Video: Keith Olbermann: The Real Secret Behind Trump’s Terrorism Plan

The secret is there is no secret
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Keith Olbermann makes an excellent point about Donald Trump’s claim to have a “secret plan” to defeat ISIS overnight; if he really has such a magic plan, why hasn’t he told our military instead of just boasting about it for the past year and a half while terrorist attacks happen?

(Nobody with more than two functioning brain cells believes he really has a secret plan, of course.)

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:15:55pm

Just blocked this numbskull:

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I never said it “wasn’t a bomb,” of course. I said Trump shouldn’t jump out and say it was before he knew it for a fact. But delicate shades of nuance like that are beyond Trump supporters.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:18:57pm
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retired cynic  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:19:06pm

Jim Write has another winner:

stonekettle.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:20:44pm
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CuriousLurker  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:21:05pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Just blocked this numbskull:

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I never said it “wasn’t a bomb,” of course. I said Trump shouldn’t jump out and say it was before he knew it for a fact. But delicate shades of nuance like that are beyond Trump supporters.

Simply saying “Let’s wait and see instead of jumping to conclusions,” will make you a terrorist apologist/sympathizer in the minds of some.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:22:10pm
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Sir John Barron  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:25:20pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Waaaah, but Hillary called us Deplorables!!!!11

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:26:37pm

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

Nutterfinger.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:26:41pm

Li’l Whiplash must be high on something. I can’t imagine him as a giggling stoner, he’s the paranoid type.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:31:40pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:33:27pm

WTF…
Title of the opinion piece the link leads to :
COMMENTARY: Feeding ‘the animals’ makes them dependent

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This opinion piece was contributed to The Ashland City Times by Lea Hudson, a Cheatham County Republican.

And, a response:
Reader astonished by columnist’s ‘feeding animals’ remarks

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Sir John Barron  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:35:03pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

WTF…
Title of the opinion piece the link leads to :
COMMENTARY: Feeding ‘the animals’ makes them dependent

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Reader astonished by columnist’s ‘feeding animals’ remarks

This kind of thing has been on Facebook for a while, spread by people I thought would know better.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:35:49pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

WTF…
Title of the opinion piece the link leads to :
COMMENTARY: Feeding ‘the animals’ makes them dependent

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“Don’t Feed The Animals” is a popular meme with the Fetus-Lovers

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:37:57pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

Simply saying “Let’s wait and see instead of jumping to conclusions,” will make you a terrorist apologist/sympathizer in the minds of some.

Hey, there are Valuable Prizes for being the first politician to buzz in and shout “Radical Islamic Terrorism!”

You might even win A Major Award!

Fra-Jee-Lay…Must be Italian!
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:38:04pm

Why would anyone assume that Hillary Clinton is the only “VIP” in the world?

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:38:40pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

That “feeding the animals” meme has taken various forms over the past couple of years. It’s shown up on my Facebook wall. The utter stupidity of it all escapes those who feel a need to put down those who get the now misnomered “Food Stamps” to feel better about themselves.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:38:59pm

Maybe the VERY VIP’s email was condoleezarice@aol.com

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Sir John Barron  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:40:12pm

re: #16 freetoken

That “feeding the animals” meme has taken various forms over the past couple of years. It’s shown up on my Facebook wall. The utter stupidity of it all escapes those who feel a need to put down those who get the now misnomered “Food Stamps” to feel better about themselves.

But yes let’s wring our hands over Hillary’s “basket of deplorables”.

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scottslemmons  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:40:54pm

re: #9 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Whiplash must be high on something. I can’t imagine him as a giggling stoner, he’s the paranoid type.

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The Virgin Ben owes his entire career to being 12 years old and being able to parrot wingnutese. As a result, he’s never matured beyond 12, and his next great accomplishment will be his very first.

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:41:32pm

The only plan Drumpfskind has is how to milk his marks next.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:42:26pm
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Sir John Barron  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:43:29pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not the right kind of Republican. Trump needs a Fox Republican.

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:44:31pm

Been raining lightly off and on since early morning. Not enough to be a significant amount, but hopefully enough to keep the loquat trees alive. The airflow from the south gives San Diego its once-in-a-year feeling of being tropical.

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Jenner7  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:45:20pm
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Wonder why?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:46:20pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Was Trump even a Republican himself until this year?

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makeitstop  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:46:29pm

re: #24 Jenner7

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Wonder why?

Putin nixed it.

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Jenner7  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:47:16pm

re: #15 The Vicious Babushka

From the article:

The posts do not appear to reference deleting emails, but rather to hiding email addresses. That could signal nothing of note.

Also, “twitter sleuth claims”?? lol Just laughable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:49:18pm
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nines09  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:54:13pm

Cookie, wondering if I want the ball….

Seventh inning stretch
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 1:56:19pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:00:07pm
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Weaselone  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:03:53pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

So this is intentional. No way he thought 80 people were going to keep their mouth’s shut. i wonder of he’s considering a formal endorsement and slow playing it to keep it in the media.i

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:04:34pm

re: #16 freetoken

That “feeding the animals” meme has taken various forms over the past couple of years. It’s shown up on my Facebook wall. The utter stupidity of it all escapes those who feel a need to put down those who get the now misnomered “Food Stamps” to feel better about themselves.

I recall the Lieutenant Governor of South Carolina doubling down on that line as well, referring not to zoo animals but to vermin.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:07:07pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:07:24pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:08:06pm

Projecting like a giant IMAX in outer space

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thedopefishlives  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:08:10pm

Afternoon/Evening Lizardim.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:08:51pm
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This drives me crazy - AP, the NYT, and others poured all this time and energy into investigating the Clinton Foundation, and what they found was , a charity that gets better marks than the American Red Cross, and no sign of influence peddling in an organization that provides HIV drugs to most of the HIV-infected women and children in the world. And somehow, this is a negative for Hillary.

OTOH, Trump’s Foundation was used to burnish his own cred as a philanthropist without him having to put money in for most of the last decade, and he’s been using it as an actual slush fund to pay fines and settlements incurred by his for-profit businesses, and to buy personal items like portraits, Tim Tebow’s helmet, and Florida’s Attorney General.

And still, people like Robert Reich are writing that the Clintons - all of them, including Chelsea - need to separate from the Clinton Foundation when HRC wins, because somehow the President’s family being associated with a charity that has literally saved millions of lives would look bad.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:09:35pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

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That’s either a very small shark, or a fucking GINORMOUS bird.

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makeitstop  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:13:59pm

re: #35 goddamnedfrank

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Zucker = the real-life male equivalent of Faye Dunaway’s character in Network.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:15:27pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

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Poor baby hammerhead.

Aw nature.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:18:15pm

re: #39 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s either a very small shark, or a fucking GINORMOUS bird.

Hawks are bigger than people give them credit for, but no, it is a very small shark. We get a lot of hawks and eagles up here; they like to snack on fish in the lakes.

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wrenchwench  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:18:15pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

Poor baby hammerhead.

Aw nature.

It gets to fly! For a short time.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:22:15pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

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RIP

This has to be one of the five TU-2S conversion trainers, the only 2-seat U-2s still flying.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:24:17pm

re: #44 Shiplord Kirel

RIP

This has to be one of the five TU-2S conversion trainers, the only 2-seat U-2s still flying.

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One of the highlights of my time in Moscow was visiting the Red Army museum and seeing the bits of U2 wreckage along with Gary Powers’ helmet and flight suit…

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thedopefishlives  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:24:49pm

re: #44 Shiplord Kirel

RIP

This has to be one of the five TU-2S conversion trainers, the only 2-seat U-2s still flying.

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Wonder if it was the same one Adam Savage rode up to 90,000 feet a couple of years back.

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BeachDem  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:27:12pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

WTF…
Title of the opinion piece the link leads to :
COMMENTARY: Feeding ‘the animals’ makes them dependent

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And, a response:
Reader astonished by columnist’s ‘feeding animals’ remarks

Reminscent of Andre Bauer’s charming statement (Former Lt. Gov of SC—currently a much-sought-after commentator on CNN etc.)

“My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals,” Bauer said during a town hall meeting, as the Greenville News reported over the weekend. “You know why? Because they breed. You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better.”
cbsnews.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:30:03pm

re: #47 BeachDem

“You know why? Because they breed. You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better.”

They shouldn’t breed, but don’t let them have birth control or abortion.

Yeah that makes sense.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:31:01pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

They shouldn’t breed, but don’t let them have birth control or abortion.

Yeah that makes sense.

Fucking is too good for the common people.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:35:34pm

Xenophobe campaign continues

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:35:42pm

What was wrong with Hillary Clinton’s eyes during Philly speech?

Apparently, this is proof of… something. An imminent stroke, a robotic body double, something.

(The associated article is here, but there’s nothing of substance there, so don’t give ‘em the clicks if you don’t have to.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:36:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:40:02pm

IT’S JUST A METAPHOR!!111!

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:40:30pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:43:01pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:44:22pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

Why the ever-loving fuck would someone not deserve due process? You want to talk about un-American, that’s literally about as un-American as it is possible to get.

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wrenchwench  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:45:39pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:46:31pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

CNN is now normalizing fascism, openly questioning the rule of law and the civil rights protections enshrined in the US Constitution.

What ignorance. Nobody “deserves” due process. It is a right afforded everyone. The purpose is not to coddle people, but to maintain the integrity of our system.

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scottslemmons  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:46:41pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

Why the ever-loving fuck would someone not deserve due process? You want to talk about un-American, that’s literally about as un-American as it is possible to get.

Like I keep saying, the press has decided they want Trump in the White House.

It’s way past time people started asking what we’re going to do about widespread corruption in the media, and about what we’re going to do about the fact that the media has largely decided that fascism is something they really, really want.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:47:32pm

re: #59 scottslemmons

Like I keep saying, the press has decided they want Trump in the White House.

It’s way past time people started asking what we’re going to do about widespread corruption in the media, and about what we’re going to do about the fact that the media has largely decided that fascism is something they really, really want.

What’s funny is that while I agree with you, most of the conservatives I know are still lamenting the “ebil librul media” who is somehow in the tank for Hillary, despite mindlessly repeating every single one of Trump’s completely baseless accusations.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:47:57pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

Why the ever-loving fuck would someone not deserve due process? You want to talk about un-American, that’s literally about as un-American as it is possible to get.

Look at the chyron - “Does Bombing Suspect Deserve Due Process?”

SUSPECT. He’s a SUSPECT. Have we been shown absolute, incontrovertible evidence that he’s the guy? NO! Due Process is how we make sure he’s actually the guy, fer chrissakes!

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thedopefishlives  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:48:34pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

Look at the chyron - “Does Bombing Suspect Deserve Due Process?”

SUSPECT. He’s a SUSPECT. Have we been shown absolute, incontrovertible evidence that he’s the guy? NO! Due Process is how we make sure he’s actually the guy, fer chrissakes!

Apparently, it’s just good enough for him to be a suspect. Anyone we arrest we should just drag right off to the electric chair.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:51:47pm

A (not so) most curious question, probably debate-worthy:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:51:50pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

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Jesus Christ. What the hell is wrong with them? Yes, he does. Goddamn I’m sick of this shit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:53:02pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

Why the ever-loving fuck would someone not deserve due process? You want to talk about un-American, that’s literally about as un-American as it is possible to get.

Because a lot of our fellow Americans sadly think the best way to stop terrorism and crime is to stoop down to the level of terrorists and criminals. You know what? Due process isn’t even for him. It’s so the victims of the bombing can find out what happened to them too but I guess CNN in their quest to be Fox Jr forgot that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:53:07pm

re: #62 thedopefishlives

Apparently, it’s just good enough for him to be a suspect. Anyone we arrest we should just drag right off to the electric chair.

I remember similar stuff during the Bush years, where wingnuts were arguing that American citizens suspected of terrorism had forfeited their citizenship and its attendant rights when they sided with The Bad Guys. This was before any trial. Just being arrested on suspicion was enough to declare they no longer had the right to a trial, etc.

Now, mind you, they weren’t white folks taking up arms against an elected government, like the Bundys.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:53:15pm

re: #63 Eric The Fruit Bat

Fun Fact: Mitch McConnell’s wife is on the Wells Fargo Board of Directors.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:53:28pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Jesus Christ. What the hell is wrong with them? Yes, he does. Goddamn I’m sick of this shit.

And you just KNOW that the conservative right is going to take that screenshot and make political hay out of “liberal media” wanting to prevent due process.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:53:40pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

Look at the chyron - “Does Bombing Suspect Deserve Due Process?”

SUSPECT. He’s a SUSPECT. Have we been shown absolute, incontrovertible evidence that he’s the guy? NO! Due Process is how we make sure he’s actually the guy, fer chrissakes!

Guilt until proven innocent is the new black.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:55:06pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gov. Abbott afraid Texas will turn blue bit.ly #Texas
6:07 AM - 20 Sep 2016
Photo published for Gov. Abbott email leak reveals GOP fear of Texas turning blue
Gov. Abbott email leak reveals GOP fear of Texas turning blue
On Monday, one of the most prominent Republicans in Texas has a warning for supporters that Texas could go blue this election.

YES! The evil big Oil/Fundy/suburban bigot empire is its last days and its misbegotten devil spawn, Perry, Abbott, Gohmert, etc. know that their number is up. It may not be this year but it will be very soon.

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:57:34pm

re: #70 Shiplord Kirel

I sort of took that claim by Abbott as like a child who claims there is a boogeyman under the bed.

That is, it’s just another mindless scare-tactic.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:58:37pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good, I am glad that crooked bastard who prefers to be TCOT than actually govern his state is scared shitless by the possibility that Texas may go to the Democrats. He’s an asshole and I hope he’s without a job when he runs for re-election in a few years.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 20, 2016 • 2:59:35pm

yo, hillary: please explain to donald when you see him next week that terrorism by definition seeks to terrify civilians and by telling americans to be afraid be very afraid he is helping them and AMERICANS ARE BRAVE PEOPLE AND WILL NEVER BE PANICKED BY TERROR NOT BY ISIS AND NOT BY DONALD TRUMP

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:00:08pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

No doubt the Board of Directors will be named in many of the upcoming suits against Wells. Maybe a SarbOx suit will emerge as well.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:00:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:01:32pm

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:01:35pm

re: #71 freetoken

I sort of took that claim by Abbott as like a child who claims there is a boogeyman under the bed.

That is, it’s just another mindless scare-tactic.

That boogeyman is real though. Its very effectiveness as a scare tactic is a pretty good indication of growing defeatism among the GOP base. Their only hope is an outright dictatorship that will overturn the inevitable demographic shift.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:02:10pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

Look at the chyron - “Does Bombing Suspect Deserve Due Process?”

SUSPECT. He’s a SUSPECT. Have we been shown absolute, incontrovertible evidence that he’s the guy? NO! Due Process is how we make sure he’s actually the guy, fer chrissakes!

i really wonder just what the hell donald thought should be done with the guy

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:02:15pm

re: #44 Shiplord Kirel

RIP

This has to be one of the five TU-2S conversion trainers, the only 2-seat U-2s still flying.

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Tragic. The U-2 is a chrome-plated bitch to fly, from what I read. It’s a tribute to 60 years (!) worth of pilots that more of them haven’t crashed.

Think of the pilots who flew all the way across Antarctica to measure the ozone hole, knowing no one could rescue them if they had to bail out—they volunteered because the work was so important.

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:02:18pm

As many of us have pointed out, the US isn’t the only country with atavistic and stupid politicians getting elected.

Australia, birth home of Rupert Murdoch, recently put into office some real idiots. Hanson is making headlines for her bigotry, but another AU Senator is trying top even the most anti-science Texans. Realclimate posted today about one of the idiocies from the throwback:

Can a blanket violate the second law of thermodynamics?

One of the silliest arguments of climate deniers goes like this: the atmosphere with its greenhouse gases cannot warm the Earth’s surface, because it is colder than the surface. But heat always flows from warm to cold and never vice versa, as stated in the second law of thermodynamics.

The freshly baked Australian Senator Malcolm Roberts has recently phrased it thus in his maiden speech:

It is basic. The sun warms the earth’s surface. The surface, by contact, warms the moving, circulating atmosphere. That means the atmosphere cools the surface. How then can the atmosphere warm it? It cannot. That is why their computer models are wrong.

This is of course not only questions the increasing human-caused greenhouse effect, but in general our understanding of temperatures on all planets, which goes back to Joseph Fourier, who in 1824 was the first to understand the importance of the greenhouse effect.

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:03:52pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

I’ll believe it when I see it, when Cruz and Cornyn are replaced by progressives.

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:04:34pm

“Deserving” Due Process is an idiotic way to look at a Constitutionally guaranteed right. CNN writers need a civics course.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:05:05pm

re: #82 jaunte

“Deserving” Due Process is an idiotic way to look at a Constitutionally guaranteed right. CNN writers need a civics course.

They need to borrow Mr. Khan’s Constitution after he gets it back from Trump.

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:05:19pm

re: #82 jaunte

For CNN, the US Constitution is hiding in the same place as Perth.

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EPR-radar  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:06:10pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

Why the ever-loving fuck would someone not deserve due process? You want to talk about un-American, that’s literally about as un-American as it is possible to get.

A big part of movement conservatism is to undo the Enlightenment. Naturally this entails the complete destruction of the US as presently constituted, since the US government is definitely an Enlightenment project.

Trump’s wannabe dictator tendencies are an obvious threat to due process etc., but the institutional threat to a secular society posed by the theocrats in the Republican party is the larger threat, IMO.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:06:18pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Guilt until proven innocent is the new black.

Wasn’t Lindsey Graham saying yesterday the suspect should be designated an Enemy Combatant?

I thought we used that designation for folks we wanted to keep imprisoned indefinitely, for whom we had abundant evidence of guilt, but either the source of the evidence or the evidence itself was such that exposing it in open court would compromise national security. At least, that’s the explanation we’ve been given for the last 15 years.

So far, what I’ve heard doesn’t suggest any connection to any foreign terrorist organization, and none of the evidence used to find him seems related to national security. So, apart from sounding REALLY SCARY, what’s the point of making him an Enemy Combatant?

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:06:47pm

The Bill of Rights was written for the so-called “undeserving.” That’s the whole point.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:07:09pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

Wasn’t Lindsey Graham saying yesterday the suspect should be designated an Enemy Combatant?

I thought we used that designation for folks we wanted to keep imprisoned indefinitely, for whom we had abundant evidence of guilt, but either the source of the evidence or the evidence itself was such that exposing it in open court would compromise national security. At least, that’s the explanation we’ve been given for the last 15 years.

So far, what I’ve heard doesn’t suggest any connection to any foreign terrorist organization, and none of the evidence used to find him seems related to national security. So, apart from sounding REALLY SCARY, what’s the point of making him an Enemy Combatant?

Yes, yes he did and he’s one of their “moderates”, a type a lizard swears is one of the good ones in the GOP.

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EPR-radar  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:07:35pm

re: #78 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i really wonder just what the hell donald thought should be done with the guy

No need to wonder at all. Trump wants a lynching. Make a public festival out of it. The GOP base has been almost completely deprived of that form of entertainment for decades now, and proxy killings by cop just aren’t sufficiently satisfying.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:08:23pm

You know, for as much as we proclaim to value patriotism, we sure as shit do a crappy job valuing our core principles when times get tough. I feel awful for anyone who was hurt in the bombing two days ago. I really do but their attacker deserves his day in court.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:09:23pm

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Dragonomics  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:09:33pm

CNN has decided the pledge of allegiance should just end in a loud sustained raspberry.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:09:41pm

Sorry for being so catty but man I’m disgusted with the right and their total lack of regard for law and basic human decency. But hey let’s act like Colin Kaepernick is ruining America by refusing to stand for the national anthem while right wingers flaunt the idea of ignoring basic law for a criminal suspect.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:09:57pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

The more I think about it, the more I think there’s a large part of this country that has never accepted the changes that the courts mostly brought in the Civil Rights years or maybe even beyond that. Lots of racism in our society.

Hey, lots of people who claim not to be racists say that things like desegregration, etc should have come from the legislature or Constitutional Amendment, rather than the courts.

Many of these same people happily accept court rulings that strike down gun control laws, so apparently their enthusiasm for waiting for legislative fixes for rights denied only applies when it’s not their ox being gored.

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EPR-radar  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:10:04pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Yes, yes he did and he’s one of their “moderates”, a type a lizard swears is one of the good ones in the GOP.

Just one more piece of evidence to the effect that there is no such thing as a moderate GOPer in office. These jackasses pretend to not be wingnuts themselves, while doing precisely nothing to oppose the wingnut fever dreams of their fellow travelers in the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:10:46pm

re: #94 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, lots of people who claim not to be racists say that things like desegregration, etc should have come from the legislature or Constitutional Amendment, rather than the courts.

Many of these same people happily accept court rulings that strike down gun control laws, so apparently their enthusiasm for waiting for legislative fixes for rights denied only applies when it’s not their ox being gored.

Exactly.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:11:02pm

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:11:13pm

re: #95 EPR-radar

Just one more piece of evidence to the effect that there is no such thing as a moderate GOPer in office. These jackasses pretend to not be wingnuts themselves, while doing precisely nothing to oppose the wingnut fever dreams of their fellow travelers in the GOP.

The only good GOPer is one out of office and away from any sort of power at this point.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:12:29pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:13:52pm

Kapernick has received death threats apparently. Way to go felllow Americans. Giving a guy death threats because HE doesn’t conform to your idea of patritism. He never insulted the military nor suggested that all cops were racists. Really I’m getting disillusioned with this country in a lot of ways honestly even if HRC wins.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:13:54pm

re: #85 EPR-radar

A big part of movement conservatism is to undo the Enlightenment. Naturally this entails the complete destruction of the US as presently constituted, since the US government is definitely an Enlightenment project.

Trump’s wannabe dictator tendencies are an obvious threat to due process etc., but the institutional threat to a secular society posed by the theocrats in the Republican party is the larger threat, IMO.

When you choose belief over knowledge, and deny the importance of evidence in determining what is true and what is not, due process becomes a hurdle in delivering “Justice” to those you JUST KNOW deserve it. Remember, Trump suggests ‘unleashing’ police, because “They KNOW” who’s illegal and who isn’t; and similarly, the Muslim Community “knows” who is and isn’t radicalized.

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BeachDem  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:14:49pm

CNN Chief Jeff Zucker Defends Hiring Ex-Trump Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski

CNN host Jake Tapper, who moderated Tuesday’s employee town hall, also emphasized that many of the network’s stable of conservative pundits were Trump critics

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Other than Ana Navarro, who might these anti-Trump conservatives on CNN be?
Kayleigh McEnany? Jeffrey Lord?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:15:19pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

You know, for as much as we proclaim to value patriotism, we sure as shit do a crappy job valuing our core principles when times get tough. I feel awful for anyone who was hurt in the bombing two days ago. I really do but their attacker deserves his day in court.

And without that day in court, how do we know he’s the attacker, anyway?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:16:34pm

re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White

And without that day in court, how do we know he’s the attacker, anyway?

Exactly. Due process is for victims of crimes as well but the stupid mob mentality we have in a lot of this country ignores that because they’re hungry for blood.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:18:35pm

No righties, Picasso’s “Guernica” is not about how bitchin’ napalm is.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:18:43pm

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Yegods.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:19:37pm

re: #102 BeachDem

CNN Chief Jeff Zucker Defends Hiring Ex-Trump Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski

CNN host Jake Tapper, who moderated Tuesday’s employee town hall, also emphasized that many of the network’s stable of conservative pundits were Trump critics

huffingtonpost.com;

Other than Ana Navarro, who might these anti-Trump conservatives on CNN be?
Kayleigh McEnany? Jeffrey Lord?

CNN: “He’ll eat us last.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:19:43pm

re: #99 Timothy Watson

You know, if I was religious person, I would pray that Trump loses. But I would also pray, that if he won, CNN’s staff would be the first ones placed in a concentration camp.

That’s likely. Trump pretty much treats with contempt anyone he’s successfully used, once their usefulness has passed.

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Dr. Lexus  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:20:46pm

Jesus Fucking Christ, wtf is wrong with these assholes?

Under plan, free IDs would be for voting only

Gov. Scott Walker’s administration wants to stamp “voting purposes only” on the free IDs the state makes available, making it harder for people to use them to open bank accounts or prove their identity when they pick up their children from day care.

The Division of Motor Vehicles also wants the free IDs - born of voter fraud fears - to be cheapened in quality, with some fraud protections removed.

State officials believe the changes would prompt more people to pay for IDs that can be used more widely, thus increasing transportation funding by nearly $1 million over two years.

Because no one would lose an ID they only use once a year(or four).

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ObserverArt  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:21:31pm

re: #82 jaunte

“Deserving” Due Process is an idiotic way to look at a Constitutionally guaranteed right. CNN writers need a civics course.

I still have a belief this kind of ‘reporting’ is calculated to get viewers watching CNN TV and hitting the ol’ website.

They probably saw the rise in online traffic Trump got when he started saying America gives the bomber suspect too good of medical coverage.

So, they take the calculated entertainment decision to ‘study and ask questions’ about what he deserves as far as protection by law. They know it is an easy story to feed those that think that way, no matter how stupid it is. They do not care about right or wrong of the Trump thinking.

It keeps them in the good graces of the wingnuts. It gets people of all sides talking and watching.

Good for CNN not good for America!

But, when was the last time the media did anything good for America? They work on that bottom line and do what is good for them. They will trade acting stupid for money.

Am I being cynical? Is it cynical when it may just be a business practice?

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ObserverArt  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:24:04pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Sorry for being so catty but man I’m disgusted with the right and their total lack of regard for law and basic human decency. But hey let’s act like Colin Kaepernick is ruining America by refusing to stand for the national anthem while right wingers flaunt the idea of ignoring basic law for a criminal suspect.

And who always claim to be the party of law and order?

Their laws to keep everyone under their order.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:24:12pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

In less than 20 years, we’ve gone from “OMG, BUSH IS GONNA JAIL AMERICAN CITIZENS!” to “Well, why would that be such a bad thing?”

Yegods.

To be fair, though, the folks advocating doing away with due process are largely the same people.

Also to be fair, the big concern with Bush was not so much that he’d actually do all the horrible stuff people imagined, but that his Administration’s insistence that they were ALLOWED to do it with no judicial or legislative oversight or regulation would establish the precedent that it could be. That particular genie would be hard to stuff back into the bottle.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:25:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:25:52pm

re: #109 baski deploribus derpum

Jesus Fucking Christ, wtf is wrong with these assholes?

Under plan, free IDs would be for voting only

Because no one would lose an ID they only use once a year(or four).

And knowing Walker, he’ll shut down DMVs wehre you can get these one time use only IDs. Fuck him and his crooked party that knows they lose with higher turnout so they resort to shady shit like this,.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:26:24pm

re: #113 The Vicious Babushka

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:26:46pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

CNN: DOES BOMBING SUSPECT DESERVE DUE PROCESS?

CNN is now normalizing fascism, openly questioning the rule of law and the civil rights protections enshrined in the US Constitution.

It scares me that these assertions are being discussed in a matter-of-fact way as if they had any merit or were at all defensible.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:27:35pm

re: #116 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It scares me that these assertions are being discussed in a matter-of-fact way as if they had any merit or were at all defensible.

Indeed, casually debating throwing away essential constitutional rights afforded to our citizenry is scary shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:28:14pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:28:43pm
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Yeah, falling unemployment rate and crime lower than it’s been in decades, plus people starting to talk about systemic racism in policing is WAY worse than being bought and sold as farm machinery.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:28:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:29:21pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:29:42pm

re: #119 Blind Frog Belly White

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Yeah, falling unemployment rate and crime lower than it’s been in decades, plus people starting to talk about systemic racism in policing is WAY worse than being bought and sold as farm machinery.

Ever? Shows again what a dumbass bigot you are Donald.

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KGxvi  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:29:43pm

re: #119 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump: “Our African American communities are absolutely in the worse shape they’ve ever been in before. Ever. Ever. Ever.”

Ever?

Well, since they went from being commodities to being communities, anyway…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:30:07pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:31:29pm

re: #123 KGxvi

Well, since they went from being commodities to being communities, anyway…

I seen what you done there!

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So, basically treat the protection of innocent people as a business venture, a gamble, that if it doesn’t pay off you can just walk away.

I’m sure ISIS will thank us for building such target-rich environments for them.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:33:14pm
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jaunte  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:33:39pm

re: #120 The Vicious Babushka

He hasn’t figured out his scammy OPM business tactics don’t scale up to international relations.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:33:42pm

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“It takes the risk”? What the fuck is even saying? Other people absorb the risk or is he arguing with a straight face that it’s risky to spend other people’s money?

Also, too, using other people’s money in business is called investing, shareholders, etc. Those folks expect an ROI. That’s there incentive for giving money to someone else to spend. What is the Gulf States’ ROI on “safe zones”? Where’s there incentive?

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KGxvi  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:34:11pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

So, basically treat the protection of innocent people as a business venture, a gamble, that if it doesn’t pay off you can just walk away.

I’m sure ISIS will thank us for building such target-rich environments for them.

socializing costs while privatizing profits… if only there was a political ideology that took that approach to economics…

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Mike Lamb  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:34:44pm

re: #127 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:34:52pm

re: #129 Mike Lamb

“It takes the risk”? What the fuck is even saying? Other people absorb the risk or is he arguing with a straight face that it’s risky to spend other people’s money?

Also, too, using other people’s money in business is called investing, shareholders, etc. Those folks expect an ROI. That’s there incentive for giving money to someone else to spend. What is the Gulf States’ ROI on “safe zones”? Where’s there incentive?

Yet anotehr reason why it’s laughable to call him a straight talker. He’s so full of fucking shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:35:01pm

re: #127 The Vicious Babushka

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ObserverArt  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:35:38pm

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If he wants to use other peoples money he will need to have ways to encourage them to pay. That is why he wants the strong military and the thinking that goes with it. He wants to use it as a threat to force them to pay up.

He learned that in New York…probably in the construction industry. Military Muscle. Pay Don and the Boys, or else we come in there and take you out (of office) and confiscate your oil.

Hmm. Maybe that is part of his plan for taking out ISIS and settling down the entire middle East and that is why he can’t talk about it…it would be crazy!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:35:46pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

The closest donald ever got to any “inner city” was sending minons in to collect rent from his slums.

I love his continued implication that African-Americans only live in inner cities. Really fuck this bigoted prick.

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Jenner7  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:35:57pm

Just watched Seth Meyers and Stephen Colbert eviscerate Trump on his birther announcement.

Just lovely. More please.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:36:36pm

re: #129 Mike Lamb

“It takes the risk”? What the fuck is even saying? Other people absorb the risk or is he arguing with a straight face that it’s risky to spend other people’s money?

Also, too, using other people’s money in business is called investing, shareholders, etc. Those folks expect an ROI. That’s there incentive for giving money to someone else to spend. What is the Gulf States’ ROI on “safe zones”? Where’s there incentive?

My guess? Trump will spin it to them as “If you don’t pay for these camps, you’ll have these people in your backyards, then they’ll be your problem.” Sell them on the idea that it’s cheaper to make these refugees somebody else’s problem than taking care of them personally.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:36:53pm

re: #129 Mike Lamb

Also, too, using other people’s money in business is called investing, shareholders, etc. Those folks expect an ROI. That’s there incentive for giving money to someone else to spend. What is the Gulf States’ ROI on “safe zones”? Where’s there incentive?

To avoid Trumpenfuhrer invading your country and murdering your citizens.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:36:59pm

re: #128 jaunte

He hasn’t figured out his scammy OPM business tactics don’t scale up to international relations.

That is fine, he would be representing a country that hasn’t figured out that an OPM scammer does not scale up to being an international world leader…

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BeachDem  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:37:20pm

re: #116 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It scares me that these assertions are being discussed in a matter-of-fact way as if they had any merit or were at all defensible.

So similar to the watberboarding enhanced interrogation /ORTURE “DISCUSSIONS” where they normalized the indefensible. Of course, Trump wants to go many steps further, and the right now relates waterboarding to fraternity hazing—and the media just shrug their shoulders and move on…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:38:15pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

My guess? Trump will spin it to them as “If you don’t pay for these camps, you’ll have these people in your backyards, then they’ll be your problem.” Sell them on the idea that it’s cheaper to make these refugees somebody else’s problem than taking care of them personally.

I certainly agree that these people should be distributed more equitably, and preferably closer to home or at least closer to their own regions, but that is not the basis of DT’s reasoning here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:39:25pm
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hahahahaaaaaa (wipes eyes) bwahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!

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Mike Lamb  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:40:27pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

My guess? Trump will spin it to them as “If you don’t pay for these camps, you’ll have these people in your backyards, then they’ll be your problem.” Sell them on the idea that it’s cheaper to make these refugees somebody else’s problem than taking care of them personally.

Has he ever announced where these would be built? I always got the impression that they would be located in the Gulf States. And we already have refugee camps. Does he think they are going to build palaces to house displaced folks?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:40:56pm
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What, you don’t believe Fox?

I cannot see why…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:42:09pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

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hannity is my favorite prize winning exhibition moron

he gets to star as rudolph hess in the movie version of the trumpreich

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Timothy Watson  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:43:23pm

re: #147 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

hannity is my favorite prize winning exhibition moron

he gets to star as rudolph hess in the movie version of the trumpreich

When does he fly a plane to England to defect?

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ObserverArt  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:44:08pm

re: #143 Mike Lamb

Has he ever announced where these would be built? I always got the impression that they would be located in the Gulf States. And we already have refugee camps. Does he think they are going to build palaces to house displaced folks?

No. But the money can pay for Trump Industries to build some crappy housing.

All run by the kids with a fat government contract to do the development, upkeep, etc.

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William Lewis  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:45:20pm

re: #147 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

hannity is my favorite prize winning exhibition moron

he gets to star as rudolph hess in the movie version of the trumpreich

Better that than Trump Jr’s audition to play Reinhard Heydrich…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:46:33pm

re: #138 Timothy Watson

To avoid Trumpenfuhrer invading your country and murdering your citizens.

Yeah, well, there’s a problem in all that. You can only credibly threaten a limited number of countries at the same time.

I gotta say, his ‘thinking’ reminds me of so many wingnuts who say things like “CO2 isn’t really rising. They only test it at Mauna Kea - on top of a VOLCANO!”, because apparently they think climate scientists never thought about that.

With Trump, it’s “These people are so stupid that they never thought of this”, when in fact all of his proposals are the very first ones you’d look at and reject, for a whole lot of very good reasons. For example, why don’t we make Europe and Japan do more of their own defense? Well, gee, the LAST time we did that, 65 million people ended up dead.

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gwangung  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:46:41pm

re: #127 The Vicious Babushka

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And Trump contributed to it with his housing discrimination against blacks and his statement against the Central Park 5…

Kinda brave talk for someone who trashes a church pastor behind her back…

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:46:49pm

Can’t overstate how important this election is.

We could have survived McCain (assuming that he survived himself). We could have survived Romney. We really cannot survive Trump.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:47:58pm

re: #148 Timothy Watson

When does he fly a plane to England to defect?

Can we reopen Spandau for him?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:49:38pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

Can’t overstate how important this election is.

We could have survived McCain (assuming that he survived himself). We could have survived Romney. We really cannot survive Trump.

C’mon, we are talking about candidates with a background in politics and public service, people with legislative and administrative records to refer to.

The scary things is that DT supporters see a lack of record of public service as a plus.

It shows that a lot of his supporters hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate the Democrats and are voting DT to spite them both.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:50:52pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:51:06pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

Can’t overstate how important this election is.

We could have survived McCain (assuming that he survived himself). We could have survived Romney. We really cannot survive Trump.

I have heard the opinion that the basket-dwelling Republicans were disappointed in McCain’s politeness and Romney’s unwillingness to go racist against Obama, so Trump is their answer.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:52:24pm

re: #157 wrenchwench

I have heard the opinion that the basket-dwelling Republicans were disappointed in McCain’s politeness and Romney’s unwillingness to go racist against Obama, so Trump is their answer.

Oh, hell - I’ve heard them say they wish Trump would take the gloves off! Because apparently he’s being too polite.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:53:16pm

re: #157 wrenchwench

I have heard the opinion that the basket-dwelling Republicans were disappointed in McCain’s politeness and Romney’s unwillingness to go racist against Obama, so Trump is their answer.

They want their candidates to be as vile as themselves, yes.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:53:52pm

re: #154 Blind Frog Belly White

Can we reopen Spandau for him?

They tore it down after Hess died.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:54:28pm

I was wondering when charges related to the bombs would be filed.
The initial charges were related to the shootout with police.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:55:21pm

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

C’mon, we are talking about candidates with a background in politics and public service, people with legislative and administrative records to refer to.

The scary things is that DT supporters see a lack of record of public service as a plus.

It shows that a lot of his supporters hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate the Democrats and are voting DT to spite them both.

Dubya played up his business experience as a plus when running in 2000. McCain spent 2008 spinning himself as a “maverick,” as being outside the party’s influence. Willard spent 2012 playing up himself as a businessman and burying that time he was governor except when he could take credit for any beneficial outcomes. The GOP has spent the better part of the last 16 years selling people on this idea that “outsiders” are the best people to run the government. It was inevitable that the people would eventually decide that if non-government experience was a plus, then no government experience would be the ideal.

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wrenchwench  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:55:24pm

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They want their candidates to be as vile as themselves, yes.

They need to fight with what they have. Racism has always worked.

This year’s black is female.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:56:48pm

re: #129 Mike Lamb

“It takes the risk”? What the fuck is even saying? Other people absorb the risk or is he arguing with a straight face that it’s risky to spend other people’s money?

Also, too, using other people’s money in business is called investing, shareholders, etc. Those folks expect an ROI. That’s there incentive for giving money to someone else to spend. What is the Gulf States’ ROI on “safe zones”? Where’s there incentive?

Donald Trump took $39 million of OPM and left the shareholders take the hit

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 20, 2016 • 3:58:51pm

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:00:04pm

re: #143 Mike Lamb

Has he ever announced where these would be built? I always got the impression that they would be located in the Gulf States. And we already have refugee camps. Does he think they are going to build palaces to house displaced folks?

He said he will build “beautiful safe zones” in Syria, and the Gulf States will pay for it (like Mexico pays the The Wall)

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Timothy Watson  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:02:30pm

Rhetorical question: When are thousands of indictments doing to be coming down for Wells Fargo and its employees committing identity theft (fraudulently opening a banking account in someone else’s name)?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:05:07pm
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whitebeach  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:06:11pm

re: #166 The Vicious Babushka

He said he will build “beautiful safe zones” in Syria, and the Gulf States will pay for it (like Mexico pays the The Wall)

This is approximately as bright as saying, circa 1863, that he would build “beautiful safe zones” somewhere in North Carolina or Georgia for American Civil War refugees and that Brazil or Argentina would pay for them.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:06:12pm

Cute break. My SIL’s critters:

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:08:47pm

re: #152 gwangung

And Trump contributed to it with his housing discrimination against blacks and his statement against the Central Park 5…

Kinda brave talk for someone who trashes a church pastor behind her back…

Exactly. He’s not fooling the vast majority of Black people with his empty words.

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dangerman  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:08:51pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Dubya played up his business experience as a plus when running in 2000. McCain spent 2008 spinning himself as a “maverick,” as being outside the party’s influence. Willard spent 2012 playing up himself as a businessman and burying that time he was governor except when he could take credit for any beneficial outcomes. The GOP has spent the better part of the last 16 years selling people on this idea that “outsiders” are the best people to run the government. It was inevitable that the people would eventually decide that if non-government experience was a plus, then no government experience would be the ideal.

its the homeopathic theory of experience

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:09:23pm

Trump Foundation paid $20,000 for this portrait of Shit Head

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dangerman  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:10:10pm

re: #165 Patricia Kayden

Yes, in a civilized democracy, even terrorists deserve due process. Stupid question.

american citizen(s)

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:12:35pm

re: #166 The Vicious Babushka

He said he will build “beautiful safe zones” in Syria, and the Gulf States will pay for it (like Mexico pays the The Wall)

Ayep, that way when the camps inevitably fail, the investors don’t have to worry that the refugees will be going too far.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:13:13pm
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The puzzling appearance of an ice cloud seemingly out of thin air has prompted NASA scientists to suggest that a different process than previously thought — possibly similar to one seen over Earth’s poles — could be forming clouds on Saturn’s moon Titan.

caption on graphic:
Scientists from NASA’s Cassini mission think the appearance of a cloud of dicyanoacetylene (C4N2) ice in Titan’s stratosphere is explained by “solid-state” chemistry taking place inside ice particles. The particles have an inner layer of cyanoacetylene (HC3N) ice coated with an outer layer of hydrogen cyanide (HCN) ice. (Left) When a photon of light penetrates the outer shell, it can interact with the HC3N, producing C3N and H. (Center) The C3N then reacts with HCN to yield (right) C4N2 and H. Another reaction that also yields C4N2 ice and H also is possible, but less likely.
Credits: NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center

more at the link.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:13:25pm

How many Trump supporters are taking in homeless Americans or are they just talking points to use against refugees?

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Oh yeah Trump once threatened to turn one of his properties into a homeless shelter in order to get rent controlled tenants to leave.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:13:27pm

re: #174 dangerman

american citizen(s)

They are playing down the fact that he is a citizen and playing up his otherness: his Muslimism and his immigrantism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:15:03pm

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

How many Trump supporters are taking in homeless Americans or are they just talking points to use against refugees?

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Just talking points against government spending on anything but guns and bombs.

They would just as soon see homeless washed up on beaches as they would dead refugees.

Someone else’s beaches, though…

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Ming5000  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:15:03pm

dayum, Senator Warren is crushing Wells Fargo CEO Stumpf.

He seems implacable though.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:16:22pm
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Teukka  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:17:32pm

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:18:28pm

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

Man in crowd volunteered to execute HRC, said it’s what a traitor deserves.

Does she even deserve due process?

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EPR-radar  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:19:37pm

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are playing down the fact that he is a citizen and playing up his otherness: his Muslimism and his immigrantism.

So it’s both fascist and pointless, since due process of law applies to everyone.

Fun fact for the day: “citizen” does not appear in the bill of rights.

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Skip Intro  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:22:40pm
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dangerman  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:22:43pm

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are playing down the fact that he is a citizen and playing up his otherness: his Muslimism and his immigrantism.

yup - trump is trying to crumble the 4th 5th and 6th amendments to bits

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:23:51pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:25:24pm
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“Hello, King Salman? Hi, this is Donald Trump. You know, the President of the United States?”

“Hello Mr. President. Nice to speak with you. Did you get the fruit basket we sent for your inauguration?”

“Yeah, yer Highness, it was great. I wanted to ask you to spend your own money to build a safe zone for Syrian refugees right there in the Middle East.”

“No.”

“But…”

“No.”

“Listen, I’ve talked to all the other Kings and Emirs around the Gulf, and they’re all begging me to do this deal without you. But I wanted to give you a chance to get in on it.”

“Interesting. Because I just got off a conference call with all the heads of the Gulf States, Mr. President, and do you know what they told me?”

“Uh. No. What?”

“They told me that you’d claimed we’d already committed $100 Billion.”

“Well, gee, yer Highness, sometimes you gotta, you know, grease the skids a little. So, are you interested?”

“No.”

“You know, yer Highness, if you don’t go along, we might just pull our troops out of Saudi Arabia.”

“You don’t have any troops in Saudi Arabia.”

“Yes, we do. Lots!”

“No. You don’t. I have to ring off now, Mr. President. So, if there’s nothing else, good day, sir.”

“But…! But….!”

*click*

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:26:50pm

re: #180 Ming5000

dayum, Senator Warren is crushing Wells Fargo CEO Stumpf.

He seems implacable though.

Hey, pay me enough and I’ll stare Sen. Warren down, myself!

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EPR-radar  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:28:54pm

re: #186 dangerman

yup - trump is trying to crumble the 4th 5th and 6th amendments to bits

Trump is also on record as opposing the 1st and 8th amendments. So he’s clearly against 5 of the 8 rights explicitly listed in the bill of rights.

The Trump version of the bill of rights would have the second amendment (because wingnuts), no quartering of soldiers on the population (a dead issue) and right of trial by jury in civil suits over $20 or more (which will be opposed by Trump the instant such opposition becomes financially beneficial for Trump).

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KGxvi  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:29:23pm

re: #188 Blind Frog Belly White

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“Hello, King Salman? Hi, this is Donald Trump. You know, the President of the United States?”

“Hello Mr. President. Nice to speak with you. Did you get the fruit basket we sent for your inauguration?”

“Yeah, yer Highness, it was great. I wanted to ask you to spend your own money to build a safe zone for Syrian refugees right there in the Middle East.”

“No.”

“But…”

“No.”

“Listen, I’ve talked to all the other Kings and Emirs around the Gulf, and they’re all begging me to do this deal without you. But I wanted to give you a chance to get in on it.”

“Interesting. Because I just got off a conference call with all the heads of the Gulf States, Mr. President, and do you know what they told me?”

“Uh. No. What?”

“They told me that you’d claimed we’d already committed $100 Billion.”

“Well, gee, yer Highness, sometimes you gotta, you know, grease the skids a little. So, are you interested?”

“No.”

“You know, yer Highness, if you don’t go along, we might just pull our troops out of Saudi Arabia.”

“You don’t have any troops in Saudi Arabia.”

“Yes, we do. Lots!”

“No. You don’t. I have to ring off now, Mr. President. So, if there’s nothing else, good day, sir.”

“But…! But….!”

*click*

Just wait until he gets called into the NATO boardroom and Merkel tells him that he’s fired.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:34:15pm
Honoring victims of 1976 DC Embassy Row assassination

September 21, 1976 marks the 40th anniversary when a car bomb went off along Massachusetts Avenue’s Embassy Row at Sheridan Circle here in DC.

Francisco Letelier was 17-years-old and in the 11th grade at Walt Whitman High School in Bethesda. Someone came to his geometry class that day to say he was wanted in the office. There he found his aunt waiting.

“All she could tell us was there had been an accident,” recalls Francisco. “When we arrived at the hospital my mother was waiting for us, and she let us know our father had died.”

Earlier that morning, at approximately 9:35, a bomb taped underneath Orlando Letelier’s car ripped the vehicle apart.

“My mother, she huddled us all together and said, whatever happens don’t let this teach you how to hate,” says Francisco, one of Orlando and Isabel Letelier’s four sons.

Orlando Letelier had served as Chilean Ambassador to the United States and as a cabinet member to the democratic elected government of Salvador Allende in the early 1970’s. Then came a military coup. The elder Letelier was imprisoned until international pressure led to his release. He returned to Washington and was a vocal opponent to the government of General Augusto Pinochet.

wusa9.com

The United States used to have the best dictatorial allies, bigly!

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Timothy Watson  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:36:14pm

Shocker, obvious moral panic was moral panic:

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:37:14pm

Politics is local:

Hillary, will you state support for Iowa caucuses as 1st in nation?

Whether Hillary will carry Iowa may depend on her making sure her Iowa advertisements embrace this.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:38:24pm

re: #193 Timothy Watson

“Kids admit to making up story about clowns”

But enough about the Trump family…

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:38:57pm

*ring ring*

“Yo, Salman, I wanted to revisit those safe zones we talked about the other day.”

“Mr. President, as I made clear during our previous discussion, there’s nothing to discuss.”

“Oh yeah? Well, it would be a shame if we had to cut off military aid to your country.”

“You’d cripple your own ally just to make your campaign promise a reality?”

“Look, I’m a guy who drives hard bargains. The deal’s on the table, your support in exchange for ours.”

“I cannot agree to such a deal, Mr. President. But ask yourself this: How do you plan to attack your enemies in this region when we’ve cut off access to our airfields, our bases, and our support networks to your military?”

“Don’t think you can intimidate me, Sally. I’ve been doing deals like this for decades.”

“Then I’m sure you’ll have just as much success here as with your casinos. Goodbye, Mr. President.” *click*

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:39:11pm

re: #188 Blind Frog Belly White

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“Hello, King Salman? Hi, this is Donald Trump. You know, the President of the United States?”

“Hello Mr. President. Nice to speak with you. Did you get the fruit basket we sent for your inauguration?”

“Yeah, yer Highness, it was great. I wanted to ask you to spend your own money to build a safe zone for Syrian refugees right there in the Middle East.”

“No.”

“But…”

“No.”

“Listen, I’ve talked to all the other Kings and Emirs around the Gulf, and they’re all begging me to do this deal without you. But I wanted to give you a chance to get in on it.”

“Interesting. Because I just got off a conference call with all the heads of the Gulf States, Mr. President, and do you know what they told me?”

“Uh. No. What?”

“They told me that you’d claimed we’d already committed $100 Billion.”

“Well, gee, yer Highness, sometimes you gotta, you know, grease the skids a little. So, are you interested?”

“No.”

“You know, yer Highness, if you don’t go along, we might just pull our troops out of Saudi Arabia.”

“You don’t have any troops in Saudi Arabia.”

“Yes, we do. Lots!”

“No. You don’t. I have to ring off now, Mr. President. So, if there’s nothing else, good day, sir.”

“But…! But….!”

*click*

WE’RE TAKING ALL THE OIL

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:41:17pm

re: #168 The Vicious Babushka

This ballot has a typo on it, it says Hillary Clinton! Dur Dur!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:43:39pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:43:59pm
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De Kolta Chair  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:45:25pm

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:48:42pm

I start serving jury duty tomorrow morning, not that I mind all that much since the courthouse is two and 1/2 blocks from my apartment. Thanks Obammers!

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Dr. Lexus  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:52:59pm

Another group files IRS complaint against Wisconsin Club for Growth

The conservative group at the center of Gov. Scott Walker’s political operation during the 2011 and 2012 recalls may have flouted IRS rules by providing a private benefit, a former agency administrator said Wednesday.

The comments came the same day a Wisconsin group filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service alleging the Wisconsin Club for Growth violated federal law when it operated as a fundraising and campaign hub for Walker and Senate Republicans facing recall.

The complaint from the nonpartisan Wisconsin Democracy Campaign comes in the wake of a report by the Guardian US, an arm of the British newspaper, which published leaked documents last week providing the clearest picture yet of how the group operated.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:57:18pm

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

How many Trump supporters are taking in homeless Americans or are they just talking points to use against refugees?

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Oh yeah Trump once threatened to turn one of his properties into a homeless shelter in order to get rent controlled tenants to leave.

Keep in mind that it was Republicans who destroyed Iraq with that stupid, unnecessary war. The entire country of Iraq should come here and live now that their country has been destroyed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:57:59pm
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De Kolta Chair  Sep 20, 2016 • 4:58:46pm

One of the best things about democracy is how hard it is to get folks to stand in formation. But when it comes to Rainier Beer, the Baffle Bar, the National Recovery Act, and drinking Belfast dry, it’s all worth it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:02:18pm
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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:05:15pm

538 continues to show Drumpfskind closing in on Clinton:

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:07:54pm

re: #208 freetoken

Still shows Hillary 13% higher.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:10:06pm

re: #208 freetoken

538 continues to show Drumpfskind closing in on Clinton:

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

It feels like 2000 all over again. We may elect a grossly incompetent Republican (even worse this time around, incredibly) because we aren’t in love with the highly qualified Democrat. Unfortunately its the millenials who appear to be flirting with Johnson and Stein, and apparently can’t remember 2000.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:10:07pm

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

Way too close.

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:11:25pm

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

In “odds” of winning, yes, but in the popular vote and the electoral vote the race is projected to be very tight.

Clinton’s in-the-bag states are most the electoral big ones which are unlikely to change, so her odds of winning are outsized compared to how the vote is expected to end.

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:14:38pm

What’s helping Hillary remain the favorite to win the whole thing is that she only needs to win 1 out of 3 of the big so-called swing states (OH, FL, PA). Drumpfskind needs to win all 3.

Hillary has a popular lead in PA that is not small, and that will likely doom Drumpfskind.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:14:51pm

re: #210 Big Beautiful Door

It feels like 2000 all over again. We may elect a grossly incompetent Republican (even worse this time around, incredibly) because we aren’t in love with the highly qualified Democrat. Unfortunately its the millenials who appear to be flirting with Johnson and Stein, and apparently can’t remember 2000.

I doubt most Millenials younger than myself even remember the 2000 elections.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:15:04pm

Lots of ‘bad news’ polls last week, and a smaller number of ‘good news’ polls this week so far.

What bothers me is that it’s like people see Trump do something like go after the Khans for a week, and decide he’s awful. But a month and some later, somehow he’s okay? He’s still the same guy, and he didn’t apologize.

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ObserverArt  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:15:31pm

Ken Burns, Historian and great History Film Maker is on Chris Hayes and he was talking about historic comparisons to Trump.

Interestingly he said he felt the Vietnam era was this country’s second civil war (the rancor between sides over the war) and this election may be a third (because of the splits in politics and political thinking).

I added the bits in parenthesis, interpreting what he didn’t say directly.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:16:09pm

re: #213 freetoken

What’s helping Hillary remain the favorite to win the whole thing is that she only needs to win 1 out of 3 of the big so-called swing states (OH, FL, PA). Drumpfskind needs to win all 3.

Hillary has a popular lead in PA that is not small, and that will likely doom Drumpfskind.

Hence the media working overtime to spin her win as for the “wrong” reasons. Much like Bill in ‘92, they figure if they can’t destroy her outright, they’ll render her presidency “illegitimate” so as to have plenty of controversy to cover.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:16:37pm

re: #212 freetoken

Also, 538 is quickly becoming an outlier compared to everyone else.

NYT has a rundown on the various Predictors:

NYT- 75% Dem.
538- 56% Dem.
Daily Kos- 65% Dem.
PredictWise-73% Dem.
Princeton Election Consortium-81% Dem.
Cook- Leaning Dem.
Rothenberg & Gonzales- Leaning Dem.
Sabato- Likely Dem.

One of these is a ways outside of the others. So, something 538 is doing is different. And considering how far off the the average they are on the numerical ones (Average for those 5, with out them, is 73.5%, with them, it is 70%), something is not right. Personally, I think they have too much junk cluttering the model, combined with a need to sell clicks.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:17:04pm

re: #214 Targetpractice

How old are you? I remember them, to some extent.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:17:47pm

re: #211 GlutenFreeJesus

Way too close.

I’ll reiterate what I said a yesterday: That kind of thinking leads to anger and disappointment. Hillary’s not going to blow it out, because she’s the first woman to have a chance at the presidency and is part of the party that had the first black man as president. There are a whole lot of people who can’t handle that kind of change. GOTV, and celebrate the fact that the better candidate is in the lead and that we are most likely going to have a historic election.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:18:57pm

re: #219 Ziggy_TARDIS

How old are you? I remember them, to some extent.

32 years young, which puts me in that nebulous region between “Gen X” and “Millenials.” Which would make me 16 in 2000. And I barely remember the election, beyond of course all the jokes about “pregnant chads” and “I invented the Internet.”

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Bear  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:19:04pm

re: #206 De Kolta Chair

Think the NRA was declared uncostitutional in the 1930’s

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:20:48pm

re: #221 Targetpractice

26. I remember a lot, but not the specifics.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:21:08pm

re: #221 Targetpractice

32 years young, which puts me in that nebulous region between “Gen X” and “Millenials.” Which would make me 16 in 2000. And I barely remember the election, beyond of course all the jokes about “pregnant chads” and “I invented the Internet.”

I believe you and your ilk were dubbed “Generation Y”, by people whose thinking is strictly linear and incremental.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:22:16pm

re: #218 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am more and more disregarding 538 because of how outside of the pack they are.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:25:37pm

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

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See, this is what worries me. I was very concerned about President Obama’s safety when he took office, but these cowards knew for all their “race war” rhetoric, that it would never happen unless they started it, and if anything would start it, it would be the assassination of the first black President.

If anything were to happen to President Clinton though, they know women are not going to start an armed uprising, so they may be emboldened to try something. I don’t remember anyone yelling for Obama to be killed before he was even elected.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:27:32pm

re: #213 freetoken

What’s helping Hillary remain the favorite to win the whole thing is that she only needs to win 1 out of 3 of the big so-called swing states (OH, FL, PA). Drumpfskind needs to win all 3.

Hillary has a popular lead in PA that is not small, and that will likely doom Drumpfskind.

I wish it were so, but Trump doesn’t have to win Pennsylvania as long as he wins Nv, Ia, Oh, NC and Fl and picks off one more state such as Co, Ws, Mi, or NH, states where he has been gaining ground. I’m hoping Hilary scores a clear win in the debate Monday, and her lead starts to increase again.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:27:50pm

re: #227 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

See, this is what worries me. I was very concerned about President Obama’s safety when he took office, but these cowards knew for all their “race war” rhetoric, that it would never happen unless they started it, and if anything would start it, it would be the assassination of the first black President.

If anything were to happen to President Clinton though, they know women are not going to start an armed uprising, so they may be emboldened to try something. I don’t remember anyone yelling for Obama to be killed before he was even elected.

Obama did not go into office with 25 years of bullshit negativity against him.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:28:10pm

re: #224 Blind Frog Belly White

I believe you and your ilk were dubbed “Generation Y”, by people whose thinking is strictly linear and incremental.

That was when they decided to be cutesy and declare “Well, if the Boomer kids were Gen X, then their kids must be Gen Y!” Then they eventually decided that those of us who came of age in 2000/2001 were “Millenials.”

I expect that, in another 20 years or so, we’ll be spoken of in the same dark tones that “Boomers” are now.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:30:57pm

re: #216 ObserverArt
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Ken Burns, Historian and great History Film Maker is on Chris Hayes and he was talking about historic comparisons to Trump.

Interestingly he said he felt the Vietnam era was this country’s second civil war (the rancor between sides over the war) and this election may be a third (because of the splits in politics and political thinking).

I added the bits in parenthesis, interpreting what he didn’t say directly.

Similar to Stonekettle’s latest essay.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:32:09pm

Your Canadian News Of The Day==>
(In spoiler tags because it’s kinda NSFW)

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Skip Intro  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:34:05pm

re: #228 Big Beautiful Door

I wish it were so, but Trump doesn’t have to win Pennsylvania as long as he wins Nv, Ia, Oh, NC and Fl and picks off one more state such as Co, Ws, Mi, or NH, states where he has been gaining ground. I’m hoping Hilary scores a clear win in the debate Monday, and her lead starts to increase again.

You mean the “debate” consisting of these platitudes?

America’s Direction
Achieving Prosperity
Securing America

Or maybe it’s

Achieving Direction
Securing Prosperity
America’s America

Or perhaps

Securing Direction
America’s Prosperity
Achieving America

These are real meaty topics sure to separate out the wheat from the chaff - NOT!

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:35:34pm

re: #232 The Vicious Babushka

“He loves only gold…” :)

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:39:28pm
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Belafon  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:39:48pm

re: #228 Big Beautiful Door

I wish it were so, but Trump doesn’t have to win Pennsylvania as long as he wins Nv, Ia, Oh, NC and Fl and picks off one more state such as Co, Ws, Mi, or NH, states where he has been gaining ground. I’m hoping Hilary scores a clear win in the debate Monday, and her lead starts to increase again.

As long as he pulls off something hard and then does something else hard, he can win.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:40:19pm

re: #233 Skip Intro

You mean the “debate” consisting of these platitudes?

America’s Direction
Achieving Prosperity
Securing America

Or maybe it’s

Achieving Direction
Securing Prosperity
America’s America

Or perhaps

Securing Direction
America’s Prosperity
Achieving America

These are real meaty topics sure to separate out the wheat from the chaff - NOT!

Hillary is capable of laying out clear policies to achieve goals, while Trump just bullshits. I’m hoping the viewing audience will see that and start appreciating how qualified Clinton is.

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BeachDem  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:42:29pm

re: #233 Skip Intro

You mean the “debate” consisting of these platitudes?

America’s Direction
Achieving Prosperity
Securing America

Or maybe it’s

Achieving Direction
Securing Prosperity
America’s America

Or perhaps

Securing Direction
America’s Prosperity
Achieving America

These are real meaty topics sure to separate out the wheat from the chaff - NOT!

Your edits make them sound even more like right wing SuperPAC names.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:43:06pm

re: #236 Belafon

As long as he pulls off something hard and then does something else hard, he can win.

Yes Clinton still has the edge in this election, but she ought to be winning in a landslide and we shouldn’t have to worry about a potential Trump presidency at all.

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ObserverArt  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:45:19pm

re: #237 Big Beautiful Door

Hillary is capable of laying out clear policies to achieve goals, while Trump just bullshits. I’m hoping the viewing audience will see that and start appreciating how qualified Clinton is.

I’m hoping Hillary is tuned up enough to ask and to go into the details of some of the general bullshit Trump will spout. Get him into wonk territory and ask for specifics he won’t be able to provide. Then lay out your own and in detail say why what he is saying will not work. Show you know actual policy and he does not. She should be able to make a big contrast between them.

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:46:25pm

re: #238 BeachDem

My suggestions for the big 3 questions:

America’s Reality-TV Debauchery
Achieving Idiocracy
Securing 50-Yard-Line Seats

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Bubblehead II  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:47:54pm
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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:48:19pm

All day long, the atmosphere above my head has been trying to Achieve Rain… and so far it’s not added up to a quarter inch.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:48:42pm

re: #239 Big Beautiful Door

Yes Clinton still has the edge in this election, but she ought to be winning in a landslide and we shouldn’t have to worry about a potential Trump presidency at all.

Not in this version of America. At the same time, it’s actually much harder for Trump to make up the difference.

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Great White Snark  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:49:12pm

re: #243 freetoken

Dry lightning inland?

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:50:42pm

re: #245 Great White Snark

Not today, I think. There was a fire watch a couple of days ago because of lightening, but the rain today is because the mid-level humidity finally got high enough. Most of the rain is drifting in from the SW, blown off remnant of Paine.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:52:33pm

re: #239 Big Beautiful Door

Yes Clinton still has the edge in this election, but she ought to be winning in a landslide and we shouldn’t have to worry about a potential Trump presidency at all.

Your media at work.

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 5:54:40pm

Paine brought a lot of clouds to the SW corner of the country:

goes.noaa.gov

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Great White Snark  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:02:01pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:02:32pm

re: #225 Kragar

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Thanos  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:04:44pm

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Townhall / salem com clown might be talking about our consul in Hong Kong before the Boxer Rebellion or the animal planet reality tv show, but he could be talking about several sports figures as well… He’s delusion if he thinks there’s only 1 “the wildman”…. I mean we used to call a festival goer of ill repute that in my hometown because he was always drunk and high on acid…

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Dr. Lexus  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:05:29pm

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:07:03pm

Was listening to Trumpists on CNN lying to agree with Trump that African-American neighborhoods are in the worse shape they have ever been, and pointing to Chicago. Reality is that while Chicago is on pace for over 700 murders, which is bad, there have been many years in the past when it was much worse, and up until this year homicides had been under 500 for six of the previous seven years.

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gwangung  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:16:56pm

Ifre: #239 Big Beautiful Door

Yes Clinton still has the edge in this election, but she ought to be winning in a landslide and we shouldn’t have to worry about a potential Trump presidency at all.

If there was one thing Obama should have taught folks was to ignore the short term churn, and look at the big picture.

Moreover, look at polls more and more critically. Four different polling groups can take the EXACT same data….and come up with four different results. It’s their models that vary widely….

So you either take the whole aggregate of polls together…or you do the hard work of parsing each pollster’s model (and believe me, some of them have some unbelievable assumptions…like the white vote will make up 70% of the election, when it has shrunk every single Presidential election since the early 90s).

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dangerman  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:17:25pm

re: #240 ObserverArt

I’m hoping Hillary is tuned up enough to ask and to go into the details of some of the general bullshit Trump will spout. Get him into wonk territory and ask for specifics he won’t be able to provide. Then lay out your own and in detail say why what he is saying will not work. Show you know actual policy and he does not. She should be able to make a big contrast between them.

Nuff said

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:17:40pm

re: #253 Big Beautiful Door

Was listening to Trumpists on CNN lying to agree with Trump that African-American neighborhoods are in the worse shape they have ever been, and pointing to Chicago. Reality is that while Chicago is on pace for over 700 murders, which is bad, there have been many years in the past when it was much worse, and up until this year homicides had been under 500 for six of the previous seven years.

And the thing that people always forget to point out is Chicago’s special function as a drug hub for Mexican cartels that set prices. The guys on the ground are left basically (and literally) shooting it out for dominance. So he might also talk about the long legacy of red lining that trapped black families in those neighborhoods with predatory mortgages when they could even get loans and homes they could probably barely sell if they tried.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:19:09pm
“Okay. That’s good. And I’m going to go back onto Flint.”

— D. Trump De Dumpty

And bingo bongo boink, he never did and never will. Finale, adios, the end, and the real world keeps revolving.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:20:37pm

re: #253 Big Beautiful Door

Was listening to Trumpists on CNN lying to agree with Trump that African-American neighborhoods are in the worse shape they have ever been, and pointing to Chicago. Reality is that while Chicago is on pace for over 700 murders, which is bad, there have been many years in the past when it was much worse, and up until this year homicides had been under 500 for six of the previous seven years.

Listening to Trump, every city with a significant (40%+) black population is Chicago, which he portrays as a war-torn hellscape where “good people” can’t walk the streets without risking getting shot, gangs are running rampant over powerless police forces, and Democrats are letting it all go on because they’ve got the black population fooled into supporting them.

It’s racist on so many levels that even George Wallace would go “Don, take it down a notch.”

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:23:50pm

It’s one of those days with this kind of asshole in my mentions.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:24:29pm

re: #245 Great White Snark

Dry lightning inland?

Rained a little bit here. Humid.

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BeachDem  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:26:44pm

Because those scintillating debate topics are “subject to possible changes because of news developments,” some alternative topics from Jason Linkins:
Securing Even More Prosperity
The Perfect Christmas Morning
Talk About Your Grandmother
Achieving Erection
Should We Put Secured Prosperity In Some Sort Of Box, As A Keepsake?
How Do I Get This Stain Off My Shower Curtain Liner?
Iterating American Synergy
Should I Bring Something To Your Party, Wine Perhaps?
Dogs Or Cats, Who Ya Got?
How Soon Can You Circle Back To Me?
huffingtonpost.com;

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Stanley Sea  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:27:32pm

re: #256 Barefoot Grin

And the thing that people always forget to point out is Chicago’s special function as a drug hub for Mexican cartels that set prices. The guys on the ground are left basically (and literally) shooting it out for dominance. So he might also talk about the long legacy of red lining that trapped black families in those neighborhoods with predatory mortgages when they could even get loans and homes they could probably barely sell if they tried.

No one ever mentions the discrimination in housing.

Trump can’t, cause it’s a trap.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:27:40pm

re: #254 gwangung

And look at the aggregators too.

For example, 538 is now an extreme outlier among them.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:27:56pm

Brown citizens accused of crimes will now be considered enemy combatants.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:30:23pm

My fuzzy buddy Ozzie, Prismafied:

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Great White Snark  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:31:26pm

re: #253 Big Beautiful Door

Was listening to Trumpists on CNN lying to agree with Trump that African-American neighborhoods are in the worse shape they have ever been, and pointing to Chicago. Reality is that while Chicago is on pace for over 700 murders, which is bad, there have been many years in the past when it was much worse, and up until this year homicides had been under 500 for six of the previous seven years.

Ask HW Bush if the party is “more unified than ever”. ‘Cause I think it was about as unified as ever when he took office.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:31:28pm

Does CNN “deserve” due process before we send them to FEMA camp for journalistic malpractice and aggravated ignorance?

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:31:59pm

re: #218 Ziggy_TARDIS

Late last week, some polls were leaning ever so slightly in Oatmeal Face’s direction, but the polls this week are reversed. Methinks the worst has elapsed, but of course be ever vigilant.

“Early to bed, early to rise makes a man healthy and wise enough to vote for the first female president of the United States of America, motherfuckers.”
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Great White Snark  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:32:00pm

re: #265 Eric The Fruit Bat

Which effect?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:32:19pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:32:35pm

re: #263 Ziggy_TARDIS

And look at the aggregators too.

For example, 538 is now an extreme outlier among them.

Apparently 538 is using results from online polls. This seems to be invalid on its face, and no amount of tinkering with the numbers would appear to be able to remedy the situation. Garbage in, garbage out.

Has Nate Silver provided an explanation for why he includes online polls in his aggregates? If so, that would be interesting reading to see if I’m missing anything.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:33:31pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

Brown citizens accused of crimes will now be considered enemy combatants.

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EPR-radar  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:35:43pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

David Bell would presumably not like to be summarily shot on the side of the road by a cop who thinks he’s a criminal.

So he’s a hypocrite with this “all rights are lost” bullshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:35:57pm

in other political news today:

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retired cynic  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:36:40pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:37:07pm

re: #275 retired cynic

Backwoods Sleuth, our news aggregator!

:D

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:37:42pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

Timmie Rogers: Alka Seltzer Commerical

;-) Bit o’ trivia: the late Sammy Davis Jr. was a big sci-fi horror movie and literature fan. His book, manuscript and art collection recently sold at auction for many millions.

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BeachDem  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:37:45pm

Tried to give CNN a quick look, and there, once again, was Andre “don’t feed strays and poor people because they’ll breed” Bauer, expounding and I said NOPE and switched to a cooking show.

Ugh—Andre Fucking Bauer—yeah, CNN certainly bent over backward to find some fine conservative commentators.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:38:16pm

re: #271 EPR-radar

Apparently 538 is using results from online polls. This seems to be invalid on its face, and no amount of tinkering with the numbers would appear to be able to remedy the situation. Garbage in, garbage out.

Has Nate Silver provided an explanation for why he includes online polls in his aggregates? If so, that would be interesting reading to see if I’m missing anything.

The online polls he’s using aren’t the usual ‘Click if you agree!!’ kind of polls, and others do include them in their aggregations. I think the difference with 538 is that they’re trying to PREDICT, rather than tell you the state of the current race. I don’t think Wang at Princeton is saying his low uncertainties are predictive, but rather about the race as it stands today.

Overall, it’s hard to know who’s right, because as it gets closer to the election, predictive and current-state models will converge. Whatever they say on 7 November will probably be pretty much the same, and also pretty likely to be the outcome.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:38:40pm

re: #269 Great White Snark

Caribbean, 55%.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:42:05pm
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Mike’s an okay guy so I’m just posting here to make a point. Don’t give him shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:42:13pm
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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:43:02pm

Seeing how little the ideal of ‘innocent until proven guilty’ is cherished when convenient (and especially when the subject in question isn’t white) shows just how stunted we still are since 9/11. Our rights must be preserved for those who we deem least worth it because otherwise the temptation to compromise them when convenient will remain a spectre over everything. Remember ‘they came for the ____’? Yeah, that. Think about how it might be on the other side of things, if you’re erroneously accused of terrorism.

This goddamn temptation to shuck our humanity simply because someone seems obviously guilty will always eventually damn someone who got the raw deal instead of being actually ‘obviously guilty.’ But I forget, empathy is a sin in politics, and all those calling for no mercy are perfect fucking angels that would NEVER end up on the wrong side of the law ever…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:43:11pm

Somewhere along the way I finally broke 10K karma. Probably about a few days ago I’d imagine.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:43:33pm

re: #267 Shiplord Kirel

I realize that journalistic malpractice and aggravated ignorance are not crimes but, hey, making them crimes would require legislation (including constitutional amemdments) and legislation itself is a form of the due process to which the offenders may not be entitled.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:44:45pm

re: #281 goddamnedfrank

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Ayep, I confronted a wingnut just yesterday with that reality and challenged her to name a white guy who conservatives had no problem calling at terrorist. Her response? “Tim McVeigh.” When I challenged her to name anybody in even the last five years, she went off on a tangent about Ruby Ridge and Waco.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:45:01pm

Alex Jones needs to be committed (a continuing series).

Alex Jones - Anti Angelina Jolie Rant

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:46:58pm

re: #268 De Kolta Chair

Late last week, some polls were leaning ever so slightly in Oatmeal Face’s direction, but the polls this week are reversed. Methinks the worst has elapsed, but of course be ever vigilant.

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She has to crush Trump in the debates. He just has to show up and stay on script. If she does I would think the polls will shift even more in her favor.

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BeachDem  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:46:59pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Great White Snark  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:48:02pm

re: #283 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Seeing how little the ideal of ‘innocent until proven guilty’ is cherished when convenient (and especially when the subject in question isn’t white) shows just how stunted we still are since 9/11. Our rights must be preserved for those who we deem least worth it because otherwise the temptation to compromise them when convenient will remain a spectre over everything. Remember ‘they came for the ____’? Yeah, that. Think about how it might be on the other side of things, if you’re erroneously accused of terrorism.

This goddamn temptation to shuck our humanity simply because someone seems obviously guilty will always eventually damn someone who got the raw deal instead of being actually ‘obviously guilty.’ But I forget, empathy is a sin in politics, and all those calling for no mercy are perfect fucking angels that would NEVER end up on the wrong side of the law ever…

CNN got the question inside out. It is not that the bomber deserves due process. It is that the nation deserves due process as a part of it’s foundation.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:51:02pm

re: #288 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

She has to crush Trump in the debates. He just has to show up and stay on script. If she does I would think the polls will shift even more in her favor.

Agreed, and the Dems have to to least win the Senate.

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BeachDem  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:51:10pm

re: #285 Shiplord Kirel

I realize that journalistic malpractice and aggravated ignorance are not crimes but, hey, making them crimes would require legislation (including constitutional amemdments) and legislation itself is a form of the due process to which the offenders may not be entitled.

Well Trump is trying to make “irresponsble intent” a thing. (Like “fetch,” it ain’t gonna happen.)

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:54:07pm

re: #290 Great White Snark

CNN got the question inside out. It is not that the bomber deserves due process. It is that the nation deserves due process as a part of it’s foundation.

We’re here because the “just asking questions” media already made it perfectly okay to question if we really had to grant constitutional protections to foreigners we accused of being terrorists. Once we decided we could strip those rights from some, it was only inevitable that we’d start asking if we could do the same to American citizens.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:54:48pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:56:06pm

The US justice system has an astronomically better conviction rate than the military tribunals at Gitmo.
Which is pretty easy, since legally there has never been a conviction from the Gitmo tribunals. Every Gitmo conviction has been vacated after appeals.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:56:37pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s too early for the dead hooker stuff, save that for late October!

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2016 • 7:01:10pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yet all the ugly background that has been dug up about Drumpfskind and his campaign doesn’t seem to find a home in the American electorate, who appear to be too immune by now to any sort of revelation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2016 • 7:03:40pm
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stpaulbear  Sep 20, 2016 • 7:04:02pm

I think it was over the weekend that someone was asking for recommendations for close downticket races that they could donate to. I noticed that Balloon Juice has put together an ActBlue donation site for a list of candidates in close races. I do trust them to come up with a fair list. Here’s who they’re funding with their ActBlue site:

Senate:

Katie McGinty (PA)
Maggie Hassan (NH)
Catherine Cortez Masto (NV)
Deborah Ross (NC)
Jason Kander (MO)

House:

Morgan Carroll (CO-06)
Monica Vernon (IA-01)
Jim Mowrer (IA-03)
Angie Craig (MN-02)
Rep. Rick Nolan (MN-08)
Carol Shea-Porter (NH-01)
Jackie Rosen (NV-03)
Ruben Kihuen (NV-04)
Colleen Deacon (NY-24)
Steve Santarsiero (PA-08)
Tom Nelson (WI-08)

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stpaulbear  Sep 20, 2016 • 7:05:59pm

re: #288 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

She has to crush Trump in the debates. He just has to show up and stay on script. If she does I would think the polls will shift even more in her favor.

I hope she puts on her best ‘Bless his heart’ demeanor.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 20, 2016 • 7:06:23pm

re: #278 BeachDem

Tried to give CNN a quick look, and there, once again, was Andre “don’t feed strays and poor people because they’ll breed” Bauer, expounding and I said NOPE and switched to a cooking show.

Ugh—Andre Fucking Bauer—yeah, CNN certainly bent over backward to find some fine conservative commentators.

Below Deck for me. fuck the noise.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 20, 2016 • 7:09:59pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

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retired cynic  Sep 20, 2016 • 7:12:58pm

re: #300 stpaulbear

I hope she puts on her best ‘Bless his heart’ demeanor.

I just sent her some more money. Will try to do some to that list of close seats as well.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 20, 2016 • 7:20:56pm

re: #268 De Kolta Chair

Even with that, he is very much outside the average. Something is up/wrong with what he is doing.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 20, 2016 • 7:21:26pm

re: #271 EPR-radar

NYT includes a few of them too.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 20, 2016 • 7:23:35pm

Beach Dem - something for ya, bringing it upstairs.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 20, 2016 • 7:31:01pm

re: #296 teleskiguy

It’s too early for the dead hooker stuff, save that for late October!

There are a lot of very experienced political people in the DNC and the Clinton campaign. I know they’ve got a lot of material and we’re all very impatient to see them use it, but amateurs’ (like us) first instinct is always to shoot our load too early. I’m willing to accept that they know what they’re doing.

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Kragar  Sep 20, 2016 • 8:01:59pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

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