Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob & Chez Show:
The Bad Guy Won: We review the election of Donald Trump with a bare-bones show; The ramifications for American democracy, decency, rationality; How to block the Trump agenda, and the way forward; and more.
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Half of all eligible voters didn’t vote. Fuck every single one of you.
Welp at least there’s about 60 million other people that are angry and upset by what happened last night, so we’re not in this alone. The GOP will do much long-term damage to the progress we’ve made as a nation, but there will be a backlash.
@Anymouse- I’m dragging this back from downstairs because I think we’re arguing the same side of the same coin, and I want to know your thoughts.
—I asked for things that your neighbors want that the Democrats AREN’T addressing, and that AREN’T rooted in bigotry. Privatizing education and social security are ideas rooted in keeping the tax dollars away from the other and are examples of self-harm in support of bigotry. Republican governments are destroying access to education everywhere they are in charge. Hillary proposed more minimum wage and better access to education and Trump proposed right to work and gutting education, so I must reject the idea that those are concerns of that part of the country. Or to be more precise, to put those ideas in the Democratic platform once again centers Whiteness (Straight, Christian) over the rest of the country.
Veterans isn’t point of contention this election, and Republicans haven’t been for veterans since they created a couple hundred thousand of them a decade ago.
So maybe we’re left with Agriculture/Agribusiness. Has the DNC done something that actually hinders the farmers in your area? More to the point, when the hell did Donald talk about it?
If they privatize Social Security, lets make “May the stock market crash on the day of your retirement” a curse.
I saw that gun company stocks have taken a beating. Should be some bargains out there. The NRA could point out that Obama still has 10 weeks to start his long-prophesied gun grab and bring in UN troops to keep Trump from taking office.
re: #5 Shiplord Kirel
I saw that gun company stocks have taken a beating. Should be some bargains out there. The NRA could point out that Obama still has 10 weeks to start his long-prophesied gun grab and bring in UN troops to keep Trump from taking office.
Maybe I can finally buy some ammunition without feeling guilty.
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re: #5 Shiplord Kirel
I saw that gun company stocks have taken a beating. Should be some bargains out there. The NRA could point out that Obama still has 10 weeks to start his long-prophesied gun grab and bring in UN troops to keep Trump from taking office.
“Hoard your weapons, because we can’t keep Democrats out of office forever.”
On top of everything else, I stepped into a crack in the pavement yesterday and twisted my knee, and now it’s swollen and stiff. Ow.
re: #8 Belafon
“Hoard your weapons, because we can’t keep Democrats out of office forever.”
You jest, but right now there’s an advertising teams concocting a new campaign that hinges on how there’s a new immediate threat of harm.
re: #2 No Depression
Welp at least there’s about 60 million other people that are angry and upset by what happened last night, so we’re not in this alone. The GOP will do much long-term damage to the progress we’ve made as a nation, but there will be a backlash.
After last night, I can only assume going forward that any backlash will be against “the system,” against “the status quo” and not against Trump or the GOP. They succeeded in weaponizing voter apathy, in turning all the whines of Bros into a weapon against democracy. In 4 years, the Bros will be back, moaning that whoever the DNC offers up is “no different” from Trump. They did it with Kerry, they’ll do it even with Warren.
re: #2 No Depression
Welp at least there’s about 60 million other people that are angry and upset by what happened last night, so we’re not in this alone. The GOP will do much long-term damage to the progress we’ve made as a nation, but there will be a backlash.
I just hope we can head it off and cut our losses in 2 years for the Primaries. (half sarcastic)
re: #10 The Ghost of a Flea
You jest, but right now there’s an advertising teams concocting a new campaign that hinges on how there’s a new immediate threat of harm.
Ayep. “All those angry Muslims and black folks are gonna come for you, so better buy up all the new AR-15s you can!”
re: #9 Charles Johnson
On top of everything else, I stepped into a crack in the pavement yesterday and twisted my knee, and now it’s swollen and stiff. Ow.
You think that’s bad. I forgot I threw 2 cheesy brats on the grill 2 hours ago. And I remembered 5 minutes ago.
(get better)
re: #10 The Ghost of a Flea
You jest, but right now there’s an advertising teams concocting a new campaign that hinges on how there’s a new immediate threat of harm.
In California I’m sure it’s something along the lines of “BUY AMMO NOW BEFORE THE NEW LAW GOES INTO EFFECT!!”
re: #14 GlutenFreeJesus
You think that’s bad. I forgot I threw 2 cheesy brats on the grill 2 hours ago. And I remembered 5 minutes ago.
(get better)
Why do you hate children?
Guess who else is happy about Trump’s win:
I’ve been trying to find an average of the Libertarian vote, just to see if they managed to crack 5% and so qualify for federal funding in 4 years. Because if so, then 2020 might even be more of a nightmare.
Not a peep about voter fraud anywhere today even though the press was giving it wide latitude for weeks.
re: #17 No Depression
Guess who else is happy about Trump’s win:
I thought that if they didn’t attack they supported Clinton?
re: #17 No Depression
Guess who else is happy about Trump’s win:
One of my neverTrumping Republican friends who was going to vote for Johnson ended up voting for Clinton because the Free Syrian Army was unofficially saying they needed Clinton to win.
re: #19 Amory Blaine
Not a peep about voter fraud anywhere today even though the press was giving it wide latitude for weeks.
Weeks until election: “Voter fraud is going to be widespread. Russia is going to mess with our election system. Do not trust the vote totals.”
Today: “Trump won a mandate! America chose! Fuck you losers!”
re: #15 KGxvi
In California I’m sure it’s something along the lines of “BUY AMMO NOW BEFORE THE NEW LAW GOES INTO EFFECT!!”
Funny you say that. I was in WalMart this morning and two middle aged white guys were at the ammo counter. One of them was buying everything they had in stock. The other guy asked why since the Republicans won. The first guy said that the “commies” in CA had passed a bill that will make buying ammo much more difficult in January.
So the fear and paranoia goes on unabated.
re: #24 Skip Intro
Funny you say that. I was in WalMart this morning and two middle aged white guys were at the ammo counter. One of them was buying everything they had in stock. The other guy asked why since the Republicans won. The first guy said that the “commies” in CA had passed a bill that will make buying ammo much more difficult in January.
So the fear and paranoia goes on unabated.
I like how they use “commies” as an insult while the man they probably support is the BFF of a former KGB official aspiring to bring Russia to its former glory… /
What needs to be done part 3 (last one, I promise)… if the democratic party is to help its citizens who it can help, then it must be at the state level. I envision Obamacare going away, and I can understand why some people who had large premium jumps would be angry and vote against Clinton. It will be interesting to see what the Republicans do with
1) keeping children on until 26
2) not astronomical rates for people with pre-existing conditions
It is impossible to keep 2), and so many people will be in the same boat as before. We need these people (even if they voted Trump, and many of them stupidly did) to tell their story.
Blue states can do many of the things that will lead to a better society
1) public option, which leads to an obviously overall cost of healthcare per person
2) free contraception to teens, and good sex education, which needs to be obviously lead to lower pregnancy rates and less poor teen families.
Compare the economic performance to GOP paradises such as Kansas. Keep the comparisons simple.
Secretary of Defense Chris Christie, next on MTP.
re: #27 Amory Blaine
Secretary of Defense Chris Christie, next on MTP.
Nah. He’ll be the new head of the Army Corps of Engineers.
re: #27 Amory Blaine
Secretary of Defense
Chris ChristieMike Flynn, next on MTP.
KKK on the bridge in Mebane, NC this morning 😪 pic.twitter.com/GcSQeUB3w9
— shorty guizman (@kelbi1lewis) November 9, 2016
So this happened 15 minutes from my house.
re: #17 No Depression
Guess who else is happy about Trump’s win:
Of course they are, that was a given.
re: #26 BlueSpotinAL
I note that health insurance rates do not appear to have taken a huge jump in California (I’m not on Obamacare, so I’m not sure). Unlike other places.
Of course when the Republicans manage to eradicate Medicaid, all bets are off.
re: #28 GlutenFreeJesus
Nah. He’ll be the new head of the Army Corps of Engineers.
Or Secretary of Transportation.
re: #29 Timothy Watson
Can’t wait to see his diagrams.
re: #18 Targetpractice
I’ve been trying to find an average of the Libertarian vote, just to see if they managed to crack 5% and so qualify for federal funding in 4 years. Because if so, then 2020 might even be more of a nightmare.
CNN has the popular vote as 47.7-45.5 for Clinton, leaving 4.8% for all third party candidates. So, no, the Libertarians did not get 5%.
Am I reading this correctly? With the Senate flip in NH and IL does that make a virtual 50-50 split (with Bernie Sanders and Angus King as Ind.). Could make simple majorities difficult on big issues.
re: #30 Scottishdragon
So this happened 15 minutes from my house.
But, remember, they’re Democrats. ///////
re: #37 Franklin
Am I reading this correctly? With the Senate flip in NH and IL does that make a virtual 50-50 split (with Bernie Sanders and Angus King as Ind.). Could make simple majorities difficult on big issues.
I think the 48 number includes Sanders and King as Democrats.
re: #37 Franklin
Am I reading this correctly? With the Senate flip in NH and IL does that make a virtual 50-50 split (with Bernie Sanders and Angus King as Ind.). Could make simple majorities difficult on big issues.
Pretty sure the Republicans were at 51 already last night. The Dems needed to flip 5 and they definitely didn’t.
Well I can see that I’m not going to get anything done today. That’s what happens when you wake up at 1am, check the election news, and can’t get back to sleep again.
re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus
Half of all eligible voters didn’t vote. Fuck every single one of you.
What we can do part 4: Mail in ballots. No line standing, no having to take off work, unless you want to. Colorado participation is around 10% higher, but still depressingly low for all that.
re: #41 Skip Intro
Well I can see that I’m not going to get anything done today. That’s what happens when you wake up at 1am, check the election news, and can’t get back to sleep again.
I called Beach Dem in disbelief. Woke her up. We attempted to talk each other down from the ledge.
I’ve done like 3 items of work. That’s all I’ve got in me today.
re: #30 Scottishdragon
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So this happened 15 minutes from my house.
This is a hoax: snopes.com
re: #37 Franklin
Am I reading this correctly? With the Senate flip in NH and IL does that make a virtual 50-50 split (with Bernie Sanders and Angus King as Ind.). Could make simple majorities difficult on big issues.
Fuck, Bernie is gonna be insufferable for ages now. He’s gonna be our new Libermann, extorting all sorts of shit just to “hold the line.”
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Elections. Have. Consequences.
WSJ reports @BobbyJindal being “discussed” as possible Health and Human Services secretary. https://t.co/vapni5QRqA
— Lee Zurik (@LeeZurik) November 9, 2016
re: #46 Targetpractice
Fuck, Bernie is gonna be insufferable for ages now. He’s gonna be our new Libermann, extorting all sorts of shit just to “hold the line.”
He got the numbers wrong. We’re still in the minority, though a little better than yesterday.
re: #48 Franklin
Elections. Have. Consequences.
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I’m gonna have an ulcer the size of a small dog’s head by the time 2024 rolls around.
SUPREME COURT PICKS:
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Judge Napolitano
Judge Jeanine “Ducklips”
re: #48 Franklin
Elections. Have. Consequences.
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He’s going to cure seizures by performing exorcisms.
re: #49 Belafon
He got the numbers wrong. We’re still in the minority, though a little better than yesterday.
“A little better” is relative at this point. McConnell can’t afford any defections, but neither can we. And, as we’ve seen in recent years, Democrats are willing to defect if they think it will save their asses come reelection time.
re: #4 Belafon
If they privatize Social Security, lets make “May the stock market crash on the day of your retirement” a curse.
They won’t. Bush wanted to, but its a nonstarter because there are millions of Republican voters who get pissed when you try to mess with their social security checks. They like their welfare, they just don’t want “those people” to get any.
re: #50 Targetpractice
I’m gonna have an ulcer the size of a small dog’s head by the time 2024 rolls around.
I’ve felt like I was going to throw up since midnight.
Hasn’t happened, yet.
I resurrected an old profile pic & updated it to match my current mood.
Whaddya think?
I’m debating whether to leave my Twitter avatar as is, change it to match the snarky cat, or change it to this funny shouting bird, which I’ve had for a few years and has always cracked me up, but I’ve never used.
There’s also this one:
I have tons of others too. Choices, choices…
re: #26 BlueSpotinAL
What needs to be done part 3 (last one, I promise)… if the democratic party is to help its citizens who it can help, then it must be at the state level. I envision Obamacare going away, and I can understand why some people who had large premium jumps would be angry and vote against Clinton. It will be interesting to see what the Republicans do with
1) keeping children on until 26
2) not astronomical rates for people with pre-existing conditionsIt is impossible to keep 2), and so many people will be in the same boat as before. We need these people (even if they voted Trump, and many of them stupidly did) to tell their story.
Blue states can do many of the things that will lead to a better society
1) public option, which leads to an obviously overall cost of healthcare per person
2) free contraception to teens, and good sex education, which needs to be obviously lead to lower pregnancy rates and less poor teen families.Compare the economic performance to GOP paradises such as Kansas. Keep the comparisons simple.
It’s simple. The GOP will. not. care. They will probably pass some bullshit “reform” that allows selling policies across state lines, which will just lead to a race to the bottom in terms of shitty policies.
Okay, the first time I’ve genuinely laughed in half a day:
By the way, I say 2024 because I’ve pretty much given up on 2020. After last night, I’ve come to the realization that Trump is gonna be another Dubya. He could go into 2020 with a shitty economy, another failing war, and huge domestic faults, and we will still have millions of our fellow Americans who will either stay home because they see no point to voting or vote third party because they think “This year, it will matter.”
I know that’s a massively cynical position to take, but after last night I decided that history isn’t just repeating itself, it’s playing the Worst Hits of All Time.
re: #3 Bass Reeves
@Anymouse- I’m dragging this back from downstairs because I think we’re arguing the same side of the same coin, and I want to know your thoughts.
—I asked for things that your neighbors want that the Democrats AREN’T addressing, and that AREN’T rooted in bigotry.
He’s told you a dozen times.
Every Democrat idea is on some website where it’s only seen by people who go looking for it; and it’s being discussed in Other States by candidates and party apparatchiks who’d sooner pull out their own teeth with pliers and no anesthetic than spend a couple of days a year in his state or his district.
The Democrats aren’t addressing his neighbors AT ALL. Not a word. Democrats and their ideas are some kind of exotic foreign thing they’ve never seen IRL, that are believed to be whatever the local Republican official says they are.
re: #14 GlutenFreeJesus
You think that’s bad. I forgot I threw 2 cheesy brats on the grill 2 hours ago. And I remembered 5 minutes ago.
(get better)
Burnt to a shriveled, blackened husk, are they?
re: #62 sagehen
That is something that needs to change.
re: #61 Targetpractice
By the way, I say 2024 because I’ve pretty much given up on 2020. After last night, I’ve come to the realization that Trump is gonna be another Dubya. He could go into 2020 with a shitty economy, another failing war, and huge domestic faults, and we will still have millions of our fellow Americans who will either stay home because they see no point to voting or vote third party because they think “This year, it will matter.”
I know that’s a massively cynical position to take, but after last night I decided that history isn’t just repeating itself, it’s playing the Worst Hits of All Time.
W also had 9/11.
re: #58 Mike Lamb
It’s simple. The GOP will. not. care. They will probably pass some bullshit “reform” that allows selling policies across state lines, which will just lead to a race to the bottom in terms of shitty policies.
Shhh, don’t give them ideas (just kidding). The point is to fight for it. Maybe single payer. I am sure the GOP would try to stop that, too, though.
@FrankConniff And push the orange one off the couch
— jay (@random__name) November 9, 2016
Also, a former lizard thinks that me thinking that Trump’s use of globalism/ists etc had an anti-semitic whiff to it is all in my head. He apparently wasn’t paying attention to all the Trump fans doing the ((())) thing…
I know we were all anxious in 2008 (those of us olds who used to be wingnuts) because we didn’t know much about Obama. But the POTUS-elect is not an unknown figure.
re: #61 Targetpractice
I know that’s a massively cynical position to take, but after last night I decided that history isn’t just repeating itself, it’s playing the Worst Hits of All Time.
I’m usually sarcastic and sardonic on here, but that’s partly just the way I act on the Internet (and IRL).
But, right now, that’s how I genuinely feel.
Just other shitburgers coming to mind:
Sex ed will tilt heavily towards abstinence only.
As someone mentioned, codifying the ability to discriminate for any reason (nearly).
Charter/private schools everywhere
Planned Parenthood…going the way of ACORN
Toll roads as an alternative to the interstate system…this will be a straight up wealth transfer to monied interests, as the interstate system deteriorates for lack of upkeep.
re: #49 Belafon
He got the numbers wrong. We’re still in the minority, though a little better than yesterday.
But still just as fucked.
re: #67 Jayleia
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So, all the Republicans Trump gave degrading names to while crapping on them in the primaries are gonna line up and take cabinet positions?
Well, all except Kasich who didn’t play ball. (Look out Ohio…)
What a great amount of self respect they have.
To all the news organizations & journalist that cared more about ratings & clicks rather than vetting #Trump 18 months ago good luck with 1A
— PamS (@PamSchep) November 9, 2016
re: #68 The Vicious Babushka
I know we were all anxious in 2008 (those of us olds who used to be wingnuts) because we didn’t know much about Obama. But the POTUS-elect is not an unknown figure.
We already know he’s going to try to ignore climate change for the next 4 years. That’s catastrophic. I think it’s time to party like it’s the end of the world.
After all the progress we made, in one election the RWNJs can just tear down America, and allow climate change to disrupt civilization, enabling them to live their mountain-man fantasies.
re: #65 The Vicious Babushka
W also had 9/11.
At this point, I don’t think it will take a 9/11 to keep Trump in office, just a series of mini ones. We took it as granted that attacks like San Bernardino weren’t helping Trump at the polls because they didn’t jump in his favor. After last night revealing the massive disparity between the polls and actual voter turnout, one can only assume that many of those who voted for him last night have that attacks and others like it playing somewhere in their heads.
Remember: Donald Trump promised he was going to sue all the women who accused him of sexual assault as soon as he was elected.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 9, 2016
And Kellyanne Conway said they’re making lists of all the people he feels slighted him in the campaign season.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 9, 2016
If he follows through, we’re about to see a vindictive rampage unlike anything in US politics. Even Nixon wasn’t this insane.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 9, 2016
He’s surrounded himself with conspiracy theorists, racists and yes-men. Nobody’s going to keep him in check. @Emilycgb
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 9, 2016
I don’t like this at all. Dems need to stop playing nice with these assholes:
Statement to The Globe from @SenWarren on the 2016 election results. pic.twitter.com/thrapUfdkS
— Annie Linskey (@AnnieLinskey) November 9, 2016
Big: “Trump promised to rebuild our economy for working people, and I offer to put aside our differences and work with him on that task.” https://t.co/TPCVvwJixl
— Alex Seitz-Wald (@aseitzwald) November 9, 2016
“Progressive champions” like Elizabath Warren already pledging to work with Trump “for working people.” The rightward Dem shift begins! https://t.co/czumX6p2zK
— Marcus Hassan (@smoothkobra) November 9, 2016
re: #57 CuriousLurker
Any would work. I’m sticking with mine, though I might swap it out for DONT PANIC!
re: #3 Bass Reeves
@Anymouse- I’m dragging this back from downstairs because I think we’re arguing the same side of the same coin, and I want to know your thoughts.
—I asked for things that your neighbors want that the Democrats AREN’T addressing, and that AREN’T rooted in bigotry.
I believe I mentioned those things. Agriculture programmes. Job issues. Education.
— Privatizing education and social security are ideas rooted in keeping the tax dollars away from the other and are examples of self-harm in support of bigotry.
They mightn’t know that it’s rooted in bigotry. All they see is failing education and Democrats doing nothing but calling us hicks and a flyover state that isn’t even worth sending a third-stringer to campaign in even one time. They see We Don’t Matter to Coastal Liberals.
Remember I mentioned that there was a movement here to block farm shipments to cities? That was a real thing. Farmers and ranchers here really consider liberals are out to get them.
My state is now considering moving water monitoring (discussed in the last village board meeting) from Health to Department of Environmental Quality. Funny that, because the state is gutting DEQ (therefore water quality). The village board voted a proclamation to the state governor opposing the move. There are no Democrats any more in western Nebraska because they abandoned our state; after all, we’re just a fly-over with lots of corn and cattle.
— Republican governments are destroying access to education everywhere they are in charge. Hillary proposed more minimum wage and better access to education and Trump proposed right to work and gutting education, so I must reject the idea that those are concerns of that part of the country. Or to be more precise, to put those ideas in the Democratic platform once again centers Whiteness (Straight, Christian) over the rest of the country.
Never saw Hillary Clinton or any of her surrogates here. No adverts. Not even a newspaper advert. Hillary Clinton’s campaign, as far as our voters can see, did not give a shit about this state. They voted accordingly. Mr. Trump and his surrogates were here several times. Bernie Sanders was here a couple times.
— Veterans isn’t point of contention this election,
Ask the VFW, the American Legion, and VoteVets about that, all of whom endorsed Hillary Clinton and noted the dangers of the GOP plan for the VA. Dammit, the Democrats should have made it an issue. They should have taken away the flag-waving false patriotism from the GOP.
— and Republicans haven’t been for veterans since they created a couple hundred thousand of them a decade ago.
But “thank you for your service.” That phrase now chokes me when I hear it from a conservative. But conservatives believe that is the patriotic thing to do, and liberals are anti-American.
— So maybe we’re left with Agriculture/Agribusiness. Has the DNC done something that actually hinders the farmers in your area? More to the point, when the hell did Donald talk about it?
Trump didn’t but his surrogate Senator Deb Fischer did. Unopposed Representative Adrian Smith sure did. Both of them criss-crossed the state.
Dave Domina, when he ran against Ben Sasse, talked a big deal about the Keystone XL Pipeline. Didn’t mention agriculture. Got slagged in the 2014 election.
re: #75 Interesting Times
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All the slander and libel suits now coming are not going to be from a small-fingered vulgarian with limited resources, they’re going to come from the DOJ with the virtually unlimited resources of the federal government. For an industry that obsesses about “access,” being told that your press pass to the White House press corps has been revoked will be a death sentence.
re: #79 No Depression
I don’t like this at all. Dems need to stop playing nice with these assholes:
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That’s it. I’m calling my Senators to tell them to give the GOP hell.
re: #79 No Depression
I don’t like this at all. Dems need to stop playing nice with these assholes:
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That’s the other reason I figure we’re going to lose 2020, because the Bros are going to see Democrats who are saying they’ll work to promote the best of Trump’s ideas and say “There’s no difference!”
Wingnuts scream “there’s no difference between the parties!,” but then go out and vote. Moonbats scream “there no difference between the parties!,” then sit home and pout.
re: #80 lawhawk
Any would work. I’m sticking with mine, though I might swap it out for DONT PANIC!
I decided to go with the barking dogs one for Twitter. Seems appropriate, heh.
re: #79 No Depression
I don’t like this at all. Dems need to stop playing nice with these assholes:
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Sigh I like Senator Warren but I can’t accept this rhetoric after how they treated Obama who unlike Trump didn’t run a nasty campaign. And how Trump vowed to put Clinton in jail. If that me a hypocrite, so be it but I have no desire to help Trump.
1) Please stop with the “we need to understand Trump voters” rhetoric. We understand them very well. These are the types of people who …
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 9, 2016
2) vote against their own interests and put tyrants and despots into office, throughout history. This isn’t new. It’s as old as human …
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 9, 2016
3) experience.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 9, 2016
re: #68 The Vicious Babushka
I know we were all anxious in 2008 (those of us olds who used to be wingnuts) because we didn’t know much about Obama. But the POTUS-elect is not an unknown figure.
No, and after 70 years he isn’t going to change. Why should he? He just won the biggest contest in the world and will be the most powerful man in the world.
re: #85 Targetpractice
That’s the other reason I figure we’re going to lose 2020, because the Bros are going to see Democrats who are saying they’ll work to promote the best of Trump’s ideas and say “There’s no difference!”
Wingnuts scream “there’s no difference between the parties!,” but then go out and vote. Moonbats scream “there no difference between the parties!,” then sit home and pout.
Moonbats do more than anyone to prevent us from getting the progress we want.
re: #26 BlueSpotinAL
What needs to be done part 3 (last one, I promise)… if the democratic party is to help its citizens who it can help, then it must be at the state level. I envision Obamacare going away, and I can understand why some people who had large premium jumps would be angry and vote against Clinton. It will be interesting to see what the Republicans do with
1) keeping children on until 26
2) not astronomical rates for people with pre-existing conditionsIt is impossible to keep 2), and so many people will be in the same boat as before. We need these people (even if they voted Trump, and many of them stupidly did) to tell their story.
Blue states can do many of the things that will lead to a better society
1) public option, which leads to an obviously overall cost of healthcare per person
2) free contraception to teens, and good sex education, which needs to be obviously lead to lower pregnancy rates and less poor teen families.Compare the economic performance to GOP paradises such as Kansas. Keep the comparisons simple.
They don’t care about any of that. Note Colorado got rid of its long-term contraception programme.
Guns, abortion, liberals, religious freedom for me and not for thee, lots of military power (but not so much supporting military personnel).
That is what they care about.
I had a great friend (mentioned him many times here…passed away back in 2011) who said one of the Democrats problems is we always turn the other cheek to get it slapped too. He was a proponent of give ‘en hell more than the hell they give us politics.
I though a lot about him last night. After seeing many of your comments about the Democrats playing too nice, all of what he said has come back to me. He may well have been right.
We also talked many times while fishing back in the mid-80s about America turning fascist. Hello.
re: #44 Stanley Sea
I’ve done like 3 items of work. That’s all I’ve got in me today.
You’ve done more than me. I think I’ve changed some ads for a client, but I have a laundry list of things to do today that I can’t even look at.
I’m taking solace in the fact that the agency I work for is almost all women and we’re all a mess today after seeing Donald Cheetolini get elected last night. Nobody else is really getting work done.
WTF is this?!
UPDATE: Never mind, apparently failed satire.
Spotted this at politico.
Blane Shaw
Arlington, Texas
ahahahaah………I want to be secretary of rounding up liberals!
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Lynn Roberts
I want to be undersecretary of shooting them and putting them out of their misery. It is the humane thing to do, you know.
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re: #52 Belafon
Going straight to the prayer option.
It’s days like today I wish there was something out there to pray to.
What a tragedy for this country.
re: #78 Charles Johnson
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And the 45 million who chanted “lock her up” will not have any problem with it.
re: #87 HappyWarrior
Sigh I like Senator Warren but I can’t accept this rhetoric after how they treated Obama who unlike Trump didn’t run a nasty campaign. And how Trump vowed to put Clinton in jail. If that me a hypocrite, so be it but I have no desire to help Trump.
We’ve told ourselves for years now that the GOP was going to pay for their obstruction, that the American people would see their efforts to prevent progress and would punish them accordingly.
After last night, I think we can safely say that that was a foolish thing to believe.
re: #48 Franklin
Elections. Have. Consequences.
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OFFS. Yeah, maybe they’ll just create a Department of Exorcisms for people they deem “unwell.”
re: #98 Targetpractice
We’ve told ourselves for years now that the GOP was going to pay for their obstruction, that the American people would see their efforts to prevent progress and would punish them accordingly.
After last night, I think we can safely say that that was a foolish thing to believe.
We believed in a lot of foolish things before last night.
The most disappointing stat IMO is the one that shows black women had Hillary’s back more than white women. https://t.co/GFvO9qKzcv pic.twitter.com/5GNtqFUL0w
— Sylvia Obell (@SylviaObell) November 9, 2016
re: #94 Nyet
That last part, they were saying what Conservatives would say.
Notice how right wing media suddenly stopped screaming about voter fraud and rigged elections.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 9, 2016
re: #101 Charles Johnson
Related:
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— Will de Freitas (@Will_deF) November 9, 2016
We’re now going to see Congressional investigations into virtually anything that looks the least bit “liberal.” And they’ll have a DOJ that will be ready and willing to do their bidding, so any thoughts that nothing will come of those investigations is wishful thinking. I predict right now that before the next 4 years are out, the Clinton Foundation will cease to exist.
re: #101 Charles Johnson
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Has anyone proffered a logical explanation of how Trump managed to get a larger percentage of the Hispanic vote?
OK, that was a satire fail. Do *not* leave off the quotation marks.
re: #94 Nyet
WTF is this?!
You’ll have to follow the thread from the beginning, it was my response to someone who claimed “well, you know, you can always get RU-486 on the Internet”
Sure, sometimes you can, and other times you get something that is a counterfeit. Counterfeit drugs on the Internet rake in tens of billions of dollars for counterfeiters every year.
That includes RU-486.
re: #101 Charles Johnson
@SylviaObell The vast majority of black women don’t have heads full of Fox News nonsense. Brainwashing works, and will destroy our country.
— (((Jeff Furling))) (@FurlingtonJeff) November 9, 2016
re: #105 Lidane
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This wasn’t a working class revolt any more than Brexit was.
I just had a sobering thought: As soon as the GOP gets control they will probably defund the fuck out of Planned Parenthood.
re: #109 Nyet
OK, that was a satire fail. Do *not* leave off the quotation marks.
Let me help, I speak Flyover.
re: #27 Amory Blaine
Secretary of Defense Chris Christie, next on MTP.
He’s a cinch for Secretary of Transportation. UGGGGGHHHHHH.
re: #101 Charles Johnson
I wonder how many of those white women voted Trump because their husbands told them to?
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re: #105 Lidane
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Also, looking at those numbers, I cannot begin to understand how Bernie would have done any better last night. He was held up as a working class hero, his appeal supposedly to all those who were benighted by the worst of economic inequality. Yet those people were not the ones who won the day for Trump, it was the people who opposed everything Bernie had to offer. How the fuck was he going to do any better?
re: #107 Targetpractice
We’re now going to see Congressional investigations into virtually anything that looks the least bit “liberal.” And they’ll have a DOJ that will be ready and willing to do their bidding, so any thoughts that nothing will come of those investigations is wishful thinking. I predict right now that before the next 4 years are out, the Clinton Foundation will cease to exist.
You may recall that Newt Gingrich thought a new House Un-American Activities Committee would be necessary or at least a good thing to consider.
So, I talked to my friend in DC…
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re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg
I just had a sobering thought: As soon as the GOP gets control they will probably defund the fuck out of Planned Parenthood.
They’re already set to repeal Obamacare.
They’ll defund Planned Parenthood. Find a way to overturn gay marriage, overturn DADT, and mandate conversion therapy for LGBT kids.
We’re in for a long, national Republican nightmare. They’ve got the Presidency, the House, the Senate, and they’ll have a conservative majority on the Court, too. We’re fucked.
re: #110 Anymouse
You’ll have to follow the thread from the beginning, it was my response to someone who claimed “well, you know, you can always get RU-486 on the Internet”
Sure, sometimes you can, and other times you get something that is a counterfeit. Counterfeit drugs on the Internet rake in tens of billions of dollars for counterfeiters every year.
That includes RU-486.
I did not say internet. I said black market. It’s already available in Mexico.
re: #109 Nyet
OK, that was a satire fail. Do *not* leave off the quotation marks.
Or at least use the wingnut font. There are those who hate LGF and will cherry pick stuff like that leaving it devoid of context. I know you understand this, but apparently not everyone does.
re: #123 wrenchwench
I did not say internet. I said black market. It’s already available in Mexico.
Because the black market is known for its quality control.
re: #122 Lidane
I hope things will eventually get better.
re: #101 Charles Johnson
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The question I would have with those numbers is what percentage of those groups voted yesterday? With the release of the numbers that did not vote, I’m thinking maybe too many people within those groups did not turn out to vote. So, 94% of how many Black women? If only 50% of Black women voted, it hurt the overall vote.
And I am not criticizing those groups. I’m glad those people of color that voted voted for Hillary.
I think back on the Clinton Bus Rally that hit Columbus I attended. It certainly was not well attended by people of color…though people of color were there. It was pretty white, which at the time sort of surprised me. I was thinking I would see a lot more Latino/Hispanic people and more Blacks.
Oh well…water over the dam.
re: #105 Lidane
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Read something last night to the effect of people whose economic standing improved since 2011 voted for Trump 66-31. Trump is no working class hero, he’s a fraud.
re: #123 wrenchwench
I did not say internet. I said black market. It’s already available in Mexico.
I stand corrected. Plenty of counterfeit drugs on the black market too.
re: #127 Ziggy_TARDIS
I hope things will eventually get better.
They will but we took a big step back last night.
This is the third straight election in which the presidential candidate I was backing lost. Think about the stigma I feel I hold right now.
— Nathan Obral 🍁😸🍁 (@myronfalwell) November 9, 2016
Not voting for President Obama in 2008 and 2012 will be a regret I’ll take to my grave. :(
re: #122 Lidane
He also promised to jail Hillary if won.
Half /
And who knows what new restrictions he mihjt put on the media. I would not be surprised if Steve Bannon makes press secretary.
re: #105 Lidane
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re: #127 Ziggy_TARDIS
I hope things will eventually get better.
That’s not going to happen anytime soon. White America basically just told POC and LGBT people that they don’t matter, and that they never did.
This is a gut punch of an election. Even Republicans I know are shocked and upset today, but there’s no changing it. We’re fucked as a country because white people decided that no one else mattered.
re: #111 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters
Brainwashing works, and
willmay have already destroyed our country.
A little tweak there.
re: #129 HappyWarrior
Read something last night to the effect of people whose economic standing improved since 2011 voted for Trump 66-31. Trump is no working class hero, he’s a fraud.
And none of that mattered. Because at the end of the day, Trump’s voters didn’t want to vote for a woman. Trump’s voters didn’t want to vote for the candidate who supports equal rights and protections, but rather a return to the 1950s and segregation/racial profiling and eliminating affirmative action and the CRA/VRA.
They want to roll back the safety net.
That’s what Trump and the GOP promised.
— Emergency Kittens (@EmrgencyKittens) November 9, 2016
re: #125 Targetpractice
Because the black market is known for its quality control.
All I was saying (last thread) was that women have learned things, before and since Roe, that they will not forget. Yes, it is bad and it will get worse, but never back to the worst it ever was. Why do people want to say, ‘It will be WORSE THAN EVER’?
re: #137 lawhawk
And none of that mattered. Because at the end of the day, Trump’s voters didn’t want to vote for a woman. Trump’s voters didn’t want to vote for the candidate who supports equal rights and protections, but rather a return to the 1950s and segregation/racial profiling and eliminating affirmative action and the CRA/VRA.
They want to roll back the safety net.
That’s what Trump and the GOP promised.
Which is why this election was the only critical issue of the last 18 months.
re: #115 Decatur Deb
Let me help, I speak Flyover.
Damn you Deb!!!
By the way, I want to express my gratitude for all you did for the Hillary campaign too. And for your continued cautioning of what could happen with the vote…as it did happen.
I realize it is a hollow acknowledgment…but I wanted to express it anyway. Thanks.
Edit…hollow!
re: #133 Eclectic Cyborg
He also promised to jail Hillary if won.
Half /
And who knows what new restrictions he mihjt put on the media. I would not be surprised if Steve Bannon makes press secretary.
Naw, that will be Kellyanne. Bannon will be a behind the scenes thug for Trump just like he is now.
If a Trump presidency is all it takes to make you give up on your hopes & dreams for your nation, then you don’t want them enough.
— Hend Amry (@LibyaLiberty) November 9, 2016
re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg
I wonder how many of those white women voted Trump because their husbands told them to?
And their pastors, preachers and priests, etc.
Donald Trump has already been told he’ll fail on one of his biggest policies https://t.co/zevFw41giP
— The Independent (@Independent) November 9, 2016
re: #141 ObserverArt
Damn you Deb!!!
By the way, I want to express my gratitude for all you did for the Hillary campaign too. And for your continued cautioning of what could happen with the vote…as it did happen.
I realize it is a hallow acknowledgment…but I wanted to express it anyway. Thanks.
The Democratic candidate for 2020 has a 2 percent lead.
(There were a bunch of us here.)
re: #122 Lidane
They’re already set to repeal Obamacare.
They’ll defund Planned Parenthood. Find a way to overturn gay marriage, overturn DADT, and mandate conversion therapy for LGBT kids.
We’re in for a long, national Republican nightmare. They’ve got the Presidency, the House, the Senate, and they’ll have a conservative majority on the Court, too. We’re fucked.
The Democrats and Congress can gum things up as much as possible, and we’ll have outside groups to help as well. As we’ve seen with Obama’s agenda, there’s only so much you can get done.
I hate to say this, but we actually need to start thinking about 2018.
Israel’s leader, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, indicated a high comfort level with the next president, hailing Trump as a “true friend of the state of Israel.”
Fuck Bibi.
re: #147 Belafon
We might not get the Senate, but we might be able to pull off the House.
re: #139 wrenchwench
All I was saying (last thread) was that women have learned things, before and since Roe, that they will not forget. Yes, it is bad and it will get worse, but never back to the worst it ever was. Why do people want to say, ‘It will be WORSE THAN EVER’?
“It will be better than last time” isn’t much of a consolation prize. You say “menstrual extraction,” I say that it still only covers first trimester pregnancies which will mean a lot of women left to more dangerous procedures for pregnancies past that point.
You say “the black market will provide,” I say that it will only do so by jacking prices up so that the poor either can’t afford or what they will be able to afford will be a crap shoot.
You haven’t offered an explanation for what happens when women start going to prison for “murder.”
re: #139 wrenchwench
All I was saying (last thread) was that women have learned things, before and since Roe, that they will not forget. Yes, it is bad and it will get worse, but never back to the worst it ever was. Why do people want to say, ‘It will be WORSE THAN EVER’?
Because conservatives back in the Fifties and Sixties weren’t talking about arresting women who procured abortions.
The cat slipped from the bag earlier in the election season: If a foetus is a “baby” and killing babies is murder, then procuring a contract murder is also murder.
That is exactly where the anti-abortion movement is now, and why Mike Pence got his little bill passed in Indiana to require “proper burial” for foetuses. The goal is to make a foetus a person and a woman a murderer.
In the past, the conservative goal was to prosecute doctors who performed abortions, and treat women as brainwashed or deluded and therefore not responsible.
Not any more. Women have already been thrown in jail for not properly taking care of a “baby” under foeticide laws (passed to protect a wanted foetus in the event a woman was attacked, but now employed against women directly).
You don’t think they’ll do it? They have been baying that since Roe was decided.
They want to outlaw most or all contraception; you don’t think they’ll go after women for homicide?
Wasn’t very many years ago a woman could not get a credit card. My mother couldn’t get a car loan without my father’s cosignature. We are only one generation removed from that.
re: #147 Belafon
The Democrats and Congress can gum things up as much as possible, and we’ll have outside groups to help as well. As we’ve seen with Obama’s agenda, there’s only so much you can get done.
I hate to say this, but we actually need to start thinking about 2018.
25 Dems vs 8 Repubs in 2018. Short of a “wave” election, we’re actually set to lose even more ground in 2 years.
There are horrible domestic policy impacts coming — as you folks know full well.
And there are real people in every part of the world who will be hurt and killed as a result of the new foreign policy — as you folks know full well.
But right now, what’s really turning my stomach is that the next president is a man who lies no matter what the circumstances. Even when he doesn’t have to. It’s what he is. No one will ever know what to take as fact or fiction.
This is a nightmare in real life. I honestly don’t know how well I can cope.
re: #153 Targetpractice
25 Dems vs 8 Repubs in 2018. Short of a “wave” election, we’re actually set to lose even more ground in 2 years.
True, but there’s the House as well. And a lot of states do their big elections in the off years.
re: #155 Mike Lamb
And the recourse for Iran is what?
The European Union and Asia can tell the USA to piss off.
See also: renewed Cuba embargo.
re: #139 wrenchwench
All I was saying (last thread) was that women have learned things, before and since Roe, that they will not forget. Yes, it is bad and it will get worse, but never back to the worst it ever was. Why do people want to say, ‘It will be WORSE THAN EVER’?
Because we are all upset and depressed. And there is the Great Unknown looming ahead.
I feel it too, but after an entire morning of comforting my husband, having 2 friends call also in need of calming, and so many here ready to jump off a cliff, I’m burning out.
I hate that Trump won both because of the probable effects and because I hate what it says about this country. But, I just don’t see an option beyond feeling sick about it for 24 hours and then putting one foot in front of the other.
If anyone has a better idea, please share.
re: #155 Mike Lamb
And the recourse for Iran is what?
It is sayingre: #155 Mike Lamb
And the recourse for Iran is what?
The deal “cannot be overturned by a single government”, Mr Rouhani said after it became clear that Donald Trump will be the next President of the US. If true, then that means that one of Mr Trump’s central campaign promises is already in peril.
re: #152 Anymouse
Because conservatives back in the Fifties and Sixties weren’t talking about arresting women who procured abortions.
The cat slipped from the bag earlier in the election season: If a foetus is a “baby” and killing babies is murder, then procuring a contract murder is also murder.
That is exactly where the anti-abortion movement is now, and why Mike Pence got his little bill passed in Indiana to require “proper burial” for foetuses. The goal is to make a foetus a person and a woman a murderer.
In the past, the conservative goal was to prosecute doctors who performed abortions, and treat women as brainwashed or deluded and therefore not responsible.
Not any more. Women have already been thrown in jail for not properly taking care of a “baby” under foeticide laws (passed to protect a wanted foetus in the event a woman was attacked, but now employed against women directly).
You don’t think they’ll do it? They have been baying that since Roe was decided.
They want to outlaw most or all contraception; you don’t think they’ll go after women for homicide?
Wasn’t very many years ago a woman could not get a credit card. My mother couldn’t get a car loan without my father’s cosignature. We are only one generation removed from that.
That is the real big difference this go-around. 40+ years ago, the idea of punishing women directly was repugnant, as society still thought of women as too dumb to know any better and that doctors were preying upon them. We’re 40 years hence, these days people don’t think women who engage in abortion are doing so for “convenience” and as a form of contraception. Trump suggested they should be punished and it did nothing to scare white women into voting against him. Pence feels that a fetus is a person for the purposes of burial. Women have already been jailed for “murder.” It’s not a stretch to believe that a GOP unbound from constraints will go for the jugular. After all, they”ve got 4 years to ensure that SCOTUS will agree with them for the next 30+ years.
re: #158 calochortus
Because we are all upset and depressed. And there is the Great Unknown looming ahead.
I feel it too, but after an entire morning of comforting my husband, having 2 friends call also in need of calming, and so many here ready to jump off a cliff, I’m burning out.
I hate that Trump won both because of the probable effects and because I hate what it says about this country. But, I just don’t see an option beyond feeling sick about it for 24 hours and then putting one foot in front of the other.If anyone has a better idea, please share.
Moar rum, then nap. Figure out what to do when I wake up.
My wife just left for the village hall, to help the clerk straighten out fouled up financial records submitted by the library board, and to help set up her new computer in the office.
re: #158 calochortus
But, I just don’t see an option beyond feeling sick about it for 24 hours and then putting one foot in front of the other.
Our choices are to move on and stop doing politics (like a lot of people in this country who only do politics once every four years) or move on and keep doing it. Most people got up this morning, either slightly cheered or slightly sighed, and got ready for the day.
re: #153 Targetpractice
25 Dems vs 8 Repubs in 2018. Short of a “wave” election, we’re actually set to lose even more ground in 2 years.
I suppose a lot depends on where those seats are located, but odds would favor the Dems losing seats.
Fuck balls.
re: #157 Anymouse
The European Union and Asia can tell the USA to piss off.
See also: renewed Cuba embargo.
Which would just sweeten the pot for some Trump supporters.
At the moment, some of you are determined to the worst possible future
You’re gonna have to get over that
History is on your side— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) November 9, 2016
re: #127 Ziggy_TARDIS
I hope things will eventually get better.
Of course they will.
For some values of “eventually”.
re: #162 Belafon
Our choices are to move on and stop doing politics (like a lot of people in this country who only do politics once every four years) or move on and keep doing it. Most people got up this morning, either slightly cheered or slightly sighed, and got ready for the day.
Most people don’t pay attention to what’s going on around them. I suspect Germany was very much like that in 1932 and 1933:
The average person didn’t know what was happening, and the Depression made it worse. Along comes a demagogue who says only he can save the society, he has all the answers, and he knows exactly what groups of people are causing society;s ills.
Sound familiar?
re: #159 Tigger2
It is saying
The deal “cannot be overturned by a single government”, Mr Rouhani said after it became clear that Donald Trump will be the next President of the US. If true, then that means that one of Mr Trump’s central campaign promises is already in peril.
I read that. My question is: if Trump says GFY and ratchets up the sanctions again, what can Iran do? (This was answered above).
re: #168 Mike Lamb
I read that. My question is: if Trump says GFY and ratchets up the sanctions again, what can Iran do? (This was answered above).
I hope he doesn’t make the mistake of going against our Allies to renew sanctions.
re: #165 Ziggy_TARDIS
This. I’m pissed but not despairing.
re: #146 Decatur Deb
The Democratic candidate for 2020 has a 2 percent lead.
(There were a bunch of us here.)
I know…trying to acknowledge those that made it known.
By the way…typing too fast again…I meant “a hollow acknowledgment.”
re: #120 Anymouse
You may recall that Newt Gingrich thought a new House Un-American Activities Committee would be necessary or at least a good thing to consider.
Who’s gonna play the part of Tailgunner Joe’s right-hand (and former Trump lawyer and party pal), the late Roy Cohn?
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re: #162 Belafon
Right. My Muslim Friends were defiant AF. Need to take from them here.
I have to admit I have succumbed to Trump derangement syndrome. Apart from the many disastrous policies, judicial picks and cabinet appointees he will subject this country to I just can’t stand the idea of him swanking about the White House gloating, preening and gold-leafing everything in sight.
I generally try to avoid ill-wishing people but seriously, I want some serious health malady to pop up for him that makes it impossible for him to experience a single day in office. I’m not proud of it, but that’s honestly where I am.
A guy at the stock exchange just said repealing Obamacare would be great for the drug companies. That’s telling.
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) November 9, 2016
re: #167 Anymouse
Most people don’t pay attention to what’s going on around them. I suspect Germany was very much like that in 1932 and 1933:
The average person didn’t know what was happening, and the Depression made it worse. Along comes a demagogue who says only he can save the society, he has all the answers, and he knows exactly what groups of people are causing society;s ills.
Sound familiar?
There are parallels, though they didn’t have a history lesson to work from. I’m not sure what the opposition was like at that time, but we’re here. One of the things we can do is change people’s minds, as much as we can. If nothing else, get more people involved, especially in two years.
re: #137 lawhawk
And none of that mattered. Because at the end of the day, Trump’s voters didn’t want to vote for a woman. Trump’s voters didn’t want to vote for the candidate who supports equal rights and protections, but rather a return to the 1950s and segregation/racial profiling and eliminating affirmative action and the CRA/VRA.
They want to roll back the safety net.
That’s what Trump and the GOP promised.
Trump got a few hundred thousand fewer votes than Romney. A million fewer than McCain.
Hillary got 10 million fewer than 2008 Obama, 6 million fewer than 2012 Obama.
Trump’s voters are exactly who the Republicans have been for a generation. I blame this debacle on the lazy-ass, instant gratification, fuck you my pony didn’t have sparkly-enough ribbons, segment of the Obama voters.
With a heavy assist from the VRA-killing Supremes and the ratings-above-journalism media.
Lre: #174 Ziggy_TARDIS
Right. My Muslim Friends were defiant AF. Need to take from them here.
Proud of ya. I feel the same after seeing how my SIL’s family is taking it. I’m angry but I’m not giving up.
Just couple of happy little thoughts about the election: Just think of all of the shite Paul Ryan’s going to have to eat, and all those pained expressions from the talking heads as they come to grips with the monster they partially helped create.
Reminder: Donald Trump said that, if he won, his political opponent would be imprisoned
— Max Fisher (@Max_Fisher) November 9, 2016
If I was Hillary Clinton, I’d be getting plastic surgery, new papers, and meeting a shady boat a midnight down in the harbor https://t.co/1q2nDm2IP1
— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) November 9, 2016
re: #176 KerFuFFler
I have to admit I have succumbed to Trump derangement syndrome. Apart from the many disastrous policies, judicial picks and cabinet appointees he will subject this country to I just can’t stand the idea of him swanking about the White House gloating, preening and gold-leafing everything in sight.
I generally try to avoid ill-wishing people but seriously, I want some serious health malady to pop up for him that makes it impossible for him to experience a single day in office. I’m not proud of it, but that’s honestly where I am.
I’m with you to an extent. He should have been an historical footnote; instead he’s indelibly etched into our history (hopefully as a 1 term president). And to top it off, we’re going to hear about the “Trump Effect” re: polling for the next 30 years.
re: #179 sagehen
You pretty much nailed it here.
So many evanelicals gloating over the Trump win…don’t they know Jesus would tear a strip off Trump for all the shit he’s done???
re: #167 Anymouse
Most people don’t pay attention to what’s going on around them. I suspect Germany was very much like that in 1932 and 1933:
The average person didn’t know what was happening, and the Depression made it worse. Along comes a demagogue who says only he can save the society, he has all the answers, and he knows exactly what groups of people are causing society;s ills.
Sound familiar?
The only real major difference is we’re not in the midst of a massive depression, we’ve not dealing with a country that is at rock bottom, with people needing a wheelbarrow of dollars to afford a loaf of bread. We can take some heart that people will feel financially secure enough now that Trump fucking with social issues will rankle them. That if the economy takes a dive it will drag him along with it. But that’s not going to do much for the damage he can do while he’s still got Congress in his back pocket.
We can perhaps take small consolation in the fact that the time between today and inauguration will likely be spent lowering expectations on Trump’s ‘first day’ agenda. Note the story above about the Iran deal.
And Trump’s image of not being an elite is going to get a little scuffed as well. Note the earlier story about his considering a Goldman Sachs exec as Secretary of the Treasury. He’ll largely appoint cronies, but I’d be willing to bet that many of them will be from sectors he railed against in the campaign. Trump voters are going to need to square that circle, and it will be our obligation to point these things out to them.
Wild cards abound. Trump’s agenda is on a head-on crash course with reality. Where FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) has been our enemy for the past 18 months, maybe we can leverage it to work for us for a change.
It’s a long shot. But people who have elected candidates who they considered to be good conservatives at the time of their election, only to turn on them and primary them one election later, could actually turn on the person whom today they consider to be their savior - especially when it turns out that he’s got feet of clay just like everyone else they first agreed with and later turned on.
Just spit-balling here. If Trump voters are motivated by fear and revenge, maybe it wouldn’t be a bad idea to point out every single detail of Trump’s betrayal as it happens.
re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg
So many evanelicals gloating over the Trump win…don’t they know Jesus would tear a strip off Trump for all the shit he’s done???
And most likely a lot of them
@THESagerbomb @myronfalwell problem is, a LOT of women voted for Trump in order for what happened to happen. That’s a bigger shame!
— 216 All Win (@Oltjon_Mema) November 9, 2016
re: #187 Targetpractice
The only real major difference is we’re not in the midst of a massive depression, we’ve not dealing with a country that is at rock bottom, with people needing a wheelbarrow of dollars to afford a loaf of bread. We can take some heart that people will feel financially secure enough now that Trump fucking with social issues will rankle them. That if the economy takes a dive it will drag him along with it. But that’s not going to do much for the damage he can do while he’s still got Congress in his back pocket.
Trump may be the first president to cause a depression before he actually enters office, see the stock market for details there, along with the collapsing dollar.
As we plunge into whatever war and economic catastrophe awaits us, I hope that everyone really enjoyed reading those banal fucking emails.
— Amanda Marcotte (@AmandaMarcotte) November 9, 2016
This right here. https://t.co/7Vh7Z3Lo12
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) November 9, 2016
re: #81 Anymouse
re: #91 Anymouse
Which one of these do you believe? They run counter to each other. If the answer to turning Nebraska blue is ‘show up’, can I direct you to your second post where nothing a Democrat will promise would be accepted? If a Democrat showed up promising RFRA, unrestricted firearms, abortion restrictions…what’s the point?
Also, googling to see if Clinton ever made it to Nebraska, she made a stop in August, and Bernie made one a week ago on her behalf. She had two offices in…Omaha? And your district was gerrymandered after Obama won it in 2008 so that it wouldn’t go Dem again. I mean, that’s not going to change unless your demographics change, and like I said a couple of days ago, us coastal elites can’t move to your state to fix it. Heck, I don’t want to be in my own state right now, much less move further inland.
I agree, problems, no 50 state strategy. I counter that the election was not previously a 50 state race
re: #182 Thanos
Just couple of happy little thoughts about the election: Just think of all of the shite Paul Ryan’s going to have to eat, and all those pained expressions from the talking heads as they come to grips with the monster they partially helped create.
The talking heads today refuse to acknowledge any part they had in Iraq, they’ve put all the blame on Dubya and insisted they were just as much victims of his lies as the American people were. They have the ability to edit their memories in real time, such that they honestly believe things that were never true, like Morning Joke telling themselves that they never supported Trump. So don’t expect any sort of self-reflection or embarrassment on their parts, because if they were capable of that, Trump would not have gotten as far as he has.
re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg
So many evanelicals gloating over the Trump win…don’t they know Jesus would tear a strip off Trump for all the shit he’s done???
The Evangelicals would be the first that Jesus drives out of the temple.
re: #87 HappyWarrior
Sigh I like Senator Warren but I can’t accept this rhetoric after how they treated Obama who unlike Trump didn’t run a nasty campaign. And how Trump vowed to put Clinton in jail. If that me a hypocrite, so be it but I have no desire to help Trump.
Pres Obama can pardon her as he’s walking out the door. Put a stop to all that BS.
re: #192 Bass Reeves
I think I see his point in the long term though. We isolated ourselves out on the coasts.
re: #176 KerFuFFler
It’s not Trump Derangement Syndrome if his policies will literally destroy lives.
The GOP are going to repeal Obamacare. They’re going to keep gutting the Voting Rights Act. They’re going to look for ways to overturn gay marriage, force military LGBT back in the closet, mandate conversion therapy for LGBT kids, destroy public education, and roll back every bit of social progress we’ve made since the end of Jim Crow.
We are screwed as a country because White America decided that POC and LGBT don’t matter. And because more successful whites decided that the working class doesn’t matter.
Earlier someone posted an image of high school kids walking out of their classes. I believe it was in Berkeley California. I was watching a bit of Thomas Roberts report on MSNBC after their coverage of Obama and Clinton’s speeches and they showed video of a group of kids in Seattle doing the same.
Looks like the liberal folks on the west coast have some kids that are prepared to take this crap on. I hope the best for those kids getting active and who knows, maybe in the future a new progressive movement comes from them.
I hope they don’t all get tossed in jail for this action.
re: #196 Ziggy_TARDIS
No, not really. Can’t build cities on the farmland. I’m guessing Cleveland and Omaha have the same kind of people like Los Angeles and Atlanta, but if they all moved to the rural area, how?
re: #197 Lidane
It’s not Trump Derangement Syndrome if his policies will literally destroy lives.
The GOP are going to repeal Obamacare. They’re going to keep gutting the Voting Rights Act. They’re going to look for ways to overturn gay marriage, force military LGBT back in the closet, mandate conversion therapy for LGBT kids, destroy public education, and roll back every bit of social progress we’ve made since the end of Jim Crow.
We are screwed as a country because White America decided that POC and LGBT don’t matter. And because more successful whites decided that the working class doesn’t matter.
Basically every time over the last 8 years when a Republican has come up with something that made us slap our foreheads and wonder how the fuck they have the brain power to get out of bed in the morning, those are the ideas that are now going to get serious consideration. Like all those bills set up to sell off national park land to private interests for “exploration”? Those are a done deal, you can expect to start hearing about exploration for uranium mining at the Grand Canyon in the next 4 years.
re: #195 leftynyc
Pres Obama can pardon her as he’s walking out the door. Put a stop to all that BS.
She’d have to admit the wrongdoing though.
re: #176 KerFuFFler
I have to admit I have succumbed to Trump derangement syndrome. Apart from the many disastrous policies, judicial picks and cabinet appointees he will subject this country to I just can’t stand the idea of him swanking about the White House gloating, preening and gold-leafing everything in sight.
I generally try to avoid ill-wishing people but seriously, I want some serious health malady to pop up for him that makes it impossible for him to experience a single day in office. I’m not proud of it, but that’s honestly where I am.
Well, it’s not like we’ve seen his medical records. (Oz Mehmet doesn’t count.)
re: #193 Targetpractice
The talking heads today refuse to acknowledge any part they had in Iraq, they’ve put all the blame on Dubya and insisted they were just as much victims of his lies as the American people were. They have the ability to edit their memories in real time, such that they honestly believe things that were never true, like Morning Joke telling themselves that they never supported Trump. So don’t expect any sort of self-reflection or embarrassment on their parts, because if they were capable of that, Trump would not have gotten as far as he has.
Highly valid point you have there.
Again, I’m cool with Anymouse and I agree with the larger point that we need to get everywhere. I just don’t think it logical to think that was the solution before last night. I don’t see Hillary making 20 trips to Nebraska and getting a single electoral vote, because guns, abortions, muslims.
re: #122 Lidane
They’re already set to repeal Obamacare.
They’ll defund Planned Parenthood. Find a way to overturn gay marriage, overturn DADT, and mandate conversion therapy for LGBT kids.
We’re in for a long, national Republican nightmare. They’ve got the Presidency, the House, the Senate, and they’ll have a conservative majority on the Court, too. We’re fucked.
We just have to find a way to hold together, and fund things we find important. Around here (and it looks like with Hispanics), abortion played a large role in this. People believe all the fear rhetoric.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think part of the reason we lost is that Hillary was pushed too far to the left. She is, at heart, a centrist. The so called “professional left” never bought into her as a super progressive. Many of them probably stayed home or voted third party and she lost the more conservative blue collar D vote.
As much as we might not want to hear it, this is still a fairly conservative country. You only have to look at the state governments, and the turn out in mid term elections.
We have made a lot of progress over the last 8 years, but apparently it was not enough, or not fast enough for some. Incrementalism is dead.
Again, I reiterate; this is only one small part of the reason but I think being authentic and true to your self is always best.
To those who believe Bernie would have won, I just don’t see that happening. I think a Trump victory was in the cards after the republican party could not/would not stop him.
If there is one main entity to blame here, it belongs to the republican party. But fracturing of the Dems did not help.
re: #194 Myron Falwell (no relation)
The Evangelicals would be the first that Jesus drives out of the temple.
Or cast to the far ends of the world unable to speak to each other for attempting to build a tower to heaven, or something like that.
re: #155 Mike Lamb
And the recourse for Iran is what?
The real question is what is our recourse against Iran? Iran already dismantled its nuclear program, and Trump won’t be able to get the rest of the world to sign back up for sanctions against Iran. What’s he going to do, demand Iran give the $150 bn back?
re: #192 Bass Reeves
Which one of these do you believe? They run counter to each other. If the answer to turning Nebraska blue is ‘show up’, can I direct you to your second post where nothing a Democrat will promise would be accepted? If a Democrat showed up promising RFRA, unrestricted firearms, abortion restrictions…what’s the point?
Also, googling to see if Clinton ever made it to Nebraska, she made a stop in August, and Bernie made one a week ago on her behalf. She had two offices in…Omaha? And your district was gerrymandered after Obama won it in 2008 so that it wouldn’t go Dem again. I mean, that’s not going to change unless your demographics change, and like I said a couple of days ago, us coastal elites can’t move to your state to fix it. Heck, I don’t want to be in my own state right now, much less move further inland.
I agree, problems, no 50 state strategy. I counter that the election was not previously a 50 state race
Two offices in Omaha, four hundred fifty miles away.
Way back in August she made one stop, and Bernie made one stop, both in “you guessed it,” Omaha.
Omaha is not the whole state. Neither supported our one Democratic representative (from Omaha), who has now been ousted from the House.
No other surrogates, nothing around here representing a ground game except me chatting up my neighbours, &c.
Yup, to a million and a half people in Nebraska it sure didn’t look like the Democrats gave a crap. There was a Republican speaker in every district just about every week of the election.
I had to put up with during the Memorial Day remembrance here in our village cemetery a wingnut bashing on about the bathroom law in North Carolina rather than the solemnity of Memorial Day for our main speaker. The GOP here offered him up for free, the village board was appalled afterward, but the damage was done.
As for my gerrymandered district, the one the Democrats should have one here (NE-2) the national party did not support, and our incumbent Democrat was ousted by a wingnut every bit as bad as Steve King across the river in Iowa.
Boy there were a lot of rallies for Clinton in major cities and nice places though.
Trump waded through a corn field in Iowa. Clinton or her surrogates couldn’t be bothered.
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re: #207 blueraven
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think part of the reason we lost is that Hillary was pushed too far to the left. She is, at heart, a centrist. The so called “profession left” never bought into her as a super progressive. Many of them probably stayed home or voted third party and she lost the more conservative blue collar D vote.
As much as we might not want to hear it, this is still a fairly conservative country. You only have to look at the state governments, and the turn out in mid term elections.
We have made a lot of progress over the last 8 years, but apparently it was not enough, or not fast enough for some. Incrementalism is dead.
Again, I reiterate; this is only one small part of the reason but I think being authentic and true to your self is always best.
To those who believe Bernie would have won, I just don’t see that happening. I think a Trump victory was in the cards after the republican party could not/would not stop him.
If there is one main entity to blame here, it belongs to the republican party. But fracturing of the Dems did not help.
I can’t really buy this. Which of her policies could be characterized as much more than center-left?
re: #199 ObserverArt
Earlier someone posted an image of high school kids walking out of their classes. I believe it was in Berkeley California. I was watching a bit of Thomas Roberts report on MSNBC after their coverage of Obama and Clinton’s speeches and they showed video of a group of kids in Seattle doing the same.
Looks like the liberal folks on the west coast have some kids that are prepared to take this crap on. I hope the best for those kids getting active and who knows, maybe in the future a new progressive movement comes from them.
I hope they don’t all get tossed in jail for this action.
In Berkeley? No way.
re: #205 Bass Reeves
Again, I’m cool with Anymouse and I agree with the larger point that we need to get everywhere. I just don’t think it logical to think that was the solution before last night. I don’t see Hillary making 20 trips to Nebraska and getting a single electoral vote, because guns, abortions, muslims.
The big question as always is how do we show respect to voters who are hostile to much of our agenda. I live in a state and county that went for Clinton but my area is red and my state senator is Dick Black. Voters out here are hostile to the idea of all people regardless of citizenship being treated with respect in our country. I do understand AM’s frustration about the Dem Party honchos ignoring his region, believe me no one used to come to Va really but you have to build locally too. We not the DNC need to tell our right wing neighbors there’s a better way but as I say that’s more easier said than done. A father of a family friend referred to the ACLU as the American Criminal Liberties Union.
re: #197 Lidane
Semi-ironic - His gutting of medicare (ala vouchers) will most likely lead to earlier deaths of Old White People.
His tax cuts will hurt middle class white people.
Tarriff trade wars if implemented wold hurt those same people.
In fact, most of these policies will hurt the people who voted him.
And bring there premature deaths.
They will blame others of course.
But only themselves to blame.
re: #207 blueraven
I kind of think she’s more left than a lot of people admit. She went undercover in the early 70s. That’s not a centrists action. But, I know people were worried she would go toward the center, and she knew she couldn’t afford to lose them either.
re: #205 Bass Reeves
Again, I’m cool with Anymouse and I agree with the larger point that we need to get everywhere. I just don’t think it logical to think that was the solution before last night. I don’t see Hillary making 20 trips to Nebraska and getting a single electoral vote, because guns, abortions, muslims.
So you’re opposed to a fifty state strategy then. When do you want to start campaigning in all fifty states?
We didn’t even have a bloody newspaper advert for the entire election season from Democrats here. Nothing.
Any day you want to start that fifty state strategy is fine with me, until then keep campaigning in safe states like Vermont and Illinois.
We hear a lot about city elites and maybe there’s some validity to it but I think a lot of people hate on urbanites without understanding their values too. I’m often proud to say I grew up in a diverse area. Call me a snob but being able to deal with many people of many cultural backgrounds has enriched me and how I view the world.
re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg
Actually, the election reminds me of Bart v. Lisa Simpson. The nation (school) voted for Bart because he was a literal bomb thrower (slingshot) who couldn’t be bothered with details or facts, but had one-liners everyone remembers.
Lisa is the girl who knows everything - the ins and outs of policy and politics, and gets derided and chastised.
re: #219 lawhawk
Actually, the election reminds me of Bart v. Lisa Simpson. The nation (school) voted for Bart because he was a literal bomb thrower (slingshot) who couldn’t be bothered with details or facts, but had one-liners everyone remembers.
Lisa is the girl who knows everything - the ins and outs of policy and politics, and gets derided and chastised.
More absestoes! That was actually Bart and Martin tho.
re: #216 Belafon
I kind of think she’s more left than a lot of people admit. She went undercover in the early 70s. That’s not a centrists action. But, I know people were worried she would go toward the center, and she knew she couldn’t afford to lose them either.
Oh come on. That is compassion and social justice that the Democratic party is based upon. She lived and breathed it. This is not the left of the party today.
Congratulations to President Elect Donald Trump. I look forward to working with all those elected for limited, constitutional government
— Dr. Rand Paul (@RandPaul) November 9, 2016
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— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) November 9, 2016
re: #215 dlnathan
Semi-ironic - His gutting of medicare (ala vouchers) will most likely lead to earlier deaths of Old White People.
His tax cuts will hurt middle class white people.
Tarriff trade wars if implemented wold hurt those same people.
In fact, most of these policies will hurt the people who voted him.
And bring there premature deaths.
They will blame others of course.
But only themselves to blame.
They would still vote GOP even if all of that descended upon them.
It’s a pure generational gap.
re: #213 Snarknado!
In Berkeley? No way.
That bit about jail…it was a bad joke.
Maybe not Berkeley tossing them in jail, but a federal action to make the schools and parents pay for such an act.
Just riffing on possibilities in the new fascist America. California will be a target. The conservatives would love to mess with California which they see as a hotbed of liberal America they would love to change one way or another.
re: #219 lawhawk
Actually, the election reminds me of Bart v. Lisa Simpson. The nation (school) voted for Bart because he was a literal bomb thrower (slingshot) who couldn’t be bothered with details or facts, but had one-liners everyone remembers.
Lisa is the girl who knows everything - the ins and outs of policy and politics, and gets derided and chastised.
re: #220 HappyWarrior
More absestoes! That was actually Bart and Martin tho.
And Martin Prince STILL won by only two votes cast. Bart forgot to cast a ballot for himself.
re: #212 Mike Lamb
I can’t really buy this. Which of her policies could be characterized as much more than center-left?
Look at the Dem platform.
re: #101 Charles Johnson
Yea bc racism and misogyny are a hell of a mix.
re: #202 Nyet
She’d have to admit the wrongdoing though.
I don’t remember nixon admitting wrongdoing. But I was only 13 when he resigned.
Some years ago when I first had time to read here after a friend told me about this blog there were posters here and on many other internet blogs who wrote real bad things about things like immigration, unions, and Democrats.
It took me a long time to join in and get an ID here and longer to post.
So busy at work and school little time to post and only a little time to read.
Very shocked at what happened yesterday. Then I thought back to those posters like Iron Fist, Real West and his crazy side kick taxfree something. It is very sad as they seem to have won the day if only for the next four years.
I know they are likely still out there spreading their evil words.
Hope we can find a way to end it all soon.
Now back to the next 8 to 10 hour shift fixing things for the well off of Dallas.
re: #202 Nyet
She’d have to admit the wrongdoing though.
This is what the NY Times has to say on the matter of admitting anything when it came to Ford’s pardon of Nixon:
Mr. Nixon, in San Clemente, Calif., accepted the pardon, which exempts him from indictment and trial for, among other things, his role in the cover-up of the Watergate burglary. He issued a statement saying that he could now see he was “wrong in not acting more decisively and more forthrightly in dealing with Watergate.”
‘Act of Mercy’
Phillip W. Buchen, the White House counsel, who advised Mr. Ford on the legal aspects of the pardon, said the “act of mercy” on the President’s part was done without making any demands on Mr. Nixon and without asking the advice of the Watergate special prosecutor, Leon Jaworski, who had the legal responsibility to prosecute the case.
The pollsters lied. They knew Trump was polling better than what they spun - absofreakinglootley - and a lot of voters stayed home because they thought it was, like so totally, in the bag for Clinton. Ha flippin’ ha on you lying media pollster asshats. You did yourselves in. Shouldn’t ever lie. And stuff. Like I said, I’m not just saying, I’m saying, like I said. And stuff.
I didn’t vote. I’m a truck driver and got stuck in Cal and didn’t make it back to WI in time to vote but I woul have pulled the lever for one Donaldus Johannes Trumparius Augustus.
re: #234 Fartful Dodger
But you are just in time to go fuck yourself.
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
