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Barefoot Grin  Jul 2, 2017 • 5:36:20pm

I just missed Jason and the 400. I hope they come back up here soon.

But I can always go to a Nazi flea market in Pennsylvania:

fusion.kinja.com

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JordanRules  Jul 2, 2017 • 5:41:44pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 2, 2017 • 5:42:03pm
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JordanRules  Jul 2, 2017 • 5:42:45pm

re: #3 Barefoot Grin

That was some crazy shite!

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bratwurst  Jul 2, 2017 • 5:49:16pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 2, 2017 • 5:53:36pm
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steve_davis  Jul 2, 2017 • 5:54:14pm

This will no doubt sound strange, but I actually hear a lot of Richard Thompson in that. The kind of chord changes. The singing style.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 2, 2017 • 5:55:12pm

The slide guitar solo in this song is absolutely killer. That’s Jason playing - I didn’t know he was such a great slide player until recently.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 2, 2017 • 5:56:00pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 2, 2017 • 5:56:53pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2017 • 5:58:46pm

Van Jones Retweets….

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jaunte  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:00:32pm

re: #10 The Vicious Babushka

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:02:47pm

Considering how fucked up things are in this country, I have not been looking forward to July 4.

That said, I am doing my best to focus on the good things and not the bad. I continue to believe America can survive Trump.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:03:38pm

Warning!! Vile but we need to know where the Golden asshole is getting his crap.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:03:55pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

Considering how fucked up things are in this country, I have not been looking forward to July 4.

That said, I am doing my best to focus on the good things and not the bad. I continue to believe America can survive Trump.

I’m putting my flag out bright and early tomorrow morning. Fuck you, Republicans, you don’t own patriotism.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:04:21pm

New Florida law lets any resident challenge what’s taught in science classes

I hate to be pessimistic in a thread with such a hopeful song at its start, but damn. If intelligent people don’t start fighting tooth and nail against this tide of Dark Ages ignorance, we’re doomed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:06:11pm

re: #14 Dave In Austin

Warning!! Vile but we need to know where the Golden asshole is getting his crap.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:07:14pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

New Florida law lets any resident challenge what’s taught in science classes

I hate to be pessimistic in a thread with such a hopeful song at its start, but damn. If intelligent people don’t start fighting tooth and nail against this tide of Dark Ages ignorance, we’re doomed.

I hope we achieve interstellar travel soon. I want to be the first person off this rock. Leave the dumbshits to their flat Earth.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:07:21pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

New Florida law lets any resident challenge what’s taught in science classes

I hate to be pessimistic in a thread with such a hopeful song at its start, but damn. If intelligent people don’t start fighting tooth and nail against this tide of Dark Ages ignorance, we’re doomed.

Possible bright side: maybe a brigade of Florida smarticles will challenge the shitty shit, like teachers sneaking in creationism etc.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:07:25pm

Break time…..

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Charles Johnson  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:08:23pm
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Unabogie  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:09:59pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

The problem is so widespread in a third of the country that I’m not sure we can stop it. Parents homeschool their kids just to make sure they aren’t exposed to scientific facts which contradict their religion. But that’s not enough for them, so they pass laws like this which allows people who aren’t even parents of kids in school to challenge science and force the schools to teach religion. But there’s a worse third (or maybe more) of America which is just oblivious to science, politics, information, and any other knowledge that cuts into reality TV watching time.

We’re just kind of a dumb country. What’s the cure for that?

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Scout  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:18:21pm

Forgive me, folks, for stating the obvious, but this CNN deal isn’t an attack on CNN, it’s an attack on the freedom of the press itself.

I think it’s important that responsible news outlets stand together on this issue. They can’t let the spirit of competition inherent in the profession allow a divide-and-conquer strategy to work.

But it’s also an attack-and-distract manipulation of the media/press in general. The counterattack needs to come from public outcry and other politicians.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:18:56pm

I hate this shit.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:19:05pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:19:34pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

Considering how fucked up things are in this country, I have not been looking forward to July 4.

That said, I am doing my best to focus on the good things and not the bad. I continue to believe America can survive Trump.

We are honoring America with flags & bunting.

But we are also gathering our protest signs to display.

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Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:22:20pm

re: #25 FormerDirtDart

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Seems the HHS and OMB aren’t communicating with each other, Mulvaney’s over there basically arguing that a healthcare bill shouldn’t be judged by the number of people insured.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:23:28pm
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Birth Control Works  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:24:59pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

Considering how fucked up things are in this country, I have not been looking forward to July 4.

That said, I am doing my best to focus on the good things and not the bad. I continue to believe America can survive Trump.

I’ve been making T-shirt Designs as a way to deal with it.

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Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:26:21pm

“Look at all the people who are uninsured under Obamacare! It’s a failure!”

“Under Trumpcare, 22-24 million more people will be uninsured.”

“That’s a lie! They’ll have access to healthcare!”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:26:50pm

There’s another nightmare coming at us fast.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:28:19pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

There’s another nightmare coming at us fast.

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Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:28:43pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

There’s another nightmare coming at us fast.

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“We cannot fill a Supreme Court vacancy during the middle of an election!”

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Interesting Times  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:28:50pm

re: #24 Dave In Austin

That who’s-who-of-the-1% is making the rounds:

Yeah….they might as well have hung up a banner that said “LOL plebes, it’s all pro-wrestling kayfabe where the winners are us and the losers are YOU.”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:29:07pm

The election of Donald Trump has set off a cascade of right wing opportunities and events that are going to destroy much of what’s good about the US, for many years to come.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:30:13pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

“We cannot fill a Supreme Court vacancy during the middle of an election!”

No, no, that’s only valid if the party in power is the Democrats. If it’s the Republicans, obviously the will of the people is to fill the vacancy immediately.

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Belafon  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:34:57pm

re: #25 FormerDirtDart

Typo in the original.

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mmmirele  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:35:16pm

re: #30 Birth Control Works

I’ve been making T-shirt Designs as a way to deal with it.

I’ve been taking web development classes as a way to help, and it does help for the time that I’m working on the sample website and suchlike, but the rest of the time, OMG.

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Belafon  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:38:35pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

There’s another nightmare coming at us fast.

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Kennedy is giving no indication of retiring.

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mmmirele  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:41:20pm

re: #40 Belafon

Kennedy is giving no indication of retiring.

Not wanting to be morbid and all, but any one of the nine could drop dead tomorrow.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:41:54pm

re: #40 Belafon

Never mind….. What was I thinking.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:42:56pm

re: #25 FormerDirtDart

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Amory Blaine  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:45:20pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank
The Situation really let himself go!
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Kragar  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:53:44pm
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Kragar  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:55:38pm
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William Lewis  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:56:27pm

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A Cranky One  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:59:02pm

re: #47 William Lewis

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 2, 2017 • 6:59:32pm

A guy running for attorney general in Alabama: Chris Christie. Poor guy.

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William Lewis  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:03:17pm

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Charles Johnson  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:04:42pm
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JordanRules  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:06:28pm

re: #35 Interesting Times

It is effing gross!! And yet and still GG and his folks should have voted for HRC without effing hesitation.

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A Cranky One  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:08:08pm

re: #50 William Lewis

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:09:12pm

CHRIST IT’S THIS ASSHOLE AGAIN

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:09:45pm

re: #50 William Lewis

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jaunte  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:10:35pm
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jaunte  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:11:14pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

That CBD asshole thinks the media needs to be “bloodied.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:14:59pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:16:03pm

re: #52 JordanRules

It is effing gross!! And yet and still GG and his folks should have voted for HRC without effing hesitation.

I have an acquaintance who supported Bernie but reluctantly voted for Hillary — as the lesser of two evils. The right had demonized Hillary for decades and too many fell for the lies. The GOP will continue to do this to the Democrats until and unless they are soundly defeated. With voter suppression and gerrymandering, it’s hard to see when such a victory will be possible.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:16:37pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

It’s funny. One single incident can easily motivate them to act - as long as it’s for the right cause. If it’s kids being slaughtered by guns, well, nothing we can do, move along.

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plansbandc  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:18:52pm

re: #9 goddamnedfrank

I think it illustrates once again that R’s don’t give a shit about optics anymore. They don’t care because they never have to pay the price. No matter how mean, petty, or downright stupid, they still get elected.

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Kragar  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:20:06pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

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Interesting Times  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:20:44pm

re: #52 JordanRules

It is effing gross!! And yet and still GG and his folks should have voted for HRC without effing hesitation.

Here’s the thing…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:21:01pm

re: #52 JordanRules

It is effing gross!! And yet and still GG and his folks should have voted for HRC without effing hesitation.

Nope Ol’ GG and his pals sold their souls to Putin. Just like the entire Republican Party did!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:23:46pm
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William Lewis  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:26:19pm

re: #48 A Cranky One

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William Lewis  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:28:11pm

re: #55 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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Interesting Times  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:30:24pm
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jaunte  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:31:36pm
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Cheechako  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:36:26pm

re: #69 jaunte

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This is a law that might have unintended consequences. Now the scientists can challenge the creationists and climate deniers about everything they bring into the classroom.

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jaunte  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:37:51pm

Thin skin runs in the family.

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Kragar  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:40:19pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:40:54pm
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Interesting Times  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:42:34pm

re: #68 Interesting Times

Make 1906 socialist cartoons relevant again :/

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covfefe  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:46:28pm

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JordanRules  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:51:14pm

re: #63 Interesting Times

I’m very familiar with their justifications and flirted with it for a bit. Katrina was a huge reason (not the only) why I permanently left that thinking behind. It is so doggone clear which party knows how to govern and knows why it’s necessary.
Finding pragmatism in service of progress healthy makes so much sense to me for so many reasons. As a human in modern day America with certain core values, it really isn’t a hard decision. As a WOC it is more urgent to empower the ‘now+’. We deal with what we have now, plus we keep pushing ‘the arc of justice forward’.

I’m also very suspect of Stein and Bern given how much they haven’t addressed the gigantic red elephant in the room. And some of their circle flatout dismiss it which is just as insane as the GOP that they don’t seem to beef with as much as the Dems.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:54:11pm
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scottslemmons  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:55:07pm

re: #76 JordanRules

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If someone believes their choice is between causing some pain and causing a lot of pain, and they choose to cause a lot of pain, they should be pushed down a well.

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JordanRules  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:55:46pm

re: #74 Interesting Times

That’s a great find!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:58:43pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

New Florida law lets any resident challenge what’s taught in science classes

I hate to be pessimistic in a thread with such a hopeful song at its start, but damn. If intelligent people don’t start fighting tooth and nail against this tide of Dark Ages ignorance, we’re doomed.

If I was a Florida hearing officer and got a case brought by a creationist or climate change denier, it would not go well for them

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JordanRules  Jul 2, 2017 • 7:59:23pm

re: #78 scottslemmons

Well damn you and your brevity! For real tho… well said.

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scottslemmons  Jul 2, 2017 • 8:01:32pm

re: #81 JordanRules

Well damn you and your brevity! For real tho… well said.

Pshaw. Your post was longer, more complete, and more resonant. I prefer to think of mine as short and shitty. :)

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retired cynic  Jul 2, 2017 • 8:04:58pm

re: #82 scottslemmons

Pshaw. Your post was longer, more complete, and more resonant. I prefer to think of mine as short and shitty. :)

Pithy.

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JordanRules  Jul 2, 2017 • 8:08:00pm

re: #82 scottslemmons

Shorty posts are great and welcome!
(Shorty = short and not really shitty)

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 2, 2017 • 8:09:01pm

re: #59 Hecuba’s daughter

I have an acquaintance who supported Bernie but reluctantly voted for Hillary — as the lesser of two evils. The right had demonized Hillary for decades and too many fell for the lies. The GOP will continue to do this to the Democrats until and unless they are soundly defeated. With voter suppression and gerrymandering, it’s hard to see when such a victory will be possible.

That is why the Wisconsin gerrymandering case going up to SCOTUS is so important. If Kennedy accepts that they have an objective test, a whole lot of district lines could be withdrawn in time for 2020.

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scottslemmons  Jul 2, 2017 • 8:09:32pm

re: #83 retired cynic

Pithy.

Sorry about your lisp… ;)

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retired cynic  Jul 2, 2017 • 8:10:09pm

re: #86 scottslemmons

Sorry about your lisp… ;)

Ah, the old mama rabbit story! My husband loved it.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2017 • 8:10:24pm

Dayum

Remember the plane crash on the 405?

Plane crash on 405 freeway FULL VIDEO!!!!ADVISORY…. must watch

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Kragar  Jul 2, 2017 • 8:15:05pm

re: #71 jaunte

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William Lewis  Jul 2, 2017 • 8:21:21pm

re: #89 Kragar

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what movie is the one on the right from? I know that’s trump on the left… ///////

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Kafitrar  Jul 2, 2017 • 8:24:12pm

re: #90 William Lewis

what movie is the one on the right from? I know that’s trump on the left… ///////

American Psycho, of course.
//

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JordanRules  Jul 2, 2017 • 8:25:19pm

Like they will answer. SMH

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 2, 2017 • 8:30:03pm
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retired cynic  Jul 2, 2017 • 8:34:40pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

But I just….

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Kragar  Jul 2, 2017 • 9:00:25pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2017 • 9:05:05pm

ugh

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Teukka  Jul 2, 2017 • 9:39:36pm

re: #88 Stanley Sea

Dayum

Remember the plane crash on the 405?

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Searched a little, and they’re already calling it a hoax!
*shakes head*

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Belafon  Jul 2, 2017 • 9:45:01pm

Because I had posted some Perl the other day, I’m posting something in Python that was actually fun to write. I’m studying some linear algebra so I can get into machine learning, and the book I’m reading starts out with determinants. Thinking about it a bit, I realized that the determinant could be one of those problems that could turn your computer into a heap of melted metal if implemented naively. The problem is that you will do some of the calculation many times. So, the solution is to memoize computations and look them up if they have been computed. To show you how much is saved, on a 15x15 matrix, there are 32,752 unique submatrices that need to be computed to compute the determinant. If you don’t record ones that have been computed, you will do 359,089,858,865 submatrix determinants calculations.

So, here’s the Python code that does this in pretty close to the fastest way possible: It starts at one row from the bottom, and computes the matrices that will be used one level up. Now, being in Python, it’s not as fast as, say, C++, but it computed the determinant of a 15x15 matrix in less than a second; a 20x20 matrix takes about 31 seconds. On the other hand, Python allows me to compute a determinant value of 11,832,194,538,958,008,869,319,306.

from sys import argv
import random
import time

def det( m, report = False ):
    "Computes the determinant of the matrix m"
    before = time.time()    
    computed_minors = precompute_minors( m )
    after = time.time()

    if report:
        print( "alloted time = {0}".format( after - before ) )
        print( "Number of computations = {0}".format( len( computed_minors ) ) )
        
    # After the minors, the determinant is just the entry for 
    # all of the columns
    v = computed_minors[ tuple( range( 0, m.rowCount ) ) ]    
    return v

def precompute_minors( m ):
    """Computes the values of all of the determinants of the 
    cofactors of the matrix. It does this by starting at the
    bottom two rows and works backwards, in the following
    manner: for the bottom two rows, compute all of the
    determinants all 2x2 matrices with the right index greater
    than the left. This generates C(n,2) entries. Then, for one
    row up, compute the 3x3 matrices using the 2x2. Repeat this
    each row higher until we get to the top"""
    computed_minors = {}
    
    # The two by two are easy
    rowIndex = m.colCount - 2
    for y1 in range( 0, m.colCount - 1 ):
        for y2 in range( y1 + 1, m.colCount ):
            v = m[ rowIndex ][ y1 ] * m[ rowIndex + 1 ][ y2 ] - m[ rowIndex + 1 ][ y1 ] * m[ rowIndex ][ y2 ]
            computed_minors[ ( y1, y2 ) ] = v
    
    # For everything from row three backwards
    for x in range( 3, m.rowCount + 1 ):
        rowIndex = m.colCount - x
        cols = list( range( 0, x ) )
        while True:
            total = 0
            for colIndex in range( len( cols ) ):
                # This gets the value of the minor
                c = m[ rowIndex ][ cols[ colIndex ] ]
                # Get all of the columns excluding the one containing
                # the minor
                rem = cols[ : colIndex ] + cols[ colIndex + 1 : ]
                # Look up the computed value for the cofactor
                cm = computed_minors[ tuple( rem ) ]
                total += c * ( ( -1 ) ** colIndex ) * cm
            computed_minors[ tuple( cols ) ] = total
        
            # Update the indexes
            # Update the end index. If it rolls over, update the one
            # before. Repeat until an index no longer rolls over
            index = len( cols ) - 1
            while index >= 0:
                cols[ index ] += 1
                if cols[ index ] < m.colCount - ( len( cols ) - 1 - index ):
                    break
                index -= 1

            if index < 0:
                break # We flipped them all
            
            # If we had an index roll over, replace it with the next start index
            if index < len( cols ) - 1:
                lastV = cols[ index ]
                cols = cols[ : index + 1 ] + list( range( lastV + 1, lastV + len( cols ) - index ) )
                
    return computed_minors

class matrix_row_ref:
    """Helper class that allows matrix access using two brackets: m[ x ][ y ]"""
    def __init__( self, m, rowIndex ):
        self.m = m
        self.rowIndex = rowIndex
        
    def __getitem__( self, colIndex ):
        return self.m.get( self.rowIndex, colIndex )
        
    def __setitem__( self, colIndex, val ):
        self.m.set( self.rowIndex, colIndex, val )

class matrix:
    """Simple matrix class"""
    def __init__( self, rows, cols ):
        self.rowCount = rows
        self.colCount = cols
        self.table = [ 0 ] * self.colCount * self.rowCount
        
    def __getitem__( self, x ):
        return matrix_row_ref( self, x );

    def get( self, x, y ):
        return self.table[ x * self.colCount + y ]

    def set( self, x, y, v ):
        self.table[ x * self.colCount + y ] = v
        
    def assign( self, t ):
        """Allow the matrix to be initialized by an array"""
        for x in range( min( self.rowCount * self.colCount, len( t ) ) ):
            self.table[ x ] = t[ x ]

    def __repr__( self ):
        res = ""
        for x in range( self.rowCount ):
            for y in range( self.colCount ):
                res += str( self.get( x, y ) ) + " "
            res += "\n"
        return res
        
    __str__ = __repr__
        
if __name__ == "__main__":
    msize = 10 # Default to a 10x10 matrix
    if len( argv ) > 1:
        msize = int( argv[ 1 ] )

    if len( argv ) > 2:
        # For testing, allow the seed value to be set 
        # so that the same matrix is generated
        seedVal = int( argv[ 2 ] )
        if seedVal != 0:
            random.seed( seedVal )
    
    m = matrix( msize, msize )
    # Generate random values
    m.assign( [ random.randint( -10, 10 ) for x in range( 1, msize**2 + 1 ) ] )
    
    print( m )
    
    detVal = det( m, True );
    
    print( detVal )

There’s probably some cleanup I could do, but I solved the problem.

And the thing that turns the problem from a O(2^n) to O(n^2) is why there is such a thing as Computer Science. I stopped the naive implementation on a 15x15 matrix after about 17 hours, with no clue on how far it made it.

/geekout

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JordanRules  Jul 2, 2017 • 9:56:32pm
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Belafon  Jul 2, 2017 • 9:58:32pm

re: #99 JordanRules

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Maybe she can go work for Mueller.

Edit: Or in NY, where she could have nearly as big of an impact.

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austin_blue  Jul 2, 2017 • 9:59:06pm

re: #96 Stanley Sea

ugh

[Embedded content]

Yup. Nasty. No fire, though, which is good.

When crude burns, it’s a bitch kitty to put out and leads to BLEVEs.

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Mattand  Jul 2, 2017 • 10:00:42pm

re: #95 Kragar

Believe it or not, the whole NJ shutdown thing escaped my notice. Mainly because I’ve had to deal with a death in the family for the last three weeks, and the bullshit that lead up to it in the preceding weeks. I finally got up to speed yesterday, thanks to the good people at nj.com.

You’d think in this age of having what is most likely a mentally incompetent monster running the US, I’d be done being shocked with the genuinely fucked up behavior that Republicans wallow in now-a-days.

But seeing pictures of Christie laying around on a beach that he personally closed because he’s not being allowed to raid a state-run charity’s finances?

Just… wow.

This is what an utter lack of shame looks like. I thought Christie constantly begging Trump for approval, despite the latter’s openly humiliating him every chance he got was bad. This is why every other state hates our guts. And then to basically hold a press conference and say “Yeah, I’m a acting like a spoiled child because I can”?

Shutting down an entire state because you’re not allowed to steal money from a charity. Unreal.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2017 • 10:02:39pm
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Belafon  Jul 2, 2017 • 10:03:19pm

re: #99 JordanRules

I went to go look her up, and found this, containing tweets from May: radicalcompliance.com

There are more in there, and you can see how they led to this. The only problem is the hole it leaves open.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 2, 2017 • 10:04:11pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2017 • 10:08:20pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2017 • 10:25:13pm

3 states in shutdown, all with Republican governors, two trying to play the “fiscal conservative” card, while the third is trying to raid the coffers of a not-for-profit insurance company.

This does not bode well for this fall…

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 2, 2017 • 10:33:49pm

re: #106 Dave In Austin

I’m sure it did hit a raw nerve, and probably one of the bigger ones. Trump will absolutely not stand for his competence being questioned; he really does believe he’s the smartest guy in the room.

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austin_blue  Jul 2, 2017 • 10:34:58pm

It continues to amaze me how so many otherwise sane people continue to try and normalize the Drumpf’s actions.

I understand that they are on the team and it’s their job requirement to do what they do, but, eventually, it’s just indefensible.

The man is a lunatic and needs to be called out as such. Perhaps if the interviewers just started to laugh at the justifications given by the Trump Team it would help.

Just start laughing at them on camera. Chortle. Snork.

“Are you serious? You can’t be serious! That’s the the stupidest explanation I’ve ever heard from a White House staff member. How can you possibly hope to spin a lie like that?”

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Frenchy  Jul 2, 2017 • 10:37:49pm

re: #98 Belafon

Computing determinants can actually be done very quickly via row reduction. Using the cofactor expansion definition is very slow, but row reduction is very fast, and once the matrix is row-reduced properly, computation of the determinant is a very easy thing. Basically computers are all over computing determinants.

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austin_blue  Jul 2, 2017 • 10:39:24pm

re: #108 Dr Lizardo

I’m sure it did hit a raw nerve, and probably one of the bigger ones. Trump will absolutely not stand for his competence being questioned; he really does believe he’s the smartest guy in the room.

He’s not the smartest guy in the bathroom. The toilet, when it’s not overloaded with shit, works perfectly every time.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 2, 2017 • 10:43:42pm

re: #108 Dr Lizardo

I’m sure it did hit a raw nerve, and probably one of the bigger ones. Trump will absolutely not stand for his competence being questioned; he really does believe he’s the smartest guy in the room.

He lies about everything — although his cult following worships his brilliance, is it clear that he actually believes this? He is just following the role model of professional wrestlers who boast about everything without believing a word they say.

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Belafon  Jul 2, 2017 • 10:49:37pm

re: #110 Frenchy

Computing determinants can actually be done very quickly via row reduction. Using the cofactor expansion definition is very slow, but row reduction is very fast, and once the matrix is row-reduced properly, computation of the determinant is a very easy thing. Basically computers are all over computing determinants.

Thanks. It was still an interesting challenge, and the final version was straight dynamic programming.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 2, 2017 • 10:53:34pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

He lies about everything — although his cult following worships his brilliance, is it clear that he actually believes this? He is just following the role model of professional wrestlers who boast about everything without believing a word they say.

I think he does believe it, personally. He’s a textbook narcissist and I have little doubt he’s built up for himself a self-image that he’s about as close to divinity as anyone can get.

OK……off to work. Later.

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Frenchy  Jul 2, 2017 • 11:08:30pm

re: #113 Belafon

Wasn’t criticizing, just lending math knowledge. The cofactor thing would be fun to implement via recursion, if you like programming (which I don’t particularly). I assume this is what you did — no offense but I didn’t pore over your code. 😃

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 2, 2017 • 11:08:44pm

re: #59 Hecuba’s daughter

I have an acquaintance who supported Bernie but reluctantly voted for Hillary — as the lesser of two evils. The right had demonized Hillary for decades and too many fell for the lies. The GOP will continue to do this to the Democrats until and unless they are soundly defeated. With voter suppression and gerrymandering, it’s hard to see when such a victory will be possible.

All politics is local. Democrats can and win at the local level, even in extremely conservative areas.

However, they have to run to win.

This is not a fight that will be won with a couple of adverts and a single election cycle. Such things as the Tea Party wave were years in the making. Democrats need to do the same (without the wackadoodle Tea Party nonsense) - run in every election, in every district - and the party must support them.

The idea of “well, he can’t win so we won’t support him” is not a winning strategy. The Democratic Party must support any candidate willing to run a challenge if the candidate is an upstanding candidate and that candidate wants help.

The idea that “well, Candidate X has no chance in (NE, SD, TX, SC, whatever)” is not a strategy for building a party. This is not a sprint, it’s a marathon. Local elections are what shake out good politicians from not-so-good ones. Pretty much every governor, senator, representative, even president started out as a local politician.

If the party will not support local elections, then the party is not building the “deep bench” it needs to create national politicians.

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austin_blue  Jul 2, 2017 • 11:12:24pm

Okay, I’m out. Sweet scaly dreams to all.

Who knows what fresh hell awaits us tomorrow?

It’s the new normal in Drumpf’s Amerika.

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2017 • 11:22:32pm

When ducklings surge:

They acted like something spooked them off camera.

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2017 • 11:24:21pm

Apparently there is a fox on the loose. Wind back a few minutes:

1,000+ Ducklings Night Cam… Live Stream

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2017 • 11:32:39pm

You can see the fox in the background, looking into the pen, as if trying to find a way in:

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 2, 2017 • 11:58:43pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:33:53am

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

Gaaaa.. My eyes!!

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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:35:52am

Speaking of a strange roll around the groin……..

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:40:14am
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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:48:06am
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Kragar  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:58:37am
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covfefe  Jul 3, 2017 • 1:03:06am

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

He’d fit in with the goths quite well.

Goth Underpass Rave

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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2017 • 1:09:22am

Thread - He kicked the cub scouts out of the park…..

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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2017 • 1:19:11am

Just starting into “The Hornets Nest” on Amazon….

Fuck me……!!

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Kragar  Jul 3, 2017 • 1:36:00am

re: #129 Dave In Austin

Just starting into “The Hornets Nest” on Amazon….

Fuck me……!!

I just finished “Fortitude”

Dan Andersen is a scary son of a bitch.

Fortitude Season 2

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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2017 • 1:45:25am

re: #130 Kragar

I just finished it up myself yesterday. That he is. I like Sheriff Andersen…… But I can’t pin “Good Guy or Bad Guy” on him. He now has some strange tastes. I guess (and hope) this goes to Season 3.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2017 • 1:46:30am

I got to go make some coffee. 2 hrs till the weekend…..

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Kragar  Jul 3, 2017 • 1:49:42am

re: #131 Dave In Austin

I just finished it up myself yesterday. That he is. I like Sheriff Andersen…… But I can’t pin “Good Guy or Bad Guy” on him. He now has some strange tastes. I guess (and hope) this goes to Season 3.

You’ve got to wonder how bad he actually was before, which was hinted at, and how much has to do with what he went thru.

I do want his hat though.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2017 • 1:59:51am

re: #132 Dave In Austin

I may need to re-watch the last episode from S1. I didn’t recall him being infected. Damned shame about the Governor though, I liked her.

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Kragar  Jul 3, 2017 • 2:03:01am

re: #134 Dave In Austin

I may need to re-watch the last episode from S1. I didn’t recall him being infected. Damned shame about the Governor though, I liked her.

I think it happened in the last episode of S1 when he went after Elena, in the Morgan house.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2017 • 2:16:38am

Krager,
You a recent Vet? Hornets Nest is a documentary on Afghanistan, fairly recent. Pretty good.

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Kragar  Jul 3, 2017 • 2:17:21am

re: #136 Dave In Austin

Krager,
You a recent Vet? Hornets Nest is a documentary on Afghanistan, fairly recent. Pretty good.

I got out in 02.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2017 • 2:19:29am

re: #137 Kragar

10/4…….

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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2017 • 2:28:19am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 2:39:29am

re: #137 Kragar

I got out in 02.

I’m old. Thanks.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2017 • 2:44:40am

re: #140 Anymouse 🌹

I’m old. Thanks.

Me too. Army, got out in ‘78, Didn’t see combat, but sat on the ramp a time or 2. I enlisted 1 day shy of Vet Nam era.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2017 • 2:45:37am

re: #140 Anymouse 🌹

Where you been all nite? Not like you to not get a word in. You OK?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 3:07:39am

re: #141 Dave In Austin

Me too. Army, got out in ‘78, Didn’t see combat, but sat on the ramp a time or 2. I enlisted 1 day shy of Vet Nam era.

Well, now I don’t feel so old, since I enlisted in ‘78 and got out in ‘96.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2017 • 3:11:04am

Been up for a couple of hours…trying to get back to sleep…keep seeing Kellyanne Conway on dance floor in the Hamptons in my mind…fear nightmare….

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 3:28:33am

I’m out to bed. The glass company is coming round tomorrow to fix my car. G’night, y’all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 4:36:33am

re: #22 Unabogie

We’re just kind of a dumb country. What’s the cure for that?

Education, but we have cutting back on that for decades now. Last big boom was in the 60’s when we were scared of being overtaken by the USSR. With that bogeyman banished, we feel free to be as dumb as we want to…

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 3, 2017 • 4:56:14am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I suppose to be effective, challenges of all courses and not just those dealing with science, would be authorized next. After all, there is plenty in history that would piss off Evangelicals and other conservatives.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 3, 2017 • 4:57:42am

re: #101 austin_blue

Yup. Nasty. No fire, though, which is good.

When crude burns, it’s a bitch kitty to put out and leads to BLEVEs.

I had to look that up.

BLEVE - Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 4:58:19am

re: #147 Patricia Kayden

I suppose to be effective, challenges of all courses and not just those dealing with science, would be authorized next. After all, there is plenty in history that would piss off Evangelicals and other conservatives.

and plenty of literature they find inappropriate reading…

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 3, 2017 • 4:59:01am

re: #120 freetoken

You can see the fox in the background, looking into the pen, as if trying to find a way in:

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It’s a buffet after all so I can sympathize with the fox.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 5:04:06am

re: #101 austin_blue

Yup. Nasty. No fire, though, which is good.

When crude burns, it’s a bitch kitty to put out and leads to BLEVEs.

Or it can lead to an old Blevins

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jeffreyw  Jul 3, 2017 • 5:06:36am

Imgur
Good morning! First tomato!

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 3, 2017 • 5:12:32am

re: #146 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Maybe we should start spreading a rumour that D’aesh is starting to open excellent schools?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 5:18:10am

re: #153 Romantic Heretic

Maybe we should start spreading a rumour that D’aesh is starting to open excellent schools?

Spread the fact that they oppose teaching Evolution…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 3, 2017 • 5:19:48am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 5:39:44am

re: #155 The Vicious Babushka

So, the jobs numbers and the economy numbers and the DOW numbers are real again?

Awesome.

///

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Weaselone  Jul 3, 2017 • 5:41:41am

re: #155 The Vicious Babushka

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There’s going to come a time that he can’t continue to coast by on the fruits of Obama’s policies even with his own supporters, largely because he’ll have undermined those same policies and screwed everything up. For example, the economy. At the time he took office, it was a 50:50 chance we’d get through the next 4 years without a recession. Get an actual infrastructure plan through congress and those adds probably go up significantly. What’s Trump do? Messes with immigration and travel - shanking tourism and industries from health care to education to technology. Focuses on small dying industries like coal mining and undermines growing industries like renewables. Eviscerates government jobs and appoints hacks to key positions which impact the economy.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 5:46:10am

I’m in the office today. I might be the only one. This is normally the kind of day I take off to extend the weekend but I didn’t feel as great a need this time around. I spent three days at home sick the week before last, so I didn’t need the time at home like usual.

Yesterday I drove around on Maryland’s Eastern Shore (I live on the other shore). It was pretty neat, drove through a couple of the older, quaint towns. There’s a little village square in Centerville in Queen Anne’s County, and there’s a statue of Queen Anne herself by the old courthouse.

The only drag was getting over the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, which I mistakenly assumed would not be as busy going over onto the Eastern Shore it being Sunday. But I guessed wrong. Still, the bridge is a great ride.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 3, 2017 • 5:50:44am

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 5:55:22am

re: #157 Weaselone

There’s going to come a time that he can’t continue to coast by on the fruits of Obama’s policies even with his own supporters, largely because he’ll have undermined those same policies and screwed everything up. For example, the economy. At the time he took office, it was a 50:50 chance we’d get through the next 4 years without a recession. Get an actual infrastructure plan through congress and those adds probably go up significantly. What’s Trump do? Messes with immigration and travel - shanking tourism and industries from health care to education to technology. Focuses on small dying industries like coal mining and undermines growing industries like renewables. Eviscerates government jobs and appoints hacks to key positions which impact the economy.

All future economic collapses will be simultaneously denied AND blamed on Obama.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 5:58:48am

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 3, 2017 • 5:58:56am

re: #160 Sir John Barron

All future economic collapses will be simultaneously denied AND blamed on Obama.

He’s been saying OBAMACARE IS DEAD!!! OBAMACARE IS DYING!!!11 OBAMACARE IS A YOOGE FAILURE!!! BAD!!!! while GOP has been sabotaging it for years. So when it does fail, all the GOP will say is WE TOLD YOU SO!!!! even though they have planned it this way all along.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:00:13am

re: #160 Sir John Barron

All future economic collapses will be simultaneously denied AND blamed on Obama.

just like the Russian tampering and the loss of insurance coverage by millions of Americans?

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:01:59am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Gov. Christie is still prattling on about how he had to shut down the state government because the budget wasn’t in place, even though the reason it wasn’t in place was because he demanded action on something completely unrelated to the budget (Horizon BCBS) that he threw into the budget.

So, instead of breaking it out separately, which would have been the prudent thing to do, he’s bullying his way as usual.

There’s a reason he has 15% approval in NJ. People are tired of his bullshit, and the fact that he was sunning himself on a state beach closed to everyone else all because he shuttered the state government doesn’t help his situation either.

There’s a group out there that’s trying to push all the blame on to the Assembly Speaker, and even put up posters at state facilities that put the blame on the Speaker, but that misrepresents and outright shifts the blame for all this from where it belongs- on the governor.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:02:11am

re: #45 Kragar

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This a million times. Republicans don’t care what he does as long as he furthers their agenda.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:04:58am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

just like the Russian tampering and the loss of insurance coverage by millions of Americans?

The Russian tampering didn’t happen and there was nothing wrong with it, shouldn’t the Russians have given us HRC’s emails if they had them even though they didn’t and no collusion but collusion would be OK—not against the law.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:06:07am

re: #166 Sir John Barron

The Russian tampering didn’t happen and there was nothing wrong with it, shouldn’t the Russians have given us HRC’s emails if they had them even though they didn’t and no collusion but collusion would OK—not against the law.

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Hillarzy colluded with the DNC!!!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:07:41am

re: #164 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Gov. Christie is still prattling on about how he had to shut down the state government because the budget wasn’t in place, even though the reason it wasn’t in place was because he demanded action on something completely unrelated to the budget (Horizon BCBS) that he threw into the budget.

So, instead of breaking it out separately, which would have been the prudent thing to do, he’s bullying his way as usual.

There’s a reason he has 15% approval in NJ. People are tired of his bullshit, and the fact that he was sunning himself on a state beach closed to everyone else all because he shuttered the state government doesn’t help his situation either.

There’s a group out there that’s trying to push all the blame on to the Assembly Speaker, and even put up posters at state facilities that put the blame on the Speaker, but that misrepresents and outright shifts the blame for all this from where it belongs- on the governor.

Donald Trump in a second term.

The MAGAheads have turned on each other and on their Fearless Leader.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:09:45am

re: #168 Sir John Barron

Donald Trump in a second term.

The MAGAheads have turned on each other and on their Fearless Leader.

I think the long-term strategy is to tolerate his embarrassments and scandals long enough to get him re-elected in 2020 and then run him out of office directly thereafter so it will have all blown over before the 2024 elections…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:10:07am

He’s sneaking into London in the middle of the night so he won’t encounter any mean protesters.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:10:38am

GOP and Trump are again back to the repeal and replace (after the first of Never). This is the same bullshit they were spewing for 8 years. 60+ votes to repeal, and they never had a plan to replace.

They still don’t. They’re back to square one after 8 years.

They don’t have a plan despite having the policy wonk Speaker Ryan having 8 years to work out something that covers as many people as comprehensively as now for comparable cost.

Every single iteration of the #GOPDontCare plan means millions (or tens of millions) fewer with coverage, worse coverage, and millions more affected by bad outcomes (like preexisting condition provisions making a comeback, along with lifetime caps, and dependents being kicked off well before age 26).

The GOP can’t and wont find Democrats to help them gut coverage for millions of Americans, because Americans don’t want their coverage fucked up the way the GOP intends to do all so that a privileged few can see massive tax breaks.

At the end of the day, that’s all the GOP cares about - making sure that the privileged get to expand their power and wealth, while all the burdens shift to everyone else.

The scene of Christie on the state beach with his family while the rest of the state beaches and parks are closed by his order is emblematic of the GOP’s absolute goal - sticking it to everyone else while the privileged get to retain the benefit.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:10:40am

re: #168 Sir John Barron

Donald Trump in a second term.

The MAGAheads have turned on each other and on their Fearless Leader.

The stock market has partially collapsed, unemployment starts ticking back up again, Fox News runs features on Obama vacationing somewhere, complains that Democrats and Americans in general are sabotaging Dear Trump’s MAGA agenda and should be locked up for treason.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:12:10am

THIS THREAD.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:12:46am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

He’s sneaking into London in the middle of the night so he won’t encounter any mean protesters.

Saudi Arabia much nicer than London. Mean protesters here. No protesters in SA! How come we can’t be more like Saudis? No respect for USA! We have yuuuge trade deficit with London! Not good!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:18:32am

re: #171 lawhawk

The GOP can’t and wont find Democrats to help them gut coverage for millions of Americans, because Americans don’t want their coverage fucked up the way the GOP intends to do all so that a privileged few can see massive tax breaks.

After 8 years of constant and malignant ratf0cking, celebrating their unanimous opposition to ACA passage (and everyone Obama), two court challenges, the second of which was particularly ludicrous (remember the challenge over the subsidy?), more sabotaging of the risk corridors (remember Marco Rubio’s congratulating himself about this?), all the while the actual ACA did something you’d think conservatives would have supported—the creation of health insurance markets.

The GOP is not an honest broker on this issue. They have not acted in good faith. So any Dems wanting to help them out would be like Charlie Brown, Lucy, the football, etc.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:23:13am

This is from Anymouse back in January.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Dr. Matt  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:23:27am
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steve_davis  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:24:50am

re: #119 freetoken

Apparently there is a fox on the loose. Wind back a few minutes:

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“Fox! Foooox!”
“Are you saying ‘fox’ or ‘fuck’”?
“Foooooxxxx!”
“Ohshit ohshit ohshit!….are you saying ‘fox’ as in ‘fox’ or ‘Fox News Channel’”?

A duck surge runs into a Duck Constructionist.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:25:26am

re: #175 Sir John Barron

GOP attempts at sabotaging Obamacare and depriving millions of access to affordable health coverage continues on a daily basis. These fuckers have the audacity to claim that Obamacare is a failure because not more people have been covered. We’ve seen the tweets from Price about how 28 million are still uncovered, as though that’s Obamacare’s fault when the blame resides almost entirely on a GOP that refused to expand Medicaid in states like Texas (which continues to have the highest uninsured rate in the nation) and where they refused to do anything that might make coverage or the markets more secure.

Every fucking day the GOP attempts to undermine the function of Obamacare, and the direct result of this is higher costs to millions of people, including their own constituents who the GOP lies to daily about the consequences of their actions, and what Obamacare actually is and does.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:27:34am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:29:18am

re: #180 lawhawk

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Fox “news” vigorously defended Limbaugh when he repeatedly said he wanted to see President Obama fail. Fox “news” can go fuck themselves.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:30:14am

re: #179 lawhawk

GOP attempts at sabotaging Obamacare and depriving millions of access to affordable health coverage continues on a daily basis. These fuckers have the audacity to claim that Obamacare is a failure because not more people have been covered. We’ve seen the tweets from Price about how 28 million are still uncovered, as though that’s Obamacare’s fault when the blame resides almost entirely on a GOP that refused to expand Medicaid in states like Texas (which continues to have the highest uninsured rate in the nation) and where they refused to do anything that might make coverage or the markets more secure.

Every fucking day the GOP attempts to undermine the function of Obamacare, and the direct result of this is higher costs to millions of people, including their own constituents who the GOP lies to daily about the consequences of their actions, and what Obamacare actually is and does.

Sebelius was on two different shows on CNN last week explaining how the GOP has purposely sabotaged the ACA, especially since January. I’m no fan of insurance companies, but no company in its right mind would make any kind of commitments in this carefully constructed chaos.

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Danack  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:32:57am

re: #127 covfefe

I prefer this version.

Cyber Goths Dance to Thomas the Tank Engine

warning - may induce giggling.

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sagehen  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:35:55am

re: #180 lawhawk

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Wow. Sarah Palin’s son-in-law is willing to go on TV to defend Trump. Shocker.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:39:22am

re: #182 Barefoot Grin

Sebelius was on two different shows on CNN last week explaining how the GOP has purposely sabotaged the ACA, especially since January. I’m no fan of insurance companies, but no company in its right mind would make any kind of commitments in this carefully constructed chaos.

The insurers themselves have specifically identified the GOP attempts to fuck with the marketplace in their premium hike discussions with the various states.

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sagehen  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:43:13am

re: #185 lawhawk

The insurers themselves have specifically identified the GOP attempts to fuck with the marketplace in their premium hike discussions with the various states.

Fox, Sinclair and wingnut radio never said a word about it. Ergo, in the view of GOP voters, it never happened.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:45:59am

re: #180 lawhawk

The GOP openly admitted they wanted Obama to fail and all their efforts were devoted to that end.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:47:53am

re: #187 Sir John Barron

The GOP openly admitted they wanted Obama to fail and all their efforts were devoted to that end.

…do I really need to explain what the difference is and why it is now no longer patriotic to “obstruct” the President?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:48:57am

re: #187 Sir John Barron

The GOP openly admitted they wanted Obama to fail and all their efforts were devoted to that end.

They voted unanimously, and proudly, against Obama earliest and most major initiatives, the stimulus, the ACA, etc.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:51:14am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…do I really need to explain what the difference is and why it is now no longer patriotic to “obstruct” the President?

Black man. White house.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:52:34am

re: #189 Sir John Barron

They voted unanimously, and proudly, against Obama earliest and most major initiatives, the stimulus, the ACA, etc.

and proudly attempted to repeal ACA some 30 times or more, while spending millions on investigating Benghazi and Fast and Furious and E-mailgate over and over and over again…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:55:06am

re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and proudly attempted to repeal ACA some 30 times or more

Which only makes their failure to do so now show how all those earlier “repeal” votes were kubaki theatre.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 6:57:55am

These idiot Trump trolls (but I repeat myself).

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:02:39am

re: #88 Stanley Sea

Dayum

Remember the plane crash on the 405?

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re: #173 The Vicious Babushka

THIS THREAD.

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What if I told you I could follow up to both your threads with a single youtube video?

405 FREEWAY PLANE CRASH HOAX pt(1)

We live in interesting times… O.O

Edit: DO NOT LOOK AT THE VIDEO COMMENTS.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:02:42am

re: #193 lawhawk

The stock market growth under Obama was a “bubble”. Now it’s all real growth.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:03:13am

re: #157 Weaselone

I remember the early 80s all too well when Reagan blamed Carter for the dismal economy.

I remember the early 00s all too well when Dumbya blamed Clinton for the dismal economy.

Trump will do the same.

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:05:52am

re: #195 Sir John Barron

The stock market growth under Obama was a “bubble”. Now it’s all real growth.

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I’m seeing tRumpers predicting DJIA will reach 20,000 before the end of the year.

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jaunte  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:08:34am

Inadvertent juxtaposition Twitter is the best Twitter.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:12:48am

re: #198 jaunte

Took a few seconds here…..

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:13:44am

re: #198 jaunte

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:24:45am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:25:00am
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mmmirele  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:26:10am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

He’s sneaking into London in the middle of the night so he won’t encounter any mean protesters.

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This underestimates the ability of people to mobilize very quickly due to (a) the Internet and (b) hatred of Trump. In fact, some people might take it as a challenge to get out there and really let Trump know how they feel if he tries to sneak in. I know I would!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:27:12am

re: #203 mmmirele

This underestimates the ability of people to mobilize very quickly due to (a) the Internet and (b) hatred of Trump. In fact, some people might take it as a challenge to get out there and really let Trump know how they feel if he tries to sneak in. I know I would!

They will be airdropping rubber dummy Trumps all over the UK to distract protesters.

Worked in Normandy…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:27:53am

re: #203 mmmirele

This underestimates the ability of people to mobilize very quickly due to (a) the Internet and (b) hatred of Trump. In fact, some people might take it as a challenge to get out there and really let Trump know how they feel if he tries to sneak in. I know I would!

FNC: George Soros paid protesters Obama’s deep state!

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:28:47am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Rubber dummy Trumps? Hmm. Sounds like it would be good to vent some anger on them.

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:32:02am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

He’s sneaking into London in the middle of the night so he won’t encounter any mean protesters.

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re: #203 mmmirele

This underestimates the ability of people to mobilize very quickly due to (a) the Internet and (b) hatred of Trump. In fact, some people might take it as a challenge to get out there and really let Trump know how they feel if he tries to sneak in. I know I would!

I know how fast a flash picket can be arranged if people are prepared… About 45 minutes. So for the sneakiness to work, he’d have to wait before announcing it so it’s less than that.

re: #205 Sir John Barron

FNC: George Soros paid protesters Obama’s deep state!

And when the above scenario plays out, of course they will blame moles etc.

*sigh*

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:32:46am
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weave  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:33:28am

Trump’s latest distraction….

And wingnuts will be all over this, without ever dealing with the issue of who will pay for the care. Yeah, there’s a GoFundMe fund. But that won’t last. It will be depleted. Then what? Remove life support then?

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mmmirele  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:35:54am

re: #208 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe I should introduce this snowflake to Jamie Otis. That’d be the guy who took a sledgehammer to Trump’s star last year. I went to college with him, and he was a resident of our co-op. (We’re talking 1985 here, Jamie is no youngster.)

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bratwurst  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:36:48am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:39:23am

re: #209 weave

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Trump’s latest distraction….

And wingnuts will be all over this, without ever dealing with the issue of who will pay for the care. Yeah, there’s a GoFundMe fund. But that won’t last. It will be depleted. Then what? Remove life support then?

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Trump took critical medical care away from HIS OWN NEPHEW because he was angry at the baby’s parents.

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mmmirele  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:39:43am

re: #209 weave

OMG OMG OMG Charlie Gard?! Holy crap, this is a horribly tragic situation. And neither Trump nor the Pope understands it completely. The child has a debilitating disease and even the doctor here in the US with the experimental treatment says it won’t work on Charlie.

Here’s an article that gives the latest (not including Trump’s bloviations):

theguardian.com

I swear to God, I could just scream.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:40:06am

re: #211 bratwurst

Speaking with Italy? Oh well, it is the uncouth one and his complete disregard for grammar, people and nations.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:45:25am
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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:46:34am
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:49:07am

re: #211 bratwurst

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Hope it gives you the “boot” Donny!

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:50:25am

re: #208 The Vicious Babushka

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There are still heroes…. ///

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Belafon  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:58:35am

re: #180 lawhawk

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It’s not the media’s job to make him succeed. It’s the media’s job to hound him and find out what he’s doing so that the public can find out.

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mmmirele  Jul 3, 2017 • 7:59:23am

I’m sorry, I’m going to rant here.

The Guardian has the following quote:

In a statement on Friday, Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia of the Pontifical Academy of Life, said: “We should never act with the deliberate intention to end a human life, including the removal of nutrition and hydration.

theguardian.com

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MsJ  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:08:40am

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

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mmmirele  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:11:03am

To fill out the discussion on Charlie Gard, I’m providing one of the court rulings from the case. This, I think, is key:

98. On the first day of this hearing I suggested that Professor A and Dr. I spoke, if possible, by telephone to see whether they could reach any form of consensus or at least narrow any issues between them. I have the notes of that telephone conversation. The conversation started by Dr. I being asked whether he had seen the most recent EEG for Charlie. Dr. I confirmed that he had received the results that very morning. He said the following:

“Seeing the documents this morning has been very helpful. I can understand the opinion that he is so severely affected by encephalopathy that any attempt at therapy would be futile. I agree that it is very unlikely that he will improve with that therapy. It is unlikely.”

99. However, he made it clear that, were Charlie in the US, he would treat him, although he would defer to “ICU people” (as he called them) to make the decision. He was asked this question:

“You understand that the nucleoside part was a secondary part and that the main reason for the application to the court is that we believe he is suffering and has no hope of improving. So we have primarily applied for active ventilator support/proactive ventilator support to be withdrawn.”

To this Dr. I replied:

“Perhaps, if I were there, I would support it. Not seeing the child, not seeing progression, it’s difficult for me to make an assessment.”

100. Dr. I also confirmed during this telephone conversation that he had never treated anyone who had encephalopathy. Therefore, he was unable to indicate whether a patient with encephalopathy would respond.

bailii.org

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:12:01am

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:14:01am

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

CHRIST IT’S THIS ASSHOLE AGAIN

Area Christian man elevating the dialogue.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:17:55am

re: #213 mmmirele

OMG OMG OMG Charlie Gard?! Holy crap, this is a horribly tragic situation. And neither Trump nor the Pope understands it completely. The child has a debilitating disease and even the doctor here in the US with the experimental treatment says it won’t work on Charlie.

Here’s an article that gives the latest (not including Trump’s bloviations):

theguardian.com

I swear to God, I could just scream.

The new Teri Schiavo

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retired cynic  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:20:06am

re: #220 mmmirele

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plansbandc  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:20:53am

re: #221 MsJ

I see you’ve gotten over your shyness. :D

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:24:54am
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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:29:00am

Funny how this all works…

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BeachDem  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:35:36am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

He’s sneaking into London in the middle of the night so he won’t encounter any mean protesters.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:36:09am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will be airdropping rubber dummy Trumps all over the UK to distract protesters.

Worked in Normandy…

They could identify hostile forces by using tweets:
One “tweet” to be answered by two “tweets”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:36:47am

heh

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:37:06am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

Why is dTumpF going to London anyway?

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:37:23am

re: #207 Teukka

I know how fast a flash picket can be arranged if people are prepared… About 45 minutes. So for the sneakiness to work, he’d have to wait before announcing it so it’s less than that.

And when the above scenario plays out, of course they will blame moles etc.

*sigh*

Do you know who else made sudden travel arrangements, so that people could not plan to attack him?

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jaunte  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:37:34am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:38:02am

re: #228 lawhawk

Isn’t that his Lt. Gov?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:38:55am

re: #235 jaunte

Marc Short, WH legislative director, tells FoxNews that it’s “absurd” men pay for maternity, women pay for prostate cancer treatment.

Because men do not have wives and children and women do not have husbands and fathers…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:39:39am

re: #235 jaunte

Also absurd MY insurance money pays for someone else’s hospital care and cancer surgeries.

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BeachDem  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:41:30am

re: #180 lawhawk

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Dakota Meyer married into the Palin clan and basically runs his mouth and poses for Instagram photos. Who cares what he thinks?

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jaunte  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:42:25am

re: #237 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because men do not have wives and children and women do not have husbands and fathers…

These people are living in some kind of crazy dog-eat-dog fantasy they want to impose on society.

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BeachDem  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:43:30am

re: #186 sagehen

Fox, Sinclair and wingnut radio never said a word about it. Ergo, in the view of GOP voters, it never happened.

If you want to never sleep again, watch John Oliver’s show from last night about Sinclair’s “input” into local news broadcasts and how it will become even more heinous if/when their Tribune buyout takes place.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:44:43am

re: #236 Sir John Barron

Isn’t that his Lt. Gov?

Ding ding ding…. she’s just as loony as he is, but she’s running for Governor, and needs to distance herself from his bugnuts craziness.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:45:10am

re: #240 jaunte

These people are living in some kind of crazy dog-eat-dog fantasy they want to impose on society.

Someday, when when technology allows us to start hatching fully-grown adult humans who can be given a basic education chip implant and sent out to realize their full potential in society, then their sort of Randian free-market fantasy world might start to make sense…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:45:41am

Spam alert: Some clown with the username Banco just spammed the crap out of the right-hand column with bogus “tech support” adverts.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:46:35am

re: #244 Anymouse 🌹

Thanks. I saw his name this morning.

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William Lewis  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:51:18am

re: #223 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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Mattand  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:51:23am

re: #236 Sir John Barron

Isn’t that his Lt. Gov?

She’ been openly dissing him since Bridgegate broke. It’s been one of the few bright spots in our gubernatorial disgrace over the last few years.

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William Lewis  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:53:03am

re: #239 BeachDem

Dakota Meyer married into the Palin clan and basically runs his mouth and poses for Instagram photos. Who cares what he thinks?

PTSD is a hell of a thing, just ask another MoH honoree Audy Murphy.

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BeachDem  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:54:11am

re: #233 Sir John Barron

Why is dTumpF going to London anyway?

To ride in a golden carriage. (Guess that will probably have to be scrapped now he’s going stealth.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:56:27am

re: #233 Sir John Barron

Why is dTumpF going to London anyway?

He wants to arrange a marriage for Tiffany with Prince Harry. Or if that doesn’t work, Barron with Princess Charlotte.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:56:42am

re: #249 BeachDem

Golden carriage was scrapped because the uncouth one was told that is only for royal ceremonies and it is not bullet-proof.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:57:36am

re: #226 retired cynic

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jaunte  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:58:03am

re: #251 PhillyPretzel

Narrow escape. He would have turned it into a pumpkin.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 3, 2017 • 8:58:14am

re: #235 jaunte

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:00:04am

I came back in briefly because the auto glass company just called and said they won’t be replacing my windscreen today; it will be Thursday.

My windscreen was shipped to Broadwater, Montana. The glass company has to wait for it to come back from there before they can install it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:01:16am

re: #255 Anymouse 🌹

I came back in briefly because the auto glass company just called and said they won’t be replacing my windscreen today; it will be Thursday.

My windscreen was shipped to Broadwater, Montana. The glass company has to wait for it to come back from there before they can install it.

Movin’ to Montana soon. Gonna be an auto glass tycoon.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:01:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:01:19am
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BeachDem  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:02:38am

HuffPo wins the Chris Christie headline competition with:

BEACH, PLEASE

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:03:03am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m starting to really enjoy this Christie in a lawn chair photoshopped into history meme.

.

Film history.

I have not seen him at Hastings, Anzio or Normandy yet, I assume those are already out there or in the works…

Especially the Bay of Pigs.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:03:28am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #257 lawhawk

Cut it out, you two.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:04:03am

re: #255 Anymouse 🌹

I came back in briefly because the auto glass company just called and said they won’t be replacing my windscreen today; it will be Thursday.

My windscreen was shipped to Broadwater, Montana. The glass company has to wait for it to come back from there before they can install it.

What happened?

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Varek Raith  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:04:12am

Good afternoon.
Landlord finally sent some people over to deal with the trees. Of course, one already fell a week or so ago and the other is leaning. It’s also very tall and dangerous.
Great, right?
Well, they’re not being paid to haul it away….
e_e

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:04:23am

re: #260 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Dunkirk….

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:06:07am

re: #260 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

.

Film history.

I have not seen him at Hastings, Anzio or Normandy yet, I assume those are already out there or in the works…

Especially the Bay of Pigs.

Woodstock
JFK assassination

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Varek Raith  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:07:25am

Even better!
They asked a neighbor to borrow a ladder.
I have no faith they’ll do this right.
I’m keeping myself and the cat downstairs where it is safe.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:08:05am

re: #233 Sir John Barron

Why is dTumpF going to London anyway?

Putin asked him to deliver something to the Ecuadorian embassy.

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BeachDem  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:08:09am

re: #264 lawhawk

Dunkirk….

Beach Blanket Bingo

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:10:15am

re: #256 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Movin’ to Montana soon. Gonna be an auto glass tycoon.

Montana, repository of Smartfortwo Coupe windscreens. You could corner the market on them.

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jaunte  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:10:35am

“…In a Department of Justice memo explaining the details of the recusal, Sessions’ chief of staff noted that the recusal “extends to Department responses to Congressional and media inquiries” related to the Russia investigation.

But Sessions threw that all out the window for Fox News.”

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Varek Raith  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:11:03am

re: #256 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Movin’ to Montana soon. Gonna be an auto glass tycoon.

Pretty sure that’s also a game.
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:11:22am

I hadn’t heard anything about this Charlie Gard case before Mango Mussolini’s post this morning. Looks like another Terri Schiavo case. Republicans only seem to care about healthcare if the patient is white and irreversibly brain damaged.
It seems that this has been something the right-wing has been using to bash single-payer with. Never mind that the case really had nothing to do with medical coverage. If the kid had lived in the US either his insurance would have kicked him out the door months ago or his parents would have been bankrupted by his hospital bill.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:11:29am

re: #262 Sir John Barron

What happened?

My windscreen was broken in a hailstorm last week. It is cracked from the passenger pillar almost all the way across to the driver’s pillar, and has separated into two pieces. (I can’t drive it out of town.)

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LastYearsMan  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:11:35am

re: #177 Dr. Matt

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And his wife encouraged people to eat healthier. How could you forget that high crime?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:12:57am

re: #265 Sir John Barron

Woodstock
JFK assassination

Hiroshima.

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makeitstop  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:13:38am

re: #273 Ace-o-aces

If we can help little #CharlieGard, as per our friends in the U.K. and the Pope, we would be delighted to do so.

Then break out the checkbook, big shot.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:15:06am

re: #263 Varek Raith

Our apartment building once had this very old tall palm tree. Guys went up with a chain saw and dropped ten feet of it off the top into the swimming pool. Forgot to rope it onto a winch to lower it. The manager ran out saw the disaster and fired them on the spot, leaving no one to remove the tree to from the pool or finish the job.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:15:26am

re: #273 Ace-o-aces

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I hadn’t heard anything about this Charlie Gard case before Mango Mussolini’s post this morning. Looks like another Terri Schiavo case. Republicans only seem to care about healthcare if the patient is white and irreversibly brain damaged.
It seems that this has been something the right-wing has been using to bash single-payer with. Never mind that the case really had nothing to do with medical coverage. If the kid had lived in the US either his insurance would have kicked him out the door months ago or his parents would have been bankrupted by his hospital bill.

Under Trumpcare, this kid’s family would be suffering from a medically induced bankruptcy. Insurers are extremely reluctant to approve coverage for experimental treatments - and this kid unfortunately has a bad prognosis no matter what - it’s a genetic condition from which there is no hope for recovery.

I agree the only reason Trump’s brought this up is as an attack on the NHS in the UK, even though the US system wouldn’t do any better with his case - let alone Trumpcare that would put the family in an even worse bind.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:15:55am

re: #277 makeitstop

He could do that but I would try to find out if there is anything in that account.

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austin_blue  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:17:13am

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

I had to look that up.

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It’s why I hated d train wrecks when I was doing the ER thing.

BLEVEs are the Monty Python rabbits of emergency response.

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Mattand  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:23:07am

re: #257 lawhawk

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s as funny as the Planet of the Apes/Statue of Liberty reveal from yesterday!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:25:44am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:26:55am

Morning/Afternoon Lizardim from the beautiful and warm wild north country. I’ve been running down the fuel in Mrs. Fish’s big brown beastie trying to make sure she gets enough exercise; at least now I can tell how much I have left, as opposed to previously, when I carried a 2-gallon can in the trunk just in case the worst happened. How go things among the lizardfolk on this blessedly quiet Third of July?

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jaunte  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:27:32am

“…The 23-year-old is a suspected far-right extremist who told investigators he wanted to kill Macron at the July 14 national day parade in Paris, a source close to the investigation said.

He said he also wanted to attack “Muslims, Jews, blacks, homosexuals,” the source added.”

Sounds familiar.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:27:49am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:28:13am

re: #284 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I gave myself the day off and I purchased a new recharger battery. :)

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:31:43am

re: #285 jaunte

Sounds familiar.

Lone wolf. No idea what would motivate him.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:32:08am

re: #286 lawhawk

I was reading it as “running the country.” I took a closer look and saw “ruining.”

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:35:59am

re: #284 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Relaxing here, scouting for a good place to do a July 4 time lapse or long exposure image.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:36:13am

Chris Christie Beaches Himself (Goes to Wonkette)

(with video)

Asked whether he’d “gotten any sun,” Christie at first denied it. Then, realizing there were pee tapes pix, his spokesman reverted to the time-honored, “he did not get any sun because he was wearing a baseball cap.” That’s up there with “no man born of woman” for loopholes, which is a sucky loophole because “born of woman” never said anything about “born of woman’s VAGINA,” and women’s stomachs are still part of women, GAH STUPID SHAKESPEARE, GET BENT.

Perhaps realizing that was fucking dumb, Christie then decided to own it and go full Chris Christie. Want to be able to go to a state beach for the Fourth of July? “Run for governor and you can have a residence,” said some dick who is governor of New Jersey for not very much longer.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:40:48am

re: #291 Anymouse 🌹

Such a man-of-the-people. How come Obama couldn’t be like that?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:41:08am
On Sunday evening, The Star-Ledger published a series of aerial photographs showing the governor, his family and friends, as the lone beachgoers on the 10-mile barrier island over the July 4th holiday weekend. Shortly thereafter, Christie became a trending topic on Twitter nationally and internationally.

“What a great bit of journalism by the Star-Ledger. They actually caught a politician being where he said he was going to be with the people he said he was going to be with — his wife and his children and their friends,” Christie told FOX5NY on Monday morning.

“I’m sure they’re going to get a Pulitzer for this, they caught me,” he said.

More at Politico.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:43:29am

re: #293 Anymouse 🌹

More at Politico.

[Christie]Don’t pay attention to the fake and FAILING Newark Star Ledger![/Christie]

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:43:52am

STOP WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING AND READ THIS

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:46:53am

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

I agree with the author.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:51:31am

Are there any major protests going on tomorrow?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:52:43am

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

STOP WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING AND READ THIS

Respect are president whos MAGA!!!!

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Alephnaught  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:52:55am

re: #211 bratwurst

TRUMP: “Will be speaking with Italy this morning!”

He might be disappointed to find Silvio Berlusconi’s not in charge any more.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:54:13am

re: #265 Sir John Barron

Woodstock
JFK assassination

historical beaches

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:58:46am

re: #211 bratwurst

As was noted on Twitter this morning, it’s likely that dTuRmpf doesn’t know who the president or PM of Italy is. So for that he just substitutes the country’s name.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 9:59:37am

re: #299 Alephnaught

He might be disappointed to find Silvio Berlusconi’s not in charge any more.

What about the actual Benito Mussolini? He and DJT would get along bigly. Benito is doing great things these days, everyone says so.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:00:04am

re: #297 Eclectic Cyborg

Are there any major protests going on tomorrow?

Looks like they were yesterday.

slate.com

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Decatur Deb  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:00:23am

re: #302 Sir John Barron

What about the actual Benito Mussolini? He and DJT would get along bigly. Benito is doing great things these days, everyone says so.

Just hangin’ around.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:00:56am
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wrenchwench  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:02:45am
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Decatur Deb  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:03:21am

re: #301 Sir John Barron

As was noted on Twitter this morning, it’s likely that dTuRmpf doesn’t know who the president or PM of Italy is. So for that he just substitutes the country’s name.

If he really speaks to Italy, he’ll learn what vaffanculo means, and then he’ll know one thing.

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Belafon  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:04:14am

I’m reading the second Dirk Gently book and I came across this passage:

It was odd, Kate reflected, that people who needed to bully you were the easiest to push around.

I thought of Trump. It’s not the first time reading this book that it’s reminded me of Trump.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:08:47am

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone needs to do Christie w/MacArthur as they wade ashore in the Philippines during WWII.

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gocart mozart  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:09:39am

Prairie Home Companion, rebroadcast yesterday

Speed Trap Town - Jason Isbell - 11/12/2016

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:11:45am

re: #311 wrenchwench

That is a good one.

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Brian J.  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:24:15am

re: #11 Dave In Austin

Van Jones Retweets….

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The next time Van has Vermont’s junior Psycho Psenator over for a chat, he should ask how the latest FBI interview went. And whether he still fantasizes about rape. And where his GD tax returns are.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:25:19am

Daily Beast reports that Gitmo prisoners are complaining the only English-language news they can get comes from Russia Today (RT).

More at the link:

Guantanamo officials would not comment on why RT, which U.S. intelligence considers a key component of Vladimir Putin’s global messaging, gets shown in Gitmo’s Camp 7. Inmates there include confessed 9/11 architect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and accused USS Cole bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.

Another one of those cellmates is Muhammad Rahim al-Afghani. Apprehended by the CIA in Pakistan in 2007, Afghani has written to his attorney voluminously—displaying a Seinfeld-esque sense of humor unexpected from a man who was once forced awake for so long he hallucinated. But among Afghani’s observations is that he and the 14 other Camp 7 detainees are fed a media diet heavy on RT.

In a March 15, 2017 letter Afghani wrote, “It’s the only western news we get—and it’s from Moscow.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:38:26am

re: #301 Sir John Barron

As was noted on Twitter this morning, it’s likely that dTuRmpf doesn’t know who the president or PM of Italy is. So for that he just substitutes the country’s name.

Smh. A 6 year old can use Google to figure that shit out.

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:38:49am

re: #315 Eclectic Cyborg

Smh. A 6 year old can use Google to figure that shit out.

None of his staff likely know either.

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Ming5000  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:39:59am

From the Lavrov speech noted by a Lizard earlier:

“Today, we are all participants of an objective process of forming a polycentric world order..”

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s remarks and answers to media questions at the Primakov Readings International Forum, Moscow, June 30, 2017

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:40:56am

re: #314 Anymouse 🌹

Daily Beast reports that Gitmo prisoners are complaining the only English-language news they can get comes from Russia Today (RT).

More at the link:

WTF?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:41:13am

politico.com

Trump-supporting groups on Twitter are seeking to monetise their efforts by selling their Twitter services to potential Republican candidates in the 2018 election.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:42:33am

re: #318 Eclectic Cyborg

WTF?

Afghani has been watching RT for a long time. He first referenced “the TV I have, RT, Russian TV” in a December 2015 letter to his lawyer, Carlos Warner, who shared a trove of Afghani’s letters with The Daily Beast. He’s sufficiently familiar with RT as to form a critique of the network’s editorial choices.

“Funny how RT likes Trump and doesn’t talk about Guantanamo anymore,” he writes, continuing: “This is all fake news. Propaganda is not news.”

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Belafon  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:42:34am

re: #317 Ming5000

From the Lavrov speech noted by a Lizard earlier:

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s remarks and answers to media questions at the Primakov Readings International Forum, Moscow, June 30, 2017

The Russians are tired of the US being the center of everything, and they have the perfect puppet in the White House to change that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:43:09am

re: #301 Sir John Barron

As was noted on Twitter this morning, it’s likely that dTuRmpf doesn’t know who the president or PM of Italy is. So for that he just substitutes the country’s name.

He does not need to know the name of the leader of Ubeki-beki-stan, he has people for that…

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:43:22am

re: #306 wrenchwench

It starts with the fact that the privatized contractors (major defense contractors like Lockheed) never seem to get penalized, or if they are, it’s a token penalty, and the workers continue to get exposed to dangerous conditions while taxpayers continue to be on the hook for the costs.

The other mechanism for enforcing safety is the withholding of some of the contractor’s profits for running the labs and plants. But a review of the payments to contractors at ten nuclear sites over a decade — even with penalties like the one cited above — shows the contractors, on average, earning 86 percent of the maximum profit available to them. “What’s the incentive to do the job right when no matter what, you get the money?” asks Ralph Stanton, a worker exposed to plutonium radiation in an accident at the Idaho National Laboratory.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:43:52am

re: #314 Anymouse 🌹

Daily Beast reports that Gitmo prisoners are complaining the only English-language news they can get comes from Russia Today (RT).

More at the link:

What do they expect, Al Jazeera?

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Belafon  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:45:07am

re: #321 Belafon

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makeitstop  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:45:40am

re: #311 wrenchwench

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I hope millions of people tweet that to him. Op-eds and official pronouncements don’t bother him in the least. That will.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:45:41am

re: #314 Anymouse 🌹

Daily Beast reports that Gitmo prisoners are complaining the only English-language news they can get comes from Russia Today (RT).

More at the link:

I trust they will promptly add Fox News to their selection.

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Belafon  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:47:10am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:48:59am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What do they expect, Al Jazeera?

Real torture would be FOX News Channel, though that might violate the Geneva Convention.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:49:20am

re: #317 Ming5000

From the Lavrov speech noted by a Lizard earlier:

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s remarks and answers to media questions at the Primakov Readings International Forum, Moscow, June 30, 2017

I thought we were going to dominate the world. America First.

/

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:50:01am

DOJ Corporate Ethics Watchdog resigns, because she could no longer stand the hypocrisy of demanding that others comply with ethics standards the Trump Administration routinely violates.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:50:58am

re: #330 Sir John Barron

I thought we were going to dominate the world. America First.

/

At the rate we’re going, we’re more likely to detonate the world than dominate it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:55:37am

re: #241 BeachDem

If you want to never sleep again, watch John Oliver’s show from last night about Sinclair’s “input” into local news broadcasts and how it will become even more heinous if/when their Tribune buyout takes place.

John Oliver on Sinclair’s buyout of small-town and rural television stations to present only conservative slant to the news. (18:59)

Sinclair Broadcast Group: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:58:00am
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danarchy  Jul 3, 2017 • 10:58:01am

re: #318 Eclectic Cyborg

WTF?

I think this is the relevant quote:

Robinson, however, confirmed that RT is available at Guantanamo for the 26 non-Camp 7 detainees. It’s included in their Galaxy 19 satellite TV package of 200 channels in various languages: “The current list of offerings includes RT, among numerous other news sources. Detainees choose which stations, if any, they watch or listen to.”

Not even the US military can buy cable/satellite TV A la carte. Perhaps they should put a parental block on RT.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:01:10am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:02:08am

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

The NRA will beg for $$$$ to repeal it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:02:32am

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trayvon Martin was unavailable for comment.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:02:37am

re: #337 PhillyPretzel

The NRA will beg for $$$$ to repeal it.

Fools and their money…

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Ming5000  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:10:36am

More from Lavrov:

The emergence of new confident centres of economic power and associated political influence implies a new higher level of mutual trust, which is impossible to achieve without observing such fundamental principles of international life as the sovereignty of states, non-interference in their internal affairs, and the resolution of disputes by peaceful means.

“new confident centres of economic power”? I suppose when oil prices were high that Russia had some good spending money. Right now Russia’s GDP ranks #11, right behind South Korea and in before Australia.

And this: LOL “non-interference in their internal affairs”

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Targetpractice  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:11:25am

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Of course the wingnuts will scream “WILL OF THE PEOPLE!!!”.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:12:49am

re: #341 Targetpractice

Of course the wingnuts will scream “WILL OF THE PEOPLE!!!”.

The roar of the masses could just be gas.

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Ming5000  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:15:37am

Even during the cold war I never heard or read so much about Russia.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:16:40am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:19:56am

Looks like another vehicular attack on a crowd. Boston
go.cnn.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:27:22am

re: #345 Unshaken Defiance

How sad is it my initial reaction was: “Well at least they didn’t use guns.” ?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:27:44am

re: #345 Unshaken Defiance

Looks like another vehicular attack on a crowd. Boston
go.cnn.com

The link does not work for me (CNN video seems to be blocked here - but we can get FOX just fine). What is the video about?

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EPR-radar  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:27:45am

re: #343 Ming5000

Even during the cold war I never heard or read so much about Russia.

That’s because the USSR didn’t win the cold war. Whatever this is now, the Russians are presently winning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:28:12am

re: #345 Unshaken Defiance

Looks like another vehicular attack on a crowd. Boston
go.cnn.com

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:28:53am

re: #345 Unshaken Defiance

Looks like another vehicular attack on a crowd. Boston
go.cnn.com

Could that be a cab or livery vehicle?

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Ming5000  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:28:53am

re: #347 Anymouse 🌹

The link does not work for me (CNN video seems to be blocked here - but we can get FOX just fine). What is the video about?

I notice on YouTube that Fox News clips and live streaming seem readily available in my stream. ugh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:30:04am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:30:50am

re: #351 Ming5000

I notice on YouTube that Fox News clips and live streaming seem readily available in my stream. ugh

I can’t watch CNN’s feeds from CNN and frequently have trouble with MSNBC feeds as well. (I wouldn’t suspect my Louisiana-based telephone company from blocking those networks whilst allowing FOX through unimpeded… .)

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danarchy  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:31:11am

re: #345 Unshaken Defiance

Looks like another vehicular attack on a crowd. Boston
go.cnn.com

Looks like an accident. Cab driver lost control of his cab and ran into a break area. Is cooperating with police. This was at the cab staging area at the airport the break area it hit is used exclusively by cab drivers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:34:36am

Needz speed kitties:

2 Fast 2 Furryest

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Ming5000  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:36:47am

re: #354 danarchy

Looks like an accident. Cab driver lost control of his cab and ran into a break area. Is cooperating with police. This was at the cab staging area at the airport the break area it hit is used exclusively by cab drivers.

Bring on autonomous vehicles. My driving rage coupled with my Trump rage is unmanageable.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:37:23am

How ridiculous is it that every random car accident is now national news.
They now seem to garner as much immediate coverage as an airline crash

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:39:53am
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Ming5000  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:41:04am

re: #357 FormerDirtDart

Yes. And also if an immigrant (recent and legal or illegal) is involved in a crime it is “Breaking News !!!1!”

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:42:21am

re: #350 FormerDirtDart

Now saying accident cabbie hit gas instead on brakes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:42:24am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:44:35am
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gocart mozart  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:44:39am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:45:12am

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Daaaaaaaamn. The balls on that one.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:45:24am

re: #358 FormerDirtDart

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More Trump Country which Trump will screw over:

Despite a go-it-alone ethos, residents of the 13 counties in the northern bloc are much more likely to receive government medical assistance than those in the Bay Area. In the north, 31 percent take part in Medi-Cal, the California Medicaid program, while the Bay Area rate is 19 percent, and California’s overall figure 28 percent.

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Ming5000  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:47:33am

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is the kind of public servant we should have and can have. Hats off to Maryland Attorney General Frosh.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:48:53am

I didn’t know who “Charlie Gard” was, but after Googling this story it looks like Trump and his GOP religious right pals are gearing up for a rerun of the Terri Schiavo nightmare.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:50:11am

re: #366 Ming5000

This is the kind of public servant we should have and can have. Hats off to Maryland Attorney General Frosh.

my SoS yesterday:

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:50:23am

re: #357 FormerDirtDart

How ridiculous is it that every random car accident is now national news.
They now seem to garner as much immediate coverage as an airline crash

Look on the bright side. As a side effect of Terror Panic, we get to find out how dangerous cars really are.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:51:03am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

my SoS yesterday:

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Okay, I missed that one. That’s pretty good too.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:52:38am

re: #365 Big Beautiful Door

More Trump Country which Trump will screw over:

Typical

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Targetpractice  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:54:06am

re: #358 FormerDirtDart

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Six months later and The Gray Lady is still moaning about the plight of the Trump voter in America.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:54:16am

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hot air balloon lands in gator-infested Florida pond

Damn, was just going to post that..
Reminded me of when I set up a drop zone at Pine Bluff Arsenal for a demonstration jump.
The whole length of the DZ was bordered to one side by the Arkansas River and a lake full of gators on the other.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:54:38am

re: #373 FormerDirtDart

Damn, was just going to post that..
Reminded me of when I set up a drop zone at Pine Bluff Arsenal for a demonstration jump.
The whole length of the DZ was bordered to one side by the Arkansas River and a lake full of gators on the other.

Don’t miss.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:55:02am

re: #364 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Daaaaaaaamn. The balls on that one.

That’s right up there with Mississippi telling them to jump in the Gulf of Mexico, and Mississippi would be a good launch pad for that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:55:19am

re: #373 FormerDirtDart

Damn, was just going to post that..
Reminded me of when I set up a drop zone at Pine Bluff Arsenal for a demonstration jump.
The whole length of the DZ was bordered to one side by the Arkansas River and a lake full of gators on the other.

talk about your incentive to nail the landing…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:55:34am
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Belafon  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:56:04am

re: #358 FormerDirtDart

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Stanley Sea  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:56:11am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:56:23am

re: #372 Targetpractice

Six months later and The Gray Lady is still moaning about the plight of the Trump voter in America.

Still waiting for one of these outlets to come hear the plight of a Hillary voter in deep red Trump country … they aren’t interested in the majority voter …

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:56:58am

re: #375 Anymouse 🌹

That’s right up there with Mississippi telling them to jump in the Gulf of Mexico, and Mississippi would be a good launch pad for that.

I find it interesting that many state Secretaries of State or Attorneys General are taking this opportunity to find new, creative, and unique ways to tell the President and his bullshit commission to go fuck themselves. It’s kinda awesome to see them one-upping each other in a positive fashion.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:57:02am
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Targetpractice  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:57:42am

re: #380 Anymouse 🌹

Still waiting for one of these outlets to come hear the plight of a Hillary voter in deep red Trump country … they aren’t interested in the majority voter …

Of course not. The sentiment the press seems to have reserved for Hillary voters, when they actually do talk about them, seems to be summed up as “Look at those rubes who voted for the loser!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:59:08am

re: #383 Targetpractice

Of course not. The sentiment the press seems to have reserved for Hillary voters, when they actually do talk about them, seems to be summed up as “Look at those rubes who voted for the loser!”

Pretty much. I knew I was casting my vote for the candidate that would lose in my state. (I am still gobsmacked Mrs. Clinton lost nationwide. The Electoral College system needs to die in a fire.)

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Targetpractice  Jul 3, 2017 • 11:59:51am

Actually, I should correct that. The media’s approach to Hillary voters is to treat them with disdain for not “Feeling the Bern,” suggesting that the lot of us bet on a crook and if we’d supported Bernie then we’d still be celebrating our victory.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:00:50pm
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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:01:11pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

What R you hiding, Hmmmmmmmm??? VOTER FRAUD!!!!1

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:02:13pm

BWAHAHAHAAAA

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Sir John Barron  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:02:35pm

re: #387 Sir John Barron

What R you hiding, Hmmmmmmmm??? VOTER FRAUD!!!!1

“Then you agree President Trump should provide his tax returns?”

Not required! Not a mandate! No law says he has to!

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:03:51pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:04:24pm

re: #374 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Don’t miss.

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

talk about your incentive to nail the landing…

Went and found it on google map
google.com

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Citizen K  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:04:39pm

re: #386 Charles Johnson

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You can’t ignore that Trump is actively cultivating this base with this kind of shit. These are the voters he’s reaching out for, the kind he’s enabling. It should be an indictment of all involved when this shit gets treated as positively as it has been by them, and it in no way absolves Trump when you point that out, because it explicitly notes what he’s doing to stir this sentiment up.

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Targetpractice  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:04:49pm

re: #386 Charles Johnson

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During the Obama years, when he did things that his base loved (told the truth about his opponents, put his foot down, promoted progressive ideas), the pundit class was in an uproar. They moaned about how his actions were “divisive,” “arrogant,” and declared that his failure to “meet the Republicans half-way” was why America was meandering along. If anybody tried to defend his actions by saying that it was a hit with his supporters, those pundits bellowed “THIS IS WHY WE CAN’T HAVE NICE THINGS!”

Funny how electing an old white guy to the White House suddenly makes playing to the cheap seats seem “presidential” again…

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Jay C  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:06:51pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

I didn’t know who “Charlie Gard” was, but after Googling this story it looks like Trump and his GOP religious right pals are gearing up for a rerun of the Terri Schiavo nightmare.

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Not quite: Charlie Gard’s story is heartrending, to be sure* but the focus of the “outrage” (which doesn’t seem much to exist - yet: the US RW media has yet to get hold of it) is that it is trying to paint the British NHS as heartless wretches because they can’t cure little Charlie’s (fatal) disease: and seem to be balking at letting his family take him to the US for “treatment”. Said treatment being: 1) completely experimental; 2) has little/no likelihood of success; 3) hideously expensive (I read they have raised 1.6M pounds: which won’t, actually, be enough to cover the costs).
This is an instance of “desperate measures” if ever there was one, but trying to turn it into a Terri Schiavo case doesn’t meet the logic test. But I’m sure the RWNJs will try…

*10-month-old infant with an incurable fatal genetic ailment. Very low odds of seeing 12 months….

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Targetpractice  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:08:06pm

Obama years: “He’s supposed to be everybody’s president, not just the president for his supporters! He has to appeal to his critics as well! He can’t just be the president of the coastal elites!”

Trump months: “Well yeah, his approval rating is burrowing its way to China, all of his proposals have the popularity of Ebola, and his foreign policy is a total joke. But his base still loves him, so WINNING!!!”

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:09:13pm

re: #357 FormerDirtDart

This year’s version of the summer shark attack season wall-to-wall news coverage.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:10:42pm

Scott Pruitt, in his latest effort to undermine climate science, is using the EPA to launch a programme to challenge the scientific consensus on climate change.

He is going ahead with your tax money to launch his so-called red team/blue team “review” of the data. The red team challenges climate science information, the blue team defends it. (It doesn’t work the other way round of course.)

The idea is to undermine the peer review process of science.

pbs.org

(video and text transcript)

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Citizen K  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:12:46pm

re: #397 Anymouse 🌹

Scott Pruitt, in his latest effort to undermine climate science, is using the EPA to launch a programme to challenge the scientific consensus on climate change.

He is going ahead with your tax money to launch his so-called red team/blue team “review” of the data. The red team challenges climate science information, the blue team defends it. (It doesn’t work the other way round of course.)

The idea is to undermine the peer review process of science.

(video and text transcript)

We really are never recovering from this shit for at least another generation, if that, are we?

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lawhawk  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:17:36pm

re: #382 Charles Johnson

This creationist nut has been seeking a permit to collect rocks from Grand Canyon so he can prove that the Canyon is not as old as it is per radiocarbon dating and other scientific measures have indicated.

They’re allowing his permit, despite not including certain key bits of info on his application:

Snelling’s original research application did not mention his young-Earth creationist beliefs. Nor did it disclose his job as director of research at Answers in Genesis, the Ken Ham-led organization that runs the Creation Museum in Kentucky. But his religious beliefs did come up when the park sent his research application out to mainstream geologists for peer review.

Can’t wait for this nut’s “scientific” research to conclude that all the prior scientific research was wrong, and that it’s only a few thousand years old.

On the basis not not disclosing that info, I would have denied his application. But they’re allowing it - and enabling these creationist nuts to continue poisoning the minds of people who don’t know any better and worse, indoctrinating another generation of kids to believe this nonsense when the scientific consensus is that the canyon is at least 6 million years old, and parts could be more than 70 million years old. It certainly isn’t the 6,000 years old these creationists believe.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:18:16pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

I didn’t know who “Charlie Gard” was, but after Googling this story it looks like Trump and his GOP religious right pals are gearing up for a rerun of the Terri Schiavo nightmare.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:19:41pm

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is treachery.

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BeachDem  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:22:12pm

re: #358 FormerDirtDart

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I guess they finally ran out of yam voters in the heartland and had to spread out to the coast.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:22:56pm

re: #400 lawhawk

This creationist nut has been seeking a permit to collect rocks from Grand Canyon so he can prove that the Canyon is not as old as it is per radiocarbon dating and other scientific measures have indicated.

They’re allowing his permit, despite not including certain key bits of info on his application:

Can’t wait for this nut’s “scientific” research to conclude that all the prior scientific research was wrong, and that it’s only a few thousand years old.

On the basis not not disclosing that info, I would have denied his application. But they’re allowing it - and enabling these creationist nuts to continue poisoning the minds of people who don’t know any better and worse, indoctrinating another generation of kids to believe this nonsense when the scientific consensus is that the canyon is at least 6 million years old, and parts could be more than 70 million years old. It certainly isn’t the 6,000 years old these creationists believe.

Well, he is from Ken Ham’s Answers in Genesis, so I guess we already know how this “research” is going to come out.

And the Park Service didn’t drop the case because they thought they were being discriminatory against this guy. They dropped it because of all the creationist wingnuts in our government now.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:26:10pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

I didn’t know who “Charlie Gard” was, but after Googling this story it looks like Trump and his GOP religious right pals are gearing up for a rerun of the Terri Schiavo nightmare.

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I’ve seen it mentioned in the Daily Mail - it’s a cause they seen to have taken up. It is tragic to be sure and I certainly feel for his parents; however, this is not some curable disorder. The parents raised something over $1 million dollars, but the American doctor who offers some tiny glimmer of hope through treatment has already said that Charlie is simply an untreatable case.

So yeah, Terri Schiavo redux, more or less.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:27:51pm

re: #402 Shiplord Kirel

This is treachery.

As a former Navy recruiter myself, I can imagine any military recruiter despising this idea.

The military puts forward a programme for recruits, then the Pentagon withdraws it after the fact. (I’m guessing the Pentagon didn’t think this up on their own, my guess is they are getting pressure from either Trump or conservatives in the government.)

Applicant: Why should I believe you about all these programmes? Look what the government did to those guys.

This will be a nightmare for recruiting if this goes through.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:28:49pm

re: #400 lawhawk

Staying with my eldest stepson right now, and his wife is really keen to show me the photos she took during a visit to the Kentucky Creation Museum. I’m not sure she even realizes that an irreligious science teacher would be skeptical (and uninterested) in the museum. In other words, she’s not even aware that the creationist museum is horseshit or that it’s non-science.

I suspect she’s not the only one.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:30:29pm

re: #407 wheat-dogg

Staying with my eldest stepson right now, and his wife is really keen to show me the photos she took during a visit to the Kentucky Creation Museum. I’m not sure she even realizes that an irreligious science teacher would be skeptical (and uninterested) in the museum. In other words, she’s not even aware that the creationist museum is horseshit or that it’s non-science.

I suspect she’s not the only one.

How can some be unaware of this? I don’t understand.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:32:05pm

re: #400 lawhawk

This creationist nut has been seeking a permit to collect rocks from Grand Canyon so he can prove that the Canyon is not as old as it is per radiocarbon dating and other scientific measures have indicated.

They’re allowing his permit, despite not including certain key bits of info on his application:

Can’t wait for this nut’s “scientific” research to conclude that all the prior scientific research was wrong, and that it’s only a few thousand years old.

It was probably due to the Trump effect on all federal agencies that this ridiculous venture was approved. On the other hand, they may have decided it was not worth the cost of defending the suit in court, given the minimal physical damage this will inflict on the Grand Canyon. What is astounding is that this same fraud has also written articles for legitimate publications where he clearly supports the traditional scientific views on the age of the earth.

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Weaselone  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:34:04pm

re: #406 Anymouse 🌹

It undermines national security.

1. As you noted, is reneging on a promise and undermines faith in the work of the military and recruiters. Why would any enrollee in the future trust that any offer the government puts forwards wouldn’t similarly be taken away.
2. Simply put, we need the 1,000 or so soldiers that are being undermined here. If I recall correctly, we’ve seen a series of cuts to recruitment standards for several of the armed services branches in the interest of recruiting sufficient numbers. Seem foolish to ignore and even toss out perfectly suitable recruits and current and already trained soldiers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:34:22pm

re: #408 Dr Lizardo

How can some be unaware of this? I don’t understand.

because the Bible is Truth and Science is Satan.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:39:52pm

re: #404 Anymouse 🌹

Well, he is from Ken Ham’s Answers in Genesis, so I guess we already know how this “research” is going to come out.

And the Park Service didn’t drop the case because they thought they were being discriminatory against this guy. They dropped it because of all the creationist wingnuts in our government now.

The Mike Pence influence. Certainly not anything that Trump believes or cares about.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:45:15pm

re: #408 Dr Lizardo

How can some be unaware of this? I don’t understand.

In the 80s I had a friend who had a conversion experience while watching “The 700 Club.” His past included dealing coke and weed and one baby born out of wedlock. After his experience he started getting all kinds of videos for his monthly donations. He got a whole series on Creationism. Even in the 1980s this was developed and distributed through somewhat sophisticated techniques. He got brainwashed pretty quickly.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2017 • 12:46:25pm

re: #413 Barefoot Grin

In the 80s I had a friend who had a conversion experience while watching “The 700 Club.” His past included dealing coke and weed and one baby born out of wedlock. After his experience he started getting all kinds of videos for his monthly donations. He got a whole series on Creationism. Even in the 1980s this was developed and distributed through somewhat sophisticated techniques. He got brainwashed pretty quickly.

Wow. That’s all I can say.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2017 • 1:01:03pm

re: #348 EPR-radar

That’s because the USSR didn’t win the cold war. Whatever this is now, the Russians are presently winning.

Re-establishing the Russian Empire. They are no longer trying to export an ideology or an economic system, just re-establish Russia’s primacy over the territory of the old Empire and the states surrounding it

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 3, 2017 • 1:23:08pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ya MD. AG. We may have an asshole in at governor, but the the state is Blue Blue Blue.


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