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1 Ziggy Standard  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:03:38pm

Pretending now that the Syrian conflict hasn't been a major news story for many months.

Amazingly weak.

2 Flavia  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 7:46:57pm

re: #1 Ayeless in Ghazi

Pretending now that the Syrian conflict hasn't been a major news story for many months.

Amazingly weak.

No, what's amazingly weak is the reaction to Israel's self-defense as opposed to the Syrian massacres: which one has everyone hysterically rushed to stop....?

3 Destro  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 7:56:54pm

re: #2 Flavia

re: #1 Ayeless in Ghazi

No, what's amazingly weak is the reaction to Israel's self-defense as opposed to the Syrian massacres: which one has everyone hysterically rushed to stop....?

That's because Israel has little to fear from Hamas who was basically firing upgraded bottle rockets at Israel (most of the missiles fired by Hamas were without warheads to increase ranges). The fact that Israel has nukes means it plans to wipe out whole populations if threatened on the Syrian regime's level.

4 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:33:30pm

re: #3 Destro

re: #1 Ayeless in Ghazi

That's because Israel has little to fear from Hamas who was basically firing upgraded bottle rockets at Israel (most of the missiles fired by Hamas were without warheads to increase ranges). The fact that Israel has nukes means it plans to wipe out whole populations if threatened on the Syrian regime's level.

A lot of assumption on your part, coupled with a casual dismissal of the threat to Israeli civilians. Nice morals you entertain Destro. Real nice. Reminds me of something Max Blumenthal might say a readership of angry liberals who are shocked, shocked I tell you, that Israel had the audacity to open fire on Hamas.

5 Destro  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:06:12pm

re: #4 Eclectic Infidel

I was not in anyway commenting on morality of Israel's response here.
What I am saying is that Israel could afford a lighter touch than the Syrian govt response to their insurgents because Hamas is not as big a threat to Israel the way the Free Syrian Army is a threat to the Syrian govt. Nukes exist for this very purpose. All countries that have a nuclear arsenal, have by that fact declared they will wipe out whole populations if their national existance is threatened.

6 Ziggy Standard  Thu, Nov 22, 2012 4:10:31pm

Lol sliv your shitstained page got 'unfeatured'.

There's a reason for that.

7 Ziggy Standard  Thu, Nov 22, 2012 4:20:38pm
8 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 23, 2012 5:59:54pm

re: #3 Destro

Please provide any proof that most of the rockets had the warhead removed.

Calling them upgraded bottle rockets would be more laughable if people weren't getting maimed out there.

9 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Nov 23, 2012 6:55:35pm

Why isn't Alice Walker on a boat to Syria to protest this?

I do get the feeling that the Gazans act up any time some other conflict in the mid-east starts getting attention.

10 Destro  Fri, Nov 23, 2012 11:16:46pm

re: #8 Obdicut

Please provide any proof that most of the rockets had the warhead removed.

Calling them upgraded bottle rockets would be more laughable if people weren't getting maimed out there.

Sure, since you were polite to ask.....

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Some Gaza rockets stripped of explosives to fly further: Israelis

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Some of the Palestinian rockets fired far into Israel during the Gaza flare-up have lacked powerful warheads because they were stripped down to increase range and spread alarm over a wider population, Israeli security sources said on Sunday.

...snip...

The official said "not a few" of the rockets reaching Tel Aviv and cities closer to Gaza were designed for much shorter ranges but had been shorn of their weighty warheads so that they flew further.

"They're pipes, basically," said the official, who declined to be identified.

11 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 3:14:30pm

re: #9 ReamWorks SKG

Why isn't Alice Walker on a boat to Syria to protest this?

She only hates Jews.

12 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:38:15am

re: #10 Destro

Sure, since you were polite to ask.....

They're a 'covering barrage'. Destro. The stripped down rockets are intended to be launched immediately before the Fajr-5s, the larger rockets with heavy payloads (90 kg of HE). The idea being to launch a large number of smaller rockets to help 'hide' the bigger rockets that represent the real threat. And Fajr-5s are a threat, I assure you. 90 kilos of high-explosive is enough to blast down a concrete apartment wall and kill everyone within said apartment. If it impacts in the street, its got a kill-radius of around least 25 meters.

No, Hamas isn't "lobbing bottle rockets".

13 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:17:54am

re: #10 Destro

I asked for proof that 'most' were, Destro. Do you understand the difference between 'most' and 'a few'?

14 Destro  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:42:18am

re: #13 Obdicut

I asked for proof that 'most' were, Destro. Do you understand the difference between 'most' and 'a few'?

That was not even an attempt at pettifogging but shear ignorance on your part.

Directly from the article (did you overlook that?):

The official said "not a few" of the rockets reaching Tel Aviv and cities closer to Gaza were designed for much shorter ranges but had been shorn of their weighty warheads so that they flew further.

"NOT A FEW" synonymous with "many".

Or do you have another way of translating that comment?

15 Destro  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:44:45am

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Where in the article I posted or any article for that matter is what you just made up cited?

Again from the article:

The official said "not a few" of the rockets reaching Tel Aviv and cities closer to Gaza were designed for much shorter ranges but had been shorn of their weighty warheads so that they flew further.

That's reality vs spin.

16 EiMitch  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:07:21pm

re: #3 Destro

That's because Israel has little to fear from Hamas who was basically firing upgraded bottle rockets at Israel (most of the missiles fired by Hamas were without warheads to increase ranges). The fact that Israel has nukes means it plans to wipe out whole populations if threatened on the Syrian regime's level.

First, I'm going out on a limb to guess that part about nukes is why your comment got down-dinged. A geographically small nation like Israel nuking a population in their backyard is a darkly hilarious notion of a Pyrrhic victory. If Israel nuked another country, they'd still get the fallout, literally. Israel nuking the Palestinians is like shooting oneself in the head just to hit the guy standing next to them.

I won't get sucked into splitting hairs over the objective danger posed by the rockets fired by Hamas. Instead, I'll remind everyone that the rockets were meant to terrorize Israel. Apparently, it worked. Hamas clearly wanted to provoke the Israelis, so mission accomplished. If anyone in this scenario is a villain, its Hamas, not the IDF.

Also remember that Israel didn't just storm into Gaza. They performed airstrikes on the rockets' launch-sites and issued an ultimatum that boiled down to "knock it off, or else." Is that not a measured response?

17 EiMitch  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:09:48pm

For the record, I do agree that making a big deal out of Israel's response to Hamas rockets seems out of proportion after seemingly yawning over Syria's civil war. One would think the higher body count would stir the most passionate responses. But nope. It all comes down to brand recognition. We're used to picking sides in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. For all the outrage people showed, the world was secretly hoping the familiar rival gladiators would ramp-up the bloody spectacle we've come to expect.

So really, the "protestors" are actually tailgaters. Try to tell me with a straight face that the "f*** you jew" woman's level of craziness doesn't belong in a stadium. Is it sad that we're treating real bloodshed like a spectator sport? Yes, it is. You can take the people out of the Colosseum, but you can't take the Colosseum out of the people. We want to see blood, dammit!

18 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 6:25:26am

re: #15 Destro

Where in the article I posted or any article for that matter is what you just made up cited?

Again from the article:

That's reality vs spin.

It isn't in that article. I applied what I've learned elsewhere about tactics to defeat missile defense. The analysis was my own, not the product of a news agency.

19 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 6:27:56am

re: #17 EiMitch

For the record, I do agree that making a big deal out of Israel's response to Hamas rockets seems out of proportion after seemingly yawning over Syria's civil war. One would think the higher body count would stir the most passionate responses. But nope. It all comes down to brand recognition. We're used to picking sides in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. For all the outrage people showed, the world was secretly hoping the familiar rival gladiators would ramp-up the bloody spectacle we've come to expect.

So really, the "protestors" are actually tailgaters. Try to tell me with a straight face that the "f*** you jew" woman's level of craziness doesn't belong in a stadium. Is it sad that we're treating real bloodshed like a spectator sport? Yes, it is. You can take the people out of the Colosseum, but you can't take the Colosseum out of the people. We want to see blood, dammit!

I don't think her actions and words can be likened to those of a fan of gladiatorial games in old Rome. She wasn't there to be entertained, she was there because she really hates Israel. Hatred is what drives her, not a desire for some fun.

20 Destro  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 7:26:44am

re: #16 EiMitch

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

I am on record as being against the USA backing the Free Syrian Army's rebellion (why is it OK for the Sunnis to rise up in Syria but if they do so in Gaza the USA hates that?) and I am against the Hamas organization's attacks on Israel. And I am against the blockade of Gaza because blockades and economic collective punishment plays into the hands of extremist organizations like Hamas.

The people of Gaza react the way I expect all humans to react if they live under a blockage and economic sanctions.

21 Destro  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 7:31:48am

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

I think Hamas is firing what they have and what they have are mostly primitive rockets that are in many cases just hollow tubes only.

They are the equivalent of throwing rocks at soldiers who can shoot back with live bullets that is why the death and damage toll is so lopsided. Of course Hamas was doing this to provoke and that idiot Netanyahu took the bait.

The worse thing for Hamas would have been if Israel showed restraint.

22 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 9:54:15am

re: #21 Destro

I think Hamas is firing what they have and what they have are mostly primitive rockets that are in many cases just hollow tubes only.

They are the equivalent of throwing rocks at soldiers who can shoot back with live bullets that is why the death and damage toll is so lopsided. Of course Hamas was doing this to provoke and that idiot Netanyahu took the bait.

The worse thing for Hamas would have been if Israel showed restraint.

A thrown rock can be lethal. Moreover, Hamas clearly can make homemade explosives and earlier rockets contained HE, as did the BM-21 and Fajr series rockets they fired during the recent fighting.

One other thing you need to remember: Israel doesn't know what's in those rockets when they're fired and must assume they are lethal rounds. It's the same thing as cases where a thief used a "key gun" to break into a home, only to be shot dead by a homeowner who thought the thief had a firearm in hand. The homeowner in such cases has always been vindicated legally in the US, as he could not have safely waited to find out if the thief's threat was real or not. It's the same situation with Israel.

23 EiMitch  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 11:19:20am

re: #21 Destro

The worse thing for Hamas would have been if Israel showed restraint.

If striking the launch sites and telling Hamas to knock it off instead of just storming straight in doesn't count as restraint, then what the hell does? Turning the other cheek and pretending it ain't happening?

Oh, wait! They didn't go in after all. So doesn't send your argument right out the f***ing window? "But, but... But thats only because of international pressure and negotiations." Ah, but that would've been after-the-fact had Israel stormed right in rather than issued an ultimatum and waited. So who is the idiot?

And as for Syria, I hadn't forgotten your opinion on the matter. I was making a statement about the general public's double-standards. Pay a bit more attention to context next time.


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