The Bob Cesca Show: The Human Boil

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

The Human Boil: New show title; Ben Cohen and Kimberley Johnson sit in; Republicans unveil horrible Obamacare replacement; Poor people are screwed; Key Republicans reject healthcare bill; Covering Trump’s tweets; Trump lied about Obama and Gitmo detainees; Trump is getting his news from Doocy and Kilmeade; Mark Levin provides Trump’s new conspiracy theory; and more.

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115 comments

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Kragar  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:15:01pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:17:32pm

re: #1 Kragar

That’s bullshit.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:21:55pm

America, 2017:

Scientist wonders why evolution debate has so many creationists

The headline makes Ken Miller sound clueless.

A better headline would be “Scientist Illustrates Why A Meeting of Religious Folk Is Detached From Reality”.

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while(1) worries++;  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:22:26pm

re: #1 Kragar

So much for respect to the traditions of the Congress.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:22:38pm

re: #1 Kragar

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And these assholes had the nerve to claim that Obama shoved ACA down our throats.

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:22:52pm

re: #1 Kragar

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I suppose we’ll see if the four supposed “rebels” will actually vote against the bill…or find convenient excuses why they must vote for it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:25:08pm

re: #1 Kragar

And yet they bitched endlessly about how Obamacare got “rammed through”.

EDIT: I see Happwarrior beat me to it!

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:25:37pm

Someone at Balloon Juice linked to an article calculating how many iphones you would need to afford healthcare. Chaffetz needs to get a clue.

vitals.lifehacker.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:25:40pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

And yet they bitched endlessly about how Obamacare got “rammed through”.

That was different. //

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:26:13pm

re: #8 Patricia Kayden

Someone at Balloon Juice linked to an article calculating how many iphones you would need to afford healthcare. Chaffetz needs to get a clue.

vitals.lifehacker.com

He knows better. It’s as people have said, the welfare queen with a Cadillac for a new century of gullible assholes.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:27:22pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

Unlike Barack Obama, their candidate and party lost the popular vote… Which means they get to proclaim that “the American people have spoken!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:30:00pm

They were so freaking clueless in the Town Halls. It apparently never dawned on them that even some GOP voters would be pissed off by the current shitshow in Washington.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:31:55pm

pretty close to my mood these days:

Find The Cost Of Freedom - Crosby Stills & Nash

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:31:57pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

They were so freaking clueless in the Town Halls. It apparently never dawned on them that even some GOP voters would be pissed off by the current shitshow in Washington.

As I noted downstairs, the GOP is gambling on the same bet they make every election cycle: That no matter how badly they may piss off their base, there’s no way in hell that they’ll vote for a Democrat on the ballot.

So far, they’ve yet to lose that bet.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:32:42pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

They were so freaking clueless in the Town Halls. It apparently never dawned on them that even some GOP voters would be pissed off by the current shitshow in Washington.

Here’s the thing: If we get anything resembling decent voter turnout, these guys are going to get spanked. The problem is, they know this, which is why we are going to see record numbers of “voter ID” and other voter-suppression bills in the coming two years.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:32:51pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

They were so freaking clueless in the Town Halls. It apparently never dawned on them that even some GOP voters would be pissed off by the current shitshow in Washington.

But it appears that most of the Town Hall protesters wanted to keep the ACA and fix its glitches — not repeal and “replace” it with foolishness. Seems as if Republicans didn’t get that message since they’ve now moved forward with destroying the ACA. This is why I’ll never vote Republican. They don’t listen.

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:35:10pm

re: #16 Patricia Kayden

But it appears that most of the Town Hall protesters wanted to keep the ACA and fix its glitches — not repeal and “replace” it with foolishness. Seems as if Republicans didn’t get that message since they’ve now moved forward with destroying the ACA. This is why I’ll never vote Republican. They don’t listen.

The GOP are not about listening to what people want, they’re about telling people what they should want. And what the GOP feels the people should want is a return to the days when your mini-med gouged you for years on end, then sank you into bankruptcy with medical bills as they canceled your coverage and blacklisted your ass for having a “pre-existing condition.”

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:37:32pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

I suppose we’ll see if the four supposed “rebels” will actually vote against the bill…or find convenient excuses why they must vote for it.

There are some ways that this could play out that would be incredibly entertaining. And other ways that will be utterly predictable.

For the entertaining ones: some of those “rebels” refuse to support it, and McConnell tries to use his power as majority leader to punish them. But some of those rebels are either just squishy enough to be Democrats (Collins maybe Portman) or have been around long enough that they have good relationships with the other side (Graham and/or McCain) or just ornery enough to say “fuck you” and caucus with the Dems out of spite (McCain), making Schumer the majority leader and really fucking with Trump.

The all too predictable path is that only one or two jump ship on this vote and Pence casts a tie breaking vote.

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gocart mozart  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:38:38pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:39:32pm

re: #1 Kragar

Why not skip the vote and send it right to Bannon for signing?

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:39:32pm
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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:41:47pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

As I noted downstairs, the GOP is gambling on the same bet they make every election cycle: That no matter how badly they may piss off their base, there’s no way in hell that they’ll vote for a Democrat on the ballot.

So far, they’ve yet to lose that bet.

That bet is only a winner until they start getting challenged in primaries or their base decides to stay home. I wouldn’t be surprised to see something of an anti-TEA Party come 2018 challenging GOP incumbents from the center, especially in open primary states.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:42:28pm

re: #16 Patricia Kayden

I love this “repeal and replace”. There is no “replace”, unless they mean going back to the way things were before the ACA. That means for many people their doctor is the emergency department at the local hospital (until it closes because of non-payment for services).

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:44:08pm

re: #22 KGxvi

That bet is only a winner until they start getting challenged in primaries or their base decides to stay home. I wouldn’t be surprised to see something of an anti-TEA Party come 2018 challenging GOP incumbents from the center, especially in open primary states.

I think that’s rather optimistic thinking. The more realistic scenario is that the Republicans in such districts/states enjoy an incumbent advantage and will be able to fend off such challengers, then get reelected on the “I’m your only choice if you want to stop the Democrats” platform they run on every 2-6 years.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:44:57pm

re: #23 Skip Intro

If Republicans could get away with it, they’d just repeal it and go back to the bad old days. That’s what we may end up getting since I doubt the GOP factions have enough votes to push an ACA “replacement” through.

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:45:31pm

re: #23 Skip Intro

I love this “repeal and replace”. There is no “replace”, unless they mean going back to the way things were before the ACA. That means for many people their doctor is the emergency department at the local hospital (until it closes because of non-payment for services they get around to axing that law as well.).

FTFY, because we all know it’s coming. It’ll be spun as “saving” hospitals from the high cost of unpaid care and delinquent bills, but it will be about restricting care to only those who can afford it.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:45:46pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

The Republicans are evil, craven, with no idea at all about how to govern, but the one thing they do know how to do is get re-elected. I don’t see this changing in 2018.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:47:12pm

re: #27 Skip Intro

The Republicans are evil, craven, with no idea at all about how to govern, but the one thing they do know how to do is get re-elected. I don’t see this changing in 2018.

I said it when Mike Pence was chosen as the VP pick: He’s an idiot and a buffoon every bit as bad as Drumpf himself, but he is a professional politician and he did manage to get elected, albeit in Indiana, which would elect a dead hamster if it ran on the Republican platform.

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while(1) worries++;  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:48:51pm

re: #27 Skip Intro

The Republicans are evil, craven, with no idea at all about how to govern, but the one thing they do know how to do is get re-elected. I don’t see this changing in 2018.

Small changes must happen in 2018, like higher turnout.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:50:39pm

re: #29 while(1) worries++;

Small changes must happen in 2018, like higher turnout.

Yep. That needs to happen.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:51:28pm

As an aside, I was in the local post office today and saw a long line when I opened the doors. Turns out it was the line for people applying for passports, and nearly all of them were Hispanic.

I guess they can see the writing on the wall, with the Trump police state starting mass deportations, even to citizens who don’t “look” like they should be here.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:52:48pm

re: #31 Skip Intro

As an aside, I was in the local post office today and saw a long line when I opened the doors. Turns out it was the line for people applying for passports, and nearly all of them were Hispanic.

I guess they can see the writing on the wall, with the Trump police state starting mass deportations, even to citizens who don’t “look” like they should be here.

Who knew the passport photo would one day be used as justification for getting said passport revoked?

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:53:58pm

re: #29 while(1) worries++;

Small changes must happen in 2018, like higher turnout.

Here’s the thing: We need higher turnout than just enough votes to overcome the GOP advantage, we need a high enough turnout we can overcome the Bros. Because they will be working to fuck with the party by declaring candidates “impure” and telling voters that there’s no point to showing up or that a vote for the Dem candidate is a vote for “more of the same.”

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:54:06pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

I think that’s rather optimistic thinking. The more realistic scenario is that the Republicans in such districts/states enjoy an incumbent advantage and will be able to fend off such challengers, then get reelected on the “I’m your only choice if you want to stop the Democrats” platform they run on every 2-6 years.

Perhaps, but I also look at someone like John McCain who has seen his general election percentage go from 77% in 2004 to 56% in 2010 to 53% this year.

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:56:06pm

re: #34 KGxvi

Perhaps, but I also look at someone like John McCain who has seen his general election percentage go from 77% in 2004 to 56% in 2010 to 53% this year.

He’s not running again until 2022, assuming he chooses to just keep running until he dies in office. That means that, come his next reelection bid, he can just sell himself as a “check” on Trump’s powers while still keeping a Republican majority in Congress. Or some such “maverick” BS.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:57:59pm

Get Yours Now! Only $50!

Once again, Team Trump fucks up.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:59:04pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

If Drumpf had been around in the 1800’s, he would have tried to kick my ancestors out of the country. And now he wants to celebrate their holiday? Fuck him with a rake.

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:01:40pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

He’s not running again until 2020, assuming he chooses to just keep running until he dies in office. That means that, come his next reelection bid, he can just sell himself as a “check” on Trump’s powers while still keeping a Republican majority in Congress. Or some such “maverick” BS.

My point is that it’s getting harder for Republicans to win in places where they used to win in a walk. They don’t seem to have much of an incumbent’s advantage either unless they’ve been there forever. Rubio (and he may simply be not very well liked by anyone) only saw his percentage go from 49% to 53%. Same with Rand Paul, he only saw a 2% bump to 57%.

If your goal is to push Republicans out of power, you have to have some optimism and stuff like this is a good basis for optimism.

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:02:34pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

Get Yours Now! Only $50!

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Once again, Team Trump fucks up.

There’s a great “but we won’t take the Irish” joke in there somewhere.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:03:42pm

re: #37 thedopefishlives

That’s kind of funny considering the Germans kicked Trump’s grandfather out of Germany.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:03:59pm

re: #37 thedopefishlives

To be fair, aren’t both of Trump’s parents foreigners (German dad, Scottish mom)? Not sure if he would be anti-Irish since two of his wives come from Eastern Europe. Now, if we’re talking about Black or Brown immigrants, there’s no doubt that he’d rather they get the hell out of his country. The Muslim Ban is just the first step.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:05:26pm

re: #41 Patricia Kayden

To be fair, aren’t both of Trump’s parents foreigners (German dad, Scottish mom)? Not sure if he would be anti-Irish since two of his wives come from Eastern Europe. Now, if we’re talking about Black or Brown immigrants, there’s no doubt that he’d rather they get the hell out of his country. The Muslim Ban is just the first step.

Considering that anti-Irish was one of the popular racist sentiments of the day, I have little doubt that he would have been on the bandwagon. Even if he wasn’t, that doesn’t make him any less a fuckstick.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:05:27pm

re: #38 KGxvi

My point is that it’s getting harder for Republicans to win in places where they used to win in a walk. They don’t seem to have much of an incumbent’s advantage either unless they’ve been there forever. Rubio (and he may simply be not very well liked by anyone) only saw his percentage go from 49% to 53%. Same with Rand Paul, he only saw a 2% bump to 57%.

If your goal is to push Republicans out of power, you have to have some optimism and stuff like this is a good basis for optimism.

Neither of those two shitheads should have won at all, particularly Rubio who said he wasn’t going to run.

Republicans will vote for anything as long as it has an ‘R’ after the name.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:05:44pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

I suppose we’ll see if the four supposed “rebels” will actually vote against the bill…or find convenient excuses why they must vote for it.

Just saw your comment. On Meat The Chuck Daily tonight, Chucky Todd said there are two groups of GOP congress folk that have trouble with the bill.

Apparently there is the Rand Paul, Mike Lee and a couple others (Jim Jordan and I think others) that see it as not being conservative repeal and replaced enough. Then you have the other four you mention. Paul Ryan finds himself between two factions that don’t want it for opposing reasons.

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:05:58pm

re: #41 Patricia Kayden

To be fair, aren’t both of Trump’s parents foreigners (German dad, Scottish mom)? Not sure if he would be anti-Irish since two of his wives come from Eastern Europe. Now, if we’re talking about Black or Brown immigrants, there’s no doubt that he’d rather they get the hell out of his country. The Muslim Ban is just the first step.

Trump’s father was born in the Bronx. His paternal grandfather was from Germany. His mother was from Scotland though.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:06:36pm

re: #38 KGxvi

If your goal is to push Republicans out of power, you have to have some optimism and stuff like this is a good basis for optimism.

If one wants to be optimistic, I think the best hope for the Dems is to eventually flip AZ, both in Congress and in winning the Presidency. This is doable in the next 10 years.

But I’m not sure an AZ win can make up for the loss of WI, MI, and PA.

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:07:49pm

re: #38 KGxvi

My point is that it’s getting harder for Republicans to win in places where they used to win in a walk. They don’t seem to have much of an incumbent’s advantage either unless they’ve been there forever. Rubio (and he may simply be not very well liked by anyone) only saw his percentage go from 49% to 53%. Same with Rand Paul, he only saw a 2% bump to 57%.

If your goal is to push Republicans out of power, you have to have some optimism and stuff like this is a good basis for optimism.

True, the optimistic argument is their win percentages are dropping or rising minutely. But the cynical argument is they’re still winning in spite of actions that should be making them political pariahs. How much of Little Marco not gaining much is people in his district waking up and how much is his receiving backlash for the Gang of Eight business? Or feelings that he was a liar for running after he’d pledge not to do so to devote his time to a presidential campaign? The Devil is always in the details.

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:09:27pm

re: #46 freetoken

If one wants to be optimistic, I think the best hope for the Dems is to eventually flip AZ, both in Congress and in winning the Presidency. This is doable in the next 10 years.

But I’m not sure an AZ win can make up for the loss of WI, MI, and PA.

Arizona has 11 electoral votes, so it makes up for the loss of Wisconsin (if that turns out to be a long term rather than just a one-off). Michigan and Pennsylvania, again assuming those weren’t one-off losses will require picking up other states. Probably North Carolina and maybe Georgia?

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:10:13pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

I suspect that Rubio’s re-election illustrates well how effectively the well was poisoned, against Clinton and then by extension other Democrats in tight states.

But I have to point out again that Trump carried FL by a non-trivial margin. Compare to the 2000 election, in which W won it by the slimmest possible circumstances.

What does this tell us? Is Florida full of marks?

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:13:25pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:14:35pm

re: #50 Skip Intro

They’re not far off, since richer people do tend to be older, with a few notable exceptions.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:17:33pm

re: #49 freetoken

Florida is sure full of something.

Florida Man Arrested For Keying Swastikas Onto Cars

And slashing 100 bike tires.

huffingtonpost.com;

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:18:20pm

re: #49 freetoken

I suspect that Rubio’s re-election illustrates well how effectively the well was poisoned, against Clinton and then by extension other Democrats in tight states.

But I have to point out again that Trump carried FL by a non-trivial margin. Compare to the 2000 election, in which W won it by the slimmest possible circumstances.

What does this tell us? Is Florida full of marks?

Florida is an interesting case. Yes, 2000 saw the difference be less than a thousand with 5.4 million voting. But in 2004, Bush won by 381,000 with 7.6 million votes cast. In 2008, Obama won by 237,000 with 8.3 million voting. He won again in 2012 by only 74,000 with 8.4 million voting. And this year, Trump won by 113,000 with 9.4 million voting. So, incredibly close in 3 of the 5 elections this century. I’m not sure what it can really tell us about the state.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:19:02pm

re: #51 thedopefishlives

They’re not far off, since richer people do tend to be older, with a few notable exceptions.

I guess the good news is younger rich assholes like Peter Thiel would find us old bastards too tough to eat without a lot of ketchup.

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wrenchwench  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:20:32pm

re: #52 Skip Intro

Florida is sure full of something.

[Embedded content]

Florida Man Arrested For Keying Swastikas Onto Cars

And slashing 100 bike tires.

huffingtonpost.com;

OK, now I’m mad.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:20:55pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

OK, now I’m mad.

Oh, no. The sleeping wench has been awakened.

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:21:43pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:23:44pm

I admit I’m still not sure I understand the new exchange rate… how many chickens worth of health care does an iPhone get me? What if I have a Samsung?

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:24:25pm

re: #53 KGxvi

Lots of old people.

There was a very strong correlation in this last election. of Trump support by age group.

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wrenchwench  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:24:59pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

Oh, no. The sleeping wench has been awakened.

Sleeping, huh.

I fixed another flat for hose-instead-of-a-tube guy. I found out the woman who runs my burrito place ‘is like a mother’ to him. He’s going to bring me a burrito for all I did for his bike today (plus the $4.00 he gave me). And a million other things. Now I go take out the trash. And go home.

Later, lizards.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:25:38pm

re: #58 InfidelOfFreedom

Wait… I wonder if it goes the other way… can I trade in a old pulled-tooth for a new iPhone???

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:26:38pm

re: #61 freetoken

Good question… is it a Bluetooth by any chance?

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:26:53pm

If Trumpcare passes this year, what year would the changes be implemented?

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:27:00pm

re: #28 thedopefishlives

I said it when Mike Pence was chosen as the VP pick: He’s an idiot and a buffoon every bit as bad as Drumpf himself, but he is a professional politician and he did manage to get elected, albeit in Indiana, which would elect a dead hamster if it ran on the Republican platform.

Why did I see your first part of your first sentence as…?

I said it when Mike Pence was chosen as the VP prick:

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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:27:03pm

re: #62 InfidelOfFreedom

Good question… is it a Bluetooth by any chance?

*WHACK!*

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:27:10pm

Was it here that someone posted that if you start your HSA or MSA or whatever the hell they’re called when you’re three, by the time you’re sixty you’ll have saved enough to pay for half of one chemo treatment?

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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:27:15pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

Why did I see your first part of your first sentence as…?

I said it when Mike Pence was chosen as the VP prick:

Maybe because he is that, too.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:27:47pm

re: #52 Skip Intro

Well, he sure looks superior … or something.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:27:59pm

re: #65 thedopefishlives

*WHACK!*

Yea… That’s deserved.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:28:19pm

re: #63 Ace Rothstein

If Trumpcare passes this year, what year would the changes be implemented?

The big changes would hit after Trump gets re-elected in 2020.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:28:52pm

re: #70 Skip Intro

The big changes would hit after Trump gets re-elected in 2020.

So all the “suffering” would continue until then?

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calochortus  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:30:16pm

I think if we’re all supposed to take personal responsibility for our medical insurance and/or bills, we should outlaw group policies and employer-provided insurance. Having purchased on the individual market for the vast majority of my adult life, I can assure you that there would be a nice single payer system in the works in about 6 months.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:30:53pm

America, 2017:

Putnam: Football star who bottomed out now is pastor

Fifteen years ago, Pastor Wes Peppers was a 22-year-old former college football player struggling with a drinking problem. He said he was bitter, mean and contemplating suicide. And he was an atheist.

Today, at 37, Peppers is a sober, healthy family man who leads a 730-member congregation at Lansing Seventh-day Adventist church on the city’s west side.

[…]

His denomination, with seven churches in the Lansing area, has some distinctive features. Members worship on Saturday, practice vegetarianism (but it’s not a requirement to belong to the church, Peppers said) and embrace creationism over evolution.

[…]

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:31:23pm

And that is why we have “President Trump”.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:33:45pm

re: #70 Skip Intro

I noticed that the “high taxes” on the rich won’t go away until 2019. That means all the people in swing districts that benefit from the ACA won’t know they’re losing their subsidies until after they vote Republican in the mid-terms.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:34:47pm

Reality

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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:35:32pm

re: #76 FormerDirtDart

Reality

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There is no doubt of that. I would not be surprised to see it pass both houses on the first vote. Not on its merits, but because of the fear of repercussions from the Executive Office.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:36:06pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:37:01pm

re: #76 FormerDirtDart

Because anything is better than the black Democratic president’s plan that actually helps people.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:37:26pm

Wait…. Trump has “political capital”?

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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:37:33pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

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He doesn’t have to. He gives an altogether different meaning to the “bully pulpit”.

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calochortus  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:42:29pm

re: #80 freetoken

Wait…. Trump has “political capital”?

I saw a couple people dissing Trump on FR today because he supports this health care bill. I was just kind of skimming the comments, but I didn’t see any pushback on that, and normally Freepers are all over anyone who says anything negative about Trump.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:43:48pm

Generally it seems like Republicans don’t need political capital… they only need to hold power. As was mentioned earlier, so many feel secure enough in their gerrymandered districts that the concept of being responsive to an upswing in polling on ACA is lost on 90% of them. They obviously feel the political risk is nearly non-existent, and sadly they may be right.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:44:11pm
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Ace Rothstein  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:45:12pm

This Nixon parody account is my favorite account on Twitter.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:46:24pm

re: #84 FormerDirtDart

What a clusterfuck this is.

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:46:35pm

Seen on Facebook:

OLD:
Affordable Health Care Act.

NEW:
American Health Care Act

Notice what was removed.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:46:47pm

re: #82 calochortus

I suspect that Trump doesn’t have what traditionally we would call “political capital” as he has worked outside of the political party system, preferring populism instead of party.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:47:42pm

Trump has something more important in 2017 America - celebrity status.

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Ming5000  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:48:21pm

re: #82 calochortus

I saw a couple people dissing Trump on FR today because he supports this health care bill. I was just kind of skimming the comments, but I didn’t see any pushback on that, and normally Freepers are all over anyone who says anything negative about Trump.

Thank you for going into the hive and reporting back. Many have tried. For a while….. Some never return…

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Charles Johnson  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:50:50pm
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Ace Rothstein  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:50:58pm

re: #82 calochortus

An upding for your selfless efforts for your fellow lizards.

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calochortus  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:54:13pm

re: #90 Ming5000

re: #92 Ace Rothstein

I like to keep my finger on the wingnut pulse. Although that sounds kind icky when I type it out like that.

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calochortus  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:54:55pm

re: #88 freetoken

I suspect that Trump doesn’t have what traditionally we would call “political capital” as he has worked outside of the political party system, preferring populism instead of party.

And with any luck, he’s losing some of his base on this.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:54:56pm

re: #93 calochortus

I like to keep my finger on the wingnut pulse. Although that sounds kind icky when I type it out like that.

If that’s really the sort of thing you’re into, I won’t judge.///

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:55:13pm

re: #93 calochortus

I like to keep my finger on the wingnut pulse. Although that sounds kind icky when I type it out like that.

“Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.”

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:55:26pm

re: #94 calochortus

And with any luck, he’s losing some of his base on this.

Never.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:56:53pm

A brief summary of America, 2017:

Climate Deniers, You’re Climate Deniers—Deal with It

[…]

The elder Freud first wrote about denial as a psychological defense mechanism more than a century ago.

His daughter Anna penned the seminal work The Ego and the Mechanisms of Defence in 1936. Modern interpreters of the Freuds’ work define denial along the lines of the American Psychological Association’s Concise Dictionary of Psychology: “An unpleasant reality is ignored, and a realistic interpretation of potentially threatening events is replaced by a benign but inaccurate one.”

[…]

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calochortus  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:00:53pm

re: #97 Ace Rothstein

Never.

I think we’re getting to the point where actual voters will be negatively affected. Sure, build a wall. Sure, make life harder for “those” people. Sure, cut back on NOAA, the Coast Guard, and all those agencies that I don’t know what they do. Trump can deliver on those promises, or at least appear to deliver on them and people will love it. They might eventually figure out that no illegals means their food costs go up dramatically, and put 2 and 2 together, but screw up their ability to get insurance? Raise the cost in a way they can see directly? They won’t be happy.
A girl can dream, anyway.

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steve_davis  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:01:50pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

I suppose we’ll see if the four supposed “rebels” will actually vote against the bill…or find convenient excuses why they must vote for it.

and then there are the reasons for why they claim they’ll vote against it. Not because people like me will lose the monthly tax credit, meaning I’ll lose insurance because I can’t possibly afford it, but because there are some worries about Medicare in the states. Trust me, they’ll solve that in such a way that “moderate” susan collins will come running when they ring the dinner bell.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:09:25pm

re: #100 steve_davis

and then there are the reasons for why they claim they’ll vote against it. Not because people like me will lose the monthly tax credit, meaning I’ll lose insurance because I can’t possibly afford it, but because there are some worries about Medicare in the states. Trust me, they’ll solve that in such a way that “moderate” susan collins will come running when they ring the dinner bell.

Collins is the biggest fraud in the Senate. She does whatever Mitch tells her to do yet the bought and paid for stenographers in the media alway praise her as a “moderate”. She’s already laid her cards down on the table with her support of the Kennedy bill. She wants to stick the shiv in Obamacare the same way every other fucking Republican wants to!

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:12:10pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:12:11pm
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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:20:21pm

re: #103 FormerDirtDart

Squee!! Friar Bigoton is amazing!

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:20:59pm

Yeah, I think most of use believe this too

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:26:49pm

Classic video making techniques:

Episode 2: The Story Of Pi - Project MATHEMATICS!

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Floral Giraffe  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:28:16pm

re: #99 calochortus

I’m afraid it is just a dream.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:28:56pm

re: #102 lawhawk

Trump, on his great friend Rand Paul.

I feel sorry for the great people of Kentucky who are being used as a back up to Senator Paul’s hopeless attempt to become President of the United States—- weak on the military, Israel, the Vets and many other issues. Senator Paul has no chance of wining the nomination and the people of Kentucky should not allow him the privilege of remaining their Senator. Rand should save his lobbyist’s and special interest money and just go quietly home.

Rand’s campaign is a total mess, and as a matter of fact, I didn’t know he had anybody left in his campaign to make commercials who are not currently under indictment!

washingtonpost.com

Yet Rand Paul would stand in line for the chance to wipe Trump’s ass. It would be a long line too.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:30:29pm

re: #107 Floral Giraffe

I’m afraid it is just a dream.

Here’s the thing: The Republicans, much as we wish otherwise, aren’t completely stupid. They know if they do anything that impacts their base, they will be turned upon in an instant. They know this because - how else? - that’s how they came to power in the first place. So they will be very careful to maintain power with their base, at all costs.

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nines09  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:30:51pm

Republicans in disarray…..They cannot agree on how to better fuck 20 million people right now, and another 15-30 million within 10 years. “Bodies. We need actual body estimates. We cannot allow one tax to be replaced with another tax without seeing the amount of bodies. Sure, the money goes to our friends and…Uh…The job creators, and we understand that. But it’s just not enough.”
Meanwhile private prison stocks along with pharma futures rocked. “It’s a bright day!” said Alisar as he watched premiums rise. “Whoo Hoo! Jamaica on the beach!”

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calochortus  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:37:56pm

re: #107 Floral Giraffe

I’m afraid it is just a dream.

Aw, don’t tell me that!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:45:50pm
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A Cranky One  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:46:02pm

Although it’s only been 5 weeks, Twitler’s antics have already had a negative impact on a lot of folks, a fair number of which are surely Republicans.

While many Republicans will vote for anyone with an (R) behind their name, those who’ve been personally affected by their own policies suddenly become more open minded about the issues.

The economic loss to the travel and tourist industries will hurt folks.
Talking away peoples healthcare will hurt folks.
Higher food prices will hurt folks.
Increased costs for service industries, construction, etc. will hurt folks.
Lack of government services that they take for granted, such as quality weather monitoring and forecasting, will hurt a lot of industries and businesses (they’re folks too, right?)
Being unable to get help from the Coast Guard will hurt folks.
And on and on.

The only question is, how many of the folks getting hurt will understand who’s actually hurting them, and finally begin to question the propaganda they’ve been swallowing whole? Speaking for myself, I’m going to make a point of clearly laying the blame where it belongs to anyone who’ll listen. Especially to those who see that PEEOTUS is an idiot but can’t seem to make the connection that he and the (R) party are one and the same.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:48:40pm

re: #106 freetoken

Classic video making techniques:

[Embedded content]

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petesh  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:58:37pm

re: #80 freetoken

Wait…. Trump has “political capital”?

No, no, he has a political line of credit. And when he reaches the end of that, he’s going to have to find some new investors, perhaps from Mars.


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