday. Spot on.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:52:42pm

re: #168 Mattand

Love Costco, but you do have to scrutinize their prices on some stuff. Beef is one item where you could do better at the grocery store.

Yeah I don’t really know why their beef prices are so high. I don’t think the quality is appreciably higher but I could be wrong. I know they pay their employees more so that’s probably part of it but they should be able to make up the difference in economy of scale. Part of it probably to subsidize the $5 roasted whole chicken price which they keep as a loss leader. They also part the unsold birds out at night and set out trays of chicken quarters for $5 that usually sell out fast soon after they open.

Anyway I love Costco but the crowds are bullshit so I generally don’t like going there more than once a week.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:53:28pm

re: #181 BeachDem

Haven’t done that (the wrapping thing). Will have to keep it in mind when I pack next week for 3-1/2 weeks on the road. I’m with you—dining out alone is a bore. It’s not that I’m uncomfortable going out by myself—just that I’d rather watch TV or read a book in a quiet room if I’m alone.

I’m comfortable being alone (prefer it, actually), but I feel like a nerd reading my phone (which is my lifeline to everything, how did I ever live without a kindle?) at a restaurant table. I feel kinda douchey doing that. But I’m an information junkie. I can’t sit inside my head for hours without getting bored.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:54:18pm

re: #175 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I would really love to go to WinCo more often—it’s employee-owned and just a great place to shop—but it’s several miles away. Laziness über alles, I guess.

The most fascinating grocery chain story is DeMoulas Market Basket—once you can keep the family names straight (too many Arthurs), it is amazing.

en.wikipedia.org

In their 2014 ratings, Consumer Reports ranked Market Basket at #6 among national supermarkets.

Market Basket’s starting wages for full-time clerks are $12 an hour - above minimum wage. Employees who work more than 1,000 hours a year are eligible to enter profit-sharing program. Employees also receive benefits, including healthcare and paid sick leave.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:56:36pm

I love business spam where they can’t even spell my company name correctly.

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:56:38pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 3:59:39pm

Role model for today’s youth.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:03:46pm

re: #188 wrenchwench

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I thought you’d checked out for the night, but since you’re still here, I thought you might like this. Via John Gruber: Photo-Realistic Renderings of People’s Sketches of Bicycles

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:07:43pm

re: #186 BeachDem

Market Basket’s in my town. Can confirm its greatness. My brother works at one of the New Hampshire stores. Great people. There’s even a movie based on Arthur’s famous battle for the company. (Trivia: The CEO of Radio Shack was once on MB’s board of directors. He would have killed the chain just as he did to the one he once ran.)

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thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:10:56pm

Evening Lizardim.

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:13:03pm

re: #190 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I thought you’d checked out for the night, but since you’re still here, I thought you might like this. Via John Gruber: Photo-Realistic Renderings of People’s Sketches of Bicycles

Thanks! I think some of those are coming off the assembly line.

This is my favorite weird bicycle design:

THIS BIKE HAS MS

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Cheechako  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:14:07pm

Costco is a fantastic store here n SE Alaska. I’ve been told our store is the smallest store in the Costco chain. Here Costco publishes a catalog of every item in the store for the people in the remote villages. You can phone in or email an order and the store staff will pack it up and make arrangements to ship your order directly to your home in the village. Others will bring their pick-ups (some with trailers) in on the ferry to do their monthly or quarterly shopping in person. I’ve seen people with 3-4 of the huge flat carts loaded 4 feet high with their purchases. Some ring up purchases totaling several thousand $’s.

For me the best purchase is for tires. When I’m traveling down south and have a tire problem I can stop at at Costco for free repair. I’m so addicted I have all the Costco locations programmed into my GPS. Also I can spend the night in my motor-home in their parking lots where local ordnance’s permit it. That usually a $100 plus “camping spot”.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:14:23pm
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:15:57pm

re: #191 Sherlock Hound

Market Basket’s in my town. Can confirm its greatness. My brother works at one of the New Hampshire stores. Great people. There’s even a movie based on Arthur’s famous battle for the company. (Trivia: The CEO of Radio Shack was once on MB’s board of directors. He would have killed the chain just as he did to the one he once ran.)

I was just about to post this. I wasn’t a fan at first. The store was bit dingy and the lighting not great. We had just moved to NH about a year before the strikes began. When I started to hear about how the company had been run under Arthur and the incredible loyalty of his workers, I stayed away until he got a favorable settlement, then I went to support Market Basket.

We also shop at Shaw’s and sometimes Hannaford, though. Our Shaw’s has better produce than MB, and I like Hannaford’s deli meats. But our main weekly shopping is MB.

ETA: my wife particularly likes the old guys who work in the meat department at MB. They take the time to explain cuts and how they like to cook; and they remember her!

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:16:03pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:19:51pm

re: #195 goddamnedfrank

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:20:24pm

re: #184 goddamnedfrank

Yeah I don’t really know why their beef prices are so high. I don’t think the quality is appreciably higher but I could be wrong. I know they pay their employees more so that’s probably part of it but they should be able to make up the difference in economy of scale. Part of it probably to subsidize the $5 roasted whole chicken price which they keep as a loss leader. They also part the unsold birds out at night and set out trays of chicken quarters for $5 that usually sell out fast soon after they open.

Anyway I love Costco but the crowds are bullshit so I generally don’t like going there more than once a week.

Beef prices are so high because the Bundy gang is paying too much for grazing fees from that evil crooked Bureau of Land Management.

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Targetpractice  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:21:19pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

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This is the fantasy world that Bernie Bros live in, that a red state can never vote blue and vice versa. So winning red states in the primaries is pointless, while losing blue states doesn’t count because the vote was “rigged” somehow.

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CleverToad  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:26:11pm

re: #133 Barefoot Grin

Sightly OT, but I’m pissed that I still haven’t found time to see “Hail, Caesar!” It also says a lot to me that GC is attracted to artists like the Coen Bros.

I liked it. I’m a fan of 1940’s musicals, so there were a few scenes that had me trying not to giggle too loud in the theater.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:27:25pm

re: #184 goddamnedfrank

You definitely have to go into Costco with a game plan. Know that the house brand Kirkland is as good as most name brands across most products.

Among the big deals - EVOO. Coffee. Detergents. Paper goods.

Good deals on brands? Tires.

Fresh goods? That is hit and miss - depends on the quantities you need and whether local chains are running sales. Sometimes we have a local ShopRite that does Can Can sales which trump Costco pricing. Same on fresh goods.

The roasted chickens are a loss leader, as are the hotdog combos at their counter. Clothing is also hit and miss - some can be better priced than comparable stores, but sometimes they get models/designs slightly different than sold in retail.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:31:08pm

re: #201 CleverToad

I liked it. I’m a fan of 1940’s musicals, so there were a few scenes that had me trying not to giggle too loud in the theater.

I like to listen to the Kermode and Mayo film review podcast from the BBC. They said almost the same thing. (And also something about a scene where a Rabbi and a priest and maybe an Imam are arguing about the nature of God.)

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:36:11pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:42:38pm

The ascent of Misogyny Mountain shall begin post haste.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:42:41pm

re: #129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I miss Woodman’s (IL/WI)…

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thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:43:18pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

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The ascent of Misogyny Mountain shall begin post haste.

Take a shot for every use of the word “bitch” in a reply.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:48:18pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

Betting it’ll be some kind of alliteration. Shrill Hill.

But the thing is, she’s dealt with all that kind of crap before. Nonstop for years on end. She’ll turn that around by saying something to the effect of, that’s all you got? You can do better. Here, let me help. I’ve heard them all, and I’m still going to beat you in November.

That’s how you disarm Trump’s nonsense.

Or, Hillary goes all Archer on Trump./

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:52:33pm

re: #191 Sherlock Hound

Market Basket’s in my town. Can confirm its greatness. My brother works at one of the New Hampshire stores. Great people. There’s even a movie based on Arthur’s famous battle for the company. (Trivia: The CEO of Radio Shack was once on MB’s board of directors. He would have killed the chain just as he did to the one he once ran.)

It really is a great store, and a fascinating story. My MA sister was a Shaw’s fan because Market Basket was, like Yogi Berra always said—nobody goes there anymore—it’s too crowded. But she finally came around and now won’t shop anywhere else.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:53:42pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

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The ascent of Misogyny Mountain shall begin post haste.

Trump needs to go into the woods and practice saying “Madam President”.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:56:54pm

re: #178 BeachDem

My new favorite is The Fresh Market. They have an incredible bakery among other wonderful things. (They have a brioche bread loaf that is unbelievable—at about $6 a throw, it should be. French toast made with it is almost too good to believe. And their cranberry/walnut biscotti is—damn, I think I need to run to the grocery store!)

I love them too. Their Tuesday $2.99/lb chicken breast/ground chuck specials are great. Huge chicken breasts, and tasty. The chuck has a ton of flavor too.

And I’m lucky that my TFM has a great sushi company that comes in to make sushi every day. Sushi With Gusto. Better than 9/10 restaurants in the area.

Don’t forget. Every Saturday this month their market bacon is on sale. BOGO. I’m glad I have a vacuum sealer.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:57:15pm

re: #191 Sherlock Hound

Market Basket’s in my town. Can confirm its greatness. My brother works at one of the New Hampshire stores. Great people. There’s even a movie based on Arthur’s famous battle for the company. (Trivia: The CEO of Radio Shack was once on MB’s board of directors. He would have killed the chain just as he did to the one he once ran.)

Oh wow, just looked it up—Food Fight—it’s premiering tonight (?) at the Boston Film Festival. Hope it comes out on DVD or for streaming.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:59:31pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Trump needs to go into the woods and practice saying “Madam President”.

It’ll stick in his mouth. I hope he chokes on it.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Apr 15, 2016 • 4:59:38pm

re: #187 MsJ

I love business spam where they can’t even spell my company name correctly.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:00:26pm

re: #213 thedopefishlives

It’ll stick in his mouth. I hope he chokes on it.

No Problem. Bernie will be with him to do a Heimlich.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:01:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:04:44pm

re: #202 lawhawk

You definitely have to go into Costco with a game plan. Know that the house brand Kirkland is as good as most name brands across most products.

Among the big deals - EVOO. Coffee. Detergents. Paper goods.

Good deals on brands? Tires.

Fresh goods? That is hit and miss - depends on the quantities you need and whether local chains are running sales. Sometimes we have a local ShopRite that does Can Can sales which trump Costco pricing. Same on fresh goods.

The roasted chickens are a loss leader, as are the hotdog combos at their counter. Clothing is also hit and miss - some can be better priced than comparable stores, but sometimes they get models/designs slightly different than sold in retail.

Yes, the key to Costco is to shop “like a guy” - what I call Search And Purch. Mrs. FBW feels the need to check out every damn aisle, and when we go there together, it takes FOREVER and costs $400. When I go by myself, I know exactly what I want, and only ever deviate slightly. AND I go on weeknights after 6 PM, to the one that’s on my way home. There’s usually a crowd of people waiting for the next batch of rotisserie chickens to come out.

Every so often, we pickup someone else’s rotisserie chickens. Overcooked, dried out, bleah. Never had a bad one from Costco.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:09:34pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

As a Governor, she also passed a windfall profits tax on oil companies. But being a Wingnut Icon brings with it certain expectations, like believing in the Received Wisdom.

That was what I was thinking. If I recall correctly, she got her first headlines outside of Alaska by bucking the oil companies.

My guess is she either has a financial stake in the movie or Ben Stein wasn’t available.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:12:11pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

The ascent of Misogyny Mountain shall begin post haste.

Well since she has already been called every name in the book and them some, I highly doubt it will be original.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:16:23pm

re: #218 De Kolta Chair

That was what I was thinking. If I recall correctly, she got her first headlines outside of Alaska by bucking the oil companies.

My guess is she either has a financial stake in the movie or Ben Stein wasn’t available.

Nope.
Her PAC is bleeding money faster than it’s coming in because her fan base has shrunk so much.
So she’s just looking for fast, easy money.

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:17:29pm

…States, however, will be free to limit the “stimulation of genitals for non-medical purposes unrelated to procreation.”

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Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:18:32pm

OK! Autosave is now working for posting articles. No more losing a post by accident.

I’m gonna test this for a while with the front page articles, and if all systems are go I’ll also add it to the LGF Pages posting window.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:18:38pm

re: #218 De Kolta Chair

That was what I was thinking. If I recall correctly, she got her first headlines outside of Alaska by bucking the oil companies.

My guess is she either has a financial stake in the movie or Ben Stein wasn’t available.

There turns out to be very little grift money in being reasonable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:19:34pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!

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Brian J.  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:20:14pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

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The ascent of Misogyny Mountain shall begin post haste.

I expect to see him get the support of a new SuperPAC dedicated to getting out the vote, Citizens United Next Tuesday.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:28:12pm
Carry your own damn coconuts!

More bird pictures from this afternoon.

Here fishee fishee Here fishee fishee
How much wood would a wood duck chuck if a wood duck could chuck wood?
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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:29:40pm

This is very cool. Asteroids ranked by mining value (cost effective/most valuable/most accessible). Zoomable, pannable 3d views of them all in simulated orbit.

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calochortus  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:33:47pm

re: #217 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, the key to Costco is to shop “like a guy” - what I call Search And Purch. Mrs. FBW feels the need to check out every damn aisle, and when we go there together, it takes FOREVER and costs $400. When I go by myself, I know exactly what I want, and only ever deviate slightly. AND I go on weeknights after 6 PM, to the one that’s on my way home. There’s usually a crowd of people waiting for the next batch of rotisserie chickens to come out.

Every so often, we pickup someone else’s rotisserie chickens. Overcooked, dried out, bleah. Never had a bad one from Costco.

That’s not gender related. I (female) take my list, buy what I need and maybe, maybe, check out the produce section or whatever for things not on my list. I like to go when it opens and I’m in and out. My friend’s husband, on the other hand, loves to spend time and find “bargains.” It’s an individual thing.

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Ojoe  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:34:52pm

Science requires repeatable experiments with unchanged controls. There is only one climate and you cannot do a repeatable experiment with a control on something unique. Even doing sequential experiments changes what you are working on. All the stuff masquerading as climate “science” is speculation done on incomplete, inaccurate computer models being fed guessed parameters the accuracy of which no one knows.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:37:24pm

So many Turkish fans of Doctor Who!

♥♥HAPPY BIRTHDAY PETER CAPALDI 2k16!!!♥♥

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:39:11pm

re: #230 Ziggy_TARDIS

Doctor Who is available on amazon. amazon.com

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EPR-radar  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:39:35pm

re: #229 Ojoe

Science requires repeatable experiments with unchanged controls. There is only one climate and you cannot do a repeatable experiment with a control on something unique. Even doing sequential experiments changes what you are working on. All the stuff masquerading as climate “science” is speculation done on incomplete, inaccurate computer models being fed guessed parameters the accuracy of which no one knows.

Nonsense. A much better definition of science is using observation, reason and/or experiment to understand natural phenomena as well as possible, where the only real rule of the game is never using ‘goddidit’ as any kind of explanation.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:43:10pm

re: #231 PhillyPretzel

Yep, but I like having it physically.

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blueraven  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:43:30pm

In a very rosy scenario, I gave Bernie wins in NY, CA, PA, MD and more. I was also very generous with all the remaining open primary states. These results has Bernie winning over 56% of remaining pledge delegates. Hillary is still the nominee.

Do the math…

Dem Delegate Calculator

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calochortus  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:43:55pm

re: #232 EPR-radar

Nonsense. A much better definition of science is using observation, reason and/or experiment to understand natural phenomena as well as possible, where the only real rule of the game is never using ‘goddidit’ as any kind of explanation.

I like to think geology is a science and while there are certainly things you can run repeatable experiments on, there is much where you can’t. Yet, you can come up with powerful predictive models for the things you’ve never run an experiment on.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:44:03pm

re: #219 Bubblehead II

Well since she has already been called every name in the book and them some, I highly doubt it will be original.

Whatever he calls her, she should say “Is that it? I’ve heard that one before. Already been done.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:45:00pm

re: #229 Ojoe

Science requires repeatable experiments with unchanged controls. There is only one climate and you cannot do a repeatable experiment with a control on something unique. Even doing sequential experiments changes what you are working on. All the stuff masquerading as climate “science” is speculation done on incomplete, inaccurate computer models being fed guessed parameters the accuracy of which no one knows.

Where’s my denialist Bingo card?

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:47:52pm

March was warm:

“…If you were alive during March 2016, and I’m betting you were, you witnessed U.S. history.

One stunning feature from the March 2016 temperature map was just how universally warm the month was. Every one of the 357 climate divisions across the contiguous United States and Alaska ended up - at least - in the “warmer than normal” category. That’s harder than it sounds: it means each of those divisions ended up in the top third of their own histories.

I thought that was rare, but didn’t know how rare. So I crunched the numbers back for the more than 1,000 months since the US divisional dataset reached statistical adulthood in 1930: it hadn’t happened before.
climate.gov

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calochortus  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:49:06pm

Must go make dinner. Chicken/tortilla soup. Tasty and easy-yay!

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CuriousLurker  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:50:20pm

LOL, just in case no one has posted this yet:

Later, lizards.

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:50:21pm

re: #204 teleskiguy

Why would you do that?

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scottslemmons  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:52:33pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!

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I’ll say this for Cruz — he’s the only one of the Republicans who has a decent sense of humor about himself. Not that he isn’t still nutty as an emu on acid…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:52:59pm

104 years ago today, the Titanic Sank.

However, until 2012, the way it had been portrayed in the movies was wrong, though all reports from survivors reported a list to port before breaking of 9-10 degrees, and much more severe one afterwards.

James Cameron corrected this in 2012.

Titanic 100 - New CGI of How Titanic Sank

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:54:25pm

Ted Cruz has been planning his run for a long time.

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blueraven  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:55:37pm

re: #229 Ojoe

Science requires repeatable experiments with unchanged controls. There is only one climate and you cannot do a repeatable experiment with a control on something unique. Even doing sequential experiments changes what you are working on. All the stuff masquerading as climate “science” is speculation done on incomplete, inaccurate computer models being fed guessed parameters the accuracy of which no one knows.

Wait a minute…are you repeating something Sarah Palin said? If so, you should block quote that.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:55:55pm

re: #229 Ojoe

Science requires repeatable experiments with unchanged controls. There is only one climate and you cannot do a repeatable experiment with a control on something unique. Even doing sequential experiments changes what you are working on. All the stuff masquerading as climate “science” is speculation done on incomplete, inaccurate computer models being fed guessed parameters the accuracy of which no one knows.

You’re a little off. Science doesn’t require unchanged controls. Otherwise we couldn’t do drug experiments with people. When you testing something, a good scientific experiment requires you to create a testing system that makes all the variables other than the one you are testing for statistically insignificant.

Let’s say you’re testing a new headache medication. Since the goal is to all any adult to take it, you want to make sure men and women are represented near equally, different races represented (this is significant in this case because conditions like sickle cell are different in different groups), different income levels, etc.

As for climate change, you can do things like look for samples from different time periods, and different locations. And you’re not required to perform an experiment in a lab. The purpose of a lab is to control some of the variables, but, if you’re smart and patient, you can handle the conditions outside a lab.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:58:21pm

re: #245 blueraven

Wait a minute…are you repeating something Sarah Palin said? If so, you should block quote that.

I hope so. I was worried a lizard was thinking that.

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Mattand  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:58:51pm

re: #229 Ojoe

Science requires repeatable experiments with unchanged controls. There is only one climate and you cannot do a repeatable experiment with a control on something unique. Even doing sequential experiments changes what you are working on. All the stuff masquerading as climate “science” is speculation done on incomplete, inaccurate computer models being fed guessed parameters the accuracy of which no one knows.

Right. Because science also ignores decades of meticulously recorded climate data.

Jesus Christ, dude, you really want to go down this path?

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:59:09pm

People who actually believe that the guns they have in their safe or stashed under the bed are what keeps the government from taking away their rights are probably too stupid to own guns.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 5:59:26pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nope.
Her PAC is bleeding money faster than it’s coming in because her fan base has shrunk so much.
So she’s just looking for fast, easy money.

A Palin looking for a quick easy buck? Get out!

But srsly, it’s a good thing Todd has a union medical plan. //

Irony — it’s how America rolls.

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Mattand  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:00:25pm

re: #237 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Where’s my denialist Bingo card?

I checked this guy’s user info. Definitely put a marker on “God would never let anything happen to our planet, so therefore no climate change.”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:00:45pm

re: #243 Ziggy_TARDIS

Also, the Steel on the ship has been found to have good quality, even by today’s standards. This can be independently verfied by what happened to the Olympic during its life, including be gored by a Cruiser, ramming a U-Boat to sinking, and cutting the Nantucket Lightship in 2. If the steel was as poor as quality as they said, Rivets would have blown in at least the last 2, which didn’t happen.

Though, in the case of the U Boat, the prow underwater was twisted to one side, likely because a Civilian Ship was never, ever meant to ram a military vessel, of any sort.

The Sinking was the fault of the crew, who were going too fast, had little experience with a ship as big as the Titanic, the captain who showed off at least one telegraph in regards to Ice Warnings to some 1st Class Passengers, and the Wireless Crew who failed to take several warnings to the bridge, and rudely treated and neglected the warning from the Californian, who was in no position to help, due to the distance from the Titanic (Between 10-20 miles), and it’s maximum speed of 12-13 mph. In addition, because it was a cargo ship, it only had room for about 50 passengers, and only had even able bodied crew to man about half of its own lifeboats.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:01:18pm

OMG guys—the Washington State Democratic party is going to steal the next caucus round from Bernie!11ty.

Not only is it going to be total chaos because we are going to have to seat 1200 delegates who were not told that there was a charge to be an elected representative, but the young people who we encouraged to be delegates so they could learn to be part of the process will probably not have $10 on them. Many of them will not be able to afford it. Of course, if your campaign is funded by millionaires and billionaires you don’t have a problem.

Yes, every Clinton delegate in Washington state is a millionaire or billionaire. And it’s not fair. And it’s a poll tax. And it should be outlawed and WAH!!!

Oh, wait—

Our Rules will set a requested registration fee of $10 for each seated delegate or alternate, and possibly from persons who are not delegates or alternates who seek election to the CD Caucus and State Convention. Inability to pay the requested fee will not prevent you from attending the caucus or being considered for election. Proceeds from the fee will replenish the 48th District Democrats’ “war chest” for 2016 political campaigns and contributions to candidates, which was eliminated by the high cost of the precinct and district caucuses this year.

dailykos.com

Oops, never mind. I swear kosberners have lost their minds.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:01:59pm

re: #251 Mattand

I checked this guy’s user info. Definitely put a marker on “God would never let anything happened to our planet, so therefore no climate change.”

The planet isn’t going anywhere. It doesn’t need us to keep orbiting the sun.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:03:18pm

re: #229 Ojoe

Science requires repeatable experiments with unchanged controls. There is only one climate and you cannot do a repeatable experiment with a control on something unique. Even doing sequential experiments changes what you are working on. All the stuff masquerading as climate “science” is speculation done on incomplete, inaccurate computer models being fed guessed parameters the accuracy of which no one knows.

Complete nonsense. Please.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:04:47pm

re: #253 BeachDem

I like this comment a little further down:

Wait — don’t discourage the concept of the Sanders campaign paying fees for all comers! It would give him an opportunity to finally do some material support of local and down ticket Dems.

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A Cranky One  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:07:46pm

re: #229 Ojoe

Science requires repeatable experiments with unchanged controls. There is only one climate and you cannot do a repeatable experiment with a control on something unique. Even doing sequential experiments changes what you are working on. All the stuff masquerading as climate “science” is speculation done on incomplete, inaccurate computer models being fed guessed parameters the accuracy of which no one knows.

Umm…..no.

Some science requires repeatable experiments, depending on what is being studied. But to say it all does is the equivalent of the creationists “Were you there?” argument.

I can scientifically test whether CO2 is a greenhouse gas. In fact, that’s an easy and repeatable experiment that anyone can do. Take two clear 2-liter soda bottles. Put 1-2 inches of water in the bottles (exact same amount in both bottles). Let them stabilize temperature. Add extra CO2 to one bottle. Cork both with a rubber cork with a thermometer fed through it (by exactly the same amount on both corks). Put both corked bottles where they’ll receive the same amount of sunlight. Monitor the temperatures. Guess what you’ll find? The bottle with a higher CO2 level will be warmer than the control bottle. This is a repeatable, controlled experiment.

Using a method like this, gather data about how different concentrations of CO2 affect air temperature. You can then hypothesize about the affects of CO2 in the atmosphere. Then create controlled, repeatable tests of the hypothesis to see if it’s valid or incorrect. Rinse and repeat until the hypothesized model yields accurate predictions.

And hint: you can also test predictions and models against historical evidence.

Similarly, break down other basic elements of the issue and study it experimentally. Over time, the different factors can be used to create sophisticated models whose predictions can be tested against the data. When the models aren’t accurate, the data can be used to investigate why and modify the models. Make new predictions, test again against current and historical data.

The use of data to create and test the predictions of a hypothesis are science. And guess what? The controlled and repeatable experiments you demand are in fact used.

Do the simple experiment above and then come back and explain why the results, showing that a higher CO2 concentration in the air raises the air temperature aren’t science or accurate. Then explain how dumping massive amounts into the atmosphere won’t affect it’s temperature.

I’ll be waiting.

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Mattand  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:09:07pm

re: #256 Belafon

I like this comment a little further down:

Heh. Is this person being sarcastic or serious? I know Sanders announced support for three (THREE!!!!!) downticket races the other day, but I get the impression it’s only because people have been pressing him on this.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:09:31pm

re: #229 Ojoe

Science requires repeatable experiments with unchanged controls. There is only one climate and you cannot do a repeatable experiment with a control on something unique. Even doing sequential experiments changes what you are working on. All the stuff masquerading as climate “science” is speculation done on incomplete, inaccurate computer models being fed guessed parameters the accuracy of which no one knows.

Stop trying to confuse the issue with your fancy technical terms like “stuff,” and deliver those damned jet packs like you promised you would, Mr. Wizard!

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Mattand  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:10:37pm

re: #257 A Cranky One


Do the simple experiment above and then come back and explain why the results, showing that a higher CO2 concentration in the air raises the air temperature aren’t science or accurate. Then explain how dumping massive amounts into the atmosphere won’t affect it’s temperature.

DEMONS!!!!!!

It’s always demons. Or telemarketers.

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gwangung  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:12:17pm

re: #229 Ojoe

Science requires repeatable experiments with unchanged controls.

Wrong.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:13:40pm

re: #260 Mattand

DEMONS!!!!!!

Its always demons. Or telemarketers.

I thought it involved telephone sanitizers.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:14:36pm

re: #257 A Cranky One

I’ll be waiting.

I hope you aren’t holding your breath.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:15:56pm

re: #258 Mattand

Heh. Is this person being sarcastic or serious? I know Sanders announced support for three (THREE!!!!!) downticket races the other day, but I get the impression it’s only because people have been pressing him on this.

Donchaknow, all Sanders needs to enact every one of his positions is those three magical dems?

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Mattand  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:15:56pm

re: #262 Belafon

I thought it involved telephone sanitizers.

Thursdays only.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:17:33pm

re: #229 Ojoe

All the stuff masquerading as climate “science” is speculation done on incomplete, inaccurate computer models being fed guessed parameters the accuracy of which no one knows.

On second thought, your grammar ain’t bad, but your knowledge is sorely lacking.

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A Cranky One  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:18:29pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

I hope you aren’t holding your breath.

No. I’m conducting a controlled, repeatable experiment of the effects on my body of too high a concentration of CO2 in my lungs and *gasp gasp*.

Never mind.

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:19:38pm

re: #266 De Kolta Chair

Check this out:
google.com

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e e smith  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:20:29pm

Stewart Lee on Climate Change Loch Ness Monster.

Stewart Lee - Loch Ness Monster

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Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:21:53pm

re: #266 De Kolta Chair

It’s kinda pointless to even try arguing with Ojoe. He’s not a nasty, vicious right winger who spews hatred (that’s why I haven’t suspended his account), but he is definitely a certified member of the right wing bubble chamber and he buys into every loony idea that comes out of Fox News, Drudge Report and Rush Limbaugh.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:24:00pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

It’s kinda pointless to even try arguing with Ojoe. He’s not a nasty, vicious right winger who spews hatred (that’s why I haven’t suspended his account), but he is definitely a certified member of the right wing bubble chamber and he buys into every loony idea that comes out of Fox News, Drudge Report and Rush Limbaugh.

Aren’t those liberal outlets now? Or is that just on Thursday’s as well?

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Testy Toad T  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:24:07pm

All of the “omfg New Whig!!1” shit makes sense, doesn’t it? Burying one’s head in the ground and rejecting any sort of sensible or intelligible data dates to the 1840s just fiiiiiine.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:24:52pm
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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:27:04pm

re: #268 jaunte

Check this out:
google.com

I see now why the rich live in penthouse apartments: to keep from drowning like us schlubs. The rest of us are going to have to grow gills and work as concierges for the 1/100th%.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:29:57pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:30:02pm

re: #241 No Country For Old Haters

Why would you do that?

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:35:15pm

“Assuming a sentence rises into the air with the initial capital letter and lands with a soft-ish bump at the full stop, the humble comma can keep the sentence aloft all right, UP like this, UP, sort-of bouncing, and then falling down, and then UP it goes again, assuming you have enough additional things to say, although in the end you may run out of ideas and then you have to roll along the ground with no commas at all until some sort of surface resistance takes over and you run out of steam anyway and then eventually with the help of three dots … you stop. But the thermals that benignly waft our sentences to new altitudes — that allow us to coast on air, and loop-the-loop, suspending the laws of gravity — well, they are the colons and semicolons.”
― Lynne Truss, Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation
goodreads.com

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:35:20pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

It’s kinda pointless to even try arguing with Ojoe. He’s not a nasty, vicious right winger who spews hatred (that’s why I haven’t suspended his account), but he is definitely a certified member of the right wing bubble chamber and he buys into every loony idea that comes out of Fox News, Drudge Report and Rush Limbaugh.

I’ll have to take your word for it, Charles. I read nonsense like that and immediately go into Rhett Butler “Frankly my dear…” mood. (I took down the graphic I posted in response because I was wrong and their grammar was legit, which from a denier is as rare as a year without a massive oil leak.)

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Great White Snark  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:35:27pm

re: #252 Ziggy_TARDIS

Also, the Steel on the ship has been found to have good quality, even by today’s standards. This can be independently verfied by what happened to the Olympic during its life, including be gored by a Cruiser, ramming a U-Boat to sinking, and cutting the Nantucket Lightship in 2. If the steel was as poor as quality as they said, Rivets would have blown in at least the last 2, which didn’t happen.

Though, in the case of the U Boat, the prow underwater was twisted to one side, likely because a Civilian Ship was never, ever meant to ram a military vessel, of any sort.

The Sinking was the fault of the crew, who were going too fast, had little experience with a ship as big as the Titanic, the captain who showed off at least one telegraph in regards to Ice Warnings to some 1st Class Passengers, and the Wireless Crew who failed to take several warnings to the bridge, and rudely treated and neglected the warning from the Californian, who was in no position to help, due to the distance from the Titanic (Between 10-20 miles), and it’s maximum speed of 12-13 mph. In addition, because it was a cargo ship, it only had room for about 50 passengers, and only had even able bodied crew to man about half of its own lifeboats.

Actually the steel was brittle by the standards of today. Even modern alloys can be challenged by very low temperatures. Not to at all deny the human factor. I don’t think anything short of an armored vessel could withstand the offset gouge the Titanic took. I kinda like the idea a head on hit would have not sunk the vessel, perhaps just stranded her. Because my job involves a lot of metallurgy, I frequently read papers like this one on the Titanic.

Recent tests of steel from the Titanic reveal that the metal was much more brittle than modern steel but the best available at the time, a metallurgical engineering professor at the University of Missouri-Rolla says in a paper to be published in the January 1998 issue of Journal of Metals.

The steel used to build the Titanic was not as “impact-resistant” as modern steel, according to Dr. H.P. Leighly, a professor emeritus of metallurgical engineering at UMR. But it was the best steel available at the time, says Leighly, who studied some 200 pounds of steel from the wreckage.sciencedaily.com

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:35:36pm

I’m sticking with the Oxford comma. It just makes more sense. I would also like to introduce the use of letters instead of commas in long numbers. These would allow you to read a number without scanning ahead: 299m792t458 m/s.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:38:14pm

re: #279 Great White Snark

Sulfur is BAD. Avoid it.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:38:50pm

re: #276 teleskiguy

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If you don’t go crazy every once in a while you’ve gotta be crazy.

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:39:38pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:40:39pm

re: #282 De Kolta Chair

Wibble.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:41:19pm

re: #283 jaunte

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They have a point. Have you seen Ocean’s Thirteen?

//// Man, that is just… just… ugh.

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:41:40pm

re: #285 De Kolta Chair

I’m a Dapper Dan man.

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:43:32pm
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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:43:53pm

re: #286 jaunte

I’m a Dapper Dan man.

I love that movie. Folks who think politics is a religion, not so much. ;-)

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scottslemmons  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:44:32pm

re: #273 Charles Johnson

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Why would you want to break the habit of using the Oxford comma? That’s like deciding to break the habit of eating good food or breathing clean air.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:45:39pm

re: #284 The Ghost of a Flea

Wibble.

Wobble.

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prairiefire  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:47:12pm

re: #286 jaunte

I’m a Dapper Dan man.

But are you bonified?

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Great White Snark  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:48:06pm

re: #281 Testy Toad T

One day I’m really gonna sink my teeth into good steel metallurgy. Lately been extra interested as I have been looking at a shop that is chock full of mechanical forming machines for gold. Chain making machines. The one below is almost 100 years old and making curb chains all day every workday. Might do a full blown photo shoot in this place. Just a sample from my cell-

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calochortus  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:49:11pm

re: #289 scottslemmons

Why would you want to break the habit of using the Oxford comma? That’s like deciding to break the habit of eating good food or breathing clean air.

So true. It serves a purpose. (As do those two spaces between sentences…)
I’m quite willing to let the meaning of some words evolve (“begs the question” for example) but punctuation is just too important. Right? Right???

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Great White Snark  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:53:23pm

re: #293 calochortus

If a rule were to be changed how about allowing ?!

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:53:39pm

Two inches an hour for five hours, you say?

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:55:03pm

re: #287 jaunte

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lol Where is this bad place George should go to anyway, one of his Tuscan palazzi? I can think of worse punishments. Forcing him to watch Ocean’s Thirteen for instance.

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A Cranky One  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:56:10pm

re: #294 Great White Snark

If a rule were to be changed how about allowing ?!

?!?

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calochortus  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:57:47pm

re: #294 Great White Snark

If a rule were to be changed how about allowing ?!

I dunno about that. Would I still be allowed to wear an onion on my belt? Or is that just for guys anyway?

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:59:12pm

Listening to Welcome to Night Vale on the way home, and this cracked me up:

The local chapter of the NRA has begun market testing some possible new slogans. These include:

‘Guns don’t kill people - blood loss and organ damage does!’

‘Guns don’t kill people, people kill guns’

‘A list of things that kill people: one - conceivably anything! Two - not guns!’

‘Guns don’t kill people, we are all immortal souls living temporarily in shelters of earth and meat’

And, ‘If you say guns kill people one more time, I will shoot you with a gun, and you will, coincidentally, die’

To vote on the new slogan, simply fire a gun at the object or person that best represents your choice.

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Great White Snark  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:59:36pm

re: #298 calochortus

I dunno about that. Would I still be allowed to wear an onion on my belt? Or is that just for guys anyway?

I’m a grammar radical.

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calochortus  Apr 15, 2016 • 6:59:42pm

re: #294 Great White Snark

If a rule were to be changed how about allowing ?!

⸘Or is this what you meant‽

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:00:15pm
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Jenner7  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:00:44pm

Just embarrassing…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:00:47pm

I don’t understand the objection to double spaces after periods and colons, but people online can get so nasty about it that I’ve been “fatigued into compliance”. It still looks illiterate, but whatever. I’ll never give up the Oxford comma, though.

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calochortus  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:03:13pm

re: #304 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I don’t understand the objection to double spaces after periods and colons, but people online can get so nasty about it that I’ve been “fatigued into compliance”. It still looks illiterate, but whatever. I’ll never give up the Oxford comma, though.

I don’t think anyone has ever been nasty to me about the double spaces-although a lot of sites just remove the “extra” spaces automatically. I have had people try to make me give up my beloved Oxford commas, but so far no one has succeeded.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:03:25pm

re: #300 Great White Snark

I’m a grammar radical.

I’m a math √

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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:04:51pm

re: #303 Jenner7

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Just embarrassing…

Cliche theatre.

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:05:11pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:06:44pm

re: #304 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I don’t understand the objection to double spaces after periods and colons, but people online can get so nasty about it that I’ve been “fatigued into compliance”. It still looks illiterate, but whatever. I’ll never give up the Oxford comma, though.

If you know what I mean, my statement is effective. Ya’ know waddimean?

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:07:07pm
Gale Blair
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:09:30pm

re: #279 Great White Snark

A head on hit also would have likely killed 200+ people, mostly crew and 3rd class passengers.The ship weighed 52k tons, and was moving at least 20 kts, producing about 64.72 million kilojoules of energy, if I am doing e=mc^2 correctly.

The ironic thing is that, because they did full speed reverse, the middle propeller stopped, heavily reducing the effectiveness of the ship’s rudder. If it had been going at full steam ahead, or even just reduced speed ahead, turned hard to port, then had the port propeller shut off or reversed, the Titanic would have missed the iceburg.

But, the Titanic disaster needed to happen anyway. Because many people got very reckless, and there were outdated regulations. If it hadn’t been the Titanic, it would have been another ship. Maybe the Mauretania, the Olympic, the France, Imperator, but it would have happened.

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Cheechako  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:11:07pm
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Jenner7  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:12:48pm

So, Sanders released one whole tax return, without the page that lists itemized deductions, and the media is falling for it.

There is already a Hillary speech on Youtube.

As far as I’m concerned, the issue should be done. One return and one speech.

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Great White Snark  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:14:20pm

re: #311 Ziggy_TARDIS

I worry it will happen again and to one of these super stabilized shallow draft monsters. Not an iceberg but something. Too large too shallow.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:16:59pm

re: #311 Ziggy_TARDIS

A head on hit also would have likely killed 200+ people, mostly crew and 3rd class passengers.The ship weighed 52k tons, and was moving at least 20 kts, producing about 64.72 million kilojoules of energy, if I am doing e=mc^2 correctly.

Hold the phone, there, Sparky. You want to use the kinetic energy formula, KE= 1/2 mv2, not the mass-energy equivalence formula more appropriate to nuclear reactions.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:17:37pm

re: #312 Cheechako

This is for you…

Behind the scenes of the rescue of 2 skiers from Harding Icefield

Damn! A perfect mix of sheer survivalist shit and technology. That’s pretty amazing.

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Great White Snark  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:18:15pm

Grammar, math, and what’s next architecture?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:18:59pm

re: #314 Great White Snark

I will never go on a Cruise Ship that is oceangoing. Period!

A, the disease outbreaks.

B, the Titanic was over engineered at its time, and some of its design holds up, Having the longitudinal dividers caused the Empress of Ireland Disaster within 2 years. Most ships today are designed to minimum specifications and nothing more.

In fact, given what happened to the Costa Concordia when two compartments were breached, I would be dreadfully curious what would have happened to the Titanic in a similar situation. An iceburg is about as hard as rock, and Titanic took quite a while to sink with 6 compartments breached.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:20:13pm

re: #304 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I don’t understand the objection to double spaces after periods and colons, but people online can get so nasty about it that I’ve been “fatigued into compliance”. It still looks illiterate, but whatever. I’ll never give up the Oxford comma, though.

I still do two spaces after a period. Shoot me.

Why are we supposed to give up commas?

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:20:13pm

Just want to throw a fact out there for Ojoe: The first time the global temperature (as measured by thermometers, not other more indirect means) hit 1 degree C above the 1951-1980 average was 6 months ago. Every month since then has also been higher than 1 degree C above the 1951-1980 average. Not bad for “speculation done on incomplete, inaccurate computer models being fed guessed parameters the accuracy of which no one knows.”

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:20:58pm

re: #243 Ziggy_TARDIS

104 years ago today, the Titanic Sank.

On the bright side, it’s one of the few catastrophes originating in Edwardian Belfast that wasn’t blamed on the Catholics (as far as I’m aware of).

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thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:21:23pm

re: #319 MsJ

I still do two spaces after a period. Shoot me.

Why are we supposed to give up commas?

Two spaces was - still is, if I recall correctly - the standard for typewritten communications. Just because the iPhone automatically adds a . after typing two spaces does not mean that’s how it’s supposed to be. IIRC, it only became “standard” to type a single space after the period because original text communications were so limited.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:22:08pm

re: #319 MsJ

I still do two spaces after a period. Shoot me.

Why are we supposed to give up commas?

Beats me. Charles was talking about giving up the Oxford comma. I don’t know why.

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stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:22:55pm

re: #273 Charles Johnson

I’ve been using oxford commas like crazy today. I’ve been writing RFPs for engineering services on a couple of my projects today and throwing in that extra comma has been so helpful in clarifying the list of tasks that I was requesting. I don’t care if it’s wrong.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:23:48pm

re: #315 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Hold the phone, there, Sparky. You want to use the kinetic energy formula, KE= 1/2 mv2, not the mass-energy equivalence formula more appropriate to nuclear reactions.

Yeah, I get about 2.68 billion Joules.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:24:02pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

It’s kinda pointless to even try arguing with Ojoe. He’s not a nasty, vicious right winger who spews hatred (that’s why I haven’t suspended his account), but he is definitely a certified member of the right wing bubble chamber and he buys into every loony idea that comes out of Fox News, Drudge Report and Rush Limbaugh.

Oh, so he’s me when I first joined.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:24:23pm

re: #311 Ziggy_TARDIS

A head on hit also would have likely killed 200+ people, mostly crew and 3rd class passengers.The ship weighed 52k tons, and was moving at least 20 kts, producing about 64.72 million kilojoules of energy, if I am doing e=mc^2 correctly.

The ironic thing is that, because they did full speed reverse, the middle propeller stopped, heavily reducing the effectiveness of the ship’s rudder. If it had been going at full steam ahead, or even just reduced speed ahead, turned hard to port, then had the port propeller shut off or reversed, the Titanic would have missed the iceburg.

But, the Titanic disaster needed to happen anyway. Because many people got very reckless, and there were outdated regulations. If it hadn’t been the Titanic, it would have been another ship. Maybe the Mauretania, the Olympic, the France, Imperator, but it would have happened.

I think my grandmother came to the USA on the Olympic, in steerage.

The Titanic’s sinking was a real blow to the hubris of the British Empire, and you could argue it was a symbol of the Empire’s eventual dissolution — the end of an era, as it were. Downton Abbey’s creators used the sinking to begin their series, as a plot device, of course, but I’d argue the sinking symbolized the end of the upper class British way of life that the series chronicles.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:24:51pm

re: #322 thedopefishlives

Two spaces was - still is, if I recall correctly - the standard for typewritten communications. Just because the iPhone automatically adds a . after typing two spaces does not mean that’s how it’s supposed to be. IIRC, it only became “standard” to type a single space after the period because original text communications were so limited.

I understand the double space was because the symbols on a typewriter are all the same size, so it was hard to tell the difference between the end of a sentence and spacing between words. Because of kerning with computer systems, the double space isn’t needed anymore. At least that’s the rationale I hear.

It did take me a while to break the double space habit, especially since I learned to type on a typewriter.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:26:09pm

re: #315 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yep. Fixing that.

re: #325 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

1.34 million Kilojoules.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:27:49pm

re: #325 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, I get about 2.68 billion Joules.

Which is still pretty bad for the passengers and crew in the forward sections of the ship. Plus, at 12 knots that sudden deceleration means a lot of bodies flying into hard, immovable objects like walls and railings.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:28:27pm

re: #325 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, I get about 2.68 billion Joules.

E=mc2, OTOH, gives about 4.67 x 1024 Joules. About 1.1 billion megatons.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:28:47pm

re: #324 stpaulbear

I’ve been using oxford commas like crazy today. I’ve been writing RFPs for engineering services on a couple of my projects today and throwing in that extra comma has been so helpful in clarifying the list of tasks that I was requesting. I don’t care if it’s wrong.

You can pry them from my cold, dead keyboard keys.

You often can’t be specific enough without them because this, that and the other thing makes “that and the other thing” look like it’s one thing instead of two.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:28:55pm

Totally off topic (whatever that was), but it just occurred to me that if I were a rich man (iIdle-daidle-daidle, etc.), I’d feed the hungry, protect the poor, redistribute the wealth, and broadcast a 24 hour Foyle’s War channel, with a new episode every week, just like Jesus would do. But not those post-war episodes. They would be banned. Thanks for listening.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:29:05pm

re: #315 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Hold the phone, there, Sparky. You want to use the kinetic energy formula, KE= 1/2 mv2, not the mass-energy equivalence formula more appropriate to nuclear reactions.

Since the ship is moving, you’d need to use the more general equation anyway:

E2 = m2c4 + p2c2

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prairiefire  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:29:10pm

re: #295 teleskiguy

My moms flight to Arizona is now going thru San Diego instead of Denver tomorrow!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:29:40pm

re: #329 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yep. Fixing that.
1.34 million Kilojoules.

Everything in the same units system? kg, m/s, for example?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:30:25pm

re: #331 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

E=mc2, OTOH, gives about 4.67 x 1024 Joules. About 1.1 billion megatons.

End of the world, basically.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:30:27pm

re: #327 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think my grandmother came to the USA on the Olympic, in steerage.

The Titanic’s sinking was a real blow to the hubris of the British Empire, and you could argue it was a symbol of the Empire’s eventual dissolution — the end of an era, as it were. Downton Abbey’s creators used the sinking to begin their series, as a plot device, of course, but I’d argue the sinking symbolized the end of the upper class British way of life that the series chronicles.

RMS Titanic herself was a relic of a bygone age. She was outfitted as the largest and most luxurious ocean liner in existence, in a market that was increasingly favoring faster, sleeker ships.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:30:41pm

re: #327 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Olympic had a significant series of collisions. 2 months after it’s maiden voyage, a British Cruiser has hot-dogging through a narrow channel, and speared the Olympic with is ram, though the Olympic suffered only moderate flooding in 2 compartments, and nearly pulled the cruiser under.

During World War I, the Olympic because, as of now, the only ship to have ever suck a military submarine in combat. I will let the note on Wiki explain.

n the early hours of 12 May 1918, while en route for France with US troops under the command of Captain Hayes, Olympic sighted a surfaced U-boat 500 m (1,600 ft) ahead. Her gunners opened fire at once, and she turned to ram the submarine, which immediately crash dived to 30 m (98 ft) and turned to a parallel course. Almost immediately afterwards Olympic struck the submarine just aft of her conning tower and her port propeller sliced through U-103’s pressure hull. The crew of U-103 blew her ballast tanks, scuttled and abandoned the submarine.Olympic did not stop to pick up survivors, but continued on to Cherbourg. Meanwhile, the USS Davis had sighted a distress flare and picked up 31 survivors from U-103. Olympic returned to Southampton with at least two hull plates dented and her prow twisted to one side, but not breached.

It was subsequently discovered that U-103 had been preparing to torpedo Olympic when she was sighted, but the crew were not able to flood the two stern torpedo tubes. For his service, Captain Hayes was awarded the DSO. Some American soldiers on board paid for a plaque to be placed in one of Olympic’s lounges to commemorate the event, it read:

And towards the end of its career, lost in fog, it hit and split in two the Nantucket Lightship, sinking it.

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calochortus  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:31:22pm

re: #323 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Beats me. Charles was talking about giving up the Oxford comma. I don’t know why.

I think the NYT gave it up. Anyway, fighting over it is a “thing” amongst those who have too much time and too much education.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:31:32pm

re: #335 prairiefire

My moms flight to Arizona is now going thru San Diego instead of Denver tomorrow!

That’s weird, but not that unusual. Happened to a friend of mine last year (and was he pissed). Where’s she going to in AZ, and why (I grew up in Tucson and am a tad obsessed with comings and goings in the Copper State)?

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:31:33pm
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thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:32:04pm

re: #328 Belafon

I understand the double space was because the symbols on a typewriter are all the same size, so it was hard to tell the difference between the end of a sentence and spacing between words. Because of kerning with computer systems, the double space isn’t needed anymore. At least that’s the rationale I hear.

It did take me a while to break the double space habit, especially since I learned to type on a typewriter.

I still have the habit of manually typing the period and space on my iPhone instead of just hitting the spacebar twice. Of course, since I type so much on a standard keyboard, that habit will probably be impossible to break.

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stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:32:47pm

re: #317 Great White Snark

Grammar, math, and what’s next architecture?

My last comment (324) added the architecture. One project on the Superior North Shore, and another project up near Lake Vermillion. They both involve toilets; it’s not all glamour.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:33:58pm

re: #338 thedopefishlives

Not as much as you might think.

Save for a brief period in the beginning of 20s, until 1929, the Mauretania was the fastest ship on the seas. In fact, SS France, which had its maide voyage about 5 days after the Titanic sunk, was only about 2 knots faster.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:34:05pm

re: #344 stpaulbear

My last comment added the architecture. One project on the Superior North Shore, and another project up near Lake Vermillion. They both involve toilets; it’s not all glamour.

I dunno, bro. Up on the north shore, you might be working on golden toilets.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:34:13pm

re: #339 Ziggy_TARDIS

The Olympic had a significant series of collisions. 2 months after it’s maiden voyage, a British Cruiser has hot-dogging through a narrow channel, and speared the Olympic with is ram, though the Olympic suffered only moderate flooding in 2 compartments, and nearly pulled the cruiser under.

During World War I, the Olympic because, as of now, the only ship to have ever suck a military submarine in combat. I will let the note on Wiki explain.

And towards the end of its career, lost in fog, it hit and split in two the Nantucket Lightship, sinking it.

Grandma’s voyage was much less dramatic, AFAIK. She died a year after my mom was born, so no one living now got to hear that story.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:35:00pm

re: #342 jaunte

This was in the replies:

Dims. That’s a good name for them.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:36:38pm

Something I spotted on a walk a few weeks back around the Art Museum.

The underground parking garage behind the Art Museum is edged by walls made of large stones, hedged, and has trees on the terraces where the ventilation systems vent out. There is also a sculpture garden and ornamental plants on top, which is why I take the paths up there occasionally.

Behold the Felis Redoubt

If you come up to the upper wall in the right place you can see down behind the topmost hedge.

Garrison cats in residence

I’ve seen these same two cats hanging out here in the late afternoon at least four times. They’re skittish about people going by, and generally watch me closely once they notice me. No idea if they’re feral or have a staff arrangement. And the closest residence to this location is about 100 yards away on the far side of a busy road.

My personal suspicion is that they are semi-feral and probably shelter or hunt in the parking garage itself as well since one of the entrances is not too far away from that location. The hidden spot *is* a real good place to go sit and get the afternoon sun.

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prairiefire  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:36:39pm

re: #341 De Kolta Chair

Phoenix.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:37:24pm

Rage Furby has posted a headline, but forgot to add the story below.

Daily Beast’s Betsy Woodruff Bashes Trump’s Consultant For Dictator Ties But Gave Column To Dictator Supporting Romney Shill

You got that? Short version: Betsy Woodruff is anti-Trump. Burn her!

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thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:37:55pm

re: #345 Ziggy_TARDIS

Not as much as you might think.

Save for a brief period in the beginning of 20s, until 1929, the Mauretania was the fastest ship on the seas. In fact, SS France, which had its maide voyage about 5 days after the Titanic sunk, was only about 2 knots faster.

Ismay and the White Star Line traded speed for size and a comfortable ride (the turbines of Mauretania and Lusitania, while powerful and capable of generating tremendous speed for an oceangoing liner, caused noticeable vibrations). They were banking on selling top-dollar bookings on the world’s biggest, most luxurious passenger ships.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:40:06pm

re: #352 thedopefishlives

Ismay and the White Star Line traded speed for size and a comfortable ride (the turbines of Mauretania and Lusitania, while powerful and capable of generating tremendous speed for an oceangoing liner, caused noticeable vibrations). They were banking on selling top-dollar bookings on the world’s biggest, most luxurious passenger ships.

Even if Titanic had not sunk, that business plan would have been. Within two decades after the voyage, rich folks would be flying across the Atlantic.

354
stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:40:10pm

re: #346 thedopefishlives

I dunno, bro. Up on the north shore, you might be working on golden toilets.

This is government work. Bulletproof, but not many frills.

355
De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:42:18pm

re: #350 prairiefire

Phoenix.

I was afraid you’d say that. ;-)

Though I’ve heard Phoenix isn’t the racist right wing stick up the arse town of my youth. Haven’t been there in forever and don’t plan to but I’m always curious.

Why is your mom in Phoenix, if you don’t mind me asking?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:42:28pm

re: #347 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The incident with the cruiser is the notable one of the three.

The ramming bow was meant to sink Ships, but the Olympic just kept going forward. The Hawke nearly sank because of it, as the Olympic was still moving forward, while the Hawke had stopped. With its prow in the Olympic, the Hawke started to be pulled into a very heavy list, before escaping and correcting itself.

The Olympic? Aside from relatively moderate flooding, and FUBARed propeller shaft, the ship was still afloat, with everyone on board safe, and most importantly, never in danger of sinking.

357
Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:43:23pm

re: #351 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I wonder what it’s like to go through the day obsessed with other people.

358
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:44:07pm

re: #351 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rage Furby has posted a headline, but forgot to add the story below.

Daily Beast’s Betsy Woodruff Bashes Trump’s Consultant For Dictator Ties But Gave Column To Dictator Supporting Romney Shill

You got that? Short version: Betsy Woodruff is anti-Trump. Burn her!

Chuck must have seen this comment. Now I’m getting page not found error 404.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:44:17pm

re: #353 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Even if Titanic had not sunk, that business plan would have been. Within two decades after the voyage, rich folks would be flying across the Atlantic.

Precisely my point. Fast ships would have a place for a few years, as air travel technology still had to catch up; but Zeppelins were already catching on as a fad for rich people.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:45:06pm

re: #353 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yeah, but that would hit everyone. And that’s not quite what killed Tran-Atlantic Shipping in the 30’s.

It was a combination of the Great Depression, the racist Immigration restrictions, and the new American Tariffs during that time.

It also killed most other lines. Cunard itself was merged with White Star in 1935, and Cunard still has some Titanic obligations on the books, at least the books I got on the Titanic in the late 90s.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:45:48pm

re: #359 thedopefishlives

Precisely my point. Fast ships would have a place for a few years, as air travel technology still had to catch up; but Zeppelins were already catching on as a fad for rich people.

Until another disaster put the kabosh on that trend.

362
Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:46:20pm
363
teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:46:30pm
364
Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:46:58pm

re: #361 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I will be curious to see the carbon output of people traveling by plane to Europe, versus by ship.

365
thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:47:30pm

re: #361 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Until another disaster put the kabosh on that trend.

Gee, who knew things falling apart and killing people would put a damper on the enthusiasm.

366
BeenHereAwhile  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:48:17pm

re: #279 Great White Snark

Actually the steel was brittle by the standards of today. Even modern alloys can be challenged by very low temperatures. Not to at all deny the human factor. I don’t think anything short of an armored vessel could withstand the offset gouge the Titanic took. I kinda like the idea a head on hit would have not sunk the vessel, perhaps just stranded her. Because my job involves a lot of metallurgy, I frequently read papers like this one on the Titanic.

The longitudinal coal bunkers were a design flaw that contributed to the sinking of the Titanic.

367
stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:49:00pm

I can’t wait for the overnight music thread! The Minnesota Music History Channel posted a couple of videos from the band I was in in the late 70’s (Husker Du and The Replacements were also filmed at this week-long series of gigs in the Seventh Street Entry).

368
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:49:54pm

re: #360 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yeah, but that would hit everyone. And that’s not quite what killed Tran-Atlantic Shipping in the 30’s.

It was a combination of the Great Depression, the racist Immigration restrictions, and the new American Tariffs during that time.

It also killed most other lines. Cunard itself was merged with White Star in 1935, and Cunard still has some Titanic obligations on the books, at least the books I got on the Titanic in the late 90s.

Cruise ships are now only for the experience of being on board a cruise ship, not for really going places, anyway. Back then, taking a ship was transportation and the frills made a week-long voyage comfortable (for those who could afford it). Now the frills are the whole reason to take a cruise.

My grand-uncle was a NYC hotelier. He and his wife took several transatlantic voyages during the ’20s, and she continued the habit in the ’30s after he died. They went first class.

369
De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:50:26pm

re: #363 teleskiguy

Farag 2016!

No thanks. I seem to recall several nasty wars fought over God’s Bone.

Besides, I’m registered with the The Potassium’s Too Damn High! Party and probably can’t switch over at this point in the primaries.

//

370
Stanley Sea  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:50:29pm

re: #361 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Until another disaster put the kabosh on that trend.

Oh the humanity!

371
BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:52:01pm

re: #303 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

Just embarrassing…

And stupid.

372
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:52:44pm

The Betsy Woodruff post at Rage Furby Central is gone, and replaced by a post making fun of Dana Loesch for spelling Corey Lewandowski’s name four different ways. Coming from a guy whose command of the English language is barely better than my Chinese students’, that’s pretty rich.

373
Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:53:12pm

re: #366 BeenHereAwhile

Except the opposite design in the Empress of Ireland caused the proportionately worse sinking in that case.

The Titanic took a fairly long time to sink, 160 minutes.

Problem was, very few ships in the immediate area, some of whom may not have had Wireless, and one who did had it turned of.

Another ship, the Mount Temple, attempted to reach the Titanic, but ended up trapped in ice in what could only be described as heart-breakingly close distance.

There seemed to be at least one other ship in the area between the Titanic and the Californian, but it likely didn’t have Wireless, and probably did know what was going on until it reached port.

374
gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:54:25pm

This is an example of good journalism. Ted Cruz clarifies an important policy position.

375
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:56:30pm

re: #372 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Betsy Woodruff post at Rage Furby Central is gone, and replaced by a post making fun of Dana Loesch for spelling Corey Lewandowski’s name four different ways. Coming from a guy whose command of the English language is barely better than my Chinese students’, that’s pretty rich.

Chuck’s rationale for poor copy editing — it costs money??

Dude, I copyedit my own copy for free
376
Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:56:47pm

Japan is having another problem now.

Volcano!

Japan’s Mount Aso in the Kumamoto Prefecture erupts sending ash about 100 meters (300 feet) into the air. The Japan Meteorological Agency kept its alert level at 2 on a scale of 5 for Aso following the eruption. It is unclear if the eruption is related to Saturday’s Kumamoto quake.

377
BeenHereAwhile  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:57:00pm

re: #323 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Beats me. Charles was talking about giving up the Oxford comma. I don’t know why.

What about the endangered semicolon?

Did its demise began when James Joyce quit using semicolons after 1917?

378
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:58:27pm

re: #377 BeenHereAwhile

What about the endangered semicolon?

Did its demise began when James Joyce quit using semicolons after 1917?

Semicolons have to provide their birth certificate in order to enter a sentence.

379
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 7:59:28pm
380
De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:00:23pm

re: #351 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rage Furby has posted a headline, but forgot to add the story below.

Daily Beast’s Betsy Woodruff Bashes Trump’s Consultant For Dictator Ties But Gave Column To Dictator Supporting Romney Shill

You got that? Short version: Betsy Woodruff is anti-Trump. Burn her!

Laugh away, but after Labor Day on-the-fence voters start paying much greater attention to major issues like Betsy Woodruff and how people perceive Betsy Woodruff.

Btw, who the hell is Betsy Woodruff?

381
BeenHereAwhile  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:00:24pm

re: #364 Ziggy_TARDIS

I will be curious to see the carbon output of people traveling by plane to Europe, versus by ship.

You need to read up on number 6 bunker oil.

382
stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:00:42pm

re: #376 Ziggy_TARDIS

Japan is having another problem now.

Volcano!

Jebus, when do they get hit with the meteor?

383
William Lewis  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:01:10pm

re: #367 stpaulbear

Cool! What band were you in?

Remembering the mats, Husker and Urban Guerillas right now… Fun times.

384
BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:01:37pm

re: #375 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Chuck’s rationale for poor copy editing — it costs money??

[Embedded content]

Is back money the same as front money (only different?)
/

(Here, upchuck, free of charge—it should be “money for back taxes,” not “back money in taxes” you illiterate dolt.)

385
Belafon  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:01:40pm

re: #382 stpaulbear

Jebus, when do they get hit with the meteor?

All of these are precursors to the emergence of Godzilla.

386
teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:01:58pm

re: #375 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

What the fuck is that little floppy phallus hanging off all of UpChuck’s k’s?

387
stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:03:56pm

re: #383 William Lewis

Cool! What band were you in?

Remembering the mats, Husker and Urban Guerillas right now… Fun times.

My band was (ironically) called Fine Art. I was in and out of the band a couple of times. The drummer in between my stints in the band also drummed for Urban Guerillas.

388
Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:04:27pm

re: #382 stpaulbear

Jebus, when do they get hit with the meteor?

RIght after Godzilla breaks out of the iceberg and destroys Tokyo (or at least a portion of it.)

389
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:04:56pm

re: #386 teleskiguy

What the fuck is that little floppy phallus hanging off all of UpChuck’s k’s?

It’s some 18th-century font he’s using with that c-k ligature. It really should use the “long ſ” too, to be consistent….

390
De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:05:12pm

re: #386 teleskiguy

What the fuck is that little floppy phallus hanging off all of UpChuck’s k’s?

Might be his pet, Furr-Be, that we keep hearing about???

391
goddamnedfrank  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:05:37pm

re: #229 Ojoe

Science requires repeatable experiments with unchanged controls. There is only one climate and you cannot do a repeatable experiment with a control on something unique. Even doing sequential experiments changes what you are working on. All the stuff masquerading as climate “science” is speculation done on incomplete, inaccurate computer models being fed guessed parameters the accuracy of which no one knows.

Everything you’ve said can be used to deny the fossil record and the age of the earth. You think you’re talking about science but you’re really justifying is a total refusal to extrapolate from existing data sources and arguing against the validity of inferential, predictive, causal & mechanistic systems analysis.

392
BlueSpotinAL  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:05:57pm

re: #379 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Bill O’Reilly thinks women will make up migraines to get abortions

Women get migraines when O’Reilly shows up with a falafel (known to most people as a loofah).

393
Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:06:06pm

re: #381 BeenHereAwhile

Yikes! Just did a cursory look, and that garbage is awful. Scratch that question out.

394
teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:08:24pm

re: #375 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Chuck’s rationale for poor copy editing — it costs money??

It’s all about his new journalism paradigm: shoot from the hip, fuck all the haters, and always refer to yourself in the third person or some such shit.

395
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:09:40pm

re: #393 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yikes! Just did a cursory look, and that garbage is awful. Scratch that question out.

And <100 tons of kerosene can take 400 people across the Atlantic in a 747. The Titanic probably used that much coal every hour, so I think the carbon signature now is quite a bit lower.

396
MsJ  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:10:31pm

re: #377 BeenHereAwhile

What about the endangered semicolon?

Did its demise began when James Joyce quit using semicolons after 1917?

Still use ‘em.

I’m, apparently, a troglodyte.

397
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:10:40pm

re: #394 teleskiguy

It’s all about his new journalism paradigm: shoot from the hip, fuck all the haters, and always refer to yourself in the third person or some such shit.

Chuck is not paying Chuck enough to do the work for Chuck, it seems.

398
De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:11:40pm

re: #379 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Bill O’Reilly thinks women will make up migraines to get abortions

To keep from thinking of ways O’Reilly should die, let’s look at a cat, shall we?

Bastard ain’t worth the aggro.

399
gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:14:47pm

Just got back from the Trump rally in Hartford. No I didn’t go inside. I was a “legal observer” whatever that means. There were no fights or arrests.

Things I learned today:
1. “Hillary Sucks but not as good as Monica” T-Shirts are very popular.
2. Best sign was “Trump Likes Coldplay”; best banner was “Your grandpa fought fascists, don’t elect one”
3. Trying to sell Trump merchandise to BLM protesters is not a good business model.
4. Did you know that JFK’s “assassination was was ordered by Rome, then planned and carried out by Jesuits, just as President Lincoln’s was”? :actual quote from actual flyer some guy handed me.

Did anything happen inside the convention center?

400
teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:17:46pm

re: #399 gocart mozart

Just got back from the Trump rally in Hartford. No I didn’t go inside. I was a “legal observer” whatever that means. There were no fights or arrests.

401
BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:19:33pm

OK—this is rich, Bernie’s flying back from a family sojourn to Rome where he gave a “very important” ten-minute rant version of his stump speech and his campaign email is bitching about the George Clooney fund-raiser, claiming that Hillary is using the money for her own campaign and asking:

Help Bernie raise $353,000 before midnight.

Let us remember that HIS campaign paid for the little Roman holiday (plus what WE paid for SS) or…

402
De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:31:00pm

re: #399 gocart mozart

Did anything happen inside the convention center?

Besides the irony of Coldplay being the opening act for Trump, nothing really.

////

403
BeenHereAwhile  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:52:49pm

re: #396 MsJ

Still use ‘em.

I’m, apparently, a troglodyte.

Ah good, another to perpetuate the species.

Call any semicolon; chances are it will respond to you.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:01:29pm

re: #403 BeenHereAwhile

Ah good, another to perpetuate the species.

Call any semicolon; chances are it will respond to you.

Semicolons are OK, but I stopped using hemi-demi-semicolons—just too precious.

405
No Country For Old Haters  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:58:48pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

One change saves a byte per sentence. The other would reduce clarity. I’m not on board with this change.


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