Everything Else May Suck, but We Still Have Tower of Power: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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Aug. 13, 2018 | Felix Contreras — When the 10 members of Tower of Power were in place behind Bob Boilen’s desk, strategically positioned around the band’s famous five-piece horn section, their first collective blast three beats into the sound check literally made the video crew jump. It was more a force of nature than a sound, and an impressive display of the “five fingers operating as one hand” concept of band cohesiveness.

From the group’s beginning in Oakland in 1968, its soul disciples stood out from the peace-and-love scene in the San Francisco Bay. Their dedication to the horn-driven soul heard on recordings from the Stax and Atlantic record labels evolved to such a sophisticated level as to make the Tower of Power Horns an entity unto themselves. Eventually artists as diverse as Santana, the Grateful Dead and even Elton John enlisted them to give their music an authentic connection to the scene.

I have to confess that this show was mostly a labor of self-indulgent love, since I’ve been a fan since about 1972. So it was a joy to listen to the unmistakable sounds of my youth as the band delivered both “What Is Hip” and “So Very Hard to Go” with so much vitality, it sounded as if they were just written last week. During the performance of the title track from their new album, “The Soul Side of Town,” the playing, the passion and the precision remains unchanged after all the years.

1968 was one hell of a year musically, as we’ve seen from this year’s many anniversary celebrations of albums, events and bands. Add Tower of Power to that shortlist of artists for whom that moment was an early rehearsal for what would become a five decade career. A band this big will inevitably have some members come and go, but it’s important to note that the original songwriting nucleus of bari saxophonist Stephen “Funky Doctor” Kupa and bandleader/tenor saxophonist Emilio Castillo continue to write and perform, as does original drummer David Garibaldi.

I want to write that the band has become an institution. But that conjures images of stuffy old men looking down professorially on youthful funksters, occasionally showing them how it was done in a long-lost golden era. Instead, Tower of Power remains as vital and full of life-affirming funk and soul, if not more, as they were in 1968. The band’s dedication, hard work and connection to us long-time fans prove that a good idea is timeless. If you need proof, just watch this video.

Congrats, fellas. It’s been a very soulful 50 years.

Set List
“On the Soul Side of Town”
“So Very Hard to Go”
“What Is Hip?”

Credits
Producers: Felix Contreras, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Maia Stern, Becky Harlan, CJ Riculan; Production Assistant: Catherine Zhang; Photo: Samantha Clark/NPR.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:57:14pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2018 • 5:59:52pm

Dave Garibaldi remains a groove maestro.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:00:06pm
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b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:02:29pm

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:05:31pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:10:41pm

Publicity whore. This dude cannot be taken seriously.

I had high hopes he’d be a great lawyer for Stormy Daniels and shed light on Fuckface Von Clownstick’s criminal world. Alas, he’s no better than ambulance chasers.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:11:13pm

re: #294 Barefoot Grin

Fuck that guy.

I am genuinely sorry about the loss of jobs.

But fuck that guy.

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Trump said something like his voters will have to suffer but it will be better for them. Do you not believe that, Mick?

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bratwurst  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:12:14pm

I am sickened by the way Breitbart and Drudge are running with this Asia Argento story. Is the idea that one bad and hypocritical person accusing Harvey Weinstein means that all of the other similar claims against him are false?

Of course, I am overreacting…the only idea here is “owning the libs”, nothing more.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:15:08pm

re: #7 Belafon

Who cares? They’re gonna vote for Trump again anyway.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:15:36pm

Ben Shapiro is now selling snake oil à la Alex Jones.

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stpaulbear  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:15:42pm

A real Hammond!

The band I was in from 74-79 couldn’t afford any roadies, but we all thought it was SO worth it to haul a Hammond model A and huge Leslie speaker around. I was so spoiled by that sound.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:16:34pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:19:18pm

Shocked, shocked I say

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:20:16pm

re: #6 teleskiguy

Publicity whore. This dude cannot be taken seriously.

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I had high hopes he’d be a great lawyer for Stormy Daniels and shed light on Fuckface Von Clownstick’s criminal world. Alas, he’s no better than ambulance chasers.

This asshole has an important role to play, but it’s not as president.

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bratwurst  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:21:54pm
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stpaulbear  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:23:34pm

re: #12 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This is why I’m very nervous about the out-state viability of Keith Ellison. I didn’t want him to win the primary.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:30:11pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:33:51pm

That’s a lot of helicopter to drop into a bistro’s parking lot

“… Festus Police Chief Tim Lewis says one helicopter landed in the parking lot of Taytro’s Bar and Bistro.

Two others landed at an airport in Sparta, Illinois, and a fourth landed at the Festus Airport. …”

Google Map for ya’ll

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sizzzzlerz  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:35:27pm

Ah, Tower of Power! That brings back memories of high school band room discussions about who had the better brass section: ToP or Chicago. Heady days those were! With all that was going on in the early 70s, don’t say we didn’t know what was important!

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gocart mozart  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:35:45pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:38:14pm

It’s all my fault. I don’t even understand this argument.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:39:56pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s a lot of helicopter to drop into a bistro’s parking lot

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Google Map for ya’ll

And light poles that are not that far apart making it smaller.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:42:30pm

re: #21 gocart mozart

It’s all my fault. I don’t even understand this argument.

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And I could win the lottery if I wait long enough to buy a ticket.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:43:34pm

For those that missed this latest new smash hit just released today….

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:44:12pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:47:20pm
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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:47:25pm

Merica

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:49:38pm
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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 6:53:26pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

re: #27 Dr. Matt

And when someone complains, ask them why the statue wasn’t erected until 1913.

Edit: A transcript from the dedication: hgreen.people.ua.edu.

I trust I may be pardoned for one allusion, howbeit it is rather personal. One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers. I performed the pleasing duty in the immediate presence of the entire garrison, and for thirty nights afterwards slept with a double-barrel shot gun under my head.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:02:23pm

re: #1 Barefoot Grin

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I apologize to our host, who down dinged, if it was because I jumped the gun on great music or if it seemed that I am trafficking in racial stereotypes. If it’s the latter, I think that was the point of the tweet, as so many Asian American comics stress: “it’s true! but I stand here before you to tell you it also isn’t!”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:03:03pm

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TedStriker  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:03:57pm

re: #19 sizzzzlerz

Ah, Tower of Power! That brings back memories of high school band room discussions about who had the better brass section: ToP or Chicago. Heady days those were! With all that was going on in the early 70s, don’t say we didn’t know what was important!

The title of one of their early 90s songs (and one of their greatest hits records/discs) says it all:

Soul with a Capital “S”

Soul with a capital S * Tower Of Power

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wheat-dogg  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:05:19pm

Note the tightly crossed arms.

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gocart mozart  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:07:40pm

Let’s see what HaHa Goodman Trumpanzee has been up to?

Fucking clown

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gocart mozart  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:12:10pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:12:16pm

Seriously I know it’s a small thing but I’ve really had enough of this behavior.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:14:51pm

re: #35 gocart mozart

Someone in the replies was like it’s wrong to destroy symbols, and I immediately thought of that.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:18:47pm

wtf

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:26:20pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:29:46pm

re: #37 Belafon

I think that was what inspired me to look for that clip

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gocart mozart  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:31:02pm

This is an example of how sick the anti choicers are.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:33:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:34:02pm

re: #30 Barefoot Grin

I apologize to our host, who down dinged, if it was because I jumped the gun on great music or if it seemed that I am trafficking in racial stereotypes. If it’s the latter, I think that was the point of the tweet, as so many Asian American comics stress: “it’s true! but I stand here before you to tell you it also isn’t!”

I don’t know how that down-ding happened, I didn’t do that deliberately. Must have been aliens.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:35:54pm

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

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It’s dangerous for a president to call NFL players “sons of bitches” or demand the termination of media personalities who criticize him. Ditto attacking the free press as an enemy and claiming that critical stories are fake news.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:38:36pm

re: #41 gocart mozart

It’s impossible to argue with delusional people. You should tell him that right wingers also have abortions. I wonder how much he cares about the migrant children separated from their parents by his president.

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Skip Intro  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:39:03pm

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:40:13pm
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KGxvi  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:43:02pm

re: #41 gocart mozart

The logic is flawless… you people have killed so many babies! Can’t wait to kill you! (What else is the purge about but killing undesirables?)

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William Lewis  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:43:30pm

re: #42 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The only acceptable Confederate Flag can be found at the Smithsonian:

civilwar.si.edu

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KGxvi  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:43:57pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

They’re really going to find a way to lose Senate seats in Arizona and Texas, aren’t they?

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Scout  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:45:45pm

Completely off-topic, but I thought many of you here would find this funny.

Hint: The company is based in a part of Japan called Fukuoka.

Link

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:45:45pm
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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:49:15pm

Pearl Jam just took the stage at Wrigley after a 3 hour+ rain delay.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:50:18pm

re: #45 Patricia Kayden

It’s impossible to argue with delusional people. You should tell him that right wingers also have abortions. I wonder how much he cares about the migrant children separated from their parents by his president.

He’s very upset that their parents would endanger them like that.//

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:52:42pm
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Interesting Times  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:53:37pm

While this refers to a performer at the VMA I’ve personally never heard of, the name is rather fitting when you consider the summary that appears beneath:

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:54:14pm

re: #53 Dr. Matt

Pearl Jam just took the stage at Wrigley after a 3 hour+ rain delay.

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Ha. They are covering The Beatles ‘Rain’.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:57:27pm

re: #55 Single-handed sailor

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So what if these Republicans keep accidentally giving speeches at white supremacy conferences. It happens to the best of us; you wander into a hotel conference room, and before you know it you find yourself in front of a podium addressing a bunch of Nazis!

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A Cranky One  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:57:31pm

If only they had a cell phone in one hand. Missed it by that much!

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 7:59:57pm

re: #52 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“We didn’t want to remove the statue, but it would be unsafe to put it back up at this point.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:01:39pm

re: #58 Big Beautiful Door

And getting paid for it! How about that?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:04:37pm

LOL…kiss of death

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:04:49pm

re: #52 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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More:
Protesters topple Silent Sam Confederate statue at UNC
Sam needs rehabilitation rather than a death sentence. Just blowtorch away his musket and replace it with a staff holding a white flag.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:05:25pm

Update

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:06:03pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:07:04pm

re: #59 A Cranky One

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If only they had a cell phone in one hand. Missed it by that much!

tRump has had too much Lemon Wacky Hello, if you ask me.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:08:20pm

re: #65 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The governor said the school could remove it a year ago. I can see why some were frustrated with the pace.

I’m really having trouble getting worked up over a Jim Crow statue.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:13:29pm

re: #67 Belafon

I’m really having trouble getting worked up over a Jim Crow statue.

Unfortunately, a lot of other people aren’t and that’s why America is the way it is right now.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:17:59pm

Check out this story of people, probably Bannon and Miller, attempting to get Trump to strip Obama of his security clearance. Every former president is still kept up to date on security: m.dailykos.com:

As Trump stepped up his public and private attacks on Obama, some of the new President’s advisers thought that he should take the extraordinary step of denying Obama himself access to intelligence briefings that were made available to all of his living predecessors. Trump was told about the importance of keeping former Presidents, who frequently met with foreign leaders, informed. In the end, Trump decided not to exclude Obama, at the urging of McMaster.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:20:55pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

More:
Protesters topple Silent Sam Confederate statue at UNC
Sam needs rehabilitation rather than a death sentence. Just blowtorch away his musket and replace it with a staff holding a white flag.

Have him holding hands with a Yankee soldier. A Black Yankee soldier.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:26:32pm

About Trump’s “Space Force”:

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:28:57pm
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William Lewis  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:30:46pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

More:
Protesters topple Silent Sam Confederate statue at UNC
Sam needs rehabilitation rather than a death sentence. Just blowtorch away his musket and replace it with a staff holding a white flag.

Heh.

But then, as far as I’m concerned, toppling a monument to treason is the act of a patriot.

I’ll wave my American Revolution Saber at anyone who says elsewise ;)

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:33:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:33:51pm

re: #73 William Lewis

Heh.

But then, as far as I’m concerned, toppling a monument to treason is the act of a patriot.

I’ll wave my American Revolution Saber at anyone who says elsewise ;)

A monument to treason, put up to celebrate and cement white supremacy in the South…

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:34:48pm

Michael Beschloss with the subtle effective shade:

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retired cynic  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:36:22pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

My God.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:36:30pm

The verbatim Trump response to the sanctions question:

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:38:46pm

re: #77 retired cynic

The United States is a deeply racist nation. That surprises you?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:39:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:40:39pm

re: #79 teleskiguy

The United States is a deeply racist nation. That surprises you?

One can be shocked without being surprised.

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Kafitrar  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:40:42pm

re: #77 retired cynic

My God.

Oh it got worse. The full transcript is here.

I trust I may be pardoned for one allusion, howbeit it is rather personal. One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:41:06pm

I was 11 years old when the Civil War Centennial started in 1961. With some notable exceptions, it was a 4 year long carnival of Lost Cause propaganda, with an almost Disneyesque presentation of the Confederacy.
I remember thinking even then that there was something very wrong with this. Weren’t these people shooting at the same flag (minus a few stars) to which we pledged allegiance every morning? Weren’t they fighting to keep their slaves? Some of the adults I knew (though not my parents) tried to tell me that it was really about tariffs or states rights or something. That was transparent bullshit even to a child. If the south had won, they would have kept slavery, they said so over and over and Jim Crow proved that they had meant it.
It has taken almost 60 years, but the chickens have come home to roost. That great national exercise in cognitive dissonance, honoring the Confederacy, is finally coming to an end.

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retired cynic  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:41:07pm

re: #79 teleskiguy

The United States is a deeply racist nation. That surprises you?

No, not at all. But that they would leave that there in today’s age. Of course, the speech that was given then at least wasn’t etched in a plaque! I should not have been surprised. Somehow I was thinking it was posted with the statue. Backing down. Should have read more carefully.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:41:43pm

g’nite. I leave you with this:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:42:31pm

With as much time as Trump spends tweeting, this statement might just earn him the SMOTI title

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retired cynic  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:42:36pm

re: #82 Kafitrar

What a horror. shudder

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:43:23pm

re: #81 Blind Frog Belly White

These days I don’t get shocked. Right now the United States is a wholly regressive force for humans on this planet. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. Stephen Miller is hard at work in The White House making sure the trains run on time.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:46:26pm

If Democrats don’t take one or both houses of Congress in November, I fear that Fuckface Von Clownstick will get reelected in 2020 and we’ll be on our way to state sanctioned ethnic cleansing before long.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:46:32pm

re: #77 retired cynic

My God.

In another part of the speech, he was proud of beating a black woman.

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meteor  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:47:03pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:48:11pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I was 11 years old when the Civil War Centennial started in 1961. With some notable exceptions, it was a 4 year long carnival of Lost Cause propaganda, with an almost Disneyesque presentation of the Confederacy.
I remember thinking even then that there was something very wrong with this. Weren’t these people shooting at the same flag (minus a few stars) to which we pledged allegiance every morning? Weren’t they fighting to keep their slaves? Some of the adults I knew (though not my parents) tried to tell that it was really about tariffs or states rights or something. That was transparent bullshit even to a child. If the south had won, they would have kept slavery, they said so over and over and Jim Crow proved that hey had meant it.
It has taken almost 60 years, but the chickens have come home to roost. That great national exercise in cognitive dissonance, honoring the Confederacy, is finally coming to an end.

That’s the thing. We papered over the war, which meant we papered over slavery. It’s shocking to hear sentiments like those, but as you think about it, it’s all perfectly natural for people who thought God put Africans on Earth for them to own, to buy and sell like cattle, to rape, to whip to death if they felt justified. To use the power of the state to hunt down and punish any who dared seek freedom.

It’s jarring to hear racism so plainly and viciously stated. Hell, I suspect a fair number of Aryan Nations types would find that story shocking.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:48:55pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

These days I don’t get shocked. Right now the United States is a wholly regressive force for humans on this planet. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. Stephen Miller is hard at work in The White House making sure the trains run on time.

But only THOSE trains.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:49:13pm

re: #91 meteor

Be Best

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 20, 2018 • 8:56:49pm

It happens that the first generation of Polaris ballistic missile submarines were under construction just before and during the Civil War Centennial.

They were supposed to be named for “eminent Americans who contributed to freedom.”
Reflecting the spirit of the times, 2 of them were named for Confederates.
USS Robert E. Lee (SSBN-601)
USS Stonewall Jackson (SSBN-634)

I remember an anti-Confederate wag asking if they might name the next one for Admiral Yamamoto.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:00:28pm

Giphy

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:03:01pm

re: #41 gocart mozart

This is an example of how sick the anti choicers are.

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At least Confederates didn’t kill 60 million unborn children like…liberals have done and are doing today. Can’t wait til that purge

“Liberals ” are not the only ones who get or perform abortions

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:06:04pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

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dangerman  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:09:57pm

re: #80 Patricia Kayden

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Again, “sheer number if wrongful acts”, none of which, except for the Jones case were actual, you know, crimes

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mmmirele  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:18:39pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kelli Ward is awful, just awful. That said, I hope she or Joe Arpaio is the R candidate. Arpaio for obvious reasons, but Ward because she’s a crass shitheel. When it was announced that McCain had brain cancer, Ward came out and said that first, McCain should resign, and second, that she should be appointed by Gov. Ducey to McCain’s seat. Obviously, that didn’t happen. I had to educate a teen supporter of Ward’s on Twitter a few months back regarding this.

If Martha McSally is the candidate, Kyrsten Sinema is going to have a tough time.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:20:33pm
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mmmirele  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:23:23pm

re: #45 Patricia Kayden

It’s impossible to argue with delusional people. You should tell him that right wingers also have abortions. I wonder how much he cares about the migrant children separated from their parents by his president.

I chewed out a guy yesterday for criticizing a Planned Parenthood fundraiser. I have gotten to the point where if an anti-abortion person comes across my path, I just let them have it. I want them to understand exactly what outlawing abortion means—that women will die. I know they don’t care, because they’re purity ponies, just like Bernie Bros, but hopefully someone else will read what I say. I am tired, very tired, of people thinking they can just camp out in women’s reproductive organs.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:25:42pm

re: #101 Joe Bacon 🌹

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While we were on shared birthdays yesterday, I noticed I share a birthday with J. K. Rowling! Milton Friedman, too—so there’s that.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:27:22pm

re: #100 mmmirele

Kelli Ward is awful, just awful. That said, I hope she or Joe Arpaio is the R candidate. Arpaio for obvious reasons, but Ward because she’s a crass shitheel. When it was announced that McCain had brain cancer, Ward came out and said that first, McCain should resign, and second, that she should be appointed by Gov. Ducey to McCain’s seat. Obviously, that didn’t happen. I had to educate a teen supporter of Ward’s on Twitter a few months back regarding this.

If Martha McSally is the candidate, Kyrsten Sinema is going to have a tough time.

Ward is sickening. Still remember when she was pushing legislation to outlaw chemtrails in Arizona…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:30:52pm

The odds aren’t good the GOP will get the Governors Mansion in California…right?

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:32:09pm

re: #105 Eclectic Cyborg

California - on the state level - is effectively a one party state.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:36:14pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

I am hearing so many great things about the Republican Party’s California Gubernatorial Candidate, John Cox. He is a very successful businessman who is tired of high Taxes & Crime. He will Make California Great Again & make you proud of your Great State again. Total Endorsement!

(The immortal wisdom of DT)

All CA Repug politicians are totally batshit. This endorsement is not the kiss of death because he never had a chance. And if I may be forgiven a touch of regional pride, Californians are Making CA Great Again every day, and DT’s “help” is the last thing we need.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:37:14pm

re: #105 Eclectic Cyborg

The odds aren’t good the GOP will get the Governors Mansion in California…right?

You have a gift for understatement.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 20, 2018 • 9:37:36pm

re: #105 Eclectic Cyborg

The odds aren’t good the GOP will get the Governors Mansion in California…right?

The odds are good they won’t even get the gardeners shack.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:04:08pm

#VMAs

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:07:23pm

From the last thread, because I am way behind (my Internet service sucks basketballs through a hose):

re: #123 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He probably thinks of himself as a stupid Conservative, so the Democrat wasn’t even an option to him.

At this point, the Republican Party (or more accurately, their most ardent supporters) fit the Bite Model of Mind Control by Stephen Hassan (goes to Apologetics Index with the description of the elements of a cult)

The GOP has been going that way ever since the John Birch Society and other such groups aligned themselves with the GOP under Goldwater’s campaign for President (but conservatism as a whole stretches back even further, such as the Know Nothings).

Destructive mind control can be understood in terms of four basic components, which form the acronym BITE:

Behavior Control
Information Control
Thought Control
Emotional Control

It is important to understand that destructive mind control can be determined when the overall effect of these four components promotes dependency and obedience to some leader or cause.

It is not necessary for every single item on the list to be present. Mind controlled cult members can live in their own apartments, have nine-to-five jobs, be married with children, and still be unable to think for themselves and act independently. - Source: Mind Control - The BITE Model, Steve Hassan, Freedom of Mind

(more, with links to Mr. Hassan’s Website and a descriptive video by Mr. Hassan)

Note cults can be very normal-seeming: Jim Jones got his start with Oral Roberts, and when the People’s Temple was growing by leaps and bounds, even Rosalind Carter attended the opening of one of his churches.

re: #109 ObserverArt

I don’t believe a lot of people actually really read the bible. Sure, they are Christians, but they let the pastors lead their thinking.

I think that is especially true of Evangelicals.

Their actual knowledge of the bible is taught to them in bible schools and then fed to them by their pastors/preachers. There is very little self teaching and wanting to understand for one’s own knowledge.

As has been noted in many surveys and investigations, atheists are the most familiar with the Bible in the USA (partly for self-defence).

It has been said that the best way to create an atheist is to get a Christian to read the Bible (all of it).

Adding to my comment, just to my west in La Grange, Wyo. is Frontier School of the Bible.

It is in a town of 300 people, nearly 100 miles from Scottsbluff, Nebr. or Cheyenne, Wyo. The nearest city is Bridgeport (my county seat, population 1,100), about fifty miles away. It serves as “secondary education” for children who are brought up in sectarian education such as religious homeschooling or Evangelical private schools (and considering the placement of the school, to keep them as far from the secular world as possible for a few more years).

Take a moment to read the curriculum of this non-accredited college. They teach only the Bible, and how to think about it, in preparation for missionary or church work.

You can imagine how they want you to think about it. The school ain’t cheap, either. (They are about to start classes now.)

None of their faculty will talk to my wife or me when we are in La Grange (we are of the Devil as atheists). It doesn’t matter how nice we are.

Across the street from them is a restaurant owned by a very devout Mennonite family: When we are in that restaurant, faculty from the college will leave as soon as we walk in. People who see our unique car for the area from that school will not come in the business when my wife and I are there; as such, we’ve lately taken to parking on a different block.

Students who work in the restaurant will not serve us (though the owners do, and are quite nice to us).

By the way, this is also the real-world example of “well, if a business won’t serve you” (like a cake shop) you can just take your business elsewhere. That restaurant is the only one for fifty miles around. If the owners threw us out, there is no other place.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:19:22pm

I’ve about had it with the culture I live in.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:20:37pm

re: #45 Patricia Kayden

It’s impossible to argue with delusional people. You should tell him that right wingers also have abortions. I wonder how much he cares about the migrant children separated from their parents by his president.

The Only Moral Abortion Is My Abortion (goes to Pro-Choice Action Network of British Columbia, with stories of antis saying why they needed an abortion but all those other women are hos. Includes stories of women who were leaders of anti-abortion groups, pickets, Christians opposed to abortion, along with physician stories).

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:21:28pm

re: #112 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:27:32pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:33:40pm

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹

Left out the link in #111:

BITE Model of Mind Control (goes to Apologetics Index)

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:34:03pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:34:38pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:38:22pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:40:03pm

re: #115 teleskiguy

People watch “the woodchipper scene” over and over. Because they think it’s funny! Yeah. What a great fucking pro-life culture we live in. The United States is sick.

— Charlie Vogel, aka His Teleness the Charlie Lama

The Coen Brothers write comedy. (Hey, and I tried out as an extra for a Coen Brothers mini-series in Scottsbluff; even got a second tryout in a callback, though ultimately I was rejected).

Conservatives do it for real (shooting up abortion clinics, blowing up federal buildings, plotting to blow up apartment blocks in Kansas, tax protest shootouts, &c)

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:44:00pm

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹

Conservatives do it for real

Yep. Which is why I favor the NFL allowing biting, kicking, and fights to the death on the field. That aligns with the United States’ bloodlust.

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TedStriker  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:47:57pm

re: #112 teleskiguy

I’ve about had it with the culture I live in.

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I know shit’s real real right now, especially for you, but railing on the Coen brothers as basically the root of all evil in modern American society?

Seriously?

If anyone is a more free and frequent purveyor of modern cinematic violence, I’d put Quentin Tarantino way above the Coens, but you know what? All of them make good movies, with subtle social commentary, sometimes punctuated with violence (and, with Tarantino, often not-so-subtle on either thing).

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:48:59pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:50:05pm

We deserve to destroy ourselves. Deserve it, good and hard. I won’t be surprised at all when Republicans keep the House and Senate. I half expect it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:52:17pm

re: #122 teleskiguy

Yep. Which is why I favor the NFL allowing biting, kicking, and fights to the death on the field. That aligns with the United States’ bloodlust.

Well, aside from the NFL (which doesn’t seem to me to be much more than gladiatorial games with helmets), the rest about the Coen Brothers seems to be similar to “video games, record albums, and Hollywood cause violence.”

The Bible is far more gruesome than any Coen Brothers movie. Children are allowed to read it.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:56:11pm

Yeah, the Coen Bros. analogy is a stupid fucking stretch. Yeah, I’m making sweeping goddamn generalizations and making a fool of myself. That is, until the midterms don’t go the correct way in November. Then we’re fucked, and I will lobby as heavily as I can for halftime executions during NFL games, because we as a culture deserve that gruesome shit good and hard.

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TedStriker  Aug 20, 2018 • 10:58:42pm

re: #125 teleskiguy

Man, I sympathize with you….this country’s gone competely apeshit over the past couple of years (and more).

However, we the (somewhat) sane have to manage to hold things together to even have a shot at turning things around and to not do the “woe is me” and “we deserve what we get” thing, because that turns into self-fulfilling prophecy.

For no other reason, we must hold the line and turn the tide for the people we care about and that means a lot of work, but it has to be done.

Making and keeping social progress is and has always been a never-ending marathon, not a sprint…we have to make sure those on our side understand that, because them not understanding that has a lot to do with how we’re in the spot we’re in right now.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 11:03:22pm

re: #128 TedStriker

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2018 • 11:13:21pm

Bye.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 11:13:44pm

Good and bad news at the same time in my county newspaper (it doesn’t have a Website so I will sumarise the article):

Secretary of State John A. Gale (R) has certified the petition drive to get a referendum on the November ballot to expand Medicaid under the ACA in Nebraska.

The Medicaid expansion has been fought by the GOP in the ostensibly non-partisan Unicameral since the ACA passed, despite increasing public support for it. In an attempt to derail legislative action, a GOP senator said he would support a public referendum on the issue.

That petition is now certified, but hold on. The same GOP senator has now filed suit along with former senators and the state GOP to block the referendum from appearing on the ballot, claiming the referendum and the ACA violate the state constitution (they don’t) and would raise property taxes (it wouldn’t, property taxes are assessed in this state by counties and incorporated towns).

The point of the suit is to tie up the referendum to prevent it from appearing on the ballot by running out the clock against an expected blue wave in the state at the polls, along with the referendum being popular.

Failing that (if the court throws out the case), the fallback position is legislation would need to be passed to implement the referendum, and the GOP says they won’t consider such legislation.

Currently, the Unicameral is made up of 31 Republicans, 16 Democrats, 1 Libertarian, and 1 independent. The (R) and (L) senators oppose Medicaid expansion, the (D) and (i) senators support it.

This was a very rare editorial from the publisher of the county paper - he urges voters to vote “yes” on the referendum and the Unicameral to uphold the will of the people.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 20, 2018 • 11:38:34pm

Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association was suspended from Facebook for 24 hours, for blaming Muslims for the stolen plane from Seattle. He argues that Muslims should be banned (or at least vetted better) before being permitted on aircraft ground crews.

The man was a Christian.

Fischer has a whinging post up on the AFA Website I won’t link to here on his Freeze Peach being violated.

friendlyatheist.patheos.com

Hemant Mehta discusses the religious details of the plane theft and crash (though neither was actually about religion, Fischer made it about religion then lied about it).

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Kragar  Aug 21, 2018 • 12:04:55am

Kitbashing a guy out of my spare parts bin.

1st 2 pics are just assembling the parts:

These 2 are as I start working up the paint layers

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 21, 2018 • 12:16:21am
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freetoken  Aug 21, 2018 • 12:26:41am

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹

For such a small town, they sure to have a large Wikipedia entry:

en.wikipedia.org

I think I’ve posted here before about various religious enclaves in that part of the world, sects of this or that group.

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 21, 2018 • 12:31:38am
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2018 • 12:32:31am

...

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Kragar  Aug 21, 2018 • 12:35:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 12:38:46am

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

A monument to treason, put up to celebrate and cement white supremacy in the South…

It is not all about “culture and heritage”, or rather about a culture and heritage of racism and white supremacism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 12:39:31am

re: #85 Dr. Matt

Oh #Florida! Just when you thought you’ve seen everything, croc on a pool noodle

Or is it an FSM sighting?

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2018 • 12:42:32am
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 21, 2018 • 12:50:29am

re: #135 freetoken

For such a small town, they sure to have a large Wikipedia entry:

en.wikipedia.org

I think I’ve posted here before about various religious enclaves in that part of the world, sects of this or that group.

No kidding. My town doesn’t have diddly, and I swear whoever took the photo for the Wikipedia article tried as hard as they could to get the worst picture they could.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 12:55:45am

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹

It has been said that the best way to create an atheist is to get a Christian to read the Bible (all of it).

Between my Catholic upbringing and all the Campus Crusade for Christ yahoos knocking on dorm room doors (which we had stuffed with a towel) I was put off Christianity entirely for a long time.

Took a while until I met some Christians who quietly but sincerely lived their beliefs. It was not enough to win me over to their religion but I did learn that there are aspects of it worthy of respect and admiration.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 21, 2018 • 1:02:38am

re: #141 goddamnedfrank

I also dislike statistics thrown out with no supporting evidence about “abuse begetting more abuse.” (Someone in that thread commented that 40-80% - an awfully wide range - of children abused go on to become abusers.)

That has been studied. Those figures are wildly inflated. It is something like the claim that people who commit mass gun murders are “mentally ill” and therefore those with mental illness are much more likely to commit crimes like that (instead of the actual numbers which indicate those who are mentally ill are most likely to be victims). The overwhelming majority of those abused as a child never become abusers themselves, and even less so those abused as an adult.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And as I understand the Me Too movement, it is people (primarily women but some men) coming forth with their own stories of being assaulted, whether as adults or children.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 1:06:29am

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹

And as I understand the Me Too movement, it is people (primarily women but some men) coming forth with their own stories of being assaulted, whether as adults or children.

yes, but one of them lied or got her details mixed up, so the entire movement is invalid and obviously a leftist-feminazi plot to further oppress virile white males…

/

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 21, 2018 • 1:23:15am

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, but one of them lied or got her details mixed up, so the entire movement is invalid and obviously a leftist-feminazi plot to further oppress virile white males…/

I don’t know enough about her or the controversy surrounding her to have an opinion on this, though someone in that Twitter thread pointed out the clickbait headline the LA Times put on Twitter is exactly the opposite of what the headline reads on their Website.

There are a ton of people on that thread making the “abused become abusers” argument (which is a false argument), because it is a “just so” common-sense story. (In a sense it is like a religious story, the sins of the parent are repeated in the children.) Of course, “just so” claims are made because they justify dismissing an argument: “See, she abused someone, therefore that proves victims will become abusers.”

Aside from the incredible stigma of even telling a story of child or adult sexual assault, such hot takes ensure that others won’t. Damn, if I had such a story to tell, I sure wouldn’t tell anyone at all with the way society treats people who do come out with their stories.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 1:28:13am

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹

There are a ton of people on that thread making the “abused become abusers” argument (which is a false argument), because it is a “just so” common-sense story. (In a sense it is like a religious story, the sins of the parent are repeated in the children.) Of course, “just so” claims are made because they justify dismissing an argument: “See, she abused someone, therefore that proves victims will become abusers.”

In the nuance-free, bullet-point world of tweets and memes, it is easy to make such assertions.

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unproven innocence  Aug 21, 2018 • 1:28:59am

Microsoft Disrupts APT28 Hacking Campaign Aimed at US Midterm Elections
By Catalin Cimpanu August 21, 2018 03:43 AM
Intro:

Microsoft revealed last night that it successfully disrupted a hacking campaign associated with the Russian military intelligence service GRU.

The group is known in infosec industry circles as APT28, Fancy Bear, or Strontium, and has been previously linked to cyber-espionage campaigns aimed at numerous governments around the world, including to the hack of the Democratic National Committee ahead of the 2016 US Presidential Election.
Microsoft takes over six APT28 domains

Microsoft President Brad Smith said that Microsoft’s Digital Crimes Unit (DCU) successfully executed a court order to transfer control of six internet domains created by the group. The six domains are:

URLs omitted here, just in case.

The first domain was registered to look like a domain for the International Republican Institute, which promotes democratic principles. The second was registered to mimic the Hudson Institute, an organization known for its discussions on election cybersecurity. The last four were blatant attempts at mimicking domains part of the US Senate’s IT infrastructure. Microsoft said it notified all three organizations.
Microsoft has now taken over 84 APT28 domains

Wish state and local governments would start taking this cyberwar shit seriously.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 1:30:09am

re: #148 unproven innocence

Microsoft Disrupts APT28 Hacking Campaign Aimed at US Midterm Elections
By Catalin Cimpanu August 21, 2018 03:43 AM
Intro:

URLs omitted here, just in case.

Wish state and local governments would start taking this cyberwar shit seriously.

This should be cause for serious further sanctions but DT is talking about abolishing them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 21, 2018 • 1:39:01am

re: #148 unproven innocence

I’m not sure how states could do much even if the federal government actually supported them.

With the heavy push to put everything on the Internet including voter registration rolls, any hole a hacker can find he or she can exploit. There is no such thing as secure software. There are way more hackers looking for such things than people looking to plug holes, and they only plug holes when they become aware of them (usually after an attack has already occurred).

The solution is to go back to the old system (paper registrations and paper ballots). “Just because we can do something doesn’t mean we should do something” applies to Internet records as well.

In my state, while registration records are on-line, those records are not what determines if you get to vote. The card you filled out at the county clerk’s office which she keeps on file is what determines whether you get a mailed paper ballot. (That card is also what has to be physically verified to file to run for an office.)

The problem is not just the GOP either. The overwhelming majority of the populace wants quickness and ease of the Internet over the security and relative slowness of paper records. Unless the populace takes the threat seriously, the government won’t either.

For corporations it’s worse: Security costs money, therefore they won’t expend money on it unless they have to. Hospitals which use Social Security numbers to track patients and outdated software leaves patients open to exploitation by thieves as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 1:49:03am

re: #150 Anymouse 🌹

For corporations it’s worse: Security costs money, therefore they won’t expend money on it unless they have to. Hospitals which use Social Security numbers to track patients and outdated software leaves patients open to exploitation by thieves as well.

We are all about outsourcing and minimizing costs, and in doing so we have for all practical purposes outsourced our electoral system to Russia.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 21, 2018 • 1:53:26am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We are all about outsourcing and minimizing costs, and in doing so we have for all practical purposes outsourced our electoral system to Russia.

Or worse, 4chan.

I’m going to hit the rack. The electrician is supposed to be here in the morning to start rewiring my house. (I’m not sure if I will be able to use my computer during that process … you lucky devils might not have me to kick around for a few days.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 2:02:19am

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹

Or worse, 4chan.

I’m going to hit the rack. The electrician is supposed to be here in the morning to start rewiring my house. (I’m not sure if I will be able to use my computer during that process … you lucky devils might not have me to kick around for a few days.)

we will find a can

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unproven innocence  Aug 21, 2018 • 2:07:14am

re: #148 unproven innocence

A related link (Microsoft™):
We are taking new steps against broadening threats to democracy
Aug 20, 2018 | Brad Smith - President

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2018 • 2:41:23am

Yes he’s just a kid who was thrust onto the national stage way too early due to tragic circumstances but even considering all that this ageist sexist immature bullshit is goddamned pathetic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 2:47:30am

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

I’m no fan of Nancy Pelosi but David Hogg is completely nuts. “Move the fuck off the plate and let us take control”? The only people who say crap like that are villains in movies.

Democrats in Disarray is a great RW headline and topic

as is Democrats Lunge to the Left

The only people who want that are the RNC and the Berniebros

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2018 • 2:57:58am
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Single-handed sailor  Aug 21, 2018 • 3:11:46am

Why do you always have to flip over a USB connector twice? Does it have a quantum side?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 3:14:56am

re: #158 Single-handed sailor

Why do you always have to flip over a USB connector twice? Does it have a quantum side?

They have a third side which only reveals itself after the two other sides have been tried.

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Teukka  Aug 21, 2018 • 3:58:09am

In local news, a JAS-39 Gripen crashed after a bird strike in Blekinge in Southern Sweden… More info as I get back from some errands…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 4:05:53am

kraschat!

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Teukka  Aug 21, 2018 • 4:10:35am

re: #160 Teukka

In local news, a JAS-39 Gripen crashed after a bird strike in Blekinge in Southern Sweden… More info as I get back from some errands…

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Pilot punched out, is safe, BTW.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 21, 2018 • 4:21:02am

re: #162 Teukka

Pilot punched out, is safe, BTW.

Tough on the bird though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 4:25:35am

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Tough on the bird though.

I can only assume it had a death wish

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Dizzy  Aug 21, 2018 • 4:38:10am

An intelligent, articulate orator, Meryl Streep is an international treasure.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 4:49:51am

re: #165 Dizzy

Dear America, you have no choice, but you have to speak up and stand up & act up. We’ll have much to thank the current President for because he has woken us up to how fragile freedom really is

This should all show us that a functioning democracy requires a lot of work and attention, a lot of independent, non-partisan oversight and in the end, it requires an informed and educated electorate.

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 4:58:11am
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Dizzy  Aug 21, 2018 • 4:59:33am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This should all show us that a functioning democracy requires a lot of work and attention, a lot of independent, non-partisan oversight and in the end, it requires an informed and educated electorate.

Agree. In short, be a responsible citizen; the model that a leader should convey. The current white house occupant is too small, too petty, too ignorant and too much of a failed human to understand this.

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:00:22am

if that’s not clear:

YouTube

now carpe some damn diem

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:04:59am

jeebus

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:08:32am

“gamechanger” … O_o

WASHINGTON, D.C. (WSAZ) — President Donald trump is expected to announce a climate change plan this week — the same week he will visit Charleston, West Virginia — that would give individual states the power to decide pollution regulations.

According to the New York Times, the Trump administration will propose a “vast overhaul of climate change regulations that would allow individual states to decide how, or even whether, to curb carbon dioxide emissions from coal plants.”

President Trump is expected to highlight the proposal at his rally in Charleston Tuesday, the New York Times reports.

“It’s wonderful that such an announcement could be made here in West Virginia where coal is so instrumental,” Bill Raney with the West Virginia Coal Association told WSAZ. “Gives control back to the states, actually approaching it from a reasonable standpoint.”

This would significantly weaken the Obama-era Clean Power Plan and is a setback for environmentalists who want to curb carbon dioxide emissions.

The New York Times article goes on to say, “The plan would also relax pollution rules for power plants that need upgrades.”

“If a mine wants a new boiler or equipment of some kind, there won’t be as many regulatory hoops to jump through,” Raney said. “So it’s some relief for these mines that want to modernize but haven’t been able to do since the regulation changes.”

because everybody knows that pollution doesn’t cross state lines…

JFC

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:10:40am

re: #168 Dizzy

Agree. In short, be a responsible citizen; the model that a leader should convey. The current white house occupant is too small, too petty, too ignorant and too much of a failed human to understand this.

don’t forget the party he represents

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:10:47am

Been getting churched up on the recently toppled Silent Sam statue at UNC.

Sam was made in the heart of Yankee-land, Chestnut Hill Massachusetts, by a Canadian, John Wilson. It cost the United Daughters of the Confederacy $7500 in 1913, equivalent to about $185,000 today. That kind of comparison is notably imprecise, but having been involved with a couple of similar projects, I would guess that would be about the current cost of an equivalent statue.
Wilson also produced a number of statues for Union organizations, notably the extraordinarily powerful Washington Grays Monument (“Pennsylvania Volunteer”) in Philadelphia.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:13:08am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:15:17am

New nickname for tRump: The Dumbtator.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:17:35am

that does it…imma going back to bed…

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:19:31am

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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Someone musta got some bad news this morning. Maybe a reporter from WaPo or NYT or CNN asking for confirmation of a story that’s about to break?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:23:15am

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

Nah, a Blue Wave means a Republican rush for asylum at the Russian embassy. Maybe some of them will flee directly to Siberia via Palin’s safe-house in Alaska.

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:26:38am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

What did Australia do to deserve this?

and what’s coulter got to do with olives?

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jeffreyw  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:27:41am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Mike Lamb  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:29:21am

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

“gamechanger” … O_o

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because everybody knows that pollution doesn’t cross state lines…

JFC

I’m not even sure the Roberts’ Court would find regs like that Constitutional. Complete abdication of the Clean Air Act.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:29:58am

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Nah, a Blue Wave means a Republican rush for asylum at the Russian embassy. Maybe some of them will flee directly to Siberia via Palin’s safe-house in Alaska.

A Blue Wave means a truly endless tsunami of Trump tweetstorms - especially when/if Maxine Waters becomes Chair of the House Financial Services Committee. She’ll be able to subpoena everything.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:42:07am

A year ago today.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:45:53am

re: #183 Dr. Matt

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A year ago today.

Bob and June Wheeler Eclipse Advice

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:48:53am

re: #183 Dr. Matt

It was one of the most impressively idiotic things ever done by a president…

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 5:49:27am

Donnie was rage tweeting until midnight last night and is up today rage tweeting just after 6 am. He’s not healthy.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:02:11am

Two-scoop’s comments about “strength and safety” after a Red Wave take on extra new meaning when matched with something D.L. Hughley just said promoting his new book on Morning Joe: “the most dangerous place that black people live in America is in the imaginations of white people.”

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:06:44am

re: #21 gocart mozart

It’s your fault for not blocking the dumbass when he makes it absolutely clear that he’s blockable (the x marks the block).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:10:24am

re: #187 Barefoot Grin

Two-scoop’s comments about “strength and safety” after a Red Wave take on extra new meaning when matched with something D.L. Hughley just said promoting his new book on Morning Joe: “the most dangerous place that black people live in America is in the imaginations of white people.”

The choice is clear: strength and safety, law and order, prosperity and progress vs. weakness and danger, anarchy and crime, poverty and confiscatory taxation.

/

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:12:24am

re: #1 Barefoot Grin

Slackers. Why isn’t it 110%?

//

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:12:58am

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

Starr did go on a fishing expedition when his initial investigation into failed real estate deals turned up nothing against Bill or Hillary. It’s only then that he got derailed into the affair in the WH and subsequent lies about the affair.

Starr headed Baylor all during a massive and widespread sex abuse scandal, which implicated everyone in the athletic department, and which he failed to properly administer. Starr lifted suspension of one of the football players implicated in the abuses, right before that player was indicted on multiple crimes.

Mueller is everything Starr wasn’t.

Mueller’s methodical and not leaking details. Moreover, Mueller’s spinning off any crimes he uncovers that isn’t directly in his mandate to other prosecutors so he can stay focused on the Russia-Trump connections.

The reason it isn’t wrapping up quickly is because there’s so many connections and leads that have to be tracked down. That’s because Trump’s entire cabal of cronies engaged in wrongdoing from the petty to the high crimes territory - including Trump himself.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:13:11am

re: #186 Dr. Matt

Donnie was rage tweeting until midnight last night and is up today rage tweeting just after 6 am. He’s not healthy.

But “He’s not worried about the investigation”.

/

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:13:55am

Cillizza on cnn.com

Broken clock moment or
Head of the overstate the fucking obvious department
Either works for me

…is illustrative of the broader problem Trump has (and continues to have) with the probe and Mueller: The former FBI chief is an absolute stickler for detail while the President is, um, not.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:14:21am

Thanks for posting Tower of Power, Charles! It was a great thing to wake up to before I started my morning reading of craziness.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:15:06am

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

Someone musta got some bad news this morning. Maybe a reporter from WaPo or NYT or CNN asking for confirmation of a story that’s about to break?

He doesn’t need an excuse to rage tweet.

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:15:12am

re: #187 Barefoot Grin

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:16:50am

re: #191 lawhawk

Mueller’s methodical and not leaking details. Moreover, Mueller’s spinning off any crimes he uncovers that isn’t directly in his mandate to other prosecutors so he can stay focused on the Russia-Trump connections.

The reason it isn’t wrapping up quickly is because there’s so many connections and leads that have to be tracked down. That’s because Trump’s entire cabal of cronies engaged in wrongdoing from the petty to the high crimes territory - including Trump himself.

He also knows that any leak, any inconsistency or procedural error will be seized upon and held up as reason to discredit the entire investigation.

He has to present a case that forces the GOP to either act on it or risk being accused of political collusion themselves, although regardless of the strength of the case, I suspect they will risk the latter option.

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Dizzy  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:20:09am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

don’t forget the party he represents

True. Trump is the capstone of the GOP, but the major fault lies with the party. Without their collusion, he would not be as toxic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:21:49am

re: #193 dangerman

…is illustrative of the broader problem Trump has (and continues to have) with the probe and Mueller: The former FBI chief is an absolute stickler for detail while the President is, um, not.

President is not used his words or actions having any negative personal consequences for him.

“Perjury” is not defined by “his word against the President’s” as Rudy tried to describe it, but when the President overtly contradicts himself in sworn testimony or contradicts established facts.

And there is no way he can speak at any length under oath without doing that.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:22:55am

re: #118 Single-handed sailor

The Russian group that hacked the Democratic National Committee in 2016 has now targeted US Senate and conservative think tanks, Microsoft says
— CNN Breaking News

Alright now they’re just going too far.

/

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ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:30:36am

Morning!

After reading down through the thread of overnight comments I think I need to post this to spread some cuteness.

Yeah, it is very short, but you do get to see two cute balls of fur.

The Columbus Zoo announced two cheetah cubs were born at The Wilds. The Wilds is a private, non-profit safari park and conservation center that coordinates with the Columbus Zoo and is a huge ex-strip mining area of reclaimed land where rare and endangered species live in natural, open-range habitats.

If you want to see what The Wilds is all about here is a link to their site. It’s pretty cool.

The Wilds

And here are the fuzzy ones…

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:32:17am

Isn’t it about time for Omarosa to drop another tape?

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Jay C  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:34:07am

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Been getting churched up on the recently toppled Silent Sam statue at UNC.

Sam was made in the heart of Yankee-land, Chestnut Hill Massachusetts, by a Canadian, John Wilson. It cost the United Daughters of the Confederacy $7500 in 1913, equivalent to about $185,000 today. That kind of comparison is notably imprecise, but having been involved with a couple of similar projects, I would guess that would be about the current cost of an equivalent statue.
Wilson also produced a number of statues for Union organizations, notably the extraordinarily powerful Washington Grays Monument (“Pennsylvania Volunteer”) in Philadelphia.

At least the UDC sought out a real sculptor to do an original work when they commissioned Silent Sam (and perhaps some of that $7500 went for casting costs): a lot of Civil War memorial sculptures were, in effect, off-the-shelf models: Johnny Reb and Billy Yank differing only in the heads (different hats) and USA/CSA inscriptions added at the foundry as suitable.

ADD: As usual, Wikipedia had already updated their page on Wilson to included Silent Sam’s toppling yesterday: however, I felt I had to edit it slightly as it (for whatever reason) seemed to indicate the University had condoned, rather than condemned the “removal”.

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:34:51am

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I wonder if the speaker at the dedication of the Pennsylvania volunteer bragged about beating a black woman.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:41:46am
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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:44:23am

re: #199 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

President is not used his words or actions having any negative personal consequences for him.

“Perjury” is not defined by “his word against the President’s” as Rudy tried to describe it, but when the President overtly contradicts himself in sworn testimony or contradicts established facts.

And there is no way he can speak at any length under oath without doing that.

Not when multi news outlets keep a daily counter of the number of lies you tell

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:45:05am

re: #200 Sir John Barron

Alright now they’re just going too far.

/

“Conservative” but anti-trump I understand

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plansbandc  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:46:30am

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ah! That explains it!

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:49:17am

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Been getting churched up on the recently toppled Silent Sam statue at UNC.

Sam was made in the heart of Yankee-land, Chestnut Hill Massachusetts, by a Canadian, John Wilson. It cost the United Daughters of the Confederacy $7500 in 1913, equivalent to about $185,000 today. That kind of comparison is notably imprecise, but having been involved with a couple of similar projects, I would guess that would be about the current cost of an equivalent statue.
Wilson also produced a number of statues for Union organizations, notably the extraordinarily powerful Washington Grays Monument (“Pennsylvania Volunteer”) in Philadelphia.

Has Donnie rage-tweeted about this yet?

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Mattand  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:50:28am

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Nah, a Blue Wave means a Republican rush for asylum at the Russian embassy. Maybe some of them will flee directly to Siberia via Palin’s safe-house in Alaska.

There’s not gonna be a Blue Wave. Dems will gain some seats, but probably not enough to make a difference.

A Blue Wave implies that people are educated enough to see the unapologetic corruption that Trump trades in on a daily basis

A Blue Wave means that people look at our government kidnapping brown children as something horrible, not “Well, it ain’t my kid so who cares?”

A Blue Wave means that the idiots who call themselves “independents” and Republicans who are genuinely horrified by their party will do the right thing and vote Democratic.

A Blue Wave means Democrats will come out in force in a mid term election, something they almost never do.

That’s not the American electorate I’m familiar with.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:50:58am

re: #207 dangerman

“Conservative” but anti-trump I understand

Yes, I saw that on another site that is so far left that it wraps back around into the wingnut continuity: “I am not pro-Trump, I am just anti-Clinton”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:52:31am

re: #209 Sir John Barron

Has Donnie rage-tweeted about [Silent Sam] yet?

Whenever this “history and heritage” argument raises its ugly head, I bat it down with a quote from Virginia-born Union General Henry “The Rock of Chickamauga” Thomas:

“[T]he greatest efforts made by the defeated insurgents since the close of the war have been to promulgate the idea that the cause of liberty, justice, humanity, equality, and all the calendar of the virtues of freedom, suffered violence and wrong when the effort for southern independence failed. This is, of course, intended as a species of political cant, whereby the crime of treason might be covered with a counterfeit varnish of patriotism, so that the precipitators of the rebellion might go down in history hand in hand with the defenders of the government, thus wiping out with their own hands their own stains; a species of self-forgiveness amazing in its effrontery, when it is considered that life and property—justly forfeited by the laws of the country, of war, and of nations, through the magnanimity of the government and people—was not exacted from them.”

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:52:31am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:52:42am

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun fact: “Game changer” is near the top of my list of annoyingly overused marketing terms.

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Mattand  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:53:24am

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Wow. I’ve walked by the statue a million times and had no idea of its history. Next time I’m in Center City I’ll check it out. Thanks for the info.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:53:49am

re: #209 Sir John Barron

Has Donnie rage-tweeted about this yet?

He’ll reference it tonight at his WV klan rally: “the Democrats are out of control, they brought down Silent Sam…. Silent Sam was a Democrat, many people don’t know that.”

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:54:09am

re: #210 Mattand

You mean like that which didn’t happen in 2006?

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Mattand  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:55:10am

re: #216 Barefoot Grin

He’ll reference it tonight at his WV klan rally: “the Democrats are out of control, the brought down Silent Sam…. Silent Sam was a Democrat, many people don’t know that.”

Christ, do he do anything besides watch TV, Tweet, and hold rallies?

It sickens me that people think this is what a President is supposed to act like.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:55:21am

re: #216 Barefoot Grin

He’ll reference it tonight at his WV klan rally: “the Democrats are out of control, the brought down Silent Sam…. Silent Sam was a Democrat, many people don’t know that.”

“Now people will never know the history of Silent Sam, how he fought for FREEDOM.”

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:57:10am

re: #218 Mattand

Christ, do he do anything besides watch TV, Tweet, and hold rallies?

It sickens me that people think this is what a President is supposed to act like.

To be fair, I shouldn’t have said “klan.” I think the people of WV are more worried about coal than race. But, yeah, rallies are all he has left to nourish his ego. That and Fox News.

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Mattand  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:58:00am

re: #217 Belafon

You mean like that which didn’t happen in 2006?

Yeah, the one that got wiped out a few years later in 2010?

And, quite frankly, I don’t think 2006 had as many seats to capture as Dems need now. Need to look that up.

I hope there is a wave, but it requires a lot of stuff to align correctly; particularly Democratic turnout. I’m not confident, to put it mildly.

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ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2018 • 6:58:41am

re: #213 MsJ

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Aliens she says!

Well, something has happened to the miserable Republican party since Obama came on the scene. Aliens is as good an excuse as anything else going to cover for their corruption and damage they are causing to this country.

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Mattand  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:00:40am

re: #220 Barefoot Grin

To be fair, I shouldn’t have said “klan.” I think the people of WV are more worried about coal than race. But, yeah, rallies are all he has left to nourish his ego. That and Fox News.

“Klan” is entirely appropriate, as far as I’m fucking concerned. WV is worried about coal jobs, but these assholes voted for an openly racist monster to run this country.

I personally have no problem with “Klan” as a descriptor.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:02:10am

re: #222 ObserverArt

Aliens she says!

Well, something has happened to the miserable Republican party since Obama came on the scene. Aliens is as good an excuse as anything else going to cover for their corruption and damage they are causing to this country.

The GOP had a chance to distance themselves from crazy conspiracy theorists but were happy to tolerate them as long as their crackpot CTs were disparaging of Obama/Clinton.

Now that complacency is coming home to roost.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:03:57am

The same asshole that rages about social media that block Nazis

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terraincognita  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:05:25am

re: #202 MsJ

Isn’t it about time for Omarosa to drop another tape?

Yes, indeed. I think a nice Trump tweetpanicus today would be ever so entertaining.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:05:53am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

The same asshole that rages about social media that block Nazis

He’s such a snowflake

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:07:39am

re: #218 Mattand

Christ, do he do anything besides watch TV, Tweet, and hold rallies?

It sickens me that people think this is what a President is supposed to act like.

Golf. He golfs. A lot.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:08:26am

re: #105 Eclectic Cyborg

The odds aren’t good the GOP will get the Governors Mansion in California…right?

Close to zero.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:09:09am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

The same asshole that rages about social media that block Nazis

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No blue checkmark on that “Meryl Streep” account.

ETA: according to her web page she doesn’t do Twitter.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:10:29am

re: #213 MsJ

She probably has frontal-lobe epilepsy. It’s interesting that her aliens remind her of a giant concrete Jesus. These seizures usually manifest as either imagined aliens or religious fantasies, not both.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:12:15am

re: #228 MsJ

Golf. He golfs. A lot.

And spends A LOT of time applying self tanner.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:13:01am

re: #229 Big Beautiful Door

Close to zero.

Sounds a little too high.

Although I don’t know about Newsome, hopefully he will do right by all our Cali Lizards.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:13:54am

re: #233 Sir John Barron

Sounds a little too high.

Although I don’t know about Newsome, hopefully he will do right by all our Cali Lizards.

He could probably be caught with a live boy and a dead girl and still beat the Republican.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:14:16am

re: #230 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

No blue checkmark on that Meryl Streep account.

Damnnit. Good catch.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:15:39am

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

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As we all did. I voted for Ross Perot at one point :-)

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:16:01am

re: #234 Big Beautiful Door

He could probably be caught with a live boy and a dead girl and still beat the Republican.

I hope he’ll do a good job managing the state. Brown has apparently done a pretty good job in his second stint.

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:17:39am

re: #179 dangerman

and what’s coulter got to do with olives?

nobody?

(no danger, just you)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:17:51am

re: #236 Eventual Carrion

As we all did. I voted for Ross Perot at one point :-)

LOL, the business my dad worked for got stiffed by Ross Perot. He was Trump before Trump was.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:19:10am

re: #236 Eventual Carrion

As we all did. I voted for Ross Perot at one point :-)

When I was young and stupid, I was a big Reagan fan.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:21:27am

re: #240 Big Beautiful Door

When I was young and stupid, I was a big Reagan fan.

I liked Reagan….and then I hit puberty.

// half sarc //

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:23:09am
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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:24:15am

re: #218 Mattand

Christ, do he do anything besides watch TV, Tweet, and hold rallies?

It sickens me that people think this is what a President is supposed to act like.

“the figurehead president”

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:25:10am

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

Ryan’s “effective”?

They pushed a tax cut through, what else?

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ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:26:14am

re: #238 dangerman

nobody?

(no danger, just you)

Ann and Mil Olive

Ewwwww. Ann and Men I’d like…Oh! Live.

…in Australia.

I don’t want to know, but keep them there please.

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:26:19am

re: #223 Mattand

“Klan” is entirely appropriate, as far as I’m fucking concerned. WV is worried about coal jobs, but these assholes voted for an openly racist monster to run this country.

I personally have no problem with “Klan” as a descriptor.

lest we not forget:

you support a pig, you are a pig

(feel free to substitute the noun of your choice)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:27:45am

re: #231 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

She probably has frontal-lobe epilepsy. It’s interesting that her aliens remind her of a giant concrete Jesus. These seizures usually manifest as either imagined aliens or religious fantasies, not both.

the two are a lot more closely related than we might think, after all, we are applying logical categories to complete woo-woo and psychosis.

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ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:31:07am

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

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Last night it was Avenatti.

Today it is David Hoog.

Somebody needs to get under their hoods and turn down the turbo boost pressure relief valve. Or, shit it going to blow up and do no one any good in November.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:31:55am

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the two are a lot more closely related than we might think, after all, we are applying logical categories to complete woo-woo and psychosis.

The two are basically exactly the same, but which you get is usually driven by your local culture.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:34:41am

Number of coal jobs in the US is less than the number of people employed in the Texas Medical Center (TMC) in Houston which is a mere 2 square-mile district (~76K vs ~106K).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:34:48am

re: #249 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The two are basically exactly the same, but which you get is usually driven by your local culture.

I am not saying that it was Christian Fundamentalists, but it was Christian Fundamentalists…

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:36:23am

re: #248 ObserverArt

Last night it was Avenatti.

Today it is David Hoog.

Somebody needs to get under their hoods and turn down the turbo boost pressure relief valve. Or, shit it going to blow up and do no one any good in November.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:37:46am

re: #252 goddamnedfrank

Nothing seems more guaranteed to turn toxic than a white dude spending time under a spotlight.

these people are being held up as the Very Model of Modern Liberal Democrat by the very people who want the Dems to lose, the RNC and the Berniebrots.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:40:05am

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:46:00am

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

And frankly, David’s contention that Paul Ryan’s effectiveness is a raw byproduct of his comparative youth is a ridiculously simplistic non-thought. Ryan is effective because the GOP controls all three branches of government, because young people like to talk shit but don’t vote.

a couple of thoughts

- ryan has not been “effective” given that the GOP controls both houses and the white house

- david et al are not stupid. some of what they say is from ‘young and inexperienced’. They will learn.

the process is:
build a coalition
run
win

No one in politics ‘moves out of the way’ to make it easier for you.

if you cant beat the competition, be they incumbents or just opponents, then the people don’t want you

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:47:12am

re: #245 ObserverArt

Ann and Mil Olive

Ewwwww. Ann and Men I’d like…Oh! Live.

…in Australia.

I don’t want to know, but keep them there please.

phew. it was so lonely there for a while

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:50:45am

re: #254 Big Beautiful Door

Isn’t Ryan actually retiring from Congress or is he running for re-election?

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:52:58am

re: #257 Sir John Barron

Isn’t Ryan actually retiring from Congress or is he running for re-election?

He is retiring, having failed to achieve most of his major priorities in dismantling the social safety net: repealing the ACA, voucherizing Medicare and block granting Medicaid.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:53:34am

Latest Faux Freakout

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:55:22am

re: #258 Big Beautiful Door

He is retiring, having failed to achieve most of his major priorities in dismantling the social safety net: repealing the ACA, voucherizing Medicare and block granting Medicaid.

Yeah, so, “effective” is not what I would say to describe a dude who is bailing out at the first opportunity—not that I blame him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:58:58am

re: #260 Sir John Barron

Yeah, so, “effective” is not what I would say to describe a dude who is bailing out at the first opportunity—not that I blame him.

Just doing what Sarah Palin did before him…

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:59:07am

Really nice to see that Hogg is doubling down this morning.

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makeitstop  Aug 21, 2018 • 7:59:09am

re: #257 Sir John Barron

Isn’t Ryan actually retiring from Congress or is he running for re-election?

The Nutbag Caucus is actively looking for a replacement. I’m pretty sure he’s going to retire.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:02:30am

“Foster Friess” that name is familiar. Isn’t he the barking wingnut who said women should hold an aspirin between their knees for birth control?

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:04:49am
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:07:03am

Stolen and repackaged from someone on Twitter about WV promoting Trump and coal:

“Black lung to own the libs!”

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A Mom Anon  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:07:22am

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:08:45am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

“Foster Friess” that name is familiar. Isn’t he the barking wingnut who said women should hold an aspirin between their knees for birth control?

Well, at least he’ll be strong on Wyoming’s borders, guarding against people coming over from Montana, Colorado, etc.

/

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:16:00am

re: #265 goddamnedfrank

You don’t get leadership positions handed to you until you actually do some fucking leading.

goddamnedfrank says:

build a coalition
run
win

goddammit!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:18:34am

re: #266 Barefoot Grin

Stolen and repackaged from someone on Twitter about WV promoting Trump and coal:

“Black lung to own the libs!”

It is about what Coal stands for: good paying jobs for poorly educated white men. That was the promise that got Trump enough votes in the Rust Belt to claim the EC.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:19:35am

re: #262 goddamnedfrank

They have been GOTV like crazy.

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stpaulbear  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:22:21am

re: #254 Big Beautiful Door

aagcobb
@aagcobb1
And Paul Ryan wasn’t that effective a Speaker, either. he got one major piece of legislation passed and failed on his top priority, repeal of the ACA. It pales in comparison to Pelosi’s record as Speaker.

Not to mention that Pelosi was instrumental in many of Ryan’s (and Boehner’s) leadership failures.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:25:57am

re: #270 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is about what Coal stands for: good paying jobs for poorly educated white men. That was the promise that got Trump enough votes in the Rust Belt to claim the EC.

Risking your life to make somebody else rich by poisoning everyone else with the worst possible energy source.

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makeitstop  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:26:49am

Today’s kitty update…

The doctor called this morning and said she was concerned about the head scan/surgery on Trixie today because she hasn’t eaten since she was admitted (she said it’s not unusual - cats are notorious for not eating in unfamiliar surroundings). She offered us two options:

1. Postpone the surgery and bring Trixie home to see if we can get her eating in more familiar surroundings, or

2. Attach a feeding tube and get her sufficiently nourished to withstand the anesthesia.

After talking to my wife, we decided that we’re going to bring her home and re-schedule the surgery. The doctor did say her swelling has gone down ‘significantly,’ so that’s promising. I’ll need to call in tomorrow and let them know if she’s eating again, at which point we’d re-schedule. And if she doesn’t start eating, it’ll be back to the hospital to get her hooked up to a feeding tube.

Okay, settled. And then…

While I was on the phone, I started to notice a vague rumbling coming from outside. I go to the front door, and lo and behold, there’s a backhoe jackhammering the street in front of my house. The local gas company did upgrades on the gas lines in our neighborhood a couple of weeks ago, but today they’re out there digging up all the road patches they originally put in.

I walked to the end of my driveway to take a look, and there are dump trucks and construction equipment up and down my block. I’m stuck here. I called the doctor back and told her I wouldn’t be able to pick Trixie up until later this afternoon.

Never a dull moment around this joint.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:29:02am

re: #273 Blind Frog Belly White

Risking your life to make somebody else rich by poisoning everyone else with the worst possible energy source.

They recall a Golden Era when a guy could scrape through High School, marry, get a job as a coal miner, own a house and a boat and a vacation home, send his kids to school, etc, all on his coal miner’s salary.

They somehow believe that abolishing health, safety and environmental regulations is all gonna make that come roaring back….without any unions.

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ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:31:08am

re: #271 Stanley Sea

They have been GOTV like crazy.

Yes, they have…and it is to be commended.

But David Hogg needs to be aware of how politics works overall, and with the New Republican Party, Fox News and wingnut radio and web sites.

He should concentrate on getting ALL Democrats elected so they can get the power needed to make the changes he wants.

Nancy Pelosi is not the target at this time. His rhetoric just does not do any good right now. But he seems to be locked in on age instead of what people can do with the power they already have versus some others that may be new and sparkling…but don’t have the political tools and associations to be someone like Speaker of the House.

He really needs someone to chill him out because we do need him and the other Parkland students.

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:32:41am

re: #250 Dr. Matt

Number of coal jobs in the US is less than the number of people employed in the Texas Medical Center (TMC) in Houston which is a mere 2 square-mile district (~76K vs ~106K).

close to the roughly 78k votes in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan

(eta: for those not following along: that put trump over the top)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:33:28am

re: #276 ObserverArt

He really needs someone to chill him out because we do need him and the other Parkland students.

The right and the NRA could not silence the Parkand students, so now they are taking this kid and over-amplifying his political comments and significance because it helps with their ratfucking efforts to undermine the Dems.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:35:42am

re: #271 Stanley Sea

They have been GOTV like crazy.

They’ve been registering. It’s a start, but the younger age cohorts still self report with the absolute lowest actual intention to vote in November.

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ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:36:56am

re: #278 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The right and the NRA could not silence the Parkand students, so now they are taking this kid and over-amplifying his political comments and significance because it helps with their ratfucking efforts to undermine the Dems.

Just another reason he needs to be aware. That is why I said he needs to know how politics works overall, and with the New Republican Party, Fox News and wingnut radio and web sites.

He is in a way feeding them material. He needs to be aware of all of that. He’s young and energetic. I understand that.

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makeitstop  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:39:07am

Seen on Facebook. [shudder]

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:45:36am

Ambiguity

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makeitstop  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:48:12am

re: #282 Dr. Matt

Ambiguity

Josh Marshall’s take:

We’re getting more information on that note from the jury David noted below. The jury asked the judge what they should do if they “cannot come to a consensus for a single” count and if they can’t what does that mean for the “final verdict.” This strongly suggests that they have reached consensus on most or all of the remaining 17 charges. They’re hung up on a single charge. In other words, they’ve made a lot of progress. We’d now expect the judge to ask them to take more time and try to reach consensus on that final charge.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:51:10am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:53:50am

re: #284 goddamnedfrank

Trying to imagine the GOP’s relief that the far-left has once again put the cart before the goddamned horse and decided that shitting all over Nancy Pelosi is more important than focusing on actually winning elections first.

Don think that the GOP has not been actively and ratfuckingly pushing this narrative on all media channels.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:55:22am

More hair bullshit.

Instagram

Well this is the second such incident posted in as many days.. white supremacy posing as Christian schools.. SMH. Not surprising because this has been the go to move for a loooog time. New rules to keep sweet and precious black girls and boys in mind state of inferiority. New rules (that STARTED THIS SUMMER) that prohibit them because of their hair. Wth? What’s next? Im calling the school now for as many days as it takes.[no phone numbers allowed]) Feel free to nag them too. #ilovemyhair #blackgirlmagic #wegotyou #jealous @shaunking

Welcome back to school, unless your hair doesn’t conform to white Christian standards.

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Interesting Times  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:56:26am

In which Sarah Kendzior continues to strike the perfect balance between accurate recognition of impending doom and practical advice on how to stave it off:

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:59:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:59:16am

re: #287 Interesting Times

In which Sarah Kendzior continues to strike the perfect balance between accurate recognition of impending doom and practical advice on how to stave it off:

I am totally crushed out on Sarah.

I will not tell you what my fantasies involve, except that afterwards we sit up smoking a cigarette and discussing politics…

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Teukka  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:59:23am

I hope any trophy hunters won’t get offended.

Eh. What the hell…
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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 8:59:31am

re: #284 goddamnedfrank

Trying to imagine the GOP’s relief that the far-left has once again put the cart before the goddamned horse and decided that shitting all over Nancy Pelosi is more important than focusing on actually winning elections first.

this is a dumb argument to be having now though im not sure how much this really means to the average citizen who doesnt watch politics

pelosi’s a rep running in one district in CA
she’s going to win that, right?

when the dems take the house, then there will be a vote for speaker
she’ll put herself up or she wont (of course she will)

im not sure how this affects everybody else voting in november

we still have to take the house first or speaker doesnt matter

everyone else voting for their individual rep or senator doesn’t change any of this

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:01:54am

re: #291 dangerman

“Democrats in Disarray” is a great RW headline

“Democrats Veer Hard Left” is another.

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:02:01am

re: #288 goddamnedfrank

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and again frank is quicker, more succinct and pithier

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Alephnaught  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:05:06am

Could this be why Trump’s been rage-tweeting in the past few hours?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:06:25am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:07:33am

re: #294 Alephnaught

Could this be why Trump’s been rage-tweeting in the past few hours?

His tweets are starting to be the Twitter equivalent of birds and animals growing agitated and fleeing before an earthquake hits

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Archangelus  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:07:44am

Am i reading this right that they’re basically decided on 17 of the 18 charges against Manafort?

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electrotek  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:08:13am

I haven’t had a chance to follow much about Asia Argento, so what happened which is getting right-wing erections?

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:11:08am

re: #294 Alephnaught

Could this be why Trump’s been rage-tweeting in the past few hours?

NBC reports Michael Cohen plea deal could come as soon as this afternoon.

OK, this is another one of my peeves.

“as soon as this afternoon”
“as soon as today”
“as soon as this week”

meaningless, because it cant be sooner

there’s really not a whole lot of sooner possible.
and dont go all pedant on me that it could still be morning or whatever - it’s my peeve

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Weaselone  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:13:17am

re: #297 Archangelus

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Am i reading this right that they’re basically decided on 17 of the 18 charges against Manafort?

That seems consistent with them going longer yesterday. If they were down to a single count, they probably thought they could wrap it up and deliver a verdict, but apparently there’s some intractability on that single count. Of course we don’t know the decisions on the other counts - all guilty, all innocent, a combination, nor do we know if the hangup is a single person saying guilty with the rest saying innocent, the opposite or if there’s a more even split on the decision.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:14:11am

re: #183 Dr. Matt

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A year ago today.

I’d have been more impressed if he had shoved an ice-pick into his ear.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:15:31am

re: #298 electrotek

I haven’t had a chance to follow much about Asia Argento, so what happened which is getting right-wing erections?

AFAIK, she has discredited the entire #MeToo movement thereby proving that it is just a liberal/feminazi plot to further demonize and persecute virile, successful white males for doing what God put them on Earth to do, namely to be virile and successful.

/

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:16:02am

re: #298 electrotek

I haven’t had a chance to follow much about Asia Argento, so what happened which is getting right-wing erections?

She paid off a 17 year-old boy she’d molested years ago, and blamed Anthony Bordain for the payment.

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electrotek  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:16:57am

re: #303 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

She paid off a 17 yer-old boy she’d molested years ago, and blamed Anthony Bordain for the payment.

Jesus Christ….

Un-fucking-believable.

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danarchy  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:17:51am

re: #298 electrotek

I haven’t had a chance to follow much about Asia Argento, so what happened which is getting right-wing erections?

She settled a sexual assault case with some guy for $380000. The guy was 17 at the time of the encounter which in california is below the age of consent.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:18:19am

re: #304 electrotek

Jesus Christ….

Un-fucking-believable.

It seems like everyone with either the power of money, or the power of physical attractiveness, is abusing it.

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:21:32am

vanityfair.com

Trump’s frustration with Sessions has even caused him to turn on Giuliani. Over the weekend, Trump blamed Giuliani for the entire Russia probe. According to a person to whom the conversation was described, Trump loudly said to his lawyer: “It’s your fault! I offered you attorney general, but you insisted on being secretary of state. Had I picked you none of this would be happening.” (The White House declined to comment.)

i went with italics
should it have been bold and large the whole freakin quote?

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:21:41am

re: #298 electrotek

I haven’t had a chance to follow much about Asia Argento, so what happened which is getting right-wing erections?

Apparently she paid off a male costar for initiating a sexual encounter with him when he was 17. Can’t defend her because he was underage but the story is also kind of fucked up because details of the released documents (a letter between her lawyer and her that the victim would never have had access to) make it clear the story wasn’t leaked by her victim, who hasn’t said anything and isn’t talking. So, whoever leaked the story bypassed his agency once again and made something public he doesn’t seem to have wanted made public.

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makeitstop  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:22:48am

re: #306 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It seems like everyone with either the power of money, or the power of physical attractiveness, is abusing it.

So I’m safe on both counts, then.

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electrotek  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:23:07am

re: #308 goddamnedfrank

Apparently she paid off a male costar for initiating a sexual encounter with him when he was 17. Can’t defend her because he was underage but the story is also kind of fucked up because details of the released documents (a letter between her lawyer and her that the victim would never have had access to) make it clear the story wasn’t leaked by her victim, who hasn’t said anything and isn’t talking. So, whoever leaked the story bypassed his agency once again and made something public he doesn’t seem to have wanted made public.

Whoa, so there’s an obvious agenda that’s behind this release from the looks of it.

Does his feelings matter at all??

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:23:40am

re: #309 makeitstop

So I’m safe on both counts, then.

Yeah, same here.

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ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:25:09am

re: #298 electrotek

I haven’t had a chance to follow much about Asia Argento, so what happened which is getting right-wing erections?

She is accused of sexual assault (raping) a 17 year old boy. There are alleged pay-offs included. So, it has led to Harvey Weinstein’s lawyer questioning the whole of MeToo movement.

In other words…just another messy day in America

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:26:49am

re: #310 electrotek

Whoa, so there’s an obvious agenda that’s behind this release from the looks of it.

Does his feelings matter at all??

He’s the guy who demanded a large sum of money not to talk, and was paid off. His feelings are irrelevant.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:27:03am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:27:49am

re: #312 ObserverArt

She is accused of sexual assault (raping) a 17 year old boy. There are alleged pay-offs included. So, it has led to Harvey Weinstein’s lawyer questioning the whole of MeToo movement.

In other words…just another messy day in America

Of course that’s the lawyer’s job, and I’m pretty sure he knows it won’t gain traction, except among the RWNJs who already approve of sexual abuse.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:28:16am

re: #308 goddamnedfrank

Apparently she paid off a male costar for initiating a sexual encounter with him when he was 17. Can’t defend her because he was underage but the story is also kind of fucked up because details of the released documents (a letter between her lawyer and her that the victim would never have had access to) make it clear the story wasn’t leaked by her victim, who hasn’t said anything and isn’t talking. So, whoever leaked the story bypassed his agency once again and made something public he doesn’t seem to have wanted made public.

I think at least half my high school graduating class might have been “victims” of that “crime.” Maybe it’s just my generation….

(Including me? No comment, and GOML.)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:30:15am

re: #316 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I think at least half my high school graduating class might have been “victims” of that “crime.” Maybe it’s just my generation….

(Including me? No comment, and GOML.)

Really? I only knew one 16 year old that was sleeping with a 34-year-old when I was young. It didn’t seem to be common.

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ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:30:21am

re: #307 dangerman

vanityfair.com

i went with italics
should it have been bold and large the whole freakin quote?

Let’s make this simple for Donny.

Dear Donald J. Trump.

You are a complete fuck-up and have no idea what you are doing.

You blame everyone else for your own ignorance and arrogance.

Do us all a favor, resign.

Signed,
The Citizens of The United States of America.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:32:20am
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electrotek  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:32:40am

re: #317 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Really? I only knew one 16 year old that was sleeping with a 34-year-old when I was young. It didn’t seem to be common.

How old are you now?

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:33:34am

re: #318 ObserverArt

Let’s make this simple for Donny.

Dear Donald J. Trump.

You are a complete fuck-up and have no idea what you are doing.

You blame everyone else for your own ignorance and arrogance.

Do us all a favor, resign.

Signed,
The Citizens of The United States of America.

i am still amazed that he still daily demonstrates how incompetent and unfit he is

and how thoroughly he snowed just enough people that he was brilliant (the smart businessman schtick)

he hasnt even a clue

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:34:03am

re: #317 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Really? I only knew one 16 year old that was sleeping with a 34-year-old when I was young. It didn’t seem to be common.

America has grown progressively more socially and sexually dysfunctional, or at least we are hearing a lot more about the details of what is happening…

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electrotek  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:34:17am

re: #313 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He’s the guy who demanded a large sum of money not to talk, and was paid off. His feelings are irrelevant.

Point well-taken.

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electrotek  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:36:18am

re: #305 danarchy

She settled a sexual assault case with some guy for $380000. The guy was 17 at the time of the encounter which in california is below the age of consent.

That some guy happened to be an actor that she worked with originally when he was 7 in 2004, wow.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:40:16am

re: #320 electrotek

How old are you now?

51. Being young was better.

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electrotek  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:42:15am

re: #325 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

51. Being young was better.

Ah, being 16 in the early 80s

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Sufficient unto the day...  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:44:27am
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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:46:37am

re: #297 Archangelus

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Am i reading this right that they’re basically decided on 17 of the 18 charges against Manafort?

The actual quote by the WaPo is “if we cannot come to a consensus on a single count” which is unclear as to whether it is one or all. The judge said he thought it was one count but unless clarified, it is unclear.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:47:39am

re: #325 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

51. Being young was better.

I think it was, but I can no longer remember what it was like…

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:48:51am

re: #317 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Really? I only knew one 16 year old that was sleeping with a 34-year-old when I was young. It didn’t seem to be common.

I was thinking 20’s. Another thing that bothers me about this is the number of people who routinely lied about their ages — to get alcohol if nothing else — and had fake IDs to back it up. Days of innocence.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:50:44am

re: #328 MsJ

The actual quote by the WaPo is “if we cannot come to a consensus on a single count” which is unclear as to whether it is one or all. The judge said he thought it was one count but unless clarified, it is unclear.

Someone updated the question to read, “….how should we fill out the verdict form on that count.” So I think it’s established that it’s only one. Are the other 17 decided as not guilty? Not likely.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:52:25am

Cohen has an appointment?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:52:47am

re: #327 Sufficient unto the day…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:53:42am

re: #330 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I was thinking 20’s.

That was more common, but the age gap in this case is too large to excuse.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:53:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:55:39am

LOL

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:58:19am

There’s no common-ground with wingnuts.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 21, 2018 • 9:59:02am

re: #334 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That was more common, but the age gap in this case is too large to excuse.

But if he’d been a few months older, all good? I’m afraid we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this.

(I just looked up the age of consent in Italy, since she’s Italian: it is 14.)

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gwangung  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:00:13am

re: #337 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

There’s no common-ground with wingnuts.

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That last tweet from the wingnut was a patronizing and racist comment. Black women in control of their health is NOT genocide.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:00:24am

re: #338 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

But if he’d been a few months older, all good? I’m afraid we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this.

(I just looked up the age of consent in Italy, since she’s Italian: it is 14.)

Yes, you have to draw the line somewhere, and the kid says he was warped by the experience.

That does not make it OK to fuck a child, that makes Italian law wrong.

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:00:33am

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

Bill DeBlasio, the high taxing Mayor of NYC, just stole my campaign slogan: PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT! That’s not at all nice. No imagination!

“I believe that together we can make America great again,” said Clinton is his 1991 presidential announcement speech. In a campaign stop almost a year later, he called on voters “to make America great again economically, educationally, and socially.”

“This country needs a new administration with a renewed dedication to the dream of America, an administration that will give that dream new life, and make America great again,” Reagan said in a Labor Day speech in 1980.

asshat

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:00:57am

re: #334 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That was more common, but the age gap in this case is too large to excuse.

That is not what this case is about, it is about how white men are being persecuted for simply treating women the way that God intended them to do.

/

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stpaulbear  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:01:43am

re: #331 Barefoot Grin

Someone updated the question to read, “….how should we fill out the verdict form on that count.” So I think it’s established that it’s only one. Are the other 17 decided as not guilty? Not likely.

I hope that they’re not so concerned about the one count because it’s the difference between jail time and walking out a free man.

It doesn’t seem like the difference between 200 and 220 year in jail would cause so much angst.

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:01:50am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:03:45am
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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:05:48am

It’s so hard watching this. Fucking republicans. Fuck every last one of them.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:05:54am

What is your favorite age of your life?

Me:
29. The last time I was thin.
68. At last I have some money!

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stpaulbear  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:06:19am

re: #344 MsJ

Maybe Kavanaugh should have taken an Ambien. I hear that helps settle the mind.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:09:30am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

What is your favorite age of your life?

Me:
29. The last time I was thin.
68. At last I have some money!

I was extremely lucky that time didn’t start to visibly wreck me until I was 49.

My best days where when I was in my late teens, early 20s, living with my first serious girlfriend. I thought it would last forever.

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:09:48am

LOL

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:10:07am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

What is your favorite age of your life?

Me:
29. The last time I was thin.
68. At last I have some money!

I had years in which one or several aspects of my life were really good…sex was great when I was 23, music was great when I was 27, money was sufficient when I was 30, family life was fine at around 42, but there were always other mitigating factors.

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:11:33am

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

Even James Clapper has admonished John Brennan for having gone totally off the rails. Maybe Clapper is being nice to me so he doesn’t lose his Security Clearance for lying to Congress!

sorry, missed this on the first pass

what the eff does this mean?
did he just admit it?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:12:11am

Trumporrhoids will buy anything.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:13:24am

re: #353 The Vicious Babushka

Trumporrhoids will buy anything.

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Holy writ for wingnuts.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:13:26am
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stpaulbear  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:13:54am

re: #353 The Vicious Babushka

Trumporrhoids will buy anything.

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I bet Trump sues her. He’ll want the money.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:13:57am

re: #286 wheat-dogg

More hair bullshit.

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Welcome back to school, unless your hair doesn’t conform to white Christian standards.

What was the issue with the girl’s hair?!?

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:14:40am

re: #350 MsJ

LOL

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:15:30am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

What is your favorite age of your life?

Me:
29. The last time I was thin.
68. At last I have some money!

I still have my Faustian bargain, so I can’t talk about it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:16:36am

re: #357 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

What was the issue with the girl’s hair?!?

Extensions.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:17:14am
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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:18:32am

re: #358 Barefoot Grin

this afternoon could get wild

YouTube

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stpaulbear  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:19:00am

re: #359 Belafon

I still have my Faustian bargain, so I can’t talk about it.

For me, part of becoming a bitter old man has been the realization that the happy times of my life were largely a result of extreme cluelessness.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:20:30am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:21:22am

re: #363 stpaulbear

For me, part of becoming a bitter old man has been the realization that the happy times of my life were largely a result of extreme cluelessness.

Same here:

My best days where when I was in my late teens, early 20s, living with my first serious girlfriend. I thought it would last forever.

These days are pretty good too, but that has nothing to do with people in my life.
I just have some really cool toys.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:21:40am

re: #360 The Vicious Babushka

Extensions.

Good grief! Her hair looked perfectly fine and natural.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:23:14am

re: #340 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Yes, you have to draw the line somewhere, and the kid says he was warped by the experience.

That does not make it OK to fuck a child, that makes Italian law wrong.

I’m not thrilled about 14 either (although I know at least three women who weren’t harmed…) but my point is about the expectations she grew up with.

Experience is SUPPOSED to warp us, for better or worse. I’m seriously sick of the apparent belief that we’re supposed to get through life untouched. In this case: really? A 17-year-old marred for life by sex with a 32-year old? Again, maybe it’s just my generation, but that’s hard for me to swallow.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:23:21am

re: #362 dangerman

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Video

Love that doc. I need to get it for my 14yo.

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TedStriker  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:24:42am

re: #363 stpaulbear

For me, part of becoming a bitter old man has been the realization that the happy times of my life were largely a result of extreme cluelessness.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:25:04am

She probably meant “illegal” aliens.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:25:10am

re: #366 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Good grief! Her hair looked perfectly fine and natural.

I thought she looked pretty good too.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:25:45am

re: #370 DodgerFan1988

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She probably meant “illegal” aliens.

They seem to have applied her make up.

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SteelPH  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:27:00am

re: #346 MsJ

It’s so hard watching this. Fucking republicans. Fuck every last one of them.

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They’re goddamn motherfucking piece of shit monsters. Every last one.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:28:31am

re: #367 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I’m not thrilled about 14 either (although I know at least three women who weren’t harmed…) but my point is about the expectations she grew up with.

Experience is SUPPOSED to warp us, for better or worse. I’m seriously sick of the apparent belief that we’re supposed to get through life untouched. In this case: really? A 17-year-old marred for life by sex with a 32-year old? Again, maybe it’s just my generation, but that’s hard for me to swallow.

I knew a woman who was molested as a teenager by an older cousin, and it entirely fucked her up. She’s not even a rational person anymore. Her rage has alienated everyone in her life, including her increasingly frustrated husband.

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:29:08am

re: #363 stpaulbear

For me, part of becoming a bitter old man has been the realization that the happy times of my life were largely a result of extreme cluelessness.

it is always the best of times and the worst of times

i met the love of my life at 20 (the best)
four years later we split up (the next 8 were the worst)
by a twist of fate we found each other 28 years after that
separated by 1500 miles we ‘courted’ for a year while figuring out the future
married for almost 10

i was not in particularly poor shape growing up - reasonably athletic, if not coordinated
these days i run 50-60 miles a week

we’ve worked all our lives. we dont want for much and dont have to worry a lot

“Good times, bad times
You know I had my share”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:29:30am

re: #370 DodgerFan1988

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She probably meant “illegal” aliens.

The Tammy Faye thing she has going is a pretty bright warning signal.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:30:40am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:30:48am

re: #355 The Vicious Babushka

That escalated quickly

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danarchy  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:30:57am

re: #367 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I’m not thrilled about 14 either (although I know at least three women who weren’t harmed…) but my point is about the expectations she grew up with.

Experience is SUPPOSED to warp us, for better or worse. I’m seriously sick of the apparent belief that we’re supposed to get through life untouched. In this case: really? A 17-year-old marred for life by sex with a 32-year old? Again, maybe it’s just my generation, but that’s hard for me to swallow.

She was 37 and he was 17. That isn’t nearly as messed up as the fact that they had first worked together when he was 7. Having sex with someone you watched grow up is creepy as fuck and could totally mess a kid up.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:32:30am

This is going to get ugly:

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Skip Intro  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:32:55am

re: #370 DodgerFan1988

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She probably meant “illegal” aliens.

No, she has the Michell Bachmann crazy eyes and Tammy Faye Baker makeup. I think she means the little green ones.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:32:56am

heh

COLUMBUS - Under different circumstances, Friday’s Ohio Republican Party dinner might have honored Gov. John Kasich for eight years as the state’s largely popular GOP governor.

But Friday’s dinner won’t be about Kasich.

In fact, Kasich said Tuesday that he does not even plan to go. Instead, the night will be about President Donald Trump, who will be headlining the annual fundraiser.

Like so many aspects of GOP politics in Ohio, this isn’t Kasich’s party anymore.

“I don’t need to be going to that dinner,” Kasich said Tuesday, adding that he will spend time with his daughter who is headed to college.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:35:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:35:50am

re: #363 stpaulbear

For me, part of becoming a bitter old man has been the realization that the happy times of my life were largely a result of extreme cluelessness.

I wish I didn’t know now what i didn’t know then…

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ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:36:03am

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Ohio Johnny speaks!

Hahaha. He likes to poke at Big Donny.

He’s still a Republican though. They all need to go down.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:38:57am

re: #379 danarchy

She was 37 and he was 17. That isn’t nearly as messed up as the fact that they had first worked together when he was 7. Having sex with someone you watched grow up is creepy as fuck and could totally mess a kid up.

I’m going to have to leave this because I have to leave, but the fact that they met when he was a child doesn’t mean she watched him grow up.

(It should also be noted that she denies all of this — she says her partner paid the claim to avoid publicity. For what it’s worth.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:40:42am

re: #386 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I’m going to have to leave this because I have to leave, but the fact that they met when he was a child doesn’t mean she watched him grow up.

(It should also be noted that she denies all of this — she says her partner paid the claim to avoid publicity. For what it’s worth.)

the whole point of this publicity again is to discredit the #MeToo movement

that and the fact that we as a nation are obsessed with sex, the more abnormal the more fascinating

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Weaselone  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:42:02am

re: #367 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I’m not thrilled about 14 either (although I know at least three women who weren’t harmed…) but my point is about the expectations she grew up with.

Experience is SUPPOSED to warp us, for better or worse. I’m seriously sick of the apparent belief that we’re supposed to get through life untouched. In this case: really? A 17-year-old marred for life by sex with a 32-year old? Again, maybe it’s just my generation, but that’s hard for me to swallow.

Does this also apply if the situation is reversed and it’s a 32 year old man hooking up with a 17 year old high school student?

There’s power dynamics inherent in this sort of age imbalance, particularly when the younger partner is that young, particularly as we’ve extended childhood for most people through at least the end of high school. Now it may be that this particular 17 year old was mature and capable of making an informed decision about this relationship. There’s obviously a grey area here in the uncoerced consent rule, but she was 32 and he was a minor. She should have known better. This isn’t an 18 year old High School student sleeping with their 17 year old sweetheart.

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electrotek  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:42:04am

re: #387 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the whole point of this publicity again is to discredit the #MeToo movement

that and the fact that we as a nation are obsessed with sex, the more abnormal the more fascinating

While condemning other societies for being “backward” when it comes to such attitudes.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:42:23am

re: #387 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the whole point of this publicity again is to discredit the #MeToo movement

Ding, ding, ding, ding…we have a winner!!!

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Skip Intro  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:43:19am

re: #384 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I wish I didn’t know now what i didn’t know then…

Because I know what I know there’s no way I’d want to be 20 now.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:44:18am

re: #386 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I’m going to have to leave this because I have to leave, but the fact that they met when he was a child doesn’t mean she watched him grow up.

(It should also be noted that she denies all of this — she says her partner paid the claim to avoid publicity. For what it’s worth.)

She has to deny it, since a prosecutor is interested. We’ll probably never know if it’s true, but no one is going to accept blaming a dead-man for the payout.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:44:33am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:46:01am
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Belafon  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:46:15am

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

“We can trust that guy because he admits to being a Nazi. You, on the other hand, won’t, so how can we trust you?”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:46:29am

re: #387 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the whole point of this publicity again is to discredit the #MeToo movement

that and the fact that we as a nation are obsessed with sex, the more abnormal the more fascinating

We’ve had the Internet for 30+ years. Of course the vanilla stuff isn’t going to do it anymore.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:47:03am

re: #389 electrotek

While condemning other societies for being “backward” when it comes to such attitudes.

they all have their own ways of being obsessed with sex…I find that America’s obsession stems from the way that we associate physicality and sensuality directly with sexuality, and sexuality directly with morality…other societies do not see such a close and immediate link between them.

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Alephnaught  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:48:02am

re: #327 Sufficient unto the day…

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Can’t help noticing that amongst all the Whataboutery in that RWNJ’s tweet is this “Can’t wait for the purge” rhetoric. That’s pretty obvious eliminationist rhetoric, which shows precisely how skin-deep his proffessed “Pro-Life” stance really is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:48:05am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:48:50am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:48:56am

re: #391 Skip Intro

Because I know what I know there’s no way I’d want to be 20 now.

I would. I’d love to have 50 years of playing VR games with a healthy body, and watching technology improve, rather than the few healthy years I have left.

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electrotek  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:49:33am

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A III%’er attempted to blow up a bank building in Oklahoma around this time last year.

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:50:14am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:51:15am

re: #41 gocart mozart

This is an example of how sick the anti choicers are.

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Good point.

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wrenchwench  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:52:25am

re: #363 stpaulbear

For me, part of becoming a bitter old man has been the realization that the happy times of my life were largely a result of extreme cluelessness.

What is your favorite age of your life?

Me:

17. I knew everything.

60. Found out I was wrong.

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makeitstop  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:52:45am

re: #403 MsJ

Judge Epstein dismissed their defamation suit and ruled the #Trump dossier is protected by first amendment and public interest.

Kinda takes the wind out of Trump’s repeated claim that it’s been ‘discredited,’ doesn’t it?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:53:14am

Ahhh…
The memories

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makeitstop  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:55:59am

re: #407 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Ahhh…
The memories

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Yeah, it’s worth remembering what an arrogant prick this guy was.

They all were after they won. And except for their moron messiah, I’ll bet none of them are so cocky any more.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:56:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:57:23am
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Kragar  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:59:15am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 21, 2018 • 10:59:41am

re: #407 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:00:11am

re: #410 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wonder if he uses Memorex in his VCR.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:00:21am

re: #410 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Donnie’s 1000 terabyte DVR has to be cleared out on a monthly basis.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:00:29am
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Alephnaught  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:00:50am

re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

His tweets are starting to be the Twitter equivalent of birds and animals growing agitated and fleeing before an earthquake hits

Yes, and I’ve been seeing this sort of talk on this site for a couple of months now.

So, if we’re talking about this, you can be pretty sure governments across the world, particularly their intelligence agencies, have been talking about it for far longer.

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TedStriker  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:01:26am

re: #411 Kragar

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Agolf Twitler ain’t gonna be happy with that…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:02:04am

re: #405 wrenchwench

What is your favorite age of your life?

Me:

17. I knew everything.

60. Found out I was wrong.

that about sums it up, yes

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:02:13am

re: #400 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Gov Christie adds re: news about the President’s former personal lawyer…. it is never good to have people in your close, inner circle plea guilty to crimes

hey chris:

does that mean they should never ever plea(d)?
or that they shouldn’t get caught?

cause you can’t really hafta say they shouldnt, you know, commit crimes

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Skip Intro  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:03:10am

re: #417 TedStriker

Agolf Twitler ain’t gonna be happy with that…

Buy he has to wait until Fox tells him what to say.

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:04:18am

re: #406 makeitstop

Kinda takes the wind out of Trump’s repeated claim that it’s been ‘discredited,’ doesn’t it?

well it could still be “fake news”
we all know that fake news is protected under the 1A — cf: fox, jones, etc

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:05:07am

re: #417 TedStriker

Agolf Twitler ain’t gonna be happy with that…

Nor will Hannity, I presume.

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:05:21am

re: #408 makeitstop

Yeah, it’s worth remembering what an arrogant prick this guy was.

They all were after they won. And except for their moron messiah, I’ll bet none of them are so cocky any more.

they actually made every possible wrong move

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makeitstop  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:06:11am

re: #423 dangerman

they actually made every possible wrong move

‘Pride goeth before a fall’ made flesh.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:06:26am

re: #407 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Ahhh…
The memories

This tweet has not, what’s the term, uh, aged well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:07:02am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:07:17am

re: #411 Kragar

“why do all these homos keep s***cking my c****?”

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Kragar  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:12:43am
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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:12:58am

With Cohen’s plea and [possibly] Manafort’s verdict coming out today, expect Donnie to find a new and previously unknown gear for rage tweeting.

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:13:32am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:15:00am

re: #429 Dr. Matt

With Cohen’s plea and [possibly] Manafort’s verdict coming out today, expect Donnie to find a new and previously unknown gear for rage tweeting.

Mother Popcorn - James Brown

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:15:07am
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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:16:10am

re: #428 Kragar

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As part of the plea deal under discussion, Cohen is not expected to cooperate with the government, one source said. However, by pleading guilty both Cohen and prosecutors would avoid the spectacle and uncertainty of a trial.

NBC News reported earlier Tuesday on Cohen’s potential plea deal.

If a deal is reached, it could be a significant blow for Trump. Cohen was part of Trump’s inner circle for more than a decade, working as his personal attorney at the Trump Organization and continuing to advise the President after the election

Jebus fucking christ…..the media sucks.

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gocart mozart  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:16:15am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:19:01am

blech

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:19:55am

should be good when the moron starts attacking Amy McGrath as weak on veterans…

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:20:11am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:20:50am

re: #306 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It seems like everyone with either the power of money, or the power of physical attractiveness, is abusing it.

Lucky for me, then, that I lack both!
//

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dangerman  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:21:25am

re: #375 dangerman

and in case “it is always the best of times and the worst of times” wasnt clear

i’m a libra

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:22:14am

re: #429 Dr. Matt

With Cohen’s plea and [possibly] Manafort’s verdict coming out today, expect Donnie to find a new and previously unknown gear for rage tweeting.

The witch hunt has turned into a full-on auto-da-fe. Bring more fagots!!!

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:23:20am
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Skip Intro  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:26:31am

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

Truly the stupidest woman in the Senate. She falls for everything, or she’s just a liar. Being a Republican it is hard to tell which.

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:27:52am

re: #442 Skip Intro

Truly the stupidest woman in the Senate. She falls for everything, or she’s just a liar. Being a Republican it is hard to tell which.

All of ‘em, Katie.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:27:55am

re: #442 Skip Intro

Truly the stupidest woman in the Senate. She falls for everything, or she’s just a liar. Being a Republican it is hard to tell which.

Charlie Brown to McConnell’s Lucy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:28:00am

re: #442 Skip Intro

Truly the stupidest woman in the Senate. She falls for everything, or she’s just a liar. Being a Republican it is hard to tell which.

They will say whatever it takes to get Roe v Wade overturned and are unashamed about lying for what they consider the Greater Good.

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:28:23am
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Weaselone  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:28:47am

re: #442 Skip Intro

Truly the stupidest woman in the Senate. She falls for everything, or she’s just a liar. Being a Republican it is hard to tell which.

In most cases I would go with both, but in Collins’ case, she’s probably just liar.

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:28:53am

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

Settled law, which the Supreme Court has been known to overturn.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:28:58am

re: #446 MsJ

But, you know, he hires the best people….

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:29:40am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:29:49am

re: #410 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:30:01am
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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:31:44am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:31:44am
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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:33:12am

Turn on CNN to see if there is breaking news of Rudy driving out of DC in a white bronco with Donnie hiding in the back.

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retired cynic  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:35:03am

Heh. Saw a comment on Renato Marrioto’s feed:

Remove 45s co-criminals on separate charges…the cheese stands alone.

I like that. The Cheese Stands Alone!

457
MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:35:59am
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Kragar  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:36:39am

re: #455 Dr. Matt

Stealing that

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:36:58am
460
MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:37:29am

Well, shit.

deleted…old

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MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:38:33am

re: #460 MsJ

462
Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:39:30am

“Cohen flipping means he isn’t flipping”
-Rudy Giuliani

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:40:09am

re: #461 MsJ

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Prayer worked! Praise be, the cancer has been moved back to 2015 where it could be defeated!.

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stpaulbear  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:40:09am

re: #454 Charles Johnson

Kyle Griffin

@kylegriffin1
The Michael Cohen plea deal with prosecutors is regarding payments he made to women for Trump, a person familiar with the matter tells NYT.

But Donald said it was going to be because of taxi medallions!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:40:34am

re: #462 Dr. Matt

“Cohen flipping means he isn’t flipping”
-Rudy Giuliani

Sadly, it looks like he isn’t flipping, just pleading guilty.

466
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:40:41am

re: #456 retired cynic

Heh. Saw a comment on Renato Marrioto’s feed:

I like that. The Cheese Stands Alone!

especially if it is in a spray can

467
MsJ  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:41:41am
468
Kragar  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:41:46am

One theory, and the one I’m hoping for, is that Cohen didn’t make a plea deal which included cooperation because Prosecutors have everything they need and don’t need him to cooperate.

469
Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:42:38am

Tonight on Tucker Carlson: Pandas that act like humans

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b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:42:53am

Overlooked, less than 2 months ago Cohen was still:

National Deputy Fnance Chair of the RNC

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:45:57am

re: #470 b.d.(great patriot hostage)

Overlooked, less than 2 months ago Cohen was still:

National Deputy Fnance Chair of the RNC

He just brought them coffee, right?

472
Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:46:39am

re: #471 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He just brought them coffee, right?

…cofeve…

473
Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:47:19am

re: #468 Kragar

One theory, and the one I’m hoping for, is that Cohen didn’t make a plea deal which included cooperation because Prosecutors have everything they need and don’t need him to cooperate.

And if indeed he is pleading to the charges about payments to Donnie’s mistresses, this is small potatoes. Get this small catch out of the way and focus on the big catch.

474
wrenchwench  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:47:51am

re: #468 Kragar

One theory, and the one I’m hoping for, is that Cohen didn’t make a plea deal which included cooperation because Prosecutors have everything they need and don’t need him to cooperate.

Sound good to me.

475
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:48:21am

re: #473 Dr. Matt

And if indeed he is pleading to the charges about payments to Donnie’s mistresses, this is small potatoes. Get this small catch out of the way and focus on the big catch.

Those payments could constitute a violation of campaign laws and directly implicate DT.

476
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:50:51am
477
Dizzy  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:51:59am
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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:52:20am

Donnie’s “To Do” List After Michael Cohen Plea:
1. Attack someone Black on Twitter

479
Barefoot Grin  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:54:00am

re: #468 Kragar

One theory, and the one I’m hoping for, is that Cohen didn’t make a plea deal which included cooperation because Prosecutors have everything they need and don’t need him to cooperate.

My thought, too.

480
Sir John Barron  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:54:44am

re: #469 Dr. Matt

Tonight on Tucker Carlson: Pandas that act like humans

“Why does that Ohr guy at DOJ still have a job after ordering the illegal DJT dossier?”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:55:46am

re: #466 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

especially if it is in a spray can

I love sleazy-cheese on Ritz crackers because it brings back memories of childhood vacations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:57:26am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 21, 2018 • 11:57:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2018 • 12:00:35pm

re: #481 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I love sleazy-cheese on Ritz crackers because it brings back memories of childhood vacations.

Cheese in a spray can is a bit of an abomination but it is great for backpacking trips, does not go off even after a week on the trail.


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