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1 nines09  Sun, Nov 14, 2010 2:01:02pm

The Insurance Companies have your nuts in their hands. Depending on where you live, you cannot even cross a state line to get better/cheaper coverage. Make them compete and make every citizen have the ability to form/join groups that will lower costs and even the playing field. I wonder about the genius's who say you can work to 69 or 70. Sure you can. IF YOU HAVE A FUCKING JOB WITH BENEFITS.
My rant. Long day.

2 KarenJ503  Sun, Nov 14, 2010 2:49:05pm

That "Libertarian and Ron Paul activist" apparently doesn't realize that if "...one is forced into a system" like mandatory driver's licensing...or universal health care...the costs of administering the system and the benefits available are spread out over a much larger base, thus making it less expensive for everyone.

Invariably it's the guys who refuse to wear helmets on motorbikes, refuse to wear seatbelts, refuse to stop using cellphones when occupied doing something else, refuse to realize that they aren't going to be young and healthy until the day they die (well, SOME might, the ones who die young, violently) -- those are the ones who end up like the guy in the story above -- basically begging for mercy belatedly from the "evil socialist libruls".

Over and over again, tax cuts, lowering of registration fees, etc. eventually results in loss of services and administrative waste. Why can't right-wingers and libertarians see that?

3 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 14, 2010 3:05:59pm

It's nice that this guy had an "Ah ha" moment, but I still have a certain amount of contempt for people who can not understand and sympathize with what other people are going through unless and until they themselves are going through it.

4 Steve Dutch  Sun, Nov 14, 2010 4:18:37pm

"Depending on where you live, you cannot even cross a state line to get better/cheaper coverage." Insurance companies can and do cross state lines. But they have to obey each state's regulations. The "state lines" argument is a red herring. It's really a demand that insurance companies be allowed to set up shop in states with weak regulations and then be allowed to compete on those terms in any other state. Actually, you can cross a state line. It's called "moving."

If you don't like insurance companies, why don't you and everyone else who agrees with you set up your own? Just raise a couple of billion in capital and you're good to go. Should be a piece of cake. After all, people seem to think it's easy when it's other people who have done it.

"But if people want to voluntarily form groups, they should be allowed to pool their healthcare or savings together." Well, people do pool their resources. It's called creating a government. When business fails to live up to its responsibilities, people band together and elect lawmakers to change things. It's not easy but it happens. Government is part of the marketplace. If you don't want government interference, provide what people need at a cost they can afford.

5 nines09  Sun, Nov 14, 2010 4:40:11pm

re: #4 SteveDutch
I hope you don't trip on your dick and hurt yourself. It might not be covered. Even with insurance. Maybe it will be the second or third time you did this, and it will be pre existing and the move you suggest won't help. Then again I could create a company or a government to address this. That's what we do, I thought, or try to by voting, or addressing the fact that when you hit bottom someone pays for it. Like, you.

6 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 14, 2010 5:24:14pm

This guy's story just shows that the rhetoric about liberty is just masking selfishness. He did not himself want to "voluntarily join a group" that provided healthcare--that would cost him money. But he's happy to rely on the taxpayers when the going gets rough.

7 Lidane  Sun, Nov 14, 2010 5:32:12pm

re: #6 philosophus invidius

This guy's story just shows that the rhetoric about liberty is just masking selfishness.

You've just summed up all of Ayn Rand's books in one sentence, and explained why the Paulians are a bunch of douchebags. They're perfectly fine with fetishizing the free market and liberty from things like health care, clearn air and water, and job safety standards for everyone else, but as soon as anything negatively impacts them, they suddenly have a crisis of faith.

8 jaunte  Sun, Nov 14, 2010 5:44:47pm

Lots of homeopathic woo being pitched in that linked comment thread.

9 Michael Orion Powell  Sun, Nov 14, 2010 7:59:07pm

There's a generally civil libertarian podcast host (though he avoids the label like the plague) who supported health care reform. When asked frankly about it, he said that his daughter had been denied insurance because of hay fever. That's the real world and not the world of Econ majors.

10 Timmeh  Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:48:34pm

re: #8 jaunte

Lots of homeopathic woo being pitched in that linked comment thread.

I hope he doesn't fall for it. Ron Paul himself has drunk the homeopathic kool aid, even though he is an MD by training.

11 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 14, 2010 10:26:02pm

Is homeopathic kool-aid when you put a single crystal into a big thing of water, and then dilute the water in more water...

12 Lidane  Sun, Nov 14, 2010 10:37:34pm

re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist

Is homeopathic kool-aid when you put a single crystal into a big thing of water, and then dilute the water in more water...

Yes. The sad part? It's still more effective than every homeopathic remedy out there.

I hope that kid has enough sense to go to a real doctor for his IBD, or whatever condition he has. Something that serious requires far more than just diluted tinctures and herbal supplements.

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 1:19:23am

re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist

Is homeopathic kool-aid when you put a single crystal into a big thing of water, and then dilute the water in more water...

Heh, I'm gonna start selling homeopatic water: water diluted in water diluted in water... I'm gonna be rich!

14 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 2:55:57am

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

My wife is a MD/PhD student who's worked in cancer research for years. The other night we were out to dinner with some older-generation friends, and one of them brought up asparagus as a cure-all for cancer, and said that there was apparently some validity to it because the Snopes page didn't just say 'false', but 'mixed'.

She didn't read the whole page, apparently, because at the bottom it had a clear, definitive statement that while asparagus may help to prevent cancer, it can in no way affect an active, actual tumor.

My wife's blunter response:

"You might as well say the sidewalk cures cancer."

15 Merkin  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:49:34am

"You might as well say the sidewalk cures cancer."

Alternative medicine that is proven to be effective is just called medicine. By definition then anything called alternative medicine has not been shown to be effective. See, things really are simple when you cut through the bull.

16 Lidane  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:11:08am

re: #14 Obdicut

My wife's blunter response:

"You might as well say the sidewalk cures cancer."

Heh. Good answer.

Personally, while I'm open to some herbal and alternative therapies in my life, I'm not about to pass up conventional medications or treatments. For example, my PCOS wouldn't be manageable, and I wouldn't be down almost 30 pounds in the last six months if I didn't have the medications I take daily. I can't imagine putting all my faith in herbs or teas or whatever to get through a serious condition like cancer. You might as well put all your faith in prayer to heal you, you know?

17 edmigper  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:20:40am

Actually, it looks like he was forced to sign up for socialized medical insurance... because he wanted to live. So, sure, "no one is forced into a system", as long as they don't care whether they live or die.

18 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 10:53:23am

re: #7 Lidane

You've just summed up all of Ayn Rand's books in one sentence, and explained why the Paulians are a bunch of douchebags. They're perfectly fine with fetishizing the free market and liberty from things like health care, clearn air and water, and job safety standards for everyone else, but as soon as anything negatively impacts them, they suddenly have a crisis of faith.

This is beautiful! It should be a wall poster.

19 Michael Orion Powell  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:13:28pm

Wow! Over 1,000 views! When I retweeted this article, I got 7 RTs within a couple minutes. It seems you struck a nerve, Trout.

20 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 6:02:43pm

Let's look at this quote:

My position has always been that socialism is evil, but if people want to voluntarily form groups, they should be allowed to pool their healthcare or savings together. The primary point being that no one is forced into a system.

Like all libertarians, he wants all of the benefits of the social contract but none of the responsibilities. He wants a voluntary system that people put into, but says nothing of himself putting into it. Like any good parasite who cares nothing for anyone but himself, he would be happy to have that evil socialism (not that this twit can define it) take care of him when he needs it - and go right back to whining about any other thing he had to do out of duty for his nation or his fellows.

Since he is young, we can hope that his ailment prevents him from breeding and passing on his brand of stupid, self serving, uselessness to another generation.

21 philosophus invidius  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 7:06:53pm

re: #20 LudwigVanQuixote
re: #7 Lidane

[snip] but as soon as anything negatively impacts them, they suddenly have a crisis of faith.

The sad thing is that this person did not have a crisis of faith (as far I can tell).

22 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:12:26am

re: #20 LudwigVanQuixote

Let's look at this quote:

Like all libertarians, he wants all of the benefits of the social contract but none of the responsibilities. He wants a voluntary system that people put into, but says nothing of himself putting into it. Like any good parasite who cares nothing for anyone but himself, he would be happy to have that evil socialism (not that this twit can define it) take care of him when he needs it - and go right back to whining about any other thing he had to do out of duty for his nation or his fellows.

Since he is young, we can hope that his ailment prevents him from breeding and passing on his brand of stupid, self serving, uselessness to another generation.

Amen brother!!

Buying insurance over state lines is a disastrous idea. Because insurance is regulated by each state and some states have stronger (more expensive policies) and weaker (cheaper) regulations, you buy cheap insurance today when you're healthy and in 5 years when you have diabetes, you find out you're not covered. Now you've paid $1000s for a useless policy.

Their answer is, if you don't like it move. Wow, just pick up, quit your job, uproot your school-age children. Dump mom in a nursing home and take off, buy another house and sell yours in a stagnant market, blah blah blah. Who are these morons?

Unless there is an entire overhaul on how insurance works in this country, this is a ridiculous idea. And of course, it's the ONLY idea Republicans have put forth in regards to reforming healthcare.


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