Apple Announcements Imminent

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Apple’s WWDC conference keynote speech is due to begin at 10 am Pacific time, and it’s being liveblogged at Engadget and Gizmodo. (Looks like Gizmodo’s page is Ajax-driven for auto updates…)

Apple’s expected to announce new versions of the iPhone, the new iPhone OS 3.0, and possibly the latest upgrade to OS X, code-named Snow Leopard.

UPDATE at 6/8/09 11:46:34 am:

Release dates: Snow Leopard, September. Current Leopard owners can upgrade for $29 ($49 for the “family package”).

iPhone 3.0: June 17. Free for all iPhone owners, $9.95 for iPod Touch.

UPDATE at 6/8/09 12:04:42 pm:

The new iPhone 3GS with 3MP still/video camera:

16GB - $199
32GB - $299

The 8GB iPhone 3G price has been lowered to $99.

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478 comments
1 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:59:59am

"One year later. Light years ahead."

2 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:00:16am

Being a cat owner and an Apple guy, I like the names they pick.

3 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:00:32am

They are going to announce they are changing their name to Orange?

4 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:00:55am

Apple store down.

5 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:00:56am

This would be infinitely more interesting if a few Lizards were liveblogging the event.

6 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:00:59am
Apple Announcements Imminent

Is this the Eve of something?

7 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:01:20am

re: #3 Desert Dog

They are going to announce they are changing their name to Orange?

They've already changed it from Apple Computers to Apple, Inc.

8 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:01:36am

re: #5 Creeping Eruption

This would be infinitely more interesting if a few Lizards were liveblogging the event.

I'm not there, but I've got overlapping windows so I can watch both LGF and Gizmodo at the same time....

9 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:01:39am

re: #6 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is this the Eve of something?

The new temptation

10 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:01:41am

ITS HERE! ITS HERE!

Apple introduces revolutionary new laptop!

11 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:01:44am

re: #7 gmsc

They've already changed it from Apple Computers to Apple, Inc.

Apples and Oranges then?

12 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:02:10am

re: #3 Desert Dog

They are going to announce they are changing their name to Orange?

I guess we gotta wait 'til after 100.
Rats.

13 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:02:18am

I am much more interested in the Banana news.

14 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:02:55am

Do I go walking to be healthy or stay here and watch the blogging?

Choices, choices...

15 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:03:15am

I'm going to clean out now. I don't post on iPhone threads, since I work for Sprint. That AT&T has an exclusive on the iPhone makes it impossible for me to support it. So, I'm going to clear off rather than be a troll.

16 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:03:22am

re: #6 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is this the Eve of something?

New products and software – they're going to Add 'em.

/Add 'em, Eve! It's a joke, son! I'm too fast for you!

17 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:03:30am

re: #9 Creeping Eruption

The new temptation

D' you think we can snake these in, even though it's still early on the thread?

18 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:04:07am

re: #16 gmsc

New products and software – they're going to Add 'em.

/Add 'em, Eve! It's a joke, son! I'm too fast for you!

*GAAAAH!*

/compliment

19 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:04:12am

re: #17 pre-Boomer Marine brat

D' you think we can snake these in, even though it's still early on the thread?

Let the chips Fall where they may

20 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:04:25am

re: #17 pre-Boomer Marine brat

D' you think we can snake these in, even though it's still early on the thread?

In this case, the snake is a product adder!

/Do adders use logs to multiply?

21 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:04:55am

re: #3 Desert Dog

They are going to announce they are changing their name to Orange?

After my Macbook Pro, (2 failed optical drives, one failed logic board, one screen, one battery, one keyboard, all in 2 years), they should change their name to Lemon.
To be fair, they are nice about fixing it, and really rushed the logic board fix, including, it appears, shipping the part over the weekend, especially since it broke the day after I got it back from other repairs.

22 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:05:25am

Uh oh – Phil Schiller's lost weight, too!

23 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:05:29am

re: #21 Kosh's Shadow

After my Macbook Pro, (2 failed optical drives, one failed logic board, one screen, one battery, one keyboard, all in 2 years), they should change their name to Lemon.
To be fair, they are nice about fixing it, and really rushed the logic board fix, including, it appears, shipping the part over the weekend, especially since it broke the day after I got it back from other repairs.

Wow. I've never had such problems.

24 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:05:39am

re: #3 Desert Dog

They are going to announce they are changing their name to Orange?

Actually, there is an Orange; I believe it is owned by a French cell phone company.

25 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:07:15am

re: #20 gmsc

In this case, the snake is a product adder!

/Do adders use logs to multiply?

(omg, what have I begun?!)
That was good!

26 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:07:21am

Uh oh. Don't tell me hte new Macbook Pro has the stupid keyboard like the Macbooks. I hate the feel of those.

27 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:07:22am

For the gadget junkie who has everything....
Heinz creates world's smallest microwave (and you can plug it into your laptop)

It is the world's smallest, portable microwave and can be powered via a link to the USB port on a laptop computer.

The turquoise device -called the Beanzawave - has been created in partnership with Heinz to allow workers tied to their desks to create a warm snack, or hot drink, to see them through the day.

28 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:07:51am

re: #27 Killgore Trout

For the gadget junkie who has everything....
Heinz creates world's smallest microwave (and you can plug it into your laptop)

Okay, super geeky, but that sounds cool.

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:08:17am

re: #22 gmsc

How's Jobs doing anyway?

30 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:08:20am

re: #27 Killgore Trout

For the gadget junkie who has everything....
Heinz creates world's smallest microwave (and you can plug it into your laptop)

WANT.

31 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:08:27am

re: #24 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, there is an Orange; I believe it is owned by a French cell phone company.

Damn French bastards are taking all the good fruit names!

I have yet to venture into the realm of Apple computers. But, I am on my 2nd iPod, having worn out the first one. My favorite techie toy fer sure....got it when I hike, bike, drive and it's plugged in my laptop right now.

32 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:09:26am

re: #27 Killgore Trout

For the gadget junkie who has everything....
Heinz creates world's smallest microwave (and you can plug it into your laptop)

Battery vampire I bet. I am still waiting for my Dick Tracy phone watch.

33 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:09:38am

Oh, SD slot. That's better.

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:09:48am

I was walking to Israel in the Gardens yesterday, and we'd been told there was going to be big mob of protestors. As I got closer, I saw a big group of young people all dressed similarly, and I kind of tensed up a little.

When I got closer, realized they were all speaking Japanese and taking pictures of each other in front of the big Mac building. Relaxed.

35 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:09:58am

re: #30 thedopefishlives

I wonder if you could use it on a plane. It could make long flights more bearable.

36 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:10:00am

re: #6 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is this the Eve of something?

What ever it is it will be tempting.

Jobs is a snake, enticing us with coolness........

37 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:10:42am

Cheaper! Excellent.

38 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:11:08am

$300 price drop for the introductory MacBook Pro!

39 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:11:13am

Wicked specs.

40 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:11:24am

Give me a good tablet

41 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:11:47am

How about a 64GB iPod Touch?

42 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:12:15am

re: #41 gmsc

How about a 64GB iPod Touch?

Okay, don't make me go get the mop.

43 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:12:57am

For those who remember the Suppertanker threads here on LGF....
The ultimate boys' toys: £150,000 replica supertankers which are used to train the captains of tomorrow

The two little boats seen here are replica oil supertankers, used for training captains who want to take charge of the real thing.

They are electronically powered and worth £150,000 - which rules them out as a toy, for those who thought they looked like great fun.

The students at the Warsash Maritime Academy in Southampton are being prepared to deal with conditions on some of the roughest seas in the world.


Looks like fun.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:13:17am

The iRaq looks unstable.

45 Afrocity  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:13:24am

The only thing Apple I own is my iPod. I think that will be it for awhile.

Have a great week guys.

46 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:13:44am

re: #45 Afrocity

The only thing Apple I own is my iPod. I think that will be it for awhile.

Have a great week guys.

Bye, Afro!

47 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:13:58am

Oooh – New MacBooks available today.

That explains one reason the Apple Store is down.

C'mon, Apple, how about those banners with flying app icons? What's up?

48 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:14:07am

re: #38 gmsc

$300 price drop for the introductory MacBook Pro!

Good. Despite my problems with my current one, I'd consider it.
(But I'll never order another computer the day it comes out; mine was one of the first MacBook pro's with the LED screen.)

49 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:14:24am

re: #47 gmsc

Oooh – New MacBooks available today.

That explains one reason the Apple Store is down.

C'mon, Apple, how about those banners with flying app icons? What's up?

They always do this. It's standard protocol.

50 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:14:31am

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

The iRaq looks unstable.

It's due to the fact that someone hacked into the system and installed oBama.

51 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:14:31am

re: #36 jcm

What ever it is it will be tempting.

Jobs is a snake, enticing us some people with coolness........

Fixed that for you me

52 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:14:36am

Will Grapes start demanding equal media access?

53 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:15:06am

re: #52 FurryOldGuyJeans

Will Grapes start demanding equal media access?

Crunchberries have already tried.
;)

54 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:15:09am

No shot of the keyboard. Rats. Have to look later.

55 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:15:48am

Firewire's back! Yaaaaaay!

56 Lincolntf  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:15:59am

re: #43 Killgore Trout


From the comments:

They look like a right bunch of numpties.

- Chris, England, 08/6/2009 12:34


Any UK lizards want to tell me WTF a numptie is?

57 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:16:00am

re: #53 gmsc

Crunchberries have already tried.
;)

Ah, NUTS! ;)

58 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:16:00am

Interesting; so everything is Macbook Pro now. Why? What does it do to help Apple to call everything a Pro? Kind of silly.

59 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:16:01am

re: #37 vxbush

Cheaper! Excellent.

Affordable.

60 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:16:02am

OT: Caption contest time.... Michelle Obama and Carla Bruni.

61 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:16:15am

I guess there will be no news on the stuff I'm using (MacPro and the server lineup).

62 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:16:30am

Grrr... photos aren't always coming through at Gizmodo.

63 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:16:50am

"EP Gold Standard"? Huh?

64 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:17:03am

re: #62 vxbush

Grrr... photos aren't always coming through at Gizmodo.

Hit refresh.

65 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:17:12am

re: #61 enoughalready

I guess there will be no news on the stuff I'm using (MacPro and the server lineup).

We're only 16 minutes in . . . give 'em a chance.

If anything on Mac Pro/server stuff, it will probably be announcements, but not a release.

66 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:17:25am

re: #56 Lincolntf

From the comments:

They look like a right bunch of numpties.

- Chris, England, 08/6/2009 12:34

Any UK lizards want to tell me WTF a numptie is?

numpty Noun. A fool, idiot. Also spelt numbty and numptie. [Orig. Scottish]

67 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:17:35am

re: #56 Lincolntf

numptie

68 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:17:40am

re: #63 vxbush

"EP Gold Standard"? Huh?

I think he meant to type "EPA".

69 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:17:50am

re: #60 lawhawk

OT: Caption contest time.... Michelle Obama and Carla Bruni.

"Did you have surgery for those cheekbones?"

70 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:18:12am

re: #68 gmsc

I think he meant to type "EPA".

Ah. Perhaps.

Okay, Snow Leopard announcements.

71 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:18:28am

re: #60 lawhawk

OT: Caption contest time.... Michelle Obama and Carla Bruni.

Yep. French people stink. Even the pretty ones.

72 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:18:34am

But shouldn't they compare it to Windows 7, not Vista?

73 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:18:37am

"World's Greenest Lineup of Notebooks"

-but you may want to buy them, anyway.

74 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:18:47am

The new Air config sounds interesting though. But i think I will stick with my S101H, much h4xx0r friendlier.

75 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:18:54am

re: #72 vxbush

But shouldn't they compare it to Windows 7, not Vista?

They heard you!

76 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:19:13am

re: #75 gmsc

They heard you!

I'm just psychic, I tell ya.

77 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:19:24am

re: #51 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Fixed that for you me

pBMb isn't in the cool crowd!

Just wait till PE class and dodge ball dude!

;-P

78 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:19:36am

re: #65 gmsc

I meant more in general, I wasn't expecting anything given the Nehalem version and everything. (And I lurv it a lot)

79 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:19:40am

re: #76 vxbush

I'm just psychic, I tell ya.

I'm a physic – I can predict people's movements.

80 Lincolntf  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:19:49am

Thanks for the definition. Now I'll be searching for an opportunity to use it in conversation.

81 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:19:49am

re: #73 gmsc

"World's Greenest Lineup of Notebooks"

-but you may want to buy them, anyway.

Green Apples? Must be sour.

82 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:19:58am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

For those who remember the Suppertanker threads here on LGF....
The ultimate boys' toys: £150,000 replica supertankers which are used to train the captains of tomorrow


Looks like fun.

They will sell some to the Somalis as well. Training purposes, you know

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:19:59am

re: #60 lawhawk

OT: Caption contest time.... Michelle Obama and Carla Bruni.

That's hilarious. I have no caption.

84 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:20:21am

re: #77 jcm

pBMb isn't in the cool crowd!

Just wait till PE class and dodge ball dude!

;-P

Been there, whacked by that

*grin*

85 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:20:24am

And Vista is really just a slightly prettier version of XP, at least on the surface. More than enough problems underneath....

86 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:21:09am

Ever wonder what kind of operating system Apple is saving the "Lion" name for?

87 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:21:21am

Argh! They should have updated the Finder! Groan.

88 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:21:53am

Oh, small tweaks here. Expose in dock, nice. 3D rendering, not so sure.

89 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:22:10am

re: #86 gmsc

Ever wonder what kind of operating system Apple is saving the "Lion" name for?

I'm waiting for Sabertooth.

90 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:22:11am

re: #87 vxbush

Argh! They should have updated the Finder! Groan.

Making it 45% faster isn't updating it?

91 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:22:59am

re: #84 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Been there, whacked by that

*grin*

LOL!

92 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:23:02am

Install Snow Leopard – get an addition 6GB of space over Leopard? Nice!

93 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:23:26am

re: #79 gmsc

I'm a physic – I can predict people's movements.

I gave you an upding on that ... did you want an upding on that?

94 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:23:58am

re: #60 lawhawk

OT: Caption contest time.... Michelle Obama and Carla Bruni.

"I hate your cheekbones. I hate your nose. But most of all, I hate your jawline!"

95 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:24:17am

"Chinese Input Method, 'It can be cumbersome.' Now you can spell out the characters with your trackpad."

Then you'll need to have a trackpad for Chinese desktop users.

96 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:24:29am

I dunno but when they are talking rewriting the Finder using stuff like "More consistent click-throughs" as a benefit makes it sound a lot like "Ok, we finally realized that you were right and that the Finder is kind of crap but we can't really say that out loud. But more consistent click-throughs! Yay!

97 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:24:34am

re: #93 itellu3times

I gave you an upding on that ... did you want an upding on that?

Always!

98 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:24:38am

Safari 4 non-beta released today.

99 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:24:53am

re: #94 Dianna

"I hate your cheekbones. I hate your nose. But most of all, I hate your jawline!"

Oh, wait! That was me!

100 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:25:10am

Sorry, family destraction. Didn't see the 45% faster until just now.

But compressing files to save 6GB means doing a safe boot will take even longer.

101 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:25:51am

Safari 4 for Leopard finally gets out of beta? I'm switching!

102 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:25:53am

Wow -- Safari 4 scores 100% on the ACID 3 browser test. Eggscellent.

103 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:26:21am

50% faster Javascript? Woof.

104 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:26:23am

Over 6 GB more space! Yay! Too bad I have 4 TB.

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:26:40am

re: #99 Dianna

Oh, wait! That was me!

Yeah. I have to admit to sympathy for Michelle. If they made me sit next to Carla Bruni at an event with cameras I would not be a happy camper.

106 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:26:51am

Monkey like faster Javascript.

107 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:26:56am

re: #100 vxbush

Sorry, family destraction. Didn't see the 45% faster until just now.

But compressing files to save 6GB means doing a safe boot will take even longer.

Why would you have to do a safe boot on a Mac? Mac OS is perfect!

//Mac Fanboy

108 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:27:02am

re: #60 lawhawk

OT: Caption contest time.... Michelle Obama and Carla Bruni.

"Th' only runway I was ever on was at O'Hare."

109 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:27:24am

QuickTime 10?

Oh, great – another 30 bucks for QuickTime Pro.

110 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:27:41am

I will run my JS benchmarks tonight. It's going to be interesting now. If IE6 users finally move to something useful I will be happier than a pig in a big puddle of mud with extra mud.

111 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:28:08am

I'm sorry y'all, but I are a tech-tard; what's the advantage of having the keyboard on the monitor instead of where that wheel thing is?

112 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:28:29am

re: #100 vxbush

Sorry, family destraction. Didn't see the 45% faster until just now.

But compressing files to save 6GB means doing a safe boot will take even longer.

Who said the install compresses files?

The additional 6 GB comes from the lower memory requirements of Snow Leopard.

113 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:28:59am

re: #111 realwest

I'm sorry y'all, but I are a tech-tard; what's the advantage of having the keyboard on the monitor instead of where that wheel thing is?

Because a screen-based keyboard can be recoded to be *any* keyboard. Even if you remap a physical keyboard, the letters on teh keys don't change.

114 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:29:12am

"From where I’m sitting, he looks like a more exciting John Kerry."

....which would be just about anybody in this world.

115 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:29:12am

re: #106 Charles

Monkey like faster Javascript.

Youtube Video
116 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:29:12am

re: #111 realwest

I'm sorry y'all, but I are a tech-tard; what's the advantage of having the keyboard on the monitor instead of where that wheel thing is?

the "Mac Wheel" is a spoof.

117 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:29:21am

re: #106 Charles

Monkey like faster Javascript.

What would that to the lgf hamsters?

118 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:29:34am

re: #112 gmsc

Who said the install compresses files?

The additional 6 GB comes from the lower memory requirements of Snow Leopard.

Can't find it now, but Gizmodo said that the files in the OS were compressed. Or something like that.

119 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:29:43am

Hmmm. Either Safari 4 has copied a page from Chrome's playbook or Google is sharing tricks.

120 Jimmah  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:29:45am

What is the relative popularity of web browsers like IE, forefox, safari etc just now?

121 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:30:20am

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. I have to admit to sympathy for Michelle. If they made me sit next to Carla Bruni at an event with cameras I would not be a happy camper.

In most ways, I really would have nothing to fear. I already accept that she looks better than I do.

122 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:31:02am

re: #60 lawhawk

OT: Caption contest time.... Michelle Obama and Carla Bruni.

"I bet you don't shave your armpits."

123 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:31:03am

re: #113 vxbush

Because a screen-based keyboard can be recoded to be *any* keyboard. Even if you remap a physical keyboard, the letters on teh keys don't change.

There's a prototype keyboard out there, each key is a little LCD screen. Completely customizable to language, color etc.....

124 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:31:25am

Guys: Talking about computer models.

Ladies: Talking about fashion models.

125 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:31:33am

re: #123 jcm

There's a prototype keyboard out there, each key is a little LCD screen. Completely customizable to language, color etc.....

And far more expensive than having a soft keyboard in your OS. Just sayin'.

126 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:32:08am

re: #120 Jimmah

What is the relative popularity of web browsers like IE, forefox, safari etc just now?

Browser Statistics Month by Month

127 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:32:19am

re: #124 gmsc

Guys: Talking about computer models.

Ladies: Talking about fashion models.

I'm a tech-tard, like realwest.

128 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:32:25am

Eh, going over Safari 4, which we've seen in Beta. Yawn.

129 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:32:28am

re: #123 jcm

There's a prototype keyboard out there, each key is a little LCD screen. Completely customizable to language, color etc.....

The Optimus!

130 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:32:33am

re: #113 vxbush

Because a screen-based keyboard can be recoded to be *any* keyboard. Even if you remap a physical keyboard, the letters on teh keys don't change.


Um, what? What do you mean "remap a physical keyboard"?

131 Bear  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:32:33am

Is this going to be a good replacement for my Apple II?

132 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:32:37am

re: #124 gmsc

Guys: Talking about computer models.

Ladies: Talking about fashion models.

Y'mean OR isn't in the room?

133 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:32:48am

re: #124 gmsc

Guys: Talking about computer models.

Ladies: Talking about fashion models.

Ahem. Lady here. I don't do fashion.

134 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:32:54am

Time to move to Vegas

Anything goes in Miami Beach, except Mr. Clucky
Jun. 7, 2009 07:07 AM
Associated Press

MIAMI BEACH, Fla. - Miami Beach tolerates all kinds of eccentricity, but the south Florida playground of the rich and famous draws the line at a bicycle riding rooster named Mr. Clucky.

The white bird who perches on his owner's bike has become a favorite subject of tourist photos. But he's been ordered out of town for his cacophonous crowing every day at 6 a.m.

135 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:33:07am

re: #123 jcm

The Optimus Maximus. Cool stuff but not for me (I use the old IBM keyboards)

[Link: www.artlebedev.com...]

136 gearhead  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:33:14am

re: #60 lawhawk

OT: Caption contest time.... Michelle Obama and Carla Bruni.

"I know you French people like a lot of creamy sauces and stuff, but, girl, I think you might be lactose intolerant. Just sayin'."

137 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:33:14am

re: #125 vxbush

And far more expensive than having a soft keyboard in your OS. Just sayin'.

No doubt, had one here to play with for a while.

Who cares what cool costs? ///

138 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:33:22am

re: #133 vxbush

Ahem. Lady here. I don't do fashion.

Neither do I. But I did like lawhawk's caption contest.

139 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:33:31am

re: #133 vxbush

Ahem. Lady here. I don't do fashion.

Oops. Sorry.

I guess I should never ever generalize.

/Damn. Did it again!

140 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:33:43am

re: #138 Dianna

Neither do I. But I did like lawhawk's caption contest.

Heh. Too busy here tracking Apple to see the picture....

141 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:34:27am

Oh, nice. Minimal video editing in Quicktime. Excellent.

142 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:34:51am

re: #133 vxbush

Ahem. Lady here. I don't do fashion.

And I don't obsess computers, but models would be something I wouldn't mind doing. ;)

143 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:34:59am

re: #140 vxbush

Heh. Too busy here tracking Apple to see the picture....

Michelle Obama was sitting next to Carla Bruni, and got caught with one of those awful frowns; she appears to be glaring at Carla's remarkable jawline.

144 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:35:02am

re: #89 Racer X

I'm waiting for Sabertooth.

That one has been extinct obsolete for years.
But it was easy enough for a caveman to use@

145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:35:14am

These flashy lights and keyboards frighten me.

146 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:35:22am

re: #130 realwest

Um, what? What do you mean "remap a physical keyboard"?

You can change what the key puts what letter on the screen. You can assign any letter to the "Q" key. but with a hard keyboard, the letter on the keyboard key is still "Q". You have to remember what letter you've assigned to the "Q" key.

147 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:35:33am

re: #143 Dianna

Michelle Obama was sitting next to Carla Bruni, and got caught with one of those awful frowns; she appears to be glaring at Carla's remarkable jawline.

Ah. Makes sense.

148 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:35:36am

re: #141 vxbush

Oh, nice. Minimal video editing in Quicktime. Excellent.

Heck, I've done video editing in QuickTime Pro before – including chroma key/mask effects. It just sounds like they've improved it.

149 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:36:22am

Ah, but can they make 64-bit OSes understandable to lay users?

150 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:36:31am

re: #140 vxbush
Did y'all see my #130?

151 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:36:52am

OT

SCOTUS turns down challenge on don't ask don't tell:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

A whole lotta Obama supporters are gonna be pissed. It was another campaign promise that had a hidden expiration date. Right up to inauguration he was saying Don't ask Don't tell was going to be repealed.

152 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:37:11am

re: #143 Dianna

Michelle Obama was sitting next to Carla Bruni, and got caught with one of those awful frowns; she appears to be glaring at Carla's remarkable jawline.

Whereas Michelle looks merely cheeky.

153 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:37:20am

McDonald's throws birthday party for customer, 100
Jun. 8, 2009 07:14 AM
Associated Press

BRIGHTON, Mich. - A Michigan woman has celebrated her 100th birthday at the same eatery she's visited regularly for the past 15 years - McDonald's.

Georgia Boynton stopped last week at the restaurant in Brighton for her customary hamburger and coffee. Instead, she got a surprise party with cake and balloons.

154 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:37:40am

re: #130 realwest

Um, what? What do you mean "remap a physical keyboard"?

Sorry, didn't see that. "Remap" means that while the keys may have one set of letters on them, when you press the key you'll see something completely different. That can be really confusing if you're using an American keyboard but want to use Spanish characters.

155 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:38:34am

re: #151 JohnnyReb

OT

SCOTUS turns down challenge on don't ask don't tell:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

A whole lotta Obama supporters are gonna be pissed. It was another campaign promise that had a hidden expiration date. Right up to inauguration he was saying Don't ask Don't tell was going to be repealed.

Surprise, surprise, surprise

156 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:38:50am

re: #149 vxbush

Ah, but can they make 64-bit OSes understandable to lay users?

They've spent the past several years doing just that!

See this page.

157 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:39:07am

re: #154 vxbush
Ah. Thanks.

158 turn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:39:09am

re: #138 Dianna

Neither do I. But I did like lawhawk's caption contest.

Whoa, that's one angry look on her face. Some of the comments aren't too far off the mark IMO:

"I know that look. See it every day. Its the consequence of carrying a racial chip on your shoulder all of your life. Everything is whitey's fault. Even the self-inflicted dour countenance of Michelle Obama."

159 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:39:10am

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How's Jobs doing anyway?

I haven't heard an official report on his health in ages. He looked like shit the last time I saw a picture, though - a testament to alternative medicine.

160 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:39:36am

re: #159 SixDegrees

I haven't heard an official report on his health in ages. He looked like shit the last time I saw a picture, though - a testament to alternative medicine.

He's scheduled to speak at an Apple event next month.

161 gearhead  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:39:37am

"...and that's why we at Apple believe our technology has progressed to the point that all Macs, Macbooks, iPhones and iPods will, from now on, be unicorn free, without any appreciable loss, in reliability, fanboy adoration, or cuteness."

162 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:39:45am

re: #156 gmsc

They've spent the past several years doing just that!

See this page.

Later. I'll peruse it closer and see if it's a good starter on the subject.

163 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:40:08am

Actually, Grand Central sounds very intriguing. I'd like to see more specs on that.

164 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:41:03am

Okay, why is the fact that they're using C such a big deal?

165 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:41:04am

re: #157 realwest

Ah. Thanks.

It a real fun practical joke, switch someone's keys from QWERTY to Dvorak and watch the fun.......

166 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:41:43am

I hope the Exchange stuff works! Could save a lot of headaches.

167 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:41:53am

re: #147 vxbush

Ah. Makes sense.

Well, it does to me. I did fairly serious singing when I was younger, before I figured out I didn't have the pipes for opera or the talent for pop singing. So my jawline is less than stellar. Even when I was really thin, I've got what looks like the jaw of a much heavier woman.

So I hate Carla Bruni's jawline with a dark and awful passion.

168 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:42:18am

re: #154 vxbush

Sorry, didn't see that. "Remap" means that while the keys may have one set of letters on them, when you press the key you'll see something completely different. That can be really confusing if you're using an American keyboard but want to use Spanish characters.

If you use a dual language keyboard you can get little stickers with the second set of characters.

169 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:42:21am

re: #21 Kosh's Shadow

After my Macbook Pro, (2 failed optical drives, one failed logic board, one screen, one battery, one keyboard, all in 2 years), they should change their name to Lemon.
To be fair, they are nice about fixing it, and really rushed the logic board fix, including, it appears, shipping the part over the weekend, especially since it broke the day after I got it back from other repairs.

Was your motherboard replacement related to the infamous nVidia graphics chipset? They've caused fits for both Windows notebook and MacBook users.

170 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:42:32am

Of course, with Directory Access, you could do some of this already; but iCal support was minimal.

171 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:42:44am

What is it with the repeated John Kerry references?

I hope we're not talking about the John Kerry who ran for president in 2004.

172 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:42:51am

A FROG that constantly changes colour is being worshipped as a GOD in India.
By VIRGINIA WHEELER
Published: Today
The UK Sun

Hundreds of curious followers flock to Reji Kumar’s home every day to pray and ask for miracles.

Now one of the country’s top zoologists plans to study the rainbow frog. But Reji, 35, who keeps the creature in a glass bottle after finding it while out watering plants, is afraid it might CROAK first.

He said: “My one problem is that this frog does not appear to eat. I keep trying to feed it but it doesn’t eat anything. I don’t know what else to give it.”

The frog was a dazzling WHITE colour when Reji, from Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala, first spotted it.

Then it changed to YELLOW and had gone GREY by the time he got it home.

Lift worker Reji added: “By night the frog was dark yellow, and then it became transparent so you could see its internal organs.

173 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:42:54am

re: #160 gmsc

He's scheduled to speak at an Apple event next month.

It'll be interesting to see if they Photoshop him into pictures of the event, or if he actually appears.

174 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:43:04am

re: #165 jcm

It a real fun practical joke, switch someone's keys from QWERTY to Dvorak and watch the fun.......

Or back in the days of easily removable keycaps, rearrange the keys on the keyboard physically, especially for hunt-and-peck keyboardists.

175 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:43:05am

re: #153 FurryOldGuyJeans

McDonald's throws birthday party for customer, 100
Jun. 8, 2009 07:14 AM
Associated Press

So that's the secret to longevity? McDonalds?

176 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:43:16am

Sotomayor Fractures Ankle at New York Airport
Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor fractures her ankle in an airport stumble en route to Senate meetings.

Well i guess she gets the sympathy vote now also. She is looking more and more like a shoe -in. Or maybe I should say a cast-in?

177 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:43:17am

I think he's a lookalike, gmsc. That grey hair....

178 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:43:33am

re: #165 jcm

It a real fun practical joke, switch someone's keys from QWERTY to Dvorak and watch the fun.......

"Do you wanna borrow a calculator?"
(*suppress snicker*)
"Sure ... here."

179 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:43:43am

re: #130 realwest

Every key on your keyboard has an ID it sends ot the OS as a signal. The OS contains a keyboard map where keys are mapped toward characters.
(so SHIFT + S means uppercase S unless CAPS LOCK has been pressed, it's a trivial mapping thing really)
But let's say you want to make your life easier as a programmer for example. Then you may want to switch numbers and symbols around since you use [ and { far more than the numbers. Then you basically edit the keyboard map in the OS (there are tons of utilities for this for every imaginable OS out there). The problem may be that you might want to change the keyboard layout completely (modified Dvorak for example, some of us are really picky). Then something like the Optimus Maximus helps since the keys will actually show what character they are mapped to. It's extra useful if you have specific keyboard layouts for specific applications (modified Dvorak for software development, scientific for Mathematica etc)

180 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:43:46am

Why can't I get a demo version to play with at work? I can always get a personal copy weeks before work.

181 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:43:52am

re: #172 FurryOldGuyJeans

A FROG that constantly changes colour is being worshipped as a GOD in India.
By VIRGINIA WHEELER
Published: Today
The UK Sun

"She comes in colors everywhere . . . "

Youtube Video
182 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:44:01am

re: #174 Kosh's Shadow

Or back in the days of easily removable keycaps, rearrange the keys on the keyboard physically, especially for hunt-and-peck keyboardists.

You can still do that on a lot of notebooks.

/heh

183 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:44:02am

re: #171 gmsc

What is it with the repeated John Kerry references?

I hope we're not talking about the John Kerry who ran for president in 2004.

Earlier he said a speaker had the personality of John Kerry.

184 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:44:32am

re: #183 Racer X

Earlier he said a speaker had the personality of John Kerry.

Ouch.

185 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:44:38am

re: #172 FurryOldGuyJeans

A FROG that constantly changes colour is being worshipped as a GOD in India.
By VIRGINIA WHEELER
Published: Today
The UK Sun

Another case of rainbows being confused with deity.

186 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:44:39am

Of course, I'm afraid of what Exchange Server 2010 is going to look like.....

187 turn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:44:40am

turns a tech-tard too but I have to admit the iphone is really cool. Both turnspawn and turnspawn2 have them and it's unbelievable what they can do with them, something like 35,000 aps to download too. The other day I was painting turnspawns apartment and told him it was getting to be beer-thirty. He punched like three buttons on his iphone and POOFF! up came a google map with little red buttons of all the liquor stores withing a few blocks of his new place. Now that is and indispensable use of technology there!

188 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:44:42am

re: #165 jcm

It a real fun practical joke, switch someone's keys from QWERTY to Dvorak and watch the fun.......

When I got my new laptop, someone had installed Welsh as the default language! I thought it was weird that some of the keys did not produce the expected characters, until I went into Regional Options to install the Hebrew keyboard and found Welsh set as the default.

Somebody at the Dell installation center in Mumbai must have been really bored. Unless...does Dell outsource to Cardiff?

189 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:44:46am

Looks like a lot of talk about Snow Leopard. But did they say whether it's being released today? If so, I missed that part.

190 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:45:13am

re: #172 FurryOldGuyJeans

A FROG that constantly changes colour is being worshipped as a GOD in India.
By VIRGINIA WHEELER
Published: Today
The UK Sun

Wait . . . so Steve Jobs is god?!? Maybe there's something to this ID stuff.

//////////////

191 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:45:18am

California contemplates ultimate reform - no welfare
By Cynthia Hubert %P% Sacramento Bee

Could California become the first state in the nation to do away with welfare?

That doomsday scenario is on the table as lawmakers wrestle with a staggering $24.3 billion budget deficit.

County welfare directors are "in shock" at the very idea of getting rid of CalWORKs, which has been widely viewed as one of the most successful social programs in the state's history, said Bruce Wagstaff, director of the Department of Human Assistance in Sacramento.

192 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:45:19am

re: #189 Last Mohican

Looks like a lot of talk about Snow Leopard. But did they say whether it's being released today? If so, I missed that part.

No word yet.

193 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:45:24am

re: #178 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I have one which only does RPN. That seems to work just as well.

194 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:46:03am

For a WWDC that featured so many iPhone apps on its banner, we're sure not hearing a lot about the iPhone.

195 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:46:06am

re: #169 Ward Cleaver

Was your motherboard replacement related to the infamous nVidia graphics chipset? They've caused fits for both Windows notebook and MacBook users.

I think so. The graphics controller died the day after I got it back from some other repairs. The screen didn't even light up; the system just beeped.
But one problem I brought it in for still hasn't been fixed. It doesn't always wake up from sleep; I have to hard reboot. But then my Vista system has the same problem, although less often, so I think it might be in the chipset. (Both have similar CPUs)

196 turn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:46:07am

re: #164 vxbush

Okay, why is the fact that they're using C such a big deal?

Because they could have used B but settled for second best. (hell I have no clue)

197 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:46:11am

Exchange Server 2007 needed, of course. Sigh.

198 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:46:29am

re: #175 Ward Cleaver

So that's the secret to longevity? McDonalds?

That and cigarettes.
Like they said in Sleeper.

199 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:46:35am

re: #188 Alouette

When I got my new laptop, someone had installed Welsh as the default language! I thought it was weird that some of the keys did not produce the expected characters, until I went into Regional Options to install the Hebrew keyboard and found Welsh set as the default.

Somebody at the Dell installation center in Mumbai must have been really bored. Unless...does Dell outsource to Cardiff?

It may have been intended for one market but got mis- or re- shipped.

Or somebody is having a laugh.

200 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:46:53am

re: #189 Last Mohican

Looks like a lot of talk about Snow Leopard. But did they say whether it's being released today? If so, I missed that part.

It's gonna be a lot of work for me when they do. About 6 family computers to update. It's not like my kids or wife can/will do it. Daddy please?

201 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:47:04am

Oh. Slap at Microsoft. How droll.

202 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:47:29am

HOLY COW! $29!

203 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:47:33am

re: #193 enoughalready

I have one which only does RPN. That seems to work just as well.

The RPN was exactly what I was referring to. I've been using them (and snickering as I loaned them to co-workers) since they first came out.

204 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:47:38am

$29 for Leopard users! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

205 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:47:43am

re: #179 enoughalready
Thank you very much - I actually understood that!

206 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:47:47am

Cool! Snow Leopard upgrade only $29.

207 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:47:56am

re: #193 enoughalready

I have one which only does RPN. That seems to work just as well.

pBMb is trying to get my goat. I've been only RPN for years, I get my hands on a regular calculator and have trouble..

Where's the DAMN enter key?

208 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:48:20am

re: #201 vxbush

Oh. Slap at Microsoft. How droll.

And expected.

But biting the hand that owns a percentage of the company could be a bad move.

209 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:48:23am

September? I have to wait? Argh!

210 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:48:27am

re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hehehe. Oh yeah. I love that "WTF" moment.

211 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:48:31am

re: #191 FurryOldGuyJeans

California contemplates ultimate reform - no welfare
By Cynthia Hubert %P% Sacramento Bee

There was a similar article on Yahoo this morning, weeping and wailing about everyone who could be hurt. I was feeling kind of sorry for them when I got to a quote from a person who works in the welfare bureaucracy. Paraphrased, he said "Our goal is to expand welfare, not contract it." I shouldn't be surprised, since obviously his goal is to keep his job, but shouldn't the proper goal of welfare be to help people get off it and support themselves?

212 turn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:48:44am

re: #176 Nevergiveup

Oh no, bad timing. Well it's not exactly like there is any good time to fracture an ankle but this would tend to be a serious distraction none the less.

213 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:48:53am

re: #206 Charles

Cool! Snow Leopard upgrade only $29.

Wow, great news

214 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:49:04am

re: #204 gmsc

$29 for Leopard users! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

YES! WOOP!

Have to wait till Sept.

:-(

215 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:49:04am

re: #206 Charles

Cool! Snow Leopard upgrade only $29.

Something I understood on a tech thread!

216 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:49:52am

Okay, now the iPhone stuff.

217 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:49:59am

re: #206 Charles

Cool! Snow Leopard upgrade only $29.

I wonder if there is a volume discount?

218 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:50:15am

re: #217 Nevergiveup

I wonder if there is a volume discount?

Family pack of 5 is $49.

219 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:50:26am

Well y'all it's been grand, if somewhat more confusing than usual, but I gotta go.
I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

220 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:50:39am

re: #207 jcm

pBMb is trying to get my goat. I've been only RPN for years, I get my hands on a regular calculator and have trouble..

Where's the DAMN enter key?

I have a little Radio Shack algebraic which I use sometimes to do the check register. I oughta throw th' damn thing away.

221 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:50:51am

$29 only if you already have Leopard, as I understand it. I, um, don't. I was gonna wait for Snow Leopard before buying my new laptop. I'm not so psyched about waiting for September though.

Maybe I should just buy a new laptop with Leopard, and upgrade in September for $29.

222 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:51:03am

re: #172 FurryOldGuyJeans

A FROG that constantly changes colour is being worshipped as a GOD in India.
By VIRGINIA WHEELER
Published: Today
The UK Sun

God Frogs? I prefer Psychoactive Toads

223 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:51:15am

re: #221 Last Mohican

$29 only if you already have Leopard, as I understand it. I, um, don't. I was gonna wait for Snow Leopard before buying my new laptop. I'm not so psyched about waiting for September though.

Maybe I should just buy a new laptop with Leopard, and upgrade in September for $29.

The latter sounds like a good plan. Get one of the new laptops. Bonus.

224 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:51:21am

Unintended consequences indeed

Canada passes "Buy Canada" type resolution
1 day ago

WHISTLER, British Columbia (AP) — Canadian mayors have passed a resolution that would potentially shut out U.S. bidders from local city contracts.

The resolution is in retaliation to "Buy American" provisions in President Barack Obama's stimulus bill. Mayors voted 189-175 to approve the resolution at the Federation of Canadian Municipalities conference in Whistler, British Columbia.

225 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:51:24am

I wish I could get iPhone with Verizon service. AT&T sucks in my area and I switched last year. Of course, then I'd have to pony up for the iPhone, plus additional data service. Maybe I'm better off.

226 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:51:27am

re: #207 jcm

pBMb is trying to get my goat. I've been only RPN for years, I get my hands on a regular calculator and have trouble..

Where's the DAMN enter key?

Too bad HP calculators are so hard to find now, unless you're near a college bookstore. I still have a few.
(In Userfriendly, someone puts an AI in an HP calculator, and it starts talking like Yoda. Strip series starts here, and goes on a few strips.)

227 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:51:33am

re: #191 FurryOldGuyJeans

California contemplates ultimate reform - no welfare
By Cynthia Hubert %P% Sacramento Bee

Yes!

OK everyone - get ready for the exodus out of California and over to your state.

228 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:51:45am

re: #221 Last Mohican

$29 only if you already have Leopard, as I understand it. I, um, don't. I was gonna wait for Snow Leopard before buying my new laptop. I'm not so psyched about waiting for September though.

Maybe I should just buy a new laptop with Leopard, and upgrade in September for $29.

That's one way to do it! Especially with the cheaper MacBook Pro line.

229 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:52:03am

re: #187 turn

turns a tech-tard too but I have to admit the iphone is really cool. Both turnspawn and turnspawn2 have them and it's unbelievable what they can do with them, something like 35,000 aps to download too. The other day I was painting turnspawns apartment and told him it was getting to be beer-thirty. He punched like three buttons on his iphone and POOFF! up came a google map with little red buttons of all the liquor stores withing a few blocks of his new place. Now that is and indispensable use of technology there!

The iPhone is probably the cleverest way yet devised to suck a steady stream of money out of your pocket, a few painless bucks at a time.

230 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:52:15am

re: #60 lawhawk

Nothing compares....

Nothing compares... to you... /sinead song dancing in Michelle's head.

231 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:52:39am

What's with the "giving birth" graphic on Gizmodo?

232 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:52:41am

re: #206 Charles

Cool! Snow Leopard upgrade only $29.

I'll be upgrading soon, then, once Parallels has an upgrade that works with it.

233 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:52:54am

re: #231 gmsc

What's with the "giving birth" graphic on Gizmodo?

No clue.

234 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:53:14am

re: #232 Kosh's Shadow

I'll be upgrading soon, then, once Parallels has an upgrade that works with it.

Not before September, you won't.

235 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:53:19am

re: #171 gmsc

What is it with the repeated John Kerry references?

I hope we're not talking about the John Kerry who ran for president in 2004.

HALP!

236 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:53:20am

re: #231 gmsc

What's with the "giving birth" graphic on Gizmodo?

Part of a video.

237 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:53:23am

re: #227 Racer X

Yes!

OK everyone - get ready for the exodus out of California and over to your state.

I suspect they'll be sadly disappointed in Georgia. I'm not sure what welfare pays, but unemployment maxes out at $300 a week.

238 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:53:33am

4 Palestinians with explosives-laden horses killed

The Israeli military said the Palestinian fighters approached the border fence between Israel and the Hamas-controlled territory with a number of trucks carrying a total of five horses. The militants were planting bombs along the fence when they were spotted and fired on by Israeli infantrymen. The Israelis also employed tanks and helicopter gunships, the military said.

The carcass of one horse was visible at the scene, along with the charred remains of three trucks.

239 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:53:57am

"There is no relevant content for our readers in this video. but it's nice. "

Heh.

240 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:54:13am

re: #235 MandyManners

HALP!

I just get worried, because they do have Al Gore on their board.

241 turn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:54:30am

re: #229 SixDegrees

The iPhone is probably the cleverest way yet devised to suck a steady stream of money out of your pocket, a few painless bucks at a time.

The boys have to pay for their phones so at least they're not being sucked out of turn's pocket. How true, they ask me why I don't get one and I tell them my cellphone does all I want it to - make phone calls.

242 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:54:39am

re: #225 doppelganglander

I wish I could get iPhone with Verizon service. AT&T sucks in my area and I switched last year. Of course, then I'd have to pony up for the iPhone, plus additional data service. Maybe I'm better off.

The Palm Pre will do pretty much everything you're looking for.

243 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:54:46am

re: #218 vxbush

Family pack of 5 is $49.

Shit that's great

244 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:54:51am

I'm already chomping at the bit for iPhone OS 3.0, as they've mentioned it will finally have cut & paste.

245 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:54:56am

re: #238 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

4 Palestinians with explosives-laden horses killed

I guess they did not see Obama's speech last week then? Or, maybe they did and decided to deploy exploding horses anyway?

246 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:55:32am

re: #238 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

4 Palestinians with explosives-laden horses killed

Palestinian Horse Swarm

247 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:55:32am

“…it will dominate in healthcare.”

That explains the "giving birth" graphic.

248 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:55:36am

re: #230 lawhawk

Nothing compares....

Nothing compares... to you... /sinead song dancing in Michelle's head.

Actually, that song was written and originally performed by Prince.

249 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:55:37am

re: #226 Kosh's Shadow

Too bad HP calculators are so hard to find now, unless you're near a college bookstore. I still have a few.
(In Userfriendly, someone puts an AI in an HP calculator, and it starts talking like Yoda. Strip series starts here, and goes on a few strips.)

The full line of HP calculators is now stocked at Best Buy.

250 rightside  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:55:42am

re: #200 Nevergiveup

Oh, and ask them to gather 'round ol' dad while he does the upgrades, so that they can learn how to do it for themselves in the future. Hear every excuse in the book why they can't.

251 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:56:04am

re: #242 Dianna

I've gotta go for awhile, but how's the situation?
Better, or the same?

/I hope it's not worse!

252 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:56:06am

“let’s talk about what’s next” – iPhone OS 3.0

This is what I've been waiting for!

253 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:56:13am

Trade War anyone?

Canadians angered over "Buy American" rule
Sat Jun 6, 2009 4:35pm EDT
By Allan Dowd

WHISTLER, British Columbia (Reuters) - Canadian municipal leaders threatened to retaliate against the "Buy America" movement in the United States on Saturday, warning trade restrictions will hurt both countries' economies.

The Federation of Canadian Municipalities endorsed a controversial proposal to support communities that refuse to buy products from countries that put trade restrictions on products and services from Canada.

The measure is a response to a provision in the U.S. economic stimulus package passed by Congress in February that says public works projects should use iron, steel and other goods made in the United States.

The United States is Canada's largest trading partner, and Canadians have complained the restrictions will bar their companies from billions of dollars in business that they have previously had access to.

"This U.S. protectionist policy is hurting Canadian firms, costing Canadian jobs and damaging Canadian efforts to grow our economy in the midst of a worldwide recession," said Sherbrooke, Quebec, Mayor Jean Perrault, also president of the federation that represents cities and towns across Canada.

254 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:56:18am

re: #238 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

4 Palestinians with explosives-laden horses killed

And:

Palestinian officials said Monday they were close to reaching an agreement with the US according to which the Obama administration would demand an Israeli withdrawal from positions that were manned by Palestinian forces prior to the outbreak of the second intifada at the end of September 2000

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

This might all be bullshit, but ever since Obama was in the WH the demands from the Arabs have been unbelievable. Wonder what makes them think they can get away this shit like this?

255 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:56:57am

re: #233 vxbush

No clue.

Medical imaging tech, other phones have had that app for years though. Transmitting sonograms real time

256 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:57:10am

re: #250 rightside

Oh, and ask them to gather 'round ol' dad while he does the upgrades, so that they can learn how to do it for themselves in the future. Hear every excuse in the book why they can't.

Or I'll be right there?

257 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:57:16am

re: #253 FurryOldGuyJeans

Trade War anyone?

Canadians angered over "Buy American" rule
Sat Jun 6, 2009 4:35pm EDT
By Allan Dowd

The Canucks have a right to be ticked off. Economic isolationism is foolhardy.

258 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:57:25am

On the subject of strange keyboards, anybody here ever program in APL?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

259 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:58:04am

re: #234 gmsc

Not before September, you won't.

And Parallels won't have an upgrade for a while.
When I upgraded to Leopard, they said it worked, but it had a lot of problems with Spaces.
Now, it's great - I give Parallels one "Space" for XP, and use the other 3 for Mac OS. However, I wish Parallels would let me use multiple spaces for multiple OS's, so I could run XP in one space and Linux in another. Maybe with version 4, that has been out for a while.

260 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:58:12am

re: #226 Kosh's Shadow

Too bad HP calculators are so hard to find now, unless you're near a college bookstore. I still have a few.
(In Userfriendly, someone puts an AI in an HP calculator, and it starts talking like Yoda. Strip series starts here, and goes on a few strips.)

MY HP48SX died recently been looking for a replacement. But I've not been using it as much, so it's not a high priority. I should crack it open and run some diagnostics, it's probably a voltage regulator.

261 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:58:28am

re: #249 SixDegrees

The full line of HP calculators is now stocked at Best Buy.

Thanks. I'll have to see whether they actually have them at my local store.

262 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:58:42am

re: #259 Kosh's Shadow

And Parallels won't have an upgrade for a while.
When I upgraded to Leopard, they said it worked, but it had a lot of problems with Spaces.
Now, it's great - I give Parallels one "Space" for XP, and use the other 3 for Mac OS. However, I wish Parallels would let me use multiple spaces for multiple OS's, so I could run XP in one space and Linux in another. Maybe with version 4, that has been out for a while.

Yup. I do the same thing here. Fantastic.

263 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:58:45am

re: #257 eschew_obfuscation

The Canucks have a right to be ticked off. Economic isolationism is foolhardy.

TOTUS doesn't seem to care, after all he's Teh (sic) One.

264 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:59:05am

“AT&T will be ready to support MMS later this summer.” Fail. FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL.


*SNICKER*

265 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:59:11am

re: #240 gmsc

I just get worried, because they do have Al Gore on their board.

Well, he did invent the Internet, ya' know.

266 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:59:11am

re: #254 Nevergiveup

And:

Palestinian officials said Monday they were close to reaching an agreement with the US according to which the Obama administration would demand an Israeli withdrawal from positions that were manned by Palestinian forces prior to the outbreak of the second intifada at the end of September 2000

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

This might all be bullshit, but ever since Obama was in the WH the demands from the Arabs have been unbelievable. Wonder what makes them think they can get away this shit like this?

Ali Waked is the resident Pali propagandist at YNet. Everything he writes is utter bullshit.

267 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:59:24am

re: #257 eschew_obfuscation

The Canucks have a right to be ticked off. Economic isolationism is foolhardy.

But, it sounds SO GOOD when a certain "Candidate" reads it off a teleprompter.

268 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:59:28am

Maybe they should have thought twice before going with AT&T. "MMS will be available later this year. "

269 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:59:52am

There is currently no Israeli ambassador in the US, Channel 10 reported Monday.

According to the report, there have been bureaucratic delays in securing US clearance for new envoy Michael Oren's appointment, while his predecessor, Salai Meridor, refused to stay on and has already returned to Israel.

There is that warm and fuzzy feeling again in Washington for Israel?

270 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:59:53am

re: #260 jcm

MY HP48SX died recently been looking for a replacement. But I've not been using it as much, so it's not a high priority. I should crack it open and run some diagnostics, it's probably a voltage regulator.

I still have an HP-67 but the batteries went. I was able to kludge a cordless phone battery pack to work, but the card reader needs to be cleaned and lubricated, and the instructions I've found are more than I want to do. (Includes the warning to do the work on a large towel because pieces will fly out.)

271 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:59:53am

I coulda gone to this and live-blogged it for LGF, but I saw that so many other sites were planning to do the same thing (like Gizmodo etc.) that it probably wasn't worth the effort.

But I'm excited to see what is unveiled anyway!

272 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:00:11am

re: #242 Dianna

The Palm Pre will do pretty much everything you're looking for.

I'm sure it does, but I've been totally sucked in by the iPhone commercials. I find myself wanting stuff I didn't even know I needed, like the bird watching app.

273 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:00:33am

re: #272 doppelganglander

I'm sure it does, but I've been totally sucked in by the iPhone commercials. I find myself wanting stuff I didn't even know I needed, like the bird watching app.

Probably some of the best commercials ever made, in some ways.

274 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:00:35am

re: #240 gmsc

I just get worried, because they do have Al Gore on their board.

Someone should send Algore to North Korea to get his reporters back. With any luck, they'll keep him.

275 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:00:38am

re: #248 Dianna

Actually, that song was written and originally performed by Prince.

But, still, nothing compares to Sinead....literally, nothing

276 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:00:52am

iTunes U support! I know some profs that will be happy to hear that.

277 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:00:53am

Aw, crummy buttons! I have to start getting ready for work.

278 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:01:13am

re: #271 zombie

I coulda gone to this and live-blogged it for LGF, but I saw that so many other sites were planning to do the same thing (like Gizmodo etc.) that it probably wasn't worth the effort.

But I'm excited to see what is unveiled anyway!

Is this up YOUR alley?!

/sorry ... couldn't resist.

279 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:01:31am

From the live-blog:

"Mark Wilson:
Also, TV shows, music videos and audio books. Over 3G.

10:59 AM ON JUN 8 2009

Mark Wilson:
iTunes to allow rental and purchase of movies from the iPhone."

Ahhhh,interesting. So, basically the iPhone is now to be a portable TV and movie theater.

280 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:01:46am

Tethering, good.

281 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:02:10am

re: #278 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is this up YOUR alley?!

/sorry ... couldn't resist.

uh oh, maybe "up your alley" has a different meaning in SF!

282 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:02:32am

re: #279 zombie

From the live-blog:

"Mark Wilson:
Also, TV shows, music videos and audio books. Over 3G.

10:59 AM ON JUN 8 2009

Mark Wilson:
iTunes to allow rental and purchase of movies from the iPhone."

Ahhhh,interesting. So, basically the iPhone is now to be a portable TV and movie theater.

It already is. Now it's a portable library, portable movie store, and portable music store.

283 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:03:13am

re: #272 doppelganglander

I'm sure it does, but I've been totally sucked in by the iPhone commercials. I find myself wanting stuff I didn't even know I needed, like the bird watching app.

I'm not going with any touch screen phone unless the local cell phone traffic service goes to voice response. I can find the keys by feel for the routes I take without taking my eyes off the road, but that won't work with a touchscreen.
It actually would be a fairly simple voice response application, as such things go.

284 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:03:23am

AT&T: Big loser. That's right.

285 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:03:31am

Gizmodo blog:

"They’re talking about Cut, Copy and Paste – it works with all apps, there’s undo support and there are developer APIs – stuff we knew"

Finally! Good.

286 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:04:17am

re: #282 vxbush

It already is. Now it's a portable library, portable movie store, and portable music store.

And don't forget the pr0n.

WHAT?!

287 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:04:26am

re: #284 vxbush

AT&T: Big loser. That's right.

why?

288 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:04:44am

The 20 Most Inappropriately Hilarious Yahoo! Answers Questions

*Language Warning*

289 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:04:51am

re: #287 reine.de.tout

why?

Because they can't support the iPhone as well as other international carriers can.

290 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:05:07am

re: #276 vxbush

iTunes U support! I know some profs that will be happy to hear that.

There's an iTunes University?

291 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:05:20am

Hebrew! Greek! Fun.

292 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:05:29am

re: #283 Kosh's Shadow

I'm not going with any touch screen phone unless the local cell phone traffic service goes to voice response. I can find the keys by feel for the routes I take without taking my eyes off the road, but that won't work with a touchscreen.
It actually would be a fairly simple voice response application, as such things go.

I generally don't like touch screens, but I think I could get over it. I'm surprised for something like traffic that voice response wouldn't be a given.

293 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:05:45am

re: #290 Occasional Reader

There's an iTunes University?

Yup. Specifically allows professors to post chats, podcasts, etc. for their classes.

294 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:05:50am

Autofill?

Sounds convenient, but if your phone gets stolen, then all your info is there waiting for the thief to use and abuse.

295 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:06:32am

re: #294 zombie

Autofill?

Sounds convenient, but if your phone gets stolen, then all your info is there waiting for the thief to use and abuse.

Heh. 30 Rock moment now showing.

296 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:06:34am

re: #225 doppelganglander

I wish I could get iPhone with Verizon service. AT&T sucks in my area and I switched last year. Of course, then I'd have to pony up for the iPhone, plus additional data service. Maybe I'm better off.

Get a used, unlocked iPhone on eBay. Problem solved.

297 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:07:11am

re: #275 Desert Dog

But, still, nothing compares to Sinead....literally, nothing

A cue ball?

298 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:07:41am

Okay, only through MobileMe, but if you're phone is stolen, how fantastic to be able to track it down in any web browser!

299 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:07:43am

re: #294 zombie

Autofill?

Sounds convenient, but if your phone gets stolen, then all your info is there waiting for the thief to use and abuse.

I absolutely, positively refuse to use "autofill" functions for that very reason.

300 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:08:26am

re: #279 zombie

From the live-blog:

"Mark Wilson:
Also, TV shows, music videos and audio books. Over 3G.

10:59 AM ON JUN 8 2009

Mark Wilson:
iTunes to allow rental and purchase of movies from the iPhone."

Ahhhh,interesting. So, basically the iPhone is now to be a portable TV and movie theater.

They are catching up, other phones already do that

301 turn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:09:14am

re: #288 Ben Hur

The 20 Most Inappropriately Hilarious Yahoo! Answers Questions

*Language Warning*

OMG the question that got "I would see a doctor" as a response was really out there.

302 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:09:19am

Remote wiping! Fantastic!

303 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:09:23am

Heh, Remote Wipe...

304 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:09:24am

re: #242 Dianna

The Palm Pre will do pretty much everything you're looking for.

Perhaps, but keep in mind that we iPhone users plan to start calling the Pre users "PreVerts".

Well, *I* plan to, anyway.

305 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:09:25am

By the way, the LGF Spy button (the green magnifying glass at bottom right of the top post), opens a window showing comments to this thread automatically -- works pretty well as a liveblog too.

306 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:09:28am

Kennedy bill would make employers provide care

WASHINGTON (AP) - Employers would be required to offer health care to employees or pay a penalty - and all Americans would be guaranteed health insurance - under a draft bill circulated Friday by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's health committee.

The bill would provide subsidies to help poor people pay for care, guarantee patients the right to select any doctor they want and require everyone to purchase insurance, with exceptions for those who can't afford to.

Insurers would be supposed to offer a basic level of care and would be required to cover all comers, without turning people away because of pre-existing conditions or other reasons. Insurance companies' profits would be limited, and private companies would have to compete with a new public "affordable access" plan that would for the first time offer government-sponsored health care to Americans not eligible for Medicare, Medicaid or other programs.

If the poor receive subsidies to pay for health care and everyone will be required to have health insurance...how can any not afford it?

Sounds like double talk bullshit...the tax elevator is about to go way up.

307 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:09:32am

re: #288 Ben Hur

The 20 Most Inappropriately Hilarious Yahoo! Answers Questions

*Language Warning*

The Jesus Pancake one was my favorite....too funny!

308 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:09:35am

re: #275 Desert Dog

But, still, nothing compares to Sinead....literally, nothing


In my top 5, actually.

She's amazing.

Especially the newer stuff from after the meltdown.

309 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:09:45am

re: #302 vxbush

Remote wiping! Fantastic!

Wouldn't a bidet be more practical?

310 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:10:01am

re: #292 doppelganglander

I generally don't like touch screens, but I think I could get over it. I'm surprised for something like traffic that voice response wouldn't be a given.

I heard years ago, the company doing the traffic system didn't want it, even when offered. Nowadays, they have ads on the service, so I could see a company doing it for "promotional consideration". They could get years of (company name based on the one I'm most familiar with)
"Now with voice response, brought to you by Nuance, a leader in speech recognition technology"

Then, they'd just have to get the service to update the messages more quickly. They tend to leave a message about a problem for half an hour after the problem is gone

311 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:10:04am

re: #297 MandyManners

A cue ball?

Well, yes, if the cue ball is a talentless freak as well

312 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:10:18am

re: #309 Occasional Reader

Wouldn't a bidet be more practical?

ROTFL! Oh, OR. I think your brain needs wiping.

313 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:10:36am

re: #302 vxbush

Remote wiping! Fantastic!

Also a locater - I could have used that a month or so ago when daughter lost her phone, thought it had been stolen

314 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:10:38am

re: #297 MandyManners

A cue ball?

A chronically angry, Pope-hating cue ball?

315 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:10:42am

But seriously, what a great security feature if you lose your phone. It's great.

316 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:10:57am

re: #296 Occasional Reader

Get a used, unlocked iPhone on eBay. Problem solved.

I will definitely look into that, thanks.

317 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:11:21am

Actually, I thought the "remote wipe" thing had already been rolled out in the last major iPhone software upgrade?

318 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:11:31am

re: #304 Occasional Reader

Perhaps, but keep in mind that we iPhone users plan to start calling the Pre users "PreVerts".

Well, *I* plan to, anyway.

That's PreFects.
(Obscure reference to a book about someone from the planet Perv)

319 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:12:45am

re: #317 Occasional Reader

Actually, I thought the "remote wipe" thing had already been rolled out in the last major iPhone software upgrade?

Mr. Whipple,,, is that you, and may I squeeze the Charmin?

320 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:13:04am

re: #318 Kosh's Shadow

That's PreFects.
(Obscure reference to a book about someone from the planet Perv)

You know what I think? I think this Palm product rollout is some kind of conspiracy of deviated PreVerts...

321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:13:12am

I... uh... use Windows.

Can I hang out with the cool kids anyway?

322 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:13:20am

re: #165 jcm

It a real fun practical joke, switch someone's keys from QWERTY to Dvorak and watch the fun.......

Would it play music?

323 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:13:35am

Charles: did you see that "70%" paid to dev bit?

324 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:13:39am

re: #302 vxbush

Remote wiping! Fantastic!

Can you remote wipe the phone if it is kept turned off, tho?

325 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:13:58am

re: #319 sattv4u2

Mr. Whipple,,, is that you, and may I squeeze the Charmin?

I'd answer that question, but I'd be betraying an Ancient Chinese Secret.

326 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:14:15am

re: #27 Killgore Trout

For the gadget junkie who has everything....
Heinz creates world's smallest microwave (and you can plug it into your laptop)

Killgore Trout -

If I didn't have a .6 cu ft mini in my work area (7 year old pre-"LG" Gold Star, retrieved from an empty apartment, to replace 14 year old Samsung that died an untimely death by dent after being dropped) I just might be interested.

-S-

327 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:14:31am

re: #324 zombie

Can you remote wipe the phone if it is kept turned off, tho?

Or if it's in a Faraday cage?

328 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:14:35am

re: #324 zombie

Can you remote wipe the phone if it is kept turned off, tho?

Not sure.

329 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:14:38am

re: #323 Thanos

Charles: did you see that "70%" paid to dev bit?

That was pretty good. 70%. Plus 70% of in-app purchases.

I really gotta jump on the iPhone app programming bandwagon. It's the new Gold Rush.

330 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:14:41am

re: #288 Ben Hur

The 20 Most Inappropriately Hilarious Yahoo! Answers Questions

*Language Warning*

The baking soda and vinegar volcano answer is EPIC WIN

331 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:14:43am

re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I... uh... use Windows.

Can I hang out with the cool kids anyway?

I downdinged you, just to be an arrogant, Mac-using elitist SOB. Ha!

332 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:15:18am

re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I... uh... use Windows.

Can I hang out with the cool kids anyway?

Don't piss off the Apple Fanboys. They aren't as bad as jihadi's but I think they give Scientologists a run for their money when they get in a hugg about something.

333 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:15:27am

re: #324 zombie

Can you remote wipe the phone if it is kept turned off, tho?

IIRC, the idea is that once anyone turns it on an connects to the network, ZAP, info wiped.

334 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:16:00am

re: #332 ArchangelMichael

Don't piss off the Apple Fanboys. They aren't as bad as jihadi's but I think they give Scientologists a run for their money when they get in a hugg about something.

Okay, but some of us fanboys are fanchicks, and we like our toys. They're just easier to manage than Windoze.

335 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:16:01am

re: #332 ArchangelMichael

Dammit.... a HUFF about something. PIMF.

336 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:16:08am

Games? Get off this game topic, Apple dudes. Boring to me!

337 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:16:16am

re: #323 Thanos

Charles: did you see that "70%" paid to dev bit?

Sure did. That's an awesome deal for devs.

338 fizzlogic  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:16:43am

iPhone question...

Is there a way to reload a web page on the iPhone without scrolling all the way back to the top? Or a way to to quickly scroll to the bottom of a page?

339 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:16:51am

Anybody know what it takes to make a web site mobile-enabled?

i.e. Is it a fairly simple plug-in to a server or is there a lot of fooling around in each page of code?

(I suspect the answer is "yes")

340 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:16:51am

re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I... uh... use Windows.

Can I hang out with the cool kids anyway?

iPhones work with Windows too! Or all by themselves! No need to feel left out.

341 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:17:14am

Think twice about 'green' transport, say scientists
Jun 7 07:45 PM US/Eastern
AFP

You worry a lot about the environment and do everything you can to reduce your carbon footprint -- the emissions of greenhouse gases that drive dangerous climate change.

So you always prefer to take the train or the bus rather than a plane, and avoid using a car whenever you can, faithful to the belief that this inflicts less harm to the planet.

Well, there could be a nasty surprise in store for you, for taking public transport may not be as green as you automatically think, says a new US study.

Its authors point out an array of factors that are often unknown to the public.

These are hidden or displaced emissions that ramp up the simple "tailpipe" tally, which is based on how much carbon is spewed out by the fossil fuels used to make a trip.

Environmental engineers Mikhail Chester and Arpad Horvath at the University of California at Davis say that when these costs are included, a more complex and challenging picture emerges.

In some circumstances, for instance, it could be more eco-friendly to drive into a city -- even in an SUV, the bete noire of green groups -- rather than take a suburban train. It depends on seat occupancy and the underlying carbon cost of the mode of transport.

"We are encouraging people to look at not the average ranking of modes, because there is a different basket of configurations that determine the outcome," Chester told AFP in a phone interview.

"There's no overall solution that's the same all the time."

342 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:17:40am

re: #333 Occasional Reader

IIRC, the idea is that once anyone turns it on an connects to the network, ZAP, info wiped.

Nice. Best feature yet.

Dish TV did the same thing a while back to zap illegal cards.

343 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:17:46am

Oh, to have enough money for an iPhone....although an iPod Touch might be enough to get me through.

344 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:17:48am

re: #238 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

4 Palestinians with explosives-laden horses killed

Will the horses get 72 fillies in Paradise?

345 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:18:36am

re: #288 Ben Hur

The 20 Most Inappropriately Hilarious Yahoo! Answers Questions

*Language Warning*

I have no trouble believing the question about the Russian invasion of Georgia is genuine.

346 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:18:59am

How about an iPhone app that when you push a button it will immediately disable any other cell phone within 100ft?

I really want that.

(works really well on roadside IEDs as well)

347 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:19:01am

re: #344 Cygnus

Will the horses get 72 fillies in Paradise?

Maybe 72 geldings?

348 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:19:17am

Ah, but will Obamacare pay for pushing lab results to an iPhone? Almost assuredly not.

349 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:19:26am

re: #322 Cygnus

Would it play music?

That can be arranged. You can set sounds for certain keys and combination's.

350 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:19:42am

Oh, nice monitor, though. Impressive.

351 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:20:07am

re: #252 gmsc

“let’s talk about what’s next” – iPhone OS 3.0

This is what I've been waiting for!

I'll have to switch to AT&T to get one and my Verizon contract isn't up until next April. Arrrrghhhhh!

352 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:20:18am

re: #344 Cygnus

Will the horses get 72 fillies in Paradise?

Allah: "Ooohhh Sooorrry there Mohamed. Looks like there has been a little mix-up. It seems that Mr. Eid got your virgins (you don't want them now) and all we have left are his 72 Fillies. . . "

353 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:20:26am

re: #206 Charles

Cool! Snow Leopard upgrade only $29.

Charles -

Looks like Windows 7 upgrade to VISTA will be $49 at the Home Premium level when it comes out in October. Let the OS fun begin!

-S-

354 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:20:49am

I think of all the features, "push notification" can be the biggest. The iPhone can be like a personal assistant, living and breathing, telling you in real time what needs to be known.

355 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:21:01am

re: #349 jcm

That can be arranged. You can set sounds for certain keys and combination's.

Actually, I was thinking of a 'Dvorak' keyboard as in Dvorak, the composer.

356 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:21:05am

re: #343 vxbush

Oh, to have enough money for an iPhone....although an iPod Touch might be enough to get me through.

Wrong network for me :( ........... or I would.

357 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:21:27am

re: #346 Racer X

How about an iPhone app that when you push a button it will immediately disable any other cell phone within 100ft?

I really want that.

(works really well on roadside IEDs as well)

That would be really useful. Maybe the tool that bought a device that turns off Fox News on any television in public could hook you up.

358 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:21:36am

re: #337 Charles

Sure did. That's an awesome deal for devs.

You mean dev-iated PreVerts?

359 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:21:55am

Mark Wilson:
“The medical community is flocking to the iPhone.”


Nice.

360 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:22:08am
361 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:22:10am

I feel so left out of this discussion.

Can we talk about boobs?

(other than the fact I are on!)

362 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:22:26am

re: #331 Occasional Reader

I downdinged you, just to be an arrogant, Mac-using elitist SOB. Ha!

However, being arrogant only in a very fickle way, I then updinged you.

363 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:22:40am

re: #344 Cygnus

Will the horses get 72 fillies in Paradise?

Interesting that the horse that the Prophet leaped into Heaven on was named, al Barak.

364 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:23:05am

re: #362 Occasional Reader

However, being arrogant only in a very fickle way, I then updinged you.

Senator Kerry ,, is that you?

365 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:23:14am

Hmmm.....bibliographic postings?

366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:23:35am

Quick appointment. BBIB!

367 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:23:36am

re: #354 zombie

I think of all the features, "push notification" can be the biggest. The iPhone can be like a personal assistant, living and breathing, telling you in real time what needs to be known.

Will it wear skimpy outfits and give me backrubs?

368 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:23:39am

Funeral held for GI shot at recruiting center
By Jon Gambrell - The Associated Press
Posted : Monday Jun 8, 2009 12:15:29 EDT
NORTH LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — As a family with a legacy of military service prepared to bury a soldier killed outside a Little Rock recruiting center, Gov. Mike Beebe expressed shock that someone would target the American military so far from the battlefield.

“As bad as it is, people understand when a soldier is killed in combat in a war zone like Iraq or Afghanistan,” Beebe said outside the Harlan Park Baptist Church, where the family of Pvt. William Long gathered for his funeral.

“It’s a little different — shock I guess is the best way to say it — when one is killed right here at home; targeted because he had a uniform on,” Beebe said.

Long, from Conway, was killed June 1 outside the Army-Navy Career Center in west Little Rock where he had volunteered to tell others about his military experience. A Muslim convert once imprisoned in Yemen has pleaded not guilty to capital murder in Long’s death. He allegedly told police he targeted Army personnel “because of what they had done to Muslims in the past.”

A crowd of about 200 packed the church; an American flag was draped over Long’s open coffin, which sat at the front of a foyer. A long line of motorcycle riders, each carrying American flags, parked in front of the church while uniformed military personnel milled around the parking lot before the service.

Long’s father, Daris, dressed in a blue blazer with military medals attached to a breast pocket. He wore an American flag tie and a red Marine Corps baseball cap.

According to the service program, the brief service conducted by pastor Johnny Harrington would include a woman singing “This is My Country” and the presentation of an Army commendation medal to Long’s family.

Pall bearers were from the Arkansas National Guard honor unit.

Beebe said prior to the service that Long’s family was “devastated but obviously very proud of their son.”

Long was to be buried at the Arkansas State Veterans Cemetery in North Little Rock, next to World War II veteran Matthew Leon Summerville. Tombstones in the cemetery include the various conflicts in which a veteran served — World War II, Vietnam, Korea, for example. Long’s family will be allowed to select what to list on his tombstone.

Prior to the burial, practice fire could he heard from the nearby Camp Robinson.

Police arrested Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, 23, of Little Rock, shortly after the shooting at the recruiting center and charged him in Long’s death and with 16 counts of committing a terroristic act by shooting a rifle in a crowded place.

Pvt. Quinton I. Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville was also injured in the attack.

369 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:23:44am

Ah, now when did the textbook deal get leaked so Amazon was able to push their deal through first?

370 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:24:05am

re: #366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Quick appointment. BBIB!

don't forget to flush

371 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:24:10am
372 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:24:14am

I thought the TomTom was the worst of the GPSes. Am I wrong?

373 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:24:52am

re: #342 zombie

Nice. Best feature yet.

Dish TV did the same thing a while back to zap illegal cards.

And I think they (iPhone) are trailing Blackberry on this one, by a couple of years, if I'm not mistaken.

374 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #372 vxbush

I thought the TomTom was the worst of the GPSes. Am I wrong?

I hate it's search functionality.

375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:25:34am

re: #372 vxbush

Saw an article the other day that gave it a decent rating.

Garmin Nuvi... from my cold dead fingers.
(Also have a Magellan Roadmate that I like okay.)

376 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:25:46am
377 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:26:11am

re: #372 vxbush

I thought the TomTom was the worst of the GPSes. Am I wrong?

When I got mine, the guy at the store told me that the Magellan was the one to stay away from.

I got a Garmin, but my sis-in-law has the tom-tom, and they are very similar, and very easy to use.

378 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:26:17am

re: #372 vxbush

I thought the TomTom was the worst of the GPSes. Am I wrong?

No clue. My sister has one (joint Christmas gift from Yours Truly and our parents) and loves it.

379 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:26:52am

re: #356 Thanos

Wrong network for me :( ........... or I would.

If you can live without an iPhone or wait until they make one that will work on Verizon... do so. I don't recommend AT&T wireless to anyone. The only thing keeping me there now is the few remaining months on my last contract and the rollover minutes. This is also a big negative for me about getting an iPhone.

AT&Ts actual service is ok (aside from the infuriating GSM chatter over any audio equipment) but their data plan seems to be highway robbery and their customer service is atrocious.

380 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:27:25am

re: #379 ArchangelMichael

If you can live without an iPhone or wait until they make one that will work on Verizon... do so. I don't recommend AT&T wireless to anyone. The only thing keeping me there now is the few remaining months on my last contract and the rollover minutes. This is also a big negative for me about getting an iPhone.

AT&Ts actual service is ok (aside from the infuriating GSM chatter over any audio equipment) but their data plan seems to be highway robbery and their customer service is atrocious.

Can I just say, I love Skype? :D

381 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:27:29am

re: #130 realwest

Um, what? What do you mean "remap a physical keyboard"?

Well, I have my Windows XP preferences set up so that by hitting ALT and SHIFT at the same time, I can "remap" the physical keyboard for inputting Cyrillic letters instead of Latin ones. Thus, when I hit the physical keys r k f d b f n e h f, what appears onscreen are the Cyrillic letters к л а в и а т у р а (klaviatura, the Russian word for "keyboard," whether of a piano, typewriter, or computer).

382 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:27:36am

re: #377 reine.de.tout

When I got mine, the guy at the store told me that the Magellan was the one to stay away from.

I got a Garmin, but my sis-in-law has the tom-tom, and they are very similar, and very easy to use.

I've used Magellans and Nuvis. Unless some major improvement has been made to the Magellans, they should absolutely avoided. Tech support is much better with Garmin too. Magellan outsourced theirs to India, and it's now absolutely useless.

383 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:27:46am

I am holding out on getting a GPS, assuming that I will, in the near future, be able to have all or almost all of that functionality in an iPhone GPS app.

I want it all, in one package.

(Now, they just need to work on the iPhone Kimber app, and I'll be all set.)

384 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:28:06am

In Iraq, Colbert shaves head, declares victory

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

“It must be nice here in Iraq because I understand some of you keep coming back again and again,” he said during the taping of the first show on Sunday. “You’ve earned so many frequent flyer miles, you’ve earned a free ticket to Afghanistan.”

Both his character Colbert (silent “t”) and the real Colbert (pronounced “t”), a Catholic family man, are ardent supporters of the troops. He has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for the Yellow Ribbon Fund (a charity that assists injured service members and their families), and he’s a board member of DonorsChoose.org, which is raising money for the education of children of parents in the military.

385 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:28:24am

re: #379 ArchangelMichael

If you can live without an iPhone or wait until they make one that will work on Verizon... do so. I don't recommend AT&T wireless to anyone. The only thing keeping me there now is the few remaining months on my last contract and the rollover minutes. This is also a big negative for me about getting an iPhone.

AT&Ts actual service is ok (aside from the infuriating GSM chatter over any audio equipment) but their data plan seems to be highway robbery and their customer service is atrocious.

Many people who don't care for AT&T have just been getting the iPod Touch and using Skype.

386 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:28:29am

re: #383 Occasional Reader

I am holding out on getting a GPS, assuming that I will, in the near future, be able to have all or almost all of that functionality in an iPhone GPS app.

I want it all, in one package.

(Now, they just need to work on the iPhone Kimber app, and I'll be all set.)

Same here. I want one device to do it all. We're almost there.

387 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:28:33am
388 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:28:50am

re: #385 gmsc

Many people who don't care for AT&T have just been getting the iPod Touch and using Skype.

I'm thinking of going that route.

389 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:30:00am

Trying the same thing again and again, and expecting different results

ALL BUSINESS: Bond-market rout lifts mortgage cost
Jun 6, 8:39 AM (ET)
By RACHEL BECK

NEW YORK (AP) - The Federal Reserve announced a $1.2 trillion plan three months ago designed to push down mortgage rates and breathe life into the housing market.

But this and other big government spending programs are turning out to have the opposite effect. Rates for mortgages and U.S. Treasury debt are now marching higher as nervous bond investors fret about a resurgence of inflation.

That's the Catch-22 threatening to make an awful housing market potentially worse and keep the economy stuck in a funk. Kick-starting the economy requires higher spending, but rising rates mean fewer Americans will be able to refinance their home loans. And some potential buyers will be shut out of the market by higher monthly payments they won't be able to afford.

To understand how this is all connected, you have to think like a bond trader. Inflation is their enemy because it means the purchasing power of the dollars they receive when bonds eventually are paid off will be diminished. The only question is by how much.

390 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:30:04am

re: #385 gmsc

Many people who don't care for AT&T have just been getting the iPod Touch and using Skype.

How does that work without GPRS service. There isn't wifi "everywhere" yet.

391 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:30:07am

re: #379 ArchangelMichael

If you can live without an iPhone or wait until they make one that will work on Verizon... do so. I don't recommend AT&T wireless to anyone. The only thing keeping me there now is the few remaining months on my last contract and the rollover minutes. This is also a big negative for me about getting an iPhone.

AT&Ts actual service is ok (aside from the infuriating GSM chatter over any audio equipment) but their data plan seems to be highway robbery and their customer service is atrocious.

I don't use any of those, I'm on the best network. The only one that has some real 4G areas out in production. (Sprint/Clearwire)

392 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:30:11am

A recent study found that only about 12% of iPhone users use the phone capabilities on a regular basis, anyway.

393 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:30:35am

re: #382 Last Mohican

I've used Magellans and Nuvis. Unless some major improvement has been made to the Magellans, they should absolutely avoided. Tech support is much better with Garmin too. Magellan outsourced theirs to India, and it's now absolutely useless.

That's what the guy told me.
I love my garmin.

394 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:30:49am

re: #390 ArchangelMichael

How does that work without GPRS service. There isn't wifi "everywhere" yet.

It's not perfect, but for people in bigger cities, it's a workable solution.

395 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:31:17am

Okay, so: Garmin good, Magellan, bad. Got it. Thanks, everyone!

396 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:31:52am

So does PASCO imitate the functionality of what HP has done with sensors for ages?

397 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:31:58am

re: #381 Throbert McGee

Well, I have my Windows XP preferences set up so that by hitting ALT and SHIFT at the same time, I can "remap" the physical keyboard for inputting Cyrillic letters instead of Latin ones. Thus, when I hit the physical keys r k f d b f n e h f, what appears onscreen are the Cyrillic letters к л а в и а т у р а (klaviatura, the Russian word for "keyboard," whether of a piano, typewriter, or computer).

I love keyboard remapping. I use it for shortcut keystroke thingies.

It's also quite funny to leave the keyboard remapped if someone else is going to use the computer. The confusion is hilarious!

398 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:32:27am
399 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:32:41am

re: #395 vxbush

Okay, so: Garmin good, Magellan, bad. Got it. Thanks, everyone!

Yup, Garmin good, Magellan bad, and we don't seem to know about TomTom.

400 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:33:29am

I just got a Garmin. It's really nice, but there are very few choices for the voice. The one it has now sounds rather naggy.

401 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:34:38am

re: #385 gmsc

Many people who don't care for AT&T have just been getting the iPod Touch and using Skype.

re: #388 vxbush

I'm thinking of going that route.

Or do what I did -- PWN the phone and you can use ANY carrier, or do pre-paid pay-by-the-minute (which is what I do), and have no plan whatsoever.

402 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:34:41am

re: #400 Cygnus

I just got a Garmin. It's really nice, but there are very few choices for the voice. The one it has now sounds rather naggy.

you moron. You didn;t get a Garmin. Look in the passenger seat. It;s my WIFE !

/////

403 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:35:16am

Enough with the demos!

When can I get OS 3.0? What are the new models of iPhone/iPod Touch? What's the price? When are they available?

404 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:35:55am

re: #386 vxbush

Same here. I want one device to do it all. We're almost there.

We may not have the Jetsons flying cars, but some aspects of living in "the future" are kind of cool.

Speaking of which, I finally got around to picking up William Gibson's seminal cyberpunk novel Neuromancer. Published in 1984, set in... well, it never quite says (that I've seen so far, about halfway through the book), but it seems to be set perhaps in the 2025-2035 range. In many respects, Gibson foresaw trends that we already see around us: Cyberspace, hackers, etc. And he looks ahead to things that appear quite likely; humans with technology-hybrid implants, artificial intelligence constructs that are wholly autonomous.

But one funny omission; nobody has a cellphone. The characters keep having to find wall phones to make calls. I say "funny omission", because by 1984 the development of cellphones should have been forseeable by a thoughtful futurist.

405 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:35:55am

re: #397 zombie

I love keyboard remapping. I use it for shortcut keystroke thingies.

It's also quite funny to leave the keyboard remapped if someone else is going to use the computer. The confusion is hilarious!

We used to make screen shots of a users desk top, set it as the desktop then move all the icons off screen and watch them flailing since they couldn't click on anything anymore.

406 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:36:03am

re: #401 zombie

Or do what I did -- PWN the phone and you can use ANY carrier, or do pre-paid pay-by-the-minute (which is what I do), and have no plan whatsoever.

Or do what I do – avoid cell phones altogether.

407 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:36:06am

My car has builtin GPS that works great, built in blue tooth, built in USB, etc.

408 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:36:12am

re: #401 zombie

Or do what I did -- PWN the phone and you can use ANY carrier, or do pre-paid pay-by-the-minute (which is what I do), and have no plan whatsoever.

much like the Obama handling of Iran and NorK

409 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:36:42am

21:09 Jordan: Lebanon elections invite pride of democracy in the brotherly country

Hum. I wonder if anyone in Jordan recognizes that it is run by a tin horn Monarch? Democracy? More like the golden sperm club?

410 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:37:05am

re: #400 Cygnus

I just got a Garmin. It's really nice, but there are very few choices for the voice. The one it has now sounds rather naggy.

A friend of mine suggested a Marine DI voice.

411 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:37:36am

re: #410 Dianna

A friend of mine suggested a Marine DI voice.

And make you pee in your pants at every turn.....I don't think so, Tim.

412 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:38:07am

re: #409 Nevergiveup

21:09 Jordan: Lebanon elections invite pride of democracy in the brotherly country

Hum. I wonder if anyone in Jordan recognizes that it is run by a tin horn Monarch? Democracy? More like the golden sperm club?

Ewokistan.

413 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:38:11am

OK, I gotta run, no time for iPhone mania!~

414 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:38:11am

re: #411 vxbush

And make you pee in your pants at every turn.....I don't think so, Tim.

Mr Al Borland ,, is that you ?

415 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:38:14am

re: #400 Cygnus

I just got a Garmin. It's really nice, but there are very few choices for the voice. The one it has now sounds rather naggy.

I want the Adriana Lima voice option.

416 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:39:04am

re: #415 Occasional Reader

I want the Adriana Lima voice option.


You can have her voice, I'll take the rest of her

417 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:39:05am

re: #400 Cygnus

I just got a Garmin. It's really nice, but there are very few choices for the voice. The one it has now sounds rather naggy.

You think? I like "American English (Jack)" with TTS capability.

418 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:39:25am

Finish the guitar song and get off the frikkin' stage! I'm here for the product updates and announcements!

419 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:39:44am

re: #410 Dianna

A friend of mine suggested a Marine DI voice.

Compromise: Adriana Lima as Marine DI.

(hmm, kinky)

420 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:39:54am

re: #418 gmsc

Finish the guitar song and get off the frikkin' stage! I'm here for the product updates and announcements!

Ditto. Just push these into commercials. That will do more good.

421 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:39:59am

re: #418 gmsc

Finish the guitar song and get off the frikkin' stage! I'm here for the product updates and announcements!

ANNOUNCEMENT:

"For my next song ,,,,,,,,,"

422 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:41:13am

Ouch, a communication problem between the phone and the cable. I’m sure Scott Forstall wants them to hurry up and get off the stage so the next guys can come on.

Too bad, off the stage. Get LOST.

423 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:41:51am

re: #417 Last Mohican

You think? I like "American English (Jack)" with TTS capability.

My son likes the British female voice.

424 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:41:58am

re: #419 Occasional Reader

Compromise: Adriana Lima as Marine DI.

(hmm, kinky)

"Oh! Oh! Maggot! You missed the turn! Pull over! Drop and give me twenty while I recalculate!"

425 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:42:21am

10 to 1, Steve Jobs comes out and says, "Oh, just one more thing . . . "

426 Gang of One  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:42:28am

Could not read through all the comments ... hopefully I am not repeating this request.
I want to buy a laptop or notebook and I am leaning toward a Mac. I am not happy with anything Windows -- to many registry issues, trojans, malware, etc. I'll have to do a lot of graphics and media work for the upcoming school-year, and one teacher I work with uses some Mac book and he swears by it. Any suggestions?

427 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:42:33am

re: #425 gmsc

10 to 1, Steve Jobs comes out and says, "Oh, just one more thing . . . "

Bingo.

428 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:42:55am

re: #424 Dianna

"Oh! Oh! Maggot! You missed the turn! Pull over! Drop and give me twenty while I recalculate!"

As a Gunny, she'd win my Hart, man.

429 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:44:15am

re: #425 gmsc

10 to 1, Steve Jobs comes out and says, "Oh, just one more thing . . . "

Via hologram.

430 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:44:27am

iPhone 3.0 software released June 17th.

431 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:44:39am

No server discussion? No iTV discussion? Hmmm..

432 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:44:42am

re: #426 Gang of One

Could not read through all the comments ... hopefully I am not repeating this request.
I want to buy a laptop or notebook and I am leaning toward a Mac. I am not happy with anything Windows -- to many registry issues, trojans, malware, etc. I'll have to do a lot of graphics and media work for the upcoming school-year, and one teacher I work with uses some Mac book and he swears by it. Any suggestions?

Yeah, you're in luck. Apple seems to be introducing lots of new laptops and lowering the prices. We're all bumming because the new operating system (Snow Leopard) won't be released until September, but they're going to offer it as an upgrade for only $29.

433 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:44:52am

re: #430 Charles

iPhone 3.0 software released June 17th.

Dev seed out today

434 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:45:15am

Phil Schiller is on stage. “To call the iPhone 3G a hit would be an understatement.” Does this mean a new iPhone?

435 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:45:18am

New iPhone coming?

436 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:45:26am

re: #389 FurryOldGuyJeans

Trying the same thing again and again, and expecting different results

ALL BUSINESS: Bond-market rout lifts mortgage cost
Jun 6, 8:39 AM (ET)
By RACHEL BECK

Kick-starting the economy requires higher spending, but rising rates mean fewer Americans will be able to refinance their home loans.

So, what we're all hoping for is a return to the unsupportable spending based on a real estate bubble that got us into this mess in the first place? Color me cynical, but this doesn't sound like a solution to me.

How about a return to living within our means, socking money away in savings for large purchases and unexpected catastrophes, frugal borrowing for necessary but otherwise unaffordable items, and paying off the money we borrow instead of endlessly refinancing ever-increasing debt?

Instead of treating people who live that way like they've got "Sucker!" stamped on their foreheads, and bilking them out of their slowly accumulated wealth.

437 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:46:26am

re: #415 Occasional Reader

I want the Adriana Lima voice option.

You mean she can talk?

438 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:48:13am

iPhone 3GS.

439 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:48:33am

re: #438 Charles

iPhone 3GS.

I wonder if the technology will trickle down to the Touch.

440 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:49:14am

re: #372 vxbush

I thought the TomTom was the worst of the GPSes. Am I wrong?

I don't know; only tried a Magellan. I need to update its firmware and see if it is still as screwy. So far, I haven't used it to go someplace I didn't already know.
It has me get off on an exit road (2 exits lead off from it) and then get back on the highway without taking either exit. I know I want the 2nd exit and take it anyway, which causes it to recalculate. Then, at the next exit, it tells me to keep left (because I don't want to be in the right exit only lane), but if I really did keep left, it would give me 500 ft warning to get across 5 lanes to the next exit, which is the one I want. (For those familiar, this is in Mass, Rt. 128 south to Rt. 3 north in Burlington, and then Rt. 3 North to 495 South in Lowell.)
It also has hung once.
And I haven't yet activated the traffic function, so it isn't changing its route because of traffic.

441 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:49:32am

re: #437 SixDegrees

You mean she can talk?

Hell, yeah. And there's nothing sexier than a Brazilian accent.

442 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:50:00am

re: #438 Charles

iPhone 3GS.

The "S" stands for... sexier?

443 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:52:16am

re: #382 Last Mohican

I've used Magellans and Nuvis. Unless some major improvement has been made to the Magellans, they should absolutely avoided. Tech support is much better with Garmin too. Magellan outsourced theirs to India, and it's now absolutely useless.

I was looking over the reviews of Magellans at Amazon, and over their past few months, the support reviews went from no good to where they were useful and solved problems. Either they insourced again or they trained their Indian workers.

444 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:52:45am

Oooh. 3MP digital camera with movie mode. Tap the screen to set focus area. Nice. Monkey like.

445 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:53:10am

re: #444 Charles

Oooh. 3MP digital camera with movie mode. Tap the screen to set focus area. Nice. Monkey like.

You're not the only one.

446 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:53:47am

re: #441 Occasional Reader

Hell, yeah. And there's nothing sexier than a Brazilian accent.

Guess I'll have to watch with the "Mute" turned off.

447 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:53:59am

So why doesn't the iPod Touch have a camera? Hm?

448 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:54:33am

re: #439 vxbush

I wonder if the technology will trickle down to the Touch.

Probably not this time around.

449 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:54:33am

Built in voice control.

450 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:54:43am

How useful is voice control on a phone, really?

451 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:55:15am

For more than dialing phone numbers too.

452 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:55:51am

re: #447 vxbush

So why doesn't the iPod Touch have a camera? Hm?

To punish you for not getting the iPhone.

453 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:56:00am

The compass is real!

454 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:56:21am

re: #449 Charles

Built in voice control.

"please whack the troll"
-
*WHACK*

455 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:56:22am

re: #453 gmsc

The compass is real!

That makes great sense. Should have been in there earlier.

456 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:56:32am

re: #452 Occasional Reader

To punish you for not getting the iPhone.

Pity me, pity me.

457 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:56:44am

re: #451 Charles

For more than dialing phone numbers too.

I find "Vlingo" to already be an extremely good voice control app, both for phone, web searches, and map searches. I wonder how the built-in one will improve on it.

458 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:00:20pm

re: #288 Ben Hur

The 20 Most Inappropriately Hilarious Yahoo! Answers Questions

*Language Warning*

LOL at the last one:

"My 17 year old son has been very secretive lately, and refusing to go to church with the family. Yesterday when I was cleaning his room, I found a magazine with naked men in it. Obviously it must've been left there by a secret girlfriend that he's been sneaking into his bedroom, and I'm concerned that they're having intercourse and he might get her pregnant. What should I do?"

(Although the question is obviously a fake, I'd be willing to bet that at least a few teenage gay dudes have actually tried the "it's my GIRLFRIEND'S copy of Playgirl" excuse.)

459 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:00:58pm

There it is:

16GB - $199

32GB - $299

460 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:01:37pm

iPhone 3G price lowered to $99 for 8GB.

461 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:02:07pm

June 19th. I wonder if they're going to have lines at the stores for weeks again.

462 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:04:37pm

re: #453 gmsc

The compass is real!

And it was invented by Muslims.

463 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:05:00pm

Oh, man. A $99 iPhone? But the monthly fees.......has the 3G model been unlocked?

464 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:05:54pm

re: #459 Charles

There it is:

16GB - $199

32GB - $299

Cool. Good thing they had sucker "early adapters" to subsidize the 1st generation iPhone at an inflated price. (Pounding head on desk)

465 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:06:01pm

What? No trade-in program for the iPhone 3G?

/

466 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:06:20pm

re: #465 Charles

What? No trade-in program for the iPhone 3G?

/

You can trade it to me!

467 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:08:48pm

Zombie:
Might be fun to hit this:

B. Lam:

Hey, if you’re in town, come meet us at Hotel Utah (It’s a bar) at 5:30 today. We’ll be there with people from Ars, Engadget, Boingboing and Wired (And special handsome guest Chris Hardwick.)

468 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:09:20pm

re: #465 Charles

What? No trade-in program for the iPhone 3G?

/

You can sell it on Ebay. For $98.99.

469 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:15:27pm

Bah! Bought an 8-gig for $299 last year.

Bah!

470 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:18:32pm

re: #461 Charles

June 19th. I wonder if they're going to have lines at the stores for weeks again.

Coincidentally, I was rather startled to notice this morning that my wall calendar -- from the Titan Missile Museum in Arizona -- actually observes "Juneteenth"! (According to wikipedia, there are now 31 states that recognize Juneteenth as a semi-holiday, but AZ isn't one of them.)

471 MichaelJ  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:18:33pm

Please tell me the AT&T exclusivity will end soon!

472 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:18:36pm

re: #258 Son of the Black Dog

Yep. Would I do it again? No thanks. Haskell? Sure thing.

473 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:21:30pm

re: #460 Charles

Heck, at this rate, if I wait another year, the iPhone will be free!

474 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:33:39pm

re: #473 Kenneth

Heck, at this rate, if I wait another year, the iPhone will be free!

It's somewhat surprising it isn't yet. Apple is making money hand over fist through the tens of millions of app downloads, connection fees, data fees and other service payments the iPhone gobbles up like no other phone. It's hard to see that their offering of the latest shiny thing is a viable business model; I'd think they'll soon be in the same boat as other phone providers, basically giving away the hardware (or close to it) in order to rack up even more service charges

Early adopters seem willing to fork over, though. For the moment, they're happy to support Apples, and I'm sure Apple is happy to take their money.

475 fizzlogic  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:44:27pm

I'm glad Safari's 4.0 tabs are back to 3.0 styling. And I'm glad to see a highlighted progress bar. I was getting used to the 4.0 beta but those two changes always bugged me.

476 Ezekiel2517  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:51:54pm
The 8MB iPhone 3G price has been lowered to $99.

8MB or 8GB?

477 butterick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:42:55pm

OSX 2010: ceiling cat
OSX 2011: snagglepuss
OSX 2012: apocalyptic Mayan jaguar spirit

478 MPH  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:29:28pm

re: #280 vxbush

Tethering, good.

Not if you have AT&T...

[Link: www.wired.com...]

They want to charge you $30/month for tethering.

Judging from the number of “boos” in the audience, the biggest disappointment at Apple’s Worldwide Developers Conference on Monday was related to AT&T’s inadequate support for the iPhone.

Specifically, iPhone owners on the AT&T network will not be able to use multimedia messaging immediately when the new iPhone 3.0 operating system lands June 17. Also, Apple did not list AT&T among the carriers who will be supporting internet-tethering service for the iPhone.

AT&T would not disclose why it could not immediately support MMS or tethering. However, an AT&T spokesman told Wired.com the reason was unrelated to AT&T’s 3G network.

“We plan to offer a tethering plan, but don’t have an announcement to make at this time,” the spokesman said. “We absolutely will offer MMS on iPhone 3G S and iPhone 3G with 3.0 upgrades in late summer once we complete some system upgrades that will ensure our customers have the best experience with MMS. These upgrades are unrelated to our 3G network.”


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