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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:15:44am

Picking up from downstairs:

re: #156 jaunte

NPR just reported that Social Security payments are at risk because of the Debt Ceiling standoff, without mentioning who’s standing in the way. Journalistic malpractice.

There are a lot of GOP seniors on social security. Something tells me they’d be pretty pissed if they stopped getting their money.

So to be clear: If we default, does that mean SS payments stop indefinitely?

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:16:41am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

The segment didn’t go into any depth on it, just raised the fear.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:18:50am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Janet Yellen: “Nearly 50 million seniors could stop receiving Social Security checks for a time.”

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:19:26am

“…Social Security, which was created in 1935, has never missed a benefit payment. However, checks could be delayed for weeks, or even longer, if Congress fails to either raise or suspend the debt limit, the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare recently warned.

Social Security is self-funded yet the program is drawing down from its trust funds, which include Treasury bonds, to pay benefits.”
cnbc.com

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:20:57am

Supreme Court takes the bench after long absence, but things have changed

The first case Monday was a long-running dispute in which Mississippi is suing the city of Memphis and the state of Tennessee for $600 million over a claim Memphis is harming its neighbors to the south by drawing water from the Middle Claiborne Aquifer. It lies below the two states, as well as others.

…snip…

The point, as Justice Neil M. Gorsuch indicated, was that the court had not weighed in before on underground water that flows between states, and justices needed to figure out the outer limits of the kinds of claims the court should hear.

…snip…
In the other case, the justices considered a part of the Armed Career Criminal Act, which provides longer mandatory sentences for a repeat offender. The question was whether William Wooden’s conviction for breaking into 10 units at a storage facility on the same day should count as one offense or 10.

washingtonpost.com

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retired cynic  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:22:30am

Why Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp All Went Down Today
The problem relates to something called BGP routing, and it took down every part of Facebook’s business.

wired.com

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:30:03am

re: #6 retired cynic

Why Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp All Went Down Today
The problem relates to something called BGP routing, and it took down every part of Facebook’s business.

wired.com

To explain in non-tech terms what BGP routing is: To preserve space, routers only know how to talk to their nearest neighbors. If someone asks to talk to facebook.com, the router goes, “Do I know who facebook.com is? No? I’m going to reach out and find out who facebook.com is, then I’ll take a look and see who to send this request to that will eventually make its way to facebook.com.” BGP - or Border Gateway Protocol - is for those routers that have to know who to talk to across multiple different networks, such as the backbone routers of the Internet - ISP core routers, routers for major tech companies that act as major traffic gateways, etc. (Your home router is essentially part of a private network within your ISP, and connects to a router that’s probably 2 or 3 hops away from a core router that participates in BGP.) BGP allows these core routers to share routing information with each other when new things get added to the Internet, or old things get removed. In this case, Facebook pushed a change to their BGP routers that said, in effect, “Route all traffic for our part of the Internet into a black hole.” The other BGP routers dutifully complied, and this meant that no one and nothing could talk to Facebook’s routers anymore.

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:30:24am

Top Vatican cardinal says Biden should not be denied Communion

A top Vatican cardinal says President Biden should not be denied Communion amid a push by U.S. Catholic bishops to withhold the sacrament from the president because of his support for abortion rights.

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While Turkson has no say in the matter, his comments, coupled with Pope Francis’s general remarks, send a clear signal to U.S. Catholic bishops about where the Vatican stands on the issue.

…snip…

U.S. bishops are scheduled to meet next month and discuss whether to deny Communion to Biden and other Catholic politicians, such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), over their support for abortion rights.

…snip…

The decision to give Communion to practicing Catholics is up to individual priests, and Cardinal Wilton Gregory, archbishop of Washington, has made it clear that he favors giving Communion to Biden.

washingtonpost.com

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Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:31:13am

Anybody have a clue about this? Sounds pretty big.

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Dangerman  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:36:28am

re: #4 jaunte

“…Social Security, which was created in 1935, has never missed a benefit payment. However, checks could be delayed for weeks, or even longer, if Congress fails to either raise or suspend the debt limit, the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare recently warned.

Social Security is self-funded yet the program is drawing down from its trust funds, which include Treasury bonds, to pay benefits.”
cnbc.com

To be clear:
Dems have already passed the debt limit bill
Mcconnell and the Rs are blocking the vote on it

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:37:43am

re: #9 Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict

The NYPD SBA’s president has been very active in rwnj politics. His home was also raided. I do not know how much, if at all, the recent revelations about multiple NYPD officers also being in the OathKeepers and 3%’ers played a role.

Often though, it ends being some crass money matter.

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lawhawk  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:40:32am

re: #9 Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict

FBI, NYPD, SDNY, and the Sergeant’s Benevolent Association are all quiet. Even their union boss had no comment, which means it’s quite serious and knows it’s a big deal when the FBI comes calling.

My guess? Corruption, embezzling funds, followed way down the list by right wing domestic terrorist links within the NYPD as outgrowth of the 1/6 investigations.

SDNY would have jurisdiction here, so it’d be interesting to see which unit is involved - that would be a tell. My guess would be public corruption (embezzlement).

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:40:42am

Hmm, maybe I’m out of touch, but online shopping has always seemed that way to me. Particularly in places like Amazon:

A flood of unknown products is making online shopping impossible
Mysterious brands are flooding shopping sites and social media ads, making it difficult to tell the real from the low-quality

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If you’ve tried to buy something through online ads on Facebook or Instagram, or through a site such as Amazon, Google and Walmart, chances are you’ve encountered a mix of brands you’ve heard of and even more you haven’t. Between the reputable products and the counterfeits is a sea of mysterious companies selling goods of unknown origin and quality.

Online shopping has been on the rise for years but got a boost during the pandemic, generating $791.7 billion in sales in 2020 and making up 14 percent of all retail sales in the United States, according to the Census Bureau. E-commerce sales are expected to surpass $1 trillion in 2022, according to research firm eMarketer.

But one of the features that made buying online so appealing is also making it increasingly unusable: a glut of unknown and often inferior brands.

washingtonpost.com

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:41:17am

re: #9 Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict

Anybody have I clue about this? Sounds pretty big.

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If wild-ass guesses are being entertained… howzabout that hack that exposed the Oath Keepers info?

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Egregious Philbin  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:42:49am

I hit the big 4000 on my e-bike yesterday (Pedego Interceptor), the insane AZ summer is over, time to ride more, and more….

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:43:00am

re: #9 Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict

Anybody have a clue about this? Sounds pretty big.

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Hmm Maybe Merrick and his team got some Proud Baby Enrique to sing!

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:43:53am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Picking up from downstairs:

There are a lot of GOP seniors on social security. Something tells me they’d be pretty pissed if they stopped getting their money.

So to be clear: If we default, does that mean SS payments stop indefinitely?

They will jerk our chains and put the recovery at risk, then falter to some middling numbers and then call themselves heroes. Seems the same old song each time they do this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:45:23am

re: #10 Dangerman

To be clear:
Dems have already passed the debt limit bill
Mcconnell and the Rs are blocking the vote on it

Let me guess. At the eleventh hour, the GOP is going to try and wrangle a shit ton of concessions from Biden in order to put up some votes to get the bill through.

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:45:49am

Hollywood production workers authorize strike, setting up industry showdown over streaming profits

Hollywood production workers pushing for better pay and working conditions voted nearly unanimously to authorize a strike, a scenario that could hobble the entertainment industry as companies race to keep up with a surge in on-demand films and TV shows.

The International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE) said Monday that its members voted 98 percent to 2 percent to allow union president Matthew D. Loeb to call for a work stoppage, though the group will attempt to return to the bargaining table before actually striking. The union represents more than 60,000 set builders, costume designers, video engineers and other behind-the-scenes workers.

The union has pressed production companies to improve compensation and on-set working conditions to reflect the industry’s rising fortunes. Salaries for off-camera personnel have not grown commensurate with those of actors and writers, say workers, who contend the rush to produce new programs has deprived them of time with their families, sleep and even bathroom breaks.

washingtonpost.com

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:46:28am
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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:47:13am

re: #15 Egregious Philbin

I hit the big 4000 on my e-bike yesterday (Pedego Interceptor), the insane AZ summer is over, time to ride more, and more….

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Congrats!

May you enjoy many more miles on that e-bike!

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:48:12am

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Let me guess. At the eleventh hour, the GOP is going to try and wrangle a shit ton of concessions from Biden in order to put up some votes to get the bill through.

There’s still a part of me that thinks that the Republicans will actually allow America to go into default just to spite the Democrats (and, of course, blame them for everything). I have no doubt that they will say, “Well, the Dems could’ve killed their Marxist infrastructure reconciliation package and avoided default, like we told them to, but they didn’t listen to us and now we’re in default. It’s not our fault, we told them what we would accept and they didn’t play by our rules.”

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Jay C  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:50:37am

re: #12 lawhawk

FBI, NYPD, SDNY, and the Sergeant’s Benevolent Association are all quiet. Even their union boss had no comment, which means it’s quite serious and knows it’s a big deal when the FBI comes calling.

My guess? Corruption, embezzling funds, followed way down the list by right wing domestic terrorist links within the NYPD as outgrowth of the 1/6 investigations.

SDNY would have jurisdiction here, so it’d be interesting to see which unit is involved - that would be a tell. My guess would be public corruption (embezzlement).

My guess as well: even SDNY prosecutors tend to steer clear of the NYPD unless it’s some clear issue- like money (embezzlement, etc.): unless there is some egregious incident, they don’t seem to get involved in the strictly “political” end of things.
Though maybe 1/6 may prove an exception….

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:50:53am

re: #22 Dopamine Fish

There’s still a part of me that thinks that the Republicans will actually allow America to go into default just to spite the Democrats (and, of course, blame them for everything). I have no doubt that they will say, “Well, the Dems could’ve killed their Marxist infrastructure reconciliation package and avoided default, like we told them to, but they didn’t listen to us and now we’re in default. It’s not our fault, we told them what we would accept and they didn’t play by our rules.”

Yup!

Until they are held accountable for their behavior they will continue with this crap. No matter how many American lives they destroy in the process.

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The Squire of Logos  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:52:14am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

At this point many would be happy with him being brought to justice for his crimes… any of his crimes.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:52:14am

re: #10 Dangerman

To be clear:
Dems have already passed the debt limit bill
Mcconnell and the Rs are blocking the vote on it

That’s the part the NPR broadcast mysteriously omitted.

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Dangerman  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:52:51am

re: #10 Dangerman

To be clear:
Dems have already passed the debt limit bill
Mcconnell and the Rs are blocking the vote on it

To be crystal clear

It would be one thing if the rs just sat on their hands and said, “We abstain, you get the votes.” It would be shameful, since they racked up the debt, but at least Democrats could proceed.

But they aren’t just refusing to participate.
they are actively impeding it.

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:53:18am

re: #19 ckkatz

Hollywood production workers authorize strike, setting up industry showdown over streaming profits

washingtonpost.com

Samantha Bee did a segment on this. It sounds justified.

IATSE gave all sorts of concessions in the early days of streaming, lower pay and less worker protections than for broadcast shows and theatrical releases. To help original programming on streaming platforms be competitive, help the business get off the ground. This seems to be a concession whose justification has passed.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:55:39am

In case there might be some kind of skiguy hanging around...teleskiguy

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:56:21am

re: #28 sagehen

Samantha Bee did a segment on this. It sounds justified.

IATSE gave all sorts of concessions in the early days of streaming, lower pay and less worker protections than for broadcast shows and theatrical releases. To help original programming on streaming platforms be competitive, help the business get off the ground. This seems to be a concession whose justification has passed.

I agree with you. It seems totally reasonable to me. I suspect that the tight labor market and growing economy may have some play in this.

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retired cynic  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:56:38am

Chamber of deceit
popular.info

Judd Legum details the Chamber of Commerce’s strong support of the hard infrastructure bill, and Min. Leader McCarthy’s shutting them out of Republican deliberations, and then the Chamber giving way and supporting the R blocking that same bill.

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Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:57:06am

The shittiest people are all pushing another James O’Keefe bullshit story today.

This is COVID disinformation. Report it.

This shit is going to get people killed.

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darthstar  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:57:26am

How’s she doing? I hope the GOP questions aren’t stupid ass shit about how Trump was unfairly treated.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:57:45am

re: #29 wrenchwench

It would be interesting to recreate those and see how they handle.

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Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)  Oct 5, 2021 • 10:59:11am

More toxic disinformation

All the worst people on the internet …

Instagram removed this. We have to get Twitter to do the same and suspend these accounts.

This is dangerous and harmful and @jack needs to get off his ass.

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darthstar  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:00:41am

re: #35 Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)

Pfizer made more money from penis pills than anything else. Covid money…jesus.

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:03:48am

re: #31 retired cynic

Chamber of deceit
popular.info

Judd Legum details the Chamber of Commerce’s strong support of the hard infrastructure bill, and Min. Leader McCarthy’s shutting them out of Republican deliberations, and then the Chamber giving way and supporting the R blocking that same bill.

Hah! I was just looking at this article.

Yes, the GQP has been playing hardball with the Chamber of Commerce since January. It has managed to chase out a number of the Chamber’s top leadership in order to continue its war with Biden.

It will be interesting to see how the major member corporations land with respect to choice between “profit from infrastructure contracts” versus “unceasing war”.

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Egregious Philbin  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:08:15am

re: #21 ckkatz

And its my second one….about 2600 on the other one!

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Dangerman  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:10:31am
R. Marshall Brandt: “All 50 Republicans in the Senate voted not to raise the debt ceiling and therefore willfully default on America’s debt. That vote was just as antithetical to a functioning democracy as was the votes to decertify the election results on January 6.”

The bulwark

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:14:18am
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Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:14:37am

re: #11 ckkatz

re: #12 lawhawk

So the usual corruption investigation then.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:16:37am

Our old friend Cillizza but this time mocking Pence for his continued adoration of Trump and refusal to acknowledge fully how monstrous the January 6 attack continues to be. But then “Peril” showed how Pence was actually searching for someone to support him in a betrayal of our Constitution and nation.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:22:47am
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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:22:52am

re: #32 Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)

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The shittiest people are all pushing another James O’Keefe bullshit story today.

This is COVID disinformation. Report it.

This shit is going to get people killed.

I can report a linked tweet. I have a more difficult time figuring out which tweet to report, pulling it up on twitter, then reporting it. I also have a hard time asking for help when I want to help. I can’t report a screenshot.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:24:40am

So a Bernie fanatic friend posted a FB comment comparing treatment of Puerto Rican nationalists in their 1954 attack to the kid gloves the January 6 insurrectionists are receiving. Have to say though — the situations are not comparable. The 1954 attack included the nationalists firing from the visitor’s gallery onto the House floor and wounding several congressmen. So the harsh sentences they received were certainly merited.

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retired cynic  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:25:00am

Report Details Community Colleges’ Impact On Economy, Earnings
nprillinois.org

“The internal rate of return on their investment is 26.8 percent,” according to the study. “In other words, if a student put $33,368 in an investment that returned 40 annual payments equivalent to the earnings gains from an associate degree, they would earn interest at a rate of 26.9 percent.”

That’s factoring in an assumed cost of $31,883 for the degree, including tuition and other expenses as well as “opportunity” cost, which includes time spent at school instead of work.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:25:27am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

@jerk blocked me from reporting people. He doesn’t like his conservative pals fee fees getting hurt.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:26:36am

THREAD: Republicans are domestic terrorists.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:30:14am

I hope we can get some more great WPA-style buildings like the site utility structures at Mackenzie Park in Lubbock. These are the public restrooms and storage sheds and garages. They were designed by the distinguished architect Wyatt Hedrick in a simplified Italian Renaissance style to match his buildings at nearby Texas Tech. They are built from locally quarried sandstone with the outer surface left rough and most have tile roofs. Some have ornamental terra cotta work. They are still in daily use and look like they were put up a couple of years ago.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:35:13am

re: #32 Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)

[Embedded content]

The shittiest people are all pushing another James O’Keefe bullshit story today.

This is COVID disinformation. Report it.

This shit is going to get people killed.

These lying fucks need to be prosecuted.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:41:59am

re: #48 The Pie Overlord!

THREAD: Republicans are domestic terrorists.

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I have no confidence in Natasha Sinema. I fully expect her to let the default happen because she got her fee fees hurt from those “nasty” protesters.

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William Lewis  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:44:36am
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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:46:05am

re: #52 William Lewis

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We have to write the next chapter, don’t we.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:47:02am

re: #43 The Pie Overlord!

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:47:25am

re: #53 wrenchwench

We have to write the next chapter, don’t we.

Just the next line
“But they don’t have the will.”

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lawhawk  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:48:12am

re: #23 Jay C

My guess as well: even SDNY prosecutors tend to steer clear of the NYPD unless it’s some clear issue- like money (embezzlement, etc.): unless there is some egregious incident, they don’t seem to get involved in the strictly “political” end of things.
Though maybe 1/6 may prove an exception….

There’s a public corruption unit that does deal with this kind of thing, and they usually don’t announce what’s happening until the indictments are unsealed and the arrests are forthcoming.

1/6 falls into this public corruption, much as the SDNY was used to prosecute NYPD officers who took bribes to issue gun licenses.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:48:23am

re: #55 Eventual Carrion

Just the next line
“But they don’t have the will.”

Oh. Short story.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:51:17am
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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:54:39am

re: #52 William Lewis

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We’ve sent out radio signals for over 100 years.

Aliens who are able to master interstellar travel have the technology to decode those signals and they know they want nothing to do with such an insane race

OR

They figured out that there’s an easy way to conquer Earth and that’s for one of them to claim he is JC coming to rapture the True Believers!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:57:51am

re: #59 JOE 🥓

We’ve sent out radio signals for over 100 years.

Aliens who are able to master interstellar travel have the technology to decode those signals and they know they want nothing to do with such an insane race

OR

They figured out that there’s an easy way to conquer Earth and that’s for one of them to claim he is JC coming to rapture the True Believers!

And rapture is such a good cover if the aliens decide that we taste good, especially with ketchup.
/

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 5, 2021 • 11:59:03am

re: #59 JOE 🥓

We’ve sent out radio signals for over 100 years.

Aliens who are able to master interstellar travel have the technology to decode those signals and they know they want nothing to do with such an insane race

OR

They figured out that there’s an easy way to conquer Earth and that’s for one of them to claim he is JC coming to rapture the True Believers!

But they have to be within 100 light years from us to have received those signals. So any civilizations at a farther distance probably won’t get them until long after we’ve totally destroyed our civilization and possibly our planet.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:00:18pm

re: #59 JOE 🥓

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:01:53pm
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darthstar  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:02:04pm

re: #60 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And rapture is such a good cover if the aliens decide that we taste good, especially with ketchup.
/

It’s catsup.

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:02:46pm

re: #59 JOE 🥓

We’ve sent out radio signals for over 100 years.

Aliens who are able to master interstellar travel have the technology to decode those signals and they know they want nothing to do with such an insane race

OR

They figured out that there’s an easy way to conquer Earth and that’s for one of them to claim he is JC coming to rapture the True Believers!

I think that StoneKettle published a SciFi story along those lines.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:04:16pm

re: #61 Hecuba’s daughter

But they have to be within 100 light years from us to receive those signals. So any civilizations at a farther distance probably won’t get them until long after we’ve totally destroyed our civilization and possibly our planet.

Actually it could be anywhere within around 105 light years in every direction. This of the Earth in the center of an elongated sphere moving around the Sun and the Solar system moving thru the galaxy. So it’s approximately an elongated sphere measuring a total of around 210 light years.

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darthstar  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:05:27pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:05:36pm

re: #43 The Pie Overlord!

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Yertle’s goal is easy to understand: Snuff out the president’s agenda by removing reconciliation as a tool to use. With Sinema & Manchin as willing accomplices because without reconciliation the only bill that will get even a fraction of the BBB agenda passed before the midterms is the “bipartisan” infrastructure bill.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:05:46pm

re: #64 darthstar

It’s catsup.

You rang?
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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:07:37pm
…snip…

The term used for the sauce varies. Ketchup is the dominant term in American English and Canadian English, although catsup is commonly used in some southern US states and Mexico.

Tomato sauce is more common in English-speaking countries outside North America. In Canada and the US tomato sauce is not a synonym for ketchup but an ingredient made from tomatoes and commonly used in making sauce for pasta.

Red sauce is the term used in Welsh English, Scottish English, Ulster English and some parts of England, such as the Black Country, and in South London, contrasting with brown sauce[citation needed]. In Canadian and American English, “red sauce” refers to various tomato-based sauces like marinara commonly paired with pasta dishes, or in southwestern regions refers to red chile sauces used with tamales, enchiladas, and similar dishes, and is not a synonym for ketchup.

en.wikipedia.org

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:09:06pm

re: #45 Hecuba’s daughter

So a Bernie fanatic friend posted a FB comment comparing treatment of Puerto Rican nationalists in their 1954 attack to the kid gloves the January 6 insurrectionists are receiving. Have to say though — the situations are not comparable. The 1954 attack included the nationalists firing from the visitor’s gallery onto the House floor and wounding several congressmen. So the harsh sentences they received were certainly merited.

This was after they’d tried to assassinate President Truman; his bodyguard died in that attack.

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mmmirele  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:10:30pm

Right now I’m sitting on a line at work babysitting a bunch of people because

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darthstar  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:11:05pm

re: #70 ckkatz

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:13:00pm

re: #72 mmmirele

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:13:27pm

Steaks or Burgers?

Dad insisted that this was the only proper condiment!

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Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:13:42pm

re: #32 Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)

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The shittiest people are all pushing another James O’Keefe bullshit story today.

This is COVID disinformation. Report it.

This shit is going to get people killed.

So far everything I’ve seen indicates that the medical community is in agreement that “natural immunity” is unreliable at best. There’s no indication that it lasts appreciably longer than vaccines or that it remains as effective for the same length of time. And even if it did, there’s the two big caveats that not only do you have to survive a run-in with COVID to develop “natural immunity,” but it works just like any other virus in that said immunity is geared towards that strain and not all strains. Compare that to the vaccines which so far have shown effectiveness against the Delta strain if not to the same degree as the Alpha strain.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:17:12pm

re: #73 darthstar

Hunt’s? Heinz or go home!
;P

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darthstar  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:18:25pm

So our PG&E bill has been running us around $260 a month for some time now. My projected bill for this month was $261 (again) about $70 more than last year…I flipped the switch to using our battery backup and our projected bill has already fallen to $215 for this cycle ($150 already in)…I think I can get that lower before the 16th. And if the sun cooperates November will be even prettier.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:18:58pm

re: #75 JOE 🥓

Steaks or Burgers?

Dad insisted that this was the only proper condiment!

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I’ve tried the HP Fruity since I have heard people recommend HP and I found it in a grocery store. Not my cup of tea compared to other sauces.

Though I pretty much only associate ketchup with french fries. I much prefer spicier sauces or different condiments for burgers, sausages, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:19:01pm

supper

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:19:44pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

Christian nationalists tend to think that the body is a consummate piece of biological engineering, the ultimate refinement of God’s perfect design, and that anything the body (or nature) does must be strictly superior to “man-made” alternatives. This is demonstrably false, but if you demonstrate its falsity to them, they accuse you of witchcraft, atheism, or fake news, depending on the method of your demonstration.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:20:51pm

re: #77 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Hunt’s? Heinz or go home!
;P

We used to live a couple blocks from the main Heinz plant, had the best air pollution in 1950s Pittsburgh. It never became revolting.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:22:25pm
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:23:31pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

We used to live a couple blocks from the main Heinz plant, had the best air pollution in 1950s Pittsburgh. It never became revolting.

A complex, nuanced pollution mixing 57 different gasses into the air.

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:26:22pm

re: #81 Dopamine Fish

Christian nationalists tend to think that the body is a consummate piece of biological engineering, the ultimate refinement of God’s perfect design, and that anything the body (or nature) does must be strictly superior to “man-made” alternatives. This is demonstrably false, but if you demonstrate its falsity to them, they accuse you of witchcraft, atheism, or fake news, depending on the method of your demonstration.

And yet none of them resist open-heart surgery. Appendectomies. Hernia repair. Etc.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:26:38pm

re: #84 Barefoot Grin

A complex, nuanced pollution mixing 57 different gasses into the air.

And they made the perfect partner for fries or onion rings!

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:27:41pm

re: #84 Barefoot Grin

A complex, nuanced pollution mixing 57 different gasses into the air.

OTOH, the East wind came from the stockyards on an island in the Allegheny. It was bad, especially the night it burned.

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:28:40pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

We used to live a couple blocks from the main Heinz plant, had the best air pollution in 1950s Pittsburgh. It never became revolting.

Interesting, when I was growing up in Pgh, I always assumed that the Heinz plant was located along Carson Street near the bottom of the Mon Incline.

Of course, in between people telling me stories in the 1940s about having to stop and get out of the car to look for the white line in the middle of the road, I was always told that it wasn’t pollution, it was “ground fog”.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:31:25pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

OTOH, the East wind came from the stockyards on an island in the Allegheny. It was bad, especially the night it burned.

Yeah, that’s a different kind of hell. The closest we got was when the west wind blew strongly from Decatur, Il picking up the smell of processed soybeans. We could smell it sometimes 30 miles away in Champaign. I guess that’s why truckers on the CBs called it Stinky Town. (It’s a nice town with Millikan, a good private university).

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:31:31pm

re: #88 ckkatz

Interesting, when I was growing up in Pgh, I always assumed that the Heinz plant was located along Carson Street near the bottom of the Mon Incline.

Of course, in between people telling me stories in the 1940s about having to stop and get out of the car to look for the white line in the middle of the road, I was always told that it wasn’t pollution, it was “ground fog”.

This one was on the North Side riverbank, near Federal St. I start to remember PGH from about 1947—in black and white, ‘cause that’s what it looked like.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:31:40pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

OTOH, the East wind came from the stockyards on an island in the Allegheny. It was bad, especially the night it burned.

Oh I remember the “distinct” odor from Herr’s Island!

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:32:36pm

re: #52 William Lewis

After scanning their media: It seems they lack the will to use those tools though.

It’s sad how many species do not make it past that curve.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:34:09pm

re: #91 JOE 🥓

Oh I remember the “distinct” odor from Herr’s Island!

As kids we used to walk out on the short bridge and try to drop half-bricks on the masses of rats, with no great success.

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Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:36:34pm

re: #75 JOE 🥓

Steaks or Burgers?

Dad insisted that this was the only proper condiment!

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I’m a recent convert to HP Brown Sauce over A1. I love it on a burger with pickles and onion.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:36:43pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

As kids we used to walk out on the short bridge and try to drop half-bricks on the masses of rats, with no great success.

Memories of Irish Brand and Kahn’s bacon…Dad would only eat A&P Allgood thick cut bacon and when I quizzed him he replied…“Son, Religion and Stomach don’t mix!”

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:36:59pm

re: #90 Decatur Deb

This one was on the North Side riverbank, near Federal St. I start to remember PGH from about 1947—in black and white, ‘cause that’s what it looked like.

My grandfather talked about driving through Pittsburgh in the 1930’s. He said that you could see a huge black pall in the atmosphere over the town from many miles away.

My memories of Pittsburgh start from 1961 when we moved there.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:37:38pm

re: #59 JOE 🥓

Creepiest and most unnerving alien invasion short story: The Screwfly Solution.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:39:37pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

We used to live a couple blocks from the main Heinz plant, had the best air pollution in 1950s Pittsburgh. It never became revolting.

When I was going to school at Pitt (early 80s) the Nabisco plant in East Liberty was still operational and you could smell it as you drove by on 5th Avenue headed towards Oakland. Wasn’t over on the North Side near the Heinz plant that often to notice if the air smelled differently over there.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:39:53pm

re: #96 ckkatz

My grandfather talked about driving through Pittsburgh in the 1930’s. He said that you could see a huge black pall in the atmosphere over the town from many miles away.

My memories of Pittsburgh start from 1961 when we moved there.

I left on a Greyhound for NY in ‘62.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:41:08pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

OTOH, the East wind came from the stockyards on an island in the Allegheny. It was bad, especially the night it burned.

And that island is now a cluster of high-end condos and apartment buildings.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:43:16pm

re: #100 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And that island is now a cluster of high-end condos and apartment buildings.

Yep. Saw it on a sporting show where they ran a Bass fishing tournament. Fish in the rivers of old Pittsburgh were way too toxic to eat. Nature will bounce back if you stop fucking with it.

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steve_davis  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:43:29pm

man, that’s the second time i’ve bought something off Reverb and been disappointed. Fender strat that came without the tremolo bar. Went to all the trouble of putting new strings on because of the crap string-job, only to discover that apparently something is dead internally, because I’m getting absolutely no difference in sound regardless of switch position. I’ve rolled tone off both knobs: no difference. I pushed the push-push button: no difference. Well, screw it. Going back. I’ve learned my lesson and I’ll pick up a new or open box Player Plus off Musicians Friend. They can be annoying, but at least their gear works.

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:43:40pm

Just saw a bit of fallout from the Epik hack, the release of the records and data of the Texas GOP. Including their ssl key:

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mmmirele  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:45:53pm

re: #58 JOE 🥓

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:46:21pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Yep. Saw it on a sporting show where they ran a Bass fishing tournament. Fish in the rivers of old Pittsburgh were way too toxic to eat. Nature will bounce back if you stop fucking with it.

Growing up, I remember seeing folks fishing in the Allegheny River down by the Point. I could never understand why they would want to do that. Even watching the small boats speeding along the Mon and getting drenched by their own water spray had me shuddering.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:48:30pm

re: #105 ckkatz

Growing up, I remember seeing folks fishing in the Allegheny River down by the Point. I could never understand why they would want to do that. Even watching the small boats speeding along the Mon and getting drenched by their own water spray had me shuddering.

There was a distinct social divide marked by your family’s willingness to eat roadkill pigeons off Pittsburgh streets. We just missed being that poor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:54:15pm

re: #70 ckkatz

and then there’s red gravy

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:55:22pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

There was a distinct social divide marked by your family’s willingness to eat roadkill pigeons off Pittsburgh streets. We just missed being that poor.

Wow. I just found my threshold for White Privilege. The kids 100 yards up Wylie Avenue got the pigeons. Doesn’t seem so unbridgeable at that.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:57:11pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Yep. Saw it on a sporting show where they ran a Bass fishing tournament. Fish in the rivers of old Pittsburgh were way too toxic to eat. Nature will bounce back if you stop fucking with it.

I got the impression that the Allegheny was viewed as being much cleaner than the Mon. Obviously part of that impression was color since the Mon ran mud brown and the Allegheny much clearer in color usually due to the nature of their bottoms. Secondly was the higher concentration of industry along the Mon as compared to the Allegheny.*

I also recall a cartoon being published that had two panels:
1st: Two fish (carp and catfish?) swimming past underwater junk; cans, a TV, etc.
Labeled “Mon in 1950” or something like that.
2nd: Just the two fish swimming
Labeled “Mon in 1980”.

Carp has a balloon in the 2nd one saying “I miss the TV.”

* - There was obviously industry along the Allegheny since my father worked in a plant located along it. But Pittsburgh and a lot of communities pulled their drinking water from the Allegheny as well. Presumably many on the other side of the city and county might well as used the Mon, though I know for certain that the Youghiogheny (aka the Yough, pronounced “Yok”) was used as a drinking water source.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Oct 5, 2021 • 12:57:19pm

re: #105 ckkatz

Growing up, I remember seeing folks fishing in the Allegheny River down by the Point. I could never understand why they would want to do that. Even watching the small boats speeding along the Mon and getting drenched by their own water spray had me shuddering.

In the 1930s-40s my dad used to hitchhike upstream from East Liverpool, Ohio as far as he could toward Pittsburgh and then float with driftwood for miles downstream to back home, reading comic books (especially Terry & the Pirates, which resulted in my name, Terry). He died at 57 in 1984, of non-Hodgkins lymphoma and I would bet money that it was the river got him in the end.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:03:40pm

re: #109 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I got the impression that the Allegheny was viewed as being much cleaner than the Mon. Obviously part of that impression was color since the Mon ran mud brown and the Allegheny much clearer in color usually due to the nature of their bottoms. Secondly was the higher concentration of industry along the Mon as compared to the Allegheny.*

I also recall a cartoon being published that had two panels:
1st: Two fish (carp and catfish?) swimming past underwater junk; cans, a TV, etc.
Labeled “Mon in 1950” or something like that.
2nd: Just the two fish swimming
Labeled “Mon in 1980”.

Carp has a balloon in the 2nd one saying “I miss the TV.”

* - There was obviously industry along the Allegheny since my father worked in a plant located along it. But Pittsburgh and a lot of communities pulled their drinking water from the Allegheny as well. Presumably many on the other side of the city and county might well as used the Mon, though I know for certain that the Youghiogheny (aka the Yough, pronounced “Yok”) was used as a drinking water source.

A lot depends on the decade involved. There was a distinct visible difference in the night air and the water in the two rivers—The Mon was red for iron, the Allegheny had a lot of green for copper mills. From the top of Mt Washington you could sometimes see the colors persist along their side of the Ohio until it went out of sight past McKee’s Rocks. Pittsburgh got the environmental problems first and was forced to confront them first. Mayor Davy Lawrence led the way into “smoke control” before the word “smog” was even coined.

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ckkatz  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:03:43pm

I had some friends that lived in Eastern Westmoreland County in Hunker and Armbrust. They used to talk about folks they knew from mountain hollows further up and how roadkill was okay as long as you saw the car that killed it. Most of the time it was clear that they were joking. A few times I wasn’t quite certain, though.

They used to call those areas “Radio-Free Pennsylvania”.

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Sinistershade  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:05:32pm

re: #85 sagehen

And yet none of them resist open-heart surgery. Appendectomies. Hernia repair. Etc.

And they’re perfectly happy to wear shoes. Why aren’t their God-given feet adequate?

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:16:52pm

re: #113 Sinistershade

And they’re perfectly happy to wear shoes. Why aren’t their God-given feet adequate?

A bunch of middle age (and older) men (mostly) believing in a perfect intelligent design of the human body is a triumph of dogma over reality. Or do these church elders somehow, miraculously, don’t have prostate issues?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:18:48pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

A bunch of middle age (and older) men (mostly) believing in a perfect intelligent design of the human body is a triumph of dogma over reality. Or do these church elders somehow, miraculously, don’t have prostate issues?

It’s the devil trying to prevent them from enjoying the temptations of the flesh.
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:22:11pm
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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:28:43pm

re: #102 steve_davis

man, that’s the second time i’ve bought something off Reverb and been disappointed. Fender strat that came without the tremolo bar. Went to all the trouble of putting new strings on because of the crap string-job, only to discover that apparently something is dead internally, because I’m getting absolutely no difference in sound regardless of switch position. I’ve rolled tone off both knobs: no difference. I pushed the push-push button: no difference. Well, screw it. Going back. I’ve learned my lesson and I’ll pick up a new or open box Player Plus off Musicians Friend. They can be annoying, but at least their gear works.

That sucks.

I haven’t bought anything off of Reverb since January, a Fret-King T-style that I bought used.

Reverb has kinda lost its shine since Etsy bought it. I stopped selling altogether when they started asking for my bank account number. That ain’t happening, see ya.

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No Malarkey!  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:32:05pm

My wife’s anti-vaxxer cousin survived his bout with covid, but he is still suffering. He hasn’t posted anything about vaccines since he got sick.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:34:24pm

re: #118 No Malarkey!

My wife’s anti-vaxxer cousin survived his bout with covid, but he is still suffering. He hasn’t posted anything about vaccines since he got sick.

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:34:46pm

Other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?

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William Lewis  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:36:08pm

re: #102 steve_davis

Got a couple things there when it was new but haven’t in awhile. Good to know not to go back.

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darthstar  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:38:17pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

OTOH, the East wind came from the stockyards on an island in the Allegheny. It was bad, especially the night it burned.

I read a while back that people who live near the Sri Racha plant in the LA basin get some pretty intense fumes at times…

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:39:19pm

re: #122 darthstar

I read a while back that people who live near the Sri Racha plant in the LA basin get some pretty intense fumes at times…

There’s probably actual permissible limits for some of that stuff.

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darthstar  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:40:05pm

re: #118 No Malarkey!

My wife’s anti-vaxxer cousin survived his bout with covid, but he is still suffering. He hasn’t posted anything about vaccines since he got sick.

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He sounds like the poster boy for acquired immunity.

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darthstar  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:42:48pm

Hang on…Mike Pence just defended Jan 6 on Hannity? WTF?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:46:30pm

re: #116 The Pie Overlord!

JFC. This can’t be legal, can it?

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:49:17pm

re: #125 darthstar

Hang on…Mike Pence just defended Jan 6 on Hannity? WTF?

Pence is running for President — and somehow he thinks he has some chance at the nomination. So many candidates are truly deluded about their appeal to the voters, both the primary voters and the general election voters, two distinct audiences. Maybe his success on the radio has made him think that he can attract the same crowd when he appears on television.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:51:54pm

re: #11 ckkatz

The NYPD SBA’s president has been very active in rwnj politics. His home was also raided. I do not know how much, if at all, the recent revelations about multiple NYPD officers also being in the OathKeepers and 3%’ers played a role.

Often though, it ends being some crass money matter.

It took a “crass money matter” to bring down Al Capone

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:52:32pm

re: #19 ckkatz

Hollywood production workers authorize strike, setting up industry showdown over streaming profits

washingtonpost.com

Time to ramp up the Reality Shows again!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:55:39pm

re: #43 The Pie Overlord!

Still trying to process the fact that Mitch McConnell’s nearly every alcoholic’s actual position on the debt ceiling drinking is that it needs to be raised, is time to quit but he won’t do it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:57:29pm

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Time to ramp up the Reality Shows again!!!

Put a bunch of MAGAts in a diner and let them beat the crap out of each other to win money.

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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:57:51pm

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2021 • 1:58:35pm

re: #127 Hecuba’s daughter

Pence is running for President — and somehow he thinks he has some chance at the nomination. So many candidates are truly deluded about their appeal to the voters, both the primary voters and the general election voters, two distinct audiences. Maybe his success on the radio has made him think that he can attract the same crowd when he appears on television.

The GOP will have none but Trump.

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:00:03pm

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Time to ramp up the Reality Shows again!!!

won’t help.

The reality shows could fill in during the writers strike, but this is camera operators, lighting, electricians, building and moving sets, hair and makeup, etc. All the technical stuff.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:02:04pm

re: #134 sagehen

won’t help.

The reality shows could fill in during the writers strike, but this is camera operators, lighting, electricians, building and moving sets, hair and makeup, etc. All the technical stuff.

Total reality shows filmed on iPhones and Zoom cameras.

The networks will resort to that before they raise wages or improve working conditions.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:03:42pm

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Time to ramp up the Reality Shows again!!!

Just imagine ZOOM versions of Password, To Tell The Truth, I’ve Got A Secret…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:03:55pm

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JC1  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:05:32pm

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Total reality shows filmed on iPhones and Zoom cameras.

The networks will resort to that before they raise wages or improve working conditions.

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon,etc are throwing so much cash at new projects that raises shouldn’t be a problem. We’ll see though.

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BeachDem  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:06:08pm

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC. This can’t be legal, can it?

“As appalling and offensive as the neighbors’ behaviors are, the city attorney and Virginia magistrates have separately determined that the actions reported thus far did not rise to the level that Virginia law defines as criminal behavior,” police said Thursday…

After receiving little help from the police, Martinez took her case to the local magistrate, which was “a little more compassionate” but told her that if the man did not threaten the family or pose bodily harm, there was nothing that could be done.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:08:37pm

What a damn mess.
cdc.gov
Yes vaccines are better.

medrxiv.org
No they don’t last as long.

immunology.org
Maybe, but get your vaccine

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:09:31pm

re: #139 BeachDem

“As appalling and offensive as the neighbors’ behaviors are, the city attorney and Virginia magistrates have separately determined that the actions reported thus far did not rise to the level that Virginia law defines as criminal behavior,” police said Thursday…

After receiving little help from the police, Martinez took her case to the local magistrate, which was “a little more compassionate” but told her that if the man did not threaten the family or pose bodily harm, there was nothing that could be done.

But can they sue the neighbors for harassment?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:12:12pm

re: #141 The Pie Overlord!

But can they sue the neighbors for harassment?

They could get a loud porchlight rig that plays Battle Hymn of the Republic and Marching Through Georgia in rotation. Sometimes ya just gotta out-asshole them.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:13:22pm

re: #139 BeachDem

“As appalling and offensive as the neighbors’ behaviors are, the city attorney and Virginia magistrates have separately determined that the actions reported thus far did not rise to the level that Virginia law defines as criminal behavior,” police said Thursday…

After receiving little help from the police, Martinez took her case to the local magistrate, which was “a little more compassionate” but told her that if the man did not threaten the family or pose bodily harm, there was nothing that could be done.

If the guy came out and said it every day, would it be different?

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:14:06pm

re: #139 BeachDem

“As appalling and offensive as the neighbors’ behaviors are, the city attorney and Virginia magistrates have separately determined that he’s white.”

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:17:37pm

re: #116 The Pie Overlord!

Just remember what recently retired Pulpit Pimp makes Virginia Beach his personal fiefdom!

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:17:59pm

I met him briefly when he was a state legislator. He seems to be good.

It’s a tough district. Differs greatly from east to west.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:21:03pm

re: #142 Decatur Deb

They could get a loud porchlight rig that plays Battle Hymn of the Republic and Marching Through Georgia in rotation. Sometimes ya just gotta out-asshole them.

Or Cop Killer

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:26:22pm

Aw ssshhhaaavvviiinnnggg cream…CItizen app sends alerts that anti-vaxxers are overturning testing tables in Koreatown…idiots armed with ticks and bats…

149
BeachDem  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:27:11pm

re: #141 The Pie Overlord!

But can they sue the neighbors for harassment?

Followup

Peace at last for Virginia Beach family tired of ‘racist stuff’ blaring next door

yahoo.com

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:28:23pm

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Or Cop Killer

Ice-T- 6 ‘N The Mornin’

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:29:08pm

re: #148 JOE 🥓

Aw ssshhhaaavvviiinnnggg cream…CItizen app sends alerts that anti-vaxxers are overturning testing tables in Koreatown…idiots armed with ticks and bats…

Andy Ngo again?

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:29:50pm

[…]

During the pandemic, as the federal government put in place eviction and foreclosure moratoriums, we’ve realized that houselessness and that vicious cycle of eviction are political choices that we’ve been making all along. Our housing system is designed to generate profit, not to provide shelter and safety and community for people.

[…]

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:33:14pm

re: #148 JOE 🥓

Aw ssshhhaaavvviiinnnggg cream…CItizen app sends alerts that anti-vaxxers are overturning testing tables in Koreatown…idiots armed with ticks and bats…

154
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:33:23pm

re: #152 wrenchwench

During the pandemic, as the federal government put in place eviction and foreclosure moratoriums, we’ve realized that houselessness and that vicious cycle of eviction are political choices that we’ve been making all along. Our housing system is designed to generate profit, not to provide shelter and safety and community for people.

Real Estate is a commodity to be bought and sold, as are foodstuffs, labor, health care and education.

Remember, “Americans don’t want Socialism”, they want a Free Market system in which everything is an unregulated commodity.

155
jaunte  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:34:17pm
156
So Cal Greek Hippie  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:37:17pm

re: #142 Decatur Deb

Just keep going outside every 15 minutes some weeknight between midnight and three am. The other neighbors will notice the third time it happens

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:37:24pm

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

During the pandemic, as the federal government put in place eviction and foreclosure moratoriums, we’ve realized that houselessness and that vicious cycle of eviction are political choices that we’ve been making all along. Our housing system is designed to generate profit, not to provide shelter and safety and community for people.

Real Estate is a commodity to be bought and sold, as is labor, health care and education.

Remember, “Americans don’t want Socialism”, they want a Free Market system in which everything is an unregulated commodity.

The only constant is change. The pandemic has revealed how changeable things are. Like the much over-sold and under-delivered ‘American Dream’. Let’s wake up and dream up a new way.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:38:46pm

re: #153 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Sure is interesting how that Explore Talent Company is linked to so many Nazis!

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:39:27pm

“Please stop throwing plastic at me.”

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jeffreyw  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:41:00pm

re: #86 JOE 🥓

And they made the perfect partner for fries or onion rings!

[Embedded content]

I like the chili sauce, makes the perfect cocktail sauce base. I have no idea why, but the battalion mess at the firebase in VN had the chili sauce but no ketchup and I missed it.

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retired cynic  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:43:27pm

re: #86 JOE 🥓

And they made the perfect partner for fries or onion rings!

[Embedded content]

My family always swore by Brooks catsup. I haven’t been able to find it for years. When I was young and doing a lot of cooking and gardening, I made my own catsup, which was thick and dark and really yummy. I guess it was my favorite, with Brooks #2.

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retired cynic  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:45:50pm

re: #89 Barefoot Grin

Yeah, that’s a different kind of hell. The closest we got was when the west wind blew strongly from Decatur, Il picking up the smell of processed soybeans. We could smell it sometimes 30 miles away in Champaign. I guess that’s why truckers on the CBs called it Stinky Town. (It’s a nice town with Millikan, a good private university).

Oh! The Humko plant in north Champaign! Oooh, we always knew which way the wind was blowing! Same as the plants along the north east of Decatur!

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:46:43pm
164
Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:49:11pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

They should start by firing the Hotel manager.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:50:43pm

re: #160 jeffreyw

I like the chili sauce, makes the perfect cocktail sauce base. I have no idea why, but the battalion mess at the firebase in VN had the chili sauce but no ketchup and I missed it.

My dad was just through basic training and on to a new base for flight school when WWII ended. I asked him why he never ate ketchup and he pointed back to that period when the only way he could eat the food was to drown it in ketchup.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:51:02pm

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

They should start by firing the Hotel manager.

A quick start is a good start. The higher it hits, the more memorable it will be.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:57:39pm

re: #132 BlueSpotinAL

[Embedded content]

A mushroom going as TFG for Halloween?

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 5, 2021 • 2:59:42pm

re: #167 Eventual Carrion

A mushroom going as TFG for Halloween?

Born for the role.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:05:44pm

re: #161 retired cynic

My family always swore by Brooks catsup. I haven’t been able to find it for years. When I was young and doing a lot of cooking and gardening, I made my own catsup, which was thick and dark and really yummy. I guess it was my favorite, with Brooks #2.

Grandma would make her own ketchup not only with tomatoes but with pears, apples, peaches and nectarines.

170
The Pie Overlord!  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:10:01pm
171
retired cynic  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:16:40pm

re: #170 The Pie Overlord!

Oh, tears! That is so beautiful!

172
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:18:43pm

Remember just a couple of days ago when BoJo claimed (I posted a link to the video) that the culling of pigs is a not-yet thing and may not happen?

Today:

Hundreds of healthy pigs culled amid UK shortage of abattoir workers

The slaughter of healthy pigs has begun on British farms, with farmers forced to kill animals to make space and ensure the continued welfare of their livestock, amid an ongoing shortage of workers at slaughterhouses.

173
The Squire of Logos  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:20:42pm

re: #170 The Pie Overlord!

That is quite wonderful. What an entertainer, what a voice.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:21:07pm

re: #172 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Brexit was such a great idea!! Brilliant!

175
sagehen  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:21:08pm

re: #152 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

So they’re going to start kibbutzim?

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:23:16pm

re: #175 sagehen

So they’re going to start kibbutzim?

Some ideas return because they never went away.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:26:49pm

re: #174 Patricia Kayden

Brexit was such a great idea!! Brilliant!

The sun hasn’t set on the British Empire.

It’s gone into permanent eclipse.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:28:57pm
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Belafon  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:28:57pm

re: #174 Patricia Kayden

Brexit was such a great idea!! Brilliant!

Racism destroying farming. Just like Alabama.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:29:32pm

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:34:41pm

re: #178 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Jimmy Hoffa?

Experts still digging for bones after partial remains found beneath Detroit sidewalk

Geraldo Rivera is beside himself with excitement.

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retired cynic  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:38:00pm

re: #181 Dopamine Fish

One of him is more than enough.

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2021 • 3:43:15pm

re: #148 JOE 🥓

Aw ssshhhaaavvviiinnnggg cream…CItizen app sends alerts that anti-vaxxers are overturning testing tables in Koreatown…idiots armed with ticks and bats…

A gang of assholes did that in Union Square in NYC yesterday. Seems to be the hot new tactic.

Arrest ‘em all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2021 • 4:03:32pm

re: #167 Eventual Carrion

A mushroom going as TFG for Halloween?

ALL THE UPDINGS!!!!


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