Video: Melania Trump Blames Access Hollywood Host Billy Bush for Her Husband’s Gross Misogynistic Comments

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In her first interview since the release of that devastating Access Hollywood video showing her husband making grotesque and insulting comments about women, Melania Trump excuses it as “boy talk” and says Trump “was led on — like, egg on — from the host to say dirty and bad stuff.”

Melania was clearly coached on how to spin this, and it’s such a Trumpian thing to blame his own horrible statements on someone else.

For reference, here’s the actual “hot mic” recording. Decide for yourself whether it seems like Billy Bush “egged on” Donald Trump to say these things. To me, it sounds like Trump was bragging to Bush about how he could dominate and abuse women at will, and I don’t hear Bush “egging him on” at all.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 3:39:52pm

Billy Bush invented the polyester leisure suit. /No_end_to_his_evil

RBS
since this thread started when I was posting this downstairs.

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Targetpractice  Oct 17, 2016 • 3:41:10pm

So Trump was pressured into saying that he’s a sexual predator, that he’s forced himself upon women and grabbed their genitals, but this is “boy talk”?

Good Dog, I didn’t think they could reach a new level of desperation but there it is.

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gocart mozart  Oct 17, 2016 • 3:42:01pm
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 17, 2016 • 3:42:04pm

The party of family values.
The party of personal responsibility.
The family of traditional marriage.

Yeah right.

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gocart mozart  Oct 17, 2016 • 3:42:39pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 3:43:08pm

I’m surprised Anderson didn’t ask when she was going to have her immigration press conference. Slipped his mind, I guess.

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Targetpractice  Oct 17, 2016 • 3:44:40pm

So another thing we’ve learned about Trump today: He gives in pretty easily to peer pressure. What, did he want Billy to think he was hip enough to hang out with the cool kids?

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 3:45:50pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

So Trump was pressured into saying that he’s a sexual predator, that he’s forced himself upon women and grabbed their genitals, but this is “boy talk”?

Good Dog, I didn’t think they could reach a new level of desperation but there it is.

Well, that fits, because NOTHING is ever Trump’s fault. That super alpha male Billy Bush made him do it.

I note the irony that Bush has already paid for his part in this, while the guy who did the bragging is still roaming around the china shop, upsetting tables and breaking things.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:04:19pm

“She’s an ENABLER!”

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gocart mozart  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:06:58pm

re: #9 GlutenFreeJesus

Don’t criticize Melania unless you have signed a prenup like hers.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:10:00pm

re: #5 gocart mozart

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Darth Vadar: North Carolina Bathroom Inspector. My how the Sith Lords have fallen.

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EmmaAnne  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:11:07pm

re: #10 gocart mozart

Don’t criticize Melania unless you have signed a prenup like hers.

You figure the prenup has a no-disparagement clause?

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petesh  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:11:35pm

Gotta feel sorta kinda sorry for her. She accepted life as the behind-the-scenes wife of a really rich old guy, and then what does he do? Faces her with the prospect of being First Lady! OMG WTF, holy prenup! I think she definitely counts as a civilian and should be treated gently. This interview was about as good as it’s going to get.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:11:57pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:12:53pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:14:10pm

re: #12 EmmaAnne

Sure why not. Maybe a “you do what I say or you get nothing” clause.

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(alpuz)  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:15:02pm

re: #15 gocart mozart

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Hey, WisGoP. You built that.

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:16:08pm

re: #13 petesh

Gotta feel sorta kinda sorry for her. She accepted life as the behind-the-scenes wife of a really rich old guy, and then what does he do? Faces her with the prospect of being First Lady! OMG WTF, holy prenup! I think she definitely counts as a civilian and should be treated gently. This interview was about as good as it’s going to get.

Nope, not at all. She was one of his mistresses while he cheated on his second wife, who cheated with him on his first wife.

She knew exactly what she was getting into and what kid of man she was getting into it with.

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gocart mozart  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:18:06pm
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Zorba  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:19:00pm

All I have to say is, Melania had better be careful. She’s in her 40’s (and has obviously already had plastic surgery and Botox). Donald likes them younger than that.

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wrenchwench  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:20:02pm

re: #20 Zorba

Welcome, hatchling.

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mmmirele  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:20:42pm

Melania, Melania, Melania…

Now I’ve got that out of the way, I guess I need to dig deep and find some pennies to throw at Ann Kirkpatrick, since John McCain has decided he’s not going to represent all of Arizona.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:20:50pm
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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:20:58pm

Women veterans make an advert why you should not vote for Donald Trump:

Blue Falcon | Vets Against Trump

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allegro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:21:13pm

So who was at fault all those other times? Whose hands took over his to assault all those women? Who chained him and dragged him into those dressing rooms and pinned his eyelids back to force him to ogle naked teenage girls?

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Bass Reeves  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:21:35pm

re: #18 Skip Intro

I absolutely agree, but I don’t think even Melania expected this. This campaign reminds me of Usain Bolt, where he broke records we expected to be broken, but earlier than we predicted. We all know Donald is a slimy dude, we just thought we had a handle on the bounds of his sliminess, and he exceeded them.

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Lidane  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:23:34pm

Shorter Melania: “The prenup is ironclad.”

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:23:54pm

Gee, what if tRump becomes POTUS and some tv host gets a hankering to nuke the Kremlin or something?
“I can so do that! Just watch!”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:24:43pm

re: #12 EmmaAnne

Considering the thin-skinned micro-dick that Trump is, I would bet there is something like that.

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wrenchwench  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:24:52pm

re: #25 allegro

So who was at fault all those other times? Whose hands took over his to assault all those women? Who chained him and dragged him into those dressing rooms and pinned his eyelids back to force him to ogle naked teenage girls?

Trump’s the perp, and he’s a major, major contributor to continuing the culture that devalues women.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:26:48pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:27:19pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Alone.

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allegro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:27:48pm

I have never seen lip filler that looks remotely natural.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:27:52pm

re: #24 Anymouse

I use the term “REMF” for people like Donald Trump.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:28:24pm

The party of personal responsibility strikes again.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:28:46pm

re: #20 Zorba

All I have to say is, Melania had better be careful. She’s in her 40’s (and has obviously already had plastic surgery and Botox). Donald likes them younger than that.

Welcome Hatchling! Its possible that Trump is no longer able to perform in bed, so maybe Melania is safe. Many people say so.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:30:07pm

Because what you really want is a president susceptible to the cunning mental machinations of the likes of Billy Bush.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:30:56pm

Re: Assange: I hope Ecuador kicks him out as soon as possible.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:31:07pm

Possibly the single most annoying campaign ad ever created.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:31:56pm
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allegro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:32:48pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Possibly the single most annoying campaign ad ever created.

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Just as juvenile as the rest of the campaign.

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:33:04pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anybody still feel sorry for her? Think we should back off and leave her alone?

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:33:09pm

re: #38 Nyet

What I love most is how Dkos now hates Assange. 2 years ago he was a fucking hero to most of them. Well, better late than never.

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Bass Reeves  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:33:23pm

re: #34 Romantic Heretic

Naw, REMF are actually in an echelon. Try ‘DAMF’?

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:33:59pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:34:10pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What’s really sad is that mental midgets like Billy Bush really could manipulate Trump if they wanted to. Look at how easily Putin does it.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:34:12pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

She is in it for money. (Why else would she have ugh married, ugh, Trump, ugh.) She’ll say anything.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:34:27pm

NY Daily News congratulates Planned Parenthood on one hundred years (birthday was yesterday), with all sorts of conservaderp in the comments about “killing black babies” (like conservatives give a damn about African-Americans of any age except when they fit the conservative narrative):

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:34:38pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

Strange, because her somewhat questionable immigration record indicates she asking to be deported back to Slovenia.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:34:57pm

re: #42 Skip Intro

Anybody still feel sorry for her? Think we should back off and leave her alone?

She’s not worth attacking; the real target is Trump, and he is one big, fat target.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:34:59pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:35:14pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart

Hopefully this doesn’t turnout like the last launch at that space station.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:35:51pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:37:01pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:37:03pm
“They started from the beginning of the campaign putting my picture from modeling days,” she added, accusing the Clinton campaign of disseminating her nude photos.

No, that was your husband and the NY Post, Fox News’ print partner. And were you still modeling when you posed nude while pregnant while your husband was talking about “grabbing women by the …”?

I’m so sick of these people. I just want to see Trump’s “empire” come crashing down in ruins after this.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:38:22pm

re: #42 Skip Intro

Anybody still feel sorry for her? Think we should back off and leave her alone?

Well, if she is saying that attacks on Bill Clinton are justified, then that opens her up to attacks as well.

Personally, I don’t think either should be fair game here, but if that’s the sort of thing she wants, then she’ll get it back (though not from Hillary Clinton or her official surrogates I suspect).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:39:44pm
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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:40:20pm

re: #42 Skip Intro

Anybody still feel sorry for her? Think we should back off and leave her alone?

No, she’s “asking for it”.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:40:26pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s used that before. Apparently it focus-tested well.

RBS

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BlueGrl21  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:40:34pm

So in other words, Melania has shown she has very bad judgement in her choice of a husband….and her decision to stand by him in the face of claims of affairs….

Wait.

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stpaulbear  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:40:59pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart

Boo!! They just kicked the launch out 5 minutes. I want it NOW!

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:41:23pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

Somebody buy the guy a dildo to make him happy.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:42:18pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:43:13pm

Latest polls have Clinton up by nine points nationally, and 538’s polls only model puts her at 49.9% of the vote, 7.2 points ahead of Trump. With three weeks of Trump’s antics to go, this could turn into a massive Democratic wave election. Those who worried that Trump might be a stronger general election candidate than Cruz need not have been concerned. As awful as Cruz is, he would not have amateurishly blundered from disaster to disaster the way Trump has.

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scottslemmons  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:45:38pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

Still got a week before I can get my early voting done, grrarr, grrarr, snarl, tired of waiting…

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austin_blue  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:45:41pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart

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Thirty seconds to launch!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:45:44pm

trump yelling “get him out!” but:

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:46:01pm

re: #56 Anymouse

I’m just really pissed off today. It started with that asshole McCain saying his party is going to block all SC nominations until a Republican is elected president.

These people hate everything about this country when they aren’t in charge of it, and when they are they leave us with a financial collapse, a real estate collapse, two wars and a destabilized Middle East.

Then they blame us for it while the media sits by saying “hm, they do have a point Wolf”.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:46:38pm

lolwut


He’s a guest. He doesn’t have a right to the internet.
And maybe Eddie should tell that to Putin…
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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:46:41pm

re: #58 Nyet

No, she’s “asking for it”.

In the same way that Jr. and Eric are “asking for it”.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:48:00pm

Mr. Johnson gets a mention over at Wonkette for his story here about the “postal worker” who claimed on Twitter he was ripping up mail ballots for Donald Trump:

wonkette.com

Now, fun’s fun, but as Friend of Wonkette Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs points out, there is a downside to all the silliness:

And if you really want to either laugh or get depressed (depending how you look at it), check out this Google search to see how this totally bogus story spread throughout the right wing blogs and media. This means we’re going to be hearing about it forever as a “fact” now.

If Donald Trump mentions this one in a speech, or in Wednesday’s debate, everybody must drink.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:48:17pm

re: #70 Skip Intro

The whole mutant family is “asking for it”.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:48:32pm

re: #64 Big Beautiful Door

Latest polls have Clinton up by nine points nationally, and 538’s polls only model puts her at 49.9% of the vote, 7.2 points ahead of Trump. With three weeks of Trump’s antics to go, this could turn into a massive Democratic wave election. Those who worried that Trump might be a stronger general election candidate than Cruz need not have been concerned. As awful as Cruz is, he would not have amateurishly blundered from disaster to disaster the way Trump has.

This is Trumps master plan you see. It will lull the dimocrats into a false sense of security, they won’t show up to vote figuring that they have already won, and we will ride into victory. He’s playing 3 dimensional chess and Shillary is playing tic-tac-toe. Once you correctly unskew the polls, he’s up +8 easy.

Believe it or not, I’ve seen posting not unlike that.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:48:36pm

re: #65 scottslemmons

Still got a week before I can get my early voting done, grrarr, grrarr, snarl, tired of waiting…

I haven’t received my ballot in the mail yet. The primary one seemed late too. But it arrived finally.

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allegro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:48:39pm

re: #69 Nyet

lolwut

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He’s a guest. He doesn’t have a right to the internet.
And maybe Eddie should tell that to Putin…

How dare they censor his child porn and sexual corruption of a child!

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Timothy Watson  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:48:40pm

re: #71 Anymouse

Mr. Johnson gets a mention over at Wonkette for his story here about the “postal worker” who claimed on Twitter he was ripping up mail ballots for Donald Trump:

wonkette.com

!!!

I want to be a friend of Wonkette too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:48:47pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:48:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:49:40pm

jeebus

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:50:20pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

It could be that Fox News’ quota of stupid has already been filled for the month.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:51:08pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

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it’s sort of like a hooker saying “Naw, I won’t do you no matter what you pay me.”

RBS

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plansbandc  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:51:11pm

re: #80 Skip Intro

I didn’t know that was possible!

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:51:26pm

re: #75 allegro

How dare they censor his child porn and sexual corruption of a child!

Well, I don’t know about that, I’ll wait for a less sketchy source (like the Royal Bahamas police). 48 hours rule and all that.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:52:42pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

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I assume they are vetting his video?

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:52:57pm

re: #73 Reality Based Steve

This is Trumps master plan you see. It will lull the dimocrats into a false sense of security, they won’t show up to vote figuring that they have already won, and we will ride into victory. He’s playing 3 dimensional chess and Shillary is playing tic-tac-toe. Once you correctly unskew the polls, he’s up +8 easy.

Believe it or not, I’ve seen posting not unlike that.

Oh, I believe it. saw a lot like that in 2012. Where is Dick Morris to predict a crushing landslide Trump victory?

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:53:31pm

I’ve noticed that in all of the Trump/Melania pics I’ve seen, she’s the one attractive woman he has no problems keeping his hands off of.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:53:37pm
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allegro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:53:40pm

re: #83 Nyet

Well, I don’t know about that, I’ll wait for a less sketchy source (like the Royal Bahamas police). 48 hours rule and all that.

Feel free to wait. I don’t give rapists much quarter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:54:00pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:54:08pm

re: #82 plansbandc

I didn’t know that was possible!

Hannity all by himself uses up 50% of it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:55:11pm

re: #80 Skip Intro

It could be that Fox News’ quota of stupid has already been filled for the month.

Is that possible?

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:55:39pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those people have guts. I hope they’re able to get out of the building with them still inside of their bodies.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:56:32pm

re: #88 allegro

Feel free to wait. I don’t give rapists much quarter.

Cool. We don’t know that Assange is a rapist of course, but even if he were, that wouldn’t change the sketchiness the source. Feel free to believe everything you read online though.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:56:46pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea

I assume they are vetting his video?

I forgot what a dry sense of humor you had.

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:57:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:58:21pm
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allegro  Oct 17, 2016 • 4:58:27pm

re: #93 Nyet

Cool. We don’t know that Assange is a rapist of course, but even if he were, that wouldn’t change the sketchiness the source. Feel free to believe everything you read online though.

Why has he been cloistered in the embassy for 4 years? Oh yeah… that thing.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:00:09pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea

I assume they are vetting his video?

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Kragar  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:00:40pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:02:31pm

Trump has one thing going for him in Green Bay: built in cheesehead.

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stpaulbear  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:02:33pm

Early voting has been going on for a while in St. Paul, but I want to do it in person and the early voting hours are exactly the same as my work hours. I’ll either do it over lunch or else wait until the week starting October 31 when they extend the hours until 7:00pm.

Or else I’ll do it like every other time I’ve ever voted and wait until Election Day. There’s something pretty electric about going to vote before work. It’s an easy process in MN. Just sign the book and go vote. We don’t have to show ID if we’re already registered, and MN has same-day registration at the polls. I had to have a neighbor vouch for me after one move, but even that went easy. No hassles.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:03:36pm

So in North Carolina, a county Democratic office was vandalised with “Death to Capitalism” painted there.

Anyone know where Dr. Jill Stein was?

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:03:47pm

re: #100 wrenchwench

Trump has one thing going for him in Green Bay: built in cheesehead.

Green Bay has real cheese. Trump is the kind of cheese spelled with a “Z” and that comes in a spray can.

RBS

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:04:36pm

re: #97 allegro

Why has he been cloistered in the embassy for 4 years? Oh yeah… that thing.

Because Sweden refused to guarantee his non-extradition to the USA?

Assange has said he would go to Sweden if provided with a diplomatic guarantee that he would not be turned over to the United States,[64] to which the Swedish foreign ministry stated that Sweden’s legislation does not allow any judicial decision like extradition to be predetermined.[65] However, the Swedish government is free to reject extradition requests from non-EU countries, independent of any court decision.[66]

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:05:00pm

Slate has a new game, “Is there any candidate so bad that you would vote for Trump for president instead? ” Our first contestant is Dick Cheney!

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:05:06pm
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petesh  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:05:59pm

re: #42 Skip Intro

Anybody still feel sorry for her? Think we should back off and leave her alone?

Don’t be distracted. Focus on the big fat target. In my own defense, I said “sorta kinda sorry” — she’s a gold-digger who found herself in a different deal than she signed up for. But that’s our Donald; his deals are never what they seem.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:06:08pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sure, bring torches and pitchforks to a firefight.

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:06:21pm

Billy Bush is officially out at NBC over taped sex talk with Donald Trump

So we have higher standards of behavior for a tv host than a presidential candidate.

What a great country.

latimes.com

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:06:43pm

Melania with a weird smile saying “boys talk”

pitiful.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:08:37pm

re: #73 Reality Based Steve

Can Trump even spell ‘dimensional’?

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stpaulbear  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:08:55pm

Is Trump going to have 10 more rallies in WI before the election so that he can keep sticking it to Paul Ryan?

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Bass Reeves  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:09:06pm

re: #104 Nyet

I agree with you on the 48 hour rule, but it’s kind of hard for me to accept extradition as a real worry if the US hasn’t charged him with anything. He’s hiding from a rape charge, straight up.

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MsJ  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:09:37pm

re: #62 Nyet

Hey, did you see this? What say you? (This is from the last thread.)

re: #46 gocart mozart

Is this verified?

(See the tweet at the comment link 46)

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:10:07pm

I reluctantly voted Dick Cheney; I was torn between darkly brilliant evil and blundering, racist evil. I voted for Cheney as the candidate less likely to initiate pogroms in the U.S.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:10:16pm

somebody at the Green Bay rally waving a sign saying “Paul Ryan TRADER!”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:11:20pm

Melania is also saying it’s left wing media that released the tape of her pig of a husband and Billy Bush.

Yeah. She just made herself a part of the campaign.

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lockjawcanbefun  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:11:34pm

This audience at the Trump rally in Green Bay is some sort of strange meld of an ECW audience, an Arsenio audience and The Running Man.

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:12:06pm
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jaunte  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:12:18pm

re: #42 Skip Intro

Anybody still feel sorry for her? Think we should back off and leave her alone?

The whole family is a bunch of whiners.

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:12:36pm

re: #117 GlutenFreeJesus

Melania is also saying it’s left wing media that released the tape of her pig of a husband and Billy Bush.

Yeah. She just made herself a part of the campaign.

Bigly.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:12:36pm

I have an excellent novel to recommend for fans of Stephen King and Joe Hill:

The Ballad of Black Tom by Victor LaValle. An excellent fresh take on the Lovecraft mythos, told from the viewpoint of an African American.

The Kindle version is only $2.99 at Amazon right now.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:13:19pm

re: #113 Bass Reeves

I agree with you on the 48 hour rule, but it’s kind of hard for me to accept extradition as a real worry if the US hasn’t charged him with anything. He’s hiding from a rape charge, straight up.

Do you believe the US won’t try to get him the moment he leaves the embassy?

As for what he is hiding from would be very easy to test: the Swedish govt should guarantee non-extradition and see if Assange keeps his word. Until then the point is moot.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:13:42pm

re: #114 MsJ

I’ll take a look.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:14:02pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Thanks!

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:15:18pm

re: #105 Big Beautiful Door

Slate has a new game, “Is there any candidate so bad that you would vote for Trump for president instead? ” Our first contestant is Dick Cheney!

If those were the only choices I’d opt for eating the business end of a shotgun. At that point the world is doomed and all we can hope for is a quick, painless death. /sorta

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Dr. Matt  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:17:00pm
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MsJ  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:18:14pm

re: #110 Stanley Sea

Melania with a weird smile saying “boys talk”

pitiful.

Imagine, if you will, what Trump says to her directly.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:18:17pm

And of course

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:18:54pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:20:45pm

What is the exact quote of her response to Anderson Cooper reading FLOTUS comments? Find it internet.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:22:20pm

re: #114 MsJ

There is nothing in the screenshot to tie it to Trump. Yes, it’s called “Tramp”, the way the name would be written in Russian, but otherwise nothing. A search shows the company was liquidated in 2007. It’s not even clear what it did. Unless there’s more info that actually ties it to him, it’s a dud. Moreover, it’s just 1 company.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:22:34pm
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b.d.  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:23:10pm

Dammit!!!!

I just threw away my Bush’s Fault! t-shirt!

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:23:26pm

re: #105 Big Beautiful Door

Slate has a new game, “Is there any candidate so bad that you would vote for Trump for president instead? ” Our first contestant is Dick Cheney!

Charles Manson is the only living US no-brainer that comes to mind.

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lockjawcanbefun  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:23:58pm

re: #135 EPR-radar

Charlie has shown leadership skills in the past.

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MsJ  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:24:56pm

re: #132 Nyet

There is nothing in the screenshot to tie it to Trump. Yes, it’s called “Tramp”, the way the name would be written in Russian, but otherwise nothing. A search shows the company was liquidated in 2007. It’s not even clear what it did. Unless there’s more info that actually ties it to him, it’s a dud. Moreover, it’s just 1 company.

Thanks. A bunch of us were curious.

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kirkspencer  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:25:13pm

re: #126 Romantic Heretic

If those were the only choices I’d opt for eating the business end of a shotgun. At that point the world is doomed and all we can hope for is a quick, painless death. /sorta

Eh, it could be worse.
Consider for round two: Luap Nor

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:25:33pm

The audience for this Trump rally in Green Bay sounds like a real bunch of angry, yelling whack jobs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:25:34pm

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — Donald Trump and his key advisors have raised doubts not just about Hillary Clinton but about the integrity of the election itself.

“You want me to tell you I think the election in Philadelphia and Chicago are going to be fair. I would have to be a moron to say that. I mean, I would have to dislearn everything I’ve learned in 40 years of being a prosecutor,” Rudy Giulliani said.

Monday, Allegheny county’s chief prosecutor — District Attorney Stephen Zappala — issued a statement, calling such language: “Unsubstantiated and reckless political rhetoric.”

“With respect to Allegheny County and the City of Pittsburgh, there is absolutely no evidence that has been presented as of this date that there will be any type of voter fraud in our jurisdiction, let alone systemic voter fraud or rigged polling places,” he wrote.

“We’ve been running elections here for years and there’s very minuscule evidence of voter fraud,” County Executive Rich Fitzgerald said.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:26:51pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

The audience for this Trump rally in Green Bay sounds like a real bunch of angry, yelling whack jobs.

What decent human being would want to go to a Trump rally?

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Kragar  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:27:12pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:27:20pm

re: #136 lockjawcanbefun

Charlie has shown leadership skills in the past.

Trump has certain practical skills relating to grifting and swindling others.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:28:31pm

OK, there’s this sketchy website:

occupydemocrats.com

It links to a EGRYuL record for OOO TRAMP:

Donald Trump is, of course, not among the persons owning this firm.

Moreover, it’s 1 firm, not 249 as the article claims.

Smells like a false flag.

But since we know Trump is a sexual predator, I guess we should give him no quarter and should run with it. /

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:31:08pm

re: #62 Nyet

Somebody buy the guy a dildo to make him happy.

I suggest inscribing his dildo with “Trump” or “Daddy”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:31:28pm
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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:31:47pm

re: #144 Nyet

This database says OOO Tramp had something to do with СЕЛЬСКОЕ ХОЗЯЙСТВО, ОХОТА И ЛЕСНОЕ ХОЗЯЙСТВО - agriculture, hunting and forestry.

legalentities.ru

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:32:54pm

re: #147 Nyet

Seems like something a Russian troll would plant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:33:11pm

Meanwhile, back at the Bundy trials:

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:33:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:34:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:34:22pm

re: #144 Nyet

OK, there’s this sketchy website:

occupydemocrats.com

It links to a EGRYuL record for OOO TRAMP:

[Embedded content]

Donald Trump is, of course, not among the persons owning this firm.

Moreover, it’s 1 firm, not 249 as the article claims.

Smells like a false flag.

But since we know Trump is a sexual predator, I guess we should give him no quarter and should run with it. /

Thanks. Looks like I was right to be skeptical about this.

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:34:50pm

re: #144 Nyet

We were hoping you’d take a look at it.

The exact contents of the documents are difficult to ascertain as of yet, as they are in Cyrillic, but Trump’s name - ТРАМП - is all over them. Blogger @Mortis_Banned warns that many of the companies do not list Donald Trump as its founder and many of them were terminated several years ago - but the questions remain. Given Donald Trump’s rampant disregard for financial rules here in the United States and given the utter absence of enforcement of such types of rules in the notoriously corrupt Russian Federation, it wouldn’t be surprising for Trump to have cloaked his involvement in Russian business one way or another.

They’re not even sure there’s anything there, but ТРАМП must obviously mean Trump, I guess.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:34:50pm

I guess that means she takes away his phone.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:34:51pm

re: #144 Nyet

OK, there’s this sketchy website:

occupydemocrats.com

It links to a EGRYuL record for OOO TRAMP:

[Embedded content]

Donald Trump is, of course, not among the persons owning this firm.

Moreover, it’s 1 firm, not 249 as the article claims.

Smells like a false flag.

But since we know Trump is a sexual predator, I guess we should give him no quarter and should run with it. /

Thanks, I was looking for you in the last thread when that first got posted.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:35:18pm

I just noticed. On 538, Johnson is slipping below 6% nationally.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:35:52pm

ТРАМП! ТРАМП! ТРАМП!
The boys are marching!

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b_sharp  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:35:54pm

re: #144 Nyet

OK, there’s this sketchy website:

occupydemocrats.com

It links to a EGRYuL record for OOO TRAMP:

[Embedded content]

Donald Trump is, of course, not among the persons owning this firm.

Moreover, it’s 1 firm, not 249 as the article claims.

Smells like a false flag.

But since we know Trump is a sexual predator, I guess we should give him no quarter and should run with it. /

He does enough crap on his own, no need to make shit up to pillory him.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:36:02pm

1ykJjVDUyRhR5S11RtI3V2ZOO07gc7Otznu0rAEl63NWbhfeKTSOcRRKtNb4QGyZH8rScvDCi6GR6rlOAWMfccH3R/+4u+l/nN+8d/UtpLnUjBDgyM6SmI1vzH8fgJ5iQjIC9V0cONEDaUdUGfYUsgR1f+FQoPhDKqhDSW82Uro=

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:36:10pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh for pete’s sake shut up Rudy. You are trying to create an air of uncertainty by making those statements that the uncouth one wants you to do. And you are picking on two large cities who’s populations are predominately Democratic. I know here in Philly Democrats out number Republicans 5 to 1. So for everyone’s peace of mind just put a cork in it.

Sorry about the rant but the uncouth one is over reaching.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:36:37pm

re: #156 Ziggy_TARDIS

I just noticed. On 538, Johnson is slipping below 6% nationally.

There’s apparently a limit to how clueless you can be, if you’re not also loud and belligerent.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:38:11pm

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

Others has fallen to 1.5%.

It does look like my generation has started to think.

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Dr. Lexus  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:38:27pm

Conservatives never take responsibly for themselves, why should they start now?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:38:55pm

re: #148 Nyet

Seems like something a Russian troll would plant.

You should write up your findings in a Page. This is all over Twitter and if it’s FSB disinformation it would be good to debunk it publicly.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:40:11pm

re: #153 Belafon

I’m not sure where the supposed list is - all I see is a document about one single firm.

Yes, Трамп is how Trump is spelled in Russian, but it doesn’t mean that the company was named after Trump. Many Russian firms have nonsensical but “good-sounding” names. The troll had no trouble finding one sounding like Trump’s name.

Here are two other firms called Трамп - that have nothing to do with Trump.

ruretail.ru
trampltd.ru

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:40:25pm

re: #160 PhillyPretzel

Oh for pete’s sake shut up Rudy. You are trying to create an air of uncertainty by making those statements that the uncouth one wants you to do. And you are picking on two large cities who’s populations are predominately Democratic. I know here in Philly Democrats out number Republicans 5 to 1. So for everyone’s peace of mind just put a cork in it.

Sorry about the rant but the uncouth one is over reaching.

He has no reason to put a cork in it: The goal now is to delegitimise the democratic voting process itself. The campaign has become a fully-fascist operation.

A red precinct such as mine turning in an overwhelming majority of votes for Mr. Trump would be accepted without question, precincts in Pittsburgh that turn in overwhelming majorities for Mrs. Clinton are from the “wrong people” and therefore illegitimate.

This is looking more and more to me like an attempt to discredit the outcome of a fair election (which has not gone well for other countries where the same has happened).

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:41:46pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

“Show me on the doll where Trump touched you…”

Perhaps one of the younger kids can helpfully vomit on Mr. Trump. Or worse.

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Bass Reeves  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:42:16pm

re: #123 Nyet

Do you believe the US won’t try to get him the moment he leaves the embassy?

As for what he is hiding from would be very easy to test: the Swedish govt should guarantee non-extradition and see if Assange keeps his word. Until then the point is moot.

Do I believe that in 2012 when he applied for and received asylum that the US would try to get him the moment he left the embassy, no. Because at that point we don’t need anything from him concerning his sources. Do I think in 2015 that the US would try to get him? No, because there is no determination of collusion with Russian intelligence. Do I think TODAY we would try to get him? I’d hope so, but I notice that in the five years since he got big, we still haven’t filed anything against him. I absolutely don’t think he has a legitimate fear of the death penalty.

Also, Sweden itself has said their law doesn’t allow them to predetermine extradition. So, no, I don’t think it reasonable to allow concessions to him in that situation, if that concession is to rewrite Swedish law over a single case based on a request that hasn’t been filed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:42:31pm
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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:45:01pm

re: #168 Bass Reeves

Do I believe that in 2011 when he applied for and received asylum that the US would try to get him the moment he left the embassy, no. Because at that point we don’t need anything from him concerning his sources. Do I think in 2015 that the US would try to get him? No, because there is no determination of collusion with Russian intelligence. Do I think TODAY we would try to get him? I’d hope so, but I notice that in the five years since he got big, we still haven’t filed anything against him. I absolutely don’t think he has a legitimate fear of the death penalty.

Also, Sweden itself has said their law doesn’t allow them to predetermine extradition. So, no, I don’t think it reasonable to allow concessions to him in that situation, if that concession is to rewrite Swedish law over a single case based on a request that hasn’t been filed.

Swedish and EU laws also prohibit extradition to any nation seeking someone for a death penalty offence. If the USA were to file charges of espionage, they would not extradite because espionage carries the death penalty here.

Assange is blowing smoke to avoid Maryanne Nye questioning him about the rape allegations in Sweden, and has convinced his supporters the USA is out to get him. That’s it.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:45:21pm

What I would love to see happen at the final debate, assuming Hair Furor shows up:

If he starts his sniffling bit, they should take a 5 minute break, bring out phlebotomists and draw blood from both candidates, and there will be a mini-lab onsite to do a rapid test to see if any illicit substances are in either candidates blood, since Trump made the accusation that Clinton was on drugs. Of course, this would have to be totally a surprise to all parties-Clinton would in all likelihood agree, Trump, if he was snowblowing, would absolutely refuse-at which point, it would be game over.

Yeah, I know I’m dreaming, but still……

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:45:53pm
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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:47:10pm

re: #168 Bass Reeves

That wouldn’t be rewriting the law:

The Government can, however, refuse extradition even if the Supreme Court has not declared against extradition, as the law states that if certain conditions are fulfilled, a person “may” be extradited - not “shall” be extradited.

In any case, when there is no guarantee of non-extradition (whether provided for by the law or not), the point is automatically moot.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:48:27pm

OK, I found the list:

docs.google.com

They just list all the companies that have “Трамп” in their name without any evidence these companies have anything to do with Trump.

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:51:34pm

An OT bit of entertainment. The odious Mike Pence has a new nickname on the internet, courtesy of Driftglass:

“Christian Pharisee Power Bottom”

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:51:50pm
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Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:52:12pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

After posting my Trump sticker with that phrase on Facebook, one wiseass suggested “Ein Trump, Ein Trump, Ein Trump!”

OK

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LastYearsMan  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:52:37pm

re: #62 Nyet

Somebody buy the guy a dildo to make him happy.

Wow, you’ve really got him pegged…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:52:50pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:53:09pm
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b.d.  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:54:34pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:55:37pm

Bipartisan Report is a crappy click-bait site. Not fake news exactly, but exaggerated and distorted news definitely, geared toward liberal confirmation bias.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:55:53pm

Trump told Savage that he believes he’s actually ahead in the polls, which show him trailing Clinton, and cited “tremendous enthusiasm” and crowd sizes at his rallies as evidence.”

That almost certainly means he’s getting the same info from his internal polls that we’re seeing in the public polls, or maybe worse. He’d be talking about the internals otherwise.

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Bass Reeves  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:56:54pm

re: #173 Nyet

That wouldn’t be rewriting the law:

In any case, when there is no guarantee of non-extradition (whether provided for by the law or not), the point is automatically moot.

No, this isn’t even a question of semantics. The government can deny requests for extradition. The government cannot deny requests for extradition before those requests are made. The government can also override the court’s decision to extradite.

Assange is hiding to avoid a rape charge, it has nothing to do with the US. He managed to hide long enough for the statute of limitations to expire on some of the charges, and I find it more likely he hoped to stay in the Embassy until Sweden got tired.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:57:19pm

re: #159 Timothy Watson

[Embedded content]

That sounds real.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:57:32pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Bipartisan Report is a crappy click-bait site. Not fake news exactly, but exaggerated and distorted news definitely, geared toward liberal confirmation bias.

But…but…they have all those great clickbait links with pictures of girls with big boobs, and pictures of odd fruits that promise if I eat this it will kill my blood pressure! They MUST be legit!
//////

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Interesting Times  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:57:48pm

re: #174 Nyet

On a happier note, remember how when HRC first picked Tim Kaine, you weren’t so thrilled about it? If you have any lingering misgivings, this should put them to rest once and for all :)

Tim Kaine Will Keep Fighting to Limit War Powers, and More From Our 1-on-1 Interview

Highly recommend reading the whole thing - it’s an example of something that’s practically gone extinct this election season (i.e. a detailed, in-depth interview with thoughtful and intelligent questions related to policy)

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:58:00pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Bipartisan Report is a crappy click-bait site. Not fake news exactly, but exaggerated and distorted news definitely, geared toward liberal confirmation bias.

Just say no to news aggregators!

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Oct 17, 2016 • 5:59:36pm

re: #35 Nyet

The party of personal responsibility strikes again.

That ship sailed a long time ago. They don’t even pretend anymore on that one. Other whopper claims to fame include:

They party Family Values. (No comment necessary)

The party of the Constitution. (Meaning the 2nd Amendment only)

The Party of Reagan (that doddering pretend cowboy wouldn’t recognize the insane conspiracy-fest Trumpy dominating the GOP now)

The Party of Lincoln. (According to their recent memes, that racist who had the nerve to free all those slaves who really wanted to stay on the plantation where they were naturally better off.)

The Party of Responsible Economics (see Kansas for a barrel full of laughs)

The Party that is not Racist (keeling over in a fit of laughter/puking witnessing KKK after Hammerskins reps coming out backing Trump)

…. I could go on, but why bother?

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:00:31pm

re: #178 LastYearsMan

Wow, you’ve really got him pegged…

That made me laugh my latte up my nose.

RBS

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:03:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:04:51pm

dammit

CINCINNATI (WKRC) - Shots were fired on campus at the University of Cincinnati Monday, October 17.

Police confirmed shots were fired at or near a student. Officials said they were actively searching for the shooter in the hallways of a dorm on campus.

Students were told to stay where they are, lock the doors, and stay away from windows.

Local 12 News is on the scene and will have updates as they become available.

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:05:25pm

re: #189 Rocky-in-Connecticut

It really is remarkable just how shitty the Republican party is. Presently its effect on American politics is 99+% destructive, with no significant positive achievements at either the state or federal level to offset the destruction.

It seems likely that the best remaining Republican elected official in the US is some commissioner for a county of a few hundred that hasn’t acted on Party instructions to starve granny etc.

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Archangelus  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:05:46pm

Welp, this looks good:

And yes, i know it’s the now-cast model but it’s nearly the same as the polls-plus model - just dipping into single-digit numbers for tRump - and when compared with electoral-vote.com’s model, it’s actually the weaker Hillary result:

Have to say that seeing Texas go to “barely Republican” in the EV analysis is as pleasing as it is astounding (in that the GOP may actually lose the state in THIS election courtesy of Candidate McRoadkillHair).

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bratwurst  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:05:49pm

Apparently, it is now a plank in the GOP platform that the POTUS has to be acceptable to Russia.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:08:52pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:09:33pm

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:09:39pm

re: #194 Archangelus

Welp, this looks good:

[Embedded content]

Have to say that seeing Texas go to “barely Republican” in the EV analysis is as pleasing as it is astounding (in that the GOP may actually lose the state in THIS election courtesy of Candidate McRoadkillHair).

But look at how much of the map is RED!!!!! That’s proof that Trump is leading.

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:10:36pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:10:44pm

re: #196 Charles Johnson

Justified Hitler-Trump comparisons have become business as usual.

Thanks a lot, GOP. You built this shit show.

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KGxvi  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:11:04pm

re: #194 Archangelus

Welp this looks good:

[Embedded content]

Have to say that seeing Texas go to “barely Republican” in the EV analysis is as pleasing as it is astounding (in that the GOP may actually lose the state in THIS election courtesy of Candidate McRoadkillHair).

Apparently Clinton is dedicating resources to Arizona and Georgia with the intent orb not only winning the electoral votes but to help on down ballot races. This is going to be (thankfully*) a rout at the presidential level, but I think the Senate and House might just get a bit interesting

*I say “thankfully” not because I am much of a Clinton supporter, but because Trump represents something’s very dangerous that needs to be defeated soundly

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:11:21pm

re: #180 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Looks like the NRSC was hacked but not to expose emails…

I don’t care whether it is the Democrats or the Republicans, such actions should be treated as the sort of cybercrime they are. By the way, the NRSC funds were redirected to .su domains according to the video in the article (which shows how it is done). .su is the top-level domain for the Soviet Union (which only existed for a short time after the World Wide Web became active). All .su domains are under control of the Russian government.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:11:58pm

re: #198 Reality Based Steve

Thankfully, land can’t vote.

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:12:03pm

re: #194 Archangelus

If Clinton were to win Texas, the state would immediately turn red again from all of us Democrats here dying of heart attacks.

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scottslemmons  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:12:35pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

I have an excellent novel to recommend for fans of Stephen King and Joe Hill:

The Ballad of Black Tom by Victor LaValle. An excellent fresh take on the Lovecraft mythos, told from the viewpoint of an African American.

The Kindle version is only $2.99 at Amazon right now.

GOD YES.

I read this a few months ago. It’s an amazing book. Takes Lovecraft’s most noxiously racist story, turns it on its ear, and comes up with a fantastic, fantastic story. It’s a solid winner, and I recommend it one billion percent. :)

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:12:35pm

re: #186 Blind Frog Belly White

But…but…they have all those great clickbait links with pictures of girls with big boobs, and pictures of odd fruits that promise if I eat this it will kill my blood pressure! They MUST be legit!
//////

Those adverts appear here too… .

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:13:15pm

re: #204 Belafon

If Clinton were to win Texas, the state would immediately turn red again from all of us Democrats here dying of heart attacks.

That’s not so clear, since you’d also have wingnuts dropping like flies from stroke and heart attack.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:13:44pm

re: #204 Belafon

I dispute this.

It would become stably Blue, as the Republicans, who are mostly older, start having heart attacks.

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Lidane  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:14:12pm

“IT’S ALL RIGGED!”

So apparently, James O’Keefe claimed to have proof that the DNC and the Clinton campaign had planted violent protesters at Trump rallies. And of course, Breitbart is running a bunch of screaming headlines about it, since they’re an impartial source and all.

Turns out that even Fox News isn’t buying what the fake pimp is selling:

O’Keefe’s post has apparently been pulled from Reddit as well. The Trumpkins are in predictable meltdown mode.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:14:58pm

re: #186 Blind Frog Belly White

But…but…they have all those great clickbait links with pictures of girls with big boobs, and pictures of odd fruits that promise if I eat this it will kill my blood pressure! They MUST be legit!
//////

My problem is that the girls with the big boobs is what’s raising my blood pressure. /s

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:16:00pm

re: #198 Reality Based Steve

So glad to see you back Steve.

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steve_davis  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:16:05pm

re: #43 Nyet

What I love most is how Dkos now hates Assange. 2 years ago he was a fucking hero to most of them. Well, better late than never.

I had to self-ban myself at Dkos something like 6 years ago. Anti-semitism was running so rampant in the comments that even the moderators were trying to tamp it down, with no success.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:16:26pm

re: #212 steve_davis

They have cleaned up.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:18:05pm

re: #212 steve_davis

I had to self-ban myself at Dkos something like 6 years ago. Anti-semitism was running so rampant in the comments that even the moderators were trying to tamp it down, with no success.

It’s really not hard to stop antisemites and racists from taking over a comment section. This is a myth. You just have to want to do it, and follow through with action.

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philosophus invidius  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:18:11pm

re: #117 GlutenFreeJesus

Melania also said that Julia Ioffe ‘provoked’ anti-Semitic death threats.

haaretz.com

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:21:45pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

It’s really not hard to stop antisemites and racists from taking over a comment section. This is a myth. You just have to want to do it, and follow through with action.

As far as I know, dKos still relies on community moderation. It works poorly at best, and fails miserably every 4 years in (D) primary season.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:23:03pm
Donald Trump’s campaign manager Kellyanne Conway said Monday that should the Republican presidential nominee lose he would accept the results of the election only if there was no “overwhelming evidence” of fraud.

“Mr. Trump would, if there’s absent overwhelming evidence of any kind of fraud or irregularities,” Conway told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on the “Situation Room.” More Here

Not only does he claim the election is going to be rigged, his own criteria for accepting it’s not rigged is rigged.

RBS

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:24:23pm

As they damn well should

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:26:20pm

Correct me if I am wrong, but there is not any law that prevents redistricting at times other than after the census, correct.

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Archangelus  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:26:32pm

re: #204 Belafon

If Clinton were to win Texas, the state would immediately turn red again from all of us Democrats here dying of heart attacks.

Well, seeing how in this scenario all of the state’s Republicans would likely suffer simultaneous strokes within seconds of the news being reported, we’d only need a handful of the Dem heart attack sufferers to survive to keep the country blue.. //

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:28:54pm

re: #220 Archangelus

Well, seeing how in this scenario all of the state’s Republicans would likely suffer simultaneous strokes within seconds of the news being reported, we’d only need a handful of the Dem heart attack sufferers to survive to keep the country blue.. //

Gentlemen, we can not suffer from a Heart Attack Gap.

RBS

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:29:25pm

re: #217 Reality Based Steve

Not only does he claim the election is going to be rigged, his own criteria for accepting it’s not rigged is rigged.

RBS

Mighty big of you, Kellyanne.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:29:45pm

re: #1 Reality Based Steve

and I’ll upding it in both threads just cuz I’m happy to see you back.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:30:00pm

re: #220 Archangelus

On the bright side, more room for refugees!

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Decatur Deb  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:30:13pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

It’s really not hard to stop antisemites and racists from taking over a comment section. This is a myth. You just have to want to do it, and follow through with action.

It takes a village Stinky.

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:33:38pm

re: #217 Reality Based Steve

Not only does he claim the election is going to be rigged, his own criteria for accepting it’s not rigged is rigged.

RBS

This stated criterion is just another Trump campaign lie.

If Trump wins, the election was fair. If Trump loses, the election was rigged. It really is this simple and stupid for Trump and his rage-drunk followers.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:33:38pm

re: #203 Ziggy_TARDIS

Thankfully, land can’t vote.

Well, actually..,with each state getting two Senators regardless of population, and those two senators giving them two extra electoral votes whether they have one Congressman or 53, land does vote. and since even with that lopsided influence for empty states in the Senate, it still takes a 60-40 vote to do anything, land outvotes people.

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danarchy  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:34:37pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

It’s really not hard to stop antisemites and racists from taking over a comment section. This is a myth. You just have to want to do it, and follow through with action.

That may be true on a site that gets maybe a few thousand comments in a day, but on something like youtube that has millions of videos with thousands of comments on each the only way to do it short of hiring an army of moderators would be algorithmically. Unfortunately while AI/expert systems are advancing pretty quickly, I don’t think they are up to that task yet.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:35:42pm

Interesting Article, and it also catches the way I think about politics.

The interesting part:

The Washington Post​ reported on Sunday that the Clinton campaign is internally having that conversation now: whether to try to expand the map into red states, or redouble the efforts to lock down the current swing states and not let any of them inadvertently slip through the cracks. The ​Post’s article also contains a third, related option, which is to turn the focus more to retaking Congress. While the money that’s specifically in the hands of the Clinton campaign can’t be redirected like that, Priorities USA (the main Super PAC that’s supporting Clinton) is signaling that they plan to start focusing on the pivotal Senate races in Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania. (Priorities USA can’t coordinate with the Clinton campaign, so they’re doing that on their own.)

While moving money into the red states is definitely a gamble, the red states are, in a way, more vulnerable than the swing states. Many of the red states just don’t have the infrastructure in place that would help the Republicans defend them; in other words, the swing states are already heavily fortified, with campaign offices, staffers, voter files, and everything else you need to fight a house-to-house battle. But if one party punches through the front lines, there’s just not much in the way of resources in the seemingly safe states that would help the other party keep fighting on the new terrain as they fall back. (If you want a military metaphor, think of France after the elaborately designed Maginot Line was breached in World War II. There was nothing for them to fall back to, and it turned into a rout.)

That is more or less how I think about politics, in the militaristic sense, where the other side has to be ground underneath our tracks.

What I did find interesting is how feeble Republican Organization is behind the Swing State Line. If Clinton is beginning to get a lead now, that means it could be hard for Republicans to set things up to get a response in time.

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jaunte  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:36:19pm

The man doesn’t/can’t/won’t learn.

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teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:36:35pm

re: #227 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I hate the senate, so goddamned undemocratic. It should be more proportional. Three senators for California, two senators for Virginia, one senator for Wyoming. Something along those lines in tune with the population.

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Archangelus  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:38:11pm

538’s latest Senate model update is interesting: the key difference between the Polls-Only and Now-cast models is that the latter (which has Dem senate control likelihood at 81%) now has Maggie Hassan (D) beating Kelly Ayotte (R) in New Hampshire 61.6% to 38.4%, and Deborah Ross (D) leading slightly over Richard Burr (R) in North Carolina.

Guess I’ll be logging of to sleep feeling a little bit better tonight after all… Sweet scaly dreams my fellow lizards!

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fern01  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:38:58pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Crowd chants “CNN sucks”

But but …. CNN is allowing Melania to quote drivel and lies in support of the yellow bigot

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:39:27pm

re: #231 teleskiguy

I hate the senate, so goddamned undemocratic. It should be more proportional. Three senators for California, two senators for Virginia, one senator for Wyoming. Something along those lines in tune with the population.

Senate rules (the filibuster, private holds on nominees etc.) are more of a problem IMO than the Senate itself.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:39:31pm

re: #175 EPR-radar

An OT bit of entertainment. The odious Mike Pence has a new nickname on the internet, courtesy of Driftglass:

“Christian Pharisee Power Bottom”

I love how Trump keeps bitch slapping Pence by contradicting him again and again. There appears to be no limit to his capacity for humiliation.

Kevin Bacon - Fraternity Paddle

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:41:03pm

re: #235 Big Beautiful Door

I love how Trump keeps bitch slapping Pence by contradicting him again and again. There appears to be no limit to his capacity for humiliation.

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I really think Pence was told “Take one in the cup for the team, and we’ll make it up to you next time around.”

RBS

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:41:27pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:42:42pm

re: #235 Big Beautiful Door

I love how Trump keeps bitch slapping Pence by contradicting him again and again. There appears to be no limit to his capacity for humiliation.

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Agreed. To put it very crudely, Pence is such a power bottom he could probably get a bowling ball up his ass using only anal suction.

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danarchy  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:42:49pm

re: #231 teleskiguy

I hate the senate, so goddamned undemocratic. It should be more proportional. Three senators for California, two senators for Virginia, one senator for Wyoming. Something along those lines in tune with the population.

It is the way it is because there would be no United States otherwise. None of the smaller states would have agreed to join the union if they knew they would essentially have to do what the larger states dictated. Personally I think it was a pretty decent compromise.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:43:15pm

re: #231 teleskiguy

I hate the senate, so goddamned undemocratic. It should be more proportional. Three senators for California, two senators for Virginia, one senator for Wyoming. Something along those lines in tune with the population.

There should be 870 votes, two for each Congressman (since Congressional seats are apportioned by population to the nearest integer, more or less.) Each Senator should get from 1 to 53 votes, depending on the size of his state’s Congressional delegation. Eliminate the two unearned Electoral votes each state gets, and require nonpartisan redistricting commissions like California did, and this country might become governable.

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:43:40pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

He better respond before Trump claims it. “I’ve always wanted the Nobel Prize, and this way was much easier”.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:45:20pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:46:34pm

re: #242 FormerDirtDart

Is he threatening to “date” her when she’s ten years older?

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fern01  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:46:48pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]
Michelle Obama has spent the past 8 years quietly and confidently changing the course of American history

And never complained about the non stop personal attacks from the right. So when folks say “leave Melania alone” - “do as I say, not as I do” comes to mind

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:47:16pm

re: #242 FormerDirtDart

This man is gross, and he needs to be in an island prison, like Alactraz.

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:48:21pm

re: #245 Ziggy_TARDIS

He needs to be locked in his penthouse with phones that connect to nothing.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:48:59pm

Now, let’s see if his constituents re-elect him…

Federal prosecutors on Monday charged Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County with criminal contempt of court, saying he willfully defied a judge’s orders to stop targeting Latinos — including citizens and legal immigrants — in traffic stops and other law enforcement efforts, behavior the judge said showed a pattern of discriminatory policing.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:49:35pm

re: #228 danarchy

That may be true on a site that gets maybe a few thousand comments in a day, but on something like youtube that has millions of videos with thousands of comments on each the only way to do it short of hiring an army of moderators would be algorithmically. Unfortunately while AI/expert systems are advancing pretty quickly, I don’t think they are up to that task yet.

I don’t agree. There are strategies that can scale up to a site like YouTube without breaking the bank, but again - it means making some hard decisions about shutting down abusive people and preventing them from just re-registering and continuing the abuse.

The problem isn’t the scale. It’s the lack of will to stop abuse. It’s much easier to just let the loons run amok and avoid the harder issues of what happens when you take action.

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:50:07pm

re: #239 danarchy

It is the way it is because there would be no United States otherwise. None of the smaller states would have agreed to join the union if they knew they would essentially have to do what the larger states dictated. Personally I think it was a pretty decent compromise.

That compromise is aptly called the “great compromise”. This is what politics should look like — different people have different interests and work something out that can more or less function.

Turning politics into war, as is popular in the US (especially for RWNJs) is a terrible mistake.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:51:11pm

re: #246 Skip Intro

I want him somewhere where he would be isolated, alone, and without his wealth.

An island prison is suitable.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:51:54pm

Suspect couldn’t get cellphone to trigger homemade bomb outside Colorado police station, investigators say.…


Wait for it…

“…Ansberry, who stands 3 foot 6 inches tall, is a little person, and his height played a role in police finding him in Chicago over the weekend…”

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:53:08pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:53:44pm

re: #247 FormerDirtDart

Now, let’s see if his constituents re-elect him…

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I wonder if the Freepers are hoping Sheriff Joe has a violent confrontation with the Feds? I must check.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:54:01pm

I also notice that Alaska is now within 4 points.

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:55:30pm

re: #250 Ziggy_TARDIS

I want him somewhere where he would be isolated, alone, and without his wealth.

An island prison is suitable.

I would like to see Trump obliged to go through the process of looking for a job and keeping it once found.

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fern01  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:55:41pm

re: #183 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump told Savage that he believes he’s actually ahead in the polls, which show him trailing Clinton, and cited “tremendous enthusiasm” and crowd sizes at his rallies as evidence.”

That almost certainly means he’s getting the same info from his internal polls that we’re seeing in the public polls, or maybe worse. He’d be talking about the internals otherwise.

Does the weasel own a polling firm? If not he wouldn’t be paying for internal polls - probably doesn’t even know they exist

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:56:47pm

I think I’ll be unfollowing this guy after this very revealing tweet.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:57:20pm

re: #255 EPR-radar

He has threatened too many people. I want Azkaban-like treatment for him.

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:59:29pm

re: #258 Ziggy_TARDIS

He has threatened too many people. I want Azkaban-like treatment for him.

You aren’t being creative enough. Could there be anything worse for Trump than having to endure a job hunt, and then being in a situation where he has to answer to someone else, otherwise Trump gets to hear “You’re Fired!”?

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BeachDem  Oct 17, 2016 • 6:59:56pm

re: #218 Stanley Sea

As they damn well should

[Embedded content]

And as if I needed another reason to hate the Susan J. Komen gang, they hold events there, dear Nancy has endorsed Trump, and they really don’t see any reason to stop.

rawstory.com

I believe I’ve expressed my disdain for that organization extensively, so I’ll just add this to list of reasons to loathe SJK.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:00:24pm

re: #259 EPR-radar

I do concede your point, in regards to irony.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:01:29pm

re: #256 fern01

Does the weasel own a polling firm? If not he wouldn’t be paying for internal polls - probably doesn’t even know they exist

His people are lying to him to keep him calm.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:01:35pm

re: #260 BeachDem

In the sidebar is this story.

I do think we should start poaching the more educated from Egypt to immigrate here.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:01:41pm

re: #258 Ziggy_TARDIS

He has threatened too many people. I want Azkaban-like treatment for him.

I understand Plum Island has a certain charm.

RBS

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fern01  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:01:47pm

re: #230 jaunte

[Embedded content]

The man doesn’t/can’t/won’t learn.

That’s child abuse - ughhhhhh

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:02:19pm

re: #263 Ziggy_TARDIS

In the sidebar is this story.

I do think we should start poaching the more educated from Egypt to immigrate here.

If they are the more educated, why would they WANT to come here right now?

RBS

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majii  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:02:32pm

re: #247 FormerDirtDart

“Now, let’s see if his constituents re-elect him…”

They just may do that. In spite of the many lawsuits filed against Arpaio and the millions Maricopa County has spent settling them, many in the county like his “law and order for other folks but not for me” shtick. I’ve never read that he is a member of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, but he sure acts like he’s a law unto himself in Maricopa County. I’ve been reading the Phoenix New Times blog for years, and it seems that even when Arpaio breaks the law or does something shady, his rabid defenders refuse to abandon him. He loves sending emails out to his supporters, whining about how Obama/liberals/Democrats/ the feds/the MSM, etc. has/have treated him unfairly. The emails are a regular Pity Party Arpaio throws for himself, and he always begs for money to “defend” himself against these persons/groups and usually gets it.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:03:17pm

Also, apparently Gary Busey is a sex offender too.

In interviews with The Daily Beast, the five remembered actor Gary Busey grabbing one of their colleagues between her legs and seeing Trump laughing about it later.

According to the assaulted woman, the incident occurred during the 2011 season of Celebrity Apprentice while shooting in New York City

She described the actor, putting his hand “firmly” between her legs as well as forcing her hand onto his own crotch

According to the witnesses, Busey’s actions were criticized, but Trump found it amusing and refusing to boot the actor off the show.

I think there needs to be an investigation on NBC now. They seem to be accepting of sexual harassment and assault.

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Bass Reeves  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:03:52pm

re: #259 EPR-radar

Why would any business hire Trump based on what they know of his work ethics? Someone that unsuitable for civil society shouldn’t really get to compete in the workforce.

Now that I think about it though, if RT does a version of ‘Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous’, then I would be interested to see him on it, like him arguing with some Russian mobster about the lack of gold leaf on his bidet.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:03:55pm

re: #266 Reality Based Steve

Because Egypt is still worse, and the economy of Egypt is not recovering?

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:04:03pm

re: #195 bratwurst

One thing to consider: Putin’s Russia is a dictatorship currently hostile to the US, so a foreign polling firm won’t necessarily get honest answers on such issues.

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Swampwitch  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:04:51pm

re: #229 Ziggy_TARDIS

Sadly, here in Iowa we are getting very little to no national help getting rid of Chuckles Grassley in favor of Patty Judge, or professional bigot Steve King in favor of Kim Weaver. Yeah, the big players love Iowa during the caucuses, but they don’t come back to help much later.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:06:26pm

re: #272 Swampwitch

I think to some extent, the Democrats are wrongly seeing the demographics in Iowa, and abandoning it.

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:06:37pm

re: #272 Swampwitch

Sadly, here in Iowa we are getting very little to no national help getting rid of Chuckles Grassley in favor of Patty Judge, or professional bigot Steve King in favor of Kim Weaver. Yeah, the big players love Iowa during the caucuses, but they don’t come back to help much later.

That’s a damn shame. So Grassley may get away with being the #1 obstructionist Republican turd vs. the Judiciary?

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Great White Snark  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:07:04pm

Working the camera downtown today. Building a body of work for the documentary. First four images. A couple could have been shot 60 years ago or more.

Flickr

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:07:45pm

What do we know about @KeepAmerGr8 ?

Because it behaves like a false flag troll with its dissemination of the “249 firms” lie.

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majii  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:08:36pm

re: #256 fern01

“Does the weasel own a polling firm?”

No. He’s so cheap that he didn’t want to pay for any type of data collection, he didn’t want to pay for any GOTV efforts or to set up any campaign offices in any state. I think he was relying on his celebrity and alleged billionaire status to work in motivating persons to vote for him. If he and I were in the desert together, walking side by side, and I had a canteen full of water, I’d give him some. One drop.

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:08:44pm

re: #269 Bass Reeves

Why would any business hire Trump based on what they know of his work ethics? Someone that unsuitable for civil society shouldn’t really get to compete in the workforce.

Now that I think about it though, if RT does a version of ‘Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous’, then I would be interested to see him on it, like him arguing with some Russian mobster about the lack of gold leaf on his bidet.

That’s part of the charm of my modest proposal. I said ‘job hunting’ for a reason, and for someone of Trump’s character, honest competition in the job market is likely to prove impossible to overcome.

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TedStriker  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:08:53pm

re: #268 Ziggy_TARDIS

Also, apparently Gary Busey is a sex offender too.

I think there needs to be an investigation on NBC now. They seem to be accepting of sexual harassment and assault.

While I certainly don’t agree with it at all, at least Busey has a halfway plausible excuse: he had a major TBI in that no-helmet motorcycle wreck of his back in ‘88 and has had a reputation as a loose cannon ever since.

What’s Trump’s excuse?

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danarchy  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:09:12pm

re: #266 Reality Based Steve

If they are the more educated, why would they WANT to come here right now?

RBS

Maybe because Egypt has unemployment over 12% and essentially a military dictatorship(albeit pretty benign compared to some)

As much as people like to shit on the US it is still the number one destination for immigrants.

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:09:54pm

re: #277 majii

“Does the weasel own a polling firm?”

No. He’s so cheap that he didn’t want to pay for any type of data collection, he didn’t want to pay for any GOTV efforts or to set up any campaign offices in any state. I think he was relying on his celebrity and alleged billionaire status to work in motivating persons to vote for him. If he and I were in the desert together, walking side by side, and I had a canteen full of water, I’d give him some. One drop.

That’s one drop more water than I’d give him.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:10:08pm

re: #279 TedStriker

I will give him that.

It’s the same reason I don’t find Gerald Ford’s pratfalls funny now. Because it is a result of Inner Ear Damage from playing Football.

Summary: FUCK FOOTBALL!!

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:10:19pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:10:51pm

re: #280 danarchy

And we have the space. Detroit still needs help, along with other cities hurt by White-Flight.

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:13:01pm

re: #282 Ziggy_TARDIS

I will give him that.

It’s the same reason I don’t find Gerald Ford’s pratfalls funny now. Because it is a result of Inner Ear Damage from playing Football.

Summary: FUCK FOOTBALL!!

There you go again, trashing people’s religion. //

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:13:35pm

re: #264 Reality Based Steve

I understand Plum Island has a certain charm.

RBS

I don’t think the Plum Island in Massachusetts is isolated quite enough. ///

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BeachDem  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:14:00pm

re: #272 Swampwitch

Sadly, here in Iowa we are getting very little to no national help getting rid of Chuckles Grassley in favor of Patty Judge, or professional bigot Steve King in favor of Kim Weaver. Yeah, the big players love Iowa during the caucuses, but they don’t come back to help much later.

I feel your pain here in south by dog carolina. The candidates practically live here during the primaries, then we go into total radio silence.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:14:05pm

I’ll catch you lizards later. Got to get some stuff done around the house, then up early. I’ve got some custom gas mixes to blend for a few of our divers so I need to be in the shop extra early. Working with high pressure O2 is NOT a time that I need to be distracted.

Be good, or at least, don’t be a trump.

RBS

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:14:48pm
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Cheechako  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:15:27pm

re: #198 Reality Based Steve

But look at how much of the map is RED!!!!! That’s proof that Trump is leading.

RBS

But, Trump is winning the most acres. More proof that Trump is leading!

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Swampwitch  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:15:35pm

It doesn’t help that Iowa Public Radio is now basically the flying butt monkey of the Iowa Republican party, despite their claims of balanced journalism during each and every pledge drive.

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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:16:46pm

re: #289 FormerDirtDart

Strange things can happen when words are run together like that: Trum piss cared. That almost works, somehow, to describe the Trump dumpster fire.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:17:12pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:17:52pm

re: #290 Cheechako

But, Trump is winning the most acres. More proof that Trump is leading!

If mounds of bullshit on the ground could vote, the Republicans would always win at the national level. This has been today’s lesson in sympathetic magic.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:19:35pm

Well, what do you know, трамп is a specialist term for a “tramp vessel”, a direct loan from English. Learned something new today ;) Also logically explains at least some of the firms’ names (beyond “трамп” being a catchy word).

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:21:36pm

re: #293 Ziggy_TARDIS

Really, any of the remote, unpopulated, brutal, and cold islands of the Aleutians would work for me.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:22:28pm

re: #295 Nyet

Never quite understood what “Tramp Steamer” meant in regards to ships.

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retired cynic  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:23:44pm

re: #279 TedStriker

While I certainly don’t agree with it at all, at least Busey has a halfway plausible excuse: he had a major TBI in that no-helmet motorcycle wreck of his a long time ago and has had a reputation as a loose cannon ever since.

What’s Trump’s excuse?

Stress from war during the Vietnam years?

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:24:40pm

Has Bear been around?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:25:06pm

re: #297 Ziggy_TARDIS

Never quite understood what “Tramp Steamer” meant in regards to ships.

A freighter that is not assigned a follow-on cargo/destination until it reaches its next port. The Yugoslavian merchant marine ran a lot of them with a few nice passenger cabins in the 1960s.

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Kragar  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:25:28pm

re: #297 Ziggy_TARDIS

Its a cargo ship that doesn’t run along a predetermined trade route, but travels according to the cargo its hired to ship.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:26:41pm

Indian Runner (an Indonesian breed), a certified emotional support duck, 4 years old, wears a Capt. America diaper

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:28:25pm

re: #301 Kragar

Ok. Thanks. I did not know that.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:28:54pm
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jaunte  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:28:56pm

re: #302 FormerDirtDart

“Daniel, the duck on my flight, cannot fly.”
-Schroedinger

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:29:13pm

OK, I see Bear is logged in. HI!

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plansbandc  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:32:20pm

Off topic, but here’s something that gives me a little faith in humanity:

Why Did Boy Ask His Mom To Make 2 School Lunches?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:33:02pm

re: #304 goddamnedfrank

I don’t suppose we could do something similar to Stuxnet on Wikileaks.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:33:17pm

re: #302 FormerDirtDart

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I have to ask: how does a duck get “certified” for emotional support?

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:33:47pm

re: #300 Decatur Deb

A freighter that is not assigned a follow-on cargo/destination until it reaches its next port. The Yugoslavian merchant marine ran a lot of them with a few nice passenger cabins in the 1960s.

I remember when I was a youngster reading about the passenger accommodations on freighters, and thinking that would be a great way to see the world. I’m sure that there isn’t anything like that anymore however. Seems like I even got a book on all the freighter lines, what they offered, all that good stuff.

RBS

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:34:30pm

re: #268 Ziggy_TARDIS

Also, apparently Gary Busey is a sex offender too.

I think there needs to be an investigation on NBC now. They seem to be accepting of sexual harassment and assault.

Hmm. Maybe that’s why they fired Bush so fast, trying to keep a lid on things.

You have to hand it to Trump. Not only does everything he touch turn to shit, nearly everyone who spends time around him does too.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:34:38pm

re: #307 plansbandc

Off topic, but here’s something that gives me a little faith in humanity:

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Video

Good idea. GoFundMe to pay off all past due lunch accounts. It is bullshit that kid’s lunches incur debt.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:34:40pm

re: #309 Charles Johnson

I have to ask: how does a duck get “certified” for emotional support?

There are a bunch of less than legit organizations that offer “certification”.

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plansbandc  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:34:50pm

re: #309 Charles Johnson

There’s someone who has a turkey that’s an emotional support animal also. Can you imagine sitting next to a turkey on a flight? :D

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:35:25pm
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:35:41pm

re: #309 Charles Johnson

I have to ask: how does a duck get “certified” for emotional support?

I would assume through a similar process as any other animal…

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:36:04pm

They’re insistent on Hillary falling for the disinformation and repeating it during the debates.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:36:24pm

re: #313 Timothy Watson

What a wonderful time it is for the scammer, the conniver, and the cheat: the underage drinkers who flash fake I.D.s, the able-bodied adults who drive cars with handicapped license plates, the parents who use a phony address so that their child can attend a more desirable public school, the customers with eleven items who stand in the express lane. The latest group to bend the law is pet owners.

Take a look around. See the St. Bernard slobbering over the shallots at Whole Foods? Isn’t that a Rottweiler sitting third row, mezzanine, at Carnegie Hall? As you will have observed, an increasing number of your neighbors have been keeping company with their pets in human-only establishments, cohabiting with them in animal-unfriendly apartment buildings and dormitories, and taking them (free!) onto airplanes—simply by claiming that the creatures are their licensed companion animals and are necessary to their mental well-being. No government agency keeps track of such figures, but in 2011 the National Service Animal Registry, a commercial enterprise that sells certificates, vests, and badges for helper animals, signed up twenty-four hundred emotional-support animals. Last year, it registered eleven thousand.

newyorker.com

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Decatur Deb  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:36:47pm

re: #310 Reality Based Steve

I remember when I was a youngster reading about the passenger accommodations on freighters, and thinking that would be a great way to see the world. I’m sure that there isn’t anything like that anymore however. Seems like I even got a book on all the freighter lines, what they offered, all that good stuff.

RBS

There were still a few when I checked in 1999. By then they had become pricey, and set an upper age limit because they don’t staff doctors. (I am the butt of a running family joke because I seriously recommended that a few of the kids take a passage in the 80s.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:37:02pm

re: #309 Charles Johnson

I have to ask: how does a duck get “certified” for emotional support?

By a quack team of specialists?

…I’ll see myself out.

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allegro  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:38:59pm

re: #309 Charles Johnson

I have to ask: how does a duck get “certified” for emotional support?

I believe it just requires a doctor’s “prescription” of sorts. A licensed psychiatrist for instance can provide documentation that a patient suffers anxiety and the service animal is beneficial to allow the animal to travel, go into stores, etc.

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jaunte  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:39:20pm

re: #320 Eclectic Cyborg

I think all it takes is a letter from your doctor.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:40:12pm

re: #319 Decatur Deb

There were still a few when I checked in 1999. By then they had become pricey, and set an upper age limit because they don’t staff doctors. (I am the butt of a running family joke because I seriously recommended that a few of the kids take a passage in the 80s.)

You can still book passage on freighters today, for example:

flightlesstravel.com

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:40:18pm

re: #319 Decatur Deb

There were still a few when I checked in 1999. By then they had become pricey, and set an upper age limit because they don’t staff doctors. (I am the butt of a running family joke because I seriously recommended that a few of the kids take a passage in the 80s.)

Apparently it’s still a thing. seaplus.com Figure about 100 bucks a day for a single.

RBS

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Kragar  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:40:29pm

“True, the media is rigged,” he said, “but it was rigged for Trump all damn year. He got more free media than the weather, dwarfing not just his primary foes but Hillary as well. If it wasn’t for the media who fell over Trump every time he sneezed, we’d have a different candidate. So yeah, it was rigged, and that rigging gave us Trump.”

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:41:26pm

re: #324 Anymouse

You can still book passage on freighters today, for example:

flightlesstravel.com

6 seconds. You beat me by 6 lousy seconds.
rBS

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:41:43pm

re: #318 Timothy Watson

newyorker.com

Which it’s frustrating because there are those for whom it is a genuine need. Of course, heaven forbid you suggest that this is an area that the government needs to better regulate.

Saw someone with a Rottweiler at the mall today, wearing a service animal vest. It kept barking. I suspect it was one of the “emotional support” variety, instead of the actually trained service dogs.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:41:53pm

re: #324 Anymouse

You can still book passage on freighters today, for example:

flightlesstravel.com

re: #325 Reality Based Steve

Apparently it’s still a thing. seaplus.com Figure about 100 bucks a day for a single.

RBS

Cheaper around the Horn of Africa, I’ll bet.

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teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:42:14pm

re: #326 Kragar

Stopped clock, blind squirrel, etc.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:42:31pm

re: #327 Reality Based Steve

6 seconds. You beat me by 6 lousy seconds.
rBS

It’s my speedy DSL over a dial telephone line.

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teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:42:57pm

The Merth Mobile.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:43:10pm

re: #326 Kragar

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*Goes around looking for suspicious goatees on everybody.*

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:44:58pm

Do not relax. But

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Dave In Austin  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:45:01pm

re: #320 Eclectic Cyborg

By a quack team of specialists?

…I’ll see myself out.

I just head my late Father speak thru you….. Thank you. I love and miss you Dad……..

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Kragar  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:45:38pm

re: #330 teleskiguy

He quickly veered into idiocy again, but that is only to be expected.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:45:42pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

It should be noted for a long time Trump Sr. would never go on O&A after some dustup way back when-but Junior was a semi-regular guest before Cumia was bounced after his racist tirade.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:46:42pm

re: #322 allegro

I believe it just requires a doctor’s “prescription” of sorts. A licensed psychiatrist for instance can provide documentation that a patient suffers anxiety and the service animal is beneficial to allow the animal to travel, go into stores, etc.

What happens if the person in the next seat has an Rx validating their duck phobia?

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jaunte  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:47:18pm
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ckkatz  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:47:26pm

I wish you all a good 202nd Anniversary of the Great London Beer Flood of 1814

A brewer’s vat burst, knocking over a second vat, sending a 15ft high wave of London Porter into the streets of St. Giles District of London, and claiming 8 lives.

londonist.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:49:24pm

re: #340 ckkatz

I wish you all a good 202nd Anniversary of the Great London Beer Flood of 1814

A brewer’s vat burst, knocking over a second vat, sending a 15ft high wave of London Porter into the streets of St. Giles District of London, and claiming 8 lives.

londonist.com

That is how I want to die.

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William Lewis  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:50:31pm

re: #310 Reality Based Steve

I remember when I was a youngster reading about the passenger accommodations on freighters, and thinking that would be a great way to see the world. I’m sure that there isn’t anything like that anymore however. Seems like I even got a book on all the freighter lines, what they offered, all that good stuff.

RBS

Oh there are still freighters out there that do it. I was looking online recently at a trip from LA to Australia and back via one of them.

freightercruises.com

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MsJ  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:50:46pm

re: #277 majii

“Does the weasel own a polling firm?”

No. He’s so cheap that he didn’t want to pay for any type of data collection, he didn’t want to pay for any GOTV efforts or to set up any campaign offices in any state. I think he was relying on his celebrity and alleged billionaire status to work in motivating persons to vote for him. If he and I were in the desert together, walking side by side, and I had a canteen full of water, I’d give him some. One drop.

You’re far too generous.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:50:48pm

re: #340 ckkatz

I wish you all a good 202nd Anniversary of the Great London Beer Flood of 1814

A brewer’s vat burst, knocking over a second vat, sending a 15ft high wave of London Porter into the streets of St. Giles District of London, and claiming 8 lives.

londonist.com

If Boney’s invasion had gone off ten years before, it would have been wine.

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Nyet  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:52:07pm

hmm

About the Democratic Coalition Against Trump
The Democratic Coalition Against Trump is an arm of Keep America Great PAC, a grassroots coalition aimed at making sure that Donald Trump never becomes President. The Democratic Coalition Against Trump serves as the home of the anti-Trump movement for Democrats and has chairs in all 50 states and D.C. The state chairs of the coalition include Democratic elected officials, party chairs, delegates, grassroots leaders and activists. In addition the Coalition runs Artists Against Trump which includes Award Winning Actor Danny Glover, Daily Show creator Lizz Winstead and Former Correspondent Aasif Mandvi and over 50 artists.

Press Contact:
Francesca Lucia

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MsJ  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:52:14pm

re: #279 TedStriker

While I certainly don’t agree with it at all, at least Busey has a halfway plausible excuse: he had a major TBI in that no-helmet motorcycle wreck of his back in ‘88 and has had a reputation as a loose cannon ever since.

What’s Trump’s excuse?

If TBI made him into a sexual predator, he should be hospitalized in a place for the criminally insane.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:53:14pm

re: #11 Anymouse

Darth Vadar: North Carolina Bathroom Inspector. My how the Sith Lords have fallen.

“I find your lack of bowel movement disturbing”

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Timothy Watson  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:54:13pm

re: #183 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump told Savage that he believes he’s actually ahead in the polls, which show him trailing Clinton, and cited “tremendous enthusiasm” and crowd sizes at his rallies as evidence.”

That almost certainly means he’s getting the same info from his internal polls that we’re seeing in the public polls, or maybe worse. He’d be talking about the internals otherwise.

Romney’s people actually “unskewed” the internal polls. That’s why he didn’t bother to have a concession speech written.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:54:27pm

re: #347 Eventual Carrion

“I find your lack of bowel movement disturbing”

“I find your lack of bowel movement a birth certificate disturbing.”

Fixed.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:55:23pm

re: #349 Anymouse

“I find your lack of bowel movement a birth certificate disturbing.

Fixed.

I wonder what was put down as Anakin Skywalker’s father on his birth certificate.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:55:40pm

I hope the third “Debate” features Hillary skewering DT on his connection to Actual Fucking Nazis. I want her to drop Talking Points into the media scrum like a load of 750-pounders from a B-52 on an Arc Light strike. I want Drump on his knees, covered in soot, screaming amidst the craters of his campaign while quotes from his Nazi supporters form headlines on all the news stations.

I’d pay real cash money to see a “moderator” try to pin him on exactly how he plans to round up, imprison, and torture people. Make that the question he can’t escape from. Make him admit that he’d farm out the dirty work to posses of Nazi, White Supremacist, Pepe-ista/SovCit fucknauts who think November 9th is going to be “rope day”. Make him admit that people will be beaten and murdered by his fan club.

Pin. Him. Down.

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William Lewis  Oct 17, 2016 • 7:59:28pm

re: #332 teleskiguy

The Merth Mobile.

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I always thought they were cool looking. But I’d still rather have a nicely restored Triumph TR-6 :)

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teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:01:28pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:02:25pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

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I got registered in Chatham county, GA today. Thankfully the deadline was extended for us storm refugees, which is great because I really did need the extension, and so did a lot of other people. Somebody in line said the ACLU was “going to sue” if they didn’t extend, but I don’t think there was much of a fight. Extension was a no-brainer.

There was a line of about 100 people and I don’t think a lot of them were Trumpies. So, I am now positioned to help Georgia be a swing state. It will be an absolute pleasure to select “D all the way down” (not the most intelligent way to vote, but I want to send a message to the GOP also) and give the middle finger to Dollar Store Mussolini and The Nazi Shitape Chorus.

You better believe I’ll be first in the door for early voting.

Weirdly, I didn’t have to show the 57 different forms of ID that the process was supposed to require from someone without a GA driver’s license yet. I brought my expired passport, SSN card, two different insurance policy declarations, and my TX driver’s license, and the lady behind the counter just said “Uh-uh, I just need the form”. Me: “Uhh OK? Thanks…”

Southern bureaucracy apparently works that way a lot of times. There’s the by-the-book way, and the clerk’s way. *shrug*

(edited to add thoughts)

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Skip Intro  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:03:26pm

Peter Griffin rides the bus with Drumph

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gwangung  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:04:05pm

re: #354 Pawn of the Oppressor

I got registered in Chatham county, GA today. There was a line of about 100 people and I don’t think a lot of them were Trumpies. So, I am now positioned to help Georgia be a swing state. It will be an absolute pleasure to select “D all the way down” (not the most intelligent way to vote, but I want to send a message to the GOP also) and give the middle finger to Dollar Store Mussolini and The Nazi Shitape Chorus.

Weirdly, I didn’t have to show the 57 different forms of ID that the process was supposed to require. I brought my expired passport, SSN card, two different insurance policy declarations, and my TX driver’s license, and the lady behind the counter just said “Uh-uh, I just need the form”. Me: “Uhh OK? Thanks…”

Southern bureaucracy apparently works that way a lot of times. There’s the by-the-book way, and the clerk’s way. *shrug*

Hate to ask, but were you the appropriate shade?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:04:11pm

Looks like Media is attempting to create Horse-race again.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:04:33pm

re: #354 Pawn of the Oppressor

I got registered in Chatham county, GA today. There was a line of about 100 people and I don’t think a lot of them were Trumpies. So, I am now positioned to help Georgia be a swing state. It will be an absolute pleasure to select “D all the way down” (not the most intelligent way to vote, but I want to send a message to the GOP also) and give the middle finger to Dollar Store Mussolini and The Nazi Shitape Chorus.

Weirdly, I didn’t have to show the 57 different forms of ID that the process was supposed to require. I brought my expired passport, SSN card, two different insurance policy declarations, and my TX driver’s license, and the lady behind the counter just said “Uh-uh, I just need the form”. Me: “Uhh OK? Thanks…”

Southern bureaucracy apparently works that way a lot of times. There’s the by-the-book way, and the clerk’s way. *shrug*

Congrats & we love you GA.

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teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:06:56pm
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majii  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:07:31pm

re: #354 Pawn of the Oppressor

“You better believe I’ll be first in the door for early voting.”

Early voting began in GA today. I had planned to vote today, but something came up, and I couldn’t, so my new plan is to vote tomorrow for sure.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:08:20pm

Nicole downgraded to a tropical storm:
nhc.noaa.gov

SUMMARY OF 1100 PM AST…0300 UTC…INFORMATION
———————————————————————-
LOCATION…44.8N 41.0W
ABOUT 595 MI…960 KM E OF CAPE RACE NEWFOUNDLAND
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS…70 MPH…110 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT…NE OR 35 DEGREES AT 25 MPH…41 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE…968 MB…28.59 INCHES

Nicole is expected to transition to extra-tropical tomorrow and accelerate north at about 25 mph, the predicted track takes it near or over the SE coast of Greenland around 8PM AST Wednesday.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:10:09pm

re: #356 gwangung

Hate to ask, but were you the appropriate shade?

Yes, I think I was. I wondered if I got White Priveleged, but the lady who took my form was dark cocoa brown and said “Uh-UHMM!” when I spread out all my IDs. So, maybe disenfranchisement bullshit is optional depending on the mood of the clerk.

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teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:12:28pm

O_o

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:12:34pm

re: #360 majii

“You better believe I’ll be first in the door for early voting.”

Early voting began in GA today. I had planned to vote today, but something came up, and I couldn’t, so my new plan is to vote tomorrow for sure.

I thought it was the 31st for general election? Well if I can vote tomorrow when the driver’s license office is open, so much the better. I had intended to register and do my DL at the same time but the DMV function was closed today, which I didn’t know until I pulled into the parking lot.

DL change wasn’t on my mind as much (I have until the end of the month, legally) but I really did not want to miss my chance to vote against Fascism.

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gwangung  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:13:43pm

re: #362 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yes, I think I was. I wondered if I got White Priveleged, but the lady who took my form was dark cocoa brown and said “Uh-UHMM!” when I spread out all my IDs. So, maybe disenfranchisement bullshit is optional depending on the mood of the clerk.

Yeah, that sounds right. I recall literacy tests varied according to the shade of the proposed voter (and the mood of the test giver, who was always white).

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:13:50pm

Yep, the big three are hawking the email story. They are trying to narrow the election.

I swear, the media has become like the villain in the James Bond movie The World is Not Enough. The only thing they care about is profit at any cost, nothing about actual journalism, or the sort of think Cronkite did. Just BS like this.

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danarchy  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:14:16pm

re: #363 teleskiguy

O_o

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You need boots like that to wade through the bullshit at a Trump rally…

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ckkatz  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:14:36pm

re: #361 Anymouse

Nicole was still a hurricane at 44.8deg North Latitude? That’s about Minneapolis.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:14:46pm

G’night folks. Stay scaly!

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:14:47pm

re: #362 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yes, I think I was. I wondered if I got White Priveleged, but the lady who took my form was dark cocoa brown and said “Uh-UHMM!” when I spread out all my IDs. So, maybe disenfranchisement bullshit is optional depending on the mood of the clerk.

After my wife and I moved to Nebraska, we registered to vote. When we asked about our prior registration in Oklahoma, the registrar said “don’t worry about that.”

Well, I did; I was concerned about being registered in two states causing us legal trouble.

I contacted the Kay County, Okla. registrar about un-registering to vote in Oklahoma. What a pile. We had to sign letters indicating our intent to de-register, have them notarised, and mail them by not less than Certified Mail with a return receipt.

Upon doing all that, about a month later Kay County sent letters to each of us to give to our registrar here in Nebraska to note we’d been de-certified to vote in Oklahoma.

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MsJ  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:17:43pm

re: #367 danarchy

You need boots like that to wade through the bullshit at a Trump rally…

You need waders. 😁

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majii  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:17:48pm

re: #364 Pawn of the Oppressor

“I thought it was the 31st for general election?”

I Googled it last month to be sure, and it began today. Someone posted a pic here of the line outside the Gwinnett County GA Board of Elections today that showed how many were lined up to vote. Glad you’re now registered and ready to vote!

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:17:57pm

re: #368 ckkatz

Nicole was still a hurricane at 44.8deg North Latitude? That’s about Minneapolis.

Yup. It was downgraded to a 70mph tropical storm (still a warm core cyclone) at about the same latitude as the northern tip of the Lower Peninsula of Michigan.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:19:59pm
Nicole’s resilience as a tropical cyclone is likely due to it being
embedded within very low vertical shear and in quite cold upper
tropospheric temperatures, despite the SSTs dropping to near 20 deg
C. However, Nicole should soon transition to an extratropical
cyclone, as frontal boundaries develop near the center of the system
by tomorrow. Even though it will become extratropical, it is
anticipated that Nicole will remain a large and powerful system for
the next couple of days before being absorbed by a separate
extratropical cyclone in about three days. The intensity forecast is
slightly less than that from the previous advisory because of the
lowered initial intensity and is based upon a deterministic global
model consensus.

nhc.noaa.gov

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:21:42pm

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 18/0300Z 44.8N 41.0W 60 KT 70 MPH
12H 18/1200Z 48.3N 37.9W 60 KT 70 MPH…POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
24H 19/0000Z 54.5N 36.5W 60 KT 70 MPH…POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
36H 19/1200Z 59.0N 34.5W 60 KT 70 MPH…POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
48H 20/0000Z 65.0N 33.0W 60 KT 70 MPH…POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
72H 21/0000Z…ABSORBED BY A LARGER EXTRATROPICAL LOW

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Lidane  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:22:18pm

So a friend on FB that started as a “principled Libertarian” has gone fully around the bend and is voting Trump and she’d recently been posting more and more unhinged rants. Tonight she declared she’s not going to post about politics anymore after one final post about why she’s voting Trump:

This is the last I will say when it comes to why so many people - at this point myself included - are going to vote for Donald Trump in November:
Yes he’s a bit of an ass, yes he’s an egomaniac, but we don’t care.
The country is a mess because politicians have become too self-serving.
The Republican Party is two-faced & gutless.
Illegal aliens have been allowed to invade our nation.
We want it all fixed!
We don’t care that Trump is crude, we don’t care that he insults people, we don’t care that he had been friendly with Hillary, we don’t care that he has changed positions, we don’t care that he’s been married three times, we don’t care that he fights with Megan Kelly and Rosie O’Donnell, we don’t care that he doesn’t know the name of some Muslim terrorist.
This country is weak, bankrupt; our enemies are making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegal aliens and bringing tens of thousands of Muslim refugees to America.
We are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo and Hasid is part of a special group with special rights, to the point where we don’t even recognize the country we were born and raised in; AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED!
Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want.
We’re sick of politicians.
We’re sick of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. We just want this thing fixed.
Trump may not be a saint, but he isn’t beholden to lobbyist money and he doesn’t have political correctness restraining him. All we know is that he has been very successful, he’s an excellent negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he’s also not a politician. He’s definitely not a cowardly politician.
When he says he’ll fix it, we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong or looked at and called a liar.
Oh yeah…I forgot…we don’t care if the guy has bad hair either.

I don’t have the heart to tell her how wrong she is about everything she believes about Trump and who he is. I just want this election to end already.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:23:27pm

re: #368 ckkatz

re: #373 Anymouse

Hurricanes do this sometimes.

Hurricane Faith was an extreme example.

It got relatively close to the Iceland, and went through the Faroe Islands as a Hurricane.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:24:12pm

re: #377 Ziggy_TARDIS

Hurricanes do this sometimes.

Hurricane Faith was an extreme example.

It got relatively close to the Iceland, and went through the Faroe Islands as a Hurricane.

HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
———————————
SURF: Large swells associated with Nicole will affect the United
States east coast, the coast of Atlantic Canada, Bermuda, the
Bahamas, the Greater Antilles, the Leeward Islands, and the Azores
islands for the next few days, creating dangerous surf conditions
and rip currents. These swells are also likely to reach Europe and
the northwest coast of Africa in a day or two. Please refer to
products being issued by your local weather office for more
information.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:25:25pm

I’m thinking the debate is going to fixate on Clinton’s emails, and that will also be what the news will be covering for the rest of the week, and possibly the rest of the cycle. I am pessimistic about the media, if you can’t tell.

I really will not feel any sympathy for the media anymore, no matter what happens to them.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:25:29pm

re: #328 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Which it’s frustrating because there are those for whom it is a genuine need. Of course, heaven forbid you suggest that this is an area that the government needs to better regulate.

Saw someone with a Rottweiler at the mall today, wearing a service animal vest. It kept barking. I suspect it was one of the “emotional support” variety, instead of the actually trained service dogs.

This comes up from time to time as I serve on the disability commission in Salem, Mass. Right now, the state only recognizes seeing-eye dogs and retrieval/assistance dogs as service animals. A late friend of mine had a wonderful Golden who would pick up objects for him. I spent a lot of time with that dog when he was “off-the-clock” (not assisting). I miss him.

Our commission must balance the rights of the individual disabled person (with a service animal) against the rights of the public, the business, and the community.

There are just two rules for the public regarding service animals:

1. The service animal you encounter is probably on-the-job. Respect that and don’t try to let or interact with the animal.

2. The owner of the animal is solely responsible for managing the animal in public, and providing for its needs. The disability community has as many jerks as in the wider world.

I forgot the third rule: You can ask the disabled person if you have a concern about the animal, or even if the animal would like some water. Always ask first, though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:26:09pm

re: #366 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think you mean the villain in Tomorrow never Dies. The villain in World is not Enough was trying to nuke Istanbul.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:26:41pm
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ckkatz  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:26:49pm

re: #378 Anymouse

I guess that I don’t remember these northerly hurricanes. Perhaps because I usually paid attention to the ones that stayed near land, broke up into massive rain events and highly annoyed us locals.

Don’t think we have to worry about any Eastern Seaboard snowstorms this winter, though. I finally bought a snowblower. :)

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jaunte  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:28:41pm

re: #376 Lidane

When he says he’ll fix it, we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong or looked at and called a liar.

It’s pretty sad that some people are so drawn to a fascist’s promises.

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retired cynic  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:29:53pm

re: #383 ckkatz

I guess that I don’t remember these northerly hurricanes. Perhaps because I usually paid attention to the ones that stayed near land, broke up into massive rain events and highly annoyed us locals.

Don’t think we have to worry about any Eastern Seaboard snowstorms this winter, though. I finally bought a snowblower. :)

We bought a big tractor-drawn one after a huge snowstorm about 1980. A bunch of folks had snowmobiles. (This is about an hour north of St. Louis.) We never used the snowblower, and it rusted into the ground after about 30 years. Want to buy a snowmobile? None available around here!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:30:00pm

re: #381 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep, you are right. Sorry about that. Point still stands though, the media is trying to manipulate the election for ratings. The only way that will stop is if something happens at a Trump event, unfortunately.

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Lidane  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:30:12pm

re: #384 jaunte

It’s pretty sad that some people are so drawn to a fascist’s promises.

Especially when that fascist is an easily proven liar.

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bratwurst  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:30:42pm

It’s pretty fucking embarrassing that this stuffed shirt has a good chance of winning. The fact he will never be POTUS is only a small consolation.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:33:53pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:35:46pm

Looks like my account has just been targeted by a fanatical leaker.

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MsJ  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:36:16pm

re: #379 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m thinking the debate is going to fixate on Clinton’s emails, and that will also be what the news will be covering for the rest of the week, and possibly the rest of the cycle. I am pessimistic about the media, if you can’t tell.

I really will not feel any sympathy for the media anymore, no matter what happens to them.

It’s Fox. It’s going to suck.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:36:48pm

I don’t believe it. The media is trying to give this to Trump. After the ugliness of the last 2 weeks, they are trying to move the needle back into horse race territory.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:37:51pm

re: #376 Lidane

Trump may not be a saint, but he isn’t beholden to lobbyist money and he doesn’t have political correctness restraining him.

Except Russia. Not politically correct: I’m a bigot. I’m a misogynist.

All we know is that he has been very successful, he’s an excellent negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he’s also not a politician. He’s definitely not a cowardly politician.

I could be successful if dad gave me $10 million too. Probably more successful, as I would have invested it in a savings account or under my mattress. Particularly since we have not seen his tax release, unlike Hillary Clinton. (Warren Buffett is more of a profile of courage, challenging Mr. Trump to release his taxes, as Mr. Buffett has done for every year since he was bloody thirteen years old.)

Excellent negotiator=I can stiff my contractors and stick the taxpayers for my bankruptcies (capitalise gains and socialise losses). Who the heck manages to bankrupt casinos? He’s not a politician, definitely the kind of person you want in charge of the largest military and the greatest economy the world has ever known. Yes, he is a coward (VD was my personal Vietnam - refer to my avatar here on what a real Vietnam war orphan is.)

When he says he’ll fix it, we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong or looked at and called a liar.
Oh yeah…I forgot…we don’t care if the guy has bad hair either.

Just who you want in international negotiations, an egotist. “Damn it, the Ivory Coast insulted me? Where’s that nuclear football?” As for calling him a liar, I’ll call him a liar right now. With his own damn recordings.

As for his hair, I don’t care if the fascist talking yam actually has a wombat for a hairpiece: I care what is under it, and a mainline to Alex Jones and the Klan and the neo-Nazis are something I care about; my family fled the Nazis just before they invaded Gdansk, I’ll be damned if I sit back and allow a Nazi to be elected here if I can organise voting against him.

I want his Nazi followers and Klan wannabes to go back under the rock they came from, because America is Already Great.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:37:58pm

re: #391 MsJ

If/When journalists are attacked at a Trump event, I will not be able to care, I will admit that now. They have been manipulating the election as much as Russia.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:40:16pm

re: #69 Nyet

lolwut

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He’s a guest. He doesn’t have a right to the internet.
And maybe Eddie should tell that to Putin…

I guess Snowjob is ok with sexting 8 year olds.

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scottslemmons  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:40:21pm

re: #390 goddamnedfrank

Looks like my account has just been targeted by a fanatical leaker.

[Embedded content]

What does that even mean? Are they just going to tweet at you, or leak at you? Does it mean they’re going to try to hack you or something?

People are freakin’ weird.

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allegro  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:40:31pm

re: #384 jaunte

It’s pretty sad that some people are so drawn to a fascist’s promises.

I find it less destructive to be drawn to Trump who apparently many find charismatic than what they, at least according to this person, believe about what’s going on in the country:

This country is weak, bankrupt; our enemies are making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegal aliens and bringing tens of thousands of Muslim refugees to America.
We are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo and Hasid is part of a special group with special rights, to the point where we don’t even recognize the country we were born and raised in; AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED!

Really? The US is weak and bankrupt? We’re being invaded and Mexicans and Muslims are getting special rights? WTF? How do you fight a complete disassociation from reality?

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:41:17pm

re: #379 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m thinking the debate is going to fixate on Clinton’s emails, and that will also be what the news will be covering for the rest of the week, and possibly the rest of the cycle. I am pessimistic about the media, if you can’t tell.

I really will not feel any sympathy for the media anymore, no matter what happens to them.

Trust me, Hillary Clinton’s campaign has got this. Unlike Donald Trump, she has done her opposition research.

She put up with that nonsense Benghazi hearing for over eleven hours. She is not done dumping on the Trump campaign in such a way the media cannot ignore Category V Hurricane Hillary.

As one of Wonkette’s t-shirts has as a logo: I was born to do this. (It has a picture of Hillary Clinton in plate armour holding aloft a sword in one hand and Trump’s head in another, with votes of course as they say over at Wonkette.)

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:42:37pm

re: #395 Shiplord Kirel

I guess Snowjob is ok with sexting 8 year olds.

My guess about Wikileaks getting Mr. Assange back on the Internet (their contingency plan as they put it) would be someone locally providing open Wi-fi he can log into.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:42:57pm

re: #398 Anymouse

Except the media will ignore it. They have a “story” to create, and nothing will deviate from it.

The media is garbage, and should be treated as such.

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ckkatz  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:43:36pm

re: #385 retired cynic

My mother was from the other side of Mo, St Joseph. Don’t know much about the winter in those parts as we would always visit the grandparents in August. Coming from Pittsburgh, I remember it being quite warm then. Of course that was a loooong time ago.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:44:41pm

re: #400 Ziggy_TARDIS

Except the media will ignore it. They have a “story” to create, and nothing will deviate from it.

The media is garbage, and should be treated as such.

Like they ignored the Access Hollywood tape? The Savage recordings?

They will not be able to ignore it, just as they haven’t been able to ignore the rest.

There is just as much money to be made tearing down Mr. Trump as there is building him up, perhaps more (Americans love a good corruption scandal).

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:46:54pm

re: #402 Anymouse

I feel a certain anger and malice towards the media right now. I do not trust them.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:46:54pm

Christ on a Pony-even Fox Sports can’t Photoshop to save their hiney….

The Minnesota Vikings sent a not-so-subtle message to Fox Sports after an image used on Sunday football broadcasts caused a social media stir.

In an on-screen graphic promoting next weekend’s games, Fox featured action photos of Vikings quarterback Sam Bradford and Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz grasping footballs, ready to pass. Or did they? Vikings fans noticed a couple of things out of place with Bradford’s grasp: the gloves on his two hands.

Those white gloves are a trademark of injured quarterback Teddy “Two Gloves” Bridgewater. Fox apparently Photoshopped Bradford’s face onto an old Teddy Bridgewater photo. A Deadspin writer noted that Fox Sports had used the same image at least once before.

“Have your people contact our people,” the Vikings tweeted to Fox Sports’ pro football Twitter account. “We’ll get you a photo.”

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teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:47:35pm

Dramatic Chipmunk

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jaunte  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:48:35pm

re: #405 teleskiguy

Scary Movie

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:49:16pm

Even FOX News Channel is saying nice things about Democrats, in regard to the GoFundMe campaign to raise money for the Orange County, No. Car. GOP office that was attacked:

foxnews.com

Trump has consistently attacked the media, and that nonsense over his new hotel in Washington was the last straw.

Even my own very conservative newspaper here, despite whithering attacks from the readers, has not backed down from its position of refusing to endorse Mr. Trump. On the other hand, all the Trump yard signs and billboards in my county are gone; bumper stickers peeled from cars.

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retired cynic  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:50:12pm

re: #401 ckkatz

My mother was from the other side of Mo, St Joseph. Don’t know much about the winter in those parts as we would always visit the grandparents in August. Coming from Pittsburgh, I remember it being quite warm then. Of course that was a loooong time ago.

Kansas City has more extreme weather than we do, by a bit. Hotter, colder, more storms. There is nothing much between them and the southwest to stop things!

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plansbandc  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:50:22pm

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:50:52pm

re: #407 Anymouse

Not going to give any of them an inch. They caused me massive stress during the election, and are looking to create circumstances to increase it again.

They FOAD in my opinion.

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danarchy  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:52:38pm

re: #410 Ziggy_TARDIS

Not going to give any of them an inch. They caused me massive stress during the election, and are looking to create circumstances to increase it again.

They FOAD in my opinion.

Dude take a Xanax and stop watching the news already.

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EmmaAnne  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:53:01pm

re: #394 Ziggy_TARDIS

If/When journalists are attacked at a Trump event, I will not be able to care, I will admit that now. They have been manipulating the election as much as Russia.

Reporters are people doing their jobs and going where their editors send them. They don’t deserve violence.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:54:41pm

re: #411 danarchy

I won’t be able to relax until when/if Clinton wins.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:55:29pm

re: #412 EmmaAnne

They are not doing their jobs. They coddle Trump, and don’t dispute a single word he says, while constantly trying to create bullshit scandals against Clinton.

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allegro  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:56:07pm

re: #414 Ziggy_TARDIS

They are not doing their jobs. They coddle Trump, and don’t dispute a single word he says, while constantly trying to create bullshit scandals against Clinton.

I see there is some disassociation from reality on this side, too.

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teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:56:36pm

re: #413 Ziggy_TARDIS

Well if you’re going to be a pissant and bring your doom and gloom and not giving a fuck if journalists are hurt or killed during the campaign then fuck off, dude. Take that bullshit to Reddit, asshole.

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danarchy  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:57:40pm

re: #414 Ziggy_TARDIS

They are not doing their jobs. They coddle Trump, and don’t dispute a single word he says, while constantly trying to create bullshit scandals against Clinton.

The confirmation bias is strong in this one.

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teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:57:48pm

re: #403 Ziggy_TARDIS

I feel a certain anger and malice towards the media right now. I do not trust them.

Yeah, we get it. You’ve said this like a million times. It’s fucking annoying at this point.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 8:58:27pm

re: #403 Ziggy_TARDIS

I feel a certain anger and malice towards the media right now. I do not trust them.

And that is exactly what facists want people to do; what Republicans since Ronald Reagan have been trying to foster.

The backbone of a democratic republic is a free press. Despite what the NRA claims, it is not the II Amendment that ensures democracy, it is the I Amendment.

If you choose to toss out trust in the Fourth Estate, then in reality where will you find trustworthy information about what is happening?

Should you be angry about magic balance fairy arguments that both parties are the same? Absolutely because they are not. There are many things you can do, including writing your local TV or radio station.

TV and radio stations are licensed by the FCC to serve the public interest, it is right there in the regulations. They are also required to hold on file for inspection by the FCC all letters received from the public for not less than one year. (The FCC occasionally sends their own letters as “tests” to see if the station is in compliance.)

You can also write others.

As an example of this, the Nebraska State Lottery had an advertisement on The Rush Limbaugh Show here on a local station.

I wrote a letter of complaint to the Lottery (a real letter, not an E-mail), noting if they were going to advertise on that incendiary gas bag’s programme I would cease buying lottery tickets.

The lottery wrote me back saying they had informed the station they were not to play lottery adverts on his show again; the lottery is non-partisan and does not advertise on political shows.

You can write a letter (not phone or E-mail) a local business displaying a Trump/Pence sign on their property, telling them that you will do business with a company that is interested in profits, not political statements. Despite all the support Trump has in this district Nate Silver says is most likely to vote for him, no business has any political signs whatsoever displayed on their property.

Rather than worry, put that worry to use.

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teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:00:15pm

re: #414 Ziggy_TARDIS

Turn your fuckin’ TV off already!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:01:14pm

re: #415 allegro

So, what negatives are they reporting about Trump today.

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BeachDem  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:01:15pm

re: #413 Ziggy_TARDIS

I won’t be able to relax until when/if Clinton wins.

So—are you working for the campaign? Making phone calls? Doing anything other than scrutinizing the polls and wishing bad things on media people? That’s a good way to reduce stress and actually help make good things happen.

Sinking into anger doesn’t help anyone. But you know that…

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ckkatz  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:02:24pm

In this election I keep trying to remind myself of the old Rudyard Kipling poem (If) -

“If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,”

To which my father would often add: “You’ll be a head taller”…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:03:19pm

re: #422 BeachDem

I tried to contact the local campaign, but have not heard back.

I will try calling tomorrow.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:04:39pm

re: #410 Ziggy_TARDIS

Not going to give any of them an inch. They caused me massive stress during the election, and are looking to create circumstances to increase it again.

They FOAD in my opinion.

The metric of whether or not someone should be treated like a human being (which is what you’re going on about with respect to journalists) should not be whether or not they’ve caused you stress.

Human beings are not always going to make your life easy. You need to learn to cope with this in a way that isn’t anger and rage based.

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BeachDem  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:04:41pm

re: #424 Ziggy_TARDIS

I tried to contact the local campaign, but have not heard back.

I will try calling tomorrow.

Go to their office. They’ll welcome you with open arms.

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Poligeek  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:05:16pm

re: #424 Ziggy_TARDIS

Sometimes you need to hound them.. or just drop by the office.. that’s what I wound up doing.

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danarchy  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:05:31pm

re: #421 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, what negatives are they reporting about Trump today.

The last two weeks have been an utter media pile on Trump, if they decide to cover something else for a day doesn’t mean they are trying to turn the election. Besides people have been all over the news criticizing Trump on all of the rigged election talk…including freaking FOX news.

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BeachDem  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:06:57pm

re: #426 BeachDem

Go to their office. They’ll welcome you with open arms.

re: #427 Poligeek

Sometimes you need to hound them.. or just drop by the office.. that’s what I wound up doing.

When BeachDem AND Poligeek tell you the same thing within a minute, you gotta believe!

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:07:25pm

re: #421 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, what negatives are they reporting about Trump today.

Just at ABC:

abcnews.go.com Trump Suggests Paul Ryan Won’t Support Him because Ryan has 2020 Ambitions

abcnews.go.com Rubio Dismisses Trump Claims about Rigged Election

abcnews.go.com Billy Bush Leaving Today Show over Recorded Remarks with Trump

abcn.ws Trump Attacks Republicans Who Dare Minimise His Rigged Election Rhetoric

&c &c &c lots more just at ABC.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:11:07pm

re: #425 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I am going through and deleted my more viscious and nasty tweets now. I should better.

I have been using the election as a way to dump anger in order to feel better afterwards. With as threatening as Trump and his ilk are, I felt/feel there is no reason to hold back, and am just dumping it on anyone who doesn’t follow party line at this point. I do know it is wrong at an intellectual level, but I run on my emotions.

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teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:11:34pm

re: #430 Anymouse

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Stupid URLs! I confuse the fake ones from the real ones.

My apologies, Anymouse.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:12:57pm

re: #432 teleskiguy

No, that one is real. The fake one is almost exactly identical, but the symbol in the top left is Black and White.

I know this, because I was duped by the fake site at one point.

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teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:13:30pm

Plz reload #432.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:14:26pm

re: #433 Ziggy_TARDIS

Or there was something different. Just went through Google, that is correct.

This is the fake one.

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teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:14:39pm

I have too many tabs open! Maybe I should put on some music.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:15:25pm

re: #431 Ziggy_TARDIS

Look, if you have to write the things, write them in a text file that you close without saving.

People notice how you treat other human beings. You may think you’re completely justified in it. In some cases, you may even be right. But why should they trust your nice face, then? What if they did something that caused you to consider them equivalent to the person you’re abusing? There’s a lot of sayings that revolve around the same concept of “how you treat those who are beneath you reflects on your character.” There’s a reason for that.

Just something to think on. And I strongly recommend you talk to a therapist about anger management.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:15:39pm

re: #434 teleskiguy

Difference is one is abcnews.go.com.

The fake one is abcnews.com.co.

.co is the top level domain of Colombia.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:15:45pm

The kinds of things being reported in the press over the last two weeks about Mr. Trump’s campaign are not the sorts of things you hear from a successful campaign. They are the kinds of things that come from a campaign that has either lost its direction or never had one.

Trump is losing, he knows it, and he is lashing out at anyone and everyone. Remember, this is the guy who refused professional campaign workers such as Roger Stone’s advice to do opposition research on himself.

Had he done that, he might have been prepared for the craptastic storm raining down on him now. Had the other Republican candidates in the so-called “deep bench” done that research, they would not have been swept aside by Mr. Trump.

Donald Trump is still running his campaign as if he is trying to get elected in a primary, not in a general election. He has no surrogates campaigning for him other than those he hired.

The press has been showing the mostly empty campaign rallies of Mr. Trump. Endless miles of footage and photographs have been shown of empty seats and sections of halls. Part of the reason his unhinged base is so upset with the press is precisely because the press is reporting what is true rather than the message they want to see.

On the Democratic side, just about every politician who is anyone is campaigning for Hillary Clinton, including Senator Bernie Sanders. Despite allegations to the contrary, the Democrats are excited about their candidate.

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danarchy  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:16:10pm

re: #431 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am going through and deleted my more viscious and nasty tweets now. I should better.

I have been using the election as a way to dump anger in order to feel better afterwards. With as threatening as Trump and his ilk are, I felt/feel there is no reason to hold back, and am just dumping it on anyone who doesn’t follow party line at this point. I do know it is wrong at an intellectual level, but I run on my emotions.

The Xanax thing was kind of a joke, but more seriously have you talked to anyone about anti-anxiety meds? Because this shit is definitely not healthy for you.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:17:31pm

re: #432 teleskiguy

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Stupid URLs! I confuse the fake ones from the real ones.

My apologies, Anymouse.

No need to apologise; the last URL does look different than the normal ABC URL, but it is also a valid URL. Just looking at them might lead someone to think the last is not real (but I got it directly from ABC News, which also uses .ws URLs).

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:19:27pm

re: #440 danarchy

I take them, but I become forgetful under stress, and I have been having loneliness problems recently, so I have been forgetting them.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:21:07pm

re: #442 Ziggy_TARDIS

I take them, but I become forgetful under stress, and I have been having loneliness problems recently, so I have been forgetting them.

Make a tracker for yourself. A little grid that you can keep by your computer, and fill in a dot each day when you take your meds.

I am 100% serious. You can do it on a post it note that you stick on your monitor. Do a week at a time. Someplace you can see it.

I use something similar for tracking things like taking vitamins, etc., stuck in my (old fashioned) planner.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:22:11pm

re: #443 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Make a tracker for yourself. A little grid that you can keep by your computer, and fill in a dot each day when you take your meds.

I am 100% serious. You can do it on a post it note that you stick on your monitor. Do a week at a time. Someplace you can see it.

I use something similar for tracking things like taking vitamins, etc., stuck in my (old fashioned) planner.

Or even a pillbox, which costs only a dollar or two from a drugstore (I use a pillbox to keep track of my epilepsy and thyroid medications).

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:23:06pm

Apparently, 2 papers have endorsed Trump. The St. Joesph News-Press in Missouri, and the Santa Barbara News-Press in Ca.

The Santa Barbara News-Press is special. The woman who ones it sounds like Trump herself.

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danarchy  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:23:16pm

re: #443 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Make a tracker for yourself. A little grid that you can keep by your computer, and fill in a dot each day when you take your meds.

I am 100% serious. You can do it on a post it note that you stick on your monitor. Do a week at a time. Someplace you can see it.

I use something similar for tracking things like taking vitamins, etc., stuck in my (old fashioned) planner.

Or get one of those med reminder apps for your phone.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:25:11pm

re: #444 Anymouse

Or even a pillbox, which costs only a dollar or two from a drugstore (I use a pillbox to keep track of my epilepsy and thyroid medications).

re: #446 danarchy

Or get one of those med reminder apps for your phone.

Lots of possible solutions. But find something that works for you so you can stick to the meds schedule.

For a lot of those, going on and off erratically can produce their own issues.

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retired cynic  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:29:01pm

re: #443 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Make a tracker for yourself. A little grid that you can keep by your computer, and fill in a dot each day when you take your meds.

I am 100% serious. You can do it on a post it note that you stick on your monitor. Do a week at a time. Someplace you can see it.

I use something similar for tracking things like taking vitamins, etc., stuck in my (old fashioned) planner.

I have one of those weekly pill things, with seven little boxes. I fill them out once a week, on Sunday afternoon, and they are on my desk, under my monitor. I kept forgetting the one in the mid-afternoon, and set an alarm on my cell phone. I recommend something like that. You can see immediately if you’ve missed a dose.

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Anymouse  Oct 17, 2016 • 9:37:08pm

re: #448 retired cynic

I have one of those weekly pill things, with seven little boxes. I fill them out once a week, on Sunday afternoon, and they are on my desk, under my monitor. I kept forgetting the one in the mid-afternoon, and set an alarm on my cell phone. I recommend something like that. You can see immediately if you’ve missed a dose.

I have a twenty-eight hole pillbox. (My meds are a bit complicated.)

I went through what was misdiagnosed as clinical depression by the US Navy before I was medically retired, including spending time in the wards where the doors don’t open out.

Turns out someone ignored the part of the DSM-IV that says if you suspect clinical depression, you should check thyroid levels to ensure they are within normal range.

The Veterans Administration uncritically accepted the Navy’s diagnosis, while continuing to cycle me through differing antidepressants that didn’t work, finally settling on an MAOI (and the horrible restrictive diet that goes with it).

My (then) new wife going over my medical information with me noted there had never been a thyroid test, and put her foot down at a psychiatrist appointment I had; the VA did the thyroid tests and viola! Way way low.

Placed on thyroid medications after many years of failed depression treatment, and things got better. I was gradually weaned of the MAOI and no trouble since.

Your mileage may vary. It would appear from reading various psychiatric literature however that missing low thyroid levels is not that uncommon, especially in low average or underweight people like me (docs still hold on to various stereotypes like anyone else as they are people too).

Such a thing is why I would not run for a higher political office than county level; the wrong diagnosis of clinical depression would be uncovered by oppo research and if you’re explaining in politics, you’re losing.

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sagehen  Oct 17, 2016 • 11:09:00pm

re: #340 ckkatz

I wish you all a good 202nd Anniversary of the Great London Beer Flood of 1814

A brewer’s vat burst, knocking over a second vat, sending a 15ft high wave of London Porter into the streets of St. Giles District of London, and claiming 8 lives.

londonist.com

We’re coming up on the 100-year anniversary of Boston’s Great Molasses Flood

historytoday.com

On January 15th, 1919, in what was probably the most bizarre disaster in United States’ history, a storage tank burst on Boston’s waterfront releasing two million gallons of molasses in a 15 ft-high, 160 ft-wide wave that raced through the city’s north end at 35mph destroying everything it touched.

By the time it passed, the wave had killed 21 people, injured 150, and caused damage worth $100 million in today’s money. All caused by molasses.

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EPR-radar  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:02:04am

re: #431 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am going through and deleted my more viscious and nasty tweets now. I should better.

I have been using the election as a way to dump anger in order to feel better afterwards. With as threatening as Trump and his ilk are, I felt/feel there is no reason to hold back, and am just dumping it on anyone who doesn’t follow party line at this point. I do know it is wrong at an intellectual level, but I run on my emotions.

To be blunt, do something about this business of running on your emotions. You aren’t 3 years old any more, so stop acting like it.

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phoebesmother  Oct 18, 2016 • 7:34:57pm

re: #196 Charles Johnson

Wait wait wait wait wait wait … I missed this (how did I miss this, I read you every day?) HE SAID THAT???? Just how stupid is this man? NO ONE would miss that echo would they ? Really?
Of course a certain proportion of people missed “international bankers.”


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