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JordanRules  Jan 10, 2018 • 8:47:34pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 10, 2018 • 8:47:40pm

Arpaio Running For Senator Of 2009

Controversial former Sheriff Joe Arpaio on Wednesday called former President Barack Obama’s birth certificate a “phony document” in an interview on CNN.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 8:49:11pm

re: #1 JordanRules

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Classy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 8:49:41pm

re: #2 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Arpaio Running For Senator Of 2009

Controversial former Sheriff Joe Arpaio on Wednesday called former President Barack Obama’s birth certificate a “phony document” in an interview on CNN.

Man Obama’s re-election is doomed now.

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TedStriker  Jan 10, 2018 • 8:51:21pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Man Obama’s re-election is doomed now.

Inorite?

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austin_blue  Jan 10, 2018 • 8:52:41pm

re: #1 JordanRules

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Family values!

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The Major  Jan 10, 2018 • 8:54:34pm

re: #6 austin_blue

Blackmail?!?!?

Blackmail - Monty Python’s Flying Circus

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2018 • 8:54:47pm

For some reason, as soon as this new article came up, my browser keeps locking up.

Are we winning yet?

Canada Files WTO Complaint Against USA Over Trade Rules (BBC)

Canada has filed an expansive complaint with the World Trade Organization accusing the US of breaking international trade rules.

The complaint challenges the ways that the US investigates products for subsidies and below-cost sales.

The US called the claims “unfounded”.

The action comes amid disputes between the two countries over areas such as dairy, aircraft sales and lumber as well as efforts to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Canada’s 32-page complaint cites US investigations of products from countries around the world, with decisions that date back to 1996.

Among other charges, Canada says the US improperly calculates rates and restricts parties from presenting evidence to defend themselves, with a cut-off for supplying information that comes too early in the process.

It also accuses the US International Trade Commission of being biased since disputes over which the body’s six commissioners are evenly divided automatically result in a finding for the US.

(more)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 8:56:04pm

re: #5 TedStriker

Inorite?

Like the gig is up man. Now that Sheriff Joe is on the case. Okay joking aside, I bet Trump endorses him against the wishes of the GOP establishment and gives us a bigger shot there.

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BeachDem  Jan 10, 2018 • 8:57:42pm

And while Lindsey Graham makes a total ass of himself, our other senator, Tim Scott, who, of course, supports offshore drilling, totally has his finger on the pulse of the state:

Scott said he wanted communities in coastal parts of his state “engaged more in the process” before proceeding.

“I have said I’m willing to wait until we get more buy in from our coastal folks,”

Oh wait—

In August, 2017—A bipartisan group of 32 state legislators sent a sharply-worded letter opposing efforts to open offshore drilling and exploration for oil and gas along the Atlantic coast…

More than 24 municipalities and counties formally oppose offshore drilling, the letter said. Additionally, it is opposed by the S.C. Small Business Chamber of Commerce and more than 400 business owners…

Opposition to Offshore Drilling and Exploration in the Atlantic Ocean—SC communities, per Oceana:

Atlantic Beach, SC: Passed 9/14/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Beaufort, SC: Passed 2/10/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Briarcliffe Acres, SC: Passed 10/19/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Charleston, SC: Passed 3/24/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Charleston County, SC: Passed 5/5/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Columbia, SC: Passed 5/5/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Edisto Beach, SC: Passed 5/8/2014 (seismic blasting)
Folly Beach, SC: Passed 3/10/15 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Georgetown, SC: Passed 4/16/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Georgetown County, SC: Passed 7/25/2017 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Hilton Head, SC: Voted to send letter to BOEM 3/25/2015 (offshore drilling); Voted to send letter to state department of health and environmental control 3/19/2015 (seismic blasting)
Horry County, SC: Passed 8/22/2017 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Isle of Palms, SC: Passed 2/17/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
James Island, SC: Passed 3/19/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Kiawah Island, SC: Passed 5/5/15 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
McClellanville, SC: Passed 5/4/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Mt. Pleasant, SC: Passed 5/13/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Myrtle Beach, SC: Passed 8/11/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
North Myrtle Beach, SC: Passed 8/17/2015 (offshore drilling)
Pawleys Island, SC: Passed 9/14/2015 (offshore drilling, proclamation)
Port Royal, SC: Passed 2/11/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Rockville, SC: Passed 4/20/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Seabrook Island, SC Mayor and Councilmembers: Voted to send letter 5/8//2015 (Offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Sullivan’s Island, SC: Passed 3/17/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Surfside Beach, SC: Passed 9/22/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)

Yeah, good to know Tim’s paying attention, in between his photo ops with the yam. SPIT.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 10, 2018 • 8:58:26pm

re: #1 JordanRules

I cannot complete that satellite-mounted vasectomy laser fast enough.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2018 • 8:59:17pm

re: #10 BeachDem

Perhaps you ought to send this list to Senator Scott as a reminder?

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austin_blue  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:00:04pm

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

Perhaps you ought to send this list to Senator Scott as a reminder?

You assume he would listen.

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meteor  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:00:27pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:01:14pm

re: #13 austin_blue

You assume he would listen.

Well, there’s that. I presume he’s the same as my representative (I only represent Republicans) then.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:02:05pm

re: #10 BeachDem

And while Lindsey Graham makes a total ass of himself, our other senator, Tim Scott, who, of course, supports offshore drilling, totally has his finger on the pulse of the state:

Scott said he wanted communities in coastal parts of his state “engaged more in the process” before proceeding.

“I have said I’m willing to wait until we get more buy in from our coastal folks,”

Oh wait—

In August, 2017—A bipartisan group of 32 state legislators sent a sharply-worded letter opposing efforts to open offshore drilling and exploration for oil and gas along the Atlantic coast…

More than 24 municipalities and counties formally oppose offshore drilling, the letter said. Additionally, it is opposed by the S.C. Small Business Chamber of Commerce and more than 400 business owners…

Opposition to Offshore Drilling and Exploration in the Atlantic Ocean—SC communities, per Oceana:

Atlantic Beach, SC: Passed 9/14/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Beaufort, SC: Passed 2/10/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Briarcliffe Acres, SC: Passed 10/19/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Charleston, SC: Passed 3/24/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Charleston County, SC: Passed 5/5/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Columbia, SC: Passed 5/5/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Edisto Beach, SC: Passed 5/8/2014 (seismic blasting)
Folly Beach, SC: Passed 3/10/15 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Georgetown, SC: Passed 4/16/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Georgetown County, SC: Passed 7/25/2017 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Hilton Head, SC: Voted to send letter to BOEM 3/25/2015 (offshore drilling); Voted to send letter to state department of health and environmental control 3/19/2015 (seismic blasting)
Horry County, SC: Passed 8/22/2017 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Isle of Palms, SC: Passed 2/17/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
James Island, SC: Passed 3/19/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Kiawah Island, SC: Passed 5/5/15 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
McClellanville, SC: Passed 5/4/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Mt. Pleasant, SC: Passed 5/13/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Myrtle Beach, SC: Passed 8/11/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
North Myrtle Beach, SC: Passed 8/17/2015 (offshore drilling)
Pawleys Island, SC: Passed 9/14/2015 (offshore drilling, proclamation)
Port Royal, SC: Passed 2/11/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Rockville, SC: Passed 4/20/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Seabrook Island, SC Mayor and Councilmembers: Voted to send letter 5/8//2015 (Offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Sullivan’s Island, SC: Passed 3/17/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)
Surfside Beach, SC: Passed 9/22/2015 (offshore drilling and seismic blasting)

Yeah, good to know Tim’s paying attention, in between his photo ops with the yam. SPIT.

Your state has such a beautiful coastline- my folks honeymooned at Myrtle. Really pathetic that Scott would be okay damaging the tourist industry for generations just so the oil industry can get a quick fix.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:03:38pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Your state has such a beautiful coastline- my folks honeymooned at Myrtle. Really pathetic that Scott would be okay damaging the tourist industry for generations just so the oil industry can get a quick fix.

Perhaps sending that letter to the Charleston, Columbia, and Myrtle Beach papers as an op-ed might help.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:05:29pm

re: #17 Anymouse 🌹

Perhaps sending that letter to the Charleston, Columbia, and Myrtle Beach papers as an op-ed might help.

That’s up to BD. They’re not going to print an out of stater like me. I’m big on ocean conservation. I care more about deep sea exploration than interplanetary tbh.

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BeachDem  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:11:02pm

re: #17 Anymouse 🌹

Perhaps sending that letter to the Charleston, Columbia, and Myrtle Beach papers as an op-ed might help.

Trust me—there is a HUGE, committed band of people who have been working nonstop for several years in opposition to offshore drilling. Meetings with legislators, articles in the papers, conferences, press gatherings, events like Hands Across the Sand—Oceana and SODA are massive, engaged organizations.

usa.oceana.org

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Kragar  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:19:40pm

re: #1 JordanRules

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:21:20pm

re: #20 Kragar

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Funny how God always forgives Republican adulterers.

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JordanRules  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:22:47pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Right. Never Bill Clinton though.

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JordanRules  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:24:02pm

re: #20 Kragar

Lemme go check God’s twitter because I don’t believe this weirdo!

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teleskiguy  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:24:04pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:24:18pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Funny how God always forgives Republican adulterers.

It’s the evangelical Republican voters who forgive every moral sin committed by Republicans. All you have to do is be anti-choice, and they will line up to vote for you regardless of your flaws.

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Kragar  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:24:35pm

re: #23 JordanRules

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:24:45pm

re: #22 JordanRules

Right. Never Bill Clinton though.

Yep. Honestly I don’t give a shit about the adultery, that’s between him and Mrs. Greitens but the holier than thou bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:25:32pm

re: #25 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s the evangelical Republican voters who forgive every moral sin committed by Republicans. All you have to do is be anti-choice, and they will line up to vote for you regardless of your flaws.

Trust me I know, I was being silly.

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JordanRules  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:26:21pm

re: #26 Kragar

Heh. Documentation needed!

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Definitely. With this guy, the blackmail should be leading the story.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:27:13pm

re: #29 JordanRules

Heh. Documentation needed!

Definitely. With this guy, the blackmail should be leading the story.

Yeah the blackmail and then being pronounced forgiven. These people.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:28:22pm

I still remember the fainting couches in the Lewinsky scandal. I was only 12 & I thought it was absurd and obviously this was before I knew about Hasert’s dirty secret.

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JordanRules  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:31:20pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:33:55pm

God only speaks Hebrew and Latin. If you’re forgiven in English, Someone’s fucking with you.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:35:53pm

re: #1 JordanRules

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Lmao That douche is in the “Thanks Madigan!” ad that’s been airing here in IL.

Thanks, Mike! | Bruce Rauner | Illinois

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retired cynic  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:38:41pm

re: #34 GlutenFreeJesus

Lmao That douche is in the “Thanks Madigan!” ad that’s been airing here in IL.

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Damn Rauner!

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JordanRules  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:39:06pm

Not surprisingly, Mother Jones did a great job here. You could make a calendar!
This one is worth saving as your ‘not normal’ receipts.

I’m reading it in chunks.

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Interesting Times  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:42:14pm

To put it mildly:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:42:54pm

re: #36 JordanRules

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Not surprisingly, Mother Jones did a great job here. You could make a calendar!
This one is worth saving as your ‘not normal’ receipts.

I’m reading it in chunks.

I mean I sure as hell don’t like Bannon obviously but the POTUS should not be calling for anyone to be fired. Trump isn’t cut out to be President for so many reasons and it’s going to take a long time if ever to repair the damage he’s done.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:44:16pm

re: #37 Interesting Times

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This is an abuser of women. I hope his wife takes him for every penny he’s got but the RR won’t care because he’s one of them and they forgive all who sin as long as he is one of them.

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retired cynic  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:45:52pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

This is an abuser of women. I hope his wife takes him for every penny he’s got but the RR won’t care because he’s one of them and they forgive all who sin as long as he is one of them.

He may be faking “being one of them” but he can’t be, any more than DT can.

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Renaissance_Man  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:47:37pm

re: #40 retired cynic

He may be faking “being one of them” but he can’t be, any more than DT can.

I don’t know - given the average morality of the American Religious Right, he seems to totally be one of them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:48:35pm

re: #40 retired cynic

He may be faking “being one of them” but he can’t be, any more than DT can.

True. Honestly what’s always bothered me about the RR is how they just disregarded Carter for Reagan. I mean be conservative all you want but don’t tell me that Reagan was a moral example while Carter wasn’t.

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JordanRules  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:48:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:49:06pm

re: #41 Renaissance_Man

I don’t know - given the average morality of the American Religious Right, he seems to totally be one of them.

Indeed. Lots of dastardly people in the RR circles.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:49:36pm

re: #43 JordanRules

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That’s kind of scary.

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JordanRules  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:54:45pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Imagine seeing a bunch of them peeking out. Eek!

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BeachDem  Jan 10, 2018 • 9:56:33pm

Heh

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wheat-dogg  Jan 10, 2018 • 10:02:05pm

re: #46 JordanRules

Imagine seeing a bunch of them peeking out. Eek!

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Alligator farm. Just wait till spring comes and they blossom!

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retired cynic  Jan 10, 2018 • 10:04:01pm

re: #48 wheat-dogg

Alligator farm. Just wait till spring comes and they blossom!

Makes me wonder how far north they can spread with climate change. I’m expecting kudzu any day now.

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JordanRules  Jan 10, 2018 • 10:05:18pm

re: #48 wheat-dogg

Into purses and shoes? ///

What about extreme ice skating?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2018 • 10:10:27pm

re: #47 BeachDem

Wait, Ann Coulter is invoking Ronald Reagan’s “Tear down this wall” statement? But she’s fine with Donald Trump trying to put one up?

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retired cynic  Jan 10, 2018 • 10:11:01pm

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹

Wait, Ann Coulter is invoking Ronald Reagan’s “Tear down this wall” statement? But she’s fine with Donald Trump trying to put one up?

Brown people. Different thing.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 10:14:09pm

re: #47 BeachDem

Heh

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Haha bitter Ann is the best Ann.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 10:15:09pm

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹

Wait, Ann Coulter is invoking Ronald Reagan’s “Tear down this wall” statement? But she’s fine with Donald Trump trying to put one up?

She never makes sense. Remember her views on suffrage would prohibit Trump himself from voting.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2018 • 10:17:19pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

She never makes sense. Remember her views on suffrage would prohibit Trump himself from voting.

They would also prohibit her from voting.

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TedStriker  Jan 10, 2018 • 10:17:34pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

She never makes sense. Remember her views on suffrage would prohibit Trump himself from voting.

And her too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2018 • 10:19:23pm

re: #55 Anymouse 🌹

They would also prohibit her from voting.

She had an immigrant parent or grandparent or are you referring to her being okay with taking away the right to vote for women? She doesn’t care in anyway. She wants anything possible that would allow a white right wing dominance and if it meant taking away her own rights.

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Kragar  Jan 10, 2018 • 10:20:09pm
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prairiefire  Jan 10, 2018 • 10:26:21pm

re: #58 Kragar

I can not wait for that pompous ass to quit over this. He has to.

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teleskiguy  Jan 10, 2018 • 10:52:32pm
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teleskiguy  Jan 10, 2018 • 11:25:20pm

Asshole snowboarder not aware of his surroundings.

Thankfully, the little girl is okay.

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teleskiguy  Jan 10, 2018 • 11:41:17pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2018 • 11:47:28pm

re: #59 prairiefire

I can not wait for that pompous ass to quit over this. He has to.

Counter-example: Donald Trump.

He’ll be forgiven by Christian conservative voters by the end of the week.

I’m off to bed … g’night y’all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2018 • 11:51:44pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2018 • 12:03:50am

I’ve a strong suspicion that, should Trump leave office without resigning or being criminally charged, he’ll end up being treated by the wingnuts as the very sort of “unperson” that Dubya became. That he wasn’t the “God-Emperor” that they truly believed he would be and thus they’re still on their search for a “true conservative.”

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Scout  Jan 11, 2018 • 12:30:07am

re: #36 JordanRules

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Not surprisingly, Mother Jones did a great job here. You could make a calendar!
This one is worth saving as your ‘not normal’ receipts.

I’m reading it in chunks.

Thanks for the link!

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majii  Jan 11, 2018 • 12:51:26am

re: #1 JordanRules

“The Trump-supporting, former Navy SEAL governor of Missouri having an affair isn’t the story here. He allegedly photographed his mistress naked to *blackmail* her. That ends his career. “

Nope, no it won’t. It will only endear him to those in Missouri who voted for him. We saw how “conservatives” rallied to Moore’s side in Alabama in spite of a series of women alleging that he is a pedophile. I saw a pic of him and his wife as he was responding to the allegations. She looked miserable standing beside him, but that didn’t keep her from claiming that they’re working on their marriage, and the incident is now a matter between them and God. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. This is his second marriage. His first wife divorced him in 2003. He married the current one in 2011 and has two kids. Since he had the affair in 2015, four years into their marriage, it appears to me that he didn’t take his vows seriously. It makes me wonder whether his inability to remain faithful was a factor in his first wife divorcing his behind. What pisses me off the most is how RW pols like him present themselves as ‘holier than thou” and proceed to stick their d*mn noses into everybody else’s bedrooms while they’re doing the same things, or worse things, than those they’re condemning others for. They need to sit their butts down somewhere, STFU, and get their own lives in order before they intervene in others’ personal lives.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2018 • 1:02:50am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 1:24:57am

re: #2 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Arpaio Running For Senator Of 2009

Controversial former Sheriff Joe Arpaio on Wednesday called former President Barack Obama’s birth certificate a “phony document” in an interview on CNN.

This is all about the running. And grifting. He is as prepared for being Senator as Trump was for being President.

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teleskiguy  Jan 11, 2018 • 1:28:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 1:44:50am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Funny how God always forgives Republican adulterers.

but will never forgive Democrat baby-killers, because they do not know how to tearfully repent and beg forgiveness.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2018 • 2:11:56am
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wheat-dogg  Jan 11, 2018 • 2:22:12am

re: #72 Kragar

Maybe this historical expert would be willing to put his conjecture about ZyklonB to the test and try breathing some.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 2:26:38am

re: #73 wheat-dogg

Maybe this historical expert would be willing to put his conjecture about ZyklonB to the test and try breathing some.

it is scary what sort of hideous excesses are being “normalized” in the name of revisionism

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wheat-dogg  Jan 11, 2018 • 2:34:34am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it is scary what sort of hideous excesses are being “normalized” in the name of revisionism

Something is not being taught in the schools.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 2:36:06am

re: #75 wheat-dogg

Something is not being taught in the schools.

I understand the value of a critical approach to history, but this is simply contrarian, selective thinking

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Lupin  Jan 11, 2018 • 2:45:27am

re: #72 Kragar

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Interestingly enough, the #2 of the French Front National also tried to argue that zyklon-b wasn’t used to exterminate inmates in the Nazi death camps — only a month or so before last year’s French Presidential election, which cost them dearly.

I don’t know what’s wrong with those people.

Le Monde article (in French)

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Lupin  Jan 11, 2018 • 2:48:00am

re: #65 Targetpractice

I’ve a strong suspicion that, should Trump leave office without resigning or being criminally charged, he’ll end up being treated by the wingnuts as the very sort of “unperson” that Dubya became. That he wasn’t the “God-Emperor” that they truly believed he would be and thus they’re still on their search for a “true conservative.”

I don’t think so; IMHO I think Trump will end up like Reagan, but on meth. Canonized by his nazi base while dying from dementia in a gold-plated asylum.

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Lupin  Jan 11, 2018 • 2:58:12am

re: #70 teleskiguy

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A superlatively excellent analysis by Ezra Klein, but for one thing.

I have dealt with people afflicted with cognitive (and/or deep emotional) issues and I used to say, “it’s hard to think insane.” Klein, understandably, finds it difficult to think outside the twin boxes of reason and reality, whereas Trump is not so shackled.

For instance, if he doesn’t want to talk to Mueller, he won’t. If he is subpoenaed , he’ll ignore it. And under the current system, who is going to arrest him? Trump is, to a large extent, quite invulnerable because he ignores or doen’t accept everything that binds all of us.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 3:26:43am

re: #79 Lupin

Trump is, to a large extent, quite invulnerable because he ignores or doen’t accept everything that binds all of us.

And his party, the only people with the power to force him to comply, are unwilling to do so.

There is enough evidence out there to convict him on Emoluments Clause violations, conflicts of interest and obstructing justice, but the political will is lacking

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wheat-dogg  Jan 11, 2018 • 3:37:50am

The latest development in our ever continuing story of Fuck the Poor.

Trump administration to allow work requirements for Medicaid recipients, a major shift that could bring legal challenges

The new guidance will enable states to deny benefits to able-bodied adults unless they have jobs or participate in work-related activities or “community engagement.”

Such requirements, long pushed by conservatives, represent a tectonic change for the Medicaid program — which for more than a half-century has been a pillar of the nation’s social safety net. Critics say they contradict the objectives of the program and vow to sue.

washingtonpost.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 3:41:24am

re: #81 wheat-dogg

The latest development in our ever continuing story of Fuck the Poor.

Trump administration to allow work requirements for Medicaid recipients, a major shift that could bring legal challenges

washingtonpost.com

keep your government hands off my medicaid!

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Bubblehead II  Jan 11, 2018 • 3:49:10am

It’s awake.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 4:01:20am

re: #83 Bubblehead II

remove question marks and you have current RW talking points

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Bubblehead II  Jan 11, 2018 • 4:02:18am

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

remove question marks and you have current RW talking points

It’s all they have.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2018 • 4:47:10am

re: #33 Decatur Deb

God only speaks Hebrew and Latin. If you’re forgiven in English, Someone’s fucking with you.

Not Latin. Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 4:50:50am

moron…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 4:54:20am

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

“House votes on controversial FISA ACT today.” This is the act that may have been used, with the help of the discredited and phony Dossier, to so badly surveil and abuse the Trump Campaign by the previous administration and others?

this is not completely moronic: it is phrased to create the impression that Obama was somehow illegally spying on his campaign

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2018 • 4:56:58am

Having Trump as President is little different from having John Gotti as President. He is putting true criminals into the Justice Department and throughout the administration, giving them the opportunity to see government evidence against them and allowing organizations such as Deutsche Bank to escape punishment for their criminal activities and to continue engaging in such behavior. This may be irreparable damage to our institutions.

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Lupin  Jan 11, 2018 • 4:57:55am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And his party, the only people with the power to force him to comply, are unwilling to do so.

There is enough evidence out there to convict him on Emoluments Clause violations, conflicts of interest and obstructing justice, but the political will is lacking

It’s not just the political will in Congress. If at the end of the day, Trump refuses to budge, I’m not sure the police or army will want to get involved, and if they do, you’ll have an armed insurrection of your hands.

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Lupin  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:01:48am

re: #89 Hecuba’s daughter

Having Trump as President is little different from having John Gotti as President. He is putting true criminals into the Justice Department and throughout the administration, giving them the opportunity to see government evidence against them and allowing organizations such as Deutsche Bank to escape punishment for their criminal activities and to continue engaging in such behavior. This may be irreparable damage to our institutions.

It’s actually worse than that because, within the context of the US of A, there were powers greater than Gotti to which he was forced to submit; there is literally no power greater than Trump.

You’re playing Monopoly by the rules. A player brazenly grabs a bunch of cash from the bank. All the other players tell him to put it back. He refuses. The only options left are game over or fisticuffs.

The pontificating naifs interviewing Michael Wolff last week-end have no clues of what mess you’re really in.

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sagehen  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:09:03am

re: #89 Hecuba’s daughter

Having Trump as President is little different from having John Gotti as President. He is putting true criminals into the Justice Department and throughout the administration, giving them the opportunity to see government evidence against them and allowing organizations such as Deutsche Bank to escape punishment for their criminal activities and to continue engaging in such behavior. This may be irreparable damage to our institutions.

It’s totally different. John Gotti was efficient, had a loyal/reliable staff, made an effort to avoid public outbursts that might embarrass his supporters, and donated significant sums to charity.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:13:02am

re: #91 Lupin

It’s actually worse than that because, within the context of the US of A, there were powers greater than Gotti to which he was forced to submit; there is literally no power greater than Trump.

You’re playing Monopoly by the rules. A player brazenly grabs a bunch of cash from the bank. All the other players tell him to put it back. He refuses. The only options left are game over or fisticuffs.

The pontificating naifs interviewing Michael Wolff last week-end have no clues of what mess you’re really in.

Except all the other players aren’t asking him to put it back. Half the players are either ignoring his behavior or accusing you of violating the rules. If the GOP wanted him to go, he would be gone.

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sagehen  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:14:40am

re: #90 Lupin

It’s not just the political will in Congress. If at the end of the day, Trump refuses to budge, I’m not sure the police or army will want to get involved, and if they do, you’ll have an armed insurrection of your hands.

It is just the political will in Congress, plus whatever Mueller files.

If the legislative and judicial branches are in agreement, the executive is hosed. The military, including Kelly and McMaster, will absolutely force him to budge. And the Secret Service won’t try to stand in their way. Remember also that the intelligence services really dislike this President. There’s a lot of information they haven’t released, but they could.

Eric Prince could make it messy, but even he doesn’t have enough firepower to defeat all of the above. And if he were stupid enough to try, Treasury could take everything he owns.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:15:33am

re: #93 Hecuba’s daughter

Except all the other players aren’t asking him to put it back. Half the players are either ignoring his behavior or accusing you of violating the rules. If the GOP wanted him to go, he would be gone.

There is enough out there without an FBI investigation. Point of Mueller is to present a case that makes it difficult for them not to react to it.

Which is the reason behind these ongoing attempts to discredit the FBI and the rule of law in general, to give them an excuse to ignore Mueller’s findings.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:31:33am

re: #86 Hecuba’s daughter

Not Latin. Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.

“Ego te absolvo.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:35:32am

re: #96 Decatur Deb

“Ego te absolvo.”

I see!! Mea Maxima Culpa!! But don’t tell the evangelicals that.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:37:04am

Here’s a breakdown chart of our new Trumpian workforce:

Majority of People Covered by Medicaid, and Similar Programs, are Children, Older Adults, or Disabled

prb.org

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:38:03am

re: #92 sagehen

It’s totally different. John Gotti was efficient, had a loyal/reliable staff, made an effort to avoid public outbursts that might embarrass his supporters, and donated significant sums to charity.

And any of his staff who dissed him would be joining Jimmy Hoffa.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:38:24am

re: #97 Hecuba’s daughter

I see!! Mea Maxima Culpa!! But don’t tell the evangelicals that.

Noobies.

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LastYearsMan  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:44:44am

FoxNews should start a program called “Commander in Tweets”, featuring nonstop coverage of Trump’s tweets, and air it around 10:55am. Trump would never start his day of “work”, and would just get sucked into an endless feedback loop.

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Old Liberal  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:49:09am

re: #67 majii

“The Trump-supporting, former Navy SEAL governor of Missouri having an affair isn’t the story here. He allegedly photographed his mistress naked to *blackmail* her. That ends his career. “

Nope, no it won’t. It will only endear him to those in Missouri who voted for him. We saw how “conservatives” rallied to Moore’s side in Alabama in spite of a series of women alleging that he is a pedophile. I saw a pic of him and his wife as he was responding to the allegations. She looked miserable standing beside him, but that didn’t keep her from claiming that they’re working on their marriage, and the incident is now a matter between them and God. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. This is his second marriage. His first wife divorced him in 2003. He married the current one in 2011 and has two kids. Since he had the affair in 2015, four years into their marriage, it appears to me that he didn’t take his vows seriously. It makes me wonder whether his inability to remain faithful was a factor in his first wife divorcing his behind. What pisses me off the most is how RW pols like him present themselves as ‘holier than thou” and proceed to stick their d*mn noses into everybody else’s bedrooms while they’re doing the same things, or worse things, than those they’re condemning others for. They need to sit their butts down somewhere, STFU, and get their own lives in order before they intervene in others’ personal lives.

The entire evangelical groove is “repentence leads to salvation”. They reach ecstasy whenever someone gives their “testimony” of how they “once were lost but now are found”. If you don’t have a dramatic “story” to tell about what a wretched sinner you were, you are of lesser value. This goes back to all the tent meetings and Billy Graham “crusades” where they called all the “sinners” to come and accept jeebus. For a good conman, they make perfect marks. They’ll love you while you screw them over and lie to them. Just have a good story to share.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:51:42am

Nova had an AMAZING show last night on black holes. They presented it in a very easy to understand (even this dumbass) format. I recommend it highly.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:54:48am

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

so badly surveil and abuse the Trump Campaign

This is the part that sticks out to me. Such whining very victim.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:57:25am

re: #102 Old Liberal

The entire evangelical groove is “repentence leads to salvation”. They reach ecstasy whenever someone gives their “testimony” of how they “once were lost but now are found”. If you don’t have a dramatic “story” to tell about what a wretched sinner you were, you are of lesser value. This goes back to all the tent meetings and Billy Graham “crusades” where they called all the “sinners” to come and accept jeebus. For a good conman, they make perfect marks. They’ll love you while you screw them over and lie to them. Just have a good story to share.

That’s all fine and great for the fake “Christians”. But blackmail is illegal. Their “god” might forgive them but the courts will not.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:57:42am

re: #102 Old Liberal

The entire evangelical groove is “repentence leads to salvation”. They reach ecstasy whenever someone gives their “testimony” of how they “once were lost but now are found”. If you don’t have a dramatic “story” to tell about what a wretched sinner you were, you are of lesser value.

Which is why any child molester or wife abuser can fall on his knees and be forgiven, but those liberal baby killers must stay outside God’s glory until they repent their ways and concede that a woman’s body belongs to her fetus and not the other way around.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2018 • 5:59:11am

If that’s how he treats his lover, how would he treat his POWs?

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jeffreyw  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:03:32am

Imgur

Good morning!

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:04:20am
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wheat-dogg  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:04:36am

Twitler tricked by Fox News to oppose the very surveillance bill his administration supports.

nymag.com

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:05:05am

re: #110 wheat-dogg

Twitler tricked by Fox News to oppose the very surveillance bill his administration supports.

nymag.com

His own administration is the Deep State.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:07:43am

re: #111 Sir John Barron

His own administration is the Deep State.

/

Derp State—easy mistake.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:09:29am

re: #102 Old Liberal

The entire evangelical groove is “repentence leads to salvation”. They reach ecstasy whenever someone gives their “testimony” of how they “once were lost but now are found”. If you don’t have a dramatic “story” to tell about what a wretched sinner you were, you are of lesser value. This goes back to all the tent meetings and Billy Graham “crusades” where they called all the “sinners” to come and accept jeebus. For a good conman, they make perfect marks. They’ll love you while you screw them over and lie to them. Just have a good story to share.

Greitens is Jewish — so he may not escape political retribution. No repentance that clears away your sins.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:11:21am

re: #103 Shropshire Slasher

Nova had an AMAZING show last night on black holes. They presented it in a very easy to understand (even this dumbass) format. I recommend it highly.

Best moment: Physicist describing the gravity wave-induced time shift on a laser interferometer as “itsy, bitsy, teenie, weenie”.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:12:45am

re: #113 Hecuba’s daughter

Greitens is Jewish — so he may not escape political retribution. No repentance that clears away your sins.

He’s described as a protege of Pence. Perhaps he converted, like his conversion from Democrat to Republican.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:12:54am

re: #112 Decatur Deb

Derp State—easy mistake.

A couple of quick witted housekeepers could become unsung heroes by simply planting ideas in his head as he moves from room to room.
“Good morning Mr. President you’re so right off shore oil drilling should be suspended.”
“Here’s your diet coke Mr. President and may I commend you on calling for a clean DACA bill and firing Betsy DeVos.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:13:08am

re: #108 jeffreyw

When I awoke, a dire wolf, six hundred pounds of sin, was grinning at my window, all I sad was “come right in.”

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Old Liberal  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:13:28am

re: #113 Hecuba’s daughter

Greitens is Jewish — so he may not escape political retribution. No repentance that clears away your sins.

Didn’t know that……is he a Messianic Jew? Jews for jeebus? For the evangelicals, that is like three cherries on the slot machine. Trump’s lawyer Sekulow has been making bank on that.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:14:38am

re: #117 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When I awoke, a dire wolf, six hundred pounds of sin, was grinning at my window, all I sad was “come right in.”

Don’t murder me
I beg of you don’t murder me
Ple-ease don’t murder me…

Thanks for the ear worm.

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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:16:15am

i’m not going to read f&f. i’ve read some of the commentary and the new york magazine excerpt and some others. and i thank all of you who have read and reported on it. i really cant be bothered.

here’s a thought question:

Has trump “ruined” the presidency?
has his ascension, behavior, etc, changed the presidency forever for which there is no “going back”?

can’t the next person more or less simply pick up with statesmanship, decorum, curiosity, interest, organization etc?

sure he may have affected some things - some standards, assumptions, conventions.
and he’s been abetted by a willing republican congress.

my opinion, for whatever it’s worth is that while he has left an indelible mark (hopefully always shown with an asterisk), his singular boorish behavior not change the nature of the presidency in any permanent way

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:20:10am

Someone got to him.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:22:03am

re: #121 darthstar

Someone got to him.

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Second tweet is unclear enough that I wonder if he really understood what he was writing.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:22:24am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:23:43am

This slate article highlights a point I have been making for a long time:

The Working White House
Donald Trump’s distractions give cover to an administration that is quietly enacting its policy goals.

they know that we will go off endlessly about his latest gaffe, his mental state, or his threats to start a nuclear war.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch…

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:23:55am

Dreamers, Chip beneficiaries, unparalleled corruption, etc., etc…. Great job sticking to your principles, Bernie supporters.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:26:02am

re: #125 Barefoot Grin

Dreamers, Chip beneficiaries, unparalleled corruption, etc., etc…. Great job sticking to your principles, Bernie supporters.

Bernie supporters are just like Trump supporters: they really think Hillary was a demon.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:26:06am

re: #113 Hecuba’s daughter

Greitens is Jewish — so he may not escape political retribution. No repentance that clears away your sins.

Repentance clears away your sins against G-D, for example if you neglected to pray or you violated the Sabbath or you ate non kosher food.

Sins committed against another human being can’t be forgiven by G-D, they can only be forgiven by the person who was sinned against.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:27:28am

re: #120 dangerman

i’m not going to read f&f. i’ve read some of the commentary and the new york magazine excerpt and some others. and i thank all of you who have read and reported on it. i really cant be bothered.

here’s a thought question:

Has trump “ruined” the presidency?
has his ascension, behavior, etc, changed the presidency forever for which there is no “going back”?

can’t the next person more or less simply pick up with statesmanship, decorum, curiosity, interest, organization etc?

sure he may have affected some things - some standards, assumptions, conventions.
and he’s been abetted by a willing republican congress.

my opinion, for whatever it’s worth is that while he has left an indelible mark (hopefully always shown with an asterisk), his singular boorish behavior not change the nature of the presidency in any permanent way

The permanency is that American’s voted for this dolt. How does any other nation state (our allies) trust what America says or does when we, as a populace, voted for this moron? That’s the permanency I see.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:27:36am

Yabbut, what if you get caught talking to those foreign bad guys on foreign land, about stuff like, oh I dunno, them messing in the election on your behalf.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:28:12am

re: #126 Hecuba’s daughter

Bernie supporters are just like Trump supporters: they really think Hillary was a demon.

there were also those who insisted there was no difference between the two

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:29:07am
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MsJ  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:30:30am

re: #126 Hecuba’s daughter

Bernie supporters are just like Trump supporters: they really think Hillary was a demon.

Please don’t discount all the ratfucking that went on. I don’t think the majority of Bernie supporters were BernieBros. The majority of them voted for Clinton. But enough people (with Russian ratfucking) voted for Stein.

I greatly dislike Bernie and have since the start, but I don’t think his voters were MOSTLY that stupid. Of course, in my eyes, Bernie did a bit of his own ratfucking by staying in the primary as he did for so long. But that’s a different story.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:32:05am

re: #132 MsJ

Please don’t discount all the ratfucking that went on. I don’t think the majority of Bernie supporters were BernieBros. The majority of them voted for Clinton. But enough people (with Russian ratfucking) voted for Stein.

I greatly dislike Bernie and have since the start, but I don’t think his voters were MOSTLY that stupid. Of course, in my eyes, Bernie did a bit of his own ratfucking by staying in the primary as he did for so long. But that’s a different story.

You are right — I should have qualified my remarks by limiting them to BernieBros. As you said, most Bernie supporters voted for her.

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William Lewis  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:32:28am

re: #127 The Vicious Babushka

Repentance clears away your sins against G-D, for example if you neglected to pray or you violated the Sabbath or you ate non kosher food.

Sins committed against another human being can’t be forgiven by G-D, they can only be forgiven by the person who was sinned against.

Though too many don’t like to see it, there is an element of this doctrine still in Christianity. In the Lord’s Prayer to God, He says “Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us.” We are expected to forgive those who have done us ill and if we don’t, we are not to expect forgiveness from God. Unfortunately this is more often used as a weapon to bludgeon people into behaving the way the rich and powerful want which is not the same as the way God wants.

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Old Liberal  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:36:40am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This slate article highlights a point I have been making for a long time:

The Working White House
Donald Trump’s distractions give cover to an administration that is quietly enacting its policy goals.

they know that we will go off endlessly about his latest gaffe, his mental state, or his threats to start a nuclear war.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch…

No doubt. What can people like us do to block these things? What can Democrats in Congress do about it? Not being defeatist, asking serious question. In some ways, it seems more effective to focus on the clownshow to get unengaged people more engaged. A lot of the clownshow matters too. We’re in the Kardashain epoch.

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danarchy  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:36:51am

re: #68 Kragar

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10th or go home.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:38:11am
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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:40:17am
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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:44:16am
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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:44:24am

currently:

YouTube

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:45:42am

Fascinating article.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:47:35am

re: #139 darthstar

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Yep. Makes me feel less weird for being 30 with a great grandfather born before the centennial.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:47:56am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

With that being said, I have personally directed the fix to the unmasking process since taking office and today’s vote is about foreign surveillance of foreign bad guys on foreign land. We need it! Get smart!

— Donald J. Trump

Does dotard know what “the unmasking process” is? Does anyone?

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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:48:15am

re: #128 MsJ

The permanency is that American’s voted for this dolt. How does any other nation state (our allies) trust what America says or does when we, as a populace, voted for this moron? That’s the permanency I see.

i think to a large extent that depends on how the next election(s) go.
who gets nominated - who the candidates are and how they act
how the voting public acts and reacts
to a lesser extent, how the media behaves

the world will see we are again serious and deserve respect if we are serious and earn respect

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:49:00am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:50:15am

re: #25 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s the evangelical Republican voters who forgive every moral sin committed by Republicans. All you have to do is be anti-choice, and they will line up to vote for you regardless of your flaws.

Example “A” Scott DesJarlais forces his mistresses to have abortions. He votes for every piece of antiabortion legislation he can get his hands on. When he gets caught about what he made his mistresses do he yells “Jesus Forgives Me” and the brainwashed crackers in his district re-elect him by a landslide…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:53:18am

re: #146 Joe Bacon 🌹

Example “A” Scott DesJarlais forces his mistresses to have abortions. He votes for every piece of antiabortion legislation he can get his hands on. When he gets caught about what he made his mistresses do he yells “Jesus Forgives Me” and the brainwashed crackers in his district re-elect him by a landslide…

It’s the selective bs that pisses me off. Kind of like you know Kim Davis refusing to issue same sex marriage applications and being held up as an example of moral virtue despite her own past.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:54:53am

re: #135 Old Liberal

No doubt. What can people like us do to block these things? What can Democrats in Congress do about it? Not being defeatist, asking serious question. In some ways, it seems more effective to focus on the clownshow to get unengaged people more engaged. A lot of the clownshow matters too. We’re in the Kardashain epoch.

That is the point; they know that we would rather chase these squirrels than sit down and discuss the issues that are really shaping our nation and our lives.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:56:00am

re: #139 darthstar

Another way to think about this: There are people who could look at you today, in 2018, and say: “Yeah, my dad was 8 years old when the war started.”

“World War 2?”

“Ha, nope.”

“Oh wow, World War 1?”

“The Civil War.”

My dad was born the year that WW1 started

My oldest sis was born the year that WW2 started

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:56:27am

re: #143 Sir John Barron

Does dotard know what “the unmasking process” is? Does anyone?

It sounds sinister, like something that Batman does to the Riddler…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 6:57:40am

re: #147 HappyWarrior

It’s the selective bs that pisses me off. Kind of like you know Kim Davis refusing to issue same sex marriage applications and being held up as an example of moral virtue despite her own past.

again, if they beg for forgiveness for something they did, that is fine. but democrat baby killers can never be forgiven until they knuckle down and admit that a woman belongs to her fetus and not the other way around

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:00:59am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, if they beg for forgiveness for something they did, that is fine. but democrat baby killers can never be forgiven until they knuckle down and admit that a woman belongs to her fetus and not the other way around

I know. I’m just saying that it’s the selective bs that pisses me off.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:02:44am
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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:03:00am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is the point; they know that we would rather chase these squirrels than sit down and discuss the issues that are really shaping our nation and our lives.

Their followers don’t want to talk about substantive issues. I know, I keep trying. And most of them around here don’t think it will affect them.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:03:11am

re: #141 MsJ

Related

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Old Liberal  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:04:16am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is the point; they know that we would rather chase these squirrels than sit down and discuss the issues that are really shaping our nation and our lives.

But where are we going to sit down? Who is going to sit down? Maybe I am misunderstanding, but you seem to be implying that there is some available option that we are refusing to access, a place where people are dying to discuss policy and the media hungers to cover it. Please tell me where, and I’ll be there.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:05:58am

re: #126 Hecuba’s daughter

Bernie supporters are just like Trump supporters: they really think Hillary was a demon.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:06:07am

re: #153 darthstar

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Stable genius right there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:07:09am

re: #156 Old Liberal

But where are we going to sit down? Who is going to sit down? Maybe I am misunderstanding, but you seem to be implying that there is some available option that we are refusing to access, a place where people are dying to discuss policy and the media hungers to cover it. Please tell me where, and I’ll be there.

Actually, it’s right over here by the…SQUIRREL!!!!

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:07:18am

OMG Twitter is shadow banning!
Go to Drudge if you want the down low, from project veritas. I won’t click on it. I am sure there will be an exam on it later. I am sure it will be completely unfounded.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:07:42am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is the point; they know that we would rather chase these squirrels than sit down and discuss the issues that are really shaping our nation and our lives.

We need to do both, IMO. And both are being done, and in a limited way, achieving results.

Were it not for people pointing out over and over again Trump’s insanity as regards his conduct as president, how many casual observers would have accepted that conduct as business as usual? Maybe not enough people have caught on at this point, but that’s why we need to keep ringing that bell.

Democrats hammered the administration incessantly on ACA, and what do you know - even being in the minority and working against a media stacked against them, they got the message out that Trumpcare was a scam.

Meanwhile, people like Maddow, Melber, O’Donnell and others are discussing the issues day in and day out, and people are beginning to listen. As many as we’d like? Probably not. Enough to stop odious legislation like the tax scam? Unfortunately not.

But the (small) success there is that the record shows that the tax scam is a giveaway to the rich. As much as Trumpers would have liked to run roughshod over that message and kill it, they were unable to. And it will cost them. Today? No. In the mid-terms? Absolutely, provided we do the work to get people out to vote.

This is, for lack of a better term, a multi-front war. We cannot neglect any aspect of how Trump is fucking this country over. ‘Chasing the squirrels’ and educating people about bad legislation and illegalities are of a piece here. We must continue to do both.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:08:09am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My dad was born the year that WW1 started

My oldest sis was born the year that WW2 started

My grandpa died in the Spanish flu pandemic. My dad was born 6 months later.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:08:49am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

My grandpa died in the Spanish flu pandemic. My dad was born 6 months later.

My mom was born in June 1918, right in the midst of it. I guess it is good fortune that she survived that…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:09:26am

Are twitter embeds broken? Can’t click on the twitter box to go to the twitter page. Only the links embedded in the twitter box.

It is possible that our admins have also done gone and broken something on this end. Running Google Chrome on an OS that is mostly Win7.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:09:30am

re: #155 wheat-dogg

Related

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Very interesting. Mueller doesn’t have jurisdiction to look at their payrolls. That’d be a very interesting read. Most of these seem to be far right euroskeptic parties rather than center right I.e the Tories in the UK. CDU in Germany, or Sarkozy’s in France whose party name escapes me in France.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:10:22am

re: #160 Shropshire Slasher

Since I am a moran and don’t know what shadow banning is:

Shadow banning (also called stealth banning, ghost banning or comment ghosting) is the act of blocking a user or their content from an online community such that the user does not realize that they have been banned.

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:10:48am

Oldest grandparent born 1912. Youngest born 1929.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:11:37am

re: #164 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Oh, and nothing other than words.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:12:40am
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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:13:07am

Smart move by Schiff.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:14:59am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:15:45am

I find myself wondering more and more of Trump is just easily conned or being blackmailed by the Kremlin.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:17:19am

Hates the media. Based his decisions on what FNC says. Sounds legit.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:19:56am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Hates the media. Based his decisions on what FNC says. Sounds legit.

But Fox is always, always canny enough to build a rhetorical wall between themselves and ‘the media.’

It’s always mystified me how folks can crow about Fox kicking everyone’s ass in the ratings, yet not be able to recognize a media leader as being part of the media. That’s a massive disconnect.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:20:27am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I find myself wondering more and more of Trump is just easily conned or being blackmailed by the Kremlin.

They loaned him a lot of money after the 2008 crisis. Now if you followed the latest Fargo series, it involved a businessman that did the same, and the creditors, it turns out, are not interested in being paid back, they instead come back and demand a piece of the company.

I see a similar thing happening here with DT’s businesses.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:20:33am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I find myself wondering more and more of Trump is just easily conned or being blackmailed by the Kremlin.

Why not both?

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:21:40am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

The weed of crime bears bitter fruit!

(I am listening to The Shadow!!)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:22:17am

re: #174 makeitstop

But Fox is always, always canny enough to build a rhetorical wall between themselves and ‘the media.’

It’s always mystified me how folks can crow about Fox kicking everyone’s ass in the ratings, yet not be able to recognize a media leader as being part of the media. That’s a massive disconnect.

Yeah same. I love how FNC especially Hannity brags about their ratings yet tries to act like they’re not the media. They ain’t journalists but they are the media.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:23:14am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They loaned him a lot of money after the 2008 crisis. Now if you followed the latest Fargo series, it involved a business that did the same, and the creditors, it turns out, are not interested in being paid back, they instead come back and demand a piece of the company.

I see a similar thing happening here with DT’s businesses.

Yeah I figure its money involved.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:23:28am

re: #176 makeitstop

Why not both?

Touché.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:25:04am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Yeah I figure its money involved.

he is in their debt in ways that he cannot comprehend

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:32:57am

re: #174 makeitstop

But Fox is always, always canny enough to build a rhetorical wall between themselves and ‘the media.’

It’s always mystified me how folks can crow about Fox kicking everyone’s ass in the ratings, yet not be able to recognize a media leader as being part of the media. That’s a massive disconnect.

yeah and talk radio isn’t “the media” and hundreds of conservative local papers aren’t “the media” and all the wingnut evangelical cable stations aren’t “media” etc.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:34:20am

re: #182 Sir John Barron

yeah and talk radio isn’t “the media” and hundreds of conservative local papers aren’t “the media” and all the wingnut evangelical cable stations aren’t “media” etc.

And they are all part of the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine!

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:35:38am

Promising.

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jeffreyw  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:35:56am

re: #166 Shropshire Slasher

Since I am a moran and don’t know what shadow banning is:

en.wikipedia.org

I got shadow banned from a subReddit, I didn’t have a clue why none of the pictures I was posting were getting any views, let alone updings. I messaged the mods because I thought there was some kind of glitch on their end.
A mod was all pissy as he explained that I was posting pics from my Flickr account (this was pre-Imgur). I was all WTF? Yeah, dude, they host all my pictures.
He said “They are all *your* pictures”! That seemed a tautology that left me bereft of a good explanation. “This is a community, post someone else’s pictures”, he explained.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:41:18am

re: #184 MsJ

Promising.

That’ll teach the poors.

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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:43:49am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I find myself wondering more and more of Trump is just easily conned or being blackmailed by the Kremlin.

while it could be either, or both, in general he’s just an uninquisitive idiot
he’s not a genius. He’s not “crazy like a fox.” He’s not a master strategist.

he keeps stepping in shit because he doesnt learn from one minute to the next

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Old Liberal  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:45:12am

re: #186 Sir John Barron

That’ll teach the poors.

////

But it will create jobs!!!! Need paperwork to prove jobs. Paperwork to prove you tried to find a job!!!!!!! Paperwork to cut you off for not presenting sufficient paperwork!!!!!!! So much winning paperwork. Oh, and emergency room paperwork too. And paperwork for hospitals to charge everyone else more to cover for the not-covered emergency room visits. Jobs in the pulp wood industry, and the copy machine industry.

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Teukka  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:47:13am

re: #169 Shropshire Slasher

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No. “The Mueller Knows”, with a remake of this excellent scene from the 90’s movie:

The Best Scene in The Shadow 1994

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:48:28am

Thanks Obama

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:53:33am

Thanks Obama

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:53:53am

re: #161 makeitstop

Well said.
I hate the “distraction” argument so much.

There was a major news day a while back, and not major in the sense that every day is now a major news day. It was a day when 2 mega stories broke. The jokes about which one was distracting from which was just the perfect way to put it.

It’s all bad. It’s all part of it. It’s all worth talking about.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:53:58am

re: #188 Old Liberal

But it will create jobs!!!! Need paperwork to prove jobs. Paperwork to prove you tried to find a job!!!!!!! Paperwork to cut you off for not presenting sufficient paperwork!!!!!!! So much winning paperwork. Oh, and emergency room paperwork too. And paperwork for hospitals to charge everyone else more to cover for the not-covered emergency room visits. Jobs in the pulp wood industry, and the copy machine industry.

Are there no workhouses? Are there no smoky coal mines?

/

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:54:25am

re: #193 Sir John Barron

Are there no workhouses? Are there no smoky coal mines?

/

Are there no Dollar Stores? Walmarts?

/

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wheat-dogg  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:59:26am

re: #189 Teukka

No. “The Mueller Knows”, with a remake of this excellent scene from the 90’s movie:

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Video

I like that movie, but no one in the real universe back then would be using a Cord as a taxicab. Those cars were expensive, even in the 1930s. But they sure looked cool!

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Stanley Sea  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:00:45am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Catching up from last night. This photo is fabulous!

But CL gave me my avatar so I’m never going to change it

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:01:18am

re: #168 Colère Tueur de Lapin

All is fine for me in Chrome Colère.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:03:23am

People in glass coffee houses shouldn’t throw scones.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:07:38am

re: #192 JordanRules

Well said.
I hate the “distraction” argument so much.

There was a major news day a while back, and not major in the sense that every day is now a major news day. It was a day when 2 mega stories broke. The jokes about which one was distracting from which was just the perfect way to put it.

It’s all bad. It’s all part of it. It’s all worth talking about.

Not to get too meta here, but worrying about distractions becomes a distraction in itself.

I always take the view that all we can do is simply persist, call them out on everything. While it seems overwhelming and sometimes futile, it’s hard to gauge progress when you’re inside a struggle. But the messaging on ACA worked. The messaging on the tax scam worked - even though they got it passed, the ‘giveaway to the rich’ idea has stuck.

It might seem like a pollyanna-ish approach to some, but I’m old and I lived through Watergate. For about 90% of that fight, it was fucking bleak. It seemed as though CREEP and their minions had a stranglehold on the narrative and Nixon would skate.

And then one day everybody realized that we had beaten that monolith. I refuse to abandon the belief that this current group of schmoes can also be beaten, because we beat Nixon, and he had smart people running the show.

Hoarse Whisperer’s moniker ‘Stupid Watergate’ is right on the money.

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:08:11am

I watch the old shows on Netflix.

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:13:40am

Another media outlet should follow up on this. I know SHS will lie and he’ll just be dumb, but it should still be formally addressed and on the record.

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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:15:34am

re: #164 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Are twitter embeds broken? Can’t click on the twitter box to go to the twitter page. Only the links embedded in the twitter box.

It is possible that our admins have also done gone and broken something on this end. Running Google Chrome on an OS that is mostly Win7.

im having this problem in chrome as well - no pictures
closed, reopened, rebooted, etc. no joy — well, no pictures

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:16:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:19:19am

so much bullshite

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:21:07am

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

so much bullshite

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Idiot.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:21:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:21:51am

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

so much bullshite

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I may be easily confused…but why would the actual jobless claims number, which is larger, be BETTER/”good news” than the estimated number?

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Old Liberal  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:24:02am

re: #199 makeitstop

Agree with everything here. I am somewhat intrigued why ACA repeal failed. I know there was a lot of pressure, but it came down to Murkowski, Collins, and (surprise) McCain. Lost all three of them on the tax bill. Lost Collins in her fake “deal with McConnell” over healthcare in the tax bill. The only thing I can imagine is that Collins & Murkowski were confronted with real people who were going to suffer/die if ACA went away, and they just couldn’t bring themselves to do it, while the others are totally cold-blooded. McCain’s no vote? Can’t figure that one out.

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:24:14am

re: #199 makeitstop

I saw a Watergate special on MSNBC a couple weeks ago. I did not live thru it. Seeing how much Republicans were willing to dismiss initially surprised me.

Oliver Wilson has called it Stupid Watergate for a while. I don’t think Hoarse is his secret account or anything but I do wonder whose account it is.

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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:25:51am

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

so much bullshite

Great news, as a result of our TAX CUTS & JOBS ACT! pic.twitter.com

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 11, 2018

that fast?

it’s like a miracle

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:25:56am

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

I may be easily confused…but why would the actual jobless claims number, which is larger, be BETTER/”good news” than the estimated number?

He just sees FNC praising his sorry ass and that’s all that matters.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:26:22am

re: #210 dangerman

that fast?

it’s like a miracle

He really has no idea how policy actually works.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:26:51am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My dad was born the year that WW1 started

My oldest sis was born the year that WW2 started

My father was born in 1906, I came along in 1954. 47+ year gap.

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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:28:18am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

He really has no idea how policy actually works.

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Old Liberal  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:28:53am

re: #209 JordanRules

I saw a Watergate special on MSNBC a couple weeks ago. I did not live thru it. Seeing how much Republicans were willing to dismiss initially surprised me.

Oliver Wilson has called it Stupid Watergate for a while. I don’t think Hoarse is his secret account or anything but I do wonder whose account it is.

I lived through it. Still makes me sick when I think about it, as the fear feelings come back. Were it not for Mark Feldt, Nixon may have won. That’s how thin it was.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:29:56am
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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:29:59am

re: #215 Old Liberal

I lived through it. Still makes me sick when I think about it, as the fear feelings come back. Were it not for Mark Feldt, Nixon may have won. That’s how thin it was.

and as i keep reminding, “it reached everywhere

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:30:08am

re: #208 Old Liberal

Agree with everything here. I am somewhat intrigued why ACA repeal failed. I know there was a lot of pressure, but it came down to Murkowski, Collins, and (surprise) McCain. Lost all three of them on the tax bill. Lost Collins in her fake “deal with McConnell” over healthcare in the tax bill. The only thing I can imagine is that Collins & Murkowski were confronted with real people who were going to suffer/die if ACA went away, and they just couldn’t bring themselves to do it, while the others are totally cold-blooded. McCain’s no vote? Can’t figure that one out.

For lack of a better explanation, I chalk up McCain’s vote as a stick in Trump’s eye.

Too bad his thirst for vengeance wasn’t enough to carry over to the tax bill.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:30:54am

re: #215 Old Liberal

I lived through it. Still makes me sick when I think about it, as the fear feelings come back. Were it not for Mark Feldt, Nixon may have won. That’s how thin it was.

He was a hero for what he did. I’m afraid John Dean was right though, Nixon would have survived Watergate if FNC was around then.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:32:30am
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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:33:07am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

He really has no idea how policy actually works.

Realize the savings we’ll bring you tomorrow yesterday!

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sagehen  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:33:12am

re: #144 dangerman

i think to a large extent that depends on how the next election(s) go.
who gets nominated - who the candidates are and how they act
how the voting public acts and reacts
to a lesser extent, how the media behaves

the world will see we are again serious and deserve respect if we are serious and earn respect

“Americans always do the right thing. Eventually. After they’ve tried everything else.”
—Winston Churchill.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:34:13am

re: #220 FormerDirtDart
I had this argument yesterday,.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:35:06am

re: #223 darthstar

I had this argument yesterday,.

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Look at all the crap I have open on my phone…no wonder it’s so slow.

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:36:56am

Got council…smarter than Carter Page at least.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:37:29am

re: #223 darthstar

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:38:29am

re: #171 makeitstop

Natasha Bertrand

@NatashaBertrand
Trump bucked his own White House on high-stakes surveillance law after watching Fox News businessinsider.com

10:09 AM - Jan 11, 2018
33 33 Replies 167 167 Retweets 302 302 likes

More proof of the Wolff book and what many have said about Trump. He has the attention and retention span of a nat. It also proves he has no idea what anyone else is doing at any given time.

Ah, but what a “show.” he can put on.

Acting!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:39:12am

re: #225 JordanRules

Got council…smarter than Carter Page at least.

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Bannon knowscwherevthe bodies are hidden.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:39:47am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I find myself wondering more and more of Trump is just easily conned or being blackmailed by the Kremlin.

Would he know either way?

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Skip Intro  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:40:05am

re: #200 JordanRules

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I watch the old shows on Netflix.

I used to watch his show and I never figured out how he did it.

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calochortus  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:40:33am

re: #213 ObserverArt

My father was born in 1906, I came along in 1954. 47+ year gap.

My dad was born in 1904 and I was born in 1953, so I have you beat by a tiny bit. His father was born in 1868. That side of the family was a teensy bit slow getting around to the fatherhood thing.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:40:48am

re: #229 ObserverArt

Would he know either way?

Fair point.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:41:53am

re: #174 makeitstop

But Fox is always, always canny enough to build a rhetorical wall between themselves and ‘the media.’

It’s always mystified me how folks can crow about Fox kicking everyone’s ass in the ratings, yet not be able to recognize a media leader as being part of the media. That’s a massive disconnect.

Part of this thread is about Evangelism.

Fox is a religion, not media. You gotta believe. They are a way to the truth. Other media is not, they sin with misleading alternate facts.

Yeah, I do think it is that simple.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:42:07am

re: #231 calochortus

My dad was born in 1904 and I was born in 1953, so I have you beat by a tiny bit. His father was born in 1868. That side of the family was a teensy bit slow getting around to the fatherhood thing.

It’s always amused me how many youngest sons and daughters I’m descended from.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:42:57am

My winter resident…. She was at the feeder at 15’.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:47:53am

re: #235 Dave In Austin

Cute little bird. Thanks for making me smile.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:49:14am

Bannon is getting a show on MSNBC
//

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:50:11am

re: #237 FormerDirtDart

Bannon is getting a show on MSNBC
//

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Steve Bannon yells at kids to leave him alone, he used to be big?

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:50:29am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:51:06am

re: #237 FormerDirtDart

Who wants an alcoholic slob on TV? Oh … Yeah :(

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:52:22am

re: #237 FormerDirtDart

Bannon is getting a show on MSNBC
//

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I guess the makeup department will be expanding, then. Gonna need…specialists.

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:52:44am

His tenure as Gov is one of the most pleasantly surprising things I’ve been wrong about in politics.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:52:58am

re: #239 DodgerFan1988

I really can’t see how Trump is planning on getting re-elected when he’s apparently going to kill a sizeable chunk of his voter base.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:53:39am

re: #200 JordanRules

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I watch the old shows on Netflix.

Did you know there was a similar show on TV prior to that. I used to watch it. In some ways it got me pushing a pencil at a very early age. I guess that is right when I knew I was going to be an artist.

Learn to Draw with Jon Nagy

JON GNAGY’S LEARN TO DRAW

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:53:47am

re: #220 FormerDirtDart

Who you gonna believe? Reality or Our Favorite President?

/

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:54:03am

re: #242 JordanRules

His tenure as Gov is one of the most pleasantly surprising things I’ve been wrong about in politics.

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Ditto that. I met his wife. Very gracious and humble woman. The McAuliffes deserve props.

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retired cynic  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:54:07am

re: #127 The Vicious Babushka

Repentance clears away your sins against G-D, for example if you neglected to pray or you violated the Sabbath or you ate non kosher food.

Sins committed against another human being can’t be forgiven by G-D, they can only be forgiven by the person who was sinned against.

I was raised as a Methodist, but this sure comes close to the way I think and feel.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:54:52am

re: #243 Dr Lizardo

I really can’t see how Trump is planning on getting re-elected when he’s apparently going to kill a sizeable chunk of his voter base.

As long as he finds a scapegoat by the election, he knows many will go along.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:55:30am

re: #237 FormerDirtDart

Bannon is getting a show on MSNBC
//

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A FoodNetwork show where he rates booze that comes in plastic bottles.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:55:32am

re: #247 retired cynic

I was raised as a Methodist, but this sure comes close to the way I think and feel.

Yes, this.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:55:54am

re: #202 dangerman

im having this problem in chrome as well - no pictures
closed, reopened, rebooted, etc. no joy — well, no pictures

Ahhhh. The Twitter Jitters!

Dependency. : )

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:56:48am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:57:21am

re: #241 makeitstop

I guess the makeup department will be expanding, then. Gonna need…specialists.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:57:35am

re: #243 Dr Lizardo

I really can’t see how Trump is planning on getting re-elected when he’s apparently going to kill a sizeable chunk of his voter base.

After 2016, I’ll never overestimate the intelligence and commonsense of the American electorate.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:57:51am

re: #249 bill d. (b.d.)

Reminder to give PBS more money so they can continue to have good cooking shows.

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plansbandc  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:58:00am

Disarming a mine. Oh my God.

Cambodian shows how to disarm a mine

Many questions, but the main one is, how many people blew themselves up attempting to learn how to disarm a mine? And holy crap. That is one godforsaken profession.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:59:04am

I see no problem with giving felons the right to vote back. No need to make someone a second class citizen for crimes they’ve already been convicted and served time for. And yeah as much as I dislike guns, I feel that way about non violent felons and guns too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:59:33am

re: #256 plansbandc

Disarming a mine. Oh my God.

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Many questions, but the main one is, how many people blew themselves up attempting to learn how to disarm a mine? And holy crap. That is one godforsaken profession.

What’s a job I’ll never want, Alex?

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 8:59:57am

Dude’s running against Sherrod Brown.

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Renaissance_Man  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:01:04am

re: #243 Dr Lizardo

I really can’t see how Trump is planning on getting re-elected when he’s apparently going to kill a sizeable chunk of his voter base.

Trump is planning nothing - he lacks the capacity to plan even minutes into the future. Someone said he has the attention span of a rat, but that’s untrue, because a rat can find its way through a maze, and it’s fairly clear that he can’t.

As far as FOX is planning, though, they may or may not be planning on winning the presidency again in 2020. They are well positioned no matter what, as their dominance over the US media and the American people won’t change regardless.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:02:40am

re: #244 ObserverArt

Did you know there was a similar show on TV prior to that. I used to watch it. In some ways it got me pushing a pencil at a very early age. I guess that is right when I knew I was going to be an artist.

Learn to Draw with Jon Nagy

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I remember seeing Nagy’s adverts in comic books when I was a kid.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:04:41am

re: #235 Dave In Austin

My winter resident…. She was at the feeder at 15’.

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Wow. You got her to actually stop flapping those wings, and settle down for a long draw. Nice.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:04:41am

re: #200 JordanRules

Thank you. I always enjoyed watching Bob Ross. Maybe that is why I enjoy PBS so much.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:05:18am

re: #220 FormerDirtDart

So, he is getting some of his advice from Barron.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:06:07am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

As long as he finds a scapegoat by the election, he knows many will go along.

“But, but illegals!”

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:06:43am

re: #244 ObserverArt

That’s cool!
I love that we have and can so easily share early video like this!

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:08:36am

re: #139 darthstar

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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:09:04am

re: #256 plansbandc

Disarming a mine. Oh my God.

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Many questions, but the main one is, how many people blew themselves up attempting to learn how to disarm a mine? And holy crap. That is one godforsaken profession.

one of my favorite (dated) series: Danger UXB
ww2 and london

available around youtube

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:09:30am

re: #265 DodgerFan1988

“But, but illegals!”

Yep. Sigh.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:09:33am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I see no problem with giving felons the right to vote back. No need to make someone a second class citizen for crimes they’ve already been convicted and served time for. And yeah as much as I dislike guns, I feel that way about non violent felons and guns too.

In Canada they are always considered citizens and vote from prison. You know, civilized like.

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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:10:08am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I see no problem with giving felons the right to vote back. No need to make someone a second class citizen for crimes they’ve already been convicted and served time for. And yeah as much as I dislike guns, I feel that way about non violent felons and guns too.

while i agree with this, i think anyone who screws up w/r/t guns etc, should permanently lose that privilege

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Skip Intro  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:12:22am

re: #270 MsJ

In Canada they are always considered citizens and vote from prison. You know, civilized like.

Maybe we could compromise and only give the vote back to the white ones.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:13:50am

re: #259 darthstar

Dude’s running against Sherrod Brown.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:15:05am

re: #271 dangerman

while i agree with this, i think anyone who screws up w/r/t guns etc, should permanently lose that privilege

Violent felons? Sure.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:15:35am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

Same here.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:16:24am

re: #260 Renaissance_Man

Trump is planning nothing - he lacks the capacity to plan even minutes into the future. Someone said he has the attention span of a rat, but that’s untrue, because a rat can find its way through a maze, and it’s fairly clear that he can’t.

As far as FOX is planning, though, they may or may not be planning on winning the presidency again in 2020. They are well positioned no matter what, as their dominance over the US media and the American people won’t change regardless.

Thankfully, Fox has a dying demographic. Nowhere near enough younger people to fill up the ratings as the older folks meet their makers.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:16:29am

re: #270 MsJ

In Canada they are always considered citizens and vote from prison. You know, civilized like.

Way I look at is this, most people behind bars are going to get out, why punish them forever? I hate our tough on crime culture which btw is why I could never work as a DA despite my great empathy for victims of crime.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:18:38am

re: #259 darthstar

Dude’s running against Sherrod Brown.

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What? I thought he was running for Ohio Johnny’s Governor’s seat. They must have talked him into changing up once awful Josh Mandel, the GOP’s hopeful youngish golden boy, dropped out due to his wife’s health.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:19:09am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Way I look at is this, most people behind bars are going to get out, why punish them forever? I hate our tough on crime culture which btw is why I could never work as a DA despite my great empathy for victims of crime.

I prefer the Canadian version. Prisoners are still citizens, and what happens still affects them. Our model is there to disenfranchise minorities.

If they don’t like the idea of convicted people voting for Democrats, they should not make so many convicts.

Edited slightly.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:19:20am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Way I look at is this, most people behind bars are going to get out, why punish them forever? I hate our tough on crime culture which btw is why I could never work as a DA despite my great empathy for victims of crime.

Anyone who is denied the vote after they’ve served their time, should also be exempt from paying taxes. Americans traditionally reject taxation without representation.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:20:55am

re: #279 Belafon

I prefer the Canadian version. Prisoners are still citizens, and what happens still affects them. Our model is there to disenfranchise minorities.

If they don’t like the idea of convicted people voting for Democrats, they should not make so convicts.

Yep I have to agree.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:21:07am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:21:18am

re: #280 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Anyone who is denied the vote after they’ve served their time, should also be exempt from paying taxes. Americans traditionally reject taxation without representation.

That’s too much common sense.

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:21:51am

Aint it funky now!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:22:09am

re: #282 darthstar

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Oh come on, didn’t you laugh when he used Judge Curiel’s ethnic background to drive the cultists crazy.

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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:22:30am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Violent felons? Sure.

anyone who demonstrates they cant be minimally responsible enough to control their weapon(s) at all times,

“lose control” in its use, misuse, lending, sale, storage, transport, etc., lose the privilege. no second chances (as it were)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:22:59am

re: #286 dangerman

anyone who demonstrates they cant be minimally responsible enough to control their weapon(s) at all times,

“lose control” in its use, misuse, lending, sale, storage, transport, etc., lose the privilege. no second chances (as it were)

That’s reasonable imo.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:25:29am

re: #26 Kragar

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Long form

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:26:48am

Public Service Announcement: Yesterday, I got a phishing email attempting to get my PayPal password. It said my Password had been changed, and looked like one of those emails you get when you change your password at sites. Clicking on the “click here if you didn’t change it” took me to a website that looked exactly like the PayPal login screen, but the address was completely wrong. I went to PayPal and logged in with my current password.

I reported it to PayPal.

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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:27:31am

re: #202 dangerman

im having this problem in chrome as well - no pictures
closed, reopened, rebooted, etc. no joy — well, no pictures

the problem seems to be chrome
i just logged in with internet explorer and images display fine

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:27:54am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Oh come on, didn’t you laugh when he used Judge Curiel’s ethnic background to drive the cultists crazy.

I’m just surprised the media stopped laughing before one of Trump’s followers starting killing reporters.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:29:07am

re: #289 Belafon

Public Service Announcement: Yesterday, I got a phishing email attempting to get my PayPal password. It said my Password had been changed, and looked like one of those emails you get when you change your password at sites. Clicking on the “click here if you didn’t change it” took me to a website that looked exactly like the PayPal login screen, but the address was completely wrong. I went to PayPal and logged in with my current password.

I reported it to PayPal.

Good move. I think it always best to ignore emails. Like you did, if you get a notice, go to the site and use your login as you always do. Links in emails are a no-will-do for me.

edit to add: A lot of times your spam protection should find it as spam. It should have looked at the links to see they didn’t go to PayPal and then end up in spam folder.

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:30:57am

re: #200 JordanRules

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I watch the old shows on Netflix.

Many episodes are on the official Bob Ross channel on YouTube.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:31:00am
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MsJ  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:32:27am

re: #289 Belafon

Public Service Announcement: Yesterday, I got a phishing email attempting to get my PayPal password. It said my Password had been changed, and looked like one of those emails you get when you change your password at sites. Clicking on the “click here if you didn’t change it” took me to a website that looked exactly like the PayPal login screen, but the address was completely wrong. I went to PayPal and logged in with my current password.

I reported it to PayPal.

I got one that I actually fell for (my first time). I got an “invoice” from “Apple” for an obscure app I bought a long time ago. When I clicked on the link it took me to what I thought was an Apple site. After not being able to log in, I immediately called Apple and we reset the password and I put all three credit reporting agencies on a Hold. Just in case.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:32:51am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:33:39am

re: #289 Belafon

Public Service Announcement: Yesterday, I got a phishing email attempting to get my PayPal password. It said my Password had been changed, and looked like one of those emails you get when you change your password at sites. Clicking on the “click here if you didn’t change it” took me to a website that looked exactly like the PayPal login screen, but the address was completely wrong. I went to PayPal and logged in with my current password.

I reported it to PayPal.

I got an email today that said “lonely Russian women looking for boyfriends”. Looked legit, so I clicked on the link.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:34:19am

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s just a bad idea aside from being unconstitutional.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:34:41am

re: #292 ObserverArt

Good move. I think it always best to ignore emails. Like you did, if you get a notice, go to the site and use your login as you always do. Links in emails are a no-will-do for me.

edit to add: A lot of times your spam protection should find it as spam. It should have looked at the links to see they didn’t go to PayPal and then end up in spam folder.

I normally do, but this one was convincing enough that I wanted to put in the extra effort to report it as phishing, and to make sure others know. A lot of the people around me aren’t always paying enough attention to not get hooked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:36:01am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:36:23am

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

Do you know why bible literacy classes are a bad idea in public schools? You probably don’t want me teaching it to your children.

he is being a bit snarky about it, but he has a valid point: on one hand, you have people who will feel compelled to use those courses to spread the Word of God, which will upset one group of people, and those who would be highly critical and objective, which would offend another group

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:37:24am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:37:35am

re: #289 Belafon

I got a letter from a company called TIO. They were telling me that my bank account information was breached. I asked my credit union and they confirmed that it was probably a scam to get information. I think I will take the letter to the Post Office and let them deal with it. I know if there is any breach Life Lock and my credit union will help me.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:39:37am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

he is being a bit snarky about it, but he has a valid point: on one hand, you have people who will feel compelled to use those courses to spread the Word of God, which will upset one group of people, and those who would be highly critical and objective, which would offend another group

And then there’s the third group:
Lesson 1: Talking about disowning your family and friends who don’t follow God’s law.
Lesson 2: Training left-handers to be assassins.
Lesson 3: Discussion of what the “wet door handle” in Song of Solomon really means.

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scottslemmons  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:40:13am

Meanwhile, anti-feminist scumbag Katie Roiphe was all set to dox the creator of the Shitty Media Men list, created a Twitter account to respond to criticism, and is getting ratio’d clear to hell and back.

Harper’s should feel embarrassed to be giving this creep a place to publish.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:40:26am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:40:55am

re: #303 PhillyPretzel

I got a letter from a company called TIO. They were telling me that my bank account information was breached. I asked my credit union and they confirmed that it was probably a scam to get information. I think I will take the letter to the Post Office and let them deal with it. I know if there is any breach Life Lock and my credit union will help me.

With emails, you can also forward them to the FBI. The Post Office is probably a good start for physical mail.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:41:16am

Lre: #306 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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We elected your uncle who gets all his news from FNC and thinks all else is lies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:41:36am

re: #304 Belafon

And then there’s the third group:
Lesson 1: Talking about disowning your family and friends who don’t follow God’s law.
Lesson 2: Training left-handers to be assassins.
Lesson 3: Discussion of what the “wet door handle” in Song of Solomon really means.

In any case, Biblical literature classes are fine at a high school or university level, but leave it out of the Public grade schools

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BeachDem  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:41:44am

re: #225 JordanRules

Got council…smarter than Carter Page at least.

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And I believe 99% of Bannon’s testimony will be against Jared and Ivanka, because I think he really hates those two with the heat of a thousand suns.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:43:31am

re: #310 BeachDem

And I believe 99% of Bannon’s testimony will be against Jared and Ivanka, because I think he really hates those two with the heat of a thousand suns.

Fine by me. They’re part of the problem.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:43:51am

Fox “news” has found a new woman to attack. Expect Trump to follow suit very soon.

Fox “news” has found a new woman to attack. Expect Trump to follow suit very soon.
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:46:02am

re: #312 Dr. Matt

Fox “news” has found a new woman to attack. Expect Trump to follow suit very soon.

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re: #312 Dr. Matt

Fox “news” has found a new woman to attack. Expect Trump to follow suit very soon.

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She apologized unlike Trump who attacked a sitting judge as a presidential nominee. And since when does FNC care about slurs?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:46:28am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:48:07am

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s nice to see this. I like the Post.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:49:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:51:03am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:52:58am

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Now that is one of the better uses for twitter. It good to see something like that.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:55:01am

re: #289 Belafon

Public Service Announcement: Yesterday, I got a phishing email attempting to get my PayPal password. It said my Password had been changed, and looked like one of those emails you get when you change your password at sites. Clicking on the “click here if you didn’t change it” took me to a website that looked exactly like the PayPal login screen, but the address was completely wrong. I went to PayPal and logged in with my current password.

I reported it to PayPal.

I got a notice that I had made a Netflix purchase on PayPal followed my an email from “PayPal” telling me what to do in case of questions. I checked my credit card and have no activity with Netflix. I don’t have a PayPal account.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:55:39am

Also…that sign!
Does the mine have so many accidents that a separate sign indicating an ambulance entrance is needed?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:55:56am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anything to distract from Trump eh Pravda America?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:56:22am

FNC is disgusting.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:57:26am

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also…that sign!
Does the mine have so many accidents that a separate sign indicating an ambulance entrance is needed?

And just think, PA will be able to cut off Medicaid to these “slackers”.

They didn’t want to be trained for a new job.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:58:19am

re: #324 Belafon

And just think, PA will be able to cut off Medicaid to these “slackers”.

They didn’t want to be trained for a new job.

That’s what pisses me off. I’m sorry that the job they had for years is gone but they refused retraining.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:00:18am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

FOREIGN FRIENDS!

But collusion with Russia is fine not illegal

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:01:03am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

That’s what pisses me off. I’m sorry that the job they had for years is gone but they refused retraining.

they were convinced that all we needed to do was elect someone to cut health, safety and environmental regulations and the well-paid jobs with benefits jobs would come booming back, without the need of unions

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:01:57am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
“House votes on controversial FISA ACT today.” This is the act that may have been used, with the help of the discredited and phony Dossier, to so badly surveil and abuse the Trump Campaign by the previous administration and others?
6:33 AM - Jan 11, 2018
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Twitter Ads info and privacy
ReplyReply w/ Quote

Renato Mariotti

@renato_mariotti
Someone should tell Trump that when judges sign FISA warrants to authorize surveillance, they make a finding that the target of the surveillance was acting on behalf of a foreign power.


6:52 AM - Jan 11, 2018
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Wait — Doesn’t that mean he opposes the legislation because a FISA warrant could be used to prove that he was acting on behalf of a foreign power?

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:04:17am

It seems our ambassador to the Netherlands is still having problems:

“If you’re truly an honest and wise man, could you please take back the remark about burned politicians or name the politician that was burned in the Netherlands?” [Roel] Geeraedts asked.

An uncomfortable silence followed the question.

“Thank you,” Hoekstra said, before trying to call on someone else over the clamor of the reporters in the room.

“Excuse me, I asked you a question,” Geeraedts said.

Another journalist jumped in.

“Mr. Ambassador, can you mention any example of a Dutch politician who was burned in recent years?”

Again, silence, as Hoekstra stared around the room.

“This is the Netherlands, you have to answer questions,” another reporter said.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:05:02am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

.@BarackObama White House’s lavish gifts from foreign friends revealed foxnews.com

— Fox News

GFY, FoxNews

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:06:28am

re: #329 Belafon

It seems our ambassador to the Netherlands is still having problems:

RESPECT ARE MAGA DIPLOMATS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:07:10am

O_o

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:08:05am

Kentucky’s sane voice in Congress:

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:08:08am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

“Nobody knows who I am there. Really.”

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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:08:08am

re: #330 Sir John Barron

GFY, FoxNews

State run media is doing their best to protect Herr Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:08:15am

re: #329 Belafon

“This is the Netherlands, you have to answer questions,” another reporter said.

and that, in a nutshell, is the problem we face with our press at home

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:08:53am
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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:10:19am

Question for people paying more attention to me: Where are all of the “What do Trump voters think now” pieces coming from? Are they all NYT now? I know there have been some earlier ones done by others, but I wonder what the trend has been.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:10:30am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:12:17am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

I bet ad spots on Fox and Friends cost a ton these days.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:13:57am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

MMfA, or anyone else for that matter, should create an app or website that has 24/7 live, real-time side-by-side coverage of Fox “news” and Shitler’s twitter feed. I’m sure the results would be frightening and expected.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:14:31am

I think I saw this movie a long time ago…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:15:29am

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I think I saw this movie a long time ago…

she probably did, too, thought it was a documentary

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John Carter  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:16:54am

re: #174 makeitstop

But Fox is always, always canny enough to build a rhetorical wall between themselves and ‘the media.’

It’s always mystified me how folks can crow about Fox kicking everyone’s ass in the ratings, yet not be able to recognize a media leader as being part of the media. That’s a massive disconnect.

We should start referring to them as Fox News Media

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:17:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:21:03am

:D

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:22:32am

YAY!!!

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:23:22am

Ben Shapiro, displaying the journalistic excellence that Andrew Breitbart taught him.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:23:45am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:27:50am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:27:57am

re: #348 Ace-o-aces

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Ben Shapiro, displaying the journalistic excellence that Andrew Breitbart taught him.

We are talking about someone who smeared Hagel as a Hamas fan. Shapiro only turned on the sky right because they hate him for being Jewish.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:28:42am

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good, that’s still gonna be a tough one to retain tho.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:29:45am
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darthstar  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:31:19am

“One of the cinnamon rolls has a fucking erection.”

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Jay C  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:31:52am

re: #336 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #329 Belafon

“This is the Netherlands, you have to answer questions,” another reporter said.

and that, in a nutshell, is the problem we face with our press at home

I noticed, though, that while most of the (justifiable) uproar was related to Amb. Hoekstra’s refusal to answer/clarify his statement(s) when asked directly, the content of those statements seems almost secondary - though it’s the same stale old Islamophobic canards (“no-go zones”, etc.) : does he think he’s playing to the Geert Wilders fringe??

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:33:09am

re: #356 Jay C

I noticed, though, that while most of the (justifiable) uproar was related to Amb. Hoekstra’s refusal to answer/clarify his statement(s) when asked directly, the content of those statements seems almost secondary - though it’s the same stale old Islamophobic canards (“no-go zones”, etc.) : does he think he’s playing to the Geert Wilders fringe??

That’s probably exactly what he’s doing. He’s also the senate candidate who had the racist Asian ad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:33:13am

re: #356 Jay C

I noticed, though, that while most of the (justifiable) uproar was related to Amb. Hoekstra’s refusal to answer/clarify his statement(s) when asked directly, the content of those statements seems almost secondary - though it’s the same stale old Islamophobic canards (“no-go zones”, etc.) : does he think he’s playing to the Geert Wilders fringe??

The point is, that when the press allows these statements to go unchallenged, a lot of people just assume that they actually have some merit

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:34:54am

re: #312 Dr. Matt

Fox “news” has found a new woman to attack. Expect Trump to follow suit very soon.

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Chelsea can handle this. She’ll be fine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:35:24am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:35:36am
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jaunte  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:35:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:36:54am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:37:50am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:38:33am

Props to the Dutch journalists.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:39:36am

The time when James O’Keefe attended a white nationalist conference.

splcenter.org

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:40:12am

re: #354 Charles Johnson

Amazing how credibly this dude and his scam organization continue to be treated by media after being busted for BS time and time again.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:40:56am

re: #366 DodgerFan1988

The time when James O’Keefe attended a white nationalist conference.

splcenter.org

I still remember when the right tried to make him a modern muckraker for the ACORN stunt. He’s a pathetic bigoted asshole.

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Skip Intro  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:42:35am

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:43:26am

re: #364 FormerDirtDart

Hoekstra struck dumb by a straightforward question about his dishonest and false claim, and tries to treat it as Trump would.

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gocart mozart  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:43:29am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:44:07am

Frankly, I wish O’Queef’s story was true and twitter was blocking Nazis/Conservatives. They don’t deserve a platform to spew their hatred.

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Jay C  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:44:08am

re: #365 HappyWarrior

Props to the Dutch journalists.

Also: props to NBC (at least one reporter, anyway) for highlighting the incident. I’m not sure we’ll be seeing a report on the Nightly News, though I guess Fox will be sure to bring up how mean all those nasty foreign reporters were to Poor Old Pete for “telling the truth” about what a Eurabian hellhole The Netherlands is…..

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:45:26am

re: #370 jaunte

Hoekstra struck dumb by a straightforward question about his dishonest and false claim, and tries to treat it as Trump would.

“Cut to commercial, cut to commercial! Welcome back to the studio! I got letters upon letters for how good my nonresponse was!”

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:46:41am

re: #374 Sir John Barron

I hope the Dutch press makes Hoekstra’s stay there an endless reiteration of the question.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:47:06am

re: #368 HappyWarrior

I still remember when the right tried to make him a modern muckraker for the ACORN stunt. He’s a pathetic bigoted asshole.

And it wasn’t hardly a month back when Veritas got veritas busted for trying to BS the Wash Post, send in a liar to spy.

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:48:20am

Woot!

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:55:59am

re: #303 PhillyPretzel

I got a letter from a company called TIO. They were telling me that my bank account information was breached. I asked my credit union and they confirmed that it was probably a scam to get information. I think I will take the letter to the Post Office and let them deal with it. I know if there is any breach Life Lock and my credit union will help me.

Not a scam:

PayPal’s recently-acquired payment processor TIO Networks has revealed that up to 1.6 million customers have had their information stolen in a recent data breach.

Last week, the Vancouver, Canada-based TIO Networks said that following the suspension of operations, evidence has been uncovered of a data breach due to “unauthorized access.”

In a statement, the company said that unknown attackers were able to gain access to “locations that stored personal information of some of TIO’s customers and customers of TIO billers.”

In total, up to 1.6 million customers may have had their information leaked, which could include personally identifiable information (PII) or potentially financial data.

No details on the type of information exposed have yet been revealed; however, PayPal says the unauthorized access was “ongoing.”

cbsnews.com

TIO runs (or, rather, ran, since Paypal apparently shut the TIO network completely down in November when they found out about this; Paypal just bought TIO back in July) bill payment machines (they’re big and orange, about the size of an ATM) installed in convenience stores, pharmacies, and other places; here in Nashville, they’re usually in Exxon stations, so if you’ve ever made bill payments through them, that’s why you got the letter. Me, I’ve used them in the past, but never tied my bank account to my TIO account; I always paid cash at the machines.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:59:24am

I admire this shopper, well I admire her chutzpah.

A crazy shopper returned her Christmas tree to Costco this January for a refund — because it was “dead.”

Bizarrely, the woman apparently managed to get her money back in full despite taking the battered fir back a full 10 days after Dec. 25.

nypost.com

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:02:45am

re: #379 Shropshire Slasher

Her first clue should have been the lack of roots.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:04:35am

re: #379 Shropshire Slasher

I admire this shopper, well I admire her chutzpah.

nypost.com

There was a dad of one of the kids my oldest had karate with who said he never paid for light bulbs. He would record when he started using a bulb, and when it went out, and then would go to the store arguing that the bulb hadn’t lasted as long as it should have based on the numbers on the box. I don’t think he knew all that much about statistics, but the customer service people at the store did not.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:04:51am

There are seats open for the Bitcoin Blockchain Initial Coin offerings conference. Have your credit card ready, they don’t accept bitcoin for payment

Due to network congestion and manual processing, we have closed ticket payments using Cryptocurrencies — Hopefully, next year there will be more unity in the community about scaling and global adoption becomes reality.

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garzooma  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:04:58am

re: #380 jaunte

Her first clue should have been the lack of roots.

It’s pining for the fjords

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:05:26am

re: #383 garzooma

oh no…

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:05:44am

“Hey lady, it was dead when you bought it.”

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gocart mozart  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:10:29am

re: #385 jaunte

“Hey lady, it was dead when you bought it.”

She was just fjording for the pine

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:10:38am

re: #379 Shropshire Slasher

A crazy shopper returned her Christmas tree to Costco this January for a refund — because it was “dead.”

I tried to do the “recycling” thing and buy Xmas trees in a bucket of dirt so we could then plant them out in the back yard. I thought that a row of Xmas trees along the back fence might be a nice touch.

But two issues:

replanting a tree in the spring will generally kill it, they need to be replanted in the fall and they cut back the roots so much to fit in the planting pot that the tree is pretty much a goner already, only alive enough to last into January.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:11:04am

re: #386 gocart mozart

She was just fjording for the pine

A Normegian Blue?

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:11:13am

re: #381 Belafon

My parents also had the game Chutzpah.

amazon.com

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danarchy  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:15:26am

re: #381 Belafon

There was a dad of one of the kids my oldest had karate with who said he never paid for light bulbs. He would record when he started using a bulb, and when it went out, and then would go to the store arguing that the bulb hadn’t lasted as long as it should have based on the numbers on the box. I don’t think he knew all that much about statistics, but the customer service people at the store did not.

I feel like I should do this. When I bought my house six years ago I replaced all of the bulbs I could with LEDs and thought It would be a decade before I had to replace any of them. 6 years in and I have had to replace more than half of them and some of those I had to replace in the first year. For the average lifetime to work out the remaining ones will all have to last another 20+ years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:17:26am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:18:35am

re: #387 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I tried to do the “recycling” thing and buy Xmas trees in a bucket of dirt so we could then plant them out in the back yard. I thought that a row of Xmas trees along the back fence might be a nice touch.

But two issues:

replanting a tree in the spring will generally kill it, they need to be replanted in the fall and they cut back the roots so much to fit in the planting pot that the tree is pretty much a goner already, only alive enough to last into January.

Try a hydroponic system with some rooting hormone in the mix.

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ThomasLite  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:18:38am

re: #390 danarchy

I feel like I should do this. When I bought my house six years ago I replaced all of the bulbs I could with LEDs and thought It would be a decade before I had to replace any of them. 6 years in and I have had to replace more than half of them and some of those I had to replace in the first year. For the average lifetime to work out the remaining ones will all have to last another 20+ years.

Water under the bridge. order a bunch of IKEA LED bulbs and replace when required. Buggers are so cheap (and good) now it’s just not worth the hassle.
If you picked ‘em up 6 years ago at then current prices I can see how it’d peeve you off, though.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:20:27am

re: #390 danarchy

I feel like I should do this. When I bought my house six years ago I replaced all of the bulbs I could with LEDs and thought It would be a decade before I had to replace any of them. 6 years in and I have had to replace more than half of them and some of those I had to replace in the first year. For the average lifetime to work out the remaining ones will all have to last another 20+ years.

I’ve never had to replace an LED bulb, and have had them for years. Maybe they were cheap bulbs, or there’s something up with your electrical supply.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:23:01am

re: #393 ThomasLite

Water under the bridge. order a bunch of IKEA LED bulbs and replace when required. Buggers are so cheap (and good) now it’s just not worth the hassle.
If you picked ‘em up 6 years ago at then current prices I can see how it’d peeve you off, though.

They’ve gotten pretty cheap at Home Depot as well: A box of 10 for $14: homedepot.com.

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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:24:54am

re: #329 Belafon

It seems our ambassador to the Netherlands is still having problems:

see? followup questions and keeping the interviewee on point are not that hard

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becominginvisible  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:25:22am

re: #375 jaunte

I noticed an article on NLtimes, Hoekstra claimed: During Wednesday’s press conference, when asked by AD if after the commotion he had considered withdrawing as a contender for the embassy position, he replied, “The president chose me because he considers me the right men for the job. The senate has confirmed my appointment. One interview has no impact on that.” Seems they are still annoyed about his refusal to correct his claim that a politician was set on fire. article
The Dutch take a dim view of politicians making false or inflammatory statements. I assume Hoekstra thinks he has diplomatic immunity and can say and do as he pleases. He wouldn’t be the first ambassador to get tossed out of the Netherlands.

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dangerman  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:33:02am

re: #379 Shropshire Slasher

I admire this shopper, well I admire her chutzpah.

nypost.com

this happens in sofla a lot
before a hurricane people buy all the plywood and generators from HD, etc.
they use the generators, put up the plywood with screws and drills etc
then they return it all after the hurricane passes and hd, lowes etc tend to take most of it back

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wheat-dogg  Jan 11, 2018 • 7:30:26pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s my rep! (Weird, considering I live in China.)


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