The Bob Cesca Podcast: Don’t Do This

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Don’t Do This — NSFW; Kimberley Johnson from the Start Me Up podcast is filling in for Buzz Burbank today; The Equal Rights Amendment hearing in Congress today; Adam Schiff issues a criminal referral on Erik Prince; Jacob Wohl tried and failed to frame Pete Buttigieg; Larry King’s health scare; Bob’s prank call to Larry King at Duke Zeibert’s; Mueller isn’t Superman; Brad Parscale reveals where Russia might attack next; Marco Rubio confirms Russia infiltrated Florida; With music by Gabe Fleck and Jesse Terry; and much more.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:53:23pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:55:23pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Infrastructure Weeks never disappoint.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:59:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:00:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:02:41pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:03:06pm

So, quote-mining has changed from a pastime of young earth creationist cranks to an official duty of the US Attorney General.

Conservatism is a loathsome disease that must be thoroughly contained if the US is to remain governable.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:06:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:07:21pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:08:09pm

Preview of tomorrow’s Barr testimony:

DNC: “Why did you lie to us repeatedly?”

Barr: “No comment.”

GOP: “Just how vile and corrupt is the DNC for attempting a coup against our Dear Leader and failing?”

Barr: “Oh, totally vile and corrupt. And Bob Mueller agreed with me on that!”

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:09:10pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:11:03pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

I got one the other day alleging that a hacker had found my stash of sexy self pics.

Easy delete.

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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:11:20pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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“We’d totally like for Bob to testify, but we can’t fit it into our schedule.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:11:44pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:11:51pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:12:37pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

It’s like Watergate: The Sequel.

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EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:13:04pm

re: #14 The Vicious Babushka

Trump cultists talking about Trump critics being in a cult has to be peak 21st century something.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:14:04pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:15:08pm

re: #14 The Vicious Babushka

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Poor Mike just hadn’t been the same since Maxine Waters powerbombed him into the pavement.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:17:19pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:18:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:21:21pm

Stop whatever you are doing right now and read this thread!

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:22:31pm
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ipsos  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:25:02pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stop whatever you are doing right now and read this thread!

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Thanks, BWS! I needed a pick-me-up after someone (won’t say who but it rhymes with Shmissis Shmipsos) backed her car into the corner of the house earlier tonight. Ugh. No injuries, no major damage, but a few hundred bucks in repair costs that i don’t have. And a good solid blowup of a marital fight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:26:34pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:27:45pm

While the Venezuelan and US governments are in turmoil, here’s some new turmoil from Bitcoin-land.

It’s kinda complicated, but tl;dr version is a major cryptocurrency exchange, Bitfinex, and an associated company, Tether, are being investigated by the NY attorney general’s office for fraud. Tether has been touted since its creation as a dollar-equivalent cryptocurrency backed 1-to-1 by real dollar deposits in banks. But even people within Bitcoin-land have doubted whether that’s really true, since Bitfinex and Tether never seem to able to provide third-party audits of their finances.

To add to this drama, the DoJ has charged two individuals with bank fraud, and two of the bank accounts they were using are apparently connected to Bitfinex and Tether. The two were running a shadow bank, according to the DoJ, and processing payments for cryptocurrency exchanges.

The NYAG complaint alleges that Bitfinex has lost $850M of its clients’ funds. Bitfinex says it just has temporarily lost access to those funds, and meanwhile is reportedly considering launching a new token sale to (coincidentally) raise money for … something. The whole situation looks like a house of cards ready to collapse.

Surprisingly, while Bitcoin prices dipped a little on the news of the NYAG investigation last week, the idea that Tether and Bitfinex being scams (which was largely suspected anyway) has not crashed the markets.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:27:45pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:29:00pm

From the previous thread:

re: #251 freetoken

Higher education has always been elitist.

Universities were founded by religious leaders to supply an educated upper class to function in theocracies.

Then these schools changed into more secular minded goals of providing functionaries for the elite who ruled.

In both cases the choice of who would get such elevated positions in society was based on both connections and merit.

While higher educations has become more accessible over the centuries, the essential nature of elitism has not really gone away.

This is a hard thing to accept in an age when equality is thought of as an important goal. Universities may have changed to be flag bearers of equality in regards to social class, recent acceptance scandal aside, but there remains as essential the idea that academic achievement is a winnowing process.

In other words, a college degree is not a participation trophy.

Or should it be?

We might argue that turning colleges into sports minor-league machines have made degrees into participation trophies, but I still think those are a minority of degrees. Many athletes are also acceptable students.

Elitism may sound bad, but it is part of, and maybe essential, to a society.

And that has always been one of the great lies of conservatism (and the elite): A person will rise based on merit.

Conservatives have spent all my life undermining public spending on education (whether college or technical schools) for the purpose of maintaining an elite.

There is no merit in an “elite.” The single-minded purpose of the elite is to conserve their power. Would the Koch Brothers be where they are if they didn’t start a few billion dollars ahead of everyone else and had to make it solely on their own merit?

And some liberal views on getting around this built-in structural disadvantage aren’t much better, such as accusing the military of preying on the poor to fill billets.

It doesn’t matter that I scored near the top of the SAT and was the salutatorian of my high school class. What matters is I was a poverty-stricken war orphan in a state where conservatives had already ripped out the rug from any sort of higher education.

The military wasn’t my first choice, it was my only choice. For that, huge numbers of liberals will claim enlisted personnel are too stupid to “do better for themselves.” Instead of aviation repair, I suppose I could have gone into retail salesclerk.

Noting the recent bribery scandal of wealthy people to ensure their mediocre children can go to college while I literally lived homeless for nine years makes me want to invest in guillotine and pitchfork companies (if I had anything to invest).

I am all for confiscatory taxes on unearned wealth, and strong taxes on earned wealth (really, where do you spend your third billion dollars). Hoarding money should be viewed no differently than hoarding cats.

A society which intentionally prevents people from obtaining education so an elite can maintain its power will sink into a dark ages of fear and superstition (which definitely works to the benefit of the same elites). Conservation of power is the point of conservatism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:30:29pm

gaaaaaahhhhhh

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:32:55pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

You’re way behind; I’ve been collecting the whole set for several months now.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:34:26pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaahhhhhh

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What is going on here? This is the second story about a rapist who gets no real time for his crime? Is there something that we aren’t seeing about the cases? Or should these judges all be expelled from the courts?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:34:58pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Damn, I still have yet to receive that one.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:35:40pm

re: #15 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It’s like Watergate: The Sequel.

It’s like Watergate: The Enstupiding.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:41:20pm

re: #27 Anymouse 🌹

Princeton (my alma mater) was strictly for WASP men of means for a long, long time. Each time a new group was admitted — Catholics, Jews, blacks, the working classes — the Old Guard protested, saying the institution would be ruined. In the late 1960s, Princeton began admitting women, and the Old Guard went bonkers, and while I was there in the late 70s, there was a very active group, the Conservative Alumni of Princeton (CAP), still going on about how coeducation was the downfall of Princeton. One of CAP’s most vocal reps was a young alum whose name escapes me now, but he’d fit right in with modern day cons like Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro.

Since I graduated, Princeton has had a female president and a Jewish president, and somehow it has survived and even thrived. Amazing, huh?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:43:17pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaahhhhhh

When police found the girl she was malnourished, had ringworm and suffered from back problems because she had been repeatedly held IN A DOG CAGE.

Can’t waste human potential in prison—guy could become a Border Patrol kennelkeeper, make GS-9 with Locality Pay.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:44:39pm

re: #33 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Once they let Einstein teach there, standards sort of went to hell.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:46:32pm

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹

It’s like Watergate: The Enstupiding.

The common theme in each scandal is the attitude of the parties involved that they are untouchable and justified in their actions. Nixon and his cronies never stopped to consider whether their actions were legal, ethical or constitutional, because I suppose they figured no one would ever find out what they had done. Ditto Trump and his cronies. Nixon stonewalled and tried to suppress an investigation. Ditto Trump and his cronies. Eventually, Nixon’s party turned on him, and he resigned in disgrace.

I’m not confident that today’s GOP will tell Donnie Smallhands to leave office, or that Donnie would agree even if they did.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:46:32pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:53:15pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

Once they let Einstein teach there, standards sort of went to hell.

Fact check: Einstein was never part of the faculty at the university. He was a scholar at the Institute for Advanced Studies, which is affiliated with the university, and would occasionally give public lectures on campus.
en.wikipedia.org

Einstein’s home was not far from my dorm. The people who live there now have grown accustomed to total strangers knocking on the door and asking to visit Einstein’s home. It’s owned by the IAS.

Albert Einstein House,112 Mercer Street in Princeton, Mercer County, New Jersey

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:54:52pm

re: #14 The Vicious Babushka

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retired cynic  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:56:00pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Oh, I’ve been getting those.

As if.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:57:13pm

re: #39 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Says the guy who has gotten everything wrong about everything.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:02:19pm

re: #30 Hecuba’s daughter

What is going on here? This is the second story about a rapist who gets no real time for his crime? Is there something that we aren’t seeing about the cases? Or should these judges all be expelled from the courts?

It’s white before your very eyes.

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:03:54pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:05:20pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

I got that one a year ago.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:09:12pm

Has this even been reported over on State TV?

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:10:42pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:11:17pm

re: #45 Dave In Austin

Has this even been reported over on State TV?

Well, when it was originally breaking, Tucker “Man Of The Furrowed Brow” Carlson was tackling a very important topic: Sports Illustrated having a model in a burkini.

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:11:47pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:18:26pm

Let the dragging of a whataboutist CNN contributor commence:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:22:50pm

re: #20 gocart mozart

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I’m not allowed to report that anti-Semite’s garbage. I’m asking everyone to PLEASE report it to Twitter!

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:23:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:24:27pm

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹

Let the dragging of a whataboutist CNN contributor commence:

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Oh fuck off McConnell paid gun.

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:24:39pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:25:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:26:43pm

re: #53 gocart mozart

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This makes me so angry.

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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:27:17pm

So, in the last 5 days:

- Rod Rosenstein gives a fiery speech in which he defended his handling of the Mueller investigation, accused Obama of not doing enough about Russia, and tried to avoid the blame for shit that happened on his watch.

- WaPo then published a report the next day that Rosenstein had to save his job last year by assuring Trump over the phone that he was “on his team” and he could “land the plane” by ensuring Mueller “treated him fairly.”

- Then, just days later, Rosenstein hands in his resignation letter that makes his resignation official as of May 11th.

- Less than 24 hours later and just over 12 hours before Barr appears before Congress, a letter from Mueller dated just after Barr’s letter to Congress (that Rosenstein signed off on) shows he had serious issues with the way Barr presented the Report.

Maybe Congress needs to bring Rod in for a talk…

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:31:21pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:31:58pm

This episode of the original Twilight Zone scared me to death as a kid

“He’s Alive”

Monsters like Spencer and Miller are proof of that.

Twilight Zone end monologue from He’s Alive

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:34:00pm
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retired cynic  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:34:07pm

It turns out Ken Paxton is in that photo with DT and the Baylor women’s team, back row, second from left.

He got to visit the White House and have a cheeseburger. Whoop di do.

H/T Juanita Jean

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:42:38pm

Virtual ban on abortion bill passes Alabama House 74-3. The bill makes it a crime for a physician to perform an abortion.

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Teukka  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:47:13pm

re: #58 Joe Bacon 🌹

This episode of the original Twilight Zone scared me to death as a kid

“He’s Alive”

Monsters like Spencer and Miller are proof of that.

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Video

“Where will he go next, this phantom from another time, this resurrected ghost of a previous nightmare - Chicago? Los Angeles? Miami, Florida? Vincennes, Indiana? Syracuse, New York? Anyplace, everyplace, where there’s hate, where there’s prejudice, where there’s bigotry. He’s alive. He’s alive so long as these evils exist. Remember that when he comes to your town. Remember it when you hear his voice speaking out through others. Remember it when you hear a name called, a minority attacked, any blind, unreasoning assault on a people or any human being. He’s alive because through these things we keep him alive.”

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:48:34pm

re: #53 gocart mozart

How would people fleeing for their lives be able to pay for asylum? Makes no sense.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:50:10pm

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹

Virtual ban on abortion bill passes Alabama House 74-3. The bill makes it a crime for a physician to perform an abortion.

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Give Trump and Pence another couple terms, and it’ll be Alabama from coast to coast. You’ll like the BBQ.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:52:22pm
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calochortus  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:55:02pm

re: #63 Patricia Kayden

How would people fleeing for their lives be able to pay for asylum? Makes no sense.

I think that’s the point. It would make it even more dangerous to try to find asylum in the US. Asylum seekers are already targets for crime. Imagine if they are also likely to be carrying a few hundred bucks apiece?

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:56:08pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Democrats can impeach him in the House. Let’s see what they do with their power.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 7:59:33pm

re: #63 Patricia Kayden

How would people fleeing for their lives be able to pay for asylum? Makes no sense.

They’re not supposed to. Cruelty is the point. “Those” people are supposed to stay home and die, or become undocumented migrants to exploit. Conservatism in this country has never wanted immigrants except from the “correct” groups (and then discriminate against them when convenient).

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:01:10pm

re: #67 Patricia Kayden

Democrats can impeach him in the House. Let’s see what they do with their power.

Can the House retain a prosecutor? Robert Mueller might be available.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:02:39pm
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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:05:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:06:12pm

nps.gov

Abe got it over 160 years ago.

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:07:13pm

I found a couple of antisemites if anyone want’s to mass report.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:09:22pm

re: #69 BlueSpotinAL

Can the House retain a prosecutor? Robert Mueller might be available.

They could also hold him in Contempt of Congress. That doesn’t require the Senate.

Instead of impeachment, they could go for the criminal charge.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:09:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:09:48pm

re: #73 gocart mozart

I found a couple of antisemites if anyone want’s to mass report.

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Jesus these people. Glad to know they’re afraid of people like my niece. I’m going to do all I can to get her to embrace the fact her existence pisses off right wing assholes.

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Weaselone  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:11:34pm

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹

Let the dragging of a whataboutist CNN contributor commence:

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The article doesn’t actually support his point. If you actually read it, the reason behind the delays and resulting lawsuits was the record number of requests and inability of the office to keep pace with the requests.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:13:02pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:13:24pm

US Navy sailors instructed to ‘clap like we’re at a strip club’ for Pence arrival (CNN)

Ugh.

I suppose that’s better than the Stalin clap test.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:14:14pm

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹

US Navy sailors instructed to ‘clap like we’re at a strip club’ for Pence arrival (CNN)

Ugh.

I suppose that’s better than the Stalin clap test.

Stalin claps are for Orange Stalin only.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:14:43pm

re: #78 jaunte

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They’re an embarrassment.

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:15:23pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:16:14pm

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹

US Navy sailors instructed to ‘clap like we’re at a strip club’ for Pence arrival (CNN)

Ugh.

I suppose that’s better than the Stalin clap test.

Gotta love any sentence that includes “Pence”, “strip club”, and “clap”.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:16:41pm

re: #82 gocart mozart

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Trump’s allies y’all.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:20:34pm

Holy shit those comments. Harassing that guy because his name. But yeah Trump and his allies are so bothered by Antisemitism.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:27:22pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:27:55pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

They’re an embarrassment.

Well, they still haven’t apologised for endorsing Hitler yet, liberal media they are.

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:28:01pm
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Belafon  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:29:06pm

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹

US Navy sailors instructed to ‘clap like we’re at a strip club’ for Pence arrival (CNN)

Ugh.

I suppose that’s better than the Stalin clap test.

They should also throw dollars at him.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:30:34pm

re: #89 Belafon

They should also throw dollars at him.

$2 bills due to inflation. (Also the callback to the urban legend about $2 bills.)

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:33:29pm

We’re under a winter storm warning here at casa del teleskiguy. It’s raining outside. Might have some snow on the ground by morning. High mountains could get over two feet.

Most of the ski areas are closed.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:34:37pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Holy shit those comments. Harassing that guy because his name. But yeah Trump and his allies are so bothered by Antisemitism.

There’s a whole lot of Nazi-adjacent people there Twitter won’t suspend if they’re reported (at this point my presumption is Jack Dorsey is a fellow traveler since he could direct his company to put a stop to it).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:35:30pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:37:15pm
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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:37:59pm

re: #77 Weaselone

The article doesn’t actually support his point. If you actually read it, the reason behind the delays and resulting lawsuits was the record number of requests and inability of the office to keep pace with the requests.

And the story is two years old. Resurrected to deflect from the Barr/Mueller drama, obviously.

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:40:58pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Mike Rothschild @rothschildmd is sort of a Qnut watch dog so it’s kind of funny that a Rothschild is trying to expose them.

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retired cynic  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:41:18pm

re: #95 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

And the story is two years old. Resurrected to deflect from the Barr/Mueller drama, obviously.

Working.

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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:41:55pm

re: #94 gocart mozart

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28 years later, Bill Barr again finds himself lying his ass off to protect a criminal presidency while Bob Mueller looks on with a dour face.

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sagehen  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:44:32pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just felt like mentioning it. No special reason.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:45:17pm

re: #82 gocart mozart

This is the Saul Alinsky tactic of attempting to muzzle dissent using identity politics, shaming voices for simply calling out a criminal who happens to belong to a group. This is why the Rothschilds, architects of the holocaust, pretended to be Jews in the first place.

So Jews like the Rothschilds, who weren’t actually Jews, caused the Holocaust.

These people are unreachable. All you can do is laugh loudly when they start spewing.

(“The devil, that proud spirit, cannot endure to be mocked.”)

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:45:20pm
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retired cynic  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:46:33pm

re: #101 jaunte

When I heard that, I was absolutely gobsmacked. Why hasn’t there been an outcry over this???!!!

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:47:09pm

re: #102 retired cynic

Why hasn’t Schiff been louder about it?

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:48:14pm

This guy is not a liberal. He’s a Koch Bros. psyops mission.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:48:15pm

re: #97 retired cynic

Working.

Only in a small, select group. (See my #100.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:48:34pm

re: #102 retired cynic

When I heard that, I was absolutely gobsmacked. Why hasn’t there been an outcry over this???!!!

Probably been drowned out by all the outcries about all the other crazy shit going on.

But this is where we’re at: No government perks unless you’re a Republican.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:54:02pm

David Lat, a former writer for Wonkette, has apparently gone RWNJ at Above the Law.

Here he’s cheering on Donald Trump approaching a milestone of appointing one hundred judges.

abovethelaw.com

Those would be the same sorts of judges which would invalidate his marriage if they could.

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retired cynic  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:55:55pm

re: #107 Anymouse 🌹

Un-fucking-believable…

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:56:24pm
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ckkatz  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:57:18pm

From the last thread…

re: #90 Feline Fearless Leader

Or a really bad 1981 comedy…

en.wikipedia.org

I am continually amazed by the wealth of knowledge I find in this group!

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sagehen  Apr 30, 2019 • 8:59:35pm

re: #33 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Princeton (my alma mater) was strictly for WASP men of means for a long, long time. Each time a new group was admitted — Catholics, Jews, blacks, the working classes — the Old Guard protested, saying the institution would be ruined. In the late 1960s, Princeton began admitting women, and the Old Guard went bonkers, and while I was there in the late 70s, there was a very active group, the Conservative Alumni of Princeton (CAP), still going on about how coeducation was the downfall of Princeton.

I read an interview awhile ago with a past president of the Princeton alum society who had been totally aghast at the idea of women going there… until his granddaughter told him she was applying. Totally changed his mind.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:01:22pm

re: #111 sagehen

I read an interview awhile ago with a past president of the Princeton alum society who had been totally aghast at the idea of women going there… until his granddaughter told him she was applying. Totally changed his mind.

Yeah, funny how cons change their minds once something they formerly opposed affects them personally.

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:06:28pm

Joe Biden’s New Obama-Heavy Ad

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austin_blue  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:09:19pm

Well this whole Barr versus Mueller thing is just a R versus R war isn’t it?

The winner in this kerfuffle will tell us just how badly our Republic has been fucked.

Sad trombone.

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sagehen  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:10:11pm

re: #63 Patricia Kayden

How would people fleeing for their lives be able to pay for asylum? Makes no sense.

The same way soviet refuseniks paid their exit fees… the decent people will take up collections to pay it for them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:12:00pm

re: #109 gocart mozart

Ms. Jong-Fast left out a “ha.”

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austin_blue  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:17:55pm

re: #115 sagehen

The same way soviet refuseniks paid their exit fees… the decent people will take up collections to pay it for them.

Not the same, but…

Go Fund Me is no way to replace Obama Care…

Nor is Drumpf’s plan to deal with asylum seekers legal. It is against international law.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:21:40pm

Well, according to Dok Zoom’s digging over at Wonkette, the GOP wingnuts who want to bring in the Austrian Nazi (not Hitler) for his girlfriend, that guy is connected to the New Zealand mass-murder. Apparently that guy gave the Austrian’s organisation money, and they conversed back and forth.

The county GOP voted unanimously passing a resolution urging his admission to the USA.

Idaho Republicans Very Sad For Lovelorn Austrian Nazi And US Sweetheart

[Martin] Sellner leads an Austrian anti-immigrant hate group called “Generation Identity” (and will say with a straight face, like every other white nationalist, that he doesn’t hate anyone — he just loves European Europeans). His home was raided in March and computers belonging to him and [Brittney] Pettibone, who was visiting, were seized after Austrian authorities learned Brenton Tarrant, the New Zealand mosque shooter, had made a large donation to Sellner’s group.

Ms. Pettibone is the girlfriend in Idaho who’s computer Austria seized.

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austin_blue  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:25:21pm

re: #118 Anymouse 🌹

Well, according to Dok Zoom’s digging over at Wonkette, the GOP wingnuts who want to bring in the Austrian Nazi (not Hitler) for his girlfriend is connected to the New Zealand mass-murder. Apparently that guy gave the Austrian’s organisation money, and they conversed back and forth.

The county GOP voted unanimously passing a resolution urging his admission to the USA.

Idaho Republicans Very Sad For Lovelorn Austrian Nazi And US Sweetheart

Ms. Pettibone is the girlfriend in Idaho who’s computer Austria seized.

Who is the Customs and Border Control or ICE to stand in the way of true love?

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:27:07pm

re: #119 austin_blue

Who is the Customs and Border Control or ICE to stand in the way of true love?

As long as they’re not crossing the Mexican border it’s all good apparently.

My wife’s been to Idaho; she says the state is beautiful and we need to visit together. I’m not setting foot anywhere near that place.

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:28:45pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:29:10pm

bolton coup fizzle, 99 cents a glass

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:33:14pm

re: #121 gocart mozart

Shorter: He doesn’t believe in religious liberty or social policy staying out of your bedroom and doctor’s office.

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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:34:53pm

re: #121 gocart mozart

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“If only Dems would agree with me on how wrong it is that too many people are fucking without my explicit permission, I’d seriously give thought to considering joining their team.”

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:37:45pm

re: #33 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Princeton (my alma mater) was strictly for WASP men of means for a long, long time. Each time a new group was admitted — Catholics, Jews, blacks, the working classes — the Old Guard protested, saying the institution would be ruined. In the late 1960s, Princeton began admitting women, and the Old Guard went bonkers, and while I was there in the late 70s, there was a very active group, the Conservative Alumni of Princeton (CAP), still going on about how coeducation was the downfall of Princeton. One of CAP’s most vocal reps was a young alum whose name escapes me now, but he’d fit right in with modern day cons like Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro.

Samuel Alito?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:39:04pm

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

As long as they’re not crossing the Mexican border it’s all good apparently.

My wife’s been to Idaho; she says the state is beautiful and we need to visit together. I’m not setting foot anywhere near that place.

idaho is a wonderful place made up of all the bits and pieces that no other states wanted

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:41:45pm

re: #121 gocart mozart

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:44:56pm

re: #125 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

Samuel Alito?

No, though Alito was a notable member. The guy in question was T. Harding Jones, class of 1972. And I got the name of the organization wrong (shame on me); it’s “Concerned Alumni of Princeton.”

Jones was about six years older than I. He died of pancreatic cancer in 2007.

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:48:02pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:53:24pm

re: #127 Belafon

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“Religious liberty” is like “school choice” or “local control,” an Orwellian construct of wingnut conservatives where the words together mean exactly the opposite of what they imply. When wingnut tells you that his “religious liberty” is under attack, what he means is his ability to use his religion to restrict or deny you your rights is under attack. He certainly doesn’t give a fuck about your religious liberty.

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:54:22pm

When Italians find out that Lenny Kravitz mom played Helen on the Jeffersons

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:54:50pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 9:57:45pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

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What’s sad is that Matt was proven wrong weeks ago, when the only partial quote from the Report that Barr included in his letter was put in context to show that it was far more devastating to Donny than Barr attempted to spin it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:01:55pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

“Religious liberty” is like “school choice” or “local control,” an Orwellian construct of wingnut conservatives where the words together mean exactly the opposite of what they imply. When wingnut tells you that his “religious liberty” is under attack, what he means is his ability to use his religion to restrict or deny you your rights is under attack. He certainly doesn’t give a fuck about your religious liberty.

They would outlaw my wife and me if they could.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:05:02pm

Mayor Buttigieg flips on his vaccine statement.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:07:21pm

re: #27 Anymouse 🌹

I am all for confiscatory taxes on unearned wealth, and strong taxes on earned wealth (really, where do you spend your third billion dollars). Hoarding money should be viewed no differently than hoarding cats.

This is a subject I’d like society at large to have a conversation about.

Compulsive hoarding isn’t just about the “crazy cat lady” who lives down the block in her bungalow with 46 cats - nor is it all about the elderly gentleman who lives in a two-bedroom apartment on the Lower East Side stacked to the rafters with newspapers dating back to 1943.

People can, and do, hoard money. It becomes an obsession in and of itself; They will keep accumulating money beyond any reasonable measure necessary to live a comfortable life. If you had (quite literally) one billion dollars ($1,000,000,000) and you spent $1,000 each and every day, that would last you well over 2,500 years before you went broke, in other words, over 30 lifetimes.

What are they going to do with it? Give it to their kids? That’s an understandable thing, I suppose. But what else are they going to do with it? Try to buy themselves some form of immortality? Build themselves a great big pyramid and try to take it with them, like the ancient Pharaohs?

Perhaps we need to starting to look at monetary hoarding as a form of mental illness, no different than hoarding cats or newspapers.

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gwangung  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:07:45pm

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹

Mayor Buttigieg flips on his vaccine statement.

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Dude’s gotta remember that he’s playing in the big leagues.

It’s not disqualifying (see Trump, The Orange), but the coasts can only take so much…

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:08:02pm

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹

Mayor Buttigieg flips on his vaccine statement.

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How could he have made that statement in the first place? It’s a great disappointment, given his generally thoughtful analysis of issues, but this may also reflect his inexperience and youth. Sigh. I had really liked him though thinking he was definitely too young.

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sagehen  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:09:00pm

re: #121 gocart mozart

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Dreher’s concern about religious liberty is that his church’s food bank or adoption agency might not get government subsidies if they discriminate against people who don’t share his faith; my concern about religious liberty is that if I go to services a Nazi might shoot me while I’m trying to think about spiritual things.

Somehow, I think my fear is more justified.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:12:27pm

re: #139 sagehen

Dreher’s concern about religious liberty is that his church’s food bank or adoption agency might not get government subsidies if they discriminate against people who don’t share his faith; my concern about religious liberty is that if I go to services a Nazi might shoot me while I’m trying to think about spiritual things.

Somehow, I think my fear is more justified.

My fear is a religiously-controlled government (of any faith) would take my rights.

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ckkatz  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:25:14pm

Apropos to nothing, a good Saint Walpurgis Night and following May 1st.

The location in this video is about 63rd lattitude north. In terms of North America, it would be somewhere betwixt Nome and Anchorage

Ranarim - Maj vare välkommen (Majvisa) (live, 2008)

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fern01  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:27:53pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

Give Trump and Pence another couple terms, and it’ll be Alabama from coast to coast. You’ll like the BBQ.

And unlike in Ireland, they won’t care how many women die because of what they do.

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ckkatz  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:39:16pm

re: #137 gwangung

Dude’s gotta remember that he’s playing in the big leagues.

It’s not disqualifying (see Trump, The Orange), but the coasts can only take so much…

I’m thinking like you that Buttigieg is fairly young and in-experienced.

I also think that simple mistakes like this are more damaging.

But not because his inexperience causes him to make them. I find all humans under the scrutiny of the public are going to make mistakes.

I think that it is because the public does not know him and so this is one of a small number of stories about him. And thus more important to the public than a similar story from someone we have been watching for 50 years.

For example “Good Ol’ Joe. he makes gaffes all the time. But his heart is in the right place. He’ll fix it.”

I think that he has a good future in the party. But the only cure I know for ‘newness’ is time.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:43:26pm
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ckkatz  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:51:12pm

re: #144 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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I do hope there are consequences to Barr’s outrageous behavior. Unfortunately, I am concerned that they will be positive for he and Trump. Barr got away with it last time. And it only encouraged him to do it again.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:02:47pm

I saw a strange statistic at my wife’s dentist office today.

Amongst US adults, more are missing at least one tooth than the number of adults with a smartphone. (139 million v 133 million).

The advert did not correlate cell phone use or dentistry with political leanings. I’m missing four (not counting wisdom teeth), so at least for me the stupid trope about people missing teeth voting for Trump doesn’t apply.

(I really hate that meme. It’s body and poverty shaming. I wish liberals wouldn’t use it. I also want a pony.)

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:10:12pm

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹

My front tooth is still chipped after a long boarding accident in Boulder. Think Jim Carrey in Dumb & Dumber, that’s been my smile for almost 10 years.

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ckkatz  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:11:04pm

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹

I saw a strange statistic at my wife’s dentist office today.

Amongst US adults, more are missing at least one tooth than the number of adults with a smartphone. (139 million v 133 million).

The advert did not correlate cell phone use or dentistry with political leanings. I’m missing four (not counting wisdom teeth), so at least for me the stupid trope about people missing teeth voting for Trump doesn’t apply.

(I really hate that meme. It’s body and poverty shaming. I wish liberals wouldn’t use it. I also want a pony.)

I think that there is a trend among dentists to point out that dental health impacts general health. A trend I think appears to benefit both dentists and the general public.

I agree with you that this advert treads fairly close to shaming. And coming from a German-American background, shaming is one cultural control mechanism I have seen employed.

Some years back, I dated a lady whose mother was German, her father American, and who went through the local German language High School. She had a lot more opinions on this community use of shaming as a control method, and they were quite… pithy.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:13:07pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:17:15pm

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

Now if someone could troll Trump to attack Sonic the Hedgehog for infanticide and get him to tweet it out (or better, phone it in to FOX) …

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:19:13pm

re: #147 teleskiguy

I remember showing up to work the next day and everybody thought I got beat up by someone. Still makes me laugh.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:20:53pm

re: #151 teleskiguy

I remember showing up to work the next day and everybody thought I got beat up by someone. Still makes me laugh.

“You should have seen how the other guy looked!”

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ckkatz  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:23:32pm

Another song for spring. Although it does contain quite a mixture of philosophies in it.

loreena mckennitt - mummers dance

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Amory Blaine  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:39:09pm

They want to charge us 5 grand to replace my wifes tooth. I have dental “insurance”.

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ckkatz  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:42:46pm

One more…

A Swedish song about high mountains, deep valleys and… Party!

All sung to a picture of New Zealand… :)

Ranarim-Höga Berg

High mountains and deep valleys
The forest full of nightingales
High mountains and deep valleys
The friend that pleases me

Come, come, my heart’s very dearest
We shall dance until the morning is here
All the night until the break of day
Come, let us dance ourselves tired

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:49:05pm

Ayup.

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ckkatz  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:50:52pm

re: #154 Amory Blaine

They want to charge us 5 grand to replace my wifes tooth. I have dental “insurance”.

I had to have two tooth implants a few years ago. In researching, I found that prices and dentist qualifications were all over the place. Plus, like you, the cost was all out of pocket. Dental insurance for me was useless.

I ended up going with the dentist and surgeon that I was most comfortable would do good jobs. And I made cost an important, but secondary priority.

I certainly felt like I knew far too little about the decision I had to make. But as a programmer, I can get a bit anal.

Good Luck!

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:53:35pm

re: #154 Amory Blaine

They want to charge us 5 grand to replace my wifes tooth. I have dental “insurance”.

Wow. I didn’t know how much it cost, but that seems like a lot. For the price of my four teeth I could buy another house.

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Cheechako  May 1, 2019 • 12:15:02am

re: #154 Amory Blaine

They want to charge us 5 grand to replace my wifes tooth. I have dental “insurance”.

I recommend going to a dentist in Los Algodones, Mexico. Los Aldodones is about 15 miles outside Yuma, AZ. Almost all the dentists (and there are many) were trained in the US. The cost will be about 1/3 the cost of similar treatments in the US. Plus they take US credit cards.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 1, 2019 • 12:16:13am

re: #159 Cheechako

I recommend going to a dentist in Los Algodones, Mexico. Los Aldodones is about 15 miles outside Yuma, AZ. Almost all the dentists (and there are many) were trained in the US. The cost will be about 1/3 the cost of similar treatments in the US. Plus they take US credit cards.

In my part of the world. S. Korea and Thailand are the go-to places for dental and medical care — Thailand being the less expensive of the two.

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Chrysicat  May 1, 2019 • 12:16:39am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 1, 2019 • 12:20:28am

re: #161 Chrysicat

The thing is they cannot limit what a convention does. A constitutional convention can literally talk about anything (for example, extreme restrictions on guns, confiscatory taxation, anything).

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Anymouse 🌹  May 1, 2019 • 12:24:21am

re: #161 Chrysicat

Why such a convention would not go the way they want:
cbpp.org

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teleskiguy  May 1, 2019 • 12:26:15am

A Constitutional Convention on the Second Amendment to the Constitution, I think, is in order*.

*gun owner

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teleskiguy  May 1, 2019 • 12:27:51am

This is The Simpsons at its wackiest.

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Chrysicat  May 1, 2019 • 12:34:20am

re: #162 Anymouse 🌹

The thing is they cannot limit what a convention does. A constitutional convention can literally talk about anything (for example, extreme restrictions on guns, confiscatory taxation, anything).

I’m moderately lost. Are you telling me to step back from my ledge, and that even the Kochs won’t be able to have the strongest hand on a runaway convention’s tiller; or criticising the guy who suggested it as a solution?

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goddamnedfrank  May 1, 2019 • 12:36:03am

Honestly, I’m embarrassed for them.

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Ace-o-aces  May 1, 2019 • 12:40:30am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 1, 2019 • 12:41:43am

A Kuwaiti academic (who also sells woo products) appeared on television in Kuwait claiming anal worms which feed on semen cause “Teh Geyh” and lesbians. (Not sure how semen fits in with lesbians.)

She hawks suppositories to cure “Teh Geyh.” She also says “this is all science so there’s nothing to be ashamed of” and calls it “prophetic science.” (Look for American Christians to pick up that term, the same way they picked up the Kalam Cosmological Argument from Islam.)

Shameless page promotion about the Kalam Cosmological Argument at my corner of my wife’s Website, where she lets me debunk Christian apologetic arguments:

Apologetics Fail #1: Kalam Cosmological Argument (goes to Cynics for a Better Tomorrow)

This is your brain on lack of sexual education. Conservatives here want the same sort of “education” for us.

(Goes to Utah Outcasts, caution for coarse language, 10:34)

Kuwaiti Academic Cures Same-Sex Attraction

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Ace-o-aces  May 1, 2019 • 1:12:16am

It’s stopped clock time.

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Patricia Kayden  May 1, 2019 • 1:18:12am

re: #118 Anymouse 🌹

Republicans sure love them some Nazis.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 1, 2019 • 1:53:49am

re: #170 Ace-o-aces

It’s stopped clock time.

There is method to this madness, he wants to make it look like this is not the avowed policy and interest of the RW

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  May 1, 2019 • 2:00:25am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 1, 2019 • 2:04:05am

re: #173 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

“Thus far, Mr. Trump has proved very bad at building. Highways, bridges, pipelines, water systems, even beautiful steel border walls — all have turned out to be more complicated than he anticipated.”

When you set out to build something, you appoint a planning commission to produce engineering and design studies along with environmental and legal impact reports…

You might think that a “builder” would know all about that…

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  May 1, 2019 • 2:08:39am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yeah, I worked for a city and I know so much more about how to plan a project than he does and I merely worked on traffic lights and underground markings.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  May 1, 2019 • 3:16:57am
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Decatur Deb  May 1, 2019 • 3:35:09am

Merry May Day, comrades. May all of your revolutions be permanent.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 1, 2019 • 3:37:04am

re: #177 Decatur Deb

Merry May Day, comrades. May all of your purges be great.

I am personally enjoying a four-day holiday. Workers of the world, unite!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 1, 2019 • 3:40:30am

I’m off to bed.

On the way out, a shameless page promotion in the right hand column.

Flag Observances for May

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 1, 2019 • 3:41:33am

re: #176 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

Hard to forget when Trump shocked his own State Department and Pentagon by backing the blockade of Qatar—home to more than 10,000 US troops—after meeting with its chief backers, the Saudis and Emiratis

and this is a major reason why he cannot get qualified people to work for him

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 1, 2019 • 3:49:32am

re: #177 Decatur Deb

Merry May Day, comrades. May all of your purges be great.

It is a holiday in most of Europe, and lots of people are taking the rest of the week off or the two days before or after

Weather is just perfect, 72° and sunny

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 1, 2019 • 3:49:37am

The average teacher salary in the USA is almost $62,000, largely because the most populous states (and Alaska) pay reasonably well. The other states, well, pay craptastic salaries.

blogs.edweek.org

NY has the highest pay (almost $86,000). Mississippi has the lowest (slightly above half of NY’s).

Source: National Education Association
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 1, 2019 • 3:51:25am

Assange has a new residence for the next year. according to the Washington Post’s email alerts.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange sentenced to 50 weeks in a British prison for jumping bail in 2012

Assange is scheduled to face an extradition hearing on Thursday. He has been charged in the United States with conspiring to hack a government computer.

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Dr Lizardo  May 1, 2019 • 3:53:49am

re: #183 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Assange has a new residence for the next year. according to the Washington Post’s email alerts.

Three hots and a cot.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 1, 2019 • 3:54:44am

re: #183 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Assange has a new residence for the next year. according to the Washington Post’s email alerts.

Tell me I should be upset at Mr. Assange going to jail. /s

I really hope that Sweden reopens those rape charges. I’ll dance a little jig of despair if the schmuck goes to jail for that.

G’night.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 1, 2019 • 4:03:00am
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Dr Lizardo  May 1, 2019 • 4:04:01am

Some good news from here in Europe:

Homophobic preacher Steven Anderson will not be allowed to enter the Netherlands as part of a speaking tour later this month. Gay rights campaign organisation COC, MPs from across the spectrum and Amsterdam’s mayor, Femke Halsema, all urged the government to block Steven Anderson after he announced his plan to speak in the capital on May 23. Junior justice minister Mark Harbers said on Wednesday that measures would be taken to stop Anderson at the border, though he did not specify what these were.

dutchnews.nl

Anderson is head of Faitful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, AZ. He’s also been banned from entering the Schengen Area.

Good.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 1, 2019 • 4:27:37am

re: #182 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

The average teacher salary in the USA is almost $62,000, largely because the most populous states (and Alaska) pay reasonably well. The other states, well, pay craptastic salaries.

blogs.edweek.org

NY has the highest pay (almost $86,000). Mississippi has the lowest (slightly above half of NY’s).

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I would offer the likelihood that those salaries have more to do with the local cost of living, and or hardship conditions, than the generosity of said states and communities

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 1, 2019 • 4:39:32am

re: #188 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I would offer the likelihood that those salaries have more to do with the local cost of living, and or hardship conditions, than the generosity of said states and communities

That is a fair point, since the COL in NY State is higher than in Iowa, for example. It is also fair to say some of the red states are less than generous when it comes to paying their teachers. Teaching should not be a subsistence occupation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 1, 2019 • 4:41:54am

re: #189 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

That is a fair point, since the COL in NY State is higher than in Iowa, for example. It is also fair to say some of the red states are less than generous when it comes to paying their teachers. Teaching should not be a subsistence occupation.

Yes, a teacher living on $86K in NYC is not going to be much better off financially than one living off $45.5K in Mississippi

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 4:43:53am

re: #189 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

That is a fair point, since the COL in NY State is higher than in Iowa, for example. It is also fair to say some of the red states are less than generous when it comes to paying their teachers. Teaching should not be a subsistence occupation.

That’s actually why I support wage increases in line with the COL in an area.

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Old Liberal  May 1, 2019 • 5:10:34am

re: #154 Amory Blaine

They want to charge us 5 grand to replace my wifes tooth. I have dental “insurance”.

Dental tourism.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 1, 2019 • 5:23:15am

re: #179 Anymouse 🌹

I’m off to bed.

On the way out, a shameless page promotion in the right hand column.

Flag Observances for May

Gotta say, ever since ‘mouse has been here, I have learned more about flag etiquette than I ever thought possible, errr, existed…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 1, 2019 • 5:24:44am

re: #187 Dr Lizardo

Anderson is head of Faitful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, AZ. He’s also been banned from entering the Schengen Area.

Good.

He is a truly scuzzy person. His wife is a creepy as he is, too.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 1, 2019 • 5:26:35am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

That’s actually why I support wage increases in line with the COL in an area.

The reason that the federal pay (GS) system is locality adjusted. Living in the DC Metro area is radically different (in many ways) than living in Birmingham, AL.

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Dr Lizardo  May 1, 2019 • 5:29:02am

re: #194 Colère Tueur de Lapin

He is a truly scuzzy person. His wife is a creepy as he is, too.

Quelle surprise.

I’m sure he’ll be ranting soon about how “godless Eurotrash” is preventing him from spreading the Gospel or something.

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Dave In Austin  May 1, 2019 • 5:30:53am

My question to wingnuts today is a simple one.
Where’s your “Red Line? Or do you even have one?
#5thAveMoments

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jeffreyw  May 1, 2019 • 5:35:24am

Good morning!

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Jay C  May 1, 2019 • 5:38:01am

re: #122 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

bolton coup fizzle, 99 cents million bolivars a glass

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Dave In Austin  May 1, 2019 • 5:43:56am

Barr Day Comedy. Bernie Style!

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Dave In Austin  May 1, 2019 • 5:45:56am

re: #198 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Damn you! (for the next 15 mins then I’m over it. Where’s the griddle?)

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 5:49:31am

re: #195 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The reason that the federal pay (GS) system is locality adjusted. Living in the DC Metro area is radically different (in many ways) than living in Birmingham, AL.

Yep.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 1, 2019 • 5:49:58am

re: #198 jeffreyw

I made pancakes and eggs for breakfast today, too. Skipped the sausage this time.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 5:51:56am

re: #196 Dr Lizardo

Quelle surprise.

I’m sure he’ll be ranting soon about how “godless Eurotrash” is preventing him from spreading the Gospel or something.

Don’t know him but yeah they love to rant and whine about how Europe is godless. They’re the reason why people turn away from organized religion,

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William Lewis  May 1, 2019 • 5:54:17am

re: #203 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I made pancakes and eggs for breakfast today, too. Skipped the sausage this time.

Corned beef hash, eggs and waffles. My big mug of Yorkshire tea. Burp. ;)

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Dr Lizardo  May 1, 2019 • 5:54:29am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Don’t know him but yeah they love to rant and whine about how Europe is godless. They’re the reason why people turn away from organized religion,

It’s a pretty common stereotype wingnuts have of Europe. Granted, Czech Republic is something of an exception (70% identify as atheist or agnostic) but to say all of Europe is like that is patently ridiculous.

Off to work. Back later.

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makeitstop  May 1, 2019 • 6:00:02am

‘Morning, Lizards.

Has the White House announced that Barr isn’t testifying today yet?

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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 6:08:42am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Shit got real last night as Mueller threw down the gauntlet against AG Barr.

This is the kind of thing that never happens. Typically, the AG doesn’t get political and interfere in investigations or the results of said investigation, and that’s precisely what Barr did, because that’s what Trump hired Barr to do.

Mueller specifically calls out Barr for lying about the key fundamental truths uncovered by Mueller’s report - and we all know what he’s talking about.

There’s nothing in the report that exonerates Trump. Nothing.

The report is a laundry list for impeaching and removing Trump on at least 10 incidences of obstruction of justice, and the conspiracy against the US is sufficient to impeach as well.

Per DOJ rules, Mueller couldn’t indict Trump on those because he’s a sitting president (and the next president should get the DOJ to rescind the rules and make it explicit that a president who engages in criminal acts can be indicted for felonious conduct).

All this is the backdrop for the AG Barr hearings, and we should expect fireworks, including demands that Barr resign. I’m also putting odds on the possibility that Barr takes the 5th to avoid implicating himself in further criminal acts.

That’s how bad this is for Barr, and it’s even worse for Trump.

This Infrastructure Week came in like a lamb, but it’s going out a lyin’.

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Dave In Austin  May 1, 2019 • 6:08:57am

I wonder how things are over on Freepers today?

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Belafon  May 1, 2019 • 6:09:52am
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Belafon  May 1, 2019 • 6:13:18am
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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 6:14:55am

re: #211 Belafon

If you were a suspicious person, you’d know that Trump hired Barr for the specific purpose of obstructing justice and trying to end the Mueller report to prevent it from further damaging his admin.

The outcome is exactly Trumpian - it blows up in their faces. It implicates Barr in obstruction of justice, opens the door for Barr to commit perjury, take the 5th to avoid further implication of criminal wrongdoing, and should lead to his resignation.

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Dave In Austin  May 1, 2019 • 6:17:32am

Ratfucking Thread

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 1, 2019 • 6:18:00am

re: #212 lawhawk

If you were a suspicious person, you’d know that Trump hired Barr for the specific purpose of obstructing justice and trying to end the Mueller report to prevent it from further damaging his admin.

The outcome is exactly Trumpian - it blows up in their faces. It implicates Barr in obstruction of justice, opens the door for Barr to commit perjury, take the 5th to avoid further implication of criminal wrongdoing, and should lead to his resignation.

Everything Trump has done, beginning with firing Comey, has made things worse for him and his crew. He will throw Barr under the bus now, and Barr should have realized being roadkill was part of his job description.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 1, 2019 • 6:19:21am

re: #212 lawhawk

People on my FB that were crowing and shouting “exoneration” now suddenly are all “it’s irrelevant” and “who cares?”.

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Belafon  May 1, 2019 • 6:20:15am

re: #215 Unshaken Defiance

People on my FB that were crowing and shouting “exoneration” now suddenly are all “it’s irrelevant” and “who cares?”.

“Umm, I do.”

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 6:21:01am

re: #215 Unshaken Defiance

People on my FB that were crowing and shouting “exoneration” now suddenly are all “it’s irrelevant” and “who cares?”.

Mine have been pretty silent as of late. Still stupid memes once and now but nothing about how Trump is innocent.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 6:22:45am

re: #216 Belafon

“Umm, I do.”

Yeah obstruction of justice into an investigation about interference in our election should bother us all regardless. Just like Barr acting as Trump’s personal attorney rather than AG should but it pisses off the libs so they’re fine.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 1, 2019 • 6:24:23am

Unserious moment.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 6:24:46am

re: #211 Belafon

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Dave In Austin  May 1, 2019 • 6:30:03am
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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 6:30:56am

re: #215 Unshaken Defiance

Not surprising in the slightest. We’re watching the Endgame begin to get played out here. All of Trump’s moves are predictable - obstruction, perjury, etc., and the counter moves are where we see the variables.

Democrats trying to figure out the 16 million permutations of how to impeach without impeaching, or impeaching without getting removal, or making the case so overwhelming that resignation before removal becomes the option.

My take: impeach. There’s everything to lose if you don’t. Show just how compromised the GOP are in defending this corrupt admin, and slam Graham at every turn. Repeat his 1999 speech on impeachment every time he gets close to a microphone.

Remind everyone that Trump obstructed justice, lied about his meetings with Russians and foreign powers, and that his closest advisers were indicted, convicted, or took plea deals. His personal lawyer is going to prison for federal felonies. He’s an unindicted coconspirator on those felonies, which by itself is impeachable conduct.

Everything Trump touched or did included criminal conduct, including hiring undocumented workers across multiple golf resorts to maximize his personal profits and minimize his costs. That too is a felony action given the scope. He only took action to implement document screening after he was caught by WaPo.

Trump Foundation was shuttered as a scam and violating NYS law.
Trump U was shuttered as a scam.

The full accounting of his financial crimes is still underway since we have yet to see the tax returns, but we already know that Deutsche Bank should never have advanced him loans based on his income but higher ups overrode the underwriters.

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Decatur Deb  May 1, 2019 • 6:31:10am

re: #213 Dave In Austin

Ratfucking Thread

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We get those every year or so. Always seemed like a joke, wasting their money on ancient Democrats, but this guy’s concern that it’s being sent to vulnerable very old voters underlines the full-bore fraudulence of it. (Don’t think our version identifies the expected donation as a “required” processing fee—probably tailored to the laws in different states.)

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Dave In Austin  May 1, 2019 • 6:31:29am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Mine have been pretty silent as of late. Still stupid memes once and now but nothing about how Trump is innocent.

Same here. Or it was just blatantly stupid.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 1, 2019 • 6:34:43am

Brainwashed relatives believe Hillary and Obama will be arrested for treason after Trump declares martial law…

I can’t even…

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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 6:35:14am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 1, 2019 • 6:37:04am

re: #222 lawhawk

The full accounting of his financial crimes is still underway since we have yet to see the tax returns, but we already know that Deutsche Bank should never have advanced him loans based on his income but higher ups overrode the underwriters.

I was watching a YT video about Game of Thrones and the Iron Bank calling in its debt on the Lannisters, and thought of Trump. The OP repeated the old saw, “If you owe the bank $100 and can’t pay it, it’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million and can’t pay it, it’s the bank’s problem.” Trump is scared shitless the world is going to know what the NYC elite already know: he’s a fraud. He’s not a billionaire. He’s not liquid. He’s in debt up to his eyeballs, and probably using his current job to service that debt.

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Decatur Deb  May 1, 2019 • 6:37:56am

re: #226 Joe Bacon 🌹

Brainwashed relatives believe Hillary and Obama will be arrested for treason after Trump declares martial law…

I can’t even…

Have they already forgotten a time when the country wasn’t actually crazy?

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 6:41:00am

re: #224 Dave In Austin

Same here. Or it was just blatantly stupid.

I don’t block people I disagree with politically. Just not what I do but I do unfollow people who post nothing but RW memes.

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Dave In Austin  May 1, 2019 • 6:41:16am

re: #225 lawhawk

I bet he showers now……. Carefully.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 6:41:43am

re: #229 Decatur Deb

Have they already forgotten a time when the country wasn’t actually crazy?

Oh the Longago Times when we had a President whose worst personal sin was fancy mustard on his burger. Seems like so long ago.

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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 6:41:47am

White nationalists have a home in the military.
Christian extremists make their presence felt at the USAF Academy and elsewhere in the US Military.
US Marines post photos of their feet in the form of a goddamned Nazi swastika.

These are the continued consequences of the amorality of the GOP and Trumpism’s exploitation of white supremacy and nativism throughout the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 6:44:36am

re: #233 lawhawk

White nationalists have a home in the military.
Christian extremists make their presence felt at the USAF Academy and elsewhere in the US Military.
US Marines post photos of their feet in the form of a goddamned Nazi swastika.

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These are the continued consequences of the amorality of the GOP and Trumpism’s exploitation of white supremacy and nativism throughout the GOP.

My cousin Mike Strank, the Iwo Jima flagraiser would be disgusted by that. He literally enlisted in the USMC because he saw what was going on with the Nazis. Mike was born in the same village as my grandmother’s father. Didn’t learn this obviously until much later but their home village barely escaped being burned. I’m not going to badmouth veterans obviously here but if veterans want the veneration they want in our society, stop doing shit like this. The Nazis weren’t some fucking gag for you to make light of.

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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 6:45:04am

re: #228 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Yup. There are some serious parallels with Trump, Deutsche Bank, and the Iron Bank vis a vis the Lannisters.

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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 6:49:18am

Barr’s hearing is going to be absolutely (gas) lit.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 6:51:39am

re: #236 lawhawk

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Barr’s hearing is going to be absolutely (gas) lit.

One thing I think we all know we can look forward to is the Republicans on committee spending all their time doing two things: Ranting about the “evils” of the FBI/Obama admin for starting such an “illegal” investigation to begin with, and how the DNC are being so mean to Donny instead of worshiping him as they do.

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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 6:53:01am

re: #237 Targetpractice

Yup. Their entire goal will be to DARVO the proceedings and somehow make this about Clinton or Obama and how they are the ones who broke the law, when Mueller’s report shows clear criminal conduct by Trump.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 6:54:03am

re: #237 Targetpractice

One thing I think we all know we can look forward to is the Republicans on committee spending all their time doing two things: Ranting about the “evils” of the FBI/Obama admin for starting such an “illegal” investigation to begin with, and how the DNC are being so mean to Donny instead of worshiping him as they do.

This is why having Mueller testifying and talking will help. The investigation was about whether Russia interfered in our election. It came up in said investigation that Trump and his allies courted assistance. And Trump obstructed said investigation. Trump likes to talk about how deeply conflicted Mueller and his team were. The House Republicans and Trump and his inner circle are much more so. Everything Trump has said has been one gigantic projection.

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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 6:57:18am

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 6:57:30am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

This is why having Mueller testifying and talking will help. The investigation was about whether Russia interfered in our election. It came up in said investigation that Trump and his allies courted assistance. And Trump obstructed said investigation. Trump likes to talk about how deeply conflicted Mueller and his team were. The House Republicans and Trump and his inner circle are much more so. Everything Trump has said has been one gigantic projection.

The reason I look forward to Mueller appearing before Congress is the way the GOP have trying to talk out of both sides of their mouths, attacking him as everything from “partisan” to “glory-seeking” when they wanted to quash the investigation, yet now insisting that his integrity is above reproach for the purposes of bashing anyone who questions the way the Report has been presented to the public.

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Teukka  May 1, 2019 • 7:00:25am

re: #213 Dave In Austin

Ratfucking Thread

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Holy feces o.O

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makeitstop  May 1, 2019 • 7:03:59am

Barr is in the hearing room. Here we go…

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 7:05:40am

re: #243 makeitstop

Barr is in the hearing room. Here we go…

Yep.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 7:07:19am

God, how I wish this was being conducted in the House. This is gonna be an absolute shitshow.

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makeitstop  May 1, 2019 • 7:07:35am

Graham. I already want to punch my monitor.

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Dave In Austin  May 1, 2019 • 7:07:48am

Fuck off Lindsey

I don’t know if I can handle a whole lot of Trumpist “questioning”. I believe there are a few I might listen to. This turds not one of them.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 7:09:17am

Trump answered written questions because he refused to sit for an interview, Lindsey. Why skip over that when talking about all the “cooperation”?

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Dave In Austin  May 1, 2019 • 7:09:19am

Grassley and Kennedy I’ll prolly listen to. Not my Senator though.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 7:10:32am

Again, Trump ordered Mueller’s removal and was only prevented from doing so because McGahn refused to carry out the order. Again, why lie, Lindsey?

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 7:11:13am

re: #250 Targetpractice

Again, Trump ordered Mueller’s removal and was only prevented from doing so because McGahn refused to carry out the order. Again, why lie, Lindsey?

Because Lindsay is petrified of seeing as being disloyal to the Trump.

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jeffreyw  May 1, 2019 • 7:11:23am

re: #201 Dave In Austin

Damn you! (for the next 15 mins then I’m over it. Where’s the griddle?)

Here it is, brand new and working on getting a season on.

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makeitstop  May 1, 2019 • 7:12:05am

Fuck it, I turned it off. It’s only gonna piss me off.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 7:12:38am

Give a bit of credit, Lindsey is actually knocking Trump for his denials about Russian’s involvement and even invokes the “400lb guy.”

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 7:12:56am

re: #253 makeitstop

Fuck it, I turned it off. It’s only gonna piss me off.

Probably for the best man. Barr disgusts me. He’s worse than Sessions..

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 7:13:33am

And we now move onto the DARVO portion of the program.

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jeffreyw  May 1, 2019 • 7:14:01am

re: #203 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

We are just back from a trip to the region’s best meat processor. We brought a bunch of their smoked garlic sausage back with us.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 1, 2019 • 7:14:31am
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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 7:14:58am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

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Lazy asshole.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 1, 2019 • 7:16:00am

JFC

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 7:17:55am

*sigh* Lindsey wasting everybody’s time by relitigating “Emailgate.”

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 7:18:44am

Going what about Hillary only helps them with people who are convinced Hillary is guilty.

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Citizen K  May 1, 2019 • 7:18:47am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

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DangerMan  May 1, 2019 • 7:21:09am

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 7:21:54am

Feinstein getting to the meat of the matter: Barr has totally mischaracterized the Report to cover for Donny’s ass.

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makeitstop  May 1, 2019 • 7:22:28am

House Judiciary should call a press conference to announce impeachment proceedings against Barr. Like right now.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 7:22:54am

re: #265 Targetpractice

Feinstein getting to the meat of the matter: Barr has totally mischaracterized the Report to cover for Donny’s ass.

TBH that’s why I sometimes really value the old guard. They know how to do this really well.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 7:23:52am

re: #264 DangerMan

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Incompetency. This is what happens when you run government like a business.

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Patricia Kayden  May 1, 2019 • 7:24:06am

re: #227 lawhawk

What a great temperament and demeanor. So presidential!!

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Teukka  May 1, 2019 • 7:25:19am

May Day this side of the pond…
Nordic Resistance Movement (NRM/NMR) in clashes with police and counterdemonstrators.

Expressen livestream behind spoiler, check volume before playing, no volume control in player.

Click to Reveal

Iframe

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 7:29:36am

Do you guys think all this nationalism is coinciding with the fact we have fewer people alive that truly remember the horrors of fascism left or is it just that the internet helps like minded people congregate more. TBH I think it’s a little of both.

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Belafon  May 1, 2019 • 7:30:57am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Do you guys think all this nationalism is coinciding with the fact we have fewer people alive that truly remember the horrors of fascism left or is it just that the internet helps like minded people congregate more. TBH I think it’s a little of both.

I think its that we have reached a point where white people know they’re no longer going to be the only authority and are fighting it, and the internet allows them to communicate quicker.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 7:32:40am

re: #272 Belafon

I think its that we have reached a point where white people know they’re no longer going to be the only authority and are fighting it, and the internet allows them to communicate quicker.

That too. Demographic changes are definitely scaring people. I don’t fear them at all myself. My last three generations that led to me were from people of different socioeconomic backgrounds marrying each other. That’s modernity.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 7:34:05am

And there goes Barr throwing Mueller under the bus as an excuse for the slow-walking of the Report release.

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makeitstop  May 1, 2019 • 7:35:48am

re: #274 Targetpractice

And there goes Barr throwing Mueller under the bus as an excuse for the slow-walking of the Report release.

Nice work, alleged AG. Piss him off even more.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Mueller’s summaries end up being tossed over WaPo’s transom in the next few days.

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Decatur Deb  May 1, 2019 • 7:35:50am

re: #270 Teukka

May Day this side of the pond…
Nordic Resistance Movement (NRM/NMR) in clashes with police and counterdemonstrators.

“What are you resisting?”

“Whadaya got?”

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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 7:37:41am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

It’s his way of engaging in plausible deniability. Why? Because if he read it, he’d know that Mueller was calling for impeachment and removal from office since those are the constitutional remedies provided under the US Constitution when the president violates his oath, breaks the law, and the DOJ rules prohibit indicting a sitting president.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 1, 2019 • 7:38:33am

Didn’t Ms. Graham state that she wasn’t going to read it a while ago? Or, was the statement about the unredacted version? Still, it’s a ridiculous position.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 7:42:26am

Those watching. Please let us know how the three candidates on the committee do.

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Patricia Kayden  May 1, 2019 • 7:43:13am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Wow! You have a famous cousin. Nice!

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 7:46:01am

Barr now has even more reason to quash any future Mueller appearance before Congress. He’s not only insisted Mueller passed up an offer to review Barr’s letter, but that he had no objections to the summaries in said letter.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 7:46:39am

re: #280 Patricia Kayden

Wow! You have a famous cousin. Nice!

Yep. His grandfather and my grandmother’s grandmother were cousins according to family lore. Probably my most famous cousin. I don’t have any Presidents in my line that I know of.

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makeitstop  May 1, 2019 • 7:49:43am

This is odd. Why would Barr say this?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 1, 2019 • 7:50:14am

WaPo has published the complete letter Mueller sent to Barr.

games-cdn.washingtonpost.com

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 7:51:10am

Barr now acting at Lindsey’s prompting to argue that Comey deserved to be fired.

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Sufficient unto the day...  May 1, 2019 • 7:51:23am

re: #283 makeitstop

I would go with “He’s really, REALLY bad at it”

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 7:52:17am

Barr is going down. Should have shut up about Trump being right to fire Comey, Bill because otherwise you never would have been on Trump’s radar.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 1, 2019 • 7:52:59am

Ugh, is this hearing just going to be Republicans lobbing stupid softballs at Barr for two hours?

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 7:54:37am

re: #288 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh, is this hearing just going to be Republicans lobbing stupid softballs at Barr for two hours?

It is, but the telling thing will be how much Barr struggles. His appearance before Nadler’s committee tomorrow will be far more grueling.

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rhuarc  May 1, 2019 • 7:54:39am

I had to turn that farce of a hearing off. Lindsey is a pathetic, ass-kissing traitor and Barr is not much better. But I’m even more disgusted at Democrats for their more than likely decorum that won’t do shit.

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Dave In Austin  May 1, 2019 • 7:55:18am
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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 7:56:48am
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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 7:57:25am
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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 8:00:19am

Barr walking a seriously thin line, trying to argue that an order to get Mueller off the case by raising a conflict of interest is in some way different than ordering his firing.

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 8:00:28am
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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 1, 2019 • 8:00:33am

re: #288 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh, is this hearing just going to be Republicans lobbing stupid softballs at Barr for two hours?

No, it will include questioning by Democratic members of the committee.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 1, 2019 • 8:01:45am
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steve_davis  May 1, 2019 • 8:03:17am

re: #38 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Fact check: Einstein was never part of the faculty at the university. He was a scholar at the Institute for Advanced Studies, which is affiliated with the university, and would occasionally give public lectures on campus.
en.wikipedia.org

Einstein’s home was not far from my dorm. The people who live there now have grown accustomed to total strangers knocking on the door and asking to visit Einstein’s home. It’s owned by the IAS.

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there was a story ages ago in Readers Digest about some guy watching a garbage truck picking up stuff from a street while he was a student at Princeton, and him seeing some loitering old guy in a sweatshirt walking around back behind the truck. “Better get a move on, old timer,” the guy thought, worried he might be fired for malingering instead of picking up garbage. And then it dawned on him that the old homeless looking guy was Albert Einstein.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 8:03:26am

So I was wrong, the GOP’s tactic for today seems to be to change the subject to Hillary.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:04:24am

re: #299 Targetpractice

So I was wrong, the GOP’s tactic for today seems to be to change the subject to Hillary.

Her re-election campaign is doomed.

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Jay C  May 1, 2019 • 8:04:53am

re: #297 The Vicious Babushka

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Does “off the rails” mean that the GOP’s strategy - to turn the hearing into a minstrel-show “indictment” of “biased FBI culture” and “investigate the investigators” isn;t working?

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 8:05:05am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 1, 2019 • 8:06:00am

re: #295 jaunte

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 8:06:01am

re: #302 jaunte

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As well as asking why Mueller didn’t go after Hillary and the FBI.

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Dave In Austin  May 1, 2019 • 8:07:11am

Fucker is sucking his teeth

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 8:07:33am
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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:08:02am

This crap only works on right wing partisans.

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Interesting Times  May 1, 2019 • 8:08:27am

Can’t watch the hearings right now - have any Dems actually had a chance to ask questions yet?

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 8:09:05am

re: #308 Interesting Times

Can’t watch the hearings right now - have any Dems actually had a chance to ask questions yet?

Feinstein is the only one so far. And she got Barr to admit that there doesn’t need to be an underlying crime to be charged with obstruction of justice.

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 8:09:12am
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Barefoot Grin  May 1, 2019 • 8:09:13am

re: #294 Targetpractice

Barr walking a seriously thin line, trying to argue that an order to get Mueller off the case by raising a conflict of interest is in some way different than ordering his firing.

The lawyer pundits I’ve read and listened to suggested that this is exactly what a smart lawyer like Barr would do—walk that thin line without ever unambiguously crossing it.

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Citizen K  May 1, 2019 • 8:09:22am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

This crap only works on right wing partisans.

Not only on right wing partisans. It works like gangbusters on complicit media too, which is the real problem.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:09:52am

re: #312 Citizen K

Not only on right wing partisans. It works like gangbusters on complicit media too, which is the real problem.

True.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 8:12:50am

Barr weaving and dodging on why he committed perjury.

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 8:13:16am
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gocart mozart  May 1, 2019 • 8:13:43am
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Teukka  May 1, 2019 • 8:15:14am

Scrolling down the thread after a nom store run…
So TL;DR is GOP is basically beyond the point of either caring or being able to perceive that their scam is coming apart at the seams?

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 8:16:16am

Leahy has Barr treed, presenting examples of how Trump attempted to have the investigation shut down, despite Barr’s insistence that Trump “fully cooperated.”

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Citizen K  May 1, 2019 • 8:17:26am

re: #317 Teukka

Scrolling down the thread after a nom store run…
So TL;DR is GOP is basically beyond the point of either caring or being able to perceive that their scam is coming apart at the seams?

They’re banking on the media buying their obfuscations and blame throwing enough to convince voters into that mealy grey area of ‘both sides same thing’. Which is sadly a good bet to make still.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:17:45am

re: #315 jaunte

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When Fat Tony said he wanted to take out Little Johnny, he meant he wanted Mikey Muscles to take him out for Pizza at Smiling Sal’s pizza restaurant in Little Italy.

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 8:18:27am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

You raise eminently reasonable doubts!

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 8:19:50am

Cornyn moving the discussion to “whataboutism” regarding Obama and Russia.

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Interesting Times  May 1, 2019 • 8:20:11am

re: #317 Teukka

Scrolling down the thread after a nom store run…
So TL;DR is GOP is basically beyond the point of either caring or being able to perceive that their scam is coming apart at the seams?

In the end, everything will come down to:

1) how successful GOPer voter suppression/Russian ratfuckery manages to be in 2020
2) Whether the majority of white voters decide they hate brown people more than they love America

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Teukka  May 1, 2019 • 8:20:45am

re: #319 Citizen K

They’re banking on the media buying their obfuscations and blame throwing enough to convince voters into that mealy grey area of ‘both sides same thing’. Which is sadly a good bet to make still.

So basically, this is appropriate soundtrack to the spectacle?

Yakety Sax 1 Hour

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Eventual Carrion  May 1, 2019 • 8:21:01am

re: #295 jaunte

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“It depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.”

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Belafon  May 1, 2019 • 8:21:19am

re: #323 Interesting Times

In the end, everything will come down to:

1) how successful GOPer voter suppression/Russian ratfuckery manages to be in 2020
2) Whether the majority of white voters decide they hate brown people more than they love America

So, basically every other US election except 1936?

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Citizen K  May 1, 2019 • 8:21:19am

re: #324 Teukka

So basically, this is appropriate soundtrack to the spectacle?

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Video

When is that ever not appropriate in regards to the GOP?

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:21:58am

re: #321 jaunte

You raise eminently reasonable doubts!

Fat Tony Chief Wiggum—What’s A Truck

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 8:23:39am

Thing to bear in mind:

While this shitshow is being run by the GOP today, Feinstein and Leahy have already had Barr stumbling and mumbling non-answers. And we haven’t had Harris up to grill him yet.

It’s no wonder Barr tried to back out of tomorrow’s hearing in the House.

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Teukka  May 1, 2019 • 8:24:08am

re: #327 Citizen K

When is that ever not appropriate in regards to the GOP?

Trudat.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:25:06am

re: #329 Targetpractice

Thing to bear in mind:

While this shitshow is being run by the GOP today, Feinstein and Leahy have already had Barr stumbling and mumbling non-answers. And we haven’t had Harris up to grill him yet.

It’s no wonder Barr tried to back out of tomorrow’s hearing in the House.

Harris, Klobuchar, and Booker. I think will all do a great job.

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gocart mozart  May 1, 2019 • 8:28:32am

Better link. You can scroll past the GOP liars

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Interesting Times  May 1, 2019 • 8:28:37am

re: #326 Belafon

So, basically every other US election except 1936?

Er…Russian interference of the type we’re seeing now hasn’t been around that long (thanks to social media, information warfare is infinitely easier than it used to be).

Also, the real white-people-go-GOPer didn’t become a thing until after the Civil Rights Act/southern strategy.

What we’re seeing now is just how far some voters are willing to plunge into the abyss, like the I’d rather be Russian than a Democrat numbskulls. It’s an open question how many white voters they represent.

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Citizen K  May 1, 2019 • 8:28:50am
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Belafon  May 1, 2019 • 8:31:38am

re: #333 Interesting Times

I lumped the Russian stuff into the GOP suppression. I realize that particular tactic new, but since the 70s, Republicans have been doing everything they can to keep Democrats from voting. It’s alwasy been conservative tactics.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:32:11am

re: #333 Interesting Times

Er…Russian interference of the type we’re seeing now hasn’t been around that long (thanks to social media, information warfare is infinitely easier than it used to be).

Also, the real white-people-go-GOPer didn’t become a thing until after the Civil Rights Act/southern strategy.

What we’re seeing now is just how far some voters are willing to plunge into the abyss, like the I’d rather be Russian than a Democrat numbskulls. It’s an open question how many white voters they represent.

Yeah Landon, Wilkie, Dewey, Ike, and Nixon in 1960 weren’t race baiters. FWIW last election the Dems won the white male vote was 1964. It’s why and yeah I’m a white guy, I really don’t care that white guys aren’t voting for us. We can win without us. Would I like my peers to be more enlightened? Sure I would but unlike Bernie, I don’t think the Dems are at fault for why white guys favor the GOP over the Dems.

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Belafon  May 1, 2019 • 8:32:35am

re: #334 Citizen K

You do realize you’ll now be cited as a reason the media can’t use the word liar?

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:32:57am

What the GOP has done all my life is us versus them politics. Whether it was the crap pulled on Dukakis or the recent shit on HRC.

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 8:34:20am
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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:34:33am

And I’m seeing it locally here. A big local issue across the border in West Virginia is the Rockwool issue. I won’t get too specific but basically it’s your classic environmental issue and the allies of the manufacturer are pulling out the scary environmentalist and outsider card to go after people like my brother who may not be WV natives but will be moving to the community.

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Belafon  May 1, 2019 • 8:34:43am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

What the GOP has done all my life is us versus them politics. Whether it was the crap pulled on Dukakis or the recent shit on HRC.

I’m sorry, I was a bit confusing. I pretty much associated those suppression tactics with white male conservatives, which, while part of the GOP now, were part of the Democratic party earlier. They changed their name, but they’re still the same people.

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 8:35:07am

Traitors and thieves.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:35:07am

re: #339 jaunte

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Competent Trumpism is a scary thought.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:35:26am

re: #341 Belafon

I’m sorry, I was a bit confusing. I pretty much associated those suppression tactics with white male conservatives, which, while part of the GOP now, were part of the Democratic party earlier. They changed their name, but they’re still the same people.

Oh yeah I don’t disagree.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 8:35:59am

Lee now spending his time attacking Democrats for the very sort of behavior that his colleagues have engaged in when attacking Hillary Clinton.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:36:34am

re: #342 jaunte

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Traitors and thieves.

Oh I dunno Bill that Russian operatives were offering them dirt on HRC. Tom Downey turned in a video sent to him that had Bush preparing for the debate and then recused himself from Gore’s campaign. But I know, you’re from the Reagan administration mold so professional ethics are something you struggle with deeply.

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Barefoot Grin  May 1, 2019 • 8:36:41am

re: #334 Citizen K

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I can tell Nicole why. I’ve been scouring some twitter threads, such as one by Jeffrey Toobin on Barr’s mendacity and Mueller’s anger—the Trumperoids are swarming: “Mueller said that the MEDIA was (sic) causing confusion, that’s what he was mad about.” or “Mueller said he had no problems with Barr’s summary.” or “why didn’t Mueller write a summary?” etc., etc. The bubble is impenetrable.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:36:59am

re: #345 Targetpractice

Lee now spending his time attacking Democrats for the very sort of behavior that his colleagues have engaged in when attacking Hillary Clinton.

If Ted Cruz didn’t exist, Mike Lee would be the Senate’s most self-righteous asshole.

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 8:41:17am
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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 8:42:36am
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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 8:43:53am

re: #349 jaunte

So, the next Democrat should ask how and why the GOP platform went from being pro-Ukrainian to pro-Russian the moment Trump got the nomination…. because there’s no quid without a pro and quo.

That was a total about face on a major foreign policy matter, and no one even blinked among the GOP. It just happened.

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Teukka  May 1, 2019 • 8:45:01am

Sanity / Comical relief:

Could also be used as a prank on cab companies that pick up people at the airport.
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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:45:45am

re: #351 lawhawk

So, the next Democrat should ask how and why the GOP platform went from being pro-Ukrainian to pro-Russian the moment Trump got the nomination…. because there’s no quid without a pro and quo.

That was a total about face on a major foreign policy matter, and no one even blinked among the GOP. It just happened.

Yep. They fucking sold out the Ukrainians.

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 8:49:20am
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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 8:53:43am

So, at the end of the quarter, Barr is already starting to develop a sheen of flop sweat as the efforts by the committee’s Repub majority to save his ass by changing the topic to Hillary haven’t dissuaded committee Dems from repeatedly beating him over the head with his own lies.

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sagehen  May 1, 2019 • 8:54:11am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

What the GOP has done all my life is us versus them politics. Whether it was the crap pulled on Dukakis or the recent shit on HRC.

I’m old enough that I can’t say “all my life” about such things.

I remember when the GOP had a great many admirable policy positions, honorable officials, etc. There was always a wingnut faction, but they were just one of the factions. It makes me cry to realize what we lost.

Earl Warren was a Republican governor, well within the Republican mainstream of his time. The first woman ever elected to Senate in her own name (not a widow filling hub’s seat) was the Republican Margaret Chase Smith of Maine — best known for being the first Senator to speak out against the McCarthy hearings. Pete McClosky. Gerald Ford. Nelson Rockefeller. Jacob Javits.

T Roosevelt and Eisenhower are spinning in their graves that such Republicans no longer exist.

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makeitstop  May 1, 2019 • 8:54:22am

Heh

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:55:41am

re: #356 sagehen

I’m old enough that I can’t say “all my life” about such things.

I remember when the GOP had a great many admirable policy positions, honorable officials, etc. There was always a wing nut faction, but they were just one of the factions. It makes me cry to realize what we lost.

Earl Warren was a Republican governor, well within the Republican mainstream of his time. The first woman ever elected to Senate in her own name (not a widow filling hub’s seat) was the Republican Margaret Chase Smith of Maine — best known for being the first Senator to speak out against the McCarthy hearings. Pete McClosky. Gerald Ford. Nelson Rockefeller. Jacob Javits.

T Roosevelt and Eisenhower are spinning in their graves that such Republicans no longer exist.

That’s why it frustrates me. Those people you speak of were honorable public servants.

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 8:56:34am

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Honor; what a concept.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 8:56:49am
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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 8:57:46am
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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 8:58:17am

Again, thing to bear in mind: None of the ‘20 hopefuls have had their chance to question Barr, the guys up so far are the “Old Line” committee Dems who could be cut in half to count the rings. And yet they’ve got Barr sputtering and excuse-making already.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:58:20am

re: #359 jaunte

Honor; what a concept.

Country above party and president. Fewer and fewer elected Republicans practice that.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 1, 2019 • 8:58:40am

re: #342 jaunte

Asked why the Trump campaign failed to report Russia’s overtures to the FBI, Barr responds: “What would they report to the FBI?”

The AG saying something like this is….amazeballs.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:58:58am

re: #362 Targetpractice

Again, thing to bear in mind: None of the ‘20 hopefuls have had their chance to question Barr, the guys up so far are the “Old Line” committee Dems who could be cut in half to count the rings. And yet they’ve got Barr sputtering and excuse-making already.

Oh yes, I trust that those three will do a great job. They greatly impressed me with Kavanaugh.

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DangerMan  May 1, 2019 • 8:59:43am

re: #352 Teukka

Sanity / Comical relief:

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this was always a fave of mine

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 8:59:44am

re: #361 jaunte

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Yep Barr has from the start shown he serves not the interests of the United States but Donald Trump.

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 9:00:18am
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makeitstop  May 1, 2019 • 9:00:52am

I’m starting to agree with Rick Wilson’s take on all of this - until one of these clowns is thrown in jail, things will keep going just the way they are.

Throw Mnuchin in the slammer for contempt of Congress. That’s the only thing that’ll get people’s attention.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 9:01:11am

This is exactly why you need impeachment. This cannot happen again.

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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 9:01:47am

re: #364 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The AG saying something like this is….amazeballs.

When Al Gore got info he wasn’t supposed to during the campaign, he reported it to the FBI. Gore’s campaign received a copy of GWB’s debate prep book, which was stolen from GWB’s campaign.

That’s what you’re supposed to do.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 9:02:50am

re: #369 makeitstop

I’m starting to agree with Rick Wilson’s take on all of this - until one of these clowns is thrown in jail, things will keep going just the way they are.

Throw Mnuchin in the slammer for contempt of Congress. That’s the only thing that’ll get people’s attention.

And I’m believing that there are Never-Trumpers like him that are sincere and not just mad because Trump makes their brand look bad. There were plenty of people on the German right who were disgusted by Nazism. It doesn’t mean I want Rick Wilson on policy anywhere but it does mean I could deal with people like him as the opposition to a President Biden/Harris/etc.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 9:03:42am

re: #371 lawhawk

When Al Gore got info he wasn’t supposed to during the campaign, he reported it to the FBI. Gore’s campaign received a copy of GWB’s debate prep book, which was stolen from GWB’s campaign.

That’s what you’re supposed to do.

And Downey further recused himself from campaign prep activities for Gore so there wouldn’t be so much as the appearance of improper conduct..

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 1, 2019 • 9:06:12am

re: #371 lawhawk

When Al Gore got info he wasn’t supposed to during the campaign, he reported it to the FBI. Gore’s campaign received a copy of GWB’s debate prep book, which was stolen from GWB’s campaign.

That’s what you’re supposed to do.

As a person (as AG) who has taken an oath to the constitution he shouldn’t have been quite so clueless. This should have clued him in that reporting it is the correct answer.

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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 9:06:37am
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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 9:06:39am
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DangerMan  May 1, 2019 • 9:07:49am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

Country above party and president. Fewer and fewer elected Republicans practice that.

dont make me pull out my three favorite quotes…ok i will:

The complicated business of politics is to negotiate agreements between groups with different interests with the object of finding a common way forward.

At present only one side buys into this premise, while the other does not market any notion of democratic participatory ‘politics’ but rather power, domination, and a force of will that is authoritarian and dictatorial.
- Skeptical inquirer article 180331, adapted

Politics is no longer a clash of value systems, each of which is in some way valid; a competition between basically well-intentioned people who see the world differently.

It has become, not even a conflict of interests, but instead a tribal, degenerative, brutal struggle for office in which ONE side with righteous indignation believes only the other is and can be capable of behaving despicably.
- yes that David Brooks, NYT 031001

We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.
- James Baldwin

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DangerMan  May 1, 2019 • 9:08:25am

re: #364 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The AG saying something like this is….amazeballs.

they should stop calling him the AG and just say “as trump’s lawyer….”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 1, 2019 • 9:09:11am

re: #371 lawhawk

When Al Gore got info he wasn’t supposed to during the campaign, he reported it to the FBI. Gore’s campaign received a copy of GWB’s debate prep book, which was stolen from GWB’s campaign.

That’s what you’re supposed to do.

Interesting analogy. When someone provided PepsiCola with the purported formula for Coke (a trade secret) they didn’t run with it, they announced the breach and said, woah, not going there. Again, it’s common sense to ‘tell the authorities’ when you come up with information illegally. CYA, at the least.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 1, 2019 • 9:09:34am

It’s so much more pleasant watching this hearing bypassing Republican exchanges.
Others are watching the entire testimony and will report on what is happening, but I don’t have to — and it’s far better this way. I do appreciate those lizards who are subjecting themselves to the dishonesty spewed by Republican Senators to inform us, because they are sparing me from that torture.

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DangerMan  May 1, 2019 • 9:10:28am

re: #342 jaunte

Barr doesn’t seem to think it’s troubling that Russia was trying to infiltrate the Trump campaign. Asked why the Trump campaign failed to report Russia’s overtures to the FBI, Barr responds: “What would they report to the FBI?”

you report what happened

it’s the FBI’s job to figure out what it means, if anything

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 1, 2019 • 9:10:41am

Can we say Barr is the worst AG ever?

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DangerMan  May 1, 2019 • 9:12:18am

re: #376 jaunte

Barr attempted to retroactively insert a non-obstructive pretext for Trump’s obstruction.

His efforts to serve as a criminal president’s defense attorney instead of the Attorney General is the most grave corruption by an AG since Watergate.

that pretty much everyone sees this and is calling it out in real time - heck, the hearing has only just begun - is a bit…cautiously heartening

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 9:12:46am

re: #382 Eclectic Cyborg

Can we say Barr is the worst AG ever?

Think that title still rests with John Mitchell, but he’s certainly working his way up the ranks.

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DangerMan  May 1, 2019 • 9:13:48am

re: #376 jaunte

Justin Fishel
✔
@JustinFishelABC
Attorney General Barr defends Trump against obstruction by arguing there is a difference between directing McGhan for “fire” Mueller and telling him he should be “removed for conflict.” abcn.ws @jonkarl

there is no difference if your intention is to make up some ‘conflict’ after the fact

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 9:14:06am

re: #383 DangerMan

that pretty much everyone sees this and is calling it out in real time - heck, the hearing has only just begun - is a bit…cautiously heartening

As I noted upthread, this is happening with the GOP in control and very sympathetic to his efforts to save Donny’s ass.

Tomorrow the DNC will be running things in the House. I don’t think Nadler’s gonna spend his opening statement opining about how evil the Clinton campaign was…

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 1, 2019 • 9:14:54am

re: #386 Targetpractice

As I noted upthread, this is happening with the GOP in control and very sympathetic to his efforts to save Donny’s ass.

Tomorrow the DNC will be running things in the House. I don’t think Nadler’s gonna spend his opening statement opining about how evil the Clinton campaign was…

It would be funny, however if he opened like that for a few minutes, just to throw Barr off before nailing him to the wall.

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makeitstop  May 1, 2019 • 9:16:51am

re: #384 Targetpractice

Think that title still rests with John Mitchell, but he’s certainly working his way up the ranks.

Ashcroft was pretty bad, too.

Barr is, however, the most blatantly corrupt IMO.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 9:21:16am

re: #388 makeitstop

Ashcroft was pretty bad, too.

Barr is, however, the most blatantly corrupt IMO.

Barr is the sort of man that Donny truly wishes he had running the DOJ back in ‘17, who could have put the kibosh on the whole mess by ending the FBI investigation and declaring aloud that he was totally innocent.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 1, 2019 • 9:22:25am

re: #389 Targetpractice

My God. Does that mean that, in some twisted way, we should be kind of thankful for Jeff Sessions and his recusal?

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 1, 2019 • 9:23:34am

They should have hauled Barr off in cuffs the moment this “hearing” was adjourned. What a joke.

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 9:25:22am
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Teukka  May 1, 2019 • 9:28:08am

HA.

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Teukka  May 1, 2019 • 9:30:55am

re: #393 Teukka

Downthread in that tweet:

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 9:31:24am

re: #388 makeitstop

Ashcroft was pretty bad, too.

Barr is, however, the most blatantly corrupt IMO.

Ashcroft had limits. I would say Gonzales was the worst Bush AG.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 1, 2019 • 9:32:05am

If the media was not completely complicit in their bias and “bothsiderism” against actual honest reporting and journalism the GOP would not be getting away with this, and probably would not be trying this approach at all.

In the current climate the GOP is showing again and again that the rot is root deep and not just Trump at the top of the tree.

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Teukka  May 1, 2019 • 9:32:07am

Oopsie.

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makeitstop  May 1, 2019 • 9:34:06am
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Barefoot Grin  May 1, 2019 • 9:35:39am

re: #390 Eclectic Cyborg

My God. Does that mean that, in some twisted way, we should be kind of thankful for Jeff Sessions and his recusal?

He’s still a racist elf, but yeah.

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jaunte  May 1, 2019 • 9:38:42am
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GlutenFreeJesus  May 1, 2019 • 9:39:01am

re: #382 Eclectic Cyborg

Can we say Barr is the worst AG ever?

Well he hasn’t been hauled off to jail like Nixon’s AG. Yet.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 1, 2019 • 9:40:37am

re: #362 Targetpractice

Again, thing to bear in mind: None of the ‘20 hopefuls have had their chance to question Barr, the guys up so far are the “Old Line” committee Dems who could be cut in half to count the rings. And yet they’ve got Barr sputtering and excuse-making already.

I may not want one of the older candidates as President, but age is no bar to a Senate career. In fact, their experience may be why they’re asking good questions. Had you considered that?

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Jay C  May 1, 2019 • 9:41:14am

Just read somewhere that AG Barr has decided NOT to appear at tomorrow’s House Judiciary Committee hearing.

And if I were Jerry Nadler, I would have a subpoena for him already typed up and ready to serve…..

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The Vicious Babushka  May 1, 2019 • 9:41:44am

PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX. ON. A. DISTANT. GALAXY.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 9:41:57am

re: #400 jaunte

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That’s something that has been brought up already and will likely be brought up several more times before this is all over, that Barr insisted the OLC had no bearing on Mueller’s decision when the fact is that a huge chunk of text is dedicated to laying out how Mueller would not indict Trump because the OLC would preclude him a “day in court.”

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The Vicious Babushka  May 1, 2019 • 9:42:34am

It’s Flop Sweat Time

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 9:43:13am

re: #404 The Vicious Babushka

PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX. ON. A. DISTANT. GALAXY.

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Read about Watergate or just read for once period.

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Barefoot Grin  May 1, 2019 • 9:45:45am

re: #404 The Vicious Babushka

PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX. ON. A. DISTANT. GALAXY.

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This is the kind of logic I used when I got busted for smoking pot (someone “narc”ed to my parents) and I said, “but when you smoke pot you get red eyes (visine in pocket) and the munchies, and I’ve actually lost weight!”

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Hecuba's daughter  May 1, 2019 • 9:46:05am

re: #392 jaunte

If they care about the country so much, why aren’t 20 prominent Republicans from the imaginary “Reasonable” wing of the party primarying the shit out of President Stupid instead of kibitzing about how Democrats aren’t cleaning up their fucking mess the right way?

During Richard Lugar’s brief 1996 run for the Republican nomination for the Presidency, he made the naive statement that he did not believe there was a 20 million dollar entry fee to run for the office. It’s difficult to get publicity and airtime if you are not personally wealthy or you don’t have a serious base who will support you or you don’t have a charismatic presence; if you hold a political office, you may be sacrificing that position for a run that cannot succeed.

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lawhawk  May 1, 2019 • 9:46:39am

Anyone who knew Barr’s history knew that he’d take this route when he was getting confirmed. This shouldn’t surprise anyone.

But the Trump level dumbassery by Barr to set himself up for obstruction, perjury, and interfering with ongoing investigations? Yeah, that too was not surprising.

It’s like they knew they were doing it, and didn’t care that they’d get caught. They hope that no one else notices, or that the Senate GOP refuses to lift a finger to stop Trump’s rampant criminality.

What we have here is a constitutional crisis, and the Democrats better get their Arya on, because it’s time to take it to every last GOPer in the room. No mercy and no quarter. Give none because we all know the GOP would never give Democrats an inch if their positions were reversed. The GOP would already be in impeachment and removal in the Senate against Clinton if she faced a fraction of the allegations Trump did.

McConnell, McCarthy, and the GOP at large are backing Trump and defending the indefensible criminality.

Barr’s there to be Trump’s personal lawyer, not the head of the US DOJ. He makes it clear his position is to protect Trump, not administer justice and follow the Constitution.

His slip of the tongue was a truthism - the we he’s talking about is Trump. He’s defending Trump, not the Constitution.

Mueller called him out on it explicitly, and Barr’s in an AG Mitchell jam where indictments are coming. Barr might be sophisticated in the law, but he’s an awful liar and he can’t keep up with his own bulkshit.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 9:46:43am

re: #402 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

I may not want one of the older candidates as President, but age is no bar to a Senate career. In fact, their experience may be why they’re asking good questions. Had you considered that?

I didn’t mean their age as a negative, but instead was remarking upon an earlier thread of thought that the older Dems on the panel would follow “decorum” while those White House hopefuls on the committee would be the ones to watch.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 9:47:31am

re: #404 The Vicious Babushka

PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX. ON. A. DISTANT. GALAXY.

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This is the part in Watergate where the WH and its defenders started trying to argue that the DNC had no room to talk because “they’ve engaged in dirty tricks too!”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 1, 2019 • 9:47:57am

re: #388 makeitstop

Barr is, however, the most blatantly corrupt IMO.

Very much this.

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 9:48:21am

re: #409 Hecuba’s daughter

During Richard Lugar’s brief 1996 run for the Republican nomination for the Presidency, he made the naive statement that he did not believe there was a 20 million dollar entry fee to run for the office. It’s difficult to get publicity and airtime if you are not personally wealthy or you don’t have a serious base who will support you or you don’t have a charismatic presence; if you hold a political office, you may be sacrificing that position for a run that cannot succeed.

I don’t think any Republican could primary Trump but they could easily run against him and try to make it clear that not every Republican stands for the crap Trump does. Weld doesn’t have a shot to beat Trump, he can however I think prevent Trump from being unanimously renominated.

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Barefoot Grin  May 1, 2019 • 9:49:34am

Didn’t see it but I’m reading that Feinstein botched her questioning of Barr. Sigh.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 1, 2019 • 9:50:25am

NEVER FORGET TEH CRIMES OF OBAMA!!!1!!!

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 9:51:25am

re: #416 The Vicious Babushka

NEVER FORGET TEH CRIMES OF OBAMA!!!1!!!

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Imagine being such a pathetic hack that you freak out about this but not the shit Trump does. That’s Hannity. He has no principles. Just being Trump’s buddy.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 9:52:38am

re: #403 Jay C

Just read somewhere that AG Barr has decided NOT to appear at tomorrow’s House Judiciary Committee hearing.

And if I were Jerry Nadler, I would have a subpoena for him already typed up and ready to serve…..

So far the news seems to be that the House Judiciary committee just voted to allow an extra hour of questioning which will include committee counsel. Barr threatened not to show up for the hearing if that was allowed, so there’s speculation that he will do exactly that tomorrow.

And yes, if he goes down that path, the first thing Nadler should do after gaveling in the hearing is announce a subpoena for Barr’s testimony.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 1, 2019 • 9:52:55am

re: #411 Targetpractice

I didn’t mean their age as a negative, but instead was remarking upon an earlier thread of thought that the older Dems on the panel would follow “decorum” while those White House hopefuls on the committee would be the ones to watch.

The Repugs are a good example of what happens when decorum is abandoned. I hope not to see it here, by Democrats.

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Dr Lizardo  May 1, 2019 • 9:55:48am

re: #418 Targetpractice

the first thing Nadler should do after gaveling in the hearing is announce a subpoena for Barr’s testimony arrest.

FTFY.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 1, 2019 • 9:55:56am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

I don’t think any Republican could primary Trump but they could easily run against him and try to make it clear that not every Republican stands for the crap Trump does. Weld doesn’t have a shot to beat Trump, he can however I think prevent Trump from being unanimously renominated.

In the climate of ‘shit-for-brains is our deity’, I think running against him would be a fruitful fracturing of the gop. I approve.

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Targetpractice  May 1, 2019 • 9:56:19am

Oh, and in case anybody was unclear how the media would respond, despite Maddow showing past instances where Congressional counsel has questioned witnesses at public hearings, the press are presenting Nadler’s move as “unprecedented.”

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HappyWarrior  May 1, 2019 • 9:57:08am

re: #421 Colère Tueur de Lapin

In the climate of ‘shit-for-brains is our deity’, I think running against him would be a fruitful fracturing of the gop. I approve.

Weld should know that he has no future after this. Go after Trump full speed ahead. TBH I hope Larry Hogan runs too. And unlike Hogan, he’s run for office in the age of Trump.

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Eventual Carrion  May 1, 2019 • 10:12:01am

re: #388 makeitstop

Ashcroft was pretty bad, too.

Barr is, however, the most blatantly corrupt IMO.

Good ol’ “Yeah I lost an election to a dead person” Ashcroft

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Old Liberal  May 1, 2019 • 10:29:24am

re: #356 sagehen

I’m old enough that I can’t say “all my life” about such things.

I remember when the GOP had a great many admirable policy positions, honorable officials, etc. There was always a wingnut faction, but they were just one of the factions. It makes me cry to realize what we lost.

Earl Warren was a Republican governor, well within the Republican mainstream of his time. The first woman ever elected to Senate in her own name (not a widow filling hub’s seat) was the Republican Margaret Chase Smith of Maine — best known for being the first Senator to speak out against the McCarthy hearings. Pete McClosky. Gerald Ford. Nelson Rockefeller. Jacob Javits.

T Roosevelt and Eisenhower are spinning in their graves that such Republicans no longer exist.

I see your point but these assholes always opposed social security Medicare new deal equal society. Being reasonable while wrong is still wrong.


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