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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:34:40pm

Hey, Observerart, are you still around?

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:37:23pm
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nowherenorth2  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:38:12pm

re: #2 Scottish Dragon

Forever unclean

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:39:16pm

re: #2 Scottish Dragon

Sure, go back now, now that the damage is done. Thanks a lot, asshole.

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:44:27pm

re: #4 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sure, go back now, now that the damage is done. Thanks a lot, asshole.

“I never thought the leopard would eat my face off!”

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:52:54pm

re: #4 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sure, go back now, now that the damage is done. Thanks a lot, asshole.

If we want to win, we have to accept these people back with open arms.

The MSM should be held accountable for the fact that many voters who are not into politics with the same interest as we are and who are focused on raising a family and paying the mortgage were not really aware of how terrible he actually was. If you listened to only a few of his speeches, he really connected with those who are the losers in the modern economy. People want the middle class lives that our parents had — where a working class family had a comfortable life — and company-provided benefits. They didn’t hear Trump’s comments that Americans were too highly paid — because the media and the Democrats failed to tell them.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:53:44pm

re: #6 Hecuba’s daughter

I’ll accept them back, that’s fine, but I am going to be a smartass about it. People who caused the problem can be part of the solution, but that doesn’t mean I won’t give them shit for being part of the problem in the first place.

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stpaulbear  Mar 4, 2018 • 1:54:09pm

re: #4 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sure, go back now, now that the damage is done. Thanks a lot, asshole.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:03:29pm

re: #7 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’ll accept them back, that’s fine, but I am going to be a smartass about it. People who caused the problem can be part of the solution, but that doesn’t mean I won’t give them shit for being part of the problem in the first place.

It’s fine to insult them in this forum. But not when trying to recruit them back to the truth or when they return on their own — let them come to this conclusion on their own. It’s the MSM who is responsible for many of the Obama supporters who switched to Trump — they are the ones who should be insulted and held accountable in public forums.

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Slump-chan  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:03:34pm

re: #6 Hecuba’s daughter

If we’re willing to accept Bush voters who supported the war in Iraq, we should accept these people, too.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:05:52pm
When we last checked in on shamed neo-Nazi hanger-on Baked Alaska, he had been kicked off Twitter and was livestreaming some sort of talk show from what certainly seemed to be his mom’s house in Alaska. This was just the latest in the troll’s long string of humiliations, which include possibly macing himself (see above), getting owned by a little kid, getting his phone shattered by a woman he was trying to hit on, and spending a long time creepily hitting on an 13-year-old girl. YouTube (and his mom’s house) had come to feel like a sort of final resting place for the onetime “alt-right” figurehead, a channel where he could cut out the filter and vomit edgelord provocation directly into the garbage bins of his viewers’ minds.

avclub.com

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stpaulbear  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:07:03pm

re: #6 Hecuba’s daughter

If we want to win, we have to accept these people back with open arms.

That doesn’t mean that we have to give them what they want in order to get their vote. They wanted the Trump Republican lies.

The MSM should be held accountable for the fact that many voters who are not into politics with the same interest as we are and who are focused on raising a family and paying the mortgage were not really aware of how terrible he actually was. If you listened to only a few of his speeches, he really connected with those who are the losers in the modern economy. People want the middle class lives that our parents had — where a working class family had a comfortable life — and company-provided benefits. They didn’t hear Trump’s comments that Americans were too highly paid — because the media and the Democrats failed to tell them.

Hillary was spelling all this stuff out every day in her campaign. If she failed, it wasn’t for lack of her trying. She couldn’t promise them a return to our way of life in the 50’s because those days are dead and gone, and in a lot of ways, good f-ing riddance.

These people voted for Trump because they wanted to believe lies. If they’re smarter about it now, good for them, but we don’t have to give them that bullshit again to make them side with us.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:09:57pm

re: #12 stpaulbear

Wait, so you don’t believe in the BernieBro strategy of winning?

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stpaulbear  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:12:22pm

re: #13 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Bernie didn’t win.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:13:33pm

re: #14 stpaulbear

Bernie didn’t win.

only because the DNC cheated him of victory

/

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:13:48pm

If George Wallace’s maiden aunt wants to vote against Trump and Martha Roby, I’ll drive her to the polls.

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:17:04pm

So apparently an XBox One not only works as a game console, but also as a $300 cat warmer.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:17:35pm

re: #12 stpaulbear

And they voted for Trump despite being well aware of his bigotry, ignorance and inexperience. They knew he was a dangerous buffoon and still voted him into the most powerful political position in the world. Outrageous. But of course we welcome their votes and change of hearts. Trump hasn’t changed so why they voted for him in 2016 is a mystery.

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:18:49pm

re: #6 Hecuba’s daughter

If we want to win, we have to accept these people back with open arms.

Not completely.

What Trump is was not a secret. It was blatantly obvious to anyone and everyone who watched. While the NYT and CNN are desperately trying to give Trump voters excuses, they will simply embrace the next fascist who comes along unless they are held accountable for their actions and choices. If an acquaintance willingly and maliciously does something that he knows will hurt me or my loved ones, and then wants to make peace and be invited back into my circle, I’ll take him back, but there has to be apology and restitution. If he wants me to take him back while still insisting that his idea was right but the optics or something was wrong, then fuck that.

The counterargument to that is the same one David Brooks and his ilk make - that you have to respect and coddle redstaters and Trumpers so they don’t feel attacked, so their feelings aren’t hurt, otherwise they’ll stubbornly insist on doing more evil. Well, that’s gotten us exactly where we are today with regards to racism, fascism, guns, and everything else. No more. It’s not okay to blame everyone else for their malice. It’s not okay to rely on your white privilege to be excused for every terrible choice you make. It’s not okay to vote Trump and then declare that it was just a passing fad.

We don’t need them to win. That’s the same fallacy that leads us to argue that they need to be coddled and respected. That’s the same fallacy that leads us to believe that the opinions of mediocre white men and women are the most important ones, because we ‘need them to win’. We don’t. There are enough people to outnumber them and outvote them. If they want to be on the winning side, they can apologise and work for their spot.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:18:54pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

Of course. Kitty has to get some benefit.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:19:04pm

re: #18 Patricia Kayden

And they voted for Trump despite being well aware of his bigotry, ignorance and inexperience. They knew he was a dangerous buffoon and still voted him into the most powerful political position in the world. Outrageous. But of course we welcome their votes and change of hearts. Trump hasn’t changed so why they voted for him in 2016 is a mystery.

Because half the people in this country who even bother to vote spend about 20 minutes thinking about it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:20:58pm

re: #14 stpaulbear

Bernie didn’t win.

And that is, in fact, exactly my point.

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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:24:03pm

Howdy, Lizardim!

Back home after a rapid-fire weekend in Florida. One rehearsal, 2 packed gigs, a shit ton of driving, flights out of and back into La Guardia - and I lived to tell the tale.

And the band hubbed out of the very heart of Trump country, with a drummer who voted for Whatsisface. Gun guy, really conservative, but extremely upset with how Trump is mishandling immigration for some reason. Even admitted he might not vote for him again.

Weird weekend, good to be back. Gonna watch the Knicks get pasted tonight.

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BeachDem  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:25:07pm

re: #18 Patricia Kayden

And they voted for Trump despite being well aware of his bigotry, ignorance and inexperience. They knew he was a dangerous buffoon and still voted him into the most powerful political position in the world. Outrageous. But of course we welcome their votes and change of hearts. Trump hasn’t changed so why they voted for him in 2016 is a mystery.

I stick to my mantra about Trump voters:

Stupid or hateful or both.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:25:07pm

re: #11 Nyet

avclub.com

I am so glad that George Soros is watching and reporting wingnut YouTubes in his spare time.

//

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:25:44pm

re: #14 stpaulbear

Bernie didn’t win.

Fake News

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:26:41pm

re: #21 Decatur Deb

Because half the people in this country who even bother to vote spend about 20 minutes thinking about it.

This morning on NPR, Mara Liasson said nobody should be surprised about the tariffs because Trump’s been talking like that for thirty years. We now need to pay attention to every whacko on TV, because who can tell.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:31:22pm

re: #24 BeachDem

I stick to my mantra about Trump voters:

Stupid or hateful or both.

Yep, it’s usually some combo there of. But I’ll add another- willfully ignorant.

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nines09  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:33:32pm

re: #23 makeitstop

Hey. It wasn’t a tour bus that once was a Greyhound bus that once was in a wreck and pulled to the left at high speed and your driver insisted on looking at you when he spoke…..

Fly Rig work as advertised in live setting?

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meteor  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:37:47pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:42:24pm

re: #24 BeachDem

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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:44:12pm

re: #29 nines09

Fly Rig work as advertised in live setting?

It worked very well! Added just enough hair to liven things up, without sounding canned or digital. And you just can’t beat the compactitude, if you will.

And the bonus - the production company had a pair of Silverface Twins and I used a different one each night. They had one with JBLs that was a big ol’ monster.

And the crew liked my playing enough that they entrusted me with an insanely nice ‘66 ES-345 from their collection for the show last night! That rig was…pretty special.

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BeachDem  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:47:48pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:47:51pm

If we limit our communion to the foot-washing, dyed-in-the-blood-of-the-Lamb progressive faithful, we have exactly enough votes to lose the electoral college in 2020.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:49:31pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Hey, Observerart, are you still around?

Just got back in….

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:50:54pm

re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s fine to insult them in this forum. But not when trying to recruit them back to the truth or when they return on their own — let them come to this conclusion on their own. It’s the MSM who is responsible for many of the Obama supporters who switched to Trump — they are the ones who should be insulted and held accountable in public forums.

i understand why you did it
don’t do it again

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:52:18pm

re: #15 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

only because the DNC cheated him of victory

/

that and he got less votes
//

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BeachDem  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:54:18pm

I guess Maggie’s main sources at the WH must be gone because now she’s fluffing Kellyanne Conway. Sigh

nytimes.com

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:55:02pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

If we limit our communion to the foot-washing, dyed-in-the-blood-of-the-Lamb progressive faithful, we have exactly enough votes to lose the electoral college in 2020.

We’re not calling for excommunication, we’re seeking an act of contrition. Some small acknowledgment that they have sinned and seek forgiveness for it, not simply welcoming them back into the flock while assuring them that their “best intentions” were understandable.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:55:45pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

So apparently an XBox One not only works as a game console, but also as a $300 cat warmer.

My amplifier for surround sound serves a very similar purpose.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:55:54pm

re: #23 makeitstop

Howdy, Lizardim!

Back home after a rapid-fire weekend in Florida. One rehearsal, 2 packed gigs, a shit ton of driving, flights out of and back into La Guardia - and I lived to tell the tale.

And the band hubbed out of the very heart of Trump country, with a drummer who voted for Whatsisface. Gun guy, really conservative, but extremely upset with how Trump is mishandling immigration for some reason. Even admitted he might not vote for him again.

Weird weekend, good to be back. Gonna watch the Knicks get pasted tonight.

Did your home on Long Island get through the storm???

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:56:15pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

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best food on the planet

{more envy}

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:56:50pm

re: #19 Renaissance_Man

Not completely.

What Trump is was not a secret. It was blatantly obvious to anyone and everyone who watched. While the NYT and CNN are desperately trying to give Trump voters excuses, they will simply embrace the next fascist who comes along unless they are held accountable for their actions and choices. …

The issue isn’t the NYT and CNN excusing them today, it’s the fact that during the campaign the NYT, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, Washington Post etc provided billions of dollars of free coverage to Trump and really failed to cover his flaws; they focused on Hillary’s e-mails. Most people were not watching that much — or reading that much — they get a few minues each day on Morning Joke or one of the other morning shows. Not so much coverage of Trump’s real history but instead fluff piece profiles of the candidates.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:57:43pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

We’re not calling for excommunication, we’re seeking an act of contrition. Some small acknowledgment that they have sinned and seek forgiveness for it, not simply welcoming them back into the flock while assuring them that their “best intentions” were understandable.

The simple act of voting for “the other guy” is more of a wrench than many people can stand. It’s a lot more comfortable to rest in the habits of vice.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:57:44pm

re: #35 ObserverArt

Just got back in….

Okay, re: AT&T.

I am not a networking expert but my understanding is the data free streaming occurs when the relevant data can be correctly processed and identified through AT&Ts network.

Apparently, and I do not know the technical explanation for this, the data has to be running through a device directly connected to the mobile network for the whole thing to bill, but for some reason devices connected using the hotspot feature on your phone or tablet are excluded.

Either there is some kind of network limitation there or AT&T is arbitrarily restricting the feature. The exclusion of the Fire Stick, Apple TV, Roku, etc. has always been there, deep in the fine print but, as I said earlier it’s seldom covered properly by AT&T reps when selling the service to customers.

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nowherenorth2  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:58:15pm

re: #32 makeitstop

I must ask what music you play my friend

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nines09  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:59:16pm

re: #32 makeitstop

It worked very well! Added just enough hair to liven things up, without sounding canned or digital. And you just can’t beat the compactitude, if you will.

And the bonus - the production company had a pair of Silverface Twins and I used a different one each night. They had one with JBLs that was a big ol’ monster.

And the crew liked my playing enough that they entrusted me with an insanely nice ‘66 ES-345 from their collection for the show last night! That rig was…pretty special.

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That is props! Nice gesture! JBL laden Twins can disable the first 3 rows when used properly.
With a semi-hollow body with buckers?… hoo hoo…. and is that a freaking varitone on that?
Beauty, eh?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:59:52pm

re: #2 Scottish Dragon

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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2018 • 2:59:52pm

re: #41 ObserverArt

Did your home on Long Island get through the storm???

Thanks for asking! We apparently got between 4 and 6 inches of rain, but luckily lost no trees and no damage besides a small lake in our back yard. My wife didn’t get to travel, and we exchanged texts to the extent we (I) could while in transit to Florida.

I think hanging out into the ocean actually worked in our favor for once, given the extent of the mayhem to both the south and north.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:01:16pm

re: #47 nines09

That is props! Nice gesture! JBL laden Twins can disable the first 3 rows when used properly.
With a semi-hollow body with buckers?… hoo hoo…. and is that a freaking varitone on that?
Beauty, eh?

is that english?

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:01:18pm

re: #44 Decatur Deb

The simple act of voting for “the other guy” is more of a wrench than many people can stand. It’s a lot more comfortable to rest in the habits of vice.

We have to seek some sort of acknowledgment from those wishing to “undo” their vote for Trump that that vote was more than a simple mistake. Part of dealing with vices like racism, bigotry, resentment, and so forth is acknowledging that they hold sway over you. Else we get the ranks of those who scream “I’M NOT A RACIST” as they quietly nod along to Trump’s foul rants against minorities.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:03:18pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

We have to seek some sort of acknowledgment from those wishing to “undo” their vote for Trump that that vote was more than a simple mistake. Part of dealing with vices like racism, bigotry, resentment, and so forth is acknowledging that they hold sway over you. Else we get the ranks of those who scream “I’M NOT A RACIST” as they quietly nod along to Trump’s foul rants against minorities.

Nobody ever owes me or my candidate their vote. The obligation flows the other way.

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Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:03:19pm

5 trashcans filled to the brim with sticks and branches.
10ish roof shingles found.
My everything hurts.

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:04:53pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

[Mom!!!!!!!]

Erica Jong has no blue check mark. Her daughter can take comfort in that, at least.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:04:57pm

re: #53 Varek Raith

Wouldn’t it have been easier to incinerate the planet with your layzer gun?

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Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:05:40pm

re: #55 Nyet

Wouldn’t it have been easier to incinerate the planet with your layzer gun?

Shush you.

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:07:06pm

re: #43 Hecuba’s daughter

The issue isn’t the NYT and CNN excusing them today, it’s the fact that during the campaign the NYT, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, Washington Post etc provided billions of dollars of free coverage to Trump and really failed to cover his flaws; they focused on Hillary’s e-mails. Most people were not watching that much — or reading that much — they get a few minues each day on Morning Joke or one of the other morning shows. Not so much coverage of Trump’s real history but instead fluff piece profiles of the candidates.

There was a lot less coverage of Trump’s flaws than he deserved, that is true. But that was mostly because they presented her emails with at least equal time, giving the impression that these were somehow equal to his flaws. Any fair and equitable journalism would have resulted in 24/7 coverage of Trump atrocities, and their editorial boards would not have it.

But I don’t think it’s plausible or reasonable for anyone to say, ‘well, I thought Trump was a decent guy, just unconventional’, even with the endless media fluffing he got. If he’d been held up as some sort of paragon, or even someone normal, and people were fooled, then I can buy that. I don’t believe and can’t believe people looked at a man making fun of the disabled and bragging about his penis size on national television and thought that was somehow within the bounds of normal. No, if you lived in the United States, and after that 18 months of campaigning and media coverage you thought Donald fucking Trump was somehow an appropriate president, you weren’t fooled or hoodwinked. You just wanted to express your contempt and anger.

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:07:36pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

Nobody ever owes me or my candidate their vote. The obligation flows the other way.

Then it’s easier, as noted up above, to focus our attention on those who sat out the election than trying to win back those who voted for Trump for other reasons. It’s not a matter of excommunicating them from the flock, it’s just an acknowledgment that the flock cannot be led by a few wayward sheep.

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:07:44pm

re: #56 Varek Raith

Shush you.

Now get up on all the rooves* and find out who is missing what!

*if that aint the plural, it should be

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:08:49pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

Okay, re: AT&T.

I am not a networking expert but my understanding is the data free streaming occurs when the relevant data can be correctly processed and identified through AT&Ts network.

Apparently, and I do not know the technical explanation for this, the data has to be running through a device directly connected to the mobile network for the whole thing to bill, but for some reason devices connected using the hotspot feature on your phone or tablet are excluded.

Either there is some kind of network limitation there or AT&T is arbitrarily restricting the feature. The exclusion of the Fire Stick, Apple TV, Roku, etc. has always been there, deep in the fine print but, as I said earlier it’s seldom covered properly by AT&T reps when selling the service to customers.

Tell me about it. It sure was not explained.

And I do not understand how I can watch the Directv Now app on a tablet through my Wifi connection, but I need to pay for more internet data on a FireTV device that gets the very same feed through the damn Wifi.

And, if I understand correctly. A Chromecast device would sinc up to my table, so I could get one of those and then sync my table to the TV to achieve the same damn thing. I don’t get it. So much makes no sense.

And it apparently makes no sense to the ATT people as they passed me from tech to tech on the phone. Then they got me a manager on the phone who gave me a number to Directv people who couldn’t help me with Directv Now questions and info as to how it works on my internet data plan.

Then I went to Directv Now online chat and was passed around three times between cell people and internet people that no one seemed to understand my questions and how it all worked.

The final guy I talked to say yes, it nicks your data usage and there is nothing he could do about it except charge me another $30 for unlimited internet.

I have more decisions to make and stuff to research…like can I sync my tablet to the FireTV device or do I try a Chromecast to do it.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:09:43pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Then it’s easier, as noted up above, to focus our attention on those who sat out the election than trying to win back those who voted for Trump for other reasons. It’s not a matter of excommunicating them from the flock, it’s just an acknowledgment that the flock cannot be led by a few wayward sheep.

A corrigible dumbass who will go to the polls is more valuable than a well-meaning slug who won’t. I’ll take votes where we can get them.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:09:57pm

Nice to see that FreeRepublic is running like a fine tuned WebTV

As of midnight on the morning of March 1, the credit card processing company we use upgraded their systems software and now our system is incompatible with theirs. I’m not a systems tech so can’t sufficiently explain all the details, but long story short, after lots of recompiling and rebuilding, John has been unable to resolve the incompatibility issues without impacting the rest of our system and doesn’t want to risk bringing down our entire system

freerepublic.com

But that cutting edge website needs $352,000 in yearly donations to keep going?

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Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:10:06pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

Now get up on all the rooves* and find out who is missing what!

*if that aint the plural, it should be

Ah, that one’s easy!
My roof.
;)

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:10:21pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

Now get up on all the rooves* and find out who is missing what!

*if that aint the plural, it should be

It once was a recognized alternate in PA.

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Jay C  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:10:32pm

re: #37 dangerman

only because the DNC cheated him of victory

/

that and he got less votes
//

Well, when both these factors go against you, what can you do?

re: #39 Targetpractice

We’re not calling for excommunication, we’re seeking an act of contrition. Some small acknowledgment that they have sinned and seek forgiveness for it, not simply welcoming them back into the fold while assuring them that their “best intentions” were understandable.

In theory, perhaps: in (political) reality, probably a pretty bad strategy.
The upcoming elections are a midterm: 435 local elections and 34 statewide ones: while approval/disapproval of the Administration is an unavoidable background to all of them, the last thing the Democrats need, as the default Opposition, is to turn off ANY potential voters. And - whatever one might think of the principle of the thing - demanding any sort of “contrition” from the electorate (outside of what votes they cast in the secrecy of the ballot-box) is probably a sure loser. I have a feeling enough Trump/Republican voters from the last election are suffering from “buyer’s remorse” to shift to a creditable Democrat in the next one. Doing anything - ANYTHING - to turn them off is likely to prove political suicide. And if means swallowing one’s snark and (however grudgingly) embracing the old “let’s look forward, not back” pitch (at least as far as a national strategy), so be it: we can mock the Trumpista fools later (post-impeachment?)….

ADD: but not to forget the apathetic/disinterested stay-at-homes, either: I do agree with the commenters above, that inspiring the non-voters will be a major component of a “blue wave” in November - we can only hope it makes the difference between a “blue wave” and a “blue tsunami”.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:11:09pm

Well, what do you know.

roof
ruːf/Submit
noun
plural noun: rooves

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Charmingly Persistent  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:11:59pm
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Amory Blaine  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:12:33pm

A purple thumb is preferable to a clean foot, but not a purple foot.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:12:44pm

Wow, turned on hotel tv to land upon Gregg Allman & Jackson Browne doing Melissa.

Kismet.

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:12:46pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

A corrigible dumbass who will go to the polls is more valuable than a well-meaning slug who won’t. I’ll take votes where we can get them.

Thank god (or someone) you got dragged out of the ovine flocks.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:12:59pm

in addition to the chickens horses cats and dogs our neighbor now has two sheep

they used to have goats and their chickens used to free range. they’d often escape to our house. as did their peacocks

waiting to see how clever are the sheep - will we find them up in a tree?

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Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:13:11pm

Considering the frequent gusts above 70, I’m surprised with the relative lack of damage.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:13:33pm

The Democrat who voted for Trump would be a good person to ask a whole lot of questions of, things like:

1. Why did you vote for Trump and what made you decide that was a mistake?
2. Why, when so many people - like every newspaper in the country - said he was bad, did you vote for him?
3. Is there anything that could have been said in 2016 that could have changed your mind?
4. Hillary said that. Why didn’t you listen?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:13:39pm

re: #65 Jay C

Well, when both these factors go against you, what can you do?

In theory, perhaps: in (political) reality, probably a pretty bad strategy.
The upcoming elections are a midterm: 435 local elections and 34 statewide ones: while approval/disapproval of the Administration is an unavoidable background to all of them, the last thing the Democrats need, as the default Opposition, is to turn off ANY potential voters. And - whatever one might think of the principle of the thing - demanding any sort of “contrition” from the electorate (outside of what votes they cast in the secrecy of the ballot-box) is probably a sure loser. I have a feeling enough Trump/Republican voters from the last election are suffering from “buyer’s remorse” to shift to a creditable Democrat in the next one. Doing anything - ANYTHING - to turn them off is likely to prove political suicide. And if means swallowing one’s snark and (however grudgingly) embracing the old “let’s look forward, not back” pitch (at least as far as a national strategy), so be it: we can mock the Trumpista fools later (post-impeachment?)….

Not sayin’ we should sell ourselves for those last 80,000 votes, but we could show a little skin.

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Skip Intro  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:13:44pm

re: #62 bill d. (b.d.)

Nice to see that FreeRepublic is running like a fine tuned WebTV

freerepublic.com

But that cutting edge website needs $352,000 in yearly donations to keep going?

So Soros finally got around to shutting down FR’s grifting operation.

About time.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:14:05pm

Hey music folks out there in LGF land. Are old 15” Electro Voice SROs still desired? I have two that were used as old PA speakers and parked since ‘92 or so. They may need reconed.

Same with some Kustom horn cabinets from the same PA.

Anyone interested or think I could still sell them maybe on Craig’s list or something?

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:14:16pm

Intrigued by dishes based on the nominated flicks.

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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:14:20pm

re: #47 nines09

That is props! Nice gesture! JBL laden Twins can disable the first 3 rows when used properly.
With a semi-hollow body with buckers?… hoo hoo…. and is that a freaking varitone on that?
Beauty, eh?

Exquisite. I told them my birthday was coming up, but they didn’t take the hint for some reason.

The crew do a pretty big-time Florida-based Beatles tribute, and they’ve got quite a collection of Fab gear, if you will. I spent Saturday afternoon playing about half of them and really took a liking to the 345, and they slipped it into the trailer and sprung it on me at the venue.

The Twin was just a beast. The Fly Rig let me push the front end enough to get the growl without decapitating the audience.

And yes, a Varitone. The 345 is stereo. All the jangle you could ever ask for.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:15:53pm

re: #70 wrenchwench

Thank god (or someone) you got dragged out of the ovine flocks.

Shifted metaphorically to streetwalking a couple comments ago.

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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:15:56pm

re: #46 nowherenorth2

I must ask what music you play my friend

I play all kinds of stuff. These shows were with a Neil Diamond tribute band. If ever there was an act guaranteed to go over in South Florida, this is it.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:16:51pm

re: #75 Skip Intro

So Soros finally got around to shutting down FR’s grifting operation.

About time.

Soros is making things not want to work with Windows96, that evil bastard.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:18:26pm

re: #71 dangerman

Your neighbors sound like fun people. We have wild rabbits and possums and squirrels and a few stray cats. That’s about it.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:18:29pm

re: #65 Jay C

And if means swallowing one’s snark and (however grudgingly) embracing the old “let’s look forward, not back” pitch (at least as far as a national strategy), so be it: we can mock the Trumpista fools later (post-impeachment?)….

plenty of mocking potential with the 25-35% that will stand by him

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:19:10pm

re: #65 Jay C

Well, when both these factors go against you, what can you do?

In theory, perhaps: in (political) reality, probably a pretty bad strategy.
The upcoming elections are a midterm: 435 local elections and 34 statewide ones: while approval/disapproval of the Administration is an unavoidable background to all of them, the last thing the Democrats need, as the default Opposition, is to turn off ANY potential voters. And - whatever one might think of the principle of the thing - demanding any sort of “contrition” from the electorate (outside of what votes they cast in the secrecy of the ballot-box) is probably a sure loser. I have a feeling enough Trump/Republican voters from the last election are suffering from “buyer’s remorse” to shift to a creditable Democrat in the next one. Doing anything - ANYTHING - to turn them off is likely to prove political suicide. And if means swallowing one’s snark and (however grudgingly) embracing the old “let’s look forward, not back” pitch (at least as far as a national strategy), so be it: we can mock the Trumpista fools later (post-impeachment?)….

But where does that leave us in 2 years when we’ve done nothing to address the wrong-headed thinking that gave us Trump? We gave these folks a pass after 2000, thinking that Gore was just a poor candidate and “buyers remorse” would win us 2004. But instead Dubya did just well enough that all those folks mumbling about how voting for him in 2000 was a bad idea were “willing to give him another chance” because they feared what would happen if went with the “surrender party.” In 2 years, Trump may be doing well enough in the polls that these folks right now expressing regret might just shrug their shoulders and vote for him again.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:20:06pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

Wow, turned on hotel tv to land upon Gregg Allman & Jackson Browne doing Melissa.

Kismet.

i swear to whoever/whatever i just played that on youtube this week after they dueted “These Days”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:20:57pm

re: #60 ObserverArt

I feel you.

Unfortunately, DirecTV NOW has no direct phone support, only a chat based team. I think that’s changing but I don’t know when.

The standard DirecTV reps, who do phone support for that service are pretty useless when it comes to DTV Now.

There aren’t many easy ways to escalate an issue with AT&T but I do know if you file a BBB or FCC complaint they have a special team that will contact you to try and work things out.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:21:00pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

We can insult them until they grow to like us.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:21:22pm

re: #62 bill d. (b.d.)

Nice to see that FreeRepublic is running like a fine tuned WebTV

freerepublic.com

But that cutting edge website needs $352,000 in yearly donations to keep going?

That’s what happens when you keep running your Commodore 64 on OS2…

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:21:27pm

If only the 4 year old girl had a gun to defend herself! Libtards and their fascist gun control laws! Only a good guy with a gun would have stoped this 8 year old from shooting his sister!

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:22:01pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

We can insult them until they grow to like us.

Or we can keep patting them on the head as they set the cat on fire. “You didn’t know no better…”

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:22:48pm

re: #62 bill d. (b.d.)

Thanks Obummer!!

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:22:57pm

re: #73 Belafon

The Democrat who voted for Trump would be a good person to ask a whole lot of questions of, things like:

1. Why did you vote for Trump and what made you decide that was a mistake?
2. Why, when so many people - like every newspaper in the country - said he was bad, did you vote for him?
3. Is there anything that could have been said in 2016 that could have changed your mind?
4. Hillary said that. Why didn’t you listen?

1. why did you vote for trump?
1a. how has your view of him changed

2. were you aware at the time that virtually every newspaper in the country endorsed clinton?

3 exactly as you wrote it

4. were you aware that hillary said that?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:23:26pm

Time for a music break with the original T-Connection!

T-CONNECTION. “At Midnight”. 1978. 12” Disco Version.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:25:11pm

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:25:21pm

I mean shit, we’re just now getting articles over a year in about the “buyers remorse” crowd after a year of “These folks in Trump country are still supporting him!” It might be worth asking what has changed that people are now feeling comfortable saying aloud they voted for Trump and regret doing so.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:25:54pm

re: #92 dangerman

1. why did you vote for trump?
1a. how has your view of him changed

2. were you aware at the time that virtually every newspaper in the country endorsed clinton?

3 exactly as you wrote it

4. were you aware that hillary said that?

Good variation. I’m totally of the opinion that we shouldn’t waste too much time trying to convert people, but I’m a scientist at heart, and think that any data collection on people like this would be useful. And I don’t think either set of questions lets them off the hook.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:27:12pm

3 years to go. That new car smell will be overpowered by the limburger on the muffler.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:28:01pm

re: #89 DodgerFan1988

If only the 4 year old girl had a gun to defend herself! Libtards and their fascist gun control laws! Only a good guy with a gun would have stoped this 8 year old from shooting his sister!

[Embedded content]

My niece turns 4 next week. This is the kind of story that makes me a supporter of gun control without apology. The mom should be arrested and I feel awful for the brother who will have to live the rest of his life knowing he killed his sister.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:29:13pm

re: #86 Eclectic Cyborg

I feel you.

Unfortunately, DirecTV NOW has no direct phone support, only a chat based team. I think that’s changing but I don’t know when.

The standard DirecTV reps, who do phone support for that service are pretty useless when it comes to DTV Now.

There aren’t many easy ways to escalate an issue with AT&T but I do know if you file a BBB or FCC complaint they have a special team that will contact you to try and work things out.

There were ATT reps working my neighborhood a couple days after I signed up for the Directv Now app. They gave me a phone number to ATT’s Retention of Customers Department. I asked them who do you call if you really have issues. I am glad I asked, as I had a feeling I would be needing it.

I will be calling them tomorrow and sending them PDFs of the online chats to let them know how screwed up a system they have for customer service. It will read like a Marx Brothers routine.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:29:41pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

I mean shit, we’re just now getting articles over a year in about the “buyers remorse” crowd after a year of “These folks in Trump country are still supporting him!” It might be worth asking what has changed that people are now feeling comfortable saying aloud they voted for Trump and regret doing so.

I’m just not into pitying them after they refused to listen to us and even belittled us about our concerns with Trump. I don’t want em to suffer but I don’t want to welcome them with open arms either and I especially don’t want them shaping what we stand for.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:30:16pm

re: #89 DodgerFan1988

If only the 4 year old girl had a gun to defend herself! Libtards and their fascist gun control laws! Only a good guy with a gun would have stoped this 8 year old from shooting his sister!

[Embedded content]

Jeebus…that’s old hometown area of Ohio.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:32:10pm

re: #82 Patricia Kayden

Your neighbors sound like fun people. We have wild rabbits and possums and squirrels and a few stray cats. That’s about it.

wild we have possums, 4 foot iguanas and right now an armadillo that is intent on digging holes under the entire foundation around the house

the roosters at 4am is a bit much. other than that i have no complaints

i have pictures of eggs in our flower beds next to the cactus, and goats on our lawn. they are way over 500k and i cant seem to shrink em

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:34:11pm

re: #102 dangerman

wild we have possums, 4 foot iguanas and right now an armadillo that is intent on digging holes under the entire foundation around the house

the roosters at 4am is a bit much. other than that i have no complaints

i have pictures of eggs in our flower beds next to the cactus, and goats on our lawn. they are way over 500k and i cant seem to shrink em

You can resize them in Windows Paint.

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:34:30pm

re: #93 Joe Bacon 🌹

Time for a music break with the original T-Connection!

[12” disco version]

Is that the small, medium, or large disco version?

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:34:40pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

A corrigible dumbass who will go to the polls is more valuable than a well-meaning slug who won’t. I’ll take votes where we can get them.

I won’t take them at the cost of having to absolve a corrigible dumbass of his wrongdoing and tell him that his unethical choices were totally understandable and appropriate. If he needs or expects that in order to get his vote, then his loyalty is unreliable and he will support any evil that panders to his ego and feelings, and he is not worth the time or compromises needed to flatter him. I don’t support vindictively targeting such a person, but I don’t believe that such a person is worth of any consideration or effort to secure his vote unless there is genuine contrition and willingness to contribute to the greater good.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:34:42pm

re: #86 Eclectic Cyborg

I feel you.

Unfortunately, DirecTV NOW has no direct phone support, only a chat based team. I think that’s changing but I don’t know when.

The standard DirecTV reps, who do phone support for that service are pretty useless when it comes to DTV Now.

There aren’t many easy ways to escalate an issue with AT&T but I do know if you file a BBB or FCC complaint they have a special team that will contact you to try and work things out.

is some of this prioritization because at&t owns directv now and not roku etc?
(not) net neutrality and all

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nines09  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:35:33pm

re: #78 makeitstop

BOOM.
Pushing that out of FOH had to be like riding lightning.
Kill me.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:35:36pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

I’m just not into pitying them after they refused to listen to us and even belittled us about our concerns with Trump. I don’t want em to suffer but I don’t want to welcome them with open arms either and I especially don’t want them shaping what we stand for.

I figure it’s like this: I don’t have time to waste trying to make them feel good. The only reason I would want to talk to them about it is to figure out how to keep them from doing it again. Otherwise, no, I’m not going to look back. Too much to do, too many things to read.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:35:51pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

We can insult them until they grow to like us.

Yea, I’m not going to tell my FiL and BiL they have to vote for Andy Barr in the midterms unless they apologize for voting for Trump.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:36:44pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

I’m just not into pitying them after they refused to listen to us and even belittled us about our concerns with Trump. I don’t want em to suffer but I don’t want to welcome them with open arms either and I especially don’t want them shaping what we stand for.

Nailed it.

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:37:07pm

re: #102 dangerman

they are way over 500k and i cant seem to shrink em

At first I thought you had half a million goats at your place.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:37:55pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

At first I thought you had half a million goats at your place.

Crazy goat lady?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:38:24pm

The basic problem we have is there aren’t enough people who A) think like us, and B) just plain think for us to reliably win.

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:38:45pm

Serious question: If those expressing “buyers remorse” are doing so for the wrong reason (i.e. public perception of Trump) rather than the right one (i.e. his policies/ideas are shit), then what really changes when Trump is gone? Nothing, they still believe their reasons for voting for him were right and will support the next guy who caters to them down the line. The difference is the next guy will not make Trump’s mistakes.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:38:56pm

re: #105 Renaissance_Man

I won’t take them at the cost of having to absolve a corrigible dumbass of his wrongdoing and tell him that his unethical choices were totally understandable and appropriate. If he needs or expects that in order to get his vote, then his loyalty is unreliable and he will support any evil that panders to his ego and feelings, and he is not worth the time or compromises needed to flatter him. I don’t support vindictively targeting such a person, but I don’t believe that such a person is worth of any consideration or effort to secure his vote unless there is genuine contrition and willingness to contribute to the greater good.

The Seventh Seal Procession

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Interesting Times  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:39:10pm

Hey everyone, put some plastic sheets down, because given the “how should we handle semi-repentant trump voters” discussion, your heads will asplode after reading this:

“I voted for him because it was about family and friends,” he said. “Nobody else was saying anything. Hillary Clinton was coming here blowing smoke up everybody’s ass. Hell, I wanted Bernie Sanders”—and he wasn’t the only one, obviously, as Sanders beat Clinton in the primaries in all 55 counties—“but once Bernie Sanders was screwed over by Hillary Clinton, by the way, you had no other option.”

He regrets his vote for Trump.

“Sure do,” he said.

Because?

“Because he hasn’t done shit,” he said. “It’s been a friggin’ circus for a solid year.”

Who said this, might you ask? Why, none other than the populist Democratic state senator who got this recent reception:

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:40:02pm

re: #89 DodgerFan1988

If only the 4 year old girl had a gun to defend herself! Libtards and their fascist gun control laws! Only a good guy with a gun would have stoped this 8 year old from shooting his sister!

[Embedded content]

or the central michigan university story

if i understand it:
dad was a cop
left his gun in the car
parents are in the dorm with their kid
kid goes to the car, gets the gun, comes back and kills both parents in the residence hall

obviously dad didnt properly control and secure his weapon

snarkily:
the only think that can stop a kid with his parent’s gun is his parents with other guns?

do parents need to carry backup weapons so they can take down junior?

we have left the silly place and are full in twisted and perverse thinking hell

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:40:04pm

re: #112 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Crazy goat lady?

My new nic is going to be Corrigible Dumbass. You can call me Corry.

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:40:50pm

re: #65 Jay C

Well, when both these factors go against you, what can you do?

In theory, perhaps: in (political) reality, probably a pretty bad strategy.
The upcoming elections are a midterm: 435 local elections and 34 statewide ones: while approval/disapproval of the Administration is an unavoidable background to all of them, the last thing the Democrats need, as the default Opposition, is to turn off ANY potential voters. And - whatever one might think of the principle of the thing - demanding any sort of “contrition” from the electorate (outside of what votes they cast in the secrecy of the ballot-box) is probably a sure loser. I have a feeling enough Trump/Republican voters from the last election are suffering from “buyer’s remorse” to shift to a creditable Democrat in the next one. Doing anything - ANYTHING - to turn them off is likely to prove political suicide. And if means swallowing one’s snark and (however grudgingly) embracing the old “let’s look forward, not back” pitch (at least as far as a national strategy), so be it: we can mock the Trumpista fools later (post-impeachment?)….

I don’t believe that there are actually a significant number of Trumpers feeling this buyer’s remorse. I don’t really see a ton of evidence of that. And I also don’t believe that not embracing them will be political suicide. Again, that goes to the fallacy of believing that theirs are the only opinions that matter, that they are the real swing voters.

No. A thousand times no. Elections in America are determined by getting more people out, and there are many times more people who do not vote than a tiny minority of white people who might switch their vote if they are coddled enough. While there is even a single nonvoter who hasn’t been gotten to the polls, any unrepentant Trumper is unworthy of even a moment of consideration.

They will not change their votes. They are a cult. Any strategy that tries to do so is doomed to failure.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:41:34pm

How about a big feature on people who vote for Hillary, and how they feel about their vote after a year + of Trump? I mean, there are more of us. About 3 Million more.

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Jay C  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:42:00pm

re: #97 Amory Blaine

3 years to go. That new car smell will be overpowered by the limburger on the muffler, the cylinder head, the ventilation ducts and jammed under the seats.

re: #84 Targetpractice

But where does that leave us in 2 years when we’ve done nothing to address the wrong-headed thinking that gave us Trump? We gave these folks a pass after 2000, thinking that Gore was just a poor candidate and “buyers remorse” would win us 2004. But instead Dubya did just well enough that all those folks mumbling about how voting for him in 2000 was a bad idea were “willing to give him another chance” because they feared what would happen if went with the “surrender party.” In 2 years, Trump may be doing well enough in the polls that these folks right now expressing regret might just shrug their shoulders and vote for him again.

True, but in 2004, the voting public (even if lukewarm on Dubya) had the (relatively) recent trauma of 9/11/01 and the illusory “victories” in Afghanistan and Iraq as a background theme, and an economy still in the “boom” phase (and an uninspiring, if qualified, Dem candidate).
And note that that “another chance” vote pretty much vanished by 2008. But do you really think Donald Trump, The Talking Yam is going to be able to “do well enough” - after two more years of scandals, turnovers, (probably) indictments/trials, counterproductive policies and general all-around incompetence to sway any but the hardcore “base” (all 27% of it) to support him for yet another craptastic term??

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:42:00pm

re: #116 Interesting Times

Hey everyone, put some plastic sheets down, because given the “how should we handle semi-repentant trump voters” discussion, your heads will asplode after reading this:

Who said this, might you ask? Why, none other than the populist Democratic state senator who got this recent reception:

[Embedded content]

It takes a lot of chutzpah to believe HRC was blowing smoke but Trump and Sanders weren’t. There is unfortunately an intersection between Trumpism and Sandersim that many of Bernie’s admirers don’t see.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:43:17pm

re: #96 Belafon

Good variation. I’m totally of the opinion that we shouldn’t waste too much time trying to convert people, but I’m a scientist at heart, and think that any data collection on people like this would be useful. And I don’t think either set of questions lets them off the hook.

agreed
i also think converting people is a waste of time
if theyve changed their own mind, yes, there’s an opportunity there to understand what happened without re-alienating them (if that’s the right word)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:43:19pm

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

How about a big feature on people who vote for Hillary, and how they feel about their vote after a year + of Trump? I mean, there are more of us. About 3 Million more.

To put things in perspective. There are several states smaller than 3 million. I don’t care that she won the PV due to Cali and NY, it’s all the same country.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:44:12pm

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

How about a big feature on people who vote for Hillary, and how they feel about their vote after a year + of Trump? I mean, there are more of us. About 3 Million more.

Wouldn’t that be awesome? I believe I’ve seen one mainstream article about Secretary Clinton supporters in Manhattan (or some other blue city) who were still anti-Trump. Just one article!! Can’t count how many articles have been written about the precious, hardcore, White Trump supporters though. Sigh.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:44:36pm

re: #104 wrenchwench

Is that the small, medium, or large disco version?

IIRC it’s the medium disco version because I remember a longer version going for 20 minutes.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:44:48pm

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

Wouldn’t that be awesome? I believe I’ve seen one mainstream article about Secretary Clinton supporters in Manhattan (or some other blue city) who were still anti-Trump. Just one article!! Can’t count how many articles have been written about the precious, hardcore, White Trump supporters though. Sigh.

It was Philadelphia I believe but yes.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:45:21pm

Nightfall in CST. Off to walk the dog.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:45:30pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

My niece turns 4 next week. This is the kind of story that makes me a supporter of gun control without apology. The mom should be arrested and I feel awful for the brother who will have to live the rest of his life knowing he killed his sister.

you all know how i feel

the story is unclear as to who’s gun it was. if mom didnt own it, then that person should also be in jail.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:47:11pm

re: #119 Renaissance_Man

I don’t believe that there are actually a significant number of Trumpers feeling this buyer’s remorse. I don’t really see a ton of evidence of that. And I also don’t believe that not embracing them will be political suicide. Again, that goes to the fallacy of believing that theirs are the only opinions that matter, that they are the real swing voters.

No. A thousand times no. Elections in America are determined by getting more people out, and there are many times more people who do not vote than a tiny minority of white people who might switch their vote if they are coddled enough. While there is even a single nonvoter who hasn’t been gotten to the polls, any unrepentant Trumper is unworthy of even a moment of consideration.

They will not change their votes. They are a cult. Any strategy that tries to do so is doomed to failure.

This is the flaw in the idea that the Democrats abandoned the WWC, and so enabled the rise of Trump. The only way we ‘abandoned’ the WWC was by supporting equality with white, straight, Christian males for everyone who ISN’T white, straight, Christian, or male. The only way to ‘win back’ the Trump supporters in the WWC is by being more racist than the GOP, which would mean abandoning everyone else in favor of white people.

There’s already a party for that. We don’t need two.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:47:17pm

re: #93 Joe Bacon 🌹

Time for a music break with the original T-Connection!

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disco is way more fun now than it was then

im guessing because it’s not obligatory, the only thing on the air, and only the “good” stuff survived

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:47:57pm

re: #126 Joe Bacon 🌹

IIRC it’s the medium disco version because I remember a longer version going for 20 minutes.

I think I could handle that.

My favorite bakery has two sizes of coffee. They call them small and large. I told them they should call them large and extra large. Then they asked me what size I want. I said large. They gave me extra large.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:48:54pm

re: #112 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Crazy goat lady?

er - dangerman

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:49:12pm

re: #129 dangerman

you all know how i feel

the story is unclear as to who’s gun it was. if mom didnt own it, then that person should also be in jail.

Agreed. Poor kid.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:51:11pm

re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

This is the flaw in the idea that the Democrats abandoned the WWC, and so enabled the rise of Trump. The only way we ‘abandoned’ the WWC was by supporting equality with white, straight, Christian males for everyone who ISN’T white, straight, Christian, or male. The only way to ‘win back’ the Trump supporters in the WWC is by being more racist than the GOP, which would mean abandoning everyone else in favor of white people.

There’s already a party for that. We don’t need two.

And to be honest I don’t want to be lectured by Bernie Sanders about the working class. Bernie’s not working class and honestly Vermont isn’t nearly as working class as he portrays it. A 21st century progressive movement should not be led by a mid seventies some who left the diversity of NYC for Vermont.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:53:31pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

I think I could handle that.

My favorite bakery has two sizes of coffee. They call them small and large. I told them they should call them large and extra large. Then they asked me what size I want. I said large. They gave me extra large.

i worked for a domino’s pizza in the 70’s
they had two size pizzas - medium and large

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:54:02pm

re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

This is the flaw in the idea that the Democrats abandoned the WWC, and so enabled the rise of Trump. The only way we ‘abandoned’ the WWC was by supporting equality with white, straight, Christian males for everyone who ISN’T white, straight, Christian, or male. The only way to ‘win back’ the Trump supporters in the WWC is by being more racist than the GOP, which would mean abandoning everyone else in favor of white people.

There’s already a party for that. We don’t need two.

I bet I can guess the exact type of Democratic voter, or Sanders supporter who said Hillary abandoned the White Working Class.

They were all White.

What does that tell you? And does that explain why so many went with Trump, or wasted votes with Stein or Johnson?

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The Major  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:55:37pm

re: #76 ObserverArt

I’d kill for 15” EV woofers - especially if I can get their Thiel-Small parameters….

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:56:23pm

If we abandoned the working class, you’d see inroads with the GOP with working class voters of color. You haven’t. In fact I bet working class PoC voted for HRC at a higher rate then six figure income people.

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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:56:25pm

re: #107 nines09

BOOM.
Pushing that out of FOH had to be like riding lightning.
Kill me.

I’m pretty sure that the keyboard player on my side of the stage hates my guts now. :)

But, damn. What dynamics. Whisper, scream, and everything in between.

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:57:07pm

re: #121 Jay C

True, but in 2004, the voting public (even if lukewarm on Dubya) had the (relatively) recent trauma of 9/11/01 and the illusory “victories” in Afghanistan and Iraq as a background theme, and an economy still in the “boom” phase (and an uninspiring, if qualified, Dem candidate).
And note that that “another chance” vote pretty much vanished by 2008. But do you really think Donald Trump, The Talking Yam is going to be able to “do well enough” - after two more years of scandals, turnovers, (probably) indictments/trials, counterproductive policies and general all-around incompetence to sway any but the hardcore “base” (all 27% of it) to support him for yet another craptastic term??

As I noted up above, if what’s driving this “buyers remorse” is public perception of Trump, then anything that might shift that into the positive territory for him could be the game-changer in 2020. As we’ve seen over the past year, he doesn’t need much for his poll numbers to edge upward, just a period of no negative news will do that. Or negative news for the DNC that takes the public’s attention away from him long enough for the public to forget why they don’t like him. Betting on people having a negative perception of him, of his own bad news killing his chances, is how we got a second Dubya term.

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Interesting Times  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:57:46pm

re: #119 Renaissance_Man

They will not change their votes. They are a cult. Any strategy that tries to do so is doomed to failure.

Normally I’d agree with you, but after reading the article about Richard Ojeda I linked to in my #116, I’m thinking there’s an opening after all, under some circumstances in some states. The Sanders-to-trump supporters who now regret that vote are indeed worth pursuing in the states where they’re the only ones who could make the difference between a win and a loss.

re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

The only way to ‘win back’ the Trump supporters in the WWC is by being more racist than the GOP, which would mean abandoning everyone else in favor of white people.

Again, there are some circumstances where that might not be true. To put it in a simplistic yet still accurate manner, consider the following:

1) trump voters who were motivated 60% by racism/bigotry, 40% by “economic anxiety”
2) Sanders-to-trump voters motivated by the flip side, 60% economic anxiety, 40% racism (or indifference to racism)

The second group is indeed winnable with a populist message tailored to what they care about (e.g. the Pennsylvania trump voter who said she’s “going back to her Democrats” because she realizes the GOPers will cut social security to pay for the tax cut. That right there is a perfect campaign ad for the Dems to run in districts filled with similar likely voters). And again, you don’t have to have anything in the least bit racist or pandering to racism in that message.

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:58:08pm

re: #136 dangerman

i worked for a domino’s pizza in the 70’s
they had two size pizzas - medium and large

The folks at the bakery sound annoyed when somebody asks for medium. I would say, ‘Would that be the 12 oz. medium, or the 16 oz. medium?

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 3:58:38pm

re: #138 The Major

I’d kill for 15” EV woofers - especially if I can get their Thiel-Small parameters….

These are the SRO type…with huge magnets on the back. They weight a ton.

I’m gonna try to drag them out of my attic and check their condition.

Would you be interested?

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BeachDem  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:01:48pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

We can insult them until they grow to like us.

Can we at least mock and insult them mercilessly behind their backs? Please?

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BeachDem  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:03:43pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

My niece turns 4 next week. This is the kind of story that makes me a supporter of gun control without apology. The mom should be arrested and I feel awful for the brother who will have to live the rest of his life knowing he killed his sister.

She didn’t die.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:04:03pm

re: #146 BeachDem

She didn’t die.

Oh okay. Phew.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:06:47pm

Anyhow one thing I notice is they accuse liberals of looking down on them but tbh I see plenty of disdain towards urban folks. Remember Brooks condescending article about the New Yorkers and the Italian deli. The constant implication that urban America isn’t “real America.” I’ve never lived urban and in fact live suburban-rural but I’d be lying to you if I said there wasn’t a culture of disdain towards city dwellers in this culture that at least goes back to the push for Prohibition.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:09:46pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

There’s definitely loads of contempt towards urbanites (who I assume they consider non-Whites). This is why they shout “Chicago” whenever gun reform is broached. They could care less about Chicago residents beyond being able to use them as a way to wiggle out of reforming gun laws.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:11:56pm

re: #149 Patricia Kayden

There’s definitely loads of contempt towards urbanites (who I assume they consider non-Whites). This is why they shout “Chicago” whenever gun reform is broached. They could care less about Chicago residents beyond being able to use them as a way to wiggle out of reforming gun laws.

Yes it’s definitely directed at PoC. And you are so right about Chicago.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:12:09pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:13:18pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Yes it’s definitely directed at PoC. And you are so right about Chicago.

Chicago crime isn’t really that bad. Its just a racist dog whistle.

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freetoken  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:15:15pm

re: #151 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The best way, I think for us, for Trumpism to die will be through embarrassed emptiness.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:15:23pm

re: #152 Big Beautiful Door

Chicago crime isn’t really that bad. Its just a racist dog whistle.

I know. And nor does it have the strictest gun laws in the country.

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:16:17pm

Thing is, I get it, we hate thinking the worst of those people we know or otherwise have positive impressions of being a Trump voter. We wanna entertain the idea that these folks all had “good intentions,” that their circumstances or those of people they themselves know made them ripe for a pied-piper like Trump to come along. But if all you do is pat them on the head and tell them that it’s okay, we don’t hold it against them, just so long as they vote against Trump next time…what has really changed? They didn’t come around to our thinking, they didn’t acknowledge that their “good intentions” were wrong, they just got a pass and will happily follow along the next piper who shows up.

If all you do when your child makes a mistake is pat them on the head and tell them that they “meant well,” then they’re likely going to keep making that mistake. Eventually it won’t become a mistake…it’ll become a habit, and those are far harder to break.

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Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:17:50pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Anyhow one thing I notice is they accuse liberals of looking down on them but tbh I see plenty of disdain towards urban folks. Remember Brooks condescending article about the New Yorkers and the Italian deli. The constant implication that urban America isn’t “real America.” I’ve never lived urban and in fact live suburban-rural but I’d be lying to you if I said there wasn’t a culture of disdain towards city dwellers in this culture that at least goes back to the push for Prohibition.

Welcome to not real Virginia!

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:20:28pm

re: #152 Big Beautiful Door

There does appear to be a lot of shootings in certain parts of Chicago but Republicans never acknowledge that many of the guns are smuggled in from states with laxer gun laws. I spent a week in downtown Chicago a couple of years ago and it was beautiful. It’s not nearly the hellhole that Republicans make it out to be.

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BeachDem  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:21:50pm
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Interesting Times  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:23:10pm

re: #158 BeachDem

Something something any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:23:33pm

re: #158 BeachDem

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Much like the CFPB and the EPA, the Trump objective is the opposite of their statutory mission.

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:26:11pm

Hell, in 2008, we had folks who swore up and down that Dubya was the worst president ever and they’d never make that mistake again…and then voted for Trump 8 years later. Why? Because Dubya’s sins were in the past and people had forgotten why his was such a train wreck of a presidency. Now we look back and actually marvel at how “good” he was compared to what we’re dealing with today. 8 years of Obama cleaning up his messes meant people couldn’t remember why they’d hated him so much. So when Trump comes along and promises he’ll “fix” all those things that Obama “broke” and return us to the “good ol’ days,” they have no reason not to fall in line behind him.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:27:29pm

re: #156 Varek Raith

Welcome to not real Virginia!

I live in Real Virginia, Dave LaRock turf but work in Jennifer Boysko turf. :)

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:28:17pm

re: #158 BeachDem

Trump isn’t even pretending to be doing anything to protect our votes from Russian hacking. He’s a horrible President but a great Puppet.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:30:27pm

re: #158 BeachDem

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Fuck.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:31:00pm

Meanwhile Italian politics is a mess with Silvio Berlusconi (the Italian Trump) making a comeback, but no-one getting a governing majority. The European establishment’s commitment to tight money, strangling economic recovery and leaving millions unemployed, combined with the immigration surge, has created fertile ground for extremists.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:31:10pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Fuck.

Did you expect anything else? Like Donald J. Trump is really going to authorize anything antagonistic toward the Russians?

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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:33:27pm

I came in late today. Did you guys see this? If so, what’s the deal? I’ve been absent for a few days.

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SteelPH  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:34:28pm

re: #167 makeitstop

I came in late today. Did you guys see this? If so, what’s the deal? I’ve been absent for a few days.

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He got two strikes on Youtube. One more and they’re booting his ass.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:34:33pm

re: #167 makeitstop

I came in late today. Did you guys see this? If so, what’s the deal? I’ve been absent for a few days.

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Youtube is cracking down. They already took Baked Alaska down.

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Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:34:41pm

re: #167 makeitstop

I came in late today. Did you guys see this? If so, what’s the deal? I’ve been absent for a few days.

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THAT’S TERRIBLE!…LY AWESOME!

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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:39:11pm

re: #168 SteelPH

Youtube is cracking down. They already took Baked Alaska down.

re: #169 Big Beautiful Door

He got two strikes on Youtube. One more and they’re booting his ass.

Well, I’ll be. ‘Bout time.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:39:39pm

re: #166 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Did you expect anything else? Like Donald J. Trump is really going to authorize anything antagonistic toward the Russians?

Yeah I’m not surprised. We just have to be even more vigilant against propaganda.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:44:46pm
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Slump-chan  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:44:50pm

re: #167 makeitstop

They also took down Mike Adams the Health Danger
(oops i meant Health Ranger…darn those typos)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:45:32pm

re: #158 BeachDem

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Did you expect Putin’s Sexy Rexy to do anything to upset his Master?

I didn’t.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:46:38pm
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Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:46:58pm

Check out naturalnews’s youtube
youtube.com

Oh wait!
HAHA!

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:48:57pm

re: #175 Joe Bacon 🌹

Did you expect Putin’s Sexy Rexy to do anything to upset his Master?

I didn’t.

Tillerson may be more tied to the Russians than Trump. The whole thing stinks.

I wonder, have we heard much about Tillerson and Mueller? Have they had the talk?

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:49:50pm

re: #178 ObserverArt

Tillerson may be more tied to the Russians than Trump. The whole thing stinks.

I wonder, have we heard much about Tillerson and Mueller? Have they had the talk?

Tilerson wasn’t involved with the Campaign and Isn’t close to Trump, so I expect not.

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:49:53pm

re: #176 Big Beautiful Door

Apparently Trump is now hoping to be made President for Life.

That rumbling you just heard was the Founding Fathers rolling in unison.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:50:27pm

re: #176 Big Beautiful Door

Apparently Trump is now hoping to be made President for Life.

We talked about that a bit last night.

If asked about it, I bet Sarah Huckabee Sanders says it was just a joke…we all take everything he says seriously.

Ha ha. Not laughing.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:51:33pm

re: #173 JordanRules

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Rudy. If you’re going to make a stupid fat joke, you shouldn’t do it with our fattest president since Taft.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:53:41pm

re: #179 Big Beautiful Door

Tilerson wasn’t involved with the Campaign and Isn’t close to Trump, so I expect not.

Well that stinks. I figured they would look at Tillerson since he is connected to Russia through Exxon and in the Trump White House.

I bet they do check it out though, especially if they see things like the story about his State Department doing zero about the election meddling, and for not pressing Trump on the sanctions. Something doesn’t smell right in all that.

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freetoken  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:54:23pm

I fear winter is coming to an end and we’re still short of rain. I was hoping this would be a wet year, but even though in my part of the county it has rained more than the previous several years, it’s been too little.

This has been a relatively warm winter, too. Only the past couple of weeks has the temp been down to what we’d consider normal, and now we’re going to warm up for the rest of the week.

Sure, it saves (a lot) on my heating bill, but for the sake of the loquats I’d prefer the rain storms.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:56:06pm

re: #184 freetoken

We’ve got 8-10” of snow coming tomorrow that I’d love to pass along.

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teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:56:38pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

The folks at the bakery sound annoyed when somebody asks for medium. I would say, ‘Would that be the 12 oz. medium, or the 16 oz. medium?

Getting a coffee in a truck stop in Tennessee, and the guy behind the counter asks “you want the 32 oz. or the large?”

“Golly, how big’s that large?”

“You’re gonna wanna pull your truck around back, I’mma start the pump.”

-Bill Hicks

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:56:45pm

re: #184 freetoken

Oh, and also: We had rain (with thunder and lightning), snow, sleet, and hail… all within the span of an hour this morning. Made for some extremely, err, entertaining driving conditions.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 4, 2018 • 4:58:58pm

Thread…….

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teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:05:25pm

re: #185 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Snowing here for the first time in about 10 days. It was 60° F yesterday at my house. It was over 50° F *at the ski area* until about 2:00 p.m. today. Temperature dropped 30° in less than an hour.

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freetoken  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:06:27pm

Tropical Cyclone Dumazile is grazing Madagascar right now.

The global water vapor map is too large to embed, so I made a link; it’s a large-ish cyclone easy to identify:

Image: mimictpw_global2_latest3_Mar2018_1701.gif

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teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:06:53pm

Looks like they had fun in Utah today.

Instagram

Everybody’s seen him from the lift, making the smoothest, most effortless turns on the mountain. Farmer Dave is an Alta icon and we’re psyched to feature him as Photo of the Day on this monster of a powder day.
Photo: @photojohnphoto
#powder #farmer #oldschool #ski

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:07:27pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

Snowing here for the first time in about 10 days. It was 60° F yesterday at my house. It was over 50° F *at the ski area* until about 2:00 p.m. today. Temperature dropped 30° in less than an hour.

It’s been above freezing all week. We melted about half of the snowpack off. Tomorrow will replenish it and then some, then we’re back to melting again.

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teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:08:44pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:10:27pm

re: #193 teleskiguy

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Lawn Darts are not a protected right in the U.S. Constitution.

They use that excuse for everything.

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ipsos  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:11:55pm

God help me, if i see one more RWNJ on FB posting a self-righteous rant about how they’re not watching the Oscars tonight because Hollywood liberal elitist hypocrites whatever…

Why I don’t just delete my FB account, I wonder sometimes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:12:13pm

re: #194 ObserverArt

Lawn Darts are not a protected right in the U.S. Constitution.

They use that excuse for everything.

I HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO SHOOT AT WHOMEVER I WANT, BECAUSE SECOND AMENDMENT

Just wait for it. They’ll say it eventually, if we let it get that far.

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:14:36pm

re: #195 ipsos

I have no interest in watching, but the mrs controls the remote… so it’s on as background noise.

Guess that means I can go ahead and snark watch….

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:16:58pm

re: #196 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO SHOOT AT WHOMEVER I WANT, BECAUSE SECOND AMENDMENT

Just wait for it. They’ll say it eventually, if we let it get that far.

Well the Florida Stand Your Ground Law sure did seem to allow just that in the Trayvon Martin mess.

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Interesting Times  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:17:40pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:18:43pm

BWAHAHA!

I’ve seen semi drivers do this, put chains on the wrong wheels.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:21:05pm

re: #195 ipsos

God help me, if i see one more RWNJ on FB posting a self-righteous rant about how they’re not watching the Oscars tonight because Hollywood liberal elitist hypocrites whatever…

Why I don’t just delete my FB account, I wonder sometimes.

Keep your FB account and block the RWNJs.

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teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:22:21pm

I think I might go to Utah for my days off mid-week.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:23:53pm

re: #202 teleskiguy

I’d say come up here (with the fresh snowfall), but the post-snowpocalypse warm temperatures and the lack of any noticeable slope of magnitude in the entire wild north country are undoubtedly strikes against us.

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teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:26:05pm

re: #203 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yeah. Minnesota doesn’t have an aerial tram that takes you up 3,000 feet in eight minutes like Snowbird does.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:27:51pm

re: #204 teleskiguy

Yeah. Minnesota doesn’t have an aerial tram that takes you up 3,000 feet in eight minutes like Snowbird does.

The highest point in Minnesota clocks in at a walloping 2,301 feet, so yeah. Not getting any altitude up here. It’s mostly about cold air and a decent (on average) snowpack.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:29:13pm

Oof. Plenty to disagree with but hard hitting… Cell phone are driving up fatality rates despite more safety features than ever.
From a car blog, The Drive

Here an icepick of truth for you:
Since 1968, 1,530,000 Americans have been killed by guns.
Since 1968, 2,130,000 Americans have been killed by/in cars.
There is no Second Amendment protecting the right to drive a car. Driving is a privilege, not a right. There is nothing preventing us from personally acting on or regulating away the overwhelming majority of road fatalities away, today.
Where are the politicians and regulators fighting to improve road safety in a serious way? They don’t exist. What is the NRA’s position on improving road safety? Nonexistent. What about the gun control camp? Nada.
What a bunch of hypocrites. You need a poncho to hide from the Niagara Falls of blood, sweat and tears shed around the gun debate, but Skip Barber Racing School still had to file for bankruptcy.
Skip Barber’s one-day “Teen Safety And Survival” school costs $995.

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teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:32:08pm

re: #205 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The highest point in Minnesota clocks in at a walloping 2,301 feet, so yeah. Not getting any altitude up here. It’s mostly about cold air and a decent (on average) snowpack).

The ski area I work at has a vertical drop of about 2,000 feet. So if you plopped the ski area down onto a sea level plane it would only be about 300 feet short of the highest point in Minnesota. The nearest town from the base of the ski area, 10 miles distant, is 2,100 feet lower.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:32:34pm

re: #206 Unshaken Defiance

Oof. Plenty to disagree with but hard hitting… Cell phone are driving up fatality rates despite more safety features than ever.
From a car blog, The Drive

And this despite the proliferation of “hands-free” laws in states across the country, which forbid even holding your phone in your hand while driving. Of course, those of you who know me know I am an avid fan of the Mythbusters, and they pretty clearly demonstrated that distracted driving is distracted driving, no matter whether the phone is in the hand or connected via Bluetooth.

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BeachDem  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:41:38pm

Dana’s Oscar Night not getting off to a great start:

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:43:15pm

re: #209 BeachDem

Mr Williams is correct.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:43:48pm

re: #209 BeachDem

Dana’s Oscar Night not getting off to a great start:

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Yawn.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:43:55pm

re: #209 BeachDem

Dana’s Oscar Night not getting off to a great start:

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Yes Montell!!! I have no idea who Dana thinks is afraid of her. So bizarre. And what do athletes protesting police abuse have to do with the NRA?

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teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:45:06pm

re: #209 BeachDem

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:45:19pm

re: #197 lawhawk

I have no interest in watching, but the mrs controls the remote… so it’s on as background noise.

Guess that means I can go ahead and snark watch….

Ditto

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:46:21pm

I guess I was lucky. My dad sent me to a real driving school. Bob Bondurant I think. It was an advanced course, how to drive out of emergencies like debris on the freeway at speed. Or a skid, black ice etc. Maybe he slept better when I went out in the rain. Grandpa was a hunter, so before I got a .22 bolt action gun I had to pass an NRA hunter safety course. Parents had a small plane on a “lease back” deal with a school. So I took the FAA test and flew as a student when I could. All of these things are not for the irresponsible. The sum of all that was I learned that education and training made fun, dangerous if abused activity accessible. Safe enough.

But am I the only guy that hates back up cameras because they make you look the wrong way to back up?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:46:38pm

re: #212 Patricia Kayden

Yes Montell!!! I have no idea who Dana thinks is afraid of her. So bizarre. And what do athletes protesting police abuse have to do with the NRA?

Nothing. Dana is just two faced.

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BeachDem  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:47:16pm

So glad to see Mary J. Blige getting such positive recognition. She’s had some rough times.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:47:52pm

No matter how hard Dana tries, her siren sounds won’t drown out the screams of the kids killed at Parkland!

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teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:49:08pm

re: #213 teleskiguy

It’s ostensibly a promo for a TV show. It’s also blatant incitement to violence.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:49:24pm

re: #217 BeachDem

So glad to see Mary J. Blige getting such positive recognition. She’s had some rough times.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:50:33pm

I’m happy for Sam Rockwell. Great actor.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:51:05pm

re: #219 teleskiguy

It’s ostensibly a promo for a TV show. It’s also blatant incitement to violence.

Why didn’t CNN ask her about this foolishness when she was on the panel with the Parkland students? She’s a bully and needs to be called out as such.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:51:58pm

Dana is an actress too. Look how dramatic she can be.

By the way, only NRA people have Constitutional rights the way they sell it.

What happened to the very simple basic human and God-given right to live for all the rest of us, to be away from the threat of those guns?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:53:04pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

I’m happy for Sam Rockwell. Great actor.

His speech was cute as well — especially about his father’s sneaky way of getting him out of school early to watch a movie. Lol..

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:53:52pm

re: #215 Unshaken Defiance

Yeah, it’s not natural. However, it does have its uses - to make sure you get close/far enough from obstructions and you can get your distance down where you want it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:54:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:54:26pm

re: #224 Patricia Kayden

His speech was cute as well — especially about his father’s sneaky way of getting him out of school early to watch a movie. Lol..

I’ve been a fan of his ever since he played Billy the Kid in the Green Mile. He’s wonderfully versatile which showed in the role he won tonight..

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teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:55:19pm

re: #226 Joe Bacon 🌹

Very questionable taste. Won’t downding, but you deserve them if you get them.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:56:17pm

You know I’d be shocked if Dana even knows how to shoot the guns she loves to pose for and blab about.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:56:51pm

You can’t tell me that the NRA isn’t following the FNC model of using an attractive woman to sell their talking points.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:56:58pm

re: #215 Unshaken Defiance

I guess I was lucky. My dad sent me to a real driving school. Bob Bondurant I think. It was an advanced course, how to drive out of emergencies like debris on the freeway at speed. Or a skid, black ice etc. Maybe he slept better when I went out in the rain. Grandpa was a hunter, so before I got a .22 bolt action gun I had to pass an NRA hunter safety course. Parents had a small plane on a “lease back” deal with a school. So I took the FAA test and flew as a student when I could. All of these things are not for the irresponsible. The sum of all that was I learned that education and training made fun, dangerous if abused activity accessible. Safe enough.

But am I the only guy that hates back up cameras because they make you look the wrong way to back up?

I never use the camera i always turn my head

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The Major  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:58:03pm

re: #144 ObserverArt

Would you be interested?

Oh hell yes….EV makes damn fine raw speakers. I still have my T-35’s from 40 years ago…

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The Major  Mar 4, 2018 • 5:59:55pm

re: #226 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:00:43pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

I’ve been a fan of his ever since he played Billy the Kid in the Green Mile. He’s wonderfully versatile which showed in the role he won tonight..

He was great in “Moon”. He was pretty much by himself for most of that film but pulled off an emotional performance.

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Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:00:48pm

Oy.

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Jay C  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:01:21pm

re: #213 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Also, who, exactly appointed Dana Loesch Official Arbiter Of The Meaning Of The Flag?
And thought, btw, that holding that hourglass would look any ways other than buffoonishly overdramatic?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:01:30pm

re: #234 Patricia Kayden

He was great in “Moon”. He was pretty much by himself for most of that film but pulled off an emotional performance.

Never saw that but I’ll look for it.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:02:18pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

A solid sci-fi flick.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:02:19pm

Dana showed how hollow her organization is about gun rights when they blamed Castile for his death because he had marijuana on him. Dana doesn’t give a damn about gun rights. She cares about the gun industry makign as much as it can.

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Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:02:35pm

re: #226 Joe Bacon 🌹

re: #233 The Major

Knock it off.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:02:41pm

re: #228 teleskiguy

Very questionable taste. Won’t downding, but you deserve them if you get them.

Really? It wouldn’t be what I’d say but I don’t understand.

Compared to the crap she spews, you have trouble with her in a bikini with an AR15? How many images like that already exist, not of Dana per say, but it is a very common gun nut image theme?

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teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:02:57pm

re: #236 Jay C

Also, who, exactly appointed Dana Loesch Official Arbiter Of The Meaning Of The Flag?

Are you blind? She was appointed by the one true Judeo-Christian God who wrote the sacred holy Second Amendment writ ultimate.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:03:04pm

re: #238 Patricia Kayden

A solid sci-fi flick.

Cool deal. I liked him in The Way, Way Back.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:03:34pm

re: #232 The Major

Oh hell yes….EV makes damn fine raw speakers. I still have my T-35’s from 40 years ago…

I’ll see if I can get them tested and let you know the status.

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ipsos  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:03:36pm

re: #233 The Major

I’m pretty sure my least favorite LGF is “Twitter insults at RWNJ tweeters” LGF.

Just saying.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:06:03pm

re: #236 Jay C

Also, who, exactly appointed Dana Loesch Official Arbiter Of The Meaning Of The Flag?
And thought, btw, that holding that hourglass would look any ways other than buffoonishly overdramatic?

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BeachDem  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:06:23pm

re: #220 Patricia Kayden

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:10:27pm

re: #235 Varek Raith

Oy.

Kids these days, am I right?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:12:47pm
250
Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:16:50pm

re: #249 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Luckily, no State Department employees are available to translate.

//

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Amory Blaine  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:17:42pm

re: #236 Jay C

Also, who, exactly appointed Dana Loesch Official Arbiter Of The Meaning Of The Flag?
And thought, btw, that holding that hourglass would look any ways other than buffoonishly overdramatic?

You don’t want to see her pull out her abacus.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:21:27pm
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Dave In Austin  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:21:57pm
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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:23:01pm

re: #253 Dave In Austin

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I’ve read those magazines, for the articles.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:23:44pm

re: #253 Dave In Austin

Had some fun there but leaving it on Twitter.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:27:58pm

re: #253 Dave In Austin

*WHACK!*

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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:40:06pm

The responses to Loesch’s tweet are brutal.

Dana’s drama isn’t selling. Her NRA paymasters will not be pleased.

The Parkland kids are way more effective, and nowhere near as bitter.

Loesch wanted to be a Hollywood elite, and you can tell it bothers the fuck out of her.

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teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:40:21pm

*sigh*

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:42:26pm

I’ve been looking at RWNJ rants on my FB page. There is considerable wailing and gnashing of teeth over imminent gun seizure. Some make dark threats about the consequences, others call outright for insurrection. The more practical discuss ways to hide their guns, like sealing them in PVC pipe and sinking it in the local mudhole.
What’s interesting is that none of these clods seem to doubt that their man Trump could double-cross them and start grabbing guns instead of, well, you know. This shows pretty conclusively that they knew he was a rat and a snake when they voted for him, and they voted for him anyway.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:43:41pm

re: #257 makeitstop

The responses to Loesch’s tweet are brutal.

Dana’s drama isn’t selling. Her NRA paymasters will not be pleased.

The Parkland kids are way more effective, and nowhere near as bitter.

Loesch wanted to be a Hollywood elite, and you can tell it bothers the fuck out of her.

Dana will be fired before too long…

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:44:09pm

re: #247 BeachDem

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:45:08pm

re: #259 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’vee been looking at RWNJ rants on my FB page. There is considerable wailing and gnashing of teeth over imminent gun seizure. Some make dark threats about the consequences, others call outright for insurrection. The more practical discuss ways to hide their guns, like sealing them in PVC pipe and sinking it in the local mudhole.
What’s interesting is that none of these clods seem to doubt that their man Trump could double-cross them and start grabbing guns instead of, well, you know. This shows pretty conclusively that they knew he was a rat and a snake when they voted for him, and they voted for him anyway.

Cause yeah the feds are going to go door to door…

Morans

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:46:05pm

Beautiful drone footage of Venice after a snowstorm!

Venice in the snow: drone footage shows off city’s beautiful white carpet

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:46:18pm

re: #259 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Please encourage them to sink their guns into mud holes or hide them in PVC pipes. That works for me. The world would be better off if more folks hide their weapons.

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dangerman  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:48:07pm

re: #264 Patricia Kayden

Please encourage them to sink their guns into mud holes or hide them in PVC pipes. That works for me. The world would be better off if more folks hide their weapons.

Safely and securely

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:51:27pm

re: #263 Joe Bacon 🌹

Beautiful drone footage of Venice after a snowstorm!

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All those Venetians, Dogeing snowflakes.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:53:06pm

re: #249 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

As someone suggested, that seems like a good tweet to report.

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BeachDem  Mar 4, 2018 • 6:54:33pm

re: #261 Patricia Kayden

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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2018 • 7:06:26pm

re: #260 bill d. (b.d.)

Dana will be fired before too long…

I said so after the Town Hall, when Emma Gonzalez took her to school.

She’s definitely not convincing the unconvinced, which is what a spokesperson is supposed to do.

She’s just not very good at her job.

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terraincognita  Mar 5, 2018 • 4:54:32am

re: #249 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It reads so much better in the original Russian.


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