Acoustic Guitar Excellence: The Prodigy, Luca Stricagnoli

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“The Prodigy” was shot in Dornstadt, Germany, at the DUSS container depot. It wasn’t easy to record the whole video without any cut because the temperature was -7 degrees Celsius. Furthermore, the location is a working area where 41 tons container are constantly moved, and for safety reasons we had to use the rare moments where no containers were being carried over our heads. The track includes three pieces by the English band “The Prodigy”: Invades Must Die, Omen, Voodoo People (credits below).

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CREDITS OF THE COMPOSITIONS CONTAINED IN THE VIDEO:

Invaders Must Die
Composer: Liam Howlett, Nick Halkes
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Incentive Music Ltd
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Platz Musikverlage GmbH

Omen
Composer: Liam Howlett, Tim Hutton, Keith Palmer
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Just Isnt Music Limited
Rueckband Musikverlag Mark Chung EK
Perfect Songs Ltd
BMG Rights Management (UK) Limited
BMG Rights Management GmbH

Voodoo People
Composer: Liam Howlett, Gylan Kain
EMI Virgin Music Ltd
BMG Consortium Music Publishing Germany Edition

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290 comments

1
goddamnedfrank  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:42:31pm

It’s clown shoes all the way down.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:44:10pm

My regional Nebraska newspaper wishing Rick Perry happy birthday today. (They couldn’t find a single Nebraskan, even a Nebraska Republican politician for March 4 and had to pick the guy who didn’t know what his department did?)

starherald.com (goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

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austin_blue  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:07:04pm

What a showoff! Hell of a player, though.

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mmmirele  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:16:42pm

Well, it does look like Alex Jones is getting the left foot of fellowship from YouTube. It was a long time coming. He should have been kicked off back in 2012 when he gave air time to the people who thought Sandy Hook was a false flag.

Boo. Fucking. Hoo.

The Hill quoted someone from Buzzfeed who talked to YouTube and apparently YT isn’t going to dump Jones, but he does have two strikes and big corporations don’t want their adverts on his channel.

thehill.com

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plansbandc  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:17:22pm

An 80’s video lovers group I belong to has been posting some killer vids tonight…

Enjoy! :D

Total Coelo I Eat Cannibals HD

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:20:13pm
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plansbandc  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:46:34pm
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Kragar  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:59:14pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:12:29am

re: #4 mmmirele

Well, it does look like Alex Jones is getting the left foot of fellowship from YouTube. It was a long time coming. He should have been kicked off back in 2012 when he gave air time to the people who thought Sandy Hook was a false flag.

Boo. Fucking. Hoo.

The Hill quoted someone from Buzzfeed who talked to YouTube and apparently YT isn’t going to dump Jones, but he does have two strikes and big corporations don’t want their adverts on his channel.

thehill.com

Alex Jones is lying. His channel is available along with all his videos.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:15:45am

Moreover, Alex Jones is livestreaming on YouTube now. Some frozen channel. I won’t link that tripe here.

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:23:54am

re: #8 Kragar

[Embedded content]

“Now I’m not naming names, but if you’re looking for America’s first dictator, I wouldn’t say no.”

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austin_blue  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:26:31am

Well, I’m off to bed. The pineapple vs. anchovy on pizza discussion was interesting, but really, one is traditional and one is just evil (that would be pineapple).

Night all, sweet scaly dreams. SNL tonight is going to result in a tweet storm tomorrow.

Good times!

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ozharas  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:30:53am

My contribution to the pizza discussions…

Work put on a Pizza Hut lunch a few years back, and this is what we were treated too…to add to the experience, it arrived barely warm..

They are mini meat pies BTW.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:18:40am

re: #13 ozharas

What on Earth is that thing? A fidget spinner shaped into a pie?

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Kragar  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:35:45am

re: #14 Anymouse 🌹

I think Lovecraft wrote some stories about it

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:02:46am

Just finished watching Mute on Netflix, it had potential but never quite lived up to it. Not bad but not great either … meh I guess.

I enjoyed the light touch approach to sci fi though, where the setting and attendant technology are really just like any other background, only barely brushing up against the plot in organic ways, guiding events gently. Because sci fi elements are too often heavily leaned on as contorted crutches, in order to make otherwise clearly broken and disjointed storytelling limp along in some semblance of plausibility.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:30:36am
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:30:40am

Great, he’s humiliating his wife in public now. This is a deeply enraged and vicious man child reeling from a series of grave narcissistic injuries just lashing out at everyone around him. My fear is that he’s going to feel ego trapped into carrying out the horrendous tariff idea now that he’s announced it, that the market fallout from the ensuing trade war will send his deeply damaged psyche crashing downward, and that his psychopathy eventually pulls the entire planet down with him rather than allow him to face failure.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:43:56am
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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:58:31am

Comments by the three wm organizers on the second pic are esp. revealing.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:07:46am

We have been asked to send thoughts and prayers to Judge Roy Moore.
Here’s a sample: “Oh dread lord Cthulhu, we beseech thee to invite Roy to dinner. Thy nerd cousin, Flying Spaghetti Monster, can bring sauce.”

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:09:32am
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jeffreyw  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:22:18am

Imgur

Imgur

Good morning!

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A Mom Anon  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:31:52am

re: #22 Nyet

So where are the other organizers and groups to step up and demand these two women step down?

This happens on our side a lot it seems. A cause becomes a movement and when things begin to grow and gel, there’s always a person or a few people who have shady backgrounds or reputations that ends up stripping the cause back down to nothing and that’s the end. I’m not sure what the answer is. Wingnuts are gonna love this. Again.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:44:22am

re: #24 A Mom Anon

I guess the problem was that no one bothered to check the very public track record of Mallory, Perez and Sarsour, or if they did, they ignored the bad stuff (“because it benefits the right” and some such bs excuses) that now comes back biting.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:50:42am

re: #25 Nyet

I guess the problem was that no one bothered to check the very public track record of Mallory, Perez and Sarsour, or if they did, they ignored the bad stuff (“because it benefits the right” and some such bs excuses) that now comes back biting.

Reminds me of the anti Iraq War protests back in the day.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:54:36am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Cindy Sheehan also got exposed as writing an antisemitic email (and later denying it)…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:55:36am

Nunes apparently was complaining about Colbert’s comments about him in very whiny terms calling it a danger . Again cons, don’t fucking call us snowflake when you have people like Devin and the Family Trump who are public figures that whine about comedy shows making fun.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:56:41am

re: #27 Nyet

Cindy Sheehan also got exposed as writing an antisemitic email (and later denying it)…

I was wary of her early on. But yes I do remember that. Haven’t heard much from her these days.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:02:37am

re: #8 Kragar

That was the lead story on my Yahoo News email update. I had to share it on Twitter.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:06:53am

re: #29 HappyWarrior

When Code Pink got involved is when the wheels started coming off.

Same crap happened with the anti Wall Street marches too. It’s the stupid “leaderless leadership” concept that’s supposed to stop entrenched power from forming and never fucking works. Then the wingnuts start digging around, find this crap, and public support takes a nosedive.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:10:24am

re: #31 A Mom Anon

When Code Pink got involved is when the wheels started coming off.

Same crap happened with the anti Wall Street marches too. It’s the stupid “leaderless leadership” concept that’s supposed to stop entrenched power from forming and never fucking works. Then the wingnuts start digging around, find this crap, and public support takes a nosedive.

Yep. Never did like Code Pink and their tactic of smearing red paint on speakers. I’m okay with confrontation but that kind of shit just looks stupid. And you’re right, this shit only helps wingnuts in discrediting causes.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:11:02am

re: #30 wheat-dogg

That was the lead story on my Yahoo News email update. I had to share it on Twitter.

It was just such a stupid comment.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:23:07am

re: #25 Nyet

I guess the problem was that no one bothered to check the very public track record of Mallory, Perez and Sarsour, or if they did, they ignored the bad stuff (“because it benefits the right” and some such bs excuses) that now comes back biting.

Pretty much demonstrates the risk of “movement charismatics”. We remember the personalities long after we have forgotten the purpose.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:26:29am

The Shaun King/ADL exchange does include a reminder that this is Jubilee Day—the anniversary celebration of the Bloody Sunday march across Pettus Bridge.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:08:00am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

It was just such a stupid comment.

It reflects his true beliefs. He runs a family-owned business where he has been dictator-for-life, with no internal criticism or challenges from others. He looks at the Presidency as equivalent to his previous position.

The 22nd amendment, passed after our one President-for-life FDR died, theoretically protects us against this possibility. Yet how difficult is it to circumvent: we have a complicit legislature in Washington that does nothing about him, GOP state houses that have limited the right to vote in many states, and an Electoral College designed by slave-owners to circumvent the will of the voters.

Without violating the words of the Constitution, the Trump children could run for president, be elected, and then put their father into real power.

This won’t happen but it’s not impossible.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:12:20am

re: #36 Hecuba’s daughter

Without violating the words of the Constitution, the Trump children could run for president, be elected, and then put their father into real power.

This won’t happen but it’s not impossible.

Orange Juche

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:14:20am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. It’s just nonstop scandal with Trumpworld, but there’s a few scandals that should never be buried under the daily onslaught.

Two that never should be forgotten: the fact that everyone in Trumpworld is financially benefiting and using power of US govt to affect outcomes of decisions for their favor and the fact that Puerto Rico, USVI are forgotten entirely by Trump all while the power hasn’t been restored nearly 6 months after the hurricanes hit.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:16:19am

re: #36 Hecuba’s daughter

The adult Trump kids seem to have as much public charm as a utility pole, so barring a seriously rigged election, I can’t see any of them being elected to office, much less the presidency.

Putting their father into a position of real power? Like how? Presidents cannot appoint regents to rule on their behalf. They’d have to impose martial law, which even with this Congress now seems unlikely to go over well.

And would it be any different than now, when Trump already has such a position, and is only on the job a few hours a day? The Donald does not want to be President. He wants to be a figurehead who has underlings do all the heavy lifting.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:17:48am

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Yep. Never did like Code Pink and their tactic of smearing red paint on speakers.

That’s a very PETA thing to do. Never emulate PETA.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:24:21am

Found on Facebook

No idea where it is, but I’d eat there.

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:24:57am

re: #39 wheat-dogg

Junior seems to think that he can, should, run for NYS governor and that he’d win.

Trump name is absolutely toxic in NY right now, and even more so given that Trump’s about to totally shut down funding for the Gateway tunnel project that is integral to the regional economy staying intact. It wouldn’t be shocking that if Junior did somehow get the GOP nomination in NY that he loses NYC metro 80-20 (the bulk of that coming from Staten Island and Long Island).

They all have this sense of entitlement despite doing absolutely nothing to show that they have the public’s best interest in mind. It’s all empty platitudes all the time.

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jaunte  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:25:47am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:27:33am

re: #42 lawhawk

Junior seems to think that he can, should, run for NYS governor and that he’d win.

Trump name is absolutely toxic in NY right now, and even more so given that Trump’s about to totally shut down funding for the Gateway tunnel project that is integral to the regional economy staying intact. It wouldn’t be shocking that if Junior did somehow get the GOP nomination in NY that he loses NYC metro 80-20 (the bulk of that coming from Staten Island and Long Island).

They all have this sense of entitlement despite doing absolutely nothing to show that they have the public’s best interest in mind. It’s all empty platitudes all the time.

It’s like they don’t understand that no one in NYC likes or respects them. The Donald might have an inkling, but his kids seem to be blissfully unaware.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:32:00am

Well, tonight is the last of my long holiday. Tomorrow, classes resume. I have three sections continuing from last term, and two new sections I have not met yet.

For you teachers out there, I have only two preps: 4 freshman sections and 1 sophomore section. This is why I remain in China to teach university English. Low, low stress.

Even so, I have to go to bed at a decent hour, so I’ll see you all later.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:32:52am

Oh, BTW, I’ve been posting on my blog about my Vietnam travels. If you haven’t already paid me a visit, here’s an invitation to do so.

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:34:25am

re: #43 jaunte

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:36:24am

re: #44 wheat-dogg

They seem to think that they can bluster with bullshit and get enough people upstate to believe them, just as Trump convinced people in coal country that he’d bring back the jobs.

It’s easy to win over desperate people with lies.

It’s harder to get those people to recognize that they’ve been lied to and change their outlook.

Trump exploited both. Trump also exploited bigotry and hate to great effect. Junior’s an even bigger bigot if that’s possible.

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jaunte  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:36:56am

(((Evan Shapiro)))
‏Verified account @eshap

A pussy-grabbing, serial sexual predator, who’s repeatedly cheated on three wives (w porn stars), who’s publicly admitted to wanting to date his daughter, and who’s openly endorsed a pedophile, is forcing an abstinence-only policy on family planning organizations.

Irony is dead.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:39:23am

re: #49 jaunte

A man who bragged about his adulterous missions to tabloids and who has stared in softcore porn.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:40:12am

Another Women’s March speaker:

en.wikipedia.org

Donna Hylton (born October 29, 1964) is a Jamaican-American convicted murderer and feminist rights activist. Hylton served a 27-year prison sentence in Bedford Hills Correctional Facility for Women (Department Identification Number 86G0206)[1] for her role in the kidnapping, rape, torture, and murder of Thomas Vigliarolo, a Long Island businessman.

[…]

In 1985, Hylton and two accomplices drugged and kidnapped 62-year-old Long Island real-estate broker Thomas Vigliarolo, and held him prisoner for 15-20 days. While imprisoned, three men and four women, including Hylton, starved, burned, beat, sexually assaulted, raped, and tortured Vigliarolo.

psychologytoday.com

For the next 15 to 20 days (police aren’t sure just when Vigliarole died), the man was starved, burned, beaten, and tortured. (Even 10 years later, Spurling could recall Rita’s chilling response when they questioned her about shoving a three-foot metal bar up Vigliarole’s rear: “He was a homo anyway.” How did she know? “When I stuck the bar up his rectum he wiggled.”)

[…]

Spurling himself interviewed Donna: “I couldn’t believe this girl who was so intelligent and nice-looking could be so unemotional about what she was telling me she and her friends had done. They’d squeezed the victim’s testicles with a pair of pliers, beat him, burned him.

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William Lewis  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:40:27am

re: #46 wheat-dogg

Oh, BTW, I’ve been posting on my blog about my Vietnam travels. If you haven’t already paid me a visit, here’s an invitation to do so.

Makes me want a bowl of Pho Ga ;)

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:41:22am

re: #42 lawhawk

Junior seems to think that he can, should, run for NYS governor and that he’d win.

Trump name is absolutely toxic in NY right now, and even more so given that Trump’s about to totally shut down funding for the Gateway tunnel project that is integral to the regional economy staying intact. It wouldn’t be shocking that if Junior did somehow get the GOP nomination in NY that he loses NYC metro 80-20 (the bulk of that coming from Staten Island and Long Island).

They all have this sense of entitlement despite doing absolutely nothing to show that they have the public’s best interest in mind. It’s all empty platitudes all the time.

They are not any of them in public service because that would make them public *servants*

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:42:37am

re: #49 jaunte

(((Evan Shapiro)))
‏Verified account @eshap

A pussy-grabbing, serial sexual predator, who’s repeatedly cheated on three wives (w porn stars), who’s publicly admitted to wanting to date his daughter, and who’s openly endorsed a pedophile, is forcing an abstinence-only policy on family planning organizations.

Irony is dead.

Do you really think this is Trump’s policy? He doesn’t care about this at all. It’s the GOP fanatics that he appointed to his Cabinet who want this policy. It would likely have been no different with any other GOP president.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:43:34am

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

Do you really think this is Trump’s policy? He doesn’t care about this at all. It’s the GOP fanatics that he appointed to his Cabinet who want this policy. It would likely have been no different with any other GOP president.

It’s in his name and in his administration ergo it’s his policy.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:45:47am

re: #51 Nyet

Another Women’s March speaker:

en.wikipedia.org

psychologytoday.com

Wow. Sigh having people like this just discredits the movement.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:55:11am

re: #39 wheat-dogg

The adult Trump kids seem to have as much public charm as a utility pole, so barring a seriously rigged election, I can’t see any of them being elected to office, much less the presidency.

Putting their father into a position of real power? Like how? Presidents cannot appoint regents to rule on their behalf. They’d have to impose martial law, which even with this Congress now seems unlikely to go over well.

And would it be any different than now, when Trump already has such a position, and is only on the job a few hours a day? The Donald does not want to be President. He wants to be a figurehead who has underlings do all the heavy lifting.

First of all, my comments propose a seriously rigged election due to widespread voter suppression in states run by Republicans. Thanks to the EC, a candidate can win only 25% of the vote and still become president

Second, the GOP would be happy with this arrangement because they face no challenge from the President. If they pass legislation, he signs it. He is basically a figurehead (except when it comes to Russia) whose only goal is to use the federal treasury as his personal piggy bank.

No — I don’t assume a regent but more an understanding. After all, Jared and Ivanka don’t have appointments that require Senate approval, yet they have had a lot of actual power.

In any case, I don’t think Trump is the one who would go this route — but a more skilled demagogue certainly could take advantage of this strategy. Especially with the widespread voter suppression we see in red states.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:11:46am

re: #23 jeffreyw

[Embedded content]

Good morning!

We have some newbies to Jeffrey’s Fly-In Diner this morning. Are they some type of a blackbird? I don’t think I’ve ever seen these birds before.

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Botsplainer  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:17:33am

re: #46 wheat-dogg

Nice! We did Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos in January. In Vietnam, we stayed in Hanoi, Halong Bay, Hoi An and Ho Chi Minh City. And yes, in Hanoi, we had bun cha at the same place that Bourdain and Obama ate (Hoa Lien, IIRC).

The trip was stunning in every way.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:22:47am

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:28:10am

Have we heard from ANY 2A guys yet about Trump wanting to be President forever?

Yeah. Thought so.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:29:15am

re: #51 Nyet

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:30:10am

re: #61 GlutenFreeJesus

Any? Well that includes me. By definition the 2nd is to protect us from Trump President for life and his thugs.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:33:27am

re: #57 Hecuba’s daughter

First of all, my comments propose a seriously rigged election due to widespread voter suppression in states run by Republicans. Thanks to the EC, a candidate can win only 25% of the vote and still become president

Second, the GOP would be happy with this arrangement because they face no challenge from the President. If they pass legislation, he signs it. He is basically a figurehead (except when it comes to Russia) whose only goal is to use the federal treasury as his personal piggy bank.

No — I don’t assume a regent but more an understanding. After all, Jared and Ivanka don’t have appointments that require Senate approval, yet they have had a lot of actual power.

In any case, I don’t think Trump is the one who would go this route — but a more skilled demagogue certainly could take advantage of this strategy. Especially with the widespread voter suppression we see in red states.

An analogue is the practice in southern states of trading off positions to get around term limits. George Wallace and his wife Lurleen swapped the governorship a couple times for a total of about 20 years..

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Stanley Sea  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:34:29am

In nola, just ordered gouda grits & b&g (biscuits and gravy) when in Rome eat bad/good!!!

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:37:02am

re: #65 Stanley Sea

In nola, just ordered gouda grits & b&g (biscuits and gravy) when in Rome eat bad/good!!!

{Envy}

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:47:14am
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mmmirele  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:51:25am

re: #20 Nyet

Comments by the three wm organizers on the second pic are esp. revealing.

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If you don’t think Calypso Louie is obnoxious because he’s a stone racist, well, he’s also in cahoots with the head of Scientology, David Miscavige, and he has his members going through Dianetics “training.” No lie. That is one of the weirdest “religious” mashups going.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:55:08am

Are any of the women that are part of the march willing to push them out? Any others willing to take their place?

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:57:35am

re: #68 mmmirele

Wow!

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:58:40am

re: #68 mmmirele

If you don’t think Calypso Louie is obnoxious because he’s a stone racist, well, he’s also in cahoots with the head of Scientology, David Miscavige, and he has his members going through Dianetics “training.” No lie. That is one of the weirdest “religious” mashups going.

Yeah, that mashup’s been going on for quite some time now. I first heard about it a few years back and I was like, “WTF? Scientology and the NoI?”

Wacky. Sorta makes sense in some way - there’s a common UFO theme to both.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:00:26am

re: #20 Nyet

Comments by the three wm organizers on the second pic are esp. revealing.

[Embedded content]

Pretty much a Whitman’s Sampler of the ways the progressive Left can fuck ourselves. If we don’t find the correct mix of solidarity and purity, Trump and his descendants get the world.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:00:28am

re: #64 Decatur Deb

An analogue is the practice in southern states of trading off positions to get around term limits. George Wallace and his wife Lurleen swapped the governorship a couple times for a total of about 20 years..

Wow. I already knew George Wallace was a dick but this:

“She made her gubernatorial race carrying a tragic secret: she had been diagnosed with cancer as early as April 1961, when her surgeon biopsied suspicious tissue that he noticed during the cesarean delivery of her last child. As was common at the time, her physician told her husband the news, not her. George Wallace insisted that Lurleen not be informed. As a result, she did not get appropriate follow-up care. When she saw a gynecologist for abnormal bleeding in 1965, his diagnosis of uterine cancer came as a complete shock to her. When one of her husband’s staffers revealed to her that Wallace had discussed her cancer with them, but not her, during his 1962 campaign three years earlier, she was outraged.”

Motherfucker sacrificed his own WIFE because he was so determined to hold on to power.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:01:50am

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, but he named a community college for her…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:02:07am
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plansbandc  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:05:09am

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow. That’s worse than Gingrich.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:05:16am

Well that’s just a sign of the times. Re: Women’s march. Progressives always find a way to fuck themselves over. :-\

Trump will be mentioning all of this real soon. Just you wait and see.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:07:15am

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow. I already knew George Wallace was a dick but this:

“She made her gubernatorial race carrying a tragic secret: she had been diagnosed with cancer as early as April 1961, when her surgeon biopsied suspicious tissue that he noticed during the cesarean delivery of her last child. As was common at the time, her physician told her husband the news, not her. George Wallace insisted that Lurleen not be informed. As a result, she did not get appropriate follow-up care. When she saw a gynecologist for abnormal bleeding in 1965, his diagnosis of uterine cancer came as a complete shock to her. When one of her husband’s staffers revealed to her that Wallace had discussed her cancer with them, but not her, during his 1962 campaign three years earlier, she was outraged.”

Motherfucker sacrificed his own WIFE because he was so determined to hold on to power.

I didn’t either. Wow.

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jaunte  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:07:43am

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

Based on my experiences in one little corner of the suburban south I’ll bet there are millions of hidden horror stories just like this.

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weave  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:12:53am

Meanwhile, over on /r/weekendgunnit (used to be as rabid pro-Trump as /r/the_donald)

Why should we care? Well for me, the more Trump loses his base, the better the chance that Republicans will finally do something about him.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:15:22am

Wait, it gets better.

This “brother” is the guy on the Farrakhan photo above, the rapper Mysonne Linen (spent 7 years in prison (out of 14) for 2 armed robberies).

Who then went on and posted the following:

And then this classic:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:17:32am

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow. I already knew George Wallace was a dick but this:

“She made her gubernatorial race carrying a tragic secret: she had been diagnosed with cancer as early as April 1961, when her surgeon biopsied suspicious tissue that he noticed during the cesarean delivery of her last child. As was common at the time, her physician told her husband the news, not her. George Wallace insisted that Lurleen not be informed. As a result, she did not get appropriate follow-up care. When she saw a gynecologist for abnormal bleeding in 1965, his diagnosis of uterine cancer came as a complete shock to her. When one of her husband’s staffers revealed to her that Wallace had discussed her cancer with them, but not her, during his 1962 campaign three years earlier, she was outraged.”

Motherfucker sacrificed his own WIFE because he was so determined to hold on to power.

Before he died Drew Pearson went after George Wallace about this. Pearson was a pit bull turned up to 11 when it came to him. Pearson also alleged that Wallace was discharged from the military due to psychiatric reasons.

But then Wallace was following the Orville Faubus playbook. Faubus started with the Socialist Party in Arkansas and then he turned hard core segregationist. Wallace followed the same template. When he lost the Alabama Governor’s race in 1958, Wallace said he would never be “Out-N-Word-ed” again. More than anyone except Nixon, Wallace is the reason why America shifted so violently to the right…

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Jay C  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:19:17am

re: #77 GlutenFreeJesus

Well that’s just a sign of the times. Re: Women’s march. Progressives always find a way to fuck themselves over. :-\

Trump will be mentioning all of this real soon. Just you wait and see.

And if not him, I’m sure the media (the RW blogosphere first, followed up by Fox, then gradually the “MSM”) will be only too happy to conduct and air a great number of blaring “exposés” about the malodorous “radical” connections of the #womensmarch organizers, Just as a public service, of course….

re: #69 Belafon

Are any of the women that are part of the march willing to push them out? Any others willing to take their place?

Sadly, the answer to those questions are likely to be “No” and “makes no difference”. Once a “movement” *gets tarred with the taint of its worst elements, it will be all that will be talked about.

*mainly on the Left: but can happen with any “extremes”, viz. Charlottesville.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:19:42am

re: #81 Nyet

Wait, it gets better.

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Not to me. It’s just more of the same Anti-Semitic shit I’ve dealt with all of my life.

It will never end…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:20:58am

re: #82 Joe Bacon 🌹

Before he died Drew Pearson went after George Wallace about this. Pearson was a pit bull turned up to 11 when it came to him. Pearson also alleged that Wallace was discharged from the military due to psychiatric reasons.

But then Wallace was following the Orville Faubus playbook. Faubus started with the Socialist Party in Arkansas and then he turned hard core segregationist. Wallace followed the same template. When he lost the Alabama Governor’s race in 1958, Wallace said he would never be “Out-N-Word-ed” again. More than anyone except Nixon, Wallace is the reason why America shifted so violently to the right…

The modern right owes a lot to Wallace’s 1968 campaign. The race baiting, anti intellectualism, disdain for the world around us, etc. As vile as Nixon and the Southern Strategy were, Wallace is in a sense a founder of the modern right.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:22:01am

re: #81 Nyet

Wait, it gets better.

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And the clincher:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:22:36am

re: #81 Nyet

Wait, it gets better.

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I just wish people would treat people like people regardless. Someone being Jewish has no impact on how I’ll perceive them.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:23:28am

re: #86 Nyet

And the clincher:

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JFC.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:24:16am

re: #82 Joe Bacon 🌹

Before he died Drew Pearson went after George Wallace about this. Pearson was a pit bull turned up to 11 when it came to him. Pearson also alleged that Wallace was discharged from the military due to psychiatric reasons.

But then Wallace was following the Orville Faubus playbook. Faubus started with the Socialist Party in Arkansas and then he turned hard core segregationist. Wallace followed the same template. When he lost the Alabama Governor’s race in 1958, Wallace said he would never be “Out-N-Word-ed” again. More than anyone except Nixon, Wallace is the reason why America shifted so violently to the right…

That sounds, though, as if Wallace was following the crowd, rather than leading it.

Of course, that obscures the amplification effect of hearing a political leader publicly agree with your most egregious thoughts. Think of a feedback amplification loop.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:24:26am

re: #86 Nyet

And the clincher:

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Farakhan and Mysonne can go F, G, H, I, J, K, LMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ THEMSELVES!

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:25:39am

re: #25 Nyet

I guess the problem was that no one bothered to check the very public track record of Mallory, Perez and Sarsour, or if they did, they ignored the bad stuff (“because it benefits the right” and some such bs excuses) that now comes back biting.

Sarsour is prone to reflexively defending progressives when they do something stupid like this. It’s a bit of political tribalism that’s going to cost the movement.
I suspect there may be some distancing from Farrakhan and his supporters in the near future once they start getting pushback.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:26:27am

re: #69 Belafon

Are any of the women that are part of the march willing to push them out? Any others willing to take their place?

That’s the limiting weakness in “movements” as opposed to “organizations”. They have no self-regulatory mechanisms. With the best will in the world, there is simply no pathway to purge the pathological. When it gets bad enough, all they can do is fragment.

Note that even established political parties suffer from this—there are very few processes that allow Democratic or Republican Party leadership to purge nutcase candidates.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:27:30am

[racist] I’M NOT RACIST! MY WIFE IS BLACK! [\racist]

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Jay C  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:28:18am

re: #86 Nyet

And the clincher:

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And even worse (if possible) it’s that this guy seeming has no idea how these “rationalizations” sound (?).

In any case, Mysonne does manage to get one thing right: an amazingly balanced amalgam of “stupid” and “evil”…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:28:44am

re: #89 Blind Frog Belly White

That sounds, though, as if Wallace was following the crowd, rather than leading it.

Of course, that obscures the amplification effect of hearing a political leader publicly agree with your most egregious thoughts. Think of a feedback amplification loop.

I think Wallace was a panderer who saw playing to racism as a winner but the politician who panders to bigotry is no different then the true believer in ethics. May even be worse.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:29:29am
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jeffreyw  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:29:46am

re: #58 ObserverArt

We have some newbies to Jeffrey’s Fly-In Diner this morning. Are they some type of a blackbird? I don’t think I’ve ever seen these birds before.

Those are grackles.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:29:46am

re: #92 Decatur Deb

That’s the limiting weakness in “movements” as opposed to “organizations”. They have no self-regulatory mechanisms. With the best will in the world, there is simply no pathway to purge the pathological. When it gets bad enough, all they can do is fragment.

Note that even established political parties suffer from this—there are very few processes that allow Democratic or Republican Party leadership to purge nutcase candidates.

It is difficult, in a movement that is organized around fighting oppression of multiple groups by another more powerful group to turn on someone who’s oppressed by the same group, especially if the oppressor wants/tells you to.

As an aside, the genius of the Right has been to convince the oppressors that they’re the oppressed, and the oppressed are their oppressors.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:30:15am

re: #31 A Mom Anon

When Code Pink got involved is when the wheels started coming off.

Same crap happened with the anti Wall Street marches too. It’s the stupid “leaderless leadership” concept that’s supposed to stop entrenched power from forming and never fucking works. Then the wingnuts start digging around, find this crap, and public support takes a nosedive.

Reminds me of Grandpa Bacon talking about the Wobblies (I.W.W.) and their anarcho-syndicalism. Grandpa and Grandma were organizing for the AFL and were constantly frustrated by the Wobblies thwarting their organizing efforts in the 20s.

Bottom line—Grandpa and Grandma knew that anarchism can never be an effective system!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:31:58am

re: #98 Blind Frog Belly White

Not intended as an excuse, but rather an observation. Obviously, a lot of today’s politics is built around requiring your opponent to denounce members of your own group for unacceptable opinions.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:32:26am

re: #98 Blind Frog Belly White

It is difficult, in a movement that is organized around fighting oppression of multiple groups by another more powerful group to turn on someone who’s oppressed by the same group, especially if the oppressor wants/tells you to.

As an aside, the genius of the Right has been to convince the oppressors that they’re the oppressed, and the oppressed are their oppressors.

The last paragraph is the essence of right wing populist ideology not just here but globally.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:35:50am

re: #91 Ace-o-aces

Sarsour is prone to reflexively defending progressives when they do something stupid like this.

She’s a fan of Farrakhan herself, as her Instagram comment shows.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:35:59am

re: #99 Joe Bacon 🌹

Reminds me of Grandpa Bacon talking about the Wobblies (I.W.W.) and their anarcho-syndicalism. Grandpa and Grandma were organizing for the AFL and were constantly frustrated by the Wobblies thwarting their organizing efforts in the 20s.

Bottom line—Grandpa and Grandma knew that anarchism can never be an effective system!

Still have my IUE card, but I’m a Wobbly at heart—they had all the good songs.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:36:27am

re: #99 Joe Bacon 🌹

Reminds me of Grandpa Bacon talking about the Wobblies (I.W.W.) and their anarcho-syndicalism. Grandpa and Grandma were organizing for the AFL and were constantly frustrated by the Wobblies thwarting their organizing efforts in the 20s.

Bottom line—Grandpa and Grandma knew that anarchism can never be an effective system!

Mom’s grandfathers were UNWA, big John Lewis fans but backed FDR all the way and probably weren’t fond of Lewis’ isolationism given Hitler’s invasions impacted their home nations where they still had family.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:36:32am

Florida Woman

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:36:41am

re: #103 Decatur Deb

Still have my IUE card, but I’m a Wobbly at heart—they had all the good songs.

Joe Hill.

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Jay C  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:38:00am

re: #92 Decatur Deb

Note that even established political parties suffer from this—there are very few processes that allow Democratic or Republican Party leadership to purge nutcase candidates.

Disagree. Case in point off the top of my head: IL-03 (?): the Congressional District where an outright Nazi/Nazi sympathizer “won” the Republican primary - since no one else was on the GOP ballot. The State and national Parties publicly ran away from the asshole with a celerity Usain Bolt would envy. OK, maybe that’s more of an example of the failures of “process”, but at least with the two major Parties there are State- and national-level organizations which (in theory - and most of the time in practice) can at least try to weed out the more-obvious nutbars. Of course, the “process” doesn’t always work in the real world, but then, what does?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:38:36am

re: #105 Dave In Austin

Florida Woman

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How many shootings have they prevented? I’m not against offering prayers for victims of tragedy. I’m against politicians like her thinking that’s the only thing that can be done following shootings and that we shouldn’t talk about guns but way to make yourself a victim Stargell.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:39:32am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

How many shootings have they prevented? I’m not against offering prayers for victims of tragedy. I’m against politicians like her thinking that’s the only thing that can be done following shootings and that we shouldn’t talk about guns but way to make yourself a victim Stargell.

That’s the beauty of the argument - you can never know, because they didn’t happen!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:40:05am

re: #96 Dave In Austin

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Hey, that’s not the Jay-Zuss that Southern Fried Baptists believe in. Their Jay-Zuss was built like a brick house and had an AR-15 strapped to his back!

This is the Southern Fried Baptist vision of Jay-Zuss!
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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:40:06am
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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:40:57am
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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:41:25am
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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:41:30am

re: #83 Jay C

And if not him, I’m sure the media (the RW blogosphere first, followed up by Fox, then gradually the “MSM”) will be only too happy to conduct and air a great number of blaring “exposés” about the malodorous “radical” connections of the #womensmarch organizers, Just as a public service, of course….

Sadly, the answer to those questions are likely to be “No” and “makes no difference”. Once a “movement” *gets tarred with the taint of its worst elements, it will be all that will be talked about.

*mainly on the Left: but can happen with any “extremes”, viz. Charlottesville.

Here’s the flip-side, and I’m seeing it here: We’re going to shoot ourselves in the foot with this: People are going to go on about how this is damaging, saying that it will destroy the movement, and will because people will sit there and go on about how it is damaging and not do anything.

There’s no reason for a movement to get tarred by the flawed people who lead it, otherwise the following things would be failures:
1. Democracy (slavery)
2. Civil Rights (adultery)
Yeah, I tend to pull a Rick Perry and get stuck at two.

The point being, the left doesn’t have to let these things fail. There are flawed people. It shouldn’t stop us. The things needing to be changed are larger than the individuals.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:42:19am
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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:43:01am

re: #107 Jay C

Disagree. Case in point off the top of my head: IL-03 (?): the Congressional District where an outright Nazi/Nazi sympathizer “won” the Republican primary - since no one else was on the GOP ballot. The State and national Parties publicly ran away from the asshole with a celerity Usain Bolt would envy. OK, maybe that’s more of an example of the failures of “process”, but at least with the two major Parties there are State- and national-level organizations which (in theory - and most of the time in practice) can at least try to weed out the more-obvious nutbars. Of course, the “process” doesn’t always work in the real world, but then, what does?

It happens, but it’s very rare. The rejection is de facto, but there’s not much of a way for the party to kick someone out. No matter how weird a position I take, I can still call myself a Democrat or a Socialist.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:43:27am

re: #43 jaunte

This was always where Republicans were going to go: away from BIRTH CONTROL. Not abortion. It’s not about “life.” It’s about returning women to socially & economically subjugated positions, stripping them of the repro autonomy that permits full participation in public spheres. https://

I am certain that DT does not personally give a shit about birth control or abstinence, but he likes subservient women, so he is willing to abdicate this aspect of policy to the Fundamentalists in order to gain their support of the rest of his agenda.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:44:34am

re: #105 Dave In Austin

Florida Woman

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Someone should offer thoughts and prayers for her to not be offended.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:45:00am

re: #114 Belafon

Here’s the flip-side, and I’m seeing it here: We’re going to shoot ourselves in the foot with this: People are going to go on about how this is damaging, saying that it will destroy the movement, and will because people will sit there and go on about how it is damaging and not do anything.

There’s no reason for a movement to get tarred by the flawed people who lead it, otherwise the following things would be failures:
1. Democracy (slavery)
2. Civil Rights (adultery)
Yeah, I tend to pull a Rick Perry and get stuck at two.

The point being, the left doesn’t have to let these things fail. There are flawed people. It shouldn’t stop us. The things needing to be changed are larger than the individuals.

But marches, demonstrations, and the movement as whole are not for the choir—they’re to reach the squishy uncommitted middle.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:45:05am

re: #97 jeffreyw

Those are grackles.

Thanks Jeffrey. I’ve heard of them and I see they are all over North America, but I can’t say I have ever seen one well enough to see the blue in the males.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:47:32am

Bets on how many celebrities trash Trump on stage tonight?

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:48:01am

re: #107 Jay C

Disagree. Case in point off the top of my head: IL-03 (?): the Congressional District where an outright Nazi/Nazi sympathizer “won” the Republican primary - since no one else was on the GOP ballot. The State and national Parties publicly ran away from the asshole with a celerity Usain Bolt would envy. OK, maybe that’s more of an example of the failures of “process”, but at least with the two major Parties there are State- and national-level organizations which (in theory - and most of the time in practice) can at least try to weed out the more-obvious nutbars. Of course, the “process” doesn’t always work in the real world, but then, what does?

Is he still running, though? If he wins, will the GOP shun him?

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:49:48am

re: #119 Decatur Deb

But marches, demonstrations, and the movement as whole are not for the choir—they’re to reach the squishy uncommitted middle.

Marches also tend to drown out the message of an individual.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:49:57am

re: #103 Decatur Deb

Still have my IUE card, but I’m a Wobbly at heart—they had all the good songs.

Grandma and Grandpa endlessly organized for the USW, UAW and UE. Grandpa really blew his stack when the press endlessly lied about the UE being a Communist front group. They effectively destroyed the UE.

For those who don’t know—the UE was the United Electrical Workers which was an important part of the CIO.

If it wasn’t for John L Lewis and the United Mine Workers, the CIO would never have gotten off the ground. And it’s so sad that West Virginia which was the incubator of the CIO just passed a Right To Work law…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:50:13am

re: #122 Belafon

Is he still running, though? If he wins, will the GOP shun him?

I think he is. Don’t know what they’ll do if he wins. Interestingly the Dem there is being challenged from the left. Not a BB but a sensible challenge to a conservative Dem in a reliable Dem district.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:51:31am

If Democrats can remove Al Franken, the Women’s March group can replace these women.

Edit: Or they can figure out how to get the right message out.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:51:41am

re: #105 Dave In Austin

Florida Woman

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Okay for the Florida (politician) woman…if thoughts and prayers are the only thing that are going to prevent the next mass shooting, then all new gun purchasers must go through a rigorous full Catholic Exorcism to cast out the evil before you can buy a gun?

What???

That can’t be anymore ridiculous than any of the other bull that is being discussed in the ongoing gun legislation debate.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:53:03am

re: #126 Belafon

If Democrats can remove Al Franken, the Women’s March group can replace these women.

But they didn’t remove Al Franken—they made him want to remove himself, probably in disgust.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:53:31am

re: #127 ObserverArt

Okay for the Florida (politician) woman…if thoughts and prayers are the only thing that are going to prevent the next mass shooting, then all new gun purchasers must go through a rigorous full Catholic Exorcism to cast out the eveit before you can buy a gun?

What???

That can’t be anymore ridiculous than any of the other bull that is being discussed in the ongoing gun legislation debate.

If thoughts and prayers can prevent school shootings, thoughts and prayers can prevent home invasions and assaults, and thus guns are not needed.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:54:54am

re: #128 Decatur Deb

But they didn’t remove Al Franken—they made him want to remove himself, probably in disgust.

Franken left because he knew he was becoming a distraction. Will these women learn that they’re going to be a distraction?

Edit: And I still believe there should have been an investigation.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:55:06am

re: #129 Belafon

If thoughts and prayers can prevent school shootings, thoughts and prayers can prevent home invasions and assaults, and thus guns are not needed.

And there is that thing that if your faith is the size of a mustard seed you can tell a mountain to move and it will…BUT the only time I’ve seen the earth move at all is during a quake…

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:57:07am

re: #130 Belafon

Franken left because he knew he was becoming a distraction. Will these women learn that they’re going to be a distraction?

More likely if they go they take some following with them, forming the Women’s Liberation Front of Judea.

(Well,,, maybe not Judea.)

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:59:02am

re: #131 Joe Bacon 🌹

BUT the only time I’ve seen the earth move at all is during a quake…

So sorry. They have pills for that now.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:59:36am

re: #124 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grandma and Grandpa endlessly organized for the USW, UAW and UE. Grandpa really blew his stack when the press endlessly lied about the UE being a Communist front group. They effectively destroyed the UE.

For those who don’t know—the UE was the United Electrical Workers which was an important part of the CIO.

If it wasn’t for John L Lewis and the United Mine Workers, the CIO would never have gotten off the ground. And it’s so sad that West Virginia which was the incubator of the CIO just passed a Right To Work law…

My father worked at Westinghouse for 40 years and was a member of the IUEW - International Union of Electrical Workers. Are or were the UE and IUEW the same or associated, or is it just a naming convention and they are one in the same?

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Jay C  Mar 4, 2018 • 8:59:41am

re: #122 Belafon

Is he still running, though? If he wins, will the GOP shun him?

AFAIK, yes and yes. Though the second point is usually considered moot, as IL-03(?) is a very Democratic-leaning district.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:02:01am

re: #134 ObserverArt

My father worked at Westinghouse for 40 years and was a member of the IUEW - International Union of Electrical Workers. Are or were the UE and IUEW the same or associated, or is it just a naming convention and they are one in the same?

Same, I suspect. Our (GE) local name included “Workers”, but it was never in the acronym.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:02:43am

re: #130 Belafon

Franken left because he knew he was becoming a distraction. Will these women learn that they’re going to be a distraction?

Edit: And I still believe there should have been an investigation.

They also wanted to be able to make the case that they have certain standards that they do not just ignore, but that argument is wasted on people who have only the standards of opportunism.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:04:56am

Think Mom’s uncle was IBEW too. He worked for GE in Erie after he left Johnstown.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:05:48am

re: #134 ObserverArt

My father worked at Westinghouse for 40 years and was a member of the IUEW - International Union of Electrical Workers. Are or were the UE and IUEW the same or associated, or is it just a naming convention and they are one in the same?

UE is seperate from the IUEW and IBEW. UE is still around and as militant as ever. It’s HQ is still in Pittsburgh. The UE’s founder, Ernie De Maio was a very dear friend of Grandma and Grandpa! One time Grandma had to go to a hotel on a “secret mission” to give Ernie’s wife some organizing material…and of course Pinkertons were following her…

ueunion.org

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:06:34am

re: #132 Decatur Deb

More likely if they go they take some following with them, forming the Women’s Liberation Front of Judea.

(Well,,, maybe not Judea.)

Palestine Liberation Front… oh, the name’s been taken.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:06:44am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Think Mom’s uncle was IBEW too. He worked for GE in Erie after he left Johnstown.

Different than our IUE. IBEW is more a technical craft union—we were assembly line workers who happened to make electrical things.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:08:33am

re: #141 Decatur Deb

Different than our IUE. IBEW is more a technical craft union—we were assembly line workers who happened to make electrical things.

Aha.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:11:41am

re: #86 Nyet

“Farrakhan is saying that (alleged) harms by Jews in the past should reflect on my downstairs neighbors, who, as far as I know, have never harmed anybody. See the similarity?”

So sick of this…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:12:24am

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:12:44am

re: #143 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

“Farrakhan is saying that (alleged) harms by Jews in the past should reflect on my downstairs neighbors, who, as far as I know, have never harmed anybody. See the similarity?”

So sick of this…

This is why we can’t have nice revolutions.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:13:38am

re: #145 Decatur Deb

This is why we can’t have nice revolutions.

There are nice revolutions?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:14:46am

re: #146 Belafon

There are nice revolutions?

Must be, or we wouldn’t keep trying.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:17:41am

One hates to appear cynical and to discourage participation in the process, but there’s a reason why politicians may make better leaders than people who rise to lead movements - baggage. Politicians will have been careful to leave few traces of ‘dangerous thought’.

I was listening to Marketplace the other day, and they were discussing a problem that can pop up when a company tries to diversify its public face. A makeup/hair/clothing company (can’t recall which) had hired a hijab-wearing Muslim woman as one of their ‘spokesmodels’. They were roundly applauded for this, until it turned out that the woman in question had openly expressed some pretty negative opinions about Israel vis-a-vis the Palestinians. The woman and the company parted ways.

The thing is, people have opinions. People have histories. People have weaknesses, including the desire for fame, that can lead them astray. And your opposition is always looking for a reason to attack.

So what do you do? On the one hand you don’t want your opposition dictating who your leaders are. On the other, if you’re not careful and don’t take it seriously you’ll end up handing them the gun to shoot you with.

The problem I see now is that we are trying to be on the side of the angels. We end up having to be purer than the driven snow. The Right? They don’t care. We’re the ones saying (for example) sexual harassment is a problem, not the Right, so when one of ours is accused, defending them comes across as hypocrisy. The Right? They don’t give a shit in the first place.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:18:21am

Farrakhan’s anti-Semitism is a problem, and is helped by this White House. He’s also inserted himself into a number of black causes, as mentioned in a tweet above. So, it’s going to be very hard to separate him from any discussion about responding to black concerns.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:20:32am

re: #140 Nyet

Palestine Liberation Front… oh, the name’s been taken.

Then again, here’s one of the people connected to Sarsour et al.

[Can’t find this tweet right now: web.archive.org ]

haaretz.com

en.wikipedia.org

Rasmea Yousef Odeh […] is a Jordanian and former American citizen of Palestinian origin who was a member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine convicted by Israeli courts for her role in the murder of two students, Leon Kanner and Eddie Joffe in the 1969 Jerusalem Supermarket bombing. After her release in a prisoner exchange, she immigrated to the United States, became a U.S. citizen, and she served as associate director at the Arab American Action Network in Chicago, Illinois.[5][6][7][8][9]

Odeh was convicted in 1970 of involvement in the 1969 PFLP bombings in Jerusalem in which two people were killed, and in 2014 by a US federal jury of immigration fraud. She was sentenced to life in prison in Israel for her involvement in two terrorist bombings in Jerusalem in 1969, one of which killed two people, and involvement in an illegal organization, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP). She spent 10 years in prison before she was released in a prisoner exchange with the PFLP in 1980.[10]
[…]
Odeh was sentenced to 18 months in federal prison on March 12, 2015, stripped of her US citizenship, and set for deportation to Jordan after serving her time.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:22:26am

re: #148 Blind Frog Belly White

One hates to appear cynical and to discourage participation in the process, but there’s a reason why politicians may make better leaders than people who rise to lead movements - baggage. Politicians will have been careful to leave few traces of

I was listening to Marketplace the other day, and they were discussing a problem that can pop up when a company tries to diversify its public face. A makeup/hair/clothing company (can’t recall which) had hired a hijab-wearing Muslim woman as one of their ‘spokesmodels’. They were roundly applauded for this, until it turned out that the woman in question had openly expressed some pretty negative opinions about Israel vis-a-vis the Palestinians. The woman and the company parted ways.

The thing is, people have opinions. People have histories. People have weaknesses, including the desire for fame, can lead them astray. And your opposition is always looking for a reason to attack.

So what do you do? On the one hand you don’t want your opposition dictating who your leaders are. On the other, if you’re not careful and don’t take it seriously you’ll end up handing them the gun to shoot you with.

The problem I see now is that we are trying to be on the side of the angels. We end up having to be purer than the driven snow. The Right? They don’t care. We’re the ones saying (for example) sexual harassment is a problem, not the Right, so when one of ours is accused, defending them comes across as hypocrisy. The Right? They don’t give a shit in the first place.

That’s why I tend to hang with creaky old organizations—SPLC, ACLU, NAACP, OFA. They have been through the fire, and their leadership is vetted. The Indivisible kids are very interesting, but you always fear one of them will turn out to eat puppies.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:25:41am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

Labor had Hoffa. Remember Rachel Dolezal?

The flip side of your argument is none of these were setting up women’s marches, or science marches, or the March for Our Lives.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:27:50am

re: #152 Belafon

Labor had Hoffa. Remember Rachel Dolezal?

The flip side of your argument is none of these were setting up women’s marches, or science marches, or the March for Our Lives.

Oh yeah. The Teamsters broke our line on our 101-day strike. I really dislike the Teamsters. Mrs. Deb was a Teamster.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:28:01am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

That’s why I tend to hang with creaky old organizations—SPLC, ACLU, NAACP, OFA. They have been through the fire, and their leadership is vetted. The Indivisible kids are very interesting, but you always fear one of them will turn out to eat puppies.

Many of the Indivisible “kids” in my neck of the woods are my age. Or yours. But I agree in principle. (Although I’m glad to see younger people getting involved. )

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:28:33am

I think that the women’s marches are bigger than these people, though. I doubt they helped organize the Antarctic march, and they probably weren’t involved in the ones in Nebraska for example. The movement can function without them.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:28:52am

re: #136 Decatur Deb

Same, I suspect. Our (GE) local name included “Workers”, but it was never in the acronym.

I did some digging and the Wiki page for IUEW explains there was a separation in the 40s over disagreement between factions. Kind of fits some of the discussion about groups going on.

Wiki - International Union of Electrical Workers

I guess it formed when the UE was kicked out of the CIO.

Now I remember a bit more. My father’s union paper that came in the mail every month had in the banner IUEW-AFL-CIO.

From Wiki:

Founding
The IUE grew out of a dispute in the United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America (UE). The UE had been founded in 1936 and was given the first Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO) charter in 1938. As in many of the new CIO unions organized in the 1930s, the membership and leaders of UE included a variety of radicals, including socialists and communists, as well as New Deal liberals and Catholics. Concerned about the rise of fascism, these diverse forces put aside differences to form a “Popular Front.” The UE’s first President was James Carey, a follower of Catholic Social teaching, and Secretary-Treasurer Julius Emspak was allied with the Communist Party.

In 1941, however, the Communist faction moved to take total control and voted Carey out as President. Opposition emerged with Socialist and New Deal elements forming “UE Members for Democratic Action”, modeled on the liberal, anti-Communist “Americans for Democratic Action.” The Catholic element worked with the Association of Catholic Trade Unionists.

Between 1946 and 1949, the so-called “right wing” (as the anti-Communist faction was referred to) led an effort to win back leadership of the UE. While the anti-Communists built support, with the expulsion of the UE from the CIO in 1949, a new tactic was used of forming an new union — the IUE — with Carey as its leader. With the support of the CIO, over 300,000 former UE members joined the IUE in its first three years. By the mid-1950s, the IUE had easily overtaken the UE as the dominate union in electrical manufacturing.[1]

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:29:14am

re: #154 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Many of the Indivisible “kids” in my neck of the woods are my age. Or yours. But I agree in principle. (Although I’m glad to see younger people getting involved. )

I worked with one my grand-daughter’s age on the Doug Jones campaign. We made quite a canvassing pair.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:30:27am

re: #135 Jay C

AFAIK, yes and yes. Though the second point is usually considered moot, as IL-03(?) is a very Democratic-leaning district.

So was Rostenkowski’s district when he lost in 1994 during an off-year election. The BernieBro progressives led to Trump’s election. Yes, at this point, 2018 is very different from 1994 — but you never know what can happen when it’s off-year

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:31:54am

re: #141 Decatur Deb

Different than our IUE. IBEW is more a technical craft union—we were assembly line workers who happened to make electrical things.

Same as my father. He operated a milling machine to crank out shafts for washing machines. Just a different union.

From what Joe B said above and the Wiki page it appears Pittsburgh was a bunch of damn commies! Heh. I’m learning new history today.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:31:59am

re: #157 Decatur Deb

I worked with one my grand-daughter’s age on the Doug Jones campaign. We made quite a canvassing pair.

I worked the polls with a guy around my Dad’s age. It was funny because he would guess by looking at the people if they’d take a sample ballot from us. Western Loudoun has three types- Natives, transplanted Virginians, and out of state transplants. I’m the second.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:33:14am

re: #155 Belafon

I think that the women’s marches are bigger than these people, though. I doubt they helped organize the Antarctic march, and they probably weren’t involved in the ones in Nebraska for example. The movement can function without them.

It can and will.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:38:38am

I’m not sure about this but I think my Dad’s Dad may have been the only Democrat and or liberal of his parents and siblings. Dad’s Dad came from by far the most well to do background of my grandparents and was far as I know the only one with Republican parents. I don’t know what made him more of a liberal than his family. Perhaps it was seeing how the Depression impacted people, perhaps my Nana influenced him as she came from a much more modest background, or maybe he was just a plain old rebel going against the family grain. I had no idea my Great Grandpa was a Republican until I did the family research and found an old professional biography from the 20’s describing him as a supporter of the GOP but I don’t know if he was part of Roosevelt’s wing or Taft’s wing or some other wing. Too bad, that’d be interesting to do know. I do know his father, the German immigrant and first person in the states in my direct line with our surname was part of an anti-prohibition group though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:38:58am

I heard some wingnut groups are planning to counter protest the March for our Lives. That could be interesting to see, if only to laugh at how badly outnumbered the nutjobs are.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:39:05am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

It can and will.

And to be fair, a movement with an identified leader/leaders is vulnerable to that leader’s failings.

I’d be willing to be that not one in 10 women who marched in the Women’s March ever heard of Linda Sarsour. In order to discredit the Women’s March because of her, the Right first has to somehow establish her as key to the movement. Doesn’t work too well if the women in the movement don’t know who you’re talking about.

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Interesting Times  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:41:22am

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

I heard some wingnut groups are planning to counter protest the March for our Lives. That could be interesting to see, if only to laugh at how badly outnumbered the nutjobs are.

They’ll be open-carrying assault rifles, though, because attempting to intimidate children is exactly how these cowardly sociopaths roll.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:42:07am

re: #164 Blind Frog Belly White

And to be fair, a movement with an identified leader/leaders is vulnerable to that leader’s failings.

I’d be willing to be that not one in 10 women who marched in the Women’s March ever heard of Linda Sarsour. In order to discredit the Women’s March because of her, the Right first has to somehow establish her as key to the movement. Doesn’t work too well if the women in the movement don’t know who you’re talking about.

Absolutely. It’s kind of like when they go on about Alinsky to us. I’ve told this story before but as a former English minor, at first I confused Alinsky with Saul Bellows. Saul Alinsky hasn’t influenced how I think and believe. My parents, grandparents, and other people I actually know have far more than some guy from Chicago who died years before I was born. That said, I like what I know about the late Alinsky.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:43:30am
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:43:41am

re: #164 Blind Frog Belly White

And to be fair, a movement with an identified leader/leaders is vulnerable to that leader’s failings.

I’d be willing to be that not one in 10 women who marched in the Women’s March ever heard of Linda Sarsour. In order to discredit the Women’s March because of her, the Right first has to somehow establish her as key to the movement. Doesn’t work too well if the women in the movement don’t know who you’re talking about.

And the Republicans continually used Alinsky and Bill Ayers to demonize Obama, even though few voters were familiar with either one. Of course, unlike Alinksy who died 45 years ago, Bill Ayers is actually still alive

—ed to correct typo

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:45:08am

re: #167 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Byron, that’s not what happened and you fucking know it. By the way, look at our own country and look at the fact that the Cato Institute hardly a bastion of liberalism published a study showing that immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than natural born citizens. Trump was mocked for making something up in Sweden. Fuck off.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:45:46am

re: #165 Interesting Times

They’ll be open-carrying assault rifles, though, because attempting to intimidate children is exactly how these cowardly sociopaths roll.

There’s going to be a whole lot of adults there and at all the marches. I really don’t think the kids are going to be scared of them anyway.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:46:00am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. It’s kind of like when they go on about Alinsky to us. I’ve told this story before but as a former English minor, at first I confused Alinsky with Saul Bellows. Saul Alinsky hasn’t influenced how I think and believe. My parents, grandparents, and other people I actually know have far more than some guy from Chicago who died years before I was born. That said, I like what I know about the late Alinsky.

SAUL ALINSKEY! CLOWARD PIVEN STRATEGY!!!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:46:01am

re: #168 Hecuba’s daughter

And the Republicans continually used Alinsky and Bill Ayers to demonize Obama, even though few voters were familiar with either one. Of course, unlike Alinksy who died 45 years ageo, Bill Ayers is actually still alive

Palin was the most fond of using Ayers to attack Obama. Totally ignoring that there were plenty of Cook County Republicans on that same board.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:47:22am

re: #171 Blind Frog Belly White

SAUL ALINSKEY! CLOWARD PIVEN STRATEGY!!!

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Ha, that’s pretty much my reaction. I also like it when they tell us we want Venezuela’s economic system for our economy. Uh no. Some of us aren’t even sure if we want Norway or Sweden’s. Just because you oppose the right’s narrow vision of capitalism doesn’t make you a Chavista. Sorry National Review.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 9:48:12am

re: #168 Hecuba’s daughter

And the Republicans continually used Alinsky and Bill Ayers to demonize Obama, even though few voters were familiar with either one. Of course, unlike Alinksy who died 45 years ago, Bill Ayers is actually still alive

—ed to correct typo

Seems to me that only worked with Rightees — to whom Obama was already a demon.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:02:41am

It seems to me, after seeing yet another stupid discussion of whether anyone was ever killed in the name of atheism, that we really have an error of definition.

I’ve said repeatedly that atheism, by its nature of being a nonbelief in magic, is NOT an organizing principle. And I hold to that.

I’d argue that people like Stalin who murderously suppressed religion may have been atheist, but more importantly were ANTI-theist. Atheism does not imply antipathy to religion. Similarly, Christianity does not imply you’re a Falwell follower.

I think there are lots of atheists who are or who become antitheist, but it’s not really a necessary part of atheism.

Here endeth the lesson.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:08:09am

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

The great thing about atheism not being an organizing principle is that you don’t have to defend other atheists positions on anything beyond the nonexistence of deities.

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Archangelus  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:12:01am

re: #144 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Folks need to start convincing Dotard J. Trump that the reason the “fake news” media isn’t fair to him is because they don’t have to since folks got the Fairness Doctrine abolished… would bet he’d be all over Twitter demanding it be reinstated ASAP, much to GOP & Faux News panic…

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:13:40am

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

It seems to me, after seeing yet another stupid discussion of whether anyone was ever killed in the name of atheism, that we really have an error of definition.

I’ve said repeatedly that atheism, by its nature of being a nonbelief in magic, is NOT an organizing principle. And I hold to that.

I’d argue that people like Stalin who murderously suppressed religion may have been atheist, but more importantly were ANTI-theist. Atheism does not imply antipathy to religion. Similarly, Christianity does not imply you’re a Falwell follower.

I think there are lots of atheists who are or who become antitheist, but it’s not really a necessary part of atheism.

Here endeth the lesson.

You are right. Atheists such as Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot don’t commit murders in the name of atheism. They were atheists who committed mass murders in the name of an economic ideology that they were trying to impose on their nation.

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jeffreyw  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:13:53am

Imgur


Sunday Dinner

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:17:06am

re: #165 Interesting Times

They’ll be open-carrying assault rifles, though, because attempting to intimidate children is exactly how these cowardly sociopaths roll.

Can they open carry in DC though?

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:18:33am

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

I think we run the risk of engaging in a no true Scotsman. Yes, as a pure philosophical principle atheism is simply non-belief.

But “atheism” also refers to various movements.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:18:51am

re: #180 ObserverArt

Can they open carry in DC though?

A quick Google search says no, open carry is prohibited.

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MsJ  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:18:55am

re: #179 jeffreyw

Hey, that looks good. And I just happen to have some leftover corned beef in the fridge. I think I know what’s for dinner tonight.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:19:06am

re: #180 ObserverArt

Can they open carry in DC though?

Nope.

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CleverToad  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:22:15am

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

It seems to me, after seeing yet another stupid discussion of whether anyone was ever killed in the name of atheism, that we really have an error of definition.

I’ve said repeatedly that atheism, by its nature of being a nonbelief in magic, is NOT an organizing principle. And I hold to that.

I’d argue that people like Stalin who murderously suppressed religion may have been atheist, but more importantly were ANTI-theist. Atheism does not imply antipathy to religion. Similarly, Christianity does not imply you’re a Falwell follower.

I think there are lots of atheists who are or who become antitheist, but it’s not really a necessary part of atheism.

Here endeth the lesson.

size

Yes, it’s a distinction between those who simply don’t believe and those who proselytize their lack of belief with religious fervor, on a quest to convert the heretics.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:26:29am

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

It seems to me, after seeing yet another stupid discussion of whether anyone was ever killed in the name of atheism, that we really have an error of definition.

I’ve said repeatedly that atheism, by its nature of being a nonbelief in magic, is NOT an organizing principle. And I hold to that.

I’d argue that people like Stalin who murderously suppressed religion may have been atheist, but more importantly were ANTI-theist. Atheism does not imply antipathy to religion. Similarly, Christianity does not imply you’re a Falwell follower.

I think there are lots of atheists who are or who become antitheist, but it’s not really a necessary part of atheism.

Here endeth the lesson.

Militant anything tends to be deadly… including atheism.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:30:09am

re: #181 Nyet

I think we run the risk of engaging in a no true Scotsman. Yes, as a pure philosophical principle atheism is simply non-belief.

But “atheism” also refers to various movements.

Category error.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:30:24am

Saw this on the local NBC political show. Some here might find it interesting. A little review of the issues my Congresswoman Joyce Beatty (Ohio - District 3 - Columbus) has come across in her time as a Black woman and how it influenced her interesting in the MeToo women’s rights movement.

Iframe

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:30:51am

re: #187 Blind Frog Belly White

Category error.

To expand, you’re talking about the word. I’m talking about the thing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:31:46am

re: #185 CleverToad

size

Yes, it’s a distinction between those who simply don’t believe and those who proselytize their lack of belief with religious fervor, on a quest to convert the heretics.

Atheism =/= antitheism.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:33:27am

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

A quick Google search says no, open carry is prohibited.

re: #184 Unshaken Defiance

Nope.

Thanks guys! I didn’t think they could. Too bad, they are going to have to go without their black powder nerve boosters. Probably will cause them to chicken out.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:33:28am

Rango doesn’t care about categories. He just likes the warm sunlight.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:33:58am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

It can and will.

I don’t know who most of these women are and I helped organize the Women’s March in Houston. No one cares who they are, we are WAY past personalities driving the Women’s March movement.

It’s very important the kids be front and center for March for Our Lives. The Women’s March is another wave of feminism that has been around for decades. It should just be another part of society that rises up when provoked. And we have been mightily provoked.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:36:31am

re: #191 ObserverArt

Thanks guys! I didn’t think they could. Too bad, they are going to have to go without their black powder nerve boosters. Probably will cause them to chicken out.

They have plenty of dirty tricks to offer. Eyes wide open,, guns or no. Provocations, violence and in your face intimidation.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:38:28am

re: #159 ObserverArt

Same as my father. He operated a milling machine to crank out shafts for washing machines. Just a different union.

From what Joe B said above and the Wiki page it appears Pittsburgh was a bunch of damn commies! Heh. I’m learning new history today.

Well there was a very strong Socialist Party in Western PA that was weakened after the Palmer raids. Several towns around Pittsburgh had Socialist mayors and council members and workers voted for Socialist candidates even though Pennsylvania didn’t enact a Secret Ballot law until 1935. Before that the ballot box was a glass jar and the party ballots were different colors. Republican were blue, Democrat were green, Socialist were pink and Bull Moose were yellow. You voted the straight party ticket and mill owners would check your votes as they were counted. If you voted the wrong (Non-Republican) way you were fired. Even with those threats, lots of folks grabbed the pink ballots and there was a real revolt against that practice in 1912 when a lot of millworkers grabbed the yellow ballots for Teddy Roosevelt.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:40:08am

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

To expand, you’re talking about the word. I’m talking about the thing.

I think you’re missing the point. Words matter insofar we’re talking at all. So if we are talking about whether anyone was killed in the name of atheism, are we talking about your thing, or are we talking about a specific movement donning the mantle of atheism?

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jeffreyw  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:44:40am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:45:03am

re: #197 jeffreyw

Yummy!

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Interesting Times  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:45:18am

To me, it seems all the communist dictators did (Stalin, Mao, the Kim family) was replace conventional religion with their own cult of personality (i.e. god-like worship of a living person and their views, which even has a name in North Korea)

So…people in those countries weren’t killed in the name of atheism per sae, but for not following the official personality cult and all its derivatives.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:46:46am

re: #196 Nyet

I think you’re missing the point. Words matter insofar we’re talking at all. So if we are talking about whether anyone was killed in the name of atheism, are we talking about your thing, or are we talking about a specific movement donning the mantle of atheism?

I’m not missing the point. I’m saying everyone else is missing the point by focusing on the word, rather than the concept, and conflating the two. It’s a common thing to do, when a word has multiple definitions, to start with one definition and then try to use another as a club - “You’re an atheist? So was Stalin! He killed people for atheism, so you must agree with that!”

My point is that the simple absence of belief in deities - one definition of atheism - is not what people kill for. It’s not a philosophy, it’s not a way of life, it’s just absence of belief in deities. Some atheists also harbor antipathy to religion - often the one they were raised in, but for many its against all others.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:49:46am

we need to hear from the Bishop of the First Church of Atheism for his views on the matter as well

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:49:47am

re: #192 Blind Frog Belly White

Rango doesn’t care about categories. He just likes the warm sunlight.

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Solar Powered Dog.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:50:58am

re: #200 Blind Frog Belly White

Sure, but it’s not the only sense in which the word is employed. That people are committing a fallacy is neither here, nor there. The Soviet form of atheism - “the scientific atheism” - included what you call antitheism.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:51:41am

Words become laden with meaning that follows them wherever they go. But the WORD is not the THING. A nose by any other name would smell. If you called absence of belief in deities ‘crelv’ instead of ‘atheism’, maybe you could - briefly - have a discussion about it with everyone bringing in their definitions of the WORD.

So, I’m crelvan.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:52:50am

re: #203 Nyet

Sure, but it’s not the only sense in which the word is employed. That people are committing a fallacy is neither here, nor there. The Soviet form of atheism - “the scientific atheism” - included what you call antitheism.

And therein lies the problem.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:56:16am

re: #202 ObserverArt

Solar Powered Dog.

He needed to recharge, after sleeping all night, for the nap he’s now taking.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 10:58:09am

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

He needed to recharge, after sleeping all night, for the nap he’s now taking.

Metalhead. /

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:00:38am

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

And therein lies the problem.

Again, to expand - people on different sides of the discussion are using the same word for different concepts. It’s like Socialism. People use the same word to describe everything from any state-run benefits program all the way to ownership by the proletariat of the means of production, “From each/To each’- style collectivism.

Then they attack the former for all the failings of the latter. “Unemployment insurance can’t work because Venezuela is collapsing!”

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:02:28am

re: #199 Interesting Times

To me, it seems all the communist dictators did (Stalin, Mao, the Kim family) was replace conventional religion with their own cult of personality (i.e. god-like worship of a living person and their views, which even has a name in North Korea)

So…people in those countries weren’t killed in the name of atheism per sae, but for not following the official personality cult and all its derivatives.

To me it is all politics. I have always believed The Bible was another book of laws. The difference was there was an untouchable authority that could not be challenged behind the laws rather than a human.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:04:03am

re: #209 ObserverArt

To me it is all politics. I have always believed The Bible was another book of laws. The difference was there was an untouchable authority that could not be challenged behind the laws rather than a human.

That is certainly one use of the Bible. Not the only use, but a popular one.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:04:54am

re: #165 Interesting Times

They’ll be open-carrying assault rifles, though, because attempting to intimidate children is exactly how these cowardly sociopaths roll.

Not on the National Mall or DC in general.

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jaunte  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:05:07am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:08:22am

re: #212 jaunte

Robert Mueller.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:09:26am

re: #212 jaunte

Trump colluded.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:09:45am

re: #212 jaunte

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President Obama.

Trump sucks

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:11:35am

Immigrants contribute

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:15:43am

Transgender rights.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:16:50am

Dreamers rule.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:18:25am
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:19:50am

re: #219 Nyet

Obama.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:20:49am

re: #220 PhillyPretzel

Yes, but unlike Obama, Soros triggers them almost all around the world ;)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:22:29am

re: #221 Nyet

Yes, but unlike Obama, Soros triggers them almost all around the world ;)

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:23:58am

Hell the very word socialism does. They all really think every socialist is the same. What made LaPierre likening gun control to socialism funny for me was the fact his organization actually endorsed a certain self described Dem socialist.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:24:31am

Evolution.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:24:51am

Adventure Time will seemingly end this month :(

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:26:38am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we need to hear from the Bishop of the First Church of Atheism for his views on the matter as well

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:32:22am

re: #92 Decatur Deb

That’s the limiting weakness in “movements” as opposed to “organizations”. They have no self-regulatory mechanisms. With the best will in the world, there is simply no pathway to purge the pathological. When it gets bad enough, all they can do is fragment.

Note that even established political parties suffer from this—there are very few processes that allow Democratic or Republican Party leadership to purge nutcase candidates.

The Dems could start by only allowing registered dems to run under their banner

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:34:45am

re: #225 Nyet

Adventure Time will seemingly end this month :(

It and Gumball were going to end this year. Do you have a date on the final shows?

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:35:37am

re: #105 Dave In Austin

Florida Woman

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North Florida is souther than the south

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:36:22am

re: #229 dangerman

North Florida is souther than the south

The Southern Alabama portion of the state.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:37:52am

re: #229 dangerman

North Florida is souther than the south

Only state that the more north you go, the more south you are and vice versa.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:40:52am

re: #230 Belafon

The Southern Alabama portion of the state.

After a day registering voters in a N Florida college, I told Wife it felt good to be crossing back into Baja Alabama.

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VaughnIAM  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:47:24am

re: #165 Interesting Times
They’ll be open-carrying assault rifles, though, because attempting to intimidate children is exactly how these cowardly sociopaths roll.

Open carry is not allowed in Washington, DC.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:55:19am

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

It seems to me, after seeing yet another stupid discussion of whether anyone was ever killed in the name of atheism, that we really have an error of definition.

I’ve said repeatedly that atheism, by its nature of being a nonbelief in magic, is NOT an organizing principle. And I hold to that.

I’d argue that people like Stalin who murderously suppressed religion may have been atheist, but more importantly were ANTI-theist. Atheism does not imply antipathy to religion. Similarly, Christianity does not imply you’re a Falwell follower.

I think there are lots of atheists who are or who become antitheist, but it’s not really a necessary part of atheism.

Here endeth the lesson.

Atheism is a statement or opinion about the existence of god
Nothing more or less.

No one ever killed anybody “in the name of” “there is no god”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 11:57:28am

re: #234 dangerman

Atheism is a statement or opinion about the existence of god!.
Nothing more or less.

No one ever killed anybody “in the name of” “there is no god”

They kill people because they can’t accept other people believing differently, or because the people who believe differently are in the way.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:00:02pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

He needed to recharge, after sleeping all night, for the nap he’s now taking.

You sure he’s not a cat?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:00:13pm

Digging in is the dumbest thing Trump could possibly do here so of course he’s doing it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:00:43pm

re: #237 goddamnedfrank

Digging in is the dumbest thing Trump could possibly do here so of course he’s doing it.

[Embedded content]

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:01:47pm

re: #212 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Liberty, justice

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:02:24pm

re: #237 goddamnedfrank

Digging in is the dumbest thing Trump could possibly do here so of course he’s doing it.

[Embedded content]

Can you say Smoot-Hawley Tarriff boys and girls? I knew you could!!!!

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:02:36pm

re: #237 goddamnedfrank

Digging in is the dumbest thing Trump could possibly do here so of course he’s doing it.

[Embedded content]

“Nixon’s price fixing was a huge success.”

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:05:25pm

re: #228 Belafon

March 18 - the seemingly last episodes except the final one, which is gonna be a long one, no TBA date yet.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:07:53pm
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retired cynic  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:08:11pm

re: #236 dangerman

Sight hounds appear to be closely related to cats, in my experience. Perhaps that is why they are my favorites among dogs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:12:00pm

re: #243 JordanRules

Note to self: When in doubt, just let the monkey go.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:13:45pm

re: #243 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

He didn’t exercise his 2nd amendment rights?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:14:38pm

re: #246 Belafon

He didn’t exercise his 2nd amendment rights?

Did not happen in U.S.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:17:05pm

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

Did not happen in U.S.

OK. That makes more sense. I was just going off the title. I figured Florida.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:18:21pm

Now that I’ve actually read it, that kind of sucks.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:19:34pm

re: #243 JordanRules

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While he’s a North Florida man he’s living in Bali where it happened, so I call a stretch

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:20:10pm

re: #243 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

If a monkey swiped my Steeler cap I’d have a good belly laugh meeting a fellow Steeler fan!

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:20:24pm

re: #219 Nyet

[Embedded content]

Liberal

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:21:27pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:22:00pm

re: #155 Belafon

I think that the women’s marches are bigger than these people, though. I doubt they helped organize the Antarctic march, and they probably weren’t involved in the ones in Nebraska for example. The movement can function without them.

Thank you. I’ve never heard of any of these women and they mean nothing to me. The millions of women who have marched, voted against and are committed to resisting Trump and his agenda probably don’t have a clue about any of these three women either. Not sure how this is a huge issue.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:22:21pm

re: #253 goddamnedfrank

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:23:01pm

re: #243 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

Sad because he could just have bought a new hat.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:25:17pm

re: #253 goddamnedfrank

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Kevin Bludso would look at that Plate and say “What the…”

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:28:20pm

re: #193 BlueGrl21

Again, thank you. Why the Women’s March will be derailed because of a few bad apples is beyond me. We’re about to vote in November to flip Congress and stop’s Trump’s horrific agenda. The three women sound like horrendous people but they’re not the Women’s March. I assume that there will be bad eggs in any movement.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:29:59pm

re: #258 Patricia Kayden

Again, thank you. Why the Women’s March will be derailed because of a few bad apples is beyond me. We’re about to vote in November to flip Congress and stop’s Trump’s horrific agenda. The three women sound like horrendous people but they’re not the Women’s March. I assume that there will be bad eggs in any movement.

Three bad eggs vs the thousands in the RussiarepubliKKKlan Party…

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:30:01pm

I predict this gif will be going into heavy rotation.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:31:15pm

re: #213 Eclectic Cyborg

Robert Mueller.

Russian collusion.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:32:17pm

re: #254 Patricia Kayden

Thank you. I’ve never heard of any of these women and they mean nothing to me. The millions of women who have marched, voted against and are committed to resisting Trump and his agenda probably don’t have a clue about any of these three women either. Not sure how this is a huge issue.

Who is signing for the porta-potties for the Women’s March? This is not a joke question.

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BigPapa  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:32:22pm

re: #245 Eclectic Cyborg

Note to self: When in doubt, just let the monkey go.

I just showed my wife that and reminded her she’s lucky I’m not a football fan. So I should be good the rest of the day.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:32:50pm

What a thread!

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:33:43pm

Grrrrr. I’m trying to get a simple answer to a simple question about ATT’s Directv Now and how it uses my data allowance and it seems I have asked the question that cannot be answered. 2 phone calls, and now on chat. They’ve gone missing!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:36:36pm

Mueller Investigation Hoping To Uncover WTF Kushner Actually Does In White House

boyish mogul known primarily for tragically ill advised family finance threatening investment in 666 5th av

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:37:35pm

re: #266 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Is there anything more fitting for Kushner than the address being 666?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:39:49pm

re: #265 ObserverArt

Short version:

- You do NOT use your data allotment while watching movies and shows on the App on your phone or tablet.

- You DO use your data allotment while browsing in the app or any other time an active video stream is NOT playing.

- You DO use your data allotment when streaming with Apple TV, Roku and Chromecast devices.

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:40:57pm

re: #264 JordanRules

What a thread!

[Embedded content]

I enjoyed that, but I am glad I did not go to twitter when I had a swallow in my bike shop.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:48:38pm
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Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:50:02pm

re: #102 Nyet

She’s a fan of Farrakhan herself, as her Instagram comment shows.

We must be looking at different Instagram comments. The one I saw didn’t even mention Farrakhan directly.
Never understood the attraction of some progressives for Farrakhan. He’s misogynistic, anti-gay, anti-trans and has been pumping out weird conspiracy theories since before Alex Jones was just a weird guy in Austin.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:52:36pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

assault rifle

one of my favorite stops in the gun debate is when wingnuts get all heated up about the very existence of the term ‘assault rifle’

apparently if this phrase could be admitted to have meaning the entire work view of the nra would collapse

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:54:00pm
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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 12:56:30pm

re: #272 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I found this link that collected a number of the times the gun industry referred to them as assault weapons:

forums.macrumors.com

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:00:30pm

re: #271 Ace-o-aces

“The brother does not age. God bless him”, wrote Linda Sarsour, commenting on the photo of Carmen Perez and Mysonne Linen together with Farrakhan, about a year or so after taking a part in his rally as a speaker.

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:00:36pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:00:50pm

re: #273 Belafon

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I love those kids. Sorry to say but it doesn’t look as if any legislation of substance will be passed in Congress until the Republicans are replaced.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:05:40pm

Geez. Missed half the thread because the Spy conked out on me at some point. At some point, I might have to suspect the computer… [Suspicious glare.]

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:09:24pm

re: #275 Nyet

“The brother does not age. God bless him”, wrote Linda Sarsour, commenting on the photo of Carmen Perez and Mysonne Linen together with Farrakhan, about a year or so after taking a part in his rally as a speaker.

That’s unfortunate, but not exactly going all in on Farrakhan’s agenda. Seems like the kind of sentiment you’d want to back away from if you want to get anywhere in national politics.
Then again, Trump didn’t suffer for his embrace of the alt-right. Maybe some liberals saw that and figured they could let their freak-flag fly as well,

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:12:55pm

re: #219 Nyet

I see and trump… .Clinton.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:13:07pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:13:49pm

re: #268 Eclectic Cyborg

Short version:

- You do NOT use your data allotment while watching movies and shows on the App on your phone or tablet.

- You DO use your data allotment while browsing in the app or any other time an active video stream is NOT playing.

- You DO use your data allotment when streaming with Apple TV, Roku and Chromecast devices.

I am using a Fire TV device. When I signed up I was told it would NOT use my data. I spoke to a tech manager and he said that should be the case.

Right now they have me confused…and damn angry because no one seems to be able to give me a straight answer.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:15:47pm

re: #281 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

Or “Black President”. Either phrase works.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:15:49pm

re: #282 ObserverArt

I am using a Fire TV device. When I signed up I was told it would NOT use my data. I spoke to a tech manager and he said that should be the case.

Right now they have me confused…and damn angry because no one seems to be able to give me a straight answer.

Since that falls into the same category as Apple TV/Roku/Chromecast, I would assume that it would use your data, but I’m hardly the expert.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:17:12pm

re: #279 Ace-o-aces

These people’s embrace of Farrakhan long predated Trump.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:18:08pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:24:19pm

re: #282 ObserverArt

I am using a Fire TV device. When I signed up I was told it would NOT use my data. I spoke to a tech manager and he said that should be the case.

Right now they have me confused…and damn angry because no one seems to be able to give me a straight answer.

From an official AT&T post on their forums:

Link for more info: forums.att.com

There is definitely some confusion among AT&T care reps regarding this.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:26:58pm

re: #279 Ace-o-aces

That’s unfortunate, but not exactly going all in on Farrakhan’s agenda. Seems like the kind of sentiment you’d want to back away from if you want to get anywhere in national politics.
Then again, Trump didn’t suffer for his embrace of the alt-right. Maybe some liberals saw that and figured they could let their freak-flag fly as well,

Linda Sarsour attempted to coopt “Feminism” by proclaiming that any woman who supports Israel cannot be a “Feminist.”

Golda Meir to Linda Sarsour: תלכי תנפוקי אתך בבקשה

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:29:31pm

re: #288 The Vicious Babushka

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:30:23pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

Just finished watching Mute on Netflix, it had potential but never quite lived up to it. Not bad but not great either … meh I guess.

I enjoyed the light touch approach to sci fi though, where the setting and attendant technology are really just like any other background, only barely brushing up against the plot in organic ways, guiding events gently. Because sci fi elements are too often heavily leaned on as contorted crutches, in order to make otherwise clearly broken and disjointed storytelling limp along in some semblance of plausibility.

See Annihilation before it leaves theaters.


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