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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 11:55:42am

Giuliani said the Trump campaign “didn’t know” that Natalia Veselnitskaya “was a representative of the Russian government” or even Russian.

Emails between Trump Jr., and his father’s business associate — emails that the younger Trump himself published — directly contradict Giuliani’s assertion.

Those emails show Trump senior’s business associate Rob Goldstone telling the younger Trump that a “Russian government attorney” would be willing to meet with Trump Jr. to supply the campaign with incriminating evidence against Clinton.

The younger Trump replied: “If it’s what you say I love it” — and several days later, the meeting took place.

We rate this Pants on Fire!

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Kragar  Aug 20, 2018 • 11:56:53am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2018 • 11:56:54am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 20, 2018 • 11:57:57am

re: #1 Belafon

NEW: Rudy Giuliani said the Trump campaign had no reason to think a key participant in the controversial Trump Tower meeting was working on behalf of Moscow — or even that she was Russian.

Raise your hand if you think RWNJ would for a second have accepted this answer from HRC or HRC lawyers if the situation had been reversed.

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2018 • 11:58:00am

re: #1 Belafon

Put in terms that Rudy can understand.

Mr. 9/11 Rudy is pulling fire can’t melt steel 9/11 hoax-level bullshit.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 11:58:23am
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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 11:58:24am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

A stance I have never gotten from the Bible. God won’t let his anger lead him to try to destroy mankind. But He rarely stepped in and saves people from themselves.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 11:58:38am

LOfuckingL

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 11:59:42am

re: #7 Belafon

A stance I have never gotten from the Bible. God won’t let his anger lead him to try to destroy mankind. But He rarely stepped in and saves people from themselves.

Not rarely, never. Gods are imaginary, and a real god would not have an anger problem.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:02:26pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOfuckingL

They’re just laughing at us.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:02:32pm

re: #9 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Not rarely, never. Gods are imaginary, and a real god would not have an anger problem.

I’m basing it on my reading of the Bible. I don’t believe it, but if they’re going to, I think they should understand the way things were done better.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:03:04pm
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Teukka  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:03:54pm

Hanif Bali, a MP for the Swedish Conservative party, has posed with an (semi-)automatic weapon after some people at Dagens Nyheter got upset after Skyttedal posed with a weapon, hoping to “give them a heart attack”.

Looks like the “enemy of the state” narrative is spreading to other places…

DN Original
SvD Original

How many tables and much napalm are we going to need? (semi-///)
*sighs*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:04:42pm
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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:04:46pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Rudy fails to understand Obama’s red line.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:05:13pm

re: #1 Belafon

NEW: Rudy Giuliani said the Trump campaign had no reason to think a key participant in the controversial Trump Tower meeting was working on behalf of Moscow — or even that she was Russian.

I thought the meeting was about adoptions. Russian adoptions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:05:28pm

re: #15 Belafon

And Rudy fails to understand Obama’s red line.

you could have just stopped there

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:05:52pm

re: #16 Sir John Barron

I thought the meeting was about adoptions. Russian adoptions.

/

The Russians were looking into adopting GOP leaders.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:08:58pm

Why so many white evangelicals in Trump’s base are deeply skeptical of climate change

“As a Christian, I believe that there is a creator in God who is much bigger than us,” Rep. Tim Walberg (R-Mich.), a graduate of evangelical schools Taylor University and Wheaton College, said at a town hall last week in Coldwater, Mich. “And I’m confident that, if there’s a real problem, he can take care of it.”

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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:09:14pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOfuckingL

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Heh, she said “in today’s global society.”

Melania is a globalist!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:09:37pm

re: #18 Belafon

The Russians were looking into adopting GOP leaders.

It was just easier to blackmail them with a hot redhead!

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Teukka  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:09:37pm

re: #13 Teukka

Hanif Bali, a MP for the Swedish Conservative party, has posed with an (semi-)automatic weapon after some people at Dagens Nyheter got upset after Skyttedal posed with a weapon, hoping to “give them a heart attack”.

Looks like the “enemy of the state” narrative is spreading to other places…

DN Original
SvD Original

How many tables and much napalm are we going to need? (semi-///)
*sighs*

Picked the big fours tweets on said issue:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:12:44pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Why so many white evangelicals in Trump’s base are deeply skeptical of climate change

They will continue to utter the same bullshit after Florida sinks into the ocean.

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Varek Raith  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:14:43pm

re: #23 Joe Bacon 🌹

They will continue to utter the same bullshit after Florida sinks into the ocean.

And then blame liberals for not doing anything about AGW.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:14:57pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

My Christian family members tell me there’s nothing in the Bible that suggests God would save our asses from our own stupidity.

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Kragar  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:15:10pm

re: #23 Joe Bacon 🌹

They will continue to utter the same bullshit after Florida sinks into the ocean.

“Before we let you board the Survival Ark, we need to ask you just one question: Are you an Evangelical?”
“Yes!”
“No Ark for you, but don’t worry, I’m sure God will take care of you.”

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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:15:14pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

you could have just stopped there

Rudy has me wondering how he ever got a law license, became a prosecutor and then mayor of America’s largest city.

Or, he is playing dumb to fit in with Trump?

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:17:48pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:21:06pm

re: #27 ObserverArt

Rudy has me wondering how he ever got a law license, became a prosecutor and then mayor of America’s largest city.

Or, he is playing dumb to fit in with Trump.

Maybe he went nuts with the rest of the brainwashed Republicans.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:21:21pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Why so many white evangelicals in Trump’s base are deeply skeptical of climate change

I use to hear this same bullshit from evangelicals when I was active duty in the South. They actually believe God won’t let man destroy the earth.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:21:50pm

I suspect this is less about Democrats no longer believing in bipartisanship, and more about what they’re being asked to compromise about, and what ‘compromise’ with the GOP as currently constituted would mean. Remember the two immigration bills? One was totally batshit crazy, and the other one, the ‘compromise’ bill was a compromise between batshit crazy and simply nuts. Plus, you know, compromising with authoritarians is basically incremental authoritarianism.

We tried compromising. Obama bent over backwards compromising. A number of times he reached a compromise with Boehner based on the GOP’s stated positions, then Boehner’s caucus demanded EVEN MORE than their ORIGINAL position. How do you strike a deal with people like that?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:22:24pm

Reload #31.

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:22:38pm

re: #28 Big Beautiful Door

[I will quibble a bit. I think its mainly driven by donations from fossil fuel companies.]

Man, it’s almost like a whole lot of people are motivated by money, and everything else in their lives is some kind of justification or a profit opportunity. Or both.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:24:16pm

got my adrenaline rush for the month…stepped on a huge black/rat snake in the front yard.

not certain which of us was freaked out the most as we rapidly scooted off in opposite directions.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:24:26pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

If you lock yourself in a closet and are hungery, you can pray for food days at a time for God’s help.

He still won’t squirt those chili dogs thru the keyhole.

And he knows that.

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Kragar  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:24:46pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:25:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:25:29pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:25:35pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

got my adrenaline rush for the month…stepped on a huge black/rat snake in the front yard.

not certain which of us was freaked out the most as we rapidly scooted off in opposite directions.

I’m glad you both retained scootability.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:27:12pm

We don’t hear enough from ‘Crazy Eyes’ lately…
//

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:27:59pm

re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White

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I suspect this is less about Democrats no longer believing in bipartisanship, and more about what they’re being asked to compromise about, and what ‘compromise’ with the GOP as currently constituted would mean. Remember the two immigration bills? One was totally batshit crazy, and the other one, the ‘compromise’ bill was a compromise between batshit crazy and simply nuts. Plus, you know, compromising with authoritarians is basically incremental authoritarianism.

We tried compromising. Obama bent over backwards compromising. A number of times he reached a compromise with Boehner based on the GOP’s stated positions, then Boehner’s caucus demanded EVEN MORE than their ORIGINAL position. How do you strike a deal with people like that?

Correct. If the Democrats gain control of Congress and the WH in the 2020 election, they shouldn’t even try to make bipartisan deals with the GOP (The Republicans sure don’t try now), and just concentrate and doing as much constructive work as they can for two years before the midterms. The GOP doesn’t bargain in good faith.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:29:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:29:55pm

re: #40 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

We don’t hear enough from ‘Crazy Eyes’ lately…
//

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I’ve been thinking the last few days that I need new eyeglasses…

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Sir John Barron  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:30:35pm

re: #40 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

We don’t hear enough from ‘Crazy Eyes’ lately…
//

It’s their safe space.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:31:47pm

re: #28 Big Beautiful Door

In the future, whoever’s left will look back on this time and wonder what the actual fuck was wrong with half of America.

I mean, following this debate since the 1990s, one side has been constant - increasing amounts of manmade CO2 and other greenhouse gases will trap heat and increas the global temperature, having potentially devastating effects on climate.

The other side? The argument keeps changing. First it was “No, CO2 isn’t rising”.

Then it was “You all said a new Ice Age was coming!”

Then it was “There’s no warming!”

Then it was “Warming stopped in 1998!”

Now it’s “It’s a cycle!”

When your arguments keep changing but your position doesn’t, it’s because you didn’t arrive at that position through logic or reason or empirical observation.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:33:10pm

re: #40 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

We don’t hear enough from ‘Crazy Eyes’ lately…
//

Let’s remember who the real victims are here.

/////

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:33:59pm

No doubt due to plans to create the ‘Customs and Border Command’ under the control of DoD
// (half)

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:34:15pm

re: #45 Blind Frog Belly White

In the future, whoever’s left will look back on this time and wonder what the actual fuck was wrong with half of America.

I mean, following this debate since the 1990s, one side has been constant - increasing amounts of manmade CO2 and other greenhouse gases will trap heat and increas the global temperature, having potentially devastating effects on climate.

The other side? The argument keeps changing. First it was “No, CO2 isn’t rising”.

Then it was “You all said a new Ice Age was coming!”

Then it was “There’s no warming!”

Then it was “Warming stopped in 1998!”

Now it’s “It’s a cycle!”

When your arguments keep changing but your position doesn’t, it’s because you didn’t arrive at that position through logic or reason or empirical observation.

They arrived at it through big piles of cash, courtesy of the Kochs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:34:19pm

re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. “Agree to all our shit without complaint or we’ll shaft your constituents in any way possible!”

Is not a statement from a person looking to compromise.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:34:50pm

re: #46 Sir John Barron

Let’s remember who the real victims are here.

/////

We’re persecuting them by not letting them run everything.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:35:10pm

I think people don’t really get how much of the current horrible political climate is a direct result of the religious right’s decades-long campaign of indoctrination and seeking political power.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:35:14pm
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Sir John Barron  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:35:24pm

re: #47 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

No doubt due to plans to create the ‘Customs and Border Command’ under the control of DoD
// (half)

What’s the big deal? He likes the Congressional Black Caucus.

/

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Kragar  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:35:45pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:36:30pm

See and I, being from the North, always translate CBC as “Canadian Broadcasting Corporation”.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:37:06pm

If the fossil fuel industries stopped spending money on promoting climate change denial tomorrow, it would have no effect. After decades of this crap, it’s now a core Republican belief that climate change is a hoax, and they don’t need to be paid to continue spreading the poison.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:37:08pm

re: #48 Big Beautiful Door

They arrived at it through big piles of cash, courtesy of the Kochs.

The rank and vile of the Right don’t get cash from the Kochs. They still don’t believe in AGW. There’s more to it than money. It’s a religious belief for them, comprised of a number of things from ‘triggering the Libs’ to refusing to accept that there’s any limit on exploitation of natural resources.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:37:17pm

re: #54 Kragar

“You speak real good English for one of them. How long have you been in this country?”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:37:48pm

re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White

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I suspect this is less about Democrats no longer believing in bipartisanship, and more about what they’re being asked to compromise about, and what ‘compromise’ with the GOP as currently constituted would mean. Remember the two immigration bills? One was totally batshit crazy, and the other one, the ‘compromise’ bill was a compromise between batshit crazy and simply nuts. Plus, you know, compromising with authoritarians is basically incremental authoritarianism.

We tried compromising. Obama bent over backwards compromising. A number of times he reached a compromise with Boehner based on the GOP’s stated positions, then Boehner’s caucus demanded EVEN MORE than their ORIGINAL position. How do you strike a deal with people like that?

I remember some journalist or other asking a Repug what he meant by “compromise.” He said (in summary) it meant going along with him 100%.

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Varek Raith  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:38:07pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

See and I, being from the North, always translate CBC as “Canadian Broadcasting Corporation”.

Same.
Because sometimes public television airs of of its’ programming here.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:38:20pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:38:45pm

Well, we’re all pretty sure ‘someone’ can’t read english

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Varek Raith  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:41:17pm

re: #62 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, we’re all pretty sure ‘someone’ can’t read english

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Clearly a plot by Canada.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:41:18pm

re: #62 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This is odd. At a ceremony honoring Customs and Border Protection (CBP) @realDonaldTrump is repeatedly referring to the organization as “CBC”.

— John Roberts

Why is it odd? Have you listened to anything the moran has been saying for two years?

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:42:31pm

re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White

I suspect this is less about Democrats no longer believing in bipartisanship, and more about what they’re being asked to compromise about, and what ‘compromise’ with the GOP as currently constituted would mean. Remember the two immigration bills? One was totally batshit crazy, and the other one, the ‘compromise’ bill was a compromise between batshit crazy and simply nuts. Plus, you know, compromising with authoritarians is basically incremental authoritarianism.

We tried compromising. Obama bent over backwards compromising. A number of times he reached a compromise with Boehner based on the GOP’s stated positions, then Boehner’s caucus demanded EVEN MORE than their ORIGINAL position. How do you strike a deal with people like that?

Democrats would like Italian, but are open to Mexican or even a burger. Republicans want anthrax and tire irons. Why won’t Democrats compromise?! (Thanks to John Cole for the analogy.)

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:42:40pm

re: #57 Blind Frog Belly White

The rank and vile of the Right don’t get cash from the Kochs. They still don’t believe in AGW. There’s more to it than money. It’s a religious belief for them, comprised of a number of things from ‘triggering the Libs’ to refusing to accept that there’s any limit on exploitation of natural resources.

Because that’s what they are told; they are sheep. Lets say fossil fuel companies turned the spigot off, and lets say Big Nuclear starting dropping big money on the GOP and Rightwing media, and all of a sudden Fox News, Limbaugh and the Pulpit Pimps started talking about the need to build nuclear plants because God gave us Earth to tend like a garden. In no time at all, all the rightwing sheep would be convinced God wants us to replace coal fired plants with nuclear reactors.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:43:34pm

re: #54 Kragar

“Are you from Mexico? Did you come over when there wasn’t a wall? You agree there should be a Great Big Wall now right?”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:46:57pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

If the fossil fuel industries stopped spending money on promoting climate change denial tomorrow, it would have no effect. After decades of this crap, it’s now a core Republican belief that climate change is a hoax, and they don’t need to be paid to continue spreading the poison.

No immediate effect, but the absence of reinforcement would mean many of the non-rabid unbelievers (yes, they exist — most people just don’t follow the news on a daily basis) would drop off the deniers lists.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:47:41pm
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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:49:53pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Why so many white evangelicals in Trump’s base are deeply skeptical of climate change

“As a Christian, I believe that there is a creator in God who is much bigger than us,” Rep. Tim Walberg (R-Mich.), a graduate of evangelical schools Taylor University and Wheaton College, said at a town hall last week in Coldwater, Mich. “And I’m confident that, if there’s a real problem, he can take care of it.”

hold it just a minute there sparky
what if ‘god’ is on the other team’s side?

or for those who still don’t get it, what if god doesnt ‘take care of it’ the way you want?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:51:43pm

re: #66 Big Beautiful Door

Because that’s what they are told; they are sheep. Lets say fossil fuel companies turned the spigot off, and lets say Big Nuclear starting dropping big money on the GOP and Rightwing media, and all of a sudden Fox News, Limbaugh and the Pulpit Pimps started talking about the need to build nuclear plants because God gave us Earth to tend like a garden. In no time at all, all the rightwing sheep would be convinced God wants us to replace coal fired plants with nuclear reactors.

My experience tells me different. It’s not so much that they’re sheep as that they REALLY, REALLY want to believe it’s all a hoax, for a variety of reasons. The Kochs, Limbaugh, etc. provide them with the Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt they need to continue believing it’s a hoax, but there seems to be something deeper at work. I don’t understand the psychology behind it, but I have seen very rational people, guys who would shred the ridiculous illogical arguments of Creationists - “It’s all a plot by the Left; Scientists only say they believe it for that sweet, sweet grant money” etc - turn around and use THE SAME ARGUMENTS against AGW. They abandoned all reason and clung to any thin reed of counterevidence no matter how obviously it was bullshit.

Something deep and scary at work. Like the existence of AGW would attack some core foundation of their worldview.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:52:49pm

re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White

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I suspect this is less about Democrats no longer believing in bipartisanship, and more about what they’re being asked to compromise about, and what ‘compromise’ with the GOP as currently constituted would mean. Remember the two immigration bills? One was totally batshit crazy, and the other one, the ‘compromise’ bill was a compromise between batshit crazy and simply nuts. Plus, you know, compromising with authoritarians is basically incremental authoritarianism.

We tried compromising. Obama bent over backwards compromising. A number of times he reached a compromise with Boehner based on the GOP’s stated positions, then Boehner’s caucus demanded EVEN MORE than their ORIGINAL position. How do you strike a deal with people like that?

^^^ that part right there

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:52:58pm

re: #70 dangerman

hold it just a minute there sparky
what if ‘god’ is on the other team’s side?

or for those who still don’t get it, what if god doesnt ‘take care of it’ the way you want?

God might choose to take care of it by wiping out the worst polluters, for example. It’s not like there’s no biblical precedent.

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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:54:10pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

I think people don’t really get how much of the current horrible political climate is a direct result of the religious right’s decades-long campaign of indoctrination and seeking political power.

And the worst aspect of it all is the Right thinks it is godly…so that leaves the left as the sinners. That is the thinking. There can only be one that is right, the other just has to be wrong.

It is simpleton “us and them” thinking. And it just adds to a divide.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:54:38pm

re: #41 Big Beautiful Door

Correct. If the Democrats gain control of Congress and the WH in the 2020 election, they shouldn’t even try to make bipartisan deals with the GOP (The Republicans sure don’t try now), and just concentrate and doing as much constructive work as they can for two years before the midterms. The GOP doesn’t bargain in good faith.

and this

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danarchy  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:55:46pm

Speaking of all the anti-science sentiment, anti-vaxxers are the worst.

bbc.com

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Mattand  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:56:34pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

LOL, you almost got me with that one, until I saw the PatriotHole logo.

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Kragar  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:56:42pm
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Varek Raith  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:57:51pm

re: #76 danarchy

Speaking of all the anti-science sentiment, anti-vaxxers are the worst.

bbc.com

God dammit.

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2018 • 12:58:24pm

re: #76 danarchy

Know who is an anti-vaxxer (or at least anti-vaxxer curious)? This guy:

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:00:15pm

re: #58 Sir John Barron

“You speak real good English for one of them. How long have you been in this country?”

12 angry men:

the Bigot (#10):

Bright?
He’s a common, ignorant slob.
He don’t even speak good English.

the ‘foreigner’ (#11):

He doesn’t even speak good English.

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Skip Intro  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:02:11pm

re: #80 lawhawk

Know who is an anti-vaxxer (or at least anti-vaxxer curious)? This guy:

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Whose son Donny?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:02:18pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

See and I, being from the North, always translate CBC as “Canadian Broadcasting Corporation”.

Same here, because I’ve downloaded a lot of Canadian TV.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:02:21pm
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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:02:30pm

re: #73 Blind Frog Belly White

God might choose to take care of it by wiping out the worst polluters, for example. It’s not like there’s no biblical precedent.

exactly

and what if the other team is praying harder?

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:04:04pm

re: #74 ObserverArt

And the worst aspect of it all is the Right thinks it is godly…so that leaves the left as the sinners. That is the thinking. There can only be one that is right, the other just has to be wrong.

It is simpleton “us and them” thinking. And it just adds to a divide.

at which time i periodically bring this out:

principled opponents are welcome when politics is a clash of value systems, each of which is in some way valid; a competition between basically well-intentioned people who see the world differently.

when it becomes, not even a conflict of interests, but instead a “our team no matter what”, degenerative, brutal struggle for office in which one side with righteous indignation believes only the other is and can be capable of behaving despicably while they themselves run roughshod over it all, well then eff em without mercy

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:04:23pm

re: #85 dangerman

exactly

and what if the other team is praying harder?

Who’s god gonna destroy? The ones suffering the effects of the problem? Or the ones CAUSING the problem?

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:04:57pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

My experience tells me different. It’s not so much that they’re sheep as that they REALLY, REALLY want to believe it’s all a hoax, for a variety of reasons. The Kochs, Limbaugh, etc. provide them with the Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt they need to continue believing it’s a hoax, but there seems to be something deeper at work. I don’t understand the psychology behind it, but I have seen very rational people, guys who would shred the ridiculous illogical arguments of Creationists - “It’s all a plot by the Left; Scientists only say they believe it for that sweet, sweet grant money” etc - turn around and use THE SAME ARGUMENTS against AGW. They abandoned all reason and clung to any thin reed of counterevidence no matter how obviously it was bullshit.

Something deep and scary at work. Like the existence of AGW would attack some core foundation of their worldview.

I’ve noticed that some of the most fervent anti-warming people are the ones who would be most affected by it.

ETA: I really, really want it to be a hoax, too (the consequences are so horrifying) — but it’s not.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:06:00pm

re: #87 Blind Frog Belly White

Who’s god gonna destroy? The ones suffering the effects of the problem? Or the ones CAUSING the problem?

Neither. Expecting gods to solve our problems is exactly the same as sitting on our hands. It’s up to us to stop the people who are willing to kill to increase their profits.

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Skip Intro  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:06:23pm

re: #85 dangerman

exactly

and what if the other team is praying harder?

What if no one’s there to pray to?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:08:03pm

re: #89 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Neither. Expecting gods to solve our problems is exactly the same as sitting on our hands. It’s up to us to stop the people who are willing to kill to increase their profits.

Well, yeah. But I don’t believe in ANY gods, so this was more an exercise in pointing out how silly the ‘god wouldn’t let us fuck ourselves’ argument is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:08:23pm

re: #90 Skip Intro

What if no one’s there to pray to?

Narrator: There isn’t.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:09:05pm

re: #87 Blind Frog Belly White

Who’s god gonna destroy? The ones suffering the effects of the problem? Or the ones CAUSING the problem?

the ones who give more money ‘to him’ on sunday? /s

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Kragar  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:10:03pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:10:12pm

re: #92 Blind Frog Belly White

But also, the folks I know who think there IS a god don’t think its job is saving ourselves from ourselves, and indeed they believe that we’re the ones who are supposed to stop this kind of shit.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:10:19pm

re: #90 Skip Intro

What if no one’s there to pray to?

The lack of a response just means God is answering the prayer. // (sorta)

The point of some of our statements is for those who believe God will save them, not those of us here.

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:10:38pm

re: #88 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I’ve noticed that some of the most fervent anti-warming people are the ones who realize they would be most affected by it.

Added a bit.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:10:40pm

re: #90 Skip Intro

What if no one’s there to pray to?

oh i get that.
that is my personal position

still they cant answer what if god hears the other guy and not you

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:11:04pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:11:36pm

re: #96 Belafon

The lack of a response just means God is answering the prayer. // (sorta)

The point of some of our statements is for those who believe God will save them, not those of us here.

I don’t believe there’s anything in the bible that says just sit on your ass, God will take care of everything.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:11:48pm

re: #98 dangerman

oh i get that.
that is my personal position

still they cant answer what if god hears the other guy and not you

But how can that be, since God is a white guy?
///

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:12:37pm

re: #100 Skip Intro

I don’t believe there’s anything in the bible that says just sit on your ass, God will take care of everything.

“I sent you a jeep, I sent you a boat, I sent you a helicopter…”

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:14:23pm

re: #96 Belafon

The lack of a response just means God is answering the prayer. // (sorta)

The point of some of our statements is for those who believe God will save them, not those of us here.

i wrote an unpublished thought article years back putting to rest the notion of miracles and answered prayers. except as a semantics game, there can be no such thing as either one.

I’ll try and dig it up, give it some polish and post it here

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:14:31pm

Donnie spent the entire weekend and Monday morning attacking law enforcement and THEN has a photo-op praising ICE in the afternoon. Yes, Donnie’s message to his base is loud and clear.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:17:32pm

re: #101 Blind Frog Belly White

But how can that be, since God is a white guy?
///

just saw that episode of all in the family last week
its all still fresh and sadly, not much has changed

on national tv, archie bunkers says

‘junglebunny’

1972
just wow

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:18:38pm

re: #105 dangerman

just saw that episode of all in the family last week
its all still fresh and sadly, not much has changed

on national tv, archie bunkers says

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1972
just wow

Sounds about right for a 1972 bigot.

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Kragar  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:19:01pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:19:16pm

Like a blind pig, Tom Nichols occasionally finds an acorn.

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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:19:19pm

re: #100 Skip Intro

I don’t believe there’s anything in the bible that says just sit on your ass, God will take care of everything.

I don’t believe a lot of people actually really read the bible. Sure, they are Christians, but they let the pastors lead their thinking.

I think that is especially true of Evangelicals.

Their actual knowledge of the bible is taught to them in bible schools and then fed to them by their pastors/preachers. There is very little self teaching and wanting to understand for one’s own knowledge.

And then there are all those different versions of the bible…down to simplified paperbacks. It’s all just leading a bunch of sheep around by their noses, keeping them in line by threats of eternal doom.

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:19:45pm

re: #104 Dr. Matt

Donnie spent the entire weekend and Monday morning attacking law enforcement and THEN has a photo-op praising ICE in the afternoon. Yes, Donnie’s message to his base is loud and clear.

He spent the meeting at a photo op where he couldn’t get the name of one of these law enforcement organizations correct. He kept calling CBP, CBC.

It’s as though he’s got a blood test on his brain. It’s that or the Congressional Black Caucus (and yeah, it could be both).

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:21:37pm

re: #108 Blind Frog Belly White

Like a blind pig, Tom Nichols occasionally finds an acorn.

“And your primary job, MarkBot, is to choose from the available options in order to get closer to your goals.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:21:44pm

re: #109 ObserverArt

I don’t believe a lot of people actually really read the bible. Sure, they are Christians, but they let the pastors lead their thinking.

I think that is especially true of Evangelicals.

Their actual knowledge of the bible is taught to them in bible schools and then fed to them by their pastors/preachers. There is very little self teaching and wanting to understand for one’s own knowledge.

And then there are all those different versions of the bible…down to simplified paperbacks. It’s all just leading a bunch of sheep around by their noses, keeping them in line by threats of eternal doom.

Switching to English-language masses was supposed to move us away from authority figures controlling religious people’s minds, but it failed because most religious people do not want to think. They want to be fed religion.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:22:46pm

re: #109 ObserverArt

I don’t believe a lot of people actually really read the bible. Sure, they are Christians, but they let the pastors lead their thinking.

I think that is especially true of Evangelicals.

Their actual knowledge of the bible is taught to them in bible schools and then fed to them by their pastors/preachers. There is very little self teaching and wanting to understand for one’s own knowledge.

And then there are all those different versions of the bible…down to simplified paperbacks. It’s all just leading a bunch of sheep around by their noses, keeping them in line by threats of eternal doom.

Believers find the god they want. A lot find a comforting god who hates all the same people and thinks whatever they’re doing is just dandy. Some find a god who isn’t comforting and who challenges them to do and be more than they are. The Christian Conservatives are the former.

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gwangung  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:23:22pm

re: #111 Belafon

“And your primary job, MarkBot, is to choose from the available options in order to get closer to your goals.”

OR PUT UP A BETTER OPTION YOURSELF, YOU LAZY ASS.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:24:17pm

re: #108 Blind Frog Belly White

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Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:25:10pm

re: #108 Blind Frog Belly White

Like a blind pig, Tom Nichols occasionally finds an acorn.

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“I refuse to get involved in the process because none of the candidates excite me, which has nothing to do with my total lack of involvement in the process leading to the candidates who I support dropping from lack of votes!”

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Varek Raith  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:25:16pm

re: #115 GlutenFreeJesus

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Where’s the apple pie?!
;)

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Kragar  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:25:17pm
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jaunte  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:27:08pm
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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:27:08pm

re: #107 Kragar

@nielslesniewski
The NRCC just used this image in a fundraising email.
3:03 PM - Aug 20, 2018

Are there trying to draw a parallel of two obsolete items?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:27:33pm
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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:27:39pm

re: #118 Kragar

I figured “small nuclear war” was enough of a reason to vote against.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:27:54pm

re: #115 GlutenFreeJesus

He probably thinks of himself as a stupid Conservative, so the Democrat wasn’t even an option to him.

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Varek Raith  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:29:11pm

Anyone looking to be excited by a freaking politician has some….issues.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:29:26pm

re: #108 Blind Frog Belly White

Like a blind pig, Tom Nichols occasionally finds an acorn.

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mark smith is wrong here:

Tom, not one 2016 candidate in either party excited me. Lack of excitement leads to low voter turn out. The Parties have one primary job: present us with a short list of good options. The Parties are failing.

the party’s job is to organize primary voting of those who chose to run
if you dont like the choices you have options:
1 - run yourself
2 - encourage other specific people to run
3 - best of all choices, join the party and become an active voice in its operations. Become a precinct captain, delgate, or elector

you dont like the menu?
get involved and change the goddamn menu writing process

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:29:52pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:30:14pm

re: #124 Varek Raith

Anyone looking to be excited by a freaking politician has some….issues.

My experience with these contrarian fuckwits is when they find a candidate to be “excited” about…they are generally the loudest critics the moment that candidate is in office because they feel “betrayed.”

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:30:27pm
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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:30:45pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

DudeBro1:”I refuse to get involved in the process because none of the candidates excite me, which has nothing to do with my total lack of involvement in the process leading to the candidates who I support dropping from lack of votes!”

DudeBro2: “I refuse to get involved in the process because none of the candidates promised to buy me a pony!! …..AND none of the candidates were seen openly smoke weed in public while handing out tuition waivers as they drove down the street in a solar powered car!!!! Outraaaage! “

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TedStriker  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:33:08pm
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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:33:30pm

100 Electoral College votes are given to just 18% of the population. That’s more than enough to swing presidential elections.

And yes, that’s much of flyover country, while the majority of the nation’s population is underrepresented in Congress and for purposes of the EC.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:33:47pm

Thing is, this whole cyber-bullying campaign of Melania’s is almost certainly Trump’s idea in the first place. I don’t believe she’s doing anything of her own accord; that’s not how Trump rolls.

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TedStriker  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:33:55pm

re: #128 Patricia Kayden

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Maybe, because they are…insane?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:34:56pm

re: #128 Patricia Kayden

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It’s sad that the guy who’s wife is getting ready to leave because he’s in a cult still can’t understand that he’s joined a cult. Too many people are stupid and want to feel important while not being important.

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Varek Raith  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:35:11pm

re: #133 TedStriker

Maybe, because they are…insane?

I mean, probably.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:35:29pm

re: #126 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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LOL. Good one. I have no idea who she is fooling when she’s married to the Bully in Chief. Did anyone ask her why she’s okay with her husband using twitter to bully his opponents? She should be embarrassed to claim that she’s doing a dang thing about cyber bullying .

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:35:46pm

re: #131 lawhawk

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100 Electoral College votes are given to just 18% of the population. That’s more than enough to swing presidential elections.

And yes, that’s much of flyover country, while the majority of the nation’s population is underrepresented in Congress and for purposes of the EC.

When 30% of Americans elect 70% of the Senate, and continue to be overrepresented in choosing the President, at some point, the remaining 70% of the population will have had enough of that shit.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:35:47pm

Notice: Burning Man starts Saturday.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:36:58pm

re: #138 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Notice: Burning Man starts Saturday.

I’m so old that I remember when Burning Man was cool.

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:37:19pm

That’s fucking nuts. They are lucky they weren’t killed by the wildfire.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:37:43pm
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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:37:49pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

When 30% of Americans elect 70% of the Senate, and continue to be overrepresented in choosing the President, at some point, the remaining 70% of the population will have had enough of that shit.

And that will either require enough of that 70% moving around to spread out their influence, or a revolution to fix it.

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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:37:51pm

Steve Schmidt on Nicole Wallace show just did a nice rundown on Don McGahn. He is pretty much saying McCahn is not going to cover for Trump and would only tell Mueller everything he knows truthfully.

He stressed that he knows McGahn personally and he is a straight shooter that does not want to be disbarred. He said Trump didn’t realize McGahn is not his lawyer, he is basically an officer of the people that oversees the White House.

He says Trump’s raging this weekend is indicative Trump probably figured it all out and now knows McGahn is going to spill everything he knows.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:38:56pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

When 30% of Americans elect 70% of the Senate, and continue to be overrepresented in choosing the President, at some point, the remaining 70% of the population will have had enough of that shit.

The right-wing nuts who are over-represented think they’re under-represented and think they’ve had enough shit from civilized Americans, so they’re as likely to turn against the country as people who really are under-represented, and they have in electing Trump.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:42:23pm

re: #131 lawhawk

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A long-term problem for Democrats: a majority of the Senate now represents 18% of the country’s population.

100 Electoral College votes are given to just 18% of the population. That’s more than enough to swing presidential elections.

And yes, that’s much of flyover country, while the majority of the nation’s population is underrepresented in Congress and for purposes of the EC.

couple this with the tom nichols tweet above

vote in the primaries
vote in the generals
get people registered to vote

there are way more dems and potential (ie unregistered) dems

i do believe if everyone in texas registered and voted it would be blue

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:42:58pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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Following: 3
Followers: 72K

LOL.

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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:43:15pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

When 30% of Americans elect 70% of the Senate, and continue to be overrepresented in choosing the President, at some point, the remaining 70% of the population will have had enough of that shit.

I think that is beginning to happen. I don’t remember the Electoral College ever being talked about this much back in the 60s, 70s, 80s and even into the 90s.

2000 seemed to get it rolling. Trump has now put the talk about killing the EC in play like never before.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:44:59pm

re: #143 ObserverArt

Steve Schmidt on Nicole Wallace show just did a nice rundown on Don McGahn. He is pretty much saying McCahn is not going to cover for Trump and would only tell Mueller everything he knows truthfully.

He stressed that he knows McGahn personally and he is a straight shooter that does not want to be disbarred. He said Trump didn’t realize McGahn is not his lawyer, he is basically an officer of the people that oversees the White House.

He says Trump’s raging this weekend is indicative Trump probably figured it all out and now knows McGahn is going to spill everything he knows.

apparently trumps lawyers didnt realize this either

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Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:45:02pm

re: #143 ObserverArt

Steve Schmidt on Nicole Wallace show just did a nice rundown on Don McGahn. He is pretty much saying McCahn is not going to cover for Trump and would only tell Mueller everything he knows truthfully.

He stressed that he knows McGahn personally and he is a straight shooter that does not want to be disbarred. He said Trump didn’t realize McGahn is not his lawyer, he is basically an officer of the people that oversees the White House.

He says Trump’s raging this weekend is indicative Trump probably figured it all out and now knows McGahn is going to spill everything he knows.

And given his track record to date, the next step is firing McGahn to a rousing chorus of “He’s the president, so it’s totally legal!” from the usual suspects in the “liberal media.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:46:06pm

re: #142 Belafon

And that will either require enough of that 70% moving around to spread out their influence, or a revolution to fix it.

We need good jobs in the South to lead to gentrification of the region. Good jobs will bring in intelligent people from outside the area, and keep intelligent locals from leaving.
Over a century of brain-drain has left its mark on the South.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:46:58pm

As a student of media warfare, I am very pleased that the conspiracy industry (aka “Big Con”) has been maneuvered firmly into its proper place on the right wing.

There are still lefty conspira-liars but they are more and more isolated on the extreme fringe, and they are certainly nothing like the major players that Jones et al are on the right. In fact, conspiracism is the default position for the entire right wing, as seen when a mainstream figure like Hannity rants about the “deep state.”

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:47:07pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:48:56pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

And given his track record to date, the next step is firing McGahn to a rousing chorus of “He’s the president, so it’s totally legal!” from the usual suspects in the “liberal media.”

Which would now be seen as another obstruction.

And since it comes after McGahn has already had the 30 hours of meetings with Mueller, it won’t actually prevent anything…just another demonstration of wanting to mess with the investigation.

Donny just keeps putting himself in deeper and deeper. He really can’t help himself.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:49:19pm

re: #131 lawhawk

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100 Electoral College votes are given to just 18% of the population. That’s more than enough to swing presidential elections.

And yes, that’s much of flyover country, while the majority of the nation’s population is underrepresented in Congress and for purposes of the EC.

100 electoral college vote equals ~18.587% of the 538 total electoral college votes.
So, that seems as only a slightly over representation

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:49:45pm

re: #147 ObserverArt

I think that is beginning to happen. I don’t remember the Electoral College ever being talked about this much back in the 60s, 70s, 80s and even into the 90s.

2000 seemed to get it rolling. Trump has now put the talk about killing the EC in play like never before.

There are two issues with the electoral college that we’re dealing with. Minorities are starting to become a large enough block that the votes between the parties are a lot closer than they used to be. This causes the votes to fall in a range where there is a difference between the EC and the popular vote. The second issue, though, is that Democrats are getting concentrated in states and in certain areas in red states, which causes the strength of their numbers to be weakened.

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MsJ  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:50:09pm
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Kragar  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:50:47pm
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MsJ  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:51:48pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

OMG, that lunatic twitter account has 72,000 followers.

I am going to get inundated by lunatics now. (sigh)

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Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:51:53pm

re: #153 ObserverArt

Which would now be seen as another obstruction.

And since it comes after McGahn has already had the 30 hours of meetings with Mueller, it won’t actually prevent anything…just another demonstration of wanting to mess with the investigation.

Donny just keeps putting himself in deeper and deeper. He really can’t help himself.

What it would be is Donny being his usual petty self. Firing McGahn for not being loyal to him and being willing to perjure himself to protect his “boss” is totally normal for the Comrade Combover. He’d find some way to rationalize it and his followers would go “Ba!” accordingly.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:54:48pm

re: #156 MsJ

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Parody account.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:55:05pm

re: #158 MsJ

OMG, that lunatic twitter account has 72,000 followers.

I am going to get inundated by lunatics now. (sigh)

It’s The Onion!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:55:11pm

re: #158 MsJ

OMG, that lunatic twitter account has 72,000 followers.

I am going to get inundated by lunatics now. (sigh)

I think it’s a parody site.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:55:28pm

re: #155 Belafon

There are two issues with the electoral college that we’re dealing with. Minorities are starting to become a large enough block that the votes between the parties are a lot closer than they used to be. This causes the votes to fall in a range where there is a difference between the EC and the popular vote. The second issue, though, is that Democrats are getting concentrated in states and in certain areas in red states, which causes the strength of their numbers to be weakened.

a third, more general problem (ok so i threadjack) is that (absent actual hacking, fracking and manipulating the numbers), the margin of victory in many cases is now smaller than the error rate in counting and processing ballots

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:56:00pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

What it would be is Donny being his usual petty self. Firing McGahn for not being loyal to him and being willing to perjure himself to protect his “boss” is totally normal for the Comrade Combover. He’d find some way to rationalize it and his followers would go “Ba!” accordingly.

Is that Bah, closely related to meh, or Baaaa, of the ovine variety?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:56:15pm

womp womp

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Stanley Sea  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:57:30pm

LOL love Jake Tapper, started the story with

“Is that a warm smell of colitas rising up through the air?”

(spy people, yes I was majorly CL’d by my own fault)

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:58:05pm

re: #165 Dr. Matt

womp womp

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The fuckers should be driven into the wilderness of darkest Abilene and forced to live under abandoned railroad trestles.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:59:11pm

re: #165 Dr. Matt

womp womp

QAnon believers want to sue the media because believing in a ludicrous conspiracy theory has alienated them from their families. This idea got hundreds of votes on the QAnon subreddit.

they’re gonna be surprised, floored, pissed??? when they find out there is no “the media”

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 1:59:17pm

So, should we be worried that the Manfort jury hasn’t returned a verdict yet? If this was a “slam dunk” case, shouldn’t they have convicted the bastard by now?

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:00:30pm

re: #169 Dr. Matt

So, should we be worried that the Manfort jury hasn’t returned a verdict yet? If this was a “slam dunk” case, shouldn’t they have convicted the bastard by now?

there are 18 counts
my guess is they are being thorough

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:00:59pm

re: #169 Dr. Matt

18 counts.

And likely a single holdout who thought there was an absolute standard (beyond all doubt versus beyond a reasonable doubt).

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freetoken  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:01:30pm

re: #170 dangerman

there are 18 counts
my guess is they are being thorough

Didn’t they complain that they didn’t have enough room?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:01:57pm

re: #170 dangerman

re: #171 lawhawk

Fresh off the presses….FWIW

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:02:44pm

re: #158 MsJ

OMG, that lunatic twitter account has 72,000 followers.

I am going to get inundated by lunatics now. (sigh)

PatriotHole is a satirical account. It’s ClickHole taking a jab at the self identified “Real Patriots”

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MsJ  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:03:03pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

It’s The Onion!

PatriotHole is the Onion?

No wonder.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:03:53pm
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MsJ  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:04:23pm

re: #170 dangerman

there are 18 counts
my guess is they are being thorough

That’s what Vox said after talking with like 5 different experienced prior ADAs and USADAs.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:04:40pm

re: #172 freetoken

Didn’t they complain that they didn’t have enough room?

yeah - to spread everything out

speculating - because i have no information (unlike, say rudy g)
even a ‘holdout’ is gonna have a hard time holding out on all 18 counts

it will look like what it is

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:05:50pm

re: #177 MsJ

That’s what Vox said after talking with like 5 different experienced prior ADAs and USADAs.

well im not a journalist
or a lawyer

just guessing ;-)

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plansbandc  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:06:47pm

re: #23 Joe Bacon 🌹

God’s will, I guess.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:10:51pm

re: #180 plansbandc

God’s will, I guess.

some gods wont and other gods will

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Jay C  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:12:14pm

re: #178 dangerman

yeah - to spread everything out

speculating - because i have no information (unlike, say rudy g)
even a ‘holdout’ is gonna have a hard time holding out on all 18 counts

it will look like what it is

So if Manafort is found guilty on “only” 16 or 17 counts, can we expect an apoplectic tweetstorm from the Moron-in-Chief about how “poor innocent Paul” was so “cruelly railroaded” by the Angry Deep State or whoever?????

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:12:59pm

re: #181 dangerman

some gods wont and other gods will

Isn’t that a Lyle Lovett song?

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MsJ  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:13:56pm

My god. The stupid.

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Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:20:35pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

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“Tax cuts will not only pay for themselves, but they’ll boost economic growth to levels it’s never achieved!”

*9 months later*

“So we gotta deal with these new massive deficits that just came out of nowhere by making cuts…er, I mean, ‘reforming’ our entitlement programs.”

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jaunte  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:20:47pm

FLAIR UP!

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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:21:11pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

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Stivers is a snake. He always comes off in a way like John Kasich… reasonable guy on the surface, a maximum asshole under the facade.

Here is his Ohio District map. Look at the creative gerrymandering within and around the I-270 outbelt. Pure picking favorable suburbs and neighborhoods. It sucks.

(Click to enlarge)

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:22:14pm

re: #184 MsJ

My god. The stupid.

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“Internet researchers”. FFS

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:24:12pm

re: #184 MsJ

Okay, so if I understand how this QAnon shit works, some anonymous account drops the faintest of breadcrumbs, accompanied by sets of random digits, and the QAnon Believer community embroiders these breadcrumbs into a rich tapestry of crazy, based on almost no actual content.

And then they convince themselves that the shit they made up came from someone deep in government?

Does that about sum it up?

Because, I mean, back during the Obama Presidency, there was at least one Twitter account that purported to be someone ‘high in the Administration’ who spent all their time telling Wingnuts what they wanted to hear, but at least THAT one had some actual content.

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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:24:14pm

re: #187 ObserverArt

Stivers is a snake. He always comes off in a way like John Kasich… reasonable guy on the surface, a maximum asshole under the facade.

Here is his Ohio District map. Look at the creative gerrymandering within and around the I-270 outbelt. Pure picking favorable suburbs and neighborhoods. It sucks.

(Click to enlarge)

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Edit to add. This is Stivers’ district making him the 3rd House Rep in the Columbus Metro area.

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Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:24:25pm

The QAnon nutters are giving us IMAX-level projection into what we can expect the moment Mueller’s report drops.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:24:25pm

Don’t call them deplorable

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:24:45pm

re: #186 jaunte

FLAIR UP!

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Stanley Sea  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:25:01pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Thing is, this whole cyber-bullying campaign of Melania’s is almost certainly Trump’s idea in the first place. I don’t believe she’s doing anything of her own accord; that’s not how Trump rolls.

She picked the name.

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MsJ  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:25:53pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, so if I understand how this QAnon shit works, some anonymous account drops the faintest of breadcrumbs, accompanied by sets of random digits, and the QAnon Believer community embroiders these breadcrumbs into a rich tapestry of crazy, based on almost no actual content.

And then they convince themselves that the shit they made up came from someone deep in government?

Does that about sum it up?

Because, I mean, back during the Obama Presidency, there was at least one Twitter account that purported to be someone ‘high in the Administration’ who spent all their time telling Wingnuts what they wanted to hear, but at least THAT one had some actual content.

Yup, that about sums it up.

Additionally, the key Q account spent two days last week bitching about XBox being offline giving some credibility that it is some bored kid doing the Q stuff.

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MsJ  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:27:25pm

re: #194 Stanley Sea

She picked the name.

She stole it from Michelle Obama and twisted it up into improper English.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:27:49pm

re: #165 Dr. Matt

womp womp

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a “flair up” sounds a lot more fabulous than a “flare up”

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jaunte  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:29:25pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sounds like you’ve hired a group of consultants for a makeover.

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mmmirele  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:29:35pm

re: #61 Dr. Matt

Around 25 years ago, both Aerosmith and the Rolling Stones were on the VMAs. First Aerosmith performed and they did OK. Then the Stones came out and they showed Aerosmith how it was done. Seriously, it was like having a garage band compared to a band that had been touring for nearly 3 decades at that point. And from what we know about Aerosmith that we didn’t know then, well, yeah, they didn’t have the same kind of practice and stamina the Stones had.

For the record, I love both the Stones and Aerosmith, but would pick the Stones hands down for a concert.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:29:49pm

My response to Nichols on this would draw heavily from Captain Sulu’s line in “Star Trek; The Undiscovered Country”

Helmsman: “She’ll fly apart!”

Captain Sulu: “Fly her apart, then!”

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MsJ  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:30:59pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

a “flair up” sounds a lot more fabulous than a “flare up”

Absolutely fabulous!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:33:37pm

re: #195 MsJ

Yup, that about sums it up.

Additionally, the key Q account spent two days last week bitching about XBox being offline giving some credibility that it is some bored kid doing the Q stuff.

My Monopoly money is on Barron to be unveiled as Q.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:34:01pm

re: #200 Blind Frog Belly White

We believe that governments drive their authority from the just consent of the governed, yes? And that when a government becomes tyrannical the people may choose something else?

What could be more tyrannical than 30% of the population essentially controlling one body of the legislature? Yes, yes, invariably someone will say “The Senate is there to represent the STATES, not the people.”

But you know, the States aren’t made up of land. They’re made up of people.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:38:38pm

re: #200 Blind Frog Belly White

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My response to Nichols on this would draw heavily from Captain Sulu’s line in “Star Trek; The Undiscovered Country”

Helmsman: “She’ll fly apart!”

Captain Sulu: “Fly her apart, then!”

Mine would be, “You prefer civil war?” (I don’t think the high-population (read “blue”) states will sit still for much longer if this continues.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:41:24pm

re: #204 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Mine would be, “You prefer civil war?” (I don’t think the high-population (read “blue”) states will sit still for much longer if this continues.)

A wise person, finding themselves in such an untenable position, would offer a compromise that was less than the stronger side would eventually wrest from them, to save some power.

But, you know, those states went all in for Trump, so they seem to be populated with dumbfucks.

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freetoken  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:44:20pm

re: #200 Blind Frog Belly White

And the kicker is that this skewing of power to the smaller states affects the electoral college.

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gocart mozart  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:44:29pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:45:39pm

re: #207 gocart mozart

“You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din.”

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MsJ  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:46:11pm

Assuming CNN gets it right

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:46:30pm

OMG, if true, this is fucking PRICELESS, esp. after Trump tweeting yesterday that McGahn is not a RAT like Dean.

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Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:46:37pm

re: #207 gocart mozart

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“I’ve decided I want to come as close to suicide as possible, but still live in the end.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:48:29pm

re: #211 Targetpractice

“I’ve decided I want to come as close to suicide as possible, but still live in the end.”

Kinda makes me hitting 45 mph descending Crystal Springs on 20 lbs of bike seem a bit less daring.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:49:38pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

Isn’t that a Lyle Lovett song?

That’s what I was riffing on

Some birds wont you know
But some birds will…

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:51:17pm

re: #184 MsJ

My god. The stupid.

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Screw them one and all
Without pity

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jaunte  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:52:08pm
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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:52:20pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

“Tax cuts will not only pay for themselves, but they’ll boost economic growth to levels it’s never achieved!”

*9 months later*

“So we gotta deal with these new massive deficits that just came out of nowhere by making cuts…er, I mean, ‘reforming’ our entitlement programs.”

The plan all along
Economic growth was just the excuse to get it passed

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:53:34pm

re: #213 dangerman

That’s what I was riffing on

Some birds wont you know
But some birds will…

What I found was ‘God will but I won’t’. With John Hiatt, but then John sat there with his guitar and harmonica, and smiled big as I’ve ever seen him smile, at Lyle doing all the singing and playing. I like Lyle, but I like John even more. Usually.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 20, 2018 • 2:58:23pm
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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:03:10pm

re: #207 gocart mozart

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Wouldn’t do it with a parachute

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retired cynic  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:11:41pm

Found something gorgeous. A Japanese marine life photographer Ryo Minemizu started photographing larval fish at night off of the south coast of Japan. There is a series of photos that are just jewels! His exhibit is called “Jewels in the Night Sea.”

He also did an exhibit of photos of plankton, called “Phenomenons.”

thisiscolossal.com
twitter.com
instagram.com
fineprint.photo

Example — Larval fish of Dendrochirus:

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jaunte  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:17:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:26:11pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:33:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:36:09pm
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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:36:16pm

re: #221 jaunte

BREAKING - still no verdict after day 4 of jury deliberations. day 5 begins tomorrow at 930am. no jury questions. #paulmanafort

a peeve of mine:

no verdict
no jury questions
no anything

IS NOT BREAKING
its the OPPOSITE
it is NO THING

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plansbandc  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:37:14pm

re: #207 gocart mozart

The first one who did it, or the first one to survive it?

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:39:38pm

re: #225 dangerman

a peeve of mine:

no verdict
no jury questions
no anything

IS NOT BREAKING
its the OPPOSITE
it is NO THING

I hate when they have actual breaking news, like plane crash, car crash, or vandals going after windows.

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:40:52pm
WeRateDogs™

this has to break the rules somehow *checks rules* it does not break any rules

Now, there’s some breaking news.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:43:38pm

re: #90 Skip Intro

What if no one’s there to pray to?

Religion, they can’t all be right but they could all be wrong.

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retired cynic  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:55:34pm

As Jim Wright does so often, he educated me. I understand the Brennan fiasco in a deeper way. Blast DT for all ways!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:56:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 3:57:50pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:00:44pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump looks like a man with a big weight on his tiny brain in that image. He’s got that miles away thing going on.

I hope his head is cooking with pressure and heat.

I want him done!

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:02:16pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Trump just introduced this border patrol agent name Adrian and said, “He speaks perfect English!”]

He probably learned Spanish at Border Patrol School, like all the other agents.

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gocart mozart  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:02:30pm

Great tinder story

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:03:07pm
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MsJ  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:05:19pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

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MsJ  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:06:22pm

re: #228 wrenchwench

Now, there’s some breaking news.

Nope. Non-BREAKING news!

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:06:56pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

4.5

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:08:44pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:11:06pm

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We had two big rhubarb plants my dad used to keep growing. Strange plant. I never liked it, even my mother’s great pie-making skills weren’t enough to get me interested past initial tastes of rhubarb pie.

One interesting thing about the plant are the leaves. They produce oxalic acid which is used as a wood bleach. It helps removes things like water stains from wood.

I bought some at a hardware store a few years back and didn’t know where that type of acid came from. Rhubard!

So, you cannot eat the leaves!

I cannot eat the stalks…even cooked down with sugar.

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MsJ  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:12:47pm

re: #235 gocart mozart

Great tinder story

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“fallopian fortitude” And I’m dying.

WTH would do that? That’s some balls to be sure.

And what dude would play?

Nope. From all sides.

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:14:03pm

re: #241 ObserverArt

We had two big rhubarb plants my dad used to keep growing. Strange plant. I never liked it, even my mother’s great pie-making skills weren’t enough to get me interested past initial tastes of rhubarb pie.

One interesting thing about the plant are the leaves. They produce oxalic acid which is used as a wood bleach. It helps removes things like water stains from wood.

I bought some at a hardware store a few years back and didn’t know where that type of acid came from. Rhubard!

So, you cannot eat the leaves!

I cannot eat the stalks…even cooked down with sugar.

More for me. It’s in the freezer. Mr.w doesn’t make crust, I do, but he cooks up the rhubarb real good. After he trims off the leaves.

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gocart mozart  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:26:32pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:36:55pm

re: #61 Dr. Matt

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There’s a lot of snark about age in the comments, but when I listen to the local “independent” rock station it’s mostly guys singing in falsetto to a single acoustic guitar with big reverberated drums, hand claps, and lots of people singing “hey” to punctuate. Could do worse than to have Joe Perry play some riffs.

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Teukka  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:43:28pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:46:45pm

re: #246 Teukka

[Truth is the new hate speech.]

Some people hate the truth. Makes them look bad. You can always piss them off by quoting them accurately. With links. So hateful!

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MsJ  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:50:24pm

re: #246 Teukka

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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:51:27pm

Tomi tries too hard.

But, I’m sure she told herself that would trigger some libs.

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:51:27pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:51:33pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:55:41pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:57:00pm

Former Fox analyst Ralph Peters: Fox viewers have ‘utterly skewed view of reality’ (CNN)

Peters resigned from Fox back in March. He wrote in a note to a handful of colleagues at the time saying he “long was proud” of his association with Fox, but now he’s “ashamed,” calling it a “propaganda machine” for the president.

He was fine with the propagandists at Fox when it was a propaganda machine against a president.

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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:57:07pm

re: #250 wrenchwench

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I hope both can win their elections. They would add real good voices to some of the politics going in America right now.

Especially women’s issues, immigration, poverty and social issues, land management…yeah, we need them.

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gocart mozart  Aug 20, 2018 • 4:57:29pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:00:19pm

re: #254 ObserverArt

I hope both can win their elections. They would add real good voices to some of the politics going in America right now.

Especially women’s issues, immigration, poverty and social issues, land management…yeah, we need them.

They certainly have a different point of view on immigration. With all the compassion for refugees of all sorts, including economic.

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:04:18pm

re: #248 MsJ

Truth is the new hate speech.

Sleeping Giants

@slpng_giants
And apparently, stupidity is the new intelligence.

no….

stupidity is just……stupidity

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:05:30pm

re: #252 goddamnedfrank

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We need to ask Kavanaugh what he thinks about Starr’s comment. But only with documentary evidence of his thoughts as one of Starr’s aids at that time.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:08:42pm

Nixon’s last lunch at the White House was pineapple rings, a scoop of cottage cheese and a glass of milk.

Trump’s last lunch will be a half dozen Big Macs, Super Sized Fries, Giant Diet Coke and a couple Hot Apple Pies…

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gocart mozart  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:10:30pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:11:46pm

re: #252 goddamnedfrank

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It seems like all they listen to is themselves and then they think that is what everyone is listening too and it is just one big circle jerk of conservatives and wingnuts.

They really do not think anyone is contesting their bullshit so they keep serving it up.

Also the Trump factor…he lies and then calls any kickback fake news. They must also believe that is working for everyone.

Talk about an echo chamber.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:11:48pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:11:53pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

Only need one of those to make a pot of Brunswick Stew.

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gocart mozart  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:12:23pm

re: #259 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nixon’s last lunch at the White House was pineapple rings, a scoop of cottage cheese and a glass of milk.

Upset stomach/anxiety?

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:14:35pm

re: #264 gocart mozart

Upset stomach/anxiety?

I think he had an ulcer. They were going around back then.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:15:22pm

re: #260 gocart mozart

Heel turning face?

We live in a wrestling script.

A fly just drowned itself it my slug of Irish whiskey. I think it may have the right idea.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:19:19pm

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

Only need one of those to make a pot of Brunswick Stew.

And some mighty big okra.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:20:11pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That is a cool looking critter.

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Jay C  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:21:00pm

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

Only need one of those to make a pot of Brunswick Stew.

Though that squirrel looks like the sort of critter who’s eyeing you up as dinner material…..

(especially in #262 Charles Johnson)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:21:42pm

re: #264 gocart mozart

Upset stomach/anxiety?

That was diet food in 1974. Weight-obsessed American shoveled down cottage cheese by the bucketful.

Someone, maybe David Frum, was talking about looking at an old LIFE magazine from the 1940s, and noticing how much canned food, and really revolting-sounding recipes you’d see there. I remember when I used to think canned Wax Beans were so fucking AWESOME compared to canned Green Beans….

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:24:27pm

re: #270 Blind Frog Belly White

That was diet food in 1974. Weight-obsessed American shoveled down cottage cheese by the bucketful.

Someone, maybe David Frum, was talking about looking at an old LIFE magazine from the 1940s, and noticing how much canned food, and really revolting-sounding recipes you’d see there. I remember when I used to think canned Wax Beans were so fucking AWESOME compared to canned Green Beans….

Mom knew how to doctor up cottage cheese. She’d mix fruit cocktail with it and sprinkle some cinnamon and nutmeg.

She didn’t like canned vegetables and preferred frozen. That’s a legacy she left me!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:26:16pm

I saw something the other day, “Could Dog Racing in America Go Extinct?”

I realized I have mixed feelings about this. I realize the Greyhound racing industry is not kind to the dogs, and views them only as a means to make money. I know there’s some level of abuse of these beautiful, sweet dogs. But if dog racing disappears, will anyone breed Greyhounds anymore?

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:27:59pm

re: #272 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw something the other day, “Could Dog Racing in America Go Extinct?”

I realized I have mixed feelings about this. I realize the Greyhound racing industry is not kind to the dogs, and views them only as a means to make money. I know there’s some level of abuse of these beautiful, sweet dogs. But if dog racing disappears, will anyone breed Greyhounds anymore?

They still breed Mastiffs. WTH for?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:28:24pm

Grandma made a “Secret” cake whose main ingredient was…canned tomato soup!

Grandma’s “Mystery Cake” looked like this!

TOMATO SOUP MYSTERY CAKE RECIPE

4 Tablespoons unsalted butter, softened
1 cup granulated sugar
1 large egg, well beaten
1 can condensed tomato soup (Campbell’s preferred) 10 3/4 ounce size
1 teaspoon baking soda
1 1/2 cups Unbleached All-Purpose Flour
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1 scant teaspoon ground cloves
1 teaspoon cinnamon
1/2 cup raisins, optional
INSTRUCTIONS
Preheat oven to 350°F. Spritz a 9” round cake pan with cooking spray. Line with a parchment circle and spritz with spray again. Cream butter and sugar in large bowl. Add egg and mix well.
Combine baking soda with undiluted soup in can. Let foam for 1 minute. Pour soup mixture into butter/sugar/egg and blend well. Mixture will look slightly curdled. This is normal.
In a small bowl combine flour, baking powder and spices. Whisk well and add to tomato soup mixture. Beat together for 1 minute on medium speed. Pour into prepared pan and bake for 30-35 minutes. Cool on wire rack and ice as desired.

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can't think of a decent username  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:28:33pm

re: #272 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw something the other day, “Could Dog Racing in America Go Extinct?”

I realized I have mixed feelings about this. I realize the Greyhound racing industry is not kind to the dogs, and views them only as a means to make money. I know there’s some level of abuse of these beautiful, sweet dogs. But if dog racing disappears, will anyone breed Greyhounds anymore?

Most breeds of dogs aren’t doing the work they were traditionally bred to do. St. Bernards don’t rescue people in the Alps, dachshunds don’t drag badgers out of their dens, malamutes don’t pull sleds. People will still want greyhounds.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:29:21pm

re: #269 Jay C

Though that squirrel looks like the sort of critter who’s eyeing you up as dinner material…..

(especially in

I found a picture of one, on a photographer’s shoulder, so you can see how big these things are. I didn’t post it because it’s marked by the photog, but here’s a link to his page.

And the damn thing is bigger than Dory.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:29:51pm

re: #273 wrenchwench

They still breed Mastiffs. WTH for?

My niece, apparently.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:33:14pm
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b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:34:28pm

re: #252 goddamnedfrank

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Ken Starr should be spending more time tending to the Baylor sex scandals that are going on under his nose than worry about lying Donnie.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:34:52pm

re: #275 can’t think of a decent username

Most breeds of dogs aren’t doing the work they were traditionally bred to do. St. Bernards don’t rescue people in the Alps, dachshunds don’t drag badgers out of their dens, malamutes don’t pull sleds. People will still want greyhounds.

I want a Greyhound puppy!

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Jay C  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:35:03pm

re: #276 Blind Frog Belly White

I found a picture of one, on a photographer’s shoulder, so you can see how big these things are. I didn’t post it because it’s marked by the photog, but here’s a link to his page.

And the damn thing is bigger than Dory.

Wow. That’s a BIG squirrel. And those colors….
The photog is right: getting a personal visit by a beautiful critter like that (and not losing flesh/blood/body parts) is “blessed”. Hopefully these guys aren’t endangered.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:36:24pm

re: #266 The Ghost of a Flea

Heel turning face?

We live in a wrestling script.

A fly just drowned itself it my slug of Irish whiskey. I think it may have the right idea.

Double crosses are common in wrestling. Just sayin’.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:36:48pm

re: #272 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw something the other day, “Could Dog Racing in America Go Extinct?”

I realized I have mixed feelings about this. I realize the Greyhound racing industry is not kind to the dogs, and views them only as a means to make money. I know there’s some level of abuse of these beautiful, sweet dogs. But if dog racing disappears, will anyone breed Greyhounds anymore?

I’ve been doing a lot of searching about adoption and dog breeding because we are in the process of probably adopting (can’t really afford buying a “breed” and other reasons). I’m sure there will be a small handful of breeders, but I’ll bet the bloodlines will get pretty well diminished. After 19 years of marriage, my wife is finally on board, and even encouraging, in our effort to find a dog. But then she’ll say something like, “I don’t want one of those dogs that looks like me, you know, with the eyes wide apart (so-called pit bulls, etc.) and I don’t want one of those really thin dogs (aka: Greyhounds). Her irrational aesthetic raises only one problem: while there are zero greyhounds for adoption nearby, nearly every other dog in our category (young, medium sized) seems to have to some extent the terrier DNA associated with the term “pit bull.” Pretty much every owner I’ve spoken to has told me they are the sweetest dogs imaginable. Also, the dogs with features she likes always seem to be the worst suited to our lifestyle: Australian sheep dogs and other working dogs like that.

But the good news is that she finally said, “I don’t know, you and the boys make the choice.” And so the quest begins.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:37:43pm

re: #282 Eclectic Cyborg

Just one folding chair.

Just one would make this worth it.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:38:59pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:41:43pm

re: #158 MsJ

OMG, that lunatic twitter account has 72,000 followers.

I am going to get inundated by lunatics now. (sigh)

That is a parody account.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:45:25pm
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Eventual Carrion  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:45:46pm

re: #271 Joe Bacon 🌹

Mom knew how to doctor up cottage cheese. She’d mix fruit cocktail with it and sprinkle some cinnamon and nutmeg.

She didn’t like canned vegetables and preferred frozen. That’s a legacy she left me!

Yeah, I’m partial to frozen veggies. Back when I still had a garden we started doing more freezing than canning towards the end.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:47:04pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:47:34pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:48:05pm

re: #289 Dave In Austin

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Not just purple squirrels - bigass purple squirrels.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:48:14pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

Is adorable, but would probably shred you, a mood?

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Jay C  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:49:30pm

re: #270 Blind Frog Belly White

That was diet food in 1974. Weight-obsessed American shoveled down cottage cheese by the bucketful.

Someone, maybe David Frum, was talking about looking at an old LIFE magazine from the 1940s, and noticing how much canned food, and really revolting-sounding recipes you’d see there. I remember when I used to think canned Wax Beans were so fucking AWESOME compared to canned Green Beans….

Americans’ eating habits in decades past were - to say the least - somewhat odd by modern standards: the US seems to have been one of those places where the development of:

1) Mass-production techniques for preserving food
2) Improvements in mass distribution/retailing, and
3) Mass advertising honed to a fine art

combined to (at least for a time) elevate the Cuisine Of The Can to the level of a national standard. Which, to our taste buds’ (and physical systems’) benefit, is now mainly (if not universally) past.

James Lileks (before he devolved into boring wingnuttery) used to find marvels of this sort of stuff: the title says it all: The Gallery Of Regrettable Food.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:50:59pm

Fuck that guy.

I am genuinely sorry about the loss of jobs.

But fuck that guy.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:51:24pm

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

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So he is aware that he lies as easily as breathing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:53:24pm

re: #280 Blind Frog Belly White

WRT Greyhound puppies, most Greyhound adoption group sites have ‘cautionary tales’, but this description just makes me swoon….

“Imagine 2-year-old children on stilts and roller skates, and you have a rough idea of a fast-growing Greyhound pup learning balance and coordination.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:54:41pm

re: #295 Eventual Carrion

So he is aware that he lies as easily as breathing.

Yeah. He’s discovered in previous depositions that “It’s true because I say it’s true” doesn’t really work in court.

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Dizzy  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:55:06pm

re: #274 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grandma made a “Secret” cake whose main ingredient was…canned tomato soup!

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TOMATO SOUP MYSTERY CAKE RECIPE

And my grandmother would have probably said: “Bist Meshuga?”

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stpaulbear  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:00:27pm

re: #276 Blind Frog Belly White

I found a picture of one, on a photographer’s shoulder, so you can see how big these things are. I didn’t post it because it’s marked by the photog, but here’s a link to his page.

And the damn thing is bigger than Dory.

I’ve got a scar on one of my knuckles from a MN-sized squirrel bite. I bled like hell. The closest place to get help was at the office of one of my teachers at the U of M. She helpfully let me know that rabies shots were much less painful than they used to be. I went to a U of M doctor and he told me to fuggetaboudit.

There’s no way in hell that I’d let that one crawl around on me.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:01:44pm

re: #299 stpaulbear

I’ve got a scar on one of my knuckles from a MN-sized squirrel bite. I bled like hell. The closest place to get help was at the office of one of my teachers at the U of M. She helpfully let me know that rabies shots were much less painful than they used to be. I went to a U of M doctor and he told me to fuggetaboudit.

There’s no way in hell that I’d let that one crawl around on me.

A squirrel latching onto my finger is one of my nightmares.

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retired cynic  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:17:02pm

re: #237 MsJ

Miss Millie ought to win, paws down!

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retired cynic  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:25:50pm

re: #274 Joe Bacon 🌹

My mother made that! Yummy! A real favorite.

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retired cynic  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:36:39pm

re: #296 Blind Frog Belly White

WRT Greyhound puppies, most Greyhound adoption group sites have ‘cautionary tales’, but this description just makes me swoon….

I’ve raised a Saluki pup. Yes, that’s it! Love me some sighthounds!

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:48:51pm

re: #123 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He probably thinks of himself as a stupid Conservative, so the Democrat wasn’t even an option to him.

At this point, the Republican Party (or more accurately, their most ardent supporters) fit the Bite Model of Mind Control by Stephen Hassan (goes to Apologetics Index with the description of the elements of a cult)

The GOP has been going that way ever since the John Birch Society and other such groups aligned themselves with the GOP under Goldwater’s campaign for President (but conservatism as a whole stretches back even further, such as the Know Nothings).

Destructive mind control can be understood in terms of four basic components, which form the acronym BITE:

Behavior Control
Information Control
Thought Control
Emotional Control

It is important to understand that destructive mind control can be determined when the overall effect of these four components promotes dependency and obedience to some leader or cause.

It is not necessary for every single item on the list to be present. Mind controlled cult members can live in their own apartments, have nine-to-five jobs, be married with children, and still be unable to think for themselves and act independently. - Source: Mind Control - The BITE Model, Steve Hassan, Freedom of Mind

(more, with links to Mr. Hassan’s Website and a descriptive video by Mr. Hassan)

Note cults can be very normal-seeming: Jim Jones got his start with Oral Roberts, and when the People’s Temple was growing by leaps and bounds, even Rosalind Carter attended the opening of one of his churches.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:51:14pm

re: #109 ObserverArt

As has been noted in many surveys and investigations, atheists are the most familiar with the Bible in the USA.

It has been said that the best way to create an atheist is to get a Christian to read the Bible (all of it).


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