Elise Trouw: “Weird Bed” (Live in Studio)

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An Elise Trouw cover mashup of Radiohead’s “Weird Fishes/Arpeggi” and The Police’s “The Bed’s Too Big Without You.”
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// ELISE TROUW - WEIRD BED //
Elise Trouw: drums, guitar, keyboards, bass, vocals, loops & sounds
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145 comments
1
Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2021 • 10:50:01am
2
jaunte  Nov 27, 2021 • 10:52:44am

A nation looks up from its $1000 smartphone to gasp in shame.

3
PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 10:53:09am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Charles I do not have a twitter account. If you want you can tell them you know a R who not only has the same exact (or close) pot and who thinks it is the best thing to happen to cooking since Julia Child (she used them too).

4
Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:00:29am

re: #2 jaunte

A nation looks up from its $1000 smartphone to gasp in shame.

What’s that you say, Mrs. Robinson? Jolting Joes economy is great! Hey hey hey…

5
retired cynic  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:05:57am

Exonerated former inmate Kevin Strickland won’t get compensation from Missouri, so donors raised $1 million
washingtonpost.com

I hoped that would happen.

6
Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:11:07am

re: #5 retired cynic

Wow. Keep it classy, Missouri.

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prairiefire  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:16:35am

I’ve got that “I don’t have to leave the house today” psycho pandemic energy today.

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darthstar  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:18:08am

re: #5 retired cynic

Exonerated former inmate Kevin Strickland won’t get compensation from Missouri, so donors raised $1 million
washingtonpost.com

I hoped that would happen.

He was at 485K of a 500K goal when he was on with Ali Velshi. By the time the interview ended he was at 650K

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darthstar  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:19:45am

re: #7 prairiefire

I’ve got that “I don’t have to leave the house today” psycho pandemic energy today.

I’m at Saks on El Paseo on Palm Desert… worried I’ll be knocked out of the Little Drummer Boy challenge.

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prairiefire  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:21:07am

re: #9 darthstar

Is there a line for Santa?

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gocart mozart  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:28:50am
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jaunte  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:29:08am

re: #7 prairiefire

Same here, but modified with doing an inside woodburning project (coughcough) on a rainy day.

13
A Cranky One  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:33:12am

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:38:43am

re: #13 A Cranky One

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“I changed the GPS voice to ‘male’ because everyone knows women can’t give directions.” //////

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:47:31am
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nines09  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:49:13am

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retired cynic  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:52:29am

The 100 greatest cathedrals in Europe, as picked by Simon Jenkins
countrylife.co.uk

Simon Jenkins gives himself a daunting task with his latest book, Europe’s 100 Best Cathedrals (Viking, £30), which does no less than attempt to both explain and judge the masterpieces of western civilisation. Clive Aslet took a look and found a tome that will set readers ‘afire to go on architectural pilgrimage’.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:54:25am

re: #17 retired cynic

If Winchester isn’t in there, it’ll bring me down.

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prairiefire  Nov 27, 2021 • 11:55:55am

re: #12 jaunte

Same here, but modified with doing an inside woodburning project (coughcough) on a rainy day.

I remember that smell from shop class. I found a very well done Wood burnt Morel mushroom project that looked like a you know what and gave it to my Morel mushroom hunting brother for good luck. I’ll have to take a photo of it. The lady who made it proudly burned in her name in the bottom, I don’t think she realized.🤭

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2021 • 12:01:01pm

Winchester is in!
winchester-cathedral.org.uk

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mmmirele  Nov 27, 2021 • 12:01:40pm

re: #8 darthstar

He was at 485K of a 500K goal when he was on with Ali Velshi. By the time the interview ended he was at 650K

Now at $1,416,000 of $1,200,000. Damn Missouri. Damn the prosecutors who wouldn’t let him go.

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prairiefire  Nov 27, 2021 • 12:03:33pm

re: #21 mmmirele

We’re having a terrible time here. Civil War 2.0.

23
Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 27, 2021 • 12:07:28pm
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prairiefire  Nov 27, 2021 • 12:07:54pm

The racists are enforcing old sun down city code, Evangelical right wingers at every level of government.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 12:08:59pm

re: #23 Dread Pirate Ron

It certainly is.

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mmmirele  Nov 27, 2021 • 12:11:18pm

re: #20 jaunte

Winchester is in!
winchester-cathedral.org.uk

Cathedrals are a multi-generational project and, not to be entirely sarcastic here, a way of saying, “Well, yeah Jesus may return soon, but we’re going to build this FANTASTIC religious building that will take a hundred years while waiting.” La Sagrada Familia in Barcelona although a more recent example, follows this pattern. It was first started in 1882, Antoni Gaudi took it over in 1883, and it was consecrated in 2010—but is still not complete. In the middle of all that time, there was the Spanish Civil War and then the need to continually raise money. The basilica was briefly closed due to COVID in 2020. All the spires and thus the completion of the basilica are expected to be completed in, oh, about 2032, or about 149 years after the building was originally started.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 27, 2021 • 12:11:48pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 27, 2021 • 12:29:39pm
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Dopamine Fish  Nov 27, 2021 • 12:32:02pm

re: #28 Dread Pirate Ron

Would you just FUCK OFF already, you absolutely insane person. Nobody cares, except your fellow crazy people.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 12:32:58pm

re: #28 Dread Pirate Ron

Oy. They cannot stand (or sit for that matter) Joe. He is doing everything right and they are going to do everything they can to try to take him down and the USA too.

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gocart mozart  Nov 27, 2021 • 12:45:15pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:01:32pm

Here you go. It tickles me when Jim and I are on the same wavelength.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:02:35pm

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

It wants me to sign in. I do not have a twitter account.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:11:34pm
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jaunte  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:11:43pm

Mary Trump:

“… what’s in the bill? And why don’t more people know its details? There’s a lot in it, to be sure, but it isn’t complicated. The benefits include:

Universal and free preschool for 3 and 4 year olds

$300 per month, per child tax credits for 39 million families

Significant investment in clean energy which will create jobs and is actually necessary in order to save the planet for our children and grandchildren

Reduction of prescription drug prices

And that’s just scratching the surface. Instead of informing the American public of this, however, the media claim to be shocked that nobody knows what’s in in while focusing on its cost (over ten years) and Democratic in-fighting when 1) I don’t remember the last time anybody in the mainstream media complained about defense spending.

$726 billion for 2022 alone—an increase of $29 billion over this year and more than the Department of Defense requested. As for Democratic in-fighting, 96% of Democrats in the Senate want to pass Build Back Better. Only 2 Democrats are standing in the way—along with every single Republican.”marytrump.substack.com

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:13:40pm

re: #35 jaunte

Mary Trump:

I am going to stop liking the $300 child tax credit next February when my younger one ages out. //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:21:51pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:22:38pm

re: #28 Dread Pirate Ron

BREAKING: 186 Legislators from 39 States Write a Letter to the American People Calling for a 50-State Audit, Decertification Where Appropriate, and Possible Convening of the US House of Representatives (1/2)

That’s really good news, if only 186 legislators from 50 states are that crazy. I’d have expected 300.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:24:01pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

That is another way of looking at it.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:24:31pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dictionary definition of Sad Sack.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:25:53pm

Despite the ear marshmallows as a festive holiday touch.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:26:16pm

re: #40 jaunte

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Dictionary definition of Sad Sack.

Beavis has let himself go.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:27:39pm

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Here you go. It tickles me when Jim and I are on the same wavelength.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:27:56pm

re: #39 PhillyPretzel

That is another way of looking at it.

They could have found half the roster here in Alabama, with a little effort.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:29:06pm

re: #43 Belafon

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Wait until a can of corn costs $40.

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sagehen  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:31:54pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:35:54pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

That’s really good news, if only 186 legislators from 50 states are that crazy. I’d have expected 300.

Somehow New Hampshire was alphabetized after North Carolina and North Dakota. So far only one name. I would have thought more of the Project Free State crazies who are eating the Republican party here would have signed. I guess there’s still time.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:38:26pm

re: #26 mmmirele

La Sagrada Familia

La Sagrada Familia-The Alan Parson Project

From the Album “Gaudi” by The Alan Parsons Project - the last album under that name.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:42:39pm

re: #9 darthstar

I’m at Saks on El Paseo on Palm Desert… worried I’ll be knocked out of the Little Drummer Boy challenge.

I was knocked out of Whamageddon, Friday morning, 11:41 AM, Target, Danvers, Massachusetts.

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retired cynic  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:49:25pm

“You’re Gonna Have a Fucking War” - We Were Closer Than We Feared…
juanitajean.com

Several books, published and soon to be published, have reported how Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, fought a full time battle after Trump lost the election to keep him from using the military to attack Americans and even start a war with Iran to stay in power.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 1:58:06pm

re: #50 retired cynic

I am not surprised. I wouldn’t be surprised if DT started something to “discredit” Joe.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:02:52pm
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Ming5000  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:08:24pm

Regarding being forced back to offices. The replies are interesting.
Also, I just learned of “White Collar Privilege”.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:18:24pm

re: #53 Ming5000

Regarding being forced back to offices. The replies are interesting.
Also, I just learned of “White Collar Privilege”.

One of the replies was like, “lol I’ve done next to no work since working from home.” Good for you. I’ve actually been MORE productive at home, because I don’t have random gits wandering in the door of my bullpen wanting to bother me with random bullshit at random times and continually disrupting my flow.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:20:58pm

re: #54 Dopamine Fish

I’ve actually been MORE productive at home, because I don’t have random gits wandering in the door of my bullpen wanting to bother me with random bullshit at random times and continually disrupting my flow.

100% this from all the designers in my company.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:21:32pm

Plus the two more hours a day from not commuting.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:23:58pm

re: #55 jaunte

100% this from all the designers in my company.

The only thing I will say is that as time has gone on, I’ve gotten worse about staying focused in long teleconferences (or long stretches of multiple short teleconferences). Something for me to work on. But otherwise, yeah, I have gotten top marks from all my superiors as far as my ability to just get shit done.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:26:24pm

re: #57 Dopamine Fish

I’ve noticed a tendency in management lately to use teleconferencing as the new mode of emphasizing their leadership spot in the hierarchy.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:27:42pm

Reserved parking spots aren’t the status symbol they used to be.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:29:30pm

I don’t like our townhouse as a place to work. I lobbied to get to go to my office for a year, but was turned down.

I remember that John Cheever dressed in a suit and tie everyday, got his lunch, then walked out the front door around to the basement door that led to his office, and once there took off his suit and wrote in his underwear. Or at least that’s what I remember from a college English lit class. I bring that up because I did not do enough to create a “work” home as distinct from a home that is mostly separate from work (it’s not; I’ve always done a lot of work at home at night; but that’s different when you don’t have an escape route).

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wrenchwench  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:33:49pm

re: #60 Barefoot Grin

I don’t like our townhouse as a place to work. I lobbied to get to go to my office for a year, but was turned down.

I remember that John Cheever dressed in a suit and tie everyday, got his lunch, then walked out the front door around to the basement door that led to his office, and once there took off his suit and wrote in his underwear. Or at least that’s what I remember from a college English lit class. I bring that up because I did not do enough to create a “work” home as distinct from a home that is mostly separate from work (it’s not; I’ve always done a lot of work at home at night; but that’s different when you don’t have an escape route).

When the pandemic started, I offered to take a slicer and a scale and sell Boar’s Head from home.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:35:42pm

re: #61 wrenchwench

When the pandemic started, I offered to take a slicer and a scale and sell Boar’s Head from home.

We wrote on slips of paper our deli orders and were told an approximate time to come to pick them up off of the table (usually 5-10 minutes). I know that wouldn’t have made the workers much happier, but I thought it was a good system and should have been retained.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:38:56pm

Just heard a story on inflation/Dollar Tree on NPR in which a Harvard economist managed to say the words “labor costs” three or four times without mentioning who the Dollar Tree customer might be, and what they might do with a few extra dollars.

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gocart mozart  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:42:05pm
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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:42:13pm

re: #54 Dopamine Fish

One of the replies was like, “lol I’ve done next to no work since working from home.” Good for you. I’ve actually been MORE productive at home, because I don’t have random gits wandering in the door of my bullpen wanting to bother me with random bullshit at random times and continually disrupting my flow.

That’s unfortunately how I’ve been annoying the wife.

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sagehen  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:44:45pm

re: #62 Barefoot Grin

We wrote on slips of paper our deli orders and were told an approximate time to come to pick them up off of the table (usually 5-10 minutes). I know that wouldn’t have made the workers much happier, but I thought it was a good system and should have been retained.

At Zabar’s and Citarella, they made customers line up outside (painted feet on the sidewalk so we’d know where 6’ apart is) and only let in a certain number at a time.

Which meant we didn’t need to take a number and mill around the deli or fish or butcher counters, got served pretty much instantly. It worked out to a shopping trip being about the same amount of time, but without having to stand in crowds.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:45:28pm

re: #64 gocart mozart

I think I have her beat. I buy rye bread and it is $5.49 for half a loaf. LeBus has very good bread.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:46:05pm

I’m so sick of this “Biden is to blame, too” bullshit. Have any of these people actually engaged with anti-vaxxers and the so-called “hesitant”? I have. I haven’t in a long time because it was futility by definition.

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A Cranky One  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:52:31pm

I worked remotely the last 1.5 year.

Observations:

I tended to login earlier and work later when working from home since there wasn’t a commute.

Since a lot of communication was done via an texting type app, you could tell if folks were around easily if the didn’t reply relatively quickly.

Because my team was in multiple states and countries, being in the lab would have had no real benefit.

I didn’t have my time wasted by folks dropping by and chatting, or by folks coming to me for answers because it saved them time.

No time was spent going out for food at lunch time.

Bottom line:

For me, with my job at the time, it was much easier to hop on the company VPN when dealing with emergencies off hours.

The company got more time from me when I worked remotely.

It was far easier to accommodate my health issues when working from home, as well as being vastly more comfortable not having to worry about potential exposure to covid.

Since I retired in Aug the question is moot, but I’d have said no to returning to the labs.

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BigPapa  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:54:24pm

Milk has always been really expensive in Hawaii. $5-8 a gallon.

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EstebanTornado1963  Nov 27, 2021 • 2:59:11pm

re: #64 gocart mozart

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She’s full of shit as usual

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A Cranky One  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:01:19pm

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:02:48pm

re: #72 A Cranky One

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Precisely.

The dog will need to be fed, coffee made, dog walked, and those regrets will recede with each act and then it’s about 6am.

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A Cranky One  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:04:40pm

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Cheechako  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:06:07pm

Milk here in Juneau is $3.99/gal. If it’s within a day or two before the expiration date then it’s discounted by 50%.

Since we’re talking prices, gas up here is $3.54/gal. Gas has been between +/- two to three cents of this price for the last 6-8 months.

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A Cranky One  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:06:16pm

Yard sale treasures:

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HRH Stanley Sea  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:12:02pm

re: #76 A Cranky One

Yard sale treasures:

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Eeek

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:13:31pm

re: #33 PhillyPretzel

It wants me to sign in. I do not have a twitter account.

Just close that signin window and read on.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:16:07pm

re: #78 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

It still will not let me past the sign in. I will take your word for it.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:17:31pm

re: #65 A Three Hour Tour

That’s unfortunately how I’ve been annoying the wife.

Mrs. Fish is pretty good about not coming in during my work day. I’m honestly a bit disappointed; there are times I WISH she would come in and distract me so I’d have an excuse to tell my coworkers to fuck off.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:18:50pm

That four lettered dirty word is in the forecast for this evening.
weather.gov

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Jay C  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:21:34pm

re: #81 PhillyPretzel

That four lettered dirty word is in the forecast for this evening.
weather.gov

“Smog”??

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Amory Blaine  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:21:37pm

re: #54 Dopamine Fish

Ha! This was me when I had an office job. I’m the git!

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:22:14pm

re: #82 Jay C

Snow.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:23:39pm

re: #83 Amory Blaine

Ha! This was me when I had an office job. I’m the git!

*WHACK!*

And stay out!

/

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gocart mozart  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:24:48pm
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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:28:53pm

Decided to make a few pancakes this morning.
Mix was too thick, so I added water.
Mix was too runny, so I added mix.
Mix was too thick, so I added water.
Mix was too runny, so I added mix.
Eventually the mix was just right, & that’s how the family had about 200 pancakes for breakfast. ;)

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:30:44pm

re: #87 (((Archangel1)))

lol

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:31:49pm

re: #28 Dread Pirate Ron

[Embedded content]

Can I write back telling them to fuck off?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:32:01pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

The responses are glorious!

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:34:27pm

re: #79 PhillyPretzel

It still will not let me past the sign in. I will take your word for it.

Are we talking about clicking on a twitter link here and going to the linked twitter page? You do close the dropdown box by clicking the “x” in the top left corner?

What browser are you using?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:35:34pm

re: #91 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Safari. And I have no desire to get into twitter. Let’s just leave it there.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:37:21pm

re: #93 PhillyPretzel

Safari. And I have no desire to get into twitter. Let’s just leave it there.

Okay. I don’t do twitter either, but I like being able to read tweets.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:38:13pm

If you right click the date on a tweet click “open in incognito/private” that will allow you to browse the thread unmolested.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:38:52pm

re: #94 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Lorenzo the Cat, the Manksy and Bodega Cats yes.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:40:29pm

re: #95 Amory Blaine

If you right click the date on a tweet click “open in incognito/private” that will allow you to browse the thread unmolested.

Haven’t figured out how to do that when surfing on a phone or tablet, but there are other tricks.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:40:33pm

re: #96 PhillyPretzel

Lorenzo the Cat, the Manksy and Bodega Cats yes.

Bilbo the Good Cat Boy.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:40:54pm

re: #95 Amory Blaine

Thanks. I know. Right now I am more interested in forgetting about my bad purchase from amazon and this conversation is not helping me. I am still pissed from this morning and I are getting to the point of getting ready to pitch the computer out the window.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:40:55pm
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Amory Blaine  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:43:11pm

re: #97 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Try “long pressing” the date, it should bring up a list with the private browsing option.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:45:40pm

re: #100 Dopamine Fish

So, he’s going to OANN or RT, then.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:46:21pm

Der stormer.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:46:44pm

re: #102 Sherlock Hound

So, he’s going to OANN or RT, then.

More interesting to me is that Newsmax apparently has its own vaccine mandate, since, as we all know, Biden’s OSHA mandate is stayed pending further litigation before the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals.

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Dangerman  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:48:59pm

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:49:58pm

re: #103 Amory Blaine

Der stormer.

Or The Blaze,

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:50:00pm

re: #105 Dangerman

That is why I give $$ to PBS.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:51:47pm

One of the things I’m still trying to wrap my head around with machine learning is that 100% accuracy isn’t achievable in the cases where machine learning would be useful. One of the practice problems is on the CIFAR 10 dataset, which consists of a bunch of images of things like airplane, automobile, bird, cat, etc., ten total categories. I’ve been playing around with training a very simple dense neural network (no convolution at the moment). The best I have been able to get is about 55% accuracy. which isn’t bad considering random guessing would be 10%. The best right now, with the technology available, is about 80%.

Why it’s hard to wrap my head around is if I wrote a program that parsed a file and was only correct 80% of the time, I would get fired. They are entirely different problems, but accepting that I can only get up to 80% accuracy for these types of problems will take a little getting used to. And how do you say “Yeah, this is pretty good for a computer” in a situation where it could mean life or death?

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Dangerman  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:51:50pm
QAnon Believers Rattled After Kyle Rittenhouse Calls Extremist Lawyer Lin Wood ‘Insane’
Prominent figures in the far-right conspiracy group turned on the acquitted gunman after followers had previously embraced him.

With them it’s all or nothing

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:54:53pm

re: #108 Belafon

That’s one of the issues with artificial intelligence. It’s taking a computer - which is good at numerical processing - and trying to make it do something it’s inherently not good at - extrapolation. Human brains are extremely adept at this, but we haven’t really found a way to make computers think like human brains, and our best attempts are, as you note, riddled with inaccuracies.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:57:45pm

re: #101 Amory Blaine

Try “long pressing” the date, it should bring up a list with the private browsing option.

Sure enough. Thanks for the information.

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A Cranky One  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:58:27pm

re: #110 Dopamine Fish

That’s one of the issues with artificial intelligence. It’s taking a computer - which is good at numerical processing - and trying to make it do something it’s inherently not good at - extrapolation. Human brains are extremely adept at this, but we haven’t really found a way to make computers think like human brains, and our best attempts are, as you note, riddled with inaccuracies.

Given what I see of a lot of human brains, not sure this is a bad thing.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 27, 2021 • 3:58:37pm

re: #104 Dopamine Fish

More interesting to me is that Newsmax apparently has its own vaccine mandate, since, as we all know, Biden’s OSHA mandate is stayed pending further litigation before the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals.

I have the theory that insurers talk, and told them their premiums would go up if there was no vax policy. Or the other talents threatened to walk off if no vax policy, which would be rational in a TV studio.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:04:41pm

re: #112 A Cranky One

Given what I see of a lot of human brains, not sure this is a bad thing.

There are some things where the computer has learned to be more accurate than the average person. The CIFAR 10 data set is kind of simple in that the images are distinct. If you go to the more complex ones, like determine the different types of dogs, or the different types of power tools, the computer can actually classify pretty well.

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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:04:48pm

re: #112 A Cranky One

Given what I see of a lot of human brains, not sure this is a bad thing.

“So, whose brain did I use?”
” Abby … someone. “
“Abby … who?”
” Abby … Normal. “

I mean, I can’t be the only one whose mind flashed back to this exchange from Young Frankenstein.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:15:01pm

We went and saw Encanto. I enjoyed it, but (not a spoiler, but I’m hiding my view just the same):

I have the same critique of it that I do with Frozen: Both movies were too short. I think this one needed about 15 more minutes of storytelling to flesh a couple of things out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:16:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:20:38pm
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No Malarkey!  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:20:43pm

Man brought a gun to a family gathering and negligently shot and killed a ten year old. No charges filed, because it was an “accident.” Another child gave his life for our freedumbs.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:21:37pm

I like the title of Kos’s recent trip into the reddit’s tales of the unvaccinated:

Anti-vaxx Chronicles: Why don’t the anti-science, faith-only types go to church when they get sick?

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A Cranky One  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:28:38pm

To echo Stonekettle, there are no accidents with firearms.

I saw an article recently where a two year old shot his 22 year old father with a rifle.

What do all these types of stories have in common? A gun was left in an unsafe condition.

When do we stop treating these as tragic situations as accidents and start punishing the assholes responsible due to their negligence and stupidity?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:33:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:36:10pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:43:58pm

Mary is vaxxed

more on her TL

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:45:42pm

re: #99 PhillyPretzel

Have a Manksy pic

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JC1  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:45:57pm

re: #108 Belafon

One of the things I’m still trying to wrap my head around with machine learning is that 100% accuracy isn’t achievable in the cases where machine learning would be useful. One of the practice problems is on the CIFAR 10 dataset, which consists of a bunch of images of things like airplane, automobile, bird, cat, etc., ten total categories. I’ve been playing around with training a very simple dense neural network (no convolution at the moment). The best I have been able to get is about 55% accuracy. which isn’t bad considering random guessing would be 10%. The best right now, with the technology available, is about 80%.

Why it’s hard to wrap my head around is if I wrote a program that parsed a file and was only correct 80% of the time, I would get fired. They are entirely different problems, but accepting that I can only get up to 80% accuracy for these types of problems will take a little getting used to. And how do you say “Yeah, this is pretty good for a computer” in a situation where it could mean life or death?

Not disagreeing about your larger point, but the state of the art for that dataset should be over 99%. You should be able to get to that number with about 15 lines of code using fastai.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:47:51pm

re: #126 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks. And I am still pissed from this morning. This back bitting is really starting to get to me.

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JC1  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:48:30pm

re: #110 Dopamine Fish

Some ML models can’t extrapolate at all (random forests, for example). Deep neural nets can. It’s still pretty early in the game.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:49:06pm

re: #127 JC1

Not disagreeing about your larger point, but the state of the art for that dataset should be over 99%. You should be able to get to that number with about 15 lines of code using fastai.

That’s what I get for not doing the right google search.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:55:31pm

I would have annihilated these clothes when I was this little fellow’s age.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:55:46pm

So we’re leaving for our road trip tomorrow morning and it looks like the weather will be unfriendly all the way along the I-80.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2021 • 4:58:44pm

re: #132 The Pie Overlord!

Be careful and have a Happy Hanukkah.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 27, 2021 • 5:06:40pm

re: #121 A Cranky One

To echo Stonekettle, there are no accidents with firearms.

I saw an article recently where a two year old shot his 22 year old father with a rifle.

What do all these types of stories have in common? A gun was left in an unsafe condition.

When do we stop treating these as tragic situations as accidents and start punishing the assholes responsible due to their negligence and stupidity?

America: Where guns are King and fuck anyone who doesn’t agree.

Of the things I dislike about this country, ammosexuals are right near the top of the list.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 27, 2021 • 5:10:29pm

I started reading The 1619 Project today. Even though I thought I already knew a small part of this history (from my own historical reading, not from any class that I took) it’s gripping to see it all collected into one volume.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2021 • 5:19:36pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 27, 2021 • 5:20:18pm

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

America: Where guns are King and fuck anyone who doesn’t agree.

Of the things I dislike about this country, ammosexuals are right near the top of the list.

US gun culture is fundamentally unserious because it’s built from the ground up to create consumer fetishism: it’s not a tool, it’s a symbol of all the qualia you want to adorn yourself with. People conspicuously consume gun stuff to say something about who they are, which is an entirely separate phenomenon than actually using a weapon for self defense (or killing someone, for that matter). The humiliating part is that many of them are not only bad at using a gun for its intended purpose, but have so thoroughly steeped themselves in the myth that ownership itself is proof of savvy, bravery, aggression—all the things required to competently kill—that they cannot be trained otherwise.

This is so deep that we’ve started alerting the parameters of civil liberties—the right to own a gun and self-defend (modified by duty to retreat) has been bent to “Stand Your Ground” and an enormous cultural machine that explains away honor killings and negligent discharge—we now are debated the right to kill with impunity when we talk about the 2nd Amendment. Killing is now assumed to inevitable, the question is whether killing can be framed in terms of the qualia that gun culture narratives sustain. Shit, this is why Grossman’s Killology is treated like actual crisis-response training by PDs: he sells cops the idea that they’re warriors and it’s actually awesome that they can kill without hesitation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2021 • 5:21:57pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 27, 2021 • 5:25:35pm

A Kyle Rittenhouse fanboi….

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 27, 2021 • 5:26:24pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2021 • 5:27:03pm
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Sherlock Hound  Nov 27, 2021 • 5:27:53pm

re: #139 Eric The Fruit Bat

“On an AIRBORNE rolling torus!”
///

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2021 • 5:44:51pm

re: #132 The Pie Overlord!

So we’re leaving for our road trip tomorrow morning and it looks like the weather will be unfriendly all the way along the I-80.

Honk when you pass the Sharon - Hermitage PA exit. If I were at work and outside I might hear it :-)

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 27, 2021 • 5:49:06pm

re: #132 The Pie Overlord!

So we’re leaving for our road trip tomorrow morning and it looks like the weather will be unfriendly all the way along the I-80.

May you have a safe and uneventful trip.

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Danack  Nov 27, 2021 • 6:12:22pm

re: #108 Belafon

One of the things I’m still trying to wrap my head around with machine learning is that 100% accuracy isn’t achievable in the cases where machine learning would be useful.

There’s some cases where machine learning can be useful but I think a lot of the benefit for many applications are:

1) A computer can do it much cheaper

2) Any errors are not going to affect a company much, even though they might affect individuals quite a bit.

For example, training people to be able to evaluate mortgage applications takes a lot of time, and even once trained they can only evaluate so many applications in one day.

A computer, once trained, can evaluate many more, and a large number of the bad results are going to affect people who aren’t in position to complain:


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