Turkish PM Gets Hero’s Welcome in Istanbul for Jew-Hatred

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For his hateful outburst at Shimon Peres at the World Economic Forum, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan was given a hero’s welcome on his return to Istanbul.

Turkey is slipping back into the pre-Ataturk Dark Ages, with an Islamist prime minister at the helm.

UPDATE at 1/30/09 10:34:43 am:

Meanwhile, Shimon Peres and Tayyip Erdogan are friends again.

Despite his public spat with Recep Tayyip Erdogan at the World Economic Forum over the Gaza fighting, President Shimon Peres said Friday that his relationship with the Turkish prime minister had always been good and remained so.

Speaking to reporters in Davos, Peres said Turkey was an ally and an important country, both in the Middle East and the World. Peres said he spoke to Erdogan after the row in which the Turkish prime minister stormed off the stage.

“I called him up and said, ‘I do not see the matter as personal,’” Peres said. “My respect for him didn’t change. We had an exchange of views - and the views are views.”

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404 comments
1 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:14:46am

Relocate the Gazans to Istanbul. Everyone's happy. Right?

2 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:15:50am

Well, now I suppose the question becomes: Do we kick Turkey out of NATO? If they are going Islamist, we cannot let them be part of an organization formed to defend freedom.

3 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:16:10am

By the way, how did Constantinople become Istanbul again?

Oh, that's right... okupayshun.

4 MJ  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:16:26am

Unfortunately, Turkey needs a coup and they need it now....

"Kemalism" for Turkey: It's the only way forward.

5 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:17:25am
6 NYCHardhat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:17:29am

And they say America is the country of racism and intolerance.

7 zombie  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:18:02am
Turkey is slipping back into the pre-Ataturk Dark Ages

It only took us 500 years to defeat the Ottoman caliphate the first time around.

8 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:18:38am

Imagine the hero parade if he had also managed to throw a shoe.

9 logboy  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:18:39am

Time for a turkey dinner!

10 Bumr50  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:18:48am

re: #6 NYCHardhat

We're just not "global" enough.

//

11 Spider Mensch  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:19:33am

having visited turkey often in the 80's when they were at their most pro western (re: pro USA)..it still didn't impress me as a very welcoming country. lots of shit heads then, sounds like even more shitheads now.

12 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:19:51am

re: #6 NYCHardhat

And they say America is the country of racism and intolerance.

The people who say that are mostly using that idea as a cover for their own offenses, as a way to immobilize us. Too often it works, at least for a while, and innocents pay the price. We should listen to dirtbags like Erdogan. Let them seeth, we know we are right.

13 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:20:11am

Everyone -

This year we will not be doing "Spring Forward" when resetting our clocks.

Please set your clocks back to 1932.

Thank You.

14 KibbyKat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:20:26am

Tayyip will cheer up once he gets his unicorn.

15 bj  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:20:40am

Anybody besides me think that "panel" was stacked against Peres? Given his age, he was indeed passionate .. the most passionate I've seen him in a long time.

16 barry the baptist  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:20:42am

I saw this. What a turd. Ataturk would probably rip this guy's nuts off. Of course, we cannot omit the fact that this idiot was meeting with HAMAS just before the IDF offensive in December.

I haven't seen any response by the EU...which is a shame b/c Turkey is petitioning for entry. Hopefully SOMEONE in Europe will wake up and see this impending threat before it's too late.

17 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:20:58am

I want to hear again how the Israelis are not trying to attain peace.

18 Bumr50  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:21:05am

re: #8 Opinionated

On another forum this morning I was foolishly talking politics this a.m. and another poster ran a picture of an Iraqi sculptor who had created a giant, symbolic shoe statue and stated that as proof that "we should've left saadaam alone!"

Damn shoe-thrower.

19 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:21:17am
20 ORD neighbor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:21:17am

Ataturk must be going supersonic.

21 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:21:18am

re: #7 zombie

It only took us 500 years to defeat the Ottoman caliphate the first time around.

And the Byzantines had been fighting them for over 400 years before that.

22 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:21:20am

Peres is an old man and I wonder if he will still come to his senses vis a vis his appeasing policies and delusions of peace.

23 dentate  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:21:40am

re: #1 Occasional Reader

Relocate the Gazans to Istanbul. Everyone's happy. Right?

After all, they claim that they have all been there for generations; thus they were all Turkish citizens prior to 1918. If refugee status can be passed down, why not Turkish citizenship?

24 KibbyKat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:21:48am

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

We will be switching to Double Standard Time™.

Ding!

25 Bumr50  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:22:26am

re: #17 Joan Not of Arc

Amen. Or how Hamas can't be responsible for every rocket that flies out of Gaza.

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26 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:22:37am

re: #18 Bumr50

Image: 15213187.jpg

27 Bumr50  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:23:01am

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

BUY WAR BONDS!

28 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:23:25am

So let's see, we have a global economic crisis that is highly unlikely to get better anytime soon, and an ideology with hate as a cornerstone seemingly on the move, slowly perhaps, but relentlessly. Historical parallels to the 1930's? I'm beginning to think so. And the 1930's didn't end well.

29 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:23:29am
30 MJ  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:23:43am

I wish Peres hadn't called Erdogan:

Peres, Erdogan make up after brouhaha
By Ron Kampeas · January 30, 2009

(JTA) -- Israeli President Shimon Peres and Turkish Prime Minister Recip Erdogan spoke on the phone after a rancorous public falling-out.

"I am very sorry for what happened and friends could sometimes have an argument between themselves," Peres told Erdogan during the telephone conversation, according to Ha'aretz. "I have always had a great respect for the Republic of Turkey and you as the prime minister. I consider myself as a friend of Turkey and Premier Erdogan."

The two leaders fell out Thursday during a panel discussion at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Erdogan had made the case that Israel and the international community must bring Hamas into negotiations because the group won legislative elections and controls the Gaza Strip. he also criticized Israel's actions during the Gaza Strip war.

Peres delivered an emotional reply, accusing Erdogan of exaggerating Israel's fault in its war with Hamas.

"Hamas participated in the elections, but they have a very unique idea about democracy," Peres said. "They think a democracy is a story of one day in four years. You go through the elections. After the elections, you can start to shoot and kill and threaten. Finished. Democracy is not a matter of elections. It is a civilization."

Erdogan wanted to reply, but David Ignatius, the Washington Post columnist moderating the discussion, cut him short, saying the session was over.

Erdogan accused Israel of "barbarianism," gathered his papers and left the hall.

Upon returning to Turkey, where he faces elections, Erdogan said his departure was a matter of Turkish "esteem."

[Link: jta.org...]

31 Bumr50  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:24:11am

re: #26 Opinionated

Thanks.

32 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:24:39am

re: #30 MJ

Peres will die an idiot.

33 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:25:38am

re: #27 Bumr50

BUY WAR BONDS!

No, thanks. I'm not letting BHO borrow any of my money. He has shown himself throughout his life to be very poor at money management. I have to pay my taxes, and I have. He gets that and no more.

34 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:25:49am

re: #30 MJ

Erdogan said his departure was a matter of Turkish "esteem."

Pathological. My ranting hatred directed against you was necessary for my self-esteem. Great.

35 barry the baptist  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:26:00am

Confucius once said that, 'agovernment is good when those near are happy and those far off are attracted.'

Show me ANYONE who wants to immigrate/emigrate to ANY Middle Eastern thugocracy, China, Cuba, etc.

Screw Turkey, and screw that A-Hole Erdogan. They should have been kicked out of NATO after refusing to help an ally during last Iraqi campaign.

By the way, I WANT A RETURN OF THE HAGIA SOFIA TO BEING A CHRISTIAN CHURCH! DAMMIT!

36 Bumr50  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:26:51am

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

I was instructed in a previous post to reset my clock to 1932.
I was looking ahead.

37 dentate  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:27:28am

re: #35 barry the baptist

By the way, I WANT A RETURN OF THE HAGIA SOFIA TO BEING A CHRISTIAN CHURCH! DAMMIT!

Yes, that will happen immediately after the Dome of the Rock is razed to make way for the Third Temple.

38 Bumr50  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:27:45am

re: #35 barry the baptist

NATO is a topic that I haven't seen for a while.

39 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:28:10am

Must put food in belly. Later.

40 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:29:41am

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

We will be switching to Double Standard Time™.

Buzzsaw -

Please never leave this board. Ever. Your sharp wit keeps me sane.

41 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:29:53am

re: #13 karmic_inquisitor

Everyone -

This year we will not be doing "Spring Forward" when resetting our clocks.

Please set your clocks back to 1932.

Thank You.


1939 is more like it

42 thefallingman  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:29:56am

Turks have always been...odd. The description of some of their practices in Lawrence's Seven Pilars of Wisdom was enough to make me want to stay away. If they slip back into full Islamist mode with their predilictions, they will be even less of an ally than they currently are.

43 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:29:56am
44 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:30:12am

re: #37 dentate

Yes, that will happen immediately after the Dome of the Rock is razed to make way for the Third Temple.

Which I would never support. I agree that the Hagia Sofia ideally should be a church, but to harm the Dome of the Rock (which is a beautiful and historic building) would be just plain wrong. Just saying.

45 maddogg  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:30:37am
Turkey is slipping back into the pre-Ataturk Dark Ages, with an Islamist prime minister at the helm.


It is sure looking that way. Too bad.

46 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:30:53am
47 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:31:20am
48 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:32:14am

re: #38 Bumr50

NATO is a topic that I haven't seen for a while.

For a short while I thought the US should leave NATO.

At this point I think it would be enough to pull our forces out of NATO countries and make them start having to sacrifice for their own defense. That would force many to recalibrate their rhetoric back to a pro-western value system.

49 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:32:27am

........"Battle lines being drawn.
Nobody's right if everyone's wrong."

Well, ok, Shimon Peres isn't wrong.

50 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:33:07am

I saw on Fox this morning that the asshole who threw shoes at Pres. Bush now has a statue erected for him.

51 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:33:37am
52 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:33:50am

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

So now the birds can excrete on him. Seems fair to me.

It's a giant shoe.

53 thefallingman  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:34:12am

re: #47 ploome hineni
Agreed.

54 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:34:13am

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, here's something useful for the UN to do, for a change: raise money to move the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque to Jordan. Or Damascus. Or Medina. Anyway, somewhere else.

If the UN could raise the money to move the statues of Abu Simbel--and the entire temple cut into the rocks there--higher up the hills so that they would not be inundated by the Aswan Dam (which, IIRC, the UN also had a hand in funding and building), then it can advance the cause of world peace by relocating these structures.

Which makes me think of an important, new theology question:

What is more holy - a flying horse or a unicorn?

55 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:34:21am

Here's an idea. Let's throw money at Gaza!

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Somebody just punch me in the face.

56 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:34:28am

re: #52 MandyManners

It's a giant shoe.

They should take that shoe and shove it up his Islamist ass.

57 maddogg  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:34:31am

re: #42 thefallingman

Turks have always been...odd. The description of some of their practices in Lawrence's Seven Pilars of Wisdom was enough to make me want to stay away. If they slip back into full Islamist mode with their predilictions, they will be even less of an ally than they currently are.

I read that book. I think Lawrence must have been a better leader than writer. I found much of it laborious to read and easy to put down.

58 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:35:04am

re: #55 capitalist piglet

Here's an idea. Let's throw money at Gaza!

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Somebody just punch me in the face.

OK.

POW!

59 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:35:45am

The best part about having a fight is the make-up sex.

///

60 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:35:54am

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

OK.

POW!

Thank you, but I was hoping for one hard enough to knock me out cold, so I wouldn't have to read the news.

61 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:35:59am

re: #41 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

1939 is more like it

No, I agree with KI more. It is 1932-33 all over again. Look at who was just elected president. BHO is an FDR wannabe. Now, that said, it could be 1939 much faster than it was last time around.

62 zombie  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:36:10am

re: #21 Honorary Yooper

And the Byzantines had been fighting them for over 400 years before that.

Actually, the Ottoman Dynasty lasted 723 years (starting in 1299), but the Ottomon Caliphate didn't really become official until the early 1500s.

I guess the difference is, for the first two hundreds years, the Ottomans just thought of themselves as the supreme warlords of the region, but after they had firm control, they assumed the religious mantle as the official representatives of Islam to the rest of the world.

63 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:36:19am

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

They should take that shoe and shove it up his Islamist ass.

Zounds!

64 opnion  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:36:48am

Turkey want's to be admitted tio the EU. Is this really the way to do it?
Maybe

65 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:36:49am

re: #60 capitalist piglet

Thank you, but I was hoping for one hard enough to knock me out cold, so I wouldn't have to read the news.

Sorry, I can't risk giving you brain damage. We need you here.

66 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:37:09am

re: #61 Honorary Yooper

No, I agree with KI more. It is 1932-33 all over again. Look at who was just elected president. BHO is an FDR wannabe. Now, that said, it could be 1939 much faster than it was last time around.

But, the forces of liberty and light are awake this time.

67 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:37:22am

re: #59 WriterMom

The best part about having a fight is the make-up sex.

///

Once again Israel will take it up the ass as the world watches.

68 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:37:58am

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Which I would never support. I agree that the Hagia Sofia ideally should be a church, but to harm the Dome of the Rock (which is a beautiful and historic building) would be just plain wrong. Just saying.

I would. It is just another example of islam stealing holy places of other established religions (i.e. Istanbul was once Christian Constantinople):

History of the Dome of the Rock

The sacred rock over which the Dome of the Rock is built was considered holy before the arrival of Islam. Jews believed, and still believe, the rock to be the very place where Abraham prepared to sacrifice Isaac (an event which Muslims place in Mecca). In addition, the Dome of the Rock (or the adjacent Dome of the Chain) is believed by many to stand directly over the site of the Holy of Holies of both Solomon's Temple and Herod's Temple.
69 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:38:13am

re: #30 MJ

Upon returning to Turkey, where he faces elections, Erdogan said his departure was a matter of Turkish "esteem."

Everything in the Muslim world needs to be viewed through the honour/shame prism. EVERYTHING.

70 Lee Coller  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:38:42am

re: #61 Honorary Yooper

No, I agree with KI more. It is 1932-33 all over again. Look at who was just elected president. BHO is an FDR wannabe. Now, that said, it could be 1939 much faster than it was last time around.

It's even worse, he's an FDR wannabe on the social/economic side and a Paleo-con wannabe (isolationist) on the foreign policy front. He's got the worst of both parties from the 30's.

71 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:39:05am

re: #50 MandyManners

I saw on Fox this morning that the asshole who threw shoes at Pres. Bush now has a statue erected for him.

Already? Made of paper mache, I take it?

72 thefallingman  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:39:08am

re: #50 MandyManners
Where? In Egypt? I mean, that's where the guy's from...

73 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:39:16am

re: #1 Occasional Reader

Relocate the Gazans to Istanbul. Everyone's happy. Right?

Istanbul, not Constantinople.....

Youtube Video
74 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:39:25am

re: #62 zombie

I thinking of the Turks as a whole, not just the Ottomans, but the Selujiks as well. Manzikert was a loss to the Selujik Turks in 1071, almost 400 years before they lost Constantinople to the Ottoman Turks.

75 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:39:33am

re: #66 MandyManners

But, the forces of liberty and light are awake this time.

They were last time too, in the form of Winston Churchill, but no one listened to him and he was widely derided as an alarmist and a warmonger for continually warning about the trouble brewing.

76 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:39:42am

re: #55 capitalist piglet

A real f&cking disgrace that your hard earned dollars are funding psychopathic Jew-killing Palestinian terrorists.

77 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:39:56am

re: #66 MandyManners

But, the forces of liberty and light are awake this time.

Are they? I wish I could be as optimistic.

78 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:40:04am

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Awwwww...thanks, D/F.

79 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:40:25am

re: #62 zombie

Actually, the Ottoman Dynasty lasted 723 years (starting in 1299), but the Ottomon Caliphate didn't really become official until the early 1500s.

I guess the difference is, for the first two hundreds years, the Ottomans just thought of themselves as the supreme warlords of the region, but after they had firm control, they assumed the religious mantle as the official representatives of Islam to the rest of the world.

Actually, the Ottoman's assumed the title of Caliph after they conquered Egypt under Sultan Salim I. At the time, the caliph had become a court official in the Egyptian Mamluke Sultan's court. After the Ottoman conquest, the last such caliph abdicated in favor of Sultan Salim, who was also the only Sultan to make the Haji, the Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca.

80 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:41:02am

re: #75 Leonidas Hoplite

They were last time too, in the form of Winston Churchill, but no one listened to him and he was widely derided as an alarmist and a warmonger for continually warning about the trouble brewing.

Yes, he was certainly considered those things. But on a bright note, when the government was forced to bring him back as First Lord of the Admiralty, throughout the fleet was signaled "Winston's Back!"

Sailors are cool.

:-)

81 tfc3rid  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:41:52am

Sorry to go OT:

Third ballot just completed in RNC Chair election... Michael Steele gaining support. 51 votes last ballot (needs 86 to win)...

82 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:42:17am
83 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:42:39am

More Turkish Taffy Daffy

84 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:42:42am

re: #76 WriterMom

A real f&cking disgrace that your hard earned dollars are funding psychopathic Jew-killing Palestinian terrorists.

I agree. Sickening...and this is just the beginning. A week and a half in, and whose ___ do we kiss? I'm going to need drugs before this is over.

85 dentate  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:42:55am

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, here's something useful for the UN to do, for a change: raise money to move the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque to Jordan. Or Damascus. Or Medina. Anyway, somewhere else.

If the UN could raise the money to move the statues of Abu Simbel--and the entire temple cut into the rocks there--higher up the hills so that they would not be inundated by the Aswan Dam (which, IIRC, the UN also had a hand in funding and building), then it can advance the cause of world peace by relocating these structures.

The dome of the rock was modeled on a church, might actually have had one there before it was built, and it was actually converted into a church under the Crusaders. Here's one source:

[Link: www.israeltoday.co.il...]

86 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:42:58am

re: #68 vapig

I know the history. However, it was the Romans who demolished the Second Temple, the Arabs just replaced it with their own structure. Maybe they should not have done so, but to my mind the Dome is there now and ought to stay.

87 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:43:01am

re: #71 vapig

Already? Made of paper mache, I take it?

re: #72 thefallingman

Where? In Egypt? I mean, that's where the guy's from...

I have no idea. I gave it passing attention.

88 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:43:04am

re: #76 WriterMom

A real f&cking disgrace that your hard earned dollars are funding psychopathic Jew-killing Palestinian terrorists.

It is a disgrace! You'll get no argument from me. I'd also like to cut monies given to every single mother bleeping islamic country out there!

89 thefallingman  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:43:20am

re: #57 maddogg
The secret to finishing it is Hydroxycut. Get your heart rate way up and then read a dull book to bring it back down. And he was a top-notch leader. Third person accounts of what he did and how he organized the Arabs show him to have at least an above-average military mind.

90 maddogg  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:43:23am

re: #80 subsailor68

Yes, he was certainly considered those things. But on a bright note, when the government was forced to bring him back as First Lord of the Admiralty, throughout the fleet was signaled "Winston's Back!"

Sailors are cool.

:-)

Please note that when the war was over, the British couldn't wait to give him the bums' rush out of office. Gratitude.

91 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:43:30am

re: #75 Leonidas Hoplite

They were last time too, in the form of Winston Churchill, but no one listened to him and he was widely derided as an alarmist and a warmonger for continually warning about the trouble brewing.

We don't have a Churchill but, we have the Internet.

92 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:43:44am

The Turks have never actually been very, how shall we say...friendly to the Jews. Plus, they gave Hitler some pretty substantial inspiration for genocide through their genocide against the Armenians. Hitler said (I'm paraphrasing), 'who will remember the Armenians?'. Jihad against the Jews and the Christians. And now we are surprised that their Dear Leader popped an honour/shame gasket supposedly because of Gaza. Gimme a break.

zzzzzzzzz

93 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:43:53am

Earthquake in Turkey, or is it just Kemel Ataturk spinning in his grave?

94 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:44:27am

re: #91 MandyManners

You say twenty Hail Gorebuls now, young lady.

95 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:44:35am

re: #77 Honorary Yooper

Are they? I wish I could be as optimistic.

I try to think of myself (today, at least) as an optimistic realist.

96 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:45:09am

re: #77 Honorary Yooper

Are they? I wish I could be as optimistic.

Quite! 52% of us voted in a freedom killing socialist with communist tendancies. NOT a good sign!

97 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:45:22am

re: #90 maddogg

Please note that when the war was over, the British couldn't wait to give him the bums' rush out of office. Gratitude.

That's very true. But, after about four years of total disaster, they once again turned to him.

98 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:45:34am

that jackass walked off because he was bested by the passionate, intelligent, cogent words mr. peres spoke.
and when he got applause from a tough audience,
erdogan short-circuited.
all he could do was stalk away in a huff.
besides mr. peres, none of the participants in that forum had anything to say, except trite b.s., tinged w/ bitterness.

mr. peres was the star. and they couldn't stand it.

99 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:45:39am
100 tfc3rid  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:45:42am

re: #96 vapig

Quite! 52% of us voted in a freedom killing socialist with communist tendancies. NOT a good sign!

52% of voters... Really it is something like 20% of the US population...

101 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:46:29am

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

England has separation of Churchill and state. That's why they are having such policy problems.

Okay, now, that's brilliant!

:-)

102 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:46:40am

re: #91 MandyManners

We don't have a Churchill but, we have the Internet.


True to be sure but we still need a standard-bearer to rally around

103 debutaunt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:46:42am

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

England has separation of Churchill and state. That's why they are having such policy problems.

I love it Buzzsaw! Perfect!

104 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:46:44am

re: #100 tfc3rid

52% of voters... Really it is something like 20% of the US population...

And let's not forget to factor in the "protest" voters who refused to vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough ...

105 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:46:46am

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

England's biggest problem is importing vast numbers of "Asian" immigrants who wish to establish sharia law in the UK, and their pussy-footing around the problem, and not fighting back.

106 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:46:50am

re: #94 WriterMom

You say twenty Hail Gorebuls now, young lady.

Yeah, right before I read Erich Segal's story about his and Tipper's romance.

107 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:47:13am

re: #80 subsailor68

Yes, he was certainly considered those things. But on a bright note, when the government was forced to bring him back as First Lord of the Admiralty, throughout the fleet was signaled "Winston's Back!"

Sailors are cool.

:-)


agreed! as are soldiers, marines and airmen

108 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:47:30am

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

We will be switching to Double Standard Time™.

Not to be confused with Israeli double standard time™, which applies to all days ending in Y (shamelessly stolen from Meryl Yourish).

109 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:47:37am

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

I know the history. However, it was the Romans who demolished the Second Temple, the Arabs just replaced it with their own structure. Maybe they should not have done so, but to my mind the Dome is there now and ought to stay.

No - I disagree. Considering islams dogged determination to kill every Jew on the face of the planet, I certainly don't want an islamic "shrine" on Jewish soil.

110 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:47:53am

re: #107 Leonidas Hoplite

agreed! as are soldiers, marines and airmen

You bet!

111 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:48:09am
112 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:48:31am

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Well, now I suppose the question becomes: Do we kick Turkey out of NATO? If they are going Islamist, we cannot let them be part of an organization formed to defend freedom.

We'd have to kick out more than Turkey if defending freedom where the sole criteria.

Once again Israel extends a conciliatory hand and gets nothing but air. Olmert considers this the act of friends?!?

113 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:48:34am

re: #101 subsailor68

Okay, now, that's brilliant!

:-)

Buzz sure is. I want to be like him when I become a grown up lizard....
Sincerely - no snideness intended.
:)

114 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:48:48am

re: #111 buzzsawmonkey

You're like butter - on a roll...

115 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:48:50am

re: #111 buzzsawmonkey

The unholiest of alliances. Disgusting.

116 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:48:53am

Churchill.

Youtube Video
117 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:49:00am
118 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:49:11am

re: #114 lawhawk

Like BUTTAH!

119 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:49:32am

re: #102 Leonidas Hoplite

True to be sure but we still need a standard-bearer to rally around

Why?

120 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:49:34am

re: #117 ploome hineni

Moshe Dayan really screwed that up.

121 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:50:05am

OT - UK Jihadi WannaBe gets 18 years for suicide bombing attempt.

A vulnerable Muslim convert who was persuaded online by shadowy Pakistan-based extremists into trying to carry out a suicide bomb attack on a busy restaurant was jailed for a minimum of 18-years today.

Nicky Reilly, 22, who has Asperger's syndrome and a mental age of 10, was described as the “least cunning” person ever to have been charged with terrorism.

He was directed how to build bombs filled with hundreds of nails, which he attempted to detonate at the Giraffe restaurant in Exeter in May.

122 opnion  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:50:12am

re: #109 vapig

No - I disagree. Considering islams dogged determination to kill every Jew on the face of the planet, I certainly don't want an islamic "shrine" on Jewish soil.

No,no that is not being culturally sensitive. I say let it stay as long as Christian Churches are erected in oh, let me think, Mecca.

123 zombie  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:50:19am

re: #74 Honorary Yooper

I thinking of the Turks as a whole, not just the Ottomans, but the Selujiks as well. Manzikert was a loss to the Selujik Turks in 1071, almost 400 years before they lost Constantinople to the Ottoman Turks.

Ah yes, the Turks have been around loonger than just the Ottoman Dynasty.

Nice to converse with someone who knows his near Eastern History! Next up: A discussion of the Khanate of the Golden Horde!

124 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:50:48am

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

England has separation of Churchill and state. That's why they are having such policy problems.

The Brits have banned even teaching about Winston Churchill in their government indoctrination centers.

125 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:50:59am

re: #112 FurryOldGuyJeans

We'd have to kick out more than Turkey if defending freedom where the sole criteria.

Once again Israel extends a conciliatory hand and gets nothing but air. Olmert considers this the act of friends?!?

No, probably doesn't. He just doesn't want to admit what is going on. That why he's on the way out. He can't leave soon enough for me.

126 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:51:32am

re: #119 MandyManners

Why?


Crowds generally don't get anything done unless there is leadership.

127 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:51:41am
128 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:51:48am

re: #1 Occasional Reader

Relocate the Gazans to Istanbul. Everyone's happy. Right?

Wrong. The Turks bathe whereas...

129 BakiShamil  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:52:38am

The World is burning

130 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:52:46am
131 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:53:16am

Here's a winning story about the IRS and tax season, courtesy of the AP:

Even in hard times, don't ignore the IRS
You may find you're due a larger refund than you expected

In general, you'd be right, except if you're Tim Geithner or Charlie Rangel, in which case you can ignore 'em all the time and keep more of your own money from ever being taxed at all.

132 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:53:19am

re: #129 BakiShamil

It's been burning for a while, my friend.

133 mean Gene  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:53:42am

Did Erdogan ever get to ''finish his thought?"
And, if he did, how long did it take him?
I'm betting 'way more than the other 10 or 12 minutes he was insisting on being given at the Forum.

134 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:53:55am

re: #124 vapig

The Brits have banned even teaching about Winston Churchill in their government indoctrination centers.

That's absolutely outrageous. And did you see what they're replacing him with? From the article:

Secondary schools will strip back the traditional curriculum in favour of lessons on debt management, the environment and healthy eating, ministers revealed.

Absolute morons.

135 dentate  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:54:00am

re: #123 zombie

Ah yes, the Turks have been around loonger than just the Ottoman Dynasty.

Nice to converse with someone who knows his near Eastern History! Next up: A discussion of the Khanate of the Golden Horde!

Bizarre irony that the rulers of the Golden Horde, which ruled a Christian land, converted to Islam, while the Il-khans of Persia were Christians, following the tradition of Genghis' grandson Hulegu and his wife Doquz Khatun. The moment their descendants converted to Islam that was the end of them.

136 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:54:27am

re: #67 karmic_inquisitor

Once again Israel will take it up the ass as the world watches. cries crocodile tears


Fixed it.

137 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:54:57am
138 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:55:28am
139 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:55:31am
140 Miss Molly  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:55:51am

It seems that any Muslim that gets in front of a TV camera has to prove themselves by trashing Israel. With Barry in the White House Israel is going to have a tough time in front of them.

141 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:56:02am

re: #124 vapig

The Brits have banned even teaching about Winston Churchill in their government indoctrination centers.

Along with Hitler, Gandhi, Stalin and Martin Luther King, the former prime minister has been dropped from a list of key figures to be mentioned in history teaching.

Who the fuck sets this curriculla? It must be a hostile power - to paraphrase somebody smarter than me, who's name I can't recall.
And it's being done and has been done here too. We've just recently reaped the 'rewards' of that in this last election.

Whoever controls the curricullum, controls the future. We, and the Brits, need to sieze it back or all is lost.

142 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:56:13am

re: #124 vapig

The Brits have banned even teaching about Winston Churchill in their government indoctrination centers.

I'd forgotten that. Despicable.

143 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:56:24am

re: #133 mean Gene

Did Erdogan ever get to ''finish his thought?"
And, if he did, how long did it take him?
I'm betting 'way more than the other 10 or 12 minutes he was insisting on being given at the Forum.

he was a bumbling fool. it didn't look like he even had a thought.
at that point.
he crumbled and stalked off.
what a hero. lol you don't have to do much to be a hero in the moslem world.

144 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:56:45am

re: #139 ploome hineni

disappearing history

Well, on the bright side, it's being replaced with debt management, environment, and healthy eating.

///

145 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:57:01am
146 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:57:02am

re: #126 Leonidas Hoplite

Crowds generally don't get anything done unless there is leadership.

This is true. How about multiple leaders on the Internet? Charles Johnson is one.

147 faraway  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:57:02am

re: #124 vapig

The Brits have banned even teaching about Winston Churchill in their government indoctrination centers.

Does a conservative country exist? Is it Australia?

148 MJ  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:57:09am

Here's a photo of that pathetic monument to the Iraqi shoe-thrower:

Monument to Bush shoe-throwing shines at Iraqi orphanage

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

149 opnion  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:57:31am

re: #140 Miss Molly

It seems that any Muslim that gets in front of a TV camera has to prove themselves by trashing Israel. With Barry in the White House Israel is going to have a tough time in front of them.

I do believe that BHO's American Jewish supporters will have buyers remorse.

150 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:57:50am

re: #133 mean Gene

Did Erdogan ever get to ''finish his thought?"
And, if he did, how long did it take him?
I'm betting 'way more than the other 10 or 12 minutes he was insisting on being given at the Forum.

His though can boiled down to what may be found in Sharia and the Koran. Anything else is evil to him, especially the idea of an assertive Jew.

151 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:58:00am

OT, but some discussion in the dead thread lead to this:

(to the tune of Me and Bobby McGee)

Me And Barack Hussein

Busted flat in the USA
Looking for a job
Feeling near as worn out as my shoes

Barack passed a bailout bill
With millions for ACORN
Then I knew I’d get screwed

I took my last dollar
Out of my dirty empty wallet
And was feeling sad when Barack said he’d help

With them Democrats raisin’ taxes
And Barack passing gas
They helped the bank that foreclosed my home

Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose
And Barack says this land is free
Freedom seemed easier before he came to town
And I had some money to spend on me.

152 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:58:09am

re: #111 buzzsawmonkey

That and the galloping leftism there, working in harmony:

Communism: "share and share alike."

Islam: "sharia and sharia-like."

Need some lyrics - "Que Sharia Sharia"

When I was just a little girl
I asked my mother, what will I be
Will I be pretty, will I be rich
Here's what she said to me.

Que Sharia, Sharia
Do whatever the Imam says
The future's not ours, you see
Que Sharia Sharia
Now put on your Burka, please

When I was young, I fell in love
I asked my sweetheart what lies ahead
Will we have rainbows, day after day
Here's what my sweetheart said.

Que Sharia Sharia
Whatever I say, you do
The future's not yours, it's mine
Que Sharia Sharia
Till I say "I divorce thee" thrice

153 dentate  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:58:15am

re: #149 opnion

I do believe that BHO's American Jewish supporters will have buyersBarry remorse.

154 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:58:19am
155 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:58:19am

re: #141 LGoPs

Who the fuck sets this curriculla? It must be a hostile power - to paraphrase somebody smarter than me, who's name I can't recall.
And it's being done and has been done here too. We've just recently reaped the 'rewards' of that in this last election.

Whoever controls the curricullum, controls the future. We, and the Brits, need to sieze it back or all is lost.

From the article:

The omission of Churchill added to a growing row over Labour reforms to secondary education - the most radical since the national curriculum was introduced in 1988.

156 BakiShamil  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:58:33am

re: #132 calcajun

It's been burning for a while, my friend.

I agree but lately its burning Intensively

157 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:58:37am

re: #124 vapig

The Brits have banned even teaching about Winston Churchill in their government indoctrination centers.

Do they also want to not teach about the Holocaust?

158 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:58:56am
159 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:59:18am
160 maddogg  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:59:20am

re: #124 vapig

The Brits have banned even teaching about Winston Churchill in their government indoctrination centers.

In their quest for mediocrity, Leftard equality, greatness must be made distasteful, if not outright evil. The British are selling their heritage cheaply. They will come to regret it.

161 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:59:20am

re: #154 ploome hineni

same sex marriage, gay priesthood, and (serial temporary) domestic partners

Everything needed to ensure a well-rounded education!

//

162 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:59:31am

WOLVERINES!

163 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:59:34am

re: #117 ploome hineni

Jews are/were very wary of taking control of the Temple Mount

too many religious kooks abound

but leaving it for the moslims was a very bad idea

/and forgeddabout the church

lol

remember the church of the Holy Sepulcher

As well as the Buddhist Statues. Islam is an equal opportunity defiler.

164 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:59:36am

re: #143 nyc redneck

you don't have to do much to be a hero in the moslem world.

You can kill some Jews, that always works.

165 monkeytime  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:59:48am

re: #148 MJ

Here's a photo of that pathetic monument to the Iraqi shoe-thrower:

Monument to Bush shoe-throwing shines at Iraqi orphanage

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Really though, what else do they have?

166 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:00:08am
167 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:00:09am

re: #160 maddogg

In their quest for mediocrity, Leftard equality, greatness must be made distasteful, if not outright evil. The British are selling their heritage cheaply. They will come to regret it.

They're also not teaching about Hitler. Think of what that means.

168 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:00:30am

re: #148 MJ

Here's a photo of that pathetic monument to the Iraqi shoe-thrower:

Monument to Bush shoe-throwing shines at Iraqi orphanage

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Good grief. It looks like a loaf of bread. They're not even good at that.

169 opnion  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:00:36am

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

His though can boiled down to what may be found in Sharia and the Koran. Anything else is evil to him, especially the idea of an assertive Jew.

Erdogan makes his views fairly obvious in Turkey. His wife even wears the traditional chador. Yet they voted for him, a very bad sign.
The real issue is where will the Military be , if he tries to establish an Islamic Republic.

170 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:00:43am
171 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:00:56am

it is odd how the brits are distancing themselves from so much abt. their culture that once made them a great nation. shutting out churchill is suicide.
they should take pride in leaders like him. not feel shame.

172 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:01:07am
173 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:01:09am

re: #157 MandyManners

Do they also want to not teach about the Holocaust?


IIRC, didn't they skip the last Holocaust Remembrance Day?

174 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:01:24am
“I called him up and said, ‘I do not see the matter as personal,’” Peres said. “My respect for him didn’t change. We had an exchange of views - and the views are views.”

Would that it were only personal. But its not. Its national, its religious. That's much worse than personal. Mafia types are always saying, "its nothing personal," before they knife you in the back.

175 maddogg  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:02:03am

re: #167 MandyManners

They're also not teaching about Hitler. Think of what that means.

I suspect that when the Islamists are running the show, Hitler will be back on the menu, but not Winston, he sends the wrong message.

176 Neutral President  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:02:04am

re: #134 subsailor68

That's absolutely outrageous. And did you see what they're replacing him with? From the article:

Secondary schools will strip back the traditional curriculum in favour of lessons on debt management, the environment and healthy eating, ministers revealed.

Absolute morons.

Did you see the "Science" section on that page. In a nutshell: Stop teaching science and teach Stem Cells, Animal Rights, Nuclear Power is Bad.

The geography section: Gorebull Warming, Tsunamis, and Globalism is bad.

The film PCU is looking less like comedy and more like a documentary now. Are they going to replace the football team with Bisexual Asian Studies next?

177 Miss Molly  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:02:14am

Opnion-- I hope you are right but the American Jewish Community seems to be tone deaf when it comes to Barry. By the time they wake up Israel and the rest of us will have had some real damage done from Barry's real plans.

178 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:02:40am

re: #134 subsailor68

That's absolutely outrageous. And did you see what they're replacing him with? From the article:

Secondary schools will strip back the traditional curriculum in favour of lessons on debt management, the environment and healthy eating, ministers revealed.

Absolute morons.

Yeah - regarding enviroment - read: global warming. Schools really shouldn't be political.

179 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:02:55am
180 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:02:55am

re: #166 ploome hineni

in some schools they cannot

the fkn musims disrupt and get violent

Appeasing the partners of Hitler yet refusing to teach what he and they did. It's a recipe for MASSIVE numbers of Holocaust deniers.

181 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:03:09am

re: #124 vapig

The Brits have banned even teaching about Winston Churchill in their government indoctrination centers.

Along with Hitler, Gandhi, Stalin and Martin Luther King, the former prime minister has been dropped from a list of key figures to be mentioned in history teaching.

Are the fucksticks proposing this sentient beings? Do they not reflect on the irony of eliminating these figures from the teaching of history and scratch their heads as to what exactly, does constitute history teaching.....
Some people don't need talking to or reasoning with. They just need a good slap upside the fucking head.......

182 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:03:15am

re: #172 buzzsawmonkey

Letting the children know about such nasty things is not considered Holocaust-effective.

*whack*

183 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:03:15am

re: #170 ploome hineni

yep

/forgot abortion and how to place a condom on a banana

I've never figured out how putting a condom on a banana prevents unwanted pregnancies. But then, I'm a little slow.

184 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:03:16am

re: #157 MandyManners

Do they also want to not teach about the Holocaust?

Yes, its been dropped in many places. Muslim students become very hostile in Britain when the Holocaust is brought up, and rather than insisting on the truth, the teachers bow down, pass over murder in silence and act like good little dhimmis. Fools.

185 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:03:38am

re: #173 Leonidas Hoplite

IIRC, didn't they skip the last Holocaust Remembrance Day?

I don't know if England did but, Spain did this year.

186 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:03:51am
187 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:03:52am

re: #176 ArchangelMichael

Did you see the "Science" section on that page. In a nutshell: Stop teaching science and teach Stem Cells, Animal Rights, Nuclear Power is Bad.

The geography section: Gorebull Warming, Tsunamis, and Globalism is bad.

The film PCU is looking less like comedy and more like a documentary now. Are they going to replace the football team with Bisexual Asian Studies next?

Don't knock it 'til....

188 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:04:16am

re: #175 maddogg

I suspect that when the Islamists are running the show, Hitler will be back on the menu, but not Winston, he sends the wrong message.

I hope the parents are teaching their kids.

189 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:04:25am
190 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:04:47am

re: #155 subsailor68

From the article:

The omission of Churchill added to a growing row over Labour reforms to secondary education - the most radical since the national curriculum was introduced in 1988.

Yeah, just one of the many synonyms for Commie Bastards......along with Progressive here.....

191 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:05:05am

Speaking of kids, I gotta' go tidy up The Kid's room. bbl

192 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:05:06am

re: #157 MandyManners

Do they also want to not teach about the Holocaust?

Yes - because that would offend muslims.

193 opnion  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:05:20am

re: #157 MandyManners

Do they also want to not teach about the Holocaust?

They already have stopped that due to complaints for the RoP.

194 Lincolntf  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:06:07am

The fact that Peres still considers Erdogan a swell guy, and says that there's "nothing personal" about an Islamist Prime Minister essentially calling his country a bunch of lying barbarians ticks me off.
A note to Israeli leaders: If you want the rest of the world to support you and stand up when they see anti-semitic garbage being spewed, then maybe you should get the balls to do some of it yourselves. Nobody respects someone who doesn't respect themselves.

195 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:06:11am

re: #179 ploome hineni

I think, Churchill was always mre popular here in America than in England

remember his party was defeated after the war

I have this idea for a graphic novel in which the islamists are poised to take over Great Britain. The opening panels show the Crown Jewels being packed up & shipped to Ft. Knox (as they were in WWII) & Churchill's grave being dug up so he can be re-interred in America.

196 MJ  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:06:27am

In a first public appearance since he went into hiding a month ago, Top Hamas official declares victory over Israel in Gaza rally.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Did he go back into his hole after declaring "victory"?

197 opnion  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:06:32am

re: #170 ploome hineni

yep

/forgot abortion and how to place a condom on a banana

I don't get that, you know the banana thing. Ok, if the banana has a date that night, then I get it.

198 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:06:34am
199 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:06:52am

re: #179 ploome hineni

I think, Churchill was always mre popular here in America than in England

remember his party was defeated after the war

it always happens like that. the wimps crawl out when it is safe.
and try to get rid of people like churchill.
his courage, once needed, becomes frightening to them.

200 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:07:02am

re: #183 subsailor68

I've never figured out how putting a condom on a banana prevents unwanted pregnancies. But then, I'm a little slow.

I think it has something to do with Al Gore's Global Warming Cult and its fertility practices.

201 faraway  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:07:07am

re: #188 MandyManners

I hope the parents are teaching their kids.

Oh, the Islamic parents are for sure.

202 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:07:10am

Wanna get $20 million from Chairman Obama? Just launch rockets into Israel....

U.S. giving $20 million more in humanitarian aid to Gaza


The Obama administration will provide an additional $20.3 million in humanitarian aid for Palestinians in Gaza, the State Department said Friday.
203 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:07:19am

re: #157 MandyManners

Do they also want to not teach about the Holocaust?

Yes.

204 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:07:30am

Bishop who denied Holocaust apologizes to pope

VATICAN CITY (AP) - A bishop recently rehabilitated by Pope Benedict XVI expressed regret Friday to the pontiff for the "distress and problems" he caused by denying the Holocaust.

In a letter to the Vatican, Bishop Richard Williamson, who recently denied in a TV interview that 6 million Jews were murdered during the Holocaust, called his remarks "imprudent."

The letter was posted on Williamson's personal blog and addressed to Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, who has been dealing with the rehabilitation of Williamson and other renegade bishops who had been excommunicated.

The Holocaust denial had outraged Jewish groups and many others. It was not immediately clear if Williamson's letter, which contained no apology for the content of his remarks, would ease that anger.

"Amidst this tremendous media storm stirred up by imprudent remarks of mine on Swedish television, I beg of you to accept, only as is properly respectful, my sincere regrets for having caused to yourself and to the Holy Father so much unnecessary distress and problems," Williamson wrote.

He's not admitting he's wrong, just admitting he spoke words the Vatican didn't want to hear.

This is no apology.

205 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:07:35am

Keep Gitmo.... former commander of the USS Cole slams Obama for his Gitmo closing ways... but Don Surber has the line of the day:

The Quislings in the Obama administration wanted to drop charges — with the weak promise of bringing the charges back in a civilian court.

Look, if military courts aren’t good enough for terrorists, why do we subject our soldiers to them?

I have noticed an unmistakable lack of appreciation of the military by non-veteran presidents.

Indeed.

206 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:07:39am

re: #171 nyc redneck

it is odd how the brits are distancing themselves from so much abt. their culture that once made them a great nation. shutting out churchill is suicide.
they should take pride in leaders like him. not feel shame.

First step in liberalism is to separate a people from their past.

207 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:07:42am
208 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:07:56am

re: #194 Lincolntf

You're not tuned into the right Israelis. Check out Avigdor Lieberman, Arieh Eldad, Netanyahu, Caroline Glick, and some other Likud higher-ups.

209 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:08:03am

re: #196 MJ

It's like Groundhog Day. He saw his shadow, which means there'll be more rockets in six hours.

210 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:08:28am

re: #197 opnion

I don't get that, you know the banana thing. Ok, if the banana has a date that night, then I get it.

So a banana has a date? Should it have a fig as well, or maybe a grape?

211 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:08:29am
212 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:08:32am

re: #197 opnion

I don't get that, you know the banana thing. Ok, if the banana has a date that night, then I get it.

RACIST!
/"banana" is an ethnic slur towards Asians.

213 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:08:40am

re: #204 FurryOldGuyJeans

"sorry you feel uncomfortable about this"

214 Lincolntf  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:08:46am

re: #208 WriterMom

I'm aware that I'm talking about only a segment of the populace, but that segment pisses me off.

215 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:08:50am

re: #206 vapig

First step in liberalism is to separate a people from their past.


That's right. It is then easier to build utopia on earth.

216 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:08:51am

re: #200 Honorary Yooper

I think it has something to do with Al Gore's Global Warming Cult and its fertility practices.

Oh, that explains it.

...................I think.

:-)

217 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:09:11am
218 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:09:18am

re: #202 Killgore Trout

I guess I'm not trying hard enough to get my cut of the stimulus package. Maybe I have to do something rash. Drop a bridge. Throw a few people out of jobs. Get a golden parachute and complain I don't have a plane to jump from... /

219 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:09:36am

re: #195 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I have this idea for a graphic novel in which the islamists are poised to take over Great Britain. The opening panels show the Crown Jewels being packed up & shipped to Ft. Knox (as they were in WWII) & Churchill's grave being dug up so he can be re-interred in America.

Do it! I'll buy it!

220 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:09:40am

re: #214 Lincolntf

It pisses me off, too. But leftist self-defeatism is epidemic all over the western world.

221 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:09:57am
222 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:10:30am
One less Spain in the ass?
Moratinos assured Livni that his government would amend the authority of the Spanish courts to prevent such probes from being launched in the future.
Livni told Moratinos that this was "very important news for the Israeli public."
Moratinos stressed that any amendments would not be made in time for the Shehadeh case, but said that his office would work to annul the investigation, Army Radio reported on Friday afternoon.

Who the funk gave Spain legal authority over Israel anyways?
I think it is a mistake for Israel to attorn to Spanish jurisdiction in this or any other matter.
They should be told to screw right off.

223 opnion  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:10:35am

re: #210 Honorary Yooper

So a banana has a date? Should it have a fig as well, or maybe a grape?

You have taken it to another & deeper level. The question is existential.

224 maddogg  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:10:36am

Like Ted said, if you like what liberals have done for Detroit, your gonna love Obama.

225 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:10:50am

re: #212 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

RACIST!
/"banana" is an ethnic slur towards Asians.

And here I thought it was a slur toward extreme NIMBYs.

/Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Nor Anyplace.

226 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:10:59am

re: #207 ploome hineni

banana never tells

Doesn't matter. We can all ask Mister Tally Man.

227 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:11:36am

re: #205 lawhawk

Keep Gitmo.... former commander of the USS Cole slams Obama for his Gitmo closing ways... but Don Surber has the line of the day:

Indeed.

Back when I was in the Navy there was a prison shortage in Charleston, SC(?). The Navy offered some recently decommed ships they would pay to outfit as temporary prison space. They were turned down because the space alloted per prisoner was inadequate for housing prisoners and constituted cruel and unusual punishment. Fine to subject volunteer sailors to abominable living conditions, but even more space is cruel to convicts.

228 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:11:36am
229 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:11:38am

re: #211 ploome hineni

That's just about $18 to every man woman and child.

230 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:11:56am
231 opnion  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:11:57am

re: #195 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I have this idea for a graphic novel in which the islamists are poised to take over Great Britain. The opening panels show the Crown Jewels being packed up & shipped to Ft. Knox (as they were in WWII) & Churchill's grave being dug up so he can be re-interred in America.

He actually had an American parent.

232 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:11:58am

Laugh of the day: Pakistan claims most of tribal areas cleared of terrorists.

That's even as Taliban control of North and South Waziristan, Arakazi, Khyber, Mohmand, Bajaur, and most of Kurram, as well as much of the Northwest Frontier Province, not to mention Swat.

233 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:12:23am
234 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:12:44am

re: #222 Spare O'Lake

Who the funk gave Spain legal authority over Israel anyways?
I think it is a mistake for Israel to attorn to Spanish jurisdiction in this or any other matter.
They should be told to screw right off.

Spain just assumed the right to try anyone anywhere for "crimes against humanity" a while ago. Remember when they arrested (or were going to?) Pinochet, for whatever he may have done during his rule in Chile?

235 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:13:18am

re: #232 lawhawk

Laugh of the day: Pakistan claims most of tribal areas cleared of terrorists.

That's even as Taliban control of North and South Waziristan, Arakazi, Khyber, Mohmand, Bajaur, and most of Kurram, as well as much of the Northwest Frontier Province, not to mention Swat.

Peace in our time!

236 monkeytime  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:13:57am

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe the thing to do is rename Holocaust Remembrance Day to Holocaust Forgetfulness Day, or Holocaust Denial Day.

That way, we can trick these folks into telling all about it by declaring what "didn't" happen:

"There were no gas chambers! The Nazis didn't manage to gas millions with an implacable industrial efficiency never seen before or since! All of these death rosters--see them, here?--are fake! The mounds of shoes, and hair, and eyeglass (see these pictures?)--fake! All these records of gold teeth extracted from dead millions? Fake! Millions were never ghettoized--see these pictures? They're all false! All of these emaciated survivors--look, see these pictures?--are merely faked!"

You know, I want to up ding this but there was a part of me that almost got scared - like this could really happen.
I'm updinging anyway and praying that it stays a farce.

237 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:14:15am
238 faraway  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:14:29am

re: #226 subsailor68

Doesn't matter. We can all ask Mister Tally Man.

Sorry, don't speak of him, he's been given the Mr. Talley ban.

239 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:14:40am
240 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:14:56am

re: #222 Spare O'Lake

Who the funk gave Spain legal authority over Israel anyways?
I think it is a mistake for Israel to attorn to Spanish jurisdiction in this or any other matter.
They should be told to screw right off.

Spain, like Belgium claims "universal jurisdiction" over war crimes. It is interesting to note that while the concept they use was designed to be used on pirates, they don't actually use it on pirates anymore, since that would require actual moral courage at times. Instead, they use such laws to harass and persecute honest citizens of decent coutries for defending themselves and their nations. Bad, bad, sick.

241 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:15:39am

re: #219 vapig

The hero is a Jack Bauer type who goes rogue when ordered to abort a strike on a terrorist, who then goes on to launch a mass-casualty attack on America. Maybe one of our Lizards artists can do the illustrations.

242 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:15:51am

re: #238 faraway

Sorry, don't speak of him, he's been given the Mr. Talley ban.

LOL!

Come, Mister tally ban, tally me bin laden
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Come, Mister tally ban, tally me al qaida
Daylight come and me wan' go home

243 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:15:52am

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Wanna get $20 million from Chairman Obama? Just launch rockets into Israel....

U.S. giving $20 million more in humanitarian aid to Gaza

DAMN IT! This is on top of how many more ba-zillions of dollars from us and the rest of the bleeping world? DAMN IT!

244 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:16:29am

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

Once there are no more living survivors that would be very easy to achieve. We have people believing live TV coverage on 9/11 was faked, so faked photos and film footage would be real easy to believe.

Arab media is at the forefront of that effort.

245 pink freud  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:16:41am

re: #238 faraway

Sorry, don't speak of him, he's been given the Mr. Talley ban.

Talley Whacked?

246 MJ  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:16:48am

re: #230 Iron Fist

You know your side is getting close to victory when your leadership is hiding in holes because they know they'll get knocked off if they show up anywhere with a clear field of fire.

The sad thing is that by simply surviving until after Israel quit fighting (again) they actually are winniing a victory of sorts.

Hamas's "victory" can be compared to the Black Knight in a Monty Python movie: "After King Arthur cuts off both of the knight's arms and legs, he tells him, 'All right, we'll call it a draw.'"

247 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:16:57am

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Wanna get $20 million from Chairman Obama? Just launch rockets into Israel....

U.S. giving $20 million more in humanitarian aid to Gaza

We should require that any damage done to Israel come off the top and go to Israel, plus something for any rocket attack, even if it hits empty ground.

248 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:17:19am

re: #228 ploome hineni

I forgot about him

:P

/lol

Then here is Harry Belefonte to remind you:

Youtube Video
249 monkeytime  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:17:57am

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

Spain, like Belgium claims "universal jurisdiction" over war crimes. It is interesting to note that while the concept they use was designed to be used on pirates, they don't actually use it on pirates anymore, since that would require actual moral courage at times. Instead, they use such laws to harass and persecute honest citizens of decent coutries for defending themselves and their nations. Bad, bad, sick.

Now wait a minute. I thought the U.S. were the world police as declared/whined by the rest of the world.
/

250 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:18:00am

re: #247 Kosh's Shadow

We should require that any damage done to Israel come off the top and go to Israel, plus something for any rocket attack, even if it hits empty ground.

Screw that! Rockets? No money. No rockets? Get back to us.

251 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:18:15am

re: #218 lawhawk

I guess I'm not trying hard enough to get my cut of the stimulus package. Maybe I have to do something rash. Drop a bridge. Throw a few people out of jobs. Get a golden parachute and complain I don't have a plane to jump from... /

Well you certainly aren't striking the proper victocrat posture.

252 faraway  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:19:12am

RNC: Duncan withdraws

253 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:19:41am

re: #204 FurryOldGuyJeans

Bishop who denied Holocaust apologizes to pope
He's not admitting he's wrong, just admitting he spoke words the Vatican didn't want to hear.
This is no apology.

I'm not sure who is worse, the Holocaust-denying "Bishop" or the politically expedient cowards at Catholic Central who seem to be prepared to toss the great Pope John Paul II and Vatican 2 under the bus to placate the forces of regression and bigotry.

254 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:20:03am

re: #241 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The hero is a Jack Bauer type who goes rogue when ordered to abort a strike on a terrorist, who then goes on to launch a mass-casualty attack on America. Maybe one of our Lizards artists can do the illustrations.

But why the mass-casualty attack on America?

255 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:20:19am

Unlike Bush's 'Google Bomb,' Google Quickly Defuses Obama's

It took four years for Google to address the "Google bomb" that was lobbed at former President Bush.

But it took the Internet behemoth only a few days to defuse the same attack on President Obama.

Four years versus a few days ... Some Googlers are asking why.

In 2003, President Bush's detractors successfully gamed the Google search engine by arranging to have countless Web sites link the words "miserable failure" to Bush's official biography on the White House Web site.

[snip]

Unfortunately for Obama, "miserable failure" reverted back to his bio when he moved into the White House.
256 pink freud  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:21:23am

Update at 2:14 p.m. ET: Mike Duncan, the current chairman picked for the job by former president George W. Bush, just widhrew from the race. "Obviously the winds of change are blowing at the RNC," he said.

257 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:21:46am

re: #249 monkeytime

Now wait a minute. I thought the U.S. were the world police as declared/whined by the rest of the world.
/

We are the ones who actually try to do things. They just harass, and condemn. They also make it impossible for those they charge to ever go to Europe for fear of being arrested. As for the World Police issue:

Youtube Video
258 faraway  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:22:10am

OT: Paraplegics may walk again

259 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:22:10am

re: #255 jcm

Unlike Bush's 'Google Bomb,' Google Quickly Defuses Obama's

Google's CEO was just at a WH meeting yesterday or the day before I believe.

260 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:22:12am

re: #249 monkeytime

Now wait a minute. I thought the U.S. were the world police as declared/whined by the rest of the world.
/

Now that we have the 0, perhaps the rest of the world will be left to their own protection. Lets see if they realize their mistake in bitching at us all the while expecting us to clean up their messes?

/No? Wishfull thinking?

261 Picayune  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:22:18am

So, how many votes will this episode garner for Bibi" Netanyahu, next month?

262 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:23:57am

re: #258 faraway

OT: Paraplegics may walk again

I hope it works. It would be a great discovery if it does.

263 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:25:02am

re: #254 vapig

But why the mass-casualty attack on America?

That's what the terrorist, who our hero had lined up in his sights, did, not the hero. I could have phrased that better. The liberal-appeaser President ordered the strike aborted, & the terrorist then went on to kill a whole lot of Americans. That's why our hero goes off the grid, to fight terrorists without restraint.

264 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:25:39am
265 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:25:48am

It's just a latte a day! (Seattle speak for a tax increase)

The economy is going into the tank. Boeing, Microsoft and Starbucks are laying off.

What does local government do?

King County property taxes to rise 6.16 percent overall

Mines going up 11.4%. But hey, it's just a latte a day! So is the gas tax, so is the transit tax, so is the.... and how many latte's is BHO little spending spree?

How long before no one can afford to be an American anymore?

266 faraway  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:26:11am

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

I hope it works. It would be a great discovery if it does.

Can you imagine the video on the news? Man gets up and walks.

267 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:26:18am

re: #259 Thanos

Google's CEO was just at a WH meeting yesterday or the day before I believe.

If I Google Miserable Suckup, will I get his bio?

268 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:26:49am

re: #255 jcm

Unlike Bush's 'Google Bomb,' Google Quickly Defuses Obama's

This is one of the reasons why I willfully try not to have any thing to do with Google. The founders' politics are bad enough, but their blatant partisanship and overt censorship of content is so utterly contemptible.

269 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:26:54am

top four dirty jokes for 2009

Fourth Place:


A man bumps into a woman in a hotel lobby and as he does,

his elbow goes into her breast.


They are both quite startled.


The man turns to her and says, 'Ma'am, if your heart is as soft as your
breast,

I know you'll forgive me.'

She replies, 'If your penis is as hard as your elbow, I'm in room 221.'


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Third Place :

One night, as a couple lays down for bed, the husband starts rubbing his
wife's arm.

The wife turns over and says 'I'm sorry honey, I've got a gynecologist
appointment tomorrow and I want to stay fresh.'

The husband, rejected, turns over.


A few minutes later, he rolls back over and taps his wife again.

'Do you have a dentist appointment tomorrow too?'

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Runner Up:

Bill worked in a pickle factory.


He had been employed there for a number of years when he came home one
day

to confess to his wife that he had a terrible compulsion.


He had an urge to stick his penis into the pickle slicer.


His wife suggested that he should see a sex therapist to talk about it,
but Bill said he would be too embarrassed. He vowed to overcome the
compulsion on his own.

One day a few weeks later, Bill came home and his wife could see at once
that something was seriously wrong.

'What's wrong, Bill?' she asked.


'Do you remember that I told you how I had this tremendous urge to put
my penis into the pickle slicer?'

'Oh, Bill, you didn't' she exclaimed..

'Yes, I did.' he replied.


'My God, Bill, wh at happened?'

'I got fired.'

'No, Bill. I mean, what happened with the pickle slicer?'

'Oh...she got fired too.'

-------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- --


Winner:

A couple had been married for 50 years.

They were sitting at the breakfast table one morning when the wife says,
'Just think, fifty years ago we w ere sitting here at this breakfast table
together.'

'I know,' the old man said. 'We were probably sitting here naked
as a jaybird fifty years ago.'

'Well,' Granny snickered. 'Let's relive some old times.'

Where upon, the two stripped to the buff and sat down at the table.

'You know, honey,' the little old lady breathlessly replied, 'My nipples
are as hot for you to day as they were fifty years ago.'

'I wouldn't be surprised,' replied Gramps. 'One's in your coffee
and the other is in your oatmeal

270 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:27:08am

re: #258 faraway

OT: Paraplegics may walk again

Kerry / Edwards won?!
////////////////

Good news!

271 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:27:22am

re: #205 lawhawk

Look, if military courts aren’t good enough for terrorists, why do we subject our soldiers to them?

And if waterboarding is torture why do we subject our soldiers to it?

272 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:27:23am

re: #264 Iron Fist

Once again, we need a "too f*cking right" button for posts like yours. A simple "upding" doesn't do it justice.

273 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:27:23am

re: #256 pink freud

Update at 2:14 p.m. ET: Mike Duncan, the current chairman picked for the job by former president George W. Bush, just widhrew from the race. "Obviously the winds of change are blowing at the RNC," he said.

Strange - I thought this was already a done deal with Michael Steele to head the RNC.

274 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:28:03am

re: #263 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's what the terrorist, who our hero had lined up in his sights, did, not the hero. I could have phrased that better. The liberal-appeaser President ordered the strike aborted, & the terrorist then went on to kill a whole lot of Americans. That's why our hero goes off the grid, to fight terrorists without restraint.

Oooooh! Me likey!

275 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:28:08am

re: #268 FurryOldGuyJeans

This is one of the reasons why I willfully try not to have any thing to do with Google. The founders' politics are bad enough, but their blatant partisanship and overt censorship of content is so utterly contemptible.

And they own YouTube, which is a virtual monopoly on Internet videos.

276 Lee Coller  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:28:21am

re: #255 jcm

Unlike Bush's 'Google Bomb,' Google Quickly Defuses Obama's

The guy quoted in the article, Matt Cutts gave the maximum to Obama ($2300) during the election. Also $5000 to the Democratic Senatorial Committee.

277 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:28:22am

re: #134 subsailor68

Secondary schools will strip back the traditional curriculum in favour of lessons on debt management, the environment and healthy eating, ministers revealed.

Absolute morons.

Debt management = paying the tax to the Muslim overlords

the environment = making sure your house is not taller than the one owned by said Muslim overlords

healthy eating = only halal food; no more haraam pork and cheeseburgers

278 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:28:42am

re: #265 jcm

It's just a latte a day! (Seattle speak for a tax increase)

The economy is going into the tank. Boeing, Microsoft and Starbucks are laying off.

What does local government do?

King County property taxes to rise 6.16 percent overall

Mines going up 11.4%. But hey, it's just a latte a day! So is the gas tax, so is the transit tax, so is the.... and how many latte's is BHO little spending spree?

How long before no one can afford to be an American anymore?

That's it. I'm moving.

And don't forget the tolls they want to put on the roads, and the murmurs about a new state income tax.

279 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:29:37am

re: #278 capitalist piglet

That's it. I'm moving.

And don't forget the tolls they want to put on the roads, and the murmurs about a new state income tax.

No kidding ID and WY are looking better all the time.

280 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:30:41am

re: #256 pink freud

Update at 2:14 p.m. ET: Mike Duncan, the current chairman picked for the job by former president George W. Bush, just widhrew from the race. "Obviously the winds of change are blowing at the RNC," he said.

The RNC doesn't need winds of change, it needs a river diverted so as to clean out all the chest-deep shit that has been piling up for years.

281 pink freud  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:30:53am

re: #273 vapig

Strange - I thought this was already a done deal with Michael Steele to head the RNC.

So did I. This surprised me, that's why I posted it. I thought maybe I hadn't been paying close enough attention.

282 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:31:09am
283 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:32:07am

THE RULES OF RURAL PENNSYLVANIA ARE AS FOLLOWS:
LISTEN UP CITY SLICKERS!

1. PULL YOUR DROOPY PANTS UP. YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT.

2. TURN YOUR CAP RIGHT, YOUR HEAD ISN'T CROOKED.

3. LET'S GET THIS STRAIGHT; IT'S CALLED A 'DIRT ROAD.' NO MATTER HOW SLOW YOU DRIVE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET DUST ON YOUR LEXUS. DRIVE IT OR GET OUT OF THE WAY.

4. THEY ARE CATTLE. THEY'RE LIVE STEAKS. THAT'S WHY THEY SMELL FUNNY TO YOU, GET OVER IT. DON'T LIKE IT? I-80 GOES EAST AND WEST, I-81 GOES NORTH AND SOUTH. PICK ONE.

5. SO YOU HAVE A $60,000 CAR. WE'RE IMPRESSED. WE HAVE $150,000 CORN PICKERS AND HAY BALERS THAT ARE DRIVEN ONLY 3 WEEKS A YEAR.

6. SO EVERY PERSON IN RURAL PENNSYLVANIA WAVES. WE THINK OF IT AS BEING FRIENDLY. TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT.

7. IF THAT CELL PHONE RINGS WHILE AN 8-POINT BUCK AND 3 DOES ARE COMING IN, WE WILL SHOOT IT OUT OF YOUR HAND. YOU BETTER HOPE YOU DON'T HAVE IT UP TO YOUR EAR AT THE TIME.

8. YEAH, WE EAT TATERS & GRAVY, BEANS & CORNBREAD. WE FRY OUR FISH AFTER 'CATCH IN' 'EM'. YOU REALLY WANT SUSHI & CAVIAR? IT'S AVAILABLE AT THE CORNER BAIT SHOP.

9. THE 'OPENER' REFERS TO THE FIRST DAY OF DEER SEASON. IT'S A RELIGIOUS HOLIDAY HELD ON THE MONDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING.

10. WE OPEN DOORS FOR WOMEN. THAT IS APPLIED TO ALL WOMEN, REGARDLESS OF AGE.

11. NO, THERE'S NO 'VEGETARIAN SPECIAL' ON THE MENU. ORDER STEAK. OR YOU CAN ORDER THE CHEF'S SALAD AND PICK OFF THE 2 POUNDS OF HAM & TURKEY.

12. WHEN WE FILL OUT A TABLE, THERE ARE THREE MAIN DISHES: MEATS (INCLUDES FISH), VEGETABLES, AND BREADS. WE USE FOUR SPICES: SALT, PEPPER, HOT SAUCE AND KETCHUP. OH, YEAH...WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU FOLKS IN JERSEY CALL THAT STUFF YOU EAT...IT AIN'T REAL CHILI!

13. YOU BRING 'COKE' INTO MY HOUSE, IT BETTER BE BROWN, WET AND SERVED OVER ICE.

14. YOU BRING 'MARY JANE' INTO MY HOUSE, SHE BETTER BE CUTE, KNOW HOW TO SHOOT, AND HAVE LONG HAIR.

15. COLLEGE AND HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL IS AS IMPORTANT HERE AS THE EAGLES AND THE STEELERS, AND A DANG SITE MORE FUN TO WATCH.

16. YEAH, WE HAVE GOLF COURSES. BUT DON'T HIT THE WATER HAZARDS---IT SPOOKS THE FISH.

17. COLLEGES? WE HAVE THEM ALL OVER. WE HAVE STATE UNIVERSITIES, COMMUNITY COLLEGES, AND VO-TECHS. THEY COME OUTTA THERE WITH AN EDUCATION PLUS A LOVE FOR GOD AND COUNTRY, AND THEY STILL WAVE AT EVERYBODY WHEN THEY COME FOR THE HOLIDAYS.

18. WE HAVE A WHOLE TON OF FOLKS IN THE ARMY, NAVY, AIR FORCE, AND MARINES. SO DON'T MESS WITH US. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL GET WHIPPED BY THE BEST.

19. TURN DOWN THAT BLASTED CAR STEREO! THAT THUMPITY-THUMP CRAP AIN'T MUSIC, ANYWAY. WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT ANYMORE THAN WE WANT TO SEE YOUR BOXERS. REFER BACK TO #1.

20. 4 INCHES ISN'T A BLIZZARD-IT'S A FLURRY. DRIVE LIKE YOU GOT SOME SENSE IN IT, AND DON'T TAKE ALL OUR BREAD, MILK, AND TOILET PAPER FROM THE GROCERY STORES. THIS AIN'T ALASKA, WORST CASE YOU MAY HAVE TO LIVE A WHOLE DAY WITHOUT CROISSANTS. THE PICKUPS WITH SNOW BLADES WILL HAVE YOU OUT THE NEXT DAY.

284 Scion9  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:32:13am

re: #281 pink freud

So did I. This surprised me, that's why I posted it. I thought maybe I hadn't been paying close enough attention.

I'm pretty sure Steele is the head of a well connected PAC not the RNC itself.

285 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:32:42am

re: #268 FurryOldGuyJeans

This is one of the reasons why I willfully try not to have any thing to do with Google. The founders' politics are bad enough, but their blatant partisanship and overt censorship of content is so utterly contemptible.

I guess they didn't get the memo that they are on the hitlist for causing global warming!

286 tfc3rid  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:33:28am

re: #273 vapig

Strange - I thought this was already a done deal with Michael Steele to head the RNC.

Nope... The vote is ongoing... It was actually thought that Duncan had a good chance of winning...

287 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:33:29am

re: #275 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And they own YouTube, which is a virtual monopoly on Internet videos.

You understand why I don't Google or YouTube now? ;)

288 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:34:23am

re: #280 FurryOldGuyJeans

The RNC doesn't need winds of change, it needs a river diverted so as to clean out all the chest-deep shit that has been piling up for years.

Ding!

289 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:36:21am

re: #230 Iron Fist

You know your side is getting close to victory when your leadership is hiding in holes because they know they'll get knocked off if they show up anywhere with a clear field of fire.

The sad thing is that by simply surviving until after Israel quit fighting (again) they actually are winniing a victory of sorts.

Hmmm, something wrong here. I thought the Quran said the Jews were the ones who were hiding behind rocks.
I guess these stinking Hamas cowards are not acting like brave Muslims, are they?
Victory my ass.

290 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:36:38am

re: #284 Scion9

I'm pretty sure Steele is the head of a well connected PAC not the RNC itself.

One week after the McCain slap down there was a push to get Steele nominated for RNC chairmanship.

291 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:36:56am

re: #284 Scion9

I'm pretty sure Steele is the head of a well connected PAC not the RNC itself.

GOPAC

292 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:37:32am
293 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:37:34am
294 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:37:41am

This one is for everyone who...
a) has kids
b) had kids
c) was a kid
d) knows a kid
e) is going to have kids.
I guess that means all of us!

DADDY'S GONNA EAT YOUR FINGERS

I was packing for my business trip and my three year old daughter was having a wonderful time playing on the bed. At one point she said, 'Daddy, look at this' , and stuck out two of her fingers.

Trying to keep her entertained, I reached out and stuck her tiny fingers in my mouth and said,
'Daddy's gonna eat your fingers,'
pretending to eat them.

I went back to packing, looked up again and my daughter was standing on the bed staring at her fingers with a devastated look on her face.

I said, 'What's wrong, honey?'

She replied,
'What happened to my booger?'

295 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:37:57am

re: #283 JimmyTheClaw

A 1000 updings!

296 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:38:18am

re: #286 tfc3rid

Nope... The vote is ongoing... It was actually thought that Duncan had a good chance of winning...

Never heard of Duncan - I want Steele. I wanted Steele last time too!

297 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:38:34am
298 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:39:32am

20:19 Peres` office denies claims president apologized to Erdogan over phone (Haaretz)

Somebody is lying?

299 boocat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:40:03am

I'm watching the new White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs', press conference and am struck by how much he seems to resemble Iowahawk's pipe smoking logo geek. I wonder if they are related.

Turkey is going to hell in a handcar.

300 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:40:17am

re: #294 JimmyTheClaw

This one is for everyone who...
a) has kids
b) had kids
c) was a kid
d) knows a kid
e) is going to have kids.
I guess that means all of us!

DADDY'S GONNA EAT YOUR FINGERS

I was packing for my business trip and my three year old daughter was having a wonderful time playing on the bed. At one point she said, 'Daddy, look at this' , and stuck out two of her fingers.

Trying to keep her entertained, I reached out and stuck her tiny fingers in my mouth and said,
'Daddy's gonna eat your fingers,'
pretending to eat them.

I went back to packing, looked up again and my daughter was standing on the bed staring at her fingers with a devastated look on her face.

I said, 'What's wrong, honey?'

She replied,
'What happened to my booger?'

Eeeeewwwwwww!

301 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:40:21am

re: #293 buzzsawmonkey

Believers in conspiracy only cause the infection to spread. Yes, some gain immunity by their exposure, but all too many exhibit full blown symptoms after repeated exposure. The JFK assassination is a good case to illustrate that.

302 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:40:52am

re: #292 Iron Fist

Move out here to flyover country, man. You'll be allowed to own guns (well, until the Obama Administration gets around to doing something about that) and we actually get real, 100% natural sunshine many days out of the year. But you'd better hurry. The Obamanation that Brings Desolation may start requiring travel passes for all legal citizens to travel between states.

Not for the reasons you state, but for cutting back on "carbon footprints." Mark my words.

303 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:40:53am

re: #292 Iron Fist

Move out here to flyover country, man. You'll be allowed to own guns (well, until the Obama Administration gets around to doing something about that) and we actually get real, 100% natural sunshine many days out of the year. But you'd better hurry. The Obamanation that Brings Desolation may start requiring travel passes for all legal citizens to travel between states. All these legal people are making it crowded for Illegal undocumented immigrants to travel on the road. We'll have to scale back the citizen's freedom of movement to make room for this new soon-to-be voting block from Central America.

ID and WY are good flyover country, got roots that go back 3 generations in ID.

304 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:40:58am

re: #3 Occasional Reader

By the way, how did Constantinople become Istanbul again?

Oh, that's right... okupayshun.

305 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:42:02am

re: #299 boocat

Looks like it could use some gravy... it's getting dried out... /

306 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:42:47am

That's interesting it seems Obama wants to delay the trials in Gitmo to get swifter Justice? Go figure?

307 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:42:53am
308 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:43:02am

re: #279 jcm

No kidding ID and WY are looking better all the time.

Let's not turn this into an Intelligent Design / evolution thread, m'kay?
/

309 brookly red  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:43:13am

re: #283 JimmyTheClaw

any good sushi out by you?

310 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:43:27am

re: #306 Nevergiveup

That's interesting it seems Obama wants to delay the trials in Gitmo to get swifter Justice? Go figure?

Why let logic and facts stand in the way of agenda?

311 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:44:04am

re: #303 jcm

ID and WY are good flyover country, got roots that go back 3 generations in ID.

I've seriously considered both Idaho and Wyoming for a relocation. Nevada too. Virginia ia great, but it's being screwed up by Marylanders who are trying to escape the socialist hell of MD. Unfortunately, they are bringing their politics with them. This is really starting to affect our lives for the worse.

312 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:45:04am

re: #311 vapig

I've seriously considered both Idaho and Wyoming for a relocation. Nevada too. Virginia ia great, but it's being screwed up by Marylanders who are trying to escape the socialist hell of MD. Unfortunately, they are bringing their politics with them. This is really starting to affect our lives for the worse.

Can you get a job out there?

313 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:45:13am

Ruh, roh, somebodies is feeling Ronery Today....

North Korea says military and political agreements with Seoul are 'dead'

North Korea today declared all military and political agreements with South Korea "dead" as it accused Seoul of pushing the peninsula to the brink of war.

The North's committee for the peaceful reunification of Korea said Pyongyang had been forced to nullify past peacekeeping agreements because of the South Korean President Lee Myung-bak's hardline stance against it.


Since only a cease fire is in place does this mean we can start shooting again and just finish the job?

314 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:45:16am

re: #311 vapig

I've seriously considered both Idaho and Wyoming for a relocation. Nevada too. Virginia ia great, but it's being screwed up by Marylanders who are trying to escape the socialist hell of MD. Unfortunately, they are bringing their politics with them. This is really starting to affect our lives for the worse.

The spread of the plague of Socialism is ensuring there is no safe place or refuge any more.

315 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:45:33am

Israel's relatioship with Turkey is byzantine.

316 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:45:38am

If you are in a moonbat area, DON'T RETREAT! Don't cede that land to them.

Let them gripe about having to live amid lousy conservatives.

317 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:46:01am

re: #312 Nevergiveup

Can you get a job out there?

I'm a federal consultant - does that make me damaged goods?

318 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:46:08am

re: #306 Nevergiveup

That's interesting it seems Obama wants to delay the trials in Gitmo to get swifter Justice? Go figure?

He wants to increase taxes on oil to get lower gas prices.

He wants to increase taxes on healthcare to get lower healthcare premiums.

He wants to increase taxes on production to get more economic growth.

Etc.

Why be surprised about Gitmo?

319 salt1907  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:46:16am

OT - While I am as big a football fan as anyone else, I have resigned myself to the truth that professional sports in this country have become the equivalent of Bread and Circuses - distracting us from the government's creeping socialism while pacifying us in the face of one disaster after another. The Pittsburgh Steelers are a prime example.

320 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:46:27am

re: #28 Leonidas Hoplite

The economic crisis of the 1030s, the nazis rode it to power, similar things can happen.

321 brookly red  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:46:40am

re: #313 jcm

Since only a cease fire is in place does this mean we can start shooting again and just finish the job?

they just want more money...

322 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:46:41am

re: #313 jcm

Ruh, roh, somebodies is feeling Ronery Today....

North Korea says military and political agreements with Seoul are 'dead'


Since only a cease fire is in place does this mean we can start shooting again and just finish the job?

I vote yes. But since Obama in now the CIC, that means it's just gonna be you and me and who ever else we can scrap together. I'm still in.

323 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:46:47am

re: #308 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Let's not turn this into an Intelligent Design / evolution thread, m'kay?
/

If you'd every caught a Golden Trout in one of the Wilderness lakes and fried it up for breakfast you would believe that God exists!

;-)

324 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:47:02am

re: #316 Silhouette

If you are in a moonbat area, DON'T RETREAT! Don't cede that land to them.

Let them gripe about having to live amid lousy conservatives.

I just wish there were some actual Republicans in the Seattle area and WA instead of the ubiquitous RINOs.

325 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:47:24am

re: #321 brookly red

re: #322 Nevergiveup

Another test of Obama.

326 kansas  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:47:30am

10 days and Obama has embraced his Muslim roots, and everyday calls the economy a "continuing disaster" while drinking martinis and eating 100 steak. No offense, I would like to worry about Hamas and Israel, but I'm more worried about Obama. President Obama. Ain't that the shits?

327 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:47:31am

re: #317 vapig

I'm a federal consultant - does that make me damaged goods?

Well it might, but I meant do they have job opportunities available period?

328 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:47:46am
329 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:47:53am

re: #325 jcm

re: #322 Nevergiveup

Another test of Obama.

How quickly can he fuck this up?

330 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:47:59am

re: #306 Nevergiveup

That's interesting it seems Obama wants to delay the trials in Gitmo to get swifter Justice? Go figure?

Er, um, delaying the trials would um, actually, er, result in ahh, much swifter justice. As I've clearly stated in the, um, past, er, most of the, um, prisoners, er, detainees, um, could be um, repatriated quickly and, um, our standing in the eyes of um, er, the world would appreciate. As it stands er, now, the trials um, would take precious, um, legal resources that we can, er, ill afford to waste.

/Barack

331 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:48:02am

re: #320 Ojoe

1030s, 1930s, what the hell, it is just past history.

PIMF

332 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:48:22am

re: #326 kansas

10 days and Obama has embraced his Muslim roots, and everyday calls the economy a "continuing disaster" while drinking martinis and eating 100 steak. No offense, I would like to worry about Hamas and Israel, but I'm more worried about Obama. President Obama. Ain't that the shits?


You're American.

It's understandable.

333 MartinLeaf  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:48:31am

Kudos to Charles for using the correct term, "Jew Hating". It is not "anti-semitism" for many reasons. The word "anti-semitism" should be retired.

334 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:48:35am

re: #314 FurryOldGuyJeans

The spread of the plague of Socialism is ensuring there is no safe place or refuge any more.

Best analogy I've ever heard was from Mark Levin (The Great One). He likened liberal-socialists to locusts who devour all the natural resources of an area and then move on to destroy the next lush habitation. Very apt in my opinion!

335 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:48:36am

re: #321 brookly red

Since only a cease fire is in place does this mean we can start shooting again and just finish the job?

they just want more money...

Let's just cut the carp.... give the bombs....
///////

336 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:49:11am

When your head is filled with shit, your words can only come out brown.

The Koranic World is a perfect castle of thought. They argue that since many more Palestinians died in the war, Israel had no right to defend itself. While the logical fallacy of this might be obvious to you or I, the point is Islamist thinking in a nutshell- Islam is is right even when its wrong. The rockets were crude so it was OK for 250,000 Israelis to have to live with them. Since Israel prevented weapons from being shipped en masse to Hamas, therefore Gaza was under siege on Gaza. And so on ad nauseum.

Don't let facts get in the way of a little Islam. Don't let truth get in the way of Jihad. Don't let anything get in the way of Jihad.

They have created a wonderful system of language and history to encapsulate their grievance theater masking as an assault on western civilization. Murderous attacks on Jewish civilians are "Resistance." Arab complicity in Hitler's crimes are forgotten and twisted so that it is Israel accused of creating a "Holocaust" and committing "Genocide." The fact western military experts called Israel's operation a casebook example of waging war as humanely as ever done or that unlike the annihilated WWII Jewish populations, nearly 100% of Gazans survived their "holocaust" are meaningless in the eyes of the Islamists.

Shimon Peres could not have been more right or more clear. Something is true or it is not.

When Hamas called off its false truce in December, it did not matter if Islamists the world over felt the previous six months was the greatest peace since the US and Canada settled their differences. When long range rockets started crashing down in Ashkelon, 90% and more of Israelis supported a war to stop the rockets and sent their children to possibly die to see it through. Islamists are free to live in their world where they think its some kind of "benefit" of their enlightened thinking and leadership to have their rockets go over an international border. However, when their world starts blowing up Jewish reality, Jews are forced to act in their reality without regard to Islamist reality or feelings. Israel pulled out out of Sinai, Israel pulled out of Lebanon and Gaza. Israel recognizes the PA and pretty much lets the PA govern the West Bank- the only restrictions imposed are the result of security requirements.

So I am glad that everyone is so proud of Mr. Erdogan and think he did his people proud in Davos. The Gaza war proved that democracies and people living in the other world have red lines. When those in the other world think there is something to fight about, if you are the cause of their ire, look out. No one in Israel cares if Mr. Erdogan thinks Israel was wrong. If Egypt and the Saudis blamed Hamas, not Israel for the war, you can be sure that Israel was in her rights. If Israel had just carpet-bombed Gaza because they felt like it and caused 50,000 dead (just 1 air strike without care to casualties would do just that) all of us would have joined the Arab leaders in calling for justice.

In making any judgment, everything always boils down to intentions. In our reality, if you screw up on the job and make an honest mistake, the boss will probably forgive you, if you were firing a gun to defend yourself against a robber, the prosecutor is more likely to charge the robber than you for murder. If Israel intended war crimes, she would have committed them; one guy with 1 tank could kill hundreds of people in a matter of an hour. Hamas' rockets were intended as war crimes so Erdogan's sin is the Islamists strong-suit: with these people intentions don't matter one bit. Our sin is being not Islamic and the punishment is whatever they can get away with inflict on us. If they can't make the facts fit the reality they invent them or twist them until they have something reflective of Islamic reality and its burning desire to make their morality and way of thinking the new global standard.

This war of words and guns has only just begun.

337 brookly red  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:49:30am

re: #325 jcm

re: #322 Nevergiveup

Another test of Obama.

starting to build up huh? just wait till he tries to dance w/the russians :)

338 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:49:53am
339 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:50:10am

re: #313 jcm

Wrong party in charge.... sorry. Thanks for playing though.

340 Picayune  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:50:19am

re: #299 boocat

I'm watching the new White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs',
press conference and am struck by how much he seems to resemble
Iowahawk's pipe smoking logo geek. I wonder if they are related.

Turkey is going to hell in a handcar.

Are you making a theme suggestion to Iowahawk? ( He he)

341 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:50:21am

re: #329 FurryOldGuyJeans

How quickly can he fuck this up?

Rabbit Bait help give them a reactor.
Clinton gave 'em food and fuel.
Obama will give them Most Favored Nation Status.

342 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:50:28am

re: #323 jcm

If you'd every caught a Golden Trout in one of the Wilderness lakes and fried it up for breakfast you would believe that God exists!

;-)

Ding!

343 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:50:38am

re: #293 buzzsawmonkey

Too true.

The one guard against it--to a point--is the obsessions of the deniers. Remember the video from a few days ago, of that Egyptian imam who was showing camp-survivor footage and lying about it? His pornographic lust for the scenes of depravity in that footage compels him to show them, and he thus keeps the knowledge alive.

The deniers, because they are driven to assert what they know to be a lie, end up having to teach what they deny because if nobody knows about it, they can't lie about it--and lying about it is what they want to do.

So, yes, I was being wry and sardonic about keeping the memory of the Holocaust alive by changing Remembrance Day to Denial Day--but the truth is that the deniers will create Remembrance Day by their denial.

The Shoah Database of Yad Vashem has to date documented over 3 million of the 6 million Jewish holocaust victims.
The deniers can go fuck themselves.

344 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:50:45am

re: #333 MartinLeaf

Jew-hating or Judenhaas.

345 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:51:35am

re: #334 vapig

Best analogy I've ever heard was from Mark Levin (The Great One). He likened liberal-socialists to locusts who devour all the natural resources of an area and then move on to destroy the next lush habitation. Very apt in my opinion!

A locust ravaged habitat eventually recovers. A plagued killed host doesn't. If O gets to achieve his visions of socialism I doubt America will recover.

346 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:51:41am

re: #61 Honorary Yooper

No, I agree with KI more. It is 1932-33 all over again. Look at who was just elected president. BHO is an FDR wannabe. Now, that said, it could be 1939 much faster than it was last time around.

The difference is events elsewhere are much further along than in 1932. Hitler was little threat in 1933 and a big one by 1939. The Iranian bomb threat is perhaps this year.

347 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:51:52am

re: #336 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I wouldn't call that a rant.. but it's got the pitch perfect righteous rant cadence. Excellent!

348 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:52:04am

re: #339 lawhawk

Wrong party in charge.... sorry. Thanks for playing though.

Oh, *snap*.

349 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:52:10am

re: #334 vapig

Best analogy I've ever heard was from Mark Levin (The Great One). He likened liberal-socialists to locusts who devour all the natural resources of an area and then move on to destroy the next lush habitation. Very apt in my opinion!

Scientists have now found out why locusts behave the way they do:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article5614486.ece

Dunno if it would work on the locusts you've mentioned ...
Worth a try?

350 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:52:11am

re: #322 Nevergiveup

I vote yes. But since Obama in now the CIC, that means it's just gonna be you and me and who ever else we can scrap together. I'm still in.

Actually, I could see North Korea pushing in such a way that Obama could not worm his way out of it. We might have to fight, whatever he might want. Though that might be a good thing for him. It would estrange him from the moonbats, and that distance might allow him to learn the truth about the world. I wouldn't want that to require a war, I don't want the war anyway, but I try to find silver linings where I can. But I'm from Chicago, so I kick back half the silver and spend the rest.

/sarc of that last sentance

351 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:52:44am

Is the GOP really poised to elevate someone to leadership of the party who belonged to a "whites only" club?

Am I awake, or is this a nightmare?

352 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:53:21am

re: #351 capitalist piglet

Is the GOP really poised to elevate someone to leadership of the party who belonged to a "whites only" club?

Am I awake, or is this a nightmare?

Both and has been since Jan 20th

353 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:53:30am

re: #327 Nevergiveup

Well it might, but I meant do they have job opportunities available period?

I was actually just kidding. They have national labs out in all of those areas - so, yes, I'm employable in those locations.

354 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:55:12am

Oh boy the next thread is sure to mean a few lizards getting the boot. It combines creationists, Hitler, the Holocaust, Anti-Semitism, and the Discovery Institute. Venture in and your on your own.

355 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:55:20am

US gives $20m for Gaza relief

The money will go to UN agencies and the International Committee of the Red Cross, which are distributing emergency food assistance, providing medical care and temporary shelter, creating temporary employment and restoring access to electricity and potable water, the department said in a statement.

/good thinking, these are the same NGOs that allow Hamas to fight from within their compounds and borrow their ambulances to transport terrorists and weapons

356 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:55:30am

re: #336 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

This war of words and guns has only just begun.

Very true. And when the big red line is crossed, the primitives will lose, and it might not take very long, and the surviving former muslims will say to any of their elders left, "look what a tragedy you have brought upon us. I reject you."

If they are able to say that.

Then there will be peace.

357 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:55:32am

re: #337 brookly red

starting to build up huh? just wait till he tries to dance w/the russians :)

He already did - why do you think he's suspending the missile shield to Polland and Ukraine.

358 MarineGrunt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:57:00am

Not sure if this as been posted, if so be gentle on my carcass.

Compañera Linda Panetta, Daughter of new CIA director Leon Panetta hearts Chavez.
Link

359 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:57:04am

re: #357 vapig

He already did - why do you think he's suspending the missile shield to Polland and Ukraine.

And the fact that he has is getting next to NO play in the MSM!

360 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:57:29am

re: #357 vapig

Poland. Only one L. It means "The land of the fields", by the way.

361 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:58:24am

re: #358 MarineGrunt

Not sure if this as been posted, if so be gentle on my carcass.

Compañera Linda Panetta, Daughter of new CIA director Leon Panetta hearts Chavez.
Link

Wonderful! I wonder if I would have been able to get my security clearance if my daughter had been a commie?

362 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:59:03am

re: #333 MartinLeaf

Kudos to Charles for using the correct term, "Jew Hating". It is not "anti-semitism" for many reasons. The word "anti-semitism" should be retired.

It's had a long career

363 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:59:25am

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Wanna get $20 million from Chairman Obama? Just launch rockets into Israel....

U.S. giving $20 million more in humanitarian aid to Gaza

To the victors go the spoils

364 Lincolntf  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:59:28am

re: #354 Nevergiveup

Reminds me of my mail the other day.
The Feb. issue of Nat. Geo. with "What Darwin Didn't Know" on the cover in the mailbox right next to an invitation to hear Gov. Jindahl speak at a Reception/Dinner.
I chuckled at the confluence.

365 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:59:40am
366 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:59:58am

re: #355 Killian Bundy

US gives $20m for Gaza relief

/good thinking, these are the same NGOs that allow Hamas to fight from within their compounds and borrow their ambulances to transport terrorists and weapons

And we give money to the UN, why exactly?

367 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:02:12pm
368 yochanan  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:02:30pm

this piece is linked via yahoo news you charles you might be getting some other traffic.

369 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:02:49pm

re: #351 capitalist piglet

Is the GOP really poised to elevate someone to leadership of the party who belonged to a "whites only" club?

Am I awake, or is this a nightmare?

Michael Steele was a member of a "whites only" club? They must have not have been paying too close attention!

370 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:03:16pm
371 MarineGrunt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:03:54pm

Spit on the asshole Artist

372 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:04:10pm

re: #351 capitalist piglet

Is the GOP really poised to elevate someone to leadership of the party who belonged to a "whites only" club?

Am I awake, or is this a nightmare?

He's leading right now. The only good news is there is not much of a minority vote to lose.

373 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:04:22pm

re: #369 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Michael Steele was a member of a "whites only" club? They must have not have been paying too close attention!

You think Steele will win? He's not currently in the lead. : (

374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:05:03pm

re: #373 capitalist piglet

You think Steele will win? He's not currently in the lead. : (

Who is the other candidate?

375 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:06:07pm

re: #371 MarineGrunt

Spit on the asshole Artist


As others have let this asshole know this is an insult. My dad was at Iwo Jima.

376 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:06:25pm

re: #374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Who is the other candidate?

Dawson, head of the South Carolina GOP, I think. That's who I was talking about, not Steele. (I thought you were kidding.)

377 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:06:35pm

re: #374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Who is the other candidate?

Some guy from SC

378 Call me Infidel  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:08:37pm

To paraphrase Mark Steyn. Our "friends the Turks"

379 Lincolntf  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:09:06pm

re: #377 Nevergiveup

Where are you guys keeping up with the vote? On TV?

380 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:09:39pm

Exxon Mobil earned 45.2 billion last year, a record, not too bad considering.

381 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:10:22pm

re: #379 Lincolntf

Where are you guys keeping up with the vote? On TV?

It's on CSPAN, I guess, but I'm watching a thread on it on HotAir.

382 Lincolntf  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:10:35pm

re: #380 avanti

A profit? I thought those were banned.

383 MartinLeaf  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:11:08pm

That is so ingenious "Rabbit Bait" or Killa Swamp Rabbit Bait.

Everyone forgets how rabbit bait tried to pressure PBS into not showing some Saudi Beheadings because it would offend the. Sound familiar ?

And remember when Rabbit Bait wanted to preserve ethnic purity in the Chicago neighborhood ?

re: #341 jcm

384 Lincolntf  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:11:55pm

re: #381 capitalist piglet

Thanks. Just found it on C-Span.

385 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:13:41pm

re: #372 avanti

He's leading right now. The only good news is there is not much of a minority vote to lose.

That's not the point, really. There are a lot of white people who don't think "whites only" (or the converse) clubs are cool, and I'm one of them. And even if I were okay with it, it's a stupid assed move.

386 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:13:46pm

Turkey is Muslim.

Norway is not- yet

Norway's pro-Israel opposition leader under 24-hour guard

"Norway, a country that used to be very pro-Israel, has turned into one of the most anti-Israel countries in Europe today," within both government and public opinion.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

387 paint-right  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:14:16pm

re: #42 thefallingman

Turks have always been...odd. The description of some of their practices in Lawrence's Seven Pilars of Wisdom was enough to make me want to stay away. If they slip back into full Islamist mode with their predilictions, they will be even less of an ally than they currently are.

I know nothing of Turkey but just wanted to say that Turkish names always appear to be English names written backwards. Just an observation with nothing pejorative meant.

That said, Mr Tayyip Erdogan's behavior and his justification for it seems to indicate that he is no leader (setting an example of civil behavior) but instead the usual scaredy cat behavior afraid of offending the head chopper/assassins. cult. What a horrid belief system.

388 Lincolntf  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:16:19pm

re: #385 capitalist piglet

It would be a dumb move. Obama, Byrd, etc. get a free pass for all of their segregated associations and "Churches", but Repubs never do. It's stupid to give the media and the moonbats another club to beat us over the head with.
I'm watching the vote now, and I'm pulling for Steele. I don't know the other two.

389 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:19:52pm

re: #365 Iron Fist

I wouldn't have. I'd have said "Job well done" to the IDF and hoped that the people of Hamasistan learned their lesson well so it didn't have to be repeated.

You think anyone gave a monkey's butt when Papa Assad wiped out the Muslim Brotherhood in Hama? 20K dead. Paved over.

End

of

Conversation

390 MartinLeaf  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:21:10pm

Peres is the most liberal left leaning Israeli Pol ever. For Peres to be so passionate must mean Israel was 150% right.

391 MartinLeaf  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:23:00pm

re: #386 Opinionated

Norway spawned Oslo which gave a jump start to Terrorism.

392 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:27:13pm

re: #383 MartinLeaf

That is so ingenious "Rabbit Bait" or Killa Swamp Rabbit Bait.

Everyone forgets how rabbit bait tried to pressure PBS into not showing some Saudi Beheadings because it would offend the. Sound familiar ?

And remember when Rabbit Bait wanted to preserve ethnic purity in the Chicago neighborhood ?

I harbor a dark spot in my heart for Rabbit Bait, such that I don't speak his name. I have faces to put on his victims, a family in Iran who died at the hands of the Mad Mullahs because he could see the fave of evil.

393 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:30:06pm

re: #392 jcm

Indeed. I know I lost a friend. I hope some of his family made it to France 9His mother was French) but I could never find out.

394 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:31:38pm

re: #380 avanti

Exxon Mobil earned 45.2 billion last year, a record, not too bad considering.

On 8% margin. It's the volume not the price or margin. Also look up how it breaks out, Exxon is an energy service company they make most of that overseas providing energy services.

My industry thinks it sucks if we get less than 30% margin. A company has a duty to make a profit. The shareholders expect a return on investment, the employees expect the company to continue to provide jobs. Profit ensures the company survives into the future and continues a return on investment, continued employment.

395 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:35:47pm

re: #336 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

...the point is Islamist thinking in a nutshell- Islam is is right even when its wrong. The rockets were crude so it was OK for 250,000 Israelis to have to live with them.

As your essay got around to saying, it's more like, the rockets were Islamic, and therefore the Israelis should have felt blessed by them.

396 JustABill  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:39:25pm

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, here's something useful for the UN to do, for a change: raise money to move the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque to Jordan. Or Damascus. Or Medina. Anyway, somewhere else.

If the UN could raise the money to move the statues of Abu Simbel--and the entire temple cut into the rocks there--higher up the hills so that they would not be inundated by the Aswan Dam (which, IIRC, the UN also had a hand in funding and building), then it can advance the cause of world peace by relocating these structures.

Won't work, the reason the Mosque was there is that according to Islamic Tradition, Mohammad was taken bodily into heaven from that spot. The reason the Jewish Temple was there is that according to Jewish Tradition, that is the spot where Abraham attempted to sacrifice his son (Isaac in Jewish/Christian tradition, Ishmael in Islamic tradition). Also according to an older belief, both that spot is the spot from which God began to create land.

The stones on the spot are not terribly important, but the ground is...

397 califleftyb  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:45:42pm

By Turkey’s own estimates 5,500 civilians have been killed in its “war” against the Kurds - Peres should have shouted back “You are killing people in Kurdistan”

398 Promethea  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 1:20:14pm

re: #23 dentate

After all, they claim that they have all been there for generations; thus they were all Turkish citizens prior to 1918. If refugee status can be passed down, why not Turkish citizenship?

Ha, ha. Great idea! "International law" and "human rights" cut both ways, sucker.

399 stanleymberg  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 2:23:37pm

Luckily Turkey doesn't have any skeletons in its own....oh, wait:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

400 Elle Plater  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:14:52pm

The Age newspaper in Australia reports that

Peres later apologised for the events, Turkey's Anatolia news agency reported

I'm sure he didn't but that is what his phone call to the Turkish PM was seen as.

401 Steffan  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:56:51pm

James Taranto thinks that Erdogan may have taken Turkey's prospective EU membership behind the barn and shot it in the back of the head.

One obvious point is that Turkey is hardly in a position to criticize Israel for responding firmly to terrorist attacks. Ankara frequently does the same thing, as exemplified by this December 2007 report in London's Daily Telegraph:

Turkey has launched its heaviest air strikes in years on positions in northern Iraq that it claims were occupied by its enemies from the Kurdish Workers' Party, the PKK.

After a series of bloody attacks by the PKK against the army in the south-east of Turkey, Ankara sent its warplanes to attack targets in the Qandil mountains of northern Iraq yesterday.

The PKK said seven people, including two civilians, died in the strikes. In a statement on its website, it said the attacks wounded "many civilians, among them women and children."

A less obvious point is that Erdogan might have killed whatever chance his country had of becoming a member of the European Union. In this regard, the substance of his remarks are not the problem; anti-Israel and anti-Semitic views are quite common in polite European society. But the key word there is polite. Inviting Turkey into the EU after Erdogan's outburst would be like asking Jerry Springer to guest-host for Bill Moyers.

Let's not forget the Armenians, either. They've held a grudge against the Turks since 1915. Worse, some of the perpetrators of the Armenian genocide were welcomed as part of Ataturk's new regime.

I don't see Erdogan even acknowledging that the Armenians just might have a case.

402 tracon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:03:51am

To be honest i thought he was mad at the moderator rather then the PM

403 abaleh  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:57:13am

Erdogan interview published in the Washington Post today.

404 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:38:32pm

re: #402 tracon

To be honest i thought he was mad at the moderator rather then the PM

Did you miss this?

"When it comes to killing, you know very well how to kill," Erdogan, visibly angry, responded as he sat next to Peres at the debate, which also included United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and Arab League chief Amr Moussa. He then walked out of the room.


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