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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 11:52:25am

ICE lawyer forges court document. How low will this administration go?

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austin_blue  Aug 17, 2018 • 11:54:49am

Rumor has it that the jury is returning to the courtroom in the Manafort trial.

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gocart mozart  Aug 17, 2018 • 11:56:23am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2018 • 11:56:43am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 11:56:45am

I read that China is sending a lunar lander to the far side of the moon next year, and all I could think of was the line from Pink Floyd, but adjusted to the situation:

“There is no Far Side of the Moon, really. Matter of fact, it’s ALL far.”

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gocart mozart  Aug 17, 2018 • 11:57:31am
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stpaulbear  Aug 17, 2018 • 11:57:35am

re: #2 austin_blue

Rumor has it that the jury is returning to the courtroom in the Manafort trial.

I have a bad feeling about this…

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:00:14pm

re: #3 gocart mozart

That dog or any other dog will do, tbh. They certainly would have more empathy than the Orange Bigot in the White House who only cares about himself.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:01:46pm

re: #7 stpaulbear

It’s my understanding that even if this case is lost by prosecutors, there are other charges that will be filed against him and he’ll face additional trials. He’s not off the hook as yet.

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austin_blue  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:01:56pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Well, shit. No Conviction Friday, then.

(sigh)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:08:37pm
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Belafon  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:12:30pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m a pretty senior software engineer, and I start every book I by on development at the preface, and read every chapter even if I have a good general grasp for the same reason.

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:13:34pm

Street construction outside has begun to shake the whole building.
A voice from out in the studio: “Feel free to turn the bass down just a hair.”

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makeitstop  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:17:29pm

Hello, Lizards!

We just rolled in from the airport around 15 minutes ago, so howdy from the good ol’ USSA.

Brussels was beautiful. By the end of the week, we were seriously talking about how we could move to Belgium. But now that we’re back here, reality may take over again.

Some kitty problems last night - our house sitter called last night because one of the younger cats mixed it up with Trixie and opened up a big cut under her left eye. After exchanging multiple emails with the vet to guarantee their payment, we got her to the emergency vet. The vet says the eye will survive, but they’re keeping her under observation until at least 8:00.

Despite intense interrogation, neither of the young cats is owning up. There’s a consensus between myself, my wife and the house sitter that it was probably Spock. But kitty omerta is in effect so we’ll never know for sure.

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wrenchwench  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:20:29pm

re: #14 makeitstop

kitty omerta

Meowmerta.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:30:17pm
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dangerman  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:32:56pm

re: #3 gocart mozart

RT if you’d rather Bear, this 10-yr-old Weimaraner with a thyroid condition who sits like a person, to be President of the United States

no doubt he could bark out orders better than the present bozo

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:33:04pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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What the fuck is wrong with Corey Stewart? Does he figure he’s going to lose so badly that nothing matters?

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MsJ  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:33:38pm
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MsJ  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:34:01pm

re: #18 Blind Frog Belly White

What the fuck is wrong with Corey Stewart?

He’s Republican.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:34:34pm

We went from a classy Black President to a crass Orange one.
Sigh.

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:35:18pm

re: #18 Blind Frog Belly White

What the fuck is wrong with Corey Stewart? Does he figure he’s going to lose so badly that nothing matters?

Trump tells them the Big Lie works.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:35:44pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Stewart is desperate. He has fallen way behind Kaine. I guess running as pro-slavery and anti-Black just isn’t a winning ticket in a multicultural, diverse state like Virginia.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:36:46pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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Kragar  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:36:56pm
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MsJ  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:37:03pm

She’s 60. 60! I’ve never in my life looked this good in a bikini.

popsugar.com

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dangerman  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:37:04pm

re: #21 Patricia Kayden

We went from a classy Black President to a crass Orange one.
Sigh.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:39:18pm

re: #26 MsJ

She’s 60. 60! I’ve never in my life looked this good in a bikini.

popsugar.com

I’m 60 and I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t look that good in a bikini, either.

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Jay C  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:39:25pm

re: #22 jaunte

re: #18 Blind Frog Belly White

What the fuck is wrong with Corey Stewart? Does he figure he’s going to lose so badly that nothing matters?

Trump tells them the Big Lie works.

That may be, but… Tim Kaine and Stalin?? SRSLY?

The Big Lie might work, but the Big Stupid Photoshop Joke ??

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Teddy's Person  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:39:40pm

re: #3 gocart mozart

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I welcome the day when our official national motto becomes - Rub My BELLY!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:40:25pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:41:05pm

re: #31 Teddy’s Person

I welcome the day when our official national motto becomes - Rub My BELLY!

OMG, Dory LOVES the belly rubs! This morning I was doing twohanded belly rubs on Rango and Dory, while Rango complained to me about Dory chewing on toys too close to his bed.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:42:52pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:43:01pm

Count on William F Buckley’s ‘Racism for Country Club Republicans’ rag to find a way to fuck up a tribute.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:44:34pm
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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:45:55pm

re: #26 MsJ

She’s 60. 60! I’ve never in my life looked this good in a bikini.

popsugar.com

That is breaking the internet!
*side-eyes Kim K and adjusts my petty*

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:46:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:46:29pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:47:11pm

re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White

Linda Ronstadt and Kelly Clarkson would probably sniff at that ridiculous write-up. Neither of them are as impactful or as successful artists as Queen Aretha. Some people just don’t know how to write a tribute without trying to throw shade.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:47:14pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:47:15pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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I don’t. Russian bots would have a field day with that shit.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:47:49pm
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Kragar  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:48:41pm
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Sir John Barron  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:49:50pm

re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White

Count on William F Buckley’s ‘Racism for Country Club Republicans’ rag to find a way to fuck up a tribute.

Not The Onion?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:50:21pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

I kinda wish Donald Trump would discover Twitter’s poll feature.
3:46 PM - Aug 17, 2018

It’s a certainty that he would use that feature to make decisions about and implement his policies.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:52:30pm

re: #43 JordanRules

Satire? That can’t be for real. I hope someone is there to heckle her.

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Teddy's Person  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:54:28pm

re: #43 JordanRules

Advanced copies of her speech, “Pro Tips My Husband Taught Me”, will be available to the press by the end of business today.

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gocart mozart  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:56:30pm
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MsJ  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:56:52pm
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Kragar  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:57:59pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 17, 2018 • 12:58:54pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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Sir John Barron  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:00:03pm

re: #43 JordanRules

By cyberbullying I think she means people who say mean things in response to DJT’s insults.

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gocart mozart  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:01:10pm
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MsJ  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:02:28pm

re: #37 JordanRules

That is breaking the internet!
*side-eyes Kim K and adjusts my petty*

Kim K. looks like an ancient Earth goddess statue. I don’t find her especially attractive. And while she has business sense, she’s dumb as a stump and I find that an ugly look.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:02:50pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:03:06pm

re: #51 Kragar

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MsJ  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:04:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:06:14pm
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Dave In Austin  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:06:59pm
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sagehen  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:09:14pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:09:21pm
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Single-handed sailor  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:09:35pm

Who to believe?

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:10:17pm
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MsJ  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:16:29pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:17:51pm

Yay. The electrician called this morning; he will come to my house Wednesday to begin working on restoring our electricity. (He noted that he cancelled two jobs to start ours … it turns out they were hemming and hawing on paying him, and when we showed up at his house to put down a deposit on this job and pay him for his work while we were in Yukon that sealed the deal for him.)

Double yay. The county Democratic Party just called and invited my wife and me to go to the county meeting Tuesday night … they are strategizing on how to win local elections in the county. I am the only Democrat in office here, and my wife was just appointed to our village planning commission, I guess they want our input.

re: #483 Dr. Matt

The “Catholic League” is a bullshit org. It’s nothing more Bill Donohue and a couple staffers. It has no real standing in the Catholic Church and most Catholics do not even know it exists (coming from a Catholic family).

The Catholic League may be a BS organisation, and Donohue a troglodyte, but even Pope Francis said the Church had no comment on the revelations in Pennsylvania. The Pope is in a position to crush this kind of behaviour, and instead punted.

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gocart mozart  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:19:47pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:20:01pm

re: #59 MsJ

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:22:01pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:22:17pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

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calochortus  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:23:24pm

re: #71 Joe Bacon 🌹

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An insult to reptiles.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:30:54pm

re: #71 Joe Bacon 🌹

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:33:50pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:33:51pm

re: #551 William Lewis

That could be the best movie since Roger Rabbit.

This one will be worth driving 150 miles to see in a theatre. It on our “to do” calendar now.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:41:27pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:44:14pm

LOL the county Democratic Party just called again. The same fellow making the calls was just going down the list, and he was calling for my wife to ask if she wanted to attend the meeting Tuesday night.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:46:08pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:59:27pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 1:59:47pm

Not sure if this will make any difference but it’s a good way to get Senator Collins’ attention.

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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:01:40pm

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

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“I’m just not political…except when it involves my taxes, my Medicare/Social Security, or relief aid for my area. Then I’m totally political. It’s the rest of the country I don’t give a fuck about.”

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Chrysicat  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:01:47pm
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jaunte  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:03:47pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:08:04pm

re: #82 Chrysicat

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Next, they should do the one where the hero goes back in time and fucks his mother, after fucking his twin daughters (well, female clones of him, really)*, and see if he still thinks Heinlein had good ideas.

*To be fair, Heinlein was having a lot of fun examining taboos, especially incest taboos, and how they would be affected by essentially unlimited lifespans, not to mention completely reliable contraception.

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Teukka  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:13:14pm
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Single-handed sailor  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:16:34pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:16:46pm

re: #82 Chrysicat

I’m very sorry, but no, I would NOT “like to know more”. Limiting the franchise to those who previously had to carry out orders is not a good way to go about things. Even if it would have prevented Trump’s rise, [Ayn]Rand Paul and Cruz would have still been eligible&near as bad.

I’m not a big fan of Heinlein’s idea either. Aside from the fact it is a fiction story (a wonderful way to run government is from fiction stories), that would mean military veterans would be the only persons making determinations about government for all.

That is not a democracy. That is in effect a military dictatorship.

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wrenchwench  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:22:41pm

re: #86 Single-handed sailor

[ this is like the 9th NYT Dems In Disarray article this summer ]

The NYT is in disarray.

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austin_blue  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:23:27pm

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not a big fan of Heinlein’s idea either. Aside from the fact it is a fiction story (a wonderful way to run government is from fiction stories), that would mean military veterans would be the only persons making determinations about government for all.

That is not a democracy. That is in effect a military dictatorship.

Lots of countries have mandatory military service, Israel, for example. They seem to muddle through.

They aren’t military dictatorships. Heinlein said later in life that he was talking about citizens having skin in the game before they could vote. It’s a valid point.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:23:42pm

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not a big fan of Heinlein’s idea either. Aside from the fact it is a fiction story (a wonderful way to run government is from fiction stories), that would mean military veterans would be the only persons making determinations about government for all.

That is not a democracy. That is in effect a military dictatorship.

The book actually makes a point about that. Heinlein didn’t actually say that was the ultimate type of government. As the teacher pointed out, the only reason their form of government had succeeded was that it had not failed. There wasn’t some grandios “this is the best form of government.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:24:18pm

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not a big fan of Heinlein’s idea either. Aside from the fact it is a fiction story (a wonderful way to run government is from fiction stories), that would mean military veterans would be the only persons making determinations about government for all.

That is not a democracy. That is in effect a military dictatorship.

I don’t see the book so much as advocating that style of government as much as the author describing a future after which WWIII ended with the warring governments collapsing and soldiers and POWs left stranded wherever they were.

That ended the idea of national governments and created complete chaos, military and POW units established the only functional order in place and things just developed from there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:24:55pm

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹

It’s worth noting that, at the time Heinlein was writing, the US had been at war only 7 years previous, and WWII only ended 14 years prior. The draft was still going, and most folks figured we’d probably be at war again soon. Today, almost 60 years later, after decades of very limited war, the percentage of the population that has served is much smaller, and indeed there’s been no need for mass conscription for 45 years.

And he was writing in the middle of the Cold War, as the US and USSR were building more and bigger nukes, and we were blowing up entire Pacific atolls to demonstrate their capabilities.

Very different time.

Still a dumb idea.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:25:42pm

re: #90 austin_blue

Lots of countries have mandatory military service, Israel, for example. They seem to muddle through.

They aren’t military dictatorships. Heinlein said later in life that he was talking about citizens having skin in the game before they could vote. It’s a valid point.

Yeah, he did mention that you could be in other positions. It’s worth remembering that the world the book is set in is responding to the threat of annihilation, so of course being in the military was pretty much where able bodied people went.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:32:25pm

Heinlein was in the Navy in peacetime, between WWI and WWII, so although he had military training he never served in combat. Contrast his writing on war and such with Joe Haldeman, who served and was wounded in Vietnam. Haldeman has a much more jaundiced view of the military.

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mmmirele  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:32:27pm

re: #65 jaunte

Some of us here (like me, the 10 year old reader of the evening paper) were well aware of the controversy Richard Nixon stoked in August 1970 when he said the Manson Family was guilty. Back then, it was in the news for days. Today, those tweets are going to sink like a stone.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:34:35pm

re: #96 mmmirele

Some of us here (like me, the 10 year old reader of the evening paper) were well aware of the controversy Richard Nixon stoked in August 1970 when he said the Manson Family was guilty. Back then, it was in the news for days. Today, those tweets are going to sink like a stone.

Everything sinks like a stone these days. Nothing stays in the news for more than a couple weeks. The Parkland students have been out there beating the drum for gun safety, and for all that they had EVERYONE’S attention for weeks, they’ve already reached “Where Are They Now” status.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:36:06pm

re: #68 gocart mozart

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:42:14pm
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Teddy's Person  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:45:22pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

That particular human-like being has absolutely no redeeming qualities.

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wrenchwench  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:49:44pm

Sometimes I find a thread about a thing I was just talking about last night.

Specifically, I was talking about why the suicide rate for men always tops that of women. There are many reasons, of course, but this thread gets at what I think is a basis.

I love the line ‘Boys are not born patriarchal.’

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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:50:15pm

re: #94 Belafon

Yeah, he did mention that you could be in other positions. It’s worth remembering that the world the book is set in is responding to the threat of annihilation, so of course being in the military was pretty much where able bodied people went.

That’s how you can tell those who read the book vs. those who watched the (satirical) film. In the novel, federal service was not simply serving in the military, it could be any task for which the state felt you were suitably fit. You could end serving your term of federal service as a file clerk and still become a citizen.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:53:52pm

re: #90 austin_blue

Lots of countries have mandatory military service, Israel, for example. They seem to muddle through.

They aren’t military dictatorships. Heinlein said later in life that he was talking about citizens having skin in the game before they could vote. It’s a valid point.

People in those countries who have not been in the military still have the right to vote.

“Skin in the game” is an empty argument. Everyone pays taxes (or tries to evade them) so everyone has “skin in the game.” Separating veterans out and saying “only this group has served its country, so only this group should determine its future” leaves out all those who serve their country in other ways besides pointing a gun at whoever the government tells them to: Teachers, doctors, lawyers, nurses, librarians, &c &c.

Take this to an absurd conclusion: All persons aged eighteen and over want the right to vote. In such a society, only veterans have the right to vote, so everyone joins the military. How does society function?

Moreover, in Heinlein’s society, those who would be barred from military service (anyone from a disabled person to a person with an incomplete education) would also be permanently barred from elections.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 2:56:03pm

re: #101 wrenchwench

Sometimes I find a thread about a thing I was just talking about last night.

Specifically, I was talking about why the suicide rate for men always tops that of women. There are many reasons, of course, but this thread gets at what I think is a basis.

I love the line ‘Boys are not born patriarchal.’

Oh boy, that thread.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:00:05pm

Screaming “Trump Guy” Arrested At Airport Says Cops Are “Treating Me Like A Fucking Black Person”

An unruly passenger was arrested Thursday morning at Orlando International Airport and the incident was caught on camera. Jeffrey Epstein is charged with battery on a law enforcement officer, resisting arrest, trespassing after a warning and disorderly conduct, according to an arrest affidavit from the Orlando Police Department.

Police said that Epstein began to yell when he saw the officers arrive. After talking with police, Epstein began to calm down, but became agitated when he learned the airline was not going to allow him to fly because of his behavior. “If you’re going to do this to a white doctor, who’s 59-years-old, for doing nothing, then why would black people trust you?,” Epstein said.

While speaking with WESH 2 News outside of the jail, Epstein began speaking about his political views. “I’m a conservative Republican, I’m a Trump guy. But until the police fix this problem, I don’t blame black people for being upset when they get arrested.”

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ObserverArt  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:02:33pm

Teenage angst in men seems to run longer these days.

Heh.

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austin_blue  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:08:16pm

re: #105 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Screaming “Trump Guy” Arrested At Airport Says Cops Are “Treating Me Like A Fucking Black Person”

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He sounds nice.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:08:59pm

re: #85 Teukka

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So what? The Obamas received death threats. Representatives Maxine Waters and Fredricka Wilson received death threats. The Khans received death threats. I could go on and on. That Judge seems to want to draw attention to himself for some strange reason.

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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:10:09pm

re: #108 Patricia Kayden

So what? The Obamas received death threats. Representatives Maxine Waters and Fredricka Wilson received death threats. The Khans received death threats. I could go on and on. That Judge seems to want to draw attention to himself for some strange reason.

He’s getting his 15 minutes. Win, lose, or draw, he knows once this case is decided that the spotlight will leave his courtroom.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:11:27pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:12:39pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:13:34pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

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Hell hath no fury…

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:13:38pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Wow. I still can’t stand her but dang it, she’s about to draw blood. Trump really knows how to surround himself with the best people (or spies). This just makes Mueller’s job a little easier.

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austin_blue  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:14:34pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

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She learned a lot from Drumpf while on The Apprentice, didn’t she?

That’s a damn impressive education in Ratfuckery.

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ObserverArt  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:14:38pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Pass the popcorn.

We got The Reality President.™

Now comes the reality drama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:15:22pm
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MsJ  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:16:19pm

Thread. Pretty telling.

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MsJ  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:16:54pm

re: #107 austin_blue

He sounds nice.

You want him for your doctor, don’t you?

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MsJ  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:17:52pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

ANT FARM

ANT FARM

ANT FARM

ANT FARM

Oh please oh please oh please!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:18:15pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

The enemy of my enemy is not my friend, she is my enemy’s enemy.

If Managault-Newman’s revenge damages either Agent Orange or his party, good, but I don’t support her.

Quoting Fred from Super Chicken: You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.

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austin_blue  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:18:55pm

re: #118 MsJ

You want him for your doctor, don’t you?

//

He better watch out for his wedding tackle when he taps my knee for a reflex test.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:20:59pm

I just realized that we’ve had Dory for 4 weeks as of today! Wow! My how time flies when you have a puppy!

Here’s a pic from last night. Dory seems to be taking after Uncle Rango in her bedfail abilities!

She didn’t just collapse there. That was her 3rd or 4th position after falling asleep. She’d just been curled up in the bed.

She and Rango are trying to find a mode of play that works for both of them. She scampers around just out of reach Yifeing at him, till he WORFs at her and she runs like hell. They’ve done a bit of hide and seek around the ottoman, but when he barks she flinches. And when he bounds closer, she gets outta dodge. He’s still WAY larger, so I guess it’s like a city bus wants to play!

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wrenchwench  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:21:00pm

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹

Oh boy, that thread.

[…]

[Women are naturally emotional beings…]

‘Women are more emotional’ is part of the creation of the patriarchal universe. When PMS was recognized, there was backlash by feminists because, of course women are reasonable. Of course women can function in all phases of their cycles. They wouldn’t even recognize that reasonable women disagreed with them. My current belief is that testosterone is MUCH more difficult to handle than estrogen and progesterone that fluctuate in a predictable pattern. I don’t know how you guys do it. And hormones are not the same in each individual, not even same sex twins. And they vary day-to-day.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:22:57pm

re: #113 Patricia Kayden

When I read earlier today that she may have as many as 200 recordings, I did a little back-of-the-envelope math. From mid-Jan 2017 - mid-Dec 2017 there were approximately 230 work days. This means Omarosa could conceivably have a recording for almost every day she went to work in the WH.

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wrenchwench  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:23:47pm

re: #123 Blind Frog Belly White

I just realized that we’ve had Dory for 4 weeks as of today! Wow! My how time flies when you have a puppy!

Here’s a pic from last night. Dory seems to be taking after Uncle Rango in her bedfail abilities!

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She didn’t just collapse there. That was her 3rd or 4th position after falling asleep. She’d just been curled up in the bed.

She and Rango are trying to find a mode of play that works for both of them. She scampers around just out of reach Yifeing at him, till he WORFs at her and she runs like hell. They’ve done a bit of hide and seek around the ottoman, but when he barks she flinches. And when he bounds closer, she gets outta dodge. He’s still WAY larger, so I guess it’s like a city bus wants to play!

She either really likes the fringe on that rug, or she’s dreaming of escape.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:24:36pm

My older daughter has been sharing the vicissitudes and horrors of parenthood at back-to-school time. She has 4 of them this year, with the twin girls starting kindergarten, joining their older sister in middle school and my high school senior grandson. They must all have vast amounts of clothing (especially shoes), assorted supplies and electronic gadgets, musical instruments, and kilo-dollars worth of nickel and dime activity fees. She is glad enough to get the little darlings out of the house for a while, but feels guilty about feeling that way. At least their dog isn’t going anywhere and will not need to be outfitted like an expedition to another planet.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:27:41pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

She either really likes the fringe on that rug, or she’s dreaming of escape.

The pen has been a source of ongoing struggle between Mrs. FBW and me. I’ve noticed that, as the Puppy Books all say, when she gets tired and unruly, putting her in the pen, and letting her calm down and fall asleep without distractions works like a charm. She just wants to know that I’m beside her while she does.

Mrs. FBW tends to see the pen as punishment, so she picks Dory up and brings her up on the couch, where there’s too much interesting stuff for Dory to play with or investigate, and she can’t calm down.

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b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:28:37pm

re: #125 Flying Squirrel Girl

When I read earlier today that she may have as many as 200 recordings, I did a little back-of-the-envelope math. From mid-Jan 2017 - mid-Dec 2017 there were approximately 230 work days. This means Omarosa could conceivably have a recording for almost every day she went to work in the WH.

Without doing the math I would say that she spent more time recording her co-workers than actually working.

I think we all have worked with someone like that.

Only the best people.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:28:59pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:31:00pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

I did not mean to imply that women aren’t reasonable all the time. Hormones affect the moods more than the reasoning ability. Head injuries affect both.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:32:08pm

I read the GOP was running on fear this year. Sure enough, I just saw an ad against Amy McGrath saying she wants to abolish ICE (I’m sure she doesn’t) and wants open borders (of course not) which will bring crime and drugs. Then Amy’s ad ran in which she said “Is that all you’ve got? After 89 combat missions, I don’t take orders from party bosses. Can you say that Andy?” Kick ass!

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:35:38pm

re: #18 Blind Frog Belly White

Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!

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MsJ  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:37:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:38:19pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

‘Women are more emotional’ is part of the creation of the patriarchal universe. When PMS was recognized, there was backlash by feminists because, of course women are reasonable. Of course women can function in all phases of their cycles. They wouldn’t even recognize that reasonable women disagreed with them. My current belief is that testosterone is MUCH more difficult to handle than estrogen and progesterone that fluctuate in a predictable pattern. I don’t know how you guys do it. And hormones are not the same in each individual, not even same sex twins. And they vary day-to-day.

How we handle it? Why, we’re less emotional, Ms. Wench. /s

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:40:06pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:41:19pm

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹

How we handle it? Why, we’re less emotional, Ms. Wench. /s

Until very recently, men got to punch whatever set off their emotions. That was a big difference between the cultural perception of male and female emotions.

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MsJ  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:41:24pm

re: #125 Flying Squirrel Girl

When I read earlier today that she may have as many as 200 recordings, I did a little back-of-the-envelope math. From mid-Jan 2017 - mid-Dec 2017 there were approximately 230 work days. This means Omarosa could conceivably have a recording for almost every day she went to work in the WH.

And then spent every single day after making and cataloguing snippets.

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stpaulbear  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:43:25pm

re: #123 Blind Frog Belly White

You need to move their bed out of the high gravity zone.

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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:44:21pm

re: #135 MsJ

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In other words, Donny is getting tired of generals telling him why he can’t just wage a genocidal war of conquest.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:49:40pm

re: #140 stpaulbear

You need to move their bed out of the high gravity zone.

HA!

Greyhound owners love to show each other pictures of the most spectacular bedfails and contortions. The one that always got me with Zeena was the Rubbernose, where she’d fall asleep with her nose on the floor, and as her muscles all relaxed her nose would bend in ways that seemed like they should be painful.

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retired cynic  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:50:07pm

I’ve heard praise and excitement for Randy Bryce to take Paul Ryan’s congressional seat, and I’ve heard that Cathy Myers was a better candidate, and that Bryce had problems, although he really won the money battle. So this article, just seen after the primary where Bryce won, really made me sad.

Rolling the Dice on Ironstache

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:52:42pm
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mmmirele  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:53:45pm

I am strongly recommending this Twitter thread, which is first, about how much capital you needed to have in today’s money to own a slave in 1860, and then about Confederate military service and whether lower-class whites supported it. The writer is a historian of labor and Reconstruction.

I’d note that in my family, one of my g-g-g-g-grandmothers and her children, including my early teenage g-g-g-grandfather, were burned out of their home in Arkansas in the winter of 1862-63 for supporting the Union. They walked with only the clothes on their back to Fort Smith, where the two oldest boys signed up for the US Army. One of the boys died of some disease (I’m thinking it was diptheria) before he shipped out. My g-g-g-grandfather didn’t hang around much longer than that, running away from the family before the end of the war and ending up in Texas. But yeah, they would have been poor white people who did not have slaves and had no chance of ever owning slaves.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:56:22pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And remembering one of the signature lines wrong - “I love the smell of napalm in the morning. Smells like…*sniff*…victory!”

Napalm, not Agent Orange, you idiot. Dropping Agent Orange isn’t gonna get rid of Charlie’s snipers shooting surfers!

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:56:25pm

re: #130 b.d.(great patriot hostage)

Without doing the math I would say that she spent more time recording her co-workers than actually working.

I think we all have worked with someone like that.

Only the best people.

Sounds like her boss.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:57:11pm

re: #143 retired cynic

I’ve heard praise and excitement for Randy Bryce to take Paul Ryan’s congressional seat, and I’ve heard that Cathy Myers was a better candidate, and that Bryce had problems, although he really won the money battle. So this article, just seen after the primary where Bryce won, really made me sad.

Rolling the Dice on Ironstache

A comment on that article:

I find the “Deadbeat Dad” attack more damaging than the 20 year old DUI arrest attack because it happened more recently. But these attacks can only keep Bryce on his heels if he plays by the old rule book that says Democrats must play nice when Republicans attack. If Bryce’s mustache is truly made of iron, then when they attack his debts, he will attack them for supporting deadbeat Trump. And when they attack his arrest record, Bryce will attack them for condoning obstruction of justice and Steil for working for Ryan who couldn’t stand up to Trump. If Bryce can’t wrap Ryan around Steil, he should never have run in the first place and he deserves to loose.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:58:05pm
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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 3:59:27pm
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TedStriker  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:00:07pm

re: #40 Patricia Kayden

Linda Ronstadt and Kelly Clarkson would probably sniff at that ridiculous write-up. Neither of them are as impactful or as successful artists as Queen Aretha. Some people just don’t know how to write a tribute without trying to throw shade.

Ronstadt, in her way, is/was an impactful artist, even if not quite on the same level as Franklin; what more can you say about an artist with the hits she had and that her early 70s backing band, with Glenn Frey and Don Henley, was the genesis of the Eagles?

I would say that Clarkson couldn’t hold water for either Franklin or Ronstadt…she’s definitely a one-trick pony.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:02:09pm
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jamesfirecat  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:06:46pm

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹

People in those countries who have not been in the military still have the right to vote.

“Skin in the game” is an empty argument. Everyone pays taxes (or tries to evade them) so everyone has “skin in the game.” Separating veterans out and saying “only this group has served its country, so only this group should determine its future” leaves out all those who serve their country in other ways besides pointing a gun at whoever the government tells them to: Teachers, doctors, lawyers, nurses, librarians, &c &c.

Take this to an absurd conclusion: All persons aged eighteen and over want the right to vote. In such a society, only veterans have the right to vote, so everyone joins the military. How does society function?

Moreover, in Heinlein’s society, those who would be barred from military service (anyone from a disabled person to a person with an incomplete education) would also be permanently barred from elections.

The book directly calls out/counters your last point.

The recruiter is missing several limbs/has cybernetic replacements for them, and explains that if a deaf and blind person wanted to serve in order to get citizenship, they’d find him a job counting the numbers of hairs on caterpillars somewhere that would qualify/they’d find a qualifying position for someone no matter how physically disabled/uneducated a person is.

Also the main character’s father is offered the chance at citizenship simply by running a factory that is producing war related goods.

You don’t have to agree with Starship Troopers (I don’t either) but it behooves us to keep each other honest.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:07:30pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:09:37pm

re: #154 JordanRules

That’s a really unhealthy looking complexion he’s got there. I can see why an ex-playmate wanted to have unprotected sex with him…
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retired cynic  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:10:54pm

re: #151 TedStriker

Ronstadt, in her way, is/was an impactful artist, even if not quite on the same level; what more can you say about an artist with the hits she had and that her early 70s backing band, with Glenn Frey and Don Henley, was the genesis of the Eagles?

I would say that Clarkson couldn’t hold water for either Franklin or Ronstadt…she’s definitely a one-trick pony.

Forget Clarkson. I always like Ronstadt, but I _really_ got into her when the Trio and Trio2 albums came out. They were just sublime.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:11:21pm

re: #151 TedStriker

Ronstadt, in her way, is/was an impactful artist, even if not quite on the same level as Franklin; what more can you say about an artist with the hits she had and that her early 70s backing band, with Glenn Frey and Don Henley, was the genesis of the Eagles?

I would say that Clarkson couldn’t hold water for either Franklin or Ronstadt…she’s definitely a one-trick pony.

Ronstadt and Clarkson are accomplished artists. I just don’t think it’s necessary to bring them up when memorializing Aretha Franklin. I don’t see them as comparable artists in any way except that they are women.

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Jay C  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:11:32pm

re: #145 mmmirele

I am strongly recommending this Twitter thread, which is first, about how much capital you needed to have in today’s money to own a slave in 1860, and then about Confederate military service and whether lower-class whites supported it. The writer is a historian of labor and Reconstruction.

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I read somewhere once, that at a conservative estimate, the capital tied up in human slaves in the antebellum South was something like $2.5Billion - at contemporary dollar values: in an era when $1000/year was a decent skilled-artisan’s annual salary.
(Something like 2-1/2 million (?) slaves conservatively representing an investment of about $1000 or so each in the 1850s)

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:12:03pm

re: #143 retired cynic

I’ve heard praise and excitement for Randy Bryce to take Paul Ryan’s congressional seat, and I’ve heard that Cathy Myers was a better candidate, and that Bryce had problems, although he really won the money battle. So this article, just seen after the primary where Bryce won, really made me sad.

Rolling the Dice on Ironstache

It is a shame. According to Nate Silver’s model, the Democrat has a better than 20% chance of winning Ryan’s seat, which isn’t great odds, but represents a real chance in a wave election.

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wrenchwench  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:12:49pm

re: #151 TedStriker

Ronstadt, in her way, is/was an impactful artist, even if not quite on the same level as Franklin; what more can you say about an artist with the hits she had and that her early 70s backing band, with Glenn Frey and Don Henley, was the genesis of the Eagles?

I would say that Clarkson couldn’t hold water for either Franklin or Ronstadt…she’s definitely a one-trick pony.

Linda Ronstadt would definitely ‘sniff at that ridiculous write-up.’ She didn’t like her music very much, after it was recorded. And now she has Parkinson’s, and does not sing any longer.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:12:52pm
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Chrysicat  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:12:55pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

That’s how you can tell those who read the book vs. those who watched the (satirical) film. In the novel, federal service was not simply serving in the military, it could be any task for which the state felt you were suitably fit. You could end serving your term of federal service as a file clerk and still become a citizen.

I’m fully aware of that myself, though I’ve never managed to sit through either all the way through; but that filing is still carrying out orders from those above you in the government. And like I said in the tweet, that’s something that just about every R but Trump has done, and the only people better off with any of them are…well, I’m actually not sure. Nativism had taken over a good portion of the party before it nominated Trump. Crimeans-who-want-to-be-Ukranian-again? That’s about all that I see getting different treatment from a Cruz/Huck admin…

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retired cynic  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:13:34pm

re: #161 goddamnedfrank

I bet it didn’t happen.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:14:25pm

re: #149 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It has never occurred to scum like Stewart that to win in a lean blue state, you have to reach out to folk beyond the racist rednecks that make up your base. That’s a problem with Republicans as a whole. They don’t know how to expand their base beyond White, angry voters. Sucks for them because voter oppression can only get you so far.

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mmmirele  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:14:54pm

re: #158 Jay C

I read somewhere once, that at a conservative estimate, the capital tied up in human slaves in the antebellum South was something like $2.5Billion - at contemporary dollar values: in an era when $1000/year was a decent skilled-artisan’s annual salary.
(Something like 2-1/2 million (?) slaves conservatively representing an investment of about $1000 or so each in the 1850s)

There’s a chart in Ed Baptist’s “The Half Has Never Been Told” which lists the value of slaves and land at various points up to and after the Civil War. It’s an enormous number…but the shock is seeing that number plummet to ZERO in 1865. Emancipation was the loss of a staggering amount of wealth in human beings. The last 153 years, some people have been trying to cling to that wealth by various illegal means.

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Chrysicat  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:16:02pm
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stpaulbear  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:17:16pm

re: #163 retired cynic

I bet it didn’t happen.

I can see some girl saying that to him just to get him to go away.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:18:05pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:18:06pm

re: #158 Jay C

I read somewhere once, that at a conservative estimate, the capital tied up in human slaves in the antebellum South was something like $2.5Billion - at contemporary dollar values: in an era when $1000/year was a decent skilled-artisan’s annual salary.
(Something like 2-1/2 million (?) slaves conservatively representing an investment of about $1000 or so each in the 1850s)

I believe I read that chattel slaves represented more wealth pre-war than everything else in the US combined.

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Chrysicat  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:19:01pm

re: #151 TedStriker

Ronstadt, in her way, is/was an impactful artist, even if not quite on the same level as Franklin; what more can you say about an artist with the hits she had and that her early 70s backing band, with Glenn Frey and Don Henley, was the genesis of the Eagles?

I would say that Clarkson couldn’t hold water for either Franklin or Ronstadt…she’s definitely a one-trick pony.

I will also lay money that if the writer knew Ronstadt considers herself Latina, he’d have found a way to replace her (and watch as said way would have been Carly Simon, who also is Latina and of which he’s probably equally unaware :-P )

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:20:53pm

re: #168 JordanRules

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Its kind of weird that the President of the United States is tweeting his take on the case. As in, totally unprecedented and grossly inappropriate.

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Chrysicat  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:21:48pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:22:16pm

re: #169 Big Beautiful Door

I believe I read that chattel slaves represented more wealth pre-war than everything else in the US combined.

I wouldn’t be surprised. There were almost 4 Million at the start of the War.

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EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:22:41pm

re: #84 Blind Frog Belly White

Next, they should do the one where the hero goes back in time and fucks his mother, after fucking his twin daughters (well, female clones of him, really)*, and see if he still thinks Heinlein had good ideas.

*To be fair, Heinlein was having a lot of fun examining taboos, especially incest taboos, and how they would be affected by essentially unlimited lifespans, not to mention completely reliable contraception.

Late Heinlein got way too far into wish fulfillment fantasies of an old man surrounded by multiple hot and capable women who unaccountably remained completely emotionally dependent on the patriarch (despite their talents) for my taste.

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Skip Intro  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:25:08pm

re: #168 JordanRules

Oh yeah, the fix is in on this one.

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jamesfirecat  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:25:15pm

re: #174 EPR-radar

Late Heinlein got way too far into wish fulfillment fantasies of an old man surrounded by multiple hot and capable women who unaccountably remained completely emotionally dependent on the patriarch (despite their talents) for my taste.

I enjoyed reading StarshipTroopers enough (as a teenager) that I listened to the audiobook several times over.

I tried reading “Friday” once and got about roughly 1/10th of the way through before deciding I had better things to do with my life.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:27:28pm
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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:27:56pm

re: #175 Skip Intro

Oh yeah, the fix is in on this one.

Shit is starting to look real funny in the light.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:29:23pm

re: #174 EPR-radar

Late Heinlein got way too far into wish fulfillment fantasies of an old man surrounded by multiple hot and capable women who unaccountably remained completely emotionally dependent on the patriarch (despite their talents) for my taste.

A good point. It’s been years since I read them, Heinlein having died 30 years ago. Things have changed a lot since. “Time Enough For Love” came out in 1973, 45 years ago, so even more has changed since then. It’s kind of like Heinlein was exploring the ‘Free Love’ era while still remaining rooted in patriarchy.

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mmmirele  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:30:43pm

John Sweeney, a BBC journalist and well-known tangler with Scientology, did a story about QAnon for BBC Newsnight. Nothing new here, but just pointing out that this idiocy has made the BBC news. *rolls eyes*

QAnon and the red pill of truth - BBC Newsnight

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:32:06pm

re: #153 jamesfirecat

The book directly calls out/counters your last point.

The recruiter is missing several limbs/has cybernetic replacements for them, and explains that if a deaf and blind person wanted to serve in order to get citizenship, they’d find him a job counting the numbers of hairs on caterpillars somewhere that would qualify/they’d find a qualifying position for someone no matter how physically disabled/uneducated a person is.

Also the main characters father is offered the chance at citizenship simply by running a factory that is producing war related goods.

You don’t have to agree with Starship Troopers (I don’t either) but it behooves us to keep each other honest.

You’re correct; it’s been a long time since I read the book.

I’m still of the opinion that nearly everyone is still a contributor to society in some fashion. As noted above, the context of “Starship Troopers” is that Earth is facing an existential threat. Heinlein’s book also came out right after the USA suspended nuclear testing, but still viewed the USSR as an existential threat to the USA.

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Chrysicat  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:34:11pm
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sagehen  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:34:53pm

re: #158 Jay C

I read somewhere once, that at a conservative estimate, the capital tied up in human slaves in the antebellum South was something like $2.5Billion - at contemporary dollar values: in an era when $1000/year was a decent skilled-artisan’s annual salary.
(Something like 2-1/2 million (?) slaves conservatively representing an investment of about $1000 or so each in the 1850s)

According to David Blight (Yale’s go-to Civil War historian)… the collective cash value of all the slaves in 1860 was more than all the factories, all the railroads, all the houses, all the machinery and furniture and jewelry and art and cash bank deposits and every other thing in the whole country all added together.

The only thing on the continent worth more was the 3 million square miles of land (which includes all the western territories that white people hadn’t settled yet).

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jamesfirecat  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:35:34pm

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹

You’re correct; it’s been a long time since I read the book.

I’m still of the opinion that nearly everyone is still a contributor to society in some fashion. As noted above, the context of “Starship Troopers” is that Earth is facing an existential threat. Heinlein’s book also came out right after the USA suspended nuclear testing, but still viewed the USSR as an existential threat to the USA.

No problem, and thanks for admitting your mistake.

Just to be clear, I’ll never be able to understand/comprehend the part where novel diverges into a class discussion of how corporal punishment as a cure to all/most of society’s ills, as anything other than “old man yells at clouds” or at least “old man doesn’t like that things are different than when he was young and believes today’s youth are decadent and immoral”.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:38:23pm

re: #182 Chrysicat

Trump has called the free press an enemy of the American people. This goes directly against our First Amendment. He doesn’t have to have any journalist or reporter killed to be condemned for disparaging the media.

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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:38:39pm

re: #182 Chrysicat

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Do we really have to mention how the “liberal press” lost their fucking minds over the idea that Obama criticizing the police would mean it was “open season”? How many times did we hear about “So-and-so is trying to get cops killed!” simply because a “liberal” questioned whether or not it was necessary for cops to default to lethal force when facing a “scary” situation?

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:41:08pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

That’s how you can tell those who read the book vs. those who watched the (satirical) film. In the novel, federal service was not simply serving in the military, it could be any task for which the state felt you were suitably fit. You could end serving your term of federal service as a file clerk and still become a citizen.

In the book, Federal Service is the means by which one gains the franchise. However, being a military veteran is the virtually only way one enters the Civil Service.

I have not seen the movie, and it’s been a long time since I read the book. Perhaps I should hunt down my copy and read it again.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:41:18pm

re: #152 Patricia Kayden

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McDaniels’s version was holy writ in southern textbooks until the 1970s, so he is not challenging some kind of “politcally correct” orthodoxy. He is simply reviving a discredited orthodoxy, the “Lost Cause.”
I had to take Texas history in the 7th grade (ca. 1961). Having lived outside the country before that, and educated in federal schools, I was shocked at how little it resembled anything I had been taught before. My teacher, a Miss Jones, was a Confederate fanatic and a fervently emotional Lost Causer. She described rebel soldiers as “our boys” as she waxed eloquent over the defeat of the invading Yankee hordes, who somehow managed to win the war anyway. She actually shed tears over the horrors of Reconstruction, when formerly content “negro” voters were manipulated by carpetbaggers and scalawags to loot the treasury. Jones had been a high school classmate of my mother, who described her as a “frumpy old maid to be.” I once overheard my mom telling my dad that she thought Jones was still a virgin at age 33.

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b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:41:42pm

Funny how no one has indicated which side threatened the judge and jurors.

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Jay C  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:43:21pm

re: #189 b.d.(great patriot hostage)

Funny how no one has indicated which side threatened the judge and jurors.

Heh.
Do we really have to?

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b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:43:52pm

re: #185 Patricia Kayden

Trump has called the free press an enemy of the American people. This goes directly against our First Amendment. He doesn’t have to have any journalist or reporter killed to be condemned for disparaging the media.

Radio Rwanda never actually killed anybody either, this is getting scary.

I doubt it but hopefully after the midterms the surviving wingnuts will be a little more rational.

Who am I kidding?

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b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:45:02pm

re: #190 Jay C

Heh.
Do we really have to?

The wingnuts are playing it up as the left being the ones threatening.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:45:57pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:46:49pm

re: #184 jamesfirecat

No problem, and thanks for admitting your mistake.

Just to be clear, I’ll never be able to understand/comprehend the part where novel diverges into a class discussion of how corporal punishment as a cure to all/most of society’s ills, as anything other than “old man yells at clouds” or at least “old man doesn’t like that things are different than when he was young and believes today’s youth are decadent and immoral”.

Mr. Heinlein was writing fiction. That said, in the book, one of the military instructors argues for capital punishment or flogging for juvenile delinquents. (Of note, flogging was outlawed in the Navy in 1862. While Mr. Heinlein was in the Navy, I wasn’t aware it was that long ago. /s)

Naval Discipline - Flogging (goes to Bluejacket with a history of the practice in the US Navy)

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wrenchwench  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:48:08pm

re: #192 b.d.(great patriot hostage)

The wingnuts are playing it up as the left being the ones threatening.

All the fake news that fits their agenda.

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mmmirele  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:48:12pm

re: #169 Big Beautiful Door

I believe I read that chattel slaves represented more wealth pre-war than everything else in the US combined.

According to Ed Baptist (“The Half Has Never Been Told”), that’s not quite true. Here’s Table 7.1 from his book. It looks like in 1860, the wealth tied up in slaves was about 19 percent of total US wealth.

Still a lot of money tied up in human beings
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:49:10pm

re: #125 Flying Squirrel Girl

When I read earlier today that she may have as many as 200 recordings, I did a little back-of-the-envelope math. From mid-Jan 2017 - mid-Dec 2017 there were approximately 230 work days. This means Omarosa could conceivably have a recording for almost every day she went to work in the WH.

It’s hilarious that Omarosa was pretty much being paid to surreptitiously record the Trump regime. She certainly has nothing else to show for her time and $179,000 salary.

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b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:49:21pm

re: #193 Patricia Kayden

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Washington Post has the great story:

washingtonpost.com

The un-celebrity president
Jimmy Carter shuns riches, lives modestly in his Georgia hometown

The best ex-president ever.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:55:56pm

re: #192 b.d.(great patriot hostage)

The wingnuts are playing it up as the left being the ones threatening.

As well as communists, devil-worshipers, Venezuelan agents, etc.
Lubbock radio host Wade Wilkes never misses a chance to hit these points:

Wade has gained national attention more than once for his tirades. Locally his views are about average though.
Lubbock Radio Host: Orlando Victims Were ‘Getting Lit, Using Illegal Drugs and Spreading STDs’

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Jay C  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:57:10pm

re: #198 b.d.(great patriot hostage)

Washington Post has the great story:

washingtonpost.com

The best ex-president ever.

And yet still, excoriated as History’s Greatest Monster by a non-trivial segment of the Body Politic…..

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:57:56pm
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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:59:15pm

I did say Simon & Schuster was ready.

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TedStriker  Aug 17, 2018 • 4:59:43pm

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

I’m at work, so I can’t tweet, but:

We learned that a DeLorean makes a perfect time machine.

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wrenchwench  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:00:35pm

A bit of partially good news locally. A cop was found guilty of first degree murder for killing his wife. Won’t bring her back…. There was lots of testimony about how she couldn’t get help from any cops with the husband she had predicted would kill her.

The previous cop who killed his wife killed himself right after her. He was driven to the home he was not to enter, because at least she was able to get an injunction, by the chief, who let the cop go in his house, where he got one of his guns (to replace the one the chief had just taken away from him). The chief was still in the driveway, the cop’s wife was in a car with a friend in the same driveway, the cop asked her to get out, which she did, then he shot her, then himself. The chief stayed on the job for three more years, then retired. He should go to jail.

Hope that was followable through the comma forest.

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b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:01:16pm

re: #199 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

As well as communists, devil-worshipers, Venezuelan agents, etc.
Lubbock radio host Wade Wilkes never misses a chance to hit these points:

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Wade has gained national attention more than once for his tirades. Locally his views are about average though.
Lubbock Radio Host: Orlando Victims Were ‘Getting Lit, Using Illegal Drugs and Spreading STDs’

Go ahead wingnuts, pass laws discriminating against certain religions.

I double dog dare ya.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:05:01pm

This tweet speaks to me.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:08:10pm

re: #206 JordanRules

This tweet speaks to me.

Works for being born in 1960 as well. Add in I don’t know how to use a smartphone.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:11:54pm

re: #207 Anymouse 🌹

Speak for yourself. I know how to use my iphone, ipad, and my macbook air. And I also remember how to boot up an older windows based computer.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:12:59pm

re: #207 Anymouse 🌹

Works for being born in 1960 as well. Add in I don’t know how to use a smartphone.

Think about it in terms of the general idea around generational cusps and not his specific examples. You’ve got good Boomer blood that I don’t have.

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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:13:45pm

re: #208 PhillyPretzel

Speak for yourself. I know how to use my iphone, ipad, and my macbook air. And I also remember how to boot up an older windows based computer.

Where as I, a Millenial, have allowed my DOS skills to atrophy to the point that I can barely remember how to change from C: to A: when trying to boot up old games in DOSBOX.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:14:08pm

re: #206 JordanRules

This tweet speaks to me.

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I assume synthwave is some form of music?

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:15:08pm

Is the DOJ Trump’s personal law firm? Why are they involved?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:15:11pm

re: #210 Targetpractice

Where as I, a Millenial, have allowed my DOS skills to atrophy to the point that I can barely remember how to change from C: to A: when trying to boot up old games in DOSBOX.

One of the many useless skills that I have managed to retain.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:16:02pm

re: #211 Big Beautiful Door

I assume synthwave is some form of music?

Yeppers

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William Lewis  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:16:41pm

re: #206 JordanRules

This tweet speaks to me.

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Heck, even from 1963, I can feel that. I’ve made much of the money of my life thanks to computers but I still mourn the loss of the card catalog at the library. Especially at the university library my mother worked at (who’s employee ID checked me out probably thousands of books).

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Chrysicat  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:17:05pm

re: #212 Single-handed sailor

Is the DOJ Trump’s personal law firm? Why are they involved?

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Sez Hannity: “Yes, actually”.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:18:30pm

re: #215 William Lewis

Heck, even from 1963, I can feel that. I’ve made much of the money of my life thanks to computers but I still mourn the loss of the card catalog at the library. Especially at the university library my mother worked at (who’s employee ID checked me out probably thousands of books).

You also have a Boomer-X cusp thing going on that I don’t.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:21:01pm
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:22:52pm

I was born in 1962. I still remember dial phones and black and white TV’s with no remotes. I really like the conveniences we have today but there is something to be said for some of the older tech that we remember.

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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:24:54pm

There’s things that I look back at nostalgically…but don’t wish to ever experience again. Like the sound of a 56K modem dialing AOL numbers again and again trying to connect. Or starting to download a 1Mb file and then going to brew a pot of coffee to see which finished first. And who can forget the fun of lugging a CRT monitor up a flight of stairs?

I know, I had it “good” compared to the pioneers of the Net before me who thought Wargames was cutting edge or who would post to a BBS and then wait a day for a reply.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:25:09pm

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

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Ahhh Ozone. *blushes*

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:26:51pm

re: #220 Targetpractice

There’s things that I look back at nostalgically…but don’t wish to ever experience again. Like the sound of a 56K modem dialing AOL numbers again and again trying to connect. Or starting to download a 1Mb file and then going to brew a pot of coffee to see which finished first. And who can forget the fun of lugging a CRT monitor up a flight of stairs?

I know, I had it “good” compared to the pioneers of the Net before me who thought Wargames was cutting edge or who would post to a BBS and then wait a day for a reply.

I’m right there with you. I remember trying to download DVD images overnight, praying that the connection would stay stable while I was sleeping.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:28:56pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:29:28pm

re: #222 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m right there with you. I remember trying to download DVD images overnight, praying that the connection would stay stable while I was sleeping.

Oh cool, they posted that new picture. Let me just click the link…loading…loading…damnit, failed to load! *sigh* Let me try refreshing the page again.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:29:42pm

re: #223 goddamnedfrank

He sure did. I miss Bob Ross.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:31:20pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:31:45pm

re: #225 PhillyPretzel

He sure did. I miss Bob Ross.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:32:15pm

re: #208 PhillyPretzel

Speak for yourself. I know how to use my iphone, ipad, and my macbook air. And I also remember how to boot up an older windows based computer.

I still have my Commodore 64 phhhht.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:32:23pm

re: #224 Targetpractice

Oh cool, they posted that new picture. Let me just click the link…loading…loading…damnit, failed to load! *sigh* Let me try refreshing the page again.

PCMCIA cards in laptops that weighed 10+ lbs and were 2 inches thick. Oh my God, if I ever see another PCMCIA slot, I will stuff it with dynamite and blow it the fuck up.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:34:01pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

And when he left the military, he swore he would never raise his voice again. Brought me so much joy watching his shows.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:34:52pm

re: #219 PhillyPretzel

I was born in 1962. I still remember dial phones and black and white TV’s with no remotes. I really like the conveniences we have today but there is something to be said for some of the older tech that we remember.

As I’ve noted before, I still have a dial phone (as does everyone else in my town).

The phone company now permits touch tone, but no one I know has gone out to buy a touch tone phone. (Why? My phone still works.)

We did move into the XX Century though when our county got 911 emergency service in 2012.

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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:35:58pm

re: #231 Anymouse 🌹

As I’ve noted before, I still have a dial phone (as does everyone else in my town).

The phone company now permits touch tone, but no one I know has gone out to buy a touch tone phone. (Why? My phone still works.)

We did move into the XX Century though when our county got 911 emergency service in 2012.

So have they adopted one of them new-fangled adding machines at the General Store yet?

//I kid, I kid

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Interesting Times  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:36:21pm

One thing that makes Gen X unique is that, give or take a few years, we’re pretty much the last generation to come of age without the Internet.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:36:34pm

re: #228 Anymouse 🌹

Had WAYYY too much fun playing text-based games such as Zork I, II, III and The Witness on my Commodore 64. Damn I’m old!

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:37:17pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

So have they adopted one of them new-fangled adding machines at the General Store yet?

//I kid, I kid

The proprietor of the general store here GASP! uses a computer to run his cash register.

He still doesn’t take credit cards though.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:37:29pm

re: #234 dirkdigglerjr

Asteroids on my dad’s Atari was my jam. I have a classic Game Boy that still works, and a couple dozen cartridges for it.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:37:58pm

That’s like Omarosa releasing the same tape over and over. We got it with Brennan *and* we know how it’s being used to handicap important investigation testimony into our compromised elections and admin.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:39:38pm

re: #233 Interesting Times

Grew up with 7 channels. Eight if the weather patterns wear co-operating. Cable gave us 20 and the ability to watch partially-scrambled nudie films on Cinemax. Hey, when you are a teenager you took what you could get.

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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:39:55pm

re: #237 JordanRules

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That’s like Omarosa releasing the same tape over and over. We got it with Brennan *and* we know how it’s being used to handicap important investigation testimony into our compromised elections and admin.

Something tells me “Michael Flynn” appears on none of those documents.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:40:31pm

re: #234 dirkdigglerjr

Had WAYYY too much fun playing text-based games such as Zork I, II, III and The Witness on my Commodore 64. Damn I’m old!

My favourite was Pirates! (exclamation mark in the original). Swapping floppy disks kind of dragged on game play though.

I have a version of Pirates! now for my laptop. It’s a lot harder to play with the arrow keys than on my Commodore with a joystick.

I went into the computer shop in Scottsbluff to buy a joystick … I got a strange look from the shop owner. He said it would take a couple months to order one.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:41:09pm

re: #236 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Missile Command. ‘Nuff said.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:41:39pm

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹

Enchanted Forest

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:42:00pm

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹

I still have an old USB joystick downstairs because I used to play a crap ton of flight simulators when I was growing up. I even have a USB force feedback race wheel around here somewhere.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:42:46pm

re: #239 Targetpractice

Something tells me “Michael Flynn” appears on none of those documents.

Arrrgg. I had forgotten that. You just made me angry about that all over again.
We are so compromised in 1000 different ways.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:42:56pm

For me, Bob Ross was on at about 5PM on Saturday on our PBS station. As a kid, that’s just after I’d been out doing sports or shoveling snow or whatever, so it was such a joy to just make a mug of hot chocolate, wrap in a blanket, and let Bob do his magic.

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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:43:34pm

I still remember being amazed when my dad got a copy of Wolfenstein 3D from a friend at work, back when companies put out “shareware” to entice you to buy the full game rather than expecting you to pay full price for an unfinished game.

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William Lewis  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:44:39pm

re: #228 Anymouse 🌹

I still have my Commodore 64 phhhht.

The first PC I bought was a Amiga 500. Then an IBM XT from a pawnshop. Then I got sent to Intel school at Ft Huachuca where I picked up a Commodore 128D. After that were normal computers but I’d love to have any of those still. My Sun SunBlade 2500 will have to do instead.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:44:45pm

I watch the Bob Ross catalog on Netflix to go back to a happy place.

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William Lewis  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:45:40pm

re: #236 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Asteroids on my dad’s Atari was my jam. I have a classic Game Boy that still works, and a couple dozen cartridges for it.

Pokimon!

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b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:46:21pm

Ooopsie:

Damn coffee boy!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:47:29pm

re: #238 dirkdigglerjr

Grew up with 7 channels. Eight if the weather patterns wear co-operating. Cable gave us 20 and the ability to watch partially-scrambled nudie films on Cinemax. Hey, when you are a teenager you took what you could get.

I go all the way back to when there were only 2 TV stations in Pittsburgh—WQED and WDTV—the linchpin of the DuMont Network. There was a UHF station in the mid 50s that was only on the air for a couple months until the transmitter antenna was blown down in a storm. When DuMont was forced to sell WDTV to Westinghouse it became KDKA a CBS affiliate. Then WIIC came on as an NBC affiliate. WTAE came on as an ABC affiliate in 1959.

Cable came to my hometown in 1970. Pay Per View was “Hollywood Home Theater” that showed only 2 movies each night in 1975. HBO bought Hollywood Home Theater in 1977. Cable was only 18 channels.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:47:38pm

re: #249 William Lewis

Pokimon!

One of the few I DON’T have, believe it or not! A bunch of my friends in high school played, though. That’s the main reason why I’m so deep into Pokemon Go these days.

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dangerman  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:48:55pm

re: #220 Targetpractice

There’s things that I look back at nostalgically…but don’t wish to ever experience again. Like the sound of a 56K modem dialing AOL numbers again and again trying to connect. Or starting to download a 1Mb file and then going to brew a pot of coffee to see which finished first. And who can forget the fun of lugging a CRT monitor up a flight of stairs?

I know, I had it “good” compared to the pioneers of the Net before me who thought Wargames was cutting edge or who would post to a BBS and then wait a day for a reply.

First modem was 300 baud phone coupler

Before that was ibm 360/370 batch input by punch cards then two or three day printout turnaround. And that was just to find typos and obvious logic problems. Then another three days, another printout and then you could start to actually debug

Do not miss it

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:50:53pm

re: #250 b.d.(great patriot hostage)

Ooopsie:

Damn coffee boy!

Abramson didn’t post a link to the Reuters article he cites.

There is nothing about this on their Website.
reuters.com

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Chrysicat  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:52:32pm

re: #229 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

PCMCIA cards in laptops that weighed 10+ lbs and were 2 inches thick. Oh my God, if I ever see another PCMCIA slot, I will stuff it with dynamite and blow it the fuck up.

HEY!! My laptop still is around those dimensions, as most gaming-capable ones are!

(which is where I get scolded by everyone for having a gaming-capable laptop, instead of a semi-portable hand-built tower with monitors awaiting it at the family condo and the den where I watch TV, and maybe the dinner table).

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:52:52pm

re: #254 Anymouse 🌹

Abramson didn’t post a link to the Reuters article he cites.

There is nothing about this on their Website.
reuters.com

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TedStriker  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:54:41pm

re: #243 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I still have an old USB joystick downstairs because I used to play a crap ton of flight simulators when I was growing up. I even have a USB force feedback race wheel around here somewhere.

I keep a USB joystick for my PC for the flying parts of the Battlefield games, but don’t use it otherwise. My Logitech Driving Force GT wheel, however, has been getting lots of use in Assetto Corsa and Project Cars 2 lately because I keep rage-quitting PUBG the past few days because my luck went to shit once I hit the top 10 in NA for Solo FPP play (now, I’ve slid back to mid-20s or so).

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:54:44pm

re: #256 JordanRules

I presume Reuters Website has not yet been updated to reflect their tweet. Thank you.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:54:47pm

re: #254 Anymouse 🌹

Abramson didn’t post a link to the Reuters article he cites.

There is nothing about this on their Website.
reuters.com

He and a few others are really bad at not retweeting the original source. You can still add commentary if you want, but show your work people.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:55:01pm

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹

People in those countries who have not been in the military still have the right to vote.

“Skin in the game” is an empty argument. Everyone pays taxes (or tries to evade them) so everyone has “skin in the game.” Separating veterans out and saying “only this group has served its country, so only this group should determine its future” leaves out all those who serve their country in other ways besides pointing a gun at whoever the government tells them to: Teachers, doctors, lawyers, nurses, librarians, &c &c.

Take this to an absurd conclusion: All persons aged eighteen and over want the right to vote. In such a society, only veterans have the right to vote, so everyone joins the military. How does society function?

Moreover, in Heinlein’s society, those who would be barred from military service (anyone from a disabled person to a person with an incomplete education) would also be permanently barred from elections.

Anyone who volunteered for Federal Service (not “The Military”) had to be accepted. As the desk sergeant told Juan Rico: “Somebody could come in here in a wheelchair and blind in both eyes and I’d have to find them something to do—counting the hairs on a caterpillar by touch, maybe.” And at the end of his service, he’d be a citizen. Those godawful movies had nothing to do with the book.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:55:25pm

re: #255 Chrysicat

HEY!! My laptop still is around those dimensions, as most gaming-capable ones are!

(which is where I get scolded by everyone for having a gaming-capable laptop, instead of a semi-portable hand-built tower with monitors awaiting it at the family condo and the den where I watch TV, and maybe the dinner table).

I would rather have a gaming-capable laptop, actually. I had one for a while, but it kept shorting out the power supply. After the third RMA, I gave up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:56:24pm

re: #220 Targetpractice

There’s things that I look back at nostalgically…but don’t wish to ever experience again. Like the sound of a 56K modem dialing AOL numbers again and again trying to connect. Or starting to download a 1Mb file and then going to brew a pot of coffee to see which finished first. And who can forget the fun of lugging a CRT monitor up a flight of stairs?

I know, I had it “good” compared to the pioneers of the Net before me who thought Wargames was cutting edge or who would post to a BBS and then wait a day for a reply.

Der 56k Modem Klang - The 56k dialup modem sound

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:56:28pm

re: #250 b.d.(great patriot hostage)

Ooopsie:

Damn coffee boy!

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Wonder what his Italian wife with the (allegedly) dodgy Italian pronunciation will tell him to do….

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William Lewis  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:56:49pm

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

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Whalesong!

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:57:06pm

re: #260 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Anyone who volunteered for Federal Service (not “The Military”) had to be accepted. As the desk sergeant told Juan Rico: “Somebody could come in here in a wheelchair and blind in both eyes and I’d have to find them something to do—counting the hairs on a caterpillar by touch, maybe.” And at the end of his service, he’d be a citizen. Those godawful movies had nothing to do with the book.

I updated that later in the thread.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:58:00pm

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

That brings back memories and some of them that were not too good.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:58:38pm
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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 5:58:55pm

Thread…

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:01:26pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:02:26pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

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Dude. Tucker. Put the bong down and back away SLOWLY.

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A Cranky One  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:02:33pm

You kids with your stories about how primitive your first computer experiences were. Here is what we old timers had to do:’

littlegreenfootballs.com

Get off my lawn!

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:04:02pm

I got bad news today. An acquaintance of mine was murdered for $5 by a homeless man. security guard at the building I work in. He was out on the sidewalk, was asked for $5, said no. The homeless guy walks away, only to sneak up a few moments later and smash the far smaller mans head up against the marble wall. Then just walked away. There is video, the killer will be found. I think a known local guy.

There are all those people we see most days. Maybe at work or riding in with regular commuters. Just familiar faces, then… gone.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:05:31pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

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Does Tucker Carlson’s perpetually stupid face undermine military morale?

“That’s what we’re fighting for? Fuck it, I’m outta here.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:06:03pm

re: #272 Unshaken Defiance

{{{RWC}}}

Dude. That’s brutal.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:06:41pm

re: #236 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Asteroids on my dad’s Atari was my jam. I have a classic Game Boy that still works, and a couple dozen cartridges for it.

Funny you say that. I was cleaning some old toy drawers last weekend and I stumbled across an original game boy that, like yours, still works.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:09:58pm

re: #272 Unshaken Defiance

I am very sorry to hear that. One of my co-workers fell off a chair and whacked his head when he fell. He also had some chest pains too. Not a good start for a Friday. :(

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dangerman  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:13:49pm

re: #271 A Cranky One

You kids with your stories about how primitive your first computer experiences were. Here is what we old timers had to do:’

littlegreenfootballs.com

Get off my lawn!

I had one of these:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:16:29pm

re: #174 EPR-radar

Late Heinlein got way too far into wish fulfillment fantasies of an old man surrounded by multiple hot and capable women who unaccountably remained completely emotionally dependent on the patriarch (despite their talents) for my taste.

Everything he wrote after his stroke (i.e., everything after The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress) was just embarrassing—would never have been published with any other name on them.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:17:08pm

re: #277 dangerman

Me too. My kid sister took all of the wires and threw them out. :(
I think mine was a 50 in one.

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Chrysicat  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:18:26pm

re: #275 Eclectic Cyborg

Funny you say that. I was cleaning some old toy drawers last weekend and I stumbled across an original game boy that, like yours, still works.

Betting mine does too—it was a Christmas gift in ‘89, and since we insisted on getting the external battery pack as well, it hasn’t had AAs in it since the Bush administration. No reason to test it though, since anything it can play, so can my GBASP from 2003…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:19:21pm

re: #266 PhillyPretzel

That brings back memories and some of them that were not too good.

Yeah, trying to watch porn on dial-up sucked, didn’t it?

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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:20:29pm

Tell me how the NYT is providing newsworthy content when they focus on Nancy and the Democrats and how they’re supposedly in disarray and are demanding that she step aside going into November - all while they’re holding a double digit advantage in the generics and all signs point to them retaking the House.

Meanwhile, there’s actual silence on who will take over for Ryan when his likely successor is under investigations for enabling a sex predator at the college where he worked. Jordan is likely to succeed Ryan, and yet there’s nary a word about that whole scandal or that the GOP seems perfectly fine with an enabler of sex crimes.

Of course, the GOP elected a self admitted sex predator to the WH and nearly elected an accused child molester to the AL Senate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:20:51pm

“The Non-Prophets Show” (part of the Atheist Community of Austin) takes apart the wingnut woman on Facebook who claimed that “men prefer women who are virgins, and debt- and tattoo-free, and of meek-spirit.”

That woman also claimed women should not attend college because it instills promiscuous secular values in women.

(8:33, NSFW for coarse language)

Men Prefer Debt Free Virgins? | The Non-Prophets 17.13

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Chrysicat  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:23:10pm

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, trying to watch porn on dial-up sucked, didn’t it?

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Not as much as being one of the last families on dialup around 2005, and thus having to try running all your torrenting (shockingly, for legal, and probably-valid-by-the-college’s-definition, reasons too, since they offered free net access for your personal machines—mainly, I was trying to get Ragnarok Online to install) while you were on campus instead… :-P

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:23:20pm

I also used to rock this thing when I was a kid:

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:25:32pm

re: #279 PhillyPretzel

Me too. My kid sister took all of the wires and threw them out. :(
I think mine was a 50 in one.

My mother first got me involved in electronics by buying me a crystal radio set kit for my tenth birthday. (After that, I started putting kits together, working up to a Heathkit amateur radio set.)

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Chrysicat  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:26:19pm

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

“Travel” sized toys and especially games. You just don’t have as much experience with them if you weren’t born between ‘76 and maybe ‘85. Those and Skill Squares.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:26:41pm

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

The enemy of my enemy is not my friend, she is my enemy’s enemy.

I propose a less pessimistic version of this maxim: “The enemy of my enemy is my asset.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:27:07pm

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

I also used to rock this thing when I was a kid:

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Face it, we’re all old. (I’m still not as old as my mother though, so there’s that.)

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:30:01pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:31:47pm

re: #265 Anymouse 🌹

I updated that later in the thread.

Yeah, I’m way behind today—sorry!

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:32:20pm

re: #286 Anymouse 🌹

Anything I liked my kid sister broke it. If I liked a certain book it would disappear. If liked a particular blouse it would be in her closet. My kid sister took my favorite blouse and hid it underneath her bed. It was missing for weeks. My mom cleaned up her room and found the rumpled blouse. My mom washed it and ironed it and put it in her closet and told my sister not to try that again. My kid sister’s response was to trash my room. Mom got her for that one too.

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austin_blue  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:35:46pm

re: #234 dirkdigglerjr

Had WAYYY too much fun playing text-based games such as Zork I, II, III and The Witness on my Commodore 64. Damn I’m old!

The precursor to Zork 1 was Colossal Cave, which I played in the summer on an extra terminal my dad had in his office at his new (a Medical Group) office after he retired. It was a DEC PDP-11 running a very early version of UNIX, so around ‘76?

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Varek Raith  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:37:38pm

Pokemon?
WHERE.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:40:58pm

re: #290 JordanRules

How many Americans will have the will to lock up 20 or more Republican congressmen when everything comes out? Were we a lesser nation, this would be solved by foreign powers, but it’s going to take us.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:45:41pm

Was a Muppet Just Spotted on Mars?

University of Arizona astronomers spotted an… unusual-looking formation near Mars’ South Pole. (Muppet Labs could not be reached for comment.) Credit: NASA/JPL/University of Arizona; (inset) Andrea McCallin/ABC via Getty Images
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Belafon  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:51:21pm

re: #296 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Kind of looks like a dog to me.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:53:16pm

re: #291 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, I’m way behind today—sorry!

S’alright. I get behind here as well, and respond to something only to see that the person I am responding to changed her or his position fifty comments later or qualified it in some way.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:53:39pm

re: #295 Belafon

How many Americans will have the will to lock up 20 or more Republican congressmen when everything comes out? Were we a lesser nation, this would be solved by foreign powers, but it’s going to take us.

I don’t think we’ll have the will so foreign money may continue to influence us greatly.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:55:22pm

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹

S’alright. I get behind here as well, and respond to something only to see that the person I am responding to changed her or his position fifty comments later or qualified it in some way.

This is why I run in Spy mode. Latest comments are always right at the top, so that way I’m less likely to stick my foot in my mouth. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, though.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:58:56pm
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William Lewis  Aug 17, 2018 • 6:59:32pm

re: #278 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Everything he wrote after his stroke (i.e., everything after The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress) was just embarrassing—would never have been published with any other name on them.

Eh, I’d argue Job was ok & I enjoyed the central conceit of “Number of the Beast” (multiple universes based on what is fiction in one universe being real in another) though the rest I read more from the “how wacky is it going to be this time” perspective.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:00:16pm

I appreciate him so much for not backing down.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:07:14pm

re: #111 gocart mozart

That explains a lot.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:07:29pm

re: #295 Belafon

How many Americans will have the will to lock up 20 or more Republican congressmen when everything comes out? Were we a lesser nation, this would be solved by foreign powers, but it’s going to take us.

Dirty Russian money all the way down. Hello city councilmen etc.

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Kragar  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:10:59pm
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:11:53pm

re: #305 Unshaken Defiance

Yes. The rot has gone that deep. Even some of my fellow committee people think (if you can call it that) that DT is the best we ever had. I do not say much at these meetings but I make my voice heard in the voting booth.

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austin_blue  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:15:30pm

re: #302 William Lewis

Eh, I’d argue Job was ok & I enjoyed the central conceit of “Number of the Beast” (multiple universes based on what is fiction in one universe being real in another) though the rest I read more from the “how wacky is it going to be this time” perspective.

Really. It wasn’t like he ever entered L.Ron territory.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:15:40pm

Yikes.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:18:23pm

re: #309 JordanRules

Thanks for putting me at 27,000 Karma. That makes my day a little bit better. :)

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austin_blue  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:19:05pm

re: #309 JordanRules

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Yikes.

A car, a lonely track in the Highlands, a spade, a shallow grave.

And a good cleaning of the car with bleach.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:21:18pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:21:43pm

re: #302 William Lewis

Eh, I’d argue Job was ok & I enjoyed the central conceit of “Number of the Beast” (multiple universes based on what is fiction in one universe being real in another) though the rest I read more from the “how wacky is it going to be this time” perspective.

I credit Number of the Beast with curing me of the Many Worlds Interpretation—If Mars and Earth (for example) have been disjoint for 4.5 billion years, what determines which Mars you land on? Pure chance? A planetwide Schrödinger’s Cat?

If you argue Mars and Earth have been “swapping spit” all along and therefore aren’t technically separate, switch it to another Solar System….

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austin_blue  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:21:44pm

re: #311 austin_blue

A car, a lonely track in the Highlands, a spade, a shallow grave.

And a good cleaning of the car with bleach.

And yes, yes, I know noone died, but that would be a great baseline plot for a BBC noir series.

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Chrysicat  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:22:02pm

re: #299 JordanRules

So then the “XVIII-Century Poland” model? Let’s hope not—that ended in partition and the country didn’t exist for 125 years…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:23:21pm

re: #310 PhillyPretzel

Thanks for putting me at 27,000 Karma. That makes my day a little bit better. :)

Apparently I crossed 30,000 comments tonight and totally didn’t notice.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:24:29pm

re: #310 PhillyPretzel

Thanks for putting me at 27,000 Karma. That makes my day a little bit better. :)

Woot!!
Happy to spread the love, especially after the rough start to your day.
Hope your co-worker is recovering well.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:25:29pm

re: #316 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That is okay. I was just looking for something to cheer me up. For me 27,000 is a good number. :)

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:25:50pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Fox News money corrupts absolutely. Yeah, Tucker was a dipshit years ago on CNN. But not the white supremacist, utterly ignorant dipshit he plays today. In so many ways, he is no different (if not even worse) than the televangelist grifter who pries money from destitute hillbillies.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:26:57pm

re: #317 JordanRules

Me too. He and I went through training together. 12 almost 13 years ago.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:28:19pm

re: #315 Chrysicat

So then the “XVIII-Century Poland” model? Let’s hope not—that ended in partition and the country didn’t exist for 125 years…

I don’t know, but we’ll probably keep trucking along as we have after every other time we didn’t self-correct like I think we should have and the divides will deepen. Eventually something will give but probably not any time soon.

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austin_blue  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:29:41pm

re: #314 austin_blue

And yes, yes, I know noone died, but that would be a great baseline plot for a BBC noir series.

Oh, and would someone help me with the math here and define the term “partner”?

>>A Scottish dad reported missing by his partner of 27 years turned up in the US married to a secret lover.

Malcolm McGregor’s family called in cops after he vanished from the home he shared with childhood sweetheart Cheryl Cowie, 37, in Motherwell, Scotland. The town is about 15 miles southeast of Glasgow.

But the shameless McGregor was seen beaming in wedding snaps after fleeing to Utah to marry new wife Bell Valek after wooing her on Facebook.

Cops launched a hunt when the 38-year-old failed to return home to worried Cowie and their two kids.<<

I’m thinking only Priests, Youth Ministers, Cubmasters, and related child rapists routinely use this term, given the ages of the principals when they “partnered” up.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:35:10pm

re: #316 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Apparently I crossed 30,000 comments tonight and totally didn’t notice.

And you’ll hit 80k karma soon!

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:37:05pm

re: #322 austin_blue

Oh, and would someone help me with the math here and define the term “partner”?

>>A Scottish dad reported missing by his partner of 27 years turned up in the US married to a secret lover.

Malcolm McGregor’s family called in cops after he vanished from the home he shared with childhood sweetheart Cheryl Cowie, 37, in Motherwell, Scotland. The town is about 15 miles southeast of Glasgow.

But the shameless McGregor was seen beaming in wedding snaps after fleeing to Utah to marry new wife Bell Valek after wooing her on Facebook.

Cops launched a hunt when the 38-year-old failed to return home to worried Cowie and their two kids.<<

I’m thinking only Priests, Youth Ministers, Cubmasters, and related child rapists routinely use this term, given the ages of the principals when they “partnered” up.

It’s what LGBT folks have used for a really long time and now is very common in describing hetero relationships too.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:37:48pm

re: #282 lawhawk

Allow the contrarian viewpoint from a former journalist. Pelosi is THE issue for the GOP in the election, just as she was in 2006. The fact that so many Democrats have been running away from her in special elections is newsworthy, along with the fact that there is at least an internal rumbling within existing members. That being said, no minority leader has been more successful at holding her party together in opposition. Personally, I think Pelosi survives, but I certainly would not fault a paper speculating about potential changes in top Democratic leadership.

At the same time, I would also be pursuing the Jordan angle full stop. If anything, the OSU football inquiry has unfortunately all but terminated the focus on Jordan. From that perspective, the NYT is definitely failing in its mission.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:40:27pm

LOL thread

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:46:12pm

re: #326 JordanRules

LOL thread

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I neither enough heads or enough desks to adequately express how I feel about this.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:47:06pm

Beto took on the kneeling during the anthem question:

O’Rourke: Thank you Thanks for a great question—again on a really tough issue, that if we don’t talk about is not going to get better. The question is: how do you feel about NFL players who take a knee during the national anthem, and is it disrespectful to this country, to the flag, to service members who are right there tonight—where it is tonight in Afghanistan—and those former service members retirees and veterans who are here with us today? Thank you each for your service. My short answer is no. I don’t think it’s disrespectful. Here’s my longer answer.

[Applause]
But I’ll try to make sure I get this right because I think this is a really important question, and reasonable people, reasonable people can disagree on this issue. Let’s begin there—and it makes them no less American to come down on a different conclusion on this issue. Right? You can feel as the young man does, you can feel as I do. You’re every bit as American all the same.
But I’m reminded, somebody mentioned reading the Taylor Branch book Parting The Waters, and the King years, and when you read that book and find out what Dr. King and this non-violent, peaceful movement to secure better—because they didn’t get full—civil rights for their fellow American, the challenges they faced—those who died in Philadelphia, Mississippi for the crime of trying to be a man, trying to be a woman in this country. The young girls who died in the church bombing, those who were beaten within an inch of their life crossing the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama, with John Lewis. Those who were punched in the face, spat upon, dragged out by their collar at the Woolworth lunch counter, for sitting with white people at the same lunch counter, in the same country where their fathers may have bled the same blood on the battlefields of Omaha Beach or Okinawa or anywhere that anyone ever served this country.
The freedoms that we have were purchased not just by those in uniform—and they definitely were—but also by those who took their lives into their hands riding those Greyhound buses, the Freedom Riders in the deep south; and in 1960, who knew well that they would be arrested and they were—serving time in the Mississippi State Penitentiary. Rosa Parks getting from the back of the bus to the front of the bus.
Peaceful, non-violent protests—including taking a knee at a football game—to point out that black men, unarmed; black teenagers, unarmed; and black children, unarmed; are being killed at a frightening level right now, including by members of law enforcement without accountability and without justice. And this problem, as grave as it is, is not going to fix itself. And they’re frustrated, frankly, with people like me, and those in positions of public trust and power, who have been unable to resolve this or bring justice for what has been done, and to stop it from continuing to happen in this country.
And so non-violently, peacefully, while the eyes of this country are watching these games, they take a knee to bring our attention and our focus to this problem to ensure that we fix it. That is why they are doing it. And I can think of nothing more American than to peacefully, standing up, or taking a knee, for or your rights, anytime, anywhere, in any place. But thank you very much for asking the question.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:51:22pm

re: #328 Belafon

That gentleman is good!!!
I am really clapping in my kitchen.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:52:20pm

re: #328 Belafon

Wow.

With all the fucking craziness in this country I’d forgotten what a real politician sounded like.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:53:13pm

re: #328 Belafon

Beto took on the kneeling during the anthem question:

If Cruz has been asked the same question the answers need to be juxtaposed. Cruz’s answer will only cement his core; Beto’s will draw in others who may not have been paying attention.

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mmmirele  Aug 17, 2018 • 7:55:06pm

re: #283 Anymouse 🌹

“The Non-Prophets Show” (part of the Atheist Community of Austin) takes apart the wingnut woman on Facebook who claimed that “men prefer women who are virgins, and debt- and tattoo-free, and of meek-spirit.”

That woman also claimed women should not attend college because it instills promiscuous secular values in women.

(8:33, NSFW for coarse language)

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That woman is named Lori Alexander, she lives in Southern California and she is a first-class hypocrite. She tells women not to get a college degree, but she has a education degree. The reason she became a stay at home mother? She put a hole in her diaphragm so her husband Ken would get her preggers and she could be a SAHM.

lorialexander.blogspot.com (not advising you go there, just to point up this woman’s hypocrisy)

She tells women to stay at home, but she’s always had “help” (read maid, nanny, whatever) because her health is somewhat delicate.

Lori Alexander pisses me off, because she holds herself up as an example and mentor to married women, and basically she tells them to lock themselves up in chains to their husbands. I will spare you my four letter vocabulary to demonstrate how I truly feel about Lori.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:00:29pm

re: #325 dirkdigglerjr

It’s usually the amount of coverage for “Democrats in Disarray” stories along with the framing of it that I take issue with. It means something else more worthy is not getting the light it needs and you drew that line right into your 2nd paragraph which I agree with.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:04:38pm

re: #331 Barefoot Grin

People also need to know that a former Green Beret named Nate Boyer talked with and approved of Colin Kaepernick’s actions.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:04:55pm

A comment at Daily Kos brought up something that is a really interesting thought: If he won, would you support Beto running for president in 2020?

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:07:24pm

Imagine making Texas even remotely at play in 2020. The amount of money the GOP would have to spend here would be huge.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:07:36pm

Good amplification thread from Hillary.

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Chrysicat  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:08:49pm

re: #335 Belafon

A comment at Daily Kos brought up something that is a really interesting thought: If he won, would you support Beto running for president in 2020?

No, because I’m worried he’d be replaced by another Republican. Abbott would get to appoint his temp replacement, and that’s a big advantage for the special election.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:10:27pm

re: #335 Belafon

A comment at Daily Kos brought up something that is a really interesting thought: If he won, would you support Beto running for president in 2020?

No. I would want him to earn his chops first in the Senate.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:14:14pm

re: #339 Bubblehead II

No. I would want him to earn his chops first in the Senate.

He’s been a Congressman since 2013.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:14:45pm

re: #334 dirkdigglerjr

People also need to know that a former Green Beret named Nate Boyer talked with and approved of Colin Kaepernick’s actions.

And exactly how is kneeling “less respectful” than standing? The next step from there is prostration, and then the kowtow. These complainers are so ignorant it boggles the mind.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:15:46pm

re: #316 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Apparently I crossed 30,000 comments tonight and totally didn’t notice.

I surpassed 109,000 karma points tonight and didn’t notice either.

Can we trade these points in to Mr. Johnson for valuable gifts? Use them like 1% cash back on a credit card or something? /s

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:15:53pm

Plus, he was in a band.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:16:02pm

re: #333 JordanRules

“Democrats in Disarray” has been an angle since Will Rogers. Always has been and always will be for journalists. What I wonder is why Democratic leaders aren’t getting themselves out front with journalists and the sabbath gasbags. Say you are going to hold hearings on Trump’s tax returns. Pledge that you will let Mueller complete his findings. Advance the idea of Medicare-for-all. Defer any mention of impeachment for later. Talk about what you WILL do. Give people a reason to return to sanity, decorum and common sense. The fact that the NYT feels a need to write these type of articles is also an indictment (whether fair of not) of the current Democratic leadership.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:19:30pm

re: #344 dirkdigglerjr

“Democrats in Disarray” has been an angle since Will Rogers. Always has been and always will be for journalists. What I wonder is why Democratic leaders aren’t getting themselves out front with journalists and the sabbath gasbags. Say you are going to hold hearings on Trump’s tax returns. Pledge that you will let Mueller complete his findings. Advance the idea of Medicare-for-all. Defer any mention of impeachment for later. Talk about what you WILL do. Give people a reason to return to sanity, decorum and common sense. The fact that the NYT feels a need to write these type of articles is also an indictment (whether fair of not) of the current Democratic leadership.

We’ve talked about this before, but Democrats are talking, and they’re proposing bills. And the NYT writes about them being in disarray.

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Weaselone  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:20:54pm

re: #344 dirkdigglerjr

What I wonder is why Democratic leaders aren’t getting themselves out front with journalists and the sabbath gasbags. Say you are going to hold hearings on Trump’s tax returns. Pledge that you will let Mueller complete his findings. Advance the idea of Medicare-for-all. Defer any mention of impeachment for later. Talk about what you WILL do. Give people a reason to return to sanity, decorum and common sense.

Do you not actually pay attention? The Democrats do exactly as you recommend, but it doesn’t get them time in front of the journalists and sabbath gasbags.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:23:54pm

re: #340 Belafon

He’s been a Congressman since 2013.

My bad. I was thinking Randy Bryce, AKA Iron Stache (and the house). Thanks for the correction.

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b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:28:02pm

re: #328 Belafon

Beto took on the kneeling during the anthem question:

Thank God that the GOP has laser like focus on the socialist infiltration of a assured Dem House seat in NY.

Let them keep aiming at those windmills.

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plansbandc  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:29:00pm
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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:29:26pm

re: #346 Weaselone

Then demand the time. I tune in thinking there will be a Democratic rep. Crickets. I’m in the area where 75 percent voted for Trump. We at least have Dems running this time around here. But the national party needs to get out front. The GOP had the “Contract (On) America” in 1994. We need a true Contract For America that gets heard loud and clear. It’s only democracy and the rule of law that is at stake.

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b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:29:35pm

re: #339 Bubblehead II

No. I would want him to earn his chops first in the Senate.

Remember the last horrible thing that happened when we elected a guy who was only in the senate 2 years!!

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:29:45pm

re: #346 Weaselone

Do you not actually pay attention? The Democrats do exactly as you recommend, but it doesn’t get them time in front of the journalists and sabbath gasbags.

Yeah. I don’t know what else to say but this. And it’s the reason I try to post here when Dems do ALL of these things and the press doesn’t cover it and then runs with pretty inaccurate narratives.

Also, to suggest that’s just the way it is in some ways, reaffirms my call for more diversity in the newsrooms, executive suites and ownership towers.

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VegasGolfer  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:30:52pm

re: #340 Belafon

He’s been a Congressman since 2013.

Thank you. I’m getting tired of everybody taking “he needs experience”, “let him run for lower office first” talk. If the right person comes along at the right time that can motivate and inspire people, and is capable, that should be good enough (it would be for me).

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:33:22pm

re: #353 VegasGolfer

Thank you. I’m getting tired of everybody taking “he needs experience”, “let him run for lower office first” talk. If the right person comes along at the right time that can motivate and inspire people, and is capable, that should be good enough (it would be for me).

Well, President Obama and President Lincoln had roughly the same experience (lawyers, then Illinois legislature, the US legislature, then President).

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:36:01pm

re: #352 JordanRules

Will not disagree with you there. In my 20-year journalism career, there was 1 African-American on staff and he was so good that he was hired away by a much larger paper within 6 months.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:37:00pm

re: #350 dirkdigglerjr

Then demand the time. I tune in thinking there will be a Democratic rep. Crickets. I’m in the area where 75 percent voted for Trump. We at least have Dems running this time around here. But the national party needs to get out front. The GOP had the “Contract (On) America” in 1994. We need a true Contract For America that gets heard loud and clear. It’s only democracy and the rule of law that is at stake.

A lot of them are busy trying to get kids out of cages, while writing laws trying to protect our elections and on and on… because democracy and rule of law are at stake right now.

How does Pelosi demand they cover her press briefings on the critical issue of separated immigrant families when they are covering a hate rally? I try to at least let people know you can watch it on Facebook live.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:38:36pm

re: #351 b.d.(great patriot hostage)

Remember the last horrible thing that happened when we elected a guy who was only in the senate 2 years!!

//

Yeah, I do. I really miss him

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wheat-dogg  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:39:05pm

re: #193 Patricia Kayden

Isn’t this Schaeffer the guy helped create the Religious Right back when?

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plansbandc  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:41:05pm

I’ve been very “Oh My God, Kate Bush is THE Artist of the Eighties no lie don’t fight me” lately. But her music has really been resonating with me in these fucked up times.

Just love her so.

Kate Bush - Army Dreamers - Official Music Video

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:44:58pm

re: #356 JordanRules

Do what the Rs do. Send a rookie or 2nd-term vet out there to deliver a well-honed message. Make headlines. Say Trump is the Manchurian Candidate brought to life. Ask why “the people” can’t have the same health care as members of Congress. Bottom line is: Get a message out. I’m a 24/7 NPR/blog/news junkie. I can tell you from here that there isn’t a message outside of Tom Steyer’s commercials.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:45:51pm

re: #358 wheat-dogg

He is the son who rejected his dad’s grifting.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:47:32pm

re: #359 plansbandc

Always loved her Don’t Give Up duet with Peter Gabriel.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:49:46pm
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garzooma  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:51:17pm

re: #360 dirkdigglerjr

Do what the Rs do. Send a rookie or 2nd-term vet out there to deliver a well-honed message. Make headlines. Say Trump is the Manchurian Candidate brought to life. Ask why “the people” can’t have the same health care as members of Congress. Bottom line is: Get a message out. I’m a 24/7 NPR/blog/news junkie. I can tell you from here that there isn’t a message outside of Tom Steyer’s commercials.

I’d also like to see the issue raised on the websites, like Eric Swalwell.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:51:28pm

re: #341 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I would love to see the NFL players conspire to do “kneel down” plays for the entire 1st quarter of the first games in September just to show who actually rules the league. Could you imagine the outcry of the players not willing to bash in each others skulls for 15 minutes?

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wheat-dogg  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:57:01pm

re: #361 dirkdigglerjr

He is the son who rejected his dad’s grifting.

Ah, OK. Still an expert voice, but one that the RR will ignore as apostate.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 8:58:33pm

re: #360 dirkdigglerjr

Do what the Rs do. Send a rookie or 2nd-term vet out there to deliver a well-honed message. Make headlines. Say Trump is the Manchurian Candidate brought to life. Ask why “the people” can’t have the same health care as members of Congress. Bottom line is: Get a message out. I’m a 24/7 NPR/blog/news junkie. I can tell you from here that there isn’t a message outside of Tom Steyer’s commercials.

You might be too entrenched with top down thinking, messaging and organizing. We’re bottom up and it’s the only way you get people to do the work, educate and involve the citizenry, chip away at apathy, respect politics as local and hold a crazy big and diverse coalition together. We do not elect Moore and Cunningham with the same message.

You have to address all of it. There is no magic bullet. Obama may seem like a counter example at first blush, but he’s really not. OFA did it on the ground but by bit. There is no way around doing the work. It’s why his foundation is focusing on training young leaders in how to serve their communities.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 17, 2018 • 9:00:39pm
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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 17, 2018 • 9:11:26pm

re: #367 JordanRules

I get what you are saying. But there remains a reason why the poor whites mark the R box instead of the D around here. A good chunk of it is God, Guns and Gays. But another part is the inability of the Ds to deliver a coherent message to the furniture worker about how the Rs keep screwing him over, especially on health care, education and retirement. This is fertile ground that can be converted. But they need to be asked first.

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b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)  Aug 17, 2018 • 9:13:10pm

re: #368 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Arm the cheerleaders.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 17, 2018 • 9:18:12pm

re: #370 b.d.(great patriot hostage)

Arm the cheerleaders.

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JordanRules  Aug 17, 2018 • 9:28:45pm

re: #369 dirkdigglerjr

I get what you are saying. But there remains a reason why the poor whites mark the R box instead of the D around here. A good chunk of it is God, Guns and Gays. But another part is the inability of the Ds to deliver a coherent message to the furniture worker about how the Rs keep screwing him over, especially on health care, education and retirement. This is fertile ground that can be converted. But they need to be asked first.

I get that too but it just doesn’t wash for me.
The media gives the WWC plenty of attention and they keep going back to their economic anxiety even though most research shows that’s really not the issue. Hell, many of them say that’s not the issue. Bullshit like MS-13 is. I remember the lady that said she voted for Trump even though it meant her disabled son would likely lose healthcare and die. Unless the message is how to deprogram people, I got nothin’.

I’m okay with Dems finally putting some focus on other parts of the coalition and registering new voters. Wish the media could also focus on that more and all the people working on the ground and stop conflating working class with white folks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2018 • 4:33:52am

re: #324 JordanRules

It’s what LGBT folks have used for a really long time and now is very common in describing hetero relationships too.

I think what Austin is actually asking, in terms of math, is how is it that they have been “partners” for 27 years, given their current ages of 37 and 38.


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