Donald Trump Implies President Obama Is Connected to the Orlando Attack

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Donald Trump’s latest insanity is a direct appeal to the conspiracy-minded right wing base, the kind of people who post comments at Breitbart “News.” In an interview with Fox News, Trump strongly implied that President Obama either condones or was actually connected to the Orlando shootings.

This is the Washington Post article that enraged Trump so much he revoked their press credentials.

Donald Trump seemed to repeatedly accuse President Obama on Monday of identifying with radicalized Muslims who have carried out terrorist attacks in the United States and being complicit in the mass shooting at a gay nightclub in Orlando over the weekend, the worst the country has ever seen.

“Look, we’re led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he’s got something else in mind,” Trump said in a lengthy interview on Fox News early Monday morning. “And the something else in mind — you know, people can’t believe it. People cannot, they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the way he acts and can’t even mention the words ‘radical Islamic terrorism.’ There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable. There’s something going on.”

In that same interview, Trump was asked to explain why he called for Obama to resign in light of the shooting and he answered, in part: “He doesn’t get it or he gets it better than anybody understands — it’s one or the other, and either one is unacceptable.”

In this election, we’re seeing the mainstreaming of deranged conspiracy theories and racist ideas that have previously been relegated to the far right fringe, now being actively promoted and exploited by the Republican Party’s nominee for president.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:54:08pm

If this works and Trump is actually elected President, we are in for a loooong four years which may have us fondly remembering the competency and rationality of the Bush Administration. Pray that there aren’t enough voters blind enough to fall for Trump’s vileness.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:55:01pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:55:30pm

Jumping from one scam artist to another: An ad for this outfit (in Spanish) is in my sidebar.

complaintsboard.com

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:55:41pm

re: #1 Big Beautiful Door

Each day of a Trump administration will seem like 4 years.

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Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:55:43pm

You know, when Romney pulled this shit back in 2012 after Benghazi, it pretty much began the final chapter on his candidacy. That grinning smirk after implying the President condoned the murder of 4 Americans never really went away, and the efforts to spin “act of terror” as insufficient at the second debate buried Willard.

If the fates are kind, Trump rushing to capitalize on the deaths of 50 Americans will be like a stake of holly through his campaign’s heart.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:58:10pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

You know, when Romney pulled this shit back in 2012 after Benghazi, it pretty much began the final chapter on his candidacy. That grinning smirk after implying the President condoned the murder of 4 Americans never really went away, and the efforts to spin “act of terror” as insufficient at the second debate buried Willard.

If the fates are kind, Trump rushing to capitalize on the deaths of 50 Americans will be like a stake of holly through his campaign’s heart.

And the GOP, that gleefully follows along with Trump, endorsing him, supporting him, and otherwise voting for him despite all evidence showing him unworthy of the office he seeks.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:59:10pm

re: #2 lawhawk

From the known timeline, it’s entirely possible the Orlando shooter bought the weapons after that remark was made.

Part of me wishes we could turn back time and stop what happened. I know the pain when you lose someone suddenly. But even then, that doesn’t fix the root causes - the bigotry and hatred that had to ferment in order for this to happen. The easy access to guns that enabled it.

I’m instead hoping for peace and comfort for the families, wisdom for us as a country, and the courage to do the hard things and move forward, instead of taking the easy way out and targeting people who had nothing to do with it.

Not sure how optimistic I am that we’ll get there, not right now, but that’s what I’m hoping for. (Needless to say, Donald Trump embodies none of these things.)

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GrFace  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:59:27pm

Well… You shouldn’t misquote people…. uh… Especially when it’s verbatim.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:00:00pm

re: #8 GrFace

Welcome, hatchling. :)

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:00:13pm

Donald Trump Picked the Wrong News Editor to F*ck With
Trump is going to war with The Washington Post,​ but he doesn’t stand a chance against Marty Baron.

Holy hell, even I didn’t know that He, Trump was dumb enough to cancel the credentials of The Washington Post…

If He, Trump wants additional clarification, I suggest he contact Bernard Cardinal Law at the Basilica of Our Lady Of The Clean Getaway in Rome.

esquire.com

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:01:54pm

Anderson Cooper can’t hold it together. He’s on the first name. Reading them all.

:(

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:01:58pm

The Rage Furby has made his Facebook page private, by the way.

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wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:02:08pm

Well, Charles, there goes your press credential. Or did you have a pressed credenza? They seem interchangeable.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:02:47pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby has made his Facebook page private, by the way.

It would be a public service if he made his whole life totally private.

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:04:01pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby has made his Facebook page private, by the way.

How, pray tell, does one build a media empire (that is a new paradigm and puts all other journalists out of business) with a private Fakebook page?

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ipsos  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:06:09pm

re: #15 BeachDem

How, pray tell, does one build a media empire (that is a new paradigm and puts all other journalists out of business) with a private Fakebook page?

Bigly. Very bigly.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:06:14pm

re: #15 BeachDem

How, pray tell, does one build a media empire (that is a new paradigm and puts all other journalists out of business) with a private Fakebook page?

Send him 20 bucks and he’ll tell you the secret that the BIG MEDIA don’t want you to know!!!!!

RBS

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451_Montag  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:06:16pm

Listening to Anderson Cooper is just heartbreaking. He is really feeling this.

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:07:17pm

re: #15 BeachDem

He’s also managed to cut the value of his blog site by around 40% since the last time I checked.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:08:08pm

re: #17 Reality Based Steve

Send him 20 bucks and he’ll tell you the secret that the BIG MEDIA don’t want you to know!!!!!

RBS

One weird trick to make a private Facebook page a profit center!

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:09:17pm

re: #20 Big Beautiful Door

One weird trick to make a private Facebook page a profit center!

Maybe he thinks he can get people to pay for access. A new first for Rage: a paywalled Facebook page.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:10:14pm

re: #21 Skip Intro

Maybe he thinks he can get people to pay for access. A new first for Rage: a paywalled Facebook page.

Making it more a “GET OFF MY PAGE YOU STINKING KIDS” media than a SOCIAL media.

RBS

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:13:18pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:13:20pm

re: #18 451_Montag

Listening to Anderson Cooper is just heartbreaking. He is really feeling this.

This interview!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:14:05pm

Remember that crazy lady that John McCain had to talk down? I’ll bet she’s all like “Congrats to me - I told y’all!”

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:15:21pm

re: #25 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Remember that crazy lady that John McCain had to talk down? I’ll bet she’s all like “Congrats to me - I told y’all!”

You’re right. Palin is doing that.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:17:48pm

My Mom’s next door neighbor knew 2 of the killed, 2 who are in the hospital. He’s devastated.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:18:02pm
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:19:54pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Did Hoft actually say he was gay or that he was coming out as a gay republican activist?

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electrotek  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:20:37pm
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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:20:44pm

With all of the nationalistic bigotry that Donald Trump has been spewing as of late - restricting movement of Muslims, harassment of Hispanics and other “brown people”, I am completely convinced that it is just a matter of time before he proposes Nuremberg-style laws that would strip the citizenship and revoke constitutional protections given to entire groups of people in this country.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:20:53pm

re: #29 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Did Hoft actually say he was gay or that he was coming out as a gay republican activist?

After Many Years of Ugly Anti-Gay Rhetoric, Hate-Blogger Jim Hoft Announces He’s Gay

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Dr. Matt  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:21:30pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart

So Omar Mateen appears to be a gun-loving, woman-hating, closeted homosexual…..just like DimJim.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:22:12pm

re: #33 Dr. Matt

So Omar Mateen appears to be a gun-loving, woman-hating, closeted homosexual…..just like DimJim.

Colonel Fitts on a massive scale. Ugh.

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:22:44pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby has made his Facebook page private, by the way.

Now that is some ‘New Journalism’ there. Get the news out to the very few.

What a way to build an empire. Genius! Brilliant!

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:23:51pm

re: #30 electrotek

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Then we’d be talking about how he’s a lone wolf and no one knows why he attacked.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:26:06pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby has made his Facebook page private, by the way.

He did that previously but made it public so he could get more attention. It’s only a matter a time before he’ll make it public again. He needs and loves the attention.

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makeitstop  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:26:17pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart

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I briefly considered that possibility when I heard about the shooting, but put it out of my mind because it seemed too far=fetched. Go figure.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:27:03pm

re: #32 teleskiguy

Thanks, I saw that. I even quoted from it. I I guess since he is just about the most insincere person on the planet, unless he actually says “I’m gay” (which he didn’t), I’m just skeptical of anything

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:28:10pm

I thought Roger Stone wasn’t working for Trump.

Is he still on the scene or have they found someone even scummier? There seems to be plenty of snakes about, but dang, Stone is a pretty nasty piece of work.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:29:08pm
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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:29:27pm

re: #39 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Thanks, I saw that. I even quoted from it. I I guess since he is just about the most insincere person on the planet, unless he actually says “I’m gay” (which he didn’t), I’m just skeptical of anything

Actually he did. This is from his piece at Breitbart

I came out in the 1980s to family and friends during the AIDS epidemic. I saw a lot of friends get sick. I saw a lot of friends die. I went to a lot of funerals.

It was a scary time to be gay.

Like most gay Americans, I don’t wear my sexuality on my sleeve. I go about my daily business. I try not to harm anyone. I love my family. I love my friends. I love my country.

I’ve been a conservative activist for years. But today I’m coming out as a conservative gay activist.

In the past few years I’ve built one of the most prominent conservative websites in America. I created The Gateway Pundit because I wanted to speak the truth. I wanted to expose the wickedness of the left. I was raised to love my country. Today I serve my country by defending her from the socialist onslaught.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:30:24pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:30:28pm

re: #37 Dr. Matt

He did that previously but made it public so he could get more attention. It’s only a matter a time before he’ll make it public again. He needs and loves the attention.

But what happens to an attention seeker when no one pays him any attention?

Maybe some day we will be hearing of Chuck in a bad way. Some attention seekers that think like him can turn up in the news. And arrested.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:31:40pm

re: #42 Reality Based Steve

Thanks. I wasn’t going to go to brightfart. Thanks for taking one for the team.

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:32:42pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

You know, when Romney pulled this shit back in 2012 after Benghazi, it pretty much began the final chapter on his candidacy. That grinning smirk after implying the President condoned the murder of 4 Americans never really went away, and the efforts to spin “act of terror” as insufficient at the second debate buried Willard.

If the fates are kind, Trump rushing to capitalize on the deaths of 50 Americans will be like a stake of holly through his campaign’s heart.

But it took until election night for his campaign to learn the truth about their chances. Until then, they really thought the polling was in their favor. Prepare for a long election season of Trump doing this over the top nonsense and believing the biased polling until he gets shellacked on election night, like Rmoney.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:33:15pm
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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:33:25pm

re: #45 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Thanks. I wasn’t going to go to brightfart. Thanks for taking one for the team.

That’s what TOR is for.

RBS

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:34:01pm

what

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:34:22pm

In case you didn’t see the Jennifer Rubin tweet posted at Balloon Juice:

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:35:03pm

By the way, when you say “radical Islamic terror” are you supposed to click your heels together? Nothing is happening.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:35:33pm

re: #51 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

By the way, when you say “radical Islamic terror” are you supposed to click your heels together? Nothing is happening.

I think you’re supposed to write it on a bathroom mirror first.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:35:53pm

re: #42 Reality Based Steve

I wanted to expose the wickedness of the left.

I wonder when he’ll start.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:38:19pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

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jeebus, Paul Ryan is scum.

After the moment of silence ended, Assistant Minority Leader James Clyburn (D-S.C.) tried to seek recognition, a request Ryan denied.

Clyburn told reporters that he wanted to speak about the upcoming anniversary — this Friday — of the shooting at a historically black church in his district a year ago in Charleston, S.C.

“I think that we have some appalling silence taking place in this body when we ought to be responding,” Clyburn said.

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gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:39:17pm

re: #30 electrotek

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(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:40:23pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

Moments of silence and prayer are for the living. To show respect. If you truly wished to show respect for all the men women and children shot by sick people who were able to buy weapons like bubble gum, you would do something to change that access.. Until that time, your politicians who are in the pocket of the NRA should just STFU and STFD until you actually give a rats ass about the ease of this all. Just like bubble gum. I’ll have the large pack. Make that 15. Whoa. I might have to make 2 trips.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:41:38pm

re: #38 makeitstop

I briefly considered that possibility when I heard about the shooting, but put it out of my mind because it seemed too far=fetched. Go figure.

I suspected he had some connection to the bar, as he traveled over 100 miles to get there

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:41:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:44:44pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:44:47pm

Space Jesus above, check in.

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electrotek  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:45:11pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:46:14pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:46:24pm
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ipsos  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:46:26pm

Dogdammit, what do I do when I look at something Jennifer Rubin wrote and I AGREE with it? This world makes no sense.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:48:14pm

re: #64 ipsos

Dogdammit, what do I do when I look at something Jennifer Rubin wrote and I AGREE with it? This world makes no sense.

I think the current response is to drink Gin.

RBS

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Great White Snark  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:53:15pm

re: #65 Reality Based Steve

re: #64 ipsos

Dogdammit, what do I do when I look at something Jennifer Rubin wrote and I AGREE with it? This world makes no sense.

That happened to me today with Ralph Nader of all people. Tequila stat!

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ipsos  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:57:13pm

re: #65 Reality Based Steve

I think the current response is to drink Gin.

RBS

A nice Irish whiskey at this end, but yeah.

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:01:22pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:04:10pm

Seems more than appropriate:

Mad World - Gary Jules

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:05:57pm
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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:07:05pm

If I get knocked off line, it’s because there are a crapload of supercell thunderstorms in my area now.

wunderground.com

Tornado watches to our south, flood warnings to our west, thuderstorm warnings across the Nebraska Panhandle.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:09:17pm

re: #71 Anymouse

Be careful. and keep an eye on the sky.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:12:45pm

re: #71 Anymouse

Eat the ice cream first.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:12:54pm

re: #72 PhillyPretzel

Be careful. and keep an eye on the sky.

Crap. Means I can’t start in on Sailor Jerry’s Rum mixed in Kool-Aid over endless shootings and Donald Trump’s Tweets. (Fortunately I have no Twizzler account so I get to read just the craziest here and at Wonkette.)

Spent the afternoon battling the VA Pharmacy … they are still holding out on my epilepsy meds, with about three weeks to go before my trip to Canada, Michigan, and Illinois. It’s like the pharmacist is dipping into his personal stash of barbiturates or something.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:14:33pm

Rescued Hen Enjoys Watching National Geographic

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:15:49pm

I’m looking forward to a nice relaxing 12 hour shift tomorrow. These days off are more strenuous than my working days.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:20:41pm

re: #71 Anymouse

Maybe try to Head East?

Head East- Never Been Any Reason

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:22:35pm

I don’t remember who was asking, but I don’t think the armed guard was killed. He shot at him & pushed him back into the bar.

How the cops handled this will be reviewed.

The time between the original shooting & the end.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:22:51pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:23:28pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:24:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:25:05pm
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(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:26:30pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

For someone who is purportedly a “Progressive”, she sure does some mind numbing things. I once thought she was a voice against…Then I realized it was just another paycheck and cable news opinion show bending over backwards to show they have no agenda. Thanks Rachel!

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electrotek  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:27:11pm
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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:27:18pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:27:45pm

Well, since we know that there was an armed officer there and the shooter was able to kill him, the whole ‘good guy with a gun’ meme can no longer be used as it has now clearly shown to be a failure.

Notice that ever since Oklahoma City, more acts of terrorism/mass killings are committed with firearms than with bombs. Why? getting bomb-making material is infinitely more difficult than legally purchasing a firearm.

Perhaps its time to legally classify any mass murder as terrorism and make that an automatic charge when such events occur-because that is exactly what is happening.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:27:51pm

re: #77 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Maybe try to Head East?

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I saw them in Kansas City, I THINK it was with Climax Blues Band. Think Head East was the headline act. Probably was sometime in mid -70’s and that I went with a girl called Marie Claire Halloran. Funny how a song brings back memories.

Youtube Video
RBS

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CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:27:58pm

re: #78 Stanley Sea

I don’t remember who was asking, but I don’t think the armed guard was killed. He shot at him & pushed him back into the bar.

How the cops handled this will be reviewed.

The time between the original shooting & the end.

2:02 a.m.

A uniformed Orlando police officer working at the club off-duty first heard gunshots. Omar Mateen was outside with an AR-15, a handgun and an explosive device.

The officer fired at him, police said. Two more officers showed up and opened fire.

Mateen fired back, and walked back into Pulse, trapping dozens of people inside. […]

orlandosentinel.com

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:31:49pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:31:59pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:33:35pm

re: #88 CuriousLurker

Wait - Mateen was OUTSIDE the club, AFTER some gunfire. The off duty cop and others open fire on him, and he goes back in side and starts shooting more.

THREE HOURS LATER, - many, many gunshots later, they cops go in?

Am I reading that right? Good Guys With Guns sent the Bad Guy With Guns BACK INTO THE CLUB?!? Then waited THREE HOURS?

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:34:32pm

re: #84 electrotek

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Rachel’s show bookers are fucking low on the pole obv.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:35:05pm

re: #86 Eric The Fruit Bat

Well, since we know that there was an armed officer there and the shooter was able to kill him, the whole ‘good guy with a gun’ meme can no longer be used as it has now clearly shown to be a failure.

Notice that ever since Oklahoma City, more acts of terrorism/mass killings are committed with firearms than with bombs. Why? getting bomb-making material is infinitely more difficult than legally purchasing a firearm.

Perhaps its time to legally classify any mass murder as terrorism and make that an automatic charge when such events occur-because that is exactly what is happening.

I do not believe he was killed.

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makeitstop  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:36:41pm

re: #93 Stanley Sea

I do not believe he was killed.

Agree. Because if a cop got killed, that would be mentioned incessantly. I haven’t heard it mentioned once.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:38:51pm

re: #91 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait - Mateen was OUTSIDE the club, AFTER some gunfire. The off duty cop and others open fire on him, and he goes back in side and starts shooting more.

THREE HOURS LATER, - many, many gunshots later, they cops go in?

Am I reading that right? Good Guys With Guns sent the Bad Guy With Guns BACK INTO THE CLUB?!? Then waited THREE HOURS?

Till they batter rammed a cement wall. Making a hole the killer got through & was subsequently killed.

Ya, it’s going to be ugly.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:40:05pm

re: #94 makeitstop

Agree. Because if a cop got killed, that would be mentioned incessantly. I haven’t heard it mentioned once.

Oh fuck yeah.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:42:22pm

Please note in the upcoming storm. The Mayor of Orlando is Buddy Dyer. My brother knows him & sings his praises.

He’s probably being prepared for the rack.

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(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:42:30pm

New York Times one hour ago.

All the details will take a week or more. Insane.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:43:15pm

Massive mesocyclone on radar from Sidney to Bridgeport Nebraska (about forty miles across) moving toward my village - severe thunderstorm warning issued. Just looked out the window to the southwest. Crap.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:43:57pm

Off topic, but the Cavs deserve to lose tonight just because of those awful jerseys

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:44:14pm

This hot garbage is making its way around my Facebook.

I stand behind you in line at the store with a smile on my face…and a gun under my shirt and you are none the wiser, yet you are safer for having me next to you. I won’t shoot you. My gun won’t pull its own trigger. It is securely holstered with the trigger covered. It can’t just go off. However, rest assured that if a lunatic walks into the grocery store and pulls out a rifle, I will draw my pistol and protect myself and my family and therefore protect you and your family. I may get shot before I can pull the trigger…but, I won’t die in a helpless blubbering heap on the floor begging for my life or my child’s life. No, if I die it will be in a pile of spent shell casings. I won’t be that victim. I choose not to be. As for you, I don’t ask you to carry a gun. If you are not comfortable, then please don’t. But I would like to keep my right to choose to not be a helpless victim. There is evil in the world and if evil has a gun, I want one too…
Copy and paste if you feel this way too…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:44:17pm

re: #91 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait - Mateen was OUTSIDE the club, AFTER some gunfire. The off duty cop and others open fire on him, and he goes back in side and starts shooting more.

THREE HOURS LATER, - many, many gunshots later, they cops go in?

Am I reading that right? Good Guys With Guns sent the Bad Guy With Guns BACK INTO THE CLUB?!? Then waited THREE HOURS?

What I read today (primarily the LA Times article) was that once he retreated into the club, he had hostages trapped in there with him and (at some point) they began negotiations. They moved when they felt there was an imminent threat to the lives of the hostages.

At least one of the victims apparently managed to Snapchat some of the few initial gunshots. It’s unclear whether those were inside or outside the club because again, the timing appears very unclear.

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gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:44:46pm
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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:46:29pm

I live just east of the intersection of US-385 and NE-92.
——- ——-
… A Severe Thunderstorm Warning remains in effect until 800 PM MDT
for Cheyenne and south central Morrill counties…

At 732 PM MDT… severe thunderstorms were located along a line
extending from 7 miles southeast of Court House and jail rocks to
near Lorenzo… moving northeast at 30 mph.

Hazard… 60 mph wind gusts. Small hail is also possible.

Source… trained weather spotters. Wind gusts in excess of 60 mph
occurred in Potter with these storms.

Impact… expect damage to roofs… siding… and trees.

Locations impacted include…
Sidney… Lodgepole… Dalton… Gurley… Sidney Airport… the intersection
of Highway 385 and 92… Sunol… Lorenzo… Colton and Brownson.

This includes Interstate 80 in Nebraska between mile markers 44 and
77.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:47:14pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

This hot garbage is making its way around my Facebook.

He’s not paying any attention to the guy behind him who pulled out a gun and shot him in the back of the head.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:47:29pm

re: #102 klys (maker of Silmarils)

What I read today (primarily the LA Times article) was that once he retreated into the club, he had hostages trapped in there with him and (at some point) they began negotiations. They moved when they felt there was an imminent threat to the lives of the hostages.

At least one of the victims apparently managed to Snapchat some of the few initial gunshots. It’s unclear whether those were inside or outside the club because again, the timing appears very unclear.

The snapchat was inside. They were dancing, she was snapchatting. The shots started.

She died.

I’ve seen no vid of the encounter outside, only the recollections.

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(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:47:47pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

There is an unfollow button. I use it. Then every once in awhile I go back in and see how many turds are on the floor. I consider it wise. If I wanted to argue with someone, I could pick a lot of places. Too far, and it’s the “POOF!” button. 3 strikes and you out. Your milage may vary.

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Great White Snark  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:48:12pm

re: #91 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait - Mateen was OUTSIDE the club, AFTER some gunfire. The off duty cop and others open fire on him, and he goes back in side and starts shooting more.

THREE HOURS LATER, - many, many gunshots later, they cops go in?

Am I reading that right? Good Guys With Guns sent the Bad Guy With Guns BACK INTO THE CLUB?!? Then waited THREE HOURS?

It takes more than 24 hours to properly apply the “24 hour” rule. Give it a week, wait for the shoot reconstruction.

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:48:21pm

re: #91 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait - Mateen was OUTSIDE the club, AFTER some gunfire. The off duty cop and others open fire on him, and he goes back in side and starts shooting more.

THREE HOURS LATER, - many, many gunshots later, they cops go in?

Am I reading that right? Good Guys With Guns sent the Bad Guy With Guns BACK INTO THE CLUB?!? Then waited THREE HOURS?

The police tread carefully if it can be a hostage situation. They did not expect him to be a mass murderer, unfortunately. It’s like all the passengers on the 9/11 flights, they figured the hijackers just wanted to fly somewhere and land.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:48:30pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

I’m sure, if you ran a simulation five hundred thousand times, the good guy with a gun might be successful in a dozen attacks. But in the rest? Probably more people dead than if you ran the same situation without a good guy with a gun

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:49:21pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

This hot garbage is making its way around my Facebook.

If you are brave enough to become the target of gun nut rage, post a story about the lone “good guy” that tried confronting the Vegas mass shooter couple a couple years ago. It did not turn out good.

A couple gun groups after the Charlie Hebdo attacks tried simulating being the targets in the office setting, and the only people that survived are the ones that ran once the shooters entered.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:49:36pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

My gun won’t pull its own trigger. It is securely holstered with the trigger covered. It can’t just go off. However, rest assured that if a lunatic walks into the grocery store and pulls out a rifle, I will freak out, grab my pistol with suddenly sweaty fingers and purely by accident, squeeze off a couple of shots that take down two innocent bystanders before being shot myself.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:49:53pm

re: #106 Stanley Sea

The snapchat was inside. They were dancing, she was snapchatting. The shots started.

She died.

I’ve seen no vid of the encounter outside, only the recollections.

Right, I’m saying it’s not clear if the initial shots were fired outside and merely heard inside, or were fired inside. I don’t believe the video makes it clear; I haven’t been able to bring myself to watch it and am operating off of short summaries.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:50:53pm

re: #49 Stanley Sea

It’s a day ending in Y.

Yesterday (lost in the misery of the Orlando massacre):
5 killed in New Mexico. Gunman killed his wife and 4 kids; remains at large.

Already today:

West Virginia - active shooter situation. Sketchy details. Police hunting for gunman who killed 3 at a WV state park (which doesn’t reach mass shooting definition of 4+ shot).

But these incidents do:
06/13/2016 NY - Brooklyn , Avenue D and E. 57th: 6 injured.
06/13/2016 CA- Fresno, East El Monte Way and Recreation Avenue: 4 injured

What keeps these two from making more headlines? No one died, despite the intentions of the shooters. That’s thanks to quick LEO, EMT, and ER personnel saving lives.

That we need a mass shooting tracker shows just how fucked up the nation’s priorities are. Right wingers cower in fear and demonize Muslims (or any minority group as they see fit) and think they must be killed overseas, but the overwhelming majority of mass shooting incidents are by Americans against Americans. Religion doesn’t have a damn thing to do with it. Ideology isn’t what kills these people. It’s the all too easy availability of firearms of all kinds.

Most homicides and nearly all suicides are carried out by regular sidearms, not semi auto long barrel weapons or shotguns. But those semi auto long barrel weapons generate a lot of press because they’ve been used in far too many high profile mass shootings to be just a coincidence. These are weapons that serve no purpose except to kill people. And yet here we are with the 2A absolutists claiming an inalienable right to these deadly devices, even though eliminating them as a class of weapons available for purchase might reduce but not eliminate the likelihood of future mass shooting using these weapons.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:51:13pm
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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:53:03pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:53:54pm

re: #113 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Right, I’m saying it’s not clear if the initial shots were fired outside and merely heard inside, or were fired inside. I don’t believe the video makes it clear; I haven’t been able to bring myself to watch it and am operating off of short summaries.

Orlando Sentinel is a good source. Several of their reporters.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:55:03pm

re: #105 Belafon

He’s not paying any attention to the guy behind him who pulled out a gun and shot him in the back of the head.

Yup, how’d that work out for the good guy with a gun in the Las Vegas Wal*Mart when the Talibanjo wingnuts came in after shooting two cops eating in a restaurant across the street?

Amateurs think of tactics, professionals think of logistics.

He saw a guy with a gun, pulled out his to get him, and the fellow’s female accomplice hiding looking for just such a thing killed him from behind.

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(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:56:17pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

I thought her whole defense of why Scott Walker should be recalled was based on how many towns in Wisconsin were named Union. “But you guys…….It’s who you are. It’s…….Scott Walker is not union and you guys….” And to me she just acted as if it was a foregone conclusion that the number of towns named Union in Wisconsin was going to ensure a Scott Walker recall…….I sat and screamed at the TV. Did no good. And all them towns named Union voted to keep Scott as Mr. Demolition of Union..

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:57:05pm

re: #26 Skip Intro

You’re right. Palin is doing that.

Lol!! Dying with laughter although I can’t remember him talking her down. She’s still running her mouth and spewing word salad everywhere. Unfortunately.

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whitebeach  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:59:39pm

re: #105 Belafon

He’s not paying any attention to the guy behind him who pulled out a gun and shot him in the back of the head.

To steal his freakin gun.

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:01:45pm

re: #118 Anymouse

Talibanjo wingnuts

I feel bad for laughing at this since it was a tragedy but LOL

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Mattand  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:02:07pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

Your show is one of the only ones I still watch. That’s why I’m rather stunned you’d promote hate group leader Robert Spencer. @maddow

Are you fucking kidding me? She really did this tonight???

And here I was dreading Bob and Chez’s eventual bed-shitting with their “We not saying all Muslims are terrorists, (stage whisper) but they’re all terrorists!!!” Bill Maher imitations.

Jesus, WTF, Rachel???

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:03:13pm

re: #123 Mattand

Are you fucking kidding me? She really did this tonight???

And here I was dreading Bob and Chez’s eventual bed-shitting with their “We not saying all Muslims are terrorists, (stage whisper) but they’re all terrorists!!!” Bill Maher imitations.

Jesus, WTF, Rachel???

Is Real Time live this week? I can imagine Maher is pleasuring himself just waiting for the cameras to turn on for his opening monologue. Full disclosure I love Maher’s show all the way back to his Politically Incorrect days on ABC. But he jumps on the “political correctness” and “anti-Islam” bandwagon because it puts his name in the news.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:04:22pm

re: #124 Shimshon

Is Real Time live this week? I can imagine Maher is pleasuring himself just waiting for the cameras to turn on for his opening monologue.

I’m fairly certain that’s how Maher spends every week his show is on

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:04:30pm

re: #121 whitebeach

My favorite response to the “COLD, DEAD FINGERS!” gun trope:

“BLAM!”

“Nice piece! Thanks.”

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Mattand  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:04:41pm

re: #124 Shimshon

Is Real Time live this week? I can imagine Maher is pleasuring himself just waiting for the cameras to turn on for his opening monologue.

Seriously. It’s why I get so pissed off when Bob and Chez go that route. They’re better than that.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:06:04pm

re: #123 Mattand

Yeah, Rachel just lost me.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:06:12pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:06:20pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:06:45pm

i cant get over how trump is raging over syrian refugees and “we’re importing terrorism” when the shooter this weekend was born in queens like trump and no syrian refugees have committed any acts of terrorism whatsoever

why cant somebody hold this moron to account and make him admit that his words dont correspond to reality?

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Joe Bacon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:07:20pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

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I gave up on BSNBC.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:07:38pm

Someone couldn’t be honest with themselves. Couldn’t be honest with others. Abusive. Violent. Raised red flags for everyone but the security company that hired him or the FBI that investigated him or the gun shop that sold him the firearms used in the attack.

But yeah, it’s the ideology not the free flow of firearms of all kinds to anyone that can pass a background check. Because anyone who passes is a good guy with a gun after all. Even if they turn out to be a bad gun with a gun who wants to slaughter as many people as they can.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:07:40pm

re: #131 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i cant get over how trump is raging over syrian refugees and “we’re importing terrorism” when the shooter this weekend was born in queens like trump and no syrian refugees have committed any acts of terrorism whatsoever

why cant somebody hold this moron to account and make him admit that they dont correspond to reality?

Maybe the Washington Post will now that they can no longer sit in on his events.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:09:06pm

re: #131 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i cant get over how trump is raging over syrian refugees and “we’re importing terrorism” when the shooter this weekend was born in queens like trump and no syrian refugees have committed any acts of terrorism whatsoever

why cant somebody hold this moron to account and make him admit that they dont correspond to reality?

Because Trump will employ the Chewbacca defense:

Chewbacca defense

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:09:31pm

I might be ducking for cover in a minute. The thunderstorm just to our south has a hook echo on radar, and Doppler radar shows a wind shear line right over my village. (Those are the first components for a tornado, and I am an amateur nerd weather geek since I was a teenager).

Lights just flickered… .

wunderground.com

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:10:16pm

re: #133 lawhawk

That Security Company has a really sketchy history.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:10:32pm

re: #136 Anymouse

I might be ducking for cover in a minute. The thunderstorm just to our south has a hook echo on radar, and Doppler radar shows a wind shear line right over my village. (Those are the first components for a tornado, and I am an amateur nerd weather geek since I was a teenager).

Lights just flickered… .

If you’re a nerd, shouldn’t you be standing outside looking for it?

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:11:58pm

re: #138 Belafon

If you’re a nerd, shouldn’t you be standing outside looking for it?

Well, I am right next to a window looking at it. (The Weather Service says you should stay away from windows.)

I am limbering up my button pushing thumb for the tornado siren if necessary …

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Joe Bacon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:13:04pm

re: #130 gocart mozart

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I just wonder why these Leviticus Lovers leave Red Lobster, Long John Silver’s and Arthur Treacher’s alone…

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:14:53pm

re: #130 gocart mozart

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:15:45pm
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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:17:04pm

re: #141 lawhawk

He is or was in the navy, odds of him having a tattoo (also forbidden)?

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:17:31pm

re: #139 Anymouse

Well, I am right next to a window looking at it. (The Weather Service says you should stay away from windows.)

I am limbering up my button pushing thumb for the tornado siren if necessary …

I try to take the NWS storm spotter training each year, I’m a member of CERT and have seen the effects of a tornado, but, being from Texas, my first inclination is to run outside and look up.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:17:43pm

re: #141 lawhawk

I’d bet Larry was a fan of cheeseburgers.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:18:23pm

re: #143 KGxvi

He is or was in the navy, odds of him having a tattoo (also forbidden)?

I want someone to get a tattoo of the verse forbidding markings on the body.

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(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:18:27pm

re: #142 Kragar

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Short walk from the car. Maybe right by the door. Front row seat. Close enough to count the beads of sweat on his furrowed brow.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:18:32pm

Getting hail; the storm passed off to the northeast into the empty quarter of the county.

Next round of thunderstorms is approaching and intensifying. Crap.

wunderground.com

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:18:47pm

re: #132 Joe Bacon

I gave up on BSNBC.

They are trying to get more viewers, and turning to a CNN type “moderate” route. It’s not going to work

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:20:17pm

re: #141 lawhawk

I don’t know why the saying “Cafeteria Catholic” because so popular, no one picks and chooses little bits and pieces of the Bible like Protestant Evangelicals. At least Catholics understand the teachings of Jesus more as Evangelicals literally ignore everything Jesus said.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:20:18pm

re: #144 Belafon

I try to take the NWS storm spotter training each year, I’m a member of CERT and have seen the effects of a tornado, but, being from Texas, my first inclination is to run outside and look up.

Right after we moved here I got to look right up the centre of a rotating thunderstorm while standing in front of the Public Library. The librarian was shouting at me to get the hell inside.

In 2013 I managed to get pictures of two tornadoes, both of which were very close to my home (one was out in a pasture only a couple blocks away).

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:22:48pm

re: #150 Shimshon

I don’t know why the saying “Cafeteria Catholic” because so popular, no one picks and chooses little bits and pieces of the Bible like Protestant Evangelicals. At least Catholics understand the teachings of Jesus more as Evangelicals literally ignore everything Jesus said.

Cafeteria Catholic has an element of alliteration. Nothing good like that with Protestant Evangelicals

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:23:05pm

re: #151 Anymouse

Right after we moved here I got to look right up the centre of a rotating thunderstorm while standing in front of the Public Library. The librarian was shouting at me to get the hell inside.

In 2013 I managed to get pictures of two tornadoes, both of which were very close to my home (one was out in a pasture only a couple blocks away).

Awesome. The closest I’ve been to one I’ve seen was when I was a kid. My parents were photographers. When the news announced a possible tornado, we all piled into the car. We were probably 10 miles away when they took the picture.

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gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:23:41pm
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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:23:50pm

re: #146 Belafon

I want someone to get a tattoo of the verse forbidding markings on the body.

I’m slightly annoyed that I can’t find the clip of Rev Lovejoy telling Marge that everything is a sin

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:24:15pm

re: #150 Shimshon

I don’t know why the saying “Cafeteria Catholic” because so popular, no one picks and chooses little bits and pieces of the Bible like Protestant Evangelicals. At least Catholics understand the teachings of Jesus more as Evangelicals literally ignore everything Jesus said.

How many Catholics use birth control? How many Catholics don’t use the Catholic Film Board’s rating system for determining what movie they watch? How about gay Catholics? How many Catholics are divorced and remarried without Church approval? How many Catholics support the death penalty? How many Catholics have had abortions? &c &c &c

Cafeteria Catholics are those who do not follow all the teachings of the Catechism of the Church.

(this message brought to you by an atheist)

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Tigger2  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:25:30pm

Another RINO. One of hopefully many more.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:25:32pm

re: #153 Belafon

Awesome. The closest I’ve been to one I’ve seen was when I was a kid. My parents were photographers. When the news announced a possible tornado, we all piled into the car. We were probably 10 miles away when they took the picture.

My cousin is a storm chaser. When she was at her eldest daughter’s graduation in Michigan, someone went rushing into the gymnasium and said there was a tornado in the school’s cornfield. She rushed out of the graduation (not for shelter, but to get pictures).

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:26:34pm

re: #152 KGxvi

Cafeteria Catholic has an element of alliteration. Nothing good like that with Protestant Evangelicals

Yea, Potluck Protestants just doesn’t have the same ring I guess.

RBS

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:26:53pm

re: #156 Anymouse

How many Catholics use birth control? How many Catholics don’t use the Catholic Film Board’s rating system for determining what movie they watch? How about gay Catholics? How many Catholics are divorced and remarried without Church approval? How many Catholics support the death penalty? How many Catholics have had abortions? &c &c &c

Cafeteria Catholics are those who do not follow all the teachings of the Catechism of the Church.

(this message brought to you by an atheist)

Oh don’t get me wrong, they have their moments where I scratch my head, like a single passage they misrepresent to tell us masturbation is a sin. But the evangelicals just rip out every page of the Bible that has Jesus allegedly speaking and pick and choose little bits of the Old Testament and NT for their ideology.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:27:38pm

re: #153 Belafon

Awesome. The closest I’ve been to one I’ve seen was when I was a kid. My parents were photographers. When the news announced a possible tornado, we all piled into the car. We were probably 10 miles away when they took the picture.

The closest I have ever been to a tornado was when (during my homeless fugue state where I briefly had a home with roommates) my home was destroyed in Liberty, Missouri by one.

Left me homeless again and I wandered to Omaha.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:27:52pm

re: #157 Tigger2

Another RINO. One of hopefully many more.

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He endorsed Obama twice too.

Is it wrong that I kind of want W to endorse Hillary? Or if not W, someone from his administration?

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gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:28:10pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:29:08pm

re: #46 Shimshon

But it took until election night for his campaign to learn the truth about their chances. Until then, they really thought the polling was in their favor. Prepare for a long election season of Trump doing this over the top nonsense and believing the biased polling until he gets shellacked on election night, like Rmoney.

Who will unskew the polls for Trump?

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:29:40pm

re: #157 Tigger2

“This election is starting to sound like the German elections in [the late 1920s],” Pressler said. “This is a very dangerous national conversation we’re slipping into.”

Pressler, a Mormon Sunday school teacher, said he understands all too well the dangers of singling out a particular religious group.

In 1838, Missouri Gov. Lilburn Boggs ordered Mormons to be killed, which forced many to leave the state before eventually resettling in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Trump makes “Mormons very nervous,” Pressler said.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:30:39pm

re: #162 KGxvi

Is it wrong that I kind of want W to endorse Hillary? Or if not W, someone from his administration?

Even Laura saying something would be awesome.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:30:45pm

re: #141 lawhawk

I love how Mr. Clifford claims Jesus wrote the entire Old Testament:

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Tigger2  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:32:12pm

re: #165 Belafon

Yep the article said that I read it.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:32:27pm

re: #157 Tigger2

The RINO Republican in question is a former senator.

No sitting GOP senator is doing that though my senator, Ben Sasse is still holding out against Trump … we had a state senator shift from the GOP to the Libertarian Party … if Ben Sasse keeps getting all the derp on his Facebook page and Twitter account from around the country calling him a traitor and such, I can see him saying screw it and join the LP as well. However, he is too socially conservative for most of the LP. He may also be hanging on hoping he can try to lead the party back from the utter disaster it is facing in the upcoming election as someone who is sane.

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:32:54pm

re: #164 Big Beautiful Door

Who will unskew the polls for Trump?

The 2000 election was a dagger to my heart when before the votes were counted I was hopeful America would be willing to advance into the 21st century. Boy was I wrong.

2004 was the last straw for me to lose faith in the voting public. People can be manipulated with scare tactics, and if more bad things happen between now and the election, the irrational choice for them is Trump.

Even after the 2008 election that euphoria lasted barely 2 years before Republicans won back power. Trump has an uphill battle, but convince enough Americans that only a Republican can protect you which is an ideology sadly even after 9/11 the majority still believes. It’s a hold over from the Cold War. Republicans, good with the economy and strong on protecting America. No mater how many times the GOP works to prove that belief wrong, people never stop believing it!

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:32:56pm

re: #168 Tigger2

Yep the article said that I read it.

I know. I just thought that was very important.

Edit: Plus, it was some history I didn’t know.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:33:11pm

re: #67 ipsos

A nice Irish whiskey at this end, but yeah.

A fine Kentucky Bourbon.

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:34:18pm

Just pictured LaBarbera, Matt Barber, and Bryan Fischer learning about Jim Hoft.

“All those hours we spent together researching hard core gay pornography and he was enjoying it!”

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Tigger2  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:34:23pm

re: #169 Anymouse

The RINO Republican in question is a former senator.

No sitting GOP senator is doing that though my senator, Ben Sasse is still holding out against Trump … we had a state senator shift from the GOP to the Libertarian Party … if Ben Sasse keeps getting all the derp on his Facebook page and Twitter account from around the country calling him a traitor and such, I can see him saying screw it and join the LP as well. However, he is too socially conservative for most of the LP. He may also be hanging on hoping he can try to lead the party back from the utter disaster it is facing in the upcoming election as someone who is sane.

I’m just thinking about votes for Hillary. Any that get taken away from the Republicans helps.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:34:56pm

re: #159 Reality Based Steve

Yea, Potluck Protestants just doesn’t have the same ring I guess.

RBS

I’ve been to a few potluck suppers. I can stand the rubber chicken, but that ghastly green bean casserole that seems to appear only at church events would be enough to condemn them to Purgatory; if they believed in it.

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gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:35:10pm
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Great White Snark  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:35:57pm

Sad and true as hell.

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gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:39:05pm

re: #176 gocart mozart

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:39:08pm

re: #176 gocart mozart

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Maybe we should bring back tomato throwing.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:41:50pm

re: #167 Eric The Fruit Bat

I love how Mr. Clifford claims Jesus wrote the entire Old Testament:

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He belongs to the branch of Christianity that believes the Son was already alive at the moment of Creation, which the Son instigated. IOW, they believe Jesus is the Creator, not the Father. Corollary to that belief is that the OT was the inspired word of Jesus.

The first time I heard this theology I was speechless. My Presbyterian brain locked up, unable to form a response.

It’s bad enough imagining God let his Son die on the Cross for reasons, but even stranger to imagine Jesus set up the entire universe so he himself could die on the Cross.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:42:37pm
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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:44:50pm

re: #169 Anymouse

The RINO Republican in question is a former senator.

No sitting GOP senator is doing that though my senator, Ben Sasse is still holding out against Trump … we had a state senator shift from the GOP to the Libertarian Party … if Ben Sasse keeps getting all the derp on his Facebook page and Twitter account from around the country calling him a traitor and such, I can see him saying screw it and join the LP as well. However, he is too socially conservative for most of the LP. He may also be hanging on hoping he can try to lead the party back from the utter disaster it is facing in the upcoming election as someone who is sane.

In a normal year a sitting senator endorsing the other party’s nominee (or a third party nominee), would likely mean a primary challenge in their next election. Given what little I can find on Sasse, it looks like joining the LP or Dems would be a nonstarter. And depending on what happens with the party, being in position to be the voice of reason as the party goes into the wilderness can be good for his political future.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:45:45pm

Samantha Bee used the following verse for those who want to pray for those affected:

“In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.”
- James 2:17

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whitebeach  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:45:55pm

re: #173 Kragar

Just pictured LaBarbera, Matt Barber, and Bryan Fischer learning about Jim Hoft.

“All those hours we spent together researching hard core gay pornography and he was enjoying it!”

So were they.

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gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:47:22pm
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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:48:51pm

re: #180 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He belongs to the branch of Christianity that believes the Son was already alive at the moment of Creation, which the Son instigated. IOW, they believe Jesus is the Creator, not the Father. Corollary to that belief is that the OT was the inspired word of Jesus.

The first time I heard this theology I was speechless. My Presbyterian brain locked up, unable to form a response.

It’s bad enough imagining God let his Son die on the Cross for reasons, but even stranger to imagine Jesus set up the entire universe so he himself could die on the Cross.

Well, if Christian theology (as held today) believes that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God (three in one), then they are interchangeable. Father creates Universe, Jesus creates Universe, all the same. (I dunno, I am just the atheist who works here, I don’t claim to understand the flavours of Christianity myself.)

There is an interesting lesson series I obtained from a company that puts college courses on CD from a theology professor at Duke University called Early Christianity. He goes into all the various sects of Christianity, what they believed, which slaughtered whomever, and how the Roman Catholic Church came up on top of four centuries of internecine warfare.

(Once the RCC locked up the Christian faith, they then took the war to the Muslims, but that is another lesson series I have not obtained yet, on the expansion of Islam and the Crusades. I am familiar with the Reconquista of Spain having lived there for three years.)

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withak  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:48:57pm

re: #183 Belafon

Samantha Bee used the following verse for those who want to pray for those affected:

“In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.”
- James 2:17

If I were a braver, more confrontational soul on Facebook, I would have used that verse quite liberally over the last 24 hours.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:49:11pm

re: #180 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He belongs to the branch of Christianity that believes the Son was already alive at the moment of Creation, which the Son instigated. IOW, they believe Jesus is the Creator, not the Father. Corollary to that belief is that the OT was the inspired word of Jesus.

The first time I heard this theology I was speechless. My Presbyterian brain locked up, unable to form a response.

It’s bad enough imagining God let his Son die on the Cross for reasons, but even stranger to imagine Jesus set up the entire universe so he himself could die on the Cross.

The whole “Jesus died for our sins, thus fulfilling the prophecy of the messiah (even though the prophecy implied a kingdom on earth not in heaven)” was what first got me reconsidering Christianity. Jesus dying seemed like a retcon moment

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withak  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:50:28pm

re: #180 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He belongs to the branch of Christianity that believes the Son was already alive at the moment of Creation, which the Son instigated. IOW, they believe Jesus is the Creator, not the Father. Corollary to that belief is that the OT was the inspired word of Jesus.

The first time I heard this theology I was speechless. My Presbyterian brain locked up, unable to form a response.

It’s bad enough imagining God let his Son die on the Cross for reasons, but even stranger to imagine Jesus set up the entire universe so he himself could die on the Cross.

This sounds eerily like the plot of Interstellar.

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gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:51:47pm
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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:54:13pm

re: #178 gocart mozart

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gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:54:32pm
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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:55:21pm

re: #188 KGxvi

The whole “Jesus died for our sins, thus fulfilling the prophecy of the messiah (even though the prophecy implied a kingdom on earth not in heaven)” was what first got me reconsidering Christianity. Jesus dying seemed like a retcon moment

The trinity is not mentioned in the Bible, and I went to go find a description of it, and was not convinced it’s even implied: gci.org. Personally, I think Christianity makes less since if there is a trinity, for the reason you said. The most important event in Christianity is Jesus sacrificing himself for our sins. If he is God, then it’s not really a sacrifice.

Just to point it out, I am an atheist.

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withak  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:58:20pm

re: #193 Belafon

The trinity is not mentioned in the Bible, and I went to go find a description of it, and was not convinced it’s even implied: gci.org. Personally, I think Christianity makes less since if there is a trinity, for the reason you said. The most important event in Christianity is Jesus sacrificing himself for our sins. If he is God, then it’s not really a sacrifice.

Just to point it out, I am an atheist.

I was raised Catholic; thankfully, it didn’t take. The “holy spirit” thing was, by far, the most bizarre theological concept I encountered, aside from transubstantiation.

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whitebeach  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:59:56pm

re: #180 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s bad enough imagining God let his Son die on the Cross for reasons, but even stranger to imagine Jesus set up the entire universe so he himself could die on the Cross.

Others have said this before: The entire message of the New Testament as fundies see it boils down to God sacrificed himself to himself to save you from himself.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:59:58pm

Last line of storms about to move through, and are collapsing as they approach town.

There is no place safe in the USA. Earthquakes in the West and Oklahoma, wingnut sovereign citizens all over the Intermountain West, tornado alley across the Midwest and west Dixie, hurricanes along the Gulf and Atlantic, a wingnut in charge of Maine, and a fascist talking yam for President.

This place is a place of sanity though.

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withak  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:02:46pm

re: #196 Anymouse

Last line of storms about to move through, and are collapsing as they approach town.

There is no place safe in the USA. Earthquakes in the West and Oklahoma, wingnut sovereign citizens all over the Intermountain West, tornado alley across the Midwest and west Dixie, hurricanes along the Gulf and Atlantic, a wingnut in charge of Maine, and a fascist talking yam for President.

This place is a place of sanity though.

As much as I fear tornadoes, I’d much rather deal with them than earthquakes, landslides, or hurricanes.

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:02:57pm

re: #196 Anymouse

Last line of storms about to move through, and are collapsing as they approach town.

There is no place safe in the USA. Earthquakes in the West and Oklahoma, wingnut sovereign citizens all over the Intermountain West, tornado alley across the Midwest and west Dixie, hurricanes along the Gulf and Atlantic, a wingnut in charge of Maine, and a fascist talking yam for President.

This place is a place of sanity though.

You can’t even escape to a deserted island, pretty soon rising sea levels will wipe your new home out. What a planet we’ve made for ourselves! Can you imagine being a species from another planet, and coming here to see what horrors humanity has made for fellow humans, animals, and the pollution of the planet itself? I am embarrassed.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:03:49pm

re: #196 Anymouse

Last line of storms about to move through, and are collapsing as they approach town.

There is no place safe in the USA. Earthquakes in the West and Oklahoma, wingnut sovereign citizens all over the Intermountain West, tornado alley across the Midwest and west Dixie, hurricanes along the Gulf and Atlantic, a wingnut in charge of Maine, and a fascist talking yam for President.

This place is a place of sanity though.

If you look up tornado alley for the world, it’s called the United States.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:04:41pm

re: #195 whitebeach

Others have said this before: The entire message of the New Testament as fundies see it boils down to God sacrificed himself to himself to save you from himself.

I’ve sometimes asked the question “Does God punish children for the sins of their parents?”, and the answer is always a resounding “No, of course not!” Then I ask why all of mankind are punished and condemned for the sin of Adam and Eve?

Things usually go rather poorly from that point.

RBS

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:06:20pm

re: #200 Reality Based Steve

I’ve sometimes asked the question “Does God punish children for the sins of their parents?”, and the answer is always a resounding “No, of course not!” Then I ask why all of mankind are punished and condemned for the sin of Adam and Eve?

Things usually go rather poorly from that point.

RBS

That and all the passages in the Old Testament where he does precisely that.

But but Big Geyh! Abortion!!!1!!!uno!!! eleventy!1121!!!

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:07:51pm

re: #200 Reality Based Steve

I’ve sometimes asked the question “Does God punish children for the sins of their parents?”, and the answer is always a resounding “No, of course not!” Then I ask why all of mankind are punished and condemned for the sin of Adam and Eve?

Things usually go rather poorly from that point.

RBS

I don’t consider it punishment that I have to wear clothes to feel comfortable when I go in public. I am ugly.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:08:26pm

re: #194 withak

The Trinity and Holy Spirit were the dealbreakers for me.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:09:00pm

re: #195 whitebeach

Others have said this before: The entire message of the New Testament as fundies see it boils down to God sacrificed himself to himself to save you from himself.

Circular reasoning, which is pretty much what a lot of Christian theology is about.

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:10:09pm

Finally, another thing we can congratulate The God-Emperor on. He was right! Here is one of the “thousands” that celebrated after 9/11

newsday.com

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:11:23pm

re: #77 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Maybe try to Head East?

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In middle school I used to hang out at a kid’s house in Champaign that frequently had a Head East tour truck parked outside. I think his mom was dating someone from the band.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:13:44pm

re: #180 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s bad enough imagining God let his Son die on the Cross for reasons, but even stranger to imagine Jesus set up the entire universe so he himself could die on the Cross.

But of course, he actually didn’t die on the cross-he resurrected himself 3 days later, if you want to follow this line.

Does this particular strain of Christianity have a name?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:17:11pm

re: #198 Shimshon

Can you imagine being a species from another planet, and coming here to see what horrors humanity has made for fellow humans, animals, and the pollution of the planet itself? I am embarrassed.

When an alien race deploys their sensors in the center of the US, they’ll encounter two big things: a bunch of methane and a huge amount of radiation in the AM frequency band.

Yep: cow farts; Rush Limbaugh and other rightwing whackos.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:17:42pm

re: #186 Anymouse

Well, if Christian theology (as held today) believes that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God (three in one), then they are interchangeable. Father creates Universe, Jesus creates Universe, all the same. (I dunno, I am just the atheist who works here, I don’t claim to understand the flavours of Christianity myself.)

There is an interesting lesson series I obtained from a company that puts college courses on CD from a theology professor at Duke University called Early Christianity. He goes into all the various sects of Christianity, what they believed, which slaughtered whomever, and how the Roman Catholic Church came up on top of four centuries of internecine warfare.

(Once the RCC locked up the Christian faith, they then took the war to the Muslims, but that is another lesson series I have not obtained yet, on the expansion of Islam and the Crusades. I am familiar with the Reconquista of Spain having lived there for three years.)

The question of the trinity and Jesus’ place wrt God was one of those sectarian issues back then. Specifically, how divine was Jesus? Was he like one of the Greek demigods, like Herakles or Achilles, an almost-immortal? Was he immortal like his Father, suggesting he couldn’t die at all? Did God revoke that immortality so he could die on the Cross? Or was he just a regular human gifted with special powers and a direct line to God? Plus many others.

The theology in question attempts to simplify these burning issues by claiming Jesus has always been around, biding his time in Heaven until he got the word to take human form for three or so decades before returning to Heaven to wait even longer for a second return. This proposal makes even less sense than the others — or maybe as much sense, since theology is basically all about talking details about stuff that doesn’t exist.

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makeitstop  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:18:14pm

Drumpf: People Can ‘Figure Out’ My Comments About Obama, Radical Islam

Speaking of Obama talking about Orlando….

“There was certainly not a lot of passion,” Drumpf told Carr of Obama. “There was certainly not a lot of anger.”

Of course not, asshole. Obama knows better than to rule by anger.

Trump is running for Hothead in Chief.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:20:15pm

re: #207 Eric The Fruit Bat

But of course, he actually didn’t die on the cross-he resurrected himself 3 days later, if you want to follow this line.

Does this particular strain of Christianity have a name?

I’ve forgotten it, if I ever learned what it was. It was presented to me at a Pentecostal church in Kentucky, so it might be related to Assembly of God beliefs.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:22:18pm

re: #210 makeitstop

Drumpf: People Can ‘Figure Out’ My Comments About Obama, Radical Islam

Speaking of Obama talking about Orlando….

Of course not, asshole. Obama knows better than to rule by anger.

Trump is running for Hothead in Chief.

Trump doesn’t know what Obama does off camera. Maybe he has a punching bag in the WH gym.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:22:22pm

Per the earlier discussion, here’s an article that lays out the timeline for the Orlando shooting and has some more details. The off-duty officer was apparently not necessarily at the door when it started because he was chasing down a teenager who used a fake ID to get into the club, according to the article.

He couldn’t find the kid, so he headed back to the club’s parking lot.

That’s when the shots rang out.

Those shots signaled the beginning of a three-hour nightmare that ended with Orlando becoming ground zero for the deadliest shooting in U.S. history.

Warning, autoplay video at the link.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:22:26pm

re: #210 makeitstop

Drumpf: People Can ‘Figure Out’ My Comments About Obama, Radical Islam

Speaking of Obama talking about Orlando….

Of course not, asshole. Obama knows better than to rule by anger.

Trump is running for Hothead in Chief.

Here is the money quote for me. Donald Trump on Monday refused to clarify what he meant when he said “there’s something going on” with President Obama’s refusal to use the term “radical Islamic terrorism” and said he’d leave it up to others to interpret his comments instead.

“Well, you know, I’ll let people figure that out for themselves Howie,” the presumptive GOP nominee told WRKO radio host Howie Carr,

Unsaid: Because that way I can’t be held accountable for what I’ve said, and how can I help it if somebody makes the wrong interpretation of that. Now will no one rid me of that meddlesome reporter?

RBS

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mmmirele  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:22:29pm

re: #129 teleskiguy

This is the same woman (Michele Fiore) who helped talk the last four Malheur holdouts into arresting surrendering (along with the execrable Franklin Graham).

Edit: because I am not that stupid.

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majii  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:24:41pm

re: #210 makeitstop

Well, a recent poll did show that the one thing most who say they plan to vote for Trump like about him is that he would “shake things up” in the country. The same poll showed that they don’t think he knows much, if anything, about national security, foreign policy, economics, healthcare, etc., but they do know they’d like to see the U.S. turned into their very own version of a Trump reality show.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:25:21pm

Well so I am off the Internet for three entire days and I log back on and this happens.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:25:28pm

re: #214 Reality Based Steve

Trump 2016: If you know what I mean…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:26:10pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:26:21pm

re: #217 The Vicious Babushka

I was off LGF for two days. Twitter, though. Fucking Twitter.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:26:51pm

re: #216 majii

Well, a recent poll did show that the one thing most who say they plan to vote for Trump like about him is that he would “shake things up” in the country. The same poll showed that they don’t think he knows much, of anything, about national security, foreign policy, economics, healthcare, etc., but they do know they’d like to see the U.S. turned into their very own version of a Trump reality show.

Putting a team of untrained chimpanzees in charge of the Watts Bar Nuclear Reactors would also shake things up, but I don’t recall anybody floating that as a positive.

RBS

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:28:37pm

Sunday night a bunch of people in my congregation were walking home from services, crossing the street when a car just accelerated into the crowd.

Struck a kid and broke his legs.

Police are investigating. Driver claimed it was not intentional, that the light turned green while the pedestrians were still in the middle of the street. What a dumb fucker.

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:28:45pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:29:42pm

Note: Donald J. Trump will turn 70 years old tomorrow (born in NYC, June 14, 1946).

Happy birthday, Donald. Enjoy your retirement.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:29:52pm

I don’t give a shit if the light turns green. If there are a bunch of pedestrians still in the crosswalk STOP YOUR FUCKING CAR.

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majii  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:30:51pm

re: #221 Reality Based Steve

This is the kind of nonsense we get when some voters crave drama. I can’t explain it, but I’ve never been attracted to reality shows. I used to watch the History Channel when it actually focused on topics related to history, but in the last few years, the HC has transformed into a network that features a lot of reality shows.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:31:43pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:32:14pm

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t give a shit if the light turns green. If there are a bunch of pedestrians still in the crosswalk STOP YOUR FUCKING CAR.

Common fucking sense. A human at 150 lbs. walking forward at 3 m.p.h. is going to incur severe damage from a vehicle that weighs almost a ton travelling at 30 m.p.h. or more.

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majii  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:32:39pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel

Yeah, but according to Trump, it’s HRC who is too old to be our next POTUS.
She’s low energy, you know./s/

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makeitstop  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:32:56pm

re: #223 Kragar

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Hell, they kicked the shit out of Limbaugh.

Here’s hoping LaPierre is next.

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electrotek  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:33:40pm

re: #227 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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The news link described him as a Hindu, but his name is Imran Yousuf? I find that quite odd.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:35:56pm

re: #222 The Vicious Babushka

Sunday night a bunch of people in my congregation were walking home from services, crossing the street when a car just accelerated into the crowd.

Struck a kid and broke his legs.

Police are investigating. Driver claimed it was not intentional, that the light turned green while the pedestrians were still in the middle of the street. What a dumb fucker.

That is why the insurance and safety agencies are moving more and more from using the term “Accident” which implies out of the drivers control and using the real word “Crash”, which implies that it was precipitated by the drivers action or lack of attention.

How stupid does one have to be to see if the roadway is clear before stepping on the gas?

RBS

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:36:09pm

re: #229 majii

Yeah, but according to Trump, it’s HRC who is too old to be our next POTUS.
She’s low energy, you know./s/

The Donald™, who grants InfoWars press credentials and not The Washington Post, is probably taking this shit. It keeps him sharp, believe me.

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:37:01pm

Talk is in the air for the villain in the Deadpool sequel.

The word is Taskmaster.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:39:31pm

re: #234 Kragar

Talk is in the air for the villain in the Deadpool sequel.

The word is Taskmaster.

Does 20th Century Fox have the rights to Taskmaster? Or is there going to be some sort of negotiation again to get something cool in the MCU?

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:41:30pm

re: #226 majii

This is the kind of nonsense we get when some voters crave drama. I can’t explain it, but I’ve never been attracted to reality shows. I used to watch the History Channel when it actually focused on topics related to history, but in the last few years, the HC has transformed into a network that features a lot of reality shows.

Because it’s a lot cheaper than actually doing research on a topic, assembling experts in the field, you know, expensive shit.

Many people aren’t aware that the whole “Reality Show Boom” came as the result of the network writers strike. The networks needed to fill that airtime, and came up with the idea of the ‘Reality Show’. Minimal writing required (and what was required could be done by non-union managment), production costs were low, and it just took off.

Yea, I remember when the History Channel was all about history, A&E had a strong connection to Arts and Education, you could actually learn valuable things at TLC, and the Discovery Channel was the BOMB for science.

Yea, it sucks.

RBS

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:41:46pm

re: #235 KGxvi

Nothing official yet, just people involved kicking around names, but at high levels.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:44:44pm

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Great White Snark  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:52:19pm
CHARLESTOWN, Ind. (AP) — An Indiana man arrested in California over the weekend with three assault rifles had been ordered by a judge in April to give up all his guns, but authorities in his home state said Monday they had not made any surprise checks to confirm he was following the probation requirement.

James Wesley Howell was arrested early Sunday in Santa Monica, California, with the weapons and explosives in a car he apparently drove from Indiana. He told police he was headed to a gay pride event in West Hollywood that attracts hundreds of thousands of people.

bigstory.ap.org

At some point someone may say we do need to do a better job of enforcing the laws already on the books on gun control. I don’t think I’ll disagree.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:56:20pm

I’m sorry. We need to track firearms and who owns them in this country. People who seek to acquire firearms need to be interviewed by the local police for competency and they need to register their firearms’ serial numbers to local police. This free-for-all bullshit we’ve experienced since George W. Bush let the “assault weapons ban” expire in 2004 has gotten out of hand.

Notice how all these motherfucking mass shooters are males in their prime.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:56:55pm

The NRA’s new take is that the FBI failed because of “political correctness.”

Because the NRA are the people I trust to tell the FBI how to investigate someone, and they totally know what they’re talking about.

No Monday morning quarterbacking at all// Not a convenient parsing of available information to fit a preconceived narrative// Nope//

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:58:58pm

I’m off to bed. Catch all you lizards later. If any of you need any help to get through the night, may I recommend….

RBS

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:00:28pm

re: #240 teleskiguy

I say this as a gun owner. My guns are voluntarily registered with the county, and if I choose I can have them stored in their armory (I keep them at my house).

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electrotek  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:00:38pm

Facebook Post

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:04:16pm

Did this contemptible fucker actually say this? I look forward to video.

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majii  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:05:45pm

re: #239 Great White Snark

Although those who know Howell describe him as having a bad temper, his dad is saying he’s shocked that Howell was arrested with guns. His ex-boyfriend describes him as being “explosive.” Howell even pulled a rifle on his ex-boyfriend. Imagine that. Unless they were poor parents, either Howell’s mother or father had to know he had a problem with anger.

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majii  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:09:24pm

re: #245 teleskiguy

In light of this latest O’Reilly rant, it’s no wonder that critics ridiculed his book on Lincoln. Dude writes history based not on what actually happened but on what he thinks should have happened. He’s a lot like Trump in that he doesn’t take criticism well at all.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:11:24pm
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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:12:11pm

re: #247 majii

In light of this latest O’Reilly rant, it’s no wonder that critics ridiculed his book on Lincoln. Dude writes history based not on what actually happened but on what he thinks should have happened. He’s a lot like Trump in that he doesn’t take criticism well at all.

You mean Abe Lincoln wasn’t also a Vampire Slayer?

RBS

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:14:03pm
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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:15:46pm

I made a huge mistake. I went to the front page of reddit. Oh God, The_Donald and 4chan have ruined every big sub. Summer time with all the kids out of school now amplifies it. I need another shower and some more beer.

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majii  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:18:57pm

re: #249 Reality Based Steve

The man has clearly demonstrated over time that he has no use for facts and creates his own reality. Remember, he was in the thick of the fighting in several Central and South American countries in the 1980s and 1990s even though other news reporters and staff who were in those nations and on-scene at the same time he was there say the things he claims happened to him never happened. He’s a hero in his own mind.

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whitebeach  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:19:02pm

re: #238 teleskiguy

Good for you. One thing that makes me SMH is when people, including some lizards, talk about the crap their nutjob relatives or friends have laid on them, and then shrug it off with something like “I didn’t argue because family” or whatever. For Christ’s sake, if you can’t tell your own family when you think they’re way off base, how are you gonna persuade anyone else? And the nutjob relatives certainly aren’t shy about giving you their crazed ravings, so what do you lose by being honest?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:26:35pm

re: #142 Kragar

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Teukka  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:41:32pm

re: #109 Shimshon

The police tread carefully if it can be a hostage situation. They did not expect him to be a mass murderer, unfortunately. It’s like all the passengers on the 9/11 flights, they figured the hijackers just wanted to fly somewhere and land.

Police here in Sweden no longer don’t after the Utøya attacks. The response to a mass slaying is that the first patrol on scene enter and do what it can to neutralize and contain the threat. This standard operational procedure has already been put to the test in the Trollhättan School Attack. First patrol on scene entered neutralized the sword-wielding racist. Number of dead 4, number of injured 1. Time from the first 112 call (EU equiv. of 911) to the first 2 man patrol arriving was something on the order of 8 minutes.

Swedish police are also being trained for and issued civilian version Ak 5’s (modified FN FNC assault rifle).

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vgranucci  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:10:06pm

re: #197 withak

As much as I fear tornadoes, I’d much rather deal with them than earthquakes, landslides, or hurricanes.

I’ll take the earthquakes. They’re over in less than a minute, and when they stop, your stuff is dry and isn’t halfway to the next county.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:42:20pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel

Note: Donald J. Trump will turn 70 years old tomorrow (born in NYC, June 14, 1946).

Happy birthday, Donald. Enjoy your retirement.

I’m back (pesky power outage).

Trump born on Flag Day. There ought to be a law against fascists being born on Flag Day.


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