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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 27, 2019 • 9:11:10pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2019 • 9:19:31pm

re: #1 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

Is it just a coincidence that he looks like Wilbur Ross?

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2019 • 9:42:21pm

‘nighty night lizards

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 27, 2019 • 10:31:22pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 27, 2019 • 10:33:55pm

re: #4 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Let me guess: tort reform, sale of policies across state lines, and high risk pools for people with pre-existing conditions. Otherwise known as “hurry up and die already.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 27, 2019 • 10:38:30pm

So, according to David Clark, Twitter’s most popular Brexit alternatives have been expanded to:

1. Alien invasion.
2. Absolute monarchy.
3. Zombie apocalypse.
4. Military takeover - a few people asking who our generals are.
5. Extinction level event through asteroid strike.

One commenter: I feel utterly embarrassed to admit I’m British.

While our aagcobb@aagcobb1 responded: At least you’re not American.

The two great democracies that saved the world from Hitler (with Russia’s assistance) are failing. It’s unclear if there is anyone to rescue Britain; and it’s unclear that even with herculean efforts, the Dems can surmount the obstacles from Trump and McConnell to rescue us.

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sagehen  Mar 27, 2019 • 11:41:10pm

The Atlantic looks back at the Al Franken brouhaha

theatlantic.com
Democrats Need to Learn From Their Al Franken Mistake
The country lost an opportunity to model how fair procedures can work in a #MeToo case.

The Senate is the rare workplace in which an established set of procedures addresses such violations. The inquiries are conducted by staff (or sometimes outside attorneys) with subpoena power. They are intended to provide an unbiased examination, and recommend proportional punishment—if appropriate. One of the greatest misfortunes of the Franken case is that this process was abruptly terminated in favor of political posturing.

As a result, the country lost an opportunity. The Senate could have modeled how fair procedures can work in a #MeToo case outside the criminal-justice system, illustrating the necessity of restraint and patience when volatile issues are being adjudicated. It should be a source of shame to Franken’s erstwhile colleagues who called for his premature departure that they flouted the basic principles of fairness that underlie the constitutional oath they take.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:36:39am

Nuclear proliferation.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:46:40am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:16:12am

re: #8 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

SCOOP: The U.S. Department of Energy has approved six authorizations for U.S. companies seeking to conduct nuclear related work in Saudi Arabia

Nothing say “We support Israel” more clearly than selling nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia…

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:17:24am

Update on the Swedbank saga:
o Stock has fluctuated at most -15%, trading stopped.
o CEO fired.
o EBM’s (Financial Crimes Authority (Ekobrottsmyndigheten)) prosecutor says that the bank is not co-operating in some aspects of the investigation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:19:20am

re: #6 Hecuba’s daughter

So, according to David Clark, Twitter’s most popular Brexit alternatives have been expanded to:

1. Alien invasion.
2. Absolute monarchy.
3. Zombie apocalypse.
4. Military takeover - a few people asking who our generals are.
5. Extinction level event through asteroid strike.

For all my British FB Brexit posters, I have proposed the following:

Hold a new referendum.

It should be binding and mandatory for all citizens.

If Leave wins, then everyone is automatically registered for the daily 50 million-pound lottery drawing. And for the daily drawing to see which person is allowed to leave the country that day. Everyone else has to stay. Permanently.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:09:54am

Good Morning. I’ve had to turn it off or at least turn the noise way the fuck down after this Mueller affair.
I also fired up that old coal forge I got.

My first forged steel looks like a burnt cat turd, hence, The Cat Turd Twist! But it’s mine.

Oh, best Name you’ll hear all day:
Agolf Twitler……

Sweet Thursday

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:13:40am

Hell, if they will believe anything he spews out of his pie hole they believe this.

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:26:48am
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Dave In Austin  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:52:37am
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Dave In Austin  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:59:28am

He Mad.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:06:06am

OMFG!!!’ This thread! The Smarm of it all!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:07:07am

re: #18 Dave In Austin

OMFG!!!’ This thread! The Smarm of it all!

Smarmalade

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Dave In Austin  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:08:11am

re: #19 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Smarmalade

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:20:13am

A K-pop star was recently arrested for sharing in an online chat group sex videos he took with several women (without their knowledge). Asian Boss took to the streets of Seoul to get some reactions, and I found them very interesting.

Koreans React To Jung Joon-young Arrest Over Sex Video Scandal | ASIAN BOSS

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:30:32am
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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:36:28am

re: #22 Teukka

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“Night Wolves is a carefully curated façade meant to provide a semblance of rebelliousness all while the group serves as a tool of the state.”

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Sufficient unto the day...  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:51:34am
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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:58:49am

re: #24 Sufficient unto the day…

You know the milk went bad, but you gotta take a whiff…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:09:16am

re: #22 Teukka

Putin’s Night Wolves motorcycle gang spreads to Finland, 1st RMI chapter established to small city of Forssa.

Finland has a Russian ethnic minority in the eastern Karelian provinces. So Putin is pulling the Sudetenland trick here, using national minorities as proxies.

And they already have the Sons of Odin, a white supremacist group.

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:18:17am

Regardless of how you feel about the Smollett case drama at this point, this is not kosher. This is the trial run for open, endless persecution of anyone Trump considers an enemy, of personally slamming his fat stubby thumb onto the legal proceedings so he sees that only people that he personally sees guilty get comeuppance.

This is fucking not right.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:23:07am

re: #27 Citizen K

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Regardless of how you feel about the Smollett case drama at this point, this is not kosher. This is the trial run for open, endless persecution of anyone Trump considers an enemy, of personally slamming his fat stubby thumb onto the legal proceedings so he sees that only people that he personally sees guilty get comeuppance.

This is fucking not right.

Because Trump came out against JS personally and is not about to back down…

Central Park Five, anyone?

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sagehen  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:24:20am

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Finland has a Russian ethnic minority in the eastern Karelian provinces. So Putin is pulling the Sudetenland trick here, using national minorities as proxies.

And they already have the Sons of Odin, a white supremacist group.

So they’re going to try to Crimea again?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:25:30am

re: #29 sagehen

So they’re going to try to Crimea again?

He is going to do that everywhere there is a large Russian ethnic minority: Baltic states, Central Asian republics, Byelarus…

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:25:52am

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because Trump came out against JS personally and is not about to back down…

Central Park Five, anyone?

Except now he has the power to directly compel action, because half the fucking country saw his reputation and screamed “THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT FROM AMERICA!” And they’re sure to be fucking giddy over an evil brown person getting his because Trump is their patron saint, I’m fucking sure.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:38:05am

WagakkiBand. It’s like modern Japan in a nutshell.

【和楽器バンド】天樂 Tengaku 【VOCALOID】

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:38:36am

While the orange-shit goblin said it, what is the justice department’s opinion and legal authority on opening a sealed case?

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:42:53am

re: #33 Colère Tueur de Lapin

To go after Rahm Emanuel. That’s Trump’s end game.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:44:08am

re: #31 Citizen K

Except now he has the power to directly compel action, because half the fucking country saw his reputation and screamed “THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT FROM AMERICA!” And they’re sure to be fucking giddy over an evil brown person getting his because Trump is their patron saint, I’m fucking sure.

Just imagine Tonight’s Trump rally where he screams about Smolett and the racist crowd yells Lock Him Up. The crackers are going to have a massive orgasm over that. It’s what they live for—to see Trump kick down colored people.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:44:40am

re: #34 Shropshire Slasher

To go after Rahm Emanuel. That’s Trump’s end game.

One degree of separation from Obama and any way to attack Chicago. Sounds about right.

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:47:00am

re: #34 Shropshire Slasher

To go after Rahm Emanuel. That’s Trump’s end game.

re: #36 Colère Tueur de Lapin

One degree of separation from Obama and any way to attack Chicago. Sounds about right.

Pretty sure that both Rahm Emanuel and Trump are both united in wanting to see Smolett crucified.

EDIT: Also:

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William Lewis  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:47:20am

re: #32 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

WagakkiBand. It’s like modern Japan in a nutshell.

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Video

That is, to me, even better than the Mongolian Metal band from a little while back. Beautiful variations on some very classic sounds. I’m going to need to find more of them. Thank you!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:52:29am

re: #31 Citizen K

Except now he has the power to directly compel action, because half the fucking country saw his reputation and screamed “THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT FROM AMERICA!” And they’re sure to be fucking giddy over an evil brown person getting his because Trump is their patron saint, I’m fucking sure.

evil brown gay person, even

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:53:29am

re: #37 Citizen K

Pretty sure that both Rahm Emanuel and Trump are both united in wanting to see Smolett crucified.

If I were a betting man, I would put money on Rahm ordered the dropping of charges.

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jeffreyw  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:53:45am

Keep looking!

Good morning!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:56:44am

re: #38 William Lewis

That is, to me, even better than the Mongolian Metal band from a little while back. Beautiful variations on some very classic sounds. I’m going to need to find more of them. Thank you!

I just found them, courtesy of my drummer girl KalonicaNicx’s cover of one of their tunes. I said to myself, wow, I gotta share this! And you’re welcome!

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:56:45am

re: #40 Shropshire Slasher

If I were a betting man, I would put money on Rahm ordered the dropping of charges.

If he did order it, then he’s doing even more cynical calculation than I could have imagined, and I already have an extremely cynical impression of him even before this shit blew up.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:57:47am

re: #40 Shropshire Slasher

If I were a betting man, I would put money on Rahm ordered the dropping of charges.

You would lose the bet.

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel says Jussie Smollett case is ‘making fools of all of us’

On Tuesday, Rahm called the debacle “a whitewash of justice” during a joint press conference with Chicago Police Supt. Eddie T. Johnson, who still believes Smollett is guilty and owes the city an apology.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:58:06am

re: #6 Hecuba’s daughter

So, according to David Clark, Twitter’s most popular Brexit alternatives have been expanded to:

1. Alien invasion.
2. Absolute monarchy.
3. Zombie apocalypse.
4. Military takeover - a few people asking who our generals are.
5. Extinction level event through asteroid strike.

One commenter: I feel utterly embarrassed to admit I’m British.

While our aagcobb@aagcobb1 responded: At least you’re not American.

The two great democracies that saved the world from Hitler (with Russia’s assistance) are failing. It’s unclear if there is anyone to rescue Britain; and it’s unclear that even with herculean efforts, the Dems can surmount the obstacles from Trump and McConnell to rescue us.

Trump barely scratched out an electoral college victory against the most unpopular Democratic nominee ever and his poll numbers still stink. All the GOP has to run on is White Nationalism, and they got trounced by a 10 million vote margin in House voting last November running on that message*. If Democrats unite around the common goal of defeating Trump he will have a very hard time getting re-elected.

*Even though the GOP picked up Senate seats due to how red the Senate map was, the Democrats actually won the national Senate popular vote by 18 million votes (7 million outside California, where the GOP didn’t have a candidate in the general).

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:58:53am

re: #43 Citizen K

The Chief of Police already did a good job at tainting the jury pool. He didn’t say that without orders. The DA didn’t willingly fall on her sword. Her decision was a career ender.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:59:24am

re: #44 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Talk is cheap. You believe him?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:02:37am

The prosecutor did not see sufficient grounds to warrant a successful prosecution. That is often the case…look at Zimmerman/Martin.

Too much publicity attached to this from day one. Charles did a good job of ignoring it, as I have been doing up to the point when Trump decides that he has to get Presidentially involved in it

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:03:03am

re: #47 Shropshire Slasher

Talk is cheap. You believe him?

Considering the pattern of his tenure as mayor? I’m pretty sure I’d believe him when he’s being this upfront about zero accountability for the police and max for perceived perps. ‘When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time’ and all that.

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:05:09am

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yep, and it’s important now especially, for the reasons Adam Serwer lays out:

Basically reiterating what I said said less eloquently before: this is basically Trump trying to sell Reverse Racism as the only ‘real’ Racism to juice up the base and further electorate.

EDIT: And his points in the 3rd tweet really get to what has irked me since the news about charges being dropped came in: Folks trying to paint Jussie Smollett walking free as somehow ‘elites’ getting special treatment. As if Jussie Smollett represented some mass of rich black oligarchs secretly controlling and demanding favors from the city. The weird ass fucking inversion that folks who aren’t racist are somehow the most elitist and exclusionary of all, keeping those genuine, down to earth, suspicious of brown folk down with all their super-elitism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:07:13am

re: #50 Citizen K

Yep, and it’s important now especially, for the reasons Adam Serwer lays out:

Basically reiterating what I said said less eloquently before: this is basically Trump trying to sell Reverse Racism as the only ‘real’ Racism to juice up the base and further electorate.

And he has already spoken out on it and is not going back down or even appear to be backing down. I see this is as much of a personal issue to him as it is a matter of his sullen racism.

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:09:00am

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And he has already spoken out on it and is not going back down or even appear to be backing down. I see this is as much of a personal issue to him as it is a matter of his sullen racism.

I’m pretty sure it’s a personal issue to him precisely because of his sullen racism.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:12:05am

re: #52 Citizen K

I’m pretty sure it’s a personal issue to him precisely because of his sullen racism.

Trump does not like black people being more successful and well liked than he is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:12:16am

re: #52 Citizen K

I’m pretty sure it’s a personal issue to him precisely because of his sullen racism.

He already spoke out on it in public. Don’t retreat, reload!!!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:13:16am

re: #52 Citizen K

I’m pretty sure it’s a personal issue to him precisely because of his sullen racism.

Especially since Smollet claimed his attackers were Trump supporters; that is enough reason right there for Trump to go after him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:15:25am

re: #55 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Especially since Smollet claimed his attackers were Trump supporters; that is enough reason right there for Trump to go after him.

I have not been keeping up with the story close enough, only that the Chicago Prosecutor made a decision not to press charges. There could be any number of reasons for that, but those are lost in the shouting match that has ensued following this incident.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:19:59am

WTFITS????

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:20:36am

re: #47 Shropshire Slasher

Talk is cheap. You believe him?

No reason not to at this point. If you have a reason not to believe him, please show us.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:24:28am

Yes, teabaggers are that dumb!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:25:25am

re: #57 Dave In Austin

WTFITS????

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Well Jerry needs to cash to keep paying off his pool boy stud!

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Sufficient unto the day...  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:26:55am

re: #57 Dave In Austin

Who would know more about aviation logistics than…

*checks notes*
*checks again*

A religious school.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:28:20am

re: #59 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes, teabaggers are that dumb!

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It was clever rebranding by the GOP, to obscure the equivalence. In KY, the Democrats compounded the problem by renaming the state ACA exchange “Kynect,” in a presumed effort to distance themselves for PR reasons from the ACA and “Obamacare.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:28:51am

re: #61 Sufficient unto the day…

Who would know more about aviation logistics than…

*checks notes*
*checks again*

A religious school.

Its all about the grift.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:30:00am

re: #62 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It was clever rebranding by the GOP, to obscure the equivalence. In KY, the Democrats compounded the problem by renaming the state ACA exchange “Kynect,” in a presumed effort to distance themselves for PR reasons from the ACA and “Obamacare.”

It worked, which didn’t keep Bevin from trashing one of the best state exchanges in the nation when he became Governor.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:31:04am

re: #62 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It was clever rebranding by the GOP, to obscure the equivalence. In KY, the Democrats compounded the problem by renaming the state ACA exchange “Kynect,” in a presumed effort to distance themselves for PR reasons from the ACA and “Obamacare.”

McConnell promised that ACA wouldn’t kill Kynect.

Kentucky voters were stupid enough to believe him.

Bevin gets in and kills Kynect.

The voters respond by casting more votes for Rand Paul and Trump.

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:33:04am

re: #66 Joe Bacon 🌹

McConnell promised that ACA wouldn’t kill Kynect.

Kentucky voters were stupid enough to believe him.

Bevin gets in and kills Kynect.

The voters respond by casting more votes for Rand Paul and Trump.

Bevin all but ran on hollowing out ACA and Kynect and won comfortably.

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:34:03am
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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:34:54am

re: #61 Sufficient unto the day…

Liberty U apparently has a flight school, and that’s where the fuel sales are coming from.

It makes no sense to have this deal in place, but Trump’s rewarding his cronies with government contracts.

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:35:30am

re: #68 lawhawk

Considering how toothless and downright enabling Twitter has been: don’t trust, verify.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:37:54am

re: #67 Citizen K

Bevin all but ran on hollowing out ACA and Kynect and won comfortably.

Still remember the New York Times article on Bevin voters who were on Kynect and gladly voted for Bevin because Jesus told them to…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:40:41am

re: #71 Joe Bacon 🌹

Still remember the New York Times article on Bevin voters who were on Kynect and gladly voted for Bevin because Jesus told them to…

There are many times I have been embarrassed to say I lived in KY for almost 30 years. There, the dumb people vastly outnumber the smart people.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:40:48am

re: #66 Joe Bacon 🌹

McConnell promised that ACA wouldn’t kill Kynect.

Kentucky voters were stupid enough to believe him.

Bevin gets in and kills Kynect.

The voters respond by casting more votes for Rand Paul and Trump.

We have a lot of poorly educated Trump fans in Kentucky.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:43:19am

re: #71 Joe Bacon 🌹

Still remember the New York Times article on Bevin voters who were on Kynect and gladly voted for Bevin because Jesus told them to…

Maybe this is heartless — but I will certainly never help someone financially who needs medical care but who supports Trump or the Republican Party.

Of course, maybe Trump will propose “Medicare for All” but call it Trumpcare. What happens to the Democrats if the Republican Party actually does that?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:43:52am

re: #73 NO SMOCKING GUN!

We have a lot of poorly educated Trump fans in Kentucky.

Two of them are in my extended family. They both depend on VA benefits and disability payments, yet expect Trump & Co. to keep them solvent.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:45:47am

re: #74 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe this is heartless — but I will certainly never help someone financially who needs medical care but who supports Trump or the Republican Party.

Of course, maybe Trump will propose “Medicare for All” but call it Trumpcare. What happens to the Democrats if the Republican Party actually does that?

Don’t think it will happen…too many GOP are against it under any name.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:48:40am

re: #74 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe this is heartless — but I will certainly never help someone financially who needs medical care but who supports Trump or the Republican Party.

I know all about it.

Brainwashed nephew, two disabled kids on SSI, votes straight Republican because he hates Muslims and the Government. Endlessly posts his hatred of “Ho-Bama” and his “TS” wife on his Facebook page. Refuses to sign up for what he calls “N-Word” care. Refused to do Medicaid redeterminations so his sons lost their medical care. He sets up a GoFundMe for their medical bills.

Niece has two disabled daughters, won’t use the ACA because it’s ungodly. Says the Lord will take care of them.

Other relatives just as ignorant…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:48:50am

re: #74 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe this is heartless — but I will certainly never help someone financially who needs medical care but who supports Trump or the Republican Party.

Of course, maybe Trump will propose “Medicare for All” but call it Trumpcare. What happens to the Democrats if the Republican Party actually does that?

I heard in one meeting Trump actually said “why don’t we just give everyone Medicare?” But an article I read in the NYT indicates that CoS and hard right ideologue Mike Mulvaney has Trump’s ear on healthcare, so there is no chance we will actually see such a proposal. Fortunately I have no doubt that Roberts won’t strike down the ACA based on the ludicrous theory in the 5th Circuit.

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:49:56am

re: #74 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe this is heartless — but I will certainly never help someone financially who needs medical care but who supports Trump or the Republican Party.

Of course, maybe Trump will propose “Medicare for All” but call it Trumpcare. What happens to the Democrats if the Republican Party actually does that?

He’s not proposing anything even beginning to approach Medicare for All. Just watch. It’s going to be as much vaporware as his infrastructure plan, which is still awaiting a full accounting and review.

Trump’s budget calls for gutting health coverage under Medicaid and Medicare.

He’s calling for $300 billion in Medicare cuts over next 10 years and $845 billion in cuts to Medicaid. That means worse outcomes and worse coverage for millions. It shifts the burdens of health care on to those least able to endure them.

Trump’s solution is fuck you, I’ve got mine. It’s the millionaire’s conceit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:50:53am

re: #78 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I heard in one meeting Trump actually said “why don’t we just give everyone Medicare?” But an article I read in the NYT indicates that CoS and hard right ideologue Mike Mulvaney has Trump’s ear on healthcare, so there is no chance we will actually see such a proposal. Fortunately I have no doubt that Roberts won’t strike down the ACA based on the ludicrous theory in the 5th Circuit.

I have no faith in Roberts. I will not be surprised if the Court votes 5-4 to kill ACA. And I fully expect the crackers who get hurt to blame Obama and the Democrats just like they did in Kentucky.

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:53:57am

re: #79 lawhawk

He’s not proposing anything even beginning to approach Medicare for All. Just watch. It’s going to be as much vaporware as his infrastructure plan, which is still awaiting a full accounting and review.

Trump’s budget calls for gutting health coverage under Medicaid and Medicare.

He’s calling for $300 billion in Medicare cuts over next 10 years and $845 billion in cuts to Medicaid. That means worse outcomes and worse coverage for millions. It shifts the burdens of health care on to those least able to endure them.

Trump’s solution is fuck you, I’ve got mine. It’s the millionaire’s conceit.

Exactly. We don’t have to worry about it. But if he did, the Democrats should write it up, vote it through the House, and watch McConnell squirm. And if he does pass it without colors, we cheer. And Trump will still lose.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:54:01am

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:54:26am

re: #80 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have no faith in Roberts. I will not be surprised if the Court votes 5-4 to kill ACA. And I fully expect the crackers who get hurt to blame Obama and the Democrats just like they did in Kentucky.

Well Roberts had two chances to strike down the ACA based on better theories and he didn’t, plus he has to know that if he takes healthcare away from 20 million Americans in an election year he will pretty much guarantee a landslide Democratic victory, so it would be very strange for him to utterly destroy his own credibility and the GOP’s election chances with such a ruling.

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:55:12am

re: #80 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have no faith in Roberts. I will not be surprised if the Court votes 5-4 to kill ACA. And I fully expect the crackers who get hurt to blame Obama and the Democrats just like they did in Kentucky.

I’m absolutely expecting Roberts to be like ‘People have healthcare now, so we don’t need the ACA anymore’.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:57:03am

re: #80 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have no faith in Roberts. I will not be surprised if the Court votes 5-4 to kill ACA. And I fully expect the crackers who get hurt to blame Obama and the Democrats just like they did in Kentucky.

People would look back on this period of history, if the ACA gets shitcanned, and shake their heads, much as we shake our heads at Prohibition. They will wonder, “How could people be so fucking dumb? They had affordable health care and voted it away, just because they didn’t want minorities and poor people getting decent health care.”

Those who can afford to will go to Mexico and Canada for health care. If Puerto Rico were extra smart, it would re-imagine itself as a low-cost medical care mecca for stupid Anglos from the mainland.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:57:20am

re: #83 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Well Roberts had two chances to strike down the ACA based on better theories and he didn’t, plus he has to know that if he takes healthcare away from 20 million Americans in an election year he will pretty much guarantee a landslide Democratic victory, so it would be very strange for him to utterly destroy his own credibility and the GOP’s election chances with such a ruling.

Roberts knows that the days of a 5-4 Republican lock on the court is coming to an end when the Democrats get the Presidency and Senate back.

I fully expect them to get revenge on McConnell by expanding the court and packing it first with Merrick Garland then putting more women on the court to shut down the Five Rubber Stamps.

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:58:31am

re: #80 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have no faith in Roberts. I will not be surprised if the Court votes 5-4 to kill ACA. And I fully expect the crackers who get hurt to blame Obama and the Democrats just like they did in Kentucky.

Roberts justified the existence of the ACA on specific grounds. If the individual mandate penalty no longer exists, that would give Roberts the justification needed to rule the remainder is no longer viable.

The problem is that when drafted, the ACA didn’t include a severability clause.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:01:17am

re: #87 lawhawk

Roberts justified the existence of the ACA on specific grounds. If the individual mandate penalty no longer exists, that would give Roberts the justification needed to rule the remainder is no longer viable.

The problem is that when drafted, the ACA didn’t include a severability clause.

Which is what I expect will be the main point in the 5-4 decision to kill the whole ACA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:03:19am

re: #85 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Those who can afford to will go to Mexico and Canada for health care. If Puerto Rico were extra smart, it would re-imagine itself as a low-cost medical care mecca for stupid Anglos from the mainland.

I am sure that the Mainland government would shut that down in a big hurry as soon as their donors from the medical care industry saw they were losing customers

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:03:51am

...

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:03:58am

re: #80 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have no faith in Roberts. I will not be surprised if the Court votes 5-4 to kill ACA. And I fully expect the crackers who get hurt to blame Obama and the Democrats just like they did in Kentucky.

You are absolutely right. If Roberts thinks that, through voter disenfranchisement and partisan gerrymandering, he can help engineer a permanent Republican majority, he may see no reason to continue to protect the ACA and he could switch sides.

As long as Nancy is Speaker, Medicare is protected but once Republicans take over again, it is doomed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:04:38am

re: #87 lawhawk

The problem is that when drafted, the ACA didn’t include a severability clause.

or an insanity clause

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:05:15am

re: #87 lawhawk

Roberts justified the existence of the ACA on specific grounds. If the individual mandate penalty no longer exists, that would give Roberts the justification needed to rule the remainder is no longer viable.

The problem is that when drafted, the ACA didn’t include a severability clause.

WHICH. NO. OTHER. LAW. EVER. NEEDED.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:06:56am

re: #93 Belafon

WHICH. NO. OTHER. LAW. EVER. NEEDED.

Here in California, every ballot initiative must include a severability clause. It goes back to when the initiative process was approved.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:07:06am

re: #93 Belafon

WHICH. NO. OTHER. LAW. EVER. NEEDED.

This is a law that will impact a lot of people in very critical ways if it is suddenly overturned, unlike a tax law, trade law or ordinance

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:07:20am

re: #87 lawhawk

Roberts justified the existence of the ACA on specific grounds. If the individual mandate penalty no longer exists, that would give Roberts the justification needed to rule the remainder is no longer viable.

The problem is that when drafted, the ACA didn’t include a severability clause.

Again, the theory that the District Court Judge used to justify striking down the law is utterly ludicrous. If Roberts did this, when he refused to do it on more solid reasons twice before, it would virtually guarantee that the Democrats will pack the court when they regain power, whereas right now that is extremely unlikely to happen. Chief Justices care about their legitimacy, and this would be an extremely illegitimate decision. In fact, I expect that the 5th Circuit will reverse the District Judge’s ruling and the Supreme Court won’t even grant cert.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:08:29am

re: #88 Joe Bacon 🌹

Which is what I expect will be the main point in the 5-4 decision to kill the whole ACA.

It doesn’t matter when Congress expresses its clear intent to sever the mandate from the rest of the law by basically repealing it.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:13:37am

Gracias, Trump!

Mexico benefits from US trade war with China.
China has moved production facilities to Mexico to reduce US tariff costs.

share.qz.com

Mexico’s bonanza underscores the difficulty in trying to win a trade war where companies can shift production or find new sources to avoid tariffs. Despite Trump’s vow to reduce it, the U.S. trade deficit for goods globally hit a record $891 billion last year as tax cuts boosted demand for imports and retaliatory tariffs weighed on American exports. Given Trump’s early attacks on Mexico for taking U.S. jobs, it’s an ironic turn to observers such as factory consultant Alan Russell.

“It’s a case of unintended consequences,” said Russell, chief executive officer of Tecma Group, an El Paso, Texas firm that helps companies open and run factories in Mexico. Interest has never been this high in his 35 years in the industry, he says. “Any company manufacturing in China has had a wake-up call.”

Much of the shift in companies sourcing from Mexico instead of China centers on low value-added items where substitution is easier, according to Jorge Guajardo, a former Mexican ambassador to China. For example, Taskmaster Components has for almost 20 years imported large wheels and tires from China, and assembled them for companies making trailers and recreational vehicles. But tariffs on many of those products pushed the Mount Pleasant, Texas-based company to go hunting for new sourcing. That list now includes Mexico, where it wants to invest in a factory. The U.S. isn’t being considered because Taskmaster hasn’t found a willing partner among the few remaining American manufacturers.

“A lot of people are moving production down there,” said Amanda Walker, the firm’s chief operating officer. The close proximity, access to ports and an educated workforce make “everything about Mexico attractive.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:14:31am

re: #98 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Gracias, Trump!

Mexico benefits from US trade war with China.
China has moved production facilities to Mexico to reduce US tariff costs.

share.qz.com

…more jobs in Mexico might lead to fewer people coming to USA to seek work

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:16:42am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…more jobs in Mexico might lead to fewer people coming to USA to seek work

Quite true, and in fact people from the States may move to Mexico for work. Unless the Wall is intended to keep Americans north of the border.

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Old Liberal  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:17:36am

re: #72 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

There are many times I have been embarrassed to say I lived in KY for almost 30 years. There, the dumb people vastly outnumber the smart people.

I had the tragedy of living there for two years. I found a scholarly paper that said no other state had so few immigrants over the last 200 years. The culture is hidebound. New ideas are rejected and people are afraid of different ideas. See the same phenomenon in rural areas of Wisconsin. The dumb is getting baked in.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:17:37am

re: #100 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Quite true, and in fact people from the States may move to Mexico for work. Unless the Wall is intended to keep Americans north of the border.

Some day, Mexico might well be thanking us for putting a border wall in place…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:18:44am

re: #101 Old Liberal

I had the tragedy of living there for two years. I found a scholarly paper that said no other state had so few immigrants over the last 200 years. The culture is hidebound. New ideas are rejected and people are afraid of different ideas. See the same phenomenon in rural areas of Wisconsin. The dumb is getting baked in.

Reminds me of how Pennsylvania is like a 5 on a dice cube. Corners and center are blue but the rest is redder than Mississippi.

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Alephnaught  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:19:22am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:19:25am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…more jobs in Mexico might lead to fewer people coming to USA to seek work

Though many Mexicans quit coming anyway when the recession wiped out millions of construction jobs; a lot of them even went back home. We have fewer undocumented immigrants living in the US now than we did a decade ago.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:21:25am

From my viewpoint in China, I am watching the Trump Administration willingly relinquish American supremacy worldwide to China, Russia and practically everyone else. The Chinese are ecstatic, because the vacuum left by the Trump States of America gives them an opportunity to move in, and they will not relinquish any advantages thus achieved easily.

Add the Brexit nonsense, and these nationalists/isolationists have effectively removed their own countries from the global stage.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:22:07am

re: #101 Old Liberal

I had the tragedy of living there for two years. I found a scholarly paper that said no other state had so few immigrants over the last 200 years.

Yes, “Moving to Kentucky for the economic advantages” is not a phrase one often encounters.

I started reading Hillbilly Elegy when it was being praised and hyped. I gave up on it after a while, but the first part really struck home. in Gary, Indiana, we had all kinds of ethnicities on our block; black, Latino, white Southern/Eastern Europeans and still a handful of WASPs, but the Appalachian whites were a separate ethnicity unto themselves with their own identity and ideas.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:22:56am

re: #55 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Especially since Smollet claimed his attackers were Trump supporters; that is enough reason right there for Trump to go after him.

Wasn’t there a claim his attackers chanted Make America Great Again and even some said they wore MAGA hats, but I think that was downplayed.

But I think you are right…Trump is pissed because of the association with him and the attack made Trump look bad, whether any of it happened or not.

A gay black man…a prefect target for Trump. If it was fake acting all the more for Trump to be upset. No one gets to fake act but him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:23:00am

re: #106 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

All empires fall. Right now China and Russia are surely gloating over how the UK and US are imploding.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:23:04am

re: #101 Old Liberal

I had the tragedy of living there for two years. I found a scholarly paper that said no other state had so few immigrants over the last 200 years. The culture is hidebound. New ideas are rejected and people are afraid of different ideas. See the same phenomenon in rural areas of Wisconsin. The dumb is getting baked in.

In defense of Kentucky, here in Frankfort we have had immigrants who came here for construction and agricultural work, opened restaurants and medical practices and bought convenience stores. A new Honduran restaurant was opened close to me and the food is delicious.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:24:04am

re: #109 Joe Bacon 🌹

All empires fall. Right now China and Russia are surely gloating over how the UK and US are imploding.

It is true. I never imagined it would happen in my lifetime, though.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:25:19am

re: #111 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It is true. I never imagined it would happen in my lifetime, though.

Neither did I when I read Gibbons Fall Of The Roman Empire in the Great Books Of The Western World as a kid. But we are living in the time of the fall of both the US and UK.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:25:57am

So, did anyone win last night’s Powerball?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:26:25am

re: #113 The Vicious Babushka

So, did anyone win last night’s Powerball?

There was one winning ticket sold in Wisconsin.

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:27:01am

re: #108 ObserverArt

Wasn’t there a claim his attackers chanted Make America Great Again and even some said they wore MAGA hats, but I think that was downplayed.

But I think you are right…Trump is pissed because of the association with him and the attack made Trump look bad, whether any of it happened or not.

A gay black man…a prefect target for Trump. If it was fake acting all the more for Trump to be upset. No one gets to fake act but him.

There was, but those details seem to have been embellished after the fact in reportage, rather than being from Smollett himself. Pretty sure he did say something about Trump supporters though.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:27:44am

re: #69 lawhawk

Liberty U apparently has a flight school, and that’s where the fuel sales are coming from.

It makes no sense to have this deal in place, but Trump’s rewarding his cronies with government contracts.

Complete bullshit. I would imagine the U.S. military is one of the biggest users of aviation fuel going. They can probably buy it cheaper than Liberty U.

But hey, Trump just doing some tithing to keep in good with his godly connections.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:28:33am

re: #110 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In defense of Kentucky, here in Frankfort we have had immigrants who came here for construction and agricultural work, opened restaurants and medical practices and bought convenience stores. A new Honduran restaurant was opened close to me and the food is delicious.

Louisville is a melting pot. It has several mosques and Hindu temples, a thriving Asian population and African communities in several parts of town. My own MD was an Indian (India Indian), who had come to KY as a young man and decided to stay.

And these folks are slowly moving into the ‘burbs and surrounding towns, like Elizabethtown.

Spanish-speaking people have been there already for decades.

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KerFuFFler  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:30:48am

re: #10 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nothing say “We support Israel” more clearly than selling nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia…

Yeah, it is clear that Saudi Arabia has no need for nuclear power plants. Is there a country on this planet more suited to solar energy? They do not need nuclear technology.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:32:20am

Well, it’s time to hit the hay here. Got a busy day tomorrow teachin’ those students ‘bout English ‘n’ stuff.

Later, people.

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Old Liberal  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:34:42am

re: #117 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Louisville is a melting pot. It has several mosques and Hindu temples, a thriving Asian population and African communities in several parts of town. My own MD was an Indian (India Indian), who had come to KY as a young man and decided to stay.

And these folks are slowly moving into the ‘burbs and surrounding towns, like Elizabethtown.

Spanish-speaking people have been there already for decades.

Sure and I can point to Madison Wisconsin but that doesn’t change the fact that Milwaukee is the most segregated city in the US and Wisconsin is full of racists who dislike new people or ideas.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:35:46am

re: #120 Old Liberal

Sure and I can point to Madison Wisconsin but that doesn’t change the fact that Milwaukee is the most segregated city in the US and Wisconsin is full of racists who dislike new people or ideas.

And I grew up in the ethnic melting pot of Gary, but southern Indiana was and still is major KKK country.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:36:47am
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:43:07am

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

Adam Schiff goes off, lists the Trump Tower meeting, sharing of polling data, call to hack Clinton, Kushner back channel, and more: “You might say that’s all OK … I think it’s unpatriotic. And yes, I think it’s corrupt and evidence of collusion.”

One thing that comforts me in these dark times is that John Mitchell went to prison for his role in Watergate. May the same fate befall William Barr.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:44:07am

re: #123 Hecuba’s daughter

One thing that comforts me in these dark times is that John Mitchell went to prison for his role in Watergate. May the same fate befall William Barr.

And Sessions!

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:46:51am

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

Makes for good theater, Mike Conaway is asking Schiff to step down.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:47:12am

re: #123 Hecuba’s daughter

One thing that comforts me in these dark times is that John Mitchell went to prison for his role in Watergate. May the same fate befall William Barr.

..and the real target of Schiff’s words, Devin Nunes.

Have I told you lately how much I hate Devin Nunes?

That asshole laid down the first heavy smoke screen to cover the whole Trump investigation. He and Paul Ryan along with McConnell, fucked this country good to protect the worst president in history.

I hope some day we all find out why.

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:48:52am

re: #125 Shropshire Slasher

Makes for good theater, Mike Conaway is asking Schiff to step down.

And we’re all asking for Trump to step down. And Pence. And McConnell.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:49:38am

re: #125 Shropshire Slasher

Makes for good theater, Mike Conaway is asking Schiff to step down.

Fuck Mike Conaway too.

Schiff has no reason to step down.

Let’s discuss Trump stepping down. You into that?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:51:38am

re: #126 ObserverArt

..and the real target of Schiff’s words, Devin Nunes.

Have I told you lately how much I hate Devin Nunes?

That asshole laid down the first heavy smoke screen to cover the whole Trump investigation. He and Paul Ryan along with McConnell, fucked this country good to protect the worst president in history.

I hope some day we all find out why.

We know why. For judges and tax cuts for billionaires.

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Alephnaught  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:55:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:57:48am

re: #130 Alephnaught

REVEALED: Full Mueller Report Is Over 300 Pages Long -

a four-page summary with four direct quotes not containing complete sentences is enough for me to form a conclusive opinion on its contents…

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 7:59:24am

Just reading the Atlantic story about the Democrats poor handling of Al Franken. It’s a sad tale considering what all has happened since they ran Al out of the Senate.

And you know, looking at the Democratic candidates, I keep thinking of Senator Gillibrand’s take on the whole thing. I don’t know how to balance it with her being a candidate for President. It makes me question her thinking and if she may be too quick to conclude.

Here is the link again if anyone is interested. It’s a good read.

The Atlantic - Democrats Need to Learn From Their Al Franken Mistake

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:01:36am

re: #130 Alephnaught

nytimes.com

The still-secret report on Russian interference in the 2016 election submitted by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, last week was more than 300 pages long, according to American officials with knowledge of it, a length that raises new questions about Attorney General William P. Barr’s four-page summary.

Mr. Barr wrote to Congress on Sunday offering what he called the “principal conclusions” of the report — including that Mr. Mueller had not found evidence that the Trump campaign took part in a conspiracy to undermine the election. But he had notably declined to publicly disclose its length.

The total of 300-plus pages suggests that Mr. Mueller went well beyond the kind of bare-bones summary required by the Justice Department regulation governing his appointment and detailed his conclusions at length. And it raises questions about what Mr. Barr might have left out of the four dense pages he sent Congress.

Democrats, who like all other lawmakers have not seen the report, have all but accused Mr. Barr of covering up damaging information it contains. They have specifically focused on an apparent difference between the views of Mr. Barr and Mr. Mueller on whether Mr. Trump obstructed justice. Democrats have demanded that the attorney general make the full report and evidence public.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:03:11am

re: #133 Shropshire Slasher

To compare to past investigations: (Same link)

Other blockbuster government reports in recent decades have been lengthy. At 445 pages, the independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr’s report on President Bill Clinton had to be trucked to Capitol Hill in September 1998.

The 9/11 commission report ran 567 pages with notes on the circumstances and fallout of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Even the Justice Department inspector general seems to have outwritten Mr. Mueller of late. Michael E. Horowitz released a scathing 500-page report last summer on the F.B.I.’s handling of an investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state that preoccupied Congress for weeks.

Mr. Horowitz’s report on Mrs. Clinton’s emails was 568 pages.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:04:55am

and the Watergate “road map” sent to Congress by the Grand Jury was only 62 pages.

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:05:47am

On this side of the pond, a student organization happily munches on its foot…

“Thinking about how @studentafton thinks when they proudly boast that the organization in 1938 gave one of Nazi Germany’s most important propaganda maker space to speak the same year as November pogrom (the crystal night). The Jew hatred and the persecution were well known at that time. Student evening 1938 knew.”

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jeffreyw  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:08:48am

re: #74 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe this is heartless — but I will certainly never help someone financially who needs medical care but who supports Trump or the Republican Party.

Of course, maybe Trump will propose “Medicare for All” but call it Trumpcare. What happens to the Democrats if the Republican Party actually does that?

Promote the hell out of a race to the top, taunt Trump about falling behind.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:15:56am

They took the Seattle shooter alive, of course.

reuters.tv

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:17:09am

re: #130 Alephnaught

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Barr must be Gary Gnu in disguise.

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Targetpractice  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:26:51am

re: #132 ObserverArt

Just reading the Atlantic story about the Democrats poor handling of Al Franken. It’s a sad tale considering what all has happened since they ran Al out of the Senate.

And you know, looking at the Democratic candidates, I keep thinking of Senator Gillibrand’s take on the whole thing. I don’t know how to balance it with her being a candidate for President. It makes me question her thinking and if she may be too quick to conclude.

Here is the link again if anyone is interested. It’s a good read.

The Atlantic - Democrats Need to Learn From Their Al Franken Mistake

I think the most honest way to deal with the Franken matter would be to acknowledge that, had it not been for Doug Jones running a tight race against a paedophile, the whole matter would have been handled in a much more reasonable fashion. The DNC bowed to political expediency, running him out of the Senate in what they felt would be a move that bolstered their support among women voters. And Gillibrand lead the charge because she wanted to run in 2020 and Franken was seen as a potential frontrunner that she had the opportunity to knock off. Given the way that the GOP defended both Moore and then Kavanaugh later the same year, the idea that they would feel in any way pressured by Franken being run out on a rail seems ridiculous in retrospect.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:28:01am

re: #110 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In defense of Kentucky, here in Frankfort we have had immigrants who came here for construction and agricultural work, opened restaurants and medical practices and bought convenience stores. A new Honduran restaurant was opened close to me and the food is delicious.

I enjoyed living in Lexington, too.

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steve_davis  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:38:53am

re: #14 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Hell, if they will believe anything he spews out of his pie hole they believe this.

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should i be at all concerned that the first bottle is a 100% cure for cancer, but they’re sending me a second bottle?

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:39:16am

re: #141 Barefoot Grin

I enjoyed living in Lexington, too.

My oldest son has been there a year and a half and still hasn’t tried all of the non-American restaurants, though he’s not quite as adventerous with food as me or my middle son.

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steve_davis  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:49:31am

re: #24 Sufficient unto the day…

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He’s aging marginally better than Ron Jeremy.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:50:24am

re: #142 steve_davis

should i be at all concerned that the first bottle is a 100% cure for cancer, but they’re sending me a second bottle?

Second bottle is in case it returns. Or you can give it to a friend who is also in need.

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 8:52:10am

so fucking fragile

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:01:16am
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:06:12am

re: #109 Joe Bacon 🌹

All empires fall. Right now China and Russia are surely gloating over how the UK and US are imploding.

re: #111 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It is true. I never imagined it would happen in my lifetime, though.

Back in the 1980’s there were many who speculated that Japan was going to be running the world as their stock market skyrocketed and their economic model appeared to be eclipsing ours. It was gloom and doom then. While we struggled, they were ascending. But in a few years, it was Japan with the struggling economic model; their market remains 45% below its height in 1989.

It is certainly possible that Trump and McConnell have delivered a death blow to our nation — certainly I have frequently made such assertions — but it’s also possible that this damage is temporary and that 2020 will lead us to a complete recovery. Hope and change!

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Sir John Barron  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:07:16am

re: #148 Hecuba’s daughter

Back in the 1980’s there were many who speculated that Japan was going to be running the world as their stock market skyrocketed and their economic model appeared to be eclipsing ours. It was gloom and doom then. While we struggled, they were ascending. But in a few years, it was Japan with the struggling economic model; their market remains 45% below its height in 1989.

It is certainly possible that Trump and McConnell have delivered a death blow to our nation — certainly I have frequently made such assertions — but it’s also possible that this damage is temporary and that 2020 will lead us to a complete recovery. Hope and change!

Yeah I remember the Japan envy in the late 80’s, early 90’s.

How’s everyone’s Infrastructure Week, Mueller Report Edition, going?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:08:14am

re: #138 GlutenFreeJesus

They took the Seattle shooter alive, of course.

reuters.tv

Oh gee it looks like I’ve missed another shooter.

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BeachDem  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:08:33am

re: #133 Shropshire Slasher

nytimes.com

the four dense pages

Were they dense in definition 1 or 2?

dense
/dens/Submit
adjective
1.
closely compacted in substance.
“dense volcanic rock”
synonyms: thick, heavy, opaque, soupy, murky, smoggy, impenetrable; More
2.
INFORMAL
(of a person) stupid.
synonyms: stupid, unintelligent, ignorant, brainless, mindless, foolish, slow, slow-witted, dull-witted, witless, doltish, blockish, dunce-like, simpleminded, empty-headed, vacuous, vapid, halfwitted, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic, obtuse, bovine, lumpish;

I’m guessing the NYT was going for #1, but looking at the huge margins and with the header taking up 1/2 of page one and page four being only 1/2 a page (and, of course, the stupid letter not really saying much of anything at all other than Barr’s pipe dream “analysis”) I’m going with definition #2.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:10:26am

re: #150 Sir John Barron

Oh gee it looks like I’ve missed another shooter.

We were too busy with master criminal Jussie Smollett and how this demon escaped justice.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:14:19am

Don’t forget the Kardashian clan.

Kylie Jenner prompted rumours of a second pregnancy on Wednesday afternoon after showing off her soft pink and blue nails on social media.

The mother-of-one debuted new false nail extensions in shades commonly associated with baby boys and girls with her 130million Instagram followers.

Kylie, whose popular Kylie Cosmetics range has helped turn her into the world’s youngest billionaire at just 21, captioned the snap: ‘Back at it again with nail bae.’

dailymail.co.uk

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BeachDem  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:17:02am

re: #152 Hecuba’s daughter

We were too busy with master criminal Jussie Smollett and how this demon escaped justice.

Google
Jussie Smollett
About 76,700,000 results (0.55 seconds)

Google
Pittsburgh synagogue shooter
About 813,000 results (0.66 seconds)

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:18:25am
‘The situation is resolved’: Police say standoff with two gunmen barricaded in New Hampshire hotel which saw a third man shot dead last night is over

dailymail.co.uk

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:28:09am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:29:22am
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:35:17am

re: #143 Belafon

My oldest son has been there a year and a half and still hasn’t tried all of the non-American restaurants, though he’s not quite as adventerous with food as me or my middle son.

Lots of good options. I was a regular at two super-cheap cajun restaurants. So good.

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:38:18am

Nothing surprises me anymore…

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:41:02am

IANAL so really am not qualified to interpret the following well-publicized sentence from the Barr letter:

“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

We obviously do not know what preceded these words in the Mueller report but what does the term “establish” imply in legalese? Is it equivalent to “prove beyond a reasonable doubt”? Could the beginning of the sentence have read something like, “Because we were unable to conduct thorough interviews of Donald, Ivanka, and Jared”

Just idle speculation — since I am not one of the Fox anchors who have all read the original report in great detail.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:43:50am

re: #160 Hecuba’s daughter

IANAL so really am not qualified to interpret the following well-publicized sentence from the Barr letter:

“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

We obviously do not know what preceded these words in the Mueller report but what does the term “establish” imply in legalese? Is it equivalent to “prove beyond a reasonable doubt”? Could the beginning of the sentence have read something like, “Because we were unable to conduct thorough interviews of Donald, Ivanka, and Jared”

Just idle speculation — since I am not one of the Fox anchors who have all read the original report in great detail.

It could, we just don’t know, and we won’t know until the Mueller Report is released.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:44:06am

re: #159 Teukka

Nothing surprises me anymore…

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:44:15am

re: #159 Teukka

Nothing surprises me anymore…

Boy, how wrong can she be? It’s the heterosexual male writing this comment that wants to create man-machine hybrids.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:44:39am

re: #159 Teukka

Nothing surprises me anymore…

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Trans people are cyborgs? Who knew? Does that mean they are being hired to police the streets of Detroit? Even better, they should be recruited by the military to protect this nation.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:45:59am

re: #159 Teukka

Nothing surprises me anymore…

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I get to be a terminator???

FUCK TO THE YEAH!!!

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:46:46am
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Targetpractice  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:47:03am

re: #162 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Okay, the universe is just fucking with me now. I read this comment just after watching ST: First Contact for the first time in years.

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Targetpractice  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:51:39am

re: #166 Citizen K

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Wingnut: “THAT’S A TOTAL LIE! YOU NEED TO CHANGE THAT!!!”

Media: “He’s right, we’re sorry and will print a correct post-haste.”

Liberal: “This article has clear issues with sourcing, editing, and the author’s own editorializing. There needs to be a correction.”

Media: “The article is accurate and we stand by it! If you can’t stand journalism looking into things that make you uncomfortable, then feel free to go elsewhere!”

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:52:32am

re: #167 Targetpractice

Okay, the universe is just fucking with me now. I read this comment just after watching ST: First Contact for the first time in years.

I do like that it’s being rerun. It’s one of my favorites.

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:53:26am

re: #168 Targetpractice

So the fault is that liberals try to reasonably explain what’s wrong rather than bullying the media.

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:53:53am

re: #166 Citizen K

What is gone? I can’t see the picture.

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:55:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:57:10am
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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:58:40am

re: #171 Belafon

The Economist had a piece on Ben Shapiro, with the headline “Inside the mind of Ben Shapiro, the alt-right sage without the rage.”

Ben had a shitfit about being called alt-right, so the Economist promptly replaced the headline with “Inside the mind of Ben Shapiro, a radical conservative.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 9:59:16am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

JUST IN: US Supreme Court has refused to hear a second appeal of bump stock ban, ending the Supreme Court’s involvement, and leaving the ban in effect

Well — at least one decision SCOTUS has gotten right but probably only because Trump supported it. I wonder how they would have ruled if Trump opposed the ban.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:00:27am

re: #159 Teukka

Laura Ingraham guest says trans people will “destroy” gender norms to create “new species”—“Human and part machine”

I’m pretty sure that Major Motoko Kusanagi wasn’t trans.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:00:50am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s good news. I still say should have been administratively ruled illegal by ATF at first view.

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:01:05am

re: #175 Hecuba’s daughter

Well — at least one decision SCOTUS has gotten right but probably only because Trump supported it. I wonder how they would have ruled if Trump opposed the ban.

“The world may never know.”

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rhuarc  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:02:24am

re: #160 Hecuba’s daughter

IANAL so really am not qualified to interpret the following well-publicized sentence from the Barr letter:

“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

We obviously do not know what preceded these words in the Mueller report but what does the term “establish” imply in legalese? Is it equivalent to “prove beyond a reasonable doubt”? Could the beginning of the sentence have read something like, “Because we were unable to conduct thorough interviews of Donald, Ivanka, and Jared”

Just idle speculation — since I am not one of the Fox anchors who have all read the original report in great detail.

The one thing I read is that the quote specifically says “Russian government.” Does Mueller consider surrogates like the Russian oligarchs connected to Putin the “Russian government”? My belief is that no, there was no direct, specific evidence that the Trump campaign worked directly with the Russian government like the troll farm or anything like that. Did they work with oligarchs, former members of their intelligence services, and/or other surrogates like Wikipedia to coordinate attacks and/or messaging around the election? I think the answer there is a resounding yes. So technically correct, but not the whole picture and not as nuanced.

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:03:15am

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

I’m pretty sure that Major Motoko Kusanagi wasn’t trans.

I mean…Ghost in the Shell definitely dealt with transhumanism, but it definitely feels like Ingraham is trying to conflate it directly with transgender. I’m half surprised she didn’t outright say something dumb like it leading to people wanting to be Transformers.

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TedStriker  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:05:15am

re: #167 Targetpractice

Okay, the universe is just fucking with me now. I read this comment just after watching ST: First Contact for the first time in years.

re: #169 Belafon

I do like that it’s being rerun. It’s one of my favorites.

Star Trek First Contact - Captain Ahab

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:06:45am

re: #180 Citizen K

I mean…Ghost in the Shell definitely dealt with transhumanism, but it definitely feels like Ingraham is trying to conflate it directly with transgender. I’m half surprised she didn’t outright say something dumb like it leading to people wanting to be Transformers.

That actually wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. Either that, or she’s too dumb to understand the difference.

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:07:22am

re: #182 Dr Lizardo

That actually wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. Either that, or she’s too dumb to understand the difference.

Six of one, half-dozen of the other.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:08:05am

re: #179 rhuarc

The one thing I read is that the quote specifically says “Russian government.” Does Mueller consider surrogates like the Russian oligarchs connected to Putin the “Russian government”? My belief is that no, there was no direct, specific evidence that the Trump campaign worked directly with the Russian government like the troll farm or anything like that. Did they work with oligarchs, former members of their intelligence services, and/or other surrogates like Wikipedia to coordinate attacks and/or messaging around the election? I think the answer there is a resounding yes. So technically correct, but not the whole picture and not as nuanced.

Thank you. So collusion with oligarchs but not the official government. So indirectly with the Russian government. Again, we need to see the entire report.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:12:42am

re: #159 Teukka

Nothing surprises me anymore…

as long as they are all Alicia Vikander

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Sir John Barron  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:13:30am

re: #174 Citizen K

The Economist had a piece on Ben Shapiro, with the headline “Inside the mind of Ben Shapiro, the alt-right sage without the rage.”

Ben had a shitfit about being called alt-right, so the Economist promptly replaced the headline with “Inside the mind of Ben Shapiro, a radical conservative.”

But he’s “without the rage”.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:15:26am

re: #161 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It could, we just don’t know, and we won’t know until the Mueller Report is released.

I wonder why I’m seeing all these publications billing themselves as The Mueller Report on Amazon dot com to be released in the next few weeks?

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:19:01am

re: #181 TedStriker

That was one of the finest scenes in any of the Star Trek films and it showed Picard to be a true leader; he could utilize introspection, see the errors of his ways - and admit that he’d been wrong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:19:57am

re: #187 Sir John Barron

I wonder why I’m seeing all these publications billing themselves as The Mueller Report on Amazon dot com to be released in the next few weeks?

Amazon is taking pre-orders.

OTOH The Mueller Report: The Leaked Investigation into President Donald Trump and His Inner Circle of Con Men, Circus Clowns, and Children He Named After Himself by Jason O. Gilbert has been on sale for a while and is pretty darned funny. (I got a free Kindle copy of it back in September.)

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:20:31am

re: #179 rhuarc

BTW — typo alert: Wikileaks not Wikipedia

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:29:38am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

Amazon is taking pre-orders.

OTOH The Mueller Report: The Leaked Investigation into President Donald Trump and His Inner Circle of Con Men, Circus Clowns, and Children He Named After Himself by Jason O. Gilbert has been on sale for a while and is pretty darned funny. (I got a free Kindle copy of it back in September.)

**Snork**

Read it right away, while books are still legal in America!

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:33:11am

The eight stages of genocide.

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:34:02am
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:36:48am

Face palm.
Remember how Trump was gonna save us all this money by going cheap on AF1 replacement planes? No more mid air refueling? (Stupid idea)
Now it seems the exact airframes chosen to buy on the cheap will not fit in the existing hangar/maintenance structures. Those will have to be rebuilt.

Choosing the 747-8i has induced some unique costs. For instance, the custom-built, bunker-like hexagon-shaped hangar that houses the VC-25As at Andrews Air Force Base won’t work for the new planes. The aircraft is slightly too large, so a whole new facility needs to be built… Taking the lower figure for the aircraft, their conversion, and entry into service, these planes should surpass the B-2A Spirit stealth bomber as the most expensive aircraft ever built. In fact, according to Defense One, their combined cost, including infrastructure projects and some other ancillary costs associated with the program, exceeds what the Navy says a Nimitz class nuclear-powered aircraft carrier historically costs—about $4.5B.

The planes in question
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Sir John Barron  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:39:37am

re: #192 DodgerFan1988

The eight stages of genocide.

Fox Newsicans

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:42:24am

re: #194 Unshaken Defiance

Face palm.
Remember how Trump was gonna save us all this money by going cheap on AF1 replacement planes? No more mid air refueling? (Stupid idea)
Now it seems the exact airframes chosen to buy on the cheap will not fit in the existing hangar/maintenance structures. Those will have to be rebuilt.

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Wow, so Trump claims he’s going to be saving us so much money and ends up making things even more drastically expensive as ever? Who woulda thought?!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:44:27am

re: #159 Teukka

Nothing surprises me anymore…

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So she thinks Trans people are…Terminators?

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:44:41am

Schiff really got under Trump’s skin, apparently.

The GOP is trying to mount a wave of fake outrage to ratfuck him.

Time to stand up and #resist folks. We cannot allow the honest, principled reps to be bullied into silence like this. That path leads to cowed silence as McConnell meekly allows Trump to declare himself “President-for-life.”

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:45:19am

re: #93 Belafon

WHICH. NO. OTHER. LAW. EVER. NEEDED.

Absolutely not true.

Many laws are written with severability clause so that if one portion (or section) is struck down, it doesn’t render the remainder unconstitutional.

States often require severability clauses in writing state laws that have multiple provisions for precisely this reason.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:45:31am

re: #197 Eclectic Cyborg

So she thinks Trans people are…Terminators?

She’s just “asking questions”.

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:48:31am

re: #199 lawhawk

Absolutely not true.

Many laws are written with severability clause so that if one portion (or section) is struck down, it doesn’t render the remainder unconstitutional.

States often require severability clauses in writing state laws that have multiple provisions for precisely this reason.

I stand corrected. It seems weird to have to require that.

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:50:12am

re: #197 Eclectic Cyborg

So she thinks Trans people are…Terminators?

Apparently. Or some sort of contagion?

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:50:36am

re: #194 Unshaken Defiance

The significant cost is in building out the new hangars, not the planes themselves.

The plane airframes cost about $400 million each; the balance is in retrofitting the planes with the avionics needed to make it a flying White House.

It’s actually the cheapest part of the entire acquisition program. And you’re right - eliminating the inflight refueling makes no sense, as if you need to get somewhere safe and/or need to stay airborne, you would no longer have that capability.

Everything about what Trump’s done re: AF1 is questionable.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:55:51am

re: #77 Joe Bacon 🌹

I know all about it.

Brainwashed nephew, two disabled kids on SSI, votes straight Republican because he hates Muslims and the Government. Endlessly posts his hatred of “Ho-Bama” and his “TS” wife on his Facebook page. Refuses to sign up for what he calls “N-Word” care. Refused to do Medicaid redeterminations so his sons lost their medical care. He sets up a GoFundMe for their medical bills.

Niece has two disabled daughters, won’t use the ACA because it’s ungodly. Says the Lord will take care of them.

Other relatives just as ignorant…

Wow. So sorry you have to deal with that in your family. Mine is similar. I got to the point where I basically threw up my hands and said, “Well, it looks like this is going to be a case of evolution in action. The human race is about to get a tiny fraction of an IQ point smarter.”

Wasn’t invited back after that.

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:57:35am
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 28, 2019 • 10:58:08am

re: #116 ObserverArt

Complete bullshit. I would imagine the U.S. military is one of the biggest users of aviation fuel going. They can probably buy it cheaper than Liberty U.

But hey, Trump just doing some tithing to keep in good with his godly connections.

this is what money laundering and / or payoffs looks like

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:02:09am

re: #196 Citizen K

Wow, so Trump claims he’s going to be saving us so much money and ends up making things even more drastically expensive as ever? Who woulda thought?!

nobody knew this in advance?

they didnt check
or care

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:03:24am

re: #196 Citizen K

Wow, so Trump claims he’s going to be saving us so much money and ends up making things even more drastically expensive as ever? Who woulda thought?!

I’ll take “Trump’s Life Pattern” for $200.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:03:44am

re: #110 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In defense of Kentucky, here in Frankfort we have had immigrants who came here for construction and agricultural work, opened restaurants and medical practices and bought convenience stores. A new Honduran restaurant was opened close to me and the food is delicious.

Honduran? Wow. I miss the one in my neighborhood - they were the first place I ever had chocolate lava cake made with single-source chocolate from a Honduran plantation.

They also had a twist on fusion cuisine that was unique; they had pupusas, tacos & hamburgers - that all tasted subtly different from anything else I’ve had, even here in diverse L.A.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:04:03am

re: #203 lawhawk

The significant cost is in building out the new hangars, not the planes themselves.

The plane airframes cost about $400 million each; the balance is in retrofitting the planes with the avionics needed to make it a flying White House.

It’s actually the cheapest part of the entire acquisition program. And you’re right - eliminating the inflight refueling makes no sense, as if you need to get somewhere safe and/or need to stay airborne, you would no longer have that capability.

Everything about what Trump’s done re: AF1 is questionable.

if i were the next president, i’d be afraid to fly in it

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:04:03am

re: #205 jaunte

Hitler himself, in Mein Kampf, laid out exactly what his definition of “socialism” was.

In a word, ethno-nationalism. There was nothing even remotely Marxist about it - arguably, he was attempting to redefine the term.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:04:11am

re: #196 Citizen K

Wow, so Trump claims he’s going to be saving us so much money and ends up making things even more drastically expensive as ever?

That’s pretty much how con men operate.

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:05:05am

re: #211 Dr Lizardo

Hitler himself, in Mein Kampf, laid out exactly what his definition of “socialism” was.

In a word, ethno-nationalism. There was nothing even remotely Marxist about it - arguably, he was attempting to redefine the term.

Was Hitler a Socialist? - A Response to Steven Crowder and Others

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:05:46am
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:08:20am

re: #77 Joe Bacon 🌹

I know all about it.

Brainwashed nephew, two disabled kids on SSI, votes straight Republican because he hates Muslims and the Government. Endlessly posts his hatred of “Ho-Bama” and his “TS” wife on his Facebook page. Refuses to sign up for what he calls “N-Word” care. Refused to do Medicaid redeterminations so his sons lost their medical care. He sets up a GoFundMe for their medical bills.

Niece has two disabled daughters, won’t use the ACA because it’s ungodly. Says the Lord will take care of them.

Other relatives just as ignorant…

mostly all the ACA does is allow everyone to buy health insurance from insurance companies and describe what those policies must cover

i’d wonder what it is that’s ‘ungodly’. insurance or affordable insurance

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Dave In Austin  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:08:55am
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:10:21am

re: #205 jaunte

So, today we’ve learned that @benshapiro is alt-right despite being a constant target of the alt-right, and the National Socialist party wasn’t socialist, despite the word being in their name.

a lot of Dems are constant targets of other dems - what does that make them?

even R’s can be constant targets of other r’s (ok, not as often….)

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:10:54am

The rich fantasy lives of conservatives.

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allegro  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:11:04am

re: #202 Teukka

Apparently. Or some sort of contagion?

Wait until they hear the word “chimera.”

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:11:10am

re: #215 Man, DangerMan

mostly all the ACA does is allow everyone to buy health insurance from insurance companies and describe what those policies must cover

i’d wonder what it is that’s ‘ungodly’. insurance or affordable insurance

Probably, “IT’S GODLESS BOLSHEVISM!!” or something to that effect.

Some people - about 25 years ago, when Portland, OR was expanding its public transit network, I had someone tell me that public transportation was Communism. FFS.

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:11:57am
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:12:27am

re: #212 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s pretty much how con men operate.

easy when it aint your money

im counting on that by the time they are ready to fly, he’s already been voted out

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:13:16am

re: #214 jaunte

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Trump has upended every single fucking dept. under the Executive Branch to do the exact opposite of their purpose, down to the one. The Dept. of Education is hollowing out public schools for charter schools with worse results and denying education opportunities to vast amounts of children. The Environmental Protection Agency only protects companies who want to destroy the Environment. The Dept. of Justice is protecting and projecting blatant injustices daily. I can go on.

It’s just…fuck.

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wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:13:29am

re: #219 allegro

Wait until they hear the word “chimera.”

Welcome back, non-hatchling.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:13:40am

re: #221 Teukka

Whatbout FReeSpeech?!?!?!?

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:14:41am

re: #218 jaunte

The rich fantasy lives of conservatives.

“Hey everybody, it’s Wilt Chamberlan!”

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:16:48am

re: #226 Belafon

The prose stylings of Prager U.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:16:55am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

a four-page summary with four direct quotes not containing complete sentences is enough for me to form a conclusive opinion on its contents…

if we give him the benefit of the doubt that he did not write most of that ‘letter’ 2-3 weeks prior, then he managed he read it all, comprehended it all, understood it all, had no questions at all and wrote it in, what, 2 days?

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allegro  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:18:28am

re: #224 wrenchwench

Welcome back, non-hatchling.

Hiya! Outa donuts and it’s too early for Mohitos so I come empty handed.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:19:34am

re: #120 Old Liberal

Sure and I can point to Madison Wisconsin but that doesn’t change the fact that Milwaukee is the most segregated city in the US and Wisconsin is full of racists who dislike new people or ideas.

I grew up in Northwest WI, and can attest to this. When I saw the movie “Winter’s Bone” years ago, even though it’s supposedly set in rural Missouri, I instantly recognized the people, houses and milieu. Rusted pickup trucks being driven by angry, ignorant men who beat the shit out of their wives and children, had hair-trigger tempers, lots of guns, and were chronically underemployed and committing petty crimes.

I swear, it didn’t used to be like this. When I was a kid, the rural areas were where you had to work hard, sure, (hell, I did, starting at age 8, stacking haybales on gramma’s farm) but there wasn’t this seething anger and resentment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:20:57am

re: #229 allegro

Hiya! Outa donuts and it’s too early for Mohitos so I come empty handed.

New Rule for these desperate times: Never too early for mojitos.

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wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:21:39am

re: #229 allegro

Hiya! Outa donuts and it’s too early for Mohitos so I come empty handed.

Since your shells were cleaned up so long ago, you can get away with that. Or stay. Your choice.

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plansbandc  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:21:58am

re: #229 allegro

It’s 12:00 somewhere. In fact, it’s twenty past here. Bring on the booze!!!

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allegro  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:22:20am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

New Rule for these desperate times: Never too early for mojitos.

I was hoping for an enabler! Muchos gracias!

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:22:21am

*hides Mohito under desk*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:23:48am

re: #234 allegro

I was hoping for an enabler! Muchos gracias!

I take my mission in life seriously

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allegro  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:25:09am

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

I take my mission in life seriously

You do excellent work. Better than you know. Having your tortellini salad for lunch!

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:26:32am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

New Rule for these desperate times: Never too early for mojitos.

YouTube

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plansbandc  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:29:23am

Oh dear.

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:31:41am

re: #225 Sir John Barron

Whatbout FReeSpeech?!?!?!?

Nazism is a sensitive subject to us Finns - we paid thru our noses for having the Third Reich as an ally.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:35:01am

Looks like people are starting to have Schiff’s back.

All these attacks are just going to raise his profile, amplify his voice and make him stronger. If it works for the racist shitgoblins, we can make it work for the Good Guys.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:37:35am

re: #223 Citizen K

Trump has upended every single fucking dept. under the Executive Branch to do the exact opposite of their purpose, down to the one. The Dept. of Education is hollowing out public schools for charter schools with worse results and denying education opportunities to vast amounts of children. The Environmental Protection Agency only protects companies who want to destroy the Environment. The Dept. of Justice is protecting and projecting blatant injustices daily. I can go on.

It’s just…fuck.

Other than FP, what department really operates differently from under Reagan? And for additional perspective: Krugman in 2007

His domestic policy doesn’t differ from that of any Republican since Reagan, though he is far less polite.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:37:44am

from enfuegobuddha on disqus:

If the policy is the DOJ will never indict a sitting President, that Congress must impeach, then all evidence needs to be turned over to the House whose responsibility it is to judge whether charges are warranted. Why is Barr usurping the power of Congress?

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:39:35am
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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:42:19am
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sagehen  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:45:15am

re: #242 Hecuba’s daughter

Other than FP, what department really operates differently from under Reagan? And for additional perspective: Krugman in 2007

His domestic policy doesn’t differ from that of any Republican since Reagan, though he is far less polite.

Immigration.
Gun control.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:45:21am

re: #230 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I’ve never seen Winter’s Bone, but I’ll definitely have to check it out; from what I can gather reading the IMDB, it’s a neo-noir/neo-realist film with a bit of Deliverance thrown in.

Sounds good. I like a good slow-burn film.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:45:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:46:43am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:46:47am

re: #247 Dr Lizardo

I’ve never seen Winter’s Bone, but I’ll definitely have to check it out; from what I can gather reading the IMDB, it’s a neo-noir/neo-realist film with a bit of Deliverance thrown in.

Sounds good. I like a good slow-burn film.

Some very early J-Law

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:50:04am

Hm.

This is a nice effort, but I’ve argued myself blue in the face that Don The Con is actually broke as a joke. He’s an arrogant dummy who bet huge on real estate before the ‘08 crash, had to mortgage his soul to the Russians for a thin stream of operating capital to pay his debts, and has a lifetime of being rewarded for telling big lies and blustering.

When psychotic liars get called on their bullshit in a way that sticks, it’s usually shotgun-in-the-mouth time.

Wonder what Trump’s reaction will be? Will he kill us all to preserve his illusion of wealth and intelligence?

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:52:16am

re: #251 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Hm.

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This is a nice effort, but I’ve argued myself blue in the face that Don The Con is actually broke as a joke. He’s an arrogant dummy who bet huge on real estate before the ‘08 crash, had to mortgage his soul to the Russians for a thin stream of operating capital to pay his debts, and has a lifetime of being rewarded for telling big lies and blustering.

When psychotic liars get called on their bullshit in a way that sticks, it’s usually shotgun-in-the-mouth time.

Wonder what Trump’s reaction will be? Will he kill us all to preserve his illusion of wealth and intelligence?

The latter could be a real risk/possibility with Donnie Two Scoops personality type.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:52:22am

re: #247 Dr Lizardo

I’ve never seen Winter’s Bone, but I’ll definitely have to check it out; from what I can gather reading the IMDB, it’s a neo-noir/neo-realist film with a bit of Deliverance thrown in.

Sounds good. I like a good slow-burn film.

It was the film that catapulted Jennifer Lawrence to stardom. It was pitch-perfect. Showed the rotting houses with yards full of expensive toys covered with weeds. Sad-eyed women with whisky-and-smokes voices resignedly doing That Which Needs Doing.

And underneath it all, the desperation. The sheer desperation and despair of people for whom there is no way out.

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allegro  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:53:58am

This is another reason I want Joe to go away until time to come out and campaign for the Democratic candidate (not him) next year. This really bugs me.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:54:25am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:55:28am

re: #250 Sir John Barron

Some very early J-Law

If you like slow-burn films, I’d recommend Once Upon A Time In Anatolia, a 2011 flick from Nuri Bilge Ceylan. It’s basically a police procedural, but it’s masterfully done and it won the 2011 Jury Grand Prize at Cannes.

I’d also recommend Winter Sleep from the same writer/director; it won the 2014 Palme d’Or at Cannes. The man is a Turkish national treasure as far as I’m concerned.

imdb.com

imdb.com

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Dave In Austin  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:56:49am
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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:58:39am

re: #254 allegro

This is another reason I want Joe to go away until time to come out and campaign for the Democratic candidate (not him) next year. This really bugs me.

He won’t last long. That pretty much wipes out his African-American female vote. And you aren’t going to win anything without that.

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makeitstop  Mar 28, 2019 • 11:59:34am

I just got back from the accountant with this year’s tax filing. Under Trump’s stupid tax plan, we’re getting back less than half of what we got back last year.

Thanks, asshole.

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:02:13pm
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:02:39pm

re: #253 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

It was the film that catapulted Jennifer Lawrence to stardom. It was pitch-perfect. Showed the rotting houses with yards full of expensive toys covered with weeds. Sad-eyed women with whisky-and-smokes voices resignedly doing That Which Needs Doing.

And underneath it all, the desperation. The sheer desperation and despair of people for whom there is no way out.

Another film I’ve seen that’s in that vein is the 2011 Australian film Snowtown, based on the infamous “bodies in barrels murders”. Daniel Henshall, who plays the serial killer John Bunting, turned in a performance that was absolutely chilling.

It is a deeply disturbing film - but it’s also brilliant.

You don’t enjoy it…..you experience it.

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:03:39pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:04:27pm

re: #259 makeitstop

I just got back from the accountant with this year’s tax filing. Under Trump’s stupid tax plan, we’re getting back less than half of what we got back last year.

Thanks, asshole.

Was part of this due to the reduction in withholding foisted on us by the Trump Treasury Department last year? So the total taxes are similar but payment was reallocated. It was a trick to make people think they were getting a significant reduction in taxes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:04:29pm

re: #257 Dave In Austin

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another industry lobbyist

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:06:21pm
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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:07:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:14:34pm
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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:16:54pm

re: #265 jaunte

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:18:24pm

re: #221 Teukka

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The essence of Nazism is genocide, so Neo-Nazis are terrorists and should not be tolerated in any free society.

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:18:32pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:21:34pm

re: #215 Man, DangerMan

mostly all the ACA does is allow everyone to buy health insurance from insurance companies and describe what those policies must cover

i’d wonder what it is that’s ‘ungodly’. insurance or affordable insurance

It’s ungodly because a colored man signed the bill.

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:23:31pm

This kinda shit irritates me.

The president being a ranty racist fuck on Twitter is, in and of itself, a story. Just because it’s commonplace doesn’t mean it’s normal or should be normal. The problem isn’t that ‘The president is tweeting’, the problem is that he’s using it as a cudgel for every fucking xenophobic arch-conservative hobby horse and Fox & Friends ranting he has on his little mind at any particular point. Saying you should ignore that is saying you should ignore the president being a racist fuck. The president, in his capacity as president, taking to open communications to be a racist fuck is precisely consequential. The problem is treating it like you would an Obama tweet that, while eloquent and cool, isn’t as consequential because it’s not promising vast upending change to policy or disseminating violent eliminationism.

It’s like people demanding that you ignore antisemitic or racist trolls. Ignoring them won’t make them go away at a certain point, it just makes it so you don’t see them until there’s a Tiki Torch and swastika swinging in your face. You don’t ignore that, nor do you treat it like ‘business as usual’. You shine a light on it and then underscore how abnormal it is or should be. You don’t pretend it’s mundane and then brush it under the rug, you don’t go out of your way to normalize or enable it. You show it exactly for what it is.

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:27:07pm
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Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:27:52pm

re: #218 jaunte

There are very few actual conservatives left.

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:29:19pm

re: #274 Romantic Heretic

I feel fairly conservative, because i want to preserve humans and the earth’s habitability.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:29:26pm

re: #274 Romantic Heretic

There are very few actual conservatives left.

the GOP is a fascist party, not a conservative party.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:30:00pm

re: #274 Romantic Heretic

There are very few actual conservatives left.

They’ve been replaced by KKKonservatives!

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:30:07pm

People who don’t give a shit about humans or the earth are radicals.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:37:04pm

Well the wife and daughter just left on a road trip to Denver. Daughter is transferring within her company from the Akron OH office out to Denver CO (she is a civil engineer). Wife is going along on the trip and staying a couple weeks to help her get settled in, and then flying back. Furniture and things will be leaving out tomorrow with a moving company. It should be a good adventure for both of them.

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sagehen  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:37:38pm

re: #263 Hecuba’s daughter

Was part of this due to the reduction in withholding foisted on us by the Trump Treasury Department last year? So the total taxes are similar but payment was reallocated. It was a trick to make people think they were getting a significant reduction in taxes.

It’s because he’s a New Yorker.

State income tax and local property tax used to be deductible on the federal return, now they’re not. (state and local taxes = SALT)

This component of the bill was designed deliberately and specifically to fuck blue state wealthy people, the red states don’t have a lot of high earners and their taxes are super-low anyway because they don’t do most of the things that state taxes pay for (good public schools, public transportation, libraries, parks, etc etc).

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plansbandc  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:38:38pm

re: #279 Eventual Carrion

I spent a good chunk of my life in Denver. It’s a great place to live.

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sagehen  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:42:37pm

re: #270 Teukka

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Stephen Colbert’s take:

“If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck, what’s with all the goose-stepping?”

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Old Liberal  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:43:24pm

re: #230 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I grew up in Northwest WI, and can attest to this. When I saw the movie “Winter’s Bone” years ago, even though it’s supposedly set in rural Missouri, I instantly recognized the people, houses and milieu. Rusted pickup trucks being driven by angry, ignorant men who beat the shit out of their wives and children, had hair-trigger tempers, lots of guns, and were chronically underemployed and committing petty crimes.

I swear, it didn’t used to be like this. When I was a kid, the rural areas were where you had to work hard, sure, (hell, I did, starting at age 8, stacking haybales on gramma’s farm) but there wasn’t this seething anger and resentment.

Funny that’s where I grew up. Polk County now one of the worst meth-addicted counties in the US. Yes Wisconsin is a shithole state now IMO and a bleak future. 60 years ago it was a progressive leader.

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:43:43pm

re: #282 sagehen

Stephen Colbert’s take:

“If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck, what’s with all the goose-stepping?”

Comes with the territory of being a duck (semi-///)

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:45:40pm

re: #259 makeitstop

I just got back from the accountant with this year’s tax filing. Under Trump’s stupid tax plan, we’re getting back less than half of what we got back last year.

Thanks, asshole.

When your accountant did your taxes, did he show you your marginal and effective rates?

The refund is just one component to the entire tax bill.

I know I ended up paying more in tax, precisely because of the SALT deduction limitation to $10k, the mortgage interest deduction limitation, and some one time costs (cap gains).

Going forward, I know I’m going to see smaller refunds on par with what I saw this year. I don’t feel richer, and most people don’t feel richer because a few bucks reduction on taxes withheld during the year doesn’t seem like much - but a bigger refund check has more punch. Seeing what you got pre-TCJA and after can be a gut punch.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:46:11pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:46:38pm

re: #262 Teukka

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That sounds like a Calvin & Hobbes cartoon - except for not being funny. Calvin as a cartoon is humorous. A real-life version of that working in the US government is not.

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:47:02pm

Shitmonger Trump:

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:47:17pm
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MsJ  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:49:14pm

re: #150 Sir John Barron

Oh gee it looks like I’ve missed another shooter.

I’m always thankful when another shooter misses me. It’s only a matter of time.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:50:13pm

re: #280 sagehen

It’s because he’s a New Yorker.

State income tax and local property tax used to be deductible on the federal return, now they’re not. (state and local taxes = SALT)

This component of the bill was designed deliberately and specifically to fuck blue state wealthy people, the red states don’t have a lot of high earners and their taxes are super-low anyway because they don’t do most of the things that state taxes pay for (good public schools, public transportation, libraries, parks, etc etc).

Which is why most of the red states get so much money from the federal government. If it wasn’t for federal money they wouldn’t have enough money to wash the windows in their public buildings.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:50:32pm

re: #280 sagehen

It’s because he’s a New Yorker.

State income tax and local property tax used to be deductible on the federal return, now they’re not. (state and local taxes = SALT)

This component of the bill was designed deliberately and specifically to fuck blue state wealthy people, the red states don’t have a lot of high earners and their taxes are super-low anyway because they don’t do most of the things that state taxes pay for (good public schools, public transportation, libraries, parks, etc etc).

My bad. I didn’t recall that he’s a New Yorker. I haven’t done my taxes yet but being from Illinois, I will also be affected. Aren’t SALT deductions still available but only to $10,000 (which impacts me)? The new code also eliminated personal exemptions.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:55:05pm

re: #292 Hecuba’s daughter

My bad. I didn’t recall that he’s a New Yorker. I haven’t done my taxes yet but being from Illinois, I will also be affected. Aren’t SALT deductions still available but only to $10,000 (which impacts me)? The new code also eliminated personal exemptions.

The new code is going to cost me since the reduced exemptions for a number of expenses and deductions is going to cut down on how much my adjusted income is - and thus I pay more in taxes.

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BlueSpotinAL  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:56:32pm

re: #292 Hecuba’s daughter

My bad. I didn’t recall that he’s a New Yorker. I haven’t done my taxes yet but being from Illinois, I will also be affected. Aren’t SALT deductions still available but only to $10,000 (which impacts me)? The new code also eliminated personal exemptions.

Since I used standard deductions (no mortgage interest to speak of), doubling that helped my taxes quite a bit. Same refund, the monthly take-home pay went up $200.

Of course, the idiots in the Trump administration did not account for psychology. Rather than wait and have people get YUGE refunds, they wanted people to see more money right away. It appears much smaller though. A significant part of the monthly increase was eaten up in many cases by increased healthcare costs etc.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:57:25pm

re: #288 lawhawk

Shitmonger Trump:

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“Deductibility”???

Good grief.

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 12:58:04pm

Don’t look now, but McConnell is doing his damnedest to ensure that Trump gets to enshrine an eternal conservatopia via the courts.

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:00:09pm
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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:01:28pm

re: #296 Citizen K

That’s why next year is about the Senate as well as the presidency. We can mitigate the damage if we get control.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:02:10pm

Time to call it a day. Have fun, Lizards.

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EPR-radar  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:02:23pm

re: #296 Citizen K

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Don’t look now, but McConnell is doing his damnedest to ensure that Trump gets to enshrine an eternal conservatopia via the courts.

The fix for this is simple. Nullify all acts of the Trump administration as fraudulent if/when the US become responsibly governed again. This includes impeachment and removal from office of all Trump judges, at all levels of the federal judiciary.

Naturally this will never happen because Republicans protect their own and the media mostly holsters for Republicans.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:03:30pm

re: #296 Citizen K

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Don’t look now, but McConnell is doing his damnedest to ensure that Trump gets to enshrine an eternal conservatopia via the courts.

When the Democrats get elected again, can they use that 2 hour limit to their advantage?

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:03:54pm

re: #301 Eclectic Cyborg

When the Democrats get elected again, can they use that to their advantage?

Yep.

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Citizen K  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:05:08pm

re: #301 Eclectic Cyborg

When the Democrats get elected again, can they use that to their advantage?

It’ll all depend on what vacancies are actually there. Remember that a lot of the vacancies that are getting filled now are the ones that McConnell’s own Senate held up completely through most of his terms. So more than likely, there’s going to be nowhere near as many vacancies to fill by the time Dems get control again somehow.

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KerFuFFler  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:07:45pm

re: #159 Teukka

Laura Ingraham guest says trans people will “destroy” gender norms to create “new species”—“Human and part machine”

Ahem, where is her concern about people with hearing aids, pacemakers, prosthetic limbs and those “balloons” for guys with severe ED?

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MsJ  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:08:10pm

re: #250 Sir John Barron

Some very early J-Law

Not so early. Post Hunger Games, I think.

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:15:54pm

re: #305 MsJ

Not so early. Post Hunger Games, I think.

Winter’s Bone came out two years before the Hunger Games. IIRC, it was the role that got her noticed by the Hunger Games producers.

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danarchy  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:18:14pm

re: #292 Hecuba’s daughter

My bad. I didn’t recall that he’s a New Yorker. I haven’t done my taxes yet but being from Illinois, I will also be affected. Aren’t SALT deductions still available but only to $10,000 (which impacts me)? The new code also eliminated personal exemptions.

Yeah the salt deductions weren’t too bad, even here in “Taxachusetts” the $10000 limit mostly covered me, but eliminating the personal exemption and mileage deductions sucked.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:23:23pm

re: #254 allegro

This is another reason I want Joe to go away until time to come out and campaign for the Democratic candidate (not him) next year. This really bugs me.

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Might it be said that Joe B. has gotten more than a little full of himself?

Some of his actions lately say that to me. This bit with Stacy Abrams practically screams he thought she would jump on without actually asking because he is Joe B.

Come on Joe, you are now at the stage where you are going to ruin your good cred.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:29:39pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:31:22pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

Might it be said that Joe B. has gotten more than a little full of himself?

Some of his actions lately say that to me. This bit with Stacy Abrams practically screams he thought she would jump on without actually asking because he is Joe B.

Come on Joe, you are now at the stage where you are going to ruin your good cred.

Biden has wanted the Presidency since 1988. It’s very difficult to see a dream die, especially when there are so many pundits who claim that you are savior of the Democratic Party.

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EPR-radar  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:35:36pm

re: #310 Hecuba’s daughter

Biden has wanted the Presidency since 1988. It’s very difficult to see a dream die, especially when there are so many pundits who claim that you are savior of the Democratic Party.

If Biden wants the presidency, and wants to keep his relatively moderate positions on the issues, then the answer is simple — he needs to open up an big can of whup-ass vs. Trump and the Republicans. Like Harry Truman with his “Republicans complain about me giving them hell. All I do is tell the truth about them, and they think it’s hell.”

Unfortunately it seems Biden doesn’t realize this, which should consign his campaign to irrelevance in short order.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:38:06pm

re: #310 Hecuba’s daughter

Biden has wanted the Presidency since 1988. It’s very difficult to see a dream die, especially when there are so many pundits who claim that you are savior of the Democratic Party.

Would these be pundits that would like Joe to run so he can be torn apart about his past gaffs and they can open a path for Trump’s reelection?

These days I am more than just a lot weary of political pundits. Too many seem to have their own candidates and agendas and thus tailor their punditry to those candidates.

Let’s just say 2016 taught me to be suspect.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:48:45pm

re: #312 ObserverArt

Would these be pundits that would like Joe to run so he can be torn apart about his past gaffs and they can open a path for Trump’s reelection?

These days I am more than just a lot weary of political pundits. Too many seem to have their own candidates and agendas and thus tailor their punditry to those candidates.

Let’s just say 2016 taught me to be suspect.

I like Biden but he’s a gaffe-machine whose time is long past. We need younger people who can serve two terms. We probably shouldn’t be looking for the best President but the best candidate; occasionally the two are the same but it’s more critical to get a nominee who can win rather than one who is best prepared to rule. Except for Tulsi and Bernie and Andrew Yang, all the announced Democratic candidates seem reasonable.

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TedStriker  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:49:15pm

re: #312 ObserverArt

Would these be pundits that would like Joe to run so he can be torn apart about his past gaffs and they can open a path for Trump’s reelection?

These days I am more than just a lot weary of political pundits. Too many seem to have their own candidates and agendas and thus tailor their punditry to those candidates.

Let’s just say 2016 taught me to be suspect.

I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the motivation for a lot of those pundits; after serving two (admirable) terms as Obama’s VP, Biden seems to be falling back to type and is letting the prospect of a revived shot at the top post overrule his common sense and the fact that he’s as long a shot as Bernie.

The pundits are happy enough to build Joe up, only to tear him down once more in search of bigger ratings.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:56:18pm
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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2019 • 1:58:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:07:32pm

moron

going to thrill other morons

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:08:09pm

re: #316 lawhawk

“Any man ever”

Wow, the delusions just get grander and grander.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:16:31pm

Now available in the official Donald Trump Store:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:20:42pm

re: #319 Eclectic Cyborg

Now available in the official Donald Trump Store:

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it just keeps getting more and more pathetic

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:23:25pm

LOL..no fucking shame..none

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:23:41pm

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

it just keeps getting more and more pathetic

That’s because it is getting more and more Trump.

He is in full form now. Con your base while you still have it.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:31:40pm

I threaded a thing.

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plansbandc  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:35:37pm

re: #316 lawhawk

I fucking hate that lying bastard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:35:45pm

re: #323 goddamnedfrank

well done, you

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:48:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:49:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:53:48pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:58:00pm

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

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About six years ago, when my son was 9, we went to Grand Rapids for a family reunion. There was a sign that said “Furniture capital of America”; my son piped up “stool capital of the world!” [Proud father of a young “Waiting for Guffman” fan]

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freetoken  Mar 28, 2019 • 2:59:09pm

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

Western Michigan is one of the centers of white ethnonationalism in this country.

And yes, it’s tied in with the high religiosity of the region.

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:00:17pm

re: #329 Barefoot Grin

Stool Boom!
From the parlor to the pool room
We’re the center of a stool boom…
everyone knows our name.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:01:19pm
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plansbandc  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:03:28pm

re: #331 jaunte

Religion has done way more bad than good. It’s such a failing that so many of us mindlessly follow terrible people.

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:06:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:06:24pm
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Old Liberal  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:08:07pm

re: #330 freetoken

Western Michigan is one of the centers of white ethnonationalism in this country.

And yes, it’s tied in with the high religiosity of the region.

Dutch Reformed. Calvinist. Predetermination. Wealth equals goodness.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:08:43pm
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freetoken  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:09:02pm

re: #336 Old Liberal

Dutch Reformed. Calvinist. Predetermination. Wealth equals goodness.

Religious publishers… Hillsdale College … etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:09:52pm

these fucking people

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:11:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:13:49pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:14:12pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

these fucking people

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Trump and DeVos are throwing each other under the bus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:16:05pm

re: #342 goddamnedfrank

Trump and DeVos are throwing each other under the bus.

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neither of them have got the first clue how any of this works

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wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:17:39pm

re: #323 goddamnedfrank

I threaded a thing.

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Each municipality and county needs to have ‘Dial a Social Worker’ covered by professionals.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:19:02pm

re: #333 plansbandc

Religion has done way more bad than good. It’s such a failing that so many of us mindlessly follow terrible people.

One of my former colleagues is an atheist who is a strong advocate of those views. Personally, I don’t know that religion, or lack thereof, is the source of most current ills in the world. Look at the mass murderers of the mid to late 20th century: Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler. None was religious; most promoted atheism. Many white supremacists are not particularly religious themselves, though they may be hostile to those who are Jewish or Muslim. Trump is not a religious zealot — though the GOP is. Evil is spread among people regardless of religion.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:22:35pm

re: #330 freetoken

Western Michigan is one of the centers of white ethnonationalism in this country.

And yes, it’s tied in with the high religiosity of the region.

Michigan is very Germanic and that might have a little to do with some of the thinking too.

I know the Ohio Germanic makeup, and I see some of that very thinking in the relatives on my mother’s side of the family which is the German side that came to Ohio in the mid 1800s.

I imagine the central to west side and north of Michigan is very similar in attitude to some of the Gym Jordan territory in Ohio. Huge population of Germans with farming in their backgrounds.

I have relatives that probably are huge Trump backers. Many of them never came to visit where I lived growing up because we lived around those people.

And the little Ohio town many lived was very unwelcoming to people of color. Which is odd, because my uncle Adolf Joe was married to a Mexican woman. Oh, and of course, the majority are staunch Catholics.

I know the roots.

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:24:00pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:25:58pm
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plansbandc  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:26:50pm

re: #345 Hecuba’s daughter

When I was studying history, the thing that jumped out at me is how many non-believers controlled believers and ended up wreaking havoc on the world.

These days, I am appalled by the loudest religious voices advocating for greed, violence, and hate.

I believe religion can be a force for good, but not nearly often enough. And the good is offset by the horrible.

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MsJ  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:30:16pm

re: #348 goddamnedfrank

Could it or be a fight to the death? I mean, let’s duel! Come on! Do it!

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Teukka  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:30:28pm

re: #323 goddamnedfrank

I threaded a thing.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:32:02pm

re: #350 MsJ

Could it or be a fight to the death? I mean, let’s duel! Come on! Do it!

Can Betsy buy Donny to shut him up. I think she might have the bucks.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:32:07pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:33:21pm

re: #352 ObserverArt

Can Betsy buy Donny to shut him up. I think she might have the bucks.

I think buying Trump’s silence is not possible. He enjoys and lives to run his mouth.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:35:48pm

re: #354 Feline Fearless Leader

I think buying Trump’s silence is not possible. He enjoys and lives to run his mouth.

Yeah, but then Trump likes money a whole hell of a lot too.

Vladimir might have a feel for this.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:39:35pm

re: #355 ObserverArt

Vladimir might have a feel for this.

no rushen kolushun!!!!!

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freetoken  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:39:43pm

re: #346 ObserverArt

Grand Rapids is Christian publishing central (even more so than Tennessee).

There is a great similarity here to western Iowa, which is Steve King’s district.

Both were settled by hard line Calvinists and other very religious people from Northern Europe. To this day these areas are among the most conservative of Protestant regions of this country.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:39:46pm

Looks like Rammstein has ruffled some feathers with a teaser video for their new album. Of course if one watches the full video for their new song Deutschland, the few second clip is taken out of context but mission successful, controversy stirred up.

Rammstein - Deutschland (Official Video)

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Stanley Sea  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:40:39pm

re: #348 goddamnedfrank

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Gaslighting extraordinaire.

Edit

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freetoken  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:41:11pm

Anyone else notice an increase in advertising on Youtube the past month or so?

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wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:43:44pm

This isn’t politics or religion or sex but I do intend to mention money.

I bought a CD for a dollar at the Humane Society thrift store, because it had two white guys pictured on it, and the list of songs was all in Spanish, with several Mexican classics. So I went to that video channel to see who they were (after enjoying the first listen) and it turns out they got together the year I was born (1958) while they had been singing across the street from each other (so one story goes) and they’re from Tucson or San Francisco and had a ‘mild hit’ with a song I don’t remember the name of, and got on Hugh Hefner’s TV show in 1964 and sang one of my favorites from ‘Bobby Dylan’. They have a tiny discussion about Bobby, and talk about what his impending fame might do to him.

One thing Bobby’s fame did was wipe Bud and Travis out of the history books. This video alone is worth a buck.

Bud & Travis TV Appearance Pt 5 Tomorrow Is A Long Time

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freetoken  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:49:40pm

re: #361 wrenchwench

Once again I’m reminded that for every celebrity who has a bit of talent and makes it rich, there are thousands of decent to great musicians who fall into obscurity.

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TedStriker  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:50:40pm

re: #348 goddamnedfrank

re: #350 MsJ

Could it or be a fight to the death? I mean, let’s duel! Come on! Do it!

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wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:53:34pm

re: #362 freetoken

Once again I’m reminded that for every celebrity who has a bit of talent and makes it rich, there are thousands of decent to great musicians who fall into obscurity.

Absolutely. How did Bobby beat out Bud and Travis? It wasn’t his voice…he must have had connections in Duluth.

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plansbandc  Mar 28, 2019 • 3:54:03pm

re: #362 freetoken

Those who make it always need a pinch of luck. So much talent in this world. I know a guy who is a ridiculously talented musician. Great great guitar player and excellent bass player. Really pretty voice too, but he doesn’t think so.

Guy is just not capable of dealing with others. Pot helps, but the the guy is just mentally unstable.

Very hard to deal with that one, but honestly just a killer musician.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:03:26pm

re: #363 TedStriker

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Of course, the budget is DOA anyway.

It’s really hard to decide which one was responsible for eliminating funding for the Special Olympics. My initial reaction was that Donald would never care about details like this and would leave it up to Betsy. OTOH, maybe Donald doesn’t see any need for expenditures on people who are disabled in any way and so directed Betsy to cut out those programs. They are both evil so either is capable of being the driving force on this. A fight to the death in which both are eliminated (i.e. neither wins) would not be ideal either, since it would leave Pence in power.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:04:48pm

re: #347 jaunte

What about Trump’s cuts to autism treatment, latest attempt to gut the ACA, and threats to stop giving aid to Puerto Rico? I’m pretty sure that public sentiment is not in his favor on those as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:06:46pm

re: #366 Hecuba’s daughter

the moron-in-chief has no idea of what is in the budget, other than cops, Wall and military.
Nor does he care…until there is serous backlash about something.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:09:39pm

heh

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plansbandc  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:10:57pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

Agreed. He knows absolutely nothing about any sort of inner workings. It’s all about how much grift and how he looks to his base.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:13:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:14:36pm
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BeachDem  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:16:31pm

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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And when you combine his two tweets, you get—

We have a National Emergency at our Southern Border…(so I’m) On my way to Grand Rapids, Michigan (and left unsaid, then off the MaraGaudy for another long weekend.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:19:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:20:14pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:20:33pm

I am back from Canada {{sads}}

There was NO WAITING at the border!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:21:43pm

re: #376 The Vicious Babushka

I am back from Canada {{sads}}

There was NO WAITING at the border!

Well, yeah. Canada doesn’t have any of Those People that need to be kept out.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:21:54pm

You can’t always get what you want

Sympathy for The Devil

IN YOUR FACE my dumbass base…I am the snake.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:26:16pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

these fucking people

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They were testing to see how far they could push things.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:26:47pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:27:08pm

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Canadian-born artist is building a wall of cheese along the U.S.-Mexico border]

A little south of the nearest to me part of the border is a growing community of Mennonites who produce a lot of cheese. American tourists bring back bricks of it, but not quite that big. The artist could promote tourism!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:30:59pm
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Amory Blaine  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:31:44pm

My first solo song at an open mic night many years ago I got so fucking hammered trying to drink the anxiety away I sat down on a stool started playing my song and halfway through I passed out and dropped my guitar. Wheeee.

Edit: I only went because everyone kept pushing and pushing me to go.

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wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:34:32pm

re: #383 Amory Blaine

My first solo song at an open mic night many years ago I got so fucking hammered trying to drink the anxiety away I sat down on a stool started playing my song and halfway through I passed out and dropped my guitar. Wheeee.

And just look where you are today!

*checks behind laptop*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:36:07pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL
this eejit…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:36:30pm

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

I predict a very high level of craziness tonight from trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:37:34pm

re: #386 Eclectic Cyborg

I predict a very high level of craziness tonight from trump.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:37:48pm

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL
this eejit…

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Jimmy Dore is saying the exact same thing floating over Rachel losing viewers…

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wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:39:11pm

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL
this eejit…

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Barr took the Mueller report and made a shovel out of it. They’ve been digging ever since. Nancy has given them another weekend in which to dig.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:40:01pm

re: #389 wrenchwench

Barr took the Mueller report and made a shovel out of it. They’ve been digging ever since. Nancy has given them another weekend in which to dig.

It’s almost deep enough to be a Trump-sized grave. Just another 3/4 mile to go.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:40:24pm

re: #378 ObserverArt

You can’t always get what you want

Sympathy for The Devil

IN YOUR FACE my dumbass base…I am the snake.

So Trump is actually mocking all of us, especially his base. He knows exactly what he is and is telling us that he’s gotten away with it and will continue to inflict damage on this country because he can. He revealed who he was during the campaign and 62 million Americans approved. He is thumbing his nose at us.

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wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:41:16pm

re: #390 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s almost deep enough to be a Trump-sized grave. Just another 3/4 mile to go.

They should send him down there to replace a divot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:41:39pm

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:47:12pm

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

Much presidential. So dignify.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:48:30pm

re: #394 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Much presidential. So dignify.

Very bigly.

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teleskiguy  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:48:40pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:50:06pm

re: #396 teleskiguy

False Flag!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:50:08pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:50:09pm

re: #297 Teukka

I see the comedians of the UK are doing the same yeoman’s work as comedians in the US are — cutting through all the posturing and political BS to get to the truth of the matter.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:51:52pm

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

I predict that, once the full report becomes more widely available, Trump’s overconfidence will be his downfall. Pride before the fall, and all that.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:51:53pm

Agree with this. Today’s Preet podcast with [not comedian/actor/banjo expert] Steve Martin on our prison system is an important conversation, especially comments on the explosive growth of the private prison system and how it is perhaps fueling the incarceration of immigrants simply as the easiest path to profits.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:54:07pm
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William Lewis  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:54:28pm

A Guinness and a tot of Old Crow Bourbon Vs. My head cold. Doubt it’ll win but I’ll probably feel a little better this evening before sleep comes early.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:55:19pm

re: #403 William Lewis

A Guinness and a tot of Old Crow Bourbon Vs. My head cold. Doubt it’ll win but I’ll probably feel a little better this evening before sleep comes early.

Fire in the hole!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:55:50pm
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BeachDem  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:57:34pm

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I can’t even watch the live tweeters unless Daniel Dale is doing it (he’s off tonight—he certainly deserves it.) Some of the other are minimally okay, but the straight-up stenographers are terrible (and ubiquitous). DD’s live fact-checking and lie-calling is the only way to go.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:57:34pm
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nines09  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:58:37pm

I’m out of fucks.
Right now I’m just disgusted, disappointed, and walking small.
Somehow in the course of a conversation, I had a “friend” lay a gem on me a few weeks/months back because I try not to….
“Oh, hospitals forgive bills, ya know.”
I said…. what?
“Oh yeah. They forgive bills. I know a family they forgave.”
I said, damn. Thanks for the great news. Son of a bitch…. I have 2 phone numbers right here of parents who lost children to cancer and have liens on their houses. Back from when my boy had leukemia, we met them. They lost their boys. I want you to phone them up and tell them that. Make them happy. Here.
I’m not kidding. I came over with my phone. CALL. I want you to CALL THEM. HERE IS THE PHONE PRESS CALL. Here. Here. HERE.
He then said then he wasn’t sure but he thinks, or heard or someone…
Yeah. I heard some shit too. From YOU.
STFU STFD.
Breathe.
I wrote a page on my family and what we went through. Here
I may yet drop someone.
Out of fucks.
(Note to self. Carry mechanics gloves and roll of quarters.)

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teleskiguy  Mar 28, 2019 • 4:59:43pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:02:20pm

re: #390 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s almost deep enough to be a Trump-sized grave. Just another 3/4 mile to go.

Nah, we need The Charm of Forlorn Encystment:

“I have decided to apply the Charm of Forlorn Encystment, which constricts the subject in a pore some forty-five miles below the surface of the earth.”

—Iouconou the Laughing Magician

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:03:25pm

re: #409 teleskiguy

Trump projecting as usual.

Time for class. See you all in a few.

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teleskiguy  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:05:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:09:23pm

there’s video!

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ipsos  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:11:07pm

re: #408 nines09

Here’s the thing: there are places where you can get bills forgiven. I’m on “charity care” from the university hospital system that serves my area. Whatever insurance doesn’t cover, they write off - and that’s based on a decent middle-class income that still meets their qualifying standards.

BUT: this is in a blue area with NO for-profit health care leeches. This system is all nonprofit. So is its competitor. NY state funds it handsomely with my tax dollars.

And oh yeah… because it’s NY, I pay 20 bucks a month for my Medicaid plan.

As much as I’d love to move away from the brutal winters, the delta in healthcare expenses moving almost anywhere would kill me.

That is fucking unfair. It shouldn’t depend where you live. If we can do this in NY, it should be doable in Georgia and Texas and Florida, too.

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teleskiguy  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:13:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:16:07pm
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William Lewis  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:23:32pm

BTW, I forget who mentioned they were reading it but I picked up The Plantegenets from the library. Excellent little history! Thanks for mentioning it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:23:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:26:02pm
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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:27:41pm

re: #417 William Lewis

BTW, I forget who mentioned they were reading it but I picked up The Plantegenets from the library. Excellent little history! Thanks for mentioning it.

Happy, I think. He’s away for a while.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:29:05pm

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

All the wind he knows is broken wind.

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nines09  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:29:10pm

re: #414 ipsos

Here’s the other thing. It was many moon ago, but Hershey Medical in Hershey had Four Diamonds Fund who years ago would take a family of a child who was under treatment for cancer and tell them to not worry. Anything not covered by their insurance would be taken care of. I’m not sure if that still is so. Now hold that up against my hospital, (to be named at a later date). The page will tell you how we were treated.
WITH insurance. A good plan. Read my page.
There are extenuating circumstances is some areas, but bottom line? They can call that marker in at any time. They backed off when I confronted them. But they got paid. You bet they got paid. I fucking paid them. The ONLY instance of debt forgivness I ever ran across in this neck of reality was when the family had nothing. No house. No policies. No money. Zip.
Outside of that, zero.
“Can we count on you to work the stands this Miracle Telethon weekend?”
Yes you can. Sign me up the day all of that money goes to the families and not the hospital.
Still waiting.
I have to run.
later.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:29:26pm

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is very obvious that DT does not know about any type of power system. Solar and wind use batteries for energy storage. So you can use them at night or on very cloudy/rainy days.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:30:21pm

re: #423 PhillyPretzel

It is very obvious that DT does not know about any type of power system. Solar and wind use batteries for energy storage. So you can use them at night or on very cloudy/rainy days.

To be fair, the battery technology to be able to handle this on a power-grid scale is fairly recent. Considering that the tangerine wankmaggot lives 30 years in the past - optimistically - it’s not surprising that he has no idea what modern tech is capable of.

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:30:32pm

re: #423 PhillyPretzel

It is very obvious that DT does not know about any type of power system. Solar and wind use batteries for energy storage. So you can use them at night or on very cloudy/rainy days.

We still hand crank cars, you know.

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William Lewis  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:31:05pm

re: #422 nines09

Sign me up the day all of that money goes to the families and not the hospital.
Still waiting.

A-fucking-men.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:31:06pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:31:16pm

re: #425 Belafon

We still hand crank cars, you know.

Now wondering how many other people know the technique to avoid breaking one’s wrist in the event of a backfire…

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William Lewis  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:32:30pm

re: #428 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Now wondering how many other people know the technique to avoid breaking one’s wrist in the event of a backfire…

Never had to hand crank a car, so no.

Hand prop’ed an airplane though. Still quite a few out there that need it :)

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:32:31pm

JFC

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:33:23pm

Lake Baikal is deeper than Superior but Superior eats more freighters.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:33:34pm

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump knows all about wind alright.

He’s demonstrating it tonight in Grand Rapids.

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BlueSpotinAL  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:34:01pm

re: #428 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Now wondering how many other people know the technique to avoid breaking one’s wrist in the event of a backfire…

Get somebody else to crank?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:34:14pm

re: #429 William Lewis

Never had to hand crank a car, so no.

Hand prop’ed an airplane though. Still quite a few out there that need it :)

Basically, if you grab it tight and give it a yank, you’re a dumbass. You cup it over the top so that if the engine backfires, it slaps your fingers and flies out of your hand.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:34:32pm

re: #431 The Vicious Babushka

Lake Baikal is deeper than Superior but Superior eats more freighters.

The SS Edmund Fitzgerald was unavailable for comment.

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BeachDem  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:36:30pm

re: #423 PhillyPretzel

It is very obvious that DT does not know about any type of power system. Solar and wind use batteries for energy storage. So you can use them at night or on very cloudy/rainy days.

Hey, now—the man knows nuclear—he said so in this convoluted diatribe:

Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.

//

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:36:37pm

re: #423 PhillyPretzel

It is very obvious that DT does not know about any type of power system. Solar and wind use batteries for energy storage. So you can use them at night or on very cloudy/rainy days.

I doubt he knows how electricity is made.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:36:39pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:40:00pm

re: #430 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

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No actually Donny Lake Erie is fairly shallow, especially the whole western basin.

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teleskiguy  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:42:24pm

Crater Lake in Oregon is the deepest lake in the U.S., followed by Lake Tahoe in California/Nevada.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:43:16pm
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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:45:27pm

re: #441 Patricia Kayden

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Just remember: He didn’t want to know. He was hoping he’d get a VP who would do everything and make him look good.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:45:31pm

re: #418 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’ll do well with White women to the extent that he got the majority of their vote in 2016. The rest of us women not so much.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:45:49pm

re: #440 teleskiguy

Crater Lake in Oregon is the deepest lake in the U.S., followed by Lake Tahoe in California/Nevada.

Lake Superior is the LARGEST lake in the U.S., but deepest? Not even all that close.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:47:06pm

re: #431 The Vicious Babushka

Lake Baikal is deeper than Superior but Superior eats more freighters.

I read a book many years ago on the history of Great Lakes ship wrecks.

The most concentrated area for them over the years happened on Lake Erie near the mouth of the Detroit River.

Lots of rocks and sand bars and the Lake can get rocking and rolling because it isn’t deep. So, sometimes the rocks get exposed and the ships cut into them.

The ones on Superior are bad because it is deep and it too can have high waves similar to an ocean, but they aren’t the sloshing back and forth that can happen on shallower Lake Erie. It is vicious in wind.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:47:31pm

Does he really think that deep lakes are better than shallower ones??

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:48:48pm

re: #446 Eclectic Cyborg

Does he really think that deep lakes are better than shallower ones??

It means they are wetter.

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:51:26pm

So, the DOJ is arguing that the ACA is unconstitutional. Well, that’s a problem for the DOJ, who is going after a guy who defrauded Medicare for $1B, who is arguing that since the DOJ has declared it unconstitutional, the provisions he’s being charged with defrauding are unconstitutional: dailykos.com.

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teleskiguy  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:54:14pm

21% of all of Earth’s fresh surface water is in the Great Lakes.

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teleskiguy  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:55:30pm

Seriously considering a road trip to Lake Tahoe for my birthday.

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SteelPH  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:56:15pm

re: #449 teleskiguy

21% of all of Earth’s fresh surface water is in the Great Lakes.

Therefore, it must be destroyed!

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William Lewis  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:58:13pm

re: #443 Patricia Kayden

He’ll do well with White women to the extent that he got the majority of their vote in 2016. The rest of us women not so much.

3 of the 4 white women I personally know who voted for him now regret that vote and will not repeat it. None of them are fundies however, so…

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William Lewis  Mar 28, 2019 • 5:59:38pm

re: #449 teleskiguy

21% of all of Earth’s fresh surface water is in the Great Lakes.

I consider it the duty of the Midwest to protect that water at all costs from all who would piss it away.

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teleskiguy  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:00:13pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:01:16pm

re: #454 teleskiguy

April Fool’s is funny if it’s harmless. Some of the elaborate so-called “pranks” these assholes pull is beyond the pale.

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teleskiguy  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:03:04pm

re: #454 teleskiguy

I really miss those gloves I’m wearing in the pic. Best spring gloves I’ve ever had. Lost or Stolen in 2015.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:04:06pm

re: #453 William Lewis

I consider it the duty of the Midwest AND CANADA to protect that water at all costs from all who would piss it away.

ftfy

Canada shares a coastline with Superior, Huron, Erie and Ontario.

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William Lewis  Mar 28, 2019 • 6:10:52pm

re: #457 The Vicious Babushka

ftfy

Canada shares a coastline with Superior, Huron, Erie and Ontario.

The Canadians on the lakes are midwesterners. Both sides of the border were first Native, then French, then English. Now we’re all caretakers of that water.

Water Protectors.


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