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How the Imams Terrorized an Airliner

Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 7:48:52 am PST

It’s becoming quite clear that those six imams removed from a plane at Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport were not simply “praying,” but were deliberately staging an incident for political purposes: How the imams terrorized an airliner. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

Muslim religious leaders removed from a Minneapolis flight last week exhibited behavior associated with a security probe by terrorists and were not merely engaged in prayers, according to witnesses, police reports and aviation security officials.

Witnesses said three of the imams were praying loudly in the concourse and repeatedly shouted “Allah” when passengers were called for boarding US Airways Flight 300 to Phoenix.

“I was suspicious by the way they were praying very loud,” the gate agent told the Minneapolis Police Department.

Passengers and flight attendants told law-enforcement officials the imams switched from their assigned seats to a pattern associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks and also found in probes of U.S. security since the attacks — two in the front row first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two in the rear of the cabin.

“That would alarm me,” said a federal air marshal who asked to remain anonymous. “They now control all of the entry and exit routes to the plane.”

A pilot from another airline said: “That behavior has been identified as a terrorist probe in the airline industry.”

But the imams who were escorted off the flight in handcuffs say they were merely praying before the 6:30 p.m. flight on Nov. 20, and yesterday led a protest by prayer with other religious leaders at the airline’s ticket counter at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.

Mahdi Bray (lgf: search), executive director of the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation (lgf: search), called removing the imams an act of Islamophobia and compared it to racism against blacks. “It’s a shame that as an African-American and a Muslim I have the double whammy of having to worry about driving while black and flying while Muslim,” Mr. Bray said.

The protesters also called on Congress to pass legislation to outlaw passenger profiling. Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, Texas Democrat, said the September 11 terrorist attacks “cannot be permitted to be used to justify racial profiling, harassment and discrimination of Muslim and Arab Americans.”

“Understandably, the imams felt profiled, humiliated, and discriminated against by their treatment,” she said.

According to witnesses, police reports and aviation security officials, the imams displayed other suspicious behavior. Three of the men asked for seat-belt extenders, although two flight attendants told police the men were not oversized. One flight attendant told police she “found this unsettling, as crew knew about the six [passengers] on board and where they were sitting.” Rather than attach the extensions, the men placed the straps and buckles on the cabin floor, the flight attendant said.

The imams said they were not discussing politics and only spoke in English, but witnesses told law enforcement that the men spoke in Arabic and English, criticizing the war in Iraq and President Bush, and talking about al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.

The imams who claimed two first-class seats said their tickets were upgraded. The gate agent told police that when the imams asked to be upgraded, they were told no such seats were available. Nevertheless, the two men were seated in first class when removed. A flight attendant said one of the men made two trips to the rear of the plane to talk to the imam during boarding, and again when the flight was delayed because of their behavior. Aviation officials, including air marshals and pilots, said these actions alone would not warrant a second look, but the combination is suspicious. ...

One of the passengers, Omar Shahin, told Newsweek the group did everything it could to avoid suspicion by wearing Western clothes, speaking English and booking seats so they were not together. He said they conducted prayers quietly and separately to avoid attention. The imams had attended a conference sponsored by the North American Imam Federation in Minneapolis and were returning to Phoenix. Mr. Shahin, who is president of the federation, said on his Web site that none of the passengers made pro-Saddam or anti-American statements.

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1 red satellite  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:50:51am

@^@$^ IMAMS!

2 FredLee  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:53:20am

There's much more to the story. See here and here.

3 Globular Cluster  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:53:27am

These guys would have scared me out of my mind on that plane. Passengers did the right thing...

4 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:53:54am

It seems they're getting nowhere with their protests this time. I've heard no abject apologies from US Air or passengers. They were clearly asking for attention and they got it.

5 crashnburn  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:53:59am

The airline did the right thing, albeit late. I have seen drunks pulled off quicker for far less threatening behavior. Clearly a PC test - as in "Lets see if they'll stop us from doing this while holding on to their political correctness".

No sense of humor on this one anymore. The Muslim community needs to understand that and stop being "enraged" over it.

6 wong fei hung  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:54:02am

Sheila Jackson-Lee is a danger to her country and a traitor to her species. Shame on any citizen of Texas who voted this Delilah into office.

7 RadicalRon  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:54:17am

They're imams like I'm the high rabbi of Riyadh.

8 Globular Cluster  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:54:28am
One of the passengers, Omar Shahin, told Newsweek the group did everything it could to avoid suspicion by wearing Western clothes, speaking English and booking seats so they were not together

Wow, that's comforting, considering the 9/11 hijackers looked and acted the same way.

9 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:54:42am

Since this is in the WashTimes, it's not news, as far as the MSM is concerned.

10 Chicken Kiev  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:54:44am

Dry run!

11 journeyscarab  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:54:59am

They just keep pushing the boundries and at some point they are going to push regular, everyday Americans too far. We are tolerant of many things but there is a limit and they are going to find that limit very soon. And there will not be the sympathy and subujation they've come to expect - even from liberal Americans.

12 bolivar  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:55:06am

This is only the start - we are in for many more obfuscations like this. They will cloud our judgement and we will let down our guard and BAM we are nailed again. Better to nip this in the bud and do what Israel does - their program works and these scum would not stand a chance.

Of course, many airlines would probably go under and maybe this will prevent further scrutinizing. Too bad....

13 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:55:10am

Much to the American haters and the MSMs chagrin, I haven't sensed these pieces of trash are gaining any sympathy.

In fact, their little facade seems to have done just the opposite.

FLY MUSLIMLESS AIRLINES...complete with Mohammed Bomb Turbin pic on the fuselage.

Already booked solid through 2007.

14 FabioC.  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:55:36am

Terrorism can be done without actual violence; here's an example. Also how the reactions to the initial act are being used as propaganda tools fits perfectly the pattern.

15 Power Armored Lizardoid  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:56:31am

This kind of thing would almost make me want to carry a CIA letter opener when I fly. Fortunately, I fly very rarely.

16 EC Marm  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:56:58am

Those guys were spoiling for a fight. And the fact that half of them lacked suitcases for an overnight affair tells me they were probably pretty ripe, too.

17 dll2000  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:57:05am

What can I do to make your flight uncomfortable?

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

18 JnT  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:57:12am

#10 Chicken

Dry run!

Without a doubt.

19 wong fei hung  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:57:18am

FROM WIKIPEDIA:

"Jackson Lee volunteered herself as an unsolicited advocate for the father of Elián González in the international custody controversy. She also attracted controversy in 2003 by meeting with Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad and offering to sponsor a visit for the controversial leader to come to the United States.

Other criticism
The Houston Chronicle interviewed two illegal immigrants who claimed to have worked for a day in Lee's campaign office moving furniture. Lee denied the allegation.

The Weekly Standard has published criticism of her travel arrangements, and alleged that she has been banned by Continental Airlines from flying with them after repeatedly badgering and bullying airline staff and flight attendants.

World Net Daily ran an article in August of 2003 on Jackson Lee's statements regarding hurricane names. Jackson Lee argued that the current hurricane names are too caucasian sounding, using the term "lily white", and that hurricane names should "have better representation for names reflecting African-Americans and other ethnic groups."

Lee has also been accused of grandstanding and self-aggrandizement, along with being a brusque and imperious boss. In her first two years in Congress, her staff reportedly had a 180% turnover rate, which was attributed by the Houston Press to overwork and bullying by the Congresswoman. Accordingly, House staffers unofficially voted her the 2nd meanest member of the body in a Washingtonian article."

20 Mississauga Matt  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:58:28am
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, Texas Democrat, said the September 11 terrorist attacks “cannot be permitted to be used to justify racial profiling, harassment and discrimination of Muslim and Arab Americans.”

Actually, they are precisely the reason why religious profiling must be done to ensure the safety of citizens.

Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee can blow it out her shorts.

21 crashnburn  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:59:08am

And the good people of Texas need to get off their rears and dump this idiot congresswomen they have. Racial Profiling?!?!

Someone give me a cluebat! I wonder how happy this doofus would have been to have these shenanigans occur on her flight out of Reagan National? Oh wait a minute: Congress has their own special entrances, lounges and boarding there. She would have only noticed if one of these guys stole her seat in First Class.

22 mad_scientist  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:00:49am

What these imams were doing had two purposes. The main one, IMO, was to score cheap political points of victimhood....

Secondly, to probe how the airline would react, and how far they can go without being stopped and removed.

23 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:00:55am

#15 PA Lizard:

make me want to carry a CIA letter opener when I fly

Don't. You'd get a very up-close and personal experience with the TSA if they found it. Carry a mini-Maglite or similar metal flashlight instead; perfectly legal, and not a bad close-combat weapon.

24 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:01:15am

The invaders are just laughing at us.

And running circles around us.

It will get worse and worse. French worse.

25 Chicken Kiev  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:01:23am

Top Bollywood star convicted -- he was connected with deadly '93 terrorist bombing in Mumbai launched by Muslims seeking to take revenge on Hindu mobs who had torched and killed people across India and pulled down a 16th century mosque:

[Link: film.guardian.co.uk...]

One of Bollywood’s biggest stars, Sanjay Dutt, was convicted today of illegally possessing weapons ... Dutt, who is among 123 people accused in a trial that has taken more than a decade to wend its way through India’s legal system, was found guilty of possessing three assault rifles, a pistol and hand grenades. “I have not found that he [Dutt] was a terrorist or was destructive,” the judge said...
A star of 105 films, Dutt had long revelled in his bad boy image... Dawood Ibrahim, who is on the run accused of masterminding the blasts, had links with many Bollywood stars, inviting them to family parties and weddings... Dutt’s father, Sunil, was a Hindu and his mother, Nargis, a Muslim.

26 traveler  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:01:36am

Re: the praying Imams (anything like the dancing Itos? -- but I digress...)

I hope we haven't pissed them off and given them a reason to kill us all....

/LLL

27 Phocid  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:01:55am

I'd say the next time a bunch of muzzers get loud and hostile on an ariplane the passengers should do what they'd do if there was a hijack attempt, to restrain the offenders by any means available until the plane lands and police can arrive and take charge.

28 NoSubmission  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:02:01am

So the 6 Flying Imams got their 15 minutes of fame.

.. and in other news.. Airline passengers and crew will continue to be vigilante for Islamic terrorists. End of story.

PROFILE 'EM.
Men
Women
Children

29 TMF  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:02:10am

WHy would anyone get jittery about muslims on airplanes?

Am I missing something?

Muslims are no more likely to do anything shady on an airplane than the average Mormon or scientologist, right?

30 samhein  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:02:54am

Someone remind me why we still allow these "people" in our airports and in our public space, when they clearly are a danger to the American society?

And where is Homeland Security when it comes to the real threats Islam in the USA poses?

Just wondering.......I'd really like to see the actual problem taken care of instead of everyone else being put out and having their rights trampled on because of these jerks, for once.

31 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:03:37am

#15 Power Armored Lizardoid

Carry nothing.

Learn (and practice ten years of) the Way (DO)of the Empty (KARA) Hand (TE).

Or AiKiDo.

32 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:04:08am

Time to face facts folks. Our defences and reactions are always going to be evaluated and tested. Now these clowns did this out in the open just to see what would happen. Had the American people been turned into sheep finally? Would the passengers react or sit by quietly? What of the cabin attendants? What specific actions did they take, in which order, and within what time frame? What about the pilots? Did they leave the cockpit? If they did how long was the door to the cockpit open? What sort of indications werre given that the door would open? Did they lock it behind him or let it remain open?
All of this stuff happening after the fact is designed to distract investigators away from the actual events and shroud it in fog. These imams have probably already filed their report with their handlers who will now integrate the findings into future training or pass it along to teams already in the final stages of planning.

33 ScrewTapeSaysHi  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:04:48am

They are working the American political process like a part-time job.

34 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:05:01am

Allah's little assholes.

35 SpringheelJack  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:05:37am

#22 mad_scientist

I agree with you. The imams seemed to be engaged in a program where they deliberately act up so they can complain to the world "Look at how persecuted Muslims are", and promote an environment where security and airline personnel are too intimidated to give much scrutiny to what Muslim passengers do.

36 denverdan  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:05:42am

I think the purpose behind this event was not to stir up PC questions in front of the media, as much as to stir up muslim youths in this country (like in britain) by saying, "hey, look our way of worshipping, our religion is threatened."

37 wong fei hung  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:05:46am

#31 Poitiers-Lepanto:

Aikido ;)

I'm 5th Kyu, training for a year now... and Muslims are the reason why!

You know, for when the s*** really hits the fan.

But I have not adopted the Palestinian "jump through the flaming tire" routine...

YET!

38 jaynumber13  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:06:10am
“Understandably, the imams felt profiled, humiliated, and discriminated against by their treatment,” she said.

Good. Someone is doing their job.

39 thedopefishlives  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:08:30am

Oh, who to believe... Six imams who are associated with Islamofascist groups and known terrorists, or a bunch of hard-working, ordinary Americans whose job it is to spot suspicious behavior?

/Tough choice

40 Endangered in Mass  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:08:38am

I think they are doing this not as a probe but as a way to wear down our vigilence and reduce security. Have people who are visibly Muslim but not active Islamic terrorist act like Islamic terrorists. Bring in CAIR to bang the Islamo-phobe drumbeat. Try and create the impression that justifiable security concerns are Islamophobic. Repeat 4-5 times, let the Democrats/MSM alliance take care of the rest.

It is culturally insensitive to deny these wonderfull Muslims the right to board a plane wearing their Peaceful Inner Struggle Vests

41 RaiderDan  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:08:42am

#9 Ward Cleaver

Since this is in the WashTimes, it's not news, as far as the MSM is concerned.

Ding ding ding! You nailed it. The MSM is content NOT to do any digging into the suspicious behaviour of the imams since it doesn't fit the ``Muslims as victims.'' template.

But thats why they are losing audiences. The LGF reader knows there's more to the story and goes elsewhere. Good digging by the Washington Times....

42 Globular Cluster  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:08:56am
#14 FabioC. 11/28/2006 07:55AM PST

Terrorism can be done without actual violence

A decent point. Intimidation and fear are the goals of terrorism, and these Imams spread both.

43 Globular Cluster  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:09:54am
#40 Endangered in Mass 11/28/2006 08:08AM PST

I think they are doing this not as a probe but as a way to wear down our vigilence and reduce security.

Running interference for another terrorist act, perhaps?

44 StuLongIsland  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:10:20am

Wish someone had the guts at some airlines to sue them or perhaps a group of passengers as a class action suit. I do not know what for but the people who know will come up with something. It is called fighting back.

45 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:10:21am
“It’s a shame that as an African-American and a Muslim I have the double whammy of having to worry about driving while black and flying while Muslim,”

Don't stop there - why not add the obvious triple whammy! "Not only that but I was in New Orleans during Katrina and we all know that Rove seeded the clouds and Bush blew up the levees..."

Eternal victims of a feather--- call in Jesse Jackson - he'll save you.

46 Elric66  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:10:28am

The Imans felt humilated? Where is Condhimmi?

47 Leper  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:10:41am

Imams = Snakes on a Plane....

48 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:10:56am

#37 Wong Fei Hung

Bowing...

I must be careful not to derail the thread, that is a very important one, but I recommend to ANYBODY double practice and work until what you learned has become not your "second nature" but YOUR FIRST !

The Way of the Wind in the Pines, 1985-today.
AiKiDo 1988-today

49 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:12:09am

#32 Just_a_Grunt

These imams have probably already filed their report with their handlers who will now integrate the findings into future training or pass it along to teams already in the final stages of planning.

I couldn't agree more.

50 Ariun  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:13:39am

#17 If you're from the Mongolian government, you could stage a hijacking, but not tell anyone (pilot included) that it's an exercise.

Some governments are clueless beyond clueless.

51 seejanemom  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:13:58am

Hey, is waterboy Fuckeye in here yet?...No? Must still be echoing himself on the last super thread. Have a good day Mister Jealous Shut-In.

Anyone who wishes to continue the pile, please consult the notes that began the spiral.

52 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:14:14am
Mr. Shahin, who is president of the federation, said on his Web site that none of the passengers made pro-Saddam or anti-American statements.


wow. Is that statement right out of the DNC/Air America play book - or what?

53 Endangered in Mass  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:14:29am

After reading Grunt's post I change my take. It was a two-for. Probe and harry.

54 Owl  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:14:45am

Well Lizards, I usually say Mornin' meaning "good morning", but today it's not looking too good. . .


Newt has just called for changing our 1st Amendment rights, and the Pope is once again holding hands with satan, via Turkey's highest cleric.

Don't slay me for saying it - you tell me what it is when the Pope teams up with an islamic cleric to call for " brotherhood "


I'm, once again, as furious over the Pope and Newt as I ever have been thusfar.


We are doomed............we have lost....


there is no one to stand up for us....


i have no idea what to do about it.

clearly blogging, even though I love Charles and admire him well beyond most men....clearly blogging is not going to save the world.


islam has already won, and it wasn't even a fair fight. and that's what kills me - they are winning by lying. islam is truely satan's religion. God help us all. and God bless the Lizard nation


owl out.

55 gymnast  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:15:08am

The "Imams" are lucky that none of the passengers shouted "lets roll". The "Imams" need to be referred to the FBI for a thorough procto exam prior to their deportation as deck passengers on a submarine.

56 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:15:15am

You can blame Houston for Sheila Jackson-Lee. She's from there.

57 sjd  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:15:35am

I can't believe that it took 47 comments to get to the winning line...

58 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:16:05am

#51:

Hey, is waterboy Fuckeye in here yet?...

Give it a rest. At the very least, don't bring it to a new thread.

59 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:16:35am

I wondered aloud this morning why the Democrats think it's in their interest to hook up with the dubious characters.

Not that Sheila Jackson Lee is the brightest of bulbs.

60 Judith  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:16:46am
They're imams like I'm the high rabbi of Riyadh.

You likely have a point there. The term Imam is simply a term of repsect that can be applied to anyone considered to have learning about average. For example, having earned your Ph.D. in Engineering means you are now an "Imam" and have the right to speak for the entire Muslim community, expect respectful submission from other Muslims, and you can speak as an authority on the Koran, religious law, Christianity, Judaism, and international law, government and just about anything else you want to. There is no Imam equivalent to ordination.

Just ask Dr. Mohammed Elmasry of our own Canadian Islmaic Congress.

As for these ass hat imams - clearly a dry run. Make a big fuss. Intimidate the airlies into not ""harrassing" the next set of Muslim passengers. I suspect the seat belt extenders were planned for strangling crew members or swinging like nunchucks when the real run took place. The fact that these guys are all radical Imams makes it obvious

And they will try it again.

I'm so glad my daughter is flying El Al next month.

61 chilltheham  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:16:53am

47 .. more like sheiks on a plane (a bad analogy, but hey it rhymes!)

62 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:17:45am

Clearly ALL of the eye-witnesses are wrong or lying about the precious peaceful angelically motivated Imams. Clearly ALL of the passengers and flight crew are lying Islamophobes.

Because those who practice Islam, would NEVER lie.

/

63 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:18:07am

Look at how our media is handling this event. Are they concentrating on the actions of the imams or the passengers and crew? The Islamofacists know how to play this propaganda game better then Michael Moore, although he may be on retainer. The Twin Cities with their obvious acceptance of Muslims, as evidenced by the election of Keith Ellison, who was at this conference also, and whose name seems to be missing from a lot of the reporting. The Hezbollah types are staking out their territory up north with MI and MN squarely at ground zero.

64 J. Lichty  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:18:15am

I think a likely motive for these imams was not a dry run, but rather to create such fear and apprehension in the infidel that they "victimized" the poorimams.

This was clearly a designed political ploy, and we will see a lot more of it until Muslims are "harassed" on a daily basis and the TSA and FAA cave in to them.

This is merely the opening volley in the Islamist war against "profiling." We won this round, but will lose this battle before long.

65 RickZ  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:18:27am

I think the passengers who properly profiled these 'imams', bringing the problem to the flight attendants' attention, should sue those 'imams' for mental anguish and distress. It's time individuals started using our court system against these jihadi clowns. These passengers basically did what we are all told to do, be alert. They were. And they should be rewarded for their attention to the dry-run aspect of these 'imams' anctics, by the imams themselves, bankrupting them if possible. The airline should also sue the 'imams' for the cost of the delay they deliberately caused. Survival overrides political correctness every time.

66 martelbrigade  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:19:13am

Ellison now says he will not swear in on the Bible.

67 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:19:26am

Somebody has some anger management issues.

68 grayp  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:19:47am

Owl, what exactly did Gingrich say?

69 "Oh no...Sand People!"  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:20:32am
A pilot from another airline said: “That behavior has been identified as a terrorist probe in the airline industry.”

If the shoebomb fits...
Profile away!

70 mike(in)savage  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:20:33am

Passengers and flight attendants told law-enforcement officials the imams switched from their assigned seats to a pattern associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks and also found in probes of U.S. security since the attacks — two in the front row first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two in the rear of the cabin.


One of the passengers, Omar Shahin, told Newsweek the group did everything it could to avoid suspicion by wearing Western clothes, speaking English and booking seats so they were not together.

OK, so which is it? There can be no he said/she said here. What do the seating assignments on their tickets show? This has to be an easy thing to confirm.

71 DoctorDentons  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:20:38am

Sheila Jackson Lee is an example of what happens when women pull their braids too tight.

72 Endangered in Mass  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:20:46am

#43 Cluster

Sort of. More so to affect some type of change in policy or attitude such that when they do it for real it doesn't soud any alarms or the alarms soud to late because of indecision or additionl PC procedures implemented to put an end to this types of aggregious
religious profiling.

73 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:20:59am

#54 Owl

We are doomed............we have lost....
there is no one to stand up for us....
...islam has already won

VERY respectfully:

DO YOU HAVE DADDY ISSUES ?
THE GAME BEGINS WHEN NOBODY STANDS FOR YOU !

I repeat that I say this very respectfully.
You shoudn't feel lost when in the cold/dark/wet/alone ! It's called "life" and "fighting" and it will be like that in many ways and in every occasion of your life.

AND IF ISLAM HAS WON [this is a P-L classic !] I AM PAMELA ANDERSON AND PARIS HILTON !

74 THX-42  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:21:21am

And their new PC phrase is now "FWM - flying while Muslim".

Personally, I'd like to see this changed to "JWM - JDAMed while Muslim".

75 cabalofdoom  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:21:36am

I'm curious if a seat belt extender could be used as a weapon. I'm guessing it could be used like a sap.

76 Solomon2  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:22:03am

It's like pulling a fire alarm when there is no fire, or walking into a bank, waving a firearm, and departing. Why shouldn't these guys be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?

77 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:22:40am
#63 Just_A_Grunt 11/28/2006 08:18AM PST

Look at how our media is handling this event. Are they concentrating on the actions of the imams or the passengers and crew? The Islamofacists know how to play this propaganda game better then Michael Moore, although he may be on retainer. The Twin Cities with their obvious acceptance of Muslims, as evidenced by the election of Keith Ellison, who was at this conference also, and whose name seems to be missing from a lot of the reporting. The Hezbollah types are staking out their territory up north with MI and MN squarely at ground zero.

Leave St Paul out of this, we had nothing to do with electing Ellison.

78 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:23:53am

#65 RickZ

I AGREE !

/What's happening to me today ? I never agree with anybody, now it's the second time !?

79 Judith  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:25:00am
I'm curious if a seat belt extender could be used as a weapon.

Here's some pictures of them. I'd say yes..

80 mustrum  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:25:28am

#31 Poitiers Lepanto

Aiki-crap.
Free-style wrestling and kickboxing (Western or Muai Thai), or one of the styles that combines the two, such as MMA or Vale Tudo, plus perhaps the "dirty" tricks of KravMaga (which by the way was designed by a free-style wrestler).
Oriental mystic mumbo jumbo is just that - mumbo jumbo, vide what the Hunwei did to the supposedly invincible Shaolin monks. The idea is to get the other guy to go down and stay there, as fast as possible. Everything else is window dressing.

What will defend you in a tight corner is strength, speed, agility and a knowledge of how the human body bends and doesn't bend. And admittedly a well placed headbutt and a kick in the nards helps as well.

Once you get past the improvised knife or other weapon of an attacker on a plane (and admittedly, that's a big but), what chance has he got against a forehead in the nose or brow ridge, a knee in the nards and a boot to the shin?

81 RickZ  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:26:08am

# 78 Poitiers-Lepanto:

/What's happening to me today ? I never agree with anybody, now it's the second time !?

LOL! Chalk it up to 'shit happens'.

82 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:26:16am

#75 cabalofdoom

I'm curious if a seat belt extender could be used as a weapon. I'm guessing it could be used like a sap.

If it's very long, it could be used as a ligature.

83 Stringart  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:26:53am
“Understandably, the imams felt profiled, humiliated, and discriminated against by their treatment,” she said.

And whatever they felt, it pales in comparison to what the murder victims and their families felt after 9/11.

84 Judith  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:27:27am
The Hezbollah types are staking out their territory up north with MI and MN squarely at ground zero.

Harumph. Ever seen the movie "Fargo"? I think you are seriously underestimating folks up there.

85 3 wood  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:27:38am

#51 seejanemom

Ah geeez, enough already.

If you have a dust up with someone on another thread, leave it there. Don't go dragging it to a new thread.

86 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:27:54am

#79 Judith

You could crack somebody's skull with one of those.

/that heavy buckle

87 LthrNck  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:28:25am

I agree with #65 RickZ, there has to be a way for the regular folks to harass the Jihad enablers. Beat them at their own game. It would be nice to see about half of the passengers on that flight filing lawsuits against those Imams. It would also be nice to see hundreds of thousands of citizens attending muslim prayer services every Friday, and raising hell if the services were not in English.

88 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:28:44am

The by product of the whining of these imams and their supporters/sympahizers is to get passengers and crew to slow down their reactions. Ask any defensive player in the NFL what the difference between getting to Peyton Manning in 3 seconds versus 4 seconds is. Normally it means a touchdown and the carrying the same analogy forward, Peyton only has to connect once, the defense has to connect on every play.
Remember if terrorists were actually on board an airplane with intentions of bringing it down or carrying out some other act of terrorism they will not be so obvious. Some of their actions will be similar such as which seats to sit in and they may have a decoy do something similar to what these imams did, but they have only one goal in mind. Seize the cockpit.
The cockpit offers 2 advantages to them.
1) They now can control the pilots or fly the plane themselves
2) Those self same doors that were designed to protect the flight crew now protect them from air marshals and passengers.

Flight crews should never open that door and as the reports of this incidents tells us THEY DID!

89 slaphappy  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:30:06am

Airline profiling?...

Works for Israel. And thats no small feat considering the humble neighbors on the block.

I will now book US Airways for ALL domestic flights.

Well done US Air and passengers. You just exposed a mock-run.

90 shug  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:30:11am

Islamophobia

Translation is the Fear of Islam.

Every man , woman and Child in America should have Islamophobia. This is a death cult that means to kill or convert All Nonbelievers and All citizens of the world need to understand this fact.

91 Buck  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:30:27am

I have to fly from Winnipeg to Miami next month... I wonder if EL-AL flys there?

92 dquickly  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:30:39am

This should serve as a wake up call for all of us. They are using the system to their advantage. Unless we become an intollerant society and dump the pollitical correctness we are all doomed to pray on mats 5 times a day or even worse die.

93 DistantThunder  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:31:04am

#40 Endangered in Mass 11/28/2006 08:08AM PST
I think they are doing this not as a probe but as a way to wear down our vigilence and reduce security. Have people who are visibly Muslim but not active Islamic terrorist act like Islamic terrorists

SPOT ON! Wearing down the vigilence of the opponent is one of the 36 Stratagems of War.

13. Beat the grass to startle the snake

Frighten or startle the enemy to see how he will react. You should note that making threats will probably undo you, especially against an opponent who is stronger or more ruthless than you. Instead, the enlightened fighter has to make the enemy feel threatened without stooping to make threats. A calm, straightforward demeanor in discussions helps a person's word to be more believable. Instead of speaking threats, the wise fighter arranges circumstances or performs actions that create the threat.

94 Mike McDaniel  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:31:14am

A seat belt extender would make an excellent flail or garrote.

95 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:31:51am
96 shug  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:32:02am
Three of the men asked for seat-belt extenders, although two flight attendants told police the men were not oversized. One flight attendant told police she “found this unsettling, as crew knew about the six [passengers] on board and where they were sitting.” Rather than attach the extensions, the men placed the straps and buckles on the cabin floor, the flight attendant said.


These should have been used to hog tie these Imams......and then they could have made the trip

97 THX-42  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:32:15am

Regarding "weapons of choice while flying," no one has yet mentioned the ultimate, nearly ubiquitous weapon of the 21st century business traveler...the laptop. Six and a half pounds of cold, expense-account-covered, flying fury.

What better way to take down 9th century barbarians? Word.

98 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:32:25am

#31 Poitiers-Lepanto:

Learn (and practice ten years of) the Way (DO)of the Empty (KARA) Hand (TE).

Or AiKiDo.

Or Rumsfeld-do.

99 obscured by clouds  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:32:40am

This has probably been posted already but I'm guessing the strap extenders are to be used as garottes.

100 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:32:55am

#80 Mustrum

I do not comment on the tone and form of your comments.

Maybe you had bad Teachers.

What will defend you in a tight corner is strength, speed, agility and a knowledge of how the human body bends and doesn't bend.

That's true.
But without the "mumbo jumbo" of the Spiritual Ways, your body will never be ahead of time and space, where it must be.

I will light a candle to O-Sensei for you, to avoid you get the karma of your comments.

101 solomonpanting  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:33:34am
Mahdi Bray , executive director of the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, called removing the imams an act of Islamophobia and compared it to racism against blacks.

Really? You man blacks blew up airplanes? After 9-11 and all of the terror committed in the name of Allah, I'd find it extremely difficult to ever call into question the accusation of Islamphobia ever again. EVER.

102 seejanemom  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:34:02am

You are right, I did not pray the prayer before I muddied up the carpet in here....consider me spanked. My apologies. :)

103 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:34:24am

#97 THX-42

Regarding "weapons of choice while flying," no one has yet mentioned the ultimate, nearly ubiquitous weapon of the 21st century business traveler...the laptop. Six and a half pounds of cold, expense-account-covered, flying fury.

Not to mention the danger from exploding batteries. /

104 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:35:01am

#97 THX-42:

the laptop. Six and a half pounds of cold, expense-account-covered, flying fury

Not to mention the Sony "incendiary weapon" option!

105 upchuck  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:36:23am

Where are the video photographers when you need them! /watching the police and our soldiers

106 shug  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:36:37am

US airways should take this advice..........then allow as many Imams as they want on board.

*warning---language

107 al-ivanj  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:38:37am

Yesterday there was a by election here. I was scrutiring. This muslim woman came in, could barely speak english. When she was asked for her voter registration card, she said "at home", then when asked for id she said "at home", then she tried to go around the desk and show who she was on the voter list.

She was not on the list, but kept saying her husband was. Her husband may or may not have been on the list, He had his address and middle name corrected.

What I dont get is why she would go to vote but not take her voter card or any id. I canvassed that area so I know that her house couldn’t have been more than a 10 minute walk from the polling place, so why didn’t she just go get it? And if she wasnt on the list, then how did she get a voter card in the first place?

You know, I'm pretty upset right now that I didn’t raise a complaint at the time. Damn Canadian politeness.

Either this woman and those imams were very stupid, or they were just trying to cause a scene.

108 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:39:44am

#90 shug,

Actually, a phobia is an irrational fear. If I were cowering under my desk in fear that a Muslim might kick in my office door and cut off my head screaming "Allah Ackbar!" this would be a phobia.

If I'm getting on a plane, and a muslim passenger screams "Allah Ackbar!" and proceeds to behave as though he is preparing to hijack the plane, and I report fearing this to the steawardess this is not a phobia.

There is nothing irrational in my fear at all.

Generally speaking, fear of Islam is quite rational under most circumstances given the character and conduct of Muslims in the world today.

As a practical matter, therefore, "Islamophobia" does not exist. As a matter of fact, does anyone know a term for an irrational lack of fear?

That is what we have going on in the L³eft and the MSM with regards to Islam.

109 realwest  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:40:40am

#87 LthrNck - "It would also be nice to see hundreds of thousands of citizens attending muslim prayer services every Friday, and raising hell if the services were not in English."
That's a great idea!

110 RadicalRon  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:41:09am
#51:

Hey, is waterboy Fuckeye in here yet?...

Give it a rest; nobody cares about your personal war.

Or, that maybe you've been 'offended' by somebody.

111 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:41:33am

Airline food can also be used as a highly effective biological weapon.

112 got milk?  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:41:54am

MANCHESTER – Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich yesterday said the country will be forced to reexamine freedom of speech to meet the threat of terrorism.

Gingrich, speaking at a Manchester awards banquet, said a "different set of rules" may be needed to reduce terrorists' ability to use the Internet and free speech to recruit and get out their message

113 flyover_templar  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:42:51am

Does anyone think these terrorists REALLY believe they can hijack planes again?

Have we not all learned from 9/11? Who among us will go down without a fight?

This is a grand diversion folks.

Regardless, don't put up with this BS if it happens on your plane.

/FT

114 SpringheelJack  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:43:40am

#79 Judith
re: the seat belt extenders:

Belts have long been used as improvised weapons in bar fights.

A heavy metal buckle at the end of a strong two-foot strap? Oh yeah, somebody who knows how to use one can kill a guy with one.

If a bunch of muslim men positioned themselves in a plane like hijackers, and then acquired improvised weapons, I would become very concerned

115 realwest  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:43:52am

#111 Occasional Reader -A-effin'Men! LOL!

116 THX-42  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:44:09am

#108

does anyone know a term for an irrational lack of fear?

Ummm...that would be "phobophobia".

117 mich-again  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:47:22am

Mark Twain said "A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can put its shoes on." So, I'm not at all surprised to hear these details percolating up now after a week of one-sided reporting about Islamophobia, prejudice and racism by American passengers.

But if these guys really sat in first-class seats not assigned to them, they had to know they were going to create a serious incident regardless of everything else. Obviously.

Respected spiritual leaders or not, anyone who would try pulling a stunt like that is just pure gutter trash. My aplogies to gutter trash.

118 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:47:55am

Try 17's link to the latest Ann Coulter.

She's right: bet more folks will fly US Air.

119 SpringheelJack  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:49:08am

One thing I just thought of: there is a criminal technique to spot who the plainclothes security people are, which involves having a member of the gang act suspicious, just to see who starts looking at him closely

120 WriterMom  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:50:05am

#10 Chicken Kiev

Dry run!

DING DING DING DING DING!

121 RadicalRon  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:50:15am
#112 gotmilk

Gingrich (and Hannity) is suffering from the grand delusion that he'll be the next POTUS.

I can't think of a more efficient way to give the '08 election to Hillary Ilyich - in a landslide - than by the GOP nominating Gingrich to be the standard bearer.


Wait, yes I can: Katherine Harris

122 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:51:53am
123 Judith  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:52:37am
But without the "mumbo jumbo" of the Spiritual Ways, your body will never be ahead of time and space, where it must be.

Enrolled all my kids in mumbo jumbo. My eldest was jumped by three guys at school and he came out with a black eye. They came out with a broken knee for one, three fractured ribs including a lung puncture on the second, and a broken nose and wrist for the third.

He saw it coming and put himself in front of a security video camera to prove it was self defense. The scene looks like something out of kung fu movie. He took karate, taikwon do, and added in street fighting.

My daughter went from karate starting before kindergarden into boxing and kick boxing. Her first hit was a grade three boy who thought it was fun to knock kindergarden girls down and lift up their dresses and peek at their underwear. (The teachers 'let's all be nice' approach failed to resolve the issue and she did warn him.) He stopped doing that. Some guy tried date rape once. Tried being the operative word.

My unarmed younger son took karate and he ended up unhurt except for a cut up hand in spite of accidentally ending up in huge a gang brawl where some people had guns and knives and other people died. (The hand blocked a knife slice.)

The mumbo jumbo gives you both the self discipline to know when to hit and when to not hit and knowledge you need to do it right first time. It also teaches you how to take a hit yourself without going into shock and losing your wits even if you're hurting.

Responsible parents teach self defense in a structured class. You can always add in the down and dirty street fighting stuff afterward. That goes double for girls.

Oh and I like the idea of the lap top as weapon. Very good that.

124 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:53:19am

When we wise up and cut the political correctness shiite before we do lose our sense of freedom because we might get our feelings hurt being accused of being racist, then this will stop.

Next time Omad, Mo, Abdul, or Al-Bundy asks for a seat-belt extender to purposely make a scene and be a pain in the ass, I'd pulled one of these out of bin to Extend and tell him I'll tighten it real snug for him.

Of course, that might get me labeled as racist or bigot. But why would I care being that those calling me that are morons?

125 Promethea  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:54:17am

Seatbelt extensions would make great weapons, right?

If so, we should all ask for them every time we get suspicious of certain passengers.

126 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:54:23am

#71 DoctorDentons...

Sheila Jackson Lee is an example of what happens when women pull their braids too tight welfare collecting, uneducated, double-digit IQ types are allowed to vote.

There, tidied it up a bit! :)

127 mustrum  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:55:53am

#100 Poitiers Lepanto

No bad tone intended.

It is just my disillusionment with most Oriental martial arts. I trained Aikido with Bruce Stiles in Guelph, Canada, and I tried Karate in a few places. I found Aikido to be fun and interesting, but not effective as a martial art. It is too much like dancing. And except for Kokyushinkai and the other full-contact knockoffs, I found Karate stifiling, ineffective and for the most part dull. How much can you mill empty air while doing kata?.
Now I'm doing free-style wrestling and sabre fencing (Polish cavalry saber) in Warsaw. The Oriental, and especially the Japanese martial arts may be good for some, but for getting fit there's nothing like a pre-wrestling warmup and then an hour of genuine fighting to get you in the groove of defending yourself and attacking at every opportunity. All this several times per week.

I think that the best thing to do to a would-be highjacker is to make him hit the floor from about five feet up, sit on his chest and pound his face till he stops twitching. Perhaps then say a brief prayer over his soul.
Now, that is tough talk, and I'm not sure how I would react in a situation when some freak tried to highjack the plane I was on. I would like to think that I would act to stop him, I am afraid that I might sit like a sheep. I just don't know. But knowing that I trained in something that is mostly designed to develop my fighting skills and physical ability would definitely give me more confidence to act.

128 WriterMom  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:56:03am

The Jihadis are watching the reactions VERY CAREFULLY. They are listening to what the airlines say-and will incorporate it into their next missions.

129 bweep  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 6:57:04am

Apply my patented Klu Klux Klan test to this. If they were all Klansmen and 10% of these allegations were being made, how would the story play in the MSM?

130 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:03:24am

It's very simple. Moronic bullies understand but one thing: FORCE.

Next time Ali and his friends want to pray for awhile and hold up about 200 passengers, I suggest the baddest MOFO on the plane tell the attendant to open the door.

When Ali is winged out of the fuselage head first to the tarmac with his prayer rug in close pursuit, this shiite will stop.

131 Leper  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:03:34am

#129 bweep: Great test idea! (Should we have Michael Richards take the test too?)

132 Kerfuffle  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:03:40am

#80
#100

Don't discount Aikido and other forms out of hand as 'mystic mumbo jumbo'.

I have studied Sanchin Ryu for a while now. It's an Okinawan based karate. We learn to work in all situations, including in close/tight situations.

133 DANEgerus  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:10:12am

Does an airliner have to go down, taken by hijackers using seat-belt extensions used as weapons, for anyone to notice that this was a deliberate test? A series of carefully scripted provocations intended to reveal the counter-measures?

As a comic aside, Sheila Jackson-Lee(D) has used her own experiences to defend the imams:

Throw Imama from the Plane II

She's been thrown off of Continental Airlines several times. Once, she went off the plane thinking she had left it in the gate area. And by the time she left the plane, the plane taxied away. And they found her purse back onboard the plane. Well, the gate crew explained, you know, look, FAA rules say that the plane can't come back to the gate, and we'll get your purse somehow to you. Well, she wasn't convinced, and actually alleged racism by the gate crew and the manager, who ended up being a black woman. So, basically just throwing hissy fits in the middle of the airport.

Ms. Jackson-Lee has been accused ( eg. filmed ) of having the taxpayers foot the bill for her limo ride to work each day – about one block’s distance – in violation of the rules of the House of Representatives.

Reports say the congresswoman screamed over the phone, “You don’t understand. I am a queen, and I demand to be treated like a queen!” ( hence the nick-name 'Queen-Lee' )

134 sandspur  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:11:55am

104 Occasional Reader

Not to mention the Sony "incendiary weapon" option!


Dang! You made me shoot soda out of my nose!

135 J. Lichty  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:12:15am

I'm curious if a seat belt extender could be used as a weapon.

Many things can be used as weapons. That is why the person carrying an item is so important. That is why El Al profiles through face to face questioning of all passengers.

There is no way to eliminate everything that could be used as weapon, so we must look elsewehere - but we won't.

136 Eagle  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:12:48am

Some lefty slogans are actually applicable to this incident, not that I would ever use them:


"It's too soon!"

"Why can't they be more sensitive?"

"Why are they so arrogant?"

"They should prmote dialogue, not aggression."

// frustrated with the weirods

137 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:15:18am

#123 Judith

I'm very glad to hear that the "mumbo jumbo" helped !

Close contact fighting involves a lot of MENTAL,(GOOD OLD AND USEFUL ANIMAL FEAR), purely physical training doesn't prepare for the moment of truth and, as you say, the "mumbo jumbo"

also teaches you how to take a hit yourself without going into shock and losing your wits even if you're hurting.

#127 Mustrum

I know there are many Teachers who are good persons BUT have never been in a real fight for their life. That's the problem with any martial School.

And since we are talking about what can happen when confronted with real life situations, allow me an advice: REMEMBER THE BASIC LAW OF FEAR:
IN COMBAT YOU LOSE (AT LEAST) 45% of your technique because of fear.

And the basic law of all Oriental martial arts cannot be taken as a joke either, it is a basic teaching that gets nearly all the attackers:

WHEN YOU ARE PULLED, PUSH
WHEN YOU ARE PUSHED, PULL

Which, of course, is literally true BUT is a metaphor too, to be applied creatively.
But without the "mumbo jumbo"...the creative part gets really difficult...

138 FabioC.  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:15:18am

I think that any fighting training is better than nothing.

A guy thought he could still bully me at 27, but he went home with a swollen eye as a reminder. That occurred after I did some karate.

Later on, I defended a girl in the Soho late at night, and got punched in the face - not a bad one, and I did not go down. Alcohol played a role in slowing my reaction, but thinking about it later, I didn't know who the other guy was. He could have been a serious fighter. Anyway, that accident shook my self-confidence a bit.

Since then, I did some more muay thai, and it seems a discipline more effective than karate for streetfighting. But I had no need to prove my skills again (yet?).

139 mn_marine_mp  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:20:35am

My letter to Reperesentative Jackson Lee:

Madam,

I just read your comments in a Washington Post article:

Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, Texas Democrat, said the September 11 terrorist attacks "cannot be permitted to be used to justify racial profiling, harassment and discrimination of Muslim and Arab Americans."
"Understandably, the imams felt profiled, humiliated, and discriminated against by their treatment," she said.

Even though I do not hail from the fine state of Texas, I feel obliged to say that as a representative of the people, you do not represent my views as an American.

Maybe you don't fly commercial air, but the rest of us do and we sure as hell believe that September 11th DOES justify profiling of people acting suspiciously while on an airplane for God's sake! Isn't Democracy supposed to be "majority rules"? When did it turn into "accomodate the smallest minority at the expense of everyone else"?

With all due respect, your comments are at best insane, and at worst undermine the war against our enemies and provide aid and comfort to the enemy. At a time when our men are in harm's way (as I have been), fighting for the American way, your comments are particularly troubling.

In the future, before you speak, please think about the little people you represent and not your personal agenda.

140 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:22:20am

#138 Fabio C.

But I had no need to prove my skills again (yet?).

No you have not, because your experience proves that the you can beat the strongest attacker (that is: fear).

Kudos for defending girls late at night.

/now if any feminist says I am patronizing I get really angry.

141 varmint  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:24:39am

[Link: www.attackcartoons.com...]


the best airline ad campaing ever.

142 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:25:00am

Since my first comment I ever posted on LGF was about Shelia Jackson-Lee and her lovely physical and mental attributes, which was then deleted, I'll tread lightly.

But I will say what a sad commentary on America when we allow someone like Jackson-Lee to reside in our highest offices. She's a thug, a thief, a bully, and a race-baiting demogogue. Charlie Rangel acts like Mother Theresa compared to Ms. Shelia.

No wonder we are going down the tubes when thousands of people think a female version of Robert Mugabe worthy of congressional representation.

143 Brees  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:30:37am

So when it happens again & the airline security does nothing, which leads to an airliner exploding....

....it will be Bushes fault for creating terrorists?

144 gymnast  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:33:34am

New ad slogan for US Airways:

"The careful airline that gets you there".

145 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:37:13am

OT: but oh so good, make way for the...

PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF KYOTO

It would have been so much more convenient for the eco-doomsayers if this hurricane season had turned out as they originally predicted. But, now they have to deal with an inconvenient truth --specifically, that the 2006 hurricane season was unexpectedly a lot more tranquil than anticipated.

Jesse Jackson, noted climate expert, said while surveying the damage of Katrina in New Orleans last year: "Global warming is no longer academic, global warming is real."

Al Gore, former vice president and current environmental policy pimp has gravely warned Americans that, " We are altering the balance of energy between our planet and the rest of the universe*."

Whoh! Did you realize that the future of the galaxy--of the universe!--was at stake here?

Dr Sanity coins one for the ages!

*that one of Big Al's is spectacular. It is, as they say in science, not even "wrong", it's just plain stupid.

146 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:44:21am

#145 Kenneth

Al Gore, former vice president ...has gravely warned Americans that, " We are altering the balance of energy between our planet and the rest of the universe."

This is beyond the pale.
The guy will end up in an asylum.

147 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:45:36am
123 Judith 11/28/2006 08:52AM PST

Jeez. Just where the Hell do you live? The West Bank?

148 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:51:59am

#146 Poitiers-Lepanto

Hey, Al Gore must be right after all! Here's a NASA picture showing the earth really is out of balance with the rest of the universe. Wow, get a load of that accretion disk!

149 Curt  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:55:37am

Interesting remarks above....really great comments....

Also interestingly enough....I was writin' my thoughts over the last few days.

Here's Part I: The Ratchet and the Governor - Tools for Today. Links in there lead you to parts II and III.

Oh, so topical.

150 Jay777  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:57:07am

...

151 Stringart  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 7:59:33am

#145 Kenneth

Jesse Jackson, noted climate expert, said while surveying the damage of Katrina in New Orleans last year: "Global warming is no longer academic, global warming is real."

Yeah, I know that any weather events proves global warming, but I'd sure be curious how Jesse Jackson, noted climate expert, and Algore explain this:

Yesterday
Max Temp. -23.8°C
Min Temp. -28.1°C (wind chill -41C)

Regional Normals
Max Temp. 0°C
Min Temp. -11°C

Daytime highs 24 degrees below normal and I'm supposed to get all panicky about global warming? Ain't gonna happen.

152 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 8:06:45am

A couple of thoughts.

One, I would never stay on a plane with jackasses like these guys. Either they leave or I leave. Congrats to the airline for putting their foot down and tossing these clowns. I will be fully disappointed if they in turn apologize in any way, shape or form. After 9-11 I just don't care about the rights of muslims.

Two, sooner or later, another bunch of muslims are going to hijack a plane and kill a bunch of people and when that happens, I don't think CAIR is going to be so warmly received. As a matter of fact, if there is another major attack and CAIR does the same apologist bullshit, I think open season and them is fully appropriate.

Finally, if the scum in CAIR had a brain in their head they would realize their only path to survival is to prevent another attack because when it happens ever the limpwristed liberals are going to think twice what fat-ass Hooper thinks.

153 ladycatnip  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 8:11:16am

A law should be made prohibiting this type of behavior, making those who do this liable for heavy prison time.

We can't speak the word 'bomb' while checking in or boarding, so why should muslims be allowed to do this sort of barbaric, criminal behavior.

Sheila Jackson-Lee is an idiot. Now that we have the dems in charge, I have a sick feeling that any new laws will be to the benefit of Islam whose precious rights are so passionately defended by the liberals. The only ones who will serve prison time will be the passengers who report the behavior.

154 Murqtaad  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 8:12:54am

Captain Spaulding,

What? You don't find yourself in the middle of a good old fashioned gang war every once in awhile? Why just this morning 3 ninjas jumped me on my way to my car. I emerged unscathed, except for a headache, which may or may not have been caused by excessive drinking last night...

155 mjazzguitar  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 8:13:01am

What is needed is high-tech surveillance systems like the casinos have, so abuses like these can be documented.

156 mjazzguitar  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 8:25:01am

#54 Owl

islam has already won, and it wasn't even a fair fight

I guess he wants to make the one wish/Tairos coalition a trinity now.

157 jill e  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 8:28:08am

#153

Isn't yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater against the law? Why can't these heathens be charged with a crime? Think of the parents on board with children and elderly persons who were scared out of their wits!

158 mjazzguitar  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 8:29:41am

#64 J. Lichty

We won this round, but will lose this battle before long.

For Christ's sake, what's with all this defeatist shit all of a sudden?

159 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 8:30:40am

Its all about intimidating the infidel.

This is just a tactic in their war against us.

160 bebe's boobs destroy  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 8:38:06am

Pops taught we girls that EVERYTHING is a weapon. Ears can be torn off, eyes gouged out, nads removed. Although I'm also now looking at taking some Krav Maga classes. :)

161 Florida Lady  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 8:39:10am

Speaking for the considerable # of my family members and me . . .

We're flying US Air from now on!

Now if they would only acquire Delta . . . there will be many more safe routes up and down the US East Coast.

Here's hoping!

162 westoner  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 8:55:50am

These set-ups are all about getting the stupid Kafirs to practice self-censorship, so that in future, when they see muslims acting suspiciously, they’ll turn a blind eye like good PC indoctrinated liberals.

163 mjazzguitar  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 8:57:58am

# 153 ladycatnip 11/28/2006


A law should be made prohibiting this type of behavior, making those who do this liable for heavy prison time.

Airlines could also choose to deny them service in the future.

164 Aelius Rex  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 9:10:20am

#133

Down here in houston we just call her "Queen Sheila".

165 Chyron  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 9:27:19am
#151 Stringart 11/28/2006 09:59AM PST

#145 Kenneth

Jesse Jackson, noted climate expert, said while surveying the damage of Katrina in New Orleans last year: "Global warming is no longer academic, global warming is real."

Yeah, I know that any weather events proves global warming, but I'd sure be curious how Jesse Jackson, noted climate expert, and Algore explain this:

Yesterday
Max Temp. -23.8°C
Min Temp. -28.1°C (wind chill -41C)

Regional Normals
Max Temp. 0°C
Min Temp. -11°C

Daytime highs 24 degrees below normal and I'm supposed to get all panicky about global warming? Ain't gonna happen.

The kicker is that these global warming nuts would have you believe the low temperatures are caused by global warming.

Global warming serves well as a political tool, but not so well as any kind of real science. It can't even create valid predictions (the core of scientific theory).

166 Egfrow  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 9:38:27am

If they Arabs would spend half as much time trying to invent things that were useful as they did trying to kill Jews then we wouldn't need to be in Iraq.

167 mattm  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 9:46:43am

What the hel is wrong whue Sheila Jackson Lee? If some Arab is yelling Allah in a airport they need to be arrested, just like if you make a joke about a bomb or gun. Shame on the TX rep, this is exactly what a future hijacker would want.

168 iceman1960  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 9:52:32am

I say next time wait till you reach cruising altitude before booting them off the plane

169 HeatherRadish  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 10:03:03am
The kicker is that these global warming nuts would have you believe the low temperatures are caused by global warming.

You can sum it all up as "climate change"--still touted as a bad thing, as if the climate has never changed. God must have put these fossilzed sea creatures in Iowa just to confuse us.

170 EC Marm  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 10:08:59am

This is a terrible thought, if the muslims were really mad and wanted to punish US Airways, they would make it their exclusive airline of choice.

But seriously, flying needs to be considered a privilege, subject to revocation for any mischief. In their twisted little minds these imams feel that they need to submit only to allah. Well, I think the people that bought and maintain those planes, that provide jobs for thousands, that ensure the safety of the public that flies in those planes, have a major say in who they permit aboard.

I was disgusted yesterday when I saw the photograph of the photographers and cameramen crawling on the floor in front of one of these carpet kissing creeps at Reagan National. This blog has some interesting details about the Christian and Jewish clergy that joined in the protest.

171 miguelj  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 10:14:30am

The old question: qui bono?
What did these imams get out of doing this? What did they lose?
For the fleeting pleasure (!) of scaring a planeful of passengers, they are now (one hopes) on a permanent Watch List.
What did they risk? On the ground, not much. If they'd tried those stunts while the plane was airborne, there's a good chance the other passengers might've stabbed them to death with the plastic dessert spoons.

172 miguelj  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 10:18:05am

Didn't Bill Clinton come up with a solution a while ago: have one passenger in every row be a naked woman?

173 Confuzed  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 11:08:18am

Question:
What would happen if passengers made it so unpleasant for the Mos to fly that the Mos would boycott a certain airline?
Answer:
That airline's business would boom as "infidels" would more than make up for lost business.
Suggestion:
No more special meals for anyone. You have your choice of pork chops or BLT.
Result:
No Mos flying on certain airline. One less airline having to worry about terrorism.

174 Zombie Mohammed  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 11:30:01am
As a practical matter, therefore, "Islamophobia" does not exist. As a matter of fact, does anyone know a term for an irrational lack of fear?

People who lack fear tend to be sociopaths. A good example is when you see a convicted serial killer, he is always smiling. He just has no understanding of the trouble he is in.

175 samhein  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 12:23:18pm

"....MANCHESTER – Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich yesterday said the country will be forced to reexamine freedom of speech to meet the threat of terrorism...."

Here we go again. Let's remove the rights of everyone else in the United Stats, because we have a government who doesn't want to stand up to the muslims and their terrorism.

This crap has to stop.

176 proud chickenhawk  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 12:40:41pm

And those involved with the pray in were simply Rabbis and Christian ministers...

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

177 Thin Blue Line  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 1:17:33pm

Islam is not a race.

178 Pierre_Legrand[deleted]  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 1:25:13pm
179 grandma  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 1:38:18pm

I haven’t had the pleasure of flying anywhere in quite a while, but two weeks ago a family emergency caused me to book a flight from Charlotte, NC to Newark, NJ. Had I witnessed any kind of nonsense like these Imams presented, I would have taken the following steps:

Make my concerns known to both the airline and the law enforcement agencies

Cancel my ticket on that flight, and let the airline know the exact reason why

Get a local hotel room for the night, if necessary, and arrange for transportation and meals for myself

Rebook on the next day’s flight after stupid Imams were gone

Would that have cost me time and expense? You betcha. It could have cost me hundreds and maybe a coupla thousand dollars. Is my life worth it? Again, you betcha.

If everyone booked on the Imams flight did the same, the message to the airlines would have been priceless, as are our lives. Beat them at their own game.

Just my $.02.

180 grandma  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 1:41:38pm

p.s. to my #179,

I would have let the media know about my experience, too.

181 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 1:45:53pm

#145 Kenneth

Al Gore, former vice president and current environmental policy pimp has gravely warned Americans that, " We are altering the balance of energy between our planet and the rest of the universe*."

Which just goes to prove that he's an imbicile. Even if you accept the entire global warming argument, hook, line, and sinker, it doesn't affect the energy balance! It just finds another temperature equilibrium to maintain the balance!

I think that impersonating a scientist should be a capital crime. And drooling idiocy should be an enhancement.

182 neocon hippie  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 2:41:23pm

#165 Chyron

The kicker is that these global warming nuts would have you believe the low temperatures are caused by global warming.

In other words, "Heads I win, tails you lose."

When a supposedly scientific theory cannot be falsified, it has no credibility.

183 dak  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 2:47:03pm

Obviously an engineered incident. They were going out of their way to get kicked out. So they could get CAIRS on the case, get lawyers and politicians involved.

Later, when this has gone on 5 or 6 times they can cry about Islamophobia and get the airlines to back off on suspicious behaviour by Muslims.

Then they can blow up a couple more airliners.

I see any of those bastards pulling this shit when I take the plane, I'm gonna be sitting right with them, go to the can right with them and ask them how come a billion muslims don't have the nuts to destroy a tiny country like Israel, if they like to emulate Mohammed by marrying 6 year olds etc. Let them start something.

184 nextmike  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 3:03:44pm

Oh no! I am watching Paula Zahn on CNN (no choice, I'm in a hotel) and they have an "exclusive" interview with the imams. Let's see if CNN plays softabll with these imams or if they dare bring up the behaviour cited in thie article. I'll keep the group posted,

185 dak  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 3:06:49pm

Good points about the seat belt extenders. Lovely weapon. I will aks for one the next time I go on a plane and there are weird muslim passengers. And make sure they see me take one. Or maybe just carry a pool ball and nylons in my hand luggage. And a roll of quarters. And my nice parker stainless-steel pen. I can always sharpen a CD and keep it in my diskman, I mean who listen to those anymore?

Etc.

186 Gretchen  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 3:20:02pm

Can someone explain something to me - how is this discrimination when these guys act like spoiled schoolboys by displaying every profiled behavior, however Muslim cab drivers can discriminate against people with seeing eye dogs and passengers carrying booze. How about if the airline pilot decides it against his religion to carry morons bent on scaring the other passengers half to death with stupid antics?

As far as Sheila Jackson Lee the woman is a moron. I hope her stupid bill gets media attention and she helps America realize the left will get us all killed.

187 dak  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 3:41:33pm

About "techniques" and fighting, check this out.


-Spoiler-

The 1987 Canadian team was on its way to the gold, but they gave it up to give the Commies a lickin' they deserved for playing like assholes. The refs(fuckin Europeans) did not step in to stop the Russians. So as hockey requires, the players set things right.

rthis is what you have to do if asshloes pull some shit on your flight. Get in their faces. Oh, and don't forget the jersey pull.

188 scorched earth 138  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 3:46:43pm

I think us vets need to start having 'Nam, Panama, Desert Storm, Afghan, and Iraq flashbacks if these hadjis pull this shi'ite in our presence... PTSD defense, anyone?

189 ladycatnip  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 4:06:54pm

#157 jill e and 163 mjazzguitar,

Jill, you're absolutely right. Islamic prayers in public and shouting "allah!" or mentioning al-queda/osama binladen should be treated exactly the same as yelling "fire!" in an auditorium.

mjazzguitar,

I wish the airlines would refuse them the privilege of flying, but without laws in place to protect the airlines, they'd be sued silly by CAIR if they chose not to. All CAIR is interested in is creating faux situations like this so they can sue on discriminatory grounds. Their intimidation and bullying is having a magic effect on liberals -- any laws they pass will be to the muslim's benefit, not ours.

190 thefrollickingmole  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 4:33:51pm

nextmike .

Id be intersted as to why seatbelt extenders were wanted. See if that gets asked.
This is a set up to
A: Create a greivance
B: Create a lawsuit
C: Get security "modified" as a result of said lawsuit
D: Repeat, until security approaches pre 9-11 stage again.
Personal enrichment will be part of the reason for such blatant posing. Weakening security will be the main payoff though.
I guess that makes them part of the "silent majority" of muslims who wouldnt engage in Jihad but have no problem indirectly (ie. without risk to themselves) supporting it by any other means.

191 antipilgerite  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 4:39:02pm

How were these imams treated any differently than a passenger of any other religion would be treated? If I see a Christian passenger quietly praying on a plane, I'm gonna think "Wow, he must be really devout if he can say grace over airline food" and leave him in peace. If some nutty fundamentalist starts talking loudly about the rapture and asking us if we're all ready to meet Jesus, I'm gonna wonder if he's one of those "God Hates Fags" psychopaths and if he's planning to rush the cockpit. Call a flight attendant? Damn right. Or silence him with the largest blunt object in my carry-on bag.

As other posters have pointed out, this was purely a "PC test" on the part of the Imams. They're trying to make passengers reluctant to report suspicious muslim behaviour on airlines for fear of being labeled "Islamophobes". In doing so, they're furthering the aims of the next Mohammed Atta or Richard Reid. Bad news, guys: that shit doesn't fly (if you'll pardon the expression)anymore since 9-11.

192 bitsy  Tue, Nov 28, 2006 5:01:52pm

Just in case someone hasn't made this joke already:

Thats it! I've had it with these mother f^%*ing imams on this mother f@#$in plane!

193 hurricane567  Wed, Nov 29, 2006 12:06:37am

Matthew 6:5
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

194 Jed  Wed, Nov 29, 2006 4:37:45am

The tactic -

Provoke confrontation and then yell 'Islamophobia'.

Another phony act to add to CAIR's phony list.

195 Adrenalyn  Thu, Nov 30, 2006 8:47:29am

well, the simple solution is to travel like Adrenalyn does

with porn and pork products close at hand

use as you would Kryptonite with Superman


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