New From Keith Olbermann: The Surprisingly Easy Way to Get Rid of Donald Trump
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How to remove a maniac president from office—without having to get Congress to impeach him.
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Won’t happen. If someone tried to remove him (and the amendment requires that the majority of cabinet members that Trump himself nominates say he is unable to hold the office), there would be a revolt.
To Mr. Trump’s supporters, it would look like a coup.
“Nemesis” is another word that apparently has lost all meaning…
Trump nemesis Mark Cuban quietly meets with Steve Bannon: https://t.co/xRiPAas9aV pic.twitter.com/SzkacmECYC
— The Hill (@thehill) November 23, 2016
We are too good for this president! Watching him joke about how he’s going to keep pardoning turkeys every year even when he’s not POTUS.
Cooked to perfection.
Photo credit: Lindsay Eisbrenner pic.twitter.com/qVrD0G9aut— GLOCK Inc. (@GLOCKInc) November 16, 2016
And people wonder why so many gun-humpers shoot themselves when cleaning their weapons. https://t.co/Dew4OpuI4L
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 23, 2016
Not. Gonna. Happen.
As much as Trump is going to limp along, the GOP doesn’t want to risk raising the ire of the core supporters who voted Trump in the first place. It would take something spectacularly awful for them to consider otherwise.
And it would still rely on Democrats going along with this shit show to make happen.
2/3 majority in both the House and Senate.
That would mean something like 15 Democrats in the Senate would have to go along with this.
It would mean 53 Democrats in the House would have to go along with this.
Who wants to see Pence as Acting President?
re: #5 lawhawk
Not. Gonna. Happen.
As much as Trump is going to limp along, the GOP doesn’t want to risk raising the ire of the core supporters who voted Trump in the first place. It would take something spectacularly awful for them to consider otherwise.
And it would still rely on Democrats going along with this shit show to make happen.
2/3 majority in both the House and Senate.
That would mean something like 15 Democrats in the Senate would have to go along with this.
It would mean 53 Democrats in the House would have to go along with this.
Who wants to see Pence as Acting President?
Pence will be de facto President in any case.
re: #5 lawhawk
As much as a disaster the incoming minority president is, I absolutely do not want the Democrats to side with the Republicans in an impeachment, and not just because of Governor Pence.
I want the GOP to be saddled with Mr. Trump for his entire term. Unless he actually does something impeachable (high crimes and misdemeanours) I want the Democrats to daily remind the GOP “he’s your guy, you deal with him.”
#GOP:🖕Pres. Elect #PussyGrabber:🖕#bigots & #racists:🖕My dad put his ass on the line in WWII for ALL Americans, including Muslims, so🖕off.
— CuriousLurker (@CuriousLurker) November 23, 2016
Valor does not discriminate.🙏🏻⛩⛪🙏🏼☪☯♿✋🏼✋🏽✋🏾✋🏿 https://t.co/NCL02Lrcnz
— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) November 23, 2016
LOL! Yeah, me and rape apologist @Cernovich, we’re like *this*.
They’ll never get over losing me. pic.twitter.com/NinxH0bShG— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 23, 2016
re: #8 Anymouse
As much as a disaster the incoming minority president is, I absolutely do not want the Democrats to side with the Republicans in an impeachment, and not just because of Governor Pence.
I want the GOP to be saddled with Mr. Trump for his entire term. Unless he actually does something impeachable (high crimes and misdemeanours) I want the Democrats to daily remind the GOP “he’s your guy, you deal with him.”
If we can really minimize the rise of white supremacists then yes, I want people to see Democrats fighting for them against the crap Republicans are going to try to pull.
I’m considering the possibility that the GOP Congress - which is really the only institution that can apparently stop the already-festering Trump Kleptocracy - may be essentially giving him “enough rope”. The idea would be to let him go ahead and become as corrupt as possible without criticizing him or trying to stop him. Then, if he starts getting out of line, they’ll have a nice dataset for Articles of Impeachment.
Remember, he’s starting out historically unpopular, and even though his popularity is rising now because a lot of people are tempted to cut him slack, that new popularity is very fragile. Most people have a particular picture of him in their minds, and if he acts according to it, he’ll STAY historically unpopular.
re: #5 lawhawk
Not. Gonna. Happen.
I agree, very unlikely this will happen. But I hadn’t heard about this particular provision before and thought it was an interesting take.
Mike Pence as president. Hard to know which is worse, an unpredictable narcissistic egomaniac, or a hard right social conservative.
But I doubt Pence would push the red button just because Vladimir Putin said something nasty about his hair.
If Pence makes a move like this, I’d expect it to be after January 20, 2018. The reason? If you serve as acting president for more than half a term that someone else was elected to serve, you can only seek reelection once. By waiting until halfway through Trump’s term, Pence could, theoritically, serve as president for ten years (minus one day)
re: #17 Charles Johnson
I agree, very unlikely this will happen. But I hadn’t heard about this particular provision before and thought it was an interesting take.
Mike Pence as president. Hard to know which is worse, an unpredictable narcissistic egomaniac, or a hard right social conservative.
But I doubt Pence would push the red button just because Vladimir Putin said something nasty about his hair.
At least Governor Pence knows how government works. I’m sure he would be just as socially conservative as he has been in Indiana (he just appointed as a judge a person who has never practised law and who owns a Sylvan Learning Center franchise), but I am guessing we can survive that more easily than Mr. Trump asking why we cant send the Sixth Fleet against Bulgaria.
re: #5 lawhawk
That’s the rub. If there was a way to impeach Trump but leave him in office so that Pence isn’t President, that would be the way to go. But no, this country cannot survive a raging Christianist running things (although I assume that’s what will happen anyways).
re: #18 Blind Frog Belly White
“You’re always gonna have a problem, trying to move a body in one piece….”
My favorite movie goes back and forth between Snatch and Almost Famous. There are so many great scenes in Snatch that I can probably quote 2/3 of the movie from memory
re: #21 Patricia Kayden
That’s the rub. If there was a way to impeach Trump but leave him in office so that Pence isn’t President, that would be the way to go. But no, this country cannot survive a raging Christianist running things (although I assume that’s what will happen anyways).
Implicating Pence in whatever illegal activity Trump was involved in would be one way (I could see something like both signing off on torture being a way to do this)… but that’d just leave us with President Paul Ryan.
re: #21 Patricia Kayden
That’s the rub. If there was a way to impeach Trump but leave him in office so that Pence isn’t President, that would be the way to go. But no, this country cannot survive a raging Christianist running things (although I assume that’s what will happen anyways).
Well, when Congress went after President Nixon, they went after Vice-President Agnew first.
In the meantime, there is this little nugget from yesterday:
“I’d rather do the popular vote,” Trump says. “I think we’d do as well or better.” Says he was “never a fan of the electoral college.”
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 22, 2016
re: #22 KGxvi
My favorite movie goes back and forth between Snatch and Almost Famous. There are so many great scenes in Snatch that I can probably quote 2/3 of the movie from memory
Like “Protection? Who from? Zee Germans?”
or,
“What, proper fucked?”
@ZeddRebel
To be fair, not all are literal Nazis. Kellyanne is being ironic and Kushner only dresses up as one for sexytime with ivanka.— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 23, 2016
re: #25 Blind Frog Belly White
Like “Protection? Who from? Zee Germans?”
or,
“What, proper fucked?”
“How them sausages coming?”
“Five minutes, Turkish.”
“It was two minutes, five minutes ago.”
Stop harassing and threatening innocent people, you delusional #Pizzagate assholes. https://t.co/TMZwU6MEkU
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 23, 2016
Here’s an argument for having Pence in place of Trump: We, the people, would be less distracted by Trump’s outlandishness. Pence would be pure Republicans shit, but there wouldn’t be a sign above it saying “Look at me.”
re: #24 Anymouse
Trump has said on several occasions that if it had been a PV vote instead of EC, he’d have campaigned harder in NY, CA, etc.
(a) I wonder where he thinks he’d have found two million more votes? It’s not like voters in NY and CA and other non-swing states didn’t show up anyway. We had near-record turnout in most counties here in upstate NY, including the low-density rural and exurban red ones that went most strongly Trump. There just aren’t enough more votes out there to have made a difference for him.
(b) Does he think that if he’d changed strategy to campaign harder in big-population states that Hillary wouldn’t have followed suit?
Long-stalled Trump building project gets permit days after call with Argentina’s president: https://t.co/cwn6FCKVqJ pic.twitter.com/41pZf8vfz1
— The Hill (@thehill) November 23, 2016
I’m with saddling Republicans with every single Trumpian loony bin activity on display. Let them OWN EVERYTHING that’s coming- the authoritarian anti-press tweets, the insane amount of publicly right-in-your-face cronyism and graft, the explosion of the budget deficit all over again due to insane income tax cuts and wealth tax elimination for primarily the richest, the very possible major war activity that is to come within 6 months of the inauguration , etc etc etc.
MAKE THEM OWN IT ALL.
re: #27 KGxvi
“How them sausages coming?”
“Five minutes, Turkish.”
“It was two minutes, five minutes ago.”
“Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels” is also a blast!
“I ‘ate these fucking Norvern monkeys!”
re: #29 Belafon
Here’s an argument for having Pence in place of Trump: We, the people, would be less distracted by Trump’s outlandishness. Pence would be pure Republicans shit, but there wouldn’t be a sign above it saying “Look at me.”
An argument for keeping Trump where he is: utter incompetence and a staff in constant turmoil. What can get done?
Sometimes I troll hashtags like #Pizzagate just to get some of the worst assholes to come at me so I can block them. And they do. Oh boy, do they ever.
Wingnut royalty Betsy DeVos nominated to be secretary of education. (She married Amway billionaire…daughter of co-founder of the anti GLBT Family Research Council Edgar Prince and her brother Eric Prince founded mercenary company Blackwater)
re: #37 allegro
An argument for keeping Trump where he is: utter incompetence and a staff in constant turmoil. What can get done?
A lot at the cabinet level where the looting will happen out of sight.
re: #41 Scottishdragon
A lot at the cabinet level where the looting will happen out of sight.
That will be different with Pence?
Stonekettle made Raw Story but not for a good reason.
Facebook bans retired Navy officer for criticizing ‘actual f*cking Nazis’ https://t.co/px1qJiBHPC pic.twitter.com/aMsnZ7rfTy
— Raw Story (@RawStory) November 23, 2016
re: #39 Charles Johnson
Sometimes I troll hashtags like #Pizzagate just to get some of the worst assholes to come at me so I can block them. And they do. Oh boy, do they ever.
You’re a braver man than I, I don’t do Twitter in part of the psychotic assholes.
re: #21 Patricia Kayden
That’s the rub. If there was a way to impeach Trump but leave him in office so that Pence isn’t President, that would be the way to go. But no, this country cannot survive a raging Christianist running things (although I assume that’s what will happen anyways).
I believe that is the fundamentalist Christians’ end game.
No, I’m not going to click your link and read your moronic delusional “exposé” of #Pizzagate. I’m just going to block you.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 23, 2016
re: #43 gocart mozart
Stonekettle made Raw Story but not for a good reason.
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He’s only banned for 24 hours, though. Right wingers exploited Facebook’s automated spam reporting system.
re: #39 Charles Johnson
Sometimes I troll hashtags like #Pizzagate just to get some of the worst assholes to come at me so I can block them. And they do. Oh boy, do they ever.
I live in the South. There’s a pretty goo chance that doing that under my real name could result in physical harm to my person or property.
re: #40 Scottishdragon
Wingnut royalty Betsy DeVos nominated to be secretary of education. (She married Amway billionaire…daughter of co-founder of the anti GLBT Family Research Council Edgar Prince and her brother Eric Prince founded mercenary company Blackwater)
All the worst wingnut features wrapped up in one.
re: #22 KGxvi
Toss in Scent of a Woman and that’d be a great evening of movie watching.
re: #51 Sir John Barron
Is the pizza at #pizzagate any good?
Checked out the trending hashtag, sounds like some super duper awful wikileaks wingnut derp. Virtually unintelligible.
re: #47 Charles Johnson
That’s what I suspected. They send a swarm of goons to make numerous complaints and the algorithm automatically blocks you.
I think something similar happened to me with twitter a couple weeks ago. I got into an argument with a Nazi frog and responded to their vile shit with some strongly worded but clever and fair comments involving copulation with various members of the animal kingdom.
Twitter said I was blocked and in order to unblock I had to delete my offending tweets and they texted me a code to log back in. It’s like punching back at a bully and getting admonished by the teacher as the bully walks away laughing.
I could be wrong, but it wouldn’t shock me if Milo’s derpy sidekick “PizzaPartyBen” is one of, if not THE, guy behind #PizzaGate. Hell, @Jack is being deliberately targeted in this mess of stupidity.
It’s all meant to give Twitter another black eye in the court of public opinion.
re: #31 Charles Johnson
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The law is on his side. There are no conflicts of interest for the President.
TRUMP YOU AMERIKKKA!
Alcoholic. Wife Beater. White Supremacist. Nazi Sympathizer.
White House Chief Counsel pic.twitter.com/tpQMyNzDzU— Elliott Lusztig (@ezlusztig) November 22, 2016
Trump already trying to control Apple:
Trump says he talked to Tim Cook about building iPhones in the US
President-elect Donald Trump says he told Tim Cook in a phone call recently that he intends to get Apple to build its products in the US.
“I said, ‘Tim, you know one of the things that will be a real achievement for me is when I get Apple to build a big plant in the United States, or many big plants in the United States, where instead of going to China, and going to Vietnam, and going to the places that you go to, you’re making your product right here,’” Trump recounted during a wide-ranging interview with The New York Times yesterday.
Apple did not respond to a multiple requests for comment or confirmation that the call took place.
[…]
I wonder if Trump will try to up the pressure. It’s going to be quite the tug of war.
re: #24 Anymouse
Sure he would. But let’s play it out…let’s assume he could have made inroads in CA, NY, etc. I’m sure it’s totally unpossible that HRC could have made inroads in the deep south and the midwest, right?
re: #60 freetoken
Trump already trying to control Apple:
Trump says he talked to Tim Cook about building iPhones in the US
I wonder if Trump will try to up the pressure. It’s going to be quite the tug of war.
We will know when Apple starts building barracks for its worker brigades to sleep in between 16-hour shifts six days a week.
re: #60 freetoken
Trump already trying to control Apple:
Trump says he talked to Tim Cook about building iPhones in the US
I wonder if Trump will try to up the pressure. It’s going to be quite the tug of war.
I hope everyone enjoys their $2000 iPhones! /
re: #60 freetoken
Trump already trying to control Apple:
Trump says he talked to Tim Cook about building iPhones in the US
I wonder if Trump will try to up the pressure. It’s going to be quite the tug of war.
Unless Americans are willing to live in dorms and work 12 hour days for low pay, it won’t happen. No one wants to pay $2000 for a phone.
re: #63 No Depression
I hope everyone enjoys their $2000 iPhones! /
I was beaten to the punch again-but it is interesting that we came up with the same price for an iPhone.
re: #64 calochortus
Unless Americans are willing to live in dorms and work 12 hour days for low pay, …
That is the vision that Trump and his cronies have.
re: #61 Mike Lamb
Sure he would. But let’s play it out…let’s assume he could have made inroads in CA, NY, etc. I’m sure it’s totally unpossible that HRC could have made inroads in the deep south and the midwest, right?
Gee, imagine if you had to run a campaign to become President where every American voter had an equal say. You might actually go somewhere besides Ohio and Florida.
Ain’t that America …
“Well, we couldn’t use the N-word or tell rape jokes so we had no choice but to elect a nazi who lied to our faces daily.”
— William K. Wolfrum (@Wolfrum) November 23, 2016
re: #60 freetoken
Trump already trying to control Apple:
Trump says he talked to Tim Cook about building iPhones in the US
I wonder if Trump will try to up the pressure. It’s going to be quite the tug of war.
He knows it won’t happen. It’s all meant for his fellow Branch Trumpidians to boycott Apple and slander it endlessly on social media and elsewhere… just to knock down their reputation a peg or two.
Funny thing is, I believe Rush owns stock in Apple. Or he did once.
But emails?
Trump got paid $150,000 for a 21-minute video conference question and answer session with a Ukrainian oligarch. https://t.co/PzZrIqyYgu
— Gideon Resnick (@GideonResnick) November 23, 2016
re: #73 Kilroy was here
— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 21, 2016
Beyond business: Disgraced Theranos bloodied family, friends, neighbors
Future head of Trump’s FDA?
re: #47 Charles Johnson
He’s only banned for 24 hours, though. Right wingers exploited Facebook’s automated spam reporting system.
And as soon as he is back they can do it again.
re: #75 gocart mozart
But emails?
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The NYT has been the worst presenter of the “Clinton Rules” in that respect.
I don’t know if it was something personal or what, but the Times has spent 20 years on a witch hunt against both Bill and Hillary and managed to collect a scalp this time.
re: #79 Scottishdragon
The NYT has been the worst presenter of the “Clinton Rules” in that respect.
I don’t know if it was something personal or what, but the Times has spent 20 years on a witch hunt against both Bill and Hillary and managed to collect a scalp this time.
This is why I DETEST The Screw York Times.
re: #67 Blind Frog Belly White
Gee, imagine if you had to run a campaign to become President where every American voter had an equal say. You might actually go somewhere besides Ohio and Florida.
National Popular Vote Compact.
re: #81 Anymouse
I really don’t see the smaller/more conservative states signing on to that.
If you still have political signs in your yard on Thanksgiving you’re an asshole and your neighbors make fun of you behind your back.
— 0-Trubisky (@TheKardiacKid) November 23, 2016
re: #82 calochortus
I really don’t see the smaller/more conservative states signing on to that.
Probably not without a lot of pressure from voters. Smaller population states (like my own) enjoy the advantage the Electoral College gives them. The disadvantage is of course no one bothers to campaign in them.
re: #82 calochortus
I really don’t see the smaller/more conservative states signing on to that.
No, of course not. It would reduce their overrepresentation.
.@rtraister on “The Dirtbag Left” and the importance of identity politics https://t.co/05IEbX3yXR
— The Cut (@TheCut) November 23, 2016
A column that is sure to be very popular with everyone: https://t.co/xqQUNT5MwS
— Rebecca Traister (@rtraister) November 23, 2016
A great piece, right on the money. @rtraister https://t.co/plNcp9ueAe
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 23, 2016
re: #81 Anymouse
National Popular Vote Compact.
If we were ever to abolish the EC and move to a purely popular vote, then we have to make provisions for a run-off between the two top candidates if neither gets a majority.
First Past the Post is fine in a predominantly two-party system, but that system is not set in stone. Some day we could have a third-party candidate who gets 20 percent of the vote or more, and I do not want a President elected with less than 40%. Bad enough when we get one elected with less than 47%…
I don’t recall seeing this in the last few days, so this may be a repost, but I think it’s a great story.
Basically, despite the fact that the Wall Street Journal is generally an awful publication, it has done spectacular work in exposing the scam that was/is Theranos. Here’s the latest of John Carreyou’s articles.
You may not be able to click on the link and see the whole article, but if you Google “Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company—and His Family” and click on that link out of Google search, you should be able to see the whole thing. It’s worth the extra time. The focus of the article is Tyler Shultz, whose grandfather, the former US secretary of state George Shultz, was on the Theranos board of directors (and then moved to another board). The younger Shultz was employed by Theranos, but he ended up reporting the company to federal authorities and ultimately ended up being a confidential source for the Wall Street Journal. In the middle of all this, you’ve got shenanigans, such as lawyers deceiving an elderly man in order to serve his grandson with an injunction. It’s enough to make you go, “whaaaaaaa????”
OT, but note this :P
Sexism may be bad for men’s mental health
Original Paper Link: Meta-Analyses of the Relationship Between Conformity to Masculine Norms and Mental Health-Related Outcomes.
@owillis
I guess, accurately quoting a racist in the White House is worse than being a racist in the White House.— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 22, 2016
This is another perfect example of white supremacy. Justifying a man’s use of the N-word because he’s a virtuous democrat. Racist as fuck. https://t.co/AfLoH5Hifs
— FreeMilo (@kvg1988) November 23, 2016
@kvg1988
You think racist views and actions are fine so long as you avoid certain words. I thought you fucks hated political correctness.— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 23, 2016
re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White
No, of course not. It would reduce their overrepresentation.
Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina would be hardest hit.
I would be for keeping the EC but only as a backup to kick in if no candidate gets an uncontestable majority. That would not alter the outcome of elections like 2000 or 2016 but might be a step in the right direction.
I would also be for amending the EC so that electoral votes are based on actual population and not seats in Congress, but that is not at all likely to happen.
re: #43 gocart mozart
Facebook bans retired Navy officer for criticizing ‘actual f*cking Nazis’
Meanwhile, I report comments on news stories for using actual racial slurs and they tell me there’s no violation of their rules.
re: #87 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
If we were ever to abolish the EC and move to a purely popular vote, then we have to make provisions for a run-off between the two top candidates if neither gets a majority.
First Past the Post is fine in a predominantly two-party system, but that system is not set in stone. Some day we could have a third-party candidate who gets 20 percent of the vote or more, and I do not want a President elected with less than 40%. Bad enough when we get one elected with less than 47%…
Well, I am unsure how we could do worse than the national version of Paul LePage we just elected, but a run-off (or instant run-off) election to eliminate all but the top two would fix that.
On the other hand, the whigne from the third parties would be loud (but they whigne now so there is that).
The problem I find with run-off elections is you get results such as two people from the same political party.
@mattsheffield Er, anyone can *say* they’re Jewish. I think a little skepticism is in order here, unless someone goes on the record by name.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 23, 2016
Trump asked Ben Carson about HUD. Ben said he remembers the movie. Likes Paul Newman.
@mattsheffield The thing about white supremacists is that they often lie about things like this.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 23, 2016
Your vote really does count:
Rep. Lavar Christensen wins by three votes
LaVar Christensen, author of Utah’s now overturned ban on same-sex marriage and one of Capitol Hill’s most conservative voices, has won re-election by a margin of three votes out of 17,071 cast.
[…]
It’s the Utah legislature which is, of course, dominated by Republicans. But kicking this guy out would have been symbolic win.
3 votes. Surely there were 4 people in his district who didn’t like him but who simply blew off voting that day because it was inconvenient for them.
re: #87 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
If we were ever to abolish the EC and move to a purely popular vote, then we have to make provisions for a run-off between the two top candidates if neither gets a majority.
First Past the Post is fine in a predominantly two-party system, but that system is not set in stone. Some day we could have a third-party candidate who gets 20 percent of the vote or more, and I do not want a President elected with less than 40%. Bad enough when we get one elected with less than 47%…
Or write the law such that whoever gets the most votes wins. You could provide a run-off provision if the winner gets below a certain percentage.
re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I would be for keeping the EC but only as a backup to kick in if no candidate gets an uncontestable majority. That would not alter the outcome of elections like 2000 or 2016 but might be a step in the right direction.
I would also be for amending the EC so that electoral votes are based on actual population and not seats in Congress, but that is not at all likely to happen.
Well, the House is not sized in proportion to state population either. (Nebraska with 1,800,000 and three House seats vs. California with 37,250,000 people and fifty-three House seats, or Wyoming with Wyoming with 560,000 and one House seat). The GOP is not interested in straightening out representation in the US House either.
re: #95 Charles Johnson
No joke: One of the “hail Trump” guys is actually Jewish:
Charles Johnson
Er, anyone can *say* they’re Jewish. I think a little skepticism is in order here, unless someone goes on the record by
Wow, a false flag within a false flag…
only a mentat could figure it out…
re: #100 Anymouse
Well, the House is not sized in proportion to state population either. (Nebraska with 1,800,000 and three House seats vs. California with 37,250,000 people and fifty-three House seats, or Wyoming with Wyoming with 560,000 and one House seat). The GOP is not interested in straightening out representation in the US House either.
Nor are they interested in redistricting (or rather de-gerrymandering) so that the proportion of party representatives reflects the number of votes cast for that party.
re: #98 freetoken
Your vote really does count:
Rep. Lavar Christensen wins by three votes
It’s the Utah legislature which is, of course, dominated by Republicans. But kicking this guy out would have been symbolic win.
3 votes. Surely there were 4 people in his district who didn’t like him but who simply blew off voting that day because it was inconvenient for them.
In 2012, I won reëlection to my village board by four votes. (Granted there were fewer votes cast than Rep. Christensen’s district, but the principle is the same. The person who lost did not put as much effort into getting out the vote as I did.)
re: #96 nines09
Trump asked Ben Carson about HUD. Ben said he remembers the movie. Likes Paul Newman.
“That Newman had some great salad dressing, BUH-LEEVE ME!”
re: #102 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Nor are they interested in redistricting (or rather de-gerrymandering) so that the proportion of party representatives reflects the number of votes cast for that party.
Well after all - you wouldn’t want the opinion of the 5 residents of Bumfuck County Wyoming to be overridden by those of the 850,000 residents of San Francisco County California, would you?
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TheHill: Stein to file for recount in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvani
Former Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein intends to file for a recount in three states.
She plans to request a recount in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, her campaign said in a statement Wednesday.
“After a divisive and painful presidential race, reported hacks into voter and party databases and individual email accounts were causing many [Americans] to wonder if our election results are reliable,” Stein said in the statement. “These concerns need to be investigated before the 2016 presidential election is certified.”
Stein’s campaign claimed that some of the machines used in Wisconsin were banned in California due to vulnerability to hacking.
@mattsheffield To me, this looks like standard neo-Nazi disinformation. Since they haven’t gone on the record their claim can’t be checked.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 23, 2016
re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White
Or write the law such that whoever gets the most votes wins. You could provide a run-off provision if the winner gets below a certain percentage.
Again, that is fine with a predominantly two-party system, but we had a debacle like that in Arizona in the 80’s which resulted in a complete goombah, Even Mecham, a Pontiac dealer winning with a plurality because the Democratic vote was split by an independent candidate.
He was later impeached for crimes that were basically a reflection of his total incompetence and cluelessness about governing.
State law has since been amended to require a majority.
re: #106 Blind Frog Belly White
Well after all - you wouldn’t want the opinion of the 5 residents of Bumfuck County Wyoming to be overridden by those of the 850,000 residents of San Francisco County California, would you?
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Or even the five thousand in my own county. Isn’t there a clause in the Constitution that gives 3/5 person status to every steer in a county, so our half-million cattle in our county have proper representation?
re: #111 Anymouse
Or even the five thousand in my own county. Isn’t there a clause in the Constitution that gives 3/5 person status to every steer in a county, so our half-million cattle in our county have proper representation?
I think it is based on the number of tumbleweeds
Yeah, but then we’ll start counting cats. And you KNOW, no cat will accept 3/5 of a person status. 5/3 of a person, maybe.
The Ben Carson HUD thing is bugging me, like a magic trick where you know there’s an explanation but can’t figure out what it is.
— David S. Bernstein (@dbernstein) November 23, 2016
Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s true - just that it doesn’t smell right since they’re anonymous & Nazis lie. @CuriousLurker @mattsheffield
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 23, 2016
I wanna know what marketing ‘genius’ came up with the term ‘Fun Size’ for bite-sized Snickers bars.
You know what’s fun? A FULL SIZE Snickers bar.
re: #107 Archangelus
Wow, Dr. Stein filing for a recount comes out of left field; she has no chance of winning the Electoral College vote and she knows it.
The article cites her concern for the integrity of the vote; her Website has a fundraising page for acquiring the necessary funds.
It might be worthwhile for the Democratic Party to put a bunch of money into her bid, if it is legal for the party to do so.
re: #117 Anymouse
It might be worthwhile for the Democratic Party to put a bunch of money into her bid, if it is legal for the party to do so.
God forbid there should be a conflict of interest there…
re: #116 Blind Frog Belly White
I wanna know what marketing ‘genius’ came up with the term ‘Fun Size’ for bite-sized Snickers bars.
You know what’s fun? A FULL SIZE Snickers bar.
Fun size would be a ten-pound Snickers bar.
re: #119 Anymouse
Fun size would be a ten-pound Snickers bar.
“Never eat anything bigger than your head”
@mattsheffield No, but there are plenty of right wingers pretending this discredits the whole idea that NPI is a neo-Nazi org.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 23, 2016
re: #86 Charles Johnson
A great piece, right on the money. @rtraister
.@rtraister on “The Dirtbag Left” and the importance of identity politics https://t.co/05IEbX3yXR
— The Cut (@TheCut) November 23, 2016
…A column that is sure to be very popular with everyone: https://t.co/xqQUNT5MwS
— Rebecca Traister (@rtraister) November 23, 2016
My favorite part:
But what’s not funny about all this is that we are in a moment of national crisis, in which the developmental stage of the Dirtbag Left might be mistaken for a flash of political wisdom, when prioritization of the (yes, systemic) approaches to reducing racial, gender, and class inequality is most likely to be walked back in the name of distancing the party from the women and people of color who lost the election.
That bolded phrase will be handy in the coming days.
re: #107 Archangelus
TheHill: Stein to file for recount in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvani
Putin would probably love more than anything else a scenario in which Trump loses all three states due to recounts, this plunging us into a potential (in his mind) constitutional crisis.
Which is why he summoned his OTHER ally - Stein - into forcing the issue.
(Taking tinfoil hat off)
And here we go again, with a far left dirtbag smearing me with false claims that originated in the far right.
@Green_Footballs @rtraister you know you’ve hit a home run for marginalized groups when you are praised by a guy who inspired Breivik
— TroopsLover (@PhDdropout) November 23, 2016
re: #116 Blind Frog Belly White
I wanna know what marketing ‘genius’ came up with the term ‘Fun Size’ for bite-sized Snickers bars.
You know what’s fun? A FULL SIZE Snickers bar.
Here’s what you need:
The Ultimate Snickers Pie Recipe
the woman who helped code the software that got apollo 11 on the moon was awarded a medal of freedom today :) pic.twitter.com/M5ldeHwZct
— lena (@lenajfc) November 22, 2016
re: #123 Myron Falwell (no relation)
Putin would probably love more than anything else a scenario in which Trump loses all three states due to recounts, this plunging us into a potential (in his mind) constitutional crisis.
Which is why he summoned his OTHER ally - Stein - into forcing the issue.
(Taking tinfoil hat off)
Perhaps. In a rare bit of positive thinking for me, I prefer to regard this as something useful finally being done by Jill Stein & co.
re: #116 Blind Frog Belly White
I wanna know what marketing ‘genius’ came up with the term ‘Fun Size’ for bite-sized Snickers bars.
You know what’s fun? A FULL SIZE Snickers bar.
Finally someone willing to speak the Truth.
@jonathanchait
Running a scam by heading an agency that runs private/public real estate projects in inner cities! That’s crazy talk!— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 23, 2016
re: #126 gocart mozart
What’s her name? My wife is a software engineer … maybe I can order her one of those /s
re: #127 EPR-radar
Perhaps. In a rare bit of positive thinking for me, I prefer to regard this as something useful finally being done by Jill Stein & co.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m perfectly fine with it. And I sincerely hope that Stein and the greenies raise the sufficient money to initiate these recounts.
It’s the thought that Hillary could damn well win these three states… thankfully, I’m sitting down right now.
Internets telling me that Dr. Sleepy Ben Carson has accepted Trump nomination to head HUD.
I bet he hands out copies of his books to all the workers. Gets lost walking around SW DC. /
re: #8 Anymouse
And Democrats shouldn’t vote for any of Trump/Republican policies either. Make it so that when they pass their silly/damaging laws, the negative repercussions are all on them. Use it against Republicans in 2018 to get back the Senate and 2020 to get back the White House. That’s pretty much what the Republicans did to President Obama in 2008 (although it took them 8 years to get back the WH).
re: #131 Anymouse
What’s her name? My wife is a software engineer … maybe I can order her one of those /s
Margaret Hamilton. But not THIS Margaret Hamilton….
re: #124 Charles Johnson
And here we go again, with a far left dirtbag smearing me with false claims that originated in the far right.
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It’s been awhile, and I’m getting old, but didn’t Brevik basically call you a terrorist-hugging traitor? Even he was up to speed on your break with the Islamophobes, but we are supposed to take seriously people still living in 2004?
Dear God please make this fucking stop.
They’re made out of massive amounts of steel, which goes into the atmosphere, whether it’s in our country or not, it goes into the atmosphere. The windmills kill birds and the windmills need massive subsidies. In other words, we’re subsidizing wind mills all over this country. I mean, for the most part they don’t work. I don’t think they work at all without subsidy, and that bothers me, and they kill all the birds. You go to a windmill, you know in California they have the, what is it? The golden eagle? And they’re like, if you shoot a golden eagle, they go to jail for five years and yet they kill them by, they actually have to get permits that they’re only allowed to kill 30 or something in one year. The windmills are devastating to the bird population, O.K. With that being said, there’s a place for them. But they do need subsidy. So, if I talk negatively. I’ve been saying the same thing for years about you know, the wind industry. I wouldn’t want to subsidize it. Some environmentalists agree with me very much because of all of the things I just said, including the birds, and some don’t.
I read Donald Trump’s entire answer on climate change, and it’s dumber than you could possibly imagine https://t.co/eaCy2X4Ucw pic.twitter.com/rXFhFRwRdm
— Jonathan Chait (@jonathanchait) November 23, 2016
re: #131 Anymouse
What’s her name? My wife is a software engineer … maybe I can order her one of those /s
Margaret Hamilton is the person who coined the term software engineer.
re: #137 gocart mozart
Dear God please make this fucking stop.
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Oh Noooooooo. It won’t stop. Not ever.
re: #124 Charles Johnson
The moniker “Troopslover” is strange for someone from the Far Left. I thought our side wasn’t into the worship of the military. Probably just a nutter.
re: #86 Charles Johnson
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Really, few things have driven me into a frothing rage in the past two weeks than the ranks of pale white Bros going “the DNC needs to ditch minorities and women and work to appeal to white assholes!” Why? BECAUSE THESE FUCKERS SPENT MONTHS SAYING THAT’S WHAT HILLARY WOULD DO! FFS, you couldn’t go a day without being told by the Bros that as soon as she won the nomination, she was going to swing back to the center and try to appeal to conservative voters. They spent months asserting that the pivot was coming “any day now.” And now, after the “working class” (aka white men) voted overwhelmingly for Trump, we’re told the DNC needed to appeal to them.
Things that make you wanna chug anti-freeze.
re: #136 Jack Burton
It’s been awhile, and I’m getting old, but didn’t Brevik basically call you a terrorist-hugging traitor? Even he was up to speed on your break with the Islamophobes, but we are supposed to take seriously people still living in 2004?
Actually, Breivik didn’t write a single word about me. He included a bunch of articles and blog posts by other people in his manifesto (but no posts from LGF), and some of those mentioned me or linked to LGF, and a couple of those articles blasted me as a traitor to their “cause” and demanded I apologize to people like Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer.
For example:
re: #137 gocart mozart
Dear God please make this fucking stop.
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Right Don, now tell us with a straight face that fossil fuels don’t need subsidies to remain “cheap.”
re: #137 gocart mozart
Dear God please make this fucking stop.
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Shorter Donald Trump:
“Climate change is a hoax because ugly windmills spoil the view from some of my properties. And your children can go fuck themselves, because my wealth is more important than they are.”
re: #144 Blind Frog Belly White
Shorter Donald Trump:
“Climate change is a hoax because ugly windmills spoil the view from some of my properties. And your children can go fuck themselves, because my wealth is more important than they are.”
Trump further abridged:
Windmills are horrible, unless I get well paid to say the opposite.
re: #141 Targetpractice
Really, few things have driven me into a frothing rage in the past two weeks than the ranks of pale white Bros going “the DNC needs to ditch minorities and women and work to appeal to white assholes!” Why? BECAUSE THESE FUCKERS SPENT MONTHS SAYING THAT’S WHAT HILLARY WOULD DO! FFS, you couldn’t go a day without being told by the Bros that as soon as she won the nomination, she was going to swing back to the center and try to appeal to conservative voters. They spent months asserting that the pivot was coming “any day now.” And now, after the “working class” (aka white men) voted overwhelmingly for Trump, we’re told the DNC needed to appeal to them.
Things that make you wanna chug anti-freeze.
Yes everything needs to be about the White working class now like how the GOP is tweeting orgasms of rapture about that judge who killed Obama’s rule requiring more workers to get paid overtime.
Scott Walker’s legacy…
.@WKOW: UW-Madison drops out of top five research universities for first time since 1972 https://t.co/bpfiHugX5w
— Jill Lawrence (@JillDLawrence) November 23, 2016
Wow. This is seismic. https://t.co/TKpmr8BLRp
— jelani cobb (@jelani9) November 23, 2016
re: #147 Barefoot Grin
You what kills birds? Cats.
I rescued a bird from my cat’s jaws the other day. He’s run out of gophers and mice, apparently.
re: #137 gocart mozart
Dear God please make this fucking stop.
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It’s all Palin-esque word salad gibberish. Good fucking grief.
re: #147 Barefoot Grin
You what kills birds? Cats.
My outdoor feline overlord apparently ate a bird right in front of the fishspawn a few months back. Circle of life, kiddos!
It’s nice to see Salon give props to Charles in this article.
And then I read further down in the article and did a WTF when they said Milo is Jewish…
re: #148 darthstar
Scott Walker’s legacy…
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Only Donald Trump can fix by himself.
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re: #138 Belafon
Margaret Hamilton is the person who coined the term software engineer.
Neither of us knew that … and here I thought it was coined by an AI PDP-8 from Digital Equipment (the company she worked for).
I have nothing against cats (except that I get practically asthmatic around them). I just heard an environmentalist a couple weeks ago freaking out on the radio about the vast devastation that cats do to the bird populations in America.
re: #141 Targetpractice
Really, few things have driven me into a frothing rage in the past two weeks than the ranks of pale white Bros going “the DNC needs to ditch minorities and women and work to appeal to white assholes!” Why? BECAUSE THESE FUCKERS SPENT MONTHS SAYING THAT’S WHAT HILLARY WOULD DO! FFS, you couldn’t go a day without being told by the Bros that as soon as she won the nomination, she was going to swing back to the center and try to appeal to conservative voters. They spent months asserting that the pivot was coming “any day now.” And now, after the “working class” (aka white men) voted overwhelmingly for Trump, we’re told the DNC needed to appeal to them.
Things that make you wanna chug anti-freeze.
I still wonder how many of these so-called Bros are actually Sanders supporters (after all, Senator Sanders threw his support behind Sec’y Clinton and encouraged his supporters to vote for, over 90% of whom did) and how many are rodent copulators.
re: #155 Barefoot Grin
I have nothing against cats (except that I get practically asthmatic around them). I just heard an environmentalist a couple weeks ago freaking out on the radio about the vast devastation that cats do to the bird populations in America.
They eat lizards, too.
My cats are indoors-only.
re: #157 wrenchwench
They eat lizards, too.
My cats are indoors-only.
I have two indoor overlords and one outdoor overlord. The outdoor overlord mostly controls local pests, but the birds that break their necks hitting our back door and front window seem to be fair game, as well.
How the alt-right uses internet trolling to confuse you into dismissing its ideology https://t.co/3UpPZagfwO via @voxdotcom
— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 23, 2016
re: #152 Joe Bacon
It’s nice to see Salon give props to Charles in this article.
And then I read further down in the article and did a WTF when they said Milo is Jewish…
Nowhere in the Salon article is the statement “The man claimed to be Jewish.” They simply took his statement without further comment.
re: #158 thedopefishlives
I have two indoor overlords and one outdoor overlord. The outdoor overlord mostly controls local pests, but the birds that break their necks hitting our back door and front window seem to be fair game, as well.
Sounds like the outdoor cat is well-supplied by the windows.
What they didn’t teach you about the first Thanksgiving in school https://t.co/dmX7DQu9e7 via @voxdotcom
— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 23, 2016
re: #161 wrenchwench
Sounds like the outdoor cat is well-supplied by the windows.
I would say she is. Except for right now, now that the birds have all gone and the critters of the ground are MIA. But, that’s why we keep a bag of food beside the back door.
re: #156 Anymouse
I still wonder how many of these so-called Bros are actually Sanders supporters (after all, Senator Sanders threw his support behind Sec’y Clinton and encouraged his supporters to vote for, over 90% of whom did) and how many are rodent copulators.
I’d wonder that as well, if Bernie wasn’t out there leading the fucking charge again to be some prophetic voice for the DNC. He’s picked up where he left off, going “We need to stop talking about ‘identity politics’ and get back to selling white working folks on higher pay and universal health care.” He thinks the future of the party is in winning back Southern white voters by beating them over the heads with the idea that they need Democrats to make the choices for them because they don’t realize they’re voting against their own interests.
re: #148 darthstar
The fucked up thing for me is that my son’s at that university in Neuroscience Research.
re: #164 Targetpractice
I’d wonder that as well, if Bernie wasn’t out there leading the fucking charge again to be some prophetic voice for the DNC. He’s picked up where he left off, going “We need to stop talking about ‘identity politics’ and get back to selling white working folks on higher pay and universal health care.” He thinks the future of the party is in winning back Southern white voters by beating them over the heads with the idea that they need Democrats to make the choices for them because they don’t realize they’re voting against their own interests.
Someone needs to explain to the white people that it is not the place of the default identity to say ‘identity politics is bad’.
re: #164 Targetpractice
I’d wonder that as well, if Bernie wasn’t out there leading the fucking charge again to be some prophetic voice for the DNC. He’s picked up where he left off, going “We need to stop talking about ‘identity politics’ and get back to selling white working folks on higher pay and universal health care.” He thinks the future of the party is in winning back Southern white voters by beating them over the heads with the idea that they need Democrats to make the choices for them because they don’t realize they’re voting against their own interests.
Not merely white Southern voters but white working class voters as a whole. What frustrates me about what he says is as I said yesterday, working class voters don’t have hate preachers preaching their demise either here domestically or sending money from their congregation to support anti-LGBT legislation overseas including the infamous Ugandan death penalty. White working class people don’t have to struggle with the fears many African-Americans have of the police. They don’t get their citizenship constantly questioned like Latinos. It’s not that I think we should avoid these issues. It’s just that Sanders is deeply mistaken if he thinks talking about those issues will bring those voters to the party. And frankly he loses me big time when he tries to get open primaries everywhere. Democrats should be nominating Democrats. End of story.
re: #157 wrenchwench
They eat lizards, too.
My cats are indoors-only.
You know what the difference is between an indoor cat and an outdoor cat?
An open door.
Tweet is three years old but who cares.
Happy Thanksgiving to all—even the haters and losers!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 27, 2013
Inspirational tweet from our future leader. https://t.co/UmLBNvXUxD
— Monte the Color Man (@Monte_Colorman) November 23, 2016
re: #166 wrenchwench
As I said in the letter I mailed to Sanders today:
Since you are part of the leadership of the Democratic Party, I wanted to write to you about something that concerns me, specifically your use of the term identity politics. I think you are making a mistake in the way you are using it, and rather than bringing people together, you are only going to drive people apart.
The company I work for requires training for all of its employees on how to treat others. They don’t call it sensitivity training, but that’s the term that everyone is used to. The insight in the training is not to make people blind to color, gender, or physical handicap. That would be futile. Instead, the training helps us recognize when we are engaged in this behavior so that we can correct it. Because it’s the person who’s in power that is generally engaging in identity politics.
For example, when a disabled man is not hired because of a perceived weakness even though it wouldn’t affect his job, he’s not the one that engaged in identity politics. When a woman is not promoted because the all male decision group decides that woman aren’t cut out for leadership, it is not the woman who engaged in identity politics. When blacks are pulled over four times more than whites, it is not the blacks who are engaged in identity politics. When an older man is teased by his younger colleagues, calling him “grandpa” and “old man”, he’s not the one engaging in identity politics (yes, this was part of our training).
All any of these people want is to be treated as equals, but that cannot happen until those in power recognize what they are doing.
I would like to find a way to make poor whites finally see that, by considering themselves different than poor blacks, or different from women, or different from any other group, they are too small of a force to prevent the wealthy from hurting them and their children. The needs and wants of poor blacks and poor whites really are the same, and this false division keeps them from having better lives. Why hire a poor white man for $8 when you can hire a poor black man for $6?
Can you find a way to tell whites that by separating themselves from minorities, it allows the wealthy to degrade their lives. Democrats attempted to increase those covered by overtime pay. Republicans not only took that away, but their representatives are actually gloating about it.
Since you are good with words, I would like to see if you, along with others in the Democratic party, figure out a way to change the way poor are treated. We have made poor a stigma, when it’s not. The real shame is that we as a country do as little as we can to take care of the poor. I am not a religious person, but I do know enough to know that according to the New Testament, we will be judged on how we treat the poor and the sick. We need to find a way to change the conversation to taking care of each other.
While I agree that we need to bring in more of the marginalized people, the Democratic party already represents a large number of people that get pushed to the side. We need to include all of them, and encourage everyone to participate.
Thank you for reading. I am in a red part of Texas, where Democratic representation will be scarce thing for a long time.
re: #166 wrenchwench
Someone needs to explain to the white people that it is not the place of the default identity to say ‘identity politics is bad’.
Hell one could argue that Bernie’s idea of the working class whites is a form of identity politcs in itself. I’d like someone to ask him if the Democratic Party has such a big working class problem to explain why working class Hispanics and Blacks and Asians favor the Democratic Party. I’d really like him to answer that. And I’ve never seen an answer why. I think Sanders has his heart in teh right place on economists, I really honest to God do but I think he doesn’t want to understand the concerns many groups have about issues independent of class or if he does, he sees them as a “distraction.”
By all means talk about making college more affordable for all, by all means support a living wage but do not ignore that Republicans attack a woman’s right to choose, a LGBT’s right not to be discriminated against, an African American’s right to interact with the police without fear of violence, or a Hispanic American’s right to be seen as American as anyone else.
re: #116 Blind Frog Belly White
I wanna know what marketing ‘genius’ came up with the term ‘Fun Size’ for bite-sized Snickers bars.
You know what’s fun? A FULL SIZE Snickers bar.
Do you realize you’re echoing almost verbatim a fictional character named Halloweenie?
I would be shocked if you or anyone else here gets that reference.
@aravosis Putin pitting his buddy Jill against buddy Trump in an attempt to overturn the election and undermine the republic?
— Nathan Obral 📎😸📎 (@myronfalwell) November 23, 2016
re: #168 darthstar
You know what the difference is between an indoor cat and an outdoor cat?
An open door.
Except for a brief moment in the first year, we’ve managed to go humans only in and out the open doors for 8 years.
re: #170 Belafon
As I said in the letter I mailed to Sanders today:
Yup, Sanders is engaging in identity politics as well, though he doesn’t call it that.
Even billionaires engage in identity politics when they argue for things that favour billionaires.
All politics for individuals is identity politics.
re: #175 wrenchwench
Except for a brief moment in the first year, we’ve managed to go humans only in and out the open doors for 8 years.
Yup. Felix Randomkitty stays indoors, where he is only a terror to mice and me.
re: #174 Myron Falwell (no relation)
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She’s so full of fucking shit. Jill, Hillary would never appoint someone like Jeff Sessions, attorney general. Stop being a lying hack for once in your lfie.
re: #170 Belafon
As I said in the letter I mailed to Sanders today:
Excellent. I wish that was required reading for all Americans.
re: #170 Belafon
Thank you for your eloquent letter to Sanders. Something has bothered me about his continued campaign-style speeches and exhortations to discard “identity politics”. In the midst of ongoing emotional drama, I couldn’t put my finger on why his continued attempts to shape and control the Dem party bothers me.
What you asked much more gracefully than I was for Sanders to stop blaming the victim. White working class men are only a small part of the larger working class. I may be white, but as a woman I have been told more than once in my life by all white male hiring managers that a man deserved the promotion more than me because as HE has to support a family. It’s irrelevant that I may have the same or more demanding familial obligations and stronger professional skills and experience. Why must we allow anyone to “carjack” a party they don’t belong to, and marginalize other working class groups?
How to interview extremists – and avoid normalising racism | Samira Ahmed https://t.co/cmcSTVGcK2
— Bim Adewunmi (@bimadew) November 23, 2016
re: #60 freetoken
Trump already trying to control Apple:
Trump says he talked to Tim Cook about building iPhones in the US
I wonder if Trump will try to up the pressure. It’s going to be quite the tug of war.
Yeah just like he talked to Ford and convinced them not to move the Louisville assembly plant they were never planning to move *snort*
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