The Bob Cesca Podcast: Busted Bullsh*t Detector

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Busted Bullsh*t Detector — [Explicit Content] Everybody hates Kyrsten Sinema. The infrastructure negotiations. What’s in the $3.5 trillion bill? CNBC host doesn’t know the difference between Ireland and Scotland. Kristi Noem’s alleged affair with Corey Lewandowski. Lewandowski accused of sexual assault. YouTube bans all anti-vax content. Joe Rogan is deeply confused. Children and masks. With Jody Hamilton and David TRex Ferrguson, and music by Dominic Romano & Michael Dayvid and Elijah Bone. And more!

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309 comments
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 4:46:58pm

Still getting this when I try to visit Wikipedia and some other common sites:

And I just relaunched Chrome to get the most recent update.

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austin_blue  Sep 30, 2021 • 4:47:24pm

Cory and Kristi made the beast w/ two backs?

Why am I not surprised?

I still want the dealings she has done in re: to her daughter exposed.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Sep 30, 2021 • 4:50:18pm

Check the cert and see if it’s actually Wikipedia’s

It should look like that.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2021 • 4:51:08pm
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 30, 2021 • 4:52:12pm

re: #1 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Check your computer’s clock. Is the time/date setting wrong?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 4:54:18pm

re: #5 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Clock is good.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 30, 2021 • 4:54:40pm

Idiot anti-maskers.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 30, 2021 • 4:54:58pm

I’m not crying, you’re crying!

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 30, 2021 • 4:55:04pm

re: #6 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Do other browsers work properly?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 4:56:50pm

re: #9 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Do other browsers work properly?

Safari gets to wikipedia just fine. It’s Chrome that is complaining.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 30, 2021 • 4:58:03pm

re: #10 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Have you deleted cookies and browser cache in Chrome?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:01:21pm

re: #11 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Have you deleted cookies and browser cache in Chrome?

Not yet.

Chrome complains about the cert:

Firefox is fine with the cert.

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:07:01pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:07:43pm

It’s not just Wikipedia, it is some other sites too.

Firefox is fine with the cert.
Safari flags the site and asks if I wish to proceed.
Chrome won’t even let me get that far.

I have no clue what’s up.

Did the cache clearing on Chrome. Deleted the wikipedia cookies. The clock is fine. Latest version of Chrome.

Sigh…

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sagehen  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:08:30pm

So they’re voting on the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill (maybe Nancy’s first loss?)

Hey, I have a thought.

If the progressive caucus holds firm and doesn’t vote for it, what’s the over/under on McCarthy releasing X number of his caucus to make up the numbers so it passes anyway?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:11:05pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:12:21pm
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Dangerman  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:17:34pm

Not an active case at all
Totally appropriate

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:18:05pm

re: #12 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Not yet.

Chrome complains about the cert:

[Embedded content]

Firefox is fine with the cert.

Weird… “expired root”

The certificate in that chain to the root expires in 2025 and the root in 2035.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:19:17pm

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:24:02pm

re: #191 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Why is Chrome not letting me view Wikipedia, claiming a security error?

Anyone else get that?

When that happens to me, it’s always a url that starts with https:// but should be http://

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A Cranky One  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:25:36pm

re: #20 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

If you hear a knock on your door and see a figure carrying a scythe, don’t answer.

Unless the figure is wearing a Trilby. Then it’s okay.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:29:53pm

re: #7 Patricia Kayden

Idiot anti-maskers.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:30:39pm
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jaunte  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:31:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:37:54pm

re: #23 A Cranky One

If you hear a knock on your door and see a figure carrying a scythe, don’t answer.

Unless the figure is wearing a Trilby. Then it’s okay.

Or offer full size Snickers.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:39:43pm

re: #22 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

When that happens to me, it’s always a url that starts with https:// but should be http://

Unfortunately in Chrome when I try to use the plain http the same issue occurs.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:46:19pm
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jaunte  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:47:47pm

re: #23 A Cranky One

It might be me.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:48:28pm

Jon Stewart’s new show starts tonight. Not sure I’ll watch because I have a feeling it might just piss me off.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:51:08pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Jon Stewart’s new show starts tonight. Not sure I’ll watch because I have a feeling it might just piss me off.

What show?

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:52:01pm

re: #32 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2021 • 5:55:08pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

Thank you!

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mmmirele  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:09:07pm

Fight! Fight! The American Jesuits are going after Eternal Word Television Network, home of all sorts of anti-Pope Francis nutbars.

Pope Francis made headlines last week when he criticized those who attack his papacy in the media, calling the attacks “the work of the devil.” The comment was widely interpreted to be a reference to EWTN, the largest Catholic television network in the world, which has given a platform to some of the pope’s most vocal English-speaking critics.

*sniiiiiip*

Mother Angelica’s legacy at EWTN has been ensured by a cadre of wealthy conservative donors, as National Catholic Reporter editor in chief Heidi Schlumpf documented in a 2019 investigative series about EWTN, but it continues most visibly through Mother Angelica’s protégé and biographer, EWTN anchor Raymond Arroyo, who hosts the weekly show “The World Over.”He also appears regularly on Laura Ingraham’s Fox News show, occasionally filling in as host.

Mr. Arroyo’s news commentary, like Mother Angelica’s, is critical of any “liberal” elements of the church and is often presented as the viewpoint of a “true” Catholic, delivered with much of the same snark Mother Angelica was lauded for by her fans. In a pontificate focused on implementing the decisions of Vatican II and one that has often prioritized the pastoral and evangelical over the doctrinal, Mr. Arroyo’s antipathy has, unsurprisingly, centered on Pope Francis.

Mr. Arroyo’s recurring guests on the show have included prominent Francis critics, including Cardinal Raymond Burke, who co-signed a list of “dubia” about Pope Francis’ openness to allowing divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion in some cases, and Cardinal Gerhard Müller, the former head of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who was not renewed for another term by Pope Francis in 2017. Two years later, Cardinal Müller published a “manifesto of faith” in the EWTN-owned Catholic News Agency and other outlets that have been critical of the pope, arguing against Francis’ teaching on Communion for the divorced and remarried.

In 2018, the former apostolic nuncio to the United States, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, released a (since largely discredited) bombshell document, published by Catholic News Agency and other media outlets critical of Pope Francis, alleging that the pope had mishandled abuse by former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick and calling on the pope to resign. Soon after, Cardinal Müller appeared on Mr. Arroyo’s show, urging the pope to “reconcile” with Archbishop Viganò.

Other guests on Mr. Arroyo’s show have included Joseph Shaw, the president of the U.K. Latin Mass Society, who signed a “formal correction” of the pope concerning his teachings on Communion for the divorced and remarried, and Alexander Tschugguel, who stole indigenous Amazonian statues of pregnant women during the Amazon synod and threw them into the Tiber River, falsely alleging they were Andean idols.

americamagazine.org

More before and after, obviously. And of course the Jesuits are going to protect “their Pope.” That said, EWTN is crazycakes.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:10:10pm

re: #29 Dread Pirate Ron

No chute.

RIP, little plastic dude.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:17:25pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:17:35pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:28:38pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

No chute.

RIP, little plastic dude.

He died quicker than the plastic soldiers I went through as a kid. I could have a plastic Arlington

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JOE 🥓  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:38:10pm

Up for auction..The Les Paul #1 Black Beauty.

Oh if I could hit the lotto…

reuters.com

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:45:29pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

I assume it will be a heapin’ helpin’ of BoTh SiDeS

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:46:54pm
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TedStriker  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:55:09pm

re: #42 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

I hope one or more of those kids these fucking assholes are bullying shoots back with a “at least I’m not eating horse paste while gasping for breath”…

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:55:37pm

Followup:

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:55:38pm
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plansbandc  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:58:04pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

He’s dead to me.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:58:39pm

re: #8 No Malarkey!

I’m not crying, you’re crying!

[Embedded content]

Just in case some of you didn’t actually cry:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Sep 30, 2021 • 6:59:35pm

“… “These are recordings that, among other things, show that as the National Park Police, that police force, was overwhelmed, they at one point had a number of their officers backed up inside of the Washington Monument for their own protection and that sort of extreme pressure on those police officers happened as early as 9:30 in the morning on the day of the Capitol attack,” Maddow explained.

“Now, as far as I know, we had not previously understood the Trump crowd on the mall and on the Capitol grounds as early as the 9:00 a.m. hour was already fighting with police to the point of overwhelming them,” she noted, playing clips from the recordings. …”

Rachel Maddow

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:03:50pm

Progressives: “We’re going to need at least a $10T bill to get all the president’s priorities passed.”

“Moderates: “Look, we can’t support a bill that large, even if it would be over a 10 year period.”

P: “Alright, we’re willing to bring it down to $6T.”

“M”: “Look, we’ll make a deal: Take all the ‘hard’ infrastructure out and wrap that up in a $1.5T bill that we can get Republicans to support, and we’ll pass the remaining $3.5T on a reconciliation vote.”

P: “Agreed, but only if both bills move forward at the same time.”

“M”: “Hey, we can’t do that, because the Repubs will oppose the ‘bipartisan’ bill unless it can move forward unhindered.”

P: “Okay, there’s no requirement that the reconciliation bill pass first before we vote on the ‘bipartisan’ bill.”

“M”: “Awesome, now pass the ‘bipartisan’ bill and we’ll talk about the reconciliation bill next year.”

P: “THAT WASN’T THE AGREEMENT!”

“M”: “Well I’m sorry, but we can’t talk about reconciliation until the ‘bipartisan’ bill signed. Also, we’re bringing down the price tag on the reconciliation bill down to $1.5T and we might not even support that.”

P: “FUCK THIS, WE WON’T VOTE FOR YOUR DAMNED ‘BIPARTISAN’ BILL!”

“M”: “You’re gonna cost us the election unless you do! PASS IT OR WE’RE GONNA BLAME YOU!”

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:16:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:16:16pm

re: #32 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What show?

It’s on Apple TV. I haven’t watched yet.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:16:25pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

If a genie gave Democrats three wishes they would negotiate it down to one, and then trade it in for something they think Republicans would like.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:23:15pm

Republicans don’t want their children to know this:

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:27:43pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:34:32pm
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Sherlock Hound  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:35:08pm

re: #54 jaunte

Conservatives haven’t changed. This would be considered a suitable diet for pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, if you’re poor. Conservatives have had recurrent fantasies about feeding poor people glop or sludge (think Joe Arpaio’s culinary “inventions”) to encourage them to be better people, or to simply starve.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:35:08pm

It’s so frustrating - why Chrome stops me from going to some websites.

Not all websites. Many websites are fine (like LGF.) Google’s own websites are fine.

But there are a smattering of websites I usually visit, such as Wikipedia, which now Chrome thinks is too dangerous for me to visit. The cert is rejected.

I’m wondering if some severs have been installed with software that expects something from my old iMac that it just can’t deliver?

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:36:24pm

re: #52 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

If a genie gave Democrats three wishes they would negotiate it down to one, and then trade it in for something they think Republicans would like.

The aggravating part is that we’re told by other Dems that if we decide to instead sit on that wish or (Zod forbid) use it for something that helps more than just a wealthy few, then we’re just helping the Republicans anyway so the only thing that can possibly do any “good” for us is to give the Republicans what they want.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:43:46pm

When I look at the Wikipedia cert in the OSX Keychain Access utility, said utility thinks the cert is fine.

But Chrome gives me the “expired” warning.

This is odd. I think something is wrong with Chrome. I’m using the latest version (for my OS version.)

Sigh…

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JOE 🥓  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:50:34pm

Nancy Pelosi bails on a vote for Biden’s bipartisan infrastructure bill as House progressives launch full revolt

Thanks to Manchin, Sinema and the seven assholes in the House.

businessinsider.com

Just as Criswell Bacon predicted. Boris and Natasha killed the bill for the Kochs and Mercers.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:56:07pm

I thought computers were supposed to make life easier.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 7:59:00pm

Could someone with a Mac open up their certificates list (in Keychain Access) and tell me what the Wikipedia cert is called? I thought it would be called “wikipedia”… but Chrome is telling me data about the cert (and that it is not valid) though I don’t have a cert called “wikipedia” in the list.

Does wikipedia use a third party?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:04:47pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:15:00pm

I hope the jury delivers some very generous damages

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retired cynic  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:18:22pm

re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

I hope the jury delivers some very generous damages

[Embedded content]

That’s Juanita Jean’s son that handled that case for the plaintiffs. Good on him, young feller.

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ckkatz  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:21:24pm

re: #57 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Chrome is apparently known for this problem.

A couple of areas that you may want to verify -
1. Third party extensions
A number reportedly have caused this issue.
“Check each extension one at a time by disabling it and then attempting to load the page. If one of your extensions seems to be triggering the error, you can then try uninstalling it completely.”

2. Anti-Virus software
Usually done by disabling the anti-virus software and the re-accessing the website through a forced refresh.

3. Change the DNS server.
Sometimes things are cached or corrupted on a dns server. Changing can help. (Make sure to record your setting before you change them.)

4. Other chrome setting, particularly privacy/security
I’m keeping this generic since it has been a while since I have looked at them.

5. Double check system time :)

6. Use Firefox until you figure this out? :)

Interestingly, I use firefox for most browsing and have lots of adblock and other privacy set up on it. However, when something demands adblock be off, I have my chrome settings for that. And use it instead.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:32:39pm

re: #66 ckkatz

Chrome is apparently known for this problem.

A couple of areas that you may want to verify -
1. Third party extensions
A number reportedly have caused this issue.
“Check each extension one at a time by disabling it and then attempting to load the page. If one of your extensions seems to be triggering the error, you can then try uninstalling it completely.”

2. Anti-Virus software
Usually done by disabling the anti-virus software and the re-accessing the website through a forced refresh.

3. Change the DNS server.
Sometimes things are cached or corrupted on a dns server. Changing can help. (Make sure to record your setting before you change them.)

4. Other chrome setting, particularly privacy/security
I’m keeping this generic since it has been a while since I have looked at them.

5. Double check system time :)

6. Use Firefox until you figure this out? :)

Interestingly, I use firefox for most browsing and have lots of adblock and other privacy set up on it. However, when something demands adblock be off, I have my chrome settings for that. And use it instead.

I was going to suggest 5.

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ckkatz  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:33:19pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

Thank you for posting this segment! It is new information.

But even more importantly, I fell asleep during the beginning of this segment during the tv show and missed the released call segments. I was kicking myself during the segment as it didn’t fully make sense. You made it easy to get caught up.

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darthstar  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:40:34pm

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:45:39pm
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ckkatz  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:46:13pm

re: #67 BlueSpotinAL

I was going to suggest 5.

About 20 years ago, I did a lot of network programming for security systems. And there are a lot of possible points of failure. Before even considering how badly the network errors are implemented and diagnostic messages written.

Just googling “Net::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID” brought back lots of memories and a very long checklist of possible problems.

The memories generally involved ordering the error possibility list on the basis of likelihood of each thing really being the problem. (Good rule of thumb - If no one else is having that problem, it’s not as likely to be causing your problem.)

Most amusing problem I had with a Federal agency I contracted with… They kept having server connectivity problems. The software and server configurations were very tightly controlled and changes well documented and reviewed.

Well except for the security group. They had a security program that you could change server configurations on the fly from a program screen. And they did. Without telling anyone. Until things other than what they were responsible for, stopped working. Which, for a while, happened about every day.

I patiently helped the agency network people debug each server issue. Eventually, the network folks realized that they had an administrative rather than technical issue.

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:51:35pm

re: #69 darthstar

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wrenchwench  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:53:37pm

re: #70 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Mr. w told me he was given a list of books in high school that were in the school library, but which they could NOT do a book report on. It became his reading list.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:53:50pm

No better time than now to change my suburban lifestyle for one more rugged and on-the-go.

The Worlds first *REAL* Electric Truck! - Everything You Need to Know!

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:57:07pm

re: #60 JOE 🥓

Nancy Pelosi bails on a vote for Biden’s bipartisan infrastructure bill as House progressives launch full revolt

Thanks to Manchin, Sinema and the seven assholes in the House.

businessinsider.com

Just as Criswell Bacon predicted. Boris and Natasha killed the bill for the Kochs and Mercers.

She’s still promising a vote tomorrow morning, but there’s no clear sign of where she’s going to get the votes. The progressive caucus held firm all day today and is likely going to be even less hospitable tomorrow to coercion. By contrast, there’s already “moderates” in the House who’ve begun to waver in their insistence upon the BIF moving forward before the BBA is brought to a vote. And with McCarthy whipping against the BIF, the idea of dozens of House Repubs saving this bill is remote, at least not without some backroom skullduggery.

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darthstar  Sep 30, 2021 • 8:59:48pm

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:14:51pm

re: #66 ckkatz

re: #67 BlueSpotinAL

Thanks. But I spotted part of the problem, I think.

One of the websites I was trying to access with Chrome said the root cert was expired.

So I go to Keychain Access, turn on the ability to look at expired certs, and sure enough it is expired.

Here’s the question though - how to delete this expired cert? Keychain Access only lets you delete non-root certs. When I check out the Apple Support pages, someone did post a command-line work around, but others warn that deleting root certs will mess up my Mac system.

Apparently the “System Roots” keychain is something that mere mortals should not mess with.

Now Chrome, if I turn off safe mode, will let me proceed to the blocked websites once I jump through their warning page. BUT CHROME WON’T LET ME PROCEED TO WIKIPEDIA IF WITH SAVE MODES TURNED OFF.

That’s just nuts.

I’m using Firefox to type this in, though Chrome works fine with LGF.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:15:49pm

re: #45 jaunte

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:20:18pm

re: #78 Belafon

[Embedded content]

I am more than willing to lay my taxes to help others. A majority of us are, actually. It’s sad you, Joe, think that people aren’t entitled to help.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:22:57pm

re: #77 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

If this is the Apple version of the OS having a list of all the root certs to check against, there should be a system update to fix this.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:24:22pm

And yes, in Chrome I turned off all my extensions but that didn’t make a difference.

I’m really puzzled as to why Chrome won’t let proceed to Wikipedia when it will let me proceed to other websites.

re: #80 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

Apple is no longer offering updates to my version of OSX.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:25:00pm

Saw this in my email:

I suspect a couple of things: The friend doesn’t know what the acquaintance actually died of or this whole post is fake.

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:25:35pm

Here’s my question for Pelosi and Schumer: If this is a “bipartisan” bill, then where are the Repubs to get it over the finish line? Shouldn’t they want this bill to pass as much as you do? If not, then how is it “bipartisan” if we’re the ones that are supposed to be provide the votes to get it to Biden’s desk?

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:26:42pm

re: #82 Belafon

Saw this in my email:

[Embedded content]

I suspect a couple of things: The friend doesn’t know what the acquaintance actually died of or this whole post is fake.

We’ve seen story after story, both in the news and on social media, of hospital workers dealing with anti-vaxxers who swear right up to the point they’re getting a plastic tube jammed down their throats that they don’t have COVID.

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gwangung  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:26:56pm

re: #82 Belafon

Saw this in my email:

[Embedded content]

I suspect a couple of things: The friend doesn’t know what the acquaintance actually died of or this whole post is fake.

Lot of folks are denying they had Covid up through the sedation for intubation….

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:27:05pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

Here’s my question for Pelosi and Schumer: If this is a “bipartisan” bill, then where are the Repubs to get it over the finish line? Shouldn’t they want this bill to pass as much as you do? If not, then how is it “bipartisan” if we’re the ones that are supposed to be provide the votes to get it to Biden’s desk?

Don’t you mean Manchin and the other Democrats that are sitting on their hands, not Pelosi and Schumer?

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:28:54pm

Pic my friend up in Steamboat Springs, CO took today.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:32:41pm

As near as I can tell, Firefox will ignore the base root cert (being expired) if the leaf certs (if I get that term correct) are ok.

That is the problem I have in Chrome, it appears. The System Root cert is expired even though the site-specific cert is not expired. Chrome (even with safe mode turned off) won’t ignore the expiry of the System Root cert in OSX, while Firefox (and Apple’s own Safari) will.

Which means Google must think they are going to be more secure than Apple for Apple platforms?

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:34:34pm

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:39:54pm

The only way I can get Chrome to allow me to proceed to Wikipedia is to, on my Mac Keychain, explicitly set the expired cert to “Always Trust”.

That works but I find it kind of scary. How do I know that some expired cert is being exploited by some nefarious website somewhere?

I don’t.

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:45:12pm

re: #86 Belafon

Don’t you mean Manchin and the other Democrats that are sitting on their hands, not Pelosi and Schumer?

No, I’m putting the focus squarely on them because they are the ones who’ve allowed this farce to go on as long as it has. It’s been nothing but “compromise” and empty promises since the spring, with Kevin and Mitch laughing the whole way. Pelosi has known for days that the progressive caucus opposed moving the BIF forward without a Senate vote on the BBBA. If there is a “rebellion,” it is because she has given progressives no other choice but to “rebel.”

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Citizen K  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:49:25pm

And apparently the asshole went on to brag on social media about getting away with it.

Because justice is a fucking lie in this country. It’s all about power and domination.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:56:27pm

re: #92 Citizen K

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And apparently the asshole went on to brag on social media about getting away with it.

Because justice is a fucking lie in this country. It’s all about power and domination.

White people still trying to keep Ruby Bridges out of the white school.

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Citizen K  Sep 30, 2021 • 9:58:35pm

re: #93 Belafon

White people still trying to keep Ruby Bridges out of the white school.

And in many cases are succeeding, because “CRT”.

Seems like the worst of us are running away with the battle for the soul of this country despite seemingly like there was hope in reach.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 30, 2021 • 10:04:12pm

Amazing— David Brooks is supportive of the total Biden infrastructure agenda:

Read again Robert Kagan’s foreboding Washington Post essay on how close we are to a democratic disaster. He’s talking about a group of people so enraged by a lack of respect that they are willing to risk death by Covid if they get to stick a middle finger in the air against those who they think look down on them. They are willing to torch our institutions because they are so resentful against the people who run them.

The Democratic spending bills are economic packages that serve moral and cultural purposes. They should be measured by their cultural impact, not merely by some wonky analysis. In real, tangible ways, they would redistribute dignity back downward. They would support hundreds of thousands of jobs for home health care workers, child care workers, construction workers, metal workers, supply chain workers. They would ease the indignity millions of parents face having to raise their children in poverty.

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2021 • 10:04:46pm

Alexa, show me a tone-deaf motherfker:

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JOE 🥓  Sep 30, 2021 • 10:16:57pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

Alexa, show me a tone-deaf motherfker:

[Embedded content]

Greed…Exciting and new….Come aboard…If you’re Charlie Koch…The Greed Boat…soon will be taking another trip…to screw you…unless you’re a cold hearted prick…

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2021 • 10:19:18pm

“I’m against entitlement mentality! We shouldn’t be spending money in a bill that doesn’t go to working people! Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’ll be spending the night on my yacht paid for in part with taxpayer money.”

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mmmirele  Sep 30, 2021 • 10:23:04pm

re: #57 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s so frustrating - why Chrome stops me from going to some websites.

Not all websites. Many websites are fine (like LGF.) Google’s own websites are fine.

But there are a smattering of websites I usually visit, such as Wikipedia, which now Chrome thinks is too dangerous for me to visit. The cert is rejected.

I’m wondering if some severs have been installed with software that expects something from my old iMac that it just can’t deliver?

I think there’s a very low-level problem with the latest version of Chromium (what Chrome and Edge are built on). Apparently version 94.blahblah is passing special characters with headers, it’s causing problems with certain websites and it manifests in various ways. This is just my observation in having to deal with one of those low level website problems where the workaround is “use something that is not the current versions of Chrome or Edge or Firefox or Safari. Or something else.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 10:26:16pm

re: #99 mmmirele

Thanks.

What I did discover is that one cert in System Root in Keychain expired on the 30th (today still here), and that one caused problems with a lot of websites. I had to set my Mac to “always trust” that cert even though it is expired.

That solved the Wikipedia problem.

But there still are some websites for which I am having problems, and there are no other certs I have that expired today (or this week.) So the mystery remains.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 10:27:13pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2021 • 10:28:43pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 30, 2021 • 10:30:17pm

Why in the world does the NIH site continue to show the ivermectin study that included the discredited Egyptian report, without displaying any warning about the credibility of this study? Anyone who searches to learn the opinion of legitimate organizations on the efficacy of this drug would be led astray.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2021 • 10:31:54pm

re: #103 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump appointee holdout?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 30, 2021 • 10:35:10pm

re: #104 Dread Pirate Ron

Trump appointee holdout?

I wonder how many of Biden’s policies are being sabotaged by Trump appointments who remain in office. And weren’t there some who were granted civil service protection?

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ckkatz  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:00:41pm

re: #82 Belafon
From the wiki:

Allegations of inflated death counts

In August 2020, President Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory alleging that COVID-19 deaths are systematically overcounted, and that only 6% of the reported deaths in the United States were actually from the disease.[217] This 6% number is based on only counting death certificates where COVID-19 is the sole condition listed. The lead mortality statistician at the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics said that those death certificates likely did not include all the steps that led to the death and thus were incomplete. The CDC collects data based on case surveillance, vital records, and excess deaths.[218] A factcheck.org article on the issue reported that while 6% of the death certificates included COVID-19 exclusively as the cause of death and 94% had additional conditions that contributed to it, COVID-19 was listed as the underlying cause of death in 92% of them, as it may directly cause other severe conditions such as pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome.[219] In mid-October 2020, the number of deaths from COVID-19 in the United States was reported at 218,511 (CDC), 219,681 (Johns Hopkins University) and 219,541 (The New York Times).

en.wikipedia.org

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JOE 🥓  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:00:54pm

re: #105 Hecuba’s daughter

I wonder how many of Biden’s policies are being sabotaged by Trump appointments who remain in office. And weren’t there some who were granted civil service protection?

Sadly there are a bunch of Trump Termites in Federal agencies now shielded by Civil Service protection who can’t be dismissed without a lengthy appeal process.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:01:17pm
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Amory Blaine  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:03:09pm

Sinema has to go. Yeah blah blah blah we need her vote for BBB, but fair game after.She ran on progressive platforms and snaked her way into power to jettison the values she was elected to advance. A freshman that has displayed this level of deception is not an ally and I will be sending money to the person that can take her out of office.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:26:31pm

SRC: ” Sinema roofing company, how may I help you.”

“Hi, I heard you specialize in slate tile roofing”

SRC: ” Why yes I have been advocating for slate roofs for years”

“This is why I would like to hire you. I understand that a slate roof has a large upfront cost, but once installed it will provide decades of protection.”

SRC: “If you hire us, I will work tirelessly to ensure you get the slate roof you need for your home.”

“You’re hired.”

2 months later, after the tear off…

SRC: “We have a problem”

“Oh, dear”

SRC: “Yes well, we talked to your MAGA neighbor and they said you don’t deserve a slate roof and they are too expensive for a person like you and I agree.”

“What does this mean? I mean you took our roofing off!”

SRC: ” Yes this is unfortunate for you seeming you already hired me, but I have a compromise.”

”?”

SRC: “I will install rolled tar paper instead. It won’t last and won’t add value to your home but it’s better than nothing now isn’t it? Oh yeah, your MAGA neighbor gets to pick the color.”

“Kill me now.”

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ckkatz  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:26:54pm

Great to hear that you’ve got a handle on the wiki issue .

Just was doing a quick scan on chrome 94 and certificate issues. I do not run Apple so cannot say how things interact, though.

It looks like chrome had three updates in September 13th, 21st and 26th. And three more in August. If it was Windoz, I would look for library incompatibilities in assorted software. The original 94 update (Sept 21st) reportedly included a major update to SSL Certificate handling.

bleepingcomputer.com

2. Although I wouldn’t recommend this… I was also wondering, since you apparently cannot proceed and ignore the error, if you could force acceptance of a specific website by explicitly whitelisting it through settings->Privacy and Security-> (Advanced) Insecure content.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:32:02pm

Without Ukraine, Russia has ugly women.

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:37:41pm

re: #112 Dread Pirate Ron

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Without Ukraine, Russia has ugly women.

“Average-looking” interpreter who’s dolled up in expensive clothing and make-up.

Good Zod, even Soviet-era Pravda laughs at RT’s desperation.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:38:54pm

re: #112 Dread Pirate Ron

286 lbs?

That’s more than I weigh and I need to lose about 80-90 lbs. I know of no woman remotely that size.

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ckkatz  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:46:59pm

re: #112 Dread Pirate Ron

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Without Ukraine, Russia has ugly women.

I spent some time in Israel many years ago. I knew the head of their EPA at the time. He still had relatives in Russia. He mentioned that one time in the 1970’s on an official visit he went to visit them.

He told this story…

They invited him to stay for dinner, promising a really great treat. And the relatives kept alluding to this great treat coming shortly.

Finally dinner time arrived. And when it was time for the main course everybody turned to watch him, while he looked to the kitchen expectantly. Sure enough, the mother came out the kitchen with a big and very proud grin on her face bearing a huge platter of… steaming potatoes.

The entire family was crestfallen when he did not look suitably impressed. They told him “But we were told that in Israel, potatoes are as rare as oranges.”

He pointed out that this was true. But that Israel raises oranges.

I knew another family that immigrated from Russia in the early 1970s. The father was a senior engineer. The mother, an MD. They had been quite well situated in Russia.

But in Israel, they did not speak the language fluently. They did not have the many years of contacts. And they were not equipped to compete with professional Israeli peers. And they were in their late 50s at that point.

Further they knew all this and decided to move to Israel anyway. Simply to give their daughter a better life with better opportunities. They were some of the bravest folks, in their own quiet way, that I have met.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:47:22pm

re: #111 ckkatz

Changing Chrome settings would not resolve the issue.

Yes, I did update Chrome on the 30th.

And it turns out the 30th was the expiry date for one of the System Root certs.

I had to use the Mac operating system utility to tell the Mac to always trust this cert even though it has expired.

That worked for Wikipedia and some other websites in Chrome, all the sites using certs that attached to the System Root cert.

There are still some websites that Chrome flags that I cannot figure out.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:50:52pm

The camping lover Bushcraft Bear has finally been worn down by the volcano in La Palma. He seems a bit jumpy. For days he’s been very positive and trying to convince people to calm down. I think it is the sound of the volcano that will get on people’s nerves:

The situation is getting a little worse. Bad air, lots of ash, more earthquakes. La Palma Live News

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garzooma  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:51:30pm

re: #106 ckkatz

From the wiki:

Allegations of inflated death counts

en.wikipedia.org

…A factcheck.org article on the issue reported that while 6% of the death certificates included COVID-19 exclusively as the cause of death and 94% had additional conditions that contributed to it, COVID-19 was listed as the underlying cause of death in 92% of them, as it may directly cause other severe conditions such as pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome….

This understates the case. The CDC comorbidities table includes items “Respiratory failure”, “Cardiac arrest” and “Heart failure”. These aren’t “additional conditions that contributed to it”. The person’s heart stopped because Covid killed them.

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:51:41pm

RT is so desperate for something to smack America with, they’re reduced to sitcom jokes like “All Americans are fat.”

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2021 • 11:59:57pm

re: #118 garzooma

This understates the case. The CDC comorbidities table includes items “Respiratory failure”, “Cardiac arrest” and “Heart failure”. These aren’t “additional conditions that contributed to it”. The person’s heart stopped because Covid killed them.

There’s also the reality that with so many Americans either without health insurance or without the means to afford insurance bills, there’s a lot of cases of doctors finding out that patients with COVID symptoms also had pre-existing health problems that were going untreated.

But that’s more complicated than the talking point which anti-vaxxers go with, which is that nobody who’s “healthy” is dying from COVID and that anybody who does die was already dying of something else. Red state governors have gone so far as to weaponize this by forcing their own departments of health to classify COVID deaths as things like “pneumonia” or “respiratory failure.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 1, 2021 • 12:15:27am

No one won the PowerBall jackpot on Wednesday so today (Friday) the (annuitized) value is expected to be $620M . Almost real money.

The Multi-State Lottery corp must expect a lot of people to play on Friday - it is a payday, as they expect about one sixth of all possible combinations (of the 6 numbers) to be played.

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2021 • 12:33:43am
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John Hughes  Oct 1, 2021 • 1:13:00am

re: #116 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The problems with chrome are caused by:
1. A buggy TLS library
2. Let’s encrypt changing their certificate chain.

talk.plesk.com

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Oct 1, 2021 • 1:24:19am

re: #123 John Hughes

The solution to this is updating the root certificate store on the OS. Unfortunately his version of MacOS is so old (according to the undisputed kings of planned obsolesce) that it doesn’t get updates anymore.

I know that in Linux this is just a text file that can (but shouldn’t be) edited directly. I don’t know about Macs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2021 • 2:47:38am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Jon Stewart’s new show starts tonight. Not sure I’ll watch because I have a feeling it might just piss me off.

I stopped watching him a long time ago.

He used to be the medium for the stories but he was not satisfied with that role.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2021 • 2:51:46am

re: #70 jaunte

More than 273 titles were challenged or banned in 2020. #BannedBooksWeek celebrates the freedom to read. Check out the top 10 most challenged books of the year:

Cancel Culture, anybody?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2021 • 2:54:46am

re: #94 Citizen K

And in many cases are succeeding, because “CRT”.

Seems like the worst of us are running away with the battle for the soul of this country despite seemingly like there was hope in reach.

Really, we thought that the Culture Wars had been pretty much won, but between banning CRT, abortion and the overall assault on non-white voting, we are about to be overrun.

They have eased up on anti-gay ideology but for that are turning up the heat on trans rights.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 1, 2021 • 3:47:38am

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Really, we thought that the Culture Wars had been pretty much won, but between banning CRT, abortion and the overall assault on non-white voting, we are about to be overrun.

They have eased up on anti-gay ideology but for that are turning up the heat on trans rights.

I don’t know if I’d say they are succeeding yet. They are using the last vestiges of their power to enforce their restrictive and anti-American agenda. It remains to be seen if their ace in the hole, the unfairly stacked Supreme Court, will allow these “wins” to stand. The bigger problem is that they are setting up to continue this practice by preventing Americans from voting them out, because that’s “not fair”. Because apparently, being broadly unpopular across most of the country isn’t supposed to translate to getting your ass handed to you in elections, for some reason they have yet to clarify.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2021 • 3:51:12am

re: #128 Dopamine Fish

Because apparently, being broadly unpopular across most of the country isn’t supposed to translate to getting your ass handed to you in elections, for some reason they have yet to clarify.

Red states have empowered their state legislatures to simply throw out any election results they find unfavorable, declaring “mass systematic election fraud”.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 1, 2021 • 3:58:57am

Schedule for my booster tomorrow at a Rite Aid 15 minutes away. So very easy, uhoh, I feel a song coming on!

Guns N’ Roses - It’s So Easy

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steve_davis  Oct 1, 2021 • 4:43:51am

re: #29 Dread Pirate Ron

[Embedded content]

“steve austin….a man barely alive….” “We can rebuild him….we can make him better than he was.” “I think we can get him a gig in the Fall Guy…get it? Fall Guy?!” “(sigh).”

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2021 • 5:12:40am

Because Biden is pushing a pretty progressive agenda:

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2021 • 5:14:37am
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Dopamine Fish  Oct 1, 2021 • 5:15:44am

re: #133 Belafon

I think it’s hard for us to be optimistic when we’ve all seen what McConnell is capable of. See, e.g., the Supreme Court of the United States.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 1, 2021 • 5:27:20am

Apparently @popehat poked the bear that is Andy Ngo by writing an absolute banger of a reply letter to one of Ngo’s attorneys, representing a defendant in what appears to be an attempt at a defamation case. And it’s going about as well as you’d expect that matchup to go; that is to say, very poorly for Mr. Ngo and his army of flying monkeys.

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jeffreyw  Oct 1, 2021 • 5:35:40am

Good morning!

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No Malarkey!  Oct 1, 2021 • 5:43:28am

re: #134 Dopamine Fish

I think it’s hard for us to be optimistic when we’ve all seen what McConnell is capable of. See, e.g., the Supreme Court of the United States.

This is a struggle among the Democrats, because they have the votes. Until they prove that they are all so bull headed they would rather completely fail rather than get some good stuff passed, I’ll expect them to get the job done in the end.

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No Malarkey!  Oct 1, 2021 • 5:44:13am

A thread describing treatment of Covid patients.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:00:52am
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:03:35am

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b.d. (The war is over)  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:07:30am

Good morning Lizards:

Says he is fully vaccinated. Thoughts and prayers,

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b.d. (The war is over)  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:08:28am

re: #141 b.d. (You lost, we didn’t cheat, you lost)

Good morning Lizards:

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Says he is fully vaccinated. Thoughts and prayers,

Do they make a beer flavored Ivermectin?

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ckkatz  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:16:48am

re: #141 b.d. (You lost, we didn’t cheat, you lost)

So Kavanaugh has tested positive for CoronaVirus.

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darthstar  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:21:36am
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:27:05am

re: #143 ckkatz

So Kavanaugh has tested positive for CoronaVirus.

[Embedded content]

Everyone on SCOTUS is vaccinated; they will all receive the best care available. None is in jeopardy from a breakthrough case.

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b.d. (The war is over)  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:33:54am

re: #145 Hecuba’s daughter

Everyone on SCOTUS is vaccinated; they will all receive the best care available. None is in jeopardy from a breakthrough case.

Thanks for ruining my buzz.

//

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darthstar  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:34:31am

re: #145 Hecuba’s daughter

Everyone on SCOTUS is vaccinated; they will all receive the best care available. None is in jeopardy from a breakthrough case.

Well, they better slather his ass with veterinary grade ivermectin to be safe.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:43:54am

Pulpit pimp (I KID YOU NOT) Kent Christmas stars in today’s edition of Pulpit Pimp Theater.

Kent denounces gays…even though he’s dressed like a living Gay Bob doll!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:46:30am

re: #145 Hecuba’s daughter

Everyone on SCOTUS is vaccinated; they will all receive the best care available. None is in jeopardy from a breakthrough case.

Kavanaugh is awful but I would hope that his not getting seriously sick from a breakthrough case would stfu the anti vaccine jagoffs. I’ve had two illnesses since being vaccinated- a bad cold when I moved and a bug I caught when I went to NE in August but I’ve felt fine after my three shots (got the booster due to my heart condition and I feel fine nearly 48 hours later.)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:47:27am

re: #148 JOE 🥓

Pulpit pimp (I KID YOU NOT) Kent Christmas stars in today’s edition of Pulpit Pimp Theater.

Kent denounces gays…even though he’s dressed like a living Gay Bob doll!

These guys just need to just come to grips with how sexually repressed they are. They think about gay sex more than gay dudes do.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:51:05am
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Belafon  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:51:29am
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ckkatz  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:55:15am

re: #145 Hecuba’s daughter

Everyone on SCOTUS is vaccinated; they will all receive the best care available. None is in jeopardy from a breakthrough case.

Why you harsh my mellow? ;)

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:56:21am
Katie Porter’s epic beatdown of Kyrsten Sinema reveals an important truth

Rep. Katie Porter (D-Calif.) just delivered a sharp dressing down to Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) that neatly crystallizes this contrast. While many progressives are hammering Sinema, Porter’s broadside captures something essential about what we’re seeing from Sinema, and by extension, about the crossroads that Democrats now face.

That essential point is this: Public servants should feel a basic obligation to level with the voters who granted them the privilege of being their representatives. While more may be happening in private talks than we know, all signs are that Sinema’s caginess is edging toward a level of deceptiveness that borders on betrayal of public duty.

washingtonpost.com

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2021 • 6:57:19am
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Eventual Carrion  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:03:44am

re: #42 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

[Embedded content]

Those people have never advanced mentally past grade school anyway.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:14:05am

I wonder how difficult Manchin and Sinema would make things if (I know, it’s an extremely unlikely outcome) Kavanaugh died of Covid and Joe had a chance to get someone on SCOTUS?

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Dangerman  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:20:26am

If you had ninja and California on your bingo card, I salute you

A sword-wielding man dressed as a ninja attacked several special operations soldiers who were training at a California airport, reportedly forcing them to shelter in a hangar and inflicting wounds that required stitches,” Stars and Stripes reports.

The attacker was “wearing full ninja garb.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:21:26am

re: #157 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how difficult Manchin and Sinema would make things if (I know, it’s an extremely unlikely outcome) Kavanaugh died of Covid and Joe had a chance to get someone on SCOTUS?

AFAIK, Manchin and Sinema have voted for all Biden nominees, with the sole exception of Manchin rejecting Neera Tanden because she posted mean tweets about his daughter (so not a political objection — but a personal one). It’s very likely they would support his nominee.

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Dangerman  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:21:31am
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Dangerman  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:22:47am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:27:11am

re: #159 Hecuba’s daughter

AFAIK, Manchin and Sinema have voted for all Biden nominees, with the sole exception of Manchin rejecting Neera Tanden because she posted mean tweets about his daughter (so not a political objection — but a personal one). It’s very likely they would support his nominee.

Neither are on the Judiciary committee either for that matter. I don’t think it’s a concern honestly. And frankly, I think Manchin is more reasonable than he’s given credit for. I never thought he would have voted to remove Trump twice and as you get at, he’s been a steady vote for Biden nominees. He’s voted far more in line with the Democratic position since 2018 than he hasn’t. He’s not my favorite but I do disagree with those who label him a DINO when he’s got a tough thing in WV representing a state where every county voted for TFG twice I believe.

SInema less so but I kinda get some of her caution given it’s by no means a given that AZ is the next Virginia or Colorado and I dealt with weird shit from Jim Webb when we like AZ finally started to send Democrats state wide. I disagree with the moderates. I’m a liberal after all but I also disagree with the framing of them as monsters who oppose progress in Biden’s proposed agenda.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:28:40am

re: #136 jeffreyw

[Embedded content]

Good morning!

Western good morning!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:28:57am

re: #160 Dangerman

Wasn’t Miller the one the day of the insurrection expressed support for elements of Nazism or am I thinking of another Illinois Congresswoman? And yeah funny for all the “But but Hunter Biden(who I still have only heard speak one time) ” crowd ignores the obvious nepotism that has been in the Trump orbit since Ivanka and Jared first entered the WH with their phony smiles.

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A Cranky One  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:31:05am

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:34:22am

re: #164 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Wasn’t Miller the one the day of the insurrection expressed support for elements of Nazism or am I thinking of another Illinois Congresswoman? And yeah funny for all the “But but Hunter Biden(who I still have only heard speak one time) ” crowd ignores the obvious nepotism that has been in the Trump orbit since Ivanka and Jared first entered the WH with their phony smiles.

Happy I knew a Miller (besides Steven) was a Hitler lover and it turns out that Illinois Rep Mary Miller loves her some Adolph’s Brain Tenderizer

GOP Representative Mary Miller Apologizes for Quoting Hitler in Speech This Week
Miller, who said “Hitler was right on one thing” this week, said Friday that people are trying to “twist” her words

No you praised his you piece of ssshhhaaavvviiinnnggg cream!

thewrap.com

Carol Miller is a Rep from (where else?) West Virginia…

miller.house.gov

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No Malarkey!  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:37:39am

re: #157 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how difficult Manchin and Sinema would make things if (I know, it’s an extremely unlikely outcome) Kavanaugh died of Covid and Joe had a chance to get someone on SCOTUS?

Shouldn’t be a problem; the filibuster doesn’t apply to confirmations, and I don’t expect that Biden would nominate someone so radical that Manchin would have a problem with them.

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No Malarkey!  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:41:44am

Another dead nurse to go on my list of anti-vaxx, anti-mask activists who died of Covid. Still not a single prominent pro-vaccine activist that I am aware of who has died of Covid or from the vaccine, compared to 31 dead prominent anti-vaxxers I am aware of. sorryantivaxxer.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:43:09am

re: #168 No Malarkey!

Only 31?? Feels like the number should be higher than that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:43:16am

re: #166 JOE 🥓

Happy I knew a Miller (besides Steven) was a Hitler lover and it turns out that Illinois Rep Mary Miller loves her some Adolph’s Brain Tenderizer

GOP Representative Mary Miller Apologizes for Quoting Hitler in Speech This Week
Miller, who said “Hitler was right on one thing” this week, said Friday that people are trying to “twist” her words

No you praised his you piece of ssshhhaaavvviiinnnggg cream!

thewrap.com

Carol Miller is a Rep from (where else?) West Virginia…

miller.house.gov

Ah Carol was the Nazi. Mary is just a swamp creature who probably runs against the swamp at home but now has the niece of a former WH COS on her staff.

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No Malarkey!  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:44:24am

re: #166 JOE 🥓

Happy I knew a Miller (besides Steven) was a Hitler lover and it turns out that Illinois Rep Mary Miller loves her some Adolph’s Brain Tenderizer

GOP Representative Mary Miller Apologizes for Quoting Hitler in Speech This Week
Miller, who said “Hitler was right on one thing” this week, said Friday that people are trying to “twist” her words

No you praised his you piece of ssshhhaaavvviiinnnggg cream!

thewrap.com

Carol Miller is a Rep from (where else?) West Virginia…

miller.house.gov

West Virginia is losing a congressional seat to redistricting, which means a guaranteed loss of one republican. They would be wise to eliminate her district.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:46:05am

re: #167 No Malarkey!

Shouldn’t be a problem; the filibuster doesn’t apply to confirmations, and I don’t expect that Biden would nominate someone so radical that Manchin would have a problem with them.

It’s going to be interesting to see who he chooses. I know there was a lot of stressing about Breyer this summer but frankly I’m fine with Biden’s lower level judges getting confirmed first which will allow the ones he will consider for SCOTUS to establish themselves on the judiciary. Just got done reading a bio on one of my favorite SCOTUS members, Justice Brennan and I read about the GIdeon case earlier in the summer. I find the judiciary fascinating even though 99% other people find it boring. It’s a lot more about personalities than people think despite Roberts wanting to act like they’re impartial umpires. Alito’s tantrums over the years show that they’re anything but.

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No Malarkey!  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:47:41am

re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg

Only 31?? Feels like the number should be higher than that.

Those are all that I am aware of. 30 of them are on sorryantivaxxer.com. One I fudged a bit; he was a prominent pastor at a Lexington, Ky church, and I included him even though I couldn’t find any explicit anti-vaccine rhetoric on his part, but he did tell his congregation not to worry about Covid because God is in control, instead of urging them to get vaccinated as he should have.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:47:54am

re: #171 No Malarkey!

West Virginia is losing a congressional seat to redistricting, which means a guaranteed loss of one republican. They would be wise to eliminate her district.

Well WV’s representation is all R’s. Crazy, I can remember a time when their delegation was mostly D except Capito who incidentally enough now is the R Senator.Honestly, as a descendant of miners, I hate how RW that state has gotten. I’m not surprised but I’m disappointed that a state that with so much history with unions has decided to embrace a party that would throw the National Labor Relations Act and wipe it with toilet paper if they could.

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No Malarkey!  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:53:54am

re: #174 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Well WV’s representation is all R’s. Crazy, I can remember a time when their delegation was mostly D except Capito who incidentally enough now is the R Senator.Honestly, as a descendant of miners, I hate how RW that state has gotten. I’m not surprised but I’m disappointed that a state that with so much history with unions has decided to embrace a party that would throw the National Labor Relations Act and wipe it with toilet paper if they could.

Same thing with Kentucky. It use to be all democratic except for Eastern Kentucky, which had been pro union in the Civil War, and state government remained mostly in Democratic control until just a few years ago. We lucked into electing Beshear Governor in 2019 by the skin of his teeth, because the GOP Governor was such an ass everyone hated him, and Beshear’s dad had been a popular governor so he had great name recognition.

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darthstar  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:55:37am

re: #165 A Cranky One

New idea! Covid stick-family stickers. Headstone, headstone, kid, pet.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 7:58:40am

re: #175 No Malarkey!

Same thing with Kentucky. It use to be all democratic except for Eastern Kentucky, which had been pro union in the Civil War, and state government remained mostly in Democratic control until just a few years ago. We lucked into electing Beshear Governor in 2019 by the skin of his teeth, because the GOP Governor was such an ass everyone hated him, and Beshear’s dad had been a popular governor so he had great name recognition.

That’s definitely the decline of the coal mines and the power of the UMWA as a power at work. Same reason why my grandparents’ home county of Cambria in Pennsylvania has sadly gone from a county that soundly rejected Reagan and Reaganism to now embracing Trump and Trumpism. It’s why I don’t buy the economic anxiety bs. They’ve been voting on their cultural resentments and Trump knew how to push that even though he no doubt shits on places like Johnstown and its residents.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:08:36am

re: #177 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s definitely the decline of the coal mines and the power of the UMWA as a power at work. Same reason why my grandparents’ home county of Cambria in Pennsylvania has sadly gone from a county that soundly rejected Reagan and Reaganism to now embracing Trump and Trumpism. It’s why I don’t buy the economic anxiety bs. They’ve been voting on their cultural resentments and Trump knew how to push that even though he no doubt shits on places like Johnstown and its residents.

Just like Beaver County which used to be hard core Democratic turned crimson red when the mills closed and right wing churches moved in. Hurts that it’s economically dead.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:18:02am

re: #178 JOE 🥓

Just like Beaver County which used to be hard core Democratic turned crimson red when the mills closed and right wing churches moved in. Hurts that it’s economically dead.

Yeah sounds right. I hate it man. WPA’s diversity is why I’m who I am but a lot of the old white ethnics have forgotten the same nativist shit that was thrown our way is now what they embrace by voting for shitheads like Trump, Parnell, & others. Stephen Miller’s family went to Johnstown around the same time mine did and was fleeing the pogroms which was much worse than the stuff my great grandparents were fleeing yet he’s a nativist horse’s ass.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:20:57am

re: #96 Targetpractice

Almost Heaven…
GO FUCK YOURSELF.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:24:45am

Uh no I won’t miss this Pulpit Pimp!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:31:32am

re: #181 JOE 🥓

For a moment there, I thought he had died.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:35:38am

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

For a moment there, I thought he had died.

He’s been brain dead for years.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:39:39am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:39:43am

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

For a moment there, I thought he had died.

We haven’t been that lucky. Though it’s been nice not hearing Rush blab out crazy shit anymore.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:48:06am
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wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:50:54am

re: #185 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We haven’t been that lucky. Though it’s been nice not hearing Rush blab out crazy shit anymore.

Day before yesterday, I got my dose of ‘Rush Limbaugh’s still dead’—*smile*, first one in weeks. Mr. w can tell when I need one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:54:36am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:54:53am

re: #186 JOE 🥓

Spiritual Realms would be a kickass name for a brand of Whiskey or something.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:56:06am

my shocked face…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 8:56:50am

re: #187 wrenchwench

Day before yesterday, I got my dose of ‘Rush Limbaugh’s still dead’—*smile*, first one in weeks. Mr. w can tell when I need one.

Was just telling my Dad that every day Trump isn’t Potus is a good day. I still feel a little shattered after the past five years especially 18-19 months but better than I had.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:00:02am

re: #191 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Was just telling my Dad that every day Trump isn’t Potus is a good day. I still feel a little shattered after the past five years especially 18-19 months but better than I had.

I agree with you. I only wish I had the comfort of knowing he’ll never be POTUS again.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:00:52am

re: #180 Ace Rothstein

Almost Heaven…
GO FUCK YOURSELF.

You have something against John Denver?

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:01:50am

re: #189 Eclectic Cyborg

Spiritual Realms would be a kickass name for a brand of Whiskey or something.

There’s Angels’ Share.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:04:12am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:05:02am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

If anyone deserves to make 100, it’s Jimmy C.

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wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:05:14am

re: #191 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Was just telling my Dad that every day Trump isn’t Potus is a good day. I still feel a little shattered after the past five years especially 18-19 months but better than I had.

{{{Happy}}}

End of this month will be 7 years since I was hit by a car. I’m a different human, but I’m human.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:06:37am

Just to show how brainwashed these TexAssHoles are!

“God’s Will Is Being Thwarted.” Even in Solid Republican Counties, Hard-Liners Seek More Partisan Control of Elections.

The nonpartisan elections administrator in the staunchly Republican Hood County, just an hour southwest of Fort Worth, oversaw an election in which Trump got some 81% of the vote. It was among the former president’s larger margins of victory in Texas, which also went for him.

Yet over the past 10 months, Carew’s work has come under persistent attack from hard-line Republicans. They allege disloyalty and liberal bias at the root of her actions, from the time she denied a reporter with the fervently pro-Trump network One America News entrance to a training that was not open to the public to accusations, disputed by the Texas secretary of state’s office, that she is violating state law by using electronic machines that randomly number ballots.

Viewing her decisions as a litmus test of her loyalty to the Republican Party, they have demanded that Carew be fired or her position abolished and her duties transferred to an elected county clerk who has used social media to promote baseless allegations of widespread election fraud.

propublica.org

Once again proving that…

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Dangerman  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:10:18am

Apologies to the community in advance.

I’m going to post 7 pages related to thegreatpoolpondconversion.

It’ll probably push some other pages off the right side.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:10:54am

re: #198 JOE 🥓

“Our elections are the representation of free will, and if we can’t trust that our free will is being represented legally and accurately, then God’s will is being thwarted,” Pressley, a failed Austin City Council candidate turned critic of electronic voting machines, told county commissioners in April. Dave Eagle, a county commissioner and critic of Carew’s, invited Pressley to speak at the meeting.

Would this be the same God who is all powerful and can, you know, do whatever the fuck He wants regardless of what humans do?

/

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:12:29am

re: #196 Eclectic Cyborg

If anyone deserves to make 100, it’s Jimmy C.

I want him to live to 100 and get a National Day Of Celebration after all the abuse that was done to him. NEVER will forgive Republicans forcing him to sell his farm. OR the fucking Pulpit Pimps who called him a Communist or a Rockefeller Trilateral Puppet.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:17:21am

I lost a couple of coworkers that I thought would know better when the vaccination deadline passed, and they were let go. They’re very social and probably get their medical information from Facebook.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:18:25am

re: #168 No Malarkey!

Another dead nurse to go on my list of anti-vaxx, anti-mask activists who died of Covid. Still not a single prominent pro-vaccine activist that I am aware of who has died of Covid or from the vaccine, compared to 31 dead prominent anti-vaxxers I am aware of. sorryantivaxxer.com

A home care pediatric nurse. I hope she burns in hell for all eternity.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:20:18am

re: #181 JOE 🥓

Wow. I’m eight years away from 60. That man has been spewing toxic nonsense on air for longer than I’ve been alive. Unbelievable.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:20:36am

re: #185 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We haven’t been that lucky. Though it’s been nice not hearing Rush blab out crazy shit anymore.

It’s been awesome just knowing Rush is dead. It’s like a little celebration every single day.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:21:50am

re: #196 Eclectic Cyborg

If anyone deserves to make 100, it’s Jimmy C.

110! Go Jimmy!

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Dangerman  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:24:59am

thegreatpoolpondconversion - 210926 edition ———————->
“Pictures, Lots of Pictures”


Here’s an index of all the postings in #thegreatpoolpondconversion

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darthstar  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:26:02am

Friday

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:26:19am

re: #178 JOE 🥓

Just like Beaver County which used to be hard core Democratic turned crimson red when the mills closed and right wing churches moved in. Hurts that it’s economically dead.

I grew up in East Liverpool, born in Chester. Sad to see what has become of the Valley 🥲

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:27:28am
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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:28:22am

re: #205 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s been awesome just knowing Rush is dead. It’s like a little celebration every single day.

Yeah. He’s yelling about his accommodations in the Richard Nixon Wing of the 10th Level Of Hell.

I can imagine that fat fuck whining because Liberace is laughing at him from Heaven.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:28:57am

re: #197 wrenchwench

{{{Happy}}}

End of this month will be 7 years since I was hit by a car. I’m a different human, but I’m human.

7 years already. Wow.I’m glad you’re okay. It’s been yeah I find it harder to laugh. I think Covid and Trumpism have made that harder.

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darthstar  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:29:29am

re: #207 Dangerman

thegreatpoolpondconversion - 210926 edition ———————->
“Pictures, Lots of Pictures”


Here’s an index of all the postings in #thegreatpoolpondconversion

Nice…Only needs an aligator.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:29:31am

Chandler Police Sgt. Jason McClimans confirmed that the collision happened near Chandler Municipal Airport.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:30:18am

re: #205 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s been awesome just knowing Rush is dead. It’s like a little celebration every single day.

Yeah but I hate that social media has allowed more mini Rushes to grow. That said, I did see Alex Jones is going to have to pay up to Sandy Hook families so maybe Fr Coughlin ‘s coked up cousin can see a hit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:30:35am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have conservative (now former) friends that WANT TO MOVE TO FLORIDA because they think DeSantis is awesome.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:30:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:31:02am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:31:19am

re: #174 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Well WV’s representation is all R’s. Crazy, I can remember a time when their delegation was mostly D except Capito who incidentally enough now is the R Senator.Honestly, as a descendant of miners, I hate how RW that state has gotten. I’m not surprised but I’m disappointed that a state that with so much history with unions has decided to embrace a party that would throw the National Labor Relations Act and wipe it with toilet paper if they could.

They embraced the racism, faux-patriotism, and anti-tax rhetoric.

And does the beginning of the party switch correspond at all with the VRA and such? e.g. the same time as the Dixiecrats crossed the aisle.

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darthstar  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:31:21am

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:32:27am

re: #192 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree with you. I only wish I had the comfort of knowing he’ll never be POTUS again.

If it makes you feel better, I think he’s slim to none. Can’t imagine he’s made many new allies after 1/6 but yeah I’ll feel better once he’s gone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:35:05am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:35:37am

re: #219 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

They embraced the racism, faux-patriotism, and anti-tax rhetoric.

And does the beginning of the party switch correspond at all with the VRA and such? e.g. the same time as the Dixiecrats crossed the aisle.

I think Nixon first took advantage of how much they hated the Civil Rights and Antiwar movement, then Reagan played to their patriotism even though the real Ronnie pretended to be a combat vet, and Trump just sped it up. Now tbh I’m hopeful because I remember LBJ said the South was lost for a generation. He was off tbh I think the more populated South is winnable in the long run and has more EVs.

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austin_blue  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:36:29am

re: #82 Belafon

Saw this in my email:

[Embedded content]

I suspect a couple of things: The friend doesn’t know what the acquaintance actually died of or this whole post is fake.

It’s prolly a fake. Let’s see the copy of the DC.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:36:36am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

Election integrity? Is that Ronna calls wasting taxpayer money on Trump resentments?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:40:33am

re: #225 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Election integrity? Is that Ronna calls wasting taxpayer money on Trump resentments?

No, it’s what she calls disenfranchising brown people.

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darthstar  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:42:47am

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:44:17am
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retired cynic  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:44:24am

re: #227 darthstar

OMG, what a mess! I’ve cleaned up after powdered charcoal spills: lordy, lordy!

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:45:50am

Saw this years ago and never could find it again.

In case you can’t read the sign, the Hays commandments are:

Thou Shalt Not [Show]
1. Law Defeated
2. Inside of Thigh
3. Lace Lingerie
4. Dead Man
5. Narcotics
6. Drinking
7. Exposed Bosom
8. Gambling
9. Pointing Gun
10. Tommy Gun

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:48:57am

re: #228 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Maybe doctors and nurses shouldn’t be seeing at risk patents with a fatal virus. What a thought.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:49:21am
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Dangerman  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:51:03am

re: #228 Punish Domestic Terrorists

[Embedded content]

they come in contact with patients
if they wont take adequate precautions, firing them keeps them from infecting others

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:52:43am

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

my shocked face…

Isn’t there a law or ordinance called ‘Stolen Valor’ or some such?

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darthstar  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:55:16am

Data harvesting is now so prolific on facebook I feel bad putting pics of my dogs there.

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wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:57:47am

re: #230 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Saw this years ago and never could find it again.

[Embedded content]

In case you can’t read the sign, the Hays commandments are:

Thou Shalt Not [Show]
1. Law Defeated
2. Inside of Thigh
3. Lace Lingerie
4. Dead Man
5. Narcotics
6. Drinking
7. Exposed Bosom
8. Gambling
9. Pointing Gun
10. Tommy Gun

The cigarette is not a violation?!? It’s the most shocking image in there!

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:58:13am

re: #235 darthstar

Data harvesting is now so prolific on facebook I feel bad putting pics of my dogs there.

[Embedded content]

Facebook’s purpose from the very beginning has been data harvesting. This is just people other than Mark Z. getting a piece of the action.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:58:55am

Should we tell him?

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:59:41am

re: #232 Punish Domestic Terrorists

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 1, 2021 • 9:59:58am

re: #236 wrenchwench

The cigarette is not a violation?!? It’s the most shocking image in there!

Not at the time, when doctors were in cigarette ads talking about how great the brand is.

It is arguable that we needed a code to fight moral decay, now that people with no morals are at war against our democracy.

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ckkatz  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:00:05am
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wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:00:08am

re: #238 Dopamine Fish

Should we tell him?

[Embedded content]

He’s about to commit a science!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:00:09am

re: #238 Dopamine Fish

Should we tell him?

My brain hurts from reading that.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:01:30am

re: #242 wrenchwench

He’s about to commit a science!

They’ll have to kick him out of the cult, no science is allowed inside.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:02:08am

re: #238 Dopamine Fish

Should we tell him?

Hahaha.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:03:39am

re: #238 Dopamine Fish

Should we tell him?

[Embedded content]

You’d think he’d know something about biology if he was running those tinkle tests…

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:04:00am

re: #241 ckkatz

First time I’ve ever heard of him.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:04:56am

re: #241 ckkatz

Apparently he appears in Las Vegas, on Fox radio and the Anthony Cumia show.

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wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:06:31am

re: #240 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Not at the time, when doctors were in cigarette ads talking about how great the brand is.

It is arguable that we needed a code to fight moral decay, now that people with no morals are at war against our democracy.

The anti-social need to be re-socialized.

Mr. w and I have been talking at length about 2 years mandatory service to country. I was opposed before the pandemic. Now I see a country-preserving need for it. He says military service, I’m still looking for non-military options. We both want the social leveling that occurs in boot camp. He’s been there, I have not.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:06:36am

re: #247 jaunte

First time I’ve ever heard of him.

Derek Richards is a Dennis Miller clone. BreitFART loves him. I’m not surprised he shows up on Asshole Anthony’s stuff.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:07:03am

re: #241 ckkatz

I thoughtre: #247 jaunte

First time I’ve ever heard of him.

Same as with the lame country singer who clothed his daughters in Hiding from Biden shirts. Had no idea who he was.no word if he owns a Jumping from Trump shirt for them since Trump like em young but not young.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:07:38am

re: #249 wrenchwench

The anti-social need to be re-socialized.

Mr. w and I have been talking at length about 2 years mandatory service to country. I was opposed before the pandemic. Now I see a country-preserving need for it. He says military service, I’m still looking for non-military options. We both want the social leveling that occurs in boot camp. He’s been there, I have not.

Revive the CCC. Dad served 2 years in the CCC before the Draft Board sent him to the Charleston SC Naval Base because he knew how to do speciality welding.

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wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:09:05am

re: #252 JOE 🥓

Revive the CCC. Dad served 2 years in the CCC before the Draft Board sent him to the Charleston SC Naval Base because he knew how to do speciality welding.

That has often come up. Did it include boot camp? Can it?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:09:24am

re: #252 JOE 🥓

I like the idea, but I support military and non-military options. Not everyone is cut out for the Armed Forces.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:10:58am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:11:31am

re: #253 wrenchwench

That has often come up. Did it include boot camp? Can it?

IF the CCC housing is a bunch of people sharing tents and a common canteen and then working as groups under supervision then you get some of the effects.

Edit:
It’s interesting how many bits of WPA and CCC construction you find about still. More than one state park in New York has stairs, trails, etc. that were built in that time period and are still intact.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:11:48am

re: #254 Eclectic Cyborg

I like the idea, but I support military and non-military options. Not everyone is cut out for the Armed Forces.

I’d like to see WPA cultural projects. I swear if the gov did something like what was done with oral history and music in the 30’s. I’d probably drop my paralegal applications and get on the road. I want this country young and old to understand our history better.

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wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:13:13am

re: #256 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

IF the CCC housing is a bunch of people sharing tents and a common canteen and then working as groups under supervision then you get some of the effects.

We need to prevent the rich from buying their way out of it.

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darthstar  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:13:25am

re: #255 jaunte

And probably 30% interest on that ‘loan’, which, btw, was his wife’s money, not his.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:13:42am

re: #253 wrenchwench

That has often come up. Did it include boot camp? Can it?

Dad said there was a 4 week “boot camp” before he did CCC work in Virginia. The kids were paid $5 a week and half of that was to be sent back to their parents. If they were orphans then that half was held in trust for them until their tour was over.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:14:25am

re: #258 wrenchwench

We need to prevent the rich from buying their way out of it.

Or perhaps make really really clear who is buying their way out.

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wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:16:23am

re: #261 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Or perhaps make really really clear who is buying their way out.

They have no shame. They need a penalty. No college?

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:17:05am

re: #258 wrenchwench

We need to prevent the rich from buying their way out of it.

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Dangerman  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:18:35am

re: #250 JOE 🥓

Derek Richards is a Dennis Miller clone. BreitFART loves him. I’m not surprised he shows up on Asshole Anthony’s stuff.

So..not funny?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:18:42am

re: #262 wrenchwench

They have no shame. They need a penalty. No college?

Perhaps.

I was thinking more along the lines of those doing the CCC work knowing exactly who it was (and who their parents are) that are shirking it.

Denying additional benefits beyond the employment does also make sense. Changes the financial calculation at the very least.

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wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:20:26am

re: #265 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Perhaps.

I was thinking more along the lines of those doing the CCC work knowing exactly who it was (and who their parents are) that are shirking it.

Denying additional benefits beyond the employment does also make sense. Changes the financial calculation at the very least.

Peer pressure! The privileged need to know that the less privileged are indeed their peers.

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darthstar  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:21:01am

re: #247 jaunte

First time I’ve ever heard of him.

Same…hoping it’s the last time I hear about him.

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Dangerman  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:21:21am

Example

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI), who is a multi-millionaire, paid just $2,105 in state taxes in 2017, about the same as a married couple who made taxable income of $40k would have paid, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:22:13am

re: #264 Dangerman

So..not funny?

Not only not funny but probably convinced he triggers the libs even though his audience was convinced that they weren’t allow to say Merry Christmas until Trump brought it back.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:27:29am

re: #252 JOE 🥓

Revive the CCC. Dad served 2 years in the CCC before the Draft Board sent him to the Charleston SC Naval Base because he knew how to do speciality welding.

The god-child of the CCC still exists. It’s the NCCC, which almost perished under Trump but is showing signs of restoration. We had teams assigned to our Habitat affiliate for two years. They were great kids, and I got to see someone (their female lead) use the Pythagorean theorem to find the centerline of a shingle job. It’s a great way for kids to scrounge money for college.

americorps.gov

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:28:36am
Noises linked to mysterious injuries among US diplomats in Cuba were most likely caused by crickets — not microwave weapons — according to a declassified scientific review commissioned by the US State Department and obtained by BuzzFeed News.

The State Department report was written by the JASON advisory group, an elite scientific board that has reviewed US national security concerns since the Cold War. It was completed in November of 2018, two years after dozens of US diplomats in Cuba and their families reported hearing buzzing noises and then experiencing puzzling neurological injuries, including pain, vertigo, and difficulty concentrating.

The report, obtained by BuzzFeed News via a Freedom of Information Act request, was originally classified as “secret.” It concluded that the sounds accompanying at least eight of the original 21 Havana syndrome incidents were “most likely” caused by insects. That same scientific review also judged it “highly unlikely” that microwaves or ultrasound beams — now widely proposed by US government officials to explain the injuries — were involved in the incidents. And though the report didn’t definitively conclude what caused the injuries themselves, it found that “psychogenic” mass psychology effects may have played a role.

A Declassified State Department Report Says Microwaves Didn’t Cause “Havana Syndrome” (Buzzfeed)

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Dangerman  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:28:40am
CBS News: “Mail delivery for many Americans will slow starting on Friday, part of Postmaster General Louis DeJoy’s blueprint for overhauling the U.S. Postal Service in order to slash costs. But critics say the slower delivery standards could cause problems such as late bill delivery while more broadly undermining the public’s faith in the USPS

Late bill delivery?
How about spoiled medications?

I’m hoping the majority dem board is just letting him eff up more before they can him

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:28:51am

re: #268 Dangerman

Example

One of the benefits of being rich is being able to afford REALLY good accountants.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:30:55am

re: #272 Dangerman

Late bill delivery?
How about spoiled medications?

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I’m hoping the majority dem board is just letting him eff up more before they can him

Let’s talk about the man who lived in my apartment building who got his insulin from the VA thru the mail. Wasn’t delivered on time. He wound up in the E/R and is now in a nursing home thanks to diabetic complications.

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wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:31:44am
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Eventual Carrion  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:33:22am

re: #238 Dopamine Fish

Should we tell him?

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So what if instead of standing in front of the sink washing our hands all the time we could just use some disposable wipe to clean off.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:42:02am
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Dangerman  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:45:13am

re: #277 Dopamine Fish

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They shoulda written it that way. They didnt.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:45:41am

re: #277 Dopamine Fish

“…Williams: There are a few strands. The most ascendant one right now seems to be critical theory, which was born in France in the ’60s and migrated to American universities. It has birthed all of these academic centers—gender studies, anti-colonialism, African American studies. It has some core tenets: There’s no such thing as truth in politics; it’s all about narratives and power, and we can’t know truth, fundamentally. There’s no such thing as natural rights; politics is making sure discrete identity groups, especially the ones who’ve been oppressed over time, now have an opportunity to express themselves.

That means deconstructing and disrupting what was the dominant narrative for a long time, which was the Founders’ regime of natural rights. One of the institutional vehicles for it was the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which was meant to fulfill the promise of the Declaration of Independence for Black Americans coming out of segregation. But the courts and administrative agencies quickly turned against the color-blind, equal-opportunity vision of the founding and toward affirmative action—this calculation of current oppressor or past oppressor, and the pursuit of equity and social justice. Now this seems to mean that we’re really not going to be where we need to be until all groups are equally represented and have the same outcomes for, say, home ownership, wealth, the proportion of CEOs, or members of Congress. That seems to be the goal of wokeism.

What a load of horseshit.

280
jaunte  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:47:02am
“…Williams: A true regime of nondiscrimination is when the state cannot disadvantage or advantage any group based on their skin color or ethnicity. That’s the original promise of the Declaration of Independence. It is, in many ways, a color-blind Constitution.

The counter from the left is that there’s systemic racism that has built up over years by certain legal systems. I would have to see some real proof of that. The main evidence seems to be that there are disparate results, thus there’s systemic racism.”

Blind, deaf and dumb as a post.

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Dangerman  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:47:06am

re: #279 jaunte

What a load of horseshit.

Eat horse paste
Dump horse shit

282
jaunte  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:47:35am

“I would have to see some real proof of that.”

283
aatharuv  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:48:11am

re: #277 Dopamine Fish

They’re right in that the US Constitution requires a people who believe in a certain belief system. They’re just wrong in their assertion that the belief system is a same religion that most of the founders nominally adhered to.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:48:15am

re: #280 jaunte

The main evidence seems to be that there are disparate results, thus there’s systemic racism.”

Yeah, that’s kinda how it works. If we were in an equal system, then all other things being equal, there would be equal results.

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Dangerman  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:48:29am

re: #282 jaunte

“I would have to see some real proof of that.”

Bet he’s white//

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:48:55am

re: #285 Dangerman

“I’ll be the judge of what’s real!”

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:50:03am

re: #286 jaunte

“I’ll be the judge of what’s real!”

Or, to use the colloquialism coined by the Mythbusters, “I reject your reality and substitute my own.”

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:50:47am
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Dopamine Fish  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:51:41am

re: #288 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Lady, who the actual fuck do you think you are? Two of those aren’t even things the Speaker, nor anyone in this goddamn country, can do (the first two).

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Dangerman  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:52:47am

re: #288 Punish Domestic Terrorists

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No deal
Shoo
Adult professionals are at work

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:53:07am

re: #289 Dopamine Fish

Lady, who the actual fuck do you think you are? Two of those aren’t even things the Speaker, nor anyone in this goddamn country, can do (the first two).

A twitter troll who’s risen way above her level of competency? The textbook example of the Peter Principle? Living proof that just because anybody can be elected to public office doesn’t mean it’s a good idea?

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sagehen  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:53:10am

re: #249 wrenchwench

The anti-social need to be re-socialized.

Mr. w and I have been talking at length about 2 years mandatory service to country. I was opposed before the pandemic. Now I see a country-preserving need for it. He says military service, I’m still looking for non-military options. We both want the social leveling that occurs in boot camp. He’s been there, I have not.

Non-military options: let’s talk about climate crises. Floods. Wildfires. Hurricanes. Blizzards. There’s plenty of need for able-bodied young people to perform functions that only need a few months training.

293
Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:56:17am

re: #291 Targetpractice

A twitter troll who’s risen way above her level of competency? The textbook example of the Peter Principle? Living proof that just because anybody can be elected to public office doesn’t mean it’s a good idea?

When a political party is made up of people who reject reality, they’ll elect a lot of people who are so stupid you’ll wonder how they manage to tie their shoes. At this point you have to at least pretend to be stupid or crazy and lie about the 2020 election to be a Republican in good standing.

294
Dopamine Fish  Oct 1, 2021 • 10:58:26am

I think my favorite part of Margarine Tater-Greens’ bizarre trolling is that she seems to think that giving her side everything they want is a worthy exchange for her giving us one vote on one thing we want. She clearly learned the Art of the Deal from the orange god himself.

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sagehen  Oct 1, 2021 • 11:16:58am

re: #282 jaunte

“I would have to see some real proof of that.”

Money magazine in the early 90’s did a whole special issue on racism. As you might guess by the name of the magazine, it’s a very conservative, finance-oriented publication.

They had an article about mortgages, one about small-business financing, one about blue-collar wages and union membership… they proved, mathematically, all with right-wing measurements, how much of the black/white wealth disparity is externally created, by explicit government policy, completely divorced from any variation in intelligence, talent, work ethic, etc.

296
Florida Panhandler  Oct 1, 2021 • 11:31:23am

re: #290 Dangerman

No deal
Shoo
Adult professionals are at work

Never bargain with terrorists. They will only demand more.

This Marjorie clown shoe is an open and proud terrorist.

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John Hughes  Oct 1, 2021 • 12:03:48pm

re: #74 GlutenFreeJesus

So where do I mount my Dushka?

298
John Hughes  Oct 1, 2021 • 12:10:28pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

When you realise that the only way to talk to your senator it’s a limpet mine.

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John Hughes  Oct 1, 2021 • 12:34:51pm
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John Hughes  Oct 1, 2021 • 12:39:33pm

re: #202 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I lost a couple of coworkers that I thought would know better when the vaccination deadline passed

So, why exactly are you looking for a new job? Any references?

301
John Hughes  Oct 1, 2021 • 12:40:19pm

re: #206 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

110! Go Jimmy!

Go Jimmy, go, Jimmy be good!

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John Hughes  Oct 1, 2021 • 12:46:58pm

re: #236 wrenchwench

The cigarette is not a violation?!? It’s the most shocking image in there!

The guy was so smart he worked out what would be banded in the future.

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John Hughes  Oct 1, 2021 • 12:58:30pm

re: #249 wrenchwench

Bug off.

I knew people who did their military service herw in France. It was a soul destroying waste of time. If your society is so fucked that forcing everyone into two years of slavery is the only way you can imagine fixing it just give up.

304
Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2021 • 1:26:46pm

re: #303 John Hughes

Bug off.

I knew people who did their military service herw in France. It was a soul destroying waste of time. If your society is so fucked that forcing everyone into two years of slavery is the only way you can imagine fixing it just give up.

how fucking DARE YOU?
Can you not even read? She said no such thing.

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William Lewis  Oct 1, 2021 • 1:58:59pm

re: #303 John Hughes

Hardly. I too believe that national service - for some that would be as it was for me, in the military, for others in hospitals, schools, national parks and so forth - and that did not allow anyone to avoid such service - would go a long way towards fixing the selfishness of the Genocidal GOP here. Serving something larger than yourself is the opposite of soul destroying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2021 • 2:13:16pm

re: #305 William Lewis

Hardly. I too believe that national service - for some that would be as it was for me, in the military, for others in hospitals, schools, national parks and so forth - and that did not allow anyone to avoid such service - would go a long way towards fixing the selfishness of the Genocidal GOP here. Serving something larger than yourself is the opposite of soul destroying.

but “soul destroying” explains much about him.

307
John Hughes  Oct 1, 2021 • 4:20:14pm

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

how fucking DARE YOU?
Can you not even read? She said no such thing.

She said:

Mr. w and I have been talking at length about 2 years mandatory service to country. I was opposed before the pandemic. Now I see a country-preserving need for it.

How fucking dare I?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2021 • 4:26:45pm

re: #307 John Hughes

She said:

How fucking dare I?

nice cherry picking.
but not surprising.

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John Hughes  Oct 1, 2021 • 4:30:35pm

re: #305 William Lewis

Hardly. I too believe that national service - for some that would be as it was for me, in the military, for others in hospitals, schools, national parks and so forth - and that did not allow anyone to avoid such service - would go a long way towards fixing the selfishness of the Genocidal GOP here. Serving something larger than yourself is the opposite of soul destroying.

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

but “soul destroying” explains much about him.

I didn’t do “national service”. My father missed by a year, so he wasn’t in Malaya, my French friends did it, cleaning toilets in Germany, or learning how to use enigma machines in 1983, or avoided it with “medical” discharges.

Of all the people I know who were conscripts, one had a positive experience (he was a naval firefighter). But that’s one in ten.


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