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1 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:22:37pm

honco

2 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:22:44pm

Honcos!

3 Hard Right  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:23:01pm

Honco honco

4 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:23:12pm

And away we go! ;-)

5 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:23:19pm
6 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:23:20pm

Scottish Sobriety Test

7 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:23:48pm

re: #3 Hard Right

Honco honco

Richard Pryor

8 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:23:58pm

re: #1 apachegunner

re: #2 Leonidas Hoplite

re: #3 Hard Right

If we can't honco, will a beep do?

9 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:24:16pm

I've heard the capitol set aside parking for 400 busses for the nobama celebration. They have requests for 35

10 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:24:22pm

re: #6 karmic_inquisitor

Scottish Sobriety Test



ROTFL!

11 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:24:40pm

re: #6 karmic_inquisitor

Scottish Sobriety Test


[Video]

ROFL!

12 jaunte  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:24:45pm

Honco d'oro

13 bosforus  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:24:45pm

re: #1 apachegunner

Honco's going to become the new "first".

14 Hard Right  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:24:51pm

re: #7 debutaunt

Richard Pryor

Get out of my mind!

Dead Honco!

15 astronmr20  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:24:56pm

So am I the only one who thinks it was a silly stunt for Pajamas Media to send Joe Werzelbacker to Israel?

16 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:24:57pm

re: #7 debutaunt

Richard Pryor

That's one of the top five SNL skits.

17 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:25:22pm

re: #9 apachegunner

I've heard the capitol set aside parking for 400 busses for the nobama celebration. They have requests for 35

Just how does one throw a bus, under the bus?

18 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:25:23pm

Because it's so true--Taqqiya then, taqqiya now--Dan Rather, CNN, the whole lotta liars theme:

repeating a haiku someone sent to WaPo many years ago on the theme of Teddy's older brother John Kennedy:

Camelot mystique
Masking a philanderer
We didn't know Jack.

19 Hard Right  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:25:47pm

re: #8 jcm

re: #2 Leonidas Hoplite

re: #3 Hard Right

If we can't honco, will a beep do?

Beep beep. Beep beep. His horn went beep beep beep.

20 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:25:52pm

Clean-up aisle #1071

21 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:25:54pm

Obama team urges delay in digital TV transition

Women, minorities hardest hit.

22 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:26:02pm

I can't get my Honco outta 2nd gear, damn import cars...

23 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:26:12pm

re: #13 bosforus

Honco's going to become the new "first".

yes, I kinda thought so

24 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:26:13pm

re: #15 astronmr20

So am I the only one who thinks it was a silly stunt for Pajamas Media to send Joe Werzelbacker to Israel?

After what he went thru, he deserves a vacation.

25 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:26:25pm

re: #15 astronmr20

So am I the only one who thinks it was a silly stunt for Pajamas Media to send Joe Werzelbacker to Israel?


* * * *
Joe the Plumber was also Joe the US Military Veteran, so he knows a thing or two about service to country, for liberty & freedom--which CNN does not.

26 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:26:49pm

re: #15 astronmr20

So am I the only one who thinks it was a silly stunt for Pajamas Media to send Joe Werzelbacker to Israel?

I'd guess you're not the only one.
I'd also guess I'm not the only one who views it as a good move.

Time will tell who is more-righterer.

27 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:27:11pm

re: #15 astronmr20

So am I the only one who thinks it was a silly stunt for Pajamas Media to send Joe Werzelbacker to Israel?

Well, Gazans are full of shit.

28 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:27:22pm

re: #16 MandyManners

That's one of the top five SNL skits.

His face was hilarious!

29 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:27:31pm

re: #16 MandyManners

That's one of the top five SNL skits.

It has offensive language.

30 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:27:31pm
31 Dianna  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:27:40pm

re: #15 astronmr20

He can talk and think on his feet, so...no.

32 Hard Right  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:27:45pm

re: #28 debutaunt

His face was hilarious!


Dead honkey.

33 Pyroskank  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:28:10pm

Root Beer is vastly overrated. In other news, RC Cola gets a bad rap. Stuff's pretty good.

34 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:28:14pm

re: #6 karmic_inquisitor

Scottish Sobriety Test



Was that Helen Thomas?

35 astronmr20  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:28:21pm

re: #25 alegrias

* * * *
Joe the Plumber was also Joe the US Military Veteran, so he knows a thing or two about service to country, for liberty & freedom--which CNN does not.

On indeed he does, I'm not disputing that. Most likely any "citizen journalist" would be more objective than CNN.

Still, it seems.... cheesy.

36 Hard Right  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:29:01pm

re: #35 astronmr20

On indeed he does, I'm not disputing that. Most likely any "citizen journalist" would be more objective than CNN.

Still, it seems.... cheesy.

It's not easy being cheesy.

37 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:29:09pm

re: #21 Ward Cleaver

Obama team urges delay in digital TV transition

Women, minorities hardest hit.

Let's have another six months of scare tv announcement warnings.

38 bosforus  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:29:30pm

re: #21 Ward Cleaver

too many Americans who rely on analog TV sets to pick up over-the-air channels won't be ready.

So let me get this straight - if a year's worth of preparation and giving away converter boxes didn't work, what will? And if their TV's go out, they can always stimulate the economy by buying a new one.

39 Hard Right  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:29:32pm

re: #37 debutaunt

Let's have another six months of scare tv announcement warnings.

I got my discount card. Woohoo.

40 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:29:59pm

re: #38 bosforus

So let me get this straight - if a year's worth of preparation and giving away converter boxes didn't work, what will? And if their TV's go out, they can always stimulate the economy by buying a new one.


or we can buy them one

41 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:30:04pm

re: #5 jcm

It's very, very wet in the Northwet.

Global raining?

42 turn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:30:08pm

re: #1 apachegunner

honco

re: #2 Leonidas Hoplite

Honcos!

re: #3 Hard Right

Honco honco

A triple honco thread, ha! Night all, time to go walk the lab along the American.

43 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:30:09pm

re: #25 alegrias

* * * *
Joe the Plumber was also Joe the US Military Veteran, so he knows a thing or two about service to country, for liberty & freedom--which CNN does not.

Somebody found out he was/was not in the service?
Linky? (curiosity only)

44 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:30:14pm

re: #15 astronmr20

So am I the only one who thinks it was a silly stunt for Pajamas Media to send Joe Werzelbacker to Israel?

He's probably better for the job than any of the usual suspects. I just hope he's packing heat or has an AH-1Z Cobra backing him up or something, or we may end up paying "technical expenses" to Hamas.

45 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:30:21pm

re: #34 sattv4u2

Was that Helen Thomas?

*shudder* Trust me, she ain't Scottish!

46 Soona'  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:31:05pm

re: #21 Ward Cleaver

Obama team urges delay in digital TV transition

Women, minorities hardest hit.

This is a good example of how ignorant so many people in the US are today. Sad. (and irratating)

47 DEZes  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:31:09pm

re: #34 sattv4u2

Was that Helen Thomas?

Thar would require another 1/5th. ;)

48 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:31:11pm

re: #45 scottishbuzzsaw

*shudder* Trust me, she ain't Scottish!


thanks cuz, I was almost ready to say the same thing. Again, great minds huh?

49 Pigtown Water Dog  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:31:32pm

Hi, Sharmuta-
Just wanted to thank you for the lol "5 Presidents" from this morning. When I see you post, I'll up-ding!

50 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:31:42pm

re: #45 scottishbuzzsaw

*shudder* Trust me, she ain't Scottish!

Oh She used to be jewish also.

51 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:31:49pm

re: #47 DEZes

Thar would require another 1/5th. ;)

That would require the whole thing! and a beer.

52 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:32:10pm

re: #38 bosforus

So let me get this straight - if a year's worth of preparation and giving away converter boxes didn't work, what will? And if their TV's go out, they can always stimulate the economy by buying a new one.

If the TV industry were US-based, we'd hear calls for a bailout by subsidizing new TVs. But they're made elsewhere.
(Strange - just got a Samsung, made in Mexico. It replaced a Zenith, also made in Mexico, somewhat over 10 years ago, that still worked, but the colors were getting faded.)

53 astronmr20  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:32:27pm

re: #30 buzzsawmonkey

It's no sillier than sending anyone else. And if he can provide some nice plain-language reportage, he might be a useful antidote to some of the mealymouthmedia.

Why do you think it was silly?

I think it smacks of desperation and limelight-mania. Joe may indeed turn out to be a fine correspondent, but because of the cloud surrounding him, it just seems like a desperate ploy for attention... by PJ media.

Looking in from the outside, here's the guy who went on tour with McCain, then became a musician, then an actor, now a war correspondent.

Again, he may do well, but..... I dunno.

54 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:32:39pm

re: #32 Hard Right

Dead honkey.

Peckerwood.

55 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:33:02pm

re: #35 astronmr20

On indeed he does, I'm not disputing that. Most likely any "citizen journalist" would be more objective than CNN.

Still, it seems.... cheesy.

* * *
Joe the Plumber was the only person to ask the Democrat candidate for President a tough question.

I hope Joe the Plumber gets rich quick, because he had GUTS. Like David against Goliath.

Meanwhile loserman John McCain has just put together another funding PAC for himself called "Country First". Please don't spend another nickle on McCain, with the 9 houses his wife owns and private jets.

56 bosforus  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:33:26pm
We are extremely pleased the incoming administration is supportive of consumer efforts to ensure that the poor, elderly and rural consumers do not face economic hardship as we move broadcasting to digital transmission

WTF, these people can't afford to mail in a rebate?
[I really don't care that much, other than the principle of the thing]

57 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:33:34pm

re: #48 apachegunner

thanks cuz, I was almost ready to say the same thing. Again, great minds huh?

Indeed...(and even if she was, we'd never claim her!)

58 DEZes  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:33:40pm

re: #51 jwb7605

That would require the whole thing! and a beer.


Agreed! ;)

59 Wishing  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:34:03pm

re: #55 alegrias

* * *
Joe the Plumber was the only person to ask the Democrat candidate for President a tough question.

I hope Joe the Plumber gets rich quick, because he had GUTS. Like David against Goliath.

Meanwhile loserman John McCain has just put together another funding PAC for himself called "Country First". Please don't spend another nickle on McCain, with the 9 houses his wife owns and private jets.

Isn't Joe the Plumber working for Pajama Media now?

60 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:34:23pm

re: #47 DEZes

Thar would require another 1/5th. ;)

At least.

61 Tumulus11  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:34:31pm

. The secret honco sign is: 'Ed'.


The countersign is 'Hochuli'.

62 Rancher  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:34:45pm

I'm a honco honco burning love

63 astronmr20  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:34:55pm

re: #59 Wishing

Isn't Joe the Plumber working for Pajama Media now?

Read up thread a bit. Thats what the conversation is about.

64 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:35:11pm

re: #52 Kosh's Shadow

If the TV industry were US-based, we'd hear calls for a bailout by subsidizing new TVs. But they're made elsewhere.
(Strange - just got a Samsung, made in Mexico. It replaced a Zenith, also made in Mexico, somewhat over 10 years ago, that still worked, but the colors were getting faded.)

Zenith was made in the good old USA as of 1972.
Met my wife at Zenith, May, that year.

Then the Japs bought them out ('75, I think), and eventually started producing in Mexico.

Does anybody know if Curtis Mathes is still in business?

65 Wishing  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:35:38pm

re: #63 astronmr20

Read up thread a bit. Thats what the conversation is about.

Sorry!

66 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:35:45pm

re: #54 MandyManners

Peckerwood.

Hilarious as Pryor's face started to twitch!

67 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:35:53pm

re: #64 jwb7605

"Japanese", thanks.

68 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:36:13pm

re: #21 Ward Cleaver

Obama team urges delay in digital TV transition

Women, minorities hardest hit.

This requested delay is a prelude to the master plan for taxpayer funded replacement digital big screens for the needy.
/

69 faraway  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:36:22pm

Nobody can dispute that Joe the Plumber can ask good questions.

And when he does, people debate them for months.

What CNN journalist can compete with that?

70 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:36:41pm

re: #32 Hard Right

Dead honkey.

NOW I remember that skit. "Word-association test", right?

71 opnion  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:37:00pm

re: #55 alegrias

* * *
Joe the Plumber was the only person to ask the Democrat candidate for President a tough question.

I hope Joe the Plumber gets rich quick, because he had GUTS. Like David against Goliath.

Meanwhile loserman John McCain has just put together another funding PAC for himself called "Country First". Please don't spend another nickle on McCain, with the 9 houses his wife owns and private jets.


McCain needs to go away. His campaign was infuriating. He seemed more concerned with maintaining his relationship with his Democrat "Dear Friends" He gets a boost with Sarah Palin & he & his people hold her back & when she gets mauled by cretins, he doesn't lift a finger to defend her.

72 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:37:04pm

re: #15 astronmr20

So am I the only one who thinks it was a silly stunt for Pajamas Media to send Joe Werzelbacker to Israel?

I guess we'll see. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to as good questions and to search out truth, especially when it's truth that's exploding all around you. It's not like he'll have to know how to file FOIA requests or become a mole in some operation.

I'm going to wait and see. It'll be very interesting to see the differences between his reporting and that of the professionals.

73 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:37:07pm

re: #62 Rancher
hey rancher

74 So?  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:37:09pm

Honco defensive tunnel

/--leave me alone

75 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:37:14pm

re: #53 astronmr20

I think it smacks of desperation and limelight-mania. Joe may indeed turn out to be a fine correspondent, but because of the cloud surrounding him, it just seems like a desperate ploy for attention... by PJ media.

Looking in from the outside, here's the guy who went on tour with McCain, then became a musician, then an actor, now a war correspondent.

Again, he may do well, but..... I dunno.

* * * *
Perhaps you missed the FACT certain Ohio government persons who snooped on Joe's private records LOST THEIR plum bureaucrat JOBS because of the "cloud" surrounding democrats snooping on JOe the Plumber.

76 faraway  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:37:21pm

Obama: Ushering in an Era of Despair

77 DEZes  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:37:27pm

re: #60 scottishbuzzsaw

At least.


Helen Thomas has a face that would scare buzzards of a gut wagon! ;)

78 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:37:34pm

re: #70 Occasional Reader

NOW I remember that skit. "Word-association test", right?

Mandy posted it. Classic.

79 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:37:51pm

re: #62 Rancher

I'm a honco honco burning love

Today is Elvis' birthday.

80 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:37:52pm

re: #64 jwb7605

Zenith was made in the good old USA as of 1972.
Met my wife at Zenith, May, that year.

Then the Japs bought them out ('75, I think), and eventually started producing in Mexico.

Does anybody know if Curtis Mathes is still in business?


"They filed for bankruptcy"

81 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:37:53pm

yepre: #70 Occasional Reader yep

82 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:37:57pm

re: #64 jwb7605

Zenith was made in the good old USA as of 1972.
Met my wife at Zenith, May, that year.

Then the Japs bought them out ('75, I think), and eventually started producing in Mexico.

Does anybody know if Curtis Mathes is still in business?

I saw Curtis Mathes listed in a manual for a universal remote. I think they're made by one of the other companies.

I had one of the old Zenith sets with an ultrasonic remote control. Got it from a relative because it was broken. Fixed it, and used it for years. 18" B&W "portable", with tubes.

83 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:38:03pm

re: #67 Occasional Reader

"Japanese", thanks.

Back then it was the Japs.
I know that because all the displaced employees told me so.
My dad (WWII, Silver Star, Patton's army) also knew that.

But, if you really need to be offended, continue!

84 notutopia  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:38:05pm

re: #25 alegrias

* * * *
Joe the Plumber was also Joe the US Military Veteran, so he knows a thing or two about service to country, for liberty & freedom--which CNN does not.

Which branch of the armed services did he serve and when?

85 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:38:26pm

re: #71 opnion

McCain needs to go away. His campaign was infuriating. He seemed more concerned with maintaining his relationship with his Democrat "Dear Friends" He gets a boost with Sarah Palin & he & his people hold her back & when she gets mauled by cretins, he doesn't lift a finger to defend her.

McCain '12

*duck & run*

///////

86 Dainn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:38:28pm

re: #21 Ward Cleaver

Obama team urges delay in digital TV transition

Women, minorities hardest hit.

read: Democratic demographic hardest hit.

87 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:38:29pm

re: #66 debutaunt

Hilarious as Pryor's face started to twitch!

Didja' see my No. 29?

88 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:38:58pm

re: #70 Occasional Reader

No. 29.

89 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:39:13pm

re: #83 jwb7605

I don't "need" to be anything, and you don't "need" to clutter up Charles' blog with ethnic slurs.

90 itellu3times  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:39:25pm

you yank my video, and I'll yank yours

91 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:39:33pm

re: #69 faraway

Nobody can dispute that Joe the Plumber can ask good questions.

And when he does, people debate them for months.

What CNN journalist can compete with that?

* * *

Yes! Debunking CNN/ leftist propaganda, that's what a lizard does. Joe the Plumber got Obama to admit it's about "Spreading the Wealth".

92 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:39:41pm

re: #77 DEZes

Helen Thomas has a face that would scare buzzards off a gut wagon! ;)

Ouchie...that's gonna leave a mark. ;>)

93 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:39:46pm

re: #71 opnion

Just did my taxes for '08. Whenever I got to a campaign donation to McCain I tagged it as "money down the rat hole".

94 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:39:50pm

re: #78 debutaunt

Yo' grandmomma'!

95 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:40:07pm
96 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:40:12pm

re: #55 alegrias

* * *
Joe the Plumber was the only person to ask the Democrat candidate for President a tough question.

I hope Joe the Plumber gets rich quick, because he had GUTS. Like David against Goliath.

Meanwhile loserman John McCain has just put together another funding PAC for himself called "Country First". Please don't spend another nickle on McCain, with the 9 houses his wife owns and private jets.

A while back, we were discussing the lottery. Given how McCain ran his campaign, I think the few dollars I spend on lottery tickets (one every few weeks) were better spent than my donations to his campaign.

97 akak  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:40:16pm
Livni: No Deals With Terrorists

liar, Fatah, Hezbashitzah are terrorists - she is as bad as Obama

98 Wild Knight  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:40:20pm

All right. I've got a problem. Perhaps someone can help me with it. I'm a Classics student and I've been wondering where the word Palestine came from. Yes, I know that the British mandate used this term but most British officials at the time had a classical education. They got the name from the Roman province of Palaestina which is derived from the Greek Παλαιστίνη. Now, some people claim that the Greeks got this word from the Philistines or the Hebrew word for the Philistines. I'm not convinced. Παλαιστίνη is mentioned by Herodotus and I'd like to know whether Herodotus:

1) Coined the word himself
2) Derived it from a purely Hellenic combination
3) Used a foreign derivative.

My Liddell and Scott doesn;t even cite Παλαιστίνη so I have no dependable source to which to turn. Any ideas?

99 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:40:21pm

re: #89 Occasional Reader

I don't "need" to be anything, and you don't "need" to clutter up Charles' blog with ethnic slurs.

I'll remember that when I see you write "Pali" sometime.

100 Soona'  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:40:36pm

re: #56 bosforus

WTF, these people can't afford to mail in a rebate?
[I really don't care that much, other than the principle of the thing]

What the politicians don't realize (or maybe they do) is that there's always going to be total dumb shits being left behind. Besides, the zero will buy them new Tv's if they squeak enough.

101 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:41:26pm

re: #38 bosforus

So let me get this straight - if a year's worth of preparation and giving away converter boxes didn't work, what will? And if their TV's go out, they can always stimulate the economy by buying a new one.

Without the converter boxes, the sheeple won't be able to get their daily diet of Dem propaganda from the broadcast news (Katie, Brian, and Charlie). They might have to think for themselves.

The horror, the horror...

102 lobo91  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:41:28pm

re: #64 jwb7605

Zenith was made in the good old USA as of 1972.
Met my wife at Zenith, May, that year.

Then the Japs bought them out ('75, I think), and eventually started producing in Mexico.

Does anybody know if Curtis Mathes is still in business?

Zenith is now owned by LG Electronics of Korea.

And Curtis Mathes went away years ago.

103 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:41:34pm

re: #76 faraway

Obama: Ushering in an Era of Despair

* * * *
The Great Oppression.

(DC is going to be in totalitarian state lockdown for the Dear Leader's Elevation).

104 razorbacker  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:41:37pm

re: #64 jwb7605

Check out Olevia TVs. At least some are made in CA.

And Vizio is an American company, though I don't know where the sets are manufactured.

105 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:41:44pm

re: #100 Soona'

What the politicians don't realize (or maybe they do) is that there's always going to be total dumb shits being left behind. Besides, the zero will buy them new Tv's if they squeak enough.

Part of his "bread and circuses" plan, along with the new Colliseum, featuring fights between lions and Republicans.

106 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:42:22pm

re: #99 jwb7605

I'll remember that when I see you write "Pali" sometime.

You run with that comparison, if it works for you. Whatever.

107 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:42:29pm

IDF Soldiers Fight Their Way Through Gaza's Streets.

I'm sure everyone has artillery shells underneath their kitchen sink.

108 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:42:59pm

re: #84 notutopia

Which branch of the armed services did he serve and when?

* * *
I'm not Joe the Plumber's agent, sorry. Someone please fact check Joe the Plumber's military service. Surely that's in the public record, like all his personal information mysteriously was outed.

109 Wild Knight  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:43:03pm

re: #98 Wild Knight

Damnit! The script screwed up my Greek Unicode. That dodgy looking script is Greek for Palaestina Παλαιστiνη. I removed the accent and inserted a dotted i. Let's see if it works here.

110 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:43:07pm

re: #98 Wild Knight

All right. I've got a problem. Perhaps someone can help me with it. I'm a Classics student and I've been wondering where the word Palestine came from. Yes, I know that the British mandate used this term but most British officials at the time had a classical education. They got the name from the Roman province of Palaestina which is derived from the Greek Παλαισ&# x03C4;ίνη. Now, some people claim that the Greeks got this word from the Philistines or the Hebrew word for the Philistines. I'm not convinced. Παλαισ&# x03C4;ίνη is mentioned by Herodotus and I'd like to know whether Herodotus:

1) Coined the word himself
2) Derived it from a purely Hellenic combination
3) Used a foreign derivative.

My Liddell and Scott doesn;t even cite Παλαισ&# x03C4;ίνη so I have no dependable source to which to turn. Any ideas?

I absolutely promise you that if you choose any of the 3 above, there will be at least one "historian" around who will rip you a new one, sounding very authoritative in the process.

Meaning, you can't win.

111 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:43:20pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

IDF Soldiers Fight Their Way Through Gaza's Streets.


[Video]I'm sure everyone has artillery shells underneath their kitchen sink.

Well where should they put them? You can't put them up high because the kids won't be able to get at them.

112 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:43:24pm

re: #98 Wild Knight

I had only heard the "Philistine" story, so I got nothin', sorry.

113 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:43:46pm

Good evening, Lizards.

Because I don't watch TV, I haven't been paying attention to the digital TV thing.

I have a 2-year-old plasma TV that is HDTV & digital "ready" (I think). We have satellite, not cable. Do I still need a box?

114 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:43:51pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

IDF Soldiers Fight Their Way Through Gaza's Streets.


[Video]I'm sure everyone has artillery shells underneath their kitchen sink.

Nah, but I'm hiding an F-18 in the hall closet...:)

115 opnion  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:44:05pm

This might be old news, but a Dem state lawmaker from Woodstock Il, was on the radio today.
If the House impeaches Blago , it then of course goes to the Senate for the question of removal.
By law, the governor must open the session. Only incapacitation would allow the lt. Governor. If Blago just chooses not to show up, they would probably have to send State Police to drag him in.
I really think that we should have better weather for a banana republic.

116 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:44:13pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Enough of this "poor innocent civilians" crap. Many of them are just un-uniformed conbattants

117 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:44:16pm
118 Digital Display  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:44:25pm

re: #113 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Because I don't watch TV, I haven't been paying attention to the digital TV thing.

I have a 2-year-old plasma TV that is HDTV & digital "ready" (I think). We have satellite, not cable. Do I still need a box?

No..you are good to go

119 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:44:34pm

re: #113 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Because I don't watch TV, I haven't been paying attention to the digital TV thing.

I have a 2-year-old plasma TV that is HDTV & digital "ready" (I think). We have satellite, not cable. Do I still need a box?


nope

120 razorbacker  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:44:36pm

re: #113 goddessoftheclassroom

No.

121 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:44:38pm

re: #93 rawmuse

Just did my taxes for '08. Whenever I got to a campaign donation to McCain I tagged it as "money down the rat hole".

* * *
Your contribution to McCain was a Beau Geste, my friend!

It was a David versus ObamaGoliath situation, money wise & media wise.

122 Rancher  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:44:41pm

re: #73 apachegunner
Hey gunner.

123 Lee Coller  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:44:42pm

Charles,

How about adding a "Bottom Links Overall" to the "show top links" filter?

124 Happy Fun Ball  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:44:53pm

Strange commercial...

125 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:44:56pm

re: #102 lobo91

Zenith is now owned by LG Electronics of Korea.

And Curtis Mathes went away years ago.

And the man Curtis Mathes died in that DC-9 that landed, on fire, in Cincinnati.

/gotta find a link

126 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:44:57pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

IDF Soldiers Fight Their Way Through Gaza's Streets.


[Video]

I'm sure everyone has artillery shells underneath their kitchen sink.

That's where I keep mine.....
/

127 Wild Knight  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:45:16pm

re: #110 jwb7605

Surely someone must have an inkling! Palaestina sounds very Greek, far more Greek than Tyrannos, for example, which is definitely an import from some Anatolian/Phrygian language. That's my hunch anyway.

128 Dianna  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:45:20pm

re: #53 astronmr20

What cloud? Honestly, what's the matter with people any more?

He has proved able to think on his feet, and he speaks well. We're always complaining about journalism, and now, here's a guy who isn't indoctrinated, and we're complaining that he's not a journalist?

I really don't care, except that I'm glad Joe has a job.

129 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:45:28pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Abandoning the uniform. That is a good sign.

130 DEZes  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:45:54pm

re: #113 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Because I don't watch TV, I haven't been paying attention to the digital TV thing.

I have a 2-year-old plasma TV that is HDTV & digital "ready" (I think). We have satellite, not cable. Do I still need a box?

Nope!

131 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:45:56pm

re: #114 Dustyvet

Nah, but I'm hiding an F-18 in the hall closet...:)

I keep hanging mine up by the nose, but the fluid leaks are ruining the carpet.

132 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:45:56pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

IDF Soldiers Fight Their Way Through Gaza's Streets.

I'm sure everyone has artillery shells underneath their kitchen sink.

Nice tiles.

133 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:46:05pm

burris is on tv. isn't he a likeable little guy?

134 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:46:05pm

re: #109 Wild Knight

Damnit! The script screwed up my Greek Unicode. That dodgy looking script is Greek for Palaestina Παλαισ&# x03C4;iνη. I removed the accent and inserted a dotted i. Let's see if it works here.

You have a Greek unicorn?

135 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:46:07pm

re: #102 lobo91

Zenith is now owned by LG Electronics of Korea.

And Curtis Mathes went away years ago.

Wow! I didn't know that. Interesting conversation will occur at the supper table this evening, since my daughter is checking into LG Electronics for some totally unrelated stuff, and will be over tonight.
Upding for your post!

136 faraway  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:46:14pm

If you like Elvis, you will be blown away with this

If you are short on time, don't miss starting at 3:30 mark.

137 opnion  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:46:23pm

re: #85 jcm

McCain '12

*duck & run*

///////

Stop the madness!

138 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:46:41pm

re: #126 jcm

That's where I keep mine.....
/

I keep mine in the laundry room.

139 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:46:46pm

re: #113 goddessoftheclassroom

No.

140 Soona'  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:46:48pm

re: #99 jwb7605

I'll remember that when I see you write "Pali" sometime.

OR meant slurs against people.

141 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:46:50pm

re: #114 Dustyvet

Nah, but I'm hiding an F-18 in the hall closet...:)

I hear that the up keep on that is real high?

142 razorbacker  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:46:54pm

re: #113 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Because I don't watch TV, I haven't been paying attention to the digital TV thing.

I have a 2-year-old plasma TV that is HDTV & digital "ready" (I think). We have satellite, not cable. Do I still need a box?

As I understand it, not only do you not need a box, as the satellite takes care of that, but you don't even need a TV. A monitor is good enough, since the satellite box actually takes care of the tuner functions.

143 jaunte  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:46:57pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Do you have any idea what they are finding on the printed sheets?

144 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:47:15pm

re: #133 apachegunner

burris is on tv. isn't he a likeable little guy?

Wasn't he with the Harlem Globetrotters?

145 jamgarr  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:47:18pm

re: #98 Wild Knight

The Wild Knight is calling

146 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:47:23pm

re: #131 jcm

I keep hanging mine up by the nose, but the fluid leaks are ruining the carpet.

It was a real bitch getting it here on the elevator...

147 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:47:25pm

re: #140 Soona'

Ouch :)

148 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:47:31pm
149 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:47:37pm

I got your Curtis right here.

150 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:47:41pm

re: #144 Ward Cleaver

Wasn't he with the Harlem Globetrotters?


yeah, the funny little clown

151 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:47:42pm

re: #128 Dianna

What cloud? Honestly, what's the matter with people any more?

He has proved able to think on his feet, and he speaks well. We're always complaining about journalism, and now, here's a guy who isn't indoctrinated, and we're complaining that he's not a journalist?

I really don't care, except that I'm glad Joe has a job.

* * *
Me too! Go Joe! Give the IDF Surge a boost.

152 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:47:52pm

re: #125 Ward Cleaver

And the man Curtis Mathes died in that DC-9 that landed, on fire, in Cincinnati.

/gotta find a link

This one....

153 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:47:54pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

IDF Soldiers Fight Their Way Through Gaza's Streets.

I'm amazed at how much stuff most of the IDF troopers have to hump in ubran combat. Imagine fighting house to house, with 50-60 pounds of stuff on your back.

154 Wild Knight  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:47:55pm

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

You have a Greek unicorn?

Greek for horn is Keros (hence rhinoceros: nose-horn). Unicorn would probably be monokeros in Greek (no, I'm not going to look it up now. Unicorn is Latin.

155 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:47:58pm

re: #128 Dianna

What cloud? Honestly, what's the matter with people any more?

He has proved able to think on his feet, and he speaks well. We're always complaining about journalism, and now, here's a guy who isn't indoctrinated, and we're complaining that he's not a journalist?

I really don't care, except that I'm glad Joe has a job.

Why did Joe the plumber take a job with PJTV, again? I can't remember.

156 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:48:27pm

These guys are having too much fun.....
Getty Images

Venezuelan actors dressed up as Adolf Hitler (R), US President George W Bush (C) and a prostitute --as the UN-- perform during a demonstration in front of the Israeli embassy in Caracas to mark their support to the Palestinian people of Gaza on January 8, 2009.

157 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:48:29pm

re: #140 Soona'

OR meant slurs against people.

So did I.

158 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:48:39pm

re: #146 Dustyvet

It was a real bitch getting it here on the elevator...

Take the thrust nozzles off. That's what I did with mine, fits great up the stairs now.

159 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:48:41pm

re: #133 apachegunner

burris is on tv. isn't he a likeable little guy?

* * *
Yes. Compared to Thuggo and other Chicago dregs.

160 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:48:58pm

re: #152 jcm

This one....

That's the one. I remember reading that the NTSB thought some passengers died because they were too drunk to escape. Ouch.

161 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:49:19pm

Good luck and God Bless to Joe.

162 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:49:23pm

re: #153 Occasional Reader

I'm amazed at how much stuff most of the IDF troopers have to hump in ubran combat. Imagine fighting house to house, with 50-60 pounds of stuff on your back.

I noticed that, too. I couldn't hump that much--knock me flat on my face.

163 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:49:50pm

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

You have a Greek unicorn?

He received one of the pre-Inauguration "beta" testing unicorns. Of course, soon we'll each have one.

164 opnion  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:50:06pm

Roland Burris is now having a press conference.
Maybe he is not involved in the corruption, maybe he did buy government contracts. Either way, for him to so agressively chase after this appointment under these circumstances does makle him a whore.

165 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:50:08pm

re: #162 MandyManners

I noticed that, too. I couldn't hump that much--knock me flat on my face.

Oh Mandy, you gotta read your posts before you post. There is so much material here . . .

166 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:50:14pm

re: #143 jaunte

I couldn't really tell. I think it might have been pictures of Israeli vehicles. Sort of like a cheat sheet so spotters could call in troop movements and numbers but that's just a guess.

167 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:50:27pm

Thanks for the reassurance. Lizards! That's good to know,

168 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:50:28pm

re: #162 MandyManners

I noticed that, too. I couldn't hump that much

That's not what I hear.

[oh you SO left the door open for that one, Mandy]

169 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:50:39pm

re: #158 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Take the thrust nozzles off. That's what I did with mine, fits great up the stairs now.

Yeah, but where did you put the M-1 A-1 Abrams?

170 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:50:40pm

re: #165 Creeping Eruption

Oh Mandy, you gotta read your posts before you post. There is so much material here . . .

Ah, nutz.

171 lobo91  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:50:46pm

re: #113 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Because I don't watch TV, I haven't been paying attention to the digital TV thing.

I have a 2-year-old plasma TV that is HDTV & digital "ready" (I think). We have satellite, not cable. Do I still need a box?

The key is actually where you get your signal from, more than the TV itself.

If you get cable or satellite, you don't need a converter. Only people who receive over-the-air broadcasts do, and then, only if they have an older TV.

172 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:50:47pm

re: #162 MandyManners

I noticed that, too. I couldn't hump that much--knock me flat on my face.

Not touching that one, sweetie...

173 Dianna  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:50:48pm

re: #155 davinvalkri

Why did Joe the plumber take a job with PJTV, again? I can't remember.

He needs a job? He's sensibly taking advantage of his 15 minutes? I have no bloody clue.

Maybe he thinks it sounds like fun.

174 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:50:52pm

re: #142 razorbacker

As I understand it, not only do you not need a box, as the satellite takes care of that, but you don't even need a TV. A monitor is good enough, since the satellite box actually takes care of the tuner functions.

Is that really true? What about cable?

175 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:50:59pm

re: #162 MandyManners

Juice Troopers have magical cannibal powers!

176 bosforus  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:51:02pm

re: #21 Ward Cleaver

Obama team urges delay in digital TV transition

Women, minorities hardest hit.

Suggested by any Republican and they'd be called a sexist racist.

177 Digital Display  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:51:03pm

re: #138 MandyManners

I keep mine in the laundry room.

I like to keep the heavy shells in the kids room..but the C4 under the kitchen sink.

178 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:51:10pm

re: #168 Occasional Reader

That's not what I hear.

[oh you SO left the door open for that one, Mandy]

*cringe*

179 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:51:19pm

re: #169 Dustyvet

Yeah, but where did you put the M-1 A-1 Abrams?

Anywhere I want to

180 jaunte  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:51:21pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Maybe some of the Hebrew-speaking lizards can attempt a translation.

181 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:51:22pm

re: #160 Ward Cleaver

That's the one. I remember reading that the NTSB thought some passengers died because they were too drunk to escape. Ouch.

NTSB report, full report not online.

182 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:51:34pm

re: #163 Occasional Reader

He received one of the pre-Inauguration "beta" testing unicorns. Of course, soon we'll each have one.

What do they taste like?

183 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:51:45pm

re: #173 Dianna

He needs a job? He's sensibly taking advantage of his 15 minutes? I have no bloody clue.

Maybe he thinks it sounds like fun.

I guess it would be fun to shoot liberal canards out of the sky and get paid for it.
/OMG a pun!

184 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:52:16pm

re: #179 Nevergiveup

Anywhere I want to

Ding, we has a winner....

185 Wishing  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:52:19pm

re: #98 Wild Knight

All right. I've got a problem. Perhaps someone can help me with it. I'm a Classics student and I've been wondering where the word Palestine came from. Yes, I know that the British mandate used this term but most British officials at the time had a classical education. They got the name from the Roman province of Palaestina which is derived from the Greek Παλαισ&# x03C4;ίνη. Now, some people claim that the Greeks got this word from the Philistines or the Hebrew word for the Philistines. I'm not convinced. Παλαισ&# x03C4;ίνη is mentioned by Herodotus and I'd like to know whether Herodotus:

1) Coined the word himself
2) Derived it from a purely Hellenic combination
3) Used a foreign derivative.

My Liddell and Scott doesn;t even cite Παλαισ&# x03C4;ίνη so I have no dependable source to which to turn. Any ideas?

Heb.Pilishti = philistines, I think

186 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:52:19pm

re: #121 alegrias

* * *
Your contribution to McCain was a Beau Geste, my friend!

It was a David versus ObamaGoliath situation, money wise & media wise.

More like Bambi meets Godzilla if you ask me...

187 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:52:40pm
188 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:52:44pm

Whatta buncha honcos I got mixed up with here.

189 Dianna  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:52:48pm

re: #178 MandyManners

You've been doing this a lot, lately. Positively Freudian!

190 Happy Fun Ball  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:53:43pm

re: #182 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What do they taste like?


Tastes like chicken.

191 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:53:48pm

re: #176 bosforus

Suggested by any Republican and they'd be called a sexist racist.

Free tv sets for all.

192 Soona'  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:53:52pm

re: #153 Occasional Reader

I'm amazed at how much stuff most of the IDF troopers have to hump in ubran combat. Imagine fighting house to house, with 50-60 pounds of stuff on your back.

It's why "young" men fight wars. ;)

193 DEZes  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:54:04pm

re: #182 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What do they taste like?


Chicken, Uinicorns taste like chicken.

194 Dianna  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:54:25pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

What does that woman know about honesty?

195 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:54:26pm

re: #190 Happy Fun Ball

Tastes like chicken.

With a built-in spit for the rotisserie

196 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:54:39pm

re: #190 Happy Fun Ball

Tastes like chicken.

Wouldn't a theoretical unicorn taste like nothing except horse flesh? I call dibs on french fries done in unicorn oil!

197 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:54:42pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

A slap in the chops is called for at that site.

198 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:54:50pm

re: #179 Nevergiveup

re: #169 Dustyvet

Yeah, but where did you put the M-1 A-1 Abrams?

Anywhere I want to

I've told this (true) story before, but it's still one of my favorite real-life sight gags. I once happened by a hotel here in DC that was hosting an "Army Association of the US" event. They had an Abrams in the parking lot as one of the displays. And it was parked across three handcapped spaces.

199 Rancher  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:54:55pm

Do the Japanese really consider "Japs" derogatory? Seems more like an abbreviation than anything else.

200 Happy Fun Ball  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:55:15pm

re: #195 Creeping Eruption

With a built-in spit for the rotisserie

Or for shish kabobs.

201 lobo91  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:55:23pm

re: #153 Occasional Reader

I'm amazed at how much stuff most of the IDF troopers have to hump in ubran combat. Imagine fighting house to house, with 50-60 pounds of stuff on your back.

They aren't carrying any more than our troops do.

Whether or not that's a good thing is a different question, though.

202 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:55:47pm

re: #193 DEZes

Chicken, Uinicorns taste like chicken.

Are they boney?

203 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:56:09pm

re: #202 unrealizedviewpoint

Just horny.

204 UberInfidel67  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:56:13pm

Hold on to your asses:

'The incoming Obama administration is prepared to abandon President Bush's doctrine of isolating Hamas by establishing a channel to the Islamist organisation, sources close to the transition team say.

The move to open contacts with Hamas - which could be initiated through the US intelligence services- would represent a definitive break with the Bush presidency's ostracising of the group.

The Guardian has spoken to three people with knowledge of the discussions in the Obama camp.

There is no talk of Obama approving direct diplomatic negotiations with Hamas early on in his administration, but he is being urged by advisers to initiate low-level or clandestine approaches, and there is growing recognition in Washington that the policy of ostracising Hamas is counter-productive.

A tested course would be to start contacts through Hamas and the US intelligence services - similar to the secret process through which the US engaged with the PLO in the 1970s. Israel did not become aware of the contacts until much later.

There are a number of options that would avoid a politically toxic scenario for Obama of seeming to give legitimacy to Hamas.

"Secret envoys, multilateral six-party talk-like approaches. The total isolation of Hamas that we promulgated under Bush is going to end,"said Steve Clemons, the director of the American Strategy Programme at the New America Foundation'


UGH

205 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:56:14pm

re: #200 Happy Fun Ball

Or for shish kabobs.

And a toothpick when you are done.

206 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:56:17pm
207 razorbacker  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:56:25pm

re: #174 unrealizedviewpoint

Is that really true? What about cable?

I don't know for sure, but I'd assume that any configuration where you have a 'box' that you actually change channels with (and your TV stays on channel 3, 4, or whatever it is) would be the same. The basic difference between a monitor and a TV is that a TV has its own tuner built in, while a monitor simply 'monitors' the signal fed into it.

208 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:56:28pm

re: #199 Rancher

Do the Japanese really consider "Japs" derogatory? Seems more like an abbreviation than anything else.

Well, I know it was a derogatory term in WWII, same with "Fritz" and "Jerry" for Germans. But really, there's a derogatory nickname for anyone of any nationality on the face of the planet. I figure why let it get ya down?
/speaking only as a fan of some anime

209 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:56:38pm

re: #190 Happy Fun Ball

and
re: #193 DEZes

Then what's all the excitement about? When I get my unicorn after all this build up, I expect it to at least taste good, special, like something exotic...

210 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:56:51pm

re: #203 Sifty

Just horny.

Honco if you're horney?

211 DEZes  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:56:57pm

re: #202 unrealizedviewpoint

Are they boney?


Just the ribs, mmmmmmmm ribs!

212 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:56:59pm

re: #206 buzzsawmonkey

Oh yes, long overdue; but comments are monitored before they go up, so most contrary comments will never see light.

Illustrators do not like contradiction.

Those are MONITORED? Yikes. Hate to see what didn't pass muster.

213 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:57:04pm

re: #199 Rancher

Yes, and likewise Nips.

214 jaunte  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:57:05pm

re: #194 Dianna

If she was honest, she would credit the photographer whose shot she painted over in Photoshop.

215 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:57:06pm

re: #199 Rancher

Do the Japanese really consider "Japs" derogatory? Seems more like an abbreviation than anything else.

No. They (believe it or not) are like anybody else. Some do, some don't, and it mostly depends on intent.

216 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:57:40pm

re: #199 Rancher

Do the Japanese really consider "Japs" derogatory? Seems more like an abbreviation than anything else.

From what I understand, they do... probably because of the way we chose to use it more than anything else.

217 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:57:55pm

re: #202 unrealizedviewpoint

Are they boney?

Gotta use the Wunder Boner.

218 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:58:23pm

re: #203 Sifty

Just horny.

And when served Japanese-style, they're properly described as "Miso Horny".

219 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:58:23pm

re: #173 Dianna

He needs a job? He's sensibly taking advantage of his 15 minutes? I have no bloody clue.

Maybe he thinks it sounds like fun.

I reakon he's keeping an eye on the political scene and he's going to make a run at congress in 2010. The political consultants are telling him that the PJTV keeps up his public exposure and gives him foreign experience that he can parlay into good talking points during a campaign.

220 Soona'  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:58:40pm

re: #169 Dustyvet

Yeah, but where did you put the M-1 A-1 Abrams?

Mine is up on blocks in the front yard. Needs a new starter, maybe.

221 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:58:42pm

re: #40 apachegunner

or we can buy them one

as a female, I would like a 32 inch flat screen with a wall mount okay?
Nothing too fancy.

222 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:58:44pm

re: #209 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

and
re: #193 DEZes

Then what's all the excitement about? When I get my unicorn after all this build up, I expect it to at least taste good, special, like something exotic...

Uh, what is a unicorn except a horse or zebra with an ice cream cone on its forehead?! It would taste like horse!

223 bosforus  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:59:02pm

re: #191 debutaunt

Free tv sets for all.

I need an FM receiver for my ipod. How can I get the gumint to buy it for me?

224 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:59:12pm

re: #206 buzzsawmonkey

Then I guess a handjob is out of the question then.

225 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:59:33pm

re: #199 Rancher

Do the Japanese really consider "Japs" derogatory? Seems more like an abbreviation than anything else.


No, but I believe they prefer "The Yellow Menace"

/

226 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:59:50pm

re: #209 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

and
re: #193 DEZes

Then what's all the excitement about? When I get my unicorn after all this build up, I expect it to at least taste good, special, like something exotic...

Two hunters were in a lodge, making small talk. One of them asked the other, "So, what do you hunt?" He answered, "I hunt unicorns."

The first hunter was startled, but said, "Really? How do you do that?"

The other answered "I find a virgin and hire her to help me. The virgin sits around in the woods until a unicorn comes to her. When it does, it sets off a snare."

The first hunter said "Boy, they must be hard to find. I've heard of them, but I've never seen one."

The second hunter said "Yeah, and there aren't many unicorns around, either!"

227 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 2:59:57pm

re: #218 Occasional Reader

And when served Japanese-style, they're properly described as "Miso Horny".

Ask and you shall receive: NSFW

228 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:00:00pm

re: #217 jcm

Gotta use the Wunder Boner.



His wife is gonna love that!

229 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:00:06pm

re: #222 davinvalkri

Uh, what is a unicorn except a horse or zebra with an ice cream cone on its forehead?! It would taste like horse!

OK... show of hands.

Who know's what horse tastes like?

230 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:00:35pm

re: #219 DeafDog

I reakon he's keeping an eye on the political scene and he's going to make a run at congress in 2010. The political consultants are telling him that the PJTV keeps up his public exposure and gives him foreign experience that he can parlay into good talking points during a campaign.

I agree, having watched the dance so far. On the upside, he's actually reasonably good in public. On the downside, so was Jesse Ventura.

231 Happy Fun Ball  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:00:49pm

re: #209 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

and
re: #193 DEZes

Then what's all the excitement about? When I get my unicorn after all this build up, I expect it to at least taste good, special, like something exotic...

Yes, but when you eat it, you'll have the strength of ten unicorns. Just think of it. Having the strength of ten imaginary creatures. Why, you might even be able to wrestle a manbearpig.

232 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:00:49pm
233 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:00:53pm
234 opnion  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:01:05pm

re: #218 Occasional Reader

And when served Japanese-style, they're properly described as "Miso Horny".

At one point in my life, I was very expert in the Oriental languages.
I understood perfectly, "Me love you long time"

235 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:01:06pm

Candy Mountain, Charlie!

236 Wishing  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:01:13pm

re: #204 UberInfidel67

Hold on to your asses:

'The incoming Obama administration is prepared to abandon President Bush's doctrine of isolating Hamas by establishing a channel to the Islamist organisation, sources close to the transition team say.

The move to open contacts with Hamas - which could be initiated through the US intelligence services- would represent a definitive break with the Bush presidency's ostracising of the group.

The Guardian has spoken to three people with knowledge of the discussions in the Obama camp.

There is no talk of Obama approving direct diplomatic negotiations with Hamas early on in his administration, but he is being urged by advisers to initiate low-level or clandestine approaches, and there is growing recognition in Washington that the policy of ostracising Hamas is counter-productive.

A tested course would be to start contacts through Hamas and the US intelligence services - similar to the secret process through which the US engaged with the PLO in the 1970s. Israel did not become aware of the contacts until much later.

There are a number of options that would avoid a politically toxic scenario for Obama of seeming to give legitimacy to Hamas.

"Secret envoys, multilateral six-party talk-like approaches. The total isolation of Hamas that we promulgated under Bush is going to end,"said Steve Clemons, the director of the American Strategy Programme at the New America Foundation'

UGH

Oh shit.
We still have til the 20th..
GO IDF!

237 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:01:14pm

re: #229 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

OK... show of hands.

Who know's what horse tastes like?

The Finlanders. I am dead f****** serious, they fry french fries in horse fat and serve it with mayonaisse.

238 Soona'  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:01:26pm

re: #194 Dianna

What does that woman know about honesty?

What does any woman know about honesty?
//hiding

239 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:01:55pm

re: #98 Wild Knight

All right. I've got a problem. Perhaps someone can help me with it. I'm a Classics student and I've been wondering where the word Palestine came from.
[snip]

This may help - History of Israel, from 1850-present

240 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:02:06pm

re: #238 Soona'

What does any woman know about honesty?
//hiding

What does any one nowadays know about honesty?
Nice guys finish last!
/I'm sorry!

241 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:02:18pm

re: #229 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

OK... show of hands.

Who know's what horse tastes like?

Nay.

242 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:02:26pm

re: #229 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

OK... show of hands.

Who know's what horse tastes like?

Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.

243 dhg4  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:02:51pm

In a post, Bloggers vs. hacks, Yaacov Lozowich wrote:

While prominent journalists flown in to Israel to report on the war continue to kvetch about not being able to do their job properly because the IDF isn't allowing them into Gaza, Meryl Yourish sat at her desk in Richmond VA and used the internet. I don't know how much Meryl's time is worth, but she'll forgive me if I assume the time she spent on her bit of investigative journalism cost less than, say, putting up Jeremy Bowen for one night at the American Colony hotel in Jerusalem. Which is kind of sad, if you're a tax paying British person paying the upkeep of the BBC, since Meryl manages to do a far better job than Jeremy.

This is what Meryl blogged, Hamas targets schools, world is blind, deaf, and dumb on topic:

First, I researched the grad rocket. It is accurate. It can be targeted.

Then, I checked on Google maps to see how easy it is to map out a school in Israel. Satellite view. No problem.

Then I checked reports of how many kindergartens and schools have been hit by grad rockets.

Go there and read the whole thing. Meryl systematically shows an aspect of the Hamas terror that the MSM fails to consider.

244 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:02:58pm

re: #241 Spare O'Lake

I think the Frogs eat horses.

245 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:02:59pm

re: #235 Sifty

Candy Mountain, Charlie!

Obscure, yet familiar.

246 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:03:08pm

re: #229 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

OK... show of hands.

Who know's what horse tastes like?

Ask Mrs. Ed.

247 razorbacker  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:03:14pm

Has anyone else noticed the contradiction involved with the current economic decline?

All my life I've been told that Americans are too materialistic, that we buy too much stuff that we don't need.

So this Christmas America cuts back a bit. And damnme but the sky seems to be falling.

We can't win for losing.

248 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:03:14pm

re: #231 Happy Fun Ball

Yes, but when you eat it, you'll have the strength of ten unicorns. Just think of it. Having the strength of ten imaginary creatures. Why, you might even be able to wrestle a manbearpig.

No. Manbearpig is too much for any one man (or 10 unicorns)... unless that man is GORT.

249 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:03:20pm

re: #229 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

OK... show of hands.

Who know's what horse tastes like?

I would think horse taste like beef ..probably tougher ..all muscle.
More then one hamburger joint got popped selling horse meat as beef.

250 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:03:23pm

re: #230 jwb7605

I agree, having watched the dance so far. On the upside, he's actually reasonably good in public. On the downside, so was Jesse Ventura.

His district is represented by a Dem, and he would run as a Republican. I know nothing about the individual (maybe it's Kucinich), but I doubt he would be any worse.

251 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:03:34pm

re: #235 Sifty

Candy Mountain, Charlie!

You know candy mountain doesn't really exist right?

252 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:03:42pm

re: #242 Dustyvet

Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.

And you said it was an old war wound...

253 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:03:59pm

The Constitution guarantees you TV ?

254 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:04:08pm

re: #251 davinvalkri

shhhuuuunnnnnn

255 DEZes  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:04:21pm

re: #237 davinvalkri

The Finlanders. I am dead f****** serious, they fry french fries in horse fat and serve it with mayonaisse.

Horse meat is popular in Britain if I remember right.
I have never had horse meat, and I've never ridden a unicorn.

256 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:04:49pm

re: #247 razorbacker

Has anyone else noticed the contradiction involved with the current economic decline?

All my life I've been told that Americans are too materialistic, that we buy too much stuff that we don't need.

So this Christmas America cuts back a bit. And damnme but the sky seems to be falling.

We can't win for losing.

You learn quickly, kid!

257 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:05:00pm

Someone ask Catherine the Great.

258 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:05:03pm

Does every unicorn have a unique horn?

259 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:05:13pm

re: #246 MandyManners

Ask Mrs. Ed.



Behave yourself.

260 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:05:24pm

re: #247 razorbacker

So this Christmas America cuts back a bit. And damnme but the sky seems to be falling.

We can't win for losing.

And we also keep getting told that our salvation lies in the housing market being re-inflated to its previous, ludicrously-priced levels. Huh?

261 razorbacker  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:05:31pm

re: #244 Sifty

I think the Frogs eat horses.

There was controversy about a MO, IIRC, slaughterhouse processing horses for the French market. They had to quit, so I don't know what is done with the unwanted horses now.

262 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:05:43pm
263 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:05:53pm

re: #259 Spare O'Lake

Behave yourself.

Too late now...

264 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:05:55pm

re: #223 bosforus

I need an FM receiver for my ipod. How can I get the gumint to buy it for me?

iPodbailout.org

265 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:05:56pm

BBL... I want my Unicorn, slow roasted in BBQ sauce when I get back.

266 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:06:10pm

re: #225 DeafDog

No, but I believe they prefer "The Yellow Menace"

/

I worked with a half-Japanese guy (and babysat his kids, etc. etc. etc.) for years.
I'd known him for about a week, and some idiot in the company wanted to know (behind his back) what his "ethnicity" was.

Since I knew he was within earshot (next cube), I said "Mexican".

I've never seen a short guy get his head over a cube wall that fast ripping me a new one.
With a smile on his face ... he thought it was funny, too.

267 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:06:10pm

re: #256 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

My own frugal habits, if general, would result in a huge economic depression,

268 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:06:20pm

re: #233 taxfreekiller

Obama and his loons have not one idea what to do.

Many here have seen people promoted way past what they know about.

Obama knows almost nothing, near zero he is.
The mistakes will be many, large and he just could end up so disoriented he will just give up and walk away head down, real chance for depression from him about 2 years in when its all coming undone.

As a case in point, all through the campaign, Obama derailed the Bush deficits as crippling to the economy. Now, all of a sudden, we need trillion dollar deficits for years to lift us out of the great depression (nevermind that unemployment is under 7%).

Does that make sense to anyone?

269 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:06:21pm

re: #246 MandyManners

That's enough outta you, Ivana Humpalot.

270 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:06:24pm
271 bosforus  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:06:37pm

Tetris saves the day again!
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
Playing Tetris: prescription for traumatic memories?

A study published in the latest issue of the online journal PLoS One found that research subjects who played Tetris in the immediate wake of witnessing a traumatic event were less likely than those who do not play Tetris to experience disturbing, intrusive memories of the horror.
272 opnion  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:06:52pm

re: #258 Dustyvet

Does every unicorn have a unique horn?

Yes, just like snow flakes. After the 20th, it will be all apple trees & honey bees & snow white turtle doves. Have a Coke.

273 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:07:06pm

Eat a whole unicorn and you get your picture on the wall and a T-shirt.

274 Soona'  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:07:13pm

re: #234 opnion

At one point in my life, I was very expert in the Oriental languages.
I understood perfectly, "Me love you long time"

As well as the classical: "You no give ten dolla' boom booom, you numba' ten"! I just love languages.
/

275 Rancher  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:07:20pm

re: #208 davinvalkri
"Fritz" and "Jerry" sound pretty tame too. Yankee was supposed to be derogatory when the British began using it but that didn't evoke much emotion from Americans, they adopted it (Yankee doodle). However in the South it may still be pretty derogatory. And in Boston.

276 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:07:38pm

re: #269 Occasional Reader

That's enough outta you, Ivana Humpalot.

Oh, geez...there goes my last keyboard.

277 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:07:40pm

re: #266 jwb7605

I wrote "Vulcan" on a form for my kids once.

278 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:07:40pm

re: #253 Ojoe

The Constitution guarantees you "a" TV ?

279 Dianna  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:07:42pm

re: #214 jaunte

If she was honest, she would credit the photographer whose shot she painted over in Photoshop.

And she's carping about Joe "not being known for his honesty"? I'm not even sure what she's talking about, but I think I'd believe Joe the Plumber's word before I'd take hers.

280 bosforus  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:07:44pm

re: #264 debutaunt

iPodbailout.org

Dang it, thought it was real!

281 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:08:03pm

re: #259 Spare O'Lake

Behave yourself.

Hey, look at No. 257!

282 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:08:04pm

re: #271 bosforus

Tetris saves the day again!
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
Playing Tetris: prescription for traumatic memories?

Videogames for the win? I dunno.

283 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:08:09pm

re: #247 razorbacker

We have had 6-8 months of pretty people in the MSM, and the politicians telling us how bad things are. Never worse. Some people believed them. Throw in the very real and very avoidable fallout from the home market, and here we are. Paralysis.

284 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:08:22pm

re: #273 Sifty

"Kittens give Morbo gas."

285 Soona'  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:08:44pm

re: #237 davinvalkri

The Finlanders. I am dead f****** serious, they fry french fries in horse fat and serve it with mayonaisse.

Mmmm! Covered horse-frys. :D

286 DEZes  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:08:45pm

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

France. They have special horsemeat butchers there. They used to serve something called "filet Americain," which was raw, chopped horsemeat. I don't know if they still do.

Britain, not so much.


Thanks for pointing out my mistake.
They have to sometimes wonder are those grill marks or where the jockey was slapping it.

287 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:08:45pm

Speaking of bailouts.

Look who's looking for a little stimulus!

Larry Flynt

The economy has hurt their businesses, too, Flynt and Francis said -- sales of XXX DVDs are down 22 percent -- and they want $5 billion from the government.

Congress must "rejuvenate the sexual appetite of America," Flynt said.

288 Happy Fun Ball  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:08:49pm

re: #273 Sifty

Eat a whole unicorn and you get your picture on the wall and a T-shirt.

If you eat it horn first, you get a $25 gift certificate.

289 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:09:01pm

Mr. Spencer shills for Pamela, call Charles a traitor....

In the past I haven't paid much attention to such awards, but since there is one reliable and consistent anti-jihadist blog up for this one, it richly deserves to win. Despite being defamed and smeared by those who have betrayed the anti-jihad resistance in search of imaginary fascists and white supremacists, Pamela has soldiered on --
290 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:09:05pm

Man vs. Food is the best show eva.

291 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:09:16pm

re: #269 Occasional Reader

That's enough outta you, Ivana Humpalot.

SPEW!

292 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:09:23pm

re: #276 scottishbuzzsaw

Oh, geez...there goes my last keyboard.

Thank you for noticing this notice. Now that you've noticed this notice, you may have noticed that this notice is noticably unnoticable.

You may wish to make a note of this.

293 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:09:35pm

re: #278 unrealizedviewpoint

Ah,

Ummmm,


LOL

294 jaunte  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:10:08pm

re: #279 Dianna

There is a lot of that random accusatory-without-actually-providing-factual-backup speech that happens as a matter of course in the generally left-leaning design field. Because 'everybody knows' the troof.

295 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:10:15pm

Gonna' grab some fast food. bbl

296 lobo91  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:10:17pm

re: #243 dhg4

First, I researched the grad rocket. It is accurate. It can be targeted.

There are a couple of caveats to that statement, however.

One, it depends on what it's launched from. It's intended to be launched from a vehicle, and aimed using a targeting computer. Hamas is using neither. They launch individual rockets off of improvised launchers made out of pipes, and aim them by pointing toward Israel.

Two, even when launched using the intended equipment, it's an area weapon. You don't fire one rocket and try to hit a house; you fire 40 rockets and take out a neighborhood.

297 opnion  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:10:36pm

re: #274 Soona'

As well as the classical: "You no give ten dolla' boom booom, you numba' ten"! I just love languages.
/


Oh I agree, :"Mamasan boom boom. You give chop chop. you numba one"
See Obama said that we should know other lanuages

298 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:10:49pm

re: #236 Wishing

cause we know the 'secret talks' with the PLO went so well.

299 razorbacker  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:10:51pm

re: #270 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah, how much glue do you need?

I don't think that they even use horsemeat in dog food anymore.

But my wife's grand parents told a story about buying beef during WWII that swelled when cooked. Horseflesh.

300 Dianna  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:10:57pm

re: #225 DeafDog

No, but I believe they prefer "The Yellow Menace"

/

Yellow Peril was a phrase that referred to Chinese immigration.

When I lived in Palo Alto, one of the kids was on a soccer team with yellow jerseys, and they could not decide on a name. I suggested the Perils, and wait for the screams.

301 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:10:57pm

Off to the gym. (And I'm also now hungry for Japanese food. Maybe unicorn sashimi.)
Later.

302 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:11:17pm
303 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:11:30pm

re: #297 opnion

Oh I agree, :"Mamasan boom boom. You give chop chop. you numba one"
See Obama said that we should know other lanuages

Good point!

304 bosforus  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:11:33pm

re: #282 davinvalkri

Videogames for the win? I dunno.

They have the power to destroy and heal! Guess they're not so bad after all.

305 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:11:38pm

re: #287 jcm

Speaking of bailouts.

Look who's looking for a little stimulus!

Larry Flynt

free viagra for everyone.

306 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:12:16pm

re: #290 Sifty

Is that the show where the guy eats the worlds biggest steak in under an hour? I can't stand it. I think a tribute to gluttony should not be something the Food Network would produce. Give me Alton Brown any day.

307 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:12:38pm

re: #305 Eowyn2

free viagra for everyone.

If this stimulus package lasts longer than $4 billion dollars.....

308 DEZes  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:13:21pm

re: #307 jcm

If this stimulus package lasts longer than $4 billion dollars.....


LMAO!

309 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:13:22pm

back to the salt mines.
I should never have come back from vacation.........
well, yeah , I guess I still have to pay my house payment and car payment and buy my own fuel BUT ONLY UNTIL THE 20TH then I am retiring forever and ever.

310 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:13:23pm

re: #300 Dianna

Yellow Peril was a phrase that referred to Chinese immigration.

When I lived in Palo Alto, one of the kids was on a soccer team with yellow jerseys, and they could not decide on a name. I suggested the Perils, and wait for the screams.

You're a little bit racist!
Well, you're a little bit too!
We're both a little bit raaacist...
Admitting it is not an easy thing to do
but I guess it's true
between me and you...

Why can't we all laugh about the racial cracks instead of getting all huffy and defensive about em?

311 jorline  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:13:32pm

re: #287 jcm

Speaking of bailouts.

Look who's looking for a little stimulus!

Larry Flynt

Screw Flynt!

I can't say what I really feel...give him a tin cup!

312 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:13:36pm

Pallywood? Doubts Raised About Possibe Staging at Hospital Death Scene; CNN Yanks Video Without Explanation
—Ace


[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

A doctor at LGF says they are completely fake -

Way to go

313 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:13:42pm

re: #199 Rancher

Do the Japanese really consider "Japs" derogatory? Seems more like an abbreviation than anything else.

Only the female, Jewish ones.

314 razorbacker  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:13:47pm

re: #305 Eowyn2

free viagra for everyone.

I suspect America is in for a hard enough screwing, without bringing in the chemical enhancement.

315 Happy Fun Ball  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:14:04pm

re: #287 jcm

Speaking of bailouts.

Look who's looking for a little stimulus!

Larry Flynt

What are they going to do, turn the Capitol into a go-go bar?

316 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:14:13pm

re: #307 jcm

If this stimulus package lasts longer than $4 billion dollars.....

spit sputter, I cant swallow

317 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:14:17pm

re: #297 opnion

Oh I agree, :"Mamasan boom boom. You give chop chop. you numba one"
See Obama said that we should know other lanuages

Me want Saigon tea GI...:)

318 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:14:51pm

re: #222 davinvalkri

Uh, what is a unicorn except a horse or zebra with an ice cream cone on its forehead?! It would taste like horse!

A while ago, Ringling Bros had a unicorn in the circus. It was a goat with both of its horn buds surgically transplanted to the center of its forehead, so it had one horn. I think they kept it around one year.

319 doppelganglander  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:14:52pm

re: #260 Occasional Reader

And we also keep getting told that our salvation lies in the housing market being re-inflated to its previous, ludicrously-priced levels. Huh?

Seriously. The housing market is doing just what it ought to. Prices are deflating to a more realistic level, and gradually the excess inventory will be bought up by first-time homeowners. I don't feel too sorry for the people who treated their house like an ATM machine.

320 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:15:29pm

re: #315 Happy Fun Ball

What are they going to do, turn the Capitol into a go-go bar?

Well it is already full of whores...

321 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:15:48pm

re: #310 davinvalkri

You're a little bit racist!
Well, you're a little bit too!
We're both a little bit raaacist...
Admitting it is not an easy thing to do
but I guess it's true
between me and you...

Why can't we all laugh about the racial cracks instead of getting all huffy and defensive about em?

There is only one race that I consistently am afraid of "noticing".
That is after 60 years of having friends of all colors.
You guess what color.

322 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:15:50pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

Mr. Spencer shills for Pamela, call Charles a traitor....

VOTE!

323 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:15:53pm
324 Soona'  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:16:20pm

re: #297 opnion

Oh I agree, :"Mamasan boom boom. You give chop chop. you numba one"
See Obama said that we should know other lanuages

It's always a thrill to share our different cultures.

325 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:17:03pm

re: #320 CIA Reject

Well it is already full of whores...

Whores and prostitutes usually give a service in return.

326 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:17:05pm
327 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:17:42pm

re: #323 buzzsawmonkey

If you experience an election that lasts for more than four years, consult your doctor.

I just think of willie mays....ah old joke I guess.

328 opnion  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:17:44pm

Blago is a genius. A bleepin nutty genius, but still a genius.
He nomiates an African American for the Senate, gets Bobby Rush to play the race card & sets himself up as a hero to Blacks.
Gonna make it tough to get a jury.

329 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:17:46pm

re: #325 Nevergiveup

Whores and prostitutes usually give a service in return.

Oh they do, they do- just not to the taxpayers...

330 razorbacker  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:17:47pm

re: #319 doppelganglander

Seriously. The housing market is doing just what it ought to. Prices are deflating to a more realistic level, and gradually the excess inventory will be bought up by first-time homeowners. I don't feel too sorry for the people who treated their house like an ATM machine.

But I do have compassion for those poor schmucks (like me) who lived within their means, bought affordable homes, and now get to see their taxes used to bail out McMansion owners who relied on ever-increasing home prices to finance their lifestyles.

331 UberInfidel67  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:18:17pm

re: #298 Eowyn2 But wait! There's more (at the linky)


[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

332 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:18:32pm

The Spell Checker

Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.
As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.

-Sauce unknown

333 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:18:35pm

re: #324 Soona'

It's always a thrill to share our different cultures.

Okay, here's a language sample from mine.

"SPY SAPPING MY SENTRY!"
From the Team Fortress 2 players! Thank you!
/seriously, every time I build something, someone comes around to blow it up, and then he blows ME up! It isn't fair!

334 opnion  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:18:39pm

re: #313 Alouette

Only the female, Jewish ones.

They're ok with Druish Princess?

335 Hengineer  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:19:03pm

re: #330 razorbacker

But I do have compassion for those poor schmucks (like me) who lived within their means, bought affordable homes, and now get to see their taxes used to bail out McMansion owners who relied on ever-increasing home prices to finance their lifestyles.

Or to bail out idiots who live on every last bit of credit they have, then when it comes time to pay up the government hands them a check to "keep them in their home" that they should never have been able to afford in the first place.

336 jaunte  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:19:15pm

Please email your Senators:

KEY VOTE ALERT
"NO" on Coburn Omnibus Bill (S. 22)

The Club for Growth urges all Senators to vote "NO" on the latest version of the "Coburn Omnibus" bill, officially dubbed as the Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2008 (S. 22).
This bill is a hodgepodge of 150 different bills and dozens of pork projects totaling more than $10 billion in new spending. This is hardly an auspicious start for a Congress and a new President who are promising "change."
This bill contains such questionable programs as $5 million for the National Tropical Botanical Garden in Hawaii and Florida, $1 billion for a water project in California intended to settle a lawsuit with environmental groups, and $12 million for a greenhouse in Maryland.

[Link: www.clubforgrowth.org...]

337 opnion  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:19:49pm

re: #324 Soona'

It's always a thrill to share our different cultures.

I could not agree more.

338 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:19:56pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

I like big American-style food. Not going to live on wheat germ and rice in this house.

339 Happy Fun Ball  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:19:59pm

re: #325 Nevergiveup

Whores and prostitutes usually give a service in return.

Well, they keep telling us to bend over so they can ram down more socialism while wearing a Hope 'n Change brand condom.

340 Dianna  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:20:09pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

He didn't notice the nirth certificate nonsense? Or the dreadful spelling and grammar? Or...

Oh, never mind. She's pretty and she hangs on his arm. I'm sure that has nothing to do with his judgment at all.

341 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:21:37pm

re: #339 Happy Fun Ball

Well, they keep telling us to bend over so they can ram down more socialism while wearing a Hope 'n Change brand condom.

ooooh weeeeee!

342 doppelganglander  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:21:37pm

re: #330 razorbacker

But I do have compassion for those poor schmucks (like me) who lived within their means, bought affordable homes, and now get to see their taxes used to bail out McMansion owners who relied on ever-increasing home prices to finance their lifestyles.

Hey, I resemble that remark! We had a subprime mortgage due to past bad behavior but we refinanced it at the earliest opportunity. We've never been late or missed a payment, and our reward is getting reamed on taxes.

343 Hengineer  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:21:40pm

re: #333 davinvalkri

Okay, here's a language sample from mine.

"SPY SAPPING MY SENTRY!"
From the Team Fortress 2 players! Thank you!
/seriously, every time I build something, someone comes around to blow it up, and then he blows ME up! It isn't fair!

Reminds me of the time I played Starsiege: Tribes

I would set up my base with turrets to protect the base or flag only to have a big heavy come in and destroy it all. So I'd have to set it up again.

344 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:21:48pm
345 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:21:49pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

Is that the show where the guy eats the worlds biggest steak in under an hour? I can't stand it. I think a tribute to gluttony should not be something the Food Network would produce. Give me Alton Brown any day.

Same here. One of the few good shows on television (the others being Mythbusters, How Its Made and--depending on mood--Spongebob Squarepants)

346 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:21:57pm

re: #322 Spare O'Lake

I think Spencer is digging himself a big hole. LGF continues to resist Jihad quite effectively without the support of NeoNazis and ethnic nationalists. If that's what "traitor" means then count me in.

347 Hengineer  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:22:01pm

re: #338 Sifty

I like big American-style food. Not going to live on wheat germ and rice in this house.

Hey, I like rice.

348 Dianna  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:22:35pm

re: #310 davinvalkri

The problem with being even marginally historically educated is that you make jokes like that, and people freak.

349 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:22:56pm

re: #331 UberInfidel67

But wait! There's more (at the linky)

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

0bama might be worse than I thought.
Israel should tell him that talking to Ham-ass makes as much sense as talking to Osama. Of course, then the 0 will decide to talk to Osama, assuming he isn't mixed with the dirt somewhere in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

350 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:23:19pm

re: #345 davinvalkri

It was awesome to see Mythbusters mess with the "fake moon landing" people.

My sister's idiot husband's head almost popped.

351 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:23:27pm

re: #343 Hengineer

Reminds me of the time I played Starsiege: Tribes

I would set up my base with turrets to protect the base or flag only to have a big heavy come in and destroy it all. So I'd have to set it up again.

Do heavies just keep coming in to blow your stuff up no matter where you set it up? Happens to me all the time.
That's why I play as the Pyro. Burn baby burn!

352 Hengineer  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:23:43pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

Is that the show where the guy eats the worlds biggest steak in under an hour? I can't stand it. I think a tribute to gluttony should not be something the Food Network would produce. Give me Alton Brown any day.

To quote Robin Williams:

People in Texas are going "We have those shows...we just don't film them!"

The restaurant called "The Big Texan". If you eat a 72 oz. steak in under an hour your meal is free. I witnessed a man eating it with 27 mins to spare. He ordered dessert too.

353 opnion  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:24:28pm

re: #317 Dustyvet

Me want Saigon tea GI...:)

'me go U.S with you"

354 jaunte  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:24:35pm

re: #344 Sharmuta

"The problem is, the publishers have made Defeating Eurabia expensive."

Good grief. A 340 page paperback for $47. Maybe he should have written shorter sentences.

355 Happy Fun Ball  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:24:53pm

re: #343 Hengineer

Reminds me of the time I played Starsiege: Tribes

I would set up my base with turrets to protect the base or flag only to have a big heavy come in and destroy it all. So I'd have to set it up again.

Heh, I haven't played TF2 before. However, I have played Quake TF quite a lot back in the day. Oh, the fun I used to have with those concussion grenades as a medic...

356 Tamron  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:24:57pm

re: #98 Wild Knight

All right. I've got a problem. Perhaps someone can help me with it. I'm a Classics student and I've been wondering where the word Palestine came from. Yes, I know that the British mandate used this term but most British officials at the time had a classical education. They got the name from the Roman province of Palaestina which is derived from the Greek Παλαισ&# x03C4;ίνη. Now, some people claim that the Greeks got this word from the Philistines or the Hebrew word for the Philistines. I'm not convinced. Παλαισ&# x03C4;ίνη is mentioned by Herodotus and I'd like to know whether Herodotus:

1) Coined the word himself
2) Derived it from a purely Hellenic combination
3) Used a foreign derivative.

My Liddell and Scott doesn;t even cite Παλαισ&# x03C4;ίνη so I have no dependable source to which to turn. Any ideas?


You might try the 100-year-old Online Century Encyclopedic Dictionary.

It has a few leads on possible derivations -- also written in Greek -- which might give you some answers, one being a unit of measurement and the other referring broadly to wrestling and an area where wrestlers were trained. Interesting reading, nonetheless.

The first time you log on to Century, you'll be required to download a small harmless plug-in (from Lizard Tech, coincidentally!) to enable you to view the dictionary pages most efficiently, but that's a one-time install and it only takes a minute or so. On the Century opening page make sure that you instruct Century to use ALL VOLUMES of their references and not just the dictionary, in order to find 'Palestine'.

Luck.
.

357 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:25:09pm

re: #346 Killgore Trout

I think Spencer is digging himself a big hole. LGF continues to resist Jihad quite effectively without the support of NeoNazis and ethnic nationalists. If that's what "traitor" means then count me in.

Methinks he doth protest too much.

358 jorline  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:25:28pm

Sorry if this is a re-post...but this really pissed me off.

Group That Funded Rep. Ellison's Pilgrimage to Mecca Called a Front for Extremism

Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison's groundbreaking pilgrimage to Mecca last month was paid for by an American Muslim organization that has ties to Islamic radicals and is "the Muslim equivalent of the neo-Nazi party," his critics say.

"A U.S. congressman going on hajj sends a very positive message to the Muslim world about America and the religious diversity in America," said Ibrahim Hooper, communications director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim advocacy group.

This make me sick!
*SPIT*

359 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:25:30pm

re: #348 Dianna

The problem with being even marginally historically educated is that you make jokes like that, and people freak.

Hence the end of the song I quoted:
Everyone's a little bit racist...it's true!
But everyone is just about as racist...as yooooooou!
If we all could just admit
that we are racist, a little bit
and everyone stop being so PC...!
May-be-we-could-live-in......harmony!

360 Sifty  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:26:11pm

re: #347 Hengineer

I work hard for my food dollar. A big-assed steak cooked on some hickory and a cold Guinness is my simple idea of heaven.

I like to celebrate the fact I don't have to eat out of a UN Food Sack thrown off a flat bed truck by smelly Frenchmen.

By 2012 that may be different though...

361 Soona'  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:26:25pm

re: #336 jaunte

Please email your Senators:

KEY VOTE ALERT
"NO" on Coburn Omnibus Bill (S. 22)


[Link: www.clubforgrowth.org...]

In case anyone has gotten the wrong idea about Tom Coburn, he's fighting the passage of this latest bill because of all the pork and earmarks. Just wanted to set that straight.

362 razorbacker  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:26:42pm

re: #352 Hengineer

To quote Robin Williams:

People in Texas are going "We have those shows...we just don't film them!"

The restaurant called "The Big Texan". If you eat a 72 oz. steak in under an hour your meal is free. I witnessed a man eating it with 27 mins to spare. He ordered dessert too.

'Pizza By The Pound' in Paducah sold an eight pound pizza with the same gimmick. One night two riverboat guys came in and ordered one each and both finished theirs in under an hour. Plus beer.

Scary sight.

363 albusteve  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:26:47pm

re: #307 jcm

If this stimulus package lasts longer than $4 billion dollars.....

excellente

364 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:26:48pm

re: #357 Spare O'Lake

Yes, he's whining an awful lot about this.

365 Dianna  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:27:03pm

I'm out; take good care.

366 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:27:15pm

re: #336 jaunte

Please email your Senators:

KEY VOTE ALERT
"NO" on Coburn Omnibus Bill (S. 22)

[Link: www.clubforgrowth.org...]

Billions, Trillions, thrown at walls just to see if any sticks. Folks aren't gonna pay attention to some $20 Billion waste. Not enough to worry about. They got us where they want us, with our heads in the sand.

367 jaunte  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:27:54pm

re: #366 unrealizedviewpoint

Surfing the deficit tsunami.

368 UberInfidel67  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:28:57pm

re: #356 TamronIt's been online for 100 years? Does Al Gore know this? BTW, I saved that link into my faves. Looks interesting.

369 Soona'  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:29:27pm

re: #353 opnion

'me go U.S with you"

I luuuva you!

370 albusteve  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:29:33pm

re: #352 Hengineer

To quote Robin Williams:

People in Texas are going "We have those shows...we just don't film them!"

The restaurant called "The Big Texan". If you eat a 72 oz. steak in under an hour your meal is free. I witnessed a man eating it with 27 mins to spare. He ordered dessert too.

my son on law is a champion burger eater for the Fuddruckers place or whoever they are....I saw a contest last year...alot of fun...local TV etc...

371 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:29:37pm

re: #344 Sharmuta

It's sad when nazi sympathizers have to beg.

Do we have to match Charles' contributions?
/

372 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:30:21pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

Mr. Spencer shills for Pamela, call Charles a traitor....

Cool, so now Spencer promotes a raving nut who thinks Barack Obama is the love child of Malcolm X. Yeah baby!

373 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:30:44pm

re: #354 jaunte

"The problem is, the publishers have made Defeating Eurabia expensive."

Good grief. A 340 page paperback for $47. Maybe he should have written shorter sentences.

Or found a better publisher. Guess the market's just not looking for much neo-fascist literature.

374 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:30:52pm

re: #181 jcm

NTSB report, full report not online.

Actually, here's the full report (PDF). Postmortem showed only three of the dead had blood alcohol levels over .10. Four of the surviving passengers tested below .10 (the other 18 tested negative), but this was two to three hours after landing, so they may have also been impaired. The main cause of deaths was the backdraft and fire spread after the exit doors were opened, which fed fresh oxygen to the fire.

375 jaunte  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:31:37pm

re: #373 Sharmuta

If he just went to a vanity publisher, he could sell it for $10.
Whoops, too late.

376 Hengineer  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:32:24pm

re: #356 Tamron

You might try the 100-year-old Online Century Encyclopedic Dictionary.

It has a few leads on possible derivations -- also written in Greek -- which might give you some answers, one being a unit of measurement and the other referring broadly to wrestling and an area where wrestlers were trained. Interesting reading, nonetheless.

The first time you log on to Century, you'll be required to download a small harmless plug-in (from Lizard Tech, coincidentally!) to enable you to view the dictionary pages most efficiently, but that's a one-time install and it only takes a minute or so. On the Century opening page make sure that you instruct Century to use ALL VOLUMES of their references and not just the dictionary, in order to find 'Palestine'.

Luck.
.

An online dictionary 100 years old?

/s =-P

377 UberInfidel67  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:33:05pm

re: #376 Hengineer
See my #368 lol lol

378 Viking6  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:33:39pm

re: #34 sattv4u2

Was that Helen Thomas?

There isn't that much liquor in the entire world....
/

379 Hengineer  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:37:22pm

re: #377 UberInfidel67

See my #368 lol lol

Yea, woulda posted before you but damn satellite internet froze lgf, had to refresh the page which took about 5 solid minutes.

380 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:37:29pm

re: #358 jorline

Sorry if this is a re-post...but this really pissed me off.

Group That Funded Rep. Ellison's Pilgrimage to Mecca Called a Front for Extremism

This make me sick!
*SPIT*

Who's got the clue by 4? Oh Mr. Ellison would you step over here for a moment...

381 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:38:59pm
382 razorbacker  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:39:19pm

I hear that Obama specifically mentioned wind turbines in his economic speech today.

Oddly enough, the blade plant in Little Rock is laying off folks because of the 'credit crunch' making those wind turbines unfeasible.

383 Hengineer  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:41:57pm

re: #382 razorbacker

I hear that Obama specifically mentioned wind turbines in his economic speech today.

Oddly enough, the blade plant in Little Rock is laying off folks because of the 'credit crunch' making those wind turbines unfeasible.

Either way, I hope the first installment of wind turbines goes right in Ted Kennedy's backyard.

384 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:45:30pm

re: #383 Hengineer

Either way, I hope the first installment of wind turbines goes right in Ted Kennedy's backyard.

UFO's don't like wind turbines....

385 Hengineer  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:47:24pm

re: #384 jcm

UFO's don't like wind turbines....

[Video]

Oh so that's why he whined about not having it because it would disrupt his view of the shoreline...

386 Wild Knight  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:48:44pm

re: #356 Tamron

Thanks...

387 Clio  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:50:28pm

re: #98 Wild Knight

The biblical Hebrew for Philistine is "Peleshet" or "Peleshti" that may come from the root p-l-sh that means "invader". This may be speculative, but it is a reasonable etymology, since the Philistines seem to have moved southward from the Aegean Islands around the 13th century BCE looking for a new place to settle.

They tried Egypt first, but were driven off by a Pharoah (maybe Ramses III -- not sure) and then moved a little to the north and settled in what is now the Gaza Strip.

Herodotus may have confused them with the Phoenicians, who were in what is now Lebanon.

388 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:52:41pm

re: #381 ploome hineni

and which community college do you attend?

:-)

389 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:57:09pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

Despite being defamed and smeared by those who have betrayed the anti-jihad resistance in search of imaginary fascists and white supremacists

Fascinating he'd call them "imaginary fascists" when modern far-right parties in europe like VB get specifically discussed in books like The Anatomy of Fascism. There's just no excuse for this willful ignorance.

390 Wild Knight  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:57:20pm

re: #381 ploome hineni

: #98 Wild Knight

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


anyone..........who calls Israel Palestine, is realy wanting to "erase the historical ties of the Jewish people to the region"

and which community college do you attend?


Er... yes, I know all this. However, Hadrian got Syria Palestina from the Greeks who called it he syria he palaistina (can't get Greek to work well). apparently, the earliest I traced this appellation is to Herodotus. I'd like to know where Herodotus got it from. Did he get it from an indigenous source or is a purely Hellenic word. If it is a purely Hellenic, it would make the Palestinian claim to statehood extremely tenuous and ironic given that they do not have a native word for their alleged state.

I study at the university of Malta, that island in the mid-Mediterranean of which I am a native.

391 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 4:06:19pm

re: #389 Sharmuta

Fascinating he'd call them "imaginary fascists" when modern far-right parties in europe like VB get specifically discussed in books like The Anatomy of Fascism. There's just no excuse for this willful ignorance.

He's sounding more and more like Lionheart every time he launches one of those attacks.

392 tradewind  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 4:08:47pm

WTF?
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

It's not as if we weren't warned, all during the campaign.
Just dammit.

393 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 4:15:55pm

re: #391 Charles

It's always sad to see people we once respected come down with the worst cases of Charles Derangement Syndrome. I don't know if they realize how ugly it makes them out to be.

394 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 4:16:55pm
395 Wild Knight  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 4:22:11pm

re: #394 ploome hineni

Thanks. I was hoping that someone knows, beyond all shadow of doubt, where Herodotus got it from. Nonetheless, it is clearly unwarranted for the "Palestinians" to base their unwarranted claims for statehood in the region on this appellation. There is clearly no connection whatsoever.

But I'd still like to know where Herodotus got it from...

396 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 4:29:41pm
397 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 4:32:37pm

I think the real issue, Charles, is that you put up a road block for stage 2. There should be no reason why anyone would have a problem with stopping fascists from taking root- unless, that is, they were sympathetic. I think it's natural, from their perspective, that the fascists and their friends would be disappointed you ruined their plans. They're sore losers.

398 UFO TOFU  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 4:34:54pm

re: #384 jcm

Damn, I wish I had sound; that looks kind of interesting.

399 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 4:37:21pm

re: #398 UFO TOFU

Damn, I wish I had sound; that looks kind of interesting.

Basically the neighbors saw lights in the area and in the morning the turbine was wreaked.

400 UFO TOFU  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 4:40:33pm

re: #399 jcm

Okay, thanks.

401 leah  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 7:15:40pm

How 'bout a staged scene in DC...Surprise! Barack Obama administration ‘prepared to talk to Hamas’

the guy who didn't make a peep about Gaza while he was golfing in Hawaii because there is only one Prez at a time, made quite a few peeps about the US economy on tv today...I guess the current Prez doesn't matter when it comes to domestic issues...Office of the Prez Elect...lol


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