Monday Night Jam: Mark Lettieri, “Everybody Wants to Rule the World”

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This cover of the now-classic Tears For Fears song is so good, with electric guitar and pedal steel trading off on the melody.

iTunes: https://itun.es/us/gIehcb
Bandcamp: https://marklettieri.bandcamp.com/

From the album Spark and Echo, on Ropeadope Records.

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“Everybody Wants to Rule the World” written by Roland Orzabal, Ian Stanley, and Chris Hughes. Arranged by Mark Lettieri.

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Mark Lettieri: electric, acoustic, baritone, and Hammertone guitars, synths and loops
Jason “JT” Thomas: drums and percussion
Wes Stephenson: bass guitar
Shaun Martin: acoustic and electric piano, synths
Bobby Sparks: synths and clavinet
Milo Deering: pedal steel guitar, fiddle

Produced by Mark Lettieri
Co-produced, engineered, and mixed by Joey Lomas
Additional engineering by Bart Rose
Mastered by Scott Hull at Masterdisk, New York, NY

Recorded at Fort Worth Sound in Fort Worth, TX, Sherman Street Studios in Richardson, TX, and Patrick McGuire Recording in Arlington, TX

Filmed and edited by Andy Laviolette

© 1985 Virgin Music (Publishers) Ltd. & 10 Music, Ltd.

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:14:22pm
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TedStriker  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:19:53pm

Damn, this a fucking good cover, Charles; BTW, I LOL’ed at the bassist’s Wu-Tang shirt.

Now, depression sets in, because I grew up on this song and others on MTV and the local Top 40 stations…the original is over 30 years old now.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:22:02pm

Joel Cummins, keyboard player for Umphrey’s McGee, was waxing poetic on Twitter about Tears For Fears today.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:27:24pm

Bah. Dead-thread-posted again.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:29:48pm

I had looked up Tears for Fears a few months ago and found out they had gotten back together and are touring again.

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guachi  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:43:47pm

One of my top five favorite pop songs, so I’m fairly picky about a cover.

This one is great. Keeps the same laid back tone and the melody trade off is lovely.

A stand out song from a stand out year (1985) in pop music.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:48:58pm

And the property owners near this are all like NIMBY.

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:52:13pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

My surprise, let me…
Aw, shit! NIMBY’s in my town are like that.
But we at least got an MJ dispensary that no one else in Massachusetts got permitted—there’s that!

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:56:46pm

Can’t listen to this song without thinking of Real Genius.

smart people on ice.AVI

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TedStriker  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:02:59pm

re: #9 Romantic Heretic

Can’t listen to this song without thinking of Real Genius.

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Chris: “I was thinking about the immortal words of Socrates, who said, “I drank what?”“

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Jenner7  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:05:40pm

I watched O’Reilly on Colbert and thought it was pretty tame, but I missed a couple minutes of it. He didn’t appear drunk. He talked out of his ass, as usual, though.

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Jenner7  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:11:04pm

G’night. Be back in the morning.

Hope to see Bernie suspend campaign either Tuesday night or Wednesday.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:30:04pm

Rage Furby is up to his usual tricks. He’s going after Omar Mateen’s brother-in-law now. The brother-in-law incidentally doesn’t like Donald Trump, which apparently is enough for Rage Furby to want him deported.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:30:05pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

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And the property owners near this are all like NIMBY.

I presume you’re OK with it as long as skiing is either not effected or enhanced. ;)

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majii  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:44:59pm

re: #13 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rage Furby is doing exactly what Trump wants his supporters to do—-attack others based on guilt by association. We should remember that Trump wants to detain the family members of terrorists whether they’ve committed any crime or not. The evil is spreading, and since Trump said he’s going to leave it up to the people to figure out what he meant when he said, “There’s something going on with the president,” Rage Furby is taking it to the next level. If a member of his family committed a heinous crime, he’d be outraged if anyone tried to blame him for the family member’s decision, but he considers attacks on Mateen’s brother necessary and justified.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:51:09pm

re: #15 majii

Rage Furby is doing exactly what Trump wants his supporters to do—-attack others based on guilt by association. We should remember that Trump wants to detain the family members of terrorists whether they’ve committed any crime or not. The evil is spreading, and since Trump said he’s going to leave it up to the people to figure out what he meant when he said, “There’s something going on with the president,” Rage Furby is taking it to the next level. If a member of his family committed a heinous crime, he’d be outraged if anyone tried to blame him for the family member’s decision, but he considers attacks on Mateen’s brother necessary and justified.

This has always been Chuck’s MO: doxxing a victim, especially if the victim is dead, and every member of his or her family, to find anything Chuck can use to discredit them. If the victims of a murder are black or Muslim, he will blame the victims for their own deaths. If the shooter is black or Muslim, he will implicate friends and family members. Only white men get a pass in the Rage Furby world.

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Lidane  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:52:59pm

re: #9 Romantic Heretic

Real Genius is one of my all-time favorite films. I even saw it in the theaters back when I was in high school. Love love love that movie.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:57:31pm

Mr. Trump was born on Flag Day the year after WW2 was over (1946).

The flag is flying at half-mast today for the mass murder at the LGBT club in Orlando.

There ought to be a law against fascist talking yams from being born on Flag Day.

Better yet, we can borrow President Obama’s time machine and ship Mr. Trump back to Germany around the middle of WW2 in Europe. My guess with his mouth he wouldn’t last five minutes before the Gestapo hauled him off.

Actually, I just want to see him lose in a historic landslide that would have made Alf Landon blush.

Minor thunderstorms now; the worst of the weather is over here. (I got knocked off by a power failure.)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:04:16pm
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Lidane  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:08:18pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:39:27pm

Good morning Lizards.

Just outside of Paris today. Headed to Versailles today, and then into Paris again afterwards. Yesterday was the Museum of Natural Science.

Main media story here today is the murder of two policemen in Paris - apparently as a revenge killing for the arrests following the terrorist attacks. Pretty much the only subject covered for the last half hour.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:10:12am

Good stuff. Although the fact that my dad might vote for Trump in November makes me want to kill myself.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:39:35am

This was nice to hear from my dad’s eldest child, my sister Gretchen (one of three, no brothers):

Hugs - remember that we have Dad beat so stick your fingers in your ears and say lalalalala when he starts going off on his rants. Big sis’ orders! slightsmile emoticon

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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:56:55am

re: #23 teleskiguy
Believe me, the world wouldn’t be the same without you. You just don’t know how wonderful a person you are. Your sister is right. Sometimes you have to tune even your loved ones out when they start talking sh*t. After my dad died, two of my brothers went nuts because they were so sure I and another sibling was keeping their inheritance from them. After they kept showing their behinds and raising a ruckus, I cut them out of my life. It was about three years before I was face-to-face with them and we were able to have a decent, civil conversation again. Take care of yourself. I’m going to try to go to sleep now. I am plagued by insomnia most nights. Tonight I’m going to take a valium and get some rest. I have a very busy day tomorrow because I have a little business I need to attend to.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:00:33am

re: #24 majii

Believe me, the world wouldn’t be the same without you. You just don’t know how wonderful a person you are.

I’m crying.

I read that while listening to this, a band from Georgia:

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:30:00am

I goddamned need to get over myself. Who the fuck knows how or when that fucking happens.

Remember, I’m a nobody.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:52:31am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:05:57am

re: #27 Kragar

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Up at 4 AM, preparing mentally for my hobby—keeping this place from falling to crap. Today’s activity is replacing the garage door springs, one of the DIY projects with a significant fatality rate. At least that’s what the many Youtube instructionals say.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:18:58am

re: #28 Decatur Deb

Up at 4 AM, preparing mentally for my hobby—keeping this place from falling to crap. Today’s activity is replacing the garage door springs, one of the DIY projects with a significant fatality rate. At least that’s what the many Youtube instructionals say.

For dog’s sake be careful! I like to lost a hand just from the springs in drum brakes a couple of times….

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Ming5000  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:20:11am

re: #28 Decatur Deb

Good luck with that. When I saw “garage door springs” my mind jumped to injury and danger, and then I saw the word “fatality”.

Be careful! (by following all the best advice and don’t cut corners to save a few minutes)

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:26:32am

re: #28 Decatur Deb

Up at 4 AM, preparing mentally for my hobby—keeping this place from falling to crap. Today’s activity is replacing the garage door springs, one of the DIY projects with a significant fatality rate. At least that’s what the many Youtube instructionals say.

One of mine broke a few years back and all the stored energy went off like a bomb, scared the absolute shit out of me.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:32:47am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:39:27am

re: #29 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

re: #30 Ming5000

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

“If you do it right, it won’t kill you.” That’s what my jumpmaster used to say.

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Ming5000  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:43:18am

re: #32 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I wonder what form of unity the other press will take. Will they stand with the WP, or will they be nicer to Trump?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:48:32am

Well, I was morally certain that neither Adam Smith nor Patty Murray nor Maria Cantwell took any money from the NRA, but it’s nice to see it in black and white.

Check out your representatives and give them Hell, as needed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:50:21am

re: #34 Ming5000

I wonder what form of unity the other press will take. Will they stand with the WP, or will they be nicer to Trump?

Trump is ratings gold. But the news media are starting to learn that it does not matter to the ratings whether you are praising or trashing him at this point…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:51:21am

re: #34 Ming5000

I wonder what form of unity the other press will take. Will they stand with the WP, or will they be nicer to Trump?

It’s not like they need to be physically present to find out what he says. I’m starting to sense a note of exasperation in a lot of press outlets that I’ve never seen with a candidate before.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:51:51am

re: #35 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, I was morally certain that neither Adam Smith nor Patty Murray nor Maria Cantwell took any money from the NRA, but it’s nice to see it in black and white.

Check out your representatives and give them Hell, as needed.

Very nice utility. One of my senators and my rep went for a pittance. Strangely, Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions The Third didn’t get NRA money this cycle.

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Ming5000  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:57:08am

re: #35 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Check out your representatives and give them Hell, as needed.

Whelp, my Representative is Sander Levin, so no NRA money. My Senators, Gary Peters and Debbie Stabenow, took no money.

Nice app. Easy to use, and they include a way to reach out to them right from the page.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 3:03:21am

That’s not much of a margin for Georgia, and during his securing-the-nomination bounce. I’m beginning to become cautiously optimistic. Of course, he thinks it’s great:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 3:21:41am

re: #40 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That’s not much of a margin for Georgia, and during his securing-the-nomination bounce. I’m beginning to become cautiously optimistic. Of course, he thinks it’s great:

I assume that Clinton has already written off GA and much of the Deep South anyways…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 3:26:09am

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume that Clinton has already written off GA and much of the Deep South anyways…

I’m hoping they’re reevaluating now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 3:27:54am

re: #42 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m hoping they’re reevaluating now.

I am sure they are already looking at states that were once considered GOP shoo-ins, like Utah.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2016 • 3:35:35am

Poor Busters.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2016 • 3:40:54am

re: #42 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m hoping they’re reevaluating now.

There’s no reason to spend any money trying to flip Georgia except maybe as a feint to make Trump waste even more money there. Trump is already vowing to fight for NY and CA where he doesn’t stand a chance and is looks like he’s going to be cash poor in the general. Clinton should play it smart and use the targeted data analysis that carried Obama to the White House twice. That means targeting easily winnable swing states like Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Ohio, etc. Trump as to win virtually all of those.

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 4:28:03am

Great news everybody!!!

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fern01  Jun 14, 2016 • 4:35:19am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am sure they are already looking at states that were once considered GOP shoo-ins, like Utah.

Given his current behavior and the somewhat amazing turnaround of the press - if Trump remains the nominee he could win fewer states than Goldwater.

“Before the Orlando shooting, Beltway analysts speculated about how a terrorist attack might affect the presidential election. Now we know at least part of the answer: Mr. Trump would reveal himself more clearly than ever as a man unfit to lead.”

washingtonpost.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 4:45:06am

re: #47 fern01

Given his current behavior and the somewhat amazing turnaround of the press - if Trump remains the nominee he could win fewer states than Goldwater.

“Before the Orlando shooting, Beltway analysts speculated about how a terrorist attack might affect the presidential election. Now we know at least part of the answer: Mr. Trump would reveal himself more clearly than ever as a man unfit to lead.”

washingtonpost.com

This attack was a Rorschach test for America: Trump looked at it and saw only Islamic Terror and confirmation of his anti-Muslim immigration stance.

But step back and you see a socially marginalized, mentally unstable American-born citizen with a violent personality, a large chip on his shoulder and access to massive firepower.

In other words, a template that fits a lot of mass murderers.

Now it is coming out that he frequented the club he attacked and used a gay dating site. There is obviously a lot more to this story than can be conveyed through tweets, sound bytes or headlines…

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Joe Bacon  Jun 14, 2016 • 4:54:42am

re: #16 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

This has always been Chuck’s MO: doxxing a victim, especially if the victim is dead, and every member of his or her family, to find anything Chuck can use to discredit them. If the victims of a murder are black or Muslim, he will blame the victims for their own deaths. If the shooter is black or Muslim, he will implicate friends and family members. Only white men get a pass in the Rage Furby world.

I’m thinking of one white man who happens to be a US Senator from Mississippi who didn’t get a pass from Ginger Snapped…

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Joe Bacon  Jun 14, 2016 • 4:57:04am

re: #22 teleskiguy

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Good stuff. Although the fact that my dad might vote for Trump in November makes me want to kill myself.

Count your blessings because I got a whole family who will walk over hot coals so they can vote for Trump.

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 14, 2016 • 4:57:30am

For whatever reason, I found this article about the blossoming Chinese wine market interesting. A few random quotes:

Chinese wines have received mixed reviews since they entered the international stage.

In some, critics have detected hints of “dirty sweat socks and cleaning fluid and a foul chemical taste” or even “a smell of baked dead mouse”. Others have deemed some Chinese wines “entirely respectable” and “competently made”, if lacking distinctiveness.

But vintners urgently need to tackle prejudice against made-in-China vintages. “Our people do not believe in our products,” she admits. “Even our toilets we buy from Japan. We buy milk powder for our babies from Hong Kong or France … I buy my toothpaste from Australia.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 4:58:02am

re: #49 Joe Bacon

I’m thinking of one white man who happens to be a US Senator from Mississippi who didn’t get a pass from Ginger Snapped…

Well, yeah, because he wasn’t conservative enough. And Menendez in NJ is a Democrat. Kevin McCarthy is a Republican who Chuck says had an affair with Renee Ellmers, another Republican.

Ted Cruz, on the other hand, was Chuck’s idol until Trump supplanted him. Neither of them can do anything wrong in Chuck’s mind.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:00:00am

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:01:02am

re: #53 Timothy Watson

Sorry about that…

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Joe Bacon  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:02:14am

re: #52 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You got that right!

I’m just waiting for the judge to lay the smack down on Ginger Snapped for pulling the no-show in his Gawker suit. I will savor every moment of that!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:03:37am

re: #51 Buyers Remorse

For whatever reason, I found this article about the blossoming Chinese wine market interesting. A few random quotes:

I’ve found the red wines here drinkable, if not especially wonderful. The cheaper bottles can indeed taste like industrial waste, but that’s true of China’s home brew, baijiu. The cheaper varieties could probably be used as paint stripper and engine parts cleaners.

The quote about Chinese not trusting Chinese products is very true, though. There have been food scandals involving milk, baby formula, sausage, cooking oil and milk candy, and that’s just in the eight years I’ve lived in China. Foreign cosmetics probably outsell domestic brands for the same reason. The Chinese equivalent of the FDA does not do its job.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:04:24am

The Daily News isn’t letting up it’s attacks on the NRA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:05:14am

re: #51 Buyers Remorse

For whatever reason, I found this article about the blossoming Chinese wine market interesting. A few random quotes:

Australian wines also had a similar reputation

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:05:22am

re: #55 Joe Bacon

You got that right!

I’m just waiting for the judge to lay the smack down on Ginger Snapped for pulling the no-show in his Gawker suit. I will savor every moment of that!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:06:16am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Australian wines also had a similar reputation

And those are actually pretty good, too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:07:21am

re: #60 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And those are actually pretty good, too.

Cloudy Bay from New Zealand is absolutely world-class

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:10:32am
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BlueGrl21  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:16:13am

Now, y’all don’t fret over your relatives. Remember when Pres. Obama won term #2, how they went into fits of rage and despondency and shaved their heads and wept aloud in the streets about the End Times?

This is going to be so much worse. Trump is not only going to lose, he’s going to get his ridiculous ass handed to him by a woman, and a Clinton to boot. The ripple effects are going to hit Congress as seats peel off. They’re going to lose states that haven’t been in play in my 43 years on earth.

And we will give them a hug, hand them a drink, and remind them if we can survive Speaker Newt Gingrich, they too can endure.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:18:31am

re: #63 BlueGrl21

And we will give them a hug, hand them a drink, and remind them if we can survive Speaker Newt Gingrich, they too can endure.

If they can learn from their mistakes, they will endure.

But they will take from this that Trump was not True Conservative enough and double down on the ideology

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:21:32am

re: #62 Dr. Matt

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The counter argument is that the Constitution does not guarantee the right to bear box cutters or liquids on airplanes….

But neither does it guarantee the right to bear arms outside of a well regulated militia.

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:24:27am

At the moment of this comment, the local news had only reported a few of the known cases then. Now the details are much more clear.

No matter how it’s sliced, it’s a tragedy.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:26:26am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Constitution can be changed. It’s looooong overdue to overhaul the 2A. If Trump and the GOP do go down like the Titanic in November, the Dems get grow a pair and make real changes.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:26:34am
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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:27:42am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The counter argument is that the Constitution does not guarantee the right to bear box cutters or liquids on airplanes….

But neither does it guarantee the right to bear arms outside of a well regulated militia.

But bayonets were commonly issued weapons (“arms”) at the founding of the country and the writing of the Constitution.

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:29:48am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If they can learn from their mistakes, they will endure.

But they will take from this that Trump was not True Conservative enough and double down on the ideology

Exactly. Talk Radio has convinced them that Dems are Evil and Talk Radio thrives under Dem presidents. The rhetoric will only get worse.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:30:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:32:22am

re: #67 Dr. Matt

The Constitution can be changed. It’s looooong overdue to overhaul the 2A. If Trump and the GOP do go down like the Titanic in November, the Dems get grow a pair and make real changes.

That will not happen, I just want to see the first clause of the 2A stressed over the second.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:33:06am

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That will not happen, I just want to see the first clause of the 2A stressed over the second.

That’s not going to happen.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:34:04am
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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:35:01am

re: #28 Decatur Deb

Up at 4 AM, preparing mentally for my hobby—keeping this place from falling to crap. Today’s activity is replacing the garage door springs, one of the DIY projects with a significant fatality rate. At least that’s what the many Youtube instructionals say.

Purchase your replacement spring(s) from a local garage door supply/repair shop.

The owner/service guy will tell you how many turns needed to properly tension the assist springs.

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt; skipped the tattoo.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:38:14am

re: #63 BlueGrl21

Now, y’all don’t fret over your relatives. Remember when Pres. Obama won term #2, how they went into fits of rage and despondency and shaved their heads and wept aloud in the streets about the End Times?

This is going to be so much worse. Trump is not only going to lose, he’s going to get his ridiculous ass handed to him by a woman, and a Clinton to boot. The ripple effects are going to hit Congress as seats peel off. They’re going to lose states that haven’t been in play in my 43 years on earth.

And we will give them a hug, hand them a drink, and remind them if we can survive Speaker Newt Gingrich, they too can endure.

I happen to agree…but sometimes I am hesitant to think the right outcome will really happen. Something about many of our fellow American’s scare me. They are nuts. They tend to buy into stupid fears and do the wrong thing based on those fears.

I often mention I watch the first half hour of Morning Joke (20 minutes without commercials) to see what the Republican talking points for the day will be.

Today I ended up watching almost 2 hours because I was stunned that Joke was unloading on Trump and the entire Republican party for Trump’s over-the-top rhetoric on the Orlando shooter, his connections and how Obama seems to be allowing this to happen.

They mockingly asked if Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell would announce today they are pulling their endorsement of Trump? They joked about Kabul (Afghanistan) being in Queens NY.

They talked about the AR-15 and how they are not needed and how Reagan hated them and was for gun control and he was and still is the Republican Super Hero President so why do they like the man and not the thinking?

They joked about his taking on the media by threatening to ban the Washington Post from covering his campaign and how stupid that all is and what it says.

Amazing. I doubt I watch that much again, but today there seemed to be a reason to catch it.

Damn. Maybe there will really be a split in the Grand Ol’ Party.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:42:05am

re: #76 ObserverArt

Trump is ratings gold for news networks, but they are starting to cop on that he is still gold regardless of whether they are trashing him or singing his praises.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:44:03am

re: #52 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, yeah, because he wasn’t conservative enough. And Menendez in NJ is a Democrat. Kevin McCarthy is a Republican who Chuck says had an affair with Renee Ellmers, another Republican.

Ted Cruz, on the other hand, was Chuck’s idol until Trump supplanted him. Neither of them can do anything wrong in Chuck’s mind.

Menendez isn’t only a Democrat, like Marco Rubio both his parents are Cuban, hence ‘brown people’ in the eyes of Upchuck. Rage Furby does enjoy getting his racism on.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:53:54am

re: #76 ObserverArt

Damn. Maybe there will really be a split in the Grand Ol’ Party.

I look at the Utah poll Dr. Matt posted above as well as the Zogby poll showing Hillary ahead in Kansas. More and more I’m thinking that Gary Johnson has a historic opportunity here to score a breakthrough with the Libertarians. Based on the number of Johnson lawn signs I’ve seen while walking around here in Los Angeles I’m wondering how many Republicans will cross over for Johnson…

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:57:33am

re: #56 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Chinese equivalent of the FDA does not do its job.

Which is one of the reasons business likes doing business there. A company can make a lot of profit manufacturing there because they don’t have to waste money on things like worker safety, environmental standards or decent wages.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:57:58am

re: #79 Joe Bacon

I look at the Utah poll Dr. Matt posted above as well as the Zogby poll showing Hillary ahead in Kansas. More and more I’m thinking that Gary Johnson has a historic opportunity here to score a breakthrough with the Libertarians. Based on the number of Johnson lawn signs I’ve seen while walking around here in Los Angeles I’m wondering how many Republicans will cross over for Johnson…

He is the poster child for people who cannot bring themselves to vote for Trump but still despise Hillary.

And the only message his campaign has to convey is that “I’m neither of these guys!”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:58:02am

re: #79 Joe Bacon

I look at the Utah poll Dr. Matt posted above as well as the Zogby poll showing Hillary ahead in Kansas. More and more I’m thinking that Gary Johnson has a historic opportunity here to score a breakthrough with the Libertarians. Based on the number of Johnson lawn signs I’ve seen while walking around here in Los Angeles I’m wondering how many Republicans will cross over for Johnson…

It’s not inconceivable to me that he could carry Utah. They really don’t like Trump, but they’re so conditioned against voting Democratic.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:58:24am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Australian wines also had a similar reputation

This is particularly heavy wine and should only be used for hand-to-hand combat.

Channeling Monty Python.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 14, 2016 • 5:59:58am

re: #4 GlutenFreeJesus

That would explain my sense of impending doom….

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:00:55am

re: #82 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s not inconceivable to me that he could carry Utah. They really don’t like Trump, but they’re so conditioned against voting Democratic.

Last Dem to win Utah was LBJ. I’m pretty surprised Utah didn’t go for Goldwater.

Although it is interesting to learn how many Senators in particular from the West were, if not Democrats, Progressives of some kind or another in the first half of the 20th century.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:01:05am

re: #80 Romantic Heretic

Which is one of the reasons business likes doing business there. A company can make a lot of profit manufacturing there because they don’t have to waste money on things like worker safety, environmental standards or decent wages.

I can deal with the notion of competing on wages, that is our incentive to work smarter. But competing on matters like worker safety and environmental standards is not only shooting ourselves in the foot, it gives other countries no incentive to improve themselves in that respect.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:01:54am

re: #85 Sir John Barron

Last Dem to win Utah was LBJ. I’m pretty surprised Utah didn’t go for Goldwater.

Although it is interesting to learn how many Senators in particular from the West were, if not Democrats, Progressives of some kind or another in the first half of the 20th century.

Mo Udall was from Arizona.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:03:39am

re: #40 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:05:18am

re: #80 Romantic Heretic

Which is one of the reasons business likes doing business there. A company can make a lot of profit manufacturing there because they don’t have to waste money on things like worker safety, environmental standards or decent wages.

Apple says they ensure that Foxconn plants meet all suitable worker safety and environmental protection standards, but the truth of the matter is they can’t guarantee the Chinese staff will follow those regs once Apple isn’t looking. In addition, the raw materials, like indium, needed to make touchscreens come from Chinese mines where there are little to no efforts to protect the local environment.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:08:47am

re: #75 BeenHereAwhile

Purchase your replacement spring(s) from a local garage door supply/repair shop.

The owner/service guy will tell you how many turns needed to properly tension the assist springs.

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt; skipped the tattoo.

Bought them from Amazon with a taste for Charles. Just finished the hard/riskier part, getting the broken and unbroken springs off. Fear is not the mind-killer, rust is the mind-killer.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:10:45am

re: #80 Romantic Heretic

Which is one of the reasons business likes doing business there. A company can make a lot of profit manufacturing there because they don’t have to waste money on things like worker safety, environmental standards or decent wages.

That is going to be changing. China is realizing there was a reason for all those standards in America. Their issues with pollution and factories blowing clear off the face of the planet is going to force it. People are not going to stand for it. Other countries will follow too. People want to live decently so they loved the jobs when they got them, even at low rates. Then they get some economy going and they want more and a better life. It’s natural.

I think there will be a way to do business equilibrium that goes across the world where manufacturing, etc. all become similar and it will be just as costly to manufacture there as it is here.

I have always thought economies strengthening and global trade and commercialism would be an end to wars and to some degree outrageous governments.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:11:28am

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Menendez isn’t only a Democrat, like Marco Rubio both his parents are Cuban, hence ‘brown people’ in the eyes of Upchuck. Rage Furby does enjoy getting his racism on.

Chuck was apparently the only sucker who swallowed the “Menendez had sex with underage hookers” bait that everyone else says was peddled by Cuban intelligence agents. He says he is the one who brought Menendez down, but the official charges say nothing about sex crimes. In fact, the FBI investigated the underage prostitute allegations and found no evidence of same, and no charges were filed.

He also still insists that North Korea had nothing to do with the Sony hack, yet curiously one of the projects at WeeSearchr is to find out who leaked all those documents.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:12:37am

Mourning in America. I refuse to change my avi to fit the latest mass shooting or terror attack. What’s the point? It’s not changing any of the facts on the ground.

You know - like how but for the easy and widespread availability of firearms whose only purpose is to slaughter as many people in as short a time period some mass shootings would not occur.

Or that the NRA has bought politicians so that they do the NRA’s bidding to prevent any and all attempts at reasonable gun restrictions/regulations, including reauthorizing the assault weapons ban.

Or that the NRA’s absolutist position on firearms and the 2A is antithetical to the history of jurisprudence on the 2A and the NRA has sold a fantasy and suicide pact all in one fell swoop.

This is the NRA. They fetishize the very gun that has been used is so many high profile mass shootings. And the right wing/GOP buys into that crap, saying that the real worry is Islamic terrorism here - even as they refuse to take any steps to close loopholes that might allow someone to buy the very weapons that are used.

This is what’s needed. Action to push back against the NRA’s insanity. To push back against the GOP. To stop the madness (and this is truly madness - not some Susan Powter crap weight loss spiel).

Heck, the NRA is so fearful of attempts to even study firearms, fatalities, and gun laws, that they block every attempt to do so. They’re fearful of what scientists will find, which is backed up by empirical data from other countries - namely that the free availability of firearms makes it a whole lot more dangerous to live in the US than other similarly situated countries (like Europe, Japan).

You’re much more likely to shoot yourself or a loved one accidentally here than elsewhere.

You’re much more likely to shoot and kill a loved one in a domestic disturbance here than elsewhere.

That’s who dies more often than any other group - people killing people they know. Family. Friends. Colleagues.

Or they commit suicide.

And the NRA blocks attempts to figure out ways to include mental health screening to obtain firearms as well.

That’s the insanity we face.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:14:02am

re: #90 Decatur Deb

Bought them from Amazon with a taste for Charles. Just finished the hard/riskier part, getting the broken and unbroken springs off. Fear is not the mind-killer, rust is the mind-killer.

Neil Young - Rust never sleeps

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:14:32am

re: #92 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Chuck was apparently the only sucker who swallowed the “Menendez had sex with underage hookers” bait that everyone else says was peddled by Cuban intelligence agents. He says he is the one who brought Menendez down, but the official charges say nothing about sex crimes. In fact, the FBI investigated the underage prostitute allegations and found no evidence of same, and no charges were filed.

He also still insists that North Korea had nothing to do with the Sony hack, yet curiously one of the projects at WeeSearchr is to find out who leaked all those documents.

Chuckles fell for the bogus story because he doesn’t care if he beclowns himself as long as he gets to indulge his hates. It’s a really sick, sad way to live.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:15:06am

re: #90 Decatur Deb

Bought them from Amazon with a taste for Charles. Just finished the hard/riskier part, getting the broken and unbroken springs off. Fear is not the mind-killer, rust is the mind-killer.

Rust is the parts killer

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:16:27am

re: #93 lawhawk

Mourning in America. I refuse to change my avi to fit the latest mass shooting or terror attack. What’s the point? It’s not changing any of the facts on the ground.

You know - like how but for the easy and widespread availability of firearms whose only purpose is to slaughter as many people in as short a time period some mass shootings would not occur.

Or that the NRA has bought politicians so that they do the NRA’s bidding to prevent any and all attempts at reasonable gun restrictions/regulations, including reauthorizing the assault weapons ban.

Or that the NRA’s absolutist position on firearms and the 2A is antithetical to the history of jurisprudence on the 2A and the NRA has sold a fantasy and suicide pact all in one fell swoop.

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This is the NRA. They fetishize the very gun that has been used is so many high profile mass shootings. And the right wing/GOP buys into that crap, saying that the real worry is Islamic terrorism here - even as they refuse to take any steps to close loopholes that might allow someone to buy the very weapons that are used.

This is what’s needed. Action to push back against the NRA’s insanity. To push back against the GOP. To stop the madness (and this is truly madness - not some Susan Powter crap weight loss spiel).

Heck, the NRA is so fearful of attempts to even study firearms, fatalities, and gun laws, that they block every attempt to do so. They’re fearful of what scientists will find, which is backed up by empirical data from other countries - namely that the free availability of firearms makes it a whole lot more dangerous to live in the US than other similarly situated countries (like Europe, Japan).

You’re much more likely to shoot yourself or a loved one accidentally here than elsewhere.

You’re much more likely to shoot and kill a loved one in a domestic disturbance here than elsewhere.

That’s who dies more often than any other group - people killing people they know. Family. Friends. Colleagues.

Or they commit suicide.

And the NRA blocks attempts to figure out ways to include mental health screening to obtain firearms as well.

That’s the insanity we face.

What happens when we realize the NRA has become a broad-spectrum terrorist logistics organization?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:16:43am

Morning All…. Interview day. Here’s to good fortune.

Facebook Video

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:18:31am

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

Chuckles fell for the bogus story because he doesn’t care if he beclowns himself as long as he gets to indulge his hates. It’s a really sick, sad way to live.

He is predisposed to think the worst of everyone who is not like him. It explains why his standing in the conservative community has steadily dropped since he left (or was fired from) The Daily Caller. He’s turned on Ben Shapiro, Michelle Fields, Dana Loesch, Holly Fisher, and who know who else. Betsy Rothstein at the Caller seems to be the only person he can talk to, aside from his alt right and white supremacist “friends.”

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:18:33am

re: #98 Dave In Austin

Morning All…. Interview day. Here’s to good fortune.

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Don’t list us as references.

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:19:27am

re: #100 Decatur Deb

Don’t use us as references.

I used to think I’d never want to join a club that would have me as a member. Then I met you all.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:24:40am

BTW, I’m changing my avatar to “My Shocked Face”. A chimp in a suit with a 1911 Colt seemed funny once, but now… The tardigrade still makes me smile.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:24:45am

re: #57 Joe Bacon

You can get an AR-15 for a lot less than $800. And 30 round magazines aren’t even $10.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:24:54am

re: #93 lawhawk

I am retracting my post about Florida’s State Gun, I can’t find any information to match what I heard on the radio yesterday. I am not sure where it came from, but I trusted the source (John Fugelsang’s radio show on Sirius XM). My apologies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:27:10am

re: #96 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rust is the parts killer

Many, many years ago I owned an ancient Volvo.
Rust was the thing that held it together (along with lots of duct tape).

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:27:15am

re: #93 lawhawk

The NRA calls the weapon used in the Orlando shooting “America’s rifle” t.co
— The New York Times

What an insane group.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:27:22am

re: #104 A Mom Anon

The Florida state government also named this weapon as The Official State Gun. So there’s that.

Florida Man is also the Official State Man

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:27:46am

STUPIDEST ORLANDO TWEET OF THE DAY==>

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:28:25am

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST ORLANDO TWEET OF THE DAY==>

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Wasn’t the Secret Service suppose to assassinate him?

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:28:30am

re: #104 A Mom Anon

The Florida state government also named this weapon as The Official State Gun. So there’s that.

Whut??? The AR-15?

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withak  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:28:47am

re: #35 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, I was morally certain that neither Adam Smith nor Patty Murray nor Maria Cantwell took any money from the NRA, but it’s nice to see it in black and white.

Check out your representatives and give them Hell, as needed.

Apparently, that site thinks my house doesn’t exist. Tried my street address and a few others nearby and it rejects all of them.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:31:17am

re: #110 ObserverArt

Whut??? The AR-15?

Or pimped-out tacticool knockoffs, known in some circles as “M-4geries”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:32:32am

Last night’s murders in West Virginia:
Morgan County sheriff says suspect was “Sovereign Citizen”

Morgan County Sheriff Vince Shambaugh identified [Erick] Shute to MetroNews as a “sovereign citizen” and said he had filed a number of complaints against the victims including property disputes. The victims were shot dead while clearing wood and debris from the roadway adjacent to Shute’s property. Shambaugh said Shute ambushed the men with a rifle from a wooded area nearby.

One victim was able to flee the scene and was not injured.

Shambaugh said the property is a weekend home for Shute who also owns property in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. He posted to social media the shooting was in self defense. Shambaugh says he believes Shute was building a compound on the property near Great Cacapon.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:33:19am

The Rude Pundit, yesterday:

The Terms of Our Surrender to Our Domestic Terrorists, the NRA

Under the terms of our surrender, we agree to endure regular gun massacres without changing any of the lax gun laws that make it possible for almost anyone to purchase a weapon that can allow a single person to kill dozens of others. We agree to not even talk about outlawing guns. We agree to adjust our frame of reference after every “worst mass shooting,” recalibrating from 20 to 32 to, now, 50. In this way, the next time we hear about an event where 4 or 5 or 10 people are gunned down, we can think, “Well, at least it’s not 50” and forget about it. We agree to keep electing lawmakers who continuously vote with the NRA, ensuring that only their support of the gun control will harm them. We agree to mourn and pray for the dead and not question when someone who is opposed to any gun laws says they are mourning and praying. We agree to pretend that suggesting that more guns is the answer isn’t complete and utter madness.

We agree to die quietly, lest we disturb the delicate sensibilities of the gun owners.

We have surrendered, yes, and we just blindly hope that it doesn’t get worse, yet it always does.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:34:43am

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST ORLANDO TWEET OF THE DAY==>

God forbid that we attempt to figure out how to prevent this from happening again.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:35:21am

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

Last night’s murders in West Virginia:
Morgan County sheriff says suspect was “Sovereign Citizen”

Nah, has to be a gay, Muslim Democrat Party.

//

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:35:51am

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST ORLANDO TWEET OF THE DAY==>

But Alex Jones told me the Orlando shooting was a false flag. I confused.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:39:00am

My shocked face!

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A Mom Anon  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:39:28am

re: #110 ObserverArt

I retracted that, see my post above. I can’t find confirmation of it anywhere. My apologies.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:43:37am

For horror genre lovers out there, they say this book is good:

amazon.com

Couple of reviews:

dailykos.com
dailykos.com

It’s by this author who’s in trouble:

dailykos.com

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:45:12am

re: #29 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

For dog’s sake be careful! I like to lost a hand just from the springs in drum brakes a couple of times….

Yeah, those are like little bear traps sometimes.

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BlueGrl21  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:45:40am

I struggled with whether or not to post this here. It’s long. But…yeah.

As I’ve written here before I have several pet wingnuts that are dear friends. But, I called them all out yesterday, on the Facebook. This got shared a lot. And my friends are being VERY silent right now. Not breathing in my general direction too loudly.

I’m done with them unless they step up. I mean it. This is what I know to do that may make a slight difference…show my hurt and anger and disappointment in them.

And now, off the internet and into the public fray. We all have real work to do. I refuse to be discouraged ever again.

————

Newtown broke my heart. It broke all of our hearts, I hope. I thought, “Surely this will be the thing that brings us together to work on getting these assault weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill and the terrifyingly violent psychopaths.” No.

And I was disappointed in some of my gun owning friends, who I love, who scrambled with concern over their gun rights. But I also supported their right to own guns. I spoke the language of reconciliation in the hopes surely we could find a way forward.

Then, Michael Brown. Treyvon Martin. Tamir Rice. My heart breaks again. Some of my friends become very vocal about supporting the police. I pointed out that if you love and want to protect the police, the thing they have asked for, over and over and over, is to help them get guns off the street. Please.

No? That’s got nothing to do with this? Those officers we’re praising don’t know what they’re talking about?

I begin to lose faith in the ability of people to see past their knee-jerk reaction to any form of rational discussion. Because you see, those people are on the side of police officers until tougher gun laws are brought up.

Sweetie, you don’t understand guns. You don’t see the threat we’re under. We have to protect ourselves against a tyrannical government that wants to take our guns.

Guess what? The United States Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines have more firepower than you. You’re outgunned, even with an arsenal of guns and bullets. That’s why these shooters get taken down by COPS.

And, wait. I’m confused. Aren’t we on the side of our officers and military 100%?

Let’s leave that there.

Other shootings followed. Then, San Bernadino. An honest to God terrorist attack on this country. And what do these attacks have in common? The shooters were nothing alike, different ideology, different everything. So, what’s the pattern? Anyone?

They both used AR-15s to spray as many bullets as fast as possible. And a handgun or two. They had easy access and man, they took advantage of it.

So, a terrorist attack would wake everyone up, right? Well, no. The latest rallying cry was an old one…Muslims. That’s what Trump is tapping into gleefully right now. And people with no ability to rub two brain cells together are all over it.

We can’t talk about the firepower of an AR-15 or a Tec-9…that one was Columbine. The high schoolers loved how badass those Tec-9s looked on camera, left behind videos and journals on their beloved Tec-9s. And how much they hated human beings.

Shhh. Guns don’t kill people. We’re responsible gun owners. That’s other people. And I agreed. Explained I don’t hate guns used for legitimate purposes, like hunting. I let it go again.

Next one on the list?

These people are mentally ill! It’s not about guns! Guess what? Me too. Let’s do some cost analysis!

I can go, right now, to Impact guns and purchase a Bushmaster Patrolman AR15 M4 Carbine, .223/5.56 16” W/Detachable Carry Handle, Telescoping Stock, Black Finish 30 Round Mag for $723.49.

My medications for my bipolar disorder are ~$300 a month, and that’s high. I’ve got to do the doctors and the pharmacies and the fights with insurance companies but it’s ok. I need those medications and I am grateful they exist.

And hey! 2.5 months and we’re even. But wait! My meds are have to be bought anew every month. That gun is a lifetime investment!

So if it’s mental illness, what’s the better investment for society? An AR-15 or mental health support?

Oh, wait. $3,600 a year? Just for medications? Nah.

Now, God help us, Orlando. Pulse Nightclub. Add that to the list of names I don’t have to say anything else about. Because we all know. Every…single…one…of…us.

What’s the pattern? Hint: not Islamic terrorism. Newtown and Aurora broke that pattern. Nope, innocent people slaughtered by yet another AR-15.

Tired of reading “AR-15?” I’m tired of typing it. But, that’s why it’s called “a pattern.”

This time? 50 dead. I’ll round that assault rifle up to $2,000 for a nice one with plenty of ammo.

That’s $40 a life.

$40 a precious, precious life.

Choose. Right now. Choose what matters most. Help me fight for basic, basic controls on guns, background checks, gun show loopholes, controlling gun sales over the Internet. Help me require both STATE and FEDERAL background checks. Help the police be safer on our streets. Help me ban these assault weapons. Help me fight for mental health services for suffering people and tougher gun confiscation laws for those who have been diagnosed as mentally ill or are a threat to themselves or others. Or find a different friend.

Because let’s face it. Your gun rights matter more to you than I do these days.

It’s all bullshit. Every last excuse, every smoke screen, every critique, every vow to “do something,” every single word. Not one word of it is logical or legitimate or proveable. It is collective insanity wrapped up in platitudes. And it’s killing cops, kids, and your fellow Americans. And you do…not…care.

Be honest. Look at yourselves in the mirror and claim it proudly. At least have the guts to be honest about what you stand for. YOU LOVE YOUR UNFETTERED GUN RIGHTS MORE THAN YOU LOVE ME.

And to all of my LGBT friends here, I love you more than you will ever know. I hurt and cry with you. My heart is absolutely broken. But all of us, both you and your straight allies, are so strong from these battles now. Your spirit has never broken, the community pulls together, from Stonewall to The Castro in the 80s to fight the battle against HIV/AIDS to Matthew Shepherd’s murder to the constant homophobia spewed at you since you knew enough to understand it. You are so STRONG and you have my heart, every day. Every single day.

Still too soon?

Tough shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:45:45am

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fox & Friends admits that their report on Obama and police equipment yesterday was false

too late. this is already now RWNJ gospel

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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:48:46am

Imgur
Good morning!

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:52:40am

re: #122 BlueGrl21

Page it. I can’t recommend that enough. That post needs to be seen far and wide.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:56:52am

re: #122 BlueGrl21

Other shootings followed. Then, San Bernadino. An honest to God terrorist attack on this country. And what do these attacks have in common? The shooters were nothing alike, different ideology, different everything. So, what’s the pattern? Anyone?

Other things they had in common beyond easy access to massive firepower: these people were socially marginalized, had violent natures and an enormous chip on their shoulders: against blacks, gays, liberated women or Planned Parenthood. Or just an incoherent rage that they took out on the most vulnerable and available target.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:01:48am

re: #126 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Other things they had in common beyond easy access to massive firepower: these people were socially marginalized, had violent natures and an enormous chip on their shoulders: against blacks, gays, liberated women or Planned Parenthood. Or just an incoherent rage that they took out on the most vulnerable and available target.

Was the Newtown shooting done with an AR-15 as well? IIRC there were several guns involved, but I thought that was the main one.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:03:19am

re: #127 Sir John Barron

Was the Newtown shooting done with an AR-15 as well? IIRC there were several guns involved, but I thought that was the main one.

Bushmaster XM15-E2S .223 caliber semiautomatic rifle according to Wikipedia.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:06:24am

This needs to be said:

Remember that this asshole chose to turn his back on his country. After you blame him, next blame the people who put out the propaganda he consumed.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:08:15am

BBT

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:08:35am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

This needs to be said:

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Remember that this asshole chose to turn his back on his country. After you blame him, next blame the people who put out the propaganda he consumed.

To be fair, there are more being radicalized as we speak, because of the way some are speaking about it. Those that would blame an entire religion based on this asshole are just helping radicalize the next crop of assholes.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:08:50am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

This needs to be said:

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Remember that this asshole chose to turn his back on his country. After you blame him, next blame the people who put out the propaganda he consumed.

That’s why I largely support the European anti-incitement laws.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:11:05am

re: #122 BlueGrl21

Thank you.

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BlueGrl21  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:11:50am

re: #128 Timothy Watson

Bushmaster XM15-E2S .223 caliber semiautomatic rifle according to Wikipedia.

The media has been reporting AR-15. Is there a big difference between a Bushmaster Patrolman AR15 M4 Carbine, .223/5.56 16” and a Bushmaster XM15-E2S .223 caliber semiautomatic rifle?

When I wrote this I just looked up guns online and picked a less expensive one. Happy to modify it. 😊

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:11:58am

Another common aspect to our mass murderers is that they all found some sort of ideology out there that appealed to them and tried to justify their actions

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:13:36am

re: #135 BlueGrl21

The media has been reporting AR-15. Is there a big difference between a Bushmaster Patrolman AR15 M4 Carbine, .223/5.56 16” and a Bushmaster XM15-E2S .223 caliber semiautomatic rifle?

When I wrote this I just looked up guns online and picked a less expensive one. Happy to modify it. 😊

No, just different names and models of the old AR-15 rifle. A “M4” model is usually equipped with a shorter barrel and collapsing buttstock.

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:14:43am

re: #135 BlueGrl21

The media has been reporting AR-15. Is there a big difference between a Bushmaster Patrolman AR15 M4 Carbine, .223/5.56 16” and a Bushmaster XM15-E2S .223 caliber semiautomatic rifle?

When I wrote this I just looked up guns online and picked a less expensive one. Happy to modify it. 😊

To this layman, it’s a distinction without a difference.

If someone were running around murdering people by shaking up cans of Pepsi, but there were a few Coke and RC Cola incidences, I don’t think a distinction would be necessary.

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:16:19am

re: #137 Timothy Watson

No, just different names and models of the old AR-15 rifle. A “M4” model is usually equipped with a shorter barrel and collapsing buttstock.

I’ve only laughed a few times since Sunday morning/mourning and “buttstock” was one of those times. Yes, I am a 12 year old boy.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:17:15am

re: #135 BlueGrl21

The media has been reporting AR-15. Is there a big difference between a Bushmaster Patrolman AR15 M4 Carbine, .223/5.56 16” and a Bushmaster XM15-E2S .223 caliber semiautomatic rifle?

When I wrote this I just looked up guns online and picked a less expensive one. Happy to modify it. 😊

they are essentially the same platform, they have selective modifications and parts from different manufactures.

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BlueGrl21  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:20:45am

re: #140 FormerDirtDart

they are essentially the same platform, they have selective modifications and parts from different manufactures.

Got it. Merci.

Just looked up the price at Impact Guns…this one is on sale for $650. Even cheaper. Makes my point even better.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:22:23am
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compound_Idaho  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:27:35am

re: #87 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Frank Church (D) Senator Idaho
Cecil Andrus (D) Longtime governor of Idaho and US Secretary of Interior

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:27:48am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:29:57am

amazon.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:33:14am

re: #145 Franklin

Money from the “Guns” essay goes to the James Brady Organization to Prevent Handgun Violence. They do NOT advocate outlawing guns.

Only a handful of extremists want to outlaw guns, most of us just want reasonable restrictions on ownership and purchase,

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:33:14am

re: #129 lawhawk

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That was fucking righteous.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:34:53am

Time to read King’s End of Watch.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:38:45am

Outsourcing our nut-jobs:

Indian group celebrates birthday of ‘savior of humanity’ Trump

A Hindu fringe group celebrated the 70th birthday of Donald Trump in the Indian capital on Tuesday, calling the U.S. presidential contender the “savior of humanity” who could end the global threat posed by Islamist militants.

About 20 members of the far-right Hindu Sena, or Hindu Army, held the festivities as Americans grieved over the deaths of 49 people in the country’s worst-ever mass shooting, perpetrated by a gunman claiming allegiance to Islamic State.

“Trump has said Muslims should be banned from entering America. Everyone should support that,” said Hindu Sena leader Vishnu Gupta, whose group is known more for its publicity stunts than for having any meaningful support.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:39:05am

Florida Catholic bishop: ‘It is religion, including our own,’ that targets LGBT people

“… sadly it is religion, including our own, that targets, mostly verbally, and often breeds contempt for gays, lesbians and transgender people. Attacks today on LGBT men and women often plant the seed of contempt, then hatred, which can ultimately lead to violence.

“Those women and men who were mowed down Sunday were all made in the image and likeness of God. We teach that. We should believe that. We must stand for that.

“Even before I knew who perpetrated the mass murders at Pulse, I knew that somewhere in the story there would be a search for religion as motivation. While deranged people do senseless things, all of us observe and judge and act from some kind of religious background. Singling out people for victimization because of their religion, their sexual orientation, their nationality must be offensive to God’s ears. It has to stop, too.

More by Robert Lynch, bishop of St. Petersburg, at the link.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:40:52am

Uh yeah Li’l Whiplash, they usually prefer to attack Planned Parenthood clinics.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:41:18am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

This needs to be said:

Remember that this asshole chose to turn his back on his country. After you blame him, next blame the people who put out the propaganda he consumed.

It sounds like the propaganda included a religion and society that made possibly being gay a bad thing. You know, what conservatives think, the same ones that think guns are awesome.

Just to be clear, I’m not blaming Islam itself. I’m blaming the conservative strict version of it, just like conservative Christianity, that has somehow turned accepting ourselves into a sin.

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No Depression  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:42:22am

re: #149 Shiplord Kirel

Outsourcing our nut-jobs:

Indian group celebrates birthday of ‘savior of humanity’ Trump

I hate India’s far right just about as much as I hate our own.

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:43:04am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Cloudy Bay from New Zealand is absolutely world-class

That it is. I also really like Greywacke’s sauvignon blanc for a summer evening. (Also from NZ)

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:43:26am
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:44:22am

re: #151 The Vicious Babushka

Uh yeah Li’l Whiplash, they usually prefer to attack Planned Parenthood clinics.

What about that gay club attack in the 70s/80s (I forget exactly when)?

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:44:42am

re: #151 The Vicious Babushka

Uh yeah Li’l Whiplash, they usually prefer to attack Planned Parenthood clinics.

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Or doctors at church or LGBT individuals in dark alleys…

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:45:27am

re: #153 No Depression

I hate India’s far right just about as much as I hate our own.

ftfy

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:46:11am

re: #153 No Depression

I hate India’s far right just about as much as I hate our own.

Remember, the “Clash of Cultures” is not about Christianity or Hinduism vs Islam, it is about religious fundamentalism vs. secular progressivism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:48:49am
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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:49:03am

re: #154 calochortus

I’m a big fan of Finger Lakes wines. Dr. Franks makes great rieslings, and a couple of blends or single varietals that use more obscure grapes, like the Rkatsiteli.

For reds, I’m a huge fan of McGregor, which makes a bunch of phenomenal reds, including the Black Russian (blend), Rob Roy, and they also use some more obscure varietals.

Another great winery is Heron Hill.

I’m up around Keuka Lake at least once a year to stock up…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:49:56am

U.S. can’t confirm reports Islamic State leader killed

The U.S.-led coalition fighting the Islamic State said Tuesday it could not confirm reports that Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi had been killed in a U.S. airstrike.

Army Col. Chris Garver, the top spokesman for the coalition in Iraq, told USA TODAY he was aware of the reports from the Islamic news agency AlhlulBayt and other sources. Garver said that, if true, al-Baghdadi’s death would be welcome news but would not signal the end of the fight against the terrorist group.

AlhlulBayt reported the militant leader was killed Sunday in an airstrike in the Raqqa, Syria, the Islamic State’s de facto capital.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:50:24am
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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:51:44am

re: #163 lawhawk

Yeah, but what does he know about the impact of guns in his community? ////not enough sarc tags for this one///////

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Great White Snark  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:53:34am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:53:41am

re: #163 lawhawk

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Giuliani was “America’s Mayor”, but Imma go out on a limb and predict Bratton is not going to be America’s Police Commissioner.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:58:33am

re: #166 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Giuliani was “America’s Mayor”, but Imma go out on a limb and predict Bratton is not going to be America’s Police Commissioner.

Heh, Bratton hates Giuliani and vice versa.

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gocart mozart  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:04:47am
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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:04:53am

re: #167 Timothy Watson

Yeah, Giuliani didn’t like that Bratton got more credit for the drop in crime in NYC than he did. So he got rid of Bratton and brought in … Bernie Kerik.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:05:42am

Dana Gunz Hot Take

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:07:43am

Missed this out of CT:

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withak  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:07:57am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

Dana Gunz Hot Take

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Can someone who knows more about guns than I do (probably everyone here) please explain if there’s any meaningful difference between an AR-15 and whatever the shooter used, in terms of ability to rapidly shoot and kill people?

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:08:36am

re: #161 lawhawk

I’ll have to see if I can find any of those around here.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:08:44am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

Dana Gunz Hot Take

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We wouldn’t want to hurt the precious feelings of all the other special snowflakes AR-15s out there.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:10:00am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

Dana Gunz Hot Take

He didn’t use a tactical nuke either. Tactical nukes for everyone.

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gocart mozart  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:10:38am
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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:10:41am

re: #173 calochortus

Dr. Franks is pretty widely available. Heron Hill and McGregor much less so.

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No Depression  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:12:04am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

Dana Gunz Hot Take

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Pedantry is the last refuge of people who lack good arguments for their positions.

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gocart mozart  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:14:09am
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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:14:43am

Idiot gets 2 years probation and 200 hours community service, financial restitution to be decided:
WOMAN PLEADS GUILTY TO DEFACING ROCKS AT 7 NATIONAL PARKS

FRESNO, Calif. (AP) — A San Diego woman who painted and drew on treasured natural rock formations at national parks across the West and shared her work on social media pleaded guilty Monday to defacing government property.

Casey Nocket, 23, pleaded guilty in a federal court in Fresno, California to seven misdemeanors for the autumn 2014 painting spree at seven national parks including Yosemite in California and Zion in Utah.

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:15:23am

re: #177 lawhawk

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:15:40am
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gocart mozart  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:15:51am
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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:16:48am

re: #179 gocart mozart

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Actually, most the economics textbooks I read when I was in school kinda said the opposite. The ones I used spent considerable amount of time on stuff like externalities.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:18:47am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

Dana Gunz Hot Take

what kind of gun was it? An AR-14.4518au5?

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:21:52am

re: #185 Sir John Barron

Nope, an AR-15OU812

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:21:59am

re: #185 Sir John Barron

what kind of gun was it? An AR-14.4518au5?

SIG Sauer MCX

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:22:00am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

Dana sneers at anyone who misidentifies a firearm, or calls a semiauto an auto, or a clip a magazine, etc.

It’s all she knows — guns.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:23:24am

Another day, more BernieorBustBros to unfollow.

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ipsos  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:24:36am

re: #177 lawhawk

Dr. Franks is pretty widely available. Heron Hill and McGregor much less so.

I find them readily available… but then I live at the edge of the Finger Lakes ;)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:25:11am

re: #189 Sir John Barron

Are they still whining about Wall St., ignoring that the NRA is far more influential and actually gets people killed?

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:25:53am

re: #188 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Dana sneers at anyone who misidentifies a firearm, or calls a semiauto an auto, or a clip a magazine, etc.

It’s all she knows — guns.

But apparently she doesn’t care about what happens when you’re on the receiving end of said firearm discharge. The carnage that results from the easily obtained firearms - whether sidearms or long barreled semi-autos with extended magazines.

She cares only about her ability to procure said guns. That others might use them for evil is the price we pay for her religious belief in having the right to obtain pretty much any gun made.

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:27:50am

I wonder how much of the gun related questions she sides with him on….

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:28:05am

re: #191 GlutenFreeJesus

Are they still whining about Wall St., ignoring that the NRA is far more influential and actually gets people killed?

Anti-Hillary. Hillary is an evil warmonger who’s worse than Trump and she’s going to be indicted and she’s committed fraud in the election and Bernie is really winning CA and they won’t ever vote for Hillary. Etc.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:28:36am

re: #190 ipsos

I find them readily available… but then I live at the edge of the Finger Lakes ;)

Is Taylor Vineyards still a going concern? My mom had a friend who would give her a bottle each of Taylor white (zinfandel, maybe) and red (no idea which one) every Christmas. Also, Taylor sherry, IIRC. My mom never looked a gift horse in the mouth, but I can honestly say she was not overly fond of any of them.

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:29:25am

re: #190 ipsos

I find them readily available… but then I live at the edge of the Finger Lakes ;)

I looked up the Dr Franks and it doesn’t seem to be distributed in CA. :(
Maybe I’ll have to get around to visiting relatives back east at some point…

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:29:59am

re: #181 calochortus

flatiron-wines.com

They have a SF location and carry Wiemer and Ravines from the Finger Lakes, plus a few North Fork LI wines.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:30:47am

re: #194 Sir John Barron

Anti-Hillary. Hillary is an evil warmonger who’s worse than Trump and she’s going to be indicted and she’s committed fraud in the election and Bernie is really winning CA and they won’t ever vote for Hillary. Etc.

They’re rapidly moving beyond the issues to just hate-raging.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:31:44am

re: #194 Sir John Barron

It’s an off day for them. Not one word about Wall Street!

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:31:44am

re: #187 Timothy Watson

SIG Sauer MCX

thetruthaboutguns.com

This review makes it sound so much less lethal than an AR-15 /////////////////////////

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:32:13am

re: #197 lawhawk

Thanks!

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:32:52am

re: #193 Franklin

I wonder how much of the gun related questions she sides with him on….

Just how vain do you have to be in order to take part in a survey that you yourself are a subject of?

Sounds like something Trump would do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:33:19am
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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:34:40am

re: #202 makeitstop

Just how vain do you have to be in order to take part in a survey that you yourself are a subject of?

Sounds like something Trump would do.

I also want to know how many time did she have to take it to get 100% agreement with herself.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:35:01am

re: #195 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s a long story, and it involves Coca Cola, lawsuits, and Bully Hill.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:35:46am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

Dana Gunz Hot Take

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This is like the exchange in “The Odd Couple”, the original movie. Oscar has had it with Felix’s cleaning and disinfecting everything, so he’s going around with a spray can of Lysol, spraying everything.

Felix is at the table about to eat a plate of pasta. Oscar sprays it, and says, “THERE! I sterilized your spaghetti!”

Felix starts chuckling. “What’s so funny?” asks Oscar.

“That’s not spaghetti. That’s Liguine!” says Felix.

Oscar grabs the plate and hurls it at the wall. “Now it’s GARBAGE!”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:35:53am

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

uh, well this sort of throws a wrinkle in things….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:36:13am

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Omar Mateen’s Wife Tried to Talk Him Out of Orlando Attack, Sources Say

Authorities are considering filing criminal charges against Noor for failing to tell them what she knew before the brutal attack, law enforcement officials say, but no decision has been made.

FFS

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:37:04am

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

was that his ex-wife, or did he have a current wife?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:37:20am

re: #209 Sir John Barron

was that his ex-wife, or did he have a current wife?

current wife

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:37:37am

re: #202 makeitstop

Just how vain do you have to be in order to take part in a survey that you yourself are a subject of?

Sounds like something Trump would do.

these are very silly people.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:38:01am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

current wife

Oh, hadn’t realized there was one. Only heard about the ex.

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:38:15am

And, having finished my coffee, I no longer have an excuse to linger here.
Laterz, all.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:40:45am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

current wife

Feeding right into trump’s twisted plan. ugh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:42:05am
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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:42:24am

re: #163 lawhawk

Robin Simpson @robin182zz
“NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton blames Orlando massacre on GOP “prostituting itself in front of the NRA”” salon.com …
10:20 AM - 14 Jun 2016

Well, there goes Bratton’s Christmas card from both the NRA/LaPierre and the RNC/Priebus.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:43:19am

re: #205 lawhawk

It’s a long story, and it involves Coca Cola, lawsuits, and Bully Hill.

Interesting. The 1960s and ’70s would have been the time Mom’s friend was giving her those bottles of wine.

Did Taylor ever think of legally changing his name to something like Tayler or Tailor? I suppose Coke would have still taken him to court.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:44:00am

Posted without comment…because I may get very mean if I do….

Omar Mateen’s current wife could be charged as an accomplice in Orlando massacre

NBC News reporter Ken Dilanian brings us word that law enforcement officials may soon charge Noor Salman, who is Omar Mateen’s second wife, as an accomplice to murder.

It seems that Salman has told the FBI that she drove Mateen to the club several times in the days leading up to his attack. She also says she knew of his plans and tried to talk him out of it, NBC News reports. Salman also admitted that she was with Mateen when he went to buy ammunition and a holster, according to NBC News’ Tom Winter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:44:57am
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No Depression  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:46:08am

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Paul Manafort must’ve called in a favor.

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:47:41am

re: #200 Barefoot Grin

thetruthaboutguns.com

This review makes it sound so much less lethal than an AR-15 /////////////////////////

“Other than that, Mr. Mateen, how would you rate the weapon?”
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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:49:51am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

Dana Gunz Hot Take

Dana Loesch ✔ @DLoesch
Hey gun control geniuses: The Orlando terrorist did NOT use an AR-15. Idiots. cbsnews.com …
11:00 AM - 14 Jun 2016

From the CBS link in Dana EatsGuns twitter:

According to a federal law enforcement official, the rifle Mateen used to murder and maim more than 100 people was a Sig Sauer MCX. Mateen legally purchased the weapon, similar to an AR-15, on June 4 in Port St. Lucie, Florida, near where he lived. (He legally purchased a Glock 17 handgun the following day, which he also carried during the attack.)

Sig Sauer bills the MCX as “an innovative weapon system built around a battle-proven core.” The company says it “stands as the first rifle to be silenced from the ground up. It also accepts a broad array of accessories, enabling you to build a complete weapon system for any scenario or environment.” It has a military-spec trigger and a magazine capacity of 30 rounds. According to the book Guns of Special Forces 2001-2015, the MCX is known in military circles as the “Black Mamba” and was developed at the request of the US Army’s special operations forces.

So similar to an AR-15 gives Ms. Guns her out? She’s a little snake.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:50:23am

Well, it seems Putin’s operatives have been very busy boys.

Russian government hackers penetrated the computer network of the Democratic National Committee and gained access to the entire database of opposition research on GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump, according to committee officials and security experts who responded to the breach.

The intruders so thoroughly compromised the DNC’s system they also were able to read all e-mail and chat traffic, said DNC officials and the security experts.

The intrusion into the DNC was one of several targeting American political organizations. The networks of presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were also targeted by Russian spies, as were the computers of some GOP political action committees, U.S. officials said. But details on those cases were not available.

A Russian Embassy spokesman said he had no knowledge of such intrusions.

washingtonpost.com

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:51:07am

re: #222 ObserverArt

From the CBS link in Dana EatsGuns twitter:

So similar to an AR-15 gives Ms. Guns her out? She’s a little snake.

The gun even uses the M-16/AR-15 STANAG magazines.

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Great White Snark  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:51:41am

re: #218 Dr. Matt

Well hang on. if this guy was a customer of Pulse as has been said, why did he need his wife to drive him by to scope it out? Some of these things are not making sense together.

And she may be abused and completely utterly fearful of this guy. we have seen that happen.

Still too many fragments of info.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:51:47am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

I wondered how long it would take for the discussion to trail off into the various brands of weapons and their relative features…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:51:51am

re: #218 Dr. Matt

Posted without comment…because I may get very mean if I do….

Omar Mateen’s current wife could be charged as an accomplice in Orlando massacre

sounding more like San Bernardino.

Ugh.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:51:58am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

Dana Gunz Hot Take

Hey gun control geniuses: The Orlando terrorist did NOT use an AR-15. Idiots. t.co
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) June 14, 2016

FFS. Semantic bullshit. Fires the same round. Stylized after the AR. Likely uses the same magazine as an AR-15. Semantic bullshit.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:53:01am

re: #217 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Office Space - Michael Bolton.avi

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:53:05am

re: #224 Timothy Watson

From the CBS link in Dana EatsGuns twitter:

So similar to an AR-15 gives Ms. Guns her out? She’s a little snake.

The gun even uses the M-16/AR-15 STANAG magazines.

Completely different! Checkmate libtards!!!!11

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:55:34am

Dana Gunz whole shtick is HURR HURR I KNOWS MOAR GUN TRIVIA THEN U!!!!! U R WRONG LIBTARD!!!11!!!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:57:52am

*Snort*

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:59:02am

re: #225 Great White Snark

Well hang on. if this guy was a customer of Pulse as has been said, why did he need his wife to drive him by to scope it out? Some of these things are not making sense together.

And she may be abused and completely utterly fearful of this guy. we have seen that happen.

Still too many fragments of info.

How are you feeling about all this gun control talk Snark? I know this usually gets responses from you. So far, I don’t think I’ve seen you weigh in this time. I may have missed it. Some of the threads over the past two days have grown fast.

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Great White Snark  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:59:40am

The AR type, son or grandson of the M-16 is a US and NATO service gun. Like most previous service rifles are popular as heck in the sport shooting world. There is no point at all in delineating among them apart from semi auto vs full auto, caliber and capacity.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:01:25am

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

Dana Gunz whole shtick is HURR HURR I KNOWS MOAR GUN TRIVIA THEN U!!!!! U R WRONG LIBTARD!!!11!!!

Not a AR-15!!! Ur argument is unvalidated!!!!11

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:02:10am

re: #167 Timothy Watson

Heh, Bratton hates Giuliani and vice versa.

Bratton hates Trump, too.

He held a press conference about Trump’s proposed Muslim ban (or maybe it was about Cruz’ plan to vigorously “patrol and secure” Muslim neighborhoods) to point out that

1) 900 NYPD officers are Muslim; and
2) several hundred of those Muslim cops are also Army Reserve; and
3) fuck you GOP for thinking these cops’ neighborhoods and mosques are any kind of threat to anyone.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:05:07am

So the Russians are relying on hacking the DNC to get oppo research on Trump. Guess they figured the RNC didn’t have anything to work with? /

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gwangung  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:06:48am

re: #237 lawhawk

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So the Russians are relying on hacking the DNC to get oppo research on Trump. Guess they figured the RNC didn’t have anything to work with? /

Well, now we know why Trump declined to run opposition research on himself…

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Great White Snark  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:06:55am

re: #233 ObserverArt

Timing!

Waiting for the shock and sadness to ease off a bit, and awaiting more facts about this shoot. I now have a split list of gun control proposals, split I like it or not. But I think it’s too soon, tears are not yet dry.

I’ll say this about a couple commonly mentioned ideas. One the no fly list, two the watch list, and three FBI/Interpol/?? investigated you ever. None of those things offer us due process protection from them. So my first suggestion is add due process to the lists before considering using them further. Also see what the ACLU has to say about those lists.

I still want universal registration. What a great start that would be. And it’s lack may well trigger far less wise laws to get passed as clumsy workarounds.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:09:27am

re: #222 ObserverArt

From the CBS link in Dana EatsGuns twitter:

So similar to an AR-15 gives Ms. Guns her out? She’s a little snake.

Oops!

I got the info on the Sig Sauer from Mother Jones…not the CBS link.

Mother Jones - This Is the Assault Rifle Used by the Orlando Mass Shooter

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Great White Snark  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:12:46am

Since Daesh says this guy was part of the “American Caliphate” we really should send a congrats to the leadership there on the worlds first ever Gay Caliphate. Rite?

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:18:12am

re: #239 Great White Snark

Timing!

Waiting for the shock and sadness to ease off a bit, and awaiting more facts about this shoot. I now have a split list of gun control proposals, split I like it or not. But I think it’s too soon, tears are not yet dry.

I’ll say this about a couple commonly mentioned ideas. One the no fly list, two the watch list, and three FBI/Interpol/?? investigated you ever. None of those things offer us due process protection from them. So my first suggestion is add due process to the lists before considering using them further. Also see what the ACLU has to say about those lists.

I still want universal registration. What a great start that would be. And it’s lack may well trigger far less wise laws to get passed as clumsy workarounds.

Well, as you put together your ideas please keep in mind a word I used yesterday when weighing lives versus hardware. That word “civilized.” What is the balance of high-power guns being allowed into a civilized society when it is very clear they are causing uncivilized carnage.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:20:19am

And away we go.

The terrorists always win with these babies.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:22:00am

re: #243 Stanley Sea

Gingrich proposes new House Un-American Activities Committee, revoking citizenships t.co pic.twitter.com
— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) June 14, 2016

Revoking citizenship. No problem!!
Changing the 2A. COMMUNIST! NAZI! ANTI-AMERICAN!!

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:22:52am

re: #243 Stanley Sea

My dog….this is frightening.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:23:54am

re: #243 Stanley Sea

And away we go.

The terrorists always win with these babies.

Because we can never learn anything from the past.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:25:20am

re: #245 Jenner7

My dog….this is frightening.

I think the appropriate response is anger, not fear.

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plansbandc  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:27:14am

re: #243 Stanley Sea

Holy shit!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:27:19am

Annnnnd this….
Orlando gunman threatened to shoot up 5th-grade classroom: classmate

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:28:11am

Gingrich should be ignored by everyone. He’s nuts and will say anything for attention. And then when pressed he will “Newt Out” and say it was taken wrong or some other BS.

He and Trump are two of a kind.

Why does anyone pay attention to this cad?

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:28:54am

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

Russian government hackers penetrated DNC database, stole opposition research on Donald Trump

I’ll bet Trump’s buddy Putin will be only too happy to turn it over to the Trump campaign - if he hasn’t already.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:32:18am

No fucks Obama now addressing the term “Radical Islam”.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:32:47am

re: #249 Dr. Matt

Annnnnd this….
Orlando gunman threatened to shoot up 5th-grade classroom: classmate

Well…it is now clear all of our methods of finding the guy that should never be allowed to have a gun failed. I hope that also helps in the gun control debate…as in we really have no control. He’s been a bad guy for a long long time and a lot of good guys gave him the gun anyway.

You might say he slipped through the cracks. I say he walked through a a huge door.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:33:18am

Uh, oh, Obama now talking about saying “radical Islam”.

Get ready for a run on fainting couches and clutching pearls.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:33:53am

re: #252 blueraven

No fucks Obama now addressing the term “Radical Islam”.

Thanks…tuning in now. I hope he tears some assholes apart with this.

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BlackPearl  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:33:54am

re: #244 Dr. Matt

Not to be annoying, but technically anyone who pledges allegiance to ISIS could already have their citizenship revoked: law.cornell.edu

“(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
…
(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years;”

IANAL and have no idea how this would be adjudicated, how you would determine the intention, and/or whether ISIS counts as a foreign state, etc.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:34:17am

re: #252 blueraven

No fucks Obama now addressing the term “Radical Islam”.

He needs to say Radical Islamic Terrorist!!!!!1

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plansbandc  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:34:24am

Newt must never ever EVER hold public office again. EVER.

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Great White Snark  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:34:30am

re: #242 ObserverArt

On the broader subject of civilized, I had posted this some time ago from Stephen Hawking. Some may try to dismiss it as drum circle kumbaya bullshit. But then consider the mind involved. A big picture approach, much maligned as such.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:35:06am

re: #255 ObserverArt

Thanks…tuning in now. I hope he tears some assholes apart with this.

The butthurt is about to be tremendous….

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allegro  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:35:08am

So yesterday morning a stray/abandoned dog followed Buddy and I home from our walk. Installed himself immediately on the sofa. Under a year old, quite the mellow hedonist which actually makes him suitable in nature for our home. But… now is not a good time for a family addition.

A neighbor with an 18 mo old son fell in love with the dog and took him home last night. Whew! Great match! Or so I thought until I got a text at 6:30 this morning. It did not go well (great with the kid, problem with the husband). So…

Looks like I got a new kid. Jeez.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:35:22am

Obama: “Politicians who tweet”

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:35:35am
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sagehen  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:36:43am

re: #261 allegro

So yesterday morning a stray/abandoned dog followed Buddy and I home from our walk. Installed himself immediately on the sofa. Under a year old, quite the mellow hedonist which actually makes him suitable in nature for our home. But… now is not a good time for a family addition.

A neighbor with an 18 mo old son fell in love with the dog and took him home last night. Whew! Great match! Or so I thought until I got a text at 6:30 this morning. It did not go well (great with the kid, problem with the husband). So…

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Looks like I got a new kid. Jeez.

Your grandkid. ‘Cause he’s not actually your dog, he’s Buddy’s dog.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:37:24am

Hillz going all in on Trump’s use of ‘Radical Islam.’

She’s smacking him around, hard. Link below.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:38:11am

Hooooah! Calling out Trump for ban on Muslims.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:39:12am

Can’t watch from work. I hope she tears him a new asshole.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:39:46am

re: #266 blueraven

Hooooah! Calling out Trump for ban on Muslims.

Impeach!!!!!

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:39:51am

Obama is incensed! Righteous.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:40:11am

Wow, Obama and Hillary going in at the same time?

Trump ain’t gonna know who to address the first nasty tweet to. Good.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:40:16am

re: #269 blueraven

Obama is incensed! Righteous.

Yup, just about to say that. Trying to restrain his anger.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:41:30am

re: #266 blueraven

Hooooah! Calling out Trump for ban on Muslims.

Wish he would make the point again—not that anyone should need to be reminded—that mass shootings have not all been, and only a few have been, committed by professed Muslims.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:42:20am

Wow. ‘These are lies, but he feels compelled to tell them because he has nothing substantive to say for himself.’

That’ll leave a bruise.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:42:20am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:42:28am
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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:42:50am

You know watching Obama today makes me think it would be real nice if ex-Pres GW Bush came out and told Trump to go to hell. I know he’s a party guy, but sometimes you have to put party aside and do the right thing. And, it just may save your party. So if you are a party guy (oh Dark_Flacon) do the right thing to save your party.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:43:45am

re: #272 Sir John Barron

Wish we would make the point again—not that anyone should need to be reminded—that mass shootings have not all been, and only a few have been, committed by professed Muslims.

Not to mention religious freedom, first amendment and all that other constitutional stuff that frowns on religious tests.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:43:53am

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

And the Orlando shooter didn’t have a record, etc.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:43:59am

re: #261 allegro

So yesterday morning a stray/abandoned dog followed Buddy and I home from our walk. Installed himself immediately on the sofa. Under a year old, quite the mellow hedonist which actually makes him suitable in nature for our home. But… now is not a good time for a family addition.

A neighbor with an 18 mo old son fell in love with the dog and took him home last night. Whew! Great match! Or so I thought until I got a text at 6:30 this morning. It did not go well (great with the kid, problem with the husband). So…

Embedded Image

Looks like I got a new kid. Jeez.

Good looking kid! You have a nice heart! He saw it and followed it.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:44:07am

re: #272 Sir John Barron

In 2015, there were pretty much 350+ mass shootings involving 4+ people shot (injured or killed). Out of those, 3 involved Muslims as suspected perpetrators.

That works out to …. 0.09% - 3/350.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:44:26am

Baby Whiplash is such a silly little asshat

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:44:39am

PHEW

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:45:16am

Projecting again like an IMAX in outer space

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:45:27am

re: #281 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is such a silly little asshat

no evidence, yet, that shooter was a ‘radical’ Muslim. But that doesn’t matter to Baby Ben.

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:46:14am

Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, Secretary Hillary Clinton.

Suck it, Donald.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:46:40am
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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:47:03am

re: #285 Jenner7

Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, Secretary Hillary Clinton.

Suck it, Donald.

trump is too worried right now wondering if the Russians have his who I fucked list.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:47:08am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:48:01am

Sofa King stupid I just can’t even.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:49:23am

re: #281 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is such a silly little asshat

We’re angry at the shooter for the killings.
We’re angry at the gun manufacturer for selling weapons that can cause this much damage this quickly.
We’re angry at anyone who attempts to turn this country away from the ideals of individual freedom.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:49:27am

re: #284 Sir John Barron

no evidence, yet, that shooter was a ‘radical’ Muslim. But that doesn’t matter to Baby Ben.

And even if the shooter was a radical Muslim, what difference would that make? I suspect the RWNJ just wants to use that as a basis for rounding up whoever they believe is a “radical” Muslim, apart from the commission of any crime. That’s the only thing I can think of that wingnuts would want to emphasize this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:49:56am
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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:50:18am

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

Someone needs to remind him, then, that the failure W isn’t president anymore…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:50:26am

re: #290 Belafon

We’re angry at the shooter for the killings.
We’re angry at the gun manufacturer for selling weapons that can cause this much damage this quickly.
We’re angry at anyone who attempts to turn this country away from the ideals of individual freedom.

And the shooter happens to be dead, so for the POTUS to be “angry” at the shooter, or at Islam, would be ridiculous.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:50:32am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:51:58am

re: #291 Sir John Barron

And even if the shooter was a radical Muslim, what difference would that make? I suspect the RWNJ just wants to use that as a basis for rounding up whoever they believe is a “radical” Muslim, apart from the commission of any crime. That’s the only thing I can think of that wingnuts would want to emphasize this.

Or they just want to have US officials constantly pontificating about evil radical Muslims because that kind of rhetoric stokes them up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:52:57am
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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:53:00am

Even the rocks are enchanted in New Mexico.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:53:08am

re: #288 The Vicious Babushka

RESET THE CLOCK!

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:54:47am

Heh.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:55:02am

General Joseph Dunford, chairman JCS, was standing beside Obama during his statement. Barbara Starr, CNN pointed out how significant that was as Obama was clearly going after Trump. The Pentagon does not like to be political.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:55:58am

Oh hey L’il Whiplash, the nuns don’t have to buy contraceptives FOR THEMSELVES, it’s the DENYING IT TO OTHERS that’s a violation of Freedom of Religion.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:56:15am

Way to go Pres!

And Benny Shapiro can piss off. The hate in his soul is going to be his demise.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:56:23am

re: #301 blueraven

General Joseph Dunford, chairman JCS, was standing beside Obama during his statement. Barbara Starr, CNN pointed out how significant that was as Obama was clearly going after Trump. The Pentagon does not like to be political.

If Trump managed to get in the Oval Office, there would be a purge of the office corps not seen since Stalin.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:56:27am

re: #301 blueraven

General Joseph Dunford, chairman JCS, was beside Obama during his statement. Barbara Starr, CNN pointed out how significant that was as Obama was clearly going after Trump. The Pentagon does not like to be political.

The Pentagon knows that their life under CiC Trump would be Hell on Earth…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:58:17am
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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:58:44am

re: #305 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Pentagon knows that their life under CiC Trump would be Hell on Earth…

Assumes facts not in evidence. Namely that there’d be life on Earth after Trump is office for any amount of time seeing how Trump might launch nukes at someone because he was insulted.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:59:18am

re: #304 Timothy Watson

If Trump managed to get in the Oval Office, there would be a purge of the office corps not seen since Stalin.

Michael Flynn…RT, Putin admiring general (retired) on short list for Trump VP.

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plansbandc  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:01:54am

re: #298 wrenchwench

I love him/her!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:02:02am

OSAMA BIN LADEN YOU DUMBSHIT

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allegro  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:02:11am

With each passing day I’m thinking more that Trump will not come out of Cleveland as the R nominee. I know the arguments that the party can’t do anything to stop it. Still. This is just astounding.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:03:32am

re: #311 allegro

With each passing day I’m thinking more that Trump will not come out of Cleveland as the R nominee. I know the arguments that the party can’t do anything to stop it. Still. This is just astounding.

Everything Trump has said is what the base believes. If he doesn’t make it out as the nominee, I’m not sure any other nominee will physically make it out of Cleveland.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:04:04am

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

OSAMA BIN LADEN YOU DUMBSHIT

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Wrong again, Kyrstol. But I repeat myself!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:04:14am

re: #311 allegro

With each passing day I’m thinking more that Trump will not come out of Cleveland as the R nominee. I know the arguments that the party can’t do anything to stop it. Still. This is just astounding.

especially when they see how Trump treats the press and realize how it will reflect on the GOP as a whole…

it is too late to avert a catastrophe, all they can do is decide what sort of catastrophe they prefer

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:05:08am

re: #313 Belafon

Everything Trump has said is what the base believes. If he doesn’t make it out as the nominee, I’m not sure any other nominee will physically make it out of Cleveland.

There will be blood.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:05:42am

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it is too late to avert a catastrophe, all they can do is decide what sort of catastrophe they prefer

QFT

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:07:27am

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

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ChuckJager95  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:08:11am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:08:39am

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

The president never gets angry.

President gets angry.

President’s angry self righteous speeches don’t help us.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:09:36am

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s indeed too late. They’ll either have a disaster in Cleveland where they try to replace the nut who got the most votes in the GOP primaries, or it’ll be a disaster in November when the GOP loses control of the Senate, loses seats in the House, and maybe loses a bunch more at the local level.

Trump’s idiocy is exposing the GOP to sunlight, and disinfecting can only begin once the GOP recognizes that the problem is their own odious policies. Trump is the symptom, not merely the problem. The GOP ideology is the problem.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:09:41am

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

“make us safer” — invading another Islamic country and rounding up all American Muslims for detention.

///

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:11:00am

Not the first time I’ve seen a story along these lines…

“I’m sorry that you can’t see my eight years of service in the United States Navy. I’m sorry that your narrow misogynistic world view can’t conceive of the fact that there are female Veterans. I’m sorry that I have to explain myself to people like you. Mostly, I’m sorry that we didn’t get a chance to have this conversation face to face, and that you didn’t have the integrity and intestinal fortitude to identify yourself, qualities the military emphasizes.”

She concluded by asking the author of the note, “I served, did you?”

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:13:16am

re: #311 allegro

With each passing day I’m thinking more that Trump will not come out of Cleveland as the R nominee. I know the arguments that the party can’t do anything to stop it. Still. This is just astounding.

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

especially when they see how Trump treats the press and realize how it will reflect on the GOP as a whole…

it is too late to avert a catastrophe, all they can do is decide what sort of catastrophe they prefer

There does seem to be some talk there are ways to Dump Trump™.

Much of it seems to center on rules about the first floor vote. I’m guessing because I don’t know RNC nomination rules at their convention, but it seems if he does not get the nomination on the first floor vote all bets are off.

Can the delegates turn on Trump and not vote for him on the first vote and throw the whole process into a new candidate vote later? I have a feeling that may be the case, but I have no idea how that would be done.

I agree it will not go down well if they try to dump him. I fear for Cleveland.

And then there are what my one friend has said for the last four months. There are too many powerful people behind the scenes of the Republican party. Big power. Big Money with a lot to lose with Trump. Will they move to eliminate him one way or another?

I am not a proponent of violence…but I will say nothing would surprise me. This is truly trying times for the RNC.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:13:31am

Good grief, another one
nydailynews.com

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:13:56am
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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:14:54am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

Walmart shoppers evacuated from Texas store after shooter takes hostages

But, but, Texas! Where are all the good guys with guns™?

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:15:16am

Heh!

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:17:37am

Texas: 12.8 registered firearms per 1,000 people.
reverbpress.com

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:20:41am
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Sherlock Hound  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:21:48am

re: #263 Franklin

MY CONGRESSMAN! Lives in my neighborhood, too!

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:22:39am

re: #328 Timothy Watson

But, but, Texas! Where are all the good guys with guns™?

They avoid Walmart, afraid of being swallowed up by the Jade Helm tunnels.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:23:08am

re: #234 Great White Snark

I have a question, since I truly don’t know. We have a hunting rifle and beyond that I haven’t owned a firearm since I was single and did a lot of camping on my own(over 30 yrs ago). How easy would it be to convert a gun like the one this murderer used from semi to fully automatic?

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:23:13am

re: #332 Sherlock Hound

MY CONGRESSMAN! Lives in my neighborhood, too!

Excellent! I’m down in Boston but I am impressed with what I have seen of him so far.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:23:16am

Obama: “Calling A Threat By A Different Name Does Not Make It Go Away. This Is A Political Distraction”

Lil’ Donnie is going to need some diaper cream following that spanking.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:24:28am

re: #331 Kragar

But, but, but….radical Islamic terrorists!!!!!1

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:24:52am

Fox News: Active shooter, possible hostages at Amarillo, Texas Walmart

Police were looking for a Somali man wearing khaki pants, KFDA added. Officers reportedly were evacuating shoppers from the west side of the store.

How the hell do they know his heritage?

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:25:19am

re: #330 jaunte

Texas: 12.8 registered firearms per 1,000 people.
reverbpress.com

Isn’t this a typo? It’s Texas - shouldn’t that figure be 12.8 registered firearm per 10 people??

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:25:25am

re: #91 ObserverArt

That is going to be changing. China is realizing there was a reason for all those standards in America. Their issues with pollution and factories blowing clear off the face of the planet is going to force it. People are not going to stand for it. Other countries will follow too. People want to live decently so they loved the jobs when they got them, even at low rates. Then they get some economy going and they want more and a better life. It’s natural.

I think there will be a way to do business equilibrium that goes across the world where manufacturing, etc. all become similar and it will be just as costly to manufacture there as it is here.

I have always thought economies strengthening and global trade and commercialism would be an end to wars and to some degree outrageous governments.

You’re far more optimistic than I am.

There will always be countries willing to sell their people into peonage for a small scrap of the loot. Look at Britain and the Brexit. That will be Britain’s fate if it leaves the European Union, and I’m sure the people pushing for it know that.

And it isn’t just governments that can be outrageous. Corporations can be also, and they’re just as willing to do anything for profit as governments are for power. Just look at the TPP and its ‘investor protection’ where an ‘independent arbitration board’ can decide a country’s laws have interfered with a corporation’s profits and make the taxpayers of that country liable to replace those profits.

Currently nations are local and economies are global. That puts nations at a disadvantage. The ‘global economy’ will try very hard to keep it that way.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:25:38am

Hillary dishing it out now.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:25:52am

re: #339 Jay C

Seems like it, from all the big talk. It surprised me.

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:25:58am

re: #341 Sir John Barron

Hillary dishing it out now.

Link?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:26:16am

re: #343 Franklin

Link?

TV. CNN

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:26:21am

re: #338 Dr. Matt

Fox News: Active shooter, possible hostages at Amarillo, Texas Walmart

How they hell do they know his heritage?

Wanted fugitive?

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:26:37am

re: #237 lawhawk

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So the Russians are relying on hacking the DNC to get oppo research on Trump. Guess they figured the RNC didn’t have anything to work with?

<tinfoil>Or they’re helping “their” candidate…</tinfoil>

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:26:44am
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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:27:19am

re: #344 Sir John Barron

TV. CNN

Thanks!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:27:45am

L’il Whiplash is having “Good Guy With A Gun” fantasies

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:28:58am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

L’il Whiplash is having “Good Guy With A Gun” fantasies

Ben has a persecution and martyr complex, visions of grandiosity.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:29:50am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

L’il Whiplash is having “Good Guy With A Gun” fantasies

Nobody gives a crap about your peashooters and bee bee guns, Ben.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:29:58am

re: #347 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Ah, just typical workplace violence.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:30:05am

re: #338 Dr. Matt

Fox News: Active shooter, possible hostages at Amarillo, Texas Walmart

How they hell do they know his heritage?

There are quite a few Somali immigrants in Amarillo. They work at the meat packing plants there. To an Amarilloan, any African is therefore likely to be a Somali since they are not aware that any other Africans exist.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:30:28am

re: #340 Romantic Heretic

You’re far more optimistic than I am.

There will always be countries willing to sell their people into peonage for a small scrap of the loot. Look at Britain and the Brexit. That will be Britain’s fate if it leaves the European Union, and I’m sure the people pushing for it know that.

And it isn’t just governments that can be outrageous. Corporations can be also, and they’re just as willing to do anything for profit as governments are for power. Just look at the TPP and its ‘investor protection’ where an ‘independent arbitration board’ can decide a country’s laws have interfered with a corporation’s profits and make the taxpayers of that country liable to replace those profits.

Currently nations are local and economies are global. That puts nations at a disadvantage. The ‘global economy’ will try very hard to keep it that way.

Yes, I may well be. I think it is a little of the old Catholic schooling background, being an artist and coming through the Hippie 60s as a teen.

I can get negative and cynical…but overall I never give up hope.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:31:57am

Hillary being purposely low-key, speaking softly but firmly. As I see it. Contrasting herself with Trump.

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BlueGrl21  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:32:04am

This thread looks like it may be on its last legs, but i just did my first page based on a post i made earlier. I decided to tighten it up and be very clear and concise about my experiences with gun control and the gun nut community, my own bipolar illness, and where my mind is today. Hint: It’s not crazy and it’s pissed off.

Thank you to everyone who suggested i page it and to the people that explained AR-15s to me. Feedback is always welcome and i will adjust accordingly.

Charles, thank you for giving me this space to write. It may not make a difference in the end, but it made a difference to me.

Link

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:32:58am

re: #353 Shiplord Kirel

There are quite a few Somali immigrants in Amarillo. They work at the meat packing plants there. To an Amarilloan, any African is therefore likely to be a Somali since they are not aware that any other Africans exist.

10-4. Didn’t know that.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:33:30am

re: #352 Stanley Sea

Ah, just typical workplace violence.

Yeah no big deal. It happens all the time.

Welcome to America. Good luck!

/ just in case.

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:33:38am
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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:34:30am

re: #338 Dr. Matt

It may be a workplace-related incident, in which case the employee/employer/workers knew each other, and those individuals were relayed to authorities.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:36:48am

re: #338 Dr. Matt

Fox News: Active shooter, possible hostages at Amarillo, Texas Walmart

How they hell do they know his heritage?

Damnit. I read some of the comments. I know…never read the comments.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:38:44am

re: #360 lawhawk

It may be a workplace-related incident, in which case the employee/employer/workers knew each other, and those individuals were relayed to authorities.

True. But, I just thought it was interesting that such details are already known by the media.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:41:17am

I’d say this is unbelievable but his depravity knows no bounds.

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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:42:20am

re: #356 BlueGrl21

This thread looks like it may be on its last legs, but i just did my first page based on a post i made earlier. I decided to tighten it up and be very clear and concise about my experiences with gun control and the gun nut community, my own bipolar illness, and where my mind is today. Hint: It’s not crazy and it’s pissed off.

Thank you to everyone who suggested i page it and to the people that explained AR-15s to me. Feedback is always welcome and i will adjust accordingly.

Charles, thank you for giving me this space to write. It may not make a difference in the end, but it made a difference to me.

Link

Well done!

Thanks for including the link.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:42:38am

Will someone please ask Benny Shapiro what the Republicans have done to make his world safer?

I’m thinking nothing…but don’t expect him to say it.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:43:06am

re: #363 InfidelOfFreedom

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:43:38am

re: #365 ObserverArt

Will someone please ask Benny Shapiro what the Republicans have done to make his world safer?

I’m thinking nothing…but don’t expect him to say it.

They’ve allowed more guns.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:44:34am

re: #363 InfidelOfFreedom

I’d say this is unbelievable but his depravity knows no bounds.

Jerry Falwell, Jr, Phylis Shlafly, and Ralph Reed must love this tweet.

//

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:46:11am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:46:35am

re: #363 InfidelOfFreedom

I’d say this is unbelievable but his depravity knows no bounds.

Trump: Dear LGBT people, I won’t bring people to this country who will threaten your freedoms, I’ll just appoint a bunch of people who hate you and will take away your freedoms. Thanks, LGBT people, I love you, you’re terrific.

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allegro  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:46:45am

I notice that Trump is appropriating Hillary’s “I will fight for you” line. Asshat.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:50:09am
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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:52:04am
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:52:22am
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withak  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:53:33am

I’m about ready to request a moratorium on Baby Ben tweets. He’s so far up his own ass, what passes for his “thoughts” are no longer worth discussing, even just to mock them.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:55:04am

These stories from survivors on CNN are heartbreaking.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:55:25am

re: #363 InfidelOfFreedom

I’d say this is unbelievable but his depravity knows no bounds.

I bet there aren’t any LGBT who “thanked” Donald. He’s just trying to imply that there are.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:55:29am

re: #372 Kragar

At least one “endorsement” by an LGBT group was a counterfeit Twitter account made right after Orlando.

The internet is amazing in that it allows everyone to be their own Goebbels.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:00:20am

If you missed Obama’s statement earlier today.

c-span.org

Well worth your time!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:01:58am
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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:04:17am

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Subtly pointing out that Trump will listen to NO advisers.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:04:49am

Please Mr President, don’t follow tradition on this one.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:05:57am

re: #378 The Ghost of a Flea


At least one “endorsement” by an LGBT group was a counterfeit Twitter account made right after Orlando.

The internet is amazing in that it allows everyone to be their own Goebbels.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:06:04am

Well, I may have solved one of my more immediate problems, lol. This morning I put up a long post on Facebook about how Hate is going to be our undoing. Lack of community, isolation, hatred and so on create disaffected people who in turn don’t respond well. I didn’t say a word about guns, just about how hate makes it impossible to make good decisions and that all of us are responsible for creating and maintaining a community based on solid ground. Stopping the madness means, well, stopping it. I mean what did your Mom say when you said “well, HE started it!!!”? That my heart keeps breaking every time I see people post hateful shit online, people I know and expect better from. The only person that’s responded, over 6 hours ago, is my son.

I have the feeling that the party we’re throwing in July is going to be sparsely populated, lol. And I don’t expect the charity motorcycle event we’re supposed to participate in this weekend is going to give me the warmest reception either. We’ll see….heh.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:07:31am

re: #374 jaunte

Did that include yesterday’s shootings in West Virginia that appeared to be over a dispute about firewood?

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:08:02am
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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:08:15am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:08:34am

Oh, dog, Pam Biondi on my teevee….

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:34:05am

re: #382 blueraven

Does anyone envision the WH agreeing to Intel briefings w Trump, which is tradition but not law, after today’s speech?
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) June 14, 2016.

Trump has zero business getting access to Top Secret intel briefings. He has zero accountability and zero credibility.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:28:28pm

re: #330 jaunte

Texas: 12.8 registered firearms per 1,000 people.
reverbpress.com

1280 unregistered firarms per 1000 people. ///


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