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1 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 6:44:30pm

Well done LVQ. I wish it had been here when I first started posting.

2 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 6:51:42pm

Whose stalking the stalkers?

3 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 6:53:32pm

Bravo, Ludwig!

4 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 6:54:14pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

Well done LVQ. I wish it had been here when I first started posting.

You are very welcome.

5 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 6:57:07pm

re: #2 Jeff In Ohio

Whose stalking the stalkers?

Well that's an interesting question. In terms of keeping up with the serious decline of the right, we do look at the far right whacko sights they write at. I don't think any of us here actually really care about them - except those who have actually been threatened.

For me, I can say that if one develops a devoted following with them it is a little irresistible to see just how much they are hating on you. I will confess enjoying giving those cretins a tweak.

6 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:06:38pm

re: #5 LudwigVanQuixote

Well that's an interesting question. In terms of keeping up with the serious decline of the right, we do look at the far right whacko sights they write at. I don't think any of us here actually really care about them - except those who have actually been threatened.

For me, I can say that if one develops a devoted following with them it is a little irresistible to see just how much they are hating on you. I will confess enjoying giving those cretins a tweak.

Could I please repost a few of these descriptions on a main thread, giving you due credit of course?

7 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:07:34pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

Could I please repost a few of these descriptions on a main thread, giving you due credit of course?

Of course. Enjoy.

8 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:11:19pm

Outstanding work, I also wish I'd had access to this kind of concise summary of the history when I came around about a year ago. To those who complain about any attention being paid to these strange people, be glad you are not on the business end of one of their threats. To those who complain that the influx of liberals has driven "good" posters like these away, let your heart be not troubled...you are free to join this rogues gallery any time you like.

9 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:11:42pm

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

Of course. Enjoy.

Thank you, sir.

10 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:13:53pm

re: #8 bratwurst

Outstanding work, I also wish I'd had access to this kind of concise summary of the history when I came around about a year ago. To those who complain about any attention being paid to these strange people, be glad you are not on the business end of one of their threats. To those who complain that the influx of liberals has driven "good" posters like these away, let your heart be not troubled...you are free to join this rogues gallery any time you like.

That is true. The stuff they write would peel paint.

11 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:31:25pm

re: #8 bratwurst

Outstanding work, I also wish I'd had access to this kind of concise summary of the history when I came around about a year ago. To those who complain about any attention being paid to these strange people, be glad you are not on the business end of one of their threats. To those who complain that the influx of liberals has driven "good" posters like these away, let your heart be not troubled...you are free to join this rogues gallery any time you like.


Heh.

One point LVQ left out of his otherwise admirable summary: Most of those folks have been banned for YEARS, and yet they still obsess over LGF every day. They continuously post not just about Charles, but about posters who joined years after their banning-- so, people with whom they've never had any contact with whatsoever.

I think those points are crucial to understanding the depth of their obsession.

12 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:34:15pm

re: #11 iceweasel

Heh.

One point LVQ left out of his otherwise admirable summary: Most of those folks have been banned for YEARS, and yet they still obsess over LGF every day. They continuously post not just about Charles, but about posters who joined years after their banning-- so, people with whom they've never had any contact with whatsoever.

I think those points are crucial to understanding the depth of their obsession.

As ever, Ice, Spot On.

13 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:36:54pm

re: #11 iceweasel

Heh.

One point LVQ left out of his otherwise admirable summary: Most of those folks have been banned for YEARS, and yet they still obsess over LGF every day. They continuously post not just about Charles, but about posters who joined years after their banning-- so, people with whom they've never had any contact with whatsoever.

I think those points are crucial to understanding the depth of their obsession.

Yes this is an excellent point. Many of them seem to have no other existence than to spew hate on the inter webs. When they thought that they could spew hate at LGF they were happy here. When they found out that they could not, ever since them, they have fixated. Some Psychology PhD seriously needs to do a thesis on this behavior.

14 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:46:44pm

re: #13 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes this is an excellent point. Many of them seem to have no other existence than to spew hate on the inter webs. When they thought that they could spew hate at LGF they were happy here. When they found out that they could not, ever since them, they have fixated. Some Psychology PhD seriously needs to do a thesis on this behavior.

Internet psych= wide, wide open field for research, and only going to grow.
I finally checked out the whole NPR piece CJ posted yesterday about anon commenters-- highly recommend.

15 zora  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:52:27pm

at first glance the idea of giving stalkers attention appeared counter productive. but this was very informative. i've only been a lizard about six months and it cleared up a lot.

16 Irenicum  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:53:12pm

Ludwig, this was an excellent and valuable tutorial for those of us who haven't been here since the beginning. I've been around a little over a year now, so I recognize a few names from when they were still lizards. But others obviously flew the coop before me. Thanks for this public service. Well done.

17 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:53:21pm

re: #15 zora

at first glance the idea of giving stalkers attention appeared counter productive. but this was very informative. i've only been a lizard about six months and it cleared up a lot.

That was the idea. Thank you.

18 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:53:54pm

re: #16 Irenicum

Ludwig, this was an excellent and valuable tutorial for those of us who haven't been here since the beginning. I've been around a little over a year now, so I recognize a few names from when they were still lizards. But others obviously flew the coop before me. Thanks for this public service. Well done.

Thank you. I exist to serve.

19 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:55:01pm

re: #15 zora

at first glance the idea of giving stalkers attention appeared counter productive. but this was very informative. i've only been a lizard about six months and it cleared up a lot.

I do like it being confined to a page and the comments on a page, so it doesn't distract from other issues in the main thread.
And of course new people are going to have questions about it, so it's very helpful to have a permanent recap in place we can direct people towards.

20 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:55:47pm

re: #18 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank you. I exist to serve.

HA!
:)

21 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:56:58pm

re: #14 iceweasel

Internet psych= wide, wide open field for research, and only going to grow.
I finally checked out the whole NPR piece CJ posted yesterday about anon commenters-- highly recommend.

It is very instructive to notice how many of them have wolves and military logos as their little nic photos. They are after all, such dashing screen berets in their own minds. The psychology is so basic. These really are downtrodden losers filled with fer and rage, making gross overcompensations for their perceived, and in most cases, very real lack of manhood.

Men who have it together do not greet the world with lame threat displays.

Toadies who are routinely laughed at for being belligerent fools and shown their impotence in a world which is beyond their grasp, control or understanding do.

22 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:58:02pm

re: #19 iceweasel

I do like it being confined to a page and the comments on a page, so it doesn't distract from other issues in the main thread.
And of course new people are going to have questions about it, so it's very helpful to have a permanent recap in place we can direct people towards.

Ice, please, tell a Mullah Buzzsaw story. Hoops tell your story. RP tell them a story. LEt the new folks see this from other views as well.

23 Nimed  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:00:20pm

re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote

Ice, please, tell a Mullah Buzzsaw story. Hoops tell your story. RP tell them a story. LEt the new folks see this from other views as well.

Hey you. Now that you've been properly complemented, may I suggest two additions to the page?

24 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:01:38pm

re: #23 Nimed

Hey you. Now that you've been properly complemented, may I suggest two additions to the page?

Please do!

25 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:02:18pm

re: #20 iceweasel

HA!
:)

Well I do have my beautiful servants as well ;)

26 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:03:14pm

I've been a member of LGF since the fall of 2008 so I recognize a number of the names. As time went on, they started spinning wildly and flew off the rails and I took a break from the site. When I came back, I found most of them had either flounced or been banned.

It was somewhat difficult to adjust to the "new" LGF since I had agreed politically with many of the "old" posters who were now gone and the politics of the site seemed to have shifted. That difficulty ended with the first AGW and evolution threads I read.

No matter my disagreement with the politics of many liberals here, it's not they who are the anti-science, Nazi-embracing, kooky tea partiers who have destroyed the GOP and rendered our two-party system inoperable.

I don't know that giving stalkers attention is the best idea but it's not my call to make and it's certainly possible that newer lizards need a scorecard to keep track of them.

27 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:04:37pm

re: #21 LudwigVanQuixote

It is very instructive to notice how many of them have wolves and military logos as their little nic photos. They are after all, such dashing screen berets in their own minds. The psychology is so basic. These really are downtrodden losers filled with fer and rage, making gross overcompensations for their perceived, and in most cases, very real lack of manhood.

Men who have it together do not greet the world with lame threat displays.

Toadies who are routinely laughed at for being belligerent fools and shown their impotence in a world which is beyond their grasp, control or understanding do.

That's pretty much the case for any of the sites in the fever swamps of the right, not just the stalkers of LGF. Really laughable avatars, claims of military prowess, -- Jimmah and I will do a series of posts in the future focusing solely on wingnut fantasies. Specifically, the fantasies they post that always start out with them being 'threatened' in some way and 'fighting off' libs or attackers--always presented as a true story and personal experience, yet always very clearly esprit de l'escalier --at best.
It's an entire wingnut genre, and one which needs recording.

I assume you have read this or run across it before-- slight tangent, but not entirely:
Male Fantasies: Volume 1: Women, Floods, Bodies, History

Theweleit studies the art and literature of a particular group of men--the Freikorps--who were essentially disaffected former soldiers in Germany after the First World War. These men developed their own groups and their own culture, and became the firsts-in-line to man Hitler's new army in the '30s (the Brown Shirts and Black Shirts).

Largely the sort of lit crit yadda yadda I have no patience for, but the basic idea is certainly sound-- and applies to these freaks as well.

28 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:05:30pm

re: #26 alexknyc

I've been a member of LGF since the fall of 2008 so I recognize a number of the names. As time went on, they started spinning wildly and flew off the rails and I took a break from the site. When I came back, I found most of them had either flounced or been banned.

It was somewhat difficult to adjust to the "new" LGF since I had agreed politically with many of the "old" posters who were now gone and the politics of the site seemed to have shifted. That difficulty ended with the first AGW and evolution threads I read.

No matter my disagreement with the politics of many liberals here, it's not they who are the anti-science, Nazi-embracing, kooky tea partiers who have destroyed the GOP and rendered our two-party system inoperable.

I don't know that giving stalkers attention is the best idea but it's not my call to make and it's certainly possible that newer lizards need a scorecard to keep track of them.

Alex, I have always respected you.

29 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:05:50pm

I'd add the following:

Coldwarrior: This man served with honor in the Berlin Brigade, but has since come to entertain dark thoughts about Islam. He has called for the forcible removal of all Muslims from the United States, notwithstanding the bloodshed that would entail. In so doing, Coldwarrior ignores that evil Adolf Hitler brought to Berlin, the very evil that led to him serving in a divided city.

30 Nimed  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:07:44pm

re: #24 LudwigVanQuixote

Please do!

Alright. I've heard these 2 referenced a number of times, so I hope you know them.

- Nodrog (it's an inversion of the name "gordon")
- Sharmuta

Now, I'm making this suggestions in this page instead of the main thread because everybody went sort of apeshit when I made a joke about Sharmuta (the name is in the urban dictionary), and HoosierHoops asked me not to bring it up again. So I understand this is sort of a delicate matter. But she (it's a she) does come up sometimes, so there you go.

31 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:09:17pm

re: #27 iceweasel

Largely the sort of lit crit yadda yadda I have no patience for, but the basic idea is certainly sound-- and applies to these freaks as well.

Interesting stuff. It's not a surprise the Freikorps flocked to Hitler, seeing him as one of their own being elevated to the top as a good thing (see the enthusiasm for war veterans for Grant and Eisenhower for US examples), as well as the only way to stop the Communist threat they has fought to eliminate. Sorry to interject the military history into the cultural history.

32 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:09:33pm

re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote

Ice, please, tell a Mullah Buzzsaw story. Hoops tell your story. RP tell them a story. LEt the new folks see this from other views as well.

Hmm. Well, Mullah Buzzsaw argued that biology is destiny for women, that homosexuality is a perversion, that there is a prima facie conflict between being a devout Jew and a scientist, that the pill and feminism were all about 'fucking for fun'.

Woman hater, homophobe, bigot, and author of about a hundred homophobic hate mails to Charles since his banning.

There is also a hilarious story involving his recent attempts to find "non-whorish underwear" and his invention of a nonexistent girlfriend, but that I'll leave to Jimmah. :)

33 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:11:15pm

re: #30 Nimed

Alright. I've heard these 2 referenced a number of times, so I hope you know them.

- Nodrog (it's an inversion of the name "gordon")
- Sharmuta

Now, I'm making this suggestions in this page instead of the main thread because everybody went sort of apeshit when I made a joke about Sharmuta (the name is in the urban dictionary), and HoosierHoops asked me not to bring it up again. So I understand this is sort of a delicate matter. But she (it's a she) does come up sometimes, so there you go.

Sharmuta is not a stalker. For a very long time, she was a fixture here. She left for a number of reasons that are personal and honestly open to speculation.

Nodrog was one of the original trolls of LGF, he was more of a classic troll than a full on stalker. He did briefly have an anti LGF site, but, to the best of my knowledge has moved on to greener pastures.

34 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:11:39pm

re: #30 Nimed

Alright. I've heard these 2 referenced a number of times, so I hope you know them.

- Nodrog (it's an inversion of the name "gordon")
- Sharmuta

Now, I'm making this suggestions in this page instead of the main thread because everybody went sort of apeshit when I made a joke about Sharmuta (the name is in the urban dictionary), and HoosierHoops asked me not to bring it up again. So I understand this is sort of a delicate matter. But she (it's a she) does come up sometimes, so there you go.

Nodrog I agree with including. Not Sharmua, though. She has not been banned and can post here if she so wishes. Also, despite some clashes here, she is not a malefactor like those Ludwig has chronicled.

35 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:12:15pm

re: #28 LudwigVanQuixote

Thanks Ludwig.

That means a great deal to me, especially since we haven't always been on the same side of an issue and I've noticed you don't suffer fools gladly.

I have a great deal of respect for you as well since, when I came here, I was an AGW skeptic and part of what led me to accept the validity of AGW was the science you posted.

36 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:13:49pm

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

Sharmuta is not a stalker. For a very long time, she was a fixture here. She left for a number of reasons that are personal and honestly open to speculation.

Nodrog was one of the original trolls of LGF, he was more of a classic troll than a full on stalker. He did briefly have an anti LGF site, but, to the best of my knowledge has moved on to greener pastures.

He returned to the topic of LGF during the Great Flouncing, but he never has appeared on the Stalker Blog. He is well to the left of folks like Rodan and would not be welcome there.

37 Nimed  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:14:54pm

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Alright. I could see that a lot of people really like her, so she clearly doesn't belong here. I was thinking more of a category like "names that newbies don't recognize". Thanks for the clarification about her and nodrog, guys.

38 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:16:51pm

re: #30 Nimed

Alright. I've heard these 2 referenced a number of times, so I hope you know them.

- Nodrog (it's an inversion of the name "gordon")
- Sharmuta

Now, I'm making this suggestions in this page instead of the main thread because everybody went sort of apeshit when I made a joke about Sharmuta (the name is in the urban dictionary), and HoosierHoops asked me not to bring it up again. So I understand this is sort of a delicate matter. But she (it's a she) does come up sometimes, so there you go.

Sharmuta is a problematic subject here. She hasn't joined any stalker sites, but she did harass me and a few other posters. It was extremely ugly and most people aren't aware of what went on.

Eventually some of it came out-- thanks to Sharmuta bringing it up-- and she's since departed.
Although sharmuta was a complete bitch to me, she is someone with a number of real world issues she needs to sort out. A few people here were burned by her, and Hoops is one of them.
Sharmuta is someone I did get to know somewhat 'in real life' off the blog, and her issues with me were and are entirely personal.

Be advised that if anyone here now claims to be a 'friend' of Sharmuta, and brings her up to score points-- they aren't people who are her friends, and they don't know her or care for her.

I don't like talking about it or talking about her because despite everything I hope she's doing well-- and frankly, being away from here is a very good thing for her.

39 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:17:16pm

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

She left for a number of reasons that are personal and honestly open to speculation.

No, they are not.

40 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:18:46pm

re: #39 iceweasel

No, they are not.

I was being polite. I have no desire to go into her personal issues.

41 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:19:13pm

I added Cold Warrior and M to the list.

42 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:21:13pm

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

I was being polite. I have no desire to go into her personal issues.

Neither do I, but I WILL NOT allow anyone to whitewash it or act like there's nothing wrong with her.
There most certainly is, and she did a lot of fucked up shit behind the scenes-- as you well know.

No need to bring it up or get into it. She had a meltdown and she's voluntarily departed to get her life together and that's a good thing for her. End.

43 Nimed  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:21:42pm

re: #38 iceweasel

Thanks for that, Ice.

44 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:22:38pm

And I added Rix

45 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:23:02pm

re: #42 iceweasel

Neither do I, but I WILL NOT allow anyone to whitewash it or act like there's nothing wrong with her.
There most certainly is, and she did a lot of fucked up shit behind the scenes-- as you well know.

No need to bring it up or get into it. She had a meltdown and she's voluntarily departed to get her life together and that's a good thing for her. End.

And I agree that's a good place to leave it. I still hope once she's ready she can come by and say hello, but that's up to her.

46 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:24:11pm

re: #35 alexknyc

Thanks Ludwig.

That means a great deal to me, especially since we haven't always been on the same side of an issue and I've noticed you don't suffer fools gladly.

I have a great deal of respect for you as well since, when I came here, I was an AGW skeptic and part of what led me to accept the validity of AGW was the science you posted.

You are not a fool and just because I disagree with you on certain points does not mean I can not respect you. A good debate keeps me honest after all. As to the science, the fact is that you do have an open mind and are the sort who can be swayed by evidence. That makes you ok in my book.

47 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:26:26pm

re: #43 Nimed

Thanks for that, Ice.

No prob. Hoops is a great guy. Even the people who have been wronged by Sharmuta here-- pretty greviously wronged-- don't want anyone to talk badly about her. (That includes Jimmah and myself)

That's why it's a touchy subject. And most of it went down fairly privately, on dying threads and out of sight.

If you see people claiming she was 'run off'-- they're lying.
If you see people wanting to bring her up, they're generally shitstirrers and often trolls who wish her harm. Ignore.

And the genuine stalkers absolutely hate her and have been harassing her for years, btw.

48 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:27:42pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

And I agree that's a good place to leave it. I still hope once she's ready she can come by and say hello, but that's up to her.

Doubtful that she will, and that's for reasons that are personal to her which I will not reveal, and have nothing to do with any commenter on this site.

49 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:41:29pm

I should also discuss zombie.

Zombie is a very special case. She, and I have no problem calling her a she, used to be a very large contributor to LGF. This was not just as a commenter, but as a producer of subject matter.

To her credit, she has a sharp eye for fauxtography and an above average intellect.

To her detriment, she is mad as a hatter. She is seriously convinced that some are genetically more clevre than others, homophobic to the extreme and not above making false reports of her own. She embarrassed Charles with some highly exaggerated reporting of events in San Fransisco once.

She never actually flounced, but, she did have many of the whackos posting at her blog and has since turned into her own special brand of loony. Though courted by the stalkers she never quite joined them and has an enigmatic status with them now as a sometimes saint of LGF hatred, but is not exactly a fellow traveler with them in all respects. She is, as always, her own brand of nuts.

50 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:43:50pm

Gus, tell a story.. You know you want to.

51 Gus  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:47:39pm

re: #50 LudwigVanQuixote

Gus, tell a story.. You know you want to.

Maybe. Let me think about it.

In the mean time hats off for this thread!

52 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:50:28pm

re: #49 LudwigVanQuixote

I should also discuss zombie.

Zombie is a very special case. She, and I have no problem calling her a she, used to be a very large contributor to LGF. This was not just as a commenter, but as a producer of subject matter.

To her credit, she has a sharp eye for fauxtography and an above average intellect.

To her detriment, she is mad as a hatter. She is seriously convinced that some are genetically more clevre than others, homophobic to the extreme and not above making false reports of her own. She embarrassed Charles with some highly exaggerated reporting of events in San Fransisco once.

She never actually flounced, but, she did have many of the whackos posting at her blog and has since turned into her own special brand of loony. Though courted by the stalkers she never quite joined them and has an enigmatic status with them now as a sometimes saint of LGF hatred, but is not exactly a fellow traveler with them in all respects. She is, as always, her own brand of nuts.

Good stuff, but it does bear noting that a big part of the reason for Zombie's banned was her use of a sockpuppet as a claque to promote her stories.

53 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:00:39pm

re: #51 Gus 802

Maybe. Let me think about it.

In the mean time hats off for this thread!

Pants off? //

kidding!

54 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:01:35pm

you forgot to mention their "radio" show were they all get on skype and hoot and holler like a tree filled with angry racist gibbons about whatever it is that is happening over here.

55 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:01:45pm

*where

56 Gus  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:02:08pm

re: #53 iceweasel

Pants off? //

kidding!

Right!

Hey, that reminds me. Don't forget to Tweet this. And everyone else that has a Twitter account.

57 Gus  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:02:49pm

re: #54 SpaceJesus

you forgot to mention their "radio" show were they all get on skype and hoot and holler like a tree filled with angry racist gibbons about whatever it is that is happening over here.

Seriously? Are they using names too? lol

58 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:05:06pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Seriously? Are they using names too? lol


the entire "show" is usually about ludwig, but sometimes also about muhammed and barack hussein obama

59 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:06:37pm

re: #54 SpaceJesus

you forgot to mention their "radio" show were they all get on skype and hoot and holler like a tree filled with angry racist gibbons about whatever it is that is happening over here.

Ohh yes, the "voice of the resistance!" It is hard to comment on just how seriously pathetic this particular adolescent fantasy of being the tough grizzled "man in the walls" is. In this show they rant incoherently about whatever the outrage du jour is and Rodan occasionally vomits. No joke there, he really just pukes after drinking too much. Now that is quality programming!

Savage tries to sound intellectual, but he simply doesn't have the voice or quickness of tongue to speak well "on air." He sounds sort of like a middle aged supermarket manager, thrust into an interview on the local news, after saw something go down, but doesn't quite know how to describe it.

60 Gus  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:07:04pm

re: #58 SpaceJesus

the entire "show" is usually about ludwig, but sometimes also about muhammed and barack hussein obama

Guess we already know they're obsessed about Ludwig. Having heard that "radio program" I have to say that gibbons monkeys are better communicators.

61 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:07:06pm

re: #58 SpaceJesus

the entire "show" is usually about ludwig, but sometimes also about muhammed and barack hussein obama

Ludwig does get them worked up. They hate him because he goes right in after them and usually beats the whole howlin' bejeezus out of them.

62 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:07:21pm

re: #53 iceweasel

Pants off? //

kidding!

I am naked except for a cock ring... (name the reference)

63 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:07:28pm

Excellent piece, Ludwig. I've been here since 10-23-01. I remember all of these people and many others besides.
I had been involved in science and organized skepticism for many years before coming here, so I was delighted when Charles started to address the rise of anti-science on the right. Neither he nor I quite realized the extent to which this craziness had infested this very site though.
Among other things, it was very instructive to see the concurrence of anti-science and racism. Compromise is impossible with these people so there was nothing for it but to fight it out. Many, perhaps most, of the old-timers left but I think we are better off for it.

64 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:07:59pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel

Excellent piece, Ludwig. I've been here since 10-23-01. I remember all of these people and many others besides.
I had been involved in science and organized skepticism for many years before coming here, so I was delighted when Charles started to address the rise of anti-science on the right. Neither he nor I quite realized the extent to which this craziness had infested this very site though.
Among other things, it was very instructive to see the concurrence of anti-science and racism. Compromise is impossible with these people so there was nothing for it but to fight it out. Many, perhaps most, of the old-timers left but I think we are better off for it.

Excellent quote.

65 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:08:03pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Good stuff, but it does bear noting that a big part of the reason for Zombie's banned was her use of a sockpuppet as a claque to promote her stories.

That was a minimal reason. She tried to float some insane wingnut conspiracy theories here about Holdren and then about Alex Jones. He stooped so low as to claim that he had seekrit proof that Jones was a truther that he couldn't reveal without exposing his identity.

Charles rightly called bullshit in a polite way, and noted that if he ever tried such a move (I has proof but kant reveal it!) he'd be slaughtered by critics.

Zombie was so pissed off he buggered off to his own site-- and let many banned people post really nasty comments about CJ and LGF.

In the thread where this came out, and people were wondering why zombie wasn't deleting nasty anti-CJ comments, Charles BUSTED zombie reading that very thread-- using the sockpuppet zombie often used to talk up his own posts. (chicken kiev).

It should also be noted that Charles gave zombie money in the past for his ridiculous coverage of the DNC in 2008, protected zombie's identity always, and zombie's response was to turn his site into a hatefest for all the stalkers the SECOND charles wouldn't sign on for his new fake outrageous outrage.

Now, I never liked zombie and I knew zombie was a liar before I ever joined LGF-- even if you disagree with that, though, zombie really treated CJ abominably. No one would know or care about zombie if not for all the press LGF gave him through the years-- and this is how he thanked Charles. Phooey on him.

66 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:09:39pm

re: #65 iceweasel

That was a minimal reason. She tried to float some insane wingnut conspiracy theories here about Holdren and then about Alex Jones. He stooped so low as to claim that he had seekrit proof that Jones was a truther that he couldn't reveal without exposing his identity.

Charles rightly called bullshit in a polite way, and noted that if he ever tried such a move (I has proof but kant reveal it!) he'd be slaughtered by critics.

Zombie was so pissed off he buggered off to his own site-- and let many banned people post really nasty comments about CJ and LGF.

In the thread where this came out, and people were wondering why zombie wasn't deleting nasty anti-CJ comments, Charles BUSTED zombie reading that very thread-- using the sockpuppet zombie often used to talk up his own posts. (chicken kiev).

It should also be noted that Charles gave zombie money in the past for his ridiculous coverage of the DNC in 2008, protected zombie's identity always, and zombie's response was to turn his site into a hatefest for all the stalkers the SECOND charles wouldn't sign on for his new fake outrageous outrage.

Now, I never liked zombie and I knew zombie was a liar before I ever joined LGF-- even if you disagree with that, though, zombie really treated CJ abominably. No one would know or care about zombie if not for all the press LGF gave him through the years-- and this is how he thanked Charles. Phooey on him.

Quite Concur. I hadn't known all the backstory before now.

67 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:10:15pm

re: #65 iceweasel

Are you sure Zombie is a he?

68 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:14:25pm

re: #67 LudwigVanQuixote

Are you sure Zombie is a he?

Yeah. Sharmuta was convinced that zombie was a she, but it is not so.

Some other wacko who I don't even think was ever affiliated with LGF or the stalkers (prob a lefty wacko, if i had to guess) 'outed' zombie in october 2009.

69 windsagio  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:15:45pm

re: #68 iceweasel

Wish I'd seen this before, but I was out >>

Ice, at some point we should play the 'is she or isn't she?' game with the women on here :D Or maybe 'women' ;)

70 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:16:32pm

re: #68 iceweasel

Yeah. Sharmuta was convinced that zombie was a she, but it is not so.

Some other wacko who I don't even think was ever affiliated with LGF or the stalkers (prob a lefty wacko, if i had to guess) 'outed' zombie in october 2009.

Fair enough. Interesting then that a male would be so interested in hiding and obscuring his gender and then so homophobic. It explains much really.

71 windsagio  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:16:54pm

re: #70 LudwigVanQuixote

Are you new to hte internet? >>

72 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:17:01pm

re: #68 iceweasel

Yeah. Sharmuta was convinced that zombie was a she, but it is not so.

Some other wacko who I don't even think was ever affiliated with LGF or the stalkers (prob a lefty wacko, if i had to guess) 'outed' zombie in october 2009.

Well, supposedly outed zombie. If that stuff was true, zombie is a he. I don't care one bit which he is or who he is--- and I don't think it's cool to out people, period.
But I do think zombie was very bad news.

73 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:18:13pm

re: #69 windsagio

Wish I'd seen this before, but I was out >>

Ice, at some point we should play the 'is she or isn't she?' game with the women on here :D Or maybe 'women' ;)

Ice is definitely a girl and so are Floral, SFZ, marjoree, jamiesfirecat, fianna, nekhama and alouette. Other ladies whom I've missed, my apologies.

74 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:18:50pm

re: #71 windsagio

Are you new to hte internet? >>

No... just connecting the dots that you both saw so clearly.

75 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:19:11pm

re: #38 iceweasel


i always wondered what happened to that one. seemed like she was always the first to comment on every story, then suddenly no more.

...by suddenly it could have been several months or weeks of me not commenting here i guess.

76 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:19:38pm

re: #72 iceweasel

Well, supposedly outed zombie. If that stuff was true, zombie is a he. I don't care one bit which he is or who he is--- and I don't think it's cool to out people, period.
But I do think zombie was very bad news.

I personally think zombie was a she from the interactions I had with her. However, I could be mistaken.

77 windsagio  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:19:51pm

re: #73 LudwigVanQuixote

How do you know? Have you seen them IRL?

People are really good at presenting as female online, and alot of people get a thrill out of it.

78 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:20:00pm

re: #70 LudwigVanQuixote

Fair enough. Interesting then that a male would be so interested in hiding and obscuring his gender and then so homophobic. It explains much really.

Oh, zombie bragged here about a name he used to post under at SFgate. Interesting fact: if you check out the comments by that person-- all of them, not just the ones zombie mentioned-- you'll discover zombie was a misogynist and homophobe who trolled Violet Blue and Audacia Rae. (alt sex columnists).

So yeah, I had no prob believing zombie was male.

79 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:20:19pm

re: #75 SpaceJesus

i always wondered what happened to that one. seemed like she was always the first to comment on every story, then suddenly no more.

...by suddenly it could have been several months or weeks of me not commenting here i guess.

intra blog politics happened.

80 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:21:54pm

re: #77 windsagio

How do you know? Have you seen them IRL?

People are really good at presenting as female online, and alot of people get a thrill out of it.

Well I know a number of those ladies personally, and there is no way a man pretending to be woman would pretend to be a sweet Chassidic grandma - like alouette.

81 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:22:25pm

re: #75 SpaceJesus

i always wondered what happened to that one. seemed like she was always the first to comment on every story, then suddenly no more.

...by suddenly it could have been several months or weeks of me not commenting here i guess.

She buggered off for good when Charles was interviewed by the NYT and the piece came out here.
Lots of personal issues, she's sorting them out, and good luck to her.

82 windsagio  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:22:48pm

re: #77 windsagio

PS: Last thing before I go to work (but gonna borrow a clients computer to chat probably)

I know this from deeply personal experience. In total frankness I used to do it when I was young and stupid, its really easy, because people want ot believe it.

83 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:22:48pm

re: #79 LudwigVanQuixote

intra blog politics happened.

Uh, no, they didn't.

84 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:23:37pm

re: #83 iceweasel

Uh, no, they didn't.

You know exactly what I mean - someone who knows enough about her and that piece will put it together.

85 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:25:06pm

i am not fully convinced mandy manners is a woman

86 windsagio  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:25:25pm

psps: I'd bet money yoiu were right about aluette and marjorie tho', LVQ.

Just some of the others... present as false ;)

87 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:25:43pm

re: #77 windsagio

How do you know? Have you seen them IRL?

Men People are really good at presenting as female online to other men, and alot of people men get a thrill out of it.

Slightly fixed.
BTW, if you ARE a woman who posts as a woman on a political blog, or anywhere that places primacy on knowing your shit, it's entirely usual for people to assume you're MALE or accuse you of seekritly being a male.

Just sayin'.

88 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:26:02pm

re: #85 SpaceJesus

i am not fully convinced mandy manners is a woman

Neither am I.

89 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:26:07pm

re: #85 SpaceJesus

i am not fully convinced mandy manners is a woman

Actually, I think she is and I also would rather keep this pointed at the stalkers and not Lizards in good standing.

90 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:27:18pm

re: #89 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, I think she is and I also would rather keep this pointed at the stalkers and not Lizards in good standing.

sure thing. mandy and i just like giving each other shit, always have

91 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:28:07pm

re: #84 LudwigVanQuixote

You know exactly what I mean - someone who knows enough about her and that piece will put it together.

I think it's extremely important not to give ammo to revisionists and those who long to whitewash her. And you know exactly what I mean.

No, Sharmuta CHOSE to leave, and her reasons for leaving have nothing to do with me or any other commenter.

This needs to be stressed.

92 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:28:27pm

re: #85 SpaceJesus

i am not fully convinced mandy manners is a woman

Well, I am fully convinced you can be a jerk sometimes.

93 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:29:17pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Well, I am fully convinced you can be a jerk sometimes.

Hey, he is my extra terrestrial cousin. I have to stick up for him!

94 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:31:02pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Well, I am fully convinced you can be a jerk sometimes.

conservatives and things i vaguely associate with conservatism just make me angry sometimes on the internet

95 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:32:04pm

re: #94 SpaceJesus

conservatives and things i vaguely associate with conservatism just make me angry sometimes on the internet

As well they should. You should hate all space Sadducim :)

96 wee fury  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:39:27pm

LVQ -- It is good to be reminded of the banned. Thank you for posting this. I don't believe this banned poster is a stalker but, Bayou King was not a good person (Katrina era) . . . I would go so far as to call BK a big liar and a very good con artist.

97 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:41:05pm

re: #96 wee fury

LVQ -- It is good to be reminded of the banned. Thank you for posting this. I don't believe this banned poster is a stalker but, Bayou King was not a good person (Katrina era) . . . I would go so far as to call BK a big liar and a very good con artist.

I never interacted with him so much, so I can't say. But do tell.

98 Lidane  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:46:54pm

re: #11 iceweasel

Heh.

One point LVQ left out of his otherwise admirable summary: Most of those folks have been banned for YEARS, and yet they still obsess over LGF every day. They continuously post not just about Charles, but about posters who joined years after their banning-- so, people with whom they've never had any contact with whatsoever.

I've seen patterns like that on gaming forums, especially when it comes to MMO's. You'll have people who got banned from a forum or who quit a game in disgust ages ago STILL bitching and holding a grudge years after the fact. That has never, ever made sense to me.

It seems like such a waste of energy to keep harping on a website or an individual blogger that you've decided is an idiot and his readers all delusional, or whatever the hell they say about LGF these days. You'd think people could find something more constructive to do with their time.

99 wee fury  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:48:00pm

re: #97 LudwigVanQuixote

I never interacted with him so much, so I can't say. But do tell.

Charles asked (back then) that we not bring up the whole BK fiasco at LGF. BK was banned . . . along with a few of it's sock puppets. What I will type is that . . . Bayou King was a turd.

100 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:49:58pm

re: #98 Lidane

I've seen patterns like that on gaming forums, especially when it comes to MMO's. You'll have people who got banned from a forum or who quit a game in disgust ages ago STILL bitching and holding a grudge years after the fact. That has never, ever made sense to me.

It seems like such a waste of energy to keep harping on a website or an individual blogger that you've decided is an idiot and his readers all delusional, or whatever the hell they say about LGF these days. You'd think people could find something more constructive to do with their time.

Well said. The stalkers ultimately are a hateful subset of alt.nerd.obsessive - but with a wingnut twist. The hate filled echo-chamber is their social life. It's rather pathetic and of the same ilk of the WoW guy asked to function in society.

101 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:01:39pm

re: #98 Lidane

I've seen patterns like that on gaming forums, especially when it comes to MMO's. You'll have people who got banned from a forum or who quit a game in disgust ages ago STILL bitching and holding a grudge years after the fact. That has never, ever made sense to me.

It seems like such a waste of energy to keep harping on a website or an individual blogger that you've decided is an idiot and his readers all delusional, or whatever the hell they say about LGF these days. You'd think people could find something more constructive to do with their time.

It's extremely strange. I know it exists in other internet subcultures, gaming being a big and obvious one, but I truly don't know of anything else like this in the political blogosphere. WTF??

The closest analogy, and it isn't even a strictly political one, is the wierd culture around wikipedia, conservapedia, wiki-watch and conservapedia watch. THOSE people are obsessed, but wikis themselves attract the obsessive.

I don't know of anything like the LGF haters elsewhere in the political blogosphere, honestly.

102 Lidane  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:05:18pm

re: #100 LudwigVanQuixote

Well said. The stalkers ultimately are a hateful subset of alt.nerd.obsessive - but with a wingnut twist. The hate filled echo-chamber is their social life. It's rather pathetic and of the same ilk of the WoW guy asked to function in society.

I'd substitute any Sony game for WoW, myself. WoW nerds have nothing on bitter Sony haters. Seriously. There are people who still have a massive hate-on for Sony over some EverQuest expansion packs that came out back in 2001 and 2002. No, I'm not kidding.

That's who the stalkers remind me of-- the people who just refuse to let things go, even years after the fact. It's that sort of obsessive hate-on that defies all reason.

103 The Left  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:05:25pm

re: #96 wee fury

LVQ -- It is good to be reminded of the banned. Thank you for posting this. I don't believe this banned poster is a stalker but, Bayou King was not a good person (Katrina era) . . . I would go so far as to call BK a big liar and a very good con artist.

Is Bayou King some guy who allegedly stole money from LGF people who contributed to his fake "Katrina Fund"?

BTW, I have no idea what I'm talking about and don't mean to insult anyone. I think I read something about some psycho fleecing some LGF people, but I don't remember where, don't know if it's true, and it's something I would have heard literally years before i even joined here. (and maybe I'm thinking of some guy ripping off people on a site that wasnt LGF at all)

104 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:13:13pm

At over 100 comments, this thread is longer than some main threads have been. You sure hit the ball nine miles high tonight, Ludwig!

105 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:14:36pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

At over 100 comments, this thread is longer than some main threads have been. You sure hit the ball nine miles high tonight, Ludwig!

It is a fun topic. I am rather hoping that some more of the regulars come here and add their own experiences.

106 Lidane  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:16:01pm

re: #101 iceweasel

I don't know of anything like the LGF haters elsewhere in the political blogosphere, honestly.

[Link: redwing.hutman.net...]

Heh.

107 boxhead  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:19:58pm

re: #101 iceweasel

I don't know of anything like the LGF haters elsewhere in the political blogosphere, honestly.

Andrew Sullivan has his haters as well. Ex-Righties are reviled.

108 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:20:19pm

re: #106 Lidane

[Link: redwing.hutman.net...]

Heh.

This one too:

[Link: redwing.hutman.net...]

109 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:21:17pm

I added the following part to the main post:

One should also know about the socks. A favorite pass time of stalkers is whining about how they were ohhh so unfairly banned from here. Writing hateful crap under a second or third or fourth name will get you banned in a shot. You can read elaborate fabrications of their "innocence" over and over. "There are eight of us living in our apartment and we share the same computer. Me, my wife, my cousins elmer and Larry and our four pet possums. Well Baxter the possum got on one day, and I didn't do anything...."

110 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:22:32pm

re: #107 boxhead

Andrew Sullivan has his haters as well. Ex-Righties are reviled.

Well, unlike Charles Sullivan has done things to earn shunning. He went way over the edge on Iraq and in attacking George W Bush and his fixation on the maternity of Trip Palin was utterly disgusting. He's a good writer, but I consider Andrew Sullivan disgraced by his bad behavior.

111 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:23:08pm

re: #106 Lidane

[Link: redwing.hutman.net...]

Heh.

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

This one too:

[Link: redwing.hutman.net...]

Brilliant stuff!

112 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:25:52pm

re: #111 LudwigVanQuixote

Brilliant stuff!

This one too:

[Link: redwing.hutman.net...]

113 boxhead  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:27:11pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Well, unlike Charles Sullivan has done things to earn shunning. He went way over the edge on Iraq and in attacking George W Bush and his fixation on the maternity of Trip Palin was utterly disgusting. He's a good writer, but I consider Andrew Sullivan disgraced by his bad behavior.

Andrew's writing is definitely a brain dump. Not much filtering before typing. But for the most part I like his ability to reason in blog and change his views.

but yeah, the whole Palin is a bit over the top. But still, there are many who like that woman and her silliness should be chronicled.

114 zora  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:27:20pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

i agreed with him about bush. the palin thing is tiresome. it's not hard to see that the whole "went into labor, gave a speech, and flew to alaska to have the baby on home turf" seems like a big fish story. so what, the frontier women told a fish story. demanding to see the kid's birth certificate is as crazy to me as the nirthers. he should give up on the palin baby diaries, it's creepy.

115 Lidane  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:30:14pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

The Palin baby thing irritated and annoyed me and got tedious VERY quickly, but he was otherwise sharp in his criticisms of her, IMO. Plus, he's Catholic and is relentless in his blogging about the abuse scandals in the Church.

I don't mind Andrew. I take what I like and ignore the rest, pretty much.

116 boxhead  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:30:58pm

re: #115 Lidane

ditto!!!!!!!

117 windsagio  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:41:00pm

re: #87 iceweasel

No insult to you meant Ice.

Its trikcyh to talk about that with women becuase they tend to think you're accusing them :D

118 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:19:40am

re: #58 SpaceJesus

the entire "show" is usually about ludwig, but sometimes also about muhammed and barack hussein obama

It is so nice to have fans.

119 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 3:13:51am

Added Possum and Nil Stooge.

Possum. Possum thinks that women are asking for rape. Since they asked for it, he believes they deserve it. He has had multiple socks over here and takes a perverse pleasure in being a douche of a sneaky kind. Otherwise his entire raison d'etre seems to revolve around currying favor with the other stalkers by mocking us. He does not generally froth on the usual subjects to the same extent and is in general seen as a joke by his compatriots. This is why he tries so very hard to gain popularity by being exceptionally disgusting over here. He briefly flounced from the hate site after Bunk edited some of his drivel, then was laughed at by them and then came crawling back. If Bunk is the gamma dog, this one is the delta. In a world of imaginary wolves and dragons, this one is a possum.

Nil Stooge. This one is so obsessed with this site that he keeps stats of every posters karma and rankings with trends. I don't have a good read on nil stooge. On the one hand, the usual victim complex and conspiracy mongering is there, but on the other, his statistician like way of obsessing over us is truly creepy.

120 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 3:18:56am

Addendum to nil

Of course, his stats don't make very much sense. It is not as if his percentages add to one or as if his trends are well labeled. This does mark him as a simple dork as opposed to an intellect.

121 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 3:41:26am

Addendum on possum:

And just tonight, he came on as a sock appearance to abuse Iceweasel. It is curious that most of his socks are him pretending to be girls however. I suspect that he is deeply closeted.

122 The Left  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:13:50am

BTW-- in 65 I incorrectly referred to "Alex Jones"-- I meant Van Jones, obviously, NOT the prison planet/info wars/schizophrenic Alex Jones.
Apologies for any confusion, it was late and I was tired and sloppy.

123 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 8:01:05am

re: #122 iceweasel

BTW-- in 65 I incorrectly referred to "Alex Jones"-- I meant Van Jones, obviously, NOT the prison planet/info wars/schizophrenic Alex Jones.
Apologies for any confusion, it was late and I was tired and sloppy.

It's all good. I'm also on yahoo.

124 Interesting Times  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 8:45:26am

re: #73 LudwigVanQuixote

Ice is definitely a girl and so are Floral, SFZ, marjoree, jamiesfirecat, fianna, nekhama and alouette. Other ladies whom I've missed, my apologies.

jamesfirecat is a guy, based on posts I've seen.

And just for the heck of it, automatic upding for anyone who can correctly guess my gender based on my once-in-a-blue-moon posts :)

125 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 9:06:47am

re: #124 publicityStunted

jamesfirecat is a guy, based on posts I've seen.

And just for the heck of it, automatic upding for anyone who can correctly guess my gender based on my once-in-a-blue-moon posts :)

Just for that I will guess you are a girl.

126 Interesting Times  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 10:17:26am

re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote

Just for that I will guess you are a girl.

:D

127 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:12:46pm

Well I got the attention of the stalkers with this... And the reactions were completely predictable.

Rodent is calling me racist - he is so predictable - for thinking that Hispanics are just as worthy as anyone else, and that therefore there is no shame in not being white. Rodent, there is nothing wrong or lesser about people who are not white. You aren't. You've posted your photo on the net. Why do you hate yourself so much?

Savage is calling me crazy, for pointing out that he is crazy, but he was pleased by being described as the brightest of the lot. Savage, consider your company, that is not a difficult feat to accomplish.

TFK is comparing me to John Kerry - says I learned everything from him and otherwise being incoherent.

Iron Fist is talking about a cold civil war that will be fought to the finish with liberals and might turn hot - Ohh and he is a very tough ninja who has lots of guns.

Formercorpseman is whining that I am certifiable for doubting that a man with breasts larger than most fevered dreams of silicon was unlikely a marine.

Possum is ignored by the others.

Rix has howled with his terrible wolf rage.

And on and on. The really pathetic thing is that this little thread will give them weeks of things to piss and moan about. I am so happy to bring meaning to their otherwise empty lives.

128 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:22:05pm

Savage in a bout of manhood, read the thread where Ice was insulted and wrote a pathetic screed calling her every evil name in the book and hoping she was anally violated in prison.

Savage, listen, I know you hate her for being vastly smarter and better educated than you. I know you particularly can't forgive such traits in a woman. But that is how it shakes. You aren't so bright and women of worth want nothing to do with you.

One other thing, only the lowest and most sniveling of unmasculine men insult women like that.

129 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 1:15:19pm

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

It is a fun topic. I am rather hoping that some more of the regulars come here and add their own experiences.

It's linked over at the village of the banned, BTW...
And I know they just want a spanking!
LOL!

130 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:41:26pm

re: #127 LudwigVanQuixote

Rodent is calling me racist - he is so predictable - for thinking that Hispanics are just as worthy as anyone else, and that therefore there is no shame in not being white. Rodent, there is nothing wrong or lesser about people who are not white. You aren't. You've posted your photo on the net. Why do you hate yourself so much?


he really likes to be reminded of the fact that spain was ruled by arabs and berbers for centuries and that he more than likely shares way more in common with arabs genetically and culturally than he does with the original latins from italy.

131 The Left  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 3:32:24pm

re: #128 LudwigVanQuixote

Savage in a bout of manhood, read the thread where Ice was insulted and wrote a pathetic screed calling her every evil name in the book and hoping she was anally violated in prison.

Savage, listen, I know you hate her for being vastly smarter and better educated than you. I know you particularly can't forgive such traits in a woman. But that is how it shakes. You aren't so bright and women of worth want nothing to do with you.

One other thing, only the lowest and most sniveling of unmasculine men insult women like that.

The people here who use such names for women have lots in common with the wretched refuse over at the Village of the Banned.

132 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 4:12:36pm

re: #130 SpaceJesus

he really likes to be reminded of the fact that spain was ruled by arabs and berbers for centuries and that he more than likely shares way more in common with arabs genetically and culturally than he does with the original latins from italy.

Well that would explain his decidedly not white complexion. I really don't get why he hates himself so much. There is nothing wrong with not being white. There is nothing special about being white - or at least there shouldn't be.

133 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 5:50:53pm

re: #13 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes this is an excellent point. Many of them seem to have no other existence than to spew hate on the inter webs. When they thought that they could spew hate at LGF they were happy here. When they found out that they could not, ever since them, they have fixated. Some Psychology PhD seriously needs to do a thesis on this behavior.

I'm no psych expert, but my own read on these people is they suffer from two major problems.

The first is an inferiority complex. Christ alone knows why they feel so inferior to most other people but deep inside they believe they just aren't good enough. So they compensate by belittling others. It's the bully impulse. If you can't make yourself feel better, make everyone else feel worse.

The second, caused by the first, is a common but little acknowledged condition that I call anger addiction. Anger is a highly addictive emotion. It kicks in all the 'flight or fight' hormones and it's a real fucking rush. These people react to their sense of inferiority with anger. And they get addicted to that anger. Then they fixate on enemies to continue feeding their addiction.

Between their inferiority complexes and their anger addiction the fall into utter insanity is short.

Pretty sad when you think about it.

134 The Left  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 6:18:34pm

re: #133 Romantic Heretic

I'd agree with all of that, especially this:


The second, caused by the first, is a common but little acknowledged condition that I call anger addiction. Anger is a highly addictive emotion. It kicks in all the 'flight or fight' hormones and it's a real fucking rush. These people react to their sense of inferiority with anger. And they get addicted to that anger. Then they fixate on enemies to continue feeding their addiction.

Between their inferiority complexes and their anger addiction the fall into utter insanity is short.

Pretty sad when you think about it.

What needs to be added here, though, is that these are people who direct their anger at total strangers on the net.

IMO, this is a sign not just of their anger addiction, but of their total powerlessness in life. That anger and emotion is real enough, but they're too afraid to vent it in their real lives, or address whatever the real causes are of their profound unhappiness.
Deeply disturbed individuals with very fucked up and unhappy personal lives, each and every one of them.

135 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 6:51:53pm

re: #133 Romantic Heretic

I'm no psych expert, but my own read on these people is they suffer from two major problems.

The first is an inferiority complex. Christ alone knows why they feel so inferior to most other people but deep inside they believe they just aren't good enough. So they compensate by belittling others. It's the bully impulse. If you can't make yourself feel better, make everyone else feel worse.

The second, caused by the first, is a common but little acknowledged condition that I call anger addiction. Anger is a highly addictive emotion. It kicks in all the 'flight or fight' hormones and it's a real fucking rush. These people react to their sense of inferiority with anger. And they get addicted to that anger. Then they fixate on enemies to continue feeding their addiction.

Between their inferiority complexes and their anger addiction the fall into utter insanity is short.

Pretty sad when you think about it.

I like that comment a lot. I agree, and it fits in well with the endless persecution complexes they have and the endless blustering.

136 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:09:46pm

re: #132 LudwigVanQuixote

Well that would explain his decidedly not white complexion. I really don't get why he hates himself so much. There is nothing wrong with not being white. There is nothing special about being white - or at least there shouldn't be.


yeah, he didn't know that the spanish enslaved and raped their way through meso america either. instead he thought the spanish peacefully inter-married with native women. lol.

also, from my time doing missionary work over at their site, i noticed that rodan would stay oddly silent during discussions of the arizona immigration debate. it's almost as though he realizes, deep down, that conservatives are against his people (hispanics) based on racial and cultural differences alone... he just won't acknowledge it openly. it's quite sad that he can't come to grips with the fact that people like myself and him have a common enemy in american-style conservatives.

137 brownbagj  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:17:59pm

LVQ, thanks for the information. I have been registered for a while, but had many family things going on, so I was not around when a lot of these things went on. It is good information for me to see as many things are hinted at here on LGF and I have no idea what they mean.

Thanks again.

138 Aye Pod  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:29:23pm

Excellent post Ludwig, and thanks.

139 Aye Pod  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:34:05pm

I'm not in the habit of quoting shit from the cesspit, but I was told earlier tonight that the freaks over on the blogtrocity were posting unbelievably nasty stuff about ice. I went over and had a look and found this, from 'savage' :


Hey iceweasel, since I know you are reading this:

Not only are you a whore and a slut and a sorry excuse for a female, you need a big fat dick up your ass, preferably in a supermax facility.

C**t!

This is what resulted from the disgusting behaviour of certain posters here last night - particularly Walter L Newton and Racer X - behaviour the cesspit dwellers were quite clearly delighted to see. Equally, I'm sure the response at 2.0 will have pleased those posters no end.

Savage is of course just another wingnut with major inadequacy issues who can't handle the idea of an intelligent woman who is manifestly able and willing to put idiots like himself in their place. I gather from reports that he cuts a particularly sad and forlorn figure on his blog's 'radio show' ; I guess screaming obscene rants about ice makes the butthurt easier to deal with.

140 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:49:29pm

re: #139 Jimmah


every single one of those guys is so repressed it's not even funny.

141 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:59:02pm

I see that Rodan just misinterpreted your anti-denier post from this afternoon by mounting it at his "Diary Of Daedalus" under the headline "Luddie wants blood!". More projection than a movie theater.

142 Aye Pod  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 8:07:14pm

re: #140 SpaceJesus

every single one of those guys is so repressed it's not even funny.

Totally. Btw their favourite gay is "Throbert McGee" - the gay who launched a personal crusade against anal sex. And who hates gays. I will say nothing about brokebrain monkey at this point.

143 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:45:23am

re: #139 Jimmah

I'm not in the habit of quoting shit from the cesspit, but I was told earlier tonight that the freaks over on the blogtrocity were posting unbelievably nasty stuff about ice. I went over and had a look and found this, from 'savage' :

This is what resulted from the disgusting behaviour of certain posters here last night - particularly Walter L Newton and Racer X - behaviour the cesspit dwellers were quite clearly delighted to see. Equally, I'm sure the response at 2.0 will have pleased those posters no end.

Savage is of course just another wingnut with major inadequacy issues who can't handle the idea of an intelligent woman who is manifestly able and willing to put idiots like himself in their place. I gather from reports that he cuts a particularly sad and forlorn figure on his blog's 'radio show' ; I guess screaming obscene rants about ice makes the butthurt easier to deal with.

Thank you for liking this post.

As to savage and those here who crossed that particular line, it is one thing to call someone an idiot when you get furious at what they say. It is another to go straight for the most hurtful and degrading things one can say simply out of ill-mannered, childish and poorly brought up spite. Insulting someone with gender specific, preference specific, or religious or culturally specific slurs is and should be beyond the pale.

Everyone gets this. It is just pure nastiness with no intent other than to cause pain. It also says a lot about how little the speaker has going for him that he has to use it.

Savage in particular is the sort of cruel, sniveling, 7th grade git that would have enjoyed making people cry. He still is that way. Such crap was not acceptable then, and it certainly isn't for adults. It is a pity that none of the other boys properly beat the snot out him when he was a boy, to correct that behavior.

144 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:47:54am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

I see that Rodan just misinterpreted your anti-denier post from this afternoon by mounting it at his "Diary Of Daedalus" under the headline "Luddie wants blood!". More projection than a movie theater.

Ohhh they cherry pick everything said here and put the most insane spin on it. What would you expect an honest reporting of the views presented by anyone?

145 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:07:08am

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Ludwig does get them worked up. They hate him because he goes right in after them and usually beats the whole howlin' bejeezus out of them.

Just to be clear, I have never actually been "on" their show.


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