Totten: The Mother of All Quagmires

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Michael J. Totten points out some simple realities about the intractable Arab-Israel conflict that most of the world spends an enormous amount of energy ignoring: The Mother of All Quagmires.

The problem here isn’t just with the worst of the violent rejectionists. Even the moderates on each side remain too far apart.

Fatah Party leader Mahmoud Abbas is clearly more moderate and reasonable than the leaders of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, but even he can’t compromise on the “right of return,” the so-far non-negotiable demand that all Palestinian refugees and their descendants from the 1948 war be allowed to return to settle in Israel. Israel would become an Arab-majority country if that were to happen, and most of the would-be arrivals have been radicalized in politically toxic refugee camps. The “right of return” would ignite a civil war worse than Lebanon’s.

Listen to Ran Cohen, Member of the Knesset for the left-wing Meretz Party and former leader of the Left Camp of Israel peace movement. “Even I refuse the right of return,” he said. “It’s impossible. It’s the opposite of a solution. Abu Mazen [Mahmoud Abbas] and the others know our position on the right of return. Who are they going [to] negotiate this with? Not me, not Meretz, not Peace Now. Who? The Communist Party? Not even the radical left supports this.”

Palestinian right-of-returners aren’t the only ones to contend with. “We cannot look at Israel-Syrian talks or Israeli-Palestinian talks without looking at how Iran influences these talks,” said an Israeli intelligence officer who asked not to be named. “Iran has its fingers all over these talks. The situation is much more difficult now than it was in 2000.”

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783 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:39:45am

I am a Middle East peace skeptic.

2 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:40:36am

You cannot make peace with someone who does not have peace among his goals.

3 Rob with a mind  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:40:46am

The Israelis seem to be making good decisions lately! Lets help them and step back.

4 Kragar  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:41:04am

Well surely if the Israeli's just return to the 1967 borders, everything will be right as rain.

/

5 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:41:53am

Meanwhile, Tom Friedman, who used to actually do real reporting from the Middle East and made note of the Hama rules, now actively shills for the Saudis and claims that the solution lies in a 5-state solution, which completely ignores all the points Totten makes cogently in his piece. It's more of what I've been saying for years. The diplomats engage in pseudorealism to make the facts fit their preconceived notions of what the outcome should be; when the fact disproves the notion (see attacks, kassam, et al.) they are ignored or minimized by the concerned diplomats who would rather see more rockets fall than have the "process" disrupted.

Meanwhile, it is further curious that Obama would lend his personal prestige to the Palestinian-Israel conflict so early in the first term. That's usually the refuge of lame duck Administrations who go for legacy building knowing that everything else has failed prior to their own attempts. Obama is going to hamstring his foreign policy from day 1 by tying in to the non-starter of trying to wring a hudna out of Hamas (which everyone will coveniently call a ceasefire, but which requires Israel to cease, while Hamas fires).

6 opnion  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:41:54am

The right of return is something that the Palestinian leadership knows could never be accepted by Israel. Fatah placates the masses & Hamas just wants to agitate.

7 Shug  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:41:56am
far too many Palestinians still won’t recognize Israel's right to exist even in its 1948 borders. Hamas doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist inside any borders at all.

The “occupation” doesn’t refer to the West Bank and Gaza, and it never has. The “occupation” refers to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.


Not much Israel can do when these are the beliefs of it's enemies

8 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:42:05am
9 Boolz  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:42:06am

not to worry...the President of Hope and Change will soon start negotiating. For both sides.

10 maddogg  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:42:39am

Its only a quagmire because nobody wants to admit that the only solution to the problem is for one group or the other to be utterly defeated and dispersed. The Palis will settle for no other solution. It takes two to make an agreement, and unless the Israelis agree to go into the night, there will be no solution.

11 Cognito  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:43:27am
“We cannot look at Israel-Syrian talks or Israeli-Palestinian talks without looking at how Iran influences these talks,” said an Israeli intelligence officer who asked not to be named. “Iran has its fingers all over these talks. The situation is much more difficult now than it was in 2000.”

Depressing.

12 Kragar  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:43:37am

re: #6 opnion

The right of return is something that the Palestinian leadership knows could never be accepted by Israel. Fatah placates the masses & Hamas just wants to agitate.

Its a tool they exploit to keep up their victim status.

13 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:43:43am

NOTE!

I'm going to need to restart the MySQL server, so we'll be offline for a few minutes. Don't panic. We'll be right back.

14 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:44:12am
15 dentate  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:44:35am

re: #8 buzzsawmonkey

Superbly clear-headed, and therefore slated to be ignored by the Administration.

"Clear-headed"--it would fit right in with BHO's first day on the job order for transparency!

16 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:44:57am

This is far too complicated of a fact piece for leftists to swallow. It's amazing how trivial it is, yet it's so far fetched for the "world community".

17 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:45:20am

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am a Middle East peace skeptic.

No peace in the Middle East. None ever. One solution and one only. Will never happen.

18 Cognito  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:45:50am

I wish we could find a way to clamp a lid on Iran's influence, but it's a tough nut. They're exerting that influence like terrorists, through a loose, gauzy web of nudges and funding and tech-sharing.

My fervent hope is that the place will collapse from within its own borders.

19 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:45:56am

re: #5 lawhawk

Meanwhile, Tom Friedman, who used to actually do real reporting from the Middle East and made note of the Hama rules, now actively shills for the Saudis and claims that the solution lies in a 5-state solution, which completely ignores all the points Totten makes cogently in his piece. It's more of what I've been saying for years. The diplomats engage in pseudorealism to make the facts fit their preconceived notions of what the outcome should be; when the fact disproves the notion (see attacks, kassam, et al.) they are ignored or minimized by the concerned diplomats who would rather see more rockets fall than have the "process" disrupted.

Meanwhile, it is further curious that Obama would lend his personal prestige to the Palestinian-Israel conflict so early in the first term. That's usually the refuge of lame duck Administrations who go for legacy building knowing that everything else has failed prior to their own attempts. Obama is going to hamstring his foreign policy from day 1 by tying in to the non-starter of trying to wring a hudna out of Hamas (which everyone will coveniently call a ceasefire, but which requires Israel to cease, while Hamas fires).

A five-state solution? Is he nuckin' futs?

20 Cognito  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:46:24am

re: #17 Erik The Red

No peace in the Middle East. None ever. One solution and one only. Will never happen.

Well heck. What's the one solution?

21 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:46:26am

Peace can be sought in one of two paths

Accept reality or [peace] process the end of Israel.

The World - volitionally or unconsciously- prefers the later.

22 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:49:10am

re: #20 Cognito

Well heck. What's the one solution?

Utterly and finally defeat/destroy one side. I know what side I take, do you?

23 SummerSong  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:49:42am

Posting to see if it will stop the new comments spinning wheel.

24 SummerSong  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:50:41am

re: #13 Charles

NOTE!

I'm going to need to restart the MySQL server, so we'll be offline for a few minutes. Don't panic. We'll be right back.


That explains it. Thank you, Charles.

25 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:51:29am

Done.

26 Kragar  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:52:13am

WE'RE DOOMED!

re: #25 Charles

Done.

OK, maybe not.

27 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:52:23am

re: #24 SummerSong

That explains it. Thank you, Charles.

My message said "the server was trying to redirect requests in a manner which could not complete".

FireFox 3 ... smart!

28 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:52:28am

re: #25 Charles

Done.

Wow, that was quick.

29 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:52:33am

re: #18 Cognito

I wish we could find a way to clamp a lid on Iran's influence, but it's a tough nut. They're exerting that influence like terrorists, through a loose, gauzy web of nudges and funding and tech-sharing.

My fervent hope is that the place will collapse from within its own borders.

Iran is Russia's proxy.

30 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:53:25am

The words "peace" and "Middle East" go together like oil and water. You can shake them together all you want, but they separate when things "settle down"...

JAFLW

31 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:55:24am

Hello anyone here?

32 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:55:37am

Drudge Siren

ABCNEWS: CIA Spy Boss Allegedly Drugged Muslim Women, Made Secret Sex Videos... station chief in Algeria under investigation.

33 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:56:18am

Obama's destruction of the CIA has begun.

34 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:57:16am

I am going to start telling my bad jokes if no one is here.

35 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:57:52am

re: #25 Charles

Done.

Thanks - I'm glad it wasn't something I did!

36 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:58:14am

{Erik the Red}

I'm here, but don't let that stop you!

37 realwest  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:58:16am

Michael Totten is a truly wonderful journalist. And he nails it exactly right with these two quotes:

“Unfortunately we Westerners are impatient,” said an Israeli politician who preferred not to be named. “We want fast food and peace now. But it won't happen. We need a long strategy.” “Most of Israel's serious problems don't have a solution,” said Dr. Dan Schueftan, Director of National Security Studies at the University of Haifa. “Israelis have only recently understood this, and most foreign analysts still don't understand it.”


and

Far too many Westerners make the mistake of projecting their own views onto Palestinians without really understanding the Palestinian narrative. The “occupation” doesn’t refer to the West Bank and Gaza, and it never has. The “occupation” refers to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. A kibbutz in the center of Israel is “occupied Palestine” according to most. “It makes no sense to a Palestinian to think about a Palestinian state alongside Israel,” Martin Kramer from the Shalem Center in Jerusalem said to me a few days ago. “From the Palestinian perspective, Israel will always exist inside Palestine.”

“Making peace with the Palestinians is harder than making peace with other Arabs,” said Asher Susser, Senior Research Fellow at Tel Aviv University. “With the Palestinians we have a 1948 file as well as a 1967 file. With other Arabs we only have a 1967 file. The 1967 file relates to our size, but the 1948 file relates to our very being. It is nearly impossible to resolve because we cannot compromise on our being.”

[Emphasis added, realwest.]
Quagmire, indeed.

38 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:58:32am

If there ever is a "solution" someday, it will come with much of the West Bank returning to Jordan, and the residents of Gaza being repatriated to other parts of the Arab world.

Sounds awful - hell, it is awful - but I can see no other way.

39 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:58:48am

re: #27 jwb7605

My message said "the server was trying to redirect requests in a manner which could not complete".

FireFox 3 ... smart!

Got the same message - totally weird, never seen that before!

40 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:58:54am

re: #33 faraway

Obama's destruction of the CIA has begun.

With the destruction of America soon to follow. Obama is doing his damnedest to ensure the Carter Presidency is no longer considered the worst.

41 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:59:07am

From elsewhere in the column:

Far too many Westerners make the mistake of projecting their own views onto Palestinians without really understanding the Palestinian narrative. The “occupation” doesn’t refer to the West Bank and Gaza, and it never has. The “occupation” refers to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. A kibbutz in the center of Israel is “occupied Palestine” according to most. “It makes no sense to a Palestinian to think about a Palestinian state alongside Israel,” Martin Kramer from the Shalem Center in Jerusalem said to me a few days ago. “From the Palestinian perspective, Israel will always exist inside Palestine.”

Something to post on the wall.

/and keep one round in the chamber, safety catch on

42 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:59:07am

{goddess} missed you this am. Why are you not at school?

43 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:59:31am

Has any nation in history ever planned its own destruction?

44 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:59:39am

re: #42 Erik The Red

{goddess} missed you this am. Why are you not at school?

Playing hooky?

45 gclaghorn  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:00:07am

re: #42 Erik The Red

{goddess} missed you this am. Why are you not at school?

Too kewl for skewl.

46 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:00:09am

re: #43 MandyManners

Has any nation in history ever planned its own destruction?

44 is trying.

47 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:00:18am

re: #43 MandyManners

Has any nation in history ever planned its own destruction?

Another Obama first!

48 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:00:20am

re: #44 FurryOldGuyJeans

Playing hooky?

Student revolt

49 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:00:26am

re: #43 MandyManners

Has any nation in history ever planned its own destruction?

Do you count the Palis who made themselves up, and have been intent on destroying themselves ever since?

50 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:00:28am

re: #43 MandyManners

Has any nation in history ever planned its own destruction?

We voted for ours.

51 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:00:55am

re: #42 Erik The Red

{goddess} missed you this am. Why are you not at school?

Oh, you're so sweet! We're having snow & sheet, so schools are closed in my area.

52 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:01:07am

re: #43 MandyManners

Has any nation in history ever planned its own destruction?

Change/

53 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:01:33am

The CIA outing is most likely part of the plan to jail Bush and Cheney.

54 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:01:33am

re: #49 Creeping Eruption

Do you count the Palis who made themselves up, and have been intent on destroying themselves ever since?

Their stated objective is to destroy Israel. Their destruction is an unintended consequence of that.

55 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:01:37am

re: #44 FurryOldGuyJeans

Playing hooky?

It's far more trouble to write up lesson plans for a substitute than to teach my classes!

56 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:01:38am

re: #31 Erik The Red

Hello anyone here?

Hey Eric..We got 10 inches of the white stuff last night..It's a mess here

57 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:01:44am

OT

Some of us talked about this yesterday, but it bears repeating. HR 45 is the next step in gun control, and it is a particularly nasty one:

HR 45

It's the Blair Holt bill, as this was the name of a young man killed on a public bus. According to the text of the bill, he was shielding a young woman when another young man boarded the bus and opened fire. Okay, that's tragic, but also manipulative.

But what really steams me is this section:

H.R.45
Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 (Introduced in House)

SEC. 801. INAPPLICABILITY TO GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITIES.

This Act and the amendments made by this Act shall not apply to any department or agency of the United States, of a State, or of a political subdivision of a State, or to any official conduct of any officer or employee of such a department or agency.

That's it. Further restrict the rights of lawful citizens while exempting government employees. And note that the term is "any department or agency of the United States". In other words, you and I are restricted, but not the janitor at the EPA.

58 Earl  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:01:54am

Totten fails to note a basic fact:

That, as long as the dar al-Islam v. dar al-harb dichotmoy exists in Islam, there can never be any "ME peace" as long as IL remains a Jewish state. Countless hours of failed Western effort could be saved by BHO acknowledging this fact, and abandoning entirely the Arab ME.

59 Rexatosis  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:01:59am

Come on, we all know the Muslims want "peace" with Israel, they want Israel and the Jews to "rest in peace." Then the Muslims give the same "peace" to the few remaining Christians.

60 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:02:17am

re: #51 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, you're so sweet! We're having snow & sheet, so schools are closed in my area.

Lucky you. Enjoy your day in bed/home

61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:02:35am

re: #51 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, you're so sweet! We're having snow & sheet, so schools are closed in my area.

SHEET!

/on knees praying, grateful for the opportunity

62 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:02:55am

re: #56 HoosierHoops

Hey Eric..We got 10 inches of the white stuff last night..It's a mess here

We have about 8 inches here, totally sucks.

63 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:02:59am

If W had done this the MSM would have a field day.

Hey Bam, that's not the door!

It looks like President Obama hasn't gotten acquainted to his White House surroundings. On the way back to the Oval Office Tuesday, the President approached a paned window, instead of the actual door -- located a few feet to his right.

64 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:03:06am

re: #38 Ringo the Gringo

If there ever is a "solution" someday, it will come with much of the West Bank returning to Jordan, and the residents of Gaza being repatriated to other parts of the Arab world.

Sounds awful - hell, it is awful - but I can see no other way.

Why should it be "returned" to Jordan who never had any legal claim to it, other than they illegally occupied for 19 years?

65 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:03:09am

re: #29 faraway

Iran is Russia's proxy.

Agree - especially in view of this:
Russian military a 'paper tiger' despite symbolic comeback, says IISS

I fear that Putin would like nothing better than letting the Mad Mullahs do maximum damgae to the USA and Israel while keeping clean hands. Also, his military command may not bee too keen to put themselves in the firing line.
So using Iran as proxy makes a huge amount of sense.

66 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:03:11am

re: #51 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, you're so sweet! We're having snow & sheet, so schools are closed in my area.

I am so glad it is you having all that "fun".

67 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:03:21am

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

CIA story

68 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:03:56am

re: #56 HoosierHoops

Hey Eric..We got 10 inches of the white stuff last night..It's a mess here

Hey 2H. Not great here today. No sun,no pool and lots of rain.

69 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:04:02am

re: #56 HoosierHoops

Hey Eric..We got 10 inches of the white stuff last night..It's a mess here

{Hooosier Daddy}

We're in the midst of it now.

70 Bogart  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:04:11am

Historically ALL religious confrontations, by their very nature, become an endless series of battles and psuedo negotiations. The only peace is found during the periods of frustration where neither side is accomplishing anything positive. I've seen it first hand in Ethiopia/Somalia, Sudanese Civil War: South (Christian) / North (Muslim) and various countries where the colonial powers in their ultimate wisdom drew geographical lines amidst religious or tribal areas that isolated a portion of a sect from the rest of it's "brothers". The current situation is merely an extension of the Crusades. Anyone that thinks it can be solved by rational thought after this many centuries is in a very dark place and doomed to stay there. The only way lasting peace could be achieved would be when one or the other turns to a nuclear solution which would most likely result in the removal of both parties from the world scene. Not a pretty picture and one might consider it to be counter productive.

71 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:04:16am

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Student revolt

GLARING...

72 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:04:22am

re: #8 buzzsawmonkey

Superbly clear-headed, and therefore slated to be ignored by the Administration.

What journalism school did Totten go to?

/

73 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:04:24am

re: #64 Alouette

Why should it be "returned" to Jordan who never had any legal claim to it, other than they illegally occupied for 19 years?

Perhaps I should have used the word "given" rather than "returned".

74 realwest  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:04:28am

re: #38 Ringo the Gringo
I have to say you're absolutely correct Ringo. As I pointed out in my quotes from Michael Tottens's piece at #37 above - the Palestinians will not settle for a two-state solution. They want Israel gone. It doesn't matter if Israel gives them the West Bank, Gaza, even Jerusalem - the "right of return" would still impel the Jordyptians to seek the destruction of Israel.

75 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:04:30am

re: #37 realwest

and most foreign analysts still don't understand it.”

They don't want to understand it, or they have bad motives.

Example. Julia Gorin rips into the legacy of Condoleezza Rice.

Condoleezza Rice to Ascendant Islam: Yes, Master!

[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

76 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:04:31am

re: #46 Erik The Red

44 is trying.

re: #47 FurryOldGuyJeans

Another Obama first!

re: #50 faraway

We voted for ours.

re: #52 DEZes

Change/

I'm talking about the insistence by others on the Right of Return of the Jordyptians. It would immediately cease to be Israel.

77 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:05:14am

re: #49 Creeping Eruption

Do you count the Palis who made themselves up, and have been intent on destroying themselves ever since?

No, because I don't consider the Jordyptians to be a nation-state.

78 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:05:14am

re: #61 pre-Boomer Marine brat

SHEET!

/on knees praying, grateful for the opportunity

Missed that. Well done.

79 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:05:26am

re: #61 pre-Boomer Marine brat

SHEET!

/on knees praying, grateful for the opportunity

How did I know YOU'D be the one to spot the typo?

Just you wait...

80 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:05:40am

re: #32 faraway

Drudge Siren

ABCNEWS: CIA Spy Boss Allegedly Drugged Muslim Women, Made Secret Sex Videos... station chief in Algeria under investigation.

from the article:

Officials say the 41-year old CIA officer, a convert to Islam, was ordered home by the U.S. Ambassador, David Pearce, in October after the women came forward with their rape allegations in September.


This could get real messy.

81 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:06:01am

re: #63 loppyd

If W had done this the MSM would have a field day.

Hey Bam, that's not the door!


Even when reporting this they had to trash W.

82 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:06:57am
83 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:06:57am

re: #76 MandyManners

I'm talking about the insistence by others on the Right of Return of the Jordyptians. It would immediately cease to be Israel.

You expected us to not see the wider implications of what you asked? ;)

84 ThinkRight  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:06:58am

re: #80 jwb7605

This could get real messy.


I predict the muslims will not like the U.S.
/

85 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:07:12am
86 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:07:17am

re: #81 newsjunkie_ky

Even when reporting this they had to trash W.

So predictable.

87 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:07:40am

re: #18 Cognito

I wish we could find a way to clamp a lid on Iran's influence, but it's a tough nut. They're exerting that influence like terrorists, through a loose, gauzy web of nudges and funding and tech-sharing.

My fervent hope is that the place will collapse from within its own borders.

Iran, is the key, shut them out, and we have a shot with Syria, but not a easy task. If only the world did not need their oil and we could tell them to pound sand.

88 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:07:46am

Smart dude.

89 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:07:49am

If anyone questions the old knowledge, this morning it was a balmy 61 F, and the sunrise was very pink. The whole world looked pink and I said that it was beautiful.

Rugrats in the back of the car piped up, "Red skies in the morning, sailor's take warning."

Sure enough, it quickly turned to torrential rain and the temp has dropped 20 degrees, expected to drop below freezing before evening.

90 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:07:55am
91 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:08:07am

Hizbullah attack against Israeli target in Europe foiled

Israel's intelligence agencies recently thwarted a major Hizbullah terror attack against an Israeli target in Europe, security officials revealed on Wednesday.

The attack was foiled by Israel in conjunction with a European intelligence agency. Hizbullah planned the attack to avenge the February 2008 assassination of arch-terrorist Imad Mughniyeh in Damascus.

Not in my backyard. Otherwise, it's fine.

/Europe

92 realwest  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:08:13am

re: #50 faraway
What do you mean "we" ? More than 48 million of us voted the other way.
William F. Buckley Jr. once said (paraphasing from memory) "What is democracy after all? If 51% of the people vote to take away all that is dear to the hearts of the 49%, does that mean that the 51% win? That the 49% lose all that is dear to their hearts? I don't think so."

93 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:08:18am

re: #72 DeafDog

What journalism school did Totten go to?

/

He was certainly not "classicly trained"

/

94 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:08:49am

re: #71 goddessoftheclassroom

GLARING...

re: #79 goddessoftheclassroom

How did I know YOU'D be the one to spot the typo?

Just you wait...

I'm going for the Nuclear Option.
5
4
3
2
1
LAUNCH

95 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:09:04am

re: #84 ThinkRight

I predict the muslims will not like the U.S.
/

I predict that this wasn't the "test" that Biden was thinking about.

96 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:09:06am

re: #80 jwb7605

Officials say the 41-year old CIA officer, a convert to Islam

We have CIA officers who are or were suseptible to be converted to Islam?

God help us.

97 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:09:54am

BBIAB

98 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:09:54am

The First Rule of Soviet Negotiation

"Change means giving up support for the rootless, uncivilized, fabricated, murdering ... Zionists and letting the Palestinian nation decide its own destiny,"

M. Ahmadinejad, President IRI

This guy hangs women from cranes and sics his goons on teenagers for having long hair. He has the theory of history that conflicts with sworn testimony or witnesses and the entire archival record of both Germany and the relevant world governments. He is the one who argues that Jews aren't even Jews and never were in the Holy Land despite an overwhelming historical and archaeological records to the contrary.

Never mind he was elected in a process where anyone expressing opinions too different from the ruling clique was excluded from running.

From Hitler right on through to Brezhnev and Castro, totalitarian international affairs can always be summed up: no matter how wrong you are, the first order of business is to demand an immediate apology. SecDef Gates warmed the cockles of my heart when he gave a great Cold War response to Russians complaints the USAF escorted their bombers to Cuba: "When they complained about us escorting their blackjack bombers to Venezuela, I wanted to say that we just wanted to be along there for search and rescue if they needed it," Gates said."

The centrifuges of Nantanz are spinning away. The days to a nuclear armed Ahmadinejad are getting shorter and shorter. If Obama lets them get the bomb, no one can ever say he did not have the chance and the ability to stop them. No one can say he did not know. No one can say he was not given his chance to use diplomacy. Dr. Susan Rice and Obama are worthy disciples of Neville Chamberlain, they still haven't figured out what happens when Iran conducts a nuclear test and announces breathlessly to the world, "we lied, we really did have a nuclear weapons program!" Iran is stalling for time and the people whose first duty to this country and its people, to say nothing of themselves, are playing right into the monsters' hands.

It should be Iran apologizing- for murdering Americans for 30 years, for seizing our Embassy, sponsoring terror and blaming us for their own sin of sending a million kids to die in the Iran-Iraq War. If the US ever phrased its public relations with Iran in this format, the Ayatollahs would defecate in their trousers. We are guilty of not being honest with ourselves and our enemies. This always leads to tragedy.

99 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:10:00am

re: #70 Bogart

Historically ALL religious confrontations, by their very nature, become an endless series of battles and psuedo negotiations. The only peace is found during the periods of frustration where neither side is accomplishing anything positive. I've seen it first hand in Ethiopia/Somalia, Sudanese Civil War: South (Christian) / North (Muslim) and various countries where the colonial powers in their ultimate wisdom drew geographical lines amidst religious or tribal areas that isolated a portion of a sect from the rest of it's "brothers". The current situation is merely an extension of the Crusades. Anyone that thinks it can be solved by rational thought after this many centuries is in a very dark place and doomed to stay there. The only way lasting peace could be achieved would be when one or the other turns to a nuclear solution which would most likely result in the removal of both parties from the world scene. Not a pretty picture and one might consider it to be counter productive.

WOW brave for your first post. NUCLEAR is not a solution ever. Don't ask me what is, cus I don't know.

100 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:10:08am

re: #63 loppyd

If W had done this the MSM would have a field day.

Hey Bam, that's not the door!

heh....my scotty dog does that now and then, but he's old, mostly blind, and deaf.

101 ThinkRight  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:10:16am

re: #96 Opinionated

We have CIA officers who are or were suseptible to be converted to Islam?

God help us.


He converted after we elected a muslim POTUS
/

102 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:10:25am

re: #83 FurryOldGuyJeans

You expected us to not see the wider implications of what you asked? ;)

I just cannot wrap my mind around the notion that a nation should be forced to destroy itself.

103 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:10:42am

This makes perfect sense to anyone who understands that the conflict is a religious one. Anyone who fails to look at the conflict through the religious prism of Islam vs the rest of the infidel world, the Ummah vs the rest of the world is doomed to permanent misunderstanding based on wishful thinking.

104 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:11:06am

re: #92 realwest

What do you mean "we" ? More than 48 million of us voted the other way.
William F. Buckley Jr. once said (paraphasing from memory) "What is democracy after all? If 51% of the people vote to take away all that is dear to the hearts of the 49%, does that mean that the 51% win? That the 49% lose all that is dear to their hearts? I don't think so."

Yep, couldn't agree more - with both you and WFB. Appears the Founding Fathers also agreed. Part of the reason a state with a population of 2 million has the same number of Senators as a state with 30 million.

Thank goodness.

105 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:11:12am

re: #80 jwb7605

Hmmmmm.

106 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:11:21am

re: #92 realwest

What do you mean "we" ? More than 48 million of us voted the other way.
William F. Buckley Jr. once said (paraphasing from memory) "What is democracy after all? If 51% of the people vote to take away all that is dear to the hearts of the 49%, does that mean that the 51% win? That the 49% lose all that is dear to their hearts? I don't think so."

which is why we have a Republic and not a Democracy, Why we are ruled by law and not by majority

107 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:11:21am

re: #96 Opinionated

We have CIA officers who are or were suseptible to be converted to Islam?

God help us.

You would think all CIA officers in a Muslim country would be pretending to be Muslim

108 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:11:40am

re: #81 newsjunkie_ky

Even when reporting this they had to trash W.

That is so ingrained now that it is done without conscious thought.

109 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:11:42am

re: #70 Bogart

WELCOME!

110 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:11:56am

re: #70 Bogart

Nice knowing ya.

111 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:12:08am

re: #109 MandyManners

LOLOLOL

112 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:12:58am
113 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:12:59am

re: #73 Ringo the Gringo

Perhaps I should have used the word "given" rather than "returned".

The pissant fake "Kingdom" should be given nothing. They should give their loot back to the Jews they stole it from.

114 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:13:10am

Video game plays strange message?

KNIGHTSVILLE, Ind. (WTHI) - Months ago, Rachel Jones was shocked to discover her 4-year-old's baby doll seemed to have a hidden message: Islam is the light.

Imagine her surprise when a game for her 8-year-old daughter's Nintendo DS had the same message.

Rachel said she bought the Nintendo game, Baby Pals, as a gift for her 8-year-old daughter after a good report card.

She had no idea the game also contained the hidden message "Islam is the light."

Here we go again.

116 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:13:24am
117 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:14:00am

re: #102 MandyManners

I just cannot wrap my mind around the notion that a nation should be forced to destroy itself.

Oh, I never said or even implied any nation SHOULD be forced to do that. The kicker is when they do it voluntarily and worshipful willingly.

118 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:14:10am

re: #94 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I didn't want to go here, but your actions leave me no choice.
from p-BMB's family album--the reason why he picks on the kittehs...v

119 ceemack  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:14:14am

The problem is that too many people in the Muslim world enrich and empower themselves by fomenting conflict with Israel.

If there was no conflict with Israel, the leaders--and even the rank and file--of Hamas and Fatah would just be that many more ordinary refugees, scratching for a living in Gaza or the West Bank like the rest of the "Palestinians". By carrying on their "war" with Israel, and getting the other "Palestinians" to see things the same way, they gain a living and a source of power. They put themselves in an elevated position without having to actually do something useful.

By the same token, Ahmadinejad and the mullahs in Iran can continue to sit atop a restless nation, oppressing their own people by perpetuating the Arab/Israeli conflict--and holding themselves up as the true champions of the oppressed "Palestinian" Muslims. This is also true of the ruling Shiite minority in Syria, to a slightly lesser degree.

Israel won't start to know peace until there's a moderate, secular government in Tehran (gee, thanks, Jimmuh), and it would still be a long road from that point.

120 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:14:16am

re: #114 Ben Hur

Video game plays strange message?

Here we go again.

It's the same recording that was used in the baby doll. Chinese efficiency.

121 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:14:19am

re: #96 Opinionated

We have CIA officers who are or were suseptible to be converted to Islam?

I think "going native" is a age-old CIA problem. State dept too.

Having Muslims in the CIA is of course not an issue. Neither is an employee changing their faith. But it is not irrational to at least wonder if the change of faith was a result of the employee feeling more a part of the culture of his assigned country than his home country.

122 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:14:29am

re: #104 subsailor68

Yep, couldn't agree more - with both you and WFB. Appears the Founding Fathers also agreed. Part of the reason a state with a population of 2 million has the same number of Senators as a state with 30 million.

Thank goodness.

And why we have an electoral college. I'm pretty worried about the movement to abolish it.

123 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:15:02am

re: #101 ThinkRight

He converted after we elected a muslim POTUS
/

Link please.

124 akak  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:15:04am
Livni: Surrender Part of Israel to Keep a Jewish Majority
Israel must give up parts of Judea and Samaria in order to preserve Israel as a Jewish state, Kadima leader Livni told the Jerusalem Conference.

To think there are supporters for her in this very place.

125 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:15:05am

re: #105 WriterMom

Hmmmmm.

The guy converts to Islam (didn't say when), and goes to bars and drinks publicly.
Michael V. Hayden -- is he still CIA director, or has Eric Holder already taken over?

Hayden certainly dropped the ball.

126 andopolis  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:15:40am

JERUSALEM (Reuters) – Israel warned on Wednesday of further violent retaliation for the killing of a soldier by Gaza militants, an Israeli security source said.

"Israel will respond very severely," the source said. The Israeli air force carried out strikes during the night but "we haven't seen it all."

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was quoted as telling senior officials on Tuesday evening that Israel's response would be "severe and disproportionate."

Oh hell yeah.

127 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:15:43am

re: #70 Bogart

Historically ALL religious confrontations, by their very nature, become an endless series of battles and psuedo negotiations. The only peace is found during the periods of frustration where neither side is accomplishing anything positive. I've seen it first hand in Ethiopia/Somalia, Sudanese Civil War: South (Christian) / North (Muslim) and various countries where the colonial powers in their ultimate wisdom drew geographical lines amidst religious or tribal areas that isolated a portion of a sect from the rest of it's "brothers". The current situation is merely an extension of the Crusades. Anyone that thinks it can be solved by rational thought after this many centuries is in a very dark place and doomed to stay there. The only way lasting peace could be achieved would be when one or the other turns to a nuclear solution which would most likely result in the removal of both parties from the world scene. Not a pretty picture and one might consider it to be counter productive.

DAMN, what an excellent first post. Worth repeating, most definitely.

128 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:16:06am

re: #122 doppelganglander

And why we have an electoral college. I'm pretty worried about the movement to abolish it.

I am too. It would be suicide for small states, so I'd think it would be pretty hard to get an amendment ratified, but who knows in today's world.

129 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:16:07am
130 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:16:20am
131 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:16:31am

re: #115 gclaghorn

OT:

In picture of meeting with Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton focuses on something shiny next to the camera

looks like she had a bad lemon.

And The Chosen One is back to wearing a flag lapel pin?

132 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:17:17am

re: #69 loppyd

{Hooosier Daddy}

We're in the midst of it now.


{Loppyd} Be safe!
People here think they are race car drivers..The were cars off the road everywhere this morning..

133 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:17:23am

re: #129 Iron Fist

Stay warm and don't RUST!

134 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:17:35am

Hmmm... who could have possibly leaked a CIA story?

135 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:17:37am

re: #118 goddessoftheclassroom

I didn't want to go here, but your actions leave me no choice.
from p-BMB's family album--the reason why he picks on the kittehs...v

uh ... er ... well, I don't really have time to reply to that

136 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:17:41am

re: #121 Silhouette

That's a possibility. I'd like to know the full story -- maybe he converted long before he was assigned to Algeria, and the CIA might have considered it an asset.

137 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:17:48am

re: #120 Alouette

It's the same recording that was used in the baby doll. Chinese efficiency.

I thought the Chinese had a case of the butt against Muslims?

138 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:17:53am

re: #107 faraway

You would think all CIA officers in a Muslim country would be pretending to be Muslim

The CIA has been actively looking for more Muslim agents It's not his faith that's issue, it's his conduct.

139 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:18:14am

re: #131 Outrider

looks like she had a bad lemon.

And The Chosen One is back to wearing a flag lapel pin?

When and where to wear it will be clearly explained in the little book.

140 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:18:17am

re: #128 subsailor68

I am too. It would be suicide for small states, so I'd think it would be pretty hard to get an amendment ratified, but who knows in today's world.

The only saving grace I see is it having to be ratified by so many states. There are lots more small states than there are large states, and they, I hope, would be unwilling to give even the minuscule influence they currently have.

141 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:18:37am

[Link: www.wabcradio.com...]re: #127 FurryOldGuyJeans

DAMN, what an excellent first post. Worth repeating, most definitely.


The only way lasting peace could be achieved would be when one or the other turns to a nuclear solution which would most likely result in the removal of both parties from the world scene.
Sounds great to me///

142 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:18:53am
143 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:18:56am

re: #103 WriterMom

This makes perfect sense to anyone who understands that the conflict is a religious one. Anyone who fails to look at the conflict through the religious prism of Islam vs the rest of the infidel world, the Ummah vs the rest of the world is doomed to permanent misunderstanding based on wishful thinking.

Absolutely.
Trouble is that most of the Western politicians hear, for example 'truce' - and know nothing about hudna.

They fill the words the hamasthugs or Fataholes use with the meanings they know from 20st, post-WWII political discourse.
They have no idea that they talk to people who practice taqiyya - never mind actually knowing what that means.

144 ThinkRight  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:19:01am

re: #123 avanti

Link please.


Suddenly Obama Has Muslim Roots

145 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:19:07am

re: #140 FurryOldGuyJeans

The only saving grace I see is it having to be ratified by so many states. There are lots more small states than there are large states, and they, I hope, would be unwilling to give even the minuscule influence they currently have.

Yep. Exactly what I was thinking as well.

146 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:19:12am

I don't know if zombie is around, but it looks like it's been active down in Texas.

147 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:19:25am

re: #132 HoosierHoops

{Loppyd} Be safe!
People here think they are race car drivers..The were cars off the road everywhere this morning..


Snow, freezing rain, more snow and demolition drivers make for a bad drive to work.
:(

148 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:19:28am

re: #126 andopolis

"severe and disproportionate."

Oh hell yeah.

GO IDF!

/I hope it's time to put my Hamas Mouse avatar back up

149 gclaghorn  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:19:41am

re: #130 newsjunkie_ky

That is one creepy photo.

If you thought that picture of Hillary was creepy...

150 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:19:45am

re: #141 Erik The Red

You have got to be kidding. Reported.

151 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:19:47am

look what the israelis have done w/ their little parcel of sand.
created a beautiful, successful, democratic country.
the palis would love to "return" to israel,
not w/good intentions but w/ death and destruction on their minds.
KEEP THEM OUT.
(like you would guard against rabid animals.)

152 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:19:50am

re: #131 Outrider

looks like she had a bad lemon.

And The Chosen One is back to wearing a flag lapel pin?

Now that he's won it is patriotic again to do so. Empty gestures is all the man knows and understands.

153 realwest  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:19:57am

re: #65 yma o hyd
Hey {yma} "So using Iran as proxy makes a huge amount of sense."
The only problem with that for Putin is that he has to rely on the combat capabilities of Iran. These have not been tested for a quarter of a century and then only against Iraq and then only successful when Iran used it's children to "run through" minefields so it's soldiers could attack significant Iraqi positions. And, of course, Iran had to out-wit that great military strategist and tactician, Saddam Hussein.
Relying on Iraq is, in many ways, potentially more dangerous to Putin than anything else he could do (other than relying on Syria).

154 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:20:00am

re: #128 subsailor68

I am too. It would be suicide for small states, so I'd think it would be pretty hard to get an amendment ratified, but who knows in today's world.

it would be suicidal for any except major population centers. A few major cities could carry an election.

This is pointed out dramatically when viewing Real clear politics electoral map

155 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:20:41am

re: #150 doppelganglander

You have got to be kidding. Reported.

Did you miss the FUCKING //// sarc tags?

156 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:20:55am

I see 0bama's work going the way of all the others:
1) All sides agree on a vague "framework" that includes some adjustment of "borders", a "modified right of return", action to end terrorism, and "confidence building" on the part of Israel, etc.
2) The Palis continue terrorism. The world blames Israel.
3) The Palis insist that most, if not all, "refugees" must "return" to Israel. Israel refuses.
4) The peace talks break down.
5) The world blames Israel.

And in this case, unlike Clinton and Bush, the US under 0bama will also blame Israel.

157 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:21:01am
158 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:21:09am

re: #116 Iron Fist

As a matter of fact, Hitler did as things were falling in on him at the end of the Third Reich. IIRC, Hitler ordered German troops to raze cities, burn crops, and destroy Germany completely because it had failed to be the equal of Hitler's "brilliant" planning and leadership.

Ummmmmmmm...not exactly what I was thinking about. His "nation" was on its way out by external forces. All he did was pitch a hissy fit.

159 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:21:09am
160 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:21:22am

re: #135 pre-Boomer Marine brat

uh ... er ... well, I don't really have time to reply to that

Trying to change the subject will not work. My "friends" will be around to see you later....

161 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:21:31am

re: #121 Silhouette

I think "going native" is a age-old CIA problem. State dept too.

Having Muslims in the CIA is of course not an issue. Neither is an employee changing their faith. But it is not irrational to at least wonder if the change of faith was a result of the employee feeling more a part of the culture of his assigned country than his home country.

Converts have a particular fervor to their adopted religion. Islam is particularly hostile to Western values.

I do not believe a fervent Muslim convert/CIA agent is a good idea.

162 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:21:44am

re: #144 ThinkRight

Suddenly Obama Has Muslim Roots

No, the link to the CIA guy converting after the election, we knew about Obama's dad.

163 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:21:50am

re: #117 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh, I never said or even implied any nation SHOULD be forced to do that. The kicker is when they do it voluntarily and worshipful willingly.

I don't see Israel doing it.

164 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:21:53am

re: #154 Outrider

it would be suicidal for any except major population centers. A few major cities could carry an election.

This is pointed out dramatically when viewing Real clear politics electoral map

Whoa! Thanks for that. You're right on - the Real clear politics map is a perfect visual image to make that point.

165 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:22:01am

re: #66 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am so glad it is you having all that "fun".

Code words!

166 solomonpanting  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:22:07am
“Iran has its fingers all over these talks.

There is a procedure for subtracting digits from this quagmire.

167 ThinkRight  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:22:43am

re: #162 avanti

No, the link to the CIA guy converting after the election, we knew about Obama's dad.


you missed the sarc tag

168 Cathypop  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:23:00am

re: #159 taxfreekiller

lawhawk

that sign is real, its on the way into Austin, Tx
.........Zombie Democrat Voters ....


So true. Austin is loaded with them

169 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:23:03am

re: #162 avanti

You really need a sarcasm appreciation transfusion.

170 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:23:06am

re: #100 eschew_obfuscation

heh....my scotty dog does that now and then, but he's old, mostly blind, and deaf.

Does he bite reporters like Barney? :~)

171 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:23:08am

re: #150 doppelganglander

You have got to be kidding. Reported.

Look at This

172 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:23:12am

re: #139 jwb7605

When and where to wear it will be clearly explained in the little book.

damn. and i don't have my copy yet.

But I would choose to read one of these over the little book. ;-)>

173 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:23:25am
174 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:23:25am
175 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:23:52am

re: #167 ThinkRight

you missed the sarc tag

No, he is just kvetching because you dissed the O, even in jest. He won't allow that.

176 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:24:09am

re: #174 Iron Fist

I disagree. We shouldn't remove any of our weapons from the table. It's like the fights in Old Westerns, where the good guy catches the bad guy without a weapon, so he lays down his gun to fight it out fairly.

That is SO much bullshit. I knew better that to do something that stupid before I was ten year old.

You can't impose Peace through superior firepower if you aren't willing to use that firepower. If we are incapable of ever using our nuclear arsenal, we might as well not have it. I expect that Obama feels the same way, only he doesn't look at it as a bug in his program. To him, that is only a feature.

Can't bring a knife to a gunfight.

177 realwest  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:24:14am

re: #98 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
Yet another in a very long string of fine comments. Absolutely Spot On.
That President Obama doesn't see the danger of a nuclear armed Iran is due, I think, to his narcissistic personality disorder, his belief that HE can talk to anyone and achieve "peace".
I fear he will only achieve a horrible war.

178 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:24:14am

re: #114 Ben Hur

Video game plays strange message?

Here we go again.

Do the toys say that directly, or is it an interpretation of what is actually said. I'd like to know.

I'm thinking it is said directly from the way it's reported, but the article is too vague to know for certain.

179 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:25:07am

re: #176 loppyd

Can't bring a knife to a gunfight.

You can, but if your opponent with the gun won't let you win you won't.

180 dhg4  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:25:25am

re: #5 lawhawk

Meanwhile, Tom Friedman, who used to actually do real reporting from the Middle East and made note of the Hama rules, now actively shills for the Saudis and claims that the solution lies in a 5-state solution, which completely ignores all the points Totten makes cogently in his piece. It's more of what I've been saying for years. The diplomats engage in pseudorealism to make the facts fit their preconceived notions of what the outcome should be; when the fact disproves the notion (see attacks, kassam, et al.) they are ignored or minimized by the concerned diplomats who would rather see more rockets fall than have the "process" disrupted.

Meanwhile, it is further curious that Obama would lend his personal prestige to the Palestinian-Israel conflict so early in the first term. That's usually the refuge of lame duck Administrations who go for legacy building knowing that everything else has failed prior to their own attempts. Obama is going to hamstring his foreign policy from day 1 by tying in to the non-starter of trying to wring a hudna out of Hamas (which everyone will coveniently call a ceasefire, but which requires Israel to cease, while Hamas fires).

Maybe President Obama believes his own press clippings? The folks he's surrounded himself with claim that the Middle East is worse off because of the Bush administration's inattention for 8 years to peace processing. The fail to ackowledge that the 8 years of peace processing (and ignoring Arafat's perfidy and treating Netanyahu like a pariah) brought us the "Aqsa intifada." If Bush had followed the same path as Clinton things would be a lot worse off now, than they are now. (Do you think Clinton would have allowed "Operation Defensive Shield?" Or would have allowed Israel to strike at Hezbollah as long as the Bush administration did? If you have any doubts go back to Operation Grapes of Wrath in 1996.)

181 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #160 goddessoftheclassroom

Trying to change the subject will not work. My "friends" will be around to see you later....


Interogation time

182 ThinkRight  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:25:27am

re: #175 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, he is just kvetching because you dissed the O, even in jest. He won't allow that.


Does he need a link to KOS ?

183 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:25:44am

re: #169 FurryOldGuyJeans

You really need a sarcasm appreciation transfusion.

Is that what the / means ? Well, crap, then never mind.

184 Davida  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:25:52am

The cognitive dissonance in the world today is giving me a headache.
Perhaps the Ossiah can help us understand things in a new way....

(I do not take credit for the term Ossiah. A fellow blogger coined it today . Her name is Rebecca.)

185 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:25:54am

re: #160 goddessoftheclassroom

Trying to change the subject will not work. My "friends" will be around to see you later....

Cats are sociopaths.

186 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:26:12am

re: #156 Kosh's Shadow

Netenyahu is the wildcard this time. Assuming he's going to be in as Israeli PM, he's going to mix with Obama like Oil & Vinnegar.

187 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:26:18am

re: #182 ThinkRight

Does he need a link to KOS ?

IIRC correctly they (DKos) kicked him out so he came here.

188 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:26:36am

re: #162 avanti

No, the link to the CIA guy converting after the election, we knew about Obama's dad.

It's fucking sarcasm, dude.

189 Racer X  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:26:47am

re: #114 Ben Hur

Video game plays strange message?

Here we go again.

Oh this is gonna hit the shit now.

190 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:26:56am

re: #174 Iron Fist

I disagree. We shouldn't remove any of our weapons from the table. It's like the fights in Old Westerns, where the good guy catches the bad guy without a weapon, so he lays down his gun to fight it out fairly.

That is SO much bullshit. I knew better that to do something that stupid before I was ten year old.

You can't impose Peace through superior firepower if you aren't willing to use that firepower. If we are incapable of ever using our nuclear arsenal, we might as well not have it. I expect that Obama feels the same way, only he doesn't look at it as a bug in his program. To him, that is only a feature.

Take a gun to a knife fight EVERY time. Don't advocate nuclear destruction on anyone. END OF DAYS. I am to young and so are my kids.

191 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:27:13am

re: #176 loppyd

Can't bring a knife to a gunfight.

Ever see "The Punisher"?

192 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:27:28am

re: #181 DEZes

Interogation time

I truly guffawed at that!

193 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:27:34am

re: #188 MandyManners

It's fucking sarcasm, dude.

He doesn't care. The O got dissed, and he won't allow that, not ever.

194 Soona'  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:27:51am

re: #147 DEZes

Snow, freezing rain, more snow and demolition drivers make for a bad drive to work.
:(

It's the storm we put up with yesterday. Have fun. :p

195 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:28:05am

re: #181 DEZes

Interogation time

LOL!
Excellent photo!

196 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:28:06am

re: #185 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Cats are sociopaths.

That one was.
Now back to work...

197 MJ  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:28:12am

Martin Kramer has a good piece today:

Did Hamas really win in Gaza?

...Those who've promised to liberate Jerusalem and Palestine by arms are (again) begging the world for sacks of flour.

[Link: sandbox.blog-city.com...]

198 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:28:15am

Jack Bauer can win with a knife at a gun fight.

199 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:28:15am

re: #175 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, he is just kvetching because you dissed the O, even in jest. He won't allow that.

Naw, you can say most anything in jest, I just missed the sarc tag.

200 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:28:20am

re: #179 FurryOldGuyJeans

You can, but if your opponent with the gun won't let you win you won't.

Ha. I should have said "don't"..........

201 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:28:30am

re: #177 realwest

Yet another in a very long string of fine comments. Absolutely Spot On.
That President Obama doesn't see the danger of a nuclear armed Iran is due, I think, to his narcissistic personality disorder, his belief that HE can talk to anyone and achieve "peace".
I fear he will only achieve a horrible war.

And, thus, history washes, rinses, and repeats. It's almost as if the 1930s have been visited upon us once again.

202 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:28:37am

re: #198 Silhouette

Jack Bauer can win with a knife at a gun fight.

This is true!

203 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:28:41am

re: #115 gclaghorn

OT:

In picture of meeting with Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton focuses on something shiny next to the camera

Or perhaps she is enjoying the new vibrating conference chairs.

204 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:28:57am

re: #192 goddessoftheclassroom

I truly guffawed at that!


Glad you enjoyed it, I must now shovel the global warming from my drive,.

205 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:29:06am

wow, we are really having trouble with the sarcasm meters today it seems like ;-)>

206 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:29:31am

re: #147 DEZes

Snow, freezing rain, more snow and demolition drivers make for a bad drive to work.
:(

It's the storm that dump a half a foot of snow in Golden, Co. On Sunday night/Monday morning.

207 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:29:55am

re: #204 DEZes

Glad you enjoyed it, I must now shovel the global warming from my drive,.

Fluffy-white Global Warming Flakes (tm)

208 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:30:13am

re: #198 Silhouette

Jack Bauer can win with a knife at a gun fight.

Jack Bauer, disarmed, hand cuffed and tied to a chair won at a gun fight.

209 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:30:22am

re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans

IIRC correctly they (DKos) kicked him out so he came here.

Yea, made the mistake of sticking up for the right when the moon bats came out. I did not vote for GW, but he's no frigging war criminal.

210 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:30:25am

re: #153 realwest

Hey {yma} "So using Iran as proxy makes a huge amount of sense."
The only problem with that for Putin is that he has to rely on the combat capabilities of Iran. These have not been tested for a quarter of a century and then only against Iraq and then only successful when Iran used it's children to "run through" minefields so it's soldiers could attack significant Iraqi positions. And, of course, Iran had to out-wit that great military strategist and tactician, Saddam Hussein.
Relying on Iraq is, in many ways, potentially more dangerous to Putin than anything else he could do (other than relying on Syria).

Well, yeah, in a rational world.
However, Putin probably regards this as advantageous to Russia - a sor of MAD once removed - with the truly mad Mullahs being able to do that which he cannot, due to the restraints (the few) he still has to labour under.

With the economic situation in Russia also going down the drain, using Iran as proxy must look quite enticing to him.

211 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:30:36am

re: #195 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!
Excellent photo!

C*ts.

212 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:30:46am

Via Hot Air:

Report: “Overwhelming” House GOP opposition to stimulus

Just talked to a very clued-in Republican on the Hill. This person wouldn’t predict a unanimous Republican vote against the Democratic stimulus package, but said there would be “minimal” GOP support of the bill. “I don’t know if it will be unanimous, but Democrats are not going to have the kind of bipartisan support the president was trying to get,” he told me. An “overwhelming” number of Republicans will vote no, he predicted…

It’s also clear that Republicans, battered after big losses in 2006 and even bigger losses in 2008, are finding their feet on this issue. The House leadership is running hard on this, trying to make sure every Republican knows what is in the 647-page bill, and handing out individual analyses to each GOP member of what the bill, if passed, would cost his or her particular congressional district.

213 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:30:56am

re: #163 MandyManners

I don't see Israel doing it.

Right now neither do I, but IMO O sure is trying to do it here ATM.

214 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:31:04am

re: #208 jcm

Jack Bauer, disarmed, hand cuffed and tied to a chair won at a gun fight.

I LOVE THAT SHOW!

I love that character, too. Sigh.

215 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:31:26am
216 Scion9  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:31:28am

re: #104 subsailor68

Yep, couldn't agree more - with both you and WFB. Appears the Founding Fathers also agreed. Part of the reason a state with a population of 2 million has the same number of Senators as a state with 30 million.

Thank goodness.

Jefferson actually wanted to set a cap on the size a State could be during his administration (especially after doubling the size of the US overnight) to make sure that Congressional and Electoral power wasn't concentrated too much in a handful of massive, populace States (like we have now with Texas, New York etc). Unfortunately he wasn't able to make that happen.

217 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:31:50am

re: #181 DEZes

Interogation time

I so had to steal that, thanks. ;)

218 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:32:09am

re: #211 Ben Hur

C*ts.

You say that as if it were a bad thing!

219 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:32:14am

re: #212 loppyd

Via Hot Air:

Report: “Overwhelming” House GOP opposition to stimulus

pretty bleak overwhelming. Kind of like the overwhelming odds the Mexicans faced at the Alamo. ;-)>

220 ThinkRight  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:32:22am
The Taliban told U.S. President Barack Obama on Tuesday that his plan to close Guantanamo Bay prison camp was a "positive step" but peace was only possible if he withdraws U.S. forces from Afghanistan and Iraq.

Taliban gives Obama approval

221 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:32:33am

re: #206 Walter L. Newton

It's the storm that dump a half a foot of snow in Golden, Co. On Sunday night/Monday morning.

Yeah, I live in southern Indiana, the roads look like somebody bombed a drive in movie.
Lost of folks without power, I am still lucky on that part of the mess.

222 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:32:54am

re: #219 Outrider

pretty bleak overwhelming. Kind of like the overwhelming odds the Mexicans faced at the Alamo. ;-)>

But who won in the long run? :)

223 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:32:59am

re: #216 Scion9

Jefferson actually wanted to set a cap on the size a State could be during his administration (especially after doubling the size of the US overnight) to make sure that Congressional and Electoral power wasn't concentrated too much in a handful of massive, populace States (like we have now with Texas, New York etc). Unfortunately he wasn't able to make that happen.

I didn't know that. Thanks. I try to learn something new every day, and ya helped me check off Wednesday!

:-)

224 Racer X  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:33:08am

re: #198 Silhouette

Jack Bauer Chuck Norris can win with a knife at a gun fight.

/fixed.

225 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:33:09am

re: #208 jcm

Jack Bauer, disarmed, hand cuffed and tied to a chair won at a gun fight.

And McGiver made a nuke out of a gum wrapper and a Swiss Army knife.

226 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:33:23am

re: #214 goddessoftheclassroom

I LOVE THAT SHOW!

I love that character, too. Sigh.

It is a fun ride. To hold me over till the latest seasons comes out on DVD, I've reading Vince Flynn's Mitch Rapp books.

227 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:33:35am

re: #225 Walter L. Newton

And McGiver made a nuke out of a gum wrapper and a Swiss Army knife.

LOL

228 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:33:37am

re: #209 avanti

Yea, made the mistake of sticking up for the right when the moon bats came out. I did not vote for GW, but he's no frigging war criminal.

For some reason I am not surprised.

229 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:33:50am
230 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:33:51am

re: #221 DEZes

Yeah, I live in southern Indiana, the roads look like somebody bombed a drive in movie.
Lost of folks without power, I am still lucky on that part of the mess.

Do you have ties to northeastern Indiana? My dad's family has deep roots in Wells and Huntington Counties.

231 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:34:04am

re: #226 jcm

It is a fun ride. To hold me over till the latest seasons comes out on DVD, I've reading Vince Flynn's Mitch Rapp books.

I heart Mitch Rapp!

232 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:34:13am

re: #222 goddessoftheclassroom

But who won in the long run? :)

;-)>

233 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:34:28am

re: #196 goddessoftheclassroom

That one was.
Now back to work...

ROFLMAO!

*rimshot*

KUDOS!

234 martinsmithy  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:34:30am

Thanks Charles, for linking to this EXCELLENT article by Michael Totten. I heard on the radio this morning on my drive to work that Hamas is using the fighting as yet another excuse to terrorize and destroy its internal Palestinian political enemies in Gaza. Any sane political group would see the Israeli counter-attack as a reason to refrain from provoking Israel, but as we all know Hamas is infected with the insanity of Islam.

Obama and George Mitchell will get nothing from this other than another (very) temporary "hudna" while Hamas re-arms.

A hopeless situation? No, not if we continue to stand behind Israel against the nay-sayers in the rest of the world until someday, somehow, the Palestinians either gain some sense or are permanently dispersed among the rest of the world's nations.

235 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:34:32am

re: #217 FurryOldGuyJeans

I so had to steal that, thanks. ;)


That's how I got it, glad every one liked it.
Yes I am procrastinating about the snow removal.

236 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:34:37am
237 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:34:37am

re: #170 loppyd

Does he bite reporters like Barney? :~)

He can't see reporters ..... if he could, I'd teach him to bite them

238 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:34:38am

re: #211 Ben Hur

C*ts.

re: #218 goddessoftheclassroom

You say that as if it were a bad thing!

Cats ,,,, YUMMMMM!

/duckin!

239 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:34:42am

re: #225 Walter L. Newton

And McGiver made a nuke out of a gum wrapper and a Swiss Army knife.

LOL!, wouldn't he have to have some duct tape?

240 realwest  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:34:45am

re: #70 Bogart Wow, quite a first comment and welcome aboard!
But, you said

The current situation is merely an extension of the Crusades. Anyone that thinks it can be solved by rational thought after this many centuries is in a very dark place and doomed to stay there. The only way lasting peace could be achieved would be when one or the other turns to a nuclear solution which would most likely result in the removal of both parties from the world scene. Not a pretty picture and one might consider it to be counter productive.


And I would have to say to you that there is no nuclear option that would provide "peace" in any fashion whatsoever; indeed, I think a nuclear war between Israel and [fill in the blank of your choice; mine is currently Iran] would not stop with those two nations.
And, of course, it is not only not a pretty picture, it is one which makes me very afraid for the survival of humanity. We cannot let barbarians totally destroy a truly civilized, democratic nation like Israel.
Or the United States.

241 Racer X  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:35:29am

Hi Rush!

Love the show - keep up the fight!

242 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:35:37am

re: #211 Ben Hur

Don't think we ALL DIDN'T CATCH THAT.

243 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:35:39am

re: #225 Walter L. Newton

And McGiver made a nuke out of a gum wrapper and a Swiss Army knife.

It's MacGyver; sorry dude. ;)

244 Soona'  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:35:53am

re: #185 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Cats are sociopaths.

LOL.

245 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:36:00am

re: #212 loppyd

Via Hot Air:

Report: “Overwhelming” House GOP opposition to stimulus

Just watched the White House press conference. Obama is having some Republicans over for drinks this evening. He'll pass the bill in the house, but I'd bet he'll make some concessions to the GOP over the next few weeks.

246 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:36:10am

re: #239 jcm

LOL!, wouldn't he have to have some duct tape?

and WD-40

247 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:36:18am

re: #235 DEZes

That's how I got it, glad every one liked it.
Yes I am procrastinating about the snow removal.

Snow is a good reason to procrastinate. ;)

248 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:36:26am

re: #221 DEZes

Yeah, I live in southern Indiana, the roads look like somebody bombed a drive in movie.
Lost of folks without power, I am still lucky on that part of the mess.

Well, they are saying "flurries" tonight and into tomorrow. I am looking right now at the clouds that are starting to push over the last edge of the mountains, ready to spill into Golden (which is in the foothills), in a valley, right up against the mountains.

They said the same thing Sunday, and by Monday morning we had a half of foot of snow.

That's what makes this all so exciting.

249 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:36:30am

re: #212 loppyd

Via Hot Air:

Report: “Overwhelming” House GOP opposition to stimulus

$200,000,000.00 for new sod on the National Mall? $600,000,000.00 for new government vehicles?

250 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:36:37am

re: #225 Walter L. Newton

And McGiver made a nuke out of a gum wrapper and a Swiss Army knife.

And Obama made a Presidency out of 2 books and a speech

251 BatGuano  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:36:42am

I hope this works OK, because this is an oldie but a goody from 2002.


http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/2006/08/30/larry-miller-on-the-situation-in-the-middle-east/

252 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:36:44am
253 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:36:48am

re: #246 Outrider

and WD-40

Jack Bauer only needs WD-39.

254 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:37:12am

re: #249 MandyManners

$200,000,000.00 for new sod on the National Mall? $600,000,000.00 for new government vehicles?

$300+ million on STD prevention.

255 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:37:33am

re: #211 Ben Hur

C*ts.

Are y*u dogging me again?

256 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:37:34am

re: #252 buzzsawmonkey

How many drinks do you think it will take before they are all ordering their own EggPower sculptures?

257 Racer X  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:37:53am

re: #220 ThinkRight

Taliban gives Obama approval

re: #241 Racer X

Hi Rush!

Love the show - keep up the fight!

He's gotta be reading. There's about a 10 min delay between what gets posted here and what he is all over.

258 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:37:56am

re: #230 goddessoftheclassroom

Do you have ties to northeastern Indiana? My dad's family has deep roots in Wells and Huntington Counties.


No, Mom was from Scottsburg Indiana, Dad was from bowling green kentucky.

259 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:37:57am

re: #245 avanti

Just watched the White House press conference. Obama is having some Republicans over for drinks this evening. He'll pass the bill in the house, but I'd bet he'll make some concessions to the GOP over the next few weeks.

Ply 'em with liquor is Obama's strategy?

260 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:38:00am

re: #236 Iron Fist

Nobody gets out of life alive. What are you willing to drop the dime on? If your enemies know that there is a point beyond which if pushed you'll fold rather than fight, then you are giving your enemy a blueprint for your defeat.

If it comes down to that you fight hard and dirty until the end. If the end is the END OF DAYS so be it. God help us all if it comes to that. We will all be dead so WTF we will not care.

261 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:38:21am

Alert

Seven and one half hours (mountain time) until the next episode of L O S T... "Jughead."

We return you to your regularly scheduled blog.

262 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:38:25am

re: #228 FurryOldGuyJeans

For some reason I am not surprised.

I did vote for Reagan if that earns me any brownie points.

263 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:38:48am

re: #250 faraway

And Obama made a Presidency out of 2 books and a speech

LOL (oops, scare Masiey the Parrot, she fell off her perch).

264 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:38:50am

re: #249 MandyManners

$200,000,000.00 for new sod on the National Mall? $600,000,000.00 for new government vehicles?

If that counts as opposition we certainly don't need cooperation. We definitely won't be able to afford even more pork.

265 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:39:08am

re: #242 WriterMom

Don't think we ALL DIDN'T CATCH THAT.

C*ts, not C**ts.

266 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:39:20am

re: #262 avanti

I did vote for Reagan if that earns me any brownie points.

The 1st run or for re-election?

267 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:39:32am

re: #254 loppyd

$300+ million on STD prevention.

My mom told me last night that that had been dropped.

268 Soona'  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:39:32am

re: #190 Erik The Red

Take a gun to a knife fight EVERY time. Don't advocate nuclear destruction on anyone. END OF DAYS. I am to young and so are my kids.

I say: You terrorize my country, asshole, and I have weapons to turn your tepid little country into a nuclear glaze.

269 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:39:39am

re: #262 avanti

I did vote for Reagan if that earns me any brownie points.

What would earn you brownie points would be a logical explanation of why you thought Obama would be a better leader of the country.

Best of luck.

270 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:39:53am

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

Alert

Seven and one half hours (mountain time) until the next episode of L O S T... "Jughead."

We return you to your regularly scheduled blog.

Can't wait!

271 Racer X  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:40:20am

re: #262 avanti

Why is Obama scared of Rush more than he is of Iran?

272 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:40:25am

re: #180 dhg4

During the Bush years, Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and continued to provide the PA with more civil administrative control over large parts of the West Bank. That followed Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000 at the end of the Clinton years.

The Islamists reaction to both? War.

The Hizbullah war of 2006 and the Gaza rocket war, which actually started way back in 2000 when Barak was busy trying to get Arafat to buy into his plan and Arafat didn't even have the common courtesy for a retort. The rocket war started when Israel stopped allowing Palestinians easy access to Israel; therefore the terrorists decided to send the high explosives to Israel via rocket and mortar.

273 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:40:27am

re: #265 Ben Hur

C*ts, not C**ts.

h*h

274 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:40:29am

re: #269 jwb7605

What would earn you brownie points would be a logical explanation of why you thought Obama would be a better leader of the country.

Best of luck.

sure ,,,, saddle the poor guy with an impossible task!

275 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:40:29am

re: #256 WriterMom

How many drinks do you think it will take before they are all ordering their own EggPower sculptures?


Egg power, my ass.

It's the "I have the world by its one remaining ball" sculpture.

276 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:40:31am

re: #259 loppyd

Ply 'em with liquor is Obama's strategy?

Ain't enough good booze in the world that would sway me. Not even 10 cases of Basil Hayden's would sway me.

277 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:40:52am

re: #267 MandyManners

My mom told me last night that that had been dropped.

Nope. That was the contraception part.

278 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:41:06am

re: #254 loppyd

$300+ million on STD prevention.

Yes, and look at what for (according to Drudge):

The House Democrats' bill includes $335 million for sexually transmitted disease education and prevention programs at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

$335 million for STD education and prevention programs at CDC. That's not stimulus. That's a boondoggle for just one more government agency. And no, I don't care if it is used to contract out...and I make my living as a contractor from time to time.

279 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:41:20am

re: #264 FurryOldGuyJeans

If that counts as opposition we certainly don't need cooperation. We definitely won't be able to afford even more pork.

Fox was going off on that earlier.

280 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:41:21am

re: #243 FurryOldGuyJeans

It's MacGyver; sorry dude. ;)

That was season two.

281 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:41:38am

re: #5 lawhawk

The diplomats engage in pseudorealism to make the facts fit their preconceived notions of what the outcome should be...

Diplo-think: The Peace Process requires Partners for Peace, therefore Fatah is a reliable Partner for Peace. Never mind reality.

Meanwhile, it is further curious that Obama would lend his personal prestige to the Palestinian-Israel conflict so early in the first term.

Obama's naivety or narcissism. Or both.

282 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:41:38am

re: #249 MandyManners

It will pass because they'll add more items, like the AMT extender as sweeteners to get the GOP on board.

The Democrats need the GOP to hop on board the Crazy Train because they don't want to take ownership of this mess on their own.

The GOP should tell 'em you bought it. You own it.

283 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:41:45am

re: #271 Racer X

Why is Obama scared of Rush more than he is of Iran?

Rush can convince voters here at home not to support Obama. Iran's over there, and cannot vote in our elections. Thus, Rush is a bigger threat to Obama than Iran.

You gotta think like a Chicago Democrat.

284 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:41:46am

re: #265 Ben Hur

C*ts, not C**ts.

I tought I taw a putty tat.

285 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:41:51am

re: #271 Racer X

Why is Obama scared of Rush more than he is of Iran?

Because Rush is opposed to the man's headlong rush in destroying America. Iran would help.

286 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:41:57am
287 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:42:21am

re: #248 Walter L. Newton

Well, they are saying "flurries" tonight and into tomorrow. I am looking right now at the clouds that are starting to push over the last edge of the mountains, ready to spill into Golden (which is in the foothills), in a valley, right up against the mountains.

They said the same thing Sunday, and by Monday morning we had a half of foot of snow.

That's what makes this all so exciting.

Colorado, Nice!

288 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:42:37am

re: #283 Honorary Yooper

Rush can convince voters here at home not to support Obama. Iran's over there, and cannot vote in our elections. Thus, Rush is a bigger threat to Obama than Iran.

You gotta think like a Chicago Democrat.

I'll schedule my lobotomy and get back to you!

289 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:42:44am

re: #267 MandyManners

My mom told me last night that that had been dropped.

Nope, that was the condom funding. This is a different thing.

290 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:42:50am

Good morning.

WHAT?!

Anyway.

Note to any American Lizardoids under the age of, ooh, say, 30; Victor Davis Hanson thinks y'all sound like a bunhc of femmes.

Something has happened to the generic American male accent. Maybe it is urbanization; perhaps it is now an affectation to sound precise and caring with a patina of intellectual authority; perhaps it is the fashion culture of the metrosexual; maybe it is the influence of the gay community in arts and popular culture. Maybe the ubiquitous new intonation comes from the scarcity of salty old jobs in construction, farming, or fishing. But increasingly to meet a young American male about 25 is to hear a particular nasal stress, a much higher tone than one heard 40 years ago, and, to be frank, to listen to a precious voice often nearly indistinguishable from the female

Get to work on that, lads. My advice; watch lots of movies with John Wayne, Gary Cooper, or James Earl Jones. Listen carefully.

Oh, and stop saying "like" so goddamn much.

That is all.

291 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:43:12am
292 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:43:13am

re: #286 taxfreekiller

The two party evil, stupid, thuggish money cult in D.C. is so busy and face down in the money hog trough, they are not paying attention to the fact that Iran wants every last American dead as a door nail.

They realize it, but they won't do much about it until they figure out how to make a buck off of it.

293 UberInfidel67  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:43:18am

re: #80 jwb7605 Rape is an accepted SOP in Islam. He didn't rape them because he was CIA....he did it because he is muslim. That. Is. What. They. Do.

294 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:43:34am

Seen this?

295 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:43:34am

OT:
For those who are into such things, I now have a Twitter channel set up... We now return to your regularly scheduled programming...

296 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:44:25am

re: #287 DEZes

Colorado, Nice!

My rule is if they are predicting a lot of snow, don't worry about it.
Flurries -- make sure the tire chains are available.

My small plane pilot friends tell me they call in for weather about 20 minutes before they get here in flight. Mountains make it that unreliable.

297 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:44:33am

re: #271 Racer X

Why is Obama scared of Rush more than he is of Iran?

Iran is farther away.

298 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:44:34am

re: #291 MandyManners

Good grief. STD prevention has NOTHING to do with stimulating the economy unless thousands and thousands are unable to work due to their penises rotting and falling off.

But they won, so whatever they do will stimulate something.

/ Leftoid thinking

299 Sunlight  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:44:40am

I have earned my living in the science and technology field for pretty much my entire adult life. Having visited Israel (and seen how fabulous it is), my take on the narrative of Israel is this.

Many Jews in Israel are from Europe and the former Soviet Union (as well as Morocco, Ethiopia and many other areas). The Euros tried to delete the entire Jewish population in Europe and the lands they crossed during WWII. The Russians/FSU countries have tried to delete their Jewish populations for generations. Some Jews managed to get away from these regimes and many have settled in Israel. The country they have created in Israel progressed up to and has now passed, in many fields, the Euros and FSU in science and technology. Some number of EU/FSU leaders/citizens (how many? I don't know. Most? I don't know, but the rest won't stop them) have used Israel's neighbor countries to create obstacles for Israel's progress (since the EU and FSU can't do it by out-performing the Israelis) in order to slow their humiliating advances. I would go so far as to say that the EU and FSU would be pleased to have these neighbors kill the 6 million Jews who escaped their pathetic grip. I don't think President Obama has any inkling of this EU and FSU endeavor, unless it is maybe tepid support or "neutrality". The US does not seem inclined to stand up to the EU/FSU people behind Iran, Syria, Saddam's Iraq, etc. so if I were Israeli, I would vote accordingly in this election.

300 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:44:41am

re: #291 MandyManners

Good grief. STD prevention has NOTHING to do with stimulating the economy unless thousands and thousands are unable to work due to their penises rotting and falling off.

How would that prevent them from working unless they are in pr0n or are male prostitutes?

301 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:44:53am

re: #291 MandyManners

Good grief. STD prevention has NOTHING to do with stimulating the economy unless thousands and thousands are unable to work due to their penises rotting and falling off.

LOL! I thought for a minute there you were talking about those boneheads in Congress.

302 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:45:02am

re: #296 jwb7605

My rule is if they are predicting a lot of snow, don't worry about it.
Flurries -- make sure the tire chains are available.

My small plane pilot friends tell me they call in for weather about 20 minutes before they get here in flight. Mountains make it that unreliable.

Are you seeing the same snow flurry clouds that I am seeing?

303 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:45:25am

re: #249 MandyManners

$200,000,000.00 for new sod on the National Mall? $600,000,000.00 for new government vehicles?

Mandy, the mall renovation was pulled


The STD and some of the other stuff will go soon I predict. The 600 million to buy green vehicles to replace old ones will stay I expect since it'll help Detroit and save energy.

304 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:45:37am

re: #293 UberInfidel67

Rape is an accepted SOP in Islam. He didn't rape them because he was CIA....he did it because he is muslim. That. Is. What. They. Do.

I didn't say anything about the rape, or why.
The idiot was drinking in public. That's a no-no.

305 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:45:42am

re: #296 jwb7605

My rule is if they are predicting a lot of snow, don't worry about it.
Flurries -- make sure the tire chains are available.

My small plane pilot friends tell me they call in for weather about 20 minutes before they get here in flight. Mountains make it that unreliable.

Tire chains are illegal here. :(

306 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:45:43am

re: #278 subsailor68

Yes, and look at what for (according to Drudge):

The House Democrats' bill includes $335 million for sexually transmitted disease education and prevention programs at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

$335 million for STD education and prevention programs at CDC. That's not stimulus. That's a boondoggle for just one more government agency. And no, I don't care if it is used to contract out...and I make my living as a contractor from time to time.

Stimulus the new other white meat.

307 Soona'  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:46:00am

re: #271 Racer X

Why is Obama scared of Rush more than he is of Iran?

Because Dinnerjacket supports the zero.

308 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:46:03am
309 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:46:20am

re: #306 jcm

Stimulus the new other white meat.

Oh now that's funny!

:-)

310 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:46:39am

re: #302 Walter L. Newton

Are you seeing the same snow flurry clouds that I am seeing?

Clear blue skies, 38 degrees, slight breeze.
Move north!

311 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:47:08am

Ugh. Someone else please report my No. 291. I don't know what I was thinking. I apologize.

312 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:47:10am
313 Scion9  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:47:33am

re: #300 loppyd

How would that prevent them from working unless they are in pr0n or are male prostitutes?

Forget about not working. If someone penis rotted off they would probably be questioning rather they want to go on living or not.

314 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:48:04am

re: #303 avanti

Mandy, the mall renovation was pulled

The STD and some of the other stuff will go soon I predict. The 600 million to buy green vehicles to replace old ones will stay I expect since it'll help Detroit and save energy.

The fact that is was even proposed during what Congress and Obama, let alone the FMSM, keep screaming are the worst economic times since the Great Depression, all due to Bush, is the height of ignorance, arrogance, and hypocrisy.

315 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:48:04am

$200,000,000.00 for new sod on the National Mall.

I'd give a months pay to watch the INS pull up and start asking for Green Cards!

316 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:48:05am

This about sums it up:

Far too many Westerners make the mistake of projecting their own views onto Palestinians without really understanding the Palestinian narrative. The “occupation” doesn’t refer to the West Bank and Gaza, and it never has. The “occupation” refers to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. A kibbutz in the center of Israel is “occupied Palestine” according to most. “It makes no sense to a Palestinian to think about a Palestinian state alongside Israel,” Martin Kramer from the Shalem Center in Jerusalem said to me a few days ago. “From the Palestinian perspective, Israel will always exist inside Palestine.”

317 Kragar  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:48:06am

re: #271 Racer X

Why is Obama scared of Rush more than he is of Iran?

Rush is a convenient distraction from having to deal with the real issues.
Iran is one of the real issues.

318 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:48:07am

re: #282 lawhawk

It will pass because they'll add more items, like the AMT extender as sweeteners to get the GOP on board.

The Democrats need the GOP to hop on board the Crazy Train because they don't want to take ownership of this mess on their own.

The GOP should tell 'em you bought it. You own it.

We must demand that they say just that.

319 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:48:24am

re: #271 Racer X

Why is Obama scared of Rush more than he is of Iran?

He's not afraid of him, just does not think he should be the oracle for the GOP. Many on the right agree.

320 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:48:36am

re: #310 jwb7605

Clear blue skies, 38 degrees, slight breeze.
Move north!

Are you looking west? The radar is showing a whole line of clouds all the way down the front range, ready to spill into the Queen City valley.

321 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:48:36am

re: #311 MandyManners

Ugh. Someone else please report my No. 291. I don't know what I was thinking. I apologize.

The Porn industry WAS asking for a bailout...

322 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:48:36am

re: #290 Occasional Reader

CORRECTION:

I meant to write, "Note to any American male Lizardoids under the age of..."

Those of you of the female persuasion are perfectly okay sounding like a bunch of femmes.

But the excessive "like..." observation still applies.

323 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:48:37am

I have 6 neighbors and one has to get stuck in my driveway, I need a drink.

324 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:49:04am

“We will never recognize Israel,” senior Hamas leader Nizar Rayyan said before he was killed by an air strike in Gaza during the recent fighting. “There is nothing called Israel, neither in reality nor in the imagination.”

That WAS his opinion. He is an Ex-opinionator. Typical arab inversion of reality, though. The indigenous Jews returned, and have a prodcutive, democratic state, and yet he considers Israel fictitious as a nation and culture. The entirely fabricated ‘nationality’ of the ‘palestinians’ - designed and maintained by the arab word as a genocidal weapon targeted at the detested Jews, is ‘real’, however. Whatever.

His arrogance in feeling the Jews needed the ‘recognition’ of genocidal savages such as he is telling about the empowerment these people feel - with oil and western anti-semitism as wind at their back.

Fatah Party leader Mahmoud Abbas . . . can’t compromise on the “right of return,” the so-far non-negotiable demand that all Palestinian refugees and their descendants from the 1948 war be allowed to return to settle in Israel.

Here we have one of the key issues. The UN, in the name of he ‘world’, granted the palestinians a one-off definition of what it means to be a refugee - turning it, for this subset of rejectionist arabs, into a hereditary title with claims upon the newly enriched ancestral lands of the Jews.
Where are the legal challenges to this definition? And why does this subset of arabs, out of all the miserable peoples in the world, have a whole UN dept dedicated to perpetuating their refugee status?

Mr. Dershowitz, are you listening?

Jeffrey Goldberg wrote a cautionary note to Israelis in the New York Times that applies just as well to the Obama Administration. “There is a fixed idea among some Israeli leaders that Hamas can be bombed into moderation,”

Germany and Japan were bombed into moderation. So was Serbia, and many others. Are the arab enemies of Israel supermen, that loss of life and limb and property have no effect on them, or are they rather having the game board reset for them all the time, never having to take responsibility or bear the consequences of past actions. Why is this so?

Is there no depth of depravity a ‘culture can sink to before the possibility of a giving them state is taken off the table? Why is delay the only thing they risk? Why must yet a 23 arab dictatorial kleptocracy be created on the 1% of mid eastern land that comprises the Jews’ ancestral homeland? Are there not more worthy candidates for statehood?


But the Middle East will have to change before it is solvable.

Islam will have to change as well. It will take a long time. What’s the rush? In the meantime children are born, grow up, and have and enjoy their own children, in the land of their ancestors. This has been going on since 1948.
Time is on Israel’s side, long term, provided nuclear weapons are kept out of the hands of Arab nations. Opportunities will arise, but not today, and not tomorrow.

325 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:49:07am
326 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:49:11am

re: #311 MandyManners

Ugh. Someone else please report my No. 291. I don't know what I was thinking. I apologize.

No apology needed as far as I can tell. As a guy it kinda makes ya cringe when you think about it, but still pretty funny.

327 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:49:20am

re: #303 avanti

Mandy, the mall renovation was pulled


The STD and some of the other stuff will go soon I predict. The 600 million to buy green vehicles to replace old ones will stay I expect since it'll help Detroit and save energy.

Save energy? How much would it cost us to keep the present fleet?

328 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:49:21am

re: #322 Occasional Reader

CORRECTION:

I meant to write, "Note to any American male Lizardoids under the age of..."

Those of you of the female persuasion are perfectly okay sounding like a bunch of femmes.

But the excessive "like..." observation still applies.

I remind my students that they are not similes.

329 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:49:32am

re: #297 CyanSnowHawk

Iran is farther away.

Iran is tiny, while Rush is sorta tall and kinda paunchy.

330 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:49:33am

re: #315 sattv4u2

$200,000,000.00 for new sod on the National Mall.

I'd give a months pay to watch the INS pull up and start asking for Green Cards!

If I disagree with this expenditure, is it okay for me to call Nancy Pelosi and tell her "sod off"?

331 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:49:41am

re: #311 MandyManners

Ugh. Someone else please report my No. 291. I don't know what I was thinking. I apologize.

You called - I obeyed :-)))

(Mind, it wasn't realy that objectionable - seen worse (not from you!).)

332 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:49:44am

re: #319 avanti

He's not afraid of him, just does not think he should be the oracle for the GOP. Many on the right agree.

The GOP does not have the balls to says they agree with Rush.

333 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:49:52am

re: #311 MandyManners

Ugh. Someone else please report my No. 291. I don't know what I was thinking. I apologize.

I liked it, right to the POINT.

334 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:49:56am

re: #308 Iron Fist

It's stimulating someone's economy. It might be interesting to track down just who's it is.

And how much money they gave the Obamessiah for the recent election campaign.

UAW?

335 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:50:00am

re: #319 avanti

He's not afraid of him, just does not think he should be the oracle for the GOP. Many on the right agree.

You're not only not in the same ballpark, you're not even playing the same SPORT!

336 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:50:15am

Republicans need to vote NO on this stimulus bill. Let the dems own the disaster that it is.
The 0 wants the Rs to vote with him so he can blame them as voting for the bill along with the dems.

337 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:50:17am

re: #319 avanti

He's not afraid of him, just does not think he should be the oracle for the GOP. Many on the right agree.

Know the man's heart and what he thinks again, eh?

338 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:50:50am

i bought flowers today.

339 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:51:20am

re: #324 Maine's Michael

He is an Ex-opinionator.

Excellent!

340 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:51:25am

Holy Shit. Came back from work & found myself in the top 10. My nose is bleeding from the height.

341 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:51:30am

re: #311 MandyManners

I noticed, then went back and looked again when I saw your request here.

Apart from being rather explicit, I think it hits the nail on the head.

/no pun intended

342 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:51:43am

re: #320 Walter L. Newton

Are you looking west? The radar is showing a whole line of clouds all the way down the front range, ready to spill into the Queen City valley.

I went out and got the mail.
Windier than I thought, clouds are snow coming off the mountain range.
Clear blue skies everywhere else.

(for those curious, Walter and I are about 30 miles apart)

343 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:51:50am

re: #284 MandyManners

Putty t*at?

344 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:52:03am

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

Alert

Seven and one half hours (mountain time) until the next episode of L O S T... "Jughead."

We return you to your regularly scheduled blog.


For some reason I thought today was Tuesday and you were wrong. Then it hit me, today is Wednesday.
Did you watch that recap show? There was so much I had either forgotten or hadn't noticed and made the connections.

345 Kragar  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:52:06am

re: #291 MandyManners

Good grief. STD prevention has NOTHING to do with stimulating the economy unless thousands and thousands are unable to work due to their penises rotting and falling off.

I'm shocked MM! How could you say such a thing?

//////

346 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:52:18am

re: #316 Kenneth

It does sum it up - and its yet another point which makes me question the 'wisdom' of our political 'leaders'.

In fact - the older I become, the more stupid they become.

We all here on LGF know this - and I know for a fact that I'm neither a rocket scientist nor a brain surgeon ... other Lizards probably are ...

347 Racer X  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:52:19am

re: #314 FurryOldGuyJeans

The fact that is was even proposed during what Congress and Obama, let alone the FMSM, keep screaming are the worst economic times since the Great Depression, all due to Bush, is the height of ignorance, arrogance, and hypocrisy.

Fackin' A!

I will act like America is in dire economic straights when our politicians do! When they keep padding these "stimulus packages" with the pork spending crap, it just proves they are lying to us again.

348 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:52:29am

re: #324 Maine's Michael

Excellent post!

349 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:52:39am

re: #332 Erik The Red

The GOP does not have the balls to says they agree with Rush.

The GOP guy who criticized Rush yesterday apologized on his show today.

350 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:52:45am
351 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:52:54am

re: #290 Occasional Reader

Amen. And stop frikking saying every statement as though it was a question.

352 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:53:12am

re: #338 nyc redneck

i bought flowers today.

I read a study where women were told they were going to be part of an experiment, but not told what it would be and just to live their lives as normal. Some women were given fresh flowers every week and others were given nothing. The women with the flowers had higher endorphin levels.

353 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:53:17am

re: #342 jwb7605

(for those curious, Walter and I are about 30 miles apart)

a part of what?

354 Scion9  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:53:24am

re: #314 FurryOldGuyJeans

The fact that is was even proposed during what Congress and Obama, let alone the FMSM, keep screaming are the worst economic times since the Great Depression, all due to Bush, is the height of ignorance, arrogance, and hypocrisy.

It is a strategy to make this thing 'bipartisan'. They deliberately lather this thing in lard and get negotiated down from a ridiculous starting position to a slightly less ridiculous end point. Some Republicans get on board, any blowback isn't solely on the Dems, and everyone gets to fawn over Obama's magnanimity in being 'bipartisan'.

355 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:53:32am

re: #324 Maine's Michael

Michael-I just adore you...you know that?

356 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:53:34am

re: #330 Occasional Reader

If I disagree with this expenditure, is it okay for me to call Nancy Pelosi and tell her "sod off"?

Eggscelent! Still thinking of the 0's throbbing egg. Wonder if michelle thinks it has magical powers as well?

357 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:53:35am

re: #314 FurryOldGuyJeans

The fact that is was even proposed during what Congress and Obama, let alone the FMSM, keep screaming are the worst economic times since the Great Depression, all due to Bush, is the height of ignorance, arrogance, and hypocrisy.

Congress is going to try to add any junk they can, Obama needs to put his foot down. He's killed a few so far, he'll kill more, but add some candy for the Republicans. If GW would have stood up to both sides spending, we'd have been better off. I hope the GOP keeps the pressure up to clean up the package and that Obama listens.

358 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:53:50am

Note to Congress:

We have historical precedent for our economic situation.
It it's not as bad, yet, as 1930 or 1980.

In 1930 one plan was tried and the economic travails lasted 11 years.
In 1980 the other plan was tried and problems were solved in 4 years.

We know already what works and what doesn't work.

This then begs the question.

WHY THE F*&% ARE YOU CHOOSING THE ROUTE THAT DOESN'T WORK?

359 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:53:51am

re: #328 goddessoftheclassroom

I remind my students that they are not similes.

Thank you.

And while you're at it? You could instruct them? That they don't have to phrase declarative sentences? As if they were a series of questions?

360 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:53:56am
MandyManners

Good grief. STD prevention has NOTHING to do with stimulating the economy unless thousands and thousands are unable to work due to their penises rotting and falling off.

The Dems idea of Going Green.

361 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:54:10am

re: #343 WriterMom

Putty t*at?

Good gravy!

362 Quintus_Arius  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:54:12am

OT: Charles, rally the lizards. Flood the GOP. They are right. This stimulus bill is a disaster. Vote 'nay'...We'll even get some blue dog Democrats to support a no vote.

You won't believe what's in that stimulus bill....

363 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:54:13am

re: #332 Erik The Red

The GOP does not have the balls to says they agree with Rush.

So far two have come on his show today to agree with him.

364 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:54:24am

OT: littleoldlady asked me to pass this video on to goddessoftheclassroom.

(Some of the language may be MSFW)

The the impotence of proofreading:

365 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:54:35am

re: #349 MandyManners

The GOP guy who criticized Rush yesterday apologized on his show today.

Yea, well. Say one thing to the MSM. Say another to Rush. Vote him out.

366 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:54:44am

re: #328 goddessoftheclassroom

I remind my students that they are not similes.



Didja like hear the teacher this morning?
She's like, "You are not similes!"
And I'm like, "whatever"

367 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:54:47am

re: #359 Occasional Reader

Thank you.

And while you're at it? You could instruct them? That they don't have to phrase declarative sentences? As if they were a series of questions?

Uptalking is a bootable offense at my home.

368 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:55:06am
369 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:55:10am

re: #340 unreconstructed rebel

Holy Shit. Came back from work & found myself in the top 10. My nose is bleeding from the height.

Top 10?

370 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:55:20am

re: #350 Iron Fist

No offense, but since you aren't on the Right, what makes you so sure? I'm not a big listener, but Rush has a lot of influence with the Right. Right now, I'd say he's got more nationwide support from the Right than any likely Republican Presidential candidate. That may change over the next four years, but it is certainly premature to be calling it so.

I find it amazing that "the left" thinks they know what "the right" should be thinking and who they should be paying attention to, all because they won an election.

371 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:55:20am

re: #335 sattv4u2

You're not only not in the same ballpark, you're not even playing the same SPORT!

So many on the right gave us McCain, so why is their opinion of how things are concerning Rush in any way laudable or desirable?

So many people want to ascribe mighty and undue influence to every belch and fart the man makes. I find the projection from the Leftoids about being unquestioning bots to be so amusing.

372 Racer X  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:55:23am

re: #357 avanti

Congress is going to try to add any junk they can, Obama needs to put his foot down. He's killed a few so far, he'll kill more, but add some candy for the Republicans. If GW would have stood up to both sides spending, we'd have been better off. I hope the GOP keeps the pressure up to clean up the package and that Obama listens.

You are so blinded by the Hopiness it is nauseating.

373 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:55:23am

re: #338 nyc redneck

Nothing like fresh cut flowers on the table. INSTANT HAPPY!

374 Kragar  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:55:33am

re: #358 jcm

Note to Congress:

We have historical precedent for our economic situation.
It it's not as bad, yet, as 1930 or 1980.

In 1930 one plan was tried and the economic travails lasted 11 years.
In 1980 the other plan was tried and problems were solved in 4 years.

We know already what works and what doesn't work.

This then begs the question.

WHY THE F*&% ARE YOU CHOOSING THE ROUTE THAT DOESN'T WORK?

Like all good communists, their battlecry is "WE'LL GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME!"

375 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:55:35am

re: #324 Maine's Michael

Islam will have to change as well. It will take a long time. What’s the rush? In the meantime children are born, grow up, and have and enjoy their own children, in the land of their ancestors. This has been going on since 1948.
Time is on Israel’s side, long term, provided nuclear weapons are kept out of the hands of Arab nations. Opportunities will arise, but not today, and not tomorrow.

Thank you for that!

(Quoted because it needs repeating!)

376 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:55:38am

Good night Lizards. Bed time for me, Its been educational as usual. See you on the hopen thread.

377 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:55:50am

re: #230 goddessoftheclassroom

Do you have ties to northeastern Indiana? My dad's family has deep roots in Wells and Huntington Counties.

Does your dad have a sister? In H.S. I chased girls in both counties (Whitley county here). Why, we could be related.......(kidding)

378 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:55:56am

re: #315 sattv4u2

$200,000,000.00 for new sod on the National Mall.

I'd give a months pay to watch the INS pull up and start asking for Green Cards!

Again, the mall renovation was killed, and it was more then sod BTW.

379 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:55:56am

re: #319 avanti

He's not afraid of him, just does not think he should be the oracle for the GOP. Many on the right agree.

Please stick with spewing left-wing rubbish and don't claim to speak for the 'many on the right.' Rush is a radio personality, not the oracle for the GOP.

Face it. Obama attacking Rush is like Dan Quale attacking Murphy Brown. Even though Danny-boy had a point, it showed him as a lightweight. Obama = Lightweight.

380 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:56:01am

re: #254 loppyd

$300+ million on STD prevention.

I know a cheaper way to stop STD's, but it's not much fun

381 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:56:01am

Thank you, Charles!

382 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:56:14am

re: #321 SasquatchOnSteroids

The Porn industry WAS asking for a bailout...

Larry Flint wanted $4 B of "stimulus."

383 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:56:25am

re: #344 newsjunkie_ky

For some reason I thought today was Tuesday and you were wrong. Then it hit me, today is Wednesday.
Did you watch that recap show? There was so much I had either forgotten or hadn't noticed and made the connections.

Four season is a lot of information to retain, especially a show as complex as LOST. I watch the recap show. I thought that it was confusing if you had never watched the series.

For my wrap up of the first 2 episodes, see (shameless self-promotion)

[Link: www.docarzt.com...]

384 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:56:46am

re: #365 faraway

Yea, well. Say one thing to the MSM. Say another to Rush. Vote him out.

I guarantee you that even if he repudiated what he said in a press release, the MFM would ignore him.

385 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:56:54am

re: #368 buzzsawmonkey

Currently, the US is trying to "solve" the problem with a "two-state"--actually, 3- or 4-state--solution which is akin to trying to fit 3 quarts of frogs in a pint pickle pot.

You just don't have the right blender....

386 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:56:58am

re: #369 newsjunkie_ky

Top 10?

Top ten Comments.

387 robdouth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:57:06am

re: #250 faraway

And Obama made a Presidency out of 2 books and a speech

OH SNAP, that my friends is a retort. That's a great new nickname for the One. The McGuyver of politics, although that makes him sound cool. For those people who are Southpark fans, I've called Obama, the "Underpants Gnomes" of politics.

If you know the UP Gnomes, they had a three step plan: Steal Underpants, ?, Profit. Obama's followers are that way:
Elect Obama, Hope n Change?, Utopia.

388 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:57:10am

Mandy I thought that was funny.

389 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:57:15am

re: #336 newsjunkie_ky

Republicans need to vote NO on this stimulus bill. Let the dems own the disaster that it is.
The 0 wants the Rs to vote with him so he can blame them as voting for the bill along with the dems.

i so agree. he wants to spread the responsibility around when the economy fails to respond to HIS disastrous plan. he does not needs the republicans. he wants them for sinister reasons. so the gop will have shite on it too.
VOTE NOT TO THE O.

390 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:57:15am

re: #374 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Like all good communists, their battlecry is "WE'LL GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME!"

Just a few more eggs, it's always just a few more........

391 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:57:32am

re: #359 Occasional Reader

Thank you.

And while you're at it? You could instruct them? That they don't have to phrase declarative sentences? As if they were a series of questions?

In fact, I do! When I call on them and they use that intonation, I say, "Are you asking me or telling me?" I've managed to retrain several of them.

392 bellamags  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:58:00am

OT -
You know whats worse than an idiot driver that cuts you off in traffic and then drives slow? An idiot driver that cuts you off in traffic that has an OBAMA commie-interpretation of the American flag decal in the window and then drives slow. ARGGGGH

393 Bogart  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:58:02am

240
Agreed. The final comment was meant as a satirical total understatement of the nuclear result. Just a little dark gallows humor. Bogart

394 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:58:15am

re: #352 loppyd

I read a study where women were told they were going to be part of an experiment, but not told what it would be and just to live their lives as normal. Some women were given fresh flowers every week and others were given nothing. The women with the flowers had higher endorphin levels.

Really?
Thats interesting ...
However - what about the poor ones, like me, who get the sneezes when sharing a room with flowers?

395 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:58:19am

re: #366 Kenneth


Didja like hear the teacher this morning?
She's like, "You are not similes!"
And I'm like, "whatever"

ROTFL! BRILLIANT!

396 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:58:28am
397 BatGuano  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:58:28am

re: #290 Occasional Reader

My voice is deep, strong, manly and nobody would mistake me for a metrosexual and I hate hearing the simile "like", when there is no simile. When someone says, "I'm like..". They have no idea what they are talking about.
Women sense my power, but I deny them essence.

398 jorline  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:58:29am

Originally the libs had over a half billion in the Stimulus Plan for sex ed.

Now $335,000,000 FOR STD PREVENTION IN ECONOMIC STIMULUS BILL

In the past, the CDC has used STD education funding for programs that many Members of Congress find objectionable and arguably unrelated to a mission of economic stimulus [such as funding events called 'Booty Call' and 'Great Sex' put on by an organization that received $698,000 in government funds.]

"Whether this funding has merit is not the question; the point is it has no business in an economic plan supposedly focused on job creation," says a stimulated Hill source.

At least one person on the Hill is thinking with the head on his/hers shoulders.

What's Obama going to stimulate with these expenditures?

399 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:58:44am

re: #362 Quintus_Arius

OT: Charles, rally the lizards. Flood the GOP. They are right. This stimulus bill is a disaster. Vote 'nay'...We'll even get some blue dog Democrats to support a no vote.

You won't believe what's in that stimulus bill....


Top 20 Fast Facts About the House Democrats' Trillion Dollar Spending Plan

400 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:58:53am

re: #351 WriterMom

Amen. And stop frikking saying every statement as though it was a question.

FOCMTA (Fusty Old Codger Minds Think Alike)

401 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:59:00am

re: #391 goddessoftheclassroom

One WriterKid got the lesson about asking to go to the bathroom.

Q: Can I go to the bathroom, please?
A: I don't know-can you? Do you know how?
Q: May I please go to the bathroom?
A: Yes, you may.

402 Kragar  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:59:04am

The pron industry bailout makes as much financial sense as the TARP, auto dealer and other "stimulus" money burnings make.

403 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:59:16am

re: #368 buzzsawmonkey

The US coming out clearly for the repatriation of the so-called "palestinian" Arabs in the territories to Egypt, Jordan and Syria would go a long way towards solving the current jihadi problem.

Currently, the US is trying to "solve" the problem with a "two-state"--actually, 3- or 4-state--solution which is akin to trying to fit 3 quarts of frogs in a pint pickle pot. Nonetheless, the US is still excoriated by Arabs--"palestinian" and non-"palestinian" alike--for favoring Israel, merely because it does not come out openly for Israel's destruction, and attacks on the US use that supposed favoritism as one of its excuses.

Since the US is already being slanged for its supposed favoritism, it would do better to openly favor Israel than attempt to curry favor with people for whom currying favor is merely an open door to demanding additional concessions. The US is already considered a partisan of Israel, and it would lose nothing.

At the same time, such an overt slap in the face to the lies of the Ummah would convey to it that the Era of Truckling is over. As it is strength and confidence that the Arabs respect, slapping them, figuratively, in the face might well bring better behavior from them. If it does not--if, instead, it causes the Arab states to respond with openly warlike behavior--better that than being surreptitiously stabbed in the back as we are being stabbed now.

I don't see Syria, Jordan or Egypt taking them back. However, let's say that they do. What's to guarantee that they will absorb them into their society? What's to guarantee that they won't stick them in a refugee camp and STILL blame Israel?

404 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:59:30am

re: #345 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm shocked MM! How could you say such a thing?

//////


although it's quite stimulating don't cha think?

405 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:59:45am

re: #357 avanti

I am far less optimistic about the direction we are going than you are. I don't see Hope! and Change! rhetoric as anything substantive.

406 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:59:47am

re: #397 BatGuano

You are one bad dude! Denying women your essence and a deep manly voice!

407 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:59:52am

re: #358 jcm

Note to Congress:

We have historical precedent for our economic situation.
It it's not as bad, yet, as 1930 or 1980.

In 1930 one plan was tried and the economic travails lasted 11 years.
In 1980 the other plan was tried and problems were solved in 4 years.

We know already what works and what doesn't work.

This then begs the question.

WHY THE F*&% ARE YOU CHOOSING THE ROUTE THAT DOESN'T WORK?

Because PB0 wants to be rememberd as an even better Prez than FDR.

408 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:59:55am

re: #378 avanti

Again, the mall renovation was killed, and it was more then sod BTW.

Again, I'd give a months pay to watch the INS pull up and start asking for Green Cards!

Don't think for a moment it won't re-emerge in some other form of pork, in or outside of the realm of this "stimulus package"!
Tell you what. I'll bet YOU a months salary that by next Presidential election cycle, the mall project will be started

409 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:00:00pm

re: #394 yma o hyd

Really?
Thats interesting ...
However - what about the poor ones, like me, who get the sneezes when sharing a room with flowers?

Any flowers?

410 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:00:02pm

re: #357 avanti

Congress is going to try to add any junk they can, Obama needs to put his foot down. He's killed a few so far, he'll kill more, but add some candy for the Republicans. If GW would have stood up to both sides spending, we'd have been better off. I hope the GOP keeps the pressure up to clean up the package and that Obama listens.

He shouldn't have to put a foot down. He promised no pork, no handouts to special interests, no pandering. He promised that BEFORE he was elected.

And you say clean up the package. Most of the package is PORK. If they clean it up, it would turn out to be kosher.

I guess you're happy to accept the lies of both sides, then watch them make believe they are doing US a favor, and still walk away with all the payola.

You sir, are damn easy to fool.

411 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:00:02pm

re: #351 WriterMom

Amen. And stop frikking saying every statement as though it was a question.

I didn't know this a problem in Canuckistan as well.

412 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:00:04pm

re: #377 The Shadow Do

Does your dad have a sister? In H.S. I chased girls in both counties (Whitley county here). Why, we could be related.......(kidding)

No, Daddy was an only child, but my ancestors were pioneers in that area--we could well be distantly related!

413 BatGuano  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:00:08pm

re: #397 BatGuano

thaat should be "my essence".

414 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:00:11pm

re: #328 goddessoftheclassroom

I remind my students that they are not similes.

Clever!

415 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:00:14pm

re: #401 WriterMom

One WriterKid got the lesson about asking to go to the bathroom.

Q: Can I go to the bathroom, please?
A: I don't know-can you? Do you know how?
Q: May I please go to the bathroom?
A: Yes, you may.

My teacher's answer to "Can I go to the bathroom?" was always, "I'd hope so! Otherwise, you'd probably have exploded by now!"

416 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:00:22pm

re: #382 jcm

$4 billion for porn? If he's asking for that much, I better see feelavision.

417 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:00:34pm

re: #400 Occasional Reader

ETGBSAB
(Evil Twin Gentile Brother Separated At Birth)

418 bellamags  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:00:56pm

re: #396 Iron Fist

I just wanted to thank you for my giggle fit last night as I was trying to go to sleep.

419 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:00:57pm
420 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:01:07pm

re: #401 WriterMom

One WriterKid got the lesson about asking to go to the bathroom.

Q: Can I go to the bathroom, please?
A: I don't know-can you? Do you know how?
Q: May I please go to the bathroom?
A: Yes, you may.

I ask me students who used that structure if they are potty-trained.

421 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:01:49pm

re: #396 Iron Fist

Certainly the UAW was a big investor in the Democratic Ticket, but with the STD pork I'd suspect Planned Parenthood/Abortions-R-Us™ as the culprit. And they, too, were heavy investors in the candidacy of the One True Obamessiah.

I was thinking about the $600,000,000.00 new fleet of federal cars. Is it needed right now?

422 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:02:14pm
423 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:02:18pm

re: #421 MandyManners

I was thinking about the $600,000,000.00 new fleet of federal cars. Is it needed right now?

Hell no.

424 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:02:19pm
425 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:02:19pm

re: #420 goddessoftheclassroom

I ask me students who used that structure if they are potty-trained.

Goddess, did you see the video LOL asked me to share with you at#364?

426 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:02:24pm

re: #378 avanti

Again, the mall renovation was killed, and it was more then sod BTW.

The fact that is was even proposed is the height of ignorance, arrogance, and hypocrisy from Congress and Obama. Bad economy? MORE PORK!

FUCKING HYPOCRITES, ALL!

427 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:02:25pm

re: #387 robdouth

OH SNAP, that my friends is a retort. That's a great new nickname for the One. The McGuyver of politics, although that makes him sound cool. For those people who are Southpark fans, I've called Obama, the "Underpants Gnomes" of politics.

If you know the UP Gnomes, they had a three step plan: Steal Underpants, ?, Profit. Obama's followers are that way:
Elect Obama, Hope n Change?, Utopia.

McGyver of Politics does sound cool, but how about McGruber of Politics?

You know, the character on SNL that blows himself up every week.

428 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:02:41pm

re: #416 lawhawk

$4 billion for porn? If he's asking for that much, I better see feelavision.

My Rebate Check made out directly to a Massage Parlor

429 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:02:57pm

re: #406 WriterMom

You are one bad dude! Denying women your essence and a deep manly voice!

Feeling a little frisky today, are we?

Its 10 below here.

I could use a little warmth.

430 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:03:11pm

re: #352 loppyd

I read a study where women were told they were going to be part of an experiment, but not told what it would be and just to live their lives as normal. Some women were given fresh flowers every week and others were given nothing. The women with the flowers had higher endorphin levels.

ooh i know it's true.
i even like photographs of flowers.
today i got tangerine lilies. (even tho i couldn't afford to.)

431 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:03:13pm

re: #367 Silhouette

Uptalking is a bootable offense at my home.

Is that the term for it? Sounds right.

432 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:03:20pm

re: #397 BatGuano

My voice is deep, strong, manly and nobody would mistake me for a metrosexual and I hate hearing the simile "like", when there is no simile. When someone says, "I'm like..". They have no idea what they are talking about.
Women sense my power, but I deny them essence.

Not gonna' even think of going there.

433 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:03:24pm

re: #336 newsjunkie_ky

Republicans need to vote NO on this stimulus bill. Let the dems own the disaster that it is.
The 0 wants the Rs to vote with him so he can blame them as voting for the bill along with the dems.


The economy will recover eventually with or without the piece of garbage. The dems are counting on a recovery so they can say it's because of the bill, but there is too little in that package that will encourage anything productive.

434 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:03:28pm

re: #426 FurryOldGuyJeans

The fact that is was even proposed is the height of ignorance, arrogance, and hypocrisy from Congress and Obama. Bad economy? MORE PORK!

FUCKING HYPOCRITES, ALL!

No kidding, see my re: #410 Walter L. Newton

435 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:03:48pm

re: #412 goddessoftheclassroom

No, Daddy was an only child, but my ancestors were pioneers in that area--we could well be distantly related!

Hey, cuz....whatup?

436 bellamags  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:03:49pm

re: #428 sattv4u2

My Rebate Check made out directly to a Massage Parlor

Do you mean a massage therapy center?

437 Racer X  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:04:25pm

re: #399 newsjunkie_ky

Top 20 Fast Facts About the House Democrats' Trillion Dollar Spending Plan

Our politicians are sick, just SICK.

Bastards.

438 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:04:27pm
439 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:04:34pm

re: #249 MandyManners

$200,000,000.00 for new sod on the National Mall? $600,000,000.00 for new government vehicles?

GREEN!

440 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:04:34pm

re: #422 buzzsawmonkey

Sanctions or aid cessation to any nation which does not grant citizenship to those relocated. Relocation payments to them.

And if any of the countries step out of line, later, treat them accordingly.

I bet Jordand does remember Black September.

441 BatGuano  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:04:42pm

re: #412 goddessoftheclassroom

Hi Goddess,
Didn't you have a class assignment about Ayn Rand? I'm just asking how that went.

442 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:04:46pm

re: #430 nyc redneck

ooh i know it's true.
i even like photographs of flowers.
today i got tangerine lilies. (even tho i couldn't afford to.)

It took me 35 years to train my husband to buy me flowers every week.

Now I just have to get him to buy me bling (and let me have a kitten)

443 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:04:54pm

re: #431 Occasional Reader

Is that the term for it? Sounds right.

It's a Seinfeld thing. Because the voice goes up at the end.

444 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:04:59pm

re: #420 goddessoftheclassroom

I ask me students who used that structure if they are potty-trained.

uh, with respect ... I think you need more coffee

{goddess}

445 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:05:02pm

re: #410 Walter L. Newton

He shouldn't have to put a foot down. He promised no pork, no handouts to special interests, no pandering. He promised that BEFORE he was elected.

And you say clean up the package. Most of the package is PORK. If they clean it up, it would turn out to be kosher.

I guess you're happy to accept the lies of both sides, then watch them make believe they are doing US a favor, and still walk away with all the payola.

You sir, are damn easy to fool.

Walter, that is a classic.

446 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:05:04pm

re: #436 bellamags

Do you mean a massage therapy center?

yeah ,, thats it ,, the ones with those skimpily clad young Asian women

((ummm,, don't EVEN ask me how I know about those! Itwas a college research paper I had to do,. I tell ya ! Yeah ,, thats it !)

447 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:05:08pm

re: #403 MandyManners

In fact, there already are Palestinian refugees in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan & Egypt, And guess what? They are all confined to refugee camps and are not allowed to become citizens.

448 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:05:33pm

re: #430 nyc redneck

ooh i know it's true.
i even like photographs of flowers.
today i got tangerine lilies. (even tho i couldn't afford to.)

Lovely. I usually splurge when I'm at Whole Foods. I'm already spending more than I can afford so what the hay?

449 BBev  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:05:35pm

re: #421 MandyManners

I was thinking about the $600,000,000.00 new fleet of federal cars. Is it needed right now?

I would rather that they buy new cars then bail out the auto industry and put all the old ones up for auction open to the public. Might be a good thing for many people

450 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:05:36pm

re: #397 BatGuano

My voice is deep, strong, manly and nobody would mistake me for a metrosexual and I hate hearing the simile "like", when there is no simile. When someone says, "I'm like..". They have no idea what they are talking about.
Women sense my power, but I deny them essence.

You know what I think? I think you're some kind of deviated prevert. I think Charles Johnson found out about your preversion, and that you were organizing some kind of mutiny of lizardoid preverts.

451 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:06:08pm

re: #427 subsailor68

McGyver of Politics does sound cool, but how about McGruber of Politics?

You know, the character on SNL that blows himself up every week.

AHEM! It's MacGyver, not McGyver or McGiver. ;)

452 Kragar  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:06:12pm

re: #446 sattv4u2

yeah ,, thats it ,, the ones with those skimpily clad young Asian women

((ummm,, don't EVEN ask me how I know about those! Itwas a college research paper I had to do,. I tell ya ! Yeah ,, thats it !)

Well, at least it sounds like the story had a happy ending.

453 BatGuano  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:06:19pm

re: #406 WriterMom

Yeah, that's the way I roll.

454 robdouth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:06:46pm

re: #421 MandyManners

I was thinking about the $600,000,000.00 new fleet of federal cars. Is it needed right now?

600 million in smart cars for dumbasses.

455 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:06:51pm

re: #452 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, at least it sounds like the story had a happy ending.

Lets say it rubbed me the right way!

456 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:06:54pm

re: #418 bellamags

I just wanted to thank you for my giggle fit last night as I was trying to go to sleep.

Get a room, you two.

457 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:06:59pm

re: #449 BBev

I would rather that they buy new cars then bail out the auto industry and put all the old ones up for auction open to the public. Might be a good thing for many people

As long as they are US made.

458 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:07:17pm

re: #434 Walter L. Newton

No kidding, see my re: #410 Walter L. Newton

I said it twice so he'd have a harder time trying to ignore it. ;)

459 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:07:20pm

re: #445 formercorpsman

Walter, that is a classic.

Thanks. And you notice Avanti seems to ignore a question when it is straight and to the point.

He spends most of his time here NOT answering questions, but simply shifting from one foot to the other.

460 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:07:24pm

re: #425 gmsc

Goddess, did you see the video LOL asked me to share with you at#364?

OMG! TOO FUNNY! I'm sending this to all my teacher friends...Thank you so much!

461 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:07:24pm

re: #447 Kenneth

In fact, there already are Palestinian refugees in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan & Egypt, And guess what? They are all confined to refugee camps and are not allowed to become citizens.

I knew about Lebanon but, not about the other three. Rank hypocrisy.

462 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:07:27pm
463 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:07:31pm

re: #409 loppyd

Any flowers?

All those which shed pollen.
I've never been that keen on the hothouse flowers - they're nice, but don't do it for me.
I love getting wild flowers, from roadsides or paddocks, pathways, you name it. And grasses.
But, erm, its always sneeze-time pdq ...
Still - its definitely worth it!

464 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:07:36pm
465 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:07:37pm

re: #444 pre-Boomer Marine brat

uh, with respect ... I think you need more coffee

{goddess}

That'll get you a 10 page book report due by Friday!

466 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:08:00pm

re: #405 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am far less optimistic about the direction we are going than you are. I don't see Hope! and Change! rhetoric as anything substantive.

Believe me I get that, only time will tell if my hope was misplaced.

467 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:08:11pm

re: #449 BBev

I would rather that they buy new cars then bail out the auto industry and put all the old ones up for auction open to the public. Might be a good thing for many people

Would that $600,000,000.00 bail out the industry?

468 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:08:16pm

re: #451 FurryOldGuyJeans

AHEM! It's MacGyver, not McGyver or McGiver. ;)

Oops. My bad. But given the rather testy nature of your reply, I'm thinkin' maybe McGryuver was your favoritest show.

:-)

469 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:08:22pm

re: #432 MandyManners

I already took care of it.

470 bellamags  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:08:22pm

re: #456 Occasional Reader

Get a room, you two.

dude, thats not what I meant. LOL. One of his comments as I logged off got me laughing so hard, I couldn't stop.

471 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:08:23pm

re: #460 goddessoftheclassroom

OMG! TOO FUNNY! I'm sending this to all my teacher friends...Thank you so much!

You're welcome!

LOL and I figured you'd like it.

472 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:08:28pm

re: #429 Maine's Michael

Feeling a little frisky today, are we?

Its 10 below here.

I could use a little warmth.

You must be waaay up.

I have family in N. Whitefield.

473 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:08:54pm

re: #461 MandyManners

The Pali refugee camps in Syria are basically terrorist training centers.

474 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:09:00pm

re: #464 Iron Fist

Hell, go all the way (and I do mean all the way) and have them make it out to the Moonlight Bunnyranch. It should be tax deductible as, um, stress Bank Account relief :-)

!

:)

475 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:09:09pm

re: #451 FurryOldGuyJeans

AHEM! It's MacGyver, not McGyver or McGiver. ;)

And I bridle at comparing him to Obama. Gah. MacGyver would have used his Swiss Army Knife to nullify all those fraudulent ACORN votes.

476 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:09:14pm

re: #450 Occasional Reader

preverts

477 opnion  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:09:20pm

If the Republicans oppose Obama initiatives it will invigorate the Party.
The Democrats will call them obstructionists for the mid term elections, but by then Obama will not look so good.
The Republicans can look like heroes & recapture the Congress.

478 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:09:42pm

re: #463 yma o hyd

All those which shed pollen.
I've never been that keen on the hothouse flowers - they're nice, but don't do it for me.
I love getting wild flowers, from roadsides or paddocks, pathways, you name it. And grasses.
But, erm, its always sneeze-time pdq ...
Still - its definitely worth it!

I agree!

479 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:09:58pm

re: #450 Occasional Reader

You know what I think? I think you're some kind of deviated prevert. I think Charles Johnson found out about your preversion, and that you were organizing some kind of mutiny of lizardoid preverts.

Deviated pervert? Are you saying there is such a thing as a normal pervert?

Oh, wait. You said "prevert". I reckon that's different then. Never mind.

480 BBev  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:10:01pm

re: #457 loppyd

As long as they are US made.

you bet.

481 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:10:05pm
482 dentate  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:10:10pm

re: #419 buzzsawmonkey

I thought "wuzlike" had become a recognized verb in current Standard English, conjugated thus:

I wuzlike
you wurlike
he, she, it wuzlike
we wurlike
they wurlike

It's, you know, kind of like, you know, the sort of thing that could get you, you know, like, thought of as a, like, you know, lousy speaker.

483 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:10:18pm

re: #401 WriterMom

One WriterKid got the lesson about asking to go to the bathroom.

Q: Can I go to the bathroom, please?
A: I don't know-can you? Do you know how?
Q: May I please go to the bathroom?
A: Yes, you may.

Ugh.

484 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:10:20pm

re: #438 Iron Fist

Yeah, they couldn't be encouraging behavior that would, like, lose us votes in the next election. Could they? It would shake my faith in the goodness of human nature if I were to find that they were doing something like that.

I'd agree with that, but don't have enough sarcasm tags. Live with the upding.

485 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:10:21pm

re: #429 Maine's Michael

-10 C and you are cold? Or F?

If it's -10 C and you're cold you're a [censored].

486 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:10:28pm

re: #449 BBev

I would rather that they buy new cars then bail out the auto industry and put all the old ones up for auction open to the public. Might be a good thing for many people

One of the original proposals for the auto bailout that got shot down nearly immediately was getting a "fleet discount" for buying newer vehicles. That was the one and only bailout proposal I found anywhere close to being potable.

487 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:10:30pm

re: #477 opnion

If the Republicans oppose Obama initiatives it will invigorate the Party.
The Democrats will call them obstructionists for the mid term elections, but by then Obama will not look so good.
The Republicans can look like heroes & recapture the Congress.

I hope not only that you're right, but that the Republicans realize this, as well.

488 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:10:35pm

re: #476 WriterMom

preverts like pr0n.

489 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:10:45pm

re: #454 robdouth

600 million in smart cars for dumbasses.

Not all federal employees are dumbasses.

490 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:11:03pm

re: #458 FurryOldGuyJeans

I said it twice so he'd have a harder time trying to ignore it. ;)

He ignore anything that he didn't ask himself. That's all Avanti does, is pose a question, answers his own question with a retort and then uses that retort to continue on down the thread.

If you look closely at his comments on any given thread, all of them, in context, you realize that he has been talking to himself for hours.

Avanti must be lonely.

491 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:11:13pm

re: #367 Silhouette

I love that term. Consider that liberated!

492 Scion9  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:11:19pm

re: #402 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The pron industry bailout makes as much financial sense as the TARP, auto dealer and other "stimulus" money burnings make.

Eh, even though I don't think you are serious...

The fundamental difference between the porn industry and say, the auto industry is that the auto industry relies on a lot of people with specialized skills, proprietary manufacturing technology, and lots of raw materials and inventory, none of which is true about porn. If that industry evaporated overnight it wouldn't be a massive 'waste' of resources. No 'porn factories' full of equipment sit empty, and highly educated 'porn engineers' wind up with useless degrees and years of experience in a non-existent field.

493 robdouth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:11:21pm

re: #457 loppyd

As long as they are US made.

Technically this stimulus packages is American made, so I'm not always into buying American...

494 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:11:31pm

re: #441 BatGuano

Hi Goddess,
Didn't you have a class assignment about Ayn Rand? I'm just asking how that went.

Oh, it's going really well! It's generating great discussions. One of the students has already started reading Atlas Shrugged on his own, What's really cool is that those kids are telling their friends about it, and they're coming to me to borrow a copy for themselves.

My own son (7th grade) remarked on the similarities with Lois Lowry's The Giver, and how awful it was that the characters were taken from their mothers and raised without families. I found that really touching.

495 Soona'  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:11:32pm

re: #397 BatGuano

My voice is deep, strong, manly and nobody would mistake me for a metrosexual and I hate hearing the simile "like", when there is no simile. When someone says, "I'm like..". They have no idea what they are talking about.
Women sense my power, but I deny them essence.

And all with the nic of BatGuano. My hat is off to you.
//:)

496 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:11:42pm

re: #408 sattv4u2

Again, I'd give a months pay to watch the INS pull up and start asking for Green Cards!

Don't think for a moment it won't re-emerge in some other form of pork, in or outside of the realm of this "stimulus package"!
Tell you what. I'll bet YOU a months salary that by next Presidential election cycle, the mall project will be started

You may be right, but renovation of the National mall is not pork, and will make jobs. Building Clinton's Woodstock museum was pork though, as was the bridge to no where.

497 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:11:46pm
498 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:11:48pm

WriterMom and Mandy: If you don't get the "preverts" reference, get thee to a viewing of Dr. Strangelove, pronto.

499 robdouth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:11:52pm

re: #489 MandyManners

Not all federal employees are dumbasses.

I meant the people buying them, not using them.

500 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:11:53pm
501 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:11:54pm

re: #449 BBev

I would rather that they buy new cars then bail out the auto industry and put all the old ones up for auction open to the public. Might be a good thing for many people

It would be so much better to let capitalism work and do its magic.

502 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:12:01pm
503 BBev  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:12:03pm

re: #467 MandyManners

Would that $600,000,000.00 bail out the industry?

I don't think it would but I really don't like just giving them money for no return

504 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:12:16pm

re: #493 robdouth

Technically this stimulus packages is American made, so I'm not always into buying American...

Good point, but you know what I mean. I think. LOL

505 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:12:20pm

re: #468 subsailor68

Oops. My bad. But given the rather testy nature of your reply, I'm thinkin' maybe McGryuver was your favoritest show.

:-)

Testy? Me, being testy?!? HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!

Why I oughta..... ;)

506 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:12:23pm

re: #488 loppyd

preverts like prefer pr0n.

507 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:12:30pm

re: #483 Ben Hur

Not my lesson! The teacher!

Hahahhahaha.

I would be like, go make a pee already, like OKAAAAAAAAAY?

508 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:12:34pm

re: #336 newsjunkie_ky

Republicans need to vote NO on this stimulus bill. Let the dems own the disaster that it is.
The 0 wants the Rs to vote with him so he can blame them as voting for the bill along with the dems.

Heartily agree. The Republicans need to close ranks on this and present the American people a clear choice. Any republicans joining in will merely be used as cover by the Democrats when it fails.
Any waivering republicans also need to bear in mind that if they are thinking that this might work and that's why they need to support it - they still lose. Because even if it works (which it won't), they won't get credit for helping. The MFM will just portray them as half hearted supporters and convince people to vote for the real McCoy......democrats

509 BatGuano  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:12:34pm

re: #450 Occasional Reader

We deviated lizard preverts stick together. You got a problem? You'l have to answer to the CocaCola company.

510 nikis-knight  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:12:36pm

Palestinian right of return makes me gag.
Why did they leave in the first place? So that their cousins could murder their neighbors with a clean conscience.
spit
They made their bed, they can lie in it.

511 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:12:48pm

re: #479 MandyManners

Deviated pervert? Are you saying there is such a thing as a normal pervert?

Yes, I would say that would be a person who's perversions does not harm to another person.

512 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:13:02pm

re: #459 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. And you notice Avanti seems to ignore a question when it is straight and to the point.

He spends most of his time here NOT answering questions, but simply shifting from one foot to the other.

Shifting from one foot to the other ... aww ... in the context of the preceding posts on this subject I gotta ask - is he potty-trained?

513 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:13:04pm

re: #467 MandyManners

Would that $600,000,000.00 bail out the industry?

My question is whether all the government cars will get 35+ mpg.
If not, the government will be hypocritical (but I repeat myself ...)

If true, will citizens all be driving black sedans shortly?

514 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:13:13pm

re: #506 Occasional Reader

and choosy moms choose Jif!

515 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:13:13pm

re: #506 Occasional Reader

Gentlemen prefer blondes.

/with recalibrated Zionist Hair Beams

516 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:13:18pm

re: #496 avanti

You may be right, but renovation of the National mall is not pork, and will make jobs. Building Clinton's Woodstock museum was pork though, as was the bridge to no where.

Just what the fuck would YOU classify as pork then?!?

517 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:13:22pm

re: #497 buzzsawmonkey

Like those in Gaza, the West Bank, and everywhere else are not?

Beat me to it. I think it's great that the "camps" in Syria make them feel like they're at "home".

/

518 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:13:41pm

re: #444 pre-Boomer Marine brat

uh, with respect ... I think you need more coffee

{goddess}

I'm on a typo spree today! Whoopee!

(I shudder to think of what your comments would be if you didn't really like me!)

519 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:13:43pm

re: #462 buzzsawmonkey

One more thing. As I said in a prior thread, you don't start out a negotiation from the point where you think the other person will accept. You start out from where you want to--that is, if you want to get what you want.

By starting any further negotiations from the point of relocating being the plan, you've raised the bar to where the other side has to offer concessions to get you to abandon your position. That's a hell of a better starting place than, "please please pretty please won't you just try a little to moderate your murderous behavior?"

The other thing is that a quitclaim payment--"this is it; the gravy train stops; one big payment and you're on your own"--even a large one, is a hell of a lot cheaper than being bled for a few more decades by perennial welfare cheats who continue to proliferate because they don't have to support their children. That's what we're feeding, and it does neither us nor the Arabs any good.

Final payment, and then bye-bye.

Do we have anyone in State who has that kind of back bone?

520 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:13:52pm

re: #505 FurryOldGuyJeans

Testy? Me, being testy?!? HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!

Why I oughta..... ;)

Uh oh. (runs away - always being sure to serpentine.)

521 robdouth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:13:59pm

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

Yes, I would say that would be a person who's perversions does not harm to another person.

Perverts are ok, it's those damn perverted perverts you gotta watch out for.

522 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:14:01pm
523 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:14:13pm
524 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:14:14pm

re: #494 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, it's going really well! It's generating great discussions. One of the students has already started reading Atlas Shrugged on his own, What's really cool is that those kids are telling their friends about it, and they're coming to me to borrow a copy for themselves.

My own son (7th grade) remarked on the similarities with Lois Lowry's The Giver, and how awful it was that the characters were taken from their mothers and raised without families. I found that really touching.

Great book! I've read it before, and I'm listening to the unabridged audiobook as I get the time (I've only up to the second chapter, where Hank Rearden has just given his wife the Rearden metal bracelet).

525 dentate  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:14:27pm

re: #462 buzzsawmonkey


Final payment, and then bye-byebuy-buy.

Buzzsaw economic stimulus program?

526 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:14:41pm

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

would be a person who's perversions

[safety clicks off OR's English Nagging Gun]

527 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:14:43pm
528 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:14:43pm

The Addicted Palestinians
Bill Siegel

If President Barack Obama is about to usher the U.S. back into the “world family,” it is high time the world started to face up to some of its family issues. Simply put, we have at least one relative who has become the family addict. And we family members live in a deep, almost impenetrable state of denial.

Stepping back from the various news reports and commentaries about the Israeli-Hamas battle, a simple notion accounts for most of the arguments on either side—responsibility. How responsibility is allocated among the parties determines virtually everything that is said on the topic.

In short, those who in some sense side with Hamas or the Palestinians in general necessarily hold Israel responsible for Palestinian actions. This is the very same process addicts utilize to rationalize their own behavior, and the Palestinians and their sympathizers have employed it for decades.

Just as an addict inalterably blames his condition on others, Israel (and peripherally the U.S.) is held responsible for Palestinian terrorism and hatred. A laundry list of excuses and rationalizations of causation have been spewed and accepted across the world...

...Former President Jimmy Carter, in need of immediate help from Al-Anon, added to the list such items as Israel's refusal to expand “ceasefire talks” beyond Gaza and the legitimizing of Hamas’s rockets as the only reasonable response to Israel’s starving of 1.5 million Gazans. Carter’s disease led him to even label Hamas’s tunnels -- through which it smuggles its weapons -- “defensive tunnel(s).” What is constant is the presupposition that Palestinian behavior would be different if Israeli behavior were different.

Brilliant! RTWT!

529 BBev  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:14:46pm

re: #486 FurryOldGuyJeans

One of the original proposals for the auto bailout that got shot down nearly immediately was getting a "fleet discount" for buying newer vehicles. That was the one and only bailout proposal I found anywhere close to being potable.

I agree, it's a win win situation

530 AuntAcid  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:14:48pm

As we go forward...

"Any new venture goes through the following stages: enthusiasm, complication, disillusionment, search for the guilty, punishment of the innocent, and decoration of those who did nothing."

531 robdouth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:14:52pm

re: #516 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just what the fuck would YOU classify as pork then?!?

The other white meat...

532 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:14:53pm

re: #496 avanti

You may be right, but renovation of the National mall is not pork, and will make jobs. Building Clinton's Woodstock museum was pork though, as was the bridge to no where.

It will not make jobs. People who are already on the payroll will lay that sod.

533 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:15:02pm

re: #512 yma o hyd

Shifting from one foot to the other ... aww ... in the context of the preceding posts on this subject I gotta ask - is he potty-trained?

He couldn't find the jacks if he tripped over it. That's my second favorite word of the week. It's used in our current production at the theatre, which is an Irish work by Conor McPherson.

Also has a lot of fookers in it.

534 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:15:13pm

re: #520 subsailor68

Uh oh. (runs away - always being sure to serpentine.)

I ate snakes during my Navy days at JEST school. ;)

535 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:15:14pm

re: #453 BatGuano

Works for me.

536 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:15:24pm

re: #393 Bogart

Use the reply or quote buttons when responding to someone. It makes it easier to backtrack and catch the meaning if desired.

Welcome.

537 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:15:31pm

re: #469 WriterMom

I already took care of it.

Manly essences, indeed.

538 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:15:46pm

re: #485 WriterMom

-10 C and you are cold? Or F?

If it's -10 C and you're cold you're a [censored].

We use F here in the USA, dontcha know.

Nights have been -40 lately.

539 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:15:50pm
540 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:16:00pm

re: #459 Walter L. Newton

I notice.

To be honest, I actually like prefer having folks like similar to him arguing such points of view. It prevents an echo chamber, but also gives opportunity to never forget some of the innate differences as to how each side views what is in front of them.

Whenever I see his retort, like as you point out, it seems the goal posts move.

Moreover, it is prudent exercise in how someone decides how they make their own opinions based on how something makes them feel versus hard facts.

541 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:16:00pm

re: #526 Occasional Reader

[safety clicks off OR's English Nagging Gun]

Fook you! (Irish translation)

542 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:16:03pm

re: #528 Kenneth

Awesome.

543 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:16:07pm

re: #532 loppyd

It will not make jobs. People who are already on the payroll will lay that sod.

Number one, you're quite right, and number two, didn't we learn during the Depression that most of the jobs ended up temporary in nature? As in, when the project was over, what next?

544 Dutch Duncan  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:16:20pm

The so called peace process is a total waste of energy as long as Arabs including Palestinians don't want to give in on essential things like the right to exist of Israel.
And they even don't want to give in to each other (that's why they live in dictatorships) let alone to their arch enemy Israel.
Don't force Israel to concessions that will only strengthen it's mortal enemies.

Obama must stop with it and concentrate his middle-eastern foreign policy on three things:

Stay the course in Iraq: Iraq can be a good country but it needs time (a lot of time: 10 or 20 years) and a very strong American presence during all those years.
Support especially a good secular education system so the next generation of Iraqi's will think less sectarian.
Premature leaving would embolden the Muslim radicals in a very big way.

Heavy pressure on Egypt to seal off the border with Gaza (this time for real), so Hamas cannot rearm itself.

Stop Iran going nuclear: how that doesn't matter talks/negotiations/sanctions/even (Israeli) air raids as a last resort just don't let Iran get the bomb.
It's crucial for the sake of Israel/ the middle east in general and the world as a whole.

545 dentate  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:16:21pm
546 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:16:30pm

re: #473 Kenneth

The Pali refugee camps in Syria are basically terrorist training centers.

I knew they were in Lebanon. What about those in Jordan and Egypt? Do the kids have school? Medical care?

547 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:16:47pm

re: #503 BBev

I don't think it would but I really don't like just giving them money for no return

548 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:16:54pm

the o is going to try to 'likker' up the republicans tonight.
he thinks he can buy their votes w/ booze.
is he that arrogant or does he just think others are as unprincipled as he is.

549 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:16:57pm

The quick solution in Israel requires polarization. And try to do it without making a world war. Make people in power and of opinion state what they believe about Israel and what they are for. Then work to talk to the ones that seem ill intentioned such as just about anyone in Indonesia. Request that heads of state crack down on jihadis. Hamas needs to be removed from the active scene.

550 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:17:03pm

House defeats bill to delay digital TV transition


WASHINGTON—Bucking the Obama administration, House Republicans on Wednesday defeated a bill to postpone the upcoming transition from analog to digital television broadcasting to June 12 -- leaving roughly 6.5 million U.S. households unprepared for the switchover.

The 258-168 vote failed to clear the two-thirds threshold needed for passage in a victory for GOP members, who warn that postponing the transition from the current Feb. 17 deadline would confuse consumers.

551 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:17:07pm
552 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:17:18pm

re: #534 FurryOldGuyJeans

I ate snakes during my Navy days at JEST school. ;)

Okay, ya got me on that one. Never had to do that.

553 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:17:18pm

re: #477 opnion

If the Republicans oppose Obama initiatives it will invigorate the Party.
The Democrats will call them obstructionists for the mid term elections, but by then Obama will not look so good.
The Republicans can look like heroes & recapture the Congress.

That's the risk the Republicans are weighing. If they bet the stimulus plan fails, oppose it, and it does not, they are toast in 2010. If you are right, it's the right plan.

554 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:17:22pm

re: #515 WriterMom

Gentlemen prefer blondes.

I guess that's yet further proof that I'm no gentleman. (I tend to notice the brunettes first... what can I say.)

555 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:17:51pm
556 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:18:00pm

re: #513 jwb7605

My question is whether all the government cars will get 35+ mpg.
If not, the government will be hypocritical (but I repeat myself ...)

If true, will citizens all be driving black sedans shortly?

My Question - if law enforcement are now going to be driving electric clown cars, is that going to encourage more high speed chases?

557 BBev  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:18:00pm

re: #513 jwb7605

My question is whether all the government cars will get 35+ mpg.
If not, the government will be hypocritical (but I repeat myself ...)

If true, will citizens all be driving black sedans shortly?

Cool, I'll take a nice black Ford Crown Vic.

558 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:18:04pm

re: #548 nyc redneck

Do you think they will have hookers too? Oh wait-Elliot Spitzer was busted.

559 Soona'  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:18:12pm

re: #482 dentate

It's, you know, kind of like, you know, the sort of thing that could get you, you know, like, thought of as a, like, you know, lousy speaker.

Wow. Y'all are like, you know, so smart.
//like duh!

560 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:18:15pm

re: #554 Occasional Reader

It's over!

561 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:18:21pm

re: #481 buzzsawmonkey

I bet they do. But then they had "Palestinian refugees" in "refugee camps" to deal with--and which they could expel to another "refugee camp."

Under a relocation plan they will have new citizens carrying a wad of cash with them, who have no "refugee camps" to go to. If the citizens act up, well, what happens is up to the Jordanian government.

Their own yutes, eh? I hope they don't turn to the Fwench for any advice.

562 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:18:40pm

re: #552 subsailor68

Okay, ya got me on that one. Never had to do that.

Rattle snake is kinda tasty when batter fried. ;)

563 opnion  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:18:45pm

re: #487 gmsc

I hope not only that you're right, but that the Republicans realize this, as well.

Let's hope.

564 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:18:50pm
565 abaleh  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:18:55pm

re: #324 Maine's Michael

re: #403 MandyManners

I don't see Syria, Jordan or Egypt taking them back. However, let's say that they do. What's to guarantee that they will absorb them into their society? What's to guarantee that they won't stick them in a refugee camp and STILL blame Israel?

The Persian Gulf states have shown a remarkable knack for building islands.
Instead of spending billions on the Palestinians for everything from rockets to Gaza reconstruction to hate filled schools, they could invest a couple of years and a couple of billion dollars by building the Palestinians a nice big island in the Persian Gulf where they could create a land of peace and happiness.

566 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:18:57pm

re: #543 subsailor68

Number one, you're quite right, and number two, didn't we learn during the Depression that most of the jobs ended up temporary in nature? [Link: www.imdb.com...]

Even more government dependency.

567 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:18:58pm

re: #519 MandyManners

Do we have anyone in State who has that kind of back bone?

Not only are most of the people in State inveterate Israel-bashers, they're invertebrate Israel-bashers.

568 Kragar  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:18:58pm

re: #488 loppyd

preverts like pr0n.

its true, we do

569 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:19:07pm

re: #554 Occasional Reader

I guess that's yet further proof that I'm no gentleman. (I tend to notice the brunettes first... what can I say.)

First wife was brunette, second wife is blond. I have a definite bias now.

570 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:19:12pm

re: #544 Dutch Duncan

How DARE you go on topic when we have hijacked the thread :)

No, you're correct, but I would add that it appears that a "surge" in Afghanistan would be in order too.

571 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:19:26pm

re: #524 gmsc

Great book! I've read it before, and I'm listening to the unabridged audiobook as I get the time (I've only up to the second chapter, where Hank Rearden has just given his wife the Rearden metal bracelet).

My students are reading Anthem--one of them has gone on to Atlas Shrugged. I'm sorry that wasn't made clear in my previous post.

572 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:19:27pm

re: #481 buzzsawmonkey

You know, Palestinians would sell their mothers for cash, but give up being "refugees". There isn't enough money in the entire world for that.

573 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:19:29pm

re: #496 avanti

You may be right, but renovation of the National mall is not pork, and will make jobs. Building Clinton's Woodstock museum was pork though, as was the bridge to no where.

How long would those jobs last?

574 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:19:30pm

re: #538 Maine's Michael

We use F here in the USA, dontcha know.

Nights have been -40 lately.

-40C?

575 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:19:30pm

re: #534 FurryOldGuyJeans

I ate snakes during my Navy days at JEST school. ;)

Surely you JEST?!

576 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:19:48pm

re: #552 subsailor68

Okay, ya got me on that one. Never had to do that.

Who said I HAD to? I requested the school, gladly.

577 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:20:10pm

Someone's getting nervous. The longer the delay, the more damning info about this bill comes to light.

Obama Says Not a ‘Moment to Spare’ on Stimulus Plan


WASHINGTON — Declaring that “we don’t have a moment to spare,” President Obama on Wednesday pushed hard for passage of his economic stimulus plan, promising that it would be not just enormous in scope but run with a transparency and accountability not always associated with huge Washington projects.

mmkay.

578 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:20:12pm

80 behind and no way to catch up. I'm sorry.

579 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:20:17pm

re: #562 DEZes

Rattle snake is kinda tasty when batter fried. ;)

I prefer raw. ;)

580 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:20:23pm

re: #569 Kenneth

Wise man.

581 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:20:27pm

re: #556 DeafDog

My Question - if law enforcement are now going to be driving electric clown cars, is that going to encourage more high speed chases?

You've never driven a slot car have you? Electric cars can be fast.

582 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:20:28pm
583 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:20:32pm

re: #467 MandyManners

Would that $600,000,000.00 bail out the industry?

I'm not sure how a government led billions bailout helps anyone. Maybe some companies that are in dire straits. But it's like giving money to ourselves and tacking on administration fees and penalties.

Trickle up might work better than trickle down.

584 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:20:33pm

re: #569 Kenneth

First wife was brunette, second wife is blond. I have a definite bias now.

You could have just had the first one dye her hair, and saved a hell of a lot of money.

/

585 robdouth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:20:41pm

re: #553 avanti

That's the risk the Republicans are weighing. If they bet the stimulus plan fails, oppose it, and it does not, they are toast in 2010. If you are right, it's the right plan.

There is no fail to this plan. It's not a stimulus plan because most economists are thinking we'll be recovering by the time most of this money starts hitting the streets. Basically either way the Democrats win. If the economy takes awhile to come back, they can say it's the timing of the money being infused into the economy. If it starts recovering by 2010, they still claim the stimulus did it even though none of the money has freed up. It's like a sports fan who thinks that just because they have on their favorite hat, that's why their team is winning. Republicans should stand against this on principle, not because of perceptions, which apparently are what matter to you. Democrats don't care what's right, only that it appears so, and if not, they can spin it to look so.

586 dentate  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:20:58pm

re: #575 Occasional Reader

Surely you JEST?!

His name's not Shirley

/groan

587 Natasha  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:21:08pm

re: #275 Ben Hur

Egg power, my ass.

It's the "I have the world by its one remaining ball" sculpture.

OK, that one had me LOL.

588 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:21:22pm

re: #575 Occasional Reader

Surely you JEST?!

I sure did, and had one of the best experiences of my aborted Navy career.

589 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:21:29pm

re: #564 Iron Fist

I was sort of being snarky to start with, and I agree on your point. And maybe my idea of perverted is different than you. I know people who think oral sex is perverted. It was on that level I was talking.

590 Soona'  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:21:30pm

re: #492 Scion9

Eh, even though I don't think you are serious...

The fundamental difference between the porn industry and say, the auto industry is that the auto industry relies on a lot of people with specialized skills, proprietary manufacturing technology, and lots of raw materials and inventory, none of which is true about porn. If that industry evaporated overnight it wouldn't be a massive 'waste' of resources. No 'porn factories' full of equipment sit empty, and highly educated 'porn engineers' wind up with useless degrees and years of experience in a non-existent field.

And all of us guys sitting around in front of our computors empty handed.
//

591 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:21:36pm

re: #449 BBev

I would rather that they buy new cars then bail out the auto industry and put all the old ones up for auction open to the public. Might be a good thing for many people

At $25,000 a car, that's only 24,000 cars, that won't save Detroit, but it'll help.

592 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:21:59pm

re: #496 avanti

You may be right, but renovation of the National mall is not pork, and will make jobs. Building Clinton's Woodstock museum was pork though, as was the bridge to no where.

Is that where the National GAP & National Hot Topic may be found?
/

593 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:22:24pm

re: #556 DeafDog

My Question - if law enforcement are now going to be driving electric clown cars, is that going to encourage more high speed chases?

Car chases in my are look like

this

594 Quintus_Arius  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:22:33pm

re: #477 opnion

If the Republicans oppose Obama initiatives it will invigorate the Party.
The Democrats will call them obstructionists for the mid term elections, but by then Obama will not look so good.
The Republicans can look like heroes & recapture the Congress.

Correctamundo! Solidarity against this so-called stimulus is the GOP ticket-to-ride. Damn, I wish someone would listen to you and me.

595 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:22:37pm

re: #538 Maine's Michael

We use F here in the USA, dontcha know.

Nights have been -40 lately.

°F or °C?
/;-P

596 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:22:53pm

re: #533 Walter L. Newton

He couldn't find the jacks if he tripped over it. That's my second favorite word of the week. It's used in our current production at the theatre, which is an Irish work by Conor McPherson.

Also has a lot of fookers in it.

That figures, being by an Irishman.

Anybody here ever seen that hilarious series about three Irish Priests, called 'Father Ted'?

One of them only had three words: 'Feck - drink - girrls' ...

597 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:22:55pm

re: #591 avanti

At $25,000 a car, that's only 24,000 cars, that won't save Detroit, but it'll help.

Capitalism sure is better than full-blown Socialism.

598 Natasha  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:23:08pm

re: #577 loppyd

Someone's getting nervous. The longer the delay, the more damning info about this bill comes to light.

Obama Says Not a ‘Moment to Spare’ on Stimulus Plan

mmkay.

Obama is shaking in his frilly little granny bloomers (or is it a fishnet thong O_o) that his disgusting theft bill is not going to come through. Bog willing, it will fall apart with a crash.

599 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:23:10pm

re: #579 FurryOldGuyJeans

I prefer raw. ;)


To each his own. ;)

600 robdouth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:23:18pm

re: #572 WriterMom

You know, Palestinians would sell their mothers for cash, but give up being "refugees". There isn't enough money in the entire world for that.

Yeah they are refugee all-stars...

601 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:23:30pm
602 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:24:11pm

re: #589 Walter L. Newton

I was sort of being snarky to start with, and I agree on your point. And maybe my idea of perverted is different than you. I know people who think oral sex is perverted. It was on that level I was talking.

The libertarian in me says whatever floats ones boat, as long as he/she/it/they has/have the ability to consent, is legal, and nobody gets hurt...

The rest is an opinion. In my opinion...

603 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:24:15pm

re: #599 DEZes

To each his own. ;)

With the right spices and sauce raw is DE-LECT-ABLE! ;)

604 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:24:19pm

re: #591 avanti

At $25,000 a car, that's only 24,000 cars, that won't save Detroit, but it'll help.

No, I'd rather see the auto industry start following a business model that works. Isn't that such a novel idea.

You're not talking about stimulating anything, you're talking about putting a band aid on the auto industry.

605 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:24:20pm

I'm not sure why Totten hasn't won a Pulitzer? Maybe because he's self employed?

And they can give it to a David Horsey(Seattle Cartoonist) who has gone over the deep end and is only interested in Eason Jordan like bias these days.

606 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:24:39pm

re: #496 avanti

You may be right, but renovation of the National mall is not pork, and will make jobs.

HAHAHAHAHA

Comedic geneous!

Why stop at the National mall? Let's sod the country then!

607 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:24:42pm
608 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:24:52pm

re: #580 WriterMom

Wise man.

Happy man, too.

609 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:24:58pm
610 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:25:12pm

re: #556 DeafDog

My Question - if law enforcement are now going to be driving electric clown cars, is that going to encourage more high speed chases?

The money is all for flex fuel, hybred or electrics.

611 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:25:12pm

re: #574 jwb7605

-40C?

-40C and -40F are the exact same temperature.

612 DEZes  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:25:20pm

re: #603 FurryOldGuyJeans

With the right spices and sauce raw is DE-LECT-ABLE! ;)


I was gonna ask if you killed it 1st, now what spices?

613 Scion9  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:25:20pm

re: #532 loppyd

It will not make jobs. People who are already on the payroll will lay that sod.

Thank you. Not only that, 'creating jobs' isn't hiring someone to do a temporary job that will last a few months or a year doesn't fit the bill.

'Creating jobs' is about growth or retention.

Either that or the landscaping the National Mall would be a new fulltime operation, in perpetuity. There are sections of highway in Maryland that have been under construction now, allegedly for longer than I have been alive (and definitely for as long as I can remember have those machines moved around piles of dirt on the side of the road). The Soviet model of showing up at the factory, punching in, and not producing anything then collecting your check from the government.

614 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:25:48pm

re: #566 FurryOldGuyJeans

Even more government dependency.

Oh very cute, sneaking in that IMDB link to your bestest show ever: MacgRyeyuever.

;-)

615 akak  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:26:01pm
A rocket fired from northern Gaza landed in Eshkol Regional Council limits.
616 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:26:09pm

re: #605 hazzyday

I'm not sure why Totten hasn't won a Pulitzer? Maybe because he's self employed?

And they can give it to a David Horsey(Seattle Cartoonist) who has gone over the deep end and is only interested in Eason Jordan like bias these days.

Horsey has two.
'99 and '03.

*spit*

617 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:26:12pm

re: #605 hazzyday

I'm not sure why Totten hasn't won a Pulitzer?

Because he's not a knee-jerk lefty like 99% of all other journalists.

618 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:26:18pm

re: #454 robdouth

$600 million of car purchases?

What can you get for $600 million? How many hybrids can you get?

Hmmm.. how many hybrid cars are produced by the Smallish 3 today? Not too many. Certainly not enough to replace the entire fleet. $600 million would mean 30,000 cars bought if all were $20,000 each. Hybrids aren't priced at $20,000. They're closer to $30,000.

The Ford Escape hybrid costs $30,000 each. Even if you get a bulk discount, you're going to be talking about selling them below cost, and that's not exactly going to help Ford.
This is a drop in the bucket if you're trying to improve the economy of the fed car fleet.

If you switched all cars in the federal fleet to the most economical domestic car; you might get more cars, but that wouldn't be the most economical choice for fuel economy. The top 10 fuel misers are foreign makes and models.

Let's choose the Chevy Aveo, which gets, 24 city/34 highway mpg, $10,895. If the feds chose to replace their existing fleet with the Aveo, you'd get 55,071 cars, and change.

Is it worth it? You make the call....

619 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:26:25pm

re: #596 yma o hyd

That figures, being by an Irishman.

Anybody here ever seen that hilarious series about three Irish Priests, called 'Father Ted'?

One of them only had three words: 'Feck - drink - girrls' ...

Is "feck" the same as "fook?" Because our dialect coach has them pronouncing the word "fook." Of course, she has them pronouncing most of the word in a "stage" Irish, since if they used a normal Irish accent, most of our audience wouldn't be able to understand it.

620 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:26:32pm

re: #524 gmsc

Great book! I've read it before, and I'm listening to the unabridged audiobook as I get the time (I've only up to the second chapter, where Hank Rearden has just given his wife the Rearden metal bracelet).

Ayn Rand wrote that book in an attempt to prevent what has happened here.

621 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:26:41pm

re: #601 buzzsawmonkey

There is no reason that the West which is paying the welfare cannot say to them, "This is That last one was the final payment. It's big, but it's was the last one; you're on your own."

[A guy can dream, can't he?]

622 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:26:43pm

re: #611 gmsc

-40C and -40F are the exact same temperature.

shhhhsh! I was hoping for a snarky comment!

623 the_flying_pig  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:26:46pm

I think it's time for Israel to send a message to Iran: "Enuf, mofos!" with BBBs raining down.

624 Soona'  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:26:55pm

re: #581 faraway

You've never driven a slot car have you? Electric cars can be fast.

Fast for about, oh, maybe ten minutes.

625 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:27:06pm

Just buy all the self exiled Palestinians a house in Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Morocco, or Saudi. Let them pick. Give them a government job.

626 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:27:23pm

re: #598 Natasha

Obama is shaking in his frilly little granny bloomers (or is it a fishnet thong O_o) that his disgusting theft bill is not going to come through. Bog willing, it will fall apart with a crash.

It'll pass the house this evening, but then the bargaining begins.

627 BatGuano  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:27:48pm

re: #494 goddessoftheclassroom

God bless you,
I am pleased that things are going well. If you can stimulate young minds to think for themselves , you are doing a great service to our country. Somehow, I think that is exactly what your intention is.

628 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:27:50pm

re: #604 Walter L. Newton

No, I'd rather see the auto industry start following a business model that works. Isn't that such a novel idea.

You're not talking about stimulating anything, you're talking about putting a band aid on the auto industry.

Scrap the government mandated stranglehold the UAW has on the auto industry and things would improve a lot. Throw out the nit-picking regulations a nanny-state government slapped on and improvement would be even better.

Now add in a sound economic business plan to that and....

629 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:27:56pm

re: #589 Walter L. Newton

Sex doesn't have to be dirty and perverted, but it is if you're doing it right.

630 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:27:58pm

re: #618 lawhawk

$600 million of car purchases?

What can you get for $600 million? How many hybrids can you get?

Hmmm.. how many hybrid cars are produced by the Smallish 3 today? Not too many. Certainly not enough to replace the entire fleet. $600 million would mean 30,000 cars bought if all were $20,000 each. Hybrids aren't priced at $20,000. They're closer to $30,000.

The Ford Escape hybrid costs $30,000 each. Even if you get a bulk discount, you're going to be talking about selling them below cost, and that's not exactly going to help Ford.
This is a drop in the bucket if you're trying to improve the economy of the fed car fleet.

If you switched all cars in the federal fleet to the most economical domestic car; you might get more cars, but that wouldn't be the most economical choice for fuel economy. The top 10 fuel misers are foreign makes and models.

Let's choose the Chevy Aveo, which gets, 24 city/34 highway mpg, $10,895. If the feds chose to replace their existing fleet with the Aveo, you'd get 55,071 cars, and change.

Is it worth it? You make the call....

I'll propose the same answer to you as I did to Avanti above...

No, I'd rather see the auto industry start following a business model that works. Isn't that such a novel idea.

You're not talking about stimulating anything, you're talking about putting a band aid on the auto industry.

631 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:28:00pm

re: #610 avanti

The money is all for flex fuel, hybred or electrics.

Why not wait for 2010 and replace every car with a Chevy Volt. All electric - no fuel to buy from the Mullahs.

632 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:28:01pm

re: #581 faraway

You've never driven a slot car have you? Electric cars can be fast.


No. You are probably right. I just had a vision of a Mustang Shelby being chased by a golf cart with a siren and thought there is no way this could work. I'll drop it.

633 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:28:05pm

re: #622

jwb7605

shhhhsh! I was hoping for a snarky comment!

re: #595 jcm

°F or °C?
/;-P

Not snarky enough?

634 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:28:29pm
635 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:28:30pm

re: #524 gmsc

Great book! I've read it before, and I'm listening to the unabridged audiobook as I get the time (I've only up to the second chapter, where Hank Rearden has just given his wife the Rearden metal bracelet).

I just got past page 500. The book is officially blowing my mind.

636 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:28:33pm

re: #624 Soona'

Fast for about, oh, maybe ten minutes.

haha, I can keep mine on the track. :)

637 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:28:34pm

re: #620 debutaunt

Ayn Rand wrote that book in an attempt to prevent what has happened here.

I think Anthem is beginning to open their eyes. Since they're in junior high, it might make a difference.

638 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:28:54pm

re: #598 Natasha

Obama is shaking in his frilly little granny bloomers (or is it a fishnet thong O_o) that his disgusting theft bill is not going to come through. Bog willing, it will fall apart with a crash.

It will pass. He doesn't want it to pass on party lines, though. When it fails he doesn't want only dems to be on the hook.

Rush talked about this yesterday. Back in 1993, Clinton's tax hikes were passed without one Republican vote in the House. The Dems owned that tax hike. The Republicans took back the house in the midterms that followed.

639 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:29:04pm

re: #616 jcm

Horsey has two.
'99 and '03.

*spit*

Horsey had promise at one time but he lives in an ivory tower and is afraid to come out and deal with the real world now.

640 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:29:06pm

re: #612 DEZes

I was gonna ask if you killed it 1st, now what spices?

The natural environment does have lots of things that can be used, if you know what you are looking at.

641 akak  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:29:19pm
Rocket lands in Eshkol; none injured
(22:02 , 01.28.09)
Color Red alert sounds in Eshkol
(21:47 , 01.28.09)
EU shifts conditions for Palestinian unity government
(21:06 , 01.28.09)
Hamas leader rejects Israeli conditions for truce
(20:55 , 01.28.09)

/assasinations can be good no?

642 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:29:22pm

re: #615 akak

Looks like Hamas is backing out of the cease fire...
Hamas leader rejects Israeli conditions for truce

The exiled leader of the militant Palestinian Hamas group said Wednesday that Israel's conditions for a long-term truce with Hamas were "unacceptable."

Khaled Mashaal said Hamas will not accept that Israel open the border crossings with the Gaza Strip only after Hamas releases an Israeli soldier captured by Gaza militants in June 2006.

"We were recently informed of (Israel's) conditions for calm ... We reject these Israeli conditions. We will not accept them," Mashaal said.

643 robdouth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:29:33pm

re: #618 lawhawk

$600 million of car purchases?

What can you get for $600 million? How many hybrids can you get?

Hmmm.. how many hybrid cars are produced by the Smallish 3 today? Not too many. Certainly not enough to replace the entire fleet. $600 million would mean 30,000 cars bought if all were $20,000 each. Hybrids aren't priced at $20,000. They're closer to $30,000.

The Ford Escape hybrid costs $30,000 each. Even if you get a bulk discount, you're going to be talking about selling them below cost, and that's not exactly going to help Ford.
This is a drop in the bucket if you're trying to improve the economy of the fed car fleet.

If you switched all cars in the federal fleet to the most economical domestic car; you might get more cars, but that wouldn't be the most economical choice for fuel economy. The top 10 fuel misers are foreign makes and models.

Let's choose the Chevy Aveo, which gets, 24 city/34 highway mpg, $10,895. If the feds chose to replace their existing fleet with the Aveo, you'd get 55,071 cars, and change.

Is it worth it? You make the call....


My friend has one of those Chevy's but he calls it the A-Gay-o, so I think that might answer your question. My Honda Civic gets comparable gas mileage and doesn't look like it should fold up into a suitcase.

644 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:29:37pm
645 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:29:39pm

re: #593 DEZes

LOL

646 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:29:46pm

re: #631 faraway

Why not wait for 2010 and replace every car with a Chevy Volt. All electric - no fuel to buy from the Mullahs.

I'm waiting for the evening commute to end, and 100,000 people plug their Volts into the power grid.

BHO sitting in a dark office, "What do you mean we need new power plants?"

647 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:29:49pm

re: #584 Occasional Reader

You could have just had the first one dye her hair, and saved a hell of a lot of money.

/

There ain't enough money in the world, dear boy, to make me want to go back to that. Nuff said.

648 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:29:52pm

re: #627 BatGuano

God bless you,
I am pleased that things are going well. If you can stimulate young minds to think for themselves , you are doing a great service to our country. Somehow, I think that is exactly what your intention is.

Oh, thank you--you're so kind.

You're right--I'm trying to civilize my students in the most literal sense of the word.

649 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:30:04pm

re: #619 Walter L. Newton

Is "feck" the same as "fook?" Because our dialect coach has them pronouncing the word "fook." Of course, she has them pronouncing most of the word in a "stage" Irish, since if they used a normal Irish accent, most of our audience wouldn't be able to understand it.


Is the cast drunk by the end of the play?

650 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:30:06pm

re: #631 faraway

Why not wait for 2010 and replace every car with a Chevy Volt. All electric - no fuel to buy from the Mullahs.

Why not wait for the fleet of rainbow farting unicorns?

651 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:30:24pm

re: #632 DeafDog

No. You are probably right. I just had a vision of a Mustang Shelby being chased by a golf cart with a siren and thought there is no way this could work. I'll drop it.

The acceleration of an electric motor is instantaneous. A gas engine takes awhile to reach peak RPM.

652 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:30:25pm

re: #613 Scion9

Thank you. Not only that, 'creating jobs' isn't hiring someone to do a temporary job that will last a few months or a year doesn't fit the bill.

'Creating jobs' is about growth or retention.

Either that or the landscaping the National Mall would be a new fulltime operation, in perpetuity. There are sections of highway in Maryland that have been under construction now, allegedly for longer than I have been alive (and definitely for as long as I can remember have those machines moved around piles of dirt on the side of the road). The Soviet model of showing up at the factory, punching in, and not producing anything then collecting your check from the government.

Obama has played word games where he talks about the porkfest as saving or creating 3-4 million jobs.

No one knows how many jobs will be created. The fact is that it wouldn't create any private sector jobs, and may well further harm the private sector. The JTC has said that it's not likely that any economic benefit will accrue from the porkfest at all.

653 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:31:15pm

re: #407 yma o hyd

Because PB0 wants to be rememberd as an even better Prez than FDR.

Lots of us consider FDR to have been a great president for his leadership in WWII, not so much for the New Deal. Somehow, I don't see BHO being a great wartime leader.

/Praying to God that BHO never has to be a wartime president!

654 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:31:23pm

re: #633 jcm

jwb7605

Not snarky enough?

from Maine's Michael.
I like to do that to my wife ... she is one of those that can't get her head around the "milligram" thing. She'll say "this has 980 milligrams of salt", and I'll say "wow. that's almost a whole gram". She'll say "no -- its a lot more!"

655 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:31:41pm

re: #647 Kenneth

{Kenneth}

656 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:31:48pm

re: #610 avanti

The money is all for flex fuel, hybred or electrics.


Marvelous.

The only way this stimulates anything is maybe some folks will get a second hand cars on the cheap.

657 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:32:02pm

re: #653 Son of the Black Dog

Lots of us consider FDR to have been a great president for his leadership in WWII, not so much for the New Deal. Somehow, I don't see BHO being a great wartime leader.

/Praying to God that BHO never has to be a wartime president!

Uh, he already is.

658 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:32:06pm

re: #646 jcm

I'm waiting for the evening commute to end, and 100,000 people plug their Volts into the power grid.

BHO sitting in a dark office, "What do you mean we need new power plants?"

Of course, you said it - evening. Power usage is lower after 5pm.

Of course we need nuke plants.

659 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:32:29pm

re: #639 hazzyday

Horsey had promise at one time but he lives in an ivory tower and is afraid to come out and deal with the real world now.

Horsey is clueless in Seattle.

660 offendi  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:32:30pm

Given Obama's rush into Middle East "peacemaking" and his appearance on Al-Arabiyah to bow and scrape before the Arab world for America's supposed past sins, I declare this period formally: Emperor Obama The Neophyte.

The Iranians are laughing at his naiveness and have "established" conditions for their speaking with him. Palestinians consider their kids best "opportunities" are jihad as religiously proscribed, not peace and learning useful skills to earn US dollars. Israelis think him out of touch and start finalizing plans to go it alone in bombing the Iranian nuclear sites. What can he really do to them after all, if Congressmen requires re-election in 2010? Harry has to get re-elected too.

The only ones that consider bowing at the feet of the Emperor are the usual suspects, Congressional Republicans. If only the world was run by weak-kneed Republicans, there would be veritable peace on earth for the Emperor.

661 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:33:02pm

re: #658 faraway

Of course, you said it - evening. Power usage is lower after 5pm.

Of course we need nuke plants.

That will never happen with the O in the White House or Dem control of anything.

662 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:33:03pm

re: #619 Walter L. Newton

Is "feck" the same as "fook?" Because our dialect coach has them pronouncing the word "fook." Of course, she has them pronouncing most of the word in a "stage" Irish, since if they used a normal Irish accent, most of our audience wouldn't be able to understand it.

Yep, it is.
The actors in that TV series were proper Irish, it was filmed in Ireland, and it was outrageoulsy funny!
Some of the 'props' we recognised, like the house it was taking place in (the people in the village were very coy about that!), and the island it was supposedly taking place on. They called it 'Craggy Island' - it was in fact Inish Mean ...

Gawd - I gotta find my old ideos of that series ...

663 UberInfidel67  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:33:22pm

Geez people! Quit complaining about "pork". Everything will be OK....we just reinstituted funding for overseas abortions!11111

Now remember, terrorists are just moms and dads, like us : ). We need to treat them with kindness and understanding because that is how Americans are. But it is perfectly OK to rip a helpless human infant from the supposed safety of its mother's womb. Yeah : (

664 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:33:22pm

re: #630 Walter L. Newton

I'll propose the same answer to you as I did to Avanti above...

No, I'd rather see the auto industry start following a business model that works. Isn't that such a novel idea.

You're not talking about stimulating anything, you're talking about putting a band aid on the auto industry.

Back in the Kennedy days, the government bought a few 100 Studebaker in 1963, but it was too little too late. It would have taken a 100 million to keep them in business and save the company and bail outs were unheard of back then.

665 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:33:37pm

Sorry.

Can't spare a square.

666 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:34:55pm

re: #654 jwb7605

from Maine's Michael.
I like to do that to my wife ... she is one of those that can't get her head around the "milligram" thing. She'll say "this has 980 milligrams of salt", and I'll say "wow. that's almost a whole gram". She'll say "no -- its a lot more!"

Reminds me of the way lots of people (Americans, in particular) think of foreign currency. If one US dollar is equivalent to several units of a given country's currency, they assume that "wow, the dollar is really strong there!", and therefore everything there must be really cheap if you're an American.

667 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:35:07pm

re: #587 Natasha

OK, that one had me LOL.

Thanks.

I'm glad someone got it.

668 nikis-knight  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:35:48pm

re: #462 buzzsawmonkey

Final payment, and then bye-bye.

Heck, I'd say we've pretty much been ripped off if we've given them a dime for development and they turn their so-called state into a sty. Stop the payments, demand it back, that's our opening position.

669 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:35:54pm
670 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:36:03pm

The Addicted Palestinians

Nor is the overarching conflict a transaction that simply depends upon the proper skilled statecraft for resolution. *To paraphrase historian Bernard Lewis, if this is about land, a deal is easy to reach. If it is about Israel’s existence, it will never be resolved. Palestinian behavior over past decades has made it clear this is about Israel’s existence. And the Hamas, Fatah, and PLO charters reinforce this point, regardless of the rhetoric that Palestinian advocates broadcast to Western enablers.

* that means you, Barry.

671 BatGuano  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:36:14pm

re: #524 gmsc

Ah, Reardon steel.

672 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:36:15pm

re: #664 avanti

Back in the Kennedy days, the government bought a few 100 Studebaker in 1963, but it was too little too late. It would have taken a 100 million to keep them in business and save the company and bail outs were unheard of back then.

Have you read Atlas Shrugged?

673 Quintus_Arius  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:36:18pm

re: #638 loppyd

It will pass. He doesn't want it to pass on party lines, though. When it fails he doesn't want only dems to be on the hook.

Rush talked about this yesterday. Back in 1993, Clinton's tax hikes were passed without one Republican vote in the House. The Dems owned that tax hike. The Republicans took back the house in the midterms that followed.

If Pelosi see's that the GOP and Blue Dogs are solid, then she may not let it come to vote. Keep the pressure on and spread the word in the blogosphere.

674 Scion9  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:36:40pm

re: #653 Son of the Black Dog


Lots of us consider FDR to have been a great president for his leadership in WWII, not so much for the New Deal.

I think that the 'Deal' the US got from FDR was better than the one Italy got from Mussolini; but not for want of trying on Roosevelt's part.

675 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:36:45pm

re: #653 Son of the Black Dog

Lots of us consider FDR to have been a great president for his leadership in WWII, not so much for the New Deal. Somehow, I don't see BHO being a great wartime leader.

/Praying to God that BHO never has to be a wartime president!

Agree.
I have the feeling he'd like to show that he can do better than FDR until 1941. The rest, I'm sure, he'd like to give a miss.
As would we all!

676 BBev  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:36:48pm

re: #591 avanti

At $25,000 a car, that's only 24,000 cars, that won't save Detroit, but it'll help.

I own an American car and an American truck and proud of it we all should

677 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:36:54pm

re: #550 loppyd

House defeats bill to delay digital TV transition

O.K..... time for my civics lesson ... why does it take a 2/3 vote?

678 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:37:03pm

re: #646 jcm

I've been making that observation for months now. Also, you can't rely on wind power to provide that power during the overnight hours since the wind usually dies down overnight, and power plants usually engage in maintenance overnight. That means that required and scheduled maintenance schedules would suffer.

It also means that more power plants that the eco-nuts oppose would have to be built, and no one want 'em in their own backyard.

The Volt requires 6.5 hours to fully charge with a standard plug.

679 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:37:10pm

re: #657 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Uh, he already is.

No, all war (along with hatred, illness and want) ended on January 20, 2009, at 12:00 noon EST. Get with the program.

680 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:37:17pm

More,


The entire concept of a “peace process” is, perhaps, the enabler’s most seductive tool. Peace does not require a process. When peace or the cessation of violence is traded for some asset or benefit, it is everywhere else called extortion.

Amen!

681 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:37:49pm

re: #662 yma o hyd

Gawd - I gotta find my old ideos of that series ...

Yea, we pronounce that "videos" over here in the states. Interesting language.
/

682 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:37:57pm

re: #659 jcm

Horsey is clueless in Seattle.

Yep, that pulitzer has gone to waste. He has that common insecure theme questioning basic values and discounting them in favor of San Francisco values. I imagine him as an ostrich with a degree in international relations.

683 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:38:08pm
684 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:38:16pm

re: #665 Ben Hur

Sorry.

Can't spare a square.

ding ding ding ding!

I was waiting for someone to say that!

You never disappoint.

685 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:38:24pm

re: #669 buzzsawmonkey

That can get you into trouble in Italy, where the lira is worth something only in carload lots.

Um... bad news about the lira, there, Old Timer...

686 Natasha  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:38:36pm

As a sign of protest against Bee-Ho's idiotic policies on energy and auto manufacturing (among others), I think I am going to buy a Hummer H2. Suck it, Jugears!
:-P

687 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:38:48pm

re: #669 buzzsawmonkey

That can get you into trouble in Italy, where the lira is worth something only in carload lots.

Heh,
They don't have no more lira - its all 'Euro' now ...
(And the Germans are still mightily p*ssed off about that!)

688 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:38:50pm

re: #666 Occasional Reader

Reminds me of the way lots of people (Americans, in particular) think of foreign currency. If one US dollar is equivalent to several units of a given country's currency, they assume that "wow, the dollar is really strong there!", and therefore everything there must be really cheap if you're an American.

Tell me about it. That mentality lasted about 2 weeks in the Philippines and then the better half went "AAGH!"...then I checked my account to find out where her "AAGH!" came from, and then I went "AAGH!".

689 opnion  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:38:50pm

re: #663 UberInfidel67

Geez people! Quit complaining about "pork". Everything will be OK....we just reinstituted funding for overseas abortions!11111

Now remember, terrorists are just moms and dads, like us : ). We need to treat them with kindness and understanding because that is how Americans are. But it is perfectly OK to rip a helpless human infant from the supposed safety of its mother's womb. Yeah : (

Obama is much more progressive about domestic abortions.
Even if the baby survives the procedure, no problem, Obama just believes that you deny the fully born American citizen medical care.
Now if Obama could just be convinced that all of the terrorists are survivors of botched abortions.

690 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:39:11pm
691 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:39:23pm

I'm a cynic. I think this spending bill is a win-win for the Democrats. They get to fund all their pet projects and in the process convince more people to keep voting for them. If the economy recovers, so be it.
If the stimulus fails and in doing so deepens the problems by killing private sector jobs, no problem. They just have that much more excuse to have the government muscle in more and take over - which I think is their ultimate goal. Like Rahm Emmanuel (I think) said - never let a crisis go to waste. The end result is instant socialism/communism and the Russians didn't even have to launch their tank divisions......
This might seem like a blinding flash of the obvious but I wanted to say it anyway......

692 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:39:29pm

re: #630 Walter L. Newton

I'm actually critiquing that the $600 million in car purchases doesn't even do what the Democrats want it to do. If it's about fuel economy, they really can't buy American cars since those aren't the best value. If it's about saving the automakers, you're putting a band aid on the problem (as you said).

It's pork. That's what Democrats do.

693 Dutch Duncan  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:39:32pm

re: #570 Walter L. Newton

You are right Afghanistan is very important too.
I would say maybe 30.000 troops from Iraq to Kabul but keep at least a 100.000 soldiers in Iraq so neighbors like Iran an Syria won't think they can fill in the gap once they see America is leaving.

694 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:39:33pm

re: #673 Quintus_Arius

If Pelosi see's that the GOP and Blue Dogs are solid, then she may not let it come to vote. Keep the pressure on and spread the word in the blogosphere.

They are supposed to be voting tonight.

We'll see.

695 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:39:34pm

re: #653 Son of the Black Dog

/Praying to God that BHO never has to be a wartime president!

I think the GWOT is ongoing, in my opinion. BHO is already a wartime president. The only question is how badly he fumbles the ball.

I don't like his opening moves at all.

696 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:39:41pm

re: #672 Oh no...Sand People!

Have you read Atlas Shrugged?

Yes, and The Virtue of Selfisness, I own both.

697 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:39:42pm

re: #687 yma o hyd

Heh, They don't have no more lira - its all 'Euro' now ...
(And the Germans are still mightily p*ssed off about that!)

When are you blokes gonna go over to the Euro?

698 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:40:23pm

re: #574 jwb7605

-40C?

Remember those horrid Celsius/Fahrenheit conversion formulas you had to learn in school?

F = (9/5)*C+32
C = (5/9)*(F-32)?

Here's a much easier way to convert:

F = ((C + 40) * 1.8) - 40
C = ((F + 40) * .555) - 40

1) Regardless of which way you're converting, add 40 first.
2a) When going from Celsius to Fahrenheit, double the number you get, and then subtract 10%.
2b) When going from Celsius to Fahrenheit, divide the number you get by 2, and then add 10% (11.111% is more accurate, but tougher to do in your head).
3) Subtract 40

So, for example, let's see what 37 degrees Celsius is in Fahrenheit:

37 + 40 = 77
77 * 2 = 154
154 - 10% = 154 - 15.4 = 138.6
138.6 - 40 = 98.6 F!

How about 80 degrees Fahrenheit? What's that in Celsius?

80 + 40 = 120
120 / 2 = 60
60 + 10% = 60 + 6 = 66
66 - 40 = 26

So, 80 F should be about 26 C. It's actually 26.6666667 degrees Celsius, but we've come pretty close!

For those who have trouble with Celsius, remember:

30 is hot,
20 is nice,
10 is chilly,
0 is ice.

699 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:40:43pm

re: #681 Walter L. Newton

Yea, we pronounce that "videos" over here in the states. Interesting language.
/

Aww - its getting late, too many typos to correct, some will always slip through ...

(We call it 'videos' as well, when I'm not typing!)

700 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:40:52pm

re: #642 Killgore Trout

Khaled Mashaal said Hamas will not accept that Israel open the border crossings with the Gaza Strip only after Hamas releases an Israeli soldier captured by Gaza militants in June 2006.

Surely to alleviate the "suffering" of the Gazans- and allow in "desperately needed" supplies to help their own- the Barbarian leaders will free one kidnapped Jew.

I guess not.

Where are the condemnations? Where is the CNN headline? Where is Obama on who causes the suffering that so preoccupies him?

701 ThinkRight  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:40:53pm

re: #697 Walter L. Newton

When are you blokes gonna go over to the Euro?


By the end of summer probably

702 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:40:55pm

re: #687 yma o hyd

Heh,
They don't have no more lira - its all 'Euro' now ...
(And the Germans are still mightily p*ssed off about that!)


They've missed the Mark, eh?

703 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:41:03pm

re: #696 avanti

Yes, and The Virtue of Selfisness, I own both.

So you do realize that bailouts and nationalization don't work. Good.

704 robdouth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:41:11pm

re: #676 BBev

I own an American car and an American truck and proud of it we all should

My grandfather worked for Ford for 47 years, and my dad proudly bought fords even after my grandfather retired. Given the state of unions and the plight of the auto industry, I'd rather buy foreign and see the whole industry go under. I'd much rather outsource the work done to assemble cars and have Americans work on something else that's not tainted by the corruption of auto-unions.

705 BBev  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:41:21pm

re: #618 lawhawk

Your good and fast!

706 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:41:26pm

re: #651 faraway

The acceleration of an electric motor is instantaneous. A gas engine takes awhile to reach peak RPM.

Yep, here's a drag car


707 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:41:37pm

re: #690 buzzsawmonkey

Don't tell me it's now five bucks to the lira, instead of the 2000 lira to the dollar it used to be?

Even more drastic news than that (see yma's post).

I do hope you didn't have your life savings stuffed in the mattress in lira...

708 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:41:55pm

re: #703 Oh no...Sand People!

So you do realize that bailouts and nationalization don't work. Good.

Read, not understood..........

709 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:41:55pm

re: #622 jwb7605

shhhhsh! I was hoping for a snarky comment!

jcm already ruined it - at #595.

710 Soona'  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:42:20pm

re: #631 faraway

Why not wait for 2010 and replace every car with a Chevy Volt. All electric - no fuel to buy from the Mullahs.

No. What we need is a sound and practical energy policy. Stop listening to the GB hoax. Build coal plants, build nuclear plants. If we did that we'd find we didn't "need" any of the foofoo electric PC machines. Getting the government out of running businesses would help to. And screw the unions.

711 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:42:22pm
712 Scion9  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:42:33pm

re: #669 buzzsawmonkey

That can get you into trouble in Italy, where the lira is worth something only in carload lots.

A dollar is worth how many Yen? I'm rich!

713 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:43:15pm

re: #697 Walter L. Newton

When are you blokes gonna go over to the Euro?

Not going to happen any time soon.
Gord missed the boat, as did Tony Blair - now the £ is below the Euro, no way is Gord ... well, with him, you never know what next madness he'll come up with!

714 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:43:29pm

re: #711 buzzsawmonkey

Damn. Forgot. You can tell it's been a few years since I've been in Yerp.

The good news is, that Mussolini fellow met a nasty end.

715 akak  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:43:36pm

re: #710 Soona'

No. What we need is a sound and practical energy policy. Stop listening to the GB hoax. Build coal plants, build nuclear plants. If we did that we'd find we didn't "need" any of the foofoo electric PC machines. Getting the government out of running businesses would help to. And screw the unions.


They are, just not here. fubar

716 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:43:43pm

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I just found out there is another delay in the ongoing saga lawsuit between the jackass who sold us our condo and the abutting neighbor. We're going to be stuck here for at least another 6 months to a year.

One of these days I am going to make you pay, f*cker.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

717 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:43:58pm

re: #708 jcm

Read, not understood..........

I'm just trying to help a po' brothah out.

/

718 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:44:04pm

So how much Dong can I get for my dollar?

719 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:44:22pm

re: #691 LGoPs

I'm a cynic. I think this spending bill is a win-win for the Democrats. They get to fund all their pet projects and in the process convince more people to keep voting for them. If the economy recovers, so be it.
If the stimulus fails and in doing so deepens the problems by killing private sector jobs, no problem. They just have that much more excuse to have the government muscle in more and take over - which I think is their ultimate goal. Like Rahm Emmanuel (I think) said - never let a crisis go to waste. The end result is instant socialism/communism and the Russians didn't even have to launch their tank divisions......
This might seem like a blinding flash of the obvious but I wanted to say it anyway......


I gave you a ding, but I would have only given you a half ding if I could because I think you have a flaw in logic.

The dems are betting that the economy will recover dispite the silly bill. And the economy just might get better.

If the Economy does not improve, they are sunk. They pass a trillion $ spending package, they own the economy. Should the economy sink fuirther, there will be an anti-incumbent sentiment in 2010 and 2012.

720 robdouth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:44:50pm

re: #718 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

So how much Dong can I get for my dollar?

They are usually giving that away for free. You usually have to pay for the opposite sex.

721 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:44:59pm

re: #698 gmsc

Heh.
There are some nifty F -> C conversion programmes on that interwebby thingie nowadays!

722 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:45:02pm

re: #713 yma o hyd

Not going to happen any time soon.
Gord missed the boat, as did Tony Blair - now the £ is below the Euro, no way is Gord ... well, with him, you never know what next madness he'll come up with!

I should have looked under your avatar before I used "bloke," Granny LOL. Sorry.

723 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:45:07pm

re: #710 Soona'

No. What we need is a sound and practical energy policy. Stop listening to the GB hoax. Build coal plants, build nuclear plants. If we did that we'd find we didn't "need" any of the foofoo electric PC machines. Getting the government out of running businesses would help to. And screw the unions.

Remember Obama promised to bankrupt the Coal industry....days before the election. And the people still voted for him......
*shaking my head*

724 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:45:12pm

re: #712 Scion9

A dollar is worth how many Yen? I'm rich!

In Zimbabwe dollars you're a Trillionaire!

725 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:45:45pm

re: #720 robdouth

They are usually giving that away for free. You usually have to pay for the opposite sex.

Economics 101 - supply & demand

726 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:45:46pm

re: #723 LGoPs

Remember Obama promised to bankrupt the Coal industry....days before the election. And the people still voted for him......
*shaking my head*

PA still voted for him!

727 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:46:18pm

re: #692 lawhawk

I'm actually critiquing that the $600 million in car purchases doesn't even do what the Democrats want it to do. If it's about fuel economy, they really can't buy American cars since those aren't the best value. If it's about saving the automakers, you're putting a band aid on the problem (as you said).

It's pork. That's what Democrats do.


It's all about pork.

It would be interesting to know what the repair and maintenace costs are for a hybrid vs. a standard combustion engine. Will all this money potentially saved in gasoline be lost in repairs?

728 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:46:50pm

re: #357 avanti

Congress is going to try to add any junk they can, Obama needs to put his foot down. He's killed a few so far, he'll kill more, but add some candy for the Republicans. If GW would have stood up to both sides spending, we'd have been better off. I hope the GOP keeps the pressure up to clean up the package and that Obama listens.

Maybe you missed my question to you... I'll try again. Do you think you could grace me with an answer?

He shouldn't have to put a foot down. He promised no pork, no handouts to special interests, no pandering. He promised that BEFORE he was elected.

And you say clean up the package. Most of the package is PORK. If they clean it up, it would turn out to be kosher.

I guess you're happy to accept the lies of both sides, then watch them make believe they are doing US a favor, and still walk away with all the payola.

You sir, are damn easy to fool.

729 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:47:00pm

re: #701 ThinkRight

By the end of summer probably

Not gonna happen - there'll be blood in the streeets. ££ is at parity with the Euro at best - no way is that going to happen!

730 Scion9  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:47:21pm

re: #724 jcm

In Zimbabwe dollars you're a Trillionaire!

Even better! How many loaves of bread can I buy for a trillion dollars?

731 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:47:39pm

re: #698 gmsc

That's the easy way? GA!

For C to F, I just do: multiply by 2 and add 30.

It's approximate but it works I think.

732 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:47:42pm

re: #724 jcm

In Zimbabwe dollars you're a Trillionaire!

Wait a minute, you're a quadrillionaire now.

733 UberInfidel67  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:47:57pm

re: #726 jcm
Not this PAer! Hell no!

734 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:48:09pm

re: #718 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

!

735 Natasha  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:48:16pm

re: #692 lawhawk

It's pork. That's what Democrats do.

Without consent and without lube. Bend over, America.

736 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:48:35pm

re: #722 Walter L. Newton

I should have looked under your avatar before I used "bloke," Granny LOL. Sorry.

S'okay - don't worry!

:-)))

737 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:49:05pm

re: #733 UberInfidel67

Not this PAer! Hell no!

Awfully bitter and clingy aren't you?
Embrace Hope and Change, and you'll feel better!
///////////////////

738 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:49:46pm

Gotta go, Lizards.
That Madame Dog is giving me the eye ...

Seeya tomorrow, all being well!

739 robdouth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:50:05pm

re: #725 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Economics 101 - supply & demand

I know from experience that supply continually oupaces demand.

740 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:50:12pm

re: #726 jcm

PA still voted for him!

*smacks face again in remembrance of the first smack given hearing PA voted him in*

741 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:51:08pm

re: #513 jwb7605

My question is whether all the government cars will get 35+ mpg.
If not, the government will be hypocritical (but I repeat myself ...)

If true, will citizens all be driving black sedans shortly?

Anybody else here remember the Chevette? That's what my agency bought during the Carter (spit) administration's gas crisis.

Try putting four employees, and their luggage, in an unairconditioned Chevette and driving all day to get to a job site, in August, in the deep South.

742 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:51:34pm

re: #719 DeafDog

I gave you a ding, but I would have only given you a half ding if I could because I think you have a flaw in logic.

The dems are betting that the economy will recover dispite the silly bill. And the economy just might get better.

If the Economy does not improve, they are sunk. They pass a trillion $ spending package, they own the economy. Should the economy sink fuirther, there will be an anti-incumbent sentiment in 2010 and 2012.

Respect your opinion DeafDog but I disagree about the flaw in my logic. My logic is based on the fact that I think the democrats have totally gone over to the leftist/socialist side and would love to have the government control everything. A collapse would give them that excuse. This democratic party is nothing like what it used to be when I was young.

743 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:51:53pm

re: #731 WriterMom

More accurate is too multiply by 2, subtract 10% and add 32.

744 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:51:55pm

re: #571 goddessoftheclassroom

My students are reading Anthem--one of them has gone on to Atlas Shrugged. I'm sorry that wasn't made clear in my previous post.

Anthem is good way to get students interested in moving on to Atlas Shrugged!

Another way is to mention all those sci-fi "dystopian future" movies, such as THX-1138, Blade Runner, and so on. Few people realize that the first novel to start the "dystopian future" genre was effectively created by We The Living, by Ayn Rand.

re: #620 debutaunt

Ayn Rand wrote that book in an attempt to prevent what has happened here.

..and that you could see it coming, even from the 1950's!

A YouTube user known as XCowboy2 has put together an excellent series of videos that dramatize John Galt's speech at the climax of the book! They're done as playlists (and are long, as you might imagine), so I can't properly post them as videos here on LGF, but here are the links to the videos. They're set to play one after another automatically:

"This is John Galt speaking . . . ." (version 1.0)
"This is John Galt speaking . . . ." (version 2.0)

745 UberInfidel67  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:51:59pm

re: #737 jcm Ha! I AM bitter and clingy and I ain't embracing SHIT that asshole has to offer. I am a rebel. lol I also fired off a letter to Bob Casey for voting FOR the abortion bill. Something about his church caving in when he enters and choking on his communion wafer while washing it down with Obama Kool-Aid. I wonder if I will get a reply?

746 BBev  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:52:08pm

re: #678 lawhawk

I've been making that observation for months now. Also, you can't rely on wind power to provide that power during the overnight hours since the wind usually dies down overnight, and power plants usually engage in maintenance overnight. That means that required and scheduled maintenance schedules would suffer.

It also means that more power plants that the eco-nuts oppose would have to be built, and no one want 'em in their own backyard.

The Volt requires 6.5 hours to fully charge with a standard plug.

A friend of mine made his own wind mill with stuff off of Ebay for a cost of $1,500.00 he a Solar also and more then enough power to run his house, at this point he has to much.

747 Ron Shaw  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:52:23pm

re: #17 Erik The Red

No peace in the Middle East. None ever. One solution and one only. Will never happen.

Iran as well others within the RoP have repeatedly stated their intentions to make the 'one solution' happen. Sadly, our ruler with his fellow libberganggers will by omission and/or commission help facilitate our self-proclaimed enemies down this road...or have we passed the "Great Satan" name tag to another nation now that the One is the World Idol winner?

748 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:52:49pm

re: #737 jcm

Awfully bitter and clingy aren't you?
Embrace Hope and Change, and you'll feel better!
///////////////////

only if "hope" and "change" are being released from a 44D bikini top

749 robdouth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:52:52pm

re: #742 LGoPs

Respect your opinion DeafDog but I disagree about the flaw in my logic. My logic is based on the fact that I think the democrats have totally gone over to the leftist/socialist side and would love to have the government control everything. A collapse would give them that excuse. This democratic party is nothing like what it used to be when I was young.

While I agree with most of what you're saying, it's funny that what you think is a fact. I thought those were called opinions.

750 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:54:08pm

re: #744 gmsc

..and that you could see it coming, even from the 1950's!

A YouTube user known as XCowboy2 has put together an excellent series of videos that dramatize John Galt's speech at the climax of the book! They're done as playlists (and are long, as you might imagine), so I can't properly post them as videos here on LGF, but here are the links to the videos. They're set to play one after another automatically:

"This is John Galt speaking . . . ." (version 1.0)
"This is John Galt speaking . . . ." (version 2.0)

Thanks so much!

751 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:54:16pm

re: #731 WriterMom

That's the easy way? GA!

For C to F, I just do: multiply by 2 and add 30.

It's approximate but it works I think.

The average thermometer is accurate to about 2o F, so that usually gets you close enough.

752 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:54:40pm

re: #743 Kenneth

More accurate is too multiply by 2, subtract 10% and add 32.

Or, just open the appopriate iPhone app. My iPhone does all that hard thinkery stuff for me.

753 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:54:49pm

re: #749 robdouth

While I agree with most of what you're saying, it's funny that what you think is a fact. I thought those were called opinions.

You are right. I stand corrected.

754 Soona'  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:54:52pm

re: #718 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

So how much Dong can I get for my dollar?

The question should be: How much dong can she get for her dollar?
//ready for my whacking

755 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:56:05pm

re: #745 UberInfidel67

Ha! I AM bitter and clingy and I ain't embracing SHIT that asshole has to offer. I am a rebel. lol I also fired off a letter to Bob Casey for voting FOR the abortion bill. Something about his church caving in when he enters and choking on his communion wafer while washing it down with Obama Kool-Aid. I wonder if I will get a reply?

ROFL!
I don't think you'll get a reply, but your emails and phone calls will be blocked in the future for sure!

756 BBev  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:56:50pm

re: #716 loppyd

Whats the problem, I don't know if you know it but I have developed and managed several hundred condo's and help with laws of them here in New Hampshire.

757 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:57:30pm

re: #597 FurryOldGuyJeans

Capitalism sure is better than full-blown Socialism.

758 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:58:15pm

re: #750 goddessoftheclassroom

Thanks so much!

You're welcome.

759 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:58:48pm

re: #670 Kenneth

The Addicted Palestinians

* that means you, Barry.

barry should just wave his hand and transform the barbarians into kind, peace loving, decent people who will start focusing on creating a better society for themselves and the world.
he could add that to his heal the planet agenda.

760 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:59:04pm

re: #652 lawhawk

The JTC has said that it's not likely that any economic benefit will accrue from the porkfest at all.

There is one economic benefit that will accrue, but not to OUR benefit; Government Expansion and Economic Take-over.

761 UberInfidel67  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:59:12pm

re: #755 jcm Well I guess I will havew to cut Arlen Spector from my group of friends too. He's next on my list. You'd think that his brush with cancer made him respect life more. I guess not.

762 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:00:05pm

re: #757 debutaunt

I said full-blown Socialism because that is the core of O's policy objectives and agenda.

763 Teacake!  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:00:18pm
749 robdouth
re: #742 LGoPs

Respect your opinion DeafDog but I disagree about the flaw in my logic. My logic is based on the fact that I think the democrats have totally gone over to the leftist/socialist side and would love to have the government control everything. A collapse would give them that excuse. This democratic party is nothing like what it used to be when I was young.

While I agree with most of what you're saying, it's funny that what you think is a fact. I thought those were called opinions.


Its no secret that the Dem party is now controlled by George Soros, shouldn't even be called Dem's anymore.

764 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:00:22pm

re: #742 LGoPs

Respect your opinion DeafDog but I disagree about the flaw in my logic. My logic is based on the fact that I think the democrats have totally gone over to the leftist/socialist side and would love to have the government control everything. A collapse would give them that excuse. This democratic party is nothing like what it used to be when I was young.

This is the sentence where I think there is a logic flaw:

If the stimulus fails and in doing so deepens the problems by killing private sector jobs, no problem.

My take is there is a problem cause they are gonna get voted out. It's 50-50 on the economy recovering by 2010 right now. It would be higher, but they are going to increase taxes and that's going to start another downward cycle.

765 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:00:28pm

re: #604 Walter L. Newton

No, I'd rather see the auto industry start following a business model that works. Isn't that such a novel idea.

You're not talking about stimulating anything, you're talking about putting a band aid on the auto industry.

A big assist to something that has failed.

766 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:02:24pm

re: #696 avanti

Yes, and The Virtue of Selfisness, I own both.

The Virtue of Rational Self-Interest would have been a better title.

767 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:02:41pm
768 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:03:49pm

re: #765 debutaunt

A big assist to something that has failed.

Don't worry! We're going to DIG our way out of this HOLE!

769 gmsc  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:04:28pm

re: #766 debutaunt

The Virtue of Rational Self-Interest would have been a better title.

...but would grab less attention on the bookshelf.

770 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:06:38pm
771 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:07:39pm

re: #728 Walter L. Newton

Maybe you missed my question to you... I'll try again. Do you think you could grace me with an answer?

He shouldn't have to put a foot down. He promised no pork, no handouts to special interests, no pandering. He promised that BEFORE he was elected.

And you say clean up the package. Most of the package is PORK. If they clean it up, it would turn out to be kosher.

Sure, I don't agree that most of the package is pork. If you are opposed to any stimulus plan, it'll all be pork to you. There is perhaps 1% of the money that should be pulled and I hope will by final passage. Even 1% is billions of dollars and should be looked at.

772 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:11:17pm

re: #761 UberInfidel67

Well I guess I will havew to cut Arlen Spector from my group of friends too. He's next on my list. You'd think that his brush with cancer made him respect life more. I guess not.

I think I managed to get on a (D) do not doorbell list. Any time a (D) doorbelling hit my house, they soon beat a hasty retreat. Something about not being prepared for direct pointed questions or something. I've seen 'em in the neighbor but not on my doorstep for a couple of years.

773 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:12:32pm

re: #766 debutaunt

The Virtue of Rational Self-Interest would have been a better title.

You could apply rational self interest to a bail out. Ignore the numbers, but something like this. Say GM failing would cost the government and the economy 100 billion and you could save it for much less, it could be argued the selfish thing in the long run would be to help.

774 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:13:15pm

re: #759 nyc redneck

barry should just wave his hand and transform the barbarians into kind, peace loving, decent people who will start focusing on creating a better society for themselves and the world.
he could add that to his heal the planet agenda.

Hey you Palestinians, Change!

775 offendi  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:28:02pm

The Ad you just might see (imaginary) :

" Hi America, It's me Oprah Winfrey! You know our Dear Leader President Obama has said that we should buy American cars. And we should !
Got 5 pounds left to lose? Relationship problems? Feeling unfulfilled? Well, it just might mean that its time for you to buy .... a new American car !
You'll feel better. American car makers will feel better. And isn't that what our country is all about? .
Be patriotic like Joe Biden America. Buy red, white, and blue!

Sponsored by Obama Heavy Industries (socialist consolidated auto manufacturing, since 2009)

776 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:33:03pm

re: #773 avanti

You could apply rational self interest to a bail out. Ignore the numbers, but something like this. Say GM failing would cost the government and the economy 100 billion and you could save it for much less, it could be argued the selfish thing in the long run would be to help by not passing any stimulus at all and letting the markets dictate which business succeeds and which ones fail.

I completely agree!

777 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:35:20pm

re: #776 Oh no...Sand People!

I completely agree!

Because in economics being 'Selfish' means creating a good or a service that people WANTS or NEEDS! So if a business fails, it is because they didn't find something the public wanted.

778 Ceemack  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:53:13pm

re: #485 WriterMom

-10 C and you are cold? Or F?

If it's -10 C and you're cold you're a [censored].


...native Californian?

-10 Celsius is +14 Fahrenheit. I've been plenty cold at +14 F--but then, I've lived all my life where an overnight freeze is a memorable event.

Actually, if you're in the desert you can be plenty cold at +45 F.

779 Bob Dillon  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:59:20pm

re: #18 Cognito

I wish we could find a way to clamp a lid on Iran's influence, but it's a tough nut. They're exerting that influence like terrorists, through a loose, gauzy web of nudges and funding and tech-sharing.

My fervent hope is that the place will collapse from within its own borders.

It's actually quite simple and would take just the UK and the U.S. to pull it off.

Offer every airline in the world a choice.

They may have landing rights in either Iran OR the U.S. and UK.

Thats it. Take your pick. Land in Iran and permanently loose you UK and U.S. landing rights.

I know, no one has the huevos to do it. However it would work - think it thru.

780 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 2:22:04pm
781 Ziggy  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 5:02:41pm

This is why the conflict has to be waged until one side surrenders unconditionally or disappears.

782 dchrisma  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 5:55:07pm

When the area was under British control Arabs and Jews lived in a semi-peaceful state. When the world decided to give it to the Jews as a homeland, the Arabs objected and the Arabs decided (or were told to by their leaders) to leave. The surrounding Arab nations attacked the new state and tried to destroy it. When they failed, they left a lot of people hanging, (I won't call them refugees). They lived in other Arab states. One by One the Arab states have thrown them out with the exception of Lebanon because they cause so much havoc.

Nobody wants the Palis. They have indoctrinated their children in hate and war so long that they know nothing else.
War will continue as long as this isn't changed. A generation or two of children educated away from the camps, parents, imams is the only way to break the cycle.

783 schumi  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 8:35:43pm

How the hell did the Romans rule that place? Now those guys were badass.


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