Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton, “Bernie or Busters” Disconsolate

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Here’s the transcript of Bernie Sanders’ speech today in which he finally faced the reality of the Democratic campaign and, at long last, endorsed Hillary Clinton.

Secretary Clinton has won the Democratic nominating process, and I congratulate her for that. She will be the Democratic nominee for president and I intend to do everything I can to make certain she will be the next president of the United States.

I have come here today not to talk about the past but to focus on the future. That future will be shaped more by what happens on November 8 in voting booths across our nation than by any other event in the world. I have come here to make it as clear as possible as to why I am endorsing Hillary Clinton and why she must become our next president.

During the last year I had the extraordinary opportunity to speak to more than 1.4 million Americans at rallies in almost every state in this country. I was also able to meet with many thousands of other people at smaller gatherings. And the profound lesson that I have learned from all of that is that this campaign is not really about Hillary Clinton, or Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders, or any other candidate who sought the presidency. This campaign is about the needs of the American people and addressing the very serious crises that we face. And there is no doubt in my mind that, as we head into November, Hillary Clinton is far and away the best candidate to do that.

Needless to say, die-hard Bernie or Busters like H. A. Goodman are not taking this very well. At all.

Goodman’s Twitter timeline is an extended shrieking meltdown. Pretty amusing if you’re a connoisseur of meltdowns.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:23:58pm

I see HA has shifted his affections to Jill Stein.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:24:59pm

Trump/The Grinch. If it’s true, there is a dog.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:26:05pm

re: #2 Frankie Five Angels

Yeah - Gingrinch is almost as easy to campaign against as Trumpelthinskin!

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Dave In Austin  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:26:51pm

Charles, Are you prepped to change up the Trump BumperSticker Generator to include Golden Yams running mate?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:28:49pm

HAGis a Republican stooge—probably in fact, certainly in deed.

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lawhawk  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:31:00pm

Today has been a good day for meltdown connoisseurs. Between this and the President’s speech in Dallas, we’ve got meltdowns on both sides of the moonbat/wingnut convergence.

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nines09  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:31:44pm
And here they are, ladies and gentlemen of the GOP! Our very own Donald TRUMP and NEWT Gingrich!!!!! Clap clap clap……
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:33:49pm

re: #2 Frankie Five Angels

Trump/The Grinch. If it’s true, there is a dog.

Anybody got the Photoshop skillz to change the “9” to a “1”?

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Great White Snark  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:34:16pm
Jeb Bush Won’t Vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton: ‘Presidency Is Sacred Ground’ (Video)

Just take in the part left in. Can Trump win without key GOP endorsements? I don’t think so.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:34:54pm

re: #5 Decatur Deb

HAGis a Republican stooge—probably in fact, certainly in deed.

I’m sure that missing space was just a typo—but an inspired one.

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VegasGolfer  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:35:48pm

re: #9 Great White Snark

Then you shouldn’t have voted to re-elect your stupid brother, asshole.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:37:09pm

re: #11 VegasGolfer

Then you shouldn’t have voted to re- committed egregious election fraud to elect your stupid brother, asshole.

Fixxed.

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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:38:02pm

re: #12 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Fixxed.

The fix was in!

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VegasGolfer  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:39:50pm

re: #12 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Fixxed.

Forgot about that, because i was mad reading what i just read.

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stpaulbear  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:40:22pm

This weekend a crew came in and laid out 2’ dia steel pipe along the length of my street for a new industrial gas line. Monday they closed off all but one route out of my neighborhood.

I got home from work today and there’s a porta-san chained to the tree in front of my house. Yay.

I think the rest of this summer is going to suck around here. I hope the prevailing winds aren’t from the east.

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:41:34pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:42:04pm

he’s too busy

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:43:45pm

/blink

/blinkblink

I just saw a tweet from a “liberal” saying that if Republicans had tried to impeach Obama because of the drone program, she might have been on board with that.

I just don’t even know where to start with that. (Not linking because reasons, but…)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:43:47pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

he’s too busy

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Hillz will be there, however.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:43:54pm

re: #9 Great White Snark

“The simple fact is there’s a threshold past which anybody who steps in the Oval Office must go past,” Bush tells MSNBC

Former Florida governor and failed GOP presidential candidate Jeb Bush told MSNBC’s Nicole Wallace that he won’t vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton because the candidates don’t “pass the threshold” to be president.

I see a lot of talk from Republicans about Hillary being not qualified, but I’ve never seen them go very deep into specifics about skill, it’s always a list of debatable “scandals.”

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makeitstop  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:43:59pm

re: #8 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Anybody got the Photoshop skillz to change the “9” to a “1”?

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KGxvi  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:44:07pm

re: #9 Great White Snark

Just take in the part left in. Can Trump win without key GOP endorsements? I don’t think so.

“If you believe like I do that the presidency is sacred ground and you want a president who upholds the Constitution, and I don’t think either of the candidates fulfill that primary kind of objective, then I can’t vote for either one of them,” Bush said.

The presidency is not sacred ground. It is an administrative office. Yes, it comes with very grand expectations and obligations, but it is not sacred. Hell, it is not even “ground.” It’s a job, a very important one, but a job nonetheless.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:44:24pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

he’s too busy

He knows his core demographic.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:44:43pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

he’s too busy

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They’ll be very disappointed. I understand that the blacks love Donald Trump. Now where did I hear that from?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:44:50pm

Is there even one black man who can be compared to Donald Trump? It would take at least 3 black men combined: Don King, Mike Tyson and Idi Amin.

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Jenner7  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:46:41pm
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KGxvi  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:46:55pm

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

Is there even one black man who can be compared to Donald Trump? It would take at least 3 black men combined: Don King, Mike Tyson and Idi Amin.

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Mike Tyson accomplished a lot due to hard work and talent. I’m not sure you could say the same for anything Trump has done.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:47:03pm

re: #21 makeitstop

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K00l!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:47:22pm

re: #21 makeitstop

Brilliant! :D

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:48:13pm

re: #27 KGxvi

Mike Tyson accomplished a lot due to hard work and talent. I’m not sure you could say the same for anything Trump has done.

I can’t think of any black men who inherited a fortune and squandered it on stupid vanity projects.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:48:55pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

I can’t think of any black men who inherited a fortune and squandered it on stupid vanity projects.

Baby Doc.

But he probably doesn’t really count…

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dangerman  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:49:02pm

cat in a shark costume chases a duck while riding a roomba

words i never thought i’d see strung together in a coherent (English) sentence.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:49:17pm
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stpaulbear  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:50:00pm

re: #26 Jenner7

Not a hell of a lot of self-awareness there. What a moran.

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majii  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:50:10pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

If I were Trump, I would also decline the NAACP invitation after saying, “A lot of people feel that BLM is inherently racist.” He’s too afraid that one of the NAACP attendees would ask him what he meant by saying this. He’s a bomb-throwing, racist-peddling, divisive coward who will say stupid sh*t to one group of Americans that he’s not prepared to defend before another group.

Run, Chicken Trump, run. Run away from speaking to the NAACP group as fast as your lying, crooked legs will carry you.
talkingpointsmemo.com

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:52:50pm

re: #35 majii

His problem is that he’d have to have his security eject everyone from the event.

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:53:13pm

re: #26 Jenner7

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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:55:08pm

re: #32 dangerman

cat in a shark costume chases a duck while riding a roomba

words i never thought i’d see strung together in a coherent (English) sentence.

That seems to be an internet classic. I’ve seen it before and it is so popular I have seen people in forums using the cat as their selected avatar image. It is fun.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:56:21pm

re: #35 majii

Nice response to Trump’s continued use of “a lot of people think” to say things without actually saying them.

A lot of people feel that slaves were well-treated by their owners. A lot of people feel that black people are genetically disposed to criminality. A lot of people feel that Adam and Eve had vegetarian T-Rexes for neighbors in the Garden of Eden 5,000 years ago. A lot of people feel that evolution is a Satanic myth. A lot of people feel that aborted fetal tissue is in danger of getting into the food stream. A lot of people feel that Jade Helm was a government plot to take over Texas. A lot of people feel that vaccinations make kids autistic. A lot of people feel that the government is spraying the atmosphere with chemicals.

A lot of people are spectacularly ignorant, goggle-eyed lunatics.

A lot of people are white Republicans.

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dangerman  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:56:47pm

re: #38 ObserverArt

That seems to be an internet classic. I’ve seen it before and it is so popular I have seen people in forums using the cat as their selected avatar image. It is fun.

sigh - i’m always late to the party. and not so much fun when i’m there.

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KGxvi  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:56:56pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

I can’t think of any black men who inherited a fortune and squandered it on stupid vanity projects.

Other than that one Nigerian prince?

In all seriousness, there probably aren’t a lot of examples, at least in the United States, because until until the Baby Boomers there weren’t really many African Americans who had acquired significant wealth to pass on. Even now, there are two African American billionaires - Oprah Winfrey and Robert L Johnson. As to the larger issues that give rise to these facts, as we say in the law, they can speak for themselves.

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majii  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:57:11pm

re: #22 KGxvi

At this point, Jeb is grasping at straws to explain why he isn’t the 2016 GOP presidential nominee. I think the dude has gone off the deep end. He’s blaming Pope Francis for losing the SC primary by saying that the Pope holding an event at the border while Trump was railing about building a wall at the U.S./Mexico border “hurt” his chances of winning the primary. He then went on to say that the Pope’s event benefited Trump because Trump is a “master” at manipulating the media to serve his agenda. Sheesh. What a crybaby!!!

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KGxvi  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:58:31pm

re: #39 Skip Intro

Nice response to Trump’s continued use of “a lot of people think” to say things without actually saying them.

A lot of people feel that slaves were well-treated by their owners. A lot of people feel that black people are genetically disposed to criminality. A lot of people feel that Adam and Eve had vegetarian T-Rexes for neighbors in the Garden of Eden 5,000 years ago. A lot of people feel that evolution is a Satanic myth. A lot of people feel that aborted fetal tissue is in danger of getting into the food stream. A lot of people feel that Jade Helm was a government plot to take over Texas. A lot of people feel that vaccinations make kids autistic. A lot of people feel that the government is spraying the atmosphere with chemicals.

A lot of people are spectacularly ignorant, goggle-eyed lunatics.

A lot of people are white Republicans.

A lot of people “feeling” things and not actually “knowing” things.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 3:58:36pm

re: #40 dangerman

sigh - i’m always late to the party. and not so much fun when i’m there.

If you enjoy it, it’s all good.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:00:05pm

re: #6 lawhawk

Today has been a good day for meltdown connoisseurs. Between this and the President’s speech in Dallas, we’ve got meltdowns on both sides of the moonbat/wingnut convergence.

Three pieces of good news today, in no particular order: Obama and Bush in Dallas, the Sanders endorsement (finally) and Obama getting out of Dallas alive.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:01:31pm

You might get a chuckle out of this FARK thread.

Dildo brothers want federal prosecutors jailed alongside them because that would only be fair. Or something

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:02:56pm

re: #33 jaunte

He’s found a younger network to appear on?

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:02:59pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:03:03pm

re: #35 majii

If I were Trump, I would also decline the NAACP invitation after saying, “A lot of people feel that BLM is inherently racist.” He’s too afraid that one of the NAACP attendees would ask him what he meant by saying this. He’s a bomb-throwing, racist-peddling, divisive coward who will say stupid sh*t to one group of Americans that he’s not prepared to defend before another group.

Run, Chicken Trump, run. Run away from speaking to the NAACP group as fast as your lying, crooked legs will carry you.
talkingpointsmemo.com

But…but…but…look at my black over there. There’s my black!

Oh, I can’t make the NAACP convention, my black is not going to be there.

And the Blacks that will be there already have an opinion of Trump and he probably knows what it is. He knows they won’t be buying what he is selling so no reason to go there and be made the fool he is.

Plus, this probably looks good to the creatures he is actually counting on to vote for him.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:03:26pm

Dana MAHGUNZ!!11!! called the cops instead of grabbing her substitute penis. And what’s wrong with her photo?
washingtontimes.com

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:03:29pm

re: #44 Stanley Sea

If you enjoy it, it’s all good.

This is my opinion towards a lot of things right now.

Like, if you like it, it doesn’t hurt anyone, and it might make someone else smile, fuck everyone else who seems to think they need to rain on your parade.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:06:18pm

re: #35 majii

If I were Trump, I would also decline the NAACP invitation after saying, “A lot of people feel that BLM is inherently racist.” He’s too afraid that one of the NAACP attendees would ask him what he meant by saying this. He’s a bomb-throwing, racist-peddling, divisive coward who will say stupid sh*t to one group of Americans that he’s not prepared to defend before another group.

Run, Chicken Trump, run. Run away from speaking to the NAACP group as fast as your lying, crooked legs will carry you.
talkingpointsmemo.com

Trump can’t go speak to the NAACP. I’m sure he has all the best words for the occasion, but even the useless mainstream media in the US will start noticing things if Trump goes to the NAACP in full unfiltered Archie Bunker mode.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:06:23pm

Tweedy is trying to get Nena Turner to eat some crow…. Priceless!

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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:06:24pm

re: #40 dangerman

sigh - i’m always late to the party. and not so much fun when i’m there.

Awww…it was still fun for you, so there is that. The internet is vast.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:06:27pm

re: #50 Frankie Five Angels

Dana MAHGUNZ!!11!! called the cops instead of grabbing her substitute penis. And what’s wrong with her photo?
washingtontimes.com

The subject looks like a mean person, and has a gun pointed at her head.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:07:02pm

re: #55 No Country For Old Haters

The subject looks like a mean person, and has a gun pointed at her head.

And her finger on the trigger. Not a bright one, is she?

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KGxvi  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:09:07pm

re: #54 ObserverArt

The internet is vast.

And that’s just the socially acceptable part of the internet. Those parts we don’t talk about in public… I stared into the abyss and it stared back into me.

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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:09:10pm

re: #42 majii

At this point, Jeb is grasping at straws to explain why he isn’t the 2016 GOP presidential nominee. I think the dude has gone off the deep end. He’s blaming Pope Francis for losing the SC primary by saying that the Pope holding an event at the border while Trump was railing about building a wall at the U.S./Mexico border “hurt” his chances of winning the primary. He then went on to say that the Pope’s event benefited Trump because Trump is a “master” at manipulating the media to serve his agenda. Sheesh. What a crybaby!!!

No one is clapping for Jeb!…even now.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:11:21pm

re: #50 Frankie Five Angels

OFFS that photo. Seriously? What an idiot.

Second, someone trying to teach her a lesson would be assuming facts not in evidence, she’s not big on learning much of anything.

Third, I thought she had all these guns to protect her and she was scared of no one.

And last, I hope they do find the guy, if this is a for real thing he needs to be found and at the very least have the shit scared out of him. You don’t do that to people. But somehow I wonder just how real this “crazed liberal” is who is stalking her. I hate saying that because I know how it feels to be stalked and harassed. But if you lie and make shit up all the time for a living, it puts your word in doubt, even when real shit goes down. I hope she and her family are safe and this is just some bullshit from some dude in the middle of outer bumblefuck somewhere who wouldn’t know the first thing about finding her.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:11:38pm

re: #50 Frankie Five Angels

She always looks like that. She’s been mad so long her face has frozen.

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wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:12:38pm

re: #51 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is my opinion towards a lot of things right now.

Like, if you like it, it doesn’t hurt anyone, and it might make someone else smile, fuck everyone else who seems to think they need to rain on your parade.

I hate it when someone else needs to reign on my parade.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:13:52pm

re: #50 Frankie Five Angels

Dana MAHGUNZ!!11!! called the cops instead of grabbing her substitute penis. And what’s wrong with her photo?
washingtontimes.com

Is that photo a screengrab from the alleged video made by her troll?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:14:49pm

re: #42 majii

At this point, Jeb is grasping at straws to explain why he isn’t the 2016 GOP presidential nominee. I think the dude has gone off the deep end. He’s blaming Pope Francis for losing the SC primary by saying that the Pope holding an event at the border while Trump was railing about building a wall at the U.S./Mexico border “hurt” his chances of winning the primary. He then went on to say that the Pope’s event benefited Trump because Trump is a “master” at manipulating the media to serve his agenda. Sheesh. What a crybaby!!!

The alternative to casting Trump as a genius manipulator and political black swan is to admit that he’s serving a stronger formula of what the GOP has relied on. In other words, he stole a bunch their heavy consumers with a product they like bettter…Oreos versus Hydrox.

Basically, Bush is a carny diming another carny while pretending to be the vitcim.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:15:49pm

re: #59 A Mom Anon

And last, I hope they do find the guy, if this is a for real thing he needs to be found and at the very least have the shit scared out of him. You don’t do that to people. But somehow I wonder just how real this “crazed liberal” is who is stalking her. I hate saying that because I know how it feels to be stalked and harassed. But if you lie and make shit up all the time for a living, it puts your word in doubt, even when real shit goes down. I hope she and her family are safe and this is just some bullshit from some dude in the middle of outer bumblefuck somewhere who wouldn’t know the first thing about finding her.

She had no problem supporting the GamerGate assholes who hounded women with rape and death threats.

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makeitstop  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:16:38pm

re: #33 jaunte

Newt Gingrich and Fox News have agreed to part ways. Which can mean only one thing…

Newt’s found a younger, hotter network.

Borrowed from an earlier post.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:17:28pm

Republicans Randomly Bring Up Monica Lewinsky When Questioning Loretta Lynch About Hillary Clinton

Sure never saw this one coming.

huffingtonpost.com

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A Mom Anon  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:19:15pm

re: #64 Timothy Watson

Oh I know, but still, I feel like I can’t become the monster she is. I won’t do it. Not to say I wouldn’t fight back if she went after me, but I won’t become the fucking evil I see around me. Nope. And today was a HUGE test of that for me, trust me. I really want to be an asshole, but I have better things to do and bigger things to accomplish.

My son calls me Mighty Mom, he looks up to me. I remember that when I want to just fuck someone’s shit up, even if I feel like they have it coming.

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sagehen  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:22:21pm

re: #41 KGxvi

Even now, there are two African American billionaires - Oprah Winfrey and Robert L Johnson.

Dr Dre is a billionaire. Jay-Z isn’t yet, but he will be. So will Tyler Perry, and maybe Diddy.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:22:47pm

re: #63 The Ghost of a Flea

The alternative to casting Trump as a genius manipulator and political black swan is to admit that he’s serving a stronger formula of what the GOP has relied on. In other words, he stole a bunch their heavy consumers with a product they like bettter…Oreos versus Hydrox.

Basically, Bush is a carny diming another carny while pretending to be the vitcim.

Trump gives the GOP base large servings of red meat, while the other GOP politicians try to make do with giving the base puny servings of pink slime. So the GOP primary was a cake walk for Trump.

This lesson will not be ignored by any GOPers with ambitions for 2020. This is why Trump is definitely not a Black Swan.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:23:33pm

re: #16 gocart mozart

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I hope reality had a pre-nup.

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:24:21pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:24:54pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:25:26pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:25:51pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:28:16pm

re: #71 gocart mozart

The Bundy brothers can rot in jail until they are found guilty of their crimes. At that time, they will be entitled to time off the sentence for whatever time has already been served before trial.

That is what justice looks like, Mr. Domestic Terrorists.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:29:34pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

But…but…but…look at my black over there. There’s my black!

Oh, I can’t make the NAACP convention, my black is not going to be there.

And the Blacks that will be there already have an opinion of Trump and he probably knows what it is. He knows they won’t be buying what he is selling so no reason to go there and be made the fool he is.

Plus, this probably looks good to the creatures he is actually counting on to vote for him.

Trump thinks he can avoid any issue of bigotry by parading around his tokens. That is the epitome of white privilege.

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lizardofid  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:33:46pm

Later Lizards. I feel an Early Times coming on.

Peace

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KGxvi  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:35:04pm

re: #68 sagehen

Dr Dre is a billionaire. Jay-Z isn’t yet, but he will be. So will Tyler Perry, and maybe Diddy.

The list I was looking at must have been old. It listed all four of them, but had them further down the list. Still, They’re all either late Boomers or early Gen-Xers, they’re not the grandsons of millionaires like Trump.

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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:35:52pm

re: #76 The Vicious Babushka

Trump thinks he can avoid any issue of bigotry by parading around his tokens. That is the epitome of white privilege.

Damn right VB, and if any group in this country has learned anything about tokenism, it would be the African Americans and The Native Americans. Both groups have heard and seen it all. Talk about knowing optics…

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:36:02pm

re: #76 The Vicious Babushka

Trump thinks he can avoid any issue of bigotry by parading around his tokens. That is the epitome of white privilege.

It’s a bit worse than that. Trump’s tokens are fig leaves whose only purpose is to allow the media to continue to assume that Archie Bunker is not the presumptive Republican nominee.

Trump’s main appeal to the GOP base is that he is a racist and a bigot. The base is not fooled by Trump’s tokens.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:36:37pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:38:17pm

re: #59 A Mom Anon

OFFS that photo. Seriously? What an idiot.

Second, someone trying to teach her a lesson would be assuming facts not in evidence, she’s not big on learning much of anything.

Third, I thought she had all these guns to protect her and she was scared of no one.

And last, I hope they do find the guy, if this is a for real thing he needs to be found and at the very least have the shit scared out of him. You don’t do that to people. But somehow I wonder just how real this “crazed liberal” is who is stalking her. I hate saying that because I know how it feels to be stalked and harassed. But if you lie and make shit up all the time for a living, it puts your word in doubt, even when real shit goes down. I hope she and her family are safe and this is just some bullshit from some dude in the middle of outer bumblefuck somewhere who wouldn’t know the first thing about finding her.

These made-up threats the RWNJs come up with are always so obvious—I mean murderous-drug-crazed-hippies-“Acid is Groovy”-graffiti obvious. So no, Dana MaGunz is lying her ass off.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:40:34pm

re: #82 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

These made-up threats the RWNJs come up with are always so obvious—I mean murderous-drug-crazed-hippies-“Acid is Groovy”-graffiti obvious. So no, Dana MaGunz is lying her ass off.

That’s my suspicion as well. I might overdose on schadenfreude if a police investigation of this affair leads to the discovery that the supposed stalker is actually a RWNJ confederate of Ms. Gunz.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:40:42pm

re: #82 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Her ratings must be dropping.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:42:21pm

re: #82 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I lean this way too. But I am also a survivor of rape and violence so I am reluctant not to believe someone when they make that claim. Now, if it turns out she’s full of shit (and again, I do not give her the benefit of the doubt here, she has a history of being a lying sac of bloated protoplasm) that’s another matter entirely. Let’s see if it fades into obscurity or if the cops actually arrest someone. Then it should be a matter of public record and I’m sure she’ll crow and strut around like a little rooster. Let’s all not forget to keep checking this one.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:42:50pm

McConnell to speak at GOP convention

politico.com

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:42:52pm
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KGxvi  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:44:14pm

re: #83 EPR-radar

That’s my suspicion as well. I might overdose on schadenfreude if a police investigation of this affair leads to the discovery that the supposed stalker is actually a RWNJ confederate of Ms. Gunz.

According to the article, she recorded the stalker when he called and then he called again when the police were at her house. Either it’s real or it’s dinner theater level performance art.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:44:50pm

OK Kids, I have to go. My dog had surgery on her foot yesterday and we have to remove the dressing this evening. She split a toenail all the way back to under the skin and had to have it cut back to above the break which was under the skin. Because of course she did. This dog. Geesh. Good night Lizards. See ya later.

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mmmirele  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:44:59pm

re: #1 jaunte

I see HA has shifted his affections to Jill Stein.

Yeah, a person I know on FB said she shifted her affiliation to Stein.

Now, where’s Stein’s tax returns? I know a Forbes blogger who has been asking for them, for years…

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KGxvi  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:45:17pm

re: #86 Skip Intro

McConnell to speak at GOP convention

politico.com

Sneak peek first draft of McConnell’s speech:

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:45:54pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:46:17pm

re: #86 Skip Intro

McConnell to speak at GOP convention

politico.com

Cecil Turtle? “Uh, well….”

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:46:59pm

re: #32 dangerman

cat in a shark costume chases a duck while riding a roomba

words i never thought i’d see strung together in a coherent (English) sentence.

That is the best thing in the world. Ever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:47:40pm

Police say they have arrested three suspects and are seeking a possible fourth accused of stealing several handguns as part of an alleged plot to harm police officers in the Baton Rouge area.

Baton Rouge police Chief Carl Dabadie said in a press conference Tuesday that authorities discovered the plot while responding to a burglary at a pawn shop.

They arrested one suspect on the scene and then tracked down two others. Authorities called on the fourth suspect to turn himself in.

State Police Col. Mike Edmonson called it a “substantial credible threat” to police.

The arrests come after the deadly police shooting of a black man by two white police officers in the city and the killing of five police officers in Dallas last week.

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TedStriker  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:48:33pm

re: #71 gocart mozart

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:48:48pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

They are using this as an excuse for their actions the other day against protesters. Yeah. Sure.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:49:08pm

re: #92 gocart mozart

Let’s hope this gets her a prime speaking spot at the convention.

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KGxvi  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:49:38pm

re: #92 gocart mozart

Wait, wasn’t she the Peace & Freedom Party nominee a cycle or two ago?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:50:34pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:51:16pm

re: #85 A Mom Anon

I lean this way too. But I am also a survivor of rape and violence so I am reluctant not to believe someone when they make that claim. Now, if it turns out she’s full of shit (and again, I do not give her the benefit of the doubt here, she has a history of being a lying sac of bloated protoplasm) that’s another matter entirely. Let’s see if it fades into obscurity or if the cops actually arrest someone. Then it should be a matter of public record and I’m sure she’ll crow and strut around like a little rooster. Let’s all not forget to keep checking this one.

I’m just extremely skeptical of the language used in these supposed threats. Not to take anything away from people who suffer real harassment.

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KGxvi  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:51:31pm

re: #98 Skip Intro

Let’s hope this gets her a prime speaking spot at the convention.

They can always have her sing the national anthem:

Rosanne Singing National Anthem

Don’t push play, seriously, don’t do it… Abandon all hope, ye who press play.

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Lidane  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:53:14pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:54:36pm

re: #102 KGxvi

They can always have her sing the national anthem:

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Don’t push play, seriously, don’t do it… Abandon all hope, ye who press play.

She can serve the cookies.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:58:55pm

re: #102 KGxvi

They can always have her sing the national anthem:

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Don’t push play, seriously, don’t do it… Abandon all hope, ye who press play.

Could have been worse—could have been Amazing Grace.

Although for my money, the hardest song to hit the notes exactly right on is Send in the Clowns.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:00:46pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

One more thing for the Quislings at GOProud and the Log Cabin Republicans to deny about their chosen abomination of a political party.

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Archangelus  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:01:06pm

re: #102 KGxvi

They can always have her sing the national anthem:

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Don’t push play, seriously, don’t do it… Abandon all hope, ye who press play.

I pushed play…. Why oh WHY did i press play…

We Didn’t Listen!!!

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KGxvi  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:02:17pm

re: #105 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Could have been worse—could have been Amazing Grace.

Although for my money, the hardest song to hit the notes exactly right on is Send in the Clowns.

I’m not sure it could have been any worse, she got a crowd in a Navy town, during Desert Storm to boo the national anthem.

As for hitting the notes on Send in the Clowns, the GOP seems to be doing a pretty good job on that song this year.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:02:30pm

So now I’m hearing that Gingrich is moving over to CNN. What I don’t understand is why they haven’t offered Palin a job.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:02:38pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:02:41pm

re: #84 Skip Intro

Her ratings must be dropping.

She has to change the subject from all the killings.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:02:51pm

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:04:18pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mr. RNC PR BS is grateful for all opportunities to talk about supposed Democrats in disarray.

Anything is better for him than thinking about next week in Cleveland.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:04:37pm

The Brisket turned out very well. Made some awesome burnt ends.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:05:01pm

re: #103 Lidane

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:05:07pm

re: #97 GlutenFreeJesus

They are using this as an excuse for their actions the other day against protesters. Yeah. Sure.

Yep, they are saying that’s why those cops were covered in gear against the young lady in a sun dress.

I feel for the population of BR right now.

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KGxvi  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:05:36pm

re: #107 Archangelus

I pushed play…. Why oh WHY did i press play…

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Video

I seriously contemplated not including the video, I haven’t actually seen it since probably the early to mid 90s, it is that well etched into my brain.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:05:41pm

re: #114 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

The Brisket turned out very well. Made some awesome burnt ends.

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How big was that?

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:07:05pm

re: #114 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

The Brisket turned out very well. Made some awesome burnt ends.

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Is the green egg treating you well?

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:07:44pm
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Nojay UK  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:08:04pm

re: #105 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Could have been worse—could have been Amazing Grace
 .

Amazing Grace is a hymn, for human voice with optional accompaniment. It is not, repeat, not a pipe tune and should not be played on an instrument with a tonal range of just over an octave. James Doohan, I’m looking at you.

If you want a memorial pipe tune with a military flavour, Flowers of the Forest is the obvious choice. The local pipe band played it at my father’s funeral (Royal Navy during WWII).

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:08:08pm

re: #118 Dave In Austin

How big was that?

Started with a 7lbs untrimmed. Took the fat cap down to about 1/8 inch. Smoked at 220 for 6 hours with hickory wood. Wrapped in foil and smoked at 200 for 3 more hours with apple wood. Wrapped again in foil for 2 hours in the cooler.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:09:08pm

re: #119 Stanley Sea

Is the green egg treating you well?

Definitely getting the moneys worth. Wouldn’t trade it for anything right now.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:10:00pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:12:04pm

re: #120 gocart mozart

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that is absolutely brilliant

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Brian J.  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:12:09pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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This could be effective for him. How do you think Sanders did so well in all those white conservative states? Admittedly, many of Sanders’ voters were just anti-Clinton voters, so he’s just getting his own base back.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:12:40pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

This was always the most obvious thing for Trump to try in the general election. But there shouldn’t be many gettable votes with this. Working class people who are into white nationalism have already been consistently voting (R) for decades.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:13:06pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

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doesnt understand what it is that is really rigged

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:15:09pm

new reuters ipsos poll has hillary ahead by 13% up from 10%

m.dailykos.com

which is really great unless we’re all just fooling ourselves and no officer i didnt say anything bad about president trump i swear

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Testy Toad T  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:18:12pm

God save me from the land war in Russia that is politics on Facebook. I’ll just drop it here instead:

There is no surer predictor of middle-class white privilege than the presidential “protest vote”. Funny how people with actual skin in the game aren’t willing to tickle that dragon’s tail, while you or I are worried about taking a haircut on our fucking 401(k).

Whew.

Anyhoo, I salute Senator Sanders for a complete, magnanimous endorsement. It came annoyingly late, but I have a big tent and I’m happy to have him under it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:18:26pm

re: #129 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

new reuters ipsos poll has hillary ahead by 13% up from 10%

m.dailykos.com

which is really great unless we’re all just fooling ourselves and no officer i didnt say anything bad about president trump i swear

Just hope people don’t get too confident. I’m optimistic but we need every vote for Clinton against Trump that can be gotten.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:19:54pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs
LOL. Dig Trump, openly trying to convert the Bernie or Busters to his racist campaign.

This is, to be honest, the only evidence I see that Trump is actually trying to win and/or stay competitive, rather than running a Potemkin Campaign to line his own pockets.

And it’s not exactly the strongest of evidence, if we’re being honest.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:20:41pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Just hope people don’t get too confident. I’m optimistic but we need every vote for Clinton against Trump that can be gotten.

Oh, come on! It’s in the bag! We don’t even have to show up!

//// x 10^23

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Testy Toad T  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:22:02pm

re: #133 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, come on! It’s in the bag! We don’t even have to show up!

//// x 10^23

Holy mole, that’s a lot of sarcasm.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:23:23pm

re: #133 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, come on! It’s in the bag! We don’t even have to show up!

//// x 10^23

I’d very much like to see the House GOP gerrymandering backfire on the Republicans this election because of Trump. If that happens, GOP losses in the House could be enough to satisfy even me (and I’m very greedy about things like this).

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A Cranky One  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:24:03pm

HT to Targetpractice

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:24:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:25:11pm

re: #135 EPR-radar

I’d very much like to see the House GOP gerrymandering backfire on the Republicans this election because of Trump. If that happens, GOP losses in the House could be enough to satisfy even me (and I’m very greedy about things like this).

That would be good. I want to see them forced to own Trump.

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meteor  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:25:28pm

re: #10 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Haggis, the food? :)

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lawhawk  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:25:57pm

NRO can’t help themselves:

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:26:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:27:35pm

re: #140 lawhawk

NRO can’t help themselves:

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They never can. Once a racist mag always a racist mag.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:28:13pm

At the All-Star sportsball game that’s happening tonight, apparently.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:28:41pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:29:08pm

re: #114 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

The Brisket turned out very well. Made some awesome burnt ends.

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Looks really good.

I did some Dinosaur bones and tri-tip sunday.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:29:15pm

re: #140 lawhawk

That’s pathetic, even for the racist-enabling sociopaths at the NRO. There really is no bottom for any Republican. The NRO gang is essentially the same as Trump, once the various pretenses are stripped away.

Both want the rich to rule, absolutely.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:30:22pm

re: #143 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Is this as effed up as I think it is?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:31:18pm

re: #147 EPR-radar

Is this as effed up as I think it is?

Pretty much.

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Jenner7  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:31:53pm

If only all lives mattered….

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lawhawk  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:32:23pm

re: #146 EPR-radar

I’ve said from the outset the only difference between Trump and the rest of the GOP is style, not substance. Their socioeconomic policies are the same. Their revisionist history is the same. Their ahistoricity is the same. Amoral and fact-free.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:32:47pm

re: #145 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Looks really good.

I did some Dinosaur bones and tri-tip sunday.

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Mouth watering right there.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:33:28pm

re: #140 lawhawk

NRO can’t help themselves:

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They’ll never change.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:33:47pm

re: #150 lawhawk

I’ve said from the outset the only difference between Trump and the rest of the GOP is style, not substance. Their socioeconomic policies are the same. Their revisionist history is the same. Their ahistoricity is the same. Amoral and fact-free.

Which if you even really listen to Trump’s GOP critics they even admit this. Honestly, in a way I find Trump more refreshing since he doesn’t hide what a fanatic bigot he is behind a false veneer of “civility” like Romney and the others that speak out against him do.

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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:33:49pm

re: #147 EPR-radar

Is this as effed up as I think it is?

Yes.

I’m white…and I am getting damn sick of the white butt hurt.

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Jenner7  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:33:56pm

Oh yeah? When? This is laughable.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:34:37pm

re: #152 No Country For Old Haters

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They’ll never change.

They were a racist publication when that bigot Buckley founded them and they’re one still.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:35:22pm

re: #155 Jenner7

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Oh yeah? When? This is laughable.

How the hell would Pence know about Main Street? He’s been supporting GOP policiies that fuck over Main Street for years.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:35:23pm

Oh look. Republicans know there’s nothing with Benghazi or the emails. So now they are going after the Clinton Foundation. More of our tax money wasted for these witch hunts. Hurrah.

cnn.com

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:36:14pm

re: #151 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Mouth watering right there.

Thanks, found a place that sells full size pieces of air seasoned smoking woods so I got some hickory. The ribs were seriously some of my best.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:36:45pm

re: #154 ObserverArt

Yes.

I’m white…and I am getting damn sick of the white butt hurt.

IMO, “All lives matter” in this context is racist on its face. There’s simply no excuse for this kind of bullshit.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:37:52pm

re: #159 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Fruitawood? If that’s not your source, you should share yours and check FW out too. Would be a good comparison test.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:37:54pm

hey that bernie endorsement of hillary was positively glowing what? what?

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b.d.  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:37:59pm

I had no idea Pence was such a douche.

BENGHAZI!!

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:37:59pm

OMG. Not only was Pence a fucking bore on the stage now Trump is claiming he wrote what he’s reading and just said that the “police are the best of our society”…

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:38:03pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

How the hell would Pence know about Main Street? He’s been supporting GOP policiies that fuck over Main Street for years.

Trump’s MO of routinely stiffing his contractors is perfectly consistent with this.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:38:57pm

And a reminder about NRO. They called DeRay McKeeson a race baiter. Yeah because WFB and his support of Apartheid and Jim Crow wasn’t racist at all.

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Jenner7  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:39:05pm

re: #160 EPR-radar

It’s dismissive of the real racial disparity we have in this country. “All lives matter, nothing to see here…”

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nines09  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:39:11pm
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MsJ  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:39:19pm

re: #35 majii

If I were Trump, I would also decline the NAACP invitation after saying, “A lot of people feel that BLM is inherently racist.” He’s too afraid that one of the NAACP attendees would ask him what he meant by saying this. He’s a bomb-throwing, racist-peddling, divisive coward who will say stupid sh*t to one group of Americans that he’s not prepared to defend before another group.

Run, Chicken Trump, run. Run away from speaking to the NAACP group as fast as your lying, crooked legs will carry you.
talkingpointsmemo.com

But he has to wait to learn more about the KKK before saying anything. Ayup…uh huh…sure donny boy. Whatever you say.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:39:20pm

re: #163 b.d.

I had no idea Pence was such a douche.

BENGHAZI!!

Come on. Pence is a Republican elected official. That means he’s a big enough douchebag to affect the tides (on Jupiter) until proven otherwise.

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lockjawcanbefun  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:40:19pm

re: #143 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And altered the words as well.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:41:06pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Republican National Committee Adopts ‘Gay Conversion Therapy’ Into Party Platform

What a Republican National Committee may look like
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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:41:33pm

re: #160 EPR-radar

IMO, “All lives matter” in this context is racist on its face. There’s simply no excuse for this kind of bullshit.

Even on the most basic level it is belittling and says “you can’t ever say only one group of people matter because we matter as much or more.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:41:34pm

re: #171 lockjawcanbefun

Not actually watching the game so I was getting garbled reports on that.

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Jenner7  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:41:56pm
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Jenner7  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:42:35pm

Can’t watch the all star game, DISH and Fox 13 are fighting and they took the channel away.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:42:55pm

re: #172 No Country For Old Haters

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Yep Jim Hoft time for gays to go “home” to the party that thinks they’re sick and need to be “converted.”

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:42:57pm

Yes, because Obama is responsible for Chicago’s violence

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:43:28pm

There’s a study by some economist from Harvard that’s all over the news. Your crazy uncle on FB will be posting the Fox News version of it, if he hasn’t already.

The study looked at all aspects of policing in interactions between cops and persons of white or black races, and found that in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT, Blacks were treated significantly worse than whites. EXCEPT being shot.

Here’s the thing, though - ‘being shot’ in this context means ‘once the gun is drawn and aimed’. So, once the gun is out and pointed, the likelihood of the trigger being pulled is independent of race - WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE STUDY, and those are pretty narrow.

But given that the gun was a lot more likely to be drawn, and a lot more likely to be pointed at black subjects than white subjects, that isn’t even close to any exoneration.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:44:03pm

re: #178 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Yes, because Obama is responsible for Chicago’s violence

WTF.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:45:02pm

re: #174 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:46:45pm

So I watched Terminator Genisys last night on Amazon Prime, and it kind of sucked. Not totally sucked, like TURN THIS HORRIBLE MOVIE OFF RIGHT NOW sucked, but I won’t be recommending it.

What I liked about the first two Terminator movies was that they had some internal logic that made sense. This one was full of ridiculous magical thinking illogical plot points.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:47:07pm

re: #179 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s a study by some economist from Harvard that’s all over the news. Your crazy uncle on FB will be posting the Fox News version of it, if he hasn’t already.

The study looked at all aspects of policing in interactions between cops and persons of white or black races, and found that in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT, Blacks were treated significantly worse than whites. EXCEPT being shot.

Here’s the thing, though - ‘being shot’ in this context means ‘once the gun is drawn and aimed’. So, once the gun is out and pointed, the likelihood of the trigger being pulled is independent of race - WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE STUDY, and those are pretty narrow.

But given that the gun was a lot more likely to be drawn, and a lot more likely to be pointed at black subjects than white subjects, that isn’t even close to any exoneration.

It never took being shot and killed for Black life to be devalued at the hands of law enforcement. Sounds like this study points to that fact.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:47:28pm

re: #172 No Country For Old Haters

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Is that from A Boy and His Dog? Been so many years since I saw that!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:47:37pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

So I watched Terminator Genisys last night on Amazon Prime, and it kind of sucked. Not totally sucked, like TURN THIS HORRIBLE MOVIE OFF RIGHT NOW sucked, but I won’t be recommending it.

What I liked about the first two Terminator movies was that they had some internal logic that made sense. This one was full of ridiculous magical thinking illogical plot points.

I’ve only seen the first two. No desire to see any past them. I think the second one is one of the best sequels ever for an action series.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:47:55pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:48:03pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

WTF.

yeah The Orange Buffoon just cited how many people have been killed in chicago since Obama took office and implied it’s Obama’s false.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:48:56pm

re: #183 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

It never took being shot and killed for Black life to be devalued at the hands of law enforcement. Sounds like this study points to that fact.

Yeah, but guess which part is the ONLY THING you’ll see from your Crazy Wingnut Uncle On Facebook?

That’s right. The shooting-after-gun-is-drawn-and-aimed bit.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:49:30pm

re: #184 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Is that from A Boy and His Dog? Been so many years since I saw that!

Yes. I always think of Topeka when reading about the antics of social Conservatives.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:49:55pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I’ve only seen the first two. No desire to see any past them. I think the second one is one of the best sequels ever for an action series.

It’s like Alien and Aliens. There are no other movies in that series. None. NOT ONE!!!!

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:50:52pm

re: #190 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s like Alien and Aliens. There are no other movies in that series. None. NOT ONE!!!!

Or like how the Star Wars movies will eventually be numbered 4-9.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:50:57pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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He just got the crowd to exclaim that Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:51:20pm

re: #42 majii

At this point, Jeb is grasping at straws to explain why he isn’t the 2016 GOP presidential nominee. I think the dude has gone off the deep end. He’s blaming Pope Francis for losing the SC primary by saying that the Pope holding an event at the border while Trump was railing about building a wall at the U.S./Mexico border “hurt” his chances of winning the primary. He then went on to say that the Pope’s event benefited Trump because Trump is a “master” at manipulating the media to serve his agenda. Sheesh. What a crybaby!!!

Jeb! The smarter brother.

Oy.

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Jenner7  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:52:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:52:57pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:52:59pm

re: #187 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

yeah The Orange Buffoon just cited how many people have been killed in chicago since Obama took office and implied it’s Obama’s false.

What is it about wingnuts and Chicago? It’s like 19th in crime rate. 40+% of the guns used in crimes there come from neighboring Indiana. But it’s an article of faith that it’s a nonstop bloodbath there, worse than any other place in the whole wide world.

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blueraven  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:53:16pm

We don’t win anymore!

And WTF is he talking about “He saw people asking for a moment of silence for the Dallas Assassin”?

I assume he is talking about someone he thinks is associated with BLM protesters?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:53:40pm

re: #197 blueraven

We don’t win anymore!

And WTF is he talking about “He saw people asking for a moment of silence for the Dallas Assassin”?

I assume he is talking about someone he thinks is associated with BLM protesters?

Whole cloth.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:54:10pm

re: #195 Charles Johnson

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I think that only person to call BS on Trump is going to be Hillary during the debates. Everyone else is to much of a wimp.

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CBGB  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:54:29pm

OT, but just because I know theres a good gamer contingent here. Everyone owes it to themselves to play this game. When people say videogames can be legitimate works of art, this is the game they should point to. Gorgeous, accessible, and completely chilling.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:54:47pm

I’m going to watch “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” bbl

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VegasGolfer  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:54:51pm

Did Bad Company give license for the orangutan to use their music?

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Joe Bacon  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:55:51pm

re: #196 Blind Frog Belly White

What is it about wingnuts and Chicago? It’s like 19th in crime rate. 40+% of the guns used in crimes there come from neighboring Indiana. But it’s an article of faith that it’s a nonstop bloodbath there, worse than any other place in the whole wide world.

In Republican minds, Chicago is still run by the Daley machine.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:55:54pm

please hillary not kaine he’s a nice guy but fsszzbt

clinton/warren
clinton/brown

even
clinton/stavridis

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blueraven  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:55:56pm

re: #198 Blind Frog Belly White

Whole cloth.

Like the thousands of Muslims celebrating 9-11.

He is trash but he is dangerous.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:57:48pm

re: #203 Joe Bacon

In Republican minds, Chicago is still run by the Daley machine.

And Al Capone.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:57:51pm

re: #204 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Or Clinton/Castro.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 12, 2016 • 5:58:51pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

And Al Capone.

you mean they’re not the same person?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:00:08pm

re: #208 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

you mean they’re not the same person?

In Wingnuttia, it’s always 1955 in America, except Chicago, where’s it’s always 1930.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:00:14pm

Facebook

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:01:01pm

re: #203 Joe Bacon

In Republican minds, Chicago is still run by the Daley machine.

Not Daley. RWNJs have decided to believe that Chicago is run by a (mythical) Obama machine.

Thus it is an article of faith that Chicago must be Hell on Earth, having served as the portal by which Satan Incarnate entered US politics.

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:01:46pm

re: #140 lawhawk

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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:03:04pm

re: #197 blueraven

We don’t win anymore!

And WTF is he talking about “He saw people asking for a moment of silence for the Dallas Assassin”?

I assume he is talking about someone he thinks is associated with BLM protesters?

At this point in the campaigning it seems Trump has discovered it doesn’t matter if anything he says is factual. No one really holds him responsible. So he lets fly with the stuff that he knows will sell to his followers who want to believe it is all true. He just cooks it up and throws it out there.

Between our inept media and the fools that follow Trump the truth doesn’t stand a chance.

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blueraven  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:03:11pm
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jaunte  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:03:13pm

Trump trying to move to the center is incredibly awkward. He told the crowd we need to support the police for “all the deals they do; all the things…”

Don’t know if that’s an exact quote, but pretty close.

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William Lewis  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:03:50pm

re: #140 lawhawk

NRO can’t help themselves:

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I couldn’t help myself either. Since I don’t do twitter, I went there and baited the racists in their den. Wonder how long till the comment is deleted?

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:04:37pm

I’m still dazed by this Pence statement above:

Pence on Trump: “He’s been successful on Wall street but never turned his back on main street.”

If by “never turning his back on main street” he means he and his family never missed a chance to cheat the rubes out of their money in one of his real estate frauds/Trump U frauds/Trump Institute frauds, then I agree with him.

If he doesn’t mean that then he’s as big a sack of shit as Trump is.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:04:47pm

re: #215 jaunte

Trump trying to move to the center is incredibly awkward. He told the drowd we need to support the police for “all the deals they do; all the things…”

Don’t know if that’s an exact quote, but pretty close.

That sounds more like a mobster justifying a protection racket than a politician trying to be useful.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:05:11pm

re: #212 gocart mozart

“It is a decontextualized image, wide open to interpretation.”

“Immediately after this picture was taken, the young woman tore the head off one of the policemen, used the helmeted head to beat the second one to death, and then disemboweled the third with her bare hands before returning to the first to drink his still-pumping blood.”

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Brian J.  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:05:30pm

re: #217 Skip Intro

I’m still dazed by this Pence statement above:

Pence on Trump: “He’s been successful on Wall street but never turned his back on main street.”

If by “never turning his back on main street” he means he and his family never missed a chance to cheat the rubes out of their money in one of his real estate frauds/Trump U frauds/Trump Institute frauds, then I agree with him.

If he doesn’t mean that then he’s as big a sack of shit as Trump is.

He’d have had to be facing Main Street at some point to turn his back on them, right?

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:06:10pm

re: #218 EPR-radar

I don’t think he has the vocabulary for this. When he was looking for ‘praise’ words his mind immediately filled in “deal.”

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:06:44pm
OK. FINE. WHATEVER.
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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:06:52pm

re: #219 Blind Frog Belly White

“Immediately after this picture was taken, the young woman tore the head off one of the policemen, used the helmeted head to beat the second one to death, and then disemboweled the third with her bare hands before returning to the first to drink his still-pumping blood.”

“while laughing maniacally and quoting from the Communist Manifesto.”

Gee, I don’t think it would be difficult to get a writing job at the NRO, provided I was willing to discard all humanity.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:07:45pm

So Ted Cruz flew out to Dallas today on AF1. I wonder if pleasantries were exchanged?

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Testy Toad T  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:07:56pm

re: #217 Skip Intro

I’m still dazed by this Pence statement above:

Pence on Trump: “He’s been successful on Wall street but never turned his back on main street.”

If by “never turning his back on main street” he means he and his family never missed a chance to cheat the rubes out of their money in one of his real estate frauds/Trump U frauds/Trump Institute frauds, then I agree with him.

If he doesn’t mean that then he’s as big a sack of shit as Trump is.

Not to play MBF too hard, but “Main Street” is code for “We think you’re too fucking dumb to understand actual policy proposals”. And that’s on both sides of the aisle.

I’d be thrilled to excise the word from the political lexicon.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:07:58pm

Oh lord…

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:08:02pm

re: #129 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

new reuters ipsos poll has hillary ahead by 13% up from 10%

m.dailykos.com

which is really great unless we’re all just fooling ourselves and no officer i didnt say anything bad about president trump i swear

We have to be very careful about polls showing a blowout. Too many people figure it’s in the bag and they don’t bother voting.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:08:58pm

re: #221 jaunte

I don’t think he has the vocabulary for this. When he was looking for ‘praise’ words his mind immediately filled in “deal.”

Makes sense. For Trump’s entire life, “deals” were how he personally made money, usually by swindling others.

That makes “deals” the Platonic Ideal of The Good, for Trump.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:09:14pm

re: #140 lawhawk

NRO can’t help themselves:

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Apparently the photographer cropped out the battalion of heavily armed Black Panthers standing just behind her.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:10:02pm

re: #227 MsJ

We have to be very careful about polls showing a blowout. Too many people figure it’s in the bag and they don’t bother voting.

This seems to go more for primary-like elections where voters of the leader find the trailer to be generally acceptable. I can’t think of any real Michigan-2016 equivalents in the general election database.

That’s not to say we should stop GOTV efforts or anything, but I am not going to faint from capital-C Concern about the issue.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:10:36pm
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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:11:45pm

re: #231 teleskiguy

That’s not very evangelical of him. We know everything that happened in those 6000 years. It’s all in the bible.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:11:57pm

re: #155 Jenner7

I can’t wait for DB to collapse, and calls in Trump’s note….

(But they’ll probably be bailed-in….)

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:12:16pm

re: #230 Testy Toad T

This seems to go more for primary-like elections where voters of the leader find the trailer to be generally acceptable. I can’t think of any real Michigan-2016 equivalents in the general election database.

That’s not to say we should stop GOTV efforts or anything, but I am not going to faint from capital-C Concern about the issue.

Toss the GOP an anvil. If the POTUS race starts looking too easy, add the stretch goal of getting back control of both the Senate and the House.

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William Lewis  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:13:08pm

re: #229 Skip Intro

Apparently the photographer cropped out the battalion of heavily armed Black Panthers standing just behind her.

Oh, it was all staged don’t you know? At least according to the Good Germans in the National Racists Online comment section.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:13:13pm
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Testy Toad T  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:13:20pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

Toss the GOP an anvil. If the POTUS race starts looking too easy, add the stretch goal of getting back control of both the Senate and the House.

Oh, fuck and yes. I’d upding that twice if I could.

But you know what I hate, I hate watching Democrats run scared. Nobody likes throwing their lot in with fear. I’d rather emphasize how bad we’re gonna blow the doors off of everything and really move this country forward.

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Great White Snark  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:14:38pm

re: #22 KGxvi

The presidency is not sacred ground. It is an administrative office. Yes, it comes with very grand expectations and obligations, but it is not sacred. Hell, it is not even “ground.” It’s a job, a very important one, but a job nonetheless.

“Very important” is a mayor. Then we have the President Of The United States. And by the way, no it is not an administrative office. it is an elected Executive Office.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:14:55pm

re: #224 Dave In Austin

So Ted Cruz flew out to Dallas today on AF1. I wonder if pleasantries were exchanged?

His “seat” was Bo’s kennel in the baggage compartment

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:16:16pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:16:47pm

re: #224 Dave In Austin

Because the President is a much better person than me, it probably wasn’t “Sit all the way in the back. And if you open your yap just ONCE I’m having you thrown out, no parachute.”

Because that is pretty close to what I would say in that situation.

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Great White Snark  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:16:47pm

re: #226 teleskiguy

She asked if I play Pokemon Go. I just asked “before I show you my Pokemon could I get a Picachu?

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:18:07pm

re: #237 Testy Toad T

Oh, fuck and yes. I’d upding that twice if I could.

But you know what I hate, I hate watching Democrats run scared. Nobody likes throwing their lot in with fear. I’d rather emphasize how bad we’re gonna blow the doors off of everything and really move this country forward.

Running scared is for fools and losers. The Democratic message needs to be that the GOP is shit, its policies are shit and its candidates are shit (expressed more politely, of course).

Gerrymanders can be broken by an event like Trump as the nominee and/or GOP riots at their convention. I’m sure Hillary Clinton and her campaign team are taking a hard look at precisely this issue.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:18:30pm
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Kafitrar  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:18:56pm

One of my friends posted this on Facebook.

“You know why Bernie Sanders nearly became the Democratic nominee for president while campaigning for socialism? Because he is and always has been a steely-eyed realist with no appetite for a quixotic, narcissistic politics of symbolism over results. So maybe you might want to hold off substituting your strategic judgement for his, given the number of nigh-impossible things he has achieved.”

I’m thinking, really? A realist? Of course, the guy is a Canadian college lecturer who founded a socialist think tank.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:19:10pm

re: #241 Jebediah, RBG

Because the President is a much better person than me, it probably wasn’t “Sit all the way in the back. And if you open your yap just ONCE I’m having you thrown out, no parachute.”

Because that is pretty close to what I would say in that situation.

When Newt had to sit in the back of Clinton’s plane he shut down the government, something Cruz is very comfortable with.

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stpaulbear  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:19:16pm

re: #240 FormerDirtDart

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I listened to Obama’s whole speech this evening. It was amazing. It’s going to be generations before we have a president who can speak so powerfully again.

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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:19:27pm

re: #227 MsJ

We have to be very careful about polls showing a blowout. Too many people figure it’s in the bag and they don’t bother voting.

I’m hoping this time the polls might not influence the vote as it might in other elections. I have a feeling this is going to be a demonstration vote as there will be people just going to vote to shut up the Trump.

If there will be people not bothering to vote see the many conservatives already swearing that is their plan. See people like Jeb!

Between those two very opposite approaches there might be big numbers in the differences. I sure hope so any way. I have faith…especially with women and minorities. They could slap the Republicans so hard it hurts for 20 years.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:19:50pm

re: #245 Kafitrar

One of my friends posted this on Facebook.

I’m thinking, really? A realist? Of course, the guy is a Canadian college lecturer who founded a socialist think tank.

We ought to orbit that dude to replace the Hubble.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:20:46pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:21:30pm
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Brian J.  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:21:44pm

re: #245 Kafitrar

One of my friends posted this on Facebook.

I’m thinking, really? A realist? Of course, the guy is a Canadian college lecturer who founded a socialist think tank.

You should have asked, such as…? And he nearly became nominee in the same way that Adlai Stevenson nearly became President.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:21:51pm

re: #242 Great White Snark

She asked if I play Pokemon Go. I just asked “before I show you my Pokemon could I get a Picachu?

Dylan, right?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:22:12pm

re: #242 Great White Snark

She asked if I play Pokemon Go. I just asked “before I show you my Pokemon could I get a Picachu?

Booooooooo……………

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:22:16pm

Trump fans not liking this milder form:

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:22:35pm
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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:23:00pm

re: #225 Testy Toad T

Not to play MBF too hard, but “Main Street” is code for “We think you’re too fucking dumb to understand actual policy proposals”. And that’s on both sides of the aisle.

I’d be thrilled to excise the word from the political lexicon.

Also:
Optics
Neoliberal
Oligarchs
commonsense

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:23:03pm
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stpaulbear  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:23:44pm

re: #241 Jebediah, RBG

Because the President is a much better person than me, it probably wasn’t “Sit all the way in the back. And if you open your yap just ONCE I’m having you thrown out, no parachute.”

Because that is pretty close to what I would say in that situation.

“Hey Ted, stay away from the cockpit, OK? I don’t want the engines shut down half way to Texas. Have a good flight, buddy.”

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:24:54pm

re: #227 MsJ

We have to be very careful about polls showing a blowout. Too many people figure it’s in the bag and they don’t bother voting.

I will say that if Hillary’s general ground game is like her primary game, they were relentless about GOTV efforts.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:25:24pm

re: #257 BeachDem

I think oligarchs/oligarchy on that list is at least meaningful, unlike ‘optics’ etc.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:25:43pm

re: #253 Barefoot Grin

Dylan, right?

Tangled up in ‘chu…




sorry.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:25:56pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:26:09pm

re: #260 BeachDem

I will say that if Hillary’s general ground game is like her primary game, they were relentless about GOTV efforts.

Hillary is not going to fuck this up by neglecting the ground game in the general election.

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lawhawk  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:27:44pm

re: #257 BeachDem

Considering that most Americans are fiscal illiterates, it is little wonder that Trump and the GOP have as much support as they do.

They think you can run government like a business. Or that you can manage the budget the same way you do personal finances.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:28:28pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:29:44pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

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lacks verisimilitude

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:29:53pm

re: #263 Skip Intro

Korean People’s Army Air Force Fighter Weapons School (Top Gun)

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retired cynic  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:29:56pm

re: #68 sagehen

Dr Dre is a billionaire. Jay-Z isn’t yet, but he will be. So will Tyler Perry, and maybe Diddy.

Sheila Crump Johnson may be a billionaire. We went to college at the same time at the U of I. I admired her so much; she was so smart and had obviously taken every advantage of her education in a wealthy suburb of Chicago. She was cheerleader, and I could not get over how she handled all the demands on her time with ease. Some people are just born superior!

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:30:20pm

re: #230 Testy Toad T

This seems to go more for primary-like elections where voters of the leader find the trailer to be generally acceptable. I can’t think of any real Michigan-2016 equivalents in the general election database.

That’s not to say we should stop GOTV efforts or anything, but I am not going to faint from capital-C Concern about the issue.

If CA and OR and WA thinks it’s in the bag for Clinton, and people think their votes don’t matter…disaster! It’s not just a primary issue. Not at all.

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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:30:38pm

Later Lizards. Interesting day overall. And a fine build up to the zaniness that will most likely be coming next week.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:31:15pm

re: #265 lawhawk

“Tax cuts” = Yay. More money in my pocket!

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Jay C  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:31:40pm

re: #135 EPR-radar

I’d very much like to see the House GOP gerrymandering backfire on the Republicans this election because of Trump. If that happens, GOP losses in the House could be enough to satisfy even me (and I’m very greedy about things like this).

Nice thought, and I also fervently wish that it come to pass, but unfortunately, the GOP lock on the House is, IMO, seriously unlikely to get undone this election cycle. I’m not sure how that gerrymandering (as carefully rigged as it is) is going to “backfire” on the Republicans: an FDR ‘32 or LBJ ‘64 - style blowout might elect a Dem President, and possibly (probably) flip control of the Senate, I’m not sure how likely it is that the Democrats will be able to win enough Congressional seats to significantly dent, still less overturn, that 60-seat majority. Especially as local Republicans are going to be running scared this election: scared that having a buffoonish incompetent like Donald Trump at the top of the GOP ticket will tar them with the same malodorous reputation. I’m guessing that Big Money donors are going to be concentrating on Senate, Congressional and statehouse-level races, and leaving Trump to pay his own way: it is, after all, where their spending has been most effective.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:32:55pm

re: #264 EPR-radar

Hillary is not going to fuck this up by neglecting the ground game in the general election.

trump has zero ground game. All he has is zealots.

And those party before country assholes.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:35:09pm

re: #270 MsJ

If CA and OR and WA thinks it’s in the bag for Clinton, and people think their votes don’t matter…disaster! It’s not just a primary issue. Not at all.

Remember in WA and OR we’re all mail-in. Many of us weeks before.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:35:24pm

re: #273 Jay C

I agree that it won’t be easy, but the essential nature of a gerrymander is to spread your voters out to create a large number of districts that are held with “just enough” margin.

So the House GOP majority might be more vulnerable that it otherwise would be in 2016 precisely because of the GOP gerrymandering that was done in 2010.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:35:28pm

I have a window open just to @fahrenthold tweets. WaPo reporter trying to get to the bottom of ANY charitable contributions made (& of course bragged about) by trump

Read the timeline today for the backstory.

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gwangung  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:35:49pm

re: #264 EPR-radar

Hillary is not going to fuck this up by neglecting the ground game in the general election.

She had a decent ground game in 2008. Add some Obana vets….guess what’s gonna happen….

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Jenner7  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:36:02pm

Ryan pretending to be reasonable on CNN….

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Great White Snark  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:36:14pm
Don’t you humans knock first?!?

Ooops.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:36:38pm

re: #242 Great White Snark

She asked if I play Pokemon Go. I just asked “before I show you my Pokemon could I get a Picachu?

Nooooooo! Picachu is mine!!!!

When Burger King was giving away poki toys I are there three weeks in a row to get a Picachu. All my work people who I could muster to join me ate with me for those three weeks. I finally got him. He’s so damn cute. I put him in a red whatever you call it case and I have it to this day.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:37:50pm

Seriously, America, what the fuck is this?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:38:01pm

re: #278 gwangung

She had a decent ground game in 2008. Add some Obana vets….guess what’s gonna happen….

And Obama himself. And Bill. They can cover all 57 states easy….

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Maddies Mom  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:39:56pm

re: #179 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s a study by some economist from Harvard that’s all over the news. Your crazy uncle on FB will be posting the Fox News version of it, if he hasn’t already.

The study looked at all aspects of policing in interactions between cops and persons of white or black races, and found that in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT, Blacks were treated significantly worse than whites. EXCEPT being shot.

Here’s the thing, though - ‘being shot’ in this context means ‘once the gun is drawn and aimed’. So, once the gun is out and pointed, the likelihood of the trigger being pulled is independent of race - WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE STUDY, and those are pretty narrow.

But given that the gun was a lot more likely to be drawn, and a lot more likely to be pointed at black subjects than white subjects, that isn’t even close to any exoneration.

From listening to Thom Hartman, I believe that study only included the top ten largest cities, but that’s not where most of the shootings happen. Anyway, that’s what he said, and predicted it would be misused precisely as is happening.

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Anymouse  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:39:57pm

Sanders’s endorsement speech is getting major airplay here on Canadian television.

Just walking over to the hotel restaurant and back, several people asked me if I thought Hillary Clinton would win the election. (We are the lone Americans here, with the Sanders sticker on our car.)

I pointed out that all the polling seems to indicate that Mrs. Clinton will win by a large margin, but in my opinion Mr. Trump needs to be repudiated by the largest margin of votes we can muster, in as many states as possible.

My local paper (not accessible unless you have a subscription) has today Hillary Clinton polling evenly with Donald Trump in NE-3. (That would be the rural part of Nebraska.)

Since President Obama took an electoral vote here in 2012, I am hoping that Mrs. Clinton will take NE-1 and NE-2 (giving her four electoral votes). If she can take NE-3, it would be a complete sweep of Nebraska (and five supposedly in-the-bag electoral votes for the GOP they would have to make up).

I can dream of a Democratic sweep of Nebraska.

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Mattand  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:40:12pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

Given some of the quasi-racist squawking from some of the Bern-outs I’ve met, Trump may actually win them over.

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:40:40pm
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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:42:01pm

re: #274 Stanley Sea

trump has zero ground game. All he has is zealots.

And those party before country assholes.

But remember, he’s going to be training field directors for California—-

any day now.

Heh.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:43:28pm

re: #281 MsJ

I still have my Gengar that has the light up eyes. lol

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Anymouse  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:43:44pm

re: #275 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Remember in WA and OR we’re all mail-in. Many of us weeks before.

Nebraska is all mail in as well (in the rural areas, and optionally in the cities). It is almost as if in close states where the GOP is in the majority they don’t want people to vote or something, whereas in states where the GOP margin is high they want to make it easy. /not snark

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:44:01pm

re: #281 MsJ

Nooooooo! Picachu is mine!!!!

When Burger King was giving away poki toys I are there three weeks in a row to get a Picachu. All my work people who I could muster to join me ate with me for those three weeks. I finally got him. He’s so damn cute. I put him in a red whatever you call it case and I have it to this day.

BTW, this was twice a day for three straight weeks. I was on a mission.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:44:45pm

re: #282 De Kolta Chair

Seriously, America, what the fuck is this?

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He really has a Weeble in a suit quality to him, doesn’t he?

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:45:18pm

re: #288 BeachDem

But remember, he’s going to be training field directors for California—-

any day now.

Heh.

They can just use this crowd from Indiana:

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:46:25pm

re: #292 MsJ

He’s more Poliwag’ish.

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William Lewis  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:46:52pm

re: #281 MsJ

Nooooooo! Picachu is mine!!!!

When Burger King was giving away poki toys I are there three weeks in a row to get a Picachu. All my work people who I could muster to join me ate with me for those three weeks. I finally got him. He’s so damn cute. I put him in a red whatever you call it case and I have it to this day.

You can have Picachu but keep your hands off my Turtwig :D

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:47:35pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:48:02pm

re: #288 BeachDem

But remember, he’s going to be training field directors for California—-

any day now.

Heh.

Did you see the Guardian article that got a hold of some trump GOP in Colorado?

They had a 12 year old kid calling delegates to convince them to stick with trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:49:07pm

re: #293 jaunte

They can just use this crowd from Indiana:

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I’m sure he’s nice.//

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:50:42pm

re: #52 EPR-radar

I can hear Trump using the phrase “You people” a whole lot and ticking off the NAACP crowd so it’s good he declined their invite.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:51:10pm

I missed this

He’s so obvious. How can anyone sane not see through this. Oh yeah it’s the must win strategy. Fuck America, win the presidency. GOLD

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:52:11pm

re: #290 Anymouse

Nebraska is all mail in as well (in the rural areas, and optionally in the cities). It is almost as if in close states where the GOP is in the majority they don’t want people to vote or something, whereas in states where the GOP margin is high they want to make it easy. /not snark

south by dog carolina—the exception that proves the rule?

The GOP totally controls this state—two GOP senators; 6 of 7 House Reps; all state level offices; most local offices. And they try to make it as hard as they can to vote—because those who will have difficulty are all Democrats.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:52:32pm

re: #300 Stanley Sea

I missed this

“It will be four more years of disgusting Obama….civil unrest,” Trump says if Clinton wins.

He’s so obvious. How can anyone sane not see through this. Oh yeah it’s the must win strategy. Fuck America, win the presidency. GOLD

It will be eight years more, and that’s cool.

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lawhawk  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:52:51pm

re: #296 gocart mozart

They couldn’t get IRS commissioner Lerner. They’re now trying to impeach Koskinen.

And it all stems from the nontroversy over how the IRS tried to determine whether entities were entitled to nonprofit status. The IRS used an incorrect shortcut to stop a range of entities, from liberal to conservative, from getting nonprofit status. But the GOP made it appear as though only TP/GOP were affected.

Without Congress properly funding the IRS to administer the law as Congress enacted it, the IRS has to make due and try to catch up with entities seeking to skirt the law and get nonprofit status that is undeserving.

But the GOP doesn’t care about any of this - only trying to nail the Obama Administration with a scandal.

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:53:32pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:54:18pm
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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:55:24pm

re: #297 Stanley Sea

Did you see the Guardian article that got a hold of some trump GOP in Colorado?

They had a 12 year old kid calling delegates to convince them to stick with trump.

We had some 12 year old canvassers, but they weren’t the main part of our operation. Oh—I forgot, Trump doesn’t have an operation. He just has the best words, the best words I tellz ya.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:56:01pm

re: #302 Decatur Deb

It will be eight years more, and that’s cool.

I bet the extent of his research, beginning this week is everything written by/about Atwater.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:56:40pm

re: #8 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Anybody got the Photoshop skillz to change the “9” to a “1”?

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Is there that owre his French ragout,
Or olio that wad staw a sow,
Or fricassee wad mak her spew
Wi perfect scunner,
Looks down wi sneering, scornfu view
On sic a dinner?

Poor devil! see him owre his trash,
As feckless as a wither’d rash,
His spindle shank a guid whip-lash,
His nieve a nit;
Thro bloody flood or field to dash,
O how unfit!

— Robert Burns, who sounds a lot like a secret Irishman, which in the long run don’t mean diddlysquat, say la vee), but is nice to thing about.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:57:19pm

re: #305 gocart mozart

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Fucking racial politics of fear.

I’m so very disgusted.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:57:55pm

re: #296 gocart mozart

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I’ll have to look up how impeachment works. I guess there are enough Republicans in the House to impeach but not in the Senate, right?

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:58:34pm

re: #302 Decatur Deb

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 6:59:23pm

Starts with David McCullough

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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:01:29pm

re: #311 BeachDem

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She passed my info on, don’t have a POC in N FL yet. We got on the site that lists area activity. Winter is coming.

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CBGB  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:02:26pm

re: #300 Stanley Sea

I want to reach through the screen and scream “ITS THE TECHNOLOGY, YOU BASTARD, NOT THE PRESIDENT.”

They’ve just been forced to see whats always been there.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:04:24pm

re: #312 Stanley Sea

Starts with David McCullough

I liked his book about the Panama Canal. (Taps fingers on table.) Yep, that’s about that.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:04:47pm

\re: #312 Stanley Sea

Starts with David McCullough

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I do like McCullough. One of my favorite historians.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:07:06pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

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I do like McCullough. One of my favorite historians.

They are just 2 minute blurbs from various historians. Not sure about a live event.

edit: thoughtful, historically based minutes about how trump is shit.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:08:06pm

re: #287 gocart mozart

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They should have used Larry The Cat for that - would have made sense as a source for the apparent UK government strategy about that whole mess.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:11:28pm

re: #317 Stanley Sea

They are just 2 minute blurbs from various historians. Not sure about a live event.

edit: thoughtful, historically based minutes about how trump is shit.

Good to see that. Not surprised. Historians of all people would know Trump is bad news.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:11:38pm

re: #308 De Kolta Chair

Is there that owre his French ragout,
Or olio that wad staw a sow,
Or fricassee wad mak her spew
Wi perfect scunner,
Looks down wi sneering, scornfu view
On sic a dinner?

Poor devil! see him owre his trash,
As feckless as a wither’d rash,
His spindle shank a guid whip-lash,
His nieve a nit;
Thro bloody flood or field to dash,
O how unfit!

— Robert Burns, who sounds a lot like a secret Irishman, which in the long run don’t mean diddlysquat, say la vee, but is nice to thing about.

What I’m trying to say is its Finnegans Wake’s world and we just live in its Ludovician worldview, bizoothces.

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Jenner7  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:13:23pm

Welp. Hannity will have a guest (who is black) on who said she can’t help but think the shooter is a martyr.

Because, of course.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:14:51pm

re: #321 Jenner7

Welp. Hannity will have a guest (who is black) on who said she can’t help but think the shooter is a martyr.

Because, of course.

Of course. And Hannity being the “fair minded” journalist will present her as representative of liberal and African-American thought.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:16:18pm
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Kafitrar  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:17:18pm

re: #252 Brian J.

You should have asked, such as…? And he nearly became nominee in the same way that Adlai Stevenson nearly became President.

I think I’m going to let it be. A couple of the hard-core Sanders fans I know are admitting they’ll probably vote for Clinton, albeit grudgingly. But a vote delivered with a held nose counts the same as one delivered with enthusiasm.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:17:27pm

re: #323 Stanley Sea

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I’m watching the game but I missed it.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:17:35pm

re: #322 HappyWarrior

Of course. And Hannity being the “fair minded” journalist will present her as representative of liberal and African-American thought.

That would be our former Miss Alabama. Before you scoff at the title, know that one of her predecessors, in the guise of our ageing governor’s mistress, had been running the place for some time.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:18:24pm

re: #321 Jenner7

Welp. Hannity will have a guest (who is black) on who said she can’t help but think the shooter is a martyr.

Because, of course.

It’s kind of funny that normal people just don’t need to be stoked the way right wingers do.

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Jenner7  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:19:12pm

Former Miss Alabama made a video saying that she was conflicted and sad the way she was feeling because she knew her feelings were wrong. She is visibly crying. So, Sean has her on to berate her and act like a total douche bag. He keeps interrupting her.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:21:26pm

re: #328 Jenner7

Former Miss Alabama made a video saying that she was conflicted and sad the way she was feeling because she knew her feelings were wrong. She is visibly crying. So, Sean has her on to berate her and act like a total douche bag. He keeps interrupting her.

He’s an asshole just like his mentor Rush. If there were any real justice in the world, both would be begging on the streets while the poor people that they berate would be living good lives.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:21:27pm
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kirkspencer  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:21:59pm

re: #328 Jenner7

Former Miss Alabama made a video saying that she was conflicted and sad the way she was feeling because she knew her feelings were wrong. She is visibly crying. So, Sean has her on to berate her and act like a total douche bag. He keeps interrupting her.

So not just whitesplaining but mansplaining as well. I am unsurprised.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:22:13pm

re: #330 jaunte

Didn’t we go to war because he used gas?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:22:40pm

re: #330 jaunte

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Really fuck the GOP for having this guy as a nominee.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:22:41pm

Recipe For Chicken Trump

- boast about how you don’t need recipes recipes are for losers
- pour out a quart of snake oil
- promise that when you get the chicken it’s gonna be such a great chicken you’re gonna get tired of chicken that’s how great it will be i can tellya
- pour out some more snake oil
- pour gasoline on the fire
- deny it was you that poured gasoline on the fire it was them the losers it’s their fault
- add in several spoonfuls of self pity
- assert that actually producing the chicken before the dish is cooked is the wrong approach it’s better if you keep em guessing otherwise the suckers i mean chickens will get wise to the fact you’re cooking them and run away

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:22:51pm

re: #332 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Didn’t we go to war because he used gas?

Just a little gas.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:22:55pm

re: #332 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Didn’t we go to war because he used gas?

Yes.

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bratwurst  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:23:33pm

re: #323 Stanley Sea

Gives me a good excuse to post (yet again) perhaps my favorite piece of video ever..when a member of the horrific Ray Coniff Singers pulled a similar stunt in protest of Vietnam at a Nixon White House event. This was an evening honoring the founders of Reader’s Digest (!) with Bob Hope and Billy Graham in attendance:

Nixon Protest Featuring the Ray Coniff Singers

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:23:40pm

re: #332 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Didn’t we go to war because he used gas?

Yeah. We hanged Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American prisoners, too.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:24:38pm

re: #338 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah. We hanged Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American prisoners, too.

Which is why the excuses for waterboarding always infuriated me.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:25:30pm

re: #335 Skip Intro

Just a little gas.

“And everyone goes crazy!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:25:45pm

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Yes.

Because we were all so horrified in WWI at the idea of using poison gas, even against opposing armies, that we made it one of those Things You Just Don’t Do. And he used it on a civilian population.

But hey, it worked, and that’s LEADERSHIP!!!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:26:22pm

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Yes.

Where did he get the gas?

minnpost.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:26:30pm

re: #339 HappyWarrior

Which is why the excuses for waterboarding always infuriated me.

American Exceptionalism - it’s only torture when it happens to you.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:26:38pm

re: #342 Decatur Deb

Where did he get the gas?

minnpost.com

Don’t get me started on that sigh.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:26:53pm

re: #332 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Didn’t we go to war because he used gas?

… that we gave him.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:27:12pm

re: #323 Stanley Sea

Anyone who says All Lives Matter to me is a racist.

blah blah blah excuse excuse. Nah.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:29:00pm

From the tweet I posted above: Trump: “we’re a slice of Swiss cheese at the border … in a Trump presidency, it will be all Gorgonzola>

If he really said that, Gorgonzola is the biggest word he’s ever used and I doubt that 5% of the mob knew what he was talking about. I’d love to hear the audio of him saying it.

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austin_blue  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:32:52pm

re: #347 Skip Intro

From the tweet I posted above: Trump: “we’re a slice of Swiss cheese at the border … in a Trump presidency, it will be all Gorgonzola>

If he really said that, Gorgonzola is the biggest word he’s ever used and I doubt that 5% of the mob knew what he was talking about. I’d love to hear the audio of him saying it.

So he thinks walls stink? Odd. Maybe he should have gone with a nice pecorino romano.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:34:36pm

Parmesan would be tougher to break through.
Make America Grate.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:36:19pm

re: #332 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Didn’t we go to war because he used gas?

YUP.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:38:02pm

re: #330 jaunte

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Damn, just damn. Even fucking Hitler wouldn’t use gas warfare (as opposed to using it to massacre various unaryan types).

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:38:54pm

re: #351 Shiplord Kirel

He’s just so comprehensively awful it’s hard to cover it all.

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austin_blue  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:39:11pm

re: #346 Stanley Sea

Anyone who says All Lives Matter to me is a racist.

blah blah blah excuse excuse. Nah.

It’s all context, isn’t it? Here’s a reasoned response to that.

Of course all lives matter. True fact.

But why are you trying to change the focus of the Black Lives Matter movement? Are white people not brandishing weapons in public getting shot to death? If not, you are spouting nonsense, and you should follow your Leader and quit being PC. Say what you REALLY mean: Black Lives Matter Less.

Context.

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:39:40pm

A “both sides” analogy as only Charles Pierce can present it

Before moving along, let us congratulate CNN for its stellar work over the weekend in proving that, had there been a CNN in 1963, Theophilus Eugene Connor, the director of public safety for the city of Birmingham in Alabama, would have been a regular on their air so as to make sure the network had both sides of the unpleasantness in that city covered.

esquire.com

The story header is No, Really, Who Invited Giuliani?

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:42:36pm

re: #339 HappyWarrior

Which is why the excuses for waterboarding always infuriated me.

And why seeing Bush as a bumbling but decent and good-hearted human being does me too.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:43:56pm

‘Night all

JERRY LEE LEWIS - THE ALCOHOL OF FAME.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:44:28pm

Saddam’s major use of gas against Kurdish villages was in 1988. We went to war to topple him in 2003.

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:44:35pm

re: #355 Nyet

And why seeing Bush as a bumbling but decent and good-hearted human being does me too.

Right.

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:45:26pm

re: #357 Decatur Deb

Saddam’s major use of gas, against Kurdish villages was in 1988. We went to war to topple him in 2003.

en.wikipedia.org

Gassing had nothing to do with the criminal Iraq war.

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:45:46pm

So—something to ponder while we wait for the Cleveland shitstorm.

What if Trump announces his veep pick before the convention, and then the NeverTrumpers prevail in keeping him from the nomination? Does that:

1. Escalate the butthurt for Trumpers even more?
2. Cause that poor, pathetic (cough-Newt-cough-Pence) loser to stage a separate revolt?
3. Raise the possibility for that loser to be the later selected (loser) candidate’s veep?
4. Pie

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:46:07pm

re: #355 Nyet

And why seeing Bush as a bumbling but decent and good-hearted human being does me too.

He was a bumbling heartless human being.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:46:35pm

Btw, this “kid” Chris Scruggs kicks old skool rockabilly country arse. Highly recommended. Click and rock out; it’s as simple as that. ;-)

Chris Scruggs - Alibi

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:46:49pm

re: #359 Nyet

Gassing had nothing to do with the criminal Iraq war.

Not directly but it was used to establish a precedent for the 1% doctrine. If he gassed his own people he wouldn’t stop at gassing us.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:47:00pm

re: #359 Nyet

Gassing had nothing to do with the criminal Iraq war.

Except to help raise the panic about bullshit WMDs.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:47:09pm

re: #304 gocart mozart

You know Duterte is not going to stop with addicts and pushers. He’s going to pronounce death sentences their ‘supporters’ soon as well.

And by ‘supporters’ he means those ‘not belonging to his political party’.

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:47:26pm

re: #363 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Not directly but it was used to establish a precedent for the 1% doctrine. If he gassed his own people he wouldn’t stop at gassing us.

[citation needed]

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:48:54pm

re: #365 Romantic Heretic

Families of “criminals” will be next.

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austin_blue  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:50:52pm

Stupidest mainstream media story on the Internet today:

cnn.com

Them Martians have been movin’ a whole Shitpot of dirt since 1840.

Jesus wept.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:51:26pm

re: #362 De Kolta Chair

Btw, this “kid” Chris Scruggs kicks old skool rockabilly country arse. Highly recommended.

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Is that Earl’s boy?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:51:37pm

re: #332 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Didn’t we go to war because he used gas?

We went to war over the Bush Administration’s flagrant lies about an ongoing WMD program. The fact that Saddam used gas in the past was the data point that made those lies easier to sell to the public and to Congress.

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austin_blue  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:52:00pm

re: #360 BeachDem

So—something to ponder while we wait for the Cleveland shitstorm.

What if Trump announces his veep pick before the convention, and then the NeverTrumpers prevail in keeping him from the nomination? Does that:

1. Escalate the butthurt for Trumpers even more?
2. Cause that poor, pathetic (cough-Newt-cough-Pence) loser to stage a separate revolt?
3. Raise the possibility for that loser to be the later selected (loser) candidate’s veep?
4. Pie

I’ll go Pie.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:52:29pm

re: #370 goddamnedfrank

We went to war over the Bush Administration’s flagrant lies about an ongoing WMD program. The fact that Saddam used gas in the past was the data point that made those lies easier to sell to the public and to Congress.

I think that was the point. They used “He gassed his own people” to boost up the humanitarian rationale and to label all opponents of the war as supporters of that act.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:52:33pm

re: #357 Decatur Deb

Saddam’s major use of gas, against Kurdish villages was in 1988. We went to war to topple him in 2003.

en.wikipedia.org

But that was definitely a reason to go to war in Iraq. As I read here on LGF ad infinitum.

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:53:01pm

The only justification to invade after a mass gassing is doing it immediately after the mass gassing to prevent a further one.

If you know that decades have passed and no one has been gassed and there is no such immediate danger, the past gassings become irrelevant as far as an invasion is concerned. Only present and current danger to humans counts as a legitimate reason under the international law. Merely bringing a criminal to justice doesn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:53:35pm

re: #373 Stanley Sea

But that was definitely a reason to go to war in Iraq. As I read here on LGF ad infinitum.

Yeah they always pointed that out and my response was always “What was the Reagan/Bush I’s response to Saddam when he did that?”

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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:54:02pm

re: #373 Stanley Sea

But that was definitely a reason to go to war in Iraq. As I read here on LGF ad infinitum.

That was a different LGF.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:55:41pm

re: #374 Nyet

The only justification to invade after a mass gassing is doing it immediately after the mass gassing to prevent a further one.

If you know that decades have passed and no one has been gassed and there is no such immediate danger, the past gassings become irrelevant as far as an invasion is concerned. Only present and current danger to humans counts as a legitimate reason under the international law. Merely bringing a criminal to justice doesn’t.

They used it & everyone except for the traitors went along.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:56:05pm

re: #376 Decatur Deb

That was a different LGF.

Oh yeah.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:57:18pm

re: #369 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Is that Earl’s boy?

Earl’s paternal grandson. Quite a talented family.

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:57:22pm

re: #377 Stanley Sea

Well, I remember discussing it with Gus 5 years ago or so where he also tried to justify it that way. He was a bit more conservative back then ;) He’s come around since then, I think.

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stpaulbear  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:58:32pm

re: #374 Nyet

The only justification to invade after a mass gassing is doing it immediately after the mass gassing to prevent a further one.

If you know that decades have passed and no one has been gassed and there is no such immediate danger, the past gassings become irrelevant as far as an invasion is concerned. Only present and current danger to humans counts as a legitimate reason under the international law. Merely bringing a criminal to justice doesn’t.

Except reasons. The lead-up to the war was insane.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2016 • 7:58:55pm

So, did Pence get crowned Miss Congeniality tonight?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:00:25pm

re: #381 stpaulbear

Except reasons. The lead-up to the war was insane.

It really was.

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:00:45pm

See, this is what I mean. She’s all about gimmicks and show. I don’t feel a bit of sincerity in what she does.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:01:34pm

re: #364 Decatur Deb

Except to help raise the panic about bullshit WMDs.

That was the most incredible thing about the runup to the war to me—listening to them promoting chemical weapons into the category of “Weapons of Mass Destruction” and nobody calling them on it. I was hoarse from shouting at the TV!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:02:14pm

re: #384 Nyet

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See, this is what I mean. She’s all about gimmicks and show. I don’t feel a bit of sincerity in what she does.

No kidding. She’s a joke.

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Belafon  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:02:19pm

re: #140 lawhawk

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:02:50pm

re: #363 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Not directly but it was used to establish a precedent for the 1% doctrine. If he gassed his own people he wouldn’t stop at gassing us.

That was the doctrine but it was always ridiculous, because his own people didn’t have thermonuclear weapons. Saddam was a dictatorial cock-knocker, but not a suicidal idiot. He only kept up the ambiguity regarding his weapons program in order to intimidate the Iranians and his own Shia and Kurdish populations. His post capture interrogation confirmed this, he thought if he came clean to the UN inspectors early on his regional enemies would’ve been emboldened to the point where he’d have been toppled that way.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:03:07pm

re: #385 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That was the most incredible thing about the runup to the war to me—listening to them promoting chemical weapons into the category of “Weapons of Mass Destruction” and nobody calling them on it. I was hoarse from shouting at the TV!

Now a bunch of fireworks and propane cylinders are defined as WMD. If you own the dictionary, you rule the argument.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:03:16pm

re: #387 Belafon

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Does NRO ever miss an opportunity not to be assholes? It’s like they constantly try to out asshole each other over there. Figures that Buckley started that rag.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:03:26pm

re: #318 Feline Fearless Leader

You must have missed the earlier post I made between Larry and Palmerston:

littlegreenfootballs.com

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:03:52pm

re: #384 Nyet

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See, this is what I mean. She’s all about gimmicks and show. I don’t feel a bit of sincerity in what she does.

In other woids, Lenora Fulani Redux?

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:04:05pm

re: #374 Nyet

Well, one of the main reasons for the Iraq war was to undo international law.

Luckily it seems to have failed.

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:04:38pm

I mean, I can hate someone’s ideology but at least I know they’re being sincere in espousing it. Jill just looks like a paid agent-provocateur.

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Archangelus  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:04:41pm

re: #351 Shiplord Kirel

Damn, just damn. Even fucking Hitler wouldn’t use gas warfare (as opposed to using it to massacre various unaryan types).

Actually Nazi Germany refrained from using gas warfare purely due to logistical constraints involved in getting the materials to their forces.

They did use gas warfare on several occasions when said constraints weren’t an issue, such as against local Jews and Polish forces in the Warsaw uprising, and against Russian forces in Kuban in 1943.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:07:56pm

re: #384 Nyet

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:08:45pm

re: #394 Nyet

I mean, I can hate someone’s ideology but at least I know they’re being sincere in espousing it. Jill just looks like a paid agent-provocateur.

Yeah I know what you mean.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:09:35pm

re: #385 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That was the most incredible thing about the runup to the war to me—listening to them promoting chemical weapons into the category of “Weapons of Mass Destruction” and nobody calling them on it. I was hoarse from shouting at the TV!

I was uncomfortable with Bush and Powell’s case for the invasion (I do know a little about such things) but I figured Bush had to know he would be impeached if our guys went in and failed to turn up any WMD. Hell, maybe he and the administration knew something I didn’t.
Looks like they did, namely that they could actually get away with it.

I STILL hear RWNJs claim that the poison gas, nukes, and Cthulhu knows what else were spirited away to Syria before and during the invasion. They see Assad’s use of gas as confirmation of this view. These people are either morons or they think everyone else is, in which case they are yet another example of Dunning-Kruger syndrome at work on what passes for the conservative mind.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:10:09pm

re: #384 Nyet

See, this is what I mean. She’s all about gimmicks and show. I don’t feel a bit of sincerity in what she does.

Would she let her staff play Pokémon Go, though?

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:10:43pm

Everybody’s auld acquaintance, Messr. Allen Toussaint:

Allen Toussaint - Lady Madonna

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:11:25pm

re: #360 BeachDem

So—something to ponder while we wait for the Cleveland shitstorm.

What if Trump announces his veep pick before the convention, and then the NeverTrumpers prevail in keeping him from the nomination? Does that:

1. Escalate the butthurt for Trumpers even more?
2. Cause that poor, pathetic (cough-Newt-cough-Pence) loser to stage a separate revolt?
3. Raise the possibility for that loser to be the later selected (loser) candidate’s veep?
4. Pie

news reports say trump veep announce set for friday

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:12:03pm

re: #401 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

news reports say trump veep announce set for friday

Soon enough.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:12:08pm

I finally watched all the relevant video of Michael Strickland. Dude wanted nothing but to shoot someone, but when the gun came out he didn’t have it in him to actually pull the trigger because in the end he’s a fucking coward. The evidence against him is pretty damning. He won’t even be able to own guns soon.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:12:54pm

re: #403 teleskiguy

I finally watched all the relevant video of Michael Strickland. Dude wanted nothing but to shoot someone, but when the gun came out he didn’t have it in him to actually pull the trigger because in the end he’s a fucking coward. The evidence against him is pretty damning. He won’t even be able to own guns soon.

It’s a good thing he’s a coward but damn it people like that shouldn’t be able to own guns.

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austin_blue  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:13:22pm

re: #398 Shiplord Kirel

I was uncomfortable with Bush and Powell’s case for the invasion (I do know a little about such things) but I figured Bush had to know he would be impeached if our guys went in and failed to turn up any WMD. Hell, maybe he and the administration knew something I didn’t.
Looks like they did, namely that they could actually get away with it.

I STILL hear RWNJs claim that the poison gas, nukes, and Cthulhu knows what else were spirited away to Syria before and during the invasion. They see Assad’s use of gas as confirmation of this view. These people are either morons, or they think everyone else is, in which case they are yet another example of Dunning-Kruger syndreome at work on what passes for the conservative mind.

Nope, they’re just morons. Sarin isn’t that tough to make. Getting it concentrated and purified is. See:

en.wikipedia.org

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Lidane  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:13:40pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:14:20pm

re: #403 teleskiguy

The evidence against him is pretty damning. He won’t even be able to own guns soon.

Lets hope that felony charge sticks. Has he been bailed out yet?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:14:54pm

re: #406 Lidane

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Ryan’s such a cowardly little weasel. He really is.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:15:54pm

re: #401 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

news reports say trump veep announce set for friday

News reports said Candy Barr would appear in Pittsburgh without pasties, but it didn’t happen.

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:17:28pm

“But I’m too busy to list them.”

He also used to say how imperative it was to defeat Trump. The priorities have suddenly changed.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:18:02pm

re: #405 austin_blue

Nope, they’re just morons. Sarin isn’t that tough to make. Getting it concentrated and purified is. See:

en.wikipedia.org

One could conceivably get a large stock of gas across the border, if they had no other use for secure transport during an invasion, but erasing every trace of its recent presence and of the factories where it was made would require a major disruption of the space-time continuum.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:18:39pm

re: #410 Nyet

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“But I’m too busy to list them.”

He also used to say how imperative it was to defeat Trump. The priorities have suddenly changed.

What a douchecanoe.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:18:46pm

re: #315 De Kolta Chair

I liked his book about the Panama Canal. (Taps fingers on table.) Yep, that’s about that.

A MAN A PLAN A CANAL: PANAMA!

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Joe Bacon  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:19:38pm

re: #300 Stanley Sea

I missed this

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He’s so obvious. How can anyone sane not see through this. Oh yeah it’s the must win strategy. Fuck America, win the presidency. GOLD

Easy he’s preaching to the choir in Klanland, er, Indiana…

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Varek Raith  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:19:43pm

re: #33 jaunte

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Nuclear burn.

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Lidane  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:20:44pm
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Jay C  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:21:00pm

re: #368 austin_blue

Stupidest mainstream media story on the Internet today:

cnn.com

Them Martians have been movin’ a whole Shitpot of dirt since 1840.
Jesus wept.

***

So, if you were to convert the dune’s dots and dashes to the written word, just what does it say? Planetary scientist Veronica Bray translated it for gizmodo.com:
NEE NED ZB 6TNN DEIBEDH SIEFI EBEEE SSIEI ESEE SEEE !!
Well, if the Martians are trying to speak to us, they really need to work on their sentence structure.

Of course it doesn’t make much sense: it’s in Martian, dummies!!!

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:21:03pm

re: #384 Nyet

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See, this is what I mean. She’s all about gimmicks and show. I don’t feel a bit of sincerity in what she does.

She’s a gigantic asshole, and she’s loving the attention she’s getting right now—she’s like Norma Desmond—thinks she’s ready for her closeup.

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:21:43pm

re: #416 Lidane

OK, I’m starting to get irritated.

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Archangelus  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:21:53pm

re: #405 austin_blue

Nope, they’re just morons. Sarin isn’t that tough to make. Getting it concentrated and purified is. See:

en.wikipedia.org

Actually, they’re almost certainly basing on media reports from Israel at that time about how Israeli Intelligence had tracked multiple shipments from Iraq to Syria originating from areas where materials were in fact stored at one point.

Doesn’t mean they’re not morons of course, just for other reasons…

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:22:32pm

GTFOWTMFBS

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:23:05pm

re: #394 Nyet

I mean, I can hate someone’s ideology but at least I know they’re being sincere in espousing it. Jill just looks like a paid agent-provocateur.

Jill is the definition of a political dilettante, she’s fundamentally unprepared to be President by every possible measure; experience, knowledge, insight and judgement. She literally has no idea what she’s doing but thinks she should stand in the way of another woman who literally possesses every qualification she lacks. Stein is basically the personification of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, and more than willing to risk handing the country to a psychopathic racist madman rather than give up on this hopeless campaign. To call her quixotic is an insult to Don Quixote.

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plansbandc  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:24:11pm

Sigh. Pretty sure these folks will NEVER want to even try to get it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:24:13pm

re: #422 goddamnedfrank

Jill is the definition of a political dilettante, she’s fundamentally unprepared to be President by every possible measure; experience, knowledge, insight and judgement. She literally has no idea what she’s doing but thinks she should stand in the way of another woman who literally possesses every qualification she lacks. Stein is basically the personification of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, and more than willing to risk handing the country to a psychopathic racist madman rather than give up on this hopeless campaign. To call her quixotic is an insult to Don Quixote.

It’s quite telling that she’s never been elected. Of course to her and her idiotic supporters, that’s probably a virtue.

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Anymouse  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:24:22pm

re: #401 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

news reports say trump veep announce set for friday

I’ll be in Churchill on Hudson Bay. I’ll have to keep an ear to the radio to find out what bag of hammers he selects to lose with.

I can’t see any Republican that has any hope of a future career tying his star to Mr. Trump’s express train of doom.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:24:43pm

re: #423 plansbandc

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Sigh. Pretty sure these folks will NEVER want to even try to get it.

They don’t fucking wanna get it.

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austin_blue  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:24:47pm

re: #404 HappyWarrior

It’s a good thing he’s a coward but damn it people like that shouldn’t be able to own guns.

Tough to be the thought police. The jilted boyfriend without a record before he buys. The disgruntled former employee without a record before he buys. The conspiracy theorist who suddenly feels the need to Save ‘Murika without a record before he buys.

Might be easier to ensure that his clips/mags have eight shots or less, include mags/clips in sales records, limit any owner to two clips/mags per registered weapon, and prohibit mag/clip sales on-line and at gun shows. Any violation will get you an automatic nickel in Joliet. Federal buy-back of all newly illegal mags.

Guns don’t massacre large crowds of people, shitpots of bullets and the people that wield them do.

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:25:00pm

re: #406 Lidane

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Just what was the burning need to have a Paul Ryan town hall in the first place?

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:25:03pm

re: #421 teleskiguy

Got a live one, here.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:25:07pm

re: #425 Anymouse

I’ll be in Churchill on Hudson Bay. I’ll have to keep an ear to the radio to find out what bag of hammers he selects to lose with.

I can’t see any Republican that has any hope of a future career tying his star to Mr. Trump’s express train of doom.

That’s what Newt is a good bet.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:26:01pm

re: #427 austin_blue

Tough to be the thought police. The jilted boyfriend without a record before he buys. The disgruntled former employee without a record before he buys. The conspiracy theorist who suddenly feels the need to Save ‘Murika without a record before he buys.

Might be easier to ensure that his clips/mags have eight shots or less, include mags/clips in sales records, limit any owner to two clips/mags per registered weapon, and prohibit mag/clip sales on-line and at gun shows. Any violation will get you an automatic nickel in Joliet. Federal buy-back of all newly illegal mags.

Guns don’t massacre large crowds of people, shitpots of bullets and the people that wield them do.

True. In the end, I’m glad that he didn’t kill or hurt anyone.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:26:02pm

re: #417 Jay C

Of course it doesn’t make much sense: it’s in Martian, dummies!!!

The only Martian word I know is grok.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:26:26pm

re: #429 teleskiguy

Got a live one, here.

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Daniel Ellsburg whom he is idiotically compared to did not flee the country.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:27:56pm

re: #433 HappyWarrior

Daniel Ellsburg whom he is idiotically compared to did not flee the country.

He also went public with his findings with WaPo. Snowden went to Greenwald and Julian Assange in Hong Kong.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:28:39pm

re: #434 teleskiguy

He also went public with his findings with WaPo. Snowden went to Greenwald and Julian Assange in Hong Kong.

Exactly. I gave up having any sympathy Snowden’s way when he went to Hong Kong and then to Russia.

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Anymouse  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:29:41pm

re: #424 HappyWarrior

It’s quite telling that she’s never been elected. Of course to her and her idiotic supporters, that’s probably a virtue.

And she won’t be again, either, thus preserving her perfect record of losses.

Moreover, Dr. Stein hangs out with racist oligarchs in Moscow, as noted on her own campaign Webpage. If I had to pick a candidate for President, she would appear on the next line above Donald Trump (second to last).

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:30:51pm

re: #436 Anymouse

And she won’t be again, either, thus preserving her perfect record of losses.

Moreover, Dr. Stein hangs out with racist oligarchs in Moscow, as noted on her own campaign Webpage. If I had to pick a candidate for President, she would appear on the next line above Donald Trump (second to last).

Exactly.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:31:13pm

SPIRIT FINGERS!!!!

Youtube Video

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Brian J.  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:31:16pm

re: #435 HappyWarrior

Exactly. I gave up having any sympathy Snowden’s way when he went to Hong Kong and then to Russia.

He deserves the same treatment as the Rosenbergs and Aldrich Ames, a fair trial to determine the extent of their espionage and then appropriate punishment. Same for Assange.

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Varek Raith  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:31:36pm

re: #424 HappyWarrior

I think she was elected to a minor position on some town board with 500 or so votes.
#WINNING

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:31:56pm

re: #439 Brian J.

He deserves the same treatment as the Rosenbergs and Aldrich Ames, a fair trial to determine the extent of their espionage and then appropriate punishment. Same for Assange.

Assange is not an American citizen.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:32:19pm

re: #440 Not a Sparkly Vampire

I think she was elected to a minor position on some town board with 500 or so votes.
#WINNING

Still more elected experience than Trump but ha seriously?

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Great White Snark  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:33:18pm

re: #441 Nyet

Assange is not an American citizen.

Good reminder, but unless traded even foreign spies are supposed to get fair trial etc.

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:33:35pm

re: #438 The Vicious Babushka

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SPIRIT FINGERS!!!!

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So now he’s running for pep squad? Ah, it all makes sense. (Actually, it makes no sense at all.)

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:33:40pm

re: #439 Brian J.

He deserves the same treatment as the Rosenbergs and Aldrich Ames, a fair trial to determine the extent of their espionage and then appropriate punishment. Same for Assange.

Funny, I just tweeted this to the Snowden admirer that jumped in my mentions.

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Anymouse  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:33:42pm

re: #439 Brian J.

He deserves the same treatment as the Rosenbergs and Aldrich Ames, a fair trial to determine the extent of their espionage and then appropriate punishment. Same for Assange.

Assange is not an American citizen; espionage charges would not apply in the same way. Moreover, there are a number of countries that are antsy about extraditing people to the United States under any charge that carries the death penalty (which espionage does).

We would do a lot better in getting criminals extradited under our laws if we abolished the death penalty (good luck with that).

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Varek Raith  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:34:11pm

re: #442 HappyWarrior

Still more elected experience than Trump but ha seriously?

Town of Lexington Town Meeting Representative, 2005 and 2008

Lexington, Massachusetts has a town meeting-style government. Stein was elected to the Town Meeting Seat, Precinct 2 (Lexington, Massachusetts) in March 2005 local elections.[77] She finished first of 16 candidates running for seven seats, receiving 539 votes, for 20.6% of the total vote. [78] Stein was re-elected in 2008, finishing second of 13 vying for eight seats.[79]

en.wikipedia.org

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stpaulbear  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:34:21pm

re: #438 The Vicious Babushka

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SPIRIT FINGERS!!!!

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I can understand why Trump thinks the country doesn’t have any spirit. He has to look at all the confused and befuddled faces at his own rallies. I bet his staff is depressed as hell too.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:34:51pm

re: #447 Not a Sparkly Vampire

en.wikipedia.org

Gotcha, interesting. I’m honestly surprised she’s managed to be elected to anything.

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Anymouse  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:34:59pm

re: #440 Not a Sparkly Vampire

I think she was elected to a minor position on some town board with 500 or so votes.
#WINNING

Hey! That means she has about five times the experience I do (as my town board covers a town of about 120). So Dr. Stein is five times as qualified as me to be President. /s (If we don’t count my seventeen years military service.)

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:35:22pm

re: #443 Great White Snark

Good reminder, but unless traded even foreign spies are supposed to get fair trial etc.

As long as whatever he did was legal in Australia, he should neither be tried nor extradited to the US.

Now, the Swedish accusations are another matter.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:35:35pm

re: #416 Lidane

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A family crossed against the light in front of me earlier tonight. In bumfuck residential land. They all had grins. They are lucky I knew what was going on.

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Varek Raith  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:36:23pm

re: #450 Anymouse

Hey! That means she has about five times the experience I do (as my town board covers a town of about 120). So Dr. Stein is five times as qualified as me to be President. /s (If we don’t count my seventeen years military service.)

Nope, you win.

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Great White Snark  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:37:11pm

re: #451 Nyet

As long as whatever he did was legal in Australia, he should neither be tried nor extradited to the US.

Now, the Swedish accusations are another matter.

Why not if he broke US law? Big if admittedly.

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:37:51pm

re: #454 Great White Snark

Why not if he broke US law? big if admittedly.

So if you broke the Saudi Arabian law you should be extradited to Saudi Arabia?

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Anymouse  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:38:15pm

re: #453 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Nope, you win.

Time to organise my victory party. /s

Do you think I can get Hillary Clinton as the keynote speaker? /s

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:38:53pm

re: #425 Anymouse

I’ll be in Churchill on Hudson Bay. I’ll have to keep an ear to the radio to find out what bag of hammers he selects to lose with.

I can’t see any Republican that has any hope of a future career tying his star to Mr. Trump’s express train of doom.

You should just enjoy Hudson Bay. It will be a shitshow & take at least 3 days to decipher.

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Varek Raith  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:39:50pm

TRUMP/GINGRICH!
Can you imagine?

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:41:11pm

re: #458 Not a Sparkly Vampire

TRUMP/GINGRICH!
Can you imagine?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:41:25pm

So as to not immediately go OT in the shiny new thread:

It was fantastic.

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Varek Raith  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:41:58pm

re: #460 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So as to not immediately go OT in the shiny new thread:

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It was fantastic.

Where’s ours???

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majii  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:42:08pm

re: #448 stpaulbear

“I bet his staff is depressed as hell too.”

His staff members aren’t the only ones who are depressed. Politico had an article up today which stated some of the views GOP lobbyists and analysts have about Trump. Many of them said that they wouldn’t be going to the convention this year because of Trump. One guy said the GOP has no leadership. Imagine that. What took the guy so long to figure that out? After reading the post, I got the feeling that if Trump is expecting a lot of “spirit” at the GOP Convention, he’ll get it, but it won’t be from the top dogs in the party. The top dogs seem to be thinking up excuses as to why they’re either not going to the convention, or they’re only going for one day to make what they’re calling “business contacts.” They also expressed concern about Trump harming down-ticket GOP candidates. They’ll never admit it, but they brought this upon themselves.

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:42:21pm

re: #460 klys (maker of Silmarils)

yuuuuuuuuum

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Anymouse  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:43:08pm

re: #451 Nyet

As long as whatever he did was legal in Australia, he should neither be tried nor extradited to the US.

Now, the Swedish accusations are another matter.

Because he wasn’t in the USA.

That would open a huge can of international worms:

Country X doesn’t like what someone said about it on Facebook (say Thailand and its laws about showing disrespect to the Crown, prosecutable under its lèse-majesté law).

Using the Thai example, Thailand issues an arrest warrant for that crime, which Thailand takes very seriously and thinks we should too.

We have two choices:

a) Stuff it, Thailand
b) Extradite our example Facebook poster to be tried for something not a crime here, but is to our ally Thailand.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:43:37pm

re: #461 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Where’s ours???

There’s leftovers of the pasta in the fridge but that’s my lunch tomorrow.

Really tasty though.

Nom.

Roasted cherry tomatoes with capers and onion, tossed with pasta and chicken sausage plus chopped kalamata olives and shredded basil, with a little bit of grated Parmesian. And then a tomato salad with white balsamic, olive oil, shredded basil, and a little bit of feta.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:43:41pm
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Great White Snark  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:44:04pm

re: #455 Nyet

So if you broke the Saudi Arabian law you should be extradited to Saudi Arabia?

Maybe. If I import anything Saudi made for business here I’m obligated to obey all relevant Saudi Arabian laws. or could be jailed here for it, not sure about extradition. If I had broken a Saudi law about classified information it might be a very different question than a Saudi religious law. I’m thinking that whoever violates US law by way of espionage would be subject to it not just US citizens. Extradition rules vary by relationship etc.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:44:14pm

re: #438 The Vicious Babushka

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SPIRIT FINGERS!!!!

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Dying

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Varek Raith  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:48:32pm

re: #468 Stanley Sea

Dying

You should see a doctor about that.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:48:57pm

re: #464 Anymouse

Because he wasn’t in the USA.

That would open a huge can of international worms:

Country X doesn’t like what someone said about it on Facebook (say Thailand and its laws about showing disrespect to the Crown, prosecutable under its lèse-majesté law).

Using the Thai example, Thailand issues an arrest warrant for that crime, which Thailand takes very seriously and thinks we should too.

We have two choices:

a) Stuff it, Thailand
b) Extradite our example Facebook poster to be tried for something not a crime here, but is to our ally Thailand.

Depends on the law because the law determines jurisdiction. Look at the case of Russian arms smuggler Viktor Bout, who was arrested in Thailand on a US warrant and extradited to the US on charges of conspiring to kill American citizens, American government employees and of providing material support to terrorist organizations . Bout also previously had assets in the US that were frozen, establishing a pattern of activity that placed him within US jurisdiction, and was later charged with money laundering and wire fraud.

Strictly speaking I don’t think Assange meets that test, but Thailand has definitely supported us in the reverse of your example.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:49:18pm

re: #423 plansbandc

Shorter:

“Shut up, black people.”

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:50:04pm

re: #467 Great White Snark

Maybe. If I import anything Saudi made for business here I’m obligated to obey all relevant Saudi Arabian laws. or could be jailed here for it, not sure about extradition. If I had broken a Saudi law about classified information it might be a very different question than a Saudi religious law. I’m thinking that whoever violates US law by way of espionage would be subject to it not just US citizens. Extradition rules vary by relationship etc.

Well, I sure hope that countries are sovereign enough not to give a damn about other countries’ whines of “our secrets have been exposed waaah”. Should have guarded them better.

I’m also realistic enough to know better. So it’s a conundrum. On one hand we have a douchebro and a possible Putin agent who should answer for what he might have done in Sweden (which may or may not turn out to be true). On the other hand he risks a real extradition to the US and that should not happen.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:56:04pm

re: #470 goddamnedfrank

Lets not forget the recent case where a comedian in Germany mocked the President of Turkey-and the Germans arrested the comedian.

en.wikipedia.org

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Anymouse  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:57:08pm

re: #470 goddamnedfrank

Arms smuggling is a crime in both the USA and Thailand.

Thailand also got the benefit of US resources to research the connexions involving that crime. (For them it was a double win: they got to put the arms smuggler on trial, and they didn’t have to pay either for that or his jailing.)

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 8:57:17pm

re: #473 Eric The Fruit Bat

Lets not forget the recent case where a comedian in Germany mocked the President of Turkey-and the Germans arrested the comedian.

Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand, if you actually read the article.

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Anymouse  Jul 12, 2016 • 9:00:48pm

re: #472 Nyet

I am not a fan of Edward Snowden, but he is stranded in Russia because we cancelled his passport. His final destination was Bolivia, not Russia. To get to Bolivia from where he started in Hong Kong, he had to travel through Russia.

You might also recall the international incident regarding Bolivia, where the Bolivian president’s plane was denied overflight over Western Europe, then held in Austria, and the Spanish ambassador attempted to circumvent international law regarding diplomats to search his plane for Snowden? Mr. Morales politely told Spain’s ambassador to fuck off.

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Nyet  Jul 12, 2016 • 9:03:49pm

re: #476 Anymouse

I am not a fan of Edward Snowden, but he is stranded in Russia because we cancelled his passport. His final destination was Ecuador, not Russia. To get to Bolivia from where he started in Hong Kong, he had to travel through Russia.

You might also recall the international incident regarding Bolivia, where the Bolivian president’s plane was denied overflight over Western Europe, then held in Austria, and the Spanish ambassador attempted to circumvent international law regarding diplomats to search his plane for Snowden? Mr. Morales politely told Spain’s ambassador to fuck off.

Not sure what Snowden has to do with my comment…

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Anymouse  Jul 12, 2016 • 9:43:59pm

re: #477 Nyet

Probably nothing. (:: Snowden came up in the conversation here, and I clicked. I guess you win. (::

I am trying to do about four things at once: get hold of the train station, write and read here, and write an article for my column in a small organisation’s journal all at once, while cleaning up the coffee I just spilled in my lap.

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Scout  Jul 12, 2016 • 10:38:51pm

re: #312 Stanley Sea

Starts with David McCullough

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Thank you very much for that link to Facebook. Those videos are truly outstanding.

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sagehen  Jul 12, 2016 • 10:43:35pm

re: #476 Anymouse

I am not a fan of Edward Snowden, but he is stranded in Russia because we cancelled his passport. His final destination was Bolivia, not Russia. To get to Bolivia from where he started in Hong Kong, he had to travel through Russia.

Pretty sure the most direct route from Hawaii to Bolivia… doesn’t go through Hong Kong and Moscow.

Especially when the object of the trip was to meet up with someone who lives in Brazil.

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Anymouse  Jul 12, 2016 • 10:57:06pm

re: #480 sagehen

Pretty sure the most direct route from Hawaii to Bolivia… doesn’t go through Hong Kong and Moscow.

Especially when the object of the trip was to meet up with someone who lives in Brazil.

My sister-in-law (a former Soviet citizen, now an American) flew from Houston to central Russia via Heathrow to visit family. When she arrived, there was a message for her that my brother-in-law had a heart attack.

She immediately purchased a ticket to fly home to Texas: the first flight available was through Singapore and Hawai’i.

Snowden’s trip was similar after he was in Hong Kong: when he decided to go to Bolivia the first available routing was through Moscow. He was stranded when the USA suspended his passport (rather than seek him through extradition proceedings). At the USA’s behest, the Bolivian president’s diplomatic plane was forced to land in Austria because no Western European government would allow it passage because the USA insisted Snowden was on the plane (he was not).

At the behest of the US government the Spanish ambassador attempted to search Mr. Morales’s plane, and was rightly told to go fuck off by Mr. Morales.

The plane was held for many hours as the USA continued to apply pressure to Western European governments to prevent passage of Mr. Morales’s plane (covered by diplomatic immunity - if it were Air Force One we’d be looking for which country to bomb).

While I do not approve of Mr. Snowden’s actions, the USA’s response was entirely outside the realm of our own and international laws and protocols. We still haven’t sought an arrest warrant after all this time. Why should Mr. Snowden trust the US government over this? He has already been shown that the government will use whatever leverage it can to force his return without regard for international norms.


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