Anti-Choice Fraudster David Daleiden and Accomplice Reject Probation Plea Deals

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Anti-choice fraudster David Daleiden and co-conspirator Sandra Merritt have both now officially rejected plea deals that would have let them avoid possible prison sentences.

HOUSTON (AP) — Two anti-abortion activists indicted in connection with making undercover Planned Parenthood videos are rejecting plea deals offering them probation.

Sandra Merritt’s attorneys said Friday she won’t settle the case through pretrial diversion, a form of probation that would keep her out of prison and ultimately have the charges dismissed. Attorneys for fellow activist David Daleiden had previously rejected the offer.

Daleiden and Merritt each face a felony charge of tampering with a governmental record for allegedly using a fake driver’s license to conceal their identities while dealing with Planned Parenthood. Daleiden also faces a misdemeanor count related to purchasing human organs.

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132 comments

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Chez Ko Pe  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:28:06pm

Excellent! They’ve got Chuck Cee Jay’s “I cannot lose” delusion going on. Please let there be video of their faces when the sentences come down.

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:28:57pm

Good. Let them rot in prison.

While they may garner sympathy for their anti-abortion bullshit, they forged government documents. They’re not going to slide on that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:29:33pm

They really want those martyr cookies don’t they?

I can’t imagine a lawyer telling them not to take a deal but then again there are some really shitty lawyers out there.

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stpaulbear  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:30:35pm

They’re the Berniebros of anti-choice.

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jaunte  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:30:57pm

When your attorneys aren’t really your attorneys.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:32:06pm

To be fair if they’d accepted the Texas plea deals California would have turned around and fucked them with those admissions. I mean they’re fucked either way but it’s not like they really would have spared themselves jail time by accepting.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:35:14pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:36:36pm

Good evening Fellow Lizards. TGIF. Unfortunately it’s back to Downtown L.A. on Monday *sigh*

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:37:06pm

re: #8 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Good evening Fellow Lizards. TGIF. Unfortunately it’s back to Downtown L.A. on Monday *sigh*

Can’t wait for a full report.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:39:17pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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He really wishes he could have hung out with Hitler doesn’t he?

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TedStriker  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:45:12pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

To be fair if they’d accepted the Texas plea deals California would have turned around and fucked them with those admissions. I mean they’re fucked either way but it’s not like they really would have spared themselves jail time by accepting.

Also, by not taking the TX deals and going to trial, Daleiden and accomplice seem to be banking on Abbott pardoning them after conviction.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:47:28pm

Now it depends if sentencing is handled by the judge or the jury when the trial commences-and we know Abbott will pardon his ass anyway.

California will still be where Daleiden meets his maker.

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b.d.  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:47:57pm

Thanks to Governor Ma Ferguson selling pardons, Greg Abbot has to go through a pardon and parole board now before he can pardon someone.

Sorry David, enjoy your stay.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:48:17pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:49:06pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:52:22pm

re: #9 MsJ

Can’t wait for a full report.

when all is said and done I will page the experience :)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:53:06pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

@safety is a bot. I’m not convinced real people look at offensive tweets until complaints reach N => 6.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:53:21pm

re: #11 TedStriker

Also, by not taking the TX deals and going to trial, Daleiden and accomplice seem to be banking on Abbott pardoning them after conviction.

Oh that is precisely what will happen. We know that Abbot is going to pardon them. Then they will use that to mount a “double jeopardy”challenge to anything California would try.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:56:31pm

re: #13 b.d.

Pray tell….

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No Depression  Apr 29, 2016 • 6:58:56pm

re: #13 b.d.

Thanks to Governor Ma Ferguson selling pardons, Greg Abbot has to go through a pardon and parole board now before he can pardon someone.

Sorry David, enjoy your stay.

Just looked her up to understand your reference. Pretty interesting (and controversial) woman. I can see a couple of parallels between her and Hillary Clinton: the wife of a governor who ran for the office herself and won, but dealt with her fair share of innuendo of corrupt dealings.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:00:36pm

re: #13 b.d.

THank you, Wikipedia:

In 1936, voters passed an amendment to the state constitution stripping the governor of the power to issue pardons and granting that power to a politically independent Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles (see Capital punishment in Texas).[9]

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b.d.  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:01:39pm

re: #19 Eric The Fruit Bat

Pray tell….

Ya see.. Governor Pa Fergson got impeached with a stipulation that he also never hold public elected office ever again.

What to do? What to do?

Pa’s wife, Ma Ferguson, ran for governor and won.

Ma was accused of all sorts of stuff that she probably did, one of those things was selling pardons which made the state enact this rule:

The Texas Constitution gives the Governor the power to grant pardons, except in cases of treason and impeachment.

However, the Governor cannot act alone.

Before he/she grants a pardon, he/she must get a written recommendation from a majority of the members of the Board of Pardons and Paroles

pardon411.com

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Dave In Austin  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:06:54pm

Bill has such good material tonite

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No Depression  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:07:38pm

re: #22 b.d.

Ya see.. Governor Pa Fergson got impeached with a stipulation that he also never hold public elected office ever again.

What to do? What to do?

Pa’s wife, Ma Ferguson, ran for governor and won.

Ma was accused of all sorts of stuff that she probably did, one of those things was selling pardons which made the state enact this rule:

pardon411.com

I’d like to believe that she handed out those pardons just because she thought Prohibition was bullshit and decided to do something about it. But it probably was just for her own personal gain.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:07:41pm

re: #17 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

@safety is a bot. I’m not convinced real people look at offensive tweets until complaints reach N => 6.

I know. Just making a point.

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b.d.  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:09:31pm

re: #24 No Depression

I’d like to believe that she handed out those pardons just because she thought Prohibition was bullshit and decided to do so something about it. But it probably was for her own personal gain.

It was probably a bit from Column A and a little bit from Column B.

Texas history sure is a colorful minefield.

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b.d.  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:10:06pm

re: #23 Dave In Austin

Bill has such good material tonite

Thanks, I forgot I re-upped it for GoT last week!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:10:44pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:12:41pm

re: #22 b.d.

< twang >
Yeppers-when you said Ma Ferguson I went to dat dere fancy wikipedia and it told me what I sussed out.

Much obliged to ya.
< / twang >

(I hope Daliden looks good in orange…..)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:13:30pm

Good evening Lizards. This afternoon’s walk was a visit to the Philadelphia Zoo that took place between rain showers. (Got rained on walking out to it, and again while walking back.) So now I have a nice supply of photos to work through and I can pop an image into a comment now and then for the rest of the evening.

Dogwood bloom close-up
Flamingo caucus
What’s a zoo trip without giraffes?
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b.d.  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:15:57pm

re: #29 Eric The Fruit Bat

< twang >
Yeppers-when you said Ma Ferguson I went to dat dere fancy wikipedia and it told me what I sussed out.

Much obliged to ya.
< / twang >

:)

When you take Texas history in school they kind of mumble a lot after loudly saying that Texas elected their 1st female governor in 1924

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:16:16pm

re: #30 Feline Fearless Leader

The flamingos must be Florida Republicans discussing the GOP candidates. The one with the open beak looks alarmed.

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Reality Based Steve  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:20:10pm

re: #32 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The flamingos must be Florida Republicans discussing the GOP candidates. The one with the open beak looks alarmed.

Concerned Flamingo is concerned.

RBS

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ObserverArt  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:21:09pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

They really want those martyr cookies don’t they?

I can’t imagine a lawyer telling them not to take a deal but then again there are some really shitty lawyers out there.

Are their lawyers also pro-lifers? These people all sound like true believers.

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b.d.  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:22:13pm

re: #30 Feline Fearless Leader

Good evening Lizards. This afternoon’s walk was a visit to the Philadelphia Zoo that took place between rain showers. (Got rained on walking out to it, and again while walking back.) So now I have a nice supply of photos to work through and I can pop an image into a comment now and then for the rest of the evening.

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Great shots. Good zoo? The only thing that gets to me about zoos is the overabundance of human young around, hopefully it wasn’t too crowded during the week?

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makeitstop  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:22:27pm

re: #30 Feline Fearless Leader

Good evening Lizards. This afternoon’s walk was a visit to the Philadelphia Zoo that took place between rain showers. (Got rained on walking out to it, and again while walking back.) So now I have a nice supply of photos to work through and I can pop an image into a comment now and then for the rest of the evening.

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You hit both of my wife’s favorite animals - flamingos and giraffes. She loved the pics!

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:22:36pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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b.d.  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:23:40pm

Maher nailed it.

Don’t you dare say that Hillary v. Trump will result in a Dem. landslide. Never underestimate how stupid this country can be.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:24:19pm

New way to call The Donald:

Hair Furor

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:26:15pm

re: #38 b.d.

Maher nailed it.

Don’t you dare say that Hillary v. Trump will result in a Dem. landslide. Never underestimate how stupid this country can be.

Hispanics, African-Americans and women would have to be pretty damn stupid to vote for a guy who hates them. I can’t see it.

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:26:54pm

re: #36 makeitstop

You hit both of my wife’s favorite animals - flamingos and giraffes. She loved the pics!

Everything is better with giraffes.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:29:14pm

re: #39 Eric The Fruit Bat

New way to call The Donald:

Hair Furor

When der Donald says we is de master race / We heil heil right in der Donald’s face / Not to love der Donald is a great disgrace / So we heil heil right in der Donald’s face
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:31:19pm

re: #40 Big Beautiful Door

Hispanics, African-Americans and women would have to be pretty damn stupid to vote for a guy who hates them. I can’t see it.

Voter suppression is going to hit the first two groups hard, but among women I think he’s basically going to get the crazification factor—and more women vote than men—so I’m cautiously optimistic.

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No Depression  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:31:36pm

re: #40 Big Beautiful Door

Hispanics, African-Americans and women would have to be pretty damn stupid to vote for a guy who hates them. I can’t see it.

You’re probably right. But I’m not going to dismiss the possibility of a President Trump until Hillary Rodham Clinton is the President-Elect.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:32:53pm

re: #35 b.d.

Great shots. Good zoo? The only thing that gets to me about zoos is the overabundance of human young around, hopefully it wasn’t too crowded during the week?

Nice size for doing a two hour walk through. No elephants, but that doesn’t make/break a zoo for me. Mix of animals* beyond that, informative descriptions, and quite a bit on conservation and how the various animals depend on their environments. There is also a whole sky-way network for a lot of the animals to use to go between areas.

Not ideal weather since it was cool, overcast, and damp - which I think kept a bunch of animals inside.

I went today to avoid crowds, and it was a couple of school groups providing the thongs of human young. Only a problem at a few exhibits.

* - Generally has a few of each representative type, but generally not a lot of large animals in a given type. For example, two bear species, not six. And so on. A decent reptile house for the size, usually small specimens beyond some of the alligator/crocodiles.

Featherless boa
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b.d.  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:33:19pm

re: #40 Big Beautiful Door

Hispanics, African-Americans and women would have to be pretty damn stupid to vote for a guy who hates them. I can’t see it.

Never underestimate the power of a made up scandal

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Mattand  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:33:53pm

re: #30 Feline Fearless Leader

Good evening Lizards. This afternoon’s walk was a visit to the Philadelphia Zoo that took place between rain showers. (Got rained on walking out to it, and again while walking back.) So now I have a nice supply of photos to work through and I can pop an image into a comment now and then for the rest of the evening.

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You walked to the Zoo? The only route that’s springing to mind goes through some dicey neighborhoods.

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:34:10pm

re: #43 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Voter suppression is going to hit the first two groups hard, but among women I think he’s basically going to get the crazification factor—and more women vote than men—so I’m cautiously optimistic.

That’s why I hate when anyone says it’s going to be a runaway for Clinton. The only thing that does is ensure too many people won’t “waste their time” voting. Because that’s all “sure things” do.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:35:13pm

re: #41 MsJ

Everything is better with giraffes.

When in doubt, add penguins!
Cuteness Attack!
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Belafon  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:35:20pm

re: #38 b.d.

Maher nailed it.

Don’t you dare say that Hillary v. Trump will result in a Dem. landslide. Never underestimate how stupid this country can be.

Democrats need to be a little less defensive this election. We’re going to win unless we do something stupid, like not keep fighting. We’re not in a come from behind position. I think people will be more motivated if we acknowledge that the future of the country is going to be decided by the Democratic coalition of whites and minorities, decide it’s a good position to fight from, and go from there.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:37:34pm

re: #48 MsJ

That’s why I hate when anyone says it’s going to be a runaway for Clinton. The only thing that does is ensure too many people won’t “waste their time” voting. Because that’s all “sure things” do.

Rassmussen has released a likely-voter poll that shows Trump and HRC in a tie. Rassmussen is a problem source, but it has already been blended into RCP’s aggregate.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:37:50pm

re: #47 Mattand

You walked to the Zoo? The only route that’s springing to mind goes through some dicey neighborhoods.

Up to the Art Museum, crossed the river on Spring Garden and walked along MLK to Girard. Came back by walking down Girard and then cut down 29th St to Pennsylvania. Followed Pennsylvania down to the Ben Franklin and then home via 20th St.

Fitbit credited me with 8 miles for the whole loop.

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:40:22pm

re: #49 Feline Fearless Leader

Did you forget about me? I’m cute, too!
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Mattand  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:41:02pm

re: #52 Feline Fearless Leader

Up to the Art Museum, crossed the river on Spring Garden and walked along MLK to Girard. Came back by walking down Girard and then cut down 29th St to Pennsylvania. Followed Pennsylvania down to the Ben Franklin and then home via 20th St.

Fitbit credited me with 8 miles for the whole loop.

Big duh on my part. I utterly forgot about that, which is doubly stupid since I biked past where you turned off last week.

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stpaulbear  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:41:45pm

re: #48 MsJ

That’s why I hate when anyone says it’s going to be a runaway for Clinton. The only thing that does is ensure too many people won’t “waste their time” voting. Because that’s all “sure things” do.

I can still remember waking up to Governor Ventura. Nobody could believe it, especially Jesse. He got humble just out of shock for a while, but about 2 1/2 years into his term, he just kind of decided to fuck it. No-fucks-to-give Jesse was a drag.

Trump isn’t going to waste time being humble. He’s going to be king right out of the box.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:41:58pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Rassmussen has released a likely-voter poll that shows Trump and HRC in a tie. Rassmussen is a problem source, but it has already been blended into RCP’s aggregate.

I don’t trust most polls, especially not Rass. To me the only thing that matters is what happens on election day and this election is turning out to be the most important in my life time.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:42:46pm

re: #53 MsJ

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Otter

Otter photos were not so good. Glass was smeared, small crowd of people watching them who had the good spots and showed no intention to move, etc. And not easy to get photo since they were moving about a lot.

There were 4-5 playing and chasing each other into and out of the water. Fun to watch, but hard to photograph.

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Mattand  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:44:38pm

re: #48 MsJ

That’s why I hate when anyone says it’s going to be a runaway for Clinton. The only thing that does is ensure too many people won’t “waste their time” voting. Because that’s all “sure things” do.

Shit, we have to get through the convention in Philly first. With Sanders pretty much signaling he’s going to go the Heath Ledger’s Joker route, things could potentially be as bad or worse than Cleveland.

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Billy Batts  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:45:17pm

To those that say elections don’t matter, I have only two words- Supreme Court.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:45:41pm

re: #59 Billy Batts

To those that say elections don’t matter, I have only two words- Supreme Court.

especially this year.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:46:29pm

re: #56 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I don’t trust most polls, especially not Rass. To me the only thing that matters is what happens on election day and this election is turning out to be the most important in my life time.

I always skew Rassmussen a couple points left early in the campaign. They ‘refine’ their models to come up with reasonable numbers as the election nears. IIRC, Nate Silver doesn’t dismiss them out of hand, though that might have been before the new management.

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Billy Batts  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:46:33pm

re: #60 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

especially this year.

Exactly. It’s my number one issue and nothing else comes close. No. More. Scalias.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:46:48pm
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b.d.  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:47:20pm

re: #59 Billy Batts

To those that say elections don’t matter, I have only two words- Supreme Court.

If Hillary wins they’ll wait for the people to decide in 2020.

//

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:47:27pm

Not as much dough to be made with a plea deal. Fight the good fight for more rube cashola.

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Belafon  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:48:06pm

re: #63 De Kolta Chair

I’m assuming that house is in South America now.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:48:09pm

re: #8 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Good evening Fellow Lizards. TGIF. Unfortunately it’s back to Downtown L.A. on Monday *sigh*

Without saying a damn thing. Is it interesting?

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:48:13pm

re: #54 Mattand

Big duh on my part. I utterly forgot about that, which is doubly stupid since I biked past where you turned off last week.

You udderly forgot?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:48:35pm

re: #64 b.d.

If Hillary wins they’ll wait for the people to decide in 202024.

//

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stpaulbear  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:48:37pm

re: #58 Mattand

Shit, we have to get through the convention in Philly first. With Sanders pretty much signaling he’s going to go the Heath Ledger’s Joker route, things could potentially be as bad or worse than Cleveland.

I don’t think that Sanders is going to be in a position of power by then. It’s pretty much over for him now. Bernie’s going to make his demands and Hillz is going to say ‘Sure, whatever’ and it will be over.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:48:45pm

re: #43 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Voter suppression is going to hit the first two groups hard, but among women I think he’s basically going to get the crazification factor—and more women vote than men—so I’m cautiously optimistic.

I disagree; I think Hispanics will jump throw all the hoops the GOP tries to put up to stop them in order to vote against Trump.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:49:00pm

re: #56 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I don’t trust most polls, especially not Rass. To me the only thing that matters is what happens on election day and this election is turning out to be the most important in my life time.

I am getting tired of sweating out the possibility of a civilization-destroying catastrophe every four fucking years. I’ve lived through three double-zeros—1968, 1980, and 2000, and “I’m too old for this shit!”

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:50:22pm

re: #44 No Depression

You’re probably right. But I’m not going to dismiss the possibility of a President Trump until Hillary Rodham Clinton is the President-Elect.

Just to be clear that I’m not suggesting that Democrats don’t have to get out the vote. I fully expect them to; I believe the Trump factor will drive record turnout.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:51:12pm

re: #54 Mattand

Big duh on my part. I utterly forgot about that, which is doubly stupid since I biked past where you turned off last week.

I forgot to check if there were any decent bike racks in the area. Would prefer to bike over there as compared to walking if I do a follow-up visit.

And the Spring Garden - MLK route is probably the best way to get up into West Fairmount Park as well.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:51:36pm

re: #46 b.d.

Never underestimate the power of a made up scandal

The GOP threw every “scandal” they could imagine at Obama two elections in a row.

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:51:59pm

re: #58 Mattand

Shit, we have to get through the convention in Philly first. With Sanders pretty much signaling he’s going to go the Heath Ledger’s Joker route, things could potentially be as bad or worse than Cleveland.

I’m hoping the link Charles posted above will keep Bernie and Jane busy. Maybe Bernie can find that he needs to “spend more time with the family”.

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Belafon  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:53:47pm

re: #76 MsJ

I’m hoping the link Charles posted above will keep Bernie and Jane busy. Maybe Bernie can find that he needs to “spend more time with the family”.

I’m hoping he gives a rousing speech at the convention and talks about all the things that need to be fought for and how Clinton will do a good job. Like other candidates such as Clinton have done in previous conventions.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:53:58pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Rassmussen has released a likely-voter poll that shows Trump and HRC in a tie. Rassmussen is a problem source, but it has already been blended into RCP’s aggregate.

And with that outlier added, Clinton still leads by 7.3 points in the RCP average.

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retired cynic  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:54:41pm

re: #78 Big Beautiful Door

And with that outlier added, Clinton still leads by 7.3 points in the RCP average.

It ought to be twice that. Or more.

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calochortus  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:55:31pm

re: #76 MsJ

I’m hoping the link Charles posted above will keep Bernie and Jane busy. Maybe Bernie can find that he needs to “spend more time with the family”.

That would be nice. From what little I’ve read, though, I’m not sure that there is a big scandal there. It seems like Jane Sanders was dreaming big (nearly quadrupling enrollment at that tiny college?) and wanted to believe all these people were going to donate-and then they didn’t. She had faith! Just like Bernie! Didn’t work out well.
Details do matter.

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:56:06pm

re: #77 Belafon

I’m hoping he gives a rousing speech at the convention and talks about all the things that need to be fought for and how Clinton will do a good job. Like other candidates such as Clinton have done in previous conventions.

I have absolutely zero faith that Bernie is that much of a mensch. These days he’s nothing but a douchebag in my eyes.

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Belafon  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:56:56pm

re: #79 retired cynic

It ought to be twice that. Or more.

Yeah, if it’s anything less than 10% she’s underperforming.

I was looking for a graphic from the 2012 election. The USA Today/Gallop polls showed Obama behind Romney from Summer 2011 until September 2012 when people really start paying attention.

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:56:56pm

re: #75 Big Beautiful Door

The GOP threw every “scandal” they could imagine at Obama two elections in a row.

The GOP needed help from Libyans and a crappy email server to make them. They couldn’t even make up their own.

Well.. Obama bowing. That was all them. But even Obama helped them there… thanks Obama.

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Belafon  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:58:06pm

re: #83 SoundGuy 2016

The GOP needed help from Libyans and a crappy email server to make them. They couldn’t even make up their own.

Well.. Obama bowing. That was all them. But even Obama helped them there… thanks Obama.

I had someone pull that on me, but he shut up after I showed him Bush bowing.

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Mattand  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:58:26pm

re: #70 stpaulbear

Sanders isn’t going to be in a position of power by then. It’s pretty much over for him now. Bernie’s going to make his demands and Hillz is going to say ‘Sure, whatever’ and it will be over.

I actually hope Sander’s campaign puts pressure on Clinton to lean more left. For all of my bitching about the Bernie Bros, I think having Sanders in the mix is ultimately a good thing. I do worry that Clinton will be “Yeah, whatever” and ignore some of the stuff he’s brought up.

Of course, I had another fill of Sanders supporters bitching about how Clinton is actually more to the right of Trump recently. That shit worries me the most. It’s hard to keep a fascist psycho from taking over the country when people in your own party, who didn’t get their way, are actively trying to sabotage the election.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 29, 2016 • 7:58:39pm

re: #78 Big Beautiful Door

And with that outlier added, Clinton still leads by 7.3 points in the RCP average.

re: #79 retired cynic

It ought to be twice that. Or more.

Yup. But they’re just now getting into the LV polling. I’m holding to the dogma that HRC is 2 points ahead through November. We’re winning, but we’re Democrats.

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Mattand  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:00:07pm

re: #75 Big Beautiful Door

The GOP threw every “scandal” they could imagine at Obama two elections in a row.

That’s been a thing of beauty. Obama runs a tight, clean ship, and all these fuck knockers can do is rail about teleprompters and imaginary free phones.

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Belafon  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:01:22pm

re: #85 Mattand

I actually hope Sander’s campaign puts pressure on Clinton to lean more left. For all of my bitching about the Bernie Bros, I think having Sanders in the mix is ultimately a good thing. I do worry that Clinton will be “Yeah, whatever” and ignore some of the stuff he’s brought up.

Of course, I had another fill of Sanders supporters bitching about how Clinton is actually more to the right of Trump recently. That shit worries me the most. It’s hard to keep a fascist psycho from taking over the country when people in your own party, who didn’t get their way, are actively trying to sabotage the election.

I would suggest looking at Clinton’s voting record, one of those other things we do have an actual record of. Her voting was nearly identical to his. And a very strong argument could be made that she’s more liberal than Bill.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:01:25pm

re: #87 Mattand

That’s been a thing of beauty. Obama runs a tight, clean ship, and all these fuck knockers can do is rail about teleprompters and imaginary free phones.

Bushphones™, actually, too.

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:01:59pm

re: #87 Mattand

That’s been a thing of beauty. Obama runs a tight, clean ship, and all these fuck knockers can do is rail about teleprompters and imaginary free phones.

Some guy was praising Trumps FP “speech” that it was brilliant and TelePrompTer free. It was neither.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:02:10pm

re: #79 retired cynic

It ought to be twice that. Or more.

In this polarized age the vote is pretty inelastic. Most Republicans will rally around their nominee so I expect Trump’s vote to be in the mid forties with a ceiling of about 48% if he can behave himself during the general election campaign to reassure more mainstream GOP voters.

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:04:29pm

re: #91 Big Beautiful Door

In this polarized age the vote is pretty inelastic. Most Republicans will rally around their nominee so I expect Trump’s vote to be in the mid forties with a ceiling of about 48% if he can behave himself during the general election campaign to reassure more mainstream GOP voters.

Trump has a heavier load because he’s losing minorities. Latinos went for Bush at 30ish percent, if I recall. Trump has 7%. Plus, Latinos are registering in record numbers to vote against Trump. Hopefully that’ll help.

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Mattand  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:05:15pm

re: #91 Big Beautiful Door

In this polarized age the vote is pretty inelastic. Most Republicans will rally around their nominee so I expect Trump’s vote to be in the mid forties with a ceiling of about 48% if he can behave himself during the general election campaign to reassure more mainstream GOP voters.

That’s what kills me, though. They’ll rally around him regardless of the shit that falls out of his mouth. In fact, if he were actually to start acting like an adult, he could possibly do better. Because the MSM and our precious “independents” would be all “Wow, look, he doesn’t talk like a thirteen year old anymore! Let’s make this guy President!”

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Reality Based Steve  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:05:46pm

I’m down for the night. Catch you all tomorrow sometime I suspect.

Have a good evening.

RBS

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stpaulbear  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:05:56pm

re: #85 Mattand

I do worry that Clinton will be “Yeah, whatever” and ignore some of the stuff he’s brought up.

I should clarify that I think Hillary will say ‘Yeah, whatever’ very graciously. I didn’t mean to suggest that she’d be insulting.

If the berniebros’ not voting results in a win for Trump, I hope they never find a job above barista or convenience store clerk for the rest of their lives (I’m in a mood to be a dick about it).

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:07:32pm

As I was making a run for some Arrogant Bastard Ale (which I really need to cut back on) I heard a weird clip on BBC World Service that melded cricket with Game Of Thrones and the return of John Snow.

…..Mind……Blown…..

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:08:42pm

re: #93 Mattand

That’s what kills me, though. They’ll rally around him regardless of the shit that falls out of his mouth. In fact, if he were actually to start acting like an adult, he could possibly do better. Because the MSM and our precious “independents” would be all “Wow, look, he doesn’t talk like a thirteen year old anymore! Let’s make this guy President!”

And for those who like to keep tabs, we are currently at Two Horsemen of the Trumpocalypse.

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:12:24pm

re: #81 MsJ

This conversation came up on TPV, and I’m so disillusioned with Sanders that I think his persona in January, the Sanders we admired, was totally fake.

I have no trust or respect for him. How can I? When his campaign makes a pronouncement, whose voice is it really? Is it Devine? Weaver? Jane? Or Bernie?

Will we see the man that leaves Philadelphia with grace? Or will it be the man who will incite his followers in a scorched-earth maneuver?

We don’t know, and the more I learn of his character, the more I fear he’s Trump’s leftist counterpart.

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Mattand  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:16:00pm

re: #98 Sherlock Hound

This conversation came up on TPV, and I’m so disillusioned with Sanders that I think his persona in January, the Sanders we admired, was totally fake.

I have no trust or respect for him. How can I? When his campaign makes a pronouncement, whose voice is it really? Is it Devine? Weaver? Jane? Or Bernie?

Will we see the man that leaves Philadelphia with grace? Or will it be the man who will incite his followers in a scorched-earth maneuver?

We don’t know, and the more I learn of his character, the more I fear he’s Trump’s leftist counterpart.

That whole exchange the other day where he was like “Fuck her, I’m can’t ask my supporters to back her if I lose ¯\_(ツ)_/¯” really pissed me off.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:17:11pm

re: #98 Sherlock Hound

Hopefully Bernie supporters (like George Takei has) will tell the BernieBots that its imperative to not become PUMA’s and sit on the sidelines and vote for the party - much like our beloved Dark Falcon does for the GOP side…..

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:24:26pm

re: #55 stpaulbear

I can still remember waking up to Governor Ventura. Nobody could believe it, especially Jesse. He got humble just out of shock for a while, but about 2 1/2 years into his term, he just kind of decided to fuck it. No-fucks-to-give Jesse was a drag.

I’ve met some folks up here who voted for Jesse, and have no regrets for doing so. He seemed to have some moments of real sanity with his light-rail and shall-issue legislation, but then went whacko when he wanted to let his lieutenant governor run the show for the last year?!

There’s still a picture of him at the cigar bar I frequent.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:29:10pm
The Most Interesting Monkey in the World - I don’t always eat lettuce, but when I do I eat Romaine.
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:32:32pm

Hi Lizards.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:38:16pm

re: #103 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:38:47pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:39:53pm

re: #104 CuriousLurker

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retired cynic  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:42:05pm

re: #105 MsJ

Kitty!!

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LOVE!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:50:10pm

(oh my)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:53:21pm

re: #105 MsJ

That’s a big kitteh. Mine isn’t that big, but survived the travel….

Go ahead, you hairless apes….

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:54:08pm

re: #109 Eric The Fruit Bat

That’s a big kitteh. Mine isn’t that big, but survived the travel….

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What a beauty!!!!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:55:39pm

re: #110 MsJ

You would not believe the fur Ozzie has thrown off.

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 8:57:30pm

re: #111 Eric The Fruit Bat

You would not believe the fur Ozzie has thrown off.

I used to breed Persians. I totally know!

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retired cynic  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:01:58pm

re: #109 Eric The Fruit Bat

That’s a big kitteh. Mine isn’t that big, but survived the travel….

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I have a kitteh, something like that, only the ugliest cat in the world. The sweetest and one of the smartest, but ugly, bless her heart. Someone dumped her. I posted photos of the two boys last month, but now here is the most beautiful cat in the world. Not the sweetest, and one of the smartest. We were vacuuming today, and she wouldn’t move, so she got vacuumed, and adored it. Punctured my epidermis for stopping. Heh. Meet 16-year-old Pita (pain in the a**):

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:02:58pm

re: #112 MsJ

He is a declawed rescue I adopted back in 2005. I still have his papers somewhere-he came from a breeder in Iowa-I emailed the breeder a picture of him, the breeder asked me if I could find him a home for some of his retired toms/queens.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:03:57pm

re: #113 retired cynic

I have a kitteh, something like that, only the ugliest cat in the world. The sweetest and one of the smartest, but ugly, bless her heart. Someone dumped her. I posted photos of the two boys last month, but now here is the most beautiful cat in the world. Not the sweetest, and one of the smartest. We were vacuuming today, and she wouldn’t move, so she got vacuumed, and adored it. Punctured my epidermis for stopping. Heh. Meet 16-year-old Pita (pain in the a**):

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I had longhaired cat who also loved being vacuumed. The noise didn’t spook him at all.

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Dexter's New Approach  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:04:35pm

The betting odds have Trump winning the Presidency the same as the Cubs have of winning the World Series. That may seem encouraging. Everyone knows the Cubs are long-time losers. But the Cubs are the MLB’s best team this year. This is the best chance in my lifetime that my team might win a World Series. But its just as likely they won’t, and instead my country will elect an (overt) racist, demagogue, know-knowing. That’s hard to reconcile.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:06:40pm

re: #116 Dexter’s New Approach

Welcome hatching.

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stpaulbear  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:07:02pm

re: #101 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’ve met some folks up here who voted for Jesse, and have no regrets for doing so. He seemed to have some moments of real sanity with his light-rail and shall-issue legislation, but then went whacko when he wanted to let his lieutenant governor run the show for the last year?!

There’s still a picture of him at the cigar bar I frequent.

I had just started working for the state about two weeks before he was elected. Things got so screwed up by his growing inability to get along with anyone that about 50 people in my building (including me and a co-worker who’d been with the state for over 30 years) got laid off about 3 1/2 years after I started. A lot of people just got out the popcorn when everything turned into a train wreck, but he caused a lot of government services to go downhill and never recover. The state had to hire outside contractors to do the work that the laid off people had been doing for a long time.

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:08:27pm

re: #116 Dexter’s New Approach

The betting odds have Trump winning the Presidency the same as the Cubs have of winning the World Series. That may seem encouraging. Everyone knows the Cubs are long-time losers. But the Cubs are the MLB’s best team this year. This is the best chance in my lifetime that my team might win a World Series. But its just as likely they won’t, and instead my country will elect an (overt) racist, demagogue, know-knowing. That’s hard to reconcile.

Dude. It’s so wrong to disparage my Cubbies comparing them to…that evil fucker.

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MsJ  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:14:12pm

re: #116 Dexter’s New Approach

Oh. And welcome. :-)

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Der Flohgeisteffekt  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:28:22pm

re: #116 Dexter’s New Approach

The betting odds have Trump winning the Presidency the same as the Cubs have of winning the World Series. That may seem encouraging. Everyone knows the Cubs are long-time losers. But the Cubs are the MLB’s best team this year. This is the best chance in my lifetime that my team might win a World Series. But its just as likely they won’t, and instead my country will elect an (overt) racist, demagogue, know-knowing. That’s hard to reconcile.

Welcome.

Your first Soros check will arrive by an albino on horseback. The health care package isn’t that great: the options are basically “death by volcano” and “granted a life—worse-than-death packed full of dodgy cybernetics,” but check out options in the Zionist dental program, too: the cyanide-filled fake tooth is the basic model, but you get much better money out of the “bite down to make this dinner party and/or make EDM bearable” model.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:29:40pm

re: #118 stpaulbear

Those are some of the stores I never hear being an import-I imagine that everyone has has different memories of the Ventura administration depending on whether their own agendas were met or not. Ventura certainly talked about how he was taken down into the basement of some government facility and was allegedly grilled by the CIA about how he won the governor’s race in MN.

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jaunte  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:29:56pm

Squeaky rhino babies

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blueraven  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:31:16pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

I always skew Rassmussen a couple points left early in the campaign. They ‘refine’ their models to come up with reasonable numbers as the election nears. IIRC, Nate Silver doesn’t dismiss them out of hand, though that might have been before the new management.

The thing about the Rass poll…it has each candidate at 38%. That equals 76%. The rest say they will vote for someone else or stay home. This includes 25% of the Black vote.(I am doubtful)

I expect that will change over time even if those numbers are correct.

That said, I don’t think we can take anything for granted. This election is by no means already determined.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:33:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:37:45pm
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CuriousLurker  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:41:04pm

re: #113 retired cynic

That’s amazing—all I had to do was show my cats the vacuum (Layla hated it too) and they’d run for cover under the bed or other furniture.

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retired cynic  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:45:07pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

That’s amazing—all I had to do was show my cats the vacuum (Layla hated it too) and they’d run for cover under the bed or other furniture.

The rest of mine do. And Pita always had before. She even let us suck her whole tail up the hose, and just rolled around on the bed. Believe me, she is not known for her sense of humor. She is extremely loving, but it has to be done her way.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 9:47:26pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 10:01:10pm

re: #121 The Ghost of a Flea

Upding for batshit insane references.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 29, 2016 • 10:04:05pm

re: #115 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The book Cat Sense isn’t that bad.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 29, 2016 • 10:10:09pm

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The #scorpions that scurry around Scottsdale, Arizona emerged from their winter slumber early this year. Usually dormant until late March, the creatures came out as temperatures soared in February, making a month that is generally pretty pleasant the second-warmest on record. Residents have been finding scorpions in their beds, in their showers, on walls inside and outside their homes and all over their yards. @caitlin_oh photographed this giant desert hairy #scorpion glowing under a #blacklight while on assignment in Scottsdale this month. The glow comes from a substance found inside a hard-and-thin coating on the scorpion’s exoskeleton. Scientists are not sure what purpose it serves. Some say it is to confuse prey; others believe it’s to protect scorpions from sunlight.


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