Hamas Getting Real?

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The thugs of Hamas are trying to create the impression that they’re a real army, with a “probe” that’s supposed to ‘unveil military failings over Gaza’.

LONDON (AFP) – Hamas has launched a probe which is expected to be extremely critical of the failures of its military wing during the recent Gaza offensive, the respected Jane’s Defence Weekly magazine said Monday.

Citing an unnamed top Hamas military commander, Jane’s said a full report due soon would be critical of almost every decision taken by battlefield commanders during the 22-day assault, which ended last week.

The source quoted by Jane’s added that Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal and his followers had effectively pushed for a conflict that it was not ready for. The report will highlight the losses of interior minister Said Siam and around 50 of Hamas’s top explosives experts as among the most significant.

In a way, this is progress; Arab states normally react to military defeats by denying everything, covering up the failures, and proclaiming glorious victory. If Hamas actually starts being honest with themselves, Israel could be in serious trouble.

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451 comments
1 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:01:31pm

Blame the dead.

2 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:02:01pm

Fake but inaccurate.

3 VegasRick  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:02:37pm

Citing an unnamed top Hamas military commander, Jane’s said a full report due soon would be critical of almost every decision taken by battlefield commanders during the 22-day assault, which ended last week.

Running away and hiding like little bitches didn’t work? Whoda thought!

4 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:03:14pm

Why Arabs Lose Wars

Arabic-speaking armies have been generally ineffective in the modern era. Egyptian regular forces did poorly against Yemeni irregulars in the 1960s.1 Syrians could only impose their will in Lebanon during the mid-1970s by the use of overwhelming weaponry and numbers.2 Iraqis showed ineptness against an Iranian military ripped apart by revolutionary turmoil in the 1980s and could not win a three-decades-long war against the Kurds.3 The Arab military performance on both sides of the 1990 Kuwait war was mediocre.4 And the Arabs have done poorly in nearly all the military confrontations with Israel. Why this unimpressive record? There are many factors—economic, ideological, technical—but perhaps the most important has to do with culture and certain societal attributes which inhibit Arabs from producing an effective military force.

It is a truism of military life that an army fights as it trains, and so I draw on my many years of firsthand observation of Arabs in training to draw conclusions about the ways in which they go into combat. The following impressions derive from personal experience with Arab military establishments in the capacity of U.S. military attaché and security assistance officer, observer officer with the British-officer Trucial Oman Scouts (the security force in the emirates prior to the establishment of the United Arab Emirates), as well as some thirty year’s study of the Middle East.

5 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:03:55pm

Why?
Are the money bags behind Hamas demanding results?
They do better with failure.
With failure comes international money, international sympathy, international alignment against that big, bad Israel.
With success (as Yasser Arafat knew) comes the need to rule, to take care of the infrastructure, the schools, the sick, the elderly, the poor.
What military commander in his right mand wants that when perpetual war is available……for free?

6 MJ  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:04:19pm

Actually, I think it’s a ploy to get re-armed with better weapons. Watch for the State Department hacks to ask that the Hamas Army receive training and weapons as part of the “two-state solution”.

7 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:04:34pm

Israel is in serious trouble, and will remain so, as long as HAMAS is in power.

8 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:04:35pm

HAMAS battlefield commanders

THe guys in the trucks we saw (usually) driving away before the missile strike?

9 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:04:45pm

Plus I’m sure the loss of the head of their flaming hoop program was a serious hit to the Hamas forces.

10 turn  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:04:48pm

Major fault finding of internal probe “Kaffir no longer believe we don’t hide amongst civilians while launching rockets attacks.”

11 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:04:51pm
Hamas has launched a probe which is expected to be extremely critical of the failures of its military wing

Same guidance system as the rest of its rockets?

12 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:05:12pm

Another weapon in the war on terror, red tape!

13 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:05:14pm

re: #8 Peacekeeper

YOU AGAIN!

14 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:06:01pm

re: #11 wrenchwench

They deserve to be probed. LOL. Somewhere south of their terrorist belly buttons, though.

15 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:06:03pm
If Hamas actually starts being honest with themselves, Israel could be in serious trouble.


One hopes that if Hamas actually starts being honest with themselves, they will admit that there is no possible way that they can ever rid the Mideast of Israel… and that the best they can hope for is to hang on to their little patch of Hamastan.

It wouldn’t be so hard, ideologically: they’d just have to redefine Israel as the sole ghetto for the Mideast’s Jews and themselves as the frontline enforcers of the ghetto walls. If they can wangle financial aid from Israel for humanitarian purposes, they can tell themselves it’s a jizya tax, and the fiction will be complete.

16 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:06:07pm

re: #13 WriterMom

YOU AGAIN!

Why not?

17 bulwrk  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:06:12pm

Hamas has launched a probe which is expected to be extremely critical of the failures of its military wing during the recent Gaza offensive


Hopefully followed by a circular firing squad.

18 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:06:12pm

Memo to the Hamas probe team:

The reason is, militarily you suck.

Saved ya a bunch of time and money. No thanks needed.

19 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:06:16pm
Jane’s said a full report due soon would be critical of almost every decision taken by battlefield commanders during the 22-day assault, which ended last week.

I don’t buy it. They won’t be critical of firing from schools, hospitals and civilian enclaves. They regard that tactic as a big winner.

20 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:06:16pm

Major Drawback 1) Israel started shooting back.

21 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:06:44pm

re: #8 Peacekeeper

No, they are the ones holding the baby in front of their own bullet proof vests.

22 jorline  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:06:46pm
If Hamas actually starts being honest with themselves, Israel could be in serious trouble.

First admission…we’re an army of cowards.

Second admission…The rooster was more popular than out army.

23 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:06:50pm
24 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:07:01pm

re: #8 Peacekeeper

HAMAS battlefield commanders

THe guys in the trucks we saw (usually) driving away before the missile strike?

… or maybe the guys calling ambulances to try to escape.

25 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:07:15pm

re: #16 Peacekeeper

Hmmm…can’t argue with that.

26 baconeatingkaffir  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:07:18pm

Great, will this involve any pink jew eating fluffy bunnies? Why dont we let the Israelis give them a hands on exhibition on why they failed? Could this mean that Hamas actually admits they failed?

27 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:07:27pm

re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Major Drawback 1) Israel started shooting back.

Yep - they missed out on planning for that …

28 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:07:27pm

Today, at Hamas HQ*, “Hey guys, who wants to write a report critical of the military wing?”

*currently held in a broom closet under the local kindergarten.

29 Infidel_Jim  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:07:29pm

What the..?
Aren’t these people a burch of rag-tag street gangs with Ak-47?
What “Field commanders”?

30 jorline  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:07:56pm

re: #22 jorline

First admission…we’re an army of cowards.

Second admission…The rooster was more popular than out army.

PIMF…our

31 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:08:01pm

re: #5 mean Gene

Good points.

Iran must be feeling the oil pinch and want better results on their next “investment.”

32 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:08:23pm

Israel should ask to appear before the committee and kill them all. How about them conclusions? Ha?

33 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:08:38pm

The military failings? Are you kidding me?

They’re really wondering how they didn’t win the propaganda war as soundly as Hizbullah did in 2006. They’re going to have to figure out how to better control the media on the ground, and get better doctors to run faux codes so that it’s more difficult to detect the propaganda.

What’s far more likely is that Iran is asking questions of Hamas in Gaza as to why they were more successful in killing Joos. They’ll want to know why more Grads weren’t fired, and why those that were didn’t kill or maim as many Joos as possible.

They’ll wonder why Hamas didn’t take even more advantage of using UN positions from which to fire on Israeli soldiers within Gaza or use Gazan schools as launching pads. They’ll wonder where all the money Iran spent on weapons, equipment, and training went.

At the same time, Hamas is busy rebuilding the tunnels and terror infrastructure, while still downplaying the beating that their personnel took. The media is still helping them on that front.

34 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:08:40pm

AFP SUCKS

The news came as European Union (EU) aid commissioner Louis Michel toured war-torn Gaza, labelling conditions “abominable” and saying that its “terrorist” Hamas rulers bear responsibility for the fighting.

35 Opinionated  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:08:50pm

I think they followed their plan very well:

Use children as human shields- check

Use mosques and hospitals to store weapons- check

Use CNN for propaganda -check

Bobby trap homes without the occupants knowledge and blame Israel for casualties- check

Leaders hide like cowards -check

Bring out the rooster- check

36 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:09:58pm
37 mfarmer1  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:10:10pm

Oh goody goody goody. We’re going to be treated to more videos of soldiers terrorists jumping through flaming tires and more!

Can’t wait for the next installments of “Pioneers of Tomorrow” as well. Those should be swell!

38 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:10:20pm

re: #6 MJ

Actually, I think it’s a ploy to get re-armed with better weapons. Watch for the State Department hacks to ask that the Hamas Army receive training and weapons as part of the “two-state solution”.

* * *
And they’ll demand “proportionality” for jihad, paid for by — watch your wallet, America.

39 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:10:20pm

around 50 of Hamas’s top explosives experts as among the most significant.

HAMAS is hiring! Immediate openings for qualified applicants.

40 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:11:00pm

re: #34 WriterMom

AFP SUCKS - The news came as European Union (EU) aid commissioner Louis Michel toured war-torn Gaza, labelling conditions “abominable” and saying that its “terrorist” Hamas rulers bear responsibility for the fighting.

I’m confused, this looks like the EU is blaming Hamas. What am i missing?

41 SWPaul  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:11:01pm

It’s like the Calvin and Hobbes comics where their club attacked Susie, gets defeated and they stand around declaring medals of bravery for everyone!

42 turn  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:11:05pm

re: #33 lawhawk

while still downplaying the beating that their personnel took.
Wait a minute LH, only innocent civilians were beaten by the joos attack.
/

43 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:11:06pm

re: #39 Peacekeeper

around 50 of Hamas’s top explosives experts as among the most significant.

HAMAS is hiring! Immediate openings for qualified applicants.

There’s a solution for the recession.
/Do I really need a sarc tag?

44 baconeatingkaffir  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:11:43pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Kragar, I remember back in the day when I was at Sheppard AFB doing my med tech training. We had ALOT of arabs there for assorted skills training. They wouldnt come to class, didnt take things seriously and mostly seemed more concerned with womanizing,shopping, and staying inebriated. Rumor had it that alot of them knew the US wouldnt fail them because they’d be beheaded upon returning home. We had some Saudi jackass (no doubt a member of their ruling tribe) go AWOL for 2 months. He got busted in NYC if I remember correctly. They still graduated him.
I wouldnt be too worried about the Saudi or Kuwaiti armies. Its the gulf armies from Qatar and the Emriates who are more up to par. Thats just because they use mercenaries. Most of the Omani AF officers I saw were british expats ex RAF etc.

45 SWPaul  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:11:44pm

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

I believe you are too drunk to read at this time, sir.

46 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:12:02pm

re: #42 turn

while still downplaying the beating that their personnel took.
Wait a minute LH, only innocent civilians were beaten by the joos attack.
/

Indeed. It’s a numbers game.

47 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:12:03pm

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

I’m confused, this looks like the EU is blaming Hamas. What am i missing?

If the EU is blaming Hamas, then I expect the flying pig’s hangar door is creaking open.

48 Eowyn2  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:12:08pm

re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Major Drawback 1) Israel started shooting back.

that about sums it up.

49 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:12:18pm

Deploy Pelosi next time, she’s got a planned program.

50 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:12:27pm

re: #43 Honorary Yooper

There’s a solution for the recession.
/Do I really need a sarc tag?

All part of Obama’s Terrorism Stimulus Package.

51 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:12:30pm

re: #43 Honorary Yooper

There’s a solution for the recession.
/Do I really need a sarc tag?

Two types of job opportunites: Building bombs, wearing bombs.

52 turn  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:12:50pm

re: #35 Opinionated

Hey there Opinionated, what’s this thing about the rooster I’ve heard talk of here? I’m slow.

53 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:12:53pm
54 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:13:16pm

re: #49 alegrias

Deploy Pelosi next time, she’s got a planned program.

She only has one plan:

Drown them in freshly printed dollars.

55 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:13:16pm

re: #45 SWPaul

I believe you are too drunk to read at this time, sir.

Ok, first off, I don’t drink, and I was really asking that question. I read the paragraph 5 times and I wasn’t sure why Mom was saying APF sucks. All I was looking for was an explanation, not a snarky comment from you.

56 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:13:26pm

re: #36 taxfreekiller

now if,

Hamas was real, if they had a real Army ect., that would mean Obama has something to declare war upon.

Be very careful Hamas, Obama seems to be looking for a fight he is sure to win.

Obama will deploy troops against Americans before he starts anything new in the ME

57 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:13:44pm

The problem is that the Palestinians have raised martyrdom to such a level in their society that they have a population and an army that wants to die instead of win. Whenever they find a dead baby to wave in front of the cameras they consider it a victory. When they suffer losses more than 20 to one agaisnt the Israelis they consider it a victory. It’s a lousy military tactic.

58 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:13:46pm

re: #47 Honorary Yooper

If the EU is blaming Hamas, then I expect the flying pig’s hangar door is creaking open.

Only very very slightly - just for the odd, tiny flying piglet …

59 Eowyn2  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:13:47pm

re: #26 baconeatingkaffir

Great, will this involve any pink jew eating fluffy bunnies? Why dont we let the Israelis give them a hands on exhibition on why they failed? Could this mean that Hamas actually admits they failed?

no, they didn’t fail. That would be bad for their self esteem. they are just learning at their own pace.

60 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:14:08pm

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

I’m confused, this looks like the EU is blaming Hamas. What am i missing?

The EU is getting tired of throwing Euro’s down a rat hole.

61 ThinkRight  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:14:16pm

Is Hamass getting strategy from the Obama Admin
Sounds a lot like the way Obama speaks

62 jcm  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:14:18pm

re: #51 Peacekeeper

Two types of job opportunites: Building bombs, wearing bombs.

Rocket scientist!
////

63 vagabond trader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:14:23pm

Battlefield commanders, oh that is rich. The ones in drag or those hiding amongst civilians?

64 SWPaul  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:14:46pm

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

It was a joke. Poorly planned. Sorry.

65 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:15:01pm
66 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:15:01pm

How was the performance of Norwegion mad doctors?

67 jaunte  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:15:16pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

They know how to fight guerilla and p.r. wars, but that doesn’t really move them to their desired “river-to-the-sea” endstate.

68 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:15:27pm

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

I wasn’t sure why Mom was saying APF sucks

I think that was for the scare quotes around “terrorist.”

69 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:15:39pm

re: #60 Dustyvet

The EU is getting tired of throwing Euro’s down a rat hole.

That still doesn’t answer my question, from anyone. Writer Mom said APF sucks, yet the paragraph appears to be putting the blame squarely on Hamas.

I was only looking for a clarification of what I was reading. I wasn’t trying to dump on Writer Mom or what ever.

It was an honest inquiry.

70 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:15:41pm
and around 50 of Hamas’s top explosives experts

As ye live by the boom!, so shall ye die by the boom!.

Good riddance.

71 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:15:51pm

re: #66 Peacekeeper

How was the performance of Norwegion mad doctors?

Grade B acting. They might make it in Plan 9 From Outer Space, but not much else.

72 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:15:51pm

re: #66 Peacekeeper

How was the performance of Norwegion mad doctors?

* * *
Oscar worthy, for sure.

73 Cicero05  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:15:57pm

Finding #1: Hamas members dropped their weapons and ran away screaming like little girls.

74 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:15:58pm

re: #66 Peacekeeper

How was the performance of Norwegion mad doctors?

Pinning for the fjords…

75 turn  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:16:03pm

re: #46 lawhawk

That was a good post LH. I wonder what those skeletons in your closet are you mentioned here earlier. Maybe you are overrating them, after all Obama had a whole graveyard in his closet and still got anointed.

76 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:16:04pm

re: #63 vagabond trader

Battlefield commanders, oh that is rich. The ones in drag or those hiding amongst civilians?

The ones in need of lots of fresh underwear from shaking in their deep raholes, a.k.a. bunkers …

77 Eowyn2  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:16:09pm

re: #39 Peacekeeper

around 50 of Hamas’s top explosives experts as among the most significant.

HAMAS is hiring! Immediate openings for qualified applicants.

Hamas has top explosives experts. I just smile every time I read that.

Translation - around 50 of Hamas rocket sites were destroyed with personnel still at the site.

78 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:16:12pm

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

Ok, first off, I don’t drink, and I was really asking that question. I read the paragraph 5 times and I wasn’t sure why Mom was saying APF sucks. All I was looking for was an explanation, not a snarky comment from you.

I read the paragraph a few times as well, and I’m with you. Certainly reads as though the terrorist label is being applied to Hamas.

79 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:16:39pm

re: #70 Occasional Reader

As ye live by the boom!, so shall ye die by the boom!.

Good riddance.

They graduated from the program

80 Mike in Georgia  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:16:40pm

Perhaps they should launch a few anal probes.

81 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:17:08pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

I think that was for the scare quotes around “terrorist.”

Ok, got it now. And now that you pointed it out, yes APF sucks. They are terrorists, as much as I am dense sometimes.

That didn’t jump out at me.

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:17:14pm

OT…WHOA!

83 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:17:18pm

I do hope someone is checking up on al-Capon, the Gaza Rooster.

84 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:17:34pm
85 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:17:41pm

re: #33 lawhawk

In other words, Hamas (read: Iran) is going to ask why Hamas isn’t more like Hizbullah in operational effectiveness in carrying on the proxy war with Israel.

Typo fix:

What’s far more likely is that Iran is asking questions of Hamas in Gaza as to why they weren’t more successful in killing Joos. They’ll want to know why more Grads weren’t fired, and why those that were didn’t kill or maim as many Joos as possible.
86 doppelganglander  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:17:41pm

re: #73 Cicero05

Finding #1: Hamas members dropped their weapons and ran away screaming like little girls.

As a former little girl, I take umbrage at your characterization of us. My Brownie troop could have kicked Hamas ass.

87 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:17:41pm

re: #72 alegrias

Oscar worthy, for sure.

Oh, come on now. That was some of the worst acting I’ve seen since Matt Damon was in Pearl Harbor.

88 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:17:43pm

re: #79 Peacekeeper

They graduated from the program

The IDF lowered the boom!.

89 turn  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:17:45pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

And they’ve brainwashed the next generation with it too. Sickening the way they use their children really.

90 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:18:04pm

Trial underway: Count every vote, but only once, Coleman lawyer says

The critical issue is whether to count thousands more absentee ballots, Coleman’s lawyer says.


www.startribune.com

91 guftafs  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:18:09pm

Some power sending military advisors” to Gaza?

92 Opinionated  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:18:10pm
Heavy criticism has been levelled at Ezzedine al-Qassam commanders who unilaterally declared an end to the truce with Israel on December 19, even though conflict preparations such as building a new safe communications network were incomplete, Jane’s said.

This is what a truce, a cease fire is all about.

This is what the retards in Israel in Kadima and Labor are negotiating.

This is what the World and the Obama administration is pushing.

For this a prick like Carter is salivating.

CEASE FIRES ARE USED TO REARM AND PREPARE FOR THE NEXT WAR

93 Dutch Duncan  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:18:14pm

Hamas probably wants better missiles next time.
They will be getting them through the tunnels to Egypt.
The more important it is to really eradicate the tunnels between Egypt en Gaza.
Egypt is not doing enough to prevent that partly because of corruption, partly because a lot of Egyptians support Hamas.
This eradication will only happen if America is forcing Egypt to allow for example foreign tunnel-experts to find and destroy them.
America is the only one who could actually pressure Egypt to do more.
If Hamas cannot get new weapons they will be just powerless.

94 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:18:18pm

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

The EU blaming Hamas for the situation is good, but AFP putting “scare quotes” around “terrorist” is annoying.

95 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:18:30pm

re: #82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT…WHOA!

What’s the problem, they’re consistent?
/

96 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:18:35pm

re: #81 Walter L. Newton

Ok, got it now. And now that you pointed it out, yes APF sucks. They are terrorists, as much as I am dense sometimes.

That didn’t jump out at me.

Me too. But, while APF sucks, it still seems to me the EU dude was calling Hamas terrorists. (Well, unless he did the finger-quote thing when he said it.)

97 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:19:01pm

re: #83 Occasional Reader

I do hope someone is checking up on al-Capon, the Gaza Rooster.

You mean the Gaza Ex-Rooster. That is what a capon is, yes?

98 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:19:03pm

re: #92 Opinionated

This is what a truce, a cease fire is all about.

This is what the retards in Israel in Kadima and Labor are negotiating.

This is what the World and the Obama administration is pushing.

For this a prick like Carter is salivating.

CEASE FIRES ARE USED TO REARM AND PREPARE FOR THE NEXT WAR

They are not ceasefires. They are hudna.

99 Eowyn2  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:19:04pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

The problem is that the Palestinians have raised martyrdom to such a level in their society that they have a population and an army that wants to die instead of win. Whenever they find a dead baby to wave in front of the cameras they consider it a victory. When they suffer losses more than 20 to one agaisnt the Israelis they consider it a victory. It’s a lousy military tactic.

The first and foremost assumption is that there is an actual Hamas army instead of a bunch of psychopathic leaders telling Muslims to kill the Jews.

100 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:19:09pm

re: #62 jcm

Creepy Pediatrician!

101 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:19:17pm

re: #94 WriterMom

The EU blaming Hamas for the situation is good, but AFP putting “scare quotes” around “terrorist” is annoying.

Yea, got it, someone pointed that out to me. Well, a slight bit better than what we have seen before.

102 Spiritualized  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:19:27pm
The report will highlight the losses of interior minister Said Siam and around 50 of Hamas’s top explosives experts as among the most significant.

I thought Israel only killed schoolchildren, orphans, old ladies and arthritic donkeys?

Has the BBC been lying to me all this time?

103 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:19:28pm

re: #87 Honorary Yooper

Oh, come on now. That was some of the worst acting I’ve seen since Matt Damon was in Pearl Harbor.

Matt Damon was in Pearl Harbor?

Why am I getting flashbacks of “Animal House”…

104 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:19:48pm

re: #91 guftafs

Some power sending military advisors” to Gaza?

The “Germans” are sending some “Experts” to the Egypt-Gaza border to “Help” Egypt stop the smuggling of weapons into Gaza? How come that doesn’t make me feel good?

105 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:19:54pm

re: #77 Eowyn2

Hamas has top explosives experts. I just smile every time I read that.

Translation - around 50 of Hamas rocket sites were destroyed with personnel still at the site.

Methinks the Iranian paymasters would like to know how come so many of ther Grads went up in those fabulous secondary explosions - never mind those ‘experts’ they’re all martyrs, no loss at all. Thats what they wanted. But Grads - they cost money!

106 jorline  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:19:56pm

re: #52 turn

Hey there Opinionated, what’s this thing about the rooster I’ve heard talk of here? I’m slow.

During Hamas’ 22 day butt whipping, there was a live Gaza-cam. Every night, around 9:30 om CST, the roosters would start crowing. The rooster became very popular, probably the only native male in Gaza with balls.

107 Opinionated  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:20:13pm

re: #52 turn

Hey there Opinionated, what’s this thing about the rooster I’ve heard talk of here? I’m slow.

Heard frequently during the live feed. Kept us entertained.

Likely now dinner.

108 vagabond trader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:20:24pm

re: #104 Nevergiveup

Think German troops in Afghanistan.

109 razorbacker  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:20:46pm

re: #15 stuiec

You’re on to something there. If the musselmen would simply declare Isreal a ‘jewish ghetto’ and claim victory in their ongoing efforts to cleanse the musselman world of the remaining Juice they could just declare victory and go back to beating their wives and judging camel beauty contests.

Sounds like a win-win to me. Well, except for the wives and nervous camels, that is.

110 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:20:48pm

re: #103 MrSilverDragon

Matt Damon was in Pearl Harbor?

Why am I getting flashbacks of “Animal House”…

OK, I stand corrected, it was Ben Affleck.

111 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:20:59pm

re: #83 Occasional Reader

Sniff…that’s so sweet of you, caring for the animals of Gaza…PETA needs people like you.

112 DeafDog  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:21:09pm

Huh?

Leaping through a burning ring isn’t good training?

113 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:21:29pm

re: #104 Nevergiveup

What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

114 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:21:34pm

re: #83 Occasional Reader

I do hope someone is checking up on al-Capon, the Gaza Rooster.

At least he didn’t chicken out.

115 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:21:59pm

re: #110 Honorary Yooper

OK, I stand corrected, it was Ben Affleck.

And that other left wing nut job Baldwin. One reason that the remake of “Pearl Harbor” sucked

116 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:22:14pm
117 turn  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:22:28pm

re: #106 jorline

re: #107 Opinionated

Thanks guys, knew it must have been a LGFism.

118 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:22:54pm
119 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:22:58pm

re: #85 lawhawk

In other words, Hamas (read: Iran) is going to ask why Hamas isn’t more like Hizbullah in operational effectiveness in carrying on the proxy war with Israel.

However, it’s worth noting that when a few missiles came out of Lebanon during Operation Cast Lead a couple of weeks ago, Hezbollah rushed to the microphones to declare it had nothing to do with them. It sounds like at least the Second Lebanon War, like Operation Cast Lead, convinced the bad guys that there are, indeed, limits to Israeli restraint and that there are, indeed, painful consequences for pushing Israel past those limits.

120 J.S.  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:23:21pm

OT

CNN is reporting about the government collapse in Iceland (thanks to the economic meltdown)…are those riots? or are they just burning stuff?

121 albusteve  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:23:27pm

re: #44 baconeatingkaffir

Kragar, I remember back in the day when I was at Sheppard AFB doing my med tech training. We had ALOT of arabs there for assorted skills training. They wouldnt come to class, didnt take things seriously and mostly seemed more concerned with womanizing,shopping, and staying inebriated. Rumor had it that alot of them knew the US wouldnt fail them because they’d be beheaded upon returning home. We had some Saudi jackass (no doubt a member of their ruling tribe) go AWOL for 2 months. He got busted in NYC if I remember correctly. They still graduated him.
I wouldnt be too worried about the Saudi or Kuwaiti armies. Its the gulf armies from Qatar and the Emriates who are more up to par. Thats just because they use mercenaries. Most of the Omani AF officers I saw were british expats ex RAF etc.

in my RN program if you were late for class three times in 25 months you were expelled…with your head tho

122 jcm  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:23:31pm

re: #112 DeafDog

Huh?

Leaping through a burning ring isn’t good training?

Desensitizes them, leaping through the burning doorway into hell seems the natural thing to do.

123 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:23:46pm

re: #115 Nevergiveup

And that other left wing nut job Baldwin. One reason that the remake of “Pearl Harbor” sucked

Yeah. I was shocked. Went to see it and ended up rooting for the Japanese.

124 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:23:47pm

re: #111 WriterMom

Sniff…that’s so sweet of you, caring for the animals of Gaza…PETA needs people like you.

Wherever there’s a rooster within the blast radius of a JDAM… I’ll be there.

/Henry Fonda voice

125 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:23:56pm
126 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:24:15pm

HAMAS also suffered unacceptable losses in villas, swimming pools and German sedans.

127 razorbacker  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:24:15pm

re: #120 J.S.

OT

CNN is reporting about the government collapse in Iceland (thanks to the economic meltdown)…are those riots? or are they just burning stuff?

They’re prolly just burning outdated loan agreements. Kinda chilly in Iceland, from what I hear.

128 brookly red  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:24:26pm

re: #98 lawhawk

They are not ceasefires. They are hudna.

It might turn out to be a half-time show.

129 looking closely  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:24:28pm

This is “cargo cult” military maneuvering.
Hamas thinks that if it issues investigations like Israel, its going to fight like Israel.

Meanwhile, America’s #1 idiotarian, disgraced former President Jimmy Carter has a nice sit-down with HAMAS, whom he doesn’t consider a terrorist group:

From Powerline:
www.powerlineblog.com

130 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:24:29pm

This was in Jane’s?

131 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:24:33pm

re: #115 Nevergiveup

And that other left wing nut job Baldwin. One reason that the remake of “Pearl Harbor” sucked

Playing a guy who actually wanted to fight back and defend America when attacked.

In keeping with my policy to find something nice to say about everyone, the fact that Alec Baldwin played a patriot gives me new respect for his ability to ACT.

132 Viking6  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:24:38pm

re: #29 Infidel_Jim

What the..?
What “Field commanders”?

Similar to Community Organizers here.

/

133 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:24:53pm

re: #114 Peacekeeper

At least he didn’t chicken out.

And he was ready for anything… cocked and locked.

134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:24:59pm

re: #124 Occasional Reader

Co - inky - dink… I’m watching “Midway” right now. Fonda was just onscreen.

135 debutaunt  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:25:27pm

re: #123 subsailor68

Yeah. I was shocked. Went to see it and ended up rooting for the Japanese.

hahahahahahahhahahaa

136 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:25:28pm

re: #111 WriterMom

Sniff…that’s so sweet of you, caring for the animals of Gaza…PETA needs people like you.

Good point. Are all the Sea Kittens ok in the Dead Sea?

137 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:25:44pm

re: #133 Occasional Reader

And he was ready for anything… cocked and locked.


(shakes fist)

138 looking closely  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:26:02pm

re: #127 razorbacker

They’re prolly just burning outdated loan agreements. Kinda chilly in Iceland, from what I hear.


You’d be surprised.

95% of the landmass is just barren rocks, but they do have nice cheap geothermal heat there.

139 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:26:20pm

re: #133 Occasional Reader

Locky cocky thread? GA!

140 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:26:52pm

re: #120 J.S.

OT

CNN is reporting about the government collapse in Iceland (thanks to the economic meltdown)…are those riots? or are they just burning stuff?

Now - that is just global warming. You know - Ice on fire. Comes right before Dogs and Cats living together and right after ManBearPig.

/Honestly not sure if it is rioting.

141 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:26:53pm

re: #131 Silhouette

Playing a guy who actually wanted to fight back and defend America when attacked.

In keeping with my policy to find something nice to say about everyone, the fact that Alec Baldwin played a patriot gives me new respect for his ability to ACT.

Oh, moonbats can be very “patriotic” when it comes to wars that were fought 60 or more years ago. Just like they’re firmly in favor of the right of Jews to defend themselves from genocide… up through, but not including, 1948.

142 solomonpanting  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:26:55pm

Hamas lost the war, were the ones to fire from UN locations, schools and civilian areas, but that doesn’t preclude the Plais to call for an investigation into Israeli war crimes. They know the PR war goes on forever.

143 jcm  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:27:02pm

re: #44 baconeatingkaffir

Kragar, I remember back in the day when I was at Sheppard AFB doing my med tech training. We had ALOT of arabs there for assorted skills training. They wouldnt come to class, didnt take things seriously and mostly seemed more concerned with womanizing,shopping, and staying inebriated. Rumor had it that alot of them knew the US wouldnt fail them because they’d be beheaded upon returning home. We had some Saudi jackass (no doubt a member of their ruling tribe) go AWOL for 2 months. He got busted in NYC if I remember correctly. They still graduated him.
I wouldnt be too worried about the Saudi or Kuwaiti armies. Its the gulf armies from Qatar and the Emriates who are more up to par. Thats just because they use mercenaries. Most of the Omani AF officers I saw were british expats ex RAF etc.

I was at Sheppard for tech training. Lot of Iranians training when I was there, just before the melt down in Iran. I was still fluent in Persian, out of practice now. One day several of them where discussing the women in very crude terms. I asked them, in Persian if they’d like me to translated their propositions so them women could respond. They didn’t stick around long.

144 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:27:04pm
145 Cathypop  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:27:41pm

re: #139 WriterMom

Locky cocky thread? GA!


Better than a boob thread

146 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:27:54pm

re: #135 debutaunt

hahahahahahahhahahaa

It was pretty embarrassing for the folks who went with me. Whenever Affleck or Hartnett would show up, I’d jump up and yell at the screen “they’re over there! They’re over there!”

In Japanese.

147 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:27:56pm

funny -terrorist car bomb goes wrong- vw commercial


Youtube Video
148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:27:58pm

There appears to be a “mad-dinger” afoot. I’ll give you three guesses and the first two don’t count.

149 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:27:59pm

re: #130 MandyManners

This was in Jane’s?

Jane’s is a publication that rates the defensive capability of different nations and of different weapons systems.

150 3 wood  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:28:01pm

OT:

Odd day in the market.

So far today the following layoffs have been announced:

Caterpillar 20,000
Sprint 8,000
Phillips 6,000
Home Depot 7,000
Pfizer/Wyeth 19,000
Total 60,000

But, the market is in positive territory at the moment.


Everybody is trying to get their bad news out of the way now so they can have a shot at posting a good couple of quarters at the end of this year.

151 MJ  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:28:28pm
LONDON (AFP) – Hamas has launched a probe which is expected to be extremely critical of the failures of its military wing during the recent Gaza offensive, the respected Jane’s Defence Weekly magazine said Monday.

There is only a “military wing”. Only the Left-Wing media believe they also have a social service wing.

152 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:28:33pm

re: #141 Occasional Reader

There is generally a lot of sympathy for dead Jews…Europe, for example just LOVES Holocaust memorials….they have a more nuanced relationship with live Jews, though. Lefties, too. They really have a problem with those of us that just damn well refuse to die or commit suicide. Strange.

153 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:29:15pm

re: #150 3 wood

The saddest for me was Caterpillar. If only because the Rachel Corrie crowd hates them, I want them to do well.

154 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:29:20pm

re: #129 looking closely

From your link: [Carter speaking]

And as soon as the cease-fire went into effect, Hamas obeyed it completely. There was no serious rocket fire during the next four or five months.

Now we have to get into a definition of terms. “Serious”?!?

155 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:29:26pm

re: #145 Cathypop

Better than a boob thread


But it keeps getting longer.

156 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:29:32pm

re: #151 MJ

Of course they have other wings-the huggy huggy daycare wing, the feed the starving wing, the trains run on time wing…WINGS!

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:29:34pm

re: #150 3 wood

Wood! Someone made the sick (but hysterical) joke earlier that Rachel Corries parents are pleased about the Caterpillar layoffs.

158 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:29:36pm

re: #149 karmic_inquisitor

Jane’s is a publication that rates the defensive capability of different nations and of different weapons systems.

As opposed to Mary Jane’s, where they just giggle a lot, and then eat Cheetos.

159 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:29:47pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why Arabs Lose Wars

Does the author bring up the “jumping through fiery hoops” fetish? Emphasis on that could surely be one reason why they hide in terror when real fighting starts.

160 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:29:50pm

re: #155 Peacekeeper

Naughty boy.

161 Eowyn2  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:29:52pm

re: #82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT…WHOA!

“The only woman among the suspended—Saeedeh Pournader, head coach of the female team—also got a year’s suspension”

I wonder if the women’s team will survive the old Islamic “soccer field challenge of the stones”

162 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:30:07pm

re: #150 3 wood

OT:

Odd day in the market.

So far today the following layoffs have been announced:

Caterpillar 20,000
Sprint 8,000
Phillips 6,000
Home Depot 7,000
Pfizer/Wyeth 19,000
Total 60,000

But, the market is in positive territory at the moment.

Everybody is trying to get their bad news out of the way now so they can have a shot at posting a good couple of quarters at the end of this year.

The fact that the Money Supply had an uptick along with home sales are nice catalysts. Now if we can just get congress to lay off killing any shot at growth.

163 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:30:21pm

How To catch a Terrorist?

Youtube Video
164 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:30:22pm

re: #139 WriterMom

Locky cocky thread? GA!

It’s a macho gun thing, that you just don’t have to worry your pretty little head about, missy. You just focus on your knitting and baking and so forth.

/ducks

165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:31:32pm

re: #161 Eowyn2

I found it to be a very brave “finger” at the hard-liners. I hope these brave souls live to see the next new year.

166 midwestgak  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:31:33pm

re: #153 Silhouette

The saddest for me was Caterpillar. If only because the Rachel Corrie crowd hates them, I want them to do well.

Caterpillar is in my backyard. My cousin has worked for them for years. Dodging layoffs and surviving union contrats has been a way of life for him.

167 LieSeeker  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:32:06pm

“Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal and his followers had effectively pushed for a conflict that it was not ready for.”

Thank you Hamas for admitting that you “pushed for” and caused the conflict, not Israel.

168 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:32:27pm

re: #164 Occasional Reader

Cute. Actually, I’m woman enough to admit to baking. I made a lemon cake which I am dubbing my John Bolton Lemon Cake. I got this really great baking book at the lecture by John Bolton that I went to. They couldn’t give away the Scott Maclellan books-my peeps were all whispering asshole, asshole-when they tried to give them away.

169 Outrider  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:32:43pm
The investigation will also reportedly look at why fighters were unable to achieve many of their defensive aims.

Its going to be hard to look objectively at failures when every failure is looked at as “God willed it”.

170 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:32:55pm

re: #144 Iron Fist

There was a fairly well-reasoned piece by Bret Stephens (IIRC) in the WSJ last week, arguing that, despite the non-“finality” of Cast Lead, it was a clear-cut and important Israeli tactical victory, and perhaps a strategic one. Long story short; the lesson here was to re-teach Israel’s enemies what the IDF is capable of; a needed refresher course after the (relatively) mediocre performance in Lebanon in ‘06 (for which I primarily blame the politicians, not the IDF itself).

171 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:32:58pm

OT

I’m oddly optimistic after learning the Japanese company Canon is encouraging its employees to have families. (Who is more productive than a parent who loves their child/children?) (story at Drudge report)

Whereas Communist China plans your family for you.

172 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:33:00pm

re: #119 stuiec

What that suggests is that Hizbullah didn’t feel that their military preparations were fully in place to deal with an aerial and ground assault by the IDF. They just were biding their time. It also suggests that there was division within Hizbullah leadership as to whether to open a second front or not, and the more pragmatic ones (read: the smarter terrorists) wanted to buy more time before starting another war against Israel. They won out, but don’t expect the hudna to last.

173 Catttt  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:33:02pm

re: #138 looking closely

You’d be surprised.

95% of the landmass is just barren rocks, but they do have nice cheap geothermal heat there.

And eiderdown.

174 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:33:31pm

re: #109 razorbacker

You’re on to something there. If the musselmen would simply declare Isreal a ‘jewish ghetto’ and claim victory in their ongoing efforts to cleanse the musselman world of the remaining Juice they could just declare victory and go back to beating their wives and judging camel beauty contests.

Sounds like a win-win to me. Well, except for the wives and nervous camels, that is.

Somehow it reminds me of a joke about early in the history of the Nazi Party in Germany, when one early member was arguing to a Borwnshirt that they should really consider co-opting the Jews, not getting rid of them. “They’re really remarkably clever people,” he argued. “Let me show you.”

He takes his Brownshirt friend into a Jewish-owned ceramics shop. “Watch this,” he says, and goes to the shopkeeper, asking, “Do you have a beer stein? Something simple and plain.”

The shopkeeper holds up an undecorated stein. “A gentleman such as yourself should drink from something finer, but if you insist, this one is only 50 pfennigs.”

The Nazi says, “Ah, but I was looking for a left-handed one.”

The shopkeeper nods and says, “I see, a rare left-handed beer stein. Well, let me see if I have any in back.”

The Nazi nudges his Brownshirt friend. “Now you’ll see.”

The shopkeeper comes out, saying, “The gentleman is indeed lucky! I happened to have this last one in stock! I can let you have it for 75 pfennigs!” And he holds up the same beer stein as before, turned around to present the handle on the other side.

“Excellent! I’ll take it,” says the Nazi.

After they leave the shop, the Nazi turns to his friend and says, “See how clever the Jews was? I ask for a left-handed beer stein and he comes up with one!”

“So?” replies the Brownshirt. “What’s so clever? He just happened to have one in stock!”

I have to imagine that the same principle can be applied with Hamas.

175 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:33:46pm

re: #162 karmic_inquisitor

The fact that the Money Supply had an uptick along with home sales are nice catalysts. Now if we can just get congress to lay off killing any shot at growth.

I want to know how many of those homes sales are for move in? I suspect that the majority of them are purchases by investors who will sit on them until the prices go up. As far as I’m concerned, home sales right now are not a real indication of what’s going on in the trenches.

176 jaunte  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:34:00pm

As long as Israel can keep knocking off the Hamas management, they have a pretty good Peter Principle effect going.
“Continuous Disimprovement.”

177 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:34:20pm
178 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:34:49pm

HAMAS lessons learned:
1. Light fuse, THEN run.
2. IDF fights much better than FATAH.
3. Kids make better shields if you knock them on the head first.

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:35:23pm

re: #150 3 wood

OT:

Odd day in the market.

So far today the following layoffs have been announced:

Caterpillar 20,000
Sprint 8,000
Phillips 6,000
Home Depot 7,000
Pfizer/Wyeth 19,000
Total 60,000

But, the market is in positive territory at the moment.

Everybody is trying to get their bad news out of the way now so they can have a shot at posting a good couple of quarters at the end of this year.

Like to know what each of these companies numbers were two years ago.

Pfizer (If I’m not mistaken) has some big patents going away.
Home Depot has been hurting for several years.
Sprint hasn’t had a great couple of years (landline business still hurts all telecom companies
Caterpillar has some ugly union contracts.

Are any of these shockers? I am concerned about my company too.

180 Eowyn2  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:35:30pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

From your link: [Carter speaking]


Now we have to get into a definition of terms. “Serious”?!?

Its all about the definition of definition.

181 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:35:34pm

OT:

EU: US Must Show That Gitmo Detainees Pose No Risk Before Taking Them Off Our Hands.

Standards and burdens of proof?

182 J.S.  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:35:38pm

re: #140 karmic_inquisitor

I believe yesterday, in Iceland a large crowd gathered and attempted to storm a police building (they also attacked the Prime Minister — prior to his resignation)…(today the crowd was pepper sprayed)…I guess their “dollar” has been cut in half, and many people’s entire savings are now gone (due to the Icelandic banks doing business with or connected with banks in the UK). There’s an economic meeting in Davos, Switzerland, and word has it that the worst-off (in terms of finances) isn’t actually Iceland, but the UK…

183 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:36:07pm

re: #168 WriterMom

Cute. Actually, I’m woman enough to admit to baking. I made a lemon cake which I am dubbing my John Bolton Lemon Cake. I got this really great baking book at the lecture by John Bolton that I went to. They couldn’t give away the Scott Maclellan books-my peeps were all whispering asshole, asshole-when they tried to give them away.

Hit him harder, WM, he’s still movin’.

184 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:36:14pm

re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You WORK?

185 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:36:21pm

re: #149 karmic_inquisitor

Jane’s is a publication that rates the defensive capability of different nations and of different weapons systems.

I know that. I’m just surprised this article made it. That alone worries me. Who made the decision?

186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:36:43pm

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

You WORK?

FUCK NO!

I wait.

187 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:36:47pm

re: #150 3 wood

Home Depot is shutting the Expo Design Centers, because they underperformed and got away from their core business, even as the market was big for home improvement and upscale improvement. That follows a move by Sears a while back to close their Great Indoors concept stores for a similar reason.

188 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:36:57pm

BTW -

CNN is preparing the public for an Obama fail. It won’t really be failure - it will be Americans holding him to a higher standard because he is black.

189 razorbacker  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:37:07pm

France Sends Its UAV Best To Afghanistan

The MQ-9 Reaper is a 4.7 ton, 36 foot long aircraft with a 66 foot wingspan that looks like the MQ-1. It has six hard points, and can carry 1,500 pounds of weapons. These include Hellfire missiles (up to eight), two Sidewinder or two AMRAAM air-to-air missiles, two Maverick missiles, two 500 pound smart bombs (laser or GPS guided.) Max speed is 400 kilometers an hour, and max endurance is 15 hours. The Reaper is considered a combat aircraft, to replace F-16s or A-10s.

That thing carries more firepower than some ‘heavy bombers’ in WWII.

190 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:37:28pm

re: #181 lawhawk

OT:

EU: US Must Show That Gitmo Detainees Pose No Risk Before Taking Them Off Our Hands.

Standards and burdens of proof?

Dear Europeans,

Please allow Achmed Andigottagun into your country. I have determined that he is okey-dokey.

Signed,
Achmed’s new President

////

191 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:37:33pm

re: #178 Peacekeeper

HAMAS lessons learned:
1. Light fuse, THEN run.
2. IDF fights much better than FATAH.
3. Kids make better shields if you knock them on the head first.

Franz Liebkind: Gentlemen. Ve have here a technical problem. Hmm? I do not know if vat ve have here is ze quick fuse or ze slow fuse. Ja, ja, I must find zis out.
[snips dynamite fuse]
Franz Liebkind: Zis is critical.
[lights fuse with match]
Franz Liebkind: Ha ha ha, ja ja, you see zis? You see zis here vat I have told you? Yeah, zis is an example of smartness here. I have said that zis is ze quick fuse. Huh? And zis IS ze quick fuse.
[pause]
All: THE QUICK FUSE!
[explosion]

192 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:37:33pm

re: #167 LieSeeker

“Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal and his followers had effectively pushed for a conflict that it was not ready for.”

Thank you Hamas for admitting that you “pushed for” and caused the conflict, not Israel.

Major upding.

193 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:37:45pm

re: #120 J.S.

OT

CNN is reporting about the government collapse in Iceland (thanks to the economic meltdown)…are those riots? or are they just burning stuff?

Or burning to keep warm?

194 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:37:51pm

re: #185 MandyManners

I know that. I’m just surprised this article made it. That alone worries me. Who made the decision?

* * * *
Marketing department, wants to upgrade sales of Jane’s publications to the bad guys.

Maybe Hamas will read a book.

195 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:38:11pm

re: #181 lawhawk

OT:

EU: US Must Show That Gitmo Detainees Pose No Risk Before Taking Them Off Our Hands.

Standards and burdens of proof?

Isn’t Obama’s word good enough?

196 Outrider  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:38:26pm

re: #177 Iron Fist

You’ve got Goody’s, a mid-level clothing store, going out of business here in Knoxville. They’ve been around for something like 50 years, and they are all closing up. It is disquieting.

I think a lot of this is a shakeup in how we as Americans do business. I think the time of the malls and huge anchor stores are about gone, with their long lines, limited parking, and expensive goods. Specialty stores are also going to have a harder time. The Internet offers greater prices and are almost always fully stocked.

Americas shopping habits change. This could be part of that change.

197 razorbacker  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:38:53pm

re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Like to know what each of these companies numbers were two years ago.

Pfizer (If I’m not mistaken) has some big patents going away.
Home Depot has been hurting for several years.
Sprint hasn’t had a great couple of years (landline business still hurts all telecom companies
Caterpillar has some ugly union contracts.

Are any of these shockers? I am concerned about my company too.

Caterpillar just announced a new plant in AR. A ‘right to work’ state. Should be some nice-paying jobs for Arkies.

198 brookly red  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:39:09pm

re: #181 lawhawk

OT:

EU: US Must Show That Gitmo Detainees Pose No Risk Before Taking Them Off Our Hands.

Standards and burdens of proof?

Yup. (but of course they pose no risk, IF you keep them away from other people).

199 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:39:18pm

re: #188 karmic_inquisitor

BTW -

CNN is preparing the public for an Obama fail. It won’t really be failure - it will be Americans holding him to a higher standard because he is black.

From your link:

White candidates for office don’t have to have an uninterrupted life of achievement to be considered for the Oval Office, Rojecki says.

“If George W. Bush were black, do you think he would be president?” Rojecki asked.

Er, right. We elect white people all the time to the Oval Office who have zero executive/command experience, right?

200 jcm  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:39:19pm

re: #171 alegrias

OT

I’m oddly optimistic after learning the Japanese company Canon is encouraging its employees to have families. (Who is more productive than a parent who loves their child/children?) (story at Drudge report)

Whereas Communist China plans your family for you.


Whereas Communist China Nancy Pelosi plans your family for you.

Updated……..

201 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:39:51pm

re: #185 MandyManners

I know that. I’m just surprised this article made it. That alone worries me. Who made the decision?

Company Leadership
Michael Dell
Managing Director, Jane’s Information Group

Michael Dell became Managing Director of Jane’s Information Group, (an IHS company), in September 2008. This followed four years as Deputy Managing Director, during which time he held line responsibility for all commercial activities covering sales, consultancy, marketing, client services, product management and M&A.

During this period he helped to lead Jane’s through its acquisition for $183.5mn by IHS in June 2007. This was followed by the acquisition by IHS of Documental Solutions for $24.5mn in September 2008 and its integration into Jane’s.

He joined Jane’s in 2001 shortly after its acquisition by the Woodbridge Corporation for $110mn. In addition to the roles outlined above, he has been responsible through his career at the company for electronic product development and security editorial.

Previously he was Deputy Managing Editor and then Director of Consultancy and Research at Oxford Analytica; and a bond market analyst at the Union Bank of Switzerland.

The central theme of his career is the commercial development of information, media and consulting businesses as they adapt to the internet-based Information Age.

He holds degrees in international relations and economics from the University of Cambridge (1992) and the London School of Economics (1988).

202 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:39:53pm

re: #196 Outrider

I think a lot of this is a shakeup in how we as Americans do business. I think the time of the malls and huge anchor stores are about gone, with their long lines, limited parking, and expensive goods. Specialty stores are also going to have a harder time. The Internet offers greater prices and are almost always fully stocked.

Americas shopping habits change. This could be part of that change.

If my wife is any example, your 100% right.

203 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:39:58pm

re: #187 lawhawk

Home Depot is shutting the Expo Design Centers, because they underperformed and got away from their core business, even as the market was big for home improvement and upscale improvement. That follows a move by Sears a while back to close their Great Indoors concept stores for a similar reason.

It stands to reason that a store for do it your selfers wouldn’t do well trying to pimp a full service design service.

204 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:40:25pm

re: #199 Occasional Reader

Er, right. We elect white people all the time to the Oval Office who have zero executive/command experience, right?

I’m still waiting for Barry to have one achievement other than being elected.

205 opnion  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:40:31pm

I am profoudly confused. Afghanistan is protesting the killing of 16 alleged civilians in a strike. There is shooting near our embassy in Yemen, just reported. I thought that if we just elected Obama that the world would love us.
Where is the love?

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:40:44pm

re: #203 Peacekeeper

It stands to reason that a store for do it your selfers wouldn’t do well trying to pimp a full service design service.

I could write volumes.

207 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:40:48pm

re: #185 MandyManners

I know that. I’m just surprised this article made it. That alone worries me. Who made the decision?

Well they try to be clinical in how they view things. Frankly, it seems level headed to me that they see through the whole “Hamas is a charity” charade.

It should also indicate that Hamas bagmen must be well inside the network of arms dealers in Europe so that Jane’s was able to pick this up. The “review” might have been what arms dealers were told was delaying the next Hamas weapons order.

208 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:40:56pm

re: #194 alegrias

* * * *
Marketing department, wants to upgrade sales of Jane’s publications to the bad guys.

Maybe Hamas will read a book.

Something other than the Koran and the Protocols.

209 jcm  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:41:04pm

re: #204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m still waiting for Barry to have one achievement other than being elected.

He seemed to learn Alinsky’s rules pretty well.

210 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:41:05pm

re: #152 WriterMom

There is generally a lot of sympathy for dead Jews…Europe, for example just LOVES Holocaust memorials….they have a more nuanced relationship with live Jews, though. Lefties, too. They really have a problem with those of us that just damn well refuse to die or commit suicide. Strange.

It isn’t strange at all. Dead Jews, they can feel sympathy for because they tell themselves, “if just those Jews hadn’t been so stubborn in their religion and traditions, if they’d been enlightened like us, they wouldn’t have died so needlessly.” Live Jews, by contrast, continue to refuse to accept the “gifts” their enlightened neighbors keep trying to shove down our throats. It was even made explicit during the French revolution:

The French conception of the Jews, Mr. Pryce-Jones points out, derives from the French Revolution. Quoting the Conte de Clermont-Tonnerre’s famous saying to the General Assembly, ‘To the Jews as individuals everything, to the Jews as a nation nothing’, he notes that the French attitude toward the Jews is defined by what the French think they ought to be, not by how Jews define themselves.
211 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:41:08pm

Shooting outside the US Embassy in Yemen. Hum? Another released gitmo terrorist?

212 solomonpanting  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:41:33pm

re: #181 lawhawk

OT:

EU: US Must Show That Gitmo Detainees Pose No Risk Before Taking Them Off Our Hands.

Standards and burdens of proof?

US: “Rest assured, they’re no worse than the invited guests your governments now support.”

213 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:41:45pm

re: #189 razorbacker

France Sends Its UAV Best To Afghanistan


That thing carries more firepower than some ‘heavy bombers’ in WWII.

Note:

The EADS SIDM is actually a modified version of the Israeli IAI Eagle UAV.

Gasp! The Europeans use a modified weapon of an evil Zionist weapon designed to wantonly kill Palestinian babies and widows!

214 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:42:00pm

re: #195 Nevergiveup

Isn’t Obama’s word good enough?

They got a signed note. See 190. It never worked with Mr. Kotter, but these are Europeans we’re talking aboit.

215 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:42:12pm

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I could write volumes.

You WORK?

216 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:42:28pm

US Embassy in Yemen urged Americans in Yemen to be careful? Careful? Get the fuck out!

217 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:42:31pm

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I could write volumes.

I can haz awtografd copi?

218 jcm  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:42:40pm

re: #211 Nevergiveup

Shooting outside the US Embassy in Yemen. Hum? Another released gitmo terrorist?

Release conditions. A suit, $30, a plane ticket and an AK.
/

219 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:43:10pm

re: #200 jcm

Whereas Communist China Nancy Pelosi plans your family for you.

Updated……..

* * * *
Yes, She Can Plan your Fam!

221 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:43:45pm

re: #216 Nevergiveup

US Embassy in Yemen urged Americans in Yemen to be careful? Careful? Get the fuck out!

A note on the State Departments website states “where’s Yemen?”
/

223 opnion  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:43:55pm

re: #181 lawhawk

OT:

EU: US Must Show That Gitmo Detainees Pose No Risk Before Taking Them Off Our Hands.

Standards and burdens of proof?


Damn idiots. How many of these guys do they actually think are not terrorists?
It was so easy to criticise us, but now they want caution.
Don’t close Gitmo, it is a great solution.

224 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:44:17pm

re: #188 karmic_inquisitor

BTW -

CNN is preparing the public for an Obama fail. It won’t really be failure - it will be Americans holding him to a higher standard because he is black.

I’m ready to start printing the bumper stickers to sell at the 2012 DNC:

“Obama 2012 - He’s Really Starting to Get the Hang of It”

“Obama 2012 - Seems a Shame to Waste All That OJT When It’s Finally Sinking In”

“Obama 2012 - What Are The Chances He’ll Make the Same Mistakes THREE Times?”

225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:44:33pm

Boy. Henry Fonda was OLD in Midway.

226 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:44:33pm

re: #219 alegrias

* * * *
Yes, She Can Plan your Fam!

Logan’s Run, the ultimate ending to all this gubmint healthcare.

228 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:44:46pm

re: #204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m still waiting for Barry to have one achievement other than being elected.

Are you kidding? Each of his speeches represent the greatest political oratory in the history of the universe, with only the speech before that one coming even close. I know it’s true, I read it in the MSM. For instance, his Inaugural speech, with all those unforgettable lines about… um… wait a minute, it’ll come to me… rising tides? Raising hope? Chasing our dreams to the receding horizon? Something like that.

229 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:45:05pm

re: #210 stuiec

By “strange”, I’m really trying to say delicately that I know those POS antisemites would rather have me dead (boo hoo hoo) than alive and fighting.

230 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:45:20pm

Core Values
Accuracy and impartiality
Integrity and trust
Open communication
Learning and development
Excellence in all that we do

You missed: Helping terrorists murder millions of Israelis!

231 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:45:21pm

re: #171 alegrias

OT

I’m oddly optimistic after learning the Japanese company Canon is encouraging its employees to have families. (Who is more productive than a parent who loves their child/children?) (story at Drudge report)

Whereas Communist China plans your family for you.

Well, I like their cameras and printers. I have a Canon SD900 camera and an MP620 multifunction machne, and they work well.
Another reason to buy their stuff.

232 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:45:28pm

I JUST DON’T DO DELICATE very well.

233 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:45:31pm

re: #208 MandyManners

Something other than the Koran and the Protocols.

* * * *
The WashPost wants to be among the top three in that number.

234 razorbacker  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:45:44pm

re: #205 opnion

I am profoudly confused. Afghanistan is protesting the killing of 16 alleged civilians in a strike. There is shooting near our embassy in Yemen, just reported. I thought that if we just elected Obama that the world would love us.
Where is the love?

Where is The Love?

235 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:45:56pm

re: #226 Peacekeeper

Logan’s Run, the ultimate ending to all this gubmint healthcare.

Carousel!

236 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:45:58pm

re: #224 stuiec

I’m ready to start printing the bumper stickers to sell at the 2012 DNC:

“Obama 2012 - He’s Really Starting to Get the Hang of It”

“Obama 2012 - Seems a Shame to Waste All That OJT When It’s Finally Sinking In”

“Obama 2012 - What Are The Chances He’ll Make the Same Mistakes THREE Times?”

OBAMA 2012 he don’t know from Mayans.

237 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:45:59pm

re: #222 karmic_inquisitor

They aren’t. I know people there. They aren’t.

Then, why the fuck are they lending legitimacy to a bunch of filthy, fucking, murderous bastards?

238 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:46:17pm

re: #228 Occasional Reader

Most amazing, awesome TRANSPARENT administration EVAH?

239 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:46:21pm

re: #220 MandyManners

240 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:46:41pm

re: #233 alegrias

* * * *
The WashPost wants to be among the top three in that number.

What? Not the NYT?

241 Marvo76  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:47:09pm

“Abdul, please read your report to the mullah review”

Section one, “why we were victorious but lost anyway”
Allah Clarkbar, we seemed to have lost the information war from the start. The filthy Joooos began to take video of our posistions and where we set up our mortar and rocket launchers. In the future we should place trash cans with specially built lids that can be removed to launch our glorius messengers of allah to the joos, to the western media this will look like we are just throwing things away, and then replacing the lid.
Tariq: ” I think they will see through that, would any right thinking soldier ever throw anything awy? Would Allah allow a Trash can on our streets? expecially around the ammo dumps Mosques?
Abdul do you have anything to add?
“Yes” It seems our ambulance driversalternative form of regrouping, seems to be compromised, therefor we need something to escapefind our way to the next rendevous site. OUr supply of Hajibs doesn’t hide our weapons that well, perhaps if we had thicker veils that don’t show our beards?
Does anyone have that report on the best depth to dig our bunkers? We also need the report on how to prevent the cursed UAV’s from spotting our fake greenhouses over the tunnels, any suggestions there? “Aziz?” “Perhaps if we had something growing in them rather than plastic plants?”

242 Eowyn2  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:47:10pm

re: #150 3 wood

OT:

Odd day in the market.

So far today the following layoffs have been announced:

Caterpillar 20,000
Sprint 8,000
Phillips 6,000
Home Depot 7,000
Pfizer/Wyeth 19,000
Total 60,000

But, the market is in positive territory at the moment.


Everybody is trying to get their bad news out of the way now so they can have a shot at posting a good couple of quarters at the end of this year.

I wonder how many of these jobs - especially Home Depot, Sprint, and Caterpillar were the normal temporary Holiday season jobs?

Scenario:
If Home Depot has stores in every state (according to their site) as well as in 10 Canadian provinces and there are an average of 20 stores per state/province (there are 20 stores withing 100 miles of Los Angeles and another 20 within 100 miles of San Francisco so that makes up for states like MT which only has 5 or 6) then we can extrapolate that there are approximately 1200 stores. Layoffs average six people per store.

Although I cannot qualify that some of these jobs are full time, permanent employees, my guess is that there are a large number of full-time temporary employees who are being laid off.

243 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:47:17pm

re: #235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Carousel!

Only it will be some acronym.

244 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:47:18pm

re: #236 Peacekeeper

OBAMA 2012 he don’t know from Mayans.


“01-20-13, The End of an Error”

245 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:47:32pm

re: #147 Dustyvet

funny -terrorist car bomb goes wrong- vw commercial

Isn’t making fun of terrorists a human rights violation? VW is in a lot of trouble.

246 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:47:38pm

re: #239 Occasional Reader

247 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:47:45pm

re: #237 MandyManners

$ $ $ $ $

248 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:47:57pm
249 razorbacker  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:47:57pm

re: #213 Occasional Reader

“Nuance. Fresh nuance! Get yer nuance right here. Can’t speak ze French without yer nuance!”

250 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:48:03pm

re: #245 Cato the Elder

Isn’t making fun of terrorists a human rights violation? VW is in a lot of trouble.

It’s not a real VW ad…

251 J.S.  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:48:10pm

re: #228 Occasional Reader

It’s “bitter swill.” (it’s, it’s, like that pill…only bitter-er…which ya gotta swill…)

252 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:48:29pm

re: #205 opnion

I am profoudly confused. Afghanistan is protesting the killing of 16 alleged civilians in a strike. There is shooting near our embassy in Yemen, just reported. I thought that if we just elected Obama that the world would love us.
Where is the love?

The military still gets the MSM treatment. Obama will therefore have “justification” when he decimates it.

253 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:49:10pm

re: #250 Charles

It’s not a real VW ad…

What? And I bought a Jetta cause of that ad.

//

254 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:49:12pm

Who knew Hamas had battlefield commanders? I thought they were all community organizers.

255 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:49:29pm

re: #224 stuiec

I’m ready to start printing the bumper stickers to sell at the 2012 DNC:

“Obama 2012 - He’s Really Starting to Get the Hang of It”

“Obama 2012 - Seems a Shame to Waste All That OJT When It’s Finally Sinking In”

“Obama 2012 - What Are The Chances He’ll Make the Same Mistakes THREE Times?”

0bama 2012 - NYC is almost cleaned up after the last attack.

0bama 2012 - Make him clean up the messes he made

256 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:49:30pm

re: #240 MandyManners

What? Not the NYT?

* * * *
You’re right, they’re competing hard for that market that used to be flush with petrocash and people learning to read.

257 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:49:41pm

re: #238 WriterMom

Most amazing, awesome TRANSPARENT administration EVAH?

You’re not supposed to need a transcript, silly. All of The One’s pronouncements are supposed to be immediately and permanently committed to memory.

258 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:49:47pm

I searched for “Hamas” and got this.

www2.janes.com

259 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:50:31pm
260 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:51:00pm

re: #255 Kosh’s Shadow

0bama 2012 - NYC is almost cleaned up after the last attack.

0bama 2012 - Make him clean up the messes he made

Obama 2012 - Maybe the Mayans were right all along

261 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:51:01pm

The president of the Jewish community in Venezuela on Monday accused Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez of promoting anti-Semitism and giving the phenomenon legitimacy.

www.haaretz.com

I guess somebody ain’t going home?

262 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:51:04pm

I gotta’ go pick up The Kid and that is just as well ‘cause my knickers are in a twist and my BP is up. bbl

263 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:51:04pm

re: #237 MandyManners

Then, why the fuck are they lending legitimacy to a bunch of filthy, fucking, murderous bastards?

How are they doing that? By reporting that they are internally acknowledging that they lost? That they pushed for war in the first place?

It is an AFP article - don’t confuse FrancoArab media distortion with Jane’s.

264 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:51:11pm

OBAMA 2012 NOW more experience!

265 Eowyn2  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:51:15pm

re: #194 alegrias

* * * *
Marketing department, wants to upgrade sales of Jane’s publications to the bad guys.

Maybe Hamas will read a book.

not harldy likely
what is the literacy rate of their foot soldiers?

266 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:51:42pm
267 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:52:06pm

DUDE ALERT!

268 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:52:13pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

Good point. Are all the Sea Kittens ok in the Dead Sea?

Pre-salted lutefisk?

269 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:52:34pm

re: #265 Eowyn2

Probably a little more literate than a foot.

270 opnion  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:52:45pm

It is really sad to witness our new president suffer such amnesia.
During the campaign he made it clear that he would fix everything.
Now he wants a collective effort, so if he fails it is not his fault, it is ours.

271 midwestgak  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:52:48pm

re: #264 Peacekeeper

OBAMA 2012 NOW more experience!

OBAMA 2012 He told us we wouldn’t like his decisions. Truth in office at last.

272 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:53:06pm

re: #263 karmic_inquisitor

How are they doing that? By reporting that they are internally acknowledging that they lost? That they pushed for war in the first place?

It is an AFP article - don’t confuse FrancoArab media distortion with Jane’s.

Jane’s is giving Hamas a voice, is transmitting Hamas’ public relations. To me, they’re acting as tools. Why not just ignore the bastards?

Okay. Gotta’ go for sure now.

273 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:53:46pm

re: #259 taxfreekiller

They are being actively boycotted by all the org. who are mad as hell about them enabling the “wage slaves” aka illegals with the parking lot wage slave pick up deal.

I kinda didn’t want them to go bankrupt because I received a $50 Home Depot gift card for Christmas and I wanted to spend it.

But I’ve apparently accidently thrown away the card, so they can close now.

274 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:53:56pm

Fat dogs seized by RSPCA
The RSPCA has seized two dogs from their owner after she was accused of feeding them too much.

www.telegraph.co.uk

They do look well fed.

275 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:54:32pm
276 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:54:38pm

re: #229 WriterMom

By “strange”, I’m really trying to say delicately that I know those POS antisemites would rather have me dead (boo hoo hoo) than alive and fighting.

Or alive but not converting to whichever alternative to Judaism and Zionism they hold up as their ideal.

The Christians hate us for not accepting Christ.

The Communists hate us for not all joining the Revolution and for supporting the capitalist West over the anti-imperialist resistance states of the East.

The Muslims hate us for not submitting to Islam or at least bowing down to them as our rulers.

The multiculturalists hate us for keeping our culture separate rather than blending it in with all the other flavors.

The pacifists hate us for fighting back against those who try to kill us.

The gays hate us for tolerating our Orthodox members who disapprove of homosexuality… and because they know they can hate us without fear of being murdered by stoning. (I believe that the sign that the new world of the Messiah has arrived will be a Gay Pride Parade in downtown Mecca.)

It’s human nature to feel fear and distrust of the unfamiliar Other. But when the Other becomes familiar, when you offer it membership in your tribe and it refuses and chooses to stay Other, that’s when real hatred starts.

277 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:54:38pm

re: #221 Walter L. Newton

A note on the State Departments website states “where’s Yemen?”
/

Near Yerbouti?

278 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:54:44pm

re: #250 Charles

It’s not a real VW ad…

Ah, silly me! I thought maybe a major European manufacturer had grown a pair.

OT, can you give me any advice this question? I’d like to have a copy of the video on my computer as a reserve…

279 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:55:09pm

re: #267 WriterMom

DUDE ALERT!

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww…gasp…wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

That’s the sweetest story.

280 Texas Heathen  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:55:37pm

re: #244 eschew_obfuscation

“01-20-13, The End of an Error”

I’ll take one of those. Hell make it 3.

281 Outrider  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:56:13pm

re: #272 MandyManners

Jane’s is giving Hamas a voice, is transmitting Hamas’ public relations. To me, they’re acting as tools. Why not just ignore the bastards?

Okay. Gotta’ go for sure now.

Janes is an authoritative voice on military affairs and equipment throughout the world. Failure to publish reports on a combat force, even a pissant one, is doing no one a service. It’s not a question of lending credibility, it is a question of reporting their military capabilities.

282 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:56:17pm

re: #257 Occasional Reader

You’re not supposed to need a transcript, silly. All of The One’s pronouncements are supposed to be immediately and permanently committed to memory.

* * * *
“Staff Finds White House in the Technological Dark Ages”
(WashPost headline day after inauguration, 1/22/09, by A. Kornblut)

right under headline
“Obama Starts Reversing Bush Policies” by M. Shear

(Like POSTING ACTUAL TRANSCRIPTS of White House Press Conferences)

Not that they’ll acknowledge troglodyte Bush posted actual transcripts at Whitehouse.gov

283 brookly red  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:56:21pm

re: #275 buzzsawmonkey

Everybody worries about fat dogs, but nobody does anything about the fat cats.

no, fat cats get bail outs.

284 gmsc  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:56:31pm

re: #260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama 2012 - Maybe the Mayans were right all along

0bama 2012 - He closed Gitmo, now help him search for the real killers

285 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:56:51pm

re: #258 MandyManners

I searched for “Hamas” and got this.

[Link: www2.janes.com…]

From the query results for “Hamas” at Jane’s, here is an example of Jane’s analysis of a past event. Remember when Hamas kidnapped that BBC journalist? And then released him to get EU praise. Here is what the Jane’s analyst reported:

Alan Johnston’s release will have little or no impact on the wider political disputes in the region, Hamas itself said his release was a moral and humanitarian issue. However, should Hamas deliver on its promise to stabilise Gaza, put an end to kidnappings and re-establish law and order (all actions demanded by Israel and the international community and which many observers think they are eminently capable of achieving) then they will present the West with the dilemma of how long to continue to ignore the group.

The undertone of that is that Hamas are criminal goons who can only present the west with a “dilema” if they actually proved competent at running Gaza.

Doesn’t sound like they are promoting Hamas to me.

286 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:57:11pm

SUPREME HAMAS COMMAND

Lessons of War With Zionist Entity Enemy

1. Provoking a country with the second most powerful air force in the world is a bad idea.

2. Provoking a country with the most powerful Army in the region is also a bad idea.

3. Surprise attacks suck. The enemy commanders knew what they are doing.

4, Zionist intelligence was better than we thought, they precisely targeted our weapons and leaders.

5, The people of Gaza are overwhelmed at the scope of Hamas’ victory. Some have spontaneously erected giant monuments to our Glorious Victory made of recently ballistically altered concrete; several of our best fighters have permanently decided to remain under these monuments.

6. We successfully managed to avoid most of the political blowback from our war by shooting anything that looked like opposition or Fateh.

7. Our Arab brothers rallied to our cause. Our dear friends in the Egyptian and Saudi governments were really blaming ISrael when they blamed us for the war.

8. Our brothers in Hezbollah and Iran kept their promise to help us in every way other than anything that might take some of the crushing military force directed against us.

9. Operational planning, tactics and communications need to be upgraded, fighting behind children and women was ineffective. The terror tactics our Iranian masters taught us failed miserably. Its almost like the IDF knew what we were going to do before we did it.

10. We lost many of our best leaders and fighters. Replacing them will take time. At no time were our forces able to inflict any real casualties on the IDF that resulted in the loss of any unit larger than 3 soldiers. All efforts to kidnap soldiers failed.

11. Our only reliable allies are the rabble on the streets of Europe and the halls of the UN and stupidity of Ehud Olmert whose term ends in anther couple months.

Conclusion- we completely defeated the Zionists! Our forces are marching to Tel Aviv as we write this. The heroic Palestinian people all support Hamas and pray for us to use our Islamic insight and Iranian money to keep the happiness happening! Our leaders in Damascus are very brave men who were willing to fight the IDF to last leader and soldier in Gaza. Lastly, next time we really need to kill some Jews.


Now they don’t have to write it they can just use this.

287 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:57:19pm

re: #248 buzzsawmonkey

The Dreyfus case involved a “Jew as individual”—an assimilated Jew who was made the fall-guy for a genuine traitor merely because of his Jewish background.

Back in my French History class in college, the prof mentioned in passing a fairly interesting and not utterly crazy-sounding revisionist history theory, to the effect that Drefus actually volunteered for the role of scapegoat, the whole thing being designed as a counterintelligence operation against Germany, to distract them from the French development of the (their, really) machine-gun. I don’t recall all the details, but part of it had to do with the alleged fact that the technical details of a French gun that Dreyfus allegedly passed as part of his epsionage, were patently incorrect.

288 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:57:48pm

I pointed this out in a thread yesterday and I am still having a hard time believing its true. The new MSN Live Search browser will not acknowledge this website. If you search “Little Green Footballs”, or “LGF” or even “littlegreenfootballs.com” the browser will not display any links to here. It will take you to the stalker site though.

I’ve tried searching all sorts of other blogs of various political persuasions and MSN Live Search returns links directly to that homepage at the top of the search page. Not for Charles’ site though.

Their code has to specifically rule out providing links to here. How pathetic is that.

289 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:57:52pm

Obama 2012 - or we’ll kill your f***ing unicorn

290 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:58:04pm

re: #271 midwestgak

Obama 2012 - Our First lack President.

Half price typo sale.

291 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:59:09pm

re: #236 Peacekeeper

The time to worry is when they start calling for 2016

292 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:59:17pm

re: #289 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama 2012 - or we’ll kill your f***ing unicorn

My Unicorn went AWOL…shoot it on site please…:)

293 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:59:31pm

re: #288 Mich-again

I pointed this out in a thread yesterday and I am still having a hard time believing its true. The new MSN Live Search browser will not acknowledge this website. If you search “Little Green Footballs”, or “LGF” or even “littlegreenfootballs.com” the browser will not display any links to here. It will take you to the stalker site though.

I’ve tried searching all sorts of other blogs of various political persuasions and MSN Live Search returns links directly to that homepage at the top of the search page. Not for Charles’ site though.

Their code has to specifically rule out providing links to here. How pathetic is that.

Maybe that’s why 5000 Microsoft employees got laid off. Bad, bad search engine.
/

294 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:59:44pm
295 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:59:45pm

re: #250 Charles

Ain’t it amazing that people paid out of their own pocket to make it, just to impress VW? It’s a pretty spectacular spec ad.

296 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:00:01pm

re: #267 WriterMom

It was that she could still hear him, too.
Sweet story.
We knew of a friend who had a stroke during her last pregnancy.
After she gave birth and the doctor said, oh, look, it’s her 1st boy!
She opened her eyes and said, let me see him.
True.
She’s still in a wheelchair but plugging away with her 4 girls one boy, all married and giving her grandchildren.

297 jcm  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:00:23pm

Obama took Merrill Lynch’s John Thain to task for redecorating. Even though the money was spent before the bailout.

The designer for Thain was Michael Smith.

Who have the Obama’s hired to redocorate the White House?

Michael Smith.

I know WH redecoration is traditional in a new administration. However Mr. President have you thought about what message a little fiscal responsibility might send to the rest of government?

298 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:00:36pm

re: #272 MandyManners

Jane’s is giving Hamas a voice, is transmitting Hamas’ public relations. To me, they’re acting as tools. Why not just ignore the bastards?

Okay. Gotta’ go for sure now.

I’m really not following you on this one, Mandy. I see nothing to suggest they are either providing help to Hamas (which would be illegal under UK law, I believe), or acting as their PR. They’re factually reporting about something Hamas is doing regarding its military capability; that’s their job.

299 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:01:04pm

re: #291 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

The time to worry is when they start calling for 2016

OBAMA 2016 - The First One Was Just Practice and Doesn’t Count

OBAMA 2016 - The Second One Was a Do-Over

OBAMA 2016 - Eventually He’ll Get The Hang of It

300 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:01:13pm

re: #297 jcm

Obama took Merrill Lynch’s John Thain to task for redecorating. Even though the money was spent before the bailout.

The designer for Thain was Michael Smith.

Who have the Obama’s hired to redocorate the White House?

Michael Smith.

I know WH redecoration is traditional in a new administration. However Mr. President have you thought about what message a little fiscal responsibility might send to the rest of government?



Who needs fiscal responsibility when you have someone else’s money to spend?

301 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:01:13pm

re: #296 mean Gene

Amazing.

302 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:01:30pm

re: #297 jcm

But I thought he LOVED the Oval office rug!
And those drapes.
A dead-on match for Michelle’s Inauguration dress!

303 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:01:38pm

re: #298 Occasional Reader

She was wondering if Jane’s business consulting service was consulting to Hamas to prepare the report.

304 razorbacker  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:02:09pm

Apple Software Makes A Better Sniper

January 26, 2009: Apple computer now has two sniper rifle software applications for the iPhone and iPod Touch (which looks like the iPhone, but is just an iPod with a big screen and wi-fi capability). The BulletFlight software is available at the iPhone software store, and it performs the calculations needed to account for atmospheric conditions (wind, temperature, humidity, altitude and barometric pressure) for long range shooting.

But, but, but…they seemed like such a nice bunch of moonbats!

Heh, heh, heh, I just love the sound of leftish brain implosions. Bless my heart.

305 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:02:13pm

re: #289 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama 2012 - or we’ll kill your f***ing unicorn

OBAMA 2012 - Nice Country You Have Here, Be a Shame If Something Happened to It

306 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:02:15pm

The Obama presidency: I WON (so shut up everyone).

307 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:02:46pm

re: #303 WriterMom

She was wondering if Jane’s business consulting service was consulting to Hamas to prepare the report.

I see nothing, zero, nada, zilch, to suggest that.
If someone has evidence to the contrary, I’d be interested in seeing it.

308 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:02:56pm

re: #297 jcm

Obama took Merrill Lynch’s John Thain to task for redecorating. Even though the money was spent before the bailout.

The designer for Thain was Michael Smith.

Who have the Obama’s hired to redocorate the White House?

Michael Smith.

I know WH redecoration is traditional in a new administration. However Mr. President have you thought about what message a little fiscal responsibility might send to the rest of government?

* * * *
Yeah well, John Thain supported John McCain.

How’s that for bipartisan-designer/backscratching-ship

309 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:03:21pm

Michelle Obama 2016!

/ runs and hides..

310 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:03:34pm

re: #266 Iron Fist

You’re right, but I think 0bama told Israel to be out of Gaza before he’s in office. The Israelis almost said as much when they said they’d be out in time for the inauguration.

What jizzya is Mitchell going to offer Hamas in this trip?

311 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:03:45pm

re: #182 J.S.

I believe yesterday, in Iceland a large crowd gathered and attempted to storm a police building (they also attacked the Prime Minister — prior to his resignation)…(today the crowd was pepper sprayed)…I guess their “dollar” has been cut in half, and many people’s entire savings are now gone (due to the Icelandic banks doing business with or connected with banks in the UK). There’s an economic meeting in Davos, Switzerland, and word has it that the worst-off (in terms of finances) isn’t actually Iceland, but the UK…

Yes - the UK is screwed. The pound will start falling soon. Precipitously.

As for currency devaluation, we won’t be far behind if Obama/Reid/Pelosi blow another Trillion on non-stimulative pork. And when you flood an economy with money, you kick off inflation which is hard to reverse.

312 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:03:53pm

re: #297 jcm

I know WH redecoration is traditional in a new administration. However Mr. President have you thought about what message a little fiscal responsibility might send to the rest of government?

Hey, come on, the marble columns, the dais, the throne…. that all costs money.

313 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:04:21pm

re: #302 mean Gene

But I thought he LOVED the Oval office rug!
And those drapes.
A dead-on match for Michelle’s Inauguration dress!

Image: pdvd_071.jpg

314 gmsc  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:04:29pm

re: #304 razorbacker

Apple Software Makes A Better Sniper

But, but, but…they seemed like such a nice bunch of moonbats!

Heh, heh, heh, I just love the sound of leftish brain implosions. Bless my heart.

Sounds like a killer app!

315 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:04:38pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why Arabs Lose Wars

You deserve a million updings for that link.

316 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:04:41pm

Can’t wait for the USS OBAMA CVN-80

317 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:05:13pm

re: #312 Occasional Reader

Hey, come on, the marble columns, the dais, the throne…. that all costs money.

* * *
Sarah Palin said you could get it at the back lot of Hollywood.

And Free for Celestial Celebrities.

318 gmsc  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:05:37pm

re: #316 Peacekeeper

Can’t wait for the USS OBAMA CVN-80

…as it sinks on its first time out of port.

319 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:05:40pm

re: #316 Peacekeeper

Can’t wait for the USS OBAMA CVN-80

It sinks itself at the first sign of attack…

320 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:06:18pm

re: #315 Alouette

You deserve a million updings for that link.

Just give me a up ding on every comment I post and it should be good to go.

321 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:07:06pm

re: #318 gmsc

…as it sinks on its first time out of port.

Like the Vasa?

(A must-see in Stockholm)

322 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:07:09pm

re: #318 gmsc

re: #319 Dustyvet

3 seconds apart

323 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:07:11pm

USS OBAMA powered by a combination of solar panels, wind turbines and Willy Nelson Bio-diesel.

324 jorline  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:07:48pm

re: #316 Peacekeeper

Can’t wait for the USS OBAMA CVN-80

It won’t have any defense systems.

325 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:08:09pm

Top 4 myths of the Israeli-Palestine conflict

rkdpolitics.blogspot.com

A quick read

326 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:08:12pm
327 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:08:14pm

re: #323 Peacekeeper

USS OBAMA powered by a combination of solar panels, wind turbines and Willy Nelson Bio-diesel.

With an air wing of 90 unicorns.

328 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:08:22pm

re: #323 Peacekeeper

USS OBAMA powered by a combination of solar panels, wind turbines and Willy Nelson Bio-diesel.

* * **
Only if approved by the Admiral of Chappaquidick.

(NOT likely right now after the sinking of the USS Caroline)

329 jcm  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:08:23pm

re: #288 Mich-again

I pointed this out in a thread yesterday and I am still having a hard time believing its true. The new MSN Live Search browser will not acknowledge this website. If you search “Little Green Footballs”, or “LGF” or even “littlegreenfootballs.com” the browser will not display any links to here. It will take you to the stalker site though.

I’ve tried searching all sorts of other blogs of various political persuasions and MSN Live Search returns links directly to that homepage at the top of the search page. Not for Charles’ site though.

Their code has to specifically rule out providing links to here. How pathetic is that.

Search parameter Littlegreenfootballs.
1. Little Green Footballs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2. little green footballs - carpet cleaner
3. LGF Watch
…
19. Littlegreenfootballs (the real LGF)

Search parameter Little green footballs.
1. Little Green Footballs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2. LGF Dictionary
3. Little Green Footballs on Technorati
4. Charles Foster Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
…
not in the top 100.

330 gmsc  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:08:30pm

From Ace: Grim Milestone Alert: Biden Predicts “Uptick” in US Combat Casualties as Coalition “Surge” Fights to Win in Afghanistan

Hmmm…. actually taking an aggressive military step, necessarily engaging the enemy more frequently and more intensely, might increase casualties for a period of time, before greatly reducing them through victory.

Funny that Biden didn’t explain this to Obama during the campaign, when Bush proposed the Surge that won Iraq.

331 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:08:59pm
332 Sunlight  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:09:02pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why Arabs Lose Wars

This description needs to be read by Atlas. It relates directly to the “anti-jihad” political effort she is pushing. Because when you get right down to it, the people she wants to associate with are highly effective (the Euro nazis) and the “jihadis” are less so (until they get a bomb, but she isn’t focussed on that, but on supremacist approaches in Europe). This next decade will be very interesting (and potentially so sad) in Europe. Atlas need to not bring shame to the Jewish people by mixing in with people who really aren’t our friends. The Euros are very good at hiding and disguising their endless slime of the soul where it comes to Jews. That’s why the videos showing these folks in the comfortable milieu of their friends are ever so instructive. And Geert… is he following Atlas and Robert Spencer away from his previously straighter path?

333 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:09:06pm

re: #322 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #319 Dustyvet

3 seconds apart

Yup…:)

334 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:09:08pm

re: #324 jorline

It won’t have any defense systems.

It will be the same size as a Nimitz-class supercarrier, but all that space will be devoted to conference rooms, for sitting down and talking without preconditions.

335 gmsc  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:09:25pm

re: #322 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #319 Dustyvet

3 seconds apart

It takes that long to tab over and click “post this comment”.

336 Marvo76  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:09:49pm

re: #307 Occasional Reader

From what I remember of Jane’s weekly back in the Navy days, they seem to have pretty good “resources” which allow them quite a bit of factual info, which was remarkable in the late 70’s how much they could get on Societ stuff…So why not Hammas as well?

337 jorline  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:09:54pm

re: #331 taxfreekiller

Obama,

1. mirrors
2. me
3. myself
4. I
5. mine
6. yours is mine
7. your stuff is my stuff
8. its about me
9. my words
10. only my words

11. I won

338 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:10:17pm

re: #335 gmsc

It takes that long to tab over and click “post this comment”.

And I’m a senior citizen…:)

339 brookly red  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:10:32pm

re: #324 jorline

It won’t have any defense systems.

or crew.

340 CIA Reject  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:10:39pm

re: #316 Peacekeeper

re: #318 gmsc

re: #319 Dustyvet

re: #323 Peacekeeper

re: #324 jorline

USS Obama was cancelled….

341 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:10:44pm

re: #330 gmsc

before greatly reducing them through victory.

“Victor…” what? What’s that funny word? Is that Latin or something?

/LLL

342 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:11:06pm

Nigerian Police Hold Goat - For Car Theft

sweetness-light.com

So next time you get an E-Mail from Nigeria……

343 so.cal.swede  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:11:34pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why Arabs Lose Wars

Everyone should read this article. Very interesting.

344 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:12:05pm

re: #334 Occasional Reader

It will be the same size as a Nimitz-class supercarrier, but all that space will be devoted to conference rooms, for sitting down and talking without preconditions.

Then there’s the USS CLINTON with all those mirrored hangar ceilings.

345 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:12:32pm

re: #342 Nevergiveup

Nigerian Police Hold Goat - For Car Theft

[Link: sweetness-light.com…]

So next time you get an E-Mail from Nigeria……

FREE THE GOAT

THE GOAT IS INNOCENT

NONE OF US ARE FREE IF ANY GOAT’S IN CHAINS

346 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:13:07pm

re: #342 Nevergiveup

Nigerian Police Hold Goat - For Car Theft

[Link: sweetness-light.com…]

So next time you get an E-Mail from Nigeria……

Email-sending goats? Now that’s some sophisticated bioengineering!

(No wonder they don’t like genetically modified anything).

347 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:13:07pm

re: #344 Peacekeeper

Then there’s the USS CLINTON with all those mirrored hangar ceilings.

Yeah, baby, yeah, yeah!

348 jorline  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:13:27pm

re: #334 Occasional Reader

It will be the same size as a Nimitz-class supercarrier, but all that space will be devoted to conference rooms, for sitting down and talking without preconditions.

lol…maybe it will become a floating Palestinian State.

349 looking closely  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:13:42pm

I’m disappointed that Israel didn’t take the final step of going after (eg capturing or killing) the HAMAS leadership it knew was holed up in the basement under Gaza City’s hospital.

Why let them get away?

Makes no sense to me, particularly given that Gilad Shalit hasn’t been released yet.

350 iam7545  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:13:43pm

I think Hamas should hire Gen Wesley Clark as a Military consultant. They can find him under Zeros bus.

351 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:13:53pm

re: #342 Nevergiveup

Nigerian Police Hold Goat - For Car Theft

[Link: sweetness-light.com…]

So next time you get an E-Mail from Nigeria……

Named “scape?”

352 J.S.  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:14:20pm

re: #331 taxfreekiller

and,

11) I One (and/or Won)

353 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:15:04pm

re: #321 Occasional Reader

Like the Vasa?

(A must-see in Stockholm)

So they gave the Stockholm harbor a Vasa-ectomy?

354 3 wood  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:15:15pm

re: #242

Eowyn2

I wonder how many of these jobs - especially Home Depot, Sprint, and Caterpillar were the normal temporary Holiday season jobs?

Scenario:
If Home Depot has stores in every state (according to their site) as well as in 10 Canadian provinces and there are an average of 20 stores per state/province (there are 20 stores withing 100 miles of Los Angeles and another 20 within 100 miles of San Francisco so that makes up for states like MT which only has 5 or 6) then we can extrapolate that there are approximately 1200 stores. Layoffs average six people per store.

Although I cannot qualify that some of these jobs are full time, permanent employees, my guess is that there are a large number of full-time temporary employees who are being laid off.

I don’t know.

the bigger point, above a lot of people being out of work, is that most corporations are now doing general house cleaning and reorganizing that they have been putting of for some time now.

That should also cut cost, raise productivity, and make it easier and easier for positive numbers to be generated.

355 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:15:49pm
356 kcladderman  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:15:51pm

re: #344 Peacekeeper

Then there’s the USS CLINTON with all those mirrored hangar ceilings.

If the ship is a rocking don’t come knocking

357 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:16:36pm

re: #349 looking closely

Maybe it was very likely Hamas would have gone down fighting, blown up the hospital, killing hundreds of people?

If it were me, I would have chosen to anyway, weighing the future lives saved over the lives lost that day.

358 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:17:24pm

re: #356 kcladderman

If the ship is a rocking don’t come knocking

Escort ships USS CIALIS and USS LEVITRA

359 jorline  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:17:44pm

re: #355 Iron Fist

Load ‘em all up,and take it to the deep part of the Pacific…There is potential in this thought…

Think we should float it past the current administration?

360 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:17:59pm

re: #353 stuiec

So they gave the Stockholm harbor a Vasa-ectomy?

I think the failure of the Vasa is part of the reason that Sweden didn’t exactly build an overseas empire.

(Meanwhile, in an alternate universe at this very moment, the US is debating building a fence to keep out Swedish-speaking Mexican illegal immigrants…)

361 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:18:34pm

re: #354 3 wood

A lot of folks can fold their bets and blame it on the economy I guess.

362 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:19:40pm

re: #242 Eowyn2

I wonder how many of these jobs - especially Home Depot, Sprint, and Caterpillar were the normal temporary Holiday season jobs?

Bulldozers under the tree? Front-loaders as stocking stuffers?

363 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:19:43pm

re: #358 Peacekeeper

Escort ships USS CIALIS and USS LEVITRA

Captain of USS Clinton to his XO: “What the hell are all those vehicles doing on deck?!”

XO [puzzled]: “But Captain, you said we’d be going through lots of Hummers on this tour.”

364 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:19:51pm

re: #360 Occasional Reader

I think the failure of the Vasa is part of the reason that Sweden didn’t exactly build an overseas empire.

(Meanwhile, in an alternate universe at this very moment, the US is debating building a fence to keep out Swedish-speaking Mexican illegal immigrants…)

For most of the twentieth century they lead the world in porn technology.

365 saberry0530  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:20:12pm

re: #324 jorline

It won’t have any defense systems.

Just a bunch of loudspeakers to drown out its short comings!

366 Marvo76  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:20:20pm

re: #318 gmsc

Or Like the first USS Iwo Jima did, become two different hull numbers do to a slide rule jockey miscalculating the weight of the island structure LOL

367 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:20:31pm

The Great Glick:

Defending Freedom’s Defenders

MUST READ.

368 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:20:34pm

re: #362 stuiec

Bulldozers under the tree? Front-loaders as stocking stuffers?

What do you give at your house?

369 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:20:53pm

re: #358 Peacekeeper

Escort ships USS CIALIS and USS LEVITRA

To raise morale and prop up the war effort.

370 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:20:59pm

re: #350 iam7545

I think Hamas should hire Gen Wesley Clark as a Military consultant. They can find him under Zeros bus.

* * *
Wesley Clark is a protege of the Clintons, as such he will be in Hillary’s camp.

371 LGoPs  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:21:12pm

re: #344 Peacekeeper

Then there’s the USS CLINTON with all those mirrored hangar ceilings.

No, the Clinton should more appropriately be a submarine. Cigar shaped and filled with seamen…..
/

372 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:21:47pm

re: #367 WriterMom


MUST READ.

You can’t make me, Mom.

[pouts]

373 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:21:58pm

re: #371 LGoPs

No, the Clinton should more appropriately be a submarine. Cigar shaped and filled with seamen…..
/

HEY!

:-)

374 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:22:03pm
375 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:22:31pm

re: #371 LGoPs

No, the Clinton should more appropriately be a submarine. Cigar shaped and filled with seamen…..
/

That sucks!
/

376 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:22:41pm

re: #320 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’ll ding ya. I like your style…

377 jorline  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:22:47pm

re: #371 LGoPs

No, the Clinton should more appropriately be a submarine. Cigar shaped and filled with seamen…..
/

lol…up periscope.

378 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:22:55pm

re: #372 Occasional Reader

Read it, or I’ll spank you.

379 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:23:11pm

re: #368 Silhouette

What do you give at your house?

We celebrate Hanukkah, so I have no idea whether heavy earthmoving equipment is a traditional Yuletide gift. Heck, I don’t even know which is the earthmover anniversary — before or after the golden one?

380 LGoPs  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:23:13pm

re: #373 subsailor68

HEY!

:-)


Sorry sub….just kidding….
:)

381 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:23:25pm

re: #378 WriterMom

Read it, or I’ll spank you.

Mixed messages. Do you want him to read it, or not?

382 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:23:33pm

re: #323 Peacekeeper

You mean fart powered?

383 Outrider  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:23:39pm

re: #334 Occasional Reader

It will be the same size as a Nimitz-class supercarrier, but all that space will be devoted to conference rooms, for sitting down and talking without preconditions.

but on the other hand it will be hard to get intell on it because it will release no information on its own. But, it will look good on the beach.

384 Texas Heathen  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:23:42pm

re: #358 Peacekeeper

Escort ships USS CIALIS and USS LEVITRA

ROTFLMAO

385 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:24:05pm

re: #381 Silhouette

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHH good one. I’ll never tell…

386 stuiec  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:24:06pm

re: #378 WriterMom

Read it, or I’ll spank you.

Oh, now he DEFINITELY won’t read it.

387 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:24:29pm

re: #380 LGoPs

Sorry sub….just kidding….
:)

LOL! And really, really funny!

388 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:24:34pm

re: #378 WriterMom

Read it, or I’ll spank you.

Oh, now ya done it!

He’ll never read it now….

389 Texas Heathen  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:25:06pm

re: #363 Occasional Reader

ohhh that was sooo bad…LMAO

390 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:25:23pm

re: #379 stuiec

We celebrate Hanukkah, so I have no idea whether heavy earthmoving equipment is a traditional Yuletide gift. Heck, I don’t even know which is the earthmover anniversary — before or after the golden one?

They are all the Chocolate anniversary.

391 Marvo76  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:25:25pm

re: #371 LGoPs

No, the Clinton should more appropriately be a submarine. Cigar shaped and filled with seamen…..
/


and constantly going down….

392 z9z99  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:25:27pm

If I may be cynical, I doubt that this “probe” is part of any serious Hamas quality control program. I suspect that its purpose is support the “Israel didn’t win, we lost” blather that is so common upon sore losers of all forms. It is to keep viable the illusion that the only people that can stop Hamas is Hamas, but that they’ll straighten out the problem.

In my opinion, the whole show resulted from the Iranians wanting to expand upon the results of the 2006 Israel Hizb’allah war, to show that Israel had two Iranian backed militias on its borders that it could not defeat. The problem was that Israel learned from its Lebanon experience and the Iranians did not. The Iranians counted on a reprise of the tactics that succeeded for Hizb’allah: urban ambushes, secure communications, deploying among civilians, etc., but forgot to consider whether the Israelis figured out how to deal with such tactics.

So now we’ll get a big production complete with western apologists sympathizing with the fact that Hamas is distraught over its failure to protect its innocent civilians from the genocidal activities of the Zionists. In short, same song, different verse.

393 3 wood  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:25:27pm

The banks are selling off some of the toxic assets:

Banks Sell Bad Residential Project Debt, DebtX Says

Jan. 26 (Bloomberg) — Banks are selling troubled loans on land and residential construction debt at a faster pace as property prices plummet, according to Debt Exchange Inc. Chief Executive Officer Kingsley Greenland.

Banks and other sellers used the Boston-based company’s online marketplace to dispose of more than $1 billion of U.S. debt last quarter, triple the amount from a year earlier, including “hundreds of millions” of dollars of land loans and housing construction and development debt, Greenland said. Buyers pay at least 50 percent less than the face amount, he said.

“These are the toxic assets on banks’ balance sheets,” Greenland, whose company is known as DebtX, said in a telephone interview. “And there’s definitely a market for them. The price is another story.”

394 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:25:37pm

I know this sounds cruel, but Israel should have considered going “Dresden” in gaza. Could the phony anti-Israel outrage around the world have been any worse than it already was? And would Israel not have sent a better message to its enemies? Knowing that they were going to pull back before Obama was inaugurated, why didn’t they open a can of “Dresden whoop ass” while Dubya was still in power? I expect Bibi Netanyahu to win the election, and there will surely be tension between he and BHO, so I think his hands will be tied somewhat. Olmert and Livni once again blew a good chance.

395 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:25:43pm

Pettitte, Yanks agree on 1 year, $5.5M

sports.espn.go.com

How did this genius manage to negotiate his way down from 10 million guaranteed to 5.5?

396 debutaunt  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:25:56pm

re: #372 Occasional Reader

You can’t make me, Mom.

[pouts]

An icicle break your glasses again?

397 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:26:09pm

re: #358 Peacekeeper

Definitely Democrat enterprises.

398 LGoPs  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:26:15pm

Censored myself on a USS Teddy Kennedy………..

399 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:26:38pm

re: #375 Nevergiveup

That sucks!
/

Emergency blow! /

400 Outrider  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:26:56pm

re: #362 stuiec

Bulldozers under the tree? Front-loaders as stocking stuffers?

works for me!

401 LGoPs  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:27:25pm

re: #391 Marvo76

and constantly going down….

No, that would be the USS Lewinsky……
:)

402 looking closely  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:27:29pm

re: #357 Silhouette

Maybe it was very likely Hamas would have gone down fighting, blown up the hospital, killing hundreds of people?

If it were me, I would have chosen to anyway, weighing the future lives saved over the lives lost that day.

If the HAMAS leadership weren’t afraid to die, they wouldn’t have holed themselves up in the basement of the hospital to begin with. So I strongly doubt they would have tried anything so rash as blowing up the entire hospital.

PR issues probably had something to do with it; though I agree, whatever those issues, Israel squandered a big opportunity here, I think.

403 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:28:41pm

re: #393 3 wood

* * * *
Meanwhile, huge tracts of subsidized housing in PRIME real estate areas, 6 miles from the Nation’s Capital, is kept afloat as “affordable housing” under for example, Alexandria Virginia’s MASTER PLAN.

404 iam7545  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:30:16pm

re: #370 alegrias

Clark has been very scarce since slandering McCain. I didnt know Billary had a camp anymore.

405 Marvo76  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:30:20pm

re: #394 _RememberTonyC

Someone posted an article a few weeks ago about the Israeli sense of humanitarianism, they specificly try NOT to hurt innocents in their war, having been the victim of so many attacks against their innocents…

406 Marvo76  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:31:29pm

re: #401 LGoPs

I was thinking it’s niickname would the “the Hillary” but the lewinsky would be a sister ship…

407 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:31:48pm

Geraldo is making a fool of himself on FOX?

408 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:31:50pm

I know there are a few doctors and nutritionists here.
So, what’s wrong with this picture?
In the UK the NHS is taking meat off the menu in all hospitals to aid in their carbon offset rate.
Doesn’t that interfere with healing?
Won’t it contribute to higher diabetes rates?
I mean, a vegetarian diet is fine in and of itself, but there’s a time and place for lean meat when you’re sick, right?

409 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:32:29pm

OOPS!
Forgot the link to that UK NHS story.
Here it is:
www.guardian.co.uk

410 Marvo76  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:32:38pm

re: #407 Nevergiveup

and this is news …why? LOL

411 so.cal.swede  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:33:16pm

re: #406 Marvo76

I was thinking it’s niickname would the “the Hillary” but the lewinsky would be a sister ship…

Bunker boat .. except the fluids flow reverse, and taste different.

412 LGoPs  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:33:47pm

re: #406 Marvo76

I was thinking it’s niickname would the “the Hillary” but the lewinsky would be a sister ship…

I can’t resist……..

The Lewinsky would be a ‘Swallow’ class submarine……..

*no self control whatsoever*…….

413 tackle  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:33:58pm

re: #407 Nevergiveup

He’s lost his mind.

414 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:34:20pm

On the first day of Christmas, my true love gave to me…

A Large Track Loader 963D

415 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:34:30pm

re: #412 LGoPs

The Lewinsky would be a ‘Swallow’ class submarine……..

Or a tramp steamer?

416 Marvo76  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:34:36pm

I costs money to buy meat, and the feed grains which contribute to global warming when those same grains could be used for people food, plus the colesterol issues… commmon Gene LOL this is an “enlightened society” ///

417 opnion  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:35:15pm

re: #407 Nevergiveup

Geraldo is making a fool of himself on FOX?

If he is on Fox, then he is making a fool of himself on fox.

418 Marvo76  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:35:26pm

re: #412 LGoPs

I can’t resist……..

The Lewinsky would be a ‘Swallow’ class submarine……..

*no self control whatsoever*…….

Seaman go spit shine that deck!

419 tackle  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:35:26pm

re: #409 mean Gene

This may be less about carbon credits and more about trying to save money in a bankrupt system.

420 jorline  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:36:37pm

Gunmen Open Fire Outside U.S. Embassy in Yemen

Intell predicted this would happen just hours ago.

421 itellu3times  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:37:12pm

Attacking someone 10x or 100x stronger than you, is seldom a good decision. If they defenestrate everyone in Gaza too stupid to follow this rule, they will have instant peace.

422 BBev  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:37:15pm

re: #412 LGoPs

I can’t resist……..

The Lewinsky would be a ‘Swallow’ class submarine……..

*no self control whatsoever*…….

Would that be cigar shaped?

as I run and hide

423 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:37:26pm

re: #404 iam7545

Clark has been very scarce since slandering McCain. I didnt know Billary had a camp anymore.

* * *
Who were all those screaming Hillary fans at State Dept then?

424 JustABill  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:37:31pm

re: #149 karmic_inquisitor

Jane’s is a publication that rates the defensive capability of different nations and of different weapons systems.

Jane’s Defense Weekly. I recall a conversation with one of those folks selling mass magazine subscriptions. He had a fairly lengthy list of mags available. I asked him about JDW and he said “Sure, Jane’s is right here”. I looked and it was under the fashion heading or something similar. Needless to say, he didn’t sell me any magazines…

425 LGoPs  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:38:28pm

re: #422 BBev

Would that be cigar shaped?

as I run and hide

yes…….See my #371……

426 jorline  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:38:41pm

re: #412 LGoPs

I can’t resist……..

The Lewinsky would be a ‘Swallow’ class submarine……..

*no self control whatsoever*…….

following your lead…seamen on sea of blue.

427 Kenneth  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:40:33pm

Buying Time by Shmuel Rosner
Why George Mitchell is the perfect envoy not to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Even if Mitchell can somehow overcome each side’s inertia, his achievement or failure will not be determined by new road maps or modified Obama parameters. Mitchell’s success will be determined by the ability of the Obama administration to engage Iran effectively, and by its ability to turn the regional tide. As long as those forces working to destabilize the Middle East—Hezbollah, Hamas, and their enablers—control the pace of events and inspire the Arab masses, it is very hard to envision a “road map” that will take this track to its final destination.

Thus, the appointment of the patient, distinguished Mitchell is playing for time: As he works to create the conditions for peace, his other colleagues will be tasked with the more daunting mission. This is the “linkage theory” turned upside-down: The real difference between the original linkage (that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the key to the region) and the second (that the region is the key to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict) is that the latter has a much better chance of actually leading to peace in the Middle East. Iran, after all, is a source of instability across the region, funding terrorist groups in Gaza, Iraq, and Lebanon, and propping up the Syrian regime. Mitchell’s portfolio does not include negotiations with Iran; but the outcome of those talks will be the most significant factor in accomplishing his mission.

428 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:40:41pm

re: #420 jorline

Gunmen Open Fire Outside U.S. Embassy in Yemen

Intell predicted this would happen just hours ago.

“No one injured”… good, except I’d have preferred the gunmen to have been injured, of course.

I have to say, when the started re-designing US embassies for improved security in the 90s, they did a good job. Typical attack on a US embassy in recent years involves, unfortunately, lots of passers-by getting killed or wounded by the bomb and/or gunfire, but the embassy itself remaining unscathed.

429 BBev  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:40:48pm

re: #425 LGoPs

yes…….See my #371……

Sorry about that, I guess we think alike, we have sick minds :-)

430 alegrias  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:40:50pm

re: #408 mean Gene

I know there are a few doctors and nutritionists here.
So, what’s wrong with this picture?
In the UK the NHS is taking meat off the menu in all hospitals to aid in their carbon offset rate.
Doesn’t that interfere with healing?
Won’t it contribute to higher diabetes rates?
I mean, a vegetarian diet is fine in and of itself, but there’s a time and place for lean meat when you’re sick, right?

* * *
Protein complementarity means beans & grain together give you good protein, cheaper than meat.

Sorry, tofu & rice for you. Or hummus & pita bread.

431 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:44:46pm

re: #430 alegrias

* * *
Protein complementarity means beans & grain together give you good protein, cheaper than meat.

Sorry, tofu & rice for you. Or hummus & pita bread.

That’s only true if citrus is added.
Mexican homes always add lime to their beans and rice.
If they didn’t it would not become the needed proteins to replace meat in their diet.
That’s not as well known as it should be.

432 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:47:59pm

re: #329 jcm

19. Littlegreenfootballs (the real LGF)

And even that is a link to a year-old thread, not the homepage.

433 JustABill  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:50:52pm

re: #398 LGoPs

Censored myself on a USS Teddy Kennedy………..

It would have to be a submarine, all female crew, all screen doors…

434 Cognito  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:54:21pm
Hamas has launched a probe which is expected to be extremely critical of the failures of its military wing during the recent Gaza offensive…

That could take a minute.

435 the1sgjohns  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:54:38pm

re: #416 Marvo76

Actually the grains used to feed the cows are not eatable by humans so we are saving nothing. Check out KING CORN movie it explains it well.

436 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:55:52pm
Hamas has launched a probe which is expected to be extremely critical of the failures of its military wing during the recent Gaza offensive

FROM: Abu Nahallra, First Lt., “Fighting Anklebiters” Division
TO: HAMAS HIGH COMMAND [SUB-HOSPITAL BUNKER HQ]
RE: THIS SUCKS
*******************************
Allah be praised STOP I hope this telegram finds you well STOP It sure was fun seeing everyone at the ice cream social STOP By the way there is a WAR on STOP Shaking fists and running in opposition direction no longer good strategy STOP Anti-Zionist Rocket Martyrdom Crews report whistling noises followed by spontaneous decapitation STOP Perhaps smuggling tunnels should have been devoted more towards weapons and less towards smuggling in kiddie porn STOP Zionists suddenly don’t seem to care what France thinks STOP Former President Abu Nadja “Jimmy Carter” Hussein remains ineffectual on international stage STOP Groups of children I hide in now throwing rocks at me instead of Zionists STOP Wish you were here STOP What is that whistling noi-

437 Age Of Freedom  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:56:26pm

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

I’m confused, this looks like the EU is blaming Hamas. What am i missing?

AFP is putting “Terrorists” in quotes, as if it’s a mere point of view, when they aren’t necessarily terrorists.

That’s why AFP sucks ass.

438 the1sgjohns  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:57:54pm

re: #431 mean Gene

Turns out that lime juice is essential in releasing the nutrients in the foods you listed. I was amazed that something the Mexicans or Latino ancestors were doing for hundreds it not thousands of years was actually necessary and not just tasty.

439 USBeast  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 1:58:20pm

At the beginning of the Six Day War, my father told me: “Those stinkin’ Arabs don’t have a chance.” I asked him how he knew. He replied: “They don’t maintain their equipment. If somethings breaks down it’s “God’s Will”.

His service in the Navy during WWII left with two verbal quirks. He never used the word “Arab” without preceding it with word “stinkin’” and he never used the word “regulation” without preceding it with the word “horses**t”.

440 the1sgjohns  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 2:00:44pm

re: #439 USBeast

apparently during my visits to the sand box on the hill (AF) the Arabs didn’t learn a thing about hygiene since your dad’s visit in WWII. :)

441 Marvo76  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 2:01:59pm

re: #435 the1sgjohns

I musta forgot my sarc tag LOL

442 USBeast  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 2:02:21pm

re: #440 the1sgjohns

apparently during my visits to the sand box on the hill (AF) the Arabs didn’t learn a thing about hygiene since your dad’s visit in WWII. :)

And regulations…?

443 tjseagrove  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 2:04:43pm

So, Hamas admits they lost. Did anyone inform:

MSNBC
CNN
New York Times
Los Angeles Times
The CouricBroadcastingSystem
The View
etc
etc
etc

444 Marvo76  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 2:05:21pm

re: #440 the1sgjohns

Whle at boot in Great lakes, teh Iranians were still allies, and they had a whole division to themselves. When they went thru, the entire place had to be fumigated due to the mass of lice and other vermin they brought with them…

445 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 2:13:01pm
446 yochanan  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 2:15:07pm

re: #17 bulwrk

Hamas has launched a probe which is expected to be extremely critical of the failures of its military wing during the recent Gaza offensive

Hopefully followed by a circular firing squad.

IS THAT ANYTHING LIKE THE PERFECT CONS. CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD?

447 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 2:17:46pm

re: #405 Marvo76

Someone posted an article a few weeks ago about the Israeli sense of humanitarianism, they specificly try NOT to hurt innocents in their war, having been the victim of so many attacks against their innocents…


And I do admire them for that. But what has their kindness gotten them? I suppose they are better people than I am. Their restraint is admirable, but I just hope it doesn’t cost them their future.

448 UberInfidel67  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 2:31:05pm

re: #181 lawhawk The EU spends most of its free time “importing terrorists”. And, if we cannot prove they pose no threat, what do we do with them? These are the people that want the place closed with no alternatives. They are all just hoping and praying that we have to release them into the US so we can suck as bad as those countries do. Screw it. Keep the place open. If the EU doesn’t want to be part of a solution, then they can remain part of the problem.

449 Outrider  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 2:42:30pm

re: #447 _RememberTonyC

And I do admire them for that. But what has their kindness gotten them? I suppose they are better people than I am. Their restraint is admirable, but I just hope it doesn’t cost them their future.

Hasn’t so far and I seriously doubt it will in the future. Like us, the Israelis take the high road and follow the Laws of Land Warfare and the Geneva convention and their own moral convictions. Fighting as the enemy does only makes you a clone of them-no better.

450 offendi  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 4:42:45pm

The answer is clear. Teach Blago some arabic, give him a headress, and send him over to Gaza. He got over on Obama, Pelosi, and Reid pretty easily so Hamas leaders will be no problem. And he will need a new job soon.

Plus you will get peace for a “price”.

451 Dekar  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 5:42:21pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why Arabs Lose Wars

I loved this line:

The presumed close U.S.-Israel relationship, thought to be operative at all levels, aggravates and complicates this penchant for secrecy. Arabs believe that the most mundane details about them are somehow transmitted to the Mossad via a secret hotline.This explains why a U.S. advisor with Arab forces is likely to be asked early and often about his opinion of the “Palestine problem,” then subjected to monologues on the presumed Jewish domination of the United States.

Arabs in power are scared shitless of the Mossad haha


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