Overnight Tiny Desk Jam: Lake Street Dive

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February 29, 2016 by BOB BOILEN

These four musicians made their first record together a decade ago, but for many of us, 2016 will be the year Lake Street Dive becomes a household name. The appeal of this band of New England Conservatory friends lies in their warmth in harmony and comfortably styled songs — sometimes tilting toward soul, often rocking danceably on a new collection of songs called Side Pony.

At first, it may be Rachael Price and her charismatic voice that draws you to this Tiny Desk concert, but it won’t take long to see that this isn’t just a singer and her backing band. The “two Mikes” (trumpeter and guitarist Mike “McDuck” Olson and drummer Mike Calabrese), along with upright bassist Bridget Kearney, share in the songwriting and singing, and contribute mightily to these creative arrangements. You can hear everyone mesh so well in these three new songs from Side Pony — songs likely to be favorites for many at year’s end.

Side Pony is available now:
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/side-pony/id1056891405
Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0184MPQ54/?tag=littlegreenfo-20

Set List:
“I Don’t Care About You”
“How Good It Feels”
“Godawful Things”

Credits:
Producers: Bob Boilen, Niki Walker; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Niki Walker, Kara Frame; Production Assistant: Jackson Sinnenberg; Photo: Brandon Chew/NPR.

For more Tiny Desk concerts, subscribe to our podcast: http://www.npr.org/podcasts/510292/tiny-desk-concerts-video

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204 comments
1
Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 10:17:59pm
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jaunte  Apr 29, 2016 • 10:20:10pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 29, 2016 • 10:38:15pm

Another 40 minutes before the next round of meds. I might try and get the first of the naps in at that point.

I can’t really call it going to sleep when the alarm goes off in two hour intervals.

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 10:38:45pm

Trying a new keyboard for one handed typing from Microsoft called Word Flow. Interesting.

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 10:40:53pm

This swipes better than Swifkey - by far better. Cool ass keyboard.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 29, 2016 • 10:43:07pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 29, 2016 • 11:07:20pm

Do I stay up until the 1:15 meds. Hmmm.

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Der Flohgeisteffekt  Apr 29, 2016 • 11:14:06pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

Quoth Aristotle, in the intonation of Rick James: Hubris is one hell of a drug.

Once you conflate self and cause, the latter degrades to elevate the former.

Jesus Christ. It’s like I was bitten by Berthold Brecht at the full moon.

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Shimshon  Apr 29, 2016 • 11:32:27pm

Ms. Price has such a powerful voice. Great music from this group.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:13:28am

The most egregious bit of clickbait in today’s Salon. I used to read it a lot, now I just go through to find the most idiotic headline:

Bernie Sanders isn’t a radical: Noam Chomsky is exactly right regarding how mainstream Bernie’s policies really are

Even Bernie ain’t lefty enough for them…FFS

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Alyosha  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:25:38am

re: #10 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Was seconds away from posting the link myself.

In it, Sanders is just a misunderstood New Dealer. I suppose the thrust of the article is correct, but it glosses over the fact that the real criticism of his platform isn’t that it’s ‘extremist’ so much as it poorly planned.
An FDR, Sanders is not.

The GOP is singled out for being the true extremist party, but the subtext is that Clinton is running a non-controversial neoliberal campaign and is therefore bad as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:27:10am

re: #11 Alyosha

Was seconds away from posting the link myself.

In it, Sanders is just a misunderstood New Dealer. I suppose the thrust of the article is correct, but it glosses over the fact that the real criticism of his platform isn’t that it’s ‘extremist’ so much as it poorly planned.
An FDR, Sanders is not.

The GOP is singled out for being the true extremist party, but the subtext is that Clinton is running a non-controversial neoliberal campaign and therefore bad as well.

The subtext is that there is no real difference between Clinton and Trump and if you are upset about BS losing, then just go out and vote for Donald to show how spiteful you can be.

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Alyosha  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:33:07am

re: #12 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The subtext is that there is no real difference between Clinton and Trump and if you are upset about BS losing, then just go out and vote for Donald to show how spiteful you can be.

Chomsky has said in the past that there are few general elections worth voting in since the outcome is generally that the line of executive continuity is maintained.

It’d be interesting if he came right out and said that there’s no daylight between Clinton and Trump. But he tends to say such stupid things without actually saying it.

Plus, if Clinton is a continuation of the Obama presidency’s contribution to US history, in the ill-fated words of an example that not all POTUSs are carbon-copies, ‘bring it on.’

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:37:14am

re: #13 Alyosha

Chomsky has said in the past that there are few general elections worth voting in since the outcome is generally that the line of executive continuity is maintained.

“If voting could change anything, we wouldn’t be allowed to do it”.

I forget who this quote is from (Berthold Brecht?) but it is true to some extent.

But all I can say regarding Trump vs Clinton is SCOTUS. Am not about to leave that entirely in the hands of the GOP for the next four years.

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:39:03am

Went and saw some stand-up comedy tonight. It’s been years since I’ve actually gone to see some stand-up. Last time was like five years ago when I saw Rob Delaney. Tonight was Eddie Pepitone. It was good, I laughed so hard my tear ducts opened up a few times.

For his last bit he walked out into the audience and “heckled himself” with alarming specificity. He sat down behind me and yelled at the top of his lungs something about him having bad dreams of birds eating at his neck.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2016 • 1:25:07am

I knew there was some overlap:

Lizards share sleep patterns with humans

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Der Flohgeisteffekt  Apr 30, 2016 • 1:36:30am

re: #14 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If Sharks Were Men by Bertolt Brecht

Cheerful fish taste much better than melancholy ones.

Okay, somebody research how to kill a were-Brecht. It may become necessary if I fully transform.

Probably a stake through the spleen.

(That last bit is humor humor. Get it?)
(God, I’m isolated.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2016 • 1:40:14am

Okay, somebody research how to kill a were-Brecht.

It is not that hard, it just takes a Weill…

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2016 • 1:41:07am

Dude. Finding all kinds of Prince YouTubes. Watch ‘em before his estate gets their shit together and pulls them all.

Prince piano JAZZ Summertime

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2016 • 1:42:05am

This cover of Whole Lotta Love is insane.

Prince Whole Lotta Love

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Dave In Austin  Apr 30, 2016 • 2:16:58am

Morning all
Big weather moving into Travis Country. Major light show and 9 pins going off to the SW.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 30, 2016 • 2:26:21am

Lightning and Coffee….

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2016 • 2:27:31am

re: #22 Dave In Austin

Lightning and Coffee….

I used to love sitting out and drinking G&Ts while watching the summer monsoon storms roll into Tucson, AZ.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 30, 2016 • 2:37:19am

A storm in the SF bay area that has more than three booms is an excitingly intense thunder and lightning show. Our weather is so fucking boring.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2016 • 2:38:06am

re: #24 Single-handed sailor

A storm in the SF bay area that has more than three booms is an excitingly intense thunder and lightning show. Our weather is so fucking boring.

For that, you have culture…

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Dave In Austin  Apr 30, 2016 • 2:40:11am

re: #23 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I used to love sitting out and drinking G&Ts while watching the summer monsoon storms roll into Tucson, AZ.

I used to drive out into the desert N of Phx and do the same. Best shows in the world as far as I’m concerned.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2016 • 2:41:12am

re: #26 Dave In Austin

I used to drive out into the desert N of Phx and do the same. Best shows in the world as far as I’m concerned.

Awesome when the mountains are backlit by big flashes of lighting.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2016 • 2:56:25am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2016 • 2:58:11am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson is the type of hateful “journalist” who’s destroying our country. Check out this pathetic article:

He is attacking you for re-posting something hateful (in order to condemn it, not out of agreement)?

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2016 • 3:03:09am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Journalist? I thought you were a website designer/proprietor.

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William Lewis  Apr 30, 2016 • 3:14:45am

re: #29 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He is attacking you for re-posting something hateful (in order to condemn it, not out of agreement)?

Pointing out what the fascists are doing has always been the most dangerous, and most important, aspect of journalism for the past century.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2016 • 3:16:28am

re: #31 William Lewis

Pointing out what the fascists are doing has always been the most dangerous, and most important, aspect of journalism for the past century.

And the basis of President Trump’s new libel laws will be to prevent just that…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2016 • 3:17:18am

re: #18 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Okay, somebody research how to kill a were-Brecht.

It is not that hard, it just takes a Weill…

… with a knife, kept out of sight.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 30, 2016 • 3:23:55am

It’s come to this…….. Cheeto dust. I hate seeing a good Cheeto squandered like this.

RWW News: Glenn Beck Mocks Donald Trump By Covering His Face With Crushed-Up Cheetos

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William Lewis  Apr 30, 2016 • 3:25:34am

re: #33 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

… with a knife, kept out of sight.

At the next whiskey bar?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2016 • 3:26:55am

re: #33 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

… with a knife, kept out of sight.

Has someone done something rash?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2016 • 3:30:05am

re: #34 Dave In Austin

It’s come to this…….. Cheeto dust. I hate seeing a good Cheeto squandered like this.

He is just giving himself a Boehner.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2016 • 3:32:48am

re: #13 Alyosha

Chomsky has said in the past that there are few general elections worth voting in since the outcome is generally that the line of executive continuity is maintained.

It’d be interesting if he came right out and said that there’s no daylight between Clinton and Trump. But he tends to say such stupid things without actually saying it.

Plus, if Clinton is a continuation of the Obama presidency’s contribution to US history, in the ill-fated words of an example that not all POTUSs are carbon-copies, ‘bring it on.’

It would be so much cooler if the direction of the country were determined every 4 years by the roll of a 20-sided die.

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William Lewis  Apr 30, 2016 • 3:36:51am

re: #26 Dave In Austin

I used to drive out into the desert N of Phx and do the same. Best shows in the world as far as I’m concerned.

I used to love the summer afternoon rainstorms when I was at Ft Huachuca one hot July and seeing the hard rain not make it to the ground was a. Major mind trip. Or if it did hit the ground it vanished instantly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2016 • 3:40:42am

re: #39 William Lewis

I used to love the summer afternoon rainstorms when I was at Ft Huachuca one hot July and seeing the hard rain not make it to the ground was a. Major mind trip. Or if it did hit the ground it vanished instantly.

During the late summer monsoon season in southern AZ a “30% chance of rain” means that it will rain somewhere, there is just a 30% chance that you might get wet from it.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2016 • 3:44:28am

The Tiny Desk combo is quite surprising—in the deep tradition of Blue-eyed Soul:

Barbara Dane & Earl Hines - How Long, How Long Blues - 1959

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2016 • 4:07:52am

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Has someone done something rash?

Nope, just playing his horn.

Louis Armstrong sings “Mack the Knife”

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2016 • 4:21:47am

re: #42 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Nope, just playing his horn.

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To close the circle—Barbara Dane with Louis Armstrong:

Louis Amstrong and Barbara Dane on Timex Jazz

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2016 • 4:44:49am

Happy Wiches’ Sabbath everyone! Off to Frankfurt to meet up with some folks and play our first outdoor session at Schneider’s Organic Apple Orchard on May 1st.

Weather is picking up, the only snow is that of apple and cherry blossoms floating down…

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 30, 2016 • 4:56:15am

re: #18 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Okay, somebody research how to kill a were-Brecht.

It is not that hard, it just takes a Weill…

Pirate Jenny?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2016 • 5:50:47am

re: #45 BeenHereAwhile

Pirate Jenny?

Such a judgemental term! She prefers “Sea Eagle”.

en.wikipedia.org

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 30, 2016 • 5:52:13am

good morning fellow Lizards.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2016 • 6:50:03am

People must still be in bed.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2016 • 7:04:44am

re: #14 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

“If voting could change anything, we wouldn’t be allowed to do it”.

I forget who this quote is from (Berthold Brecht?) but it is true to some extent.

But all I can say regarding Trump vs Clinton is SCOTUS. Am not about to leave that entirely in the hands of the GOP for the next four years.

I view it in terms of the American experience: If voting couldn’t change anything, they wouldn’t waste their time trying to restrict it.

What’s the purpose of Citizens United if voting isn’t effective? To move money from rich people to rich people?

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ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2016 • 7:18:48am

re: #48 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

People must still be in bed.

I was logged in but doing other stuffs and watching Formula 1 qualifying.

Also, trying to figure out WTF is going on politically. And I have come to the conclusion that I can’t. This is the strangest political season ever.

Earlier MSNBC’s first news show of the day had some radio guy on from Indiana and it was just bizarre. Of course I was either half asleep or half in denial of what he was trying to say. Indiana is a strange state politically.

They had some video of Governor Spence dancing around Trump to not piss him off and bring the Trump Rath™ but saying he is a Cruz guy. I guess that is how it is going to be from here on with Republicans…soft stated endorsements of Trump while puking.

Can you cross your fingers and toes and still consider that you haven’t actually endorsed Trump?

The radio guy was giving Bernie big credit about his stance on foreign trade and how that was big in the state and the fact that Hillary was not doing any advertising was a sign she was forgetting about them and that was going to hurt her. Great insight there.

I wonder if people are just going to flat run out of gas by November and just not care any longer. Our media sure doesn’t help. People will be running from any election coverage in another month. But they will tune in for the riots and demonstrations.

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wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2016 • 7:30:56am

re: #16 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I knew there was some overlap:

Lizards share sleep patterns with humans

[…]

Lizard sleep may be similar to the sleep patterns of our ancestors, said Dr Laurent.

And lizards might even dream in a rudimentary way.

[…]

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Alephnaught  Apr 30, 2016 • 7:47:34am

Rather interesting story. About 40 years worth of diaries found in a skip. This story details how the writers pieced together the diaries, and eventually found their anonymous creator.

theguardian.com

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 7:47:43am

The Bernie deadenders at caucus99percent.com are now seriously contemplating voting for Trump.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:14:48am

re: #53 Nyet

‘…ANother concept: Give the keys to the car to the GOP, and they will run the car off the cliff. The alternative is to sign up for 4 or 8 more years of incrementalism at a minimum, more likely for the rest of my adult life. Because at age 58 I will most likely never get another chance to vote for a candidate that represents the people like Bernie has. Letting the GOP totally screw the pooch would require 4 years of not incrementalism, but real increased pain. People would die. But at the end of the day we would be in a much better position to take the reigns of our government and lead the way to a new progressive era that would last decades.’
caucus99percent.com

This is nihilism and pure assholery from someone who thinks they won’t be hurt.

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:16:38am

re: #54 jaunte

Salon is on it too:

salon.com

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:20:34am

One of the leftie-becoming-fascist assholes:

If Bernie were to formally run, I would definitely vote for him. But writing him in is truly wasting a vote. Write-ins of undeclared candidates don’t get reported, they just get tossed. Vote Green if they are on your ballot or someone else. I plan to vote for Trump. Yes, I hate him and think he will be a terrible President. But no worse than Hillary! So why vote at all? Or why not make a protest vote for Jill Stein?

A revolution is happening in the Republican Party. A populist revolution and it’s winning. It would have won in the Democratic Party if, instead of one anointed candidate, Wall Street was stuck with supporting four different candidates. Then we would have seen Bernie in Trump’s position. I’m not voting for Trump, I’m voting to support populism. The other choices just strengthen Wall street’s hold on the Democratic Party by electing Clinton.

It’s the classic David Duke v Edwin Edwards dilemma. This time I’m not voting for the crook.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:23:08am

re: #56 Nyet

Someone should pierce their little bubble, and ask what happens to Hispanics and Muslims.

I won’t. I am trying to keep control of my mind, which is a full time job in itself.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:23:28am

From George Takei, a list of policies that Sanders and Clinton agree on:

Expand medicare and the Affordable Care Act
Raise the minimum wage
Protect a woman’s right to choose
Fund Planned Parenthood
Make college much more affordable
Keep the church and state separate
Protect Social Security
Fight for LGBT rights and equality
Lead the world in combating climate change
Pass immigration reform with a path to citizenship
Raise taxes on the top earners

And importantly, both would appoint justices to the Supreme Court who share compassionate progressive values to stop the Conservatives from undoing decades of gains.
dailykos.com

Most of which would be lost by voting Trump.

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:25:04am

re: #58 jaunte

Lots if not most of these assholes are former Nader voters, judging by the comments. Explains a lot.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:25:26am

re: #58 jaunte

From George Takei, a list of policies that Sanders and Clinton agree on:

Most of which would be lost by voting Trump.

Any standing the USA has in the world would be lost by electing Trump. You could kiss our credibility goodbye.

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Alyosha  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:25:36am

re: #38 Decatur Deb

It would be so much cooler if the direction of the country were determined every 4 years by the roll of a 20-sided die.

I’d leave it to chance only if your manna level was high.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:27:13am

re: #60 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

This is apparently a desirable feature to many of his supporters.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:27:37am

re: #54 jaunte

This is nihilism and pure assholery from someone who thinks they won’t be hurt.

Newbies not understanding that it wouldn’t be four years, but at least 20 years and probably more like 40.

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nines09  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:27:56am

re: #53 Nyet

Add to that the amount of GOP politicians who are eventually going to support Trump and the effect that will have. If you support Bernie, for whatever reason, and you consider voting for Trump if Hillary wins the nomination, you are truly fucked in the head, intending to fuck everyone else. The GOP will line up behind Trump. They have no choice. Bernie supporters, on the other hand, are supposed to be intelligent. At least that’s what they profess.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:28:48am

:’(

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:28:50am

re: #62 jaunte

This is apparently a desirable feature to many of his supporters.

No kidding. This comes from the people who still grieve over Kaddafi dying.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:28:57am

re: #56 Nyet

One of the leftie-becoming-fascist assholes:

Fuck people like this. Waaaah I didn’t get my pony so i’m willing to fuck over other people.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:29:11am

re: #63 Belafon

And it’s coming from someone who says he’s 58 years old.
He must have been repeating the same year for the last 45.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:29:29am

re: #57 Ziggy_TARDIS

Someone should pierce their little bubble, and ask what happens to Hispanics and Muslims.

I won’t. I am trying to keep control of my mind, which is a full time job in itself.

Not just Hispanics and Muslims but lots of other groups. There’s a special place for selfish assholes like this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:29:41am

re: #58 jaunte

And if you take the EXACT opposite of all those policies, you have the GOP platform!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:30:01am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:30:50am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Oh, I know, it was just that these two groups seem to get “special” attention.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:31:04am

re: #62 jaunte

This is apparently a desirable feature to many of his supporters.

Yep, they just love the idea of a President who threatens to blow up anyone who disagrees with us.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:31:38am

re: #72 Ziggy_TARDIS

Oh, I know, it was just that these two groups seem to get “special” attention.

True. The difference between Clinton and Trump on immigration alone is enough for me.

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Alyosha  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:32:05am

I’m so hipster, I’m going to rally for Stalin, that way everyone will know Trotsky was always the better choice when the counter-revolution comes.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:32:39am

From what I’ve heard from my cousin who lives overseas, if we elect or even get to close to electing Trump, we’re going to lose a lot of respect and goodwill overseas.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:32:43am

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:33:16am

re: #75 Alyosha

I’m so hipster, I’m going to rally for Stalin, that way everyone will know Trotsky was always the better choice when the counter-revolution comes.

I’m all about Zinoviev. //

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:34:01am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:34:14am

Meanwhile, in India….

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:34:54am

re: #78 HappyWarrior

I’m all about Zinoviev. //

I like Radek’s hair tho.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:35:03am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

From what I’ve heard from my cousin who lives overseas, if we elect or even get to close to electing Trump, we’re going to lose a lot of respect and goodwill overseas.

Nearly everyone outside the USA sees Trump as a buffoon and blowhard. Can you imagine him addressing the UN, the G20, or some other international body?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:36:50am

re: #82 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Nearly everyone outside the USA sees Trump as a buffoon and blowhard. Can you imagine him addressing the UN, the G20, or some other international body?

IT sounds like something out of a bad comedy.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:37:09am

re: #79 jaunte

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Well duh.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:39:46am

re: #83 HappyWarrior

IT sounds like something out of a bad comedy.

Tragicomedy

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:41:59am

Well, I’m calling it a night. I did some way overdue spring cleaning, and I’m tuckered out. See you all later.

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Alyosha  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:47:45am

An extended Sanders tantrum (or Berntrum, if you will) might be good for the Democratic turnout in November. The longer he appears to be a petulant, squalling bairn, the more likely his tired rhetoric will cause his supporters to turn to Clinton in the face of the Republican Horror.
What will be left in the perfect-loser core, willing to destroy the village in order to save it (Vietnamese irony lost on leftists), will not be enough to cause a Trump victory.

Don’t pick this post apart. I’m trying on optimism again.

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:51:11am

Santrum.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:52:34am
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Alyosha  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:54:49am

‘I voted for Hitler because, like, this country, under Weimar, it’s like weakened AF. Nooo, I know he’s like literally the worst, but he just likes to, ya know, bust out his swagger.’
‘Lol! Von Hindenberg will like, totally keep him under control.’

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wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:55:22am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:55:32am
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Alyosha  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:56:14am

re: #90 Alyosha

Read this with all the upwards inflections.

All. Of. Them.

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stpaulbear  Apr 30, 2016 • 8:56:50am

re: #53 Nyet

The Bernie deadenders at caucus99percent.com are now seriously contemplating voting for Trump.

re: #56 Nyet

One of the leftie-becoming-fascist assholes:

Are there hundreds of people who are that stupid? Thousands? Dozens?

I hoping that it may be the Velvet Underground effect - very few people were on to them, but (per Brian Eno) every person who bought the records started a band (or, in this case, a blog).

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:00:58am

re: #89 FormerDirtDart

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Most of them will. Party above all else to them.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:01:42am

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and the Klan likes him too.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:02:08am

re: #94 stpaulbear

Except that, in the case of the Velvet Underground, many of those bands were at least somewhat worthwhile.

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wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:10:35am

I just saw a whole lot of cop and sheriff cars go by for the funeral that’s happening 4 blocks away. So sad. It’s for the cop who did a murder/suicide last week. His victim, besides himself, was the head nurse at a local facility. I spoke to her about two months ago on the phone. She set me up with my current doctor. The two who are dead have a six year old daughter. One of the cop’s pall bearers is the guy who wrote the police report for my case. Small town. Sad town.

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stpaulbear  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:12:17am

re: #97 Ziggy_TARDIS

Except that, in the case of the Velvet Underground, many of those bands were at least somewhat worthwhile.

Yeah, that thought came to mind after I posted it. Not the best analogy.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:13:41am

Just dancing along to the banjo

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Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:20:16am

re: #89 FormerDirtDart

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As someone who liked Jon Huntsman, he can fuck himself with a rusty spear now.

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:20:50am

I don’t even know where to start with how wrong this is in all aspects:

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:25:24am

re: #101 Timothy Watson

As someone who liked Jon Huntsman, he can fuck himself with a rusty spear now.

I stopped sorta-sympathizing with Huntsman after his campaign pulled an anti-Paul stunt with an alleged Paul supporter attacking JH for his adopted Chinese kid. I’m even willing to assume that it wasn’t a JH operative who uploaded that anonymous youtube video (although the crudeness of execution does suggest simple ratfuckery), it’s the fact that Huntsman latched onto this fully anonymous video by an unknown author as proof of something something about Paul - who is as much of a schmuck as Trump, mind you, but it’s about JH’s “character”, not Paul’s.

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:28:20am

re: #103 Nyet

At that moment it became clear that he’s nothing but a power-hungry opportunist.

He’s confirmed that in spades.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:36:36am

re: #101 Timothy Watson

As someone who liked Jon Huntsman, he can fuck himself with a rusty spear now.

Yeah wasn’t he the sane one last time around?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:41:54am
Yahoo paid Marissa Mayer $36 million in compensation last year despite the company’s shrinking revenue and profits. The CEO is also expected to receive a huge payout of $55 million if she is terminated after Yahoo is sold.

Man….fuck golden parachutes.

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ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:47:52am

re: #79 jaunte

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The Klan…dressing up like clowns and acting like stupid bigots.

The Donald…dressing himself as a politician and acting like a bigoted president.

Yeah, they share some beliefs.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:51:44am

re: #34 Dave In Austin

It’s come to this…….. Cheeto dust. I hate seeing a good Cheeto squandered like this.

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It will be interesting to see what the anti-Trump wingnuts like Beck and Mark Levin do once Trump is the nominee.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:53:24am

re: #107 ObserverArt

The KlanThe GOP base…dressing up like clowns and acting like stupid bigots.

The Donald…dressing himself as a politician and acting like a bigoted president.

Yeah, they share some beliefs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:54:00am

re: #108 Big Beautiful Door

It will be interesting to see what the anti-Trump wingnuts like Beck and Mark Levin do once Trump is the nominee.

Oh I’m they’ll find some way to Trumpsplain why he’s not so bad after all…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:54:28am

re: #107 ObserverArt

The Klan…dressing up like clowns and acting like stupid bigots.

The Donald…dressing himself as a politician and acting like a bigoted president.

Yeah, they share some beliefs.

It’s not acting!
//

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:55:34am

re: #50 ObserverArt

I was logged in but doing other stuffs and watching Formula 1 qualifying.

Also, trying to figure out WTF is going on politically. And I have come to the conclusion that I can’t. This is the strangest political season ever.

Earlier MSNBC’s first news show of the day had some radio guy on from Indiana and it was just bizarre. Of course I was either half asleep or half in denial of what he was trying to say. Indiana is a strange state politically.

They had some video of Governor Spence dancing around Trump to not piss him off and bring the Trump Rath™ but saying he is a Cruz guy. I guess that is how it is going to be from here on with Republicans…soft stated endorsements of Trump while puking.

Can you cross your fingers and toes and still consider that you haven’t actually endorsed Trump?

The radio guy was giving Bernie big credit about his stance on foreign trade and how that was big in the state and the fact that Hillary was not doing any advertising was a sign she was forgetting about them and that was going to hurt her. Great insight there.

I wonder if people are just going to flat run out of gas by November and just not care any longer. Our media sure doesn’t help. People will be running from any election coverage in another month. But they will tune in for the riots and demonstrations.

A lot of people still aren’t paying attention, and won’t until the Fall.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2016 • 9:57:39am

Morning Lizards. Ironically, getting up every two hours, I may have gotten more sleep than my Fitbit normally thinks I get. Fortunately it has been effective so far managing her pain, so it’s been worth it.

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ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:00:02am

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald J. Trump ✔ ‎@realDonaldTrump

The “protesters” in California were thugs and criminals. Many are professionals. They should be dealt with strongly by law enforcement!

9:31 AM - 30 Apr 2016

Thug says what?

And he may not have a criminal record, but his business behavior sure has been criminal.

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:01:55am

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

Man….fuck golden parachutes.

All that hard work. She worked 1,000 times harder than the employees making $36k a year.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:02:17am

re: #113 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Morning Lizards. Ironically, getting up every two hours, I may have gotten more sleep than my Fitbit normally thinks I get. Fortunately it has been effective so far managing her pain, so it’s been worth it.

I find sometimes short power naps can be very restul for me. They come in handy when I’m traveling and trying to sleep as little as possible to reach my destination.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:03:45am

re: #115 SoundGuy 2016

All that hard work. She worked 1,000 times harder than the employees making $36k a year.

Meanwhile the unpaid interns are looking at those 36K/year folks like they’re Made Men.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:05:42am

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

I find sometimes short power naps can be very restul for me. They come in handy when I’m traveling and trying to sleep as little as possible to reach my destination.

I normally sleep like shit, according to my Fitbit. I’ve debated getting a sleep study done (apnea is definitely in the family) but haven’t pulled the trigger yet. Eight hours in bed will typically translate to 4-5 hours actually “asleep” according to the restlessness measure.

Last night I got 6, even with the getting up to dispense meds.

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:06:24am

INCOMING!!!

I don’t know what it is but it is BREAKING… and probably hot. Very hot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:11:14am

I posted this tweet exchange between FLOTUS/POTUS and Prince Harry yesterday:

Then I had nightmares about how Donald/Melania would try to be similarly humorous in that situation.
Conclusion: it would be snotty and start WWIII.

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wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:11:21am

re: #119 SoundGuy 2016

INCOMING!!!

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I don’t know what it is but it is BREAKING… and probably hot. Very hot.

Is this it?

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makeitstop  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:11:51am

re: #19 teleskiguy

Dude. Finding all kinds of Prince YouTubes. Watch ‘em before his estate gets their shit together and pulls them all.

Actually, there are many more videos online than there were when he was alive.

His organization had their shit way more together than anyone as far as keeping his material off of YouTube.

I think the estate is relaxing the rules to allow people to enjoy his stuff one more time. Some of the videos are coming from Prince’s own archives.

And this video is the best one I’ve watched - NPG in Detroit, just funky AF. Funny patter from The Man (wait for the Beyonce bit, it’s hilarious), and the band is tight as can be. That’s Maceo Parker, James Brown’s sax dude, on sax along with the lovely Candy Dulfer.

Prince DMSR live at Detroit

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:15:16am

re: #57 Ziggy_TARDIS

Someone should pierce their little bubble, and ask what happens to Hispanics and Muslims.

I won’t. I am trying to keep control of my mind, which is a full time job in itself.

Best to just ignore them. There will always be assholes posting nonsense on the internet. It doesn’t mean they represent a significant fraction of voters. Just like the vast majority of Clinton voters voted for Obama in ‘08 despite the obnoxious Pumas, the vast majority of Bernie voters will vote for Clinton when faced with the horror of Trump.

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:15:51am

re: #121 wrenchwench

Could be that. It really is huge!

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:22:05am

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

Yahoo paid Marissa Mayer $36 million in compensation last year despite the company’s shrinking revenue and profits. The CEO is also expected to receive a huge payout of $55 million if she is terminated after Yahoo is sold.

Man….fuck golden parachutes.

And yet, every time I go to ‘My Yahoo’ Yahoo Weather insists I live in Sunnyvale, CA.

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:23:54am

I think it was this:

Why Are White Men With Things To Say Being Silenced?

There is a growing, disturbing trend in modern America where the opinions of brave, noble, white men are being ignored and marginalized. Instead of being allowed to add their thoughts on multiple media platforms, white men are being silenced.

The opinions of white men on a variety of issues ranging from politics to science to entertainment and beyond are a valuable addition to our great national dialogue.

Reads like a vanilla Chuccubus screed, a fingernails on chalkboard whiny persecution complex with a side of greasy white supremacism.

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:24:12am

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

After ~240 years you finally get your comeuppance.

Boom!

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:25:08am

“Never Tru… well, okay, Trump.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:26:57am

re: #90 Alyosha

‘I voted for Hitler because, like, this country, under Weimar, it’s like weakened AF. Nooo, I know he’s like literally the worst, but he just likes to, ya know, bust out his swagger.’
‘Lol! Von Hindenberg will like, totally keep him under control.’

As best as I can determine, the decision to make Hitler Chancellor of Germany was literally the worst decision in the history of the world.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:28:53am

re: #129 Big Beautiful Door

As best as I can determine, the decision to make Hitler Chancellor of Germany was literally the worst decision in the history of the world.

Once you get beyond making sentient beings.

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:33:05am

re: #126 SoundGuy 2016

I think it was this:

Why Are White Men With Things To Say Being Silenced?

Reads like a vanilla Chuccubus screed, a fingernails on chalkboard whiny persecution complex with a side of greasy white supremacism.

I think it’s a satire blog by Willis.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:35:13am

re: #91 wrenchwench

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:35:49am

re: #129 Big Beautiful Door

As best as I can determine, the decision to make Hitler Chancellor of Germany was literally the worst decision in the history of the world.

Worst and best are notoriously subjective, but that could be made less problematic by establishing specific criteria. If the number of deaths is one such criterion, surely Mao is in competition, considering the unreliability of the available stats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:37:21am

LOLOLOL
Never too early to start the War on Christmas…

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:40:29am

So Santa replaced Jesus? Oh Noes!

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:41:55am

This is NOT FUNNY. Not one bit.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:44:05am

re: #126 SoundGuy 2016

I think it was this:

Why Are White Men With Things To Say Being Silenced?

Reads like a vanilla Chuccubus screed, a fingernails on chalkboard whiny persecution complex with a side of greasy white supremacism.

There has never been an age in which it was easier for assholes to be heard. Heck, if you are a white supremacist, all you have to do is tweet the Donald, and there is an excellent chance he will retweet you to millions of his followers.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:53:22am

re: #133 Nyet

Worst and best are notoriously subjective, but that could be made less problematic by establishing specific criteria. If the number of deaths is one such criterion, surely Mao is in competition, considering the unreliability of the available stats.

Mao certainly killed a lot of people, but no-one actually decided to appoint him to a position of power; he seized it through force. The people advising Hindenburg could’ve learned just by reading Mein Kampf that Hitler was insane and would plunge Europe and Germany into another disastrous war, but in their hubris they thought they could control him. I’m hoping we don’t have to find out whether or not electing Trump President will turn out to be an even worse decision.

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Teukka  Apr 30, 2016 • 10:59:05am

re: #138 Big Beautiful Door

Mao certainly killed a lot of people, but no-one actually decided to appoint him to a position of power; he seized it through force. The people advising Hindenburg could’ve learned just by reading Mein Kampf that Hitler was insane and would plunge Europe and Germany into another disastrous war, but in their hubris they thought they could control him. I’m hoping we don’t have to find out whether or not electing Trump President will turn out to be an even worse decision.

My fear is that things may go sideways just by him winning the election, not actually getting sworn in. Like, some country he’s alienated decides not to take chances if he wins.

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ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:01:44am

re: #128 jaunte

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“Never Tru… well, okay, Trump.”

So, when will Mitt come out and say he was mistaken and Trump would be a better president that he could have ever been?

“And Donald, I hope you forgive me, I was trying to be a party man. I now realize you are a representation of the party going forward, and damn I wish I would have noticed it sooner as I might have been able to defeat that Blah Muslim that is sitting at MY desk!”

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ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:02:27am

re: #129 Big Beautiful Door

As best as I can determine, the decision to make Hitler Chancellor of Germany was literally the worst decision in the history of the world.

So far…

We may be on pace to see if it can be topped.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:04:55am

re: #138 Big Beautiful Door

Mao certainly killed a lot of people, but no-one actually decided to appoint him to a position of power; he seized it through force. The people advising Hindenburg could’ve learned just by reading Mein Kampf that Hitler was insane and would plunge Europe and Germany into another disastrous war, but in their hubris they thought they could control him. I’m hoping we don’t have to find out whether or not electing Trump President will turn out to be an even worse decision.

That it was another disastrous war was the result of the first disastrous war (and don’t forget more fallout like the Russian Revolution—at least the Bolshevik takeover—and therefore the Cold War, Viet Nam War, etc., etc.)

This was all the result of the decision on the part of the Allies to accept the Serbian government’s ridiculous story that they had nothing to do with the assassination squad they sent to Sarajevo, and stand behind “poor little Serbia” against the big, bad Austrians.

Or maybe the wrong turn Franz Ferdinand’s driver made was the worst decision in history….

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:05:55am

re: #139 Teukka

My fear is that things may go sideways just by him winning the election, not actually getting sworn in. Like, some country he’s alienated decides not to take chances if he wins.

Well there isn’t any country in the world actually in a position to stop him, except possibly Russia, and I think Putin is actually rooting for his fellow oligarch.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:07:10am

re: #143 Big Beautiful Door

Well there isn’t any country in the world actually in a position to stop him, except possibly Russia, and I think Putin is actually rooting for his fellow oligarch.

I think the implication was that Trump might be personally targeted by covert uniformed forces of another nation-state.

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ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:07:26am

re: #137 Big Beautiful Door

There has never been an age in which it was easier for assholes to be heard. Heck, if you are a white supremacist, all you have to do is tweet the Donald, and there is an excellent chance he will retweet you to millions of his followers.

Too true. And it happens in minutes. It also factors into this election big time.

Edit…that was strange. I didn’t get a proper space in between ‘minutes’ and ‘it’ and displayed a link that goes to a page saying the domain is for sale.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:09:35am
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Teukka  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:09:54am

re: #144 Testy Toad T

I think the implication was that Trump might be personally targeted by covert uniformed forces of another nation-state.

Exactly. At which point the fecal matter impacts the air distribution apparatus.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:10:49am

re: #146 Charles Johnson

Ain’t nothing more hateful than, uh, quoting people.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:12:03am

re: #146 Charles Johnson

They don’t want anyone looking at who else is “on their team.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:12:26am

re: #148 Testy Toad T

Ain’t nothing more hateful than, uh, quoting people.

Remember, this comes from the same side of the political spectrum that produced “Anyone who quotes me is lying”.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:13:34am

re: #144 Testy Toad T

I think the implication was that Trump might be personally targeted by covert uniformed forces of another nation-state.

Well that’s what we have the Secret Service for. After Obama, protecting Trump should be a breeze.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:14:21am

re: #150 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember, this comes from the same side of the political spectrum that produced “Anyone who quotes me is lying”.

Never gets old:

“Any ad which quotes what I said Sunday is a falsehood.”

—Newt Gingrich

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:15:12am

Why do you hate white supremacists?

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ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:15:49am

re: #146 Charles Johnson

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Did you happen to catch Chris Hayes’ interview and piece he did on all this? It was pretty good.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:17:52am

re: #142 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I am not an unbiased observer in regards to Serbia, having read the history of the past 100 years, but that driver getting lost in Sarajevo 102 years ago has caused more deaths than can completely comprehended through the Butterfly Effect.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:22:36am

Notify NC Team Trump!

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ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:24:42am

re: #156 jaunte

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Notify NC Team Trump!

So Bristol and her mommy are liberals? Who knew?

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:24:56am

re: #156 jaunte

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Notify NC Team Trump!

‘It’s a liberal plot to make us look stupid. Get them!’

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Jayleia  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:24:57am

From our neighbors over at Balloon Juice, putting Bernie’s future in words many millennials can understand…

houstonpress.com

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:25:27am

re: #75 Alyosha

I’m so hipster, I’m going to rally for Stalin, that way everyone will know Trotsky was always the better choice when the counter-revolution comes.

Time to mix some Molotov cocktails?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:29:13am

re: #155 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am not an unbiased observer in regards to Serbia, having read the history of the past 100 years, but that driver getting lost in Sarajevo 102 years ago has caused more deaths than can completely comprehended through the Butterfly Effect.

My reading of the runup to WWI tells me it would have made little difference. When everyone wants a war, when everyone expects a quick, easy, decisive victory, war will come. Sarajevo was just the excuse.

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:32:26am

re: #82 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Nearly everyone outside the USA sees Trump as a buffoon and blowhard. Can you imagine him addressing the UN, the G20, or some other international body?

John Bolton was the warmup.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:33:46am

re: #162 BeenHereAwhile

John Bolton was the warmup.

Yeah, seriously. Bolton was worse than Trump. Hey—possible VP choice….

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:34:42am

re: #163 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, seriously. Bolton was worse than Trump. Hey—possible VP choice….

Geller as an advisor…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:36:10am

Anyone else notice that the people who claim that Islam is all about control and domination believe their own religion is all about control and domination?

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Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:36:11am

re: #163 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, seriously. Bolton was worse than Trump. Hey—possible VP choice….

Bolton probably isn’t sycophantic enough for Trump’s liking.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:37:42am

re: #163 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, seriously. Bolton was worse than Trump. Hey—possible VP choice….

Fuckface von Clownstick and Crazy von Muoustache 2016!
You only THINK Cthulu is the greatest evil.

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:37:44am

Anybody who wears a bow tie has to be harmless, right?

Right?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:39:38am

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

I wonder how history would have gone if Abdulmecid I of the Ottoman Empire had not contracted Tuberculosis. He started the Tanzimat, and was competent, and fairly good ruler.

I think he might, had he not died at 38 (!?!) have been able to reform the Ottoman Empire into a state that would have survived to the present day.

It was Abdulhamid II, one of the greatest monsters to come out of the Muslim World before 1923 (Along with Aurangzeb and the Mad Caliph Al-Hakim) fatally injured the Ottoman Empire. He gained two names because of his actions. The Red Sultan, and Abdul the Damned. I am fairly sure (~95%) that the last one is true. Abdulhamid II was a monster. Cannot say that enough.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:41:41am

re: #169 Ziggy_TARDIS

I wonder how history would have gone if Abdulmecid I of the Ottoman Empire had not contracted Tuberculosis. He started the Tanzimat, and was competent, and fairly good ruler.

I think he might, had he not died at 38 (!?!) have been able to reform the Ottoman Empire into a state that would have survived to the present day.

It was Abdulhamid II, one of the greatest monsters to come out of the Muslim World before 1923 (Along with Aurangzeb and the Mad Caliph Al-Hakim) fatally injured the Ottoman Empire. He gained two names because of his actions. The Red Sultan, and Abdul the Damned. I am fairly sure (~95%) that the last one is true. Abdulhamid II was a monster. Cannot say that enough.

Maybe. WWI swept away four major dynasties.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:42:14am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:42:59am

re: #171 CuriousLurker

That’s its wheelbarrow now.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:45:02am

re: #171 CuriousLurker

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My mom had a cat that would get the wheelbarrow, ride around in it, and smack at the dog if he came too close to it.

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:45:16am

re: #113 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Morning Lizards. Ironically, getting up every two hours, I may have gotten more sleep than my Fitbit normally thinks I get. Fortunately it has been effective so far managing her pain, so it’s been worth it.

There’s an amazing number of nerves and nerve endings concentrated in human hands.

Which makes pain management of hand injuries problematic.

Had a (not as serious) hand injury, and was amazed at the amount of pain control medication prescribed.

I was lucky and didn’t need to take all of them.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:46:30am

re: #170 Big Beautiful Door

But not all of them. The British Survived.

And Abdulmecid was modeling his reforms on trying make the Ottomans look and act like the the British and French.

I do think a hypothetical timeline in which Addulmecid survived to, say, 75-80 years old (Died in 1898-1903), the Ottomans would have been a neutral power. Better off power-wise than in reality, but still a little to feeble to really get involved, at least until the bitter end.

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ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:47:07am

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

My reading of the runup to WWI tells me it would have made little difference. When everyone wants a war, when everyone expects a quick, easy, decisive victory, war will come. Sarajevo was just the excuse.

You also just described the thinking around the War in Iraq.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:48:08am

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

France was still very, very grumpy about losing Alsace-Lorraine. A Franco-German war would have happened eventually.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:49:28am

re: #176 ObserverArt

You also just described the thinking around the War in Iraq.

And similarly, there was perceived to be very little risk of making things uncontrollably worse, either at home or abroad.

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Nyet  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:53:59am

The Trump faction (as per above) is also the Jill Stein faction:

caucus99percent.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:54:57am

re: #169 Ziggy_TARDIS

I wonder how history would have gone if Abdulmecid I of the Ottoman Empire had not contracted Tuberculosis. He started the Tanzimat, and was competent, and fairly good ruler.

I think he might, had he not died at 38 (!?!) have been able to reform the Ottoman Empire into a state that would have survived to the present day.

It was Abdulhamid II, one of the greatest monsters to come out of the Muslim World before 1923 (Along with Aurangzeb and the Mad Caliph Al-Hakim) fatally injured the Ottoman Empire. He gained two names because of his actions. The Red Sultan, and Abdul the Damned. I am fairly sure (~95%) that the last one is true. Abdulhamid II was a monster. Cannot say that enough.

There are those who see history as a series of Key Individuals who drive events, and those that see it as a series of movements which largely would have happened without those individuals. One can argue endlessly about this, and people do, but in the end you can’t really KNOW. Personally, I think it’s a combination.

For example, the dynasties that fell - one could reasonably argue that they’d not have lasted in any case, that monarchy’s time had passed, that it’s incompatible with the modern world. Even the British monarchy and aristocracy really only survived as symbols of British history. That fall left a vacuum in countries with no democratic traditions, so you get Fascism and Communism, which would inevitably collide, since both are expansionist ideologies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:55:56am

re: #176 ObserverArt

You also just described the thinking around the War in Iraq.

Very much so.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:59:02am

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

There are those who see history as a series of Key Individuals who drive events, and those that see it as a series of movements which largely would have happened without those individuals. One can argue endlessly about this, and people do, but in the end you can’t really KNOW. Personally, I think it’s a combination.

For example, the dynasties that fell - one could reasonably argue that they’d not have lasted in any case, that monarchy’s time had passed, that it’s incompatible with the modern world. Even the British monarchy and aristocracy really only survived as symbols of British history. That fall left a vacuum in countries with no democratic traditions, so you get Fascism and Communism, which would inevitably collide, since both are expansionist ideologies.

There undoubtedly would have been a Russian Revolution, to name one, but something resembling the Provisional Government could have remained in power. The only thing that enabled the Bolshevik takeover was the PG’s insistence on remaining in the war. No war, no October Revolution.

IMO.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 30, 2016 • 11:59:29am

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

I also think it is a combination too.

The thing is, Abdulmecid’s successor was nowhere near as competent, Murad V was very weak willed, and Abdulhamid II was flat out evil. If there had been some to steer the boat better so to speak, things may have turned out better.

To use a Titanic Analogy, less Captain Smith, more Captain Rostron.

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ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:00:31pm

re: #178 Testy Toad T

And similarly, there was perceived to be very little risk of making things uncontrollably worse, either at home or abroad.

I’m far from a historian especially about wars. I wonder how much all of this figures into wars all through out time?

Time may pass…but overall humans often don’t advanced their basic thinking. And to my thinking war is near the top of the list of stuff we never seem to learn.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:03:15pm

re: #184 ObserverArt

I’m far from a historian especially about wars. I wonder how much all of this figures into wars all through out time?

Time may pass…but overall humans often don’t advanced their basic thinking. And to my thinking war is near the top of the list of stuff we never seem to learn.

IMO, a lot of that comes from Tribalism, which I think is part of our genome, not just our culture. I

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:03:58pm
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:05:07pm

re: #182 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There undoubtedly would have been a Russian Revolution, to name one, but something resembling the Provisional Government could have remained in power. The only thing that enabled the Bolshevik takeover was the PG’s insistence on remaining in the war. No war, no October Revolution.

IMO.

I tend to agree. Had Kerensky and the PG pulled Russia out of WWI, the Germans likely wouldn’t have taken the gambit of packing Lenin off to Russia to stir things up.

With Russia out of the war, there’s no need for Lenin, who would’ve remained in Switzerland in exile…..no Lenin, no Bolshevik Revolution.

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:05:10pm

Upding for taint gremlins.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:05:14pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

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Yep.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:05:36pm

re: #185 Blind Frog Belly White

I should clarify that I don’t think that means it’s inevitable. What it is, is a default. It’s what we do unthinkingly, so it’s always lurking in the wings waiting for uncertain times. Look how much worse racism and nativism get when the economy is sour, or when people feel under physical threat.

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allegro  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:05:50pm

re: #184 ObserverArt

I’m far from a historian especially about wars. I wonder how much all of this figures into wars all through out time?

Time may pass…but overall humans often don’t advanced their basic thinking. And to my thinking war is near the top of the list of stuff we never seem to learn.

When I was a little kid, WWII effects still loomed pretty large and was often a topic of conversation between my parents and other adults. I remember when they explained to me what war was when I was maybe 4 or 5 years old, basically people killing each other and blowing shit up. My response: that’s stupid. Made no sense to me at all. They said, yeah it is stupid but you’ll understand when you grow up.

I may be growed up but I still think it’s stupid and makes no sense.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:09:14pm

re: #191 allegro

When I was a little kid, WWII effects still loomed pretty large and was often a topic of conversation between my parents and other adults. I remember when they explained to me what war was when I was maybe 4 or 5 years old, basically people killing each other and blowing shit up. My response: that’s stupid. Made no sense to me at all. They said, yeah it is stupid but you’ll understand when you grow up.

I may be growed up but I still think it’s stupid and makes no sense.

Edwin Starr - War (What is it good for) + Lycris HQ!!

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allegro  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:10:10pm

re: #192 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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Yeah that!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:10:14pm

re: #191 allegro

When I was a little kid, WWII effects still loomed pretty large and was often a topic of conversation between my parents and other adults. I remember when they explained to me what war was when I was maybe 4 or 5 years old, basically people killing each other and blowing shit up. My response: that’s stupid. Made no sense to me at all. They said, yeah it is stupid but you’ll understand when you grow up.

I may be growed up but I still think it’s stupid and makes no sense.

It’s a funny thing, war. You can point to so many where the cause was pointless and stupid - WWI, Spanish American war, etc. But then there are wars that birthed the modern world - American Revolution, Civil War, WWII. How different would history be without them?

More counterfactuals. As a scientist I have not the patience for untestable hypotheses.

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ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:18:30pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

There are those who see history as a series of Key Individuals who drive events, and those that see it as a series of movements which largely would have happened without those individuals. One can argue endlessly about this, and people do, but in the end you can’t really KNOW. Personally, I think it’s a combination.

For example, the dynasties that fell - one could reasonably argue that they’d not have lasted in any case, that monarchy’s time had passed, that it’s incompatible with the modern world. Even the British monarchy and aristocracy really only survived as symbols of British history. That fall left a vacuum in countries with no democratic traditions, so you get Fascism and Communism, which would inevitably collide, since both are expansionist ideologies.

I believe the movement you speak of is like the makings of a bomb. Apart all the individual elements are relatively benign. Start mixing them together and they become more and more capable of increasing levels of explosive power. At that point, even though they present a problem but are still not causing real damage and can still be diffused. The diffusion comes from a decision of either the maker or those charged to end the ability of the bomb to be a further danger.

It gets out of control when someone decides they are going to push the button and use the power.

You always need the person or group that decides they are going to push that button. That is where history often focuses and why it seems to fall on the individual or the small group responsible,

But the bomb is still a collective and there are many decisions and undertakings over time to get it to the point where the person or group actually has something to blow up.

This is why at this time Trump has the potential to be very dangerous. The bomb is in many ways being built or is built depending on view. And Trump, wittingly or not, may be enough to push the button or signal to the group to push it.

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ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:22:02pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

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Godamn Frank…

You have a way with words.

My Catholic education prevents me from similar expression. I know those words and phrases exist, but to use them was beaten out of me!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:23:07pm

re: #192 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

This song needs to be translated into every language and be broadcasted at the same time on World Peace Day (or its equivalent.)

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ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:25:28pm

re: #191 allegro

When I was a little kid, WWII effects still loomed pretty large and was often a topic of conversation between my parents and other adults. I remember when they explained to me what war was when I was maybe 4 or 5 years old, basically people killing each other and blowing shit up. My response: that’s stupid. Made no sense to me at all. They said, yeah it is stupid but you’ll understand when you grow up.

I may be growed up but I still think it’s stupid and makes no sense.

Same experience. I was born in ‘54…but my oldest brother was born in ‘40. So I heard all about those experiences from my parents and from him as a kid.

I got the extra treatment of having parents that didn’t marry young, so I also heard all about The Depression era too.

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allegro  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:27:51pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s a funny thing, war. You can point to so many where the cause was pointless and stupid - WWI, Spanish American war, etc. But then there are wars that birthed the modern world - American Revolution, Civil War, WWII. How different would history be without them?

More counterfactuals. As a scientist I have not the patience for untestable hypotheses.

I’m not so naive to think diplomacy will always work. It requires good faith compromise between individuals committed to accomplishing their goals in a peaceful manner. Watching just our own battles politically at the moment makes that kinda laughable. It is still important enough to me to know that diplomacy is always the first, second, third… endless choice of whomever who wants my vote. It isn’t just lip service either, but someone who demonstrates the maturity and steadiness to keep plugging away regardless of the temptation to just bomb the bastards.

This right here is one reason I will not vote for any Republican. Also why I can’t take Sanders seriously. I know he preaches peace but I can’t see him compromising anything or being calm in the face of a storm to mediate as necessary.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:29:19pm

LOL

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:29:39pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

More counterfactuals. As a scientist I have not the patience for untestable hypotheses.

That’s Niall Ferguson’s stock-in-trade: without it, he’s just be another poor lame-ass Scottish Tory pundit. Instead, he’s teaching quasi-impressionable young minds at Harvard (God only knows why.)

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:33:46pm

re: #200 CuriousLurker

LOL

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Big dogs are such wimps.
XD

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:49:31pm

re: #174 BeenHereAwhile

There’s an amazing number of nerves and nerve endings concentrated in human hands.

Which makes pain management of hand injuries problematic.

Had a (not as serious) hand injury, and was amazed at the amount of pain control medication prescribed.

I was lucky and didn’t need to take all of them.

The nurse was very clear that through Sunday evening/Monday morning should be the worst of it, so we’re being hyper-vigilant right now in favor of staying on top of it, and hopefully will be able to cut it back significantly at that point. On the 1-10 scale, she was at an 8 immediately after the surgery, and with all the meds we’re managing to keep it in the 1-3 range. (Depends on how close the Norco is to wearing off.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2016 • 12:56:36pm

re: #201 Eric The Fruit Bat

That’s Niall Ferguson’s stock-in-trade: without it, he’s just be another poor lame-ass Scottish Tory pundit. Instead, he’s teaching quasi-impressionable young minds at Harvard (God only knows why.)

Yeah, but what would have happened if he didn’t have that position?
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