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Move on up
towards your destination
Though you may find
from time to time
Complications
— Curtis Mayfield, ‘Move On Up’
1208 comments
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:26:34pm |
Complications are just life's way of keeping us on our toes.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:27:22pm |
re: #1 Sharmuta
Complications are just life's way of keeping us on our toes.
Or life's way of knocking us on our backsides.
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:27:27pm |
You know you've grown up when you are glad to see a police car drive down your street.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:27:33pm |
He was very popular in the early '70's
Superfly.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:28:05pm |
An OPEN open, or a Private open, that is the question!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:28:57pm |
re: #4 MrPaulRevere
You know you've grown up when you are glad to see a police car drive down your street.
And are gratefull to have a neighbor who is a policeperson!
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:31:23pm |
Good to see Iranians taking to the streets en masse chanting 'Death to-' besides something that ends with 'America' or 'Israel'
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freetoken Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:31:55pm |
This is a "complication" on the way to a destination:
One of Japan's most famous professional wrestlers died of a heart attack after he lands on the mat, having been thrown down (a backdrop).
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JacksonTn Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:33:57pm |
I posted this the other day .... but it seems appropriate ... so .... Show Me Something Mister ... not to be confused with "Throw Me Something Mister" ...
/yeah ... just another New Orleans reference ... but hey ... I love it ...
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:35:09pm |
Freddies dead. (My dad told me about this one. :))
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:37:21pm |
Charles treats us to the UTMOSt of Lizard fashions!
Say "thank you" with an Amazon purchase, linked through LGF!
Or donate...
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:38:20pm |
re: #9 Fenway_Nation
Good to see Iranians taking to the streets en masse chanting 'Death to-' besides something that ends with 'America' or 'Israel'
Isn't that the truth. The sad thing is that a group of parents were chanting "Obama Help Us". I'll bet he won't do a damn thing.
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gmsc Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:38:32pm |
The other night, I had to step out and complete part of a personal project.
It was an instructional video I was working on.
If you're interested, the video is below, and the download link I refer to in the video is here.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:38:51pm |
From the 'I hope there's a special place in hell for sick fucks like this' department.
I don't even hope this sick fuck gets help....I hope he gets an honest-to-goodness grown-up prison term and becomes somebody's ass-bitch for the duration.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:39:46pm |
Got this in an email, I have no clue if it's true or not, but it's pretty funny:
Actually Posted to Craig's List Personals...
To the Guy Who Tried to Mug Me in
Downtown San Francisco the night before last..
Date: 2009-06-09, 3:43 AM PSTI was the guy with the black Burberry jacket that you demanded I
Hand over, shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend.
You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and earrings.
I hope you somehow come across this message. I'd like to apologize.
I didn't expect you to crap in your pants when I drew my pistol afterYou took my jacket. Truth is, I was wearing the jacket for a reason
that
Evening, and it wasn't that cold outside.
You see, my girlfriend had
just bought me that Kimber Model 1911 .45 A CP pistol for my > birthday and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it that > evening.
Beautiful pistol, eh?
It's a very intimidating weapon when pointed at
Your head, isn't it? I know it probably wasn't a great deal of fun
walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge
Flopping about in your pants. I'm sure it was even worse since you
Also ended up leaving your shoes, cellphone, and wallet with me. I
couldn't have you calling up any of your buddies to come help you try
To mug us again.
I took the liberty of calling your mother, or "Momma"
as you had her listed in your cell, and explaining to her your
situation. I also bought myself and four other people in the gas
Station this morning a tank full of gas on your credit card. The guy
With the big motor home took 150 gallons and was extremely grateful!
I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guys over by Vinnie Van Go
Go's, along with all of the cash in your wallet.
I threw the wallet
in a fancy pink "pimp mobile" parked at the curb after I broke the
windshield and side window out and keyed the drivers side. I called a
bunch of phone sex numbers from your cellphone. They'll be on your
bill in case you'd like to know which ones.
Ma Bell just shut down
the line, and I've only had the phone for a little over a day now, so
I don't know what's going on with that. I hope they haven't
permanently cut off your service.
I could only get in two threatening
phone calls to the D A 's office and one to the FBI with it. The FBI guy
was really pissed and we had a long chat (I guess while he traced the
number).
I'd also like to apologize for not killing you and instead
making you walk back home humiliated. I'm hoping that you'll
reconsider your choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so
lucky..
- Alex
P.S. Remember this motto..... an armed society is a polite society!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:40:48pm |
re: #17 Fenway_Nation
I hope he is the perpetrator. He has certainly been "outed". He is a good looking kid, but the mind is one sick puppy. Very sad for him & his family, if it is true!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:41:22pm |
Just heard that the trains are going to be able to run again in the L.A. area via the LAPD scanner.
[Link: losangeles.ca.scanamerica.us...]
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:43:17pm |
"On August 13, 1990, Mayfield was paralyzed from the neck down after stage lighting equipment fell on him at an outdoor concert at Wingate Field in Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York." Talk about complications... "This tragedy set him back, but Mayfield forged ahead. He was unable to play guitar, but he wrote, sang and directed the recording of his last album, New World Order. Mayfield's vocals were painstakingly recorded, usually line-by-line while lying on his back." A real trooper, Mr. Mayfield was. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:44:20pm |
re: #17 Fenway_Nation
From the 'I hope there's a special place in hell for sick fucks like this' department.
I don't even hope this sick fuck gets help....I hope he gets an honest-to-goodness grown-up prison term and becomes somebody's ass-bitch for the duration.
Absolutely. I don't think he will stop with cats. What a sick fuck.
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Outrider Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:45:25pm |
re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth
Got this in an email, I have no clue if it's true or not, but it's pretty funny:
Who cares if it is true? It's funny as hell and I had a good laugh. ;-)>
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:45:53pm |
I have the Butterfinger bars. They are tasty. Yours is on the shelf, there. Enjoy!
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Wendya Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:46:02pm |
re: #17 Fenway_Nation
From the 'I hope there's a special place in hell for sick fucks like this' department.
I don't even hope this sick fuck gets help....I hope he gets an honest-to-goodness grown-up prison term and becomes somebody's ass-bitch for the duration.
I'm not sure you can help someone who does shit like that. They are fundamentally screwed up.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:46:03pm |
re: #24 Pvt Bin Jammin
That's my line of thinking, too.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:47:05pm |
I am waiting for the first private open (closed?) thread. ;)
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:47:12pm |
re: #28 Fenway_Nation
Have you ever watched that show Dexter?
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gmsc Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:49:36pm |
re: #17 Fenway_Nation
From the 'I hope there's a special place in hell for sick fucks like this' department.
I don't even hope this sick fuck gets help....I hope he gets an honest-to-goodness grown-up prison term and becomes somebody's ass-bitch for the duration.
He'll make himself sound tough in prison, as if he's in for 19 counts of murder.
However, when it gets around that all his victims have names like Fluffy, Whiskers, Miss Kitty, and so on, the tough act will end real quick.
Most prison guys will beat up on child molesters. At last, the child molesters will have someone they can beat up.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:50:17pm |
re: #17 Fenway_Nation
The warning signs of a potential, future serial killer.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:51:50pm |
re: #17 Fenway_Nation
From the 'I hope there's a special place in hell for sick fucks like this' department.
I don't even hope this sick fuck gets help....I hope he gets an honest-to-goodness grown-up prison term and becomes somebody's ass-bitch for the duration.
There is no help for a psychopath like that. All you can do is lock them up for as long as possible. The final line I disagreed with:
The Gleasons, having heard about the rash of cat killings, called the police who sent three detectives out to take photographs and collect Tommy's [their cat] body. They told their daughter that Tommy was killed by another animal.
"She doesn't need to know there are evil people like that in the world," Donna Gleason said. "It's hard enough for me to deal with."
Quite to the contrary ma'am: your daughter does need to know that evil like that exists. You should take your time introducing her to that fact but she needs to know.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:52:29pm |
re: #32 gmsc
He'll make himself sound tough in prison, as if he's in for 19 counts of murder.
He won't even have the chance. EVERYONE in GP knows your "jacket" before you even walk through the door. The folks in charge make sure of that.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:53:58pm |
He won't even have the chance. EVERYONE in GP knows your "jacket" before you even walk through the door. The folks in charge make sure of that.
I shan't be shedding a tear if the sick fuck gets molested, or worse.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:53:59pm |
re: #31 Fenway_Nation
The old episodes are on CBS sometimes but I think it is a Showtime series. Young kid whose mother was murdered is adopted by a cop, kid starts killing cats, etc. The dad figures it out and kinda convinces the kid that it's wrong. If he wants to do that sort of thing he can go after the serial killers. Anyway, Dexter is an adult in the show and works for the forensics folks, and yep, he's a serial killer going after the serial killers. Kinda creeps me out but it's a good show.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:54:59pm |
re: #34 Dark_Falcon
Yeah...but to be fair, I'd have a hard time telling any six year old their favorite kitty cat's last moments were spent in excruciating agony because some subhuman had a hard-on for making animals suffer.
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The Left Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:55:03pm |
re: #37 Pvt Bin Jammin
I love that show. The first two seasons are great and then it goes downhill, in my opinion.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:55:14pm |
re: Pvt Bin Jammin
The old episodes are on CBS sometimes but I think it is a Showtime series. Young kid whose mother was murdered is adopted by a cop, kid starts killing cats, etc. The dad figures it out and kinda convinces the kid that it's wrong. If he wants to do that sort of thing he can go after the serial killers. Anyway, Dexter is an adult in the show and works for the forensics folks, and yep, he's a serial killer going after the serial killers. Kinda creeps me out but it's a good show.
Just the premise is enough to turn me off. No way I will ever watch the show.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:56:19pm |
re: #39 iceweasel
I love that show. The first two seasons are great and then it goes downhill, in my opinion.
Too bad. I have only seen what CBS has had. Daughter has all the seasons on DVD if I want to borrow them, which I may.
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The Left Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:57:47pm |
re: #38 Fenway_Nation
Yeah...but to be fair, I'd have a hard time telling any six year old their favorite kitty cat's last moments were spent in excruciating agony because some subhuman had a hard-on for making animals suffer.
I wouldn't tell my kid the details. I might have to tell him or her that a bad man killed our cat, but no way in hell would I give them those details.
I'm so glad this bastard was caught; I have a friend in that neighbourhood who sent me an article about it a couple of weeks ago. The killings were unbelievably gruesome, the animals were often kept for a couple of days, and he would sometimes bring them back to their owners' yards and pose the bodies.
Sick doesn't even begin to describe this guy.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:58:26pm |
re: #40 FurryOldGuyJeans
Somehow it's good, though. I was totally freaked out the first time I saw it but kept on watching.
Of course I used to get the Alfred Hitchcock Magazine when I was in jr. high so I am probably twisted.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:59:00pm |
re: #36 FurryOldGuyJeans
Whether he is or not, it won't move me either way. But the fact that people in charge turn a blind eye to crimes committed under their watch, and write it off as "prison justice" is just wrong.
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The Left Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:59:09pm |
re: #41 Pvt Bin Jammin
Too bad. I have only seen what CBS has had. Daughter has all the seasons on DVD if I want to borrow them, which I may.
I think you should; they're really good. 4th season being filmed now, I think?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:59:58pm |
re: Pvt Bin Jammin
Somehow it's good, though. I was totally freaked out the first time I saw it but kept on watching.
Of course I used to get the Alfred Hitchcock Magazine when I was in jr. high so I am probably twisted.
It could be considered better than Shakespeare, and I still wouldn't watch it. I get enough flawed hero crap from real life.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:01:12am |
re: #38 Fenway_Nation
Yeah...but to be fair, I'd have a hard time telling any six year old their favorite kitty cat's last moments were spent in excruciating agony because some subhuman had a hard-on for making animals suffer.
Agreed. I'm not saying tell the kid what happened to the cat, but do prepare them for the reality of evil.
re: #37 Pvt Bin Jammin
The old episodes are on CBS sometimes but I think it is a Showtime series. Young kid whose mother was murdered is adopted by a cop, kid starts killing cats, etc. The dad figures it out and kinda convinces the kid that it's wrong. If he wants to do that sort of thing he can go after the serial killers. Anyway, Dexter is an adult in the show and works for the forensics folks, and yep, he's a serial killer going after the serial killers. Kinda creeps me out but it's a good show.
The individual (who I will not call either man or boy) is the kind of monster who makes me wish Dexter was real. I hope Charles won't come down on me for saying that this freak needs to be killed or permanently incarcerated. Otherwise, its only a matter of time before he kills a person.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:01:33am |
Good night, Lizards! I am off to weet dreams!
May your today be super & dream of a fabulous tomorrow!
'Night to all!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:01:35am |
re: #45 iceweasel
I just might do that. I have to admit, however, I kinda freaked out when a young mother I know named her baby Dexter. Eeew
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:02:14am |
re: Pvt Bin Jammin
I just might do that. I have to admit, however, I kinda freaked out when a young mother I know named her baby Dexter. Eeew
Could have been from the cartoon Dexter's Laboratory.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:03:40am |
re: #48 Dark_Falcon
Otherwise, its only a matter of time before he kills a person.
Especially if he gets to skate or gets just a slap on the wrist with this....
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:03:42am |
re: #48 Dark_Falcon
The individual (who I will not call either man or boy) is the kind of monster who makes me wish Dexter was real. I hope Charles won't come down on me for saying that this freak needs to be killed or permanently incarcerated. Otherwise, its only a matter of time before he kills a person.
That's what almost always happens. I helped my daughter study that kind of thing. The kid's going to do something worse, much worse, if he is ever let out.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:03:43am |
re: #49 Floral Giraffe
Good night, Lizards! I am off to weet dreams!
May your today be super & dream of a fabulous tomorrow!
'Night to all!
G'Nite, FG!
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MrPaulRevere Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:03:46am |
re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth
Absolutely. It's almost a mathematical certainty this guy will be involved in some felony in the future.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:03:51am |
Today in History, June 15th:
Highlights of this day in history: Alabama Gov. George Wallace shot on presidential campaign trail; Newly-founded Israel attacked by Arab neighbors; The U.S. Supreme Court breaks up Standard Oil.; Country singer June Carter Cash dies.
Other notable June 15th events include:
763 BC – Assyrians record a solar eclipse that will be used to fix the chronology of Mesopotamian history.
1215 – King John of England puts his seal to the Magna Carta.
1752 – Benjamin Franklin proves that lightning is electricity.
1775 – American Revolutionary War: George Washington is appointed commander-in-chief of the Continental Army.
1776 – Delaware Separation Day – Delaware votes to suspend government under the British Crown and separate officially from Pennsylvania.
1804 – New Hampshire approves the Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution, ratifying the document.
1836 – Arkansas is admitted as the 25th U.S. state.
1844 – Charles Goodyear receives a patent for vulcanization, a process to strengthen rubber.
1846 – The Oregon Treaty establishes the 49th parallel as the border between the United States and Canada, from the Rocky Mountains to the Strait of Juan de Fuca.
1916 – U.S. President Woodrow Wilson signs a bill incorporating the Boy Scouts of America, making them the only American youth organization with a federal charter.
1934 – The U.S.'s Great Smoky Mountains National Park is founded.
1992 – The United States Supreme Court rules in United States v. Álvarez-Machaín that it is permissible for the USA to forcibly extradite suspects in foreign countries and bring them to the USA for trial, without approval from those other countries.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:05:21am |
re: #38 Fenway_Nation
No one says you have to give them all the gruesome details, just the fact that their are evil people in the world and one of them killed your kitty. Be wary.
When I was a youngin' my mom made me watch a 20/20 type show about what happened to Adam Walsh. I guess she couldn't put into words the lesson she wanted me to learn.
It was scary, and it disturbed me for some time, but the message was driven home. As harsh as that lesson may have seemed, it served me well more than once in my youth.
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rain of lead Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:06:06am |
hey!,
if charles posts a private thread, will it be labeled private and to be private does it have to be posted in "spy" ?
sorry, missed the shakedown cruise.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:06:47am |
re: #51 FurryOldGuyJeans
Could have been from the cartoon Dexter's Laboratory.
You're giving me hope. LOL Much better.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:08:04am |
re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth
No one says you have to give them all the gruesome details, just the fact that their are evil people in the world and one of them killed your kitty. Be wary.
When I was a youngin' my mom made me watch a 20/20 type show about what happened to Adam Walsh. I guess she couldn't put into words the lesson she wanted me to learn.
It was scary, and it disturbed me for some time, but the message was driven home. As harsh as that lesson may have seemed, it served me well more than once in my youth.
Poor Adam Walsh. It was only a few months ago that they finally officially solved the case, too. Closed it, that is.
It's important for us all to know that there are evil people out there. Especially as kids.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:08:36am |
re: #59 rain of lead
hey!,
if charles posts a private thread, will it be labeled private and to be private does it have to be posted in "spy" ?sorry, missed the shakedown cruise.
At the top of the spy it will say private IIRC It's the spy feature for each individual thread. Not the main spy that shows all threads.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:09:12am |
re: #46 Racer X
Ha!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:09:56am |
re: #53 Pvt Bin Jammin
That's what almost always happens. I helped my daughter study that kind of thing. The kid's going to do something worse, much worse, if he is ever let out.
This is the sort of case where I'd favor civil commitment. If this guy ever gets released, he should be instead transferred to a metal hospital for life. He can't be cured, only warehoused or killed. In deference to the rules of the forum and the Rule of Law, I support the former option.
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rain of lead Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:09:58am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:11:13am |
re: #61 iceweasel
VERY IMPORTANT. This uncomfortable knowledge saved my hide more than once when I was young.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:11:15am |
re: #56 gmsc
The Magna Carta: The epochal document in Anglo-Saxon history. Thanks.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:11:59am |
I believe the dems craved the power so long ... they salivated for it ... they demeaned anything Bush for so long ... it is kinda like an addict getting off of the constant junkie itch ... I say put up or shut up ... it does not take forever to take a stand ... tell us how you really feel in regards to:
Israel
Iran
North Korea
ISLAMIC TERRORISTS
Sharia ..Finance (oh, yeah, that little US dollar thingy could get trickey) ....
Unions control ...
Hey 100 words or less should do nicely ... don't do a friggin poll ..
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:14:21am |
re: #61 iceweasel
Poor Adam Walsh. It was only a few months ago that they finally officially solved the case, too. Closed it, that is.
It's important for us all to know that there are evil people out there. Especially as kids.
Poor Adam Walsh, indeed., it still breaks my heart. Kids have to be told, their age and understanding kind of leads you on how to tell it. I'm glad we kept our daughter informed. She almost got grabbed one time when she was out with one of her young aunts.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:15:11am |
re: #64 Dark_Falcon
This is the sort of case where I'd favor civil commitment. If this guy ever gets released, he should be instead transferred to a metal hospital for life. He can't be cured, only warehoused or killed. In deference to the rules of the forum and the Rule of Law, I support the former option.
Yeah, as much as I'm all about civil liberties, there are certain sorts of crimes and certain kinds of people who can't be cured, and for whom the recidivism rate is so high...i'd rather see them involuntarily committed for life then set free.
Pedophilia is one such crime, also many other sex offenders. In truth we're not giving harsh enough sentences to begin with for those crimes. Many of them clearly pose a tremendous danger and should never get out.
Like Joseph Duncan a few years ago. Here you have a guy who had a history of being a violent sexual predator going all the way back to when he was 15-- and yet we just kept locking him up for a decade or so and then letting him out, and doing it all over again-- and look what he did in the end.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:15:21am |
re: #68 JacksonTn
I'm not a lady, but I'd like to throw FGM in that list. Such a disgusting practice, millions of times worse than smashing the Statue of David with a sledgehammer.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:16:26am |
re: #71 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm not a lady, but I'd like to throw FGM in that list. Such a disgusting practice, millions of times worse than smashing the Statue of David with a sledgehammer.
SB ... I don't know what FGM means... what is it ...
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:16:37am |
re: #69 Pvt Bin Jammin
Poor Adam Walsh, indeed., it still breaks my heart. Kids have to be told, their age and understanding kind of leads you on how to tell it. I'm glad we kept our daughter informed. She almost got grabbed one time when she was out with one of her young aunts.
God, how terrifying. I'm so glad your daughter was okay. I'm sure the teaching you gave her helped.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:17:22am |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:17:38am |
re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth
No one says you have to give them all the gruesome details, just the fact that their are evil people in the world and one of them killed your kitty. Be wary.
When I was a youngin' my mom made me watch a 20/20 type show about what happened to Adam Walsh. I guess she couldn't put into words the lesson she wanted me to learn.
It was scary, and it disturbed me for some time, but the message was driven home. As harsh as that lesson may have seemed, it served me well more than once in my youth.
Very well said. That's exactly the way to say it. If one's child was older, I'd recommend watching The Dark Knight with them. This animal killer is like The Joker: He destroys for the fun of it, just wanting to "watch the world burn." Stopping him may involve bending or breaking some rules and if you fail to stop him, innocents will die.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:18:16am |
re: #63 Slumbering Behemoth
Ha!
You left out "Chronic Pantlessness". A serious problem for those concerned about pants.
Pants!
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:18:19am |
re: #72 JacksonTn
I assume he means the practice of Female Genital Mutilation. When I've seen FGM that's what it's meant.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:19:37am |
re: #72 JacksonTn
SB ... I don't know what FGM means... what is it ...
Female Genital Mutilation. In some islamic cultures, they do unspeakable things to a young girl's privates to ensure that she derives little to no pleasure from sex.
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shiplord kirel Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:20:05am |
A while back, I mentioned ordering a 1/72nd scale Hasegawa model of an IDF B-17 Flying Fortress. This is going together nicely and I will post some pictures when it is finished.
Israel was the last country to use the B-17 in combat, during the 1956 war. The target was none other than Gaza. The model reflects the configuration and markings used at that time.
The IDF had acquired 4 B-17s during the 1948 war. The story of that acquisition reads like a lurid spy novel, since the planes were bought in the US in defiance of a US embargo and smuggled out of the country one step ahead of the FBI. One crew was in fact arrested by Portuguese authorities in the Azores and turned over to the Americans. One of the pilots on that mission received a posthumous pardon from President Bush during the final days of Mr. Bush's administration. The remaining 3 B-17s flew all the way to Czechoslovakia without proper instruments, radios, or maps. There they were hastily equipped with rudimentary armament, then flown on to Israel using a map torn from an encyclopedia for navigation. They bombed Cairo in broad daylight on the way.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:21:07am |
re: #73 iceweasel
God, how terrifying. I'm so glad your daughter was okay. I'm sure the teaching you gave her helped.
She's a pretty sharp cookie and was so back then as well. Her job is taking care of crime victims.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:22:49am |
re: #72 JacksonTn
SB ... I don't know what FGM means... what is it ...
Female Genital Mutilation. Sometimes wrongly called Female Circumcision.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:22:58am |
re: #77 iceweasel
I assume he means the practice of Female Genital Mutilation. When I've seen FGM that's what it's meant.
IW....I am not sure what he meant ... but I believe Obama could have said more about womens rights in Eqypt .... I know many will say he could not have pushed the envelope but I say ... well. why not ... he addressed the head scarf thing ... that is friggin minor in regards to Islamic trash towards women ... friggin pansy ... and I totally understand that the Islamic world does not corner the "market" on suppression of women ... but that was who he is giving a speech to at the time ...
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SixDegrees Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:24:17am |
re: #32 gmsc
He'll make himself sound tough in prison, as if he's in for 19 counts of murder.
However, when it gets around that all his victims have names like Fluffy, Whiskers, Miss Kitty, and so on, the tough act will end real quick.
Most prison guys will beat up on child molesters. At last, the child molesters will have someone they can beat up.
Although I share the general sentiment that prison's probably too good for this flotsam, and that given the opportunity he would probably move on to other victims, I doubt he'll see much jail time. The charges against him generally don't carry much of a sentence, especially if this is the chump's first run-in with the law. He'll probably wind up with a couple year's suspended sentence, with mandatory counseling at some ineffective state-run program. At least, that's what usually happens in cases like this.
I'd like to think this one will be different. But I'm in a cynical mood this morning.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:24:35am |
re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth
Female Genital Mutilation. In some islamic cultures, they do unspeakable things to a young girl's privates to ensure that she derives little to no pleasure from sex.
SB ... thanks for posting that .... I was just not use to the FGM ... but I am very very aware of the practice ...
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:26:09am |
re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth
Female Genital Mutilation. In some islamic cultures, they do unspeakable things to a young girl's privates to ensure that she derives little to no pleasure from sex.
Small point: it's not only practiced in islamic cultures, though it is in some. It's widely practiced all over Africa by people of all faiths.
In some cases there is a religious reason, in some cases it's cultural (they believe it will preserve a woman's virtue) and in some cases it's for bizarre "health" reasons. They think failing to do it leads to insanity or sickness.
It's a whole horrible mess.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:27:07am |
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:27:16am |
re: #83 SixDegrees
Flotsam? I think this sick fuck is jetsam. I hope.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:29:13am |
re: #83 SixDegrees
Although I share the general sentiment that prison's probably too good for this flotsam, and that given the opportunity he would probably move on to other victims, I doubt he'll see much jail time. The charges against him generally don't carry much of a sentence, especially if this is the chump's first run-in with the law. He'll probably wind up with a couple year's suspended sentence, with mandatory counseling at some ineffective state-run program. At least, that's what usually happens in cases like this.
I'd like to think this one will be different. But I'm in a cynical mood this morning.
I pray you're wrong. He should receive the maximum for each killing, with the sentences to run consecutively. He can't be cured, only incapacitated. If let free, he will kill a person, I certain of it. The sentence I propose would not be cruel but would be very unusual. It would be appealed, and much would depend on the ability of the judges hearing the appeal to make the right calll and keep this individual locked up.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:29:14am |
re: #87 BatGuano
Flotsam? I think this sick fuck is jetsam. I hope.
Hard to say whether this is human wreckage or something someone tossed overboard. Probably a little of both.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:29:27am |
re: #82 JacksonTn
IW....I am not sure what he meant ... but I believe Obama could have said more about womens rights in Eqypt .... I know many will say he could not have pushed the envelope but I say ... well. why not ... he addressed the head scarf thing ... that is friggin minor in regards to Islamic trash towards women ... friggin pansy ... and I totally understand that the Islamic world does not corner the "market" on suppression of women ... but that was who he is giving a speech to at the time ...
I would like to see a lot more done and said about the status of women in the Middle East. It's appalling.
Obama made a pretty damn weak statement in Cairo; he called against limiting women's education, and the justification he gave was that "countries where women are educated are more prosperous".
yeah, well-- I would have liked to see a justification more along the lines of Women are people and you're denying them human rights. Not "educate your women because it'll make you a richer country."
i understand why he gave the speech he gave, but that doesn't mean i have to be happy about it or like it very much.
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pat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:31:16am |
re: #85 iceweasel
It is also practiced by many Coptics, altho that seems to be rapidly diminishing. The extreme form is a harbinger of ancient Egypt, and it has infected much of Africa. Unfortunately it has increased dramatically in Islamic communities as the Whabbis try to lever Islam into a wprld wide cult of primitivism.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:31:38am |
re: #81 Dark_Falcon
Very wrongly so. And I've not heard any women's rights groups, or any politicians for that matter, address this.
If not for blogs, I would have no idea what FGM really was. The only time I've seen it even mentioned on t.v. was on the Tyra Banks talk show (sue me, I think she's hawt!).
As vapid and self-centered as I consider her to be, I do have to give her credit for addressing the subject on her show, interviewing a woman who suffered such disgusting barbarism as a young girl and giving her the opportunity to detail the horrible practice and share how it has had a negative impact on her entire life.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:32:29am |
re: #88 Dark_Falcon
I pray you're wrong. He should receive the maximum for each killing, with the sentences to run consecutively. He can't be cured, only incapacitated. If let free, he will kill a person, I certain of it. The sentence I propose would not be cruel but would be very unusual. It would be appealed, and much would depend on the ability of the judges hearing the appeal to make the right calll and keep this individual locked up.
I would generally agree, but I'm not hopeful that there will be such an outcome, based on past examples.
He apparently partially skinned some of his victims alive. I'm thinking a more Biblical punishment would be in order.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:33:05am |
re: #87 BatGuano
Flotsam? I think this sick fuck is jetsam. I hope.
Flotsam is wreckage floating on the surface on a body of water, jetsam is wreckage that has washed ashore. In times past in England the difference was important: Flotsam belonged to the Crown, while jetsam belonged to the owner of the land it washed up on.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:33:29am |
re: #85 iceweasel
Small point: it's not only practiced in islamic cultures, though it is in some. It's widely practiced all over Africa by people of all faiths.
I was unaware of that. How very sad.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:34:59am |
re: #94 SixDegrees
I would generally agree, but I'm not hopeful that there will be such an outcome, based on past examples.
He apparently partially skinned some of his victims alive. I'm thinking a more Biblical punishment would be in order.
No need to torture him. If the law allowed it, I would simply hang him and be done with it. It does not allow it, and so I favor imprisonment followed by civil commitment.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:35:48am |
re: #83 SixDegrees
Although I share the general sentiment that prison's probably too good for this flotsam, and that given the opportunity he would probably move on to other victims, I doubt he'll see much jail time. The charges against him generally don't carry much of a sentence, especially if this is the chump's first run-in with the law. He'll probably wind up with a couple year's suspended sentence, with mandatory counseling at some ineffective state-run program. At least, that's what usually happens in cases like this.
I'd like to think this one will be different. But I'm in a cynical mood this morning.
I don't know; they might try harder to lock him up for longer, if only because there were so many killings and there was a lot of neighbourhood outcry. The guy wasn't merely killing pets, as bad as that would be. What he was doing wasn't quick.
Someone there sent me this back in May-
(warning: more disturbing than the other article; you might not want to read it)
[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]
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shiplord kirel Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:37:33am |
Another early IDF model I want to get is Academy's 1/48th scale Avia S-199, the miserable post-war Czech version of the German ME-109.
The Czechs had put this into production with tooling and components left over from the German occupation. It was a decent though obsolete aircraft until the country's entire supply of the specified Daimler-Benz DB-605 engines was destroyed when the abandoned sugar refinery where they were stored burned down. The Czechs had to substitute a different engine, the Junkers Jumo 211F as used in HE-111 bombers. This was completely unsuitable for a fighter, reducing performance and making some already poor handling characteristics much worse. The Israelis took these wretched machines because they were literally the only fighters anyone would sell to them. The Avias suffered from low serviceability and a high accident rate but still managed to wrest air superiority from the rag-tag Arab air forces. They held the line until Spitfires and P-51 Mustangs arrived later in 1948.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:38:07am |
re: #98 iceweasel
I don't know; they might try harder to lock him up for longer, if only because there were so many killings and there was a lot of neighbourhood outcry. The guy wasn't merely killing pets, as bad as that would be. What he was doing wasn't quick.
Someone there sent me this back in May-
(warning: more disturbing than the other article; you might not want to read it)
[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]
Monster. I am not sure that the thing that did this is human. It sounds more like a demon in human form. I know that almost certainly is not true, but that's what it feels like.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:38:16am |
re: #99 BatGuano
Is that song by the Sherman Brothers? :)
Um, not exactly . . .
(Although it does give new meaning to "Feed The Birds"!)
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:38:41am |
re: #95 Dark_Falcon
I'll take your word for it. I'm not up on English maritime law. I should have known a lizard would be!
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:40:31am |
Just Fuckin face it ... you got oil ... you got no problems ... cut the womens parts off ... oh, yeah, you are okay ... keep pumping the oil ... stone the crap or better yet ... hang the homos ... yeah right .... you want to show me something which you are suppose to be "different" from Bush? ... grow some friggin balls and address the mullahs ... oh, wait ... you can't ... oh, I see ... it's too soon ... okay ... well how long are we suppose to wait? ...
You da man now ... you want change? ... get up there and "really" make something happen ... be different ... friggin make a statement ... isn't that what we have all been waiting for? ... if and when that happens ... I will believe in the Hope and Change ...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:41:01am |
re: #103 BatGuano
I'll take your word for it. I'm not up on English maritime law. I should have known a lizard would be!
It's not part of Maritime law anymore. I read it in some books some years back.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:41:12am |
re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth
I was unaware of that. How very sad.
Yes, it's awful. Islam itself forbids FGM, apart from one Sunni school (which holds that it's mandatory, so Wiki tells me). But it's illegal, so in the ME it's generally practiced in secret.
In Africa though, it's practiced openly in many places, and not even primarily for religious reasons-- the practice is very old; it predates both Christianity and Islam.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:43:58am |
re: #104 JacksonTn
Just Fuckin face it ... you got oil ... you got no problems ... cut the womens parts off ... oh, yeah, you are okay ... keep pumping the oil ... stone the crap or better yet ... hang the homos ... yeah right .... you want to show me something which you are suppose to be "different" from Bush? ... grow some friggin balls and address the mullahs ... oh, wait ... you can't ... oh, I see ... it's too soon ... okay ... well how long are we suppose to wait? ...
You da man now ... you want change? ... get up there and "really" make something happen ... be different ... friggin make a statement ... isn't that what we have all been waiting for? ... if and when that happens ... I will believe in the Hope and Change ...
That puts the problem in stark relief: If we want change in places like that, we'll have to pay for it at the pump. The change will be painful, so most politicians won't go near it. The only way to do so would be to let the public know in advance that they'll be hurt in the short term and convince them that this is the only long term solution.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:44:23am |
re: #108 BatGuano
Speaking of Mary Poppins.
[Video]
The kite is wonderful! Especially with that Pi symbol on the front!
;)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:44:35am |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:45:46am |
And now I must head off to bed. Good night all, and fear no darkness.
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jacksontn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:46:03am |
re: #109 Dark_Falcon
That puts the problem in stark relief: If we want change in places like that, we'll have to pay for it at the pump. The change will be painful, so most politicians won't go near it. The only way to do so would be to let the public know in advance that they'll be hurt in the short term and convince them that this is the only long term solution.
DF ... I want Obama to address this one issue ...
Why is it okay for Iran to have nuclear energy and U.S. not ... why? .... if it is so great for a country that has oil coming out of their ass why not America ...
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:46:46am |
re: #92 Slumbering Behemoth
Very wrongly so. And I've not heard any women's rights groups, or any politicians for that matter, address this.
If not for blogs, I would have no idea what FGM really was. The only time I've seen it even mentioned on t.v. was on the Tyra Banks talk show (sue me, I think she's hawt!).
As vapid and self-centered as I consider her to be, I do have to give her credit for addressing the subject on her show, interviewing a woman who suffered such disgusting barbarism as a young girl and giving her the opportunity to detail the horrible practice and share how it has had a negative impact on her entire life.
I'd have to give Tyra credit for that too. But women's rights groups have been on the topic of FGM for years; alice walker wrote a novel about it in the late 80's. There have been a couple of cases of women here seeking asylum, because returning home means they'd have to undergo it (or their daughters would).
I think it's only now breaking into the mainstream US discourse, but some people have been monitoring it for a long time. (the UN and the WHO have as well)
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:46:48am |
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:47:03am |
re: #105 BatGuano
I love Mary Poppins.
That and Chitty-Chitty Bang-Bang are two of my most favorite movies from my childhood.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:47:16am |
re: #112 Dark_Falcon
Bye DF, always a pleasure. Take care.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:47:20am |
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:48:19am |
re: #112 Dark_Falcon
And now I must head off to bed. Good night all, and fear no darkness.
G'nite, Dark Falcon
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:50:49am |
re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth
shit! I'm ascurred of Mary Poppins, demon spawn!
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:51:41am |
Which Way To Turn ... oh, .....
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:51:50am |
Lizards I just came back to say goodnight. Had to reboot. Arrrgh Am having huge computer problems so if I disappear from the internet it's not that I don't like you. LOL
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:52:14am |
re: #123 Pvt Bin Jammin
Lizards I just came back to say goodnight. Had to reboot. Arrrgh Am having huge computer problems so if I disappear from the internet it's not that I don't like you. LOL
G'Nite, PBJ!
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:53:29am |
re: #121 BatGuano
shit! I'm ascurred of Mary Poppins, demon spawn!
This will make her seem friendlier – but it's NSFW!
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:54:55am |
re: #127 BatGuano
I ain't at work, sparky!
Maybe not, but there are others that may click on it. It's only fair to warn them.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:55:52am |
Take care, all.
I guess I am doing pretty well after all posting here on this old dog IE6 with eight or nine window open. LOL The new microsoft updates didn't like my firefox. Will try firefox again tomorrow but in the meantime at least I could post.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:56:27am |
On the other end of the spectrum, we have the Kentucky trucker who alerted authorities to the Beltway Snipers' location back in 2002.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 12:59:06am |
re: #129 Pvt Bin Jammin
Take care, all.
I guess I am doing pretty well after all posting here on this old dog IE6 with eight or nine window open. LOL The new microsoft updates didn't like my firefox. Will try firefox again tomorrow but in the meantime at least I could post.
PJM .... hey I am barely keeping up myself ... I think I need some Spy for Dummies or something ... but I been using Spy since I started ... it is very very telling ... don't really know how the new spy works ....
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:00:12am |
re: #126 gmsc
I remember that was a big deal at the time, Thank you HBO Circa. 1980.
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pink freud Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:01:38am |
And the spin begins by the liberal mouthpiece, WAPO:
The Iranian People Speak
"Allegations of fraud and electoral manipulation will serve to further isolate Iran and are likely to increase its belligerence and intransigence against the outside world. Before other countries, including the United States, jump to the conclusion that the Iranian presidential elections were fraudulent, with the grave consequences such charges could bring, they should consider all independent information. The fact may simply be that the reelection of President Ahmadinejad is what the Iranian people wanted."
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:01:44am |
re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth
That's only because you don't know her true nature.
Never show that to littleoldlady.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:02:21am |
re: #133 BatGuano
I remember that was a big deal at the time, Thank you HBO Circa. 1980.
If you really want to mess with your mind, watch S.O.B. (with Julie Andrews topless), then Havoc (with Anne Hathaway topless), and then watch Princess Diaries.
;)
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:03:20am |
re: #135 pink freud
And the spin begins by the liberal mouthpiece, WAPO:
The Iranian People Speak"Allegations of fraud and electoral manipulation will serve to further isolate Iran and are likely to increase its belligerence and intransigence against the outside world. Before other countries, including the United States, jump to the conclusion that the Iranian presidential elections were fraudulent, with the grave consequences such charges could bring, they should consider all independent information. The fact may simply be that the reelection of President Ahmadinejad is what the Iranian people wanted."
Just like the msm did to the students in Tienanmen Square- under the bus.
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pink freud Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:03:51am |
re: #139 Sharmuta
Just like the msm did to the students in Tienanmen Square- under the bus.
Exactly, Sharm. Despicable.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:04:38am |
re: #138 gmsc
I was attempting a little humor. Guess I failed.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:05:04am |
re: #137 gmsc
I suspect I will be overwhelmed with boobage.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:05:08am |
Remember that lame cartoon, Captain Planet?
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:08:03am |
re: #141 Sharmuta
I was attempting a little humor. Guess I failed.
Oh – oops.
We think of you as someone who looks out for people, so it sounded more like you were watching out for littleoldlady's interests than making a joke.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:09:06am |
re: #140 pink freud
It's really stomach turning. These people are dying for their freedom, and American msm outlets are shilling for the mullahs.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:09:13am |
re: #145 TheMatrix31
Yeah but...how 'bout them Phillies?!
/hmmm...Fenway?
//you can put the broom away now ;-)
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:10:01am |
gmsc! :-)
Evil Mary Poppins!
I don't remember you showing it to me before.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:10:05am |
re: #142 Sharmuta
I like you liking Anne Hathaway. That's going in my spank bank.
////
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:10:39am |
re: #135 pink freud
Quislings......fucking obsiquious quislings who never met a totalitarian regime they weren't willing to coddle.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:10:49am |
re: #149 Sharmuta
It's really stomach turning. These people are dying for their freedom, and American msm outlets are shilling for the mullahs.
WaPo sucks and has sucked for a long, long time.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:11:28am |
re: #150 littleoldlady
Yeah but...how 'bout them Phillies?!
/hmmm...Fenway?
//you can put the broom away now ;-)
Argh....and my Braves lost 2 out of 3 to the lowly Orioles.
Their next five series? Reds, Red Sox, Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies.
We're screwed.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:12:29am |
re: #150 littleoldlady
TallOldMan must've spiked the gatoraide in the visitor's dugout-
/yeah....that's the ticket
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:13:22am |
re: #150 littleoldlady
Yeah, how are Mike Schmidt and Greg Luzinski doing?
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:13:27am |
re: #151 littleoldlady
gmsc! :-)
Evil Mary Poppins!
I don't remember you showing it to me before.
I thought I did. I know I've posted it, but maybe you never saw it when I did.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:14:02am |
re: #152 Slumbering Behemoth
I like you liking Anne Hathaway. That's going in my spank bank.
////
Why did you use sarc tags?
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:15:32am |
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:15:46am |
re: #154 iceweasel
WaPo sucks and has sucked for a long, long time.
I know. It's doubtful it will ever change. Maybe they'll go bankrupt soon.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:16:19am |
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:17:22am |
Ah wait a minute--that WaPo article isn't an article, it's an Op-Ed column:
The election results in Iran may reflect the will of the Iranian people. Many experts are claiming that the margin of victory of incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was the result of fraud or manipulation, but our nationwide public opinion survey of Iranians three weeks before the vote showed Ahmadinejad leading by a more than 2 to 1 margin -- greater than his actual apparent margin of victory in Friday's election
And who is the column written by, and how good is this poll?
It's written by the two guys who conducted the poll :
The groups' May 11-20 polling consisted of 1,001 interviews across Iran and had a 3.1 percentage point margin of error.
Yeah, fuck the WaPo, and fuck these two douchebags' OpEd column. I don't consider a poll that only asked about 1000 people how they'd vote to be indicative of anything-- unless it's indicative of how the WaPo will let ANYONE, and I do mean ANYONE, publish an OpEd column there. Jesus.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:20:46am |
This is where I go with it ... (not that you care) ....
After being a liberal for who friggin knows many generations of Roosevelt Democrats ... what a weird awakening to find out that "The One" that was once again suppose to "save us all" was again a figment of the media coddling ... was he the "One" ... was he the one we were waiting for to bring us out from the darkness of the republicans reign? ... no friggin no ... cuz they all speak from their own best interest ... this may get me banned but I don't care ... (although I do love this blog ) ... the sides have been drawn ... I don't need to post the nics ... I have seen (although in the "one" case) that I only probably agree with the reporter ( are they called that when the post on a blog) ... I hope this blog will continue to be an American First site ...
It is so very very hard to determine what is fact and what is being shaped to meet the agenda .... I hate it ... how do you ever determine the facts ... the internet has become a very strange place and is ripe for astroturfing .... my head constantly swirls ...
anyway .... I still love Joni anytime ...
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jcw46 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:22:26am |
re: #95 Dark_Falcon
Flotsam is wreckage floating on the surface on a body of water, jetsam is wreckage that has washed ashore. In times past in England the difference was important: Flotsam belonged to the Crown, while jetsam belonged to the owner of the land it washed up on.
You're close. Flotsam is something afloat, usually wreckage or storm caused damage or loose cargo and is still considered the original owners property whereas Jetsam is anything jettisoned by the owner and is considered the property of whoever finds and retrieves it. Similar to laws concerning salvage. Consent by the owner or reps must be given for a salvor to legally salvage a vessel or cargo and is still considered the property of the owner. An abandoned vessel requires no consent and a salvor can take possession immediately.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:22:30am |
re: #162 littleoldlady
Oh, the Braves aren't doing well?
/BONUS! I get to rub noses in it, too. ;-)
The only thing they're consistent at is being inconsistent.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:22:50am |
re: #165 JacksonTn
This is where I go with it ... (not that you care) ....
After being a liberal for who friggin knows many generations of Roosevelt Democrats ... what a weird awakening to find out that "The One" that was once again suppose to "save us all" was again a figment of the media coddling ... was he the "One"
Whenever I heard this kind of talk about the "Zero", I couldn't help but think of this in my head:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:23:32am |
re: #159 Sharmuta
Why did you use sarc tags?
Because I have a hard time visualizing or fantasizing about a real live woman having a sexy liaison with a three inch tall, blue skinned female cartoon charact... no... wait... there it is.... give me a moment of privacy, please.
/and some tissue
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:23:51am |
re: #165 JacksonTn
I +dinged+ you for Joni Mitchell.
Other than that I have no idea what you said!
/one of us needs more coffee... ;-)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:26:28am |
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:26:33am |
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:28:23am |
re: #165 JacksonTn
I didn't know what you said either, but I'm updinging you for Joni too. :)
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:29:33am |
re: #170 littleoldlady
I +dinged+ you for Joni Mitchell.
Other than that I have no idea what you said!
/one of us needs more coffee... ;-)
LolsL ... I don't want to assume but ... maybe it is because you have never lived on the other side of the fence ...
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:30:50am |
re: #165 JacksonTn
It is so very very hard to determine what is fact and what is being shaped to meet the agenda .... I hate it ... how do you ever determine the facts ... the internet has become a very strange place and is ripe for astroturfing .... my head constantly swirls
This is a fact checking site. One of the ways to figure out what's going on to check facts and sources. And apply a little logic. The internet has become ripe for astroturfing, but sticking with Lizards is a good way to learn reality from bullshit.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:31:25am |
No updates on the situation in Tehran on the BBC World Service- but I think I'm listening to one of their regularly scheduled financial market update shows. They might provide some news at the break....
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:33:55am |
Oops! Update almost as soon as I hit 'post'....
Right now they're just saying that the protests are continuing, but the opposition rally for later on today has been called off.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:34:05am |
re: #177 Sharmuta
This is a fact checking site. One of the ways to figure out what's going on to check facts and sources. And apply a little logic. The Internet has become ripe for astroturfing, but sticking with Lizards is a good way to learn reality from bullshit.
Shar ... "sticking" with any person, entity or anything is no subsitute for what you feel is right .. but the I guess just saying that is closed minded ... I am still truing to figure it all out ...
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:34:48am |
re: #176 JacksonTn
Au contraire, mon ami!
In fact, I am STILL a registered Democrat.
/local politics originally; laziness since then
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:35:25am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:36:05am |
re: #172 Sharmuta
Some folks call me perverted, some say I am pathological (OOOH! Look out! Here comes that psycho that likes pleasuring women of unusual tastes!), but I prefer the term "freaky".
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:36:21am |
re: #181 BatGuano
Joni Mitchell Twisted.
Guano .... why would you think Joni Mitchell is twisted or are you kidding ...
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:36:57am |
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:37:08am |
re: #179 Fenway_Nation
Oops! Update almost as soon as I hit 'post'....
Right now they're just saying that the protests are continuing, but the opposition rally for later on today has been called off.
Shit, really? That's awful--it's supposed to be only 3 hours away. I know they'd denied a permit for the march, and I heard the Interior Ministry had just declared the assembly illegal-- but I didn't know it had been called off.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:40:20am |
re: #180 JacksonTn
Shar ... "sticking" with any person, entity or anything is no subsitute for what you feel is right .. but the I guess just saying that is closed minded ... I am still truing to figure it all out ...
What does feeling have to do with facts? You have your moral compass, and between that and facts, you should be able to make your conclusions. I will continue to stick around here because I count on my peers to fact check and share their insights, which are usually second to none. If you're reading something, and you're not sure about it, bring it here. Lizards will help fact check it.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:42:24am |
She be twisted, fer shur.re: #189 littleoldlady
It was 35 years ago. We were young! music was good.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:42:26am |
I'm telling you- that private thread is a sock puppet/lurker magnet.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:44:07am |
re: #191 BatGuano
I'm not thrilled about being about to say that, you know.
i.e. "I visited California once...40 years ago!"
:-(
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:45:10am |
re: #192 Sharmuta
What's going on there, Sharmuta? And let me see if I understand that concept...if I log out I don't get to read the thread? What would I see?
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:45:23am |
re: #180 JacksonTn
Shar ... "sticking" with any person, entity or anything is no subsitute for what you feel is right .. but the I guess just saying that is closed minded ... I am still truing to figure it all out ...
One problem is that there's so much information overload out there, and it's hard to find good sources of info, let alone do all the fact checking. We really can't believe anything we read, no matter who it's from, unless we verify the sources ourselves. Because anyone, even someone normally reliable, can make a mistake.
I guess for me one of the big pluses of LGF is that you have a whole community of people doing factchecking from all kinds of sources. The aggregate power of all that factchecking is a lot greater than what any one person can do even if they do it fulltime.
So stuff gets rapidly debunked where necessary. It's really pretty amazing to see it in action.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:47:01am |
re: #192 Sharmuta
I'm telling you- that private thread is a sock puppet/lurker magnet.
Really? I was all caught up in the Iran stuff. Maybe I'll have to go check that out....
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:47:03am |
So ... do ya'll think it is easy to buck your "party" ... or be your own preson ... whether that be a blog owner or a private person? ... I am just stating the facts as I see them ...
Do you thinki is easy for Charles to be who he is instead of being who othes want him to be ... it is convient for people who are so deep their "Party" to grasp onto every single platform the party chooses ... it is the hardiest when you take the road you decide is right for you ....
I cannot help from sympathizing with the more left on this site recently on their more perceived "left" stances .... there are some things about myself I know will never change .... but I hope we will come together for the good of the U.S.
if you did not understand this post ... I don't know what else to say ....
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:47:11am |
re: #195 littleoldlady
Yes- if you log out, you won't be able to get into that thread- you can load the page, and see the article, but you won't get the thread with comments. Charles has also made it so those comments will not show up on the Spy if you're logged out.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:47:25am |
re: #192 Sharmuta
Is it the "big buzz" among those that offer the weak pretense that they no longer care about this site, while spending all their meaningless time talking about this site and how they don't care about it?
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freetoken Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:50:36am |
Aha! LoL's kitchen... caught in the act of preparing the fruitcup!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:51:59am |
re: #201 freetoken
Aha! LoL's kitchen... caught in the act of preparing the fruitcup!
Ha! Can't fool me. That's Red's fruitcup workstation, not LoL's.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:52:49am |
re: #198 JacksonTn
I think you've hit upon why there are more "independents" than Democrats or Republicans.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:53:21am |
Here you go .... just keep it real ... Charles .. I do not envy you ... I promise ...
Probably up past your bedtime ... but anyway ...
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:53:21am |
re: #198 JacksonTn
I understand you. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I find it easy to be me. That doesn't mean it doesn't take courage, though. It's easy to let yourself get pushed and pulled in whatever direction by people with agendas- that's exactly the problem today. People are too easily moved. It isn't easy to be your own person in that sense, but I think once you feel more comfortable, you will find it easier to be yourself than to be a sheep.
In short- think for yourself is teh hard. But it's worth it.
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redc1c4 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:54:53am |
re: #203 Slumbering Behemoth
Ha! Can't fool me. That's Red's fruitcup workstation, not LoL's.
can't be mine: only one bottle.....
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freetoken Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:55:02am |
re: #203 Slumbering Behemoth
Ha! Can't fool me. That's Red's fruitcup workstation, not LoL's.
Either that... or Red's been staying over at LoL's recently... :-O
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:55:09am |
re: #198 JacksonTn
I think many people find it easier to substitute kneejerk party loyalty for the hard work of independent thought and intellectual honesty. Lots of people don't like to think that hard, so they'd rather go along with whatever 'their party' says.
Which is the opposite of Charles, and by far most people here, I think.
It can be hard to be your own person and think independently and critically all the time. Charles does that, which is why the stalkers hate him. He confounds and mystifies them which is why they're always saying he's "gone over to the other side".
They simply can't comprehend what it is to be independent. They're trapped in dichotomous thinking: "with us or against us". With no tolerance for any dissent.
(That happens in every political party for some of its adherents, but the stalkers make for a good example of it in action.)
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:55:37am |
Speaking of financial markets, I figure it's time I get back on that horse with.....
Fenway's Nightly Precious Metals/Commodities Update:
Gold- down 0.07% ($931.6 an ounce)
Silver- down 3% ($14.35 an ounce)
Palladium- down 1.6% ($247 an ounce)
Platinum- down 1.8% ($1227 an ounce)
Rhodium- unchanged ($1355 and ounce)
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:55:51am |
My house is such a mess...if someone else was living here I could easily miss it!
;-)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:56:09am |
Having trouble teaching your kids not to drink directly from the carton?
This may help teach that lesson.
Language warning.
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redc1c4 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:56:22am |
re: #210 freetoken
Either that... or Red's been staying over at LoL's recently... :-O
i'd ruin her for normal men.....
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:56:50am |
re: #207 redc1c4
newbie................
and obviously *not* a native.
I'm an Oregonian. I hope to return.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:57:06am |
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:57:11am |
re: #200 Slumbering Behemoth
Naturally, they put up a thread about it. But I went and looked at the end of it and found this:
emuller
Registered since: Mar 22, 2009 at 3:12 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
There was another that had taken 10 months to post his first comment. Now- that doesn't mean these two are sock puppets, but it is odd how suddenly comments go private and they have to log in and finally say something.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:58:39am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 1:59:58am |
re: #208 redc1c4
can't be mine: only one bottle.....
No, there's two. One with liquor, and one disguised as a "spice" container.
Who the hell knows what's in that bag behind them, but I suspect that's the secret ingredient that allows me to taste music and hear colors.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:00:00am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:00:07am |
re: #224 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!
Yummy! And not scary!
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:00:11am |
re: #211 iceweasel
I think many people find it easier to substitute kneejerk party loyalty for the hard work of independent thought and intellectual honesty. Lots of people don't like to think that hard, so they'd rather go along with whatever 'their party' says.
Which is the opposite of Charles, and by far most people here, I think.
It can be hard to be your own person and think independently and critically all the time. Charles does that, which is why the stalkers hate him. He confounds and mystifies them which is why they're always saying he's "gone over to the other side".
They simply can't comprehend what it is to be independent. They're trapped in dichotomous thinking: "with us or against us". With no tolerance for any dissent.
(That happens in every political party for some of its adherents, but the stalkers make for a good example of it in action.)
To thine own self be true.
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redc1c4 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:00:38am |
re: #222 Slumbering Behemoth
No, there's two. One with liquor, and one disguised as a "spice" container.
Who the hell knows what's in that bag behind them, but I suspect that's the secret ingredient that allows me to taste music and hear colors.
if'n it ain't liquor, it ain't a bottle.......
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:01:00am |
re: #224 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!
BTW – right on time! Congrats!
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redc1c4 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:01:23am |
re: #225 gmsc
Yummy! And not scary!
taht's what you think.....
(try the private thread fruitcup. %-)
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freetoken Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:01:53am |
re: #224 littleoldlady
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Hooraaay... Eh?... See, proof that Red is rummaging through LoL's kitchen!
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:02:37am |
re: #224 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!
Good Morning little old Lady and the Lizards Army...Heading to the Airport in a couple of hours!
Hope today finds everyone well
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:03:00am |
iceweasel! :-)
gmsc! :-)
Sharmuta! :-)
BatGuano! :-)
red! :-)
Slumbering! :-)
Jackson! :-)
Fenway! :-)
freetoken! :-)
/is that everyone?
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redc1c4 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:03:03am |
re: #217 littleoldlady
There's someone who hasn't met talloldman...
;-)
he's a squid..... what more is there to say?
/white smoke
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:03:25am |
re: #222 Slumbering Behemoth
No, there's two. One with liquor, and one disguised as a "spice" container.
Who the hell knows what's in that bag behind them, but I suspect that's the secret ingredient that allows me to taste music and hear colors.
heh.
Prof. Frink: Brace yourselves, gentlemen. According to the gas chromatograph, the secret ingredient is... Love!? Who's been screwing with this thing!
Excellent simpsons episode. Flaming Moe's.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:03:31am |
re: #215 redc1c4
i'd ruin her for normal men.....
I've seen what you put in your fruitcup. Living with you would ruin ANYONE for normal ANYTHING.
/
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:04:15am |
re: #237 littleoldlady
iceweasel! :-)
gmsc! :-)
Sharmuta! :-)
BatGuano! :-)
red! :-)
Slumbering! :-)
Jackson! :-)
Fenway! :-)
freetoken! :-)
/is that everyone?
You missed a few . . .
;)
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:04:52am |
re: #238 redc1c4
Listen, it took me months (and my daughter) to finally learn what a cougar is.
Make it easy on my, m'kay? What's a squid?
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SixDegrees Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:05:02am |
re: #164 iceweasel
Ah wait a minute--that WaPo article isn't an article, it's an Op-Ed column:
And who is the column written by, and how good is this poll?It's written by the two guys who conducted the poll :
The groups' May 11-20 polling consisted of 1,001 interviews across Iran and had a 3.1 percentage point margin of error.
Yeah, fuck the WaPo, and fuck these two douchebags' OpEd column. I don't consider a poll that only asked about 1000 people how they'd vote to be indicative of anything-- unless it's indicative of how the WaPo will let ANYONE, and I do mean ANYONE, publish an OpEd column there. Jesus.
1000 to 2000 samples is typical for national polling, whether the nation is Iran, the US or any other. It's sufficient to ensure that the margin of repeatability is quite small - around 3%, as is the case with this poll.
The calculation of the margin assumes that the sampling is truly random; it can be difficult to say whether this is true without knowing more about the actual sampling techniques used. There is almost always some skew involved no matter how careful the pollsters are, thanks to potential unequal distributions across geographic areas, phone number assignments, access to pollsters and a host of other factors. But the results in this case seem to reflect reality fairly well. I don't see any reason to reject them.
It seems much more likely that shoddy reporting and the bias of journalists toward a particular outcome led to the disappointment now being exhibited; people were led to believe, without any more than some journalist's say-so, that Mahmoud was going to topple Ahmedinijad. This may have been the outcome hoped for by the media, but the reality seems not to have matched the pundit's predictions.
Frankly, neither candidate has much to recommend them; they're both virulently anti-Western zealots who serve at the pleasure of the unelected mullahs who are actually in charge of the country. Mahmoud's willingness to allow his wife to speak in public and to wear something other than a black sack may cast him as a moderate to some, but it's hardly an open-minded attitude. More importantly, such an approach in a country run by some of the most hard-core Islamic militants on the planet isn't going to enthrall many of the True Believers. Little wonder that Mahmoud got trounced.
What's extremely troubling is that, after this show election rigged to demonstrate openess and a willingness to debate, it appears that the powers that be will now turn the tables and use it as an excuse to purge their populace of it's more vocal detractors. Ahmadinijad has already issued a veiled death threat against Mahmoud, and Mahmoud's supporters are being rounded up for beatings or worse wherever they raise their heads. All this is being done against a backdrop of apparent international indifference, with a few harumphs here and there over "allegations" of fraud and toothless calls for investigations. The situation is really much, much more like Tianeman Square, with the squelching of a loud, troublesome minority, than anything else.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:05:14am |
re: #237 littleoldlady
iceweasel! :-)
gmsc! :-)
Sharmuta! :-)
BatGuano! :-)
red! :-)
Slumbering! :-)
Jackson! :-)
Fenway! :-)
freetoken! :-)
/is that everyone?
Hellllloooooo
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redc1c4 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:05:37am |
re: #240 Slumbering Behemoth
I've seen what you put in your fruitcup. Living with you would ruin ANYONE for normal ANYTHING.
/
and yet, you never see what goes in *your* fruitcup.....
are you so sure you've really seen what you think you've seen?
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:05:40am |
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redc1c4 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:07:04am |
re: #243 littleoldlady
Listen, it took me months (and my daughter) to finally learn what a cougar is.
Make it easy on my, m'kay? What's a squid?
sailor.......
i'm guessing your daughter was being coy in cluing you in on the cougar thing.
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:07:09am |
re: #224 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!
Morning All. My first fruitcup in a week or so. Thanks {lol}
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:07:10am |
Matrix! :-)
Don't be sitting there in the corner sulking over baseball! ;-)
SixDegrees! :-)
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:07:47am |
re: #249 Erik The Red
Morning All. My first fruitcup in a week or so. Thanks {lol}
Hey Erik! what up ?
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:08:09am |
re: #248 redc1c4
sailor.......
i'm guessing your daughter was being coy in cluing you in on the cougar thing.
Not at all. She's rather...um...upfront.
/and it's not the compliment that I thought it was either...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:08:19am |
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:08:42am |
ERIK! :-) :-) :-)
Where are you? En route or arrived?
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:09:00am |
re: #252 HoosierHoops
Hey Erik! what up ?
Hey 2H. My family fly out on Wednesday. I may be delayed here by a week or two :(
It has been a crazy 3 weeks.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:09:22am |
re: #250 littleoldlady
Matrix! :-)
Don't be sitting there in the corner sulking over baseball! ;-)
SixDegrees! :-)
I'm not :)
/I'm sulking over BASKETBALL!
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freetoken Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:09:56am |
re: #242 gmsc
The Romper Room I remember was way before 1984!
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:10:01am |
To not a single person in particular ... just to a few who addressed it....IW ... first thanks for responding , I am sure we are on he opposite sides of the fence about Obama ... my family have too many issues with his total campaign and his reluctance to take a firm stance against what we perceive to be our enemies ...
I understand the other right blogs .. they are like a scorned person ... as to the other right-wind blogs ... who knows ... but I know that I am responsible (at least for my posts ( okay except for election night) ... but I will never get on board with DailyKos and HuffPo because it woulb be like a battered woman going back to her lovers bed ... they were nasty vile and oh, yeah ..........
You're Tears Are Delicious .... (but you know I honestly do not feel that way ... that is the difference .....
/I guess that is enough for now ...
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:10:06am |
re: #256 Erik The Red
:-(
Well, on the upside, I hear the weather in Florida hasn't been very paradisesque lately...
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:10:15am |
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redc1c4 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:10:48am |
re: #253 littleoldlady
Not at all. She's rather...um...upfront.
/and it's not the compliment that I thought it was either...
being the hot older woman that entraps the young, would be studs, *isn't* a compliment?
no wonder everyone i know from Philly is weird: y'all are from another planet.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:10:57am |
Fenways' (formerly) nightly overseas market update:
Australia's All Ordinaries- down 0.77%
Japan's Nikkei- down 0.95%
Mumbai's SENSEX- down 2.26%
KOSPI Seoul Composite- down 1.13%
Johannesburg's JSE Limited- down 1.41%
Taiwan Weighted- down 3.45%
Singapore's Straits Times- down 2.32%
Shanghai Composite- up 1.67%
New Zealand's NZSE50- up 0.55%
Hang Seng- down 2.07%
Tel Aviv's TA-100- down 2.19%
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:11:23am |
re: #260 littleoldlady
:-(
Well, on the upside, I hear the weather in Florida hasn't been very paradisesque lately...
That putting it mildly. I spoke to my sister last night. She tells me it has been shocking.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:11:27am |
re: #244 SixDegrees
It seems much more likely that shoddy reporting and the bias of journalists toward a particular outcome led to the disappointment now being exhibited; people were led to believe, without any more than some journalist's say-so, that Mahmoud was going to topple Ahmedinijad. This may have been the outcome hoped for by the media, but the reality seems not to have matched the pundit's predictions.Frankly, neither candidate has much to recommend them; they're both virulently anti-Western zealots who serve at the pleasure of the unelected mullahs who are actually in charge of the country. Mahmoud's willingness to allow his wife to speak in public and to wear something other than a black sack may cast him as a moderate to some, but it's hardly an open-minded attitude. More importantly, such an approach in a country run by some of the most hard-core Islamic militants on the planet isn't going to enthrall many of the True Believers. Little wonder that Mahmoud got trounced.
What's extremely troubling is that, after this show election rigged to demonstrate openess and a willingness to debate, it appears that the powers that be will now turn the tables and use it as an excuse to purge their populace of it's more vocal detractors. Ahmadinijad has already issued a veiled death threat against Mahmoud, and Mahmoud's supporters are being rounded up for beatings or worse wherever they raise their heads. All this is being done against a backdrop of apparent international indifference, with a few harumphs here and there over "allegations" of fraud and toothless calls for investigations. The situation is really much, much more like Tianeman Square, with the squelching of a loud, troublesome minority, than anything else.
In re the reliability of the poll--- I'm aware that the sample size isn't necessarily a problem; what I'm more bothered by is that I'm totally unfamiliar with these guys organisations and I can't speak for how accurate their methods are; and I saw enough shitty polls in the run up to the election to not trust polls unless I know more about the surveyors' methods.
As to the rest of what you wrote-I agree. I have seen ONE article so far by an american that suggested that the election results are not all that surprising, and that we (and iran) had inflated and skewed expectations due to shoddy and biased reporting in the runup.
(also agree that Mousavi isn't exactly some liberator, or much to be happy about)
Let me dig up that article; I didn't link it here earlier because I'm not sure I agree with it, but it expresses the kind of thought you have here.
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:12:20am |
re: #265 Sharmuta
Hi, Erik! We've missed you.
I have missed everyone here too. :) I have limited net access and even less free time :(
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redc1c4 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:13:03am |
re: #267 Erik The Red
That putting it mildly. I spoke to my sister last night. She tells me it has been shocking.
global warming strikes again......
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:13:05am |
re: #270 Erik The Red
I have missed everyone here too. :) I have limited net access and even less free time :(
Good to see you again!
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redc1c4 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:13:37am |
re: #270 Erik The Red
I have missed everyone here too. :) I have limited net access and even less free time :(
po' Erik: no pr0n!
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shiplord kirel Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:13:40am |
re: #139 Sharmuta
Just like the msm did to the students in Tienanmen Square- under the bus.
From the WaPo article:
Independent and uncensored nationwide surveys of Iran are rare. Typically, preelection polls there are either conducted or monitored by the government and are notoriously untrustworthy. By contrast, the poll undertaken by our nonprofit organizations from May 11 to May 20 was the third in a series over the past two years. Conducted by telephone from a neighboring country, field work was carried out in Farsi by a polling company whose work in the region for ABC News and the BBC has received an Emmy award. Our polling was funded by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.
Now, how is their poll a contrast to the typical rigged poll? Because it is the third in a series, which is what they seem to say here? Non-sequitur. More importantly, note that they don't really say their poll was independent and uncensored. Rockefeller funding and a past Emmy award for the pollsters are hardly evidence of reliability, quite the opposite in fact.
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:14:35am |
re: #270 Erik The Red
I have missed everyone here too. :) I have limited net access and even less free time :(
We are looking forward to your arrival Erik!
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:15:32am |
'Night, BatGuano! :-)
re: #264 redc1c4
Let me put it this way...from her 20-year old, "I'm after the same guys!" perspective...it's not a compliment.
/thus spake Mrs Robinson ;-)
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:16:59am |
re: #268 iceweasel
IW ... sorry but if you want to post polls ... you need to go through Avanti ...
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:17:03am |
re: #274 shiplord kirel
Not to mention some of the analysis from earlier about polls in Iran- that being the Iranians would be mistrusting of a foreign entity calling them about their opinions. People who live under oppressive regimes are hesitant to speak freely about their true opinions.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:17:56am |
re: #259 JacksonTn
I can understand your feelings about Kos and HuffPo...believe it or not, I think they're useless sites, and I also think that the comments sections are complete cesspools. I avoid them like the plague!
It's been really weird that HuffPo has been providing good coverage of the Iran issue. It's the first time i've ever looked to them for coverage on ANYTHING....I'm not reading the comments (as usual) but I'm sure there's a lto of vile stuff in there.
Just like with Andrew Sullivan-- I can't stand him but he's been another place that's been providing good Iran coverage! I'm sure tomorrow he'll go back to being a jerk as always.
We live in interesting times all right. It's weird.
Always nice talking with you, JacksonTN, even when we disagree.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:17:59am |
re: #269 gmsc
Good night, Bat Guano!
gsmc ... um ... what are you doing up so later or early ... oh, wait it is 4 where I am ...
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:18:12am |
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:19:16am |
re: #274 shiplord kirel
Now, how is their poll a contrast to the typical rigged poll? Because it is the third in a series, which is what they seem to say here? Non-sequitur. More importantly, note that they don't really say their poll was independent and uncensored. Rockefeller funding and a past Emmy award for the pollsters are hardly evidence of reliability, quite the opposite in fact.
Whoa, small point-- this is an OpEd column, not an article, and the poll isn't a WaPo poll, but a poll done by the guys writing the column.
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:19:43am |
Have I missed anything over the last two weeks that is important or juicy or just down right scandalous?
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:20:49am |
re: #282 JacksonTn
gsmc ... um ... what are you doing up so later or early ... oh, wait it is 4 where I am ...
Vegas is a 24-hour town!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:21:06am |
re: #246 redc1c4
I've tasted hidden octaves
That drive sane men mad
I've heard the horrid colors
That twist just men into bad
I've seen the profane flavors
That give life to unholy dead
These wicked signs assure me
I've sampled fruitcup made by Red
/I suck at poetry
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:21:22am |
re: #285 Erik The Red
Have I missed anything over the last two weeks that is important or juicy or just down right scandalous?
You can now make comments in the spy if you click the spy icon on the articles. We also now have private threads, where only registered, logged in users can see the comments.
Oh- and cognito got banned.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:21:29am |
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:21:41am |
re: #285 Erik The Red
Have I missed anything over the last two weeks that is important or juicy or just down right scandalous?
Been pretty Quiet Erik...No classic meltdowns
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:22:05am |
re: #281 iceweasel
IW ... oh, no ... I don't deny that each of those sites have the "capacity" to report important facts ... it is just they "report" them when they see fit ... IMO not good ...
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:22:53am |
re: #289 Sharmuta
You can now make comments in the spy if you click the spy icon on the articles. We also now have private threads, where only registered, logged in users can see the comments.
Oh- and cognito got banned.
Cog got banned? About time. Is Avanti still around?
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:23:37am |
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shiplord kirel Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:23:57am |
re: #284 iceweasel
Whoa, small point-- this is an OpEd column, not an article, and the poll isn't a WaPo poll, but a poll done by the guys writing the column.
OpEd or not, they are making factual claims, unless it is just their opinion that this poll was conducted in the manner and with the results described, which makes no more sense than their effort to contrast a third poll with rigged polls. I am aware that the two stooges who wrote the "factual editorial " (or whatever the hell it is) are also responsible for the poll. So?
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:24:30am |
re: #294 Erik The Red
Cog got banned? About time. Is Avanti still around?
Ya...Avanti is still around...He said some shit that got him top 10 status..
Must have cut and pasted something....
Unreal dude...LOL
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:24:37am |
re: #287 gmsc
Vegas is a 24-hour town!
gmac ... yeah, baby ... coming out ... 7's .... 11's ... c and e ... put em put boys ... flip the aces .... you bets .... come goes pass the line ....
Hey what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas ... right?
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gmsc Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:25:48am |
re: #299 JacksonTn
gmac ... yeah, baby ... coming out ... 7's .... 11's ... c and e ... put em put boys ... flip the aces .... you bets .... come goes pass the line ....
Hey what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas ... right?
Yep - and 90% of the time, it's because the people drink too much to remember what happened anyway.
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:26:10am |
How do you have a private chat with logged in users?
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shiplord kirel Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:27:10am |
re: #280 Sharmuta
Not to mention some of the analysis from earlier about polls in Iran- that being the Iranians would be mistrusting of a foreign entity calling them about their opinions. People who live under oppressive regimes are hesitant to speak freely about their true opinions.
An excellent point, and in my humble opinion, a smoking gun. Why would anyone in Iran express an anti-regime opinion to some foreigner who calls out of the blue and starts asking nosy questions? It may be significant that anti-regime opinions were more common among the wealthy and educated, who are presumably a little more secure than their poorer countrymen.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:27:43am |
joegelman (?) posted this in the spinoffs.
If it's true, THIS IS BIG.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:27:55am |
re: #301 gmsc
Yep - and 90% of the time, it's because the people drink too much to remember what happened anyway.
gmsc ... you are so right ... I don't gamble much ... but I have a girlfriend who has been a craps dealer for decades in Vegas ... oh, man ... does she have some stories to tell ...
Good Night gsmc ...
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:31:44am |
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:31:47am |
re: #297 shiplord kirel
OpEd or not, they are making factual claims, unless it is just their opinion that this poll was conducted in the manner and with the results described, which makes no more sense than their effort to contrast a third poll with rigged polls. I am aware that the two stooges who wrote the "factual editorial " (or whatever the hell it is) are also responsible for the poll. So?
Oh, I just think it's important for others to know that this wasn't an article, and the poll wasn't commissioned by the WaPo. Someone upthread made that mistake initially, that's all.
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shiplord kirel Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:31:47am |
I believe Dinnerjacket is the anointed and revered leader of the peaceful Iranian people because some guys said so on the WaPo OpEd page and the truth of that cannot be challenged because it is an editorial and not a news story, so it has to be true.
/LLL pidgin logic, wrong for America, wrong for your brain.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:33:08am |
I will get really tired soon ... by for now I am decrompressnig .... waiting for the sun to come out .... anyway ... one my favorite Joni Michelle songs ...
Power, Ideals and Beauty ...
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:33:21am |
re: #305 shiplord kirel
An excellent point, and in my humble opinion, a smoking gun. Why would anyone in Iran express an anti-regime opinion to some foreigner who calls out of the blue and starts asking nosy questions? It may be significant that anti-regime opinions were more common among the wealthy and educated, who are presumably a little more secure than their poorer countrymen.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. The wealthy and the educated can more easily afford to be anti-regime (sorry for the pun) and have somewhat more freedom to be so.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:33:33am |
And now- just the Muslim countries (interesting to see what effect- if any- the situation in Iran will have on other markets in the Mid-East):
Amman's ASE Weighted: down 0.76%
Jakarta's JKSE Composite: down 1.01%
Dubai's ADX: down 1.19%
Egypt's EGX30: up 0.55%
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:35:33am |
re: #314 Fenway_Nation
NYSE futures down 96 points.
Killian should be pretty mad at Iran by now. ;-)
/but I predict that the NYT will blame Netanyahu
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shiplord kirel Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:37:23am |
re: #313 iceweasel
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. The wealthy and the educated can more easily afford to be anti-regime (sorry for the pun) and have somewhat more freedom to be so.
Thanks, Ice. #311 isn't directed at you, btw. It's more for gullible WaPo readers who will be sucked in by the poll.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:38:42am |
re: #315 littleoldlady
NYSE futures down 96 points.
Killian should be pretty mad at Iran by now. ;-)
/but I predict that the NYT will blame Netanyahu
Or Bush.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:39:44am |
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:40:39am |
re: #318 littleoldlady
BOTH!
/why not go for broke?
"Go for broke?"
My dear LoL...some of us are already there.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:41:49am |
re: #316 shiplord kirel
Thanks, Ice. #311 isn't directed at you, btw. It's more for gullible WaPo readers who will be sucked in by the poll.
No prob! I didn't think you meant it to be directed at me. :-)
I think there are two kinds of people who are going to be gullible and sucked in by that poll:
1) the clueless and unthinking lib, who believes whatever is in the WaPo's editorial pages (never mind that the WaPo has an extensive history of publishing ALLLL kinds of shit in its OpEd pages!)
and
2) the clueless wingnut on the right, who is going to claim that this is an article in the WaPo and represents the official position of the WaPo, and/or that it was a WaPo poll.
Sigh. And the world spins on....
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:42:35am |
re: #309 Erik The Red
Geez who would have thought that/////////
The writing was on the wall for anyone who chose to read it. 44 is going to fuck up the US in so many ways.
Hell, even my Grandma who I had a few heated battles with that resulted in a couple days of not speaking to each other told me the other day that she "doesn't like Obama anymore".
I just said "yeah...."
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:44:57am |
For some reason tonight, I was wondering if shows like Deadliest Catch, Ice Road Truckers or Tougher in Alaska are shown in the Middle East.
/"For Allah's sake! Look at those crazy infidels out there in the freezing cold. What would you say the temperature is there, Achmed? 55, 60 degrees?"
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:45:21am |
re: #319 Fenway_Nation
"Go for broke?"
My dear LoL...some of us are already there.
My dear Fenway...what is more broke than broke? (Destitute?) That's where we are.
Anyway, I think that's my cue... :-(
Good day, ALL!™
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:45:52am |
re: #292 JacksonTn
IW ... oh, no ... I don't deny that each of those sites have the "capacity" to report important facts ... it is just they "report" them when they see fit ... IMO not good ...
Yes, i agree. Selective reporting and biased reporting. It's one reason why I don't read them and why I've been shocked that they're doing good coverage of this. It feels really weird to be reading them or linking them!
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:47:18am |
re: #321 TheMatrix31
Hell, even my Grandma who I had a few heated battles with that resulted in a couple days of not speaking to each other told me the other day that she "doesn't like Obama anymore".
I just said "yeah...."
Did she say why? I mean specifically, that is.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:49:31am |
re: #325 iceweasel
Did she say why? I mean specifically, that is.
Nah, I don't remember her saying specifically.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:49:45am |
re: #325 iceweasel
Did she say why? I mean specifically, that is.
Unicorn delivery must've been running behind schedule.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:50:15am |
breaking:
IranElection09: BREAKING LIVE NEWS IN IRAN: Supreme Leader Khamenei has threatened Mousavi on live television #iranelection
[Link: twitter.com...]
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:50:40am |
re: #328 Fenway_Nation
I'm still pissed I didn't get my pony yet!
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:51:49am |
The march is on!
# PLEASE send to all Iranians you know inside, outside Iran must get word out, march is on Mousavi & Karroubi will be ther #iranelection18 minutes ago from web
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laZardo Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:54:02am |
/from before he let his ego take over
//that and those stupid shutter glasses
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jcw46 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:54:37am |
Don't know if this has been mentioned before but there's a Poll on Israel vs Palestine being taken. You don't have to give any info to vote (no email, name, signup). You can vote every hour I think and there's other polls about M.E. you can vote on.
Right now Israel is 49.7 vs Palestine 50.3
So do like good Chicago Democrats do: VOTE! AND VOTE OFTEN!
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:54:40am |
re: #332 laZardo
/from before he let his ego take over
//that and those stupid shutter glasses
Hey you! how goes it?
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:54:50am |
Iran's supreme leader giving in, calling for investigation into fraud allegations.
Iran’s supreme leader orders investigation into ballot fraud allegations
Posted: 05:36 AM ET
[Link: cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com...]
TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) — Iran’s supreme leader has ordered an investigation into the country’s disputed presidential election and asked opposition leader Mir Hossein Moussavi to pursue his allegation of ballot fraud through legal means.
The country’s government-funded Press TV reported Monday that Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei had requested the moves.
The news came on the same day as Iran braced for a third day of protests as demonstrators, defying a government ban on their rallies, began to gather at Tehran University.
“They are chanting slogans: ‘Death to the dictator,’” said a witness who CNN will not identify for safety reasons. “We are here. We will not leave the scene until our presence is known.”
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:54:55am |
There's some elections in Mexico coming up, too....[parlimentary? Congressional? Chamber of deputies?]
I do not envy Felipe Caleron, btw....
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laZardo Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:56:31am |
re: #334 HoosierHoops
Pretty good, though I'm more than halfway through the impromptu Swine Flu Vacation. >_>
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jcw46 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:56:36am |
re: #309 Erik The Red
Geez who would have thought that/////////
The writing was on the wall for anyone who chose to read it. 44 is going to fuck up the US in so many ways.
Can you say "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"?
I knew you could.
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:57:21am |
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rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:58:25am |
re: #342 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops! doing well, son graduated Saturday, but it's still Monday lol!
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:58:28am |
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shiplord kirel Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:58:41am |
Btw, gang, next Sunday, midsummers day, is also my birthday. I'll be hitting the big 6-0, born June 21st 1949. Seems like an incredibly remote date nowadays, though dinosaurs should have been roaming the earth or at least still warm from the meteoric firestorm that did them in.
Truman was president, WW2 had been over for less than 4 years, the best digital computer was hundreds of times less powerful than my $5 Timex watch and took up a good size barn, and a decent hamburger cost a dime. Otoh, the polio vaccine hadn't been developed, the south was rigidly segregated, cars didn't have seatbelts, and a visit to the dentist was akin to an interview with the recently departed Gestapo.
I rather like living here in the far future and wouldn't trade it for anything; old age, terrorists, and depraved media culture notwithstanding.
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laZardo Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:01:27am |
re: #346 shiplord kirel
You gotta admit that it's a bit disappointing that we still don't have flying cars and mass-produced laser guns yet.
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:01:45am |
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:02:17am |
re: #345 TheMatrix31
Oh my god, I LOVE that episode!
Who wouldn't love a pony? Who wouldn't love a person who had a pony?
:)
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laZardo Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:02:56am |
re: #335 iceweasel
Hmm...North Korea could be getting belligerent because Kim III doesn't want to take the throne after his dad. Maybe the Ayatollahs are having succession problems as well.
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:04:14am |
re: #333 jcw46
Don't know if this has been mentioned before but there's a Poll on Israel vs Palestine being taken. You don't have to give any info to vote (no email, name, signup). You can vote every hour I think and there's other polls about M.E. you can vote on.
Right now Israel is 49.7 vs Palestine 50.3
So do like good Chicago Democrats do: VOTE! AND VOTE OFTEN!
The comments or there are truly sick.
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UncleRancher Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:04:50am |
re: #346 shiplord kirel
68 here. There's snow on the mountain but there's fire in the furnace. These are the best of times yet. Trouble brewing everywhere you look but still we've got it all. Who ever thought school kids could be in touch with everyone they know 24/7?
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shiplord kirel Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:06:14am |
re: #347 laZardo
You gotta admit that it's a bit disappointing that we still don't have flying cars and mass-produced laser guns yet.
Yeah, the two could go together, especially here in Lubbock. If some yahoo in a giant flying monster SUV cuts you off, just zap him. He wouldn't have a chance in a dogfight.
A few years ago, I saw an ad in a sci-fi magazine for a special commemorative limited edition etc. Buck Rogers raygun. It was an exact duplicate of the prop used in the original serial, made from brass, aluminum, plexiglass, and wood of all things. I thought it looked pretty cool, then I saw the price: $495.00 (!)
I thought, damn, for that it had better f***ing work.
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:06:54am |
re: #352 rightside
Morning Erik, the day approaches?
Yes it does. My family fly out on Wednesday. I was meant to fly on the 24th, but have hit a few snags here. Will know on Thursday if I am going to have to delay by a week or two.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:07:11am |
re: #350 laZardo
Hmm...North Korea could be getting belligerent because Kim III doesn't want to take the throne after his dad. Maybe the Ayatollahs are having succession problems as well.
Hey laZardo, how are you?
You could be right; I'd never thought of that. Hmmmmm....empires and dynastic rules go through upheaval when the line of succession isn't certain. Hmmm...
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:07:15am |
re: #346 shiplord kirel
Btw, gang, next Sunday, midsummers day, is also my birthday. I'll be hitting the big 6-0, born June 21st 1949. Seems like an incredibly remote date nowadays, though dinosaurs should have been roaming the earth or at least still warm from the meteoric firestorm that did them in.
Truman was president, WW2 had been over for less than 4 years, the best digital computer was hundreds of times less powerful than my $5 Timex watch and took up a good size barn, and a decent hamburger cost a dime. Otoh, the polio vaccine hadn't been developed, the south was rigidly segregated, cars didn't have seatbelts, and a visit to the dentist was akin to an interview with the recently departed Gestapo.
I rather like living here in the far future and wouldn't trade it for anything; old age, terrorists, and depraved media culture notwithstanding.
My Dad just turned 60 on Friday. Happy early birthday!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:08:00am |
re: #347 laZardo
You gotta admit that it's a bit disappointing that we still don't have flying cars and mass-produced laser guns yet.
Your priorities are horribly out of whack. Flying cars? Laser guns? Pffft!
What about sexbots?
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rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:08:17am |
re: #357 Erik The Red
Best of luck to you, be safe, and look forward to seeing you back when you are settled.
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:09:19am |
Let this sink in.The only coach in History in any major sport to win 10 Championships...
I guess he is good....
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:10:01am |
re: #362 HoosierHoops
Let this sink in.The only coach in History in any major sport to win 10 Championships...
I guess he is good....
Phil Jackson....Forgot that part
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:11:07am |
re: #360 Slumbering Behemoth
Your priorities are horribly out of whack. Flying cars? Laser guns? Pffft!
What about sexbots?
They've been working on that. Weird, weird, weird.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:11:39am |
re: #362 HoosierHoops
Let this sink in.The only coach in History in any major sport to win 10 Championships...
I guess he is good....
He's an opportunist, hasn't done any of the wheeling and dealing or team building one Red Aurbach did. Let him go to the LA Clippers or Sacramento Kings and win a championship.
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:14:16am |
re: #365 soxfan4life
He's an opportunist, hasn't done any of the wheeling and dealing or team building one Red Aurbach did. Let him go to the LA Clippers or Sacramento Kings and win a championship.
You are right..players win Championships..But really..a great coach helps alot.
They inspire and motivate you to do great things...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:14:33am |
re: #364 iceweasel
I have a feeling that the Japanese may be the first to get there. I also have a feeling that none of us, not even a freak like me, will like it.
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shiplord kirel Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:14:47am |
I've been bitten bad by the model plane bug here lately. I used to think this was a little childish. Actually I still do, I just don't give a damn now.
Another IDF kit I have (but haven't started) is the Academy 1/48th scale Mirage IIIC, the terrible swift sword of the 6 day war and one of the prettiest planes ever made. The kit is very reasonably priced for a 48th scale jet (it is over a foot long when finished).
Looking at it, this might be because the molds are a little old and there is a lot of "flash" to clean up, not at all typical quality for Academy. I can do wonders with an X-acto knife and sandpaper though so it should make up into a spiffy model.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:16:07am |
Ok, I don't know if this is true, but the BBC was reporting just about an hour ago that the protest has been called off by Mousavi, because he'd been told that the crowds would be fired on with live ammo:
Iran's defeated moderate candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi has cancelled a big rally amid unrest over President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's re-election.
The interior ministry had declared planned protests illegal.
The BBC understands that Mr Mousavi called off the rally after being warned that militias policing it would be equipped with live rounds.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
I don't know what to believe, because that's from the BBC over an hour ago and people in Iran using Twitter are saying the protest is on.
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laZardo Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:17:54am |
re: #360 Slumbering Behemoth
What often happens in anime almost never translates into something visually desirable IRL. D:
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:18:04am |
re: #369 iceweasel
I guess we'll know soon either way, because the protest was supposed to be at 4pm Tehran time, and that's only an hour and 15 minutes away.
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:18:55am |
Shaq twittered to Kobe with a congad's for the win...
He is a class act
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:19:28am |
re: #366 HoosierHoops
You are right..players win Championships..But really..a great coach helps alot.
They inspire and motivate you to do great things...
I'll agree with that, but I could have coached three of those Championship teams, Shaq and Kobe togethr were unstoppable and if Phil could have kept them together 10 would have been history he could be on 12 or more now.
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UncleRancher Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:19:41am |
re: #368 shiplord kirel
I was into model aircraft pretty heavy about 35 years ago but then it faded. Yep the Mirage is a beaut. (some assembly required.) I've got an SR71 kit still sitting on the shelf that I never got to.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:20:33am |
re: #372 HoosierHoops
Shaq twittered to Kobe with a congad's for the win...
He is a class act
Are we going to get a Kobe version of "Hows my ass taste Shaq"?
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jcw46 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:20:44am |
re: #351 Erik The Red
The comments or there are truly sick.
If you look there's a way to break out what countries people were from who voted for Israel or Palestine. I was shocked to find so many countries represented as opposing Israel. The christian, English-speaking countries appear alone in their support of Israel.
Of course I realize this poll is not scientific, etc. etc. but still it is a sobering look at the number of folks who would wish Israel into the sea if not for the U.S.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:21:48am |
re: #367 Slumbering Behemoth
I have a feeling that the Japanese may be the first to get there. I also have a feeling that none of us, not even a freak like me, will like it.
Probably!
i really did see something about the first 'sexbot' and the prototype was japanese.
I assume people know about the good old American RealDoll though?
The RealDoll is a life-size sex doll (also considered a mannequin) manufactured by Abyss Creations in San Marcos, California, USA, and sold worldwide. It has a poseable PVC skeleton with steel joints and silicone flesh, which is arguably the state-of-the-art for life-like human body simulation.
Female dolls include realistic openings in their vagina, mouth and anus suitable to simulate sexual acts. Male dolls can include a penis of varying size and flaccidity, based on the buyer's specifications. A RealDoll is relatively expensive averaging $5000 and up depending on what accessories are selected.
Wikipedia. Cree. Pee.
There's a documentary about them; I can't remember what it's called but it interviewed a few people who own them.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:21:53am |
re: #372 HoosierHoops
Gosh, hoops... it's vacation! You up early...or out late?
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:22:00am |
re: #375 soxfan4life
Are we going to get a Kobe version of "Hows my ass taste Shaq"?
LOL
logging off.Time to get everybody up and head to the Airport....
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:22:13am |
re: #368 shiplord kirel
I've been bitten bad by the model plane bug here lately. I used to think this was a little childish. Actually I still do, I just don't give a damn now.
Dude, if it's something you dig, and you're not hurting anybody, then it's not childish. It's just a harmless hobby you enjoy.
I'm not into building model 'anythings', but if you dig model planes, more power to you!
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:22:36am |
re: #376 jcw46
If you look there's a way to break out what countries people were from who voted for Israel or Palestine. I was shocked to find so many countries represented as opposing Israel. The christian, English-speaking countries appear alone in their support of Israel.
Of course I realize this poll is not scientific, etc. etc. but still it is a sobering look at the number of folks who would wish Israel into the sea if not for the U.S.
How many of those same folks would like to see the US fall into the sea, especially if we were to stop the flow of foreign aid money. Then Israel might fall to number 2 on the list behind us.
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:23:11am |
re: #378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gosh, hoops... it's vacation! You up early...or out late?
Talk to you later bro....Hope today finds you well
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:24:08am |
re: #368 shiplord kirel
I've been bitten bad by the model plane bug here lately. I used to think this was a little childish. Actually I still do, I just don't give a damn now.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that this is a good hobby to have because it encourages mental and physical dexterity. It's correlated with lower risks of Alzheimers and other unpleasant things.
So celebrate! :)
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jcw46 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:25:02am |
re: #360 Slumbering Behemoth
Your priorities are horribly out of whack. Flying cars? Laser guns? Pffft!
What about sexbots?
With Senso-Skin® and internal heaters with Vibro-max® orifices.
: >
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:27:39am |
Okay...this ain't gonna happen. At my church's new facility, volunteering my time. This computer is reeeeally slow...everything takes forever to load... See y'all later.
Don't wanna go crazy.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:29:33am |
re: #377 iceweasel
Cree. Pee.
No. Kidding.
I mean, if they can't spank you and issue demeaning commands, what good are they?
/
Seriously though, those things are kinda weird.
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UncleRancher Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:32:29am |
I'm going to have to run. Got fence to fix in the AM. Deer got in the corn field.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:32:44am |
re: #387 Slumbering Behemoth
No. Kidding.
I mean, if they can't spank you and issue demeaning commands, what good are they?
/Seriously though, those things are kinda weird.
hee. You made me laugh!
You know, the documentary was interesting...a couple of them were guys who can't have and don't want to have a relationship with an actual human being. I felt sorry for them and I thought, Ok, at least they're not hurting anyone, if this makes them happy what's the big deal?
I had the chance to feel one of these RealDolls at a museum and let's just say that they really are surprisingly lifelike. It creeped me out.
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jcw46 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:32:59am |
re: #368 shiplord kirel
I've been bitten bad by the model plane bug here lately. I used to think this was a little childish.
I did them as a kid but was too impatient and klutzy to make anything decent so I abandoned them as too much trouble.
Then a few years back, for some reason I bought a sailing ship model. A 16" replica of an English frigate from the 17th cent. I sanded and detailed that thing. EVERY surface was painted. I even washed the sails in a light coat of gray to give them a weathered look. I ran rigging for everything (above and beyond what was pictured on the box cover.)
When I was done that thing was BEAUTIFUL! and looked very real too.
I was so proud that I did such a good job. Like chess, it focused my mind for other uses and made me realize what I was capable of if I tried.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:36:39am |
re: #388 UncleRancher
I'm going to have to run. Got fence to fix in the AM. Deer got in the corn field.
How tall of a fence do you need to keep deer out?
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jcw46 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:38:47am |
re: #391 soxfan4life
How tall of a fence do you need to keep deer out?
I don't know about Rancher but the ones I've seen that are effective are about 6-8 feet tall. ('course it depends on the size of the deer).
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:39:17am |
Ok-- rally IS on, and Mousavi will appear:
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
Iran was today braced for more street protests against the disputed re-election of President Ahmadinejad as the country's Supreme Leader ordered an investigation into the vote, reversing his earlier decree that the result was fair.
The authorities have so far arrested 170 reformists and banned a nationwide march by Mir Hossein Mousavi, Mr Ahmadinejad's defeated rival, in an attempt to quell the growing anger among his supporters.
But the moderate candidate who lost to the hardliner in Friday’s vote said he will appear at the rally today.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:43:47am |
re: #389 iceweasel
You made me laugh!
Oh? WIN!
I spend most of my time here trying to make Lizards laugh. Sadly, my style of humor is so prudish and puritanical that it often falls flat.
/
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:47:02am |
re: #394 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh? WIN!
I spend most of my time here trying to make Lizards laugh. Sadly, my style of humor is so prudish and puritanical that it often falls flat.
/
I saw your comment earlier involving a tissue, buddy. Who do you think you're fooling? :-)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:48:00am |
G'nite Lizards. I am not getting any more buzzed then I am now, so I'm gonna pound pillow.
Laters.
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jcw46 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:49:25am |
This is what the WH is saying about Netanyahu's speech but I read a transcript of his speech and I think BiBi gave Obi a big fat middle-digit salute.
I particularly like how he politely corrected Obi's omission about how Israel was the JEW'S HOMELAND for the last 3500 years.
I remember from the Bible in the O.T. about a certain David kicking some Philistine ass by the name of Goliath, like about 2500+ years ago. (philistine = palestine).
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rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:52:51am |
re: #203 Slumbering Behemoth
What gave it away the Wild Turkey?
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:57:06am |
re: #401 Flyers1974
hey flyers! it's damn quiet here right now...
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Flyers1974 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:00:32am |
re: #402 iceweasel
I guess most people here are on the west coast. 7:00 am in Maryland. Where are you?
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:02:14am |
Buying Fishing Gear From a Blind Clerk
A woman goes into Bass Pro Shop to buy a rod and reel for her
grandson's birthday. She doesn't know which one to get so she just
grabs one and goes over to the counter.
A Bass Pro Shop associate is standing there wearing dark shades. She
says, 'Excuse me, sir. Can you tell me anything about this rod and
reel? He says, 'Ma'am, I'm completely blind; but if you'll drop
it on the counter, I can tell you everything from the sound it makes.'
She doesn't believe him but drops it on the counter anyway. He says,
'That's a six-foot Shakespeare graphite rod with a Zebco 404 reel and
10-LB. Test line.. It's a good all around combination and it's on sale
this week for only $20.00.
'It's amazing that you can tell all that just by the sound of it
dropping on the counter', she says. 'I'll take it!' As she opens
her purse, her credit card drops on the floor. 'Oh, that sounds like
a Master Card,' he says. She bends down to pick it up and
accidentally farts. At first she is really embarrassed, but then
realizes there is no way the blind clerk could tell it was she who
tooted. Being blind, he wouldn't know that she was the only person
around.
The clerk rings up the sale and says, 'That'll be $34.50 please.' The
woman is totally confused by this and asks, 'Didn't you tell me the
rod and reel were on sale for $20.00? How did you get $34.50?' He
replies, 'Yes, Ma'am. The rod and reel is $20.00, but the Duck Call is
$11.00 and the Bear Repellent is $3.50.'
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:03:17am |
re: #403 Flyers1974
I guess most people here are on the west coast. 7:00 am in Maryland. Where are you?
I'm hiding my locale out of an excess of paranoia; being female on the internet and all.
I like Maryland, the few times I've been. I've been to the Preakness a few times, etc.
I think maybe it's slow here because it's a monday night/morning.
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Flyers1974 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:05:18am |
re: #405 iceweasel
Can't blame you for that. Not much new Iran news available?
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Flyers1974 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:07:08am |
re: #405 iceweasel
I've lived in MD since 1996 and once lived about five minutes away from where the preakness is held, never been there.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:07:43am |
Good morning.
Look for the market to give up some gains today cause the professional investors are looking for some signs of actual economic growth and are not finding much. So they will take some profits now, take some money off the table, and see what happens next.
The average worker can look forward to a near future of an ever growing workload (due to job cuts and not replacing those who leave on their own) and a stagnant or even shrinking pay check.
It is going to see who Obama blames this on as time goes by. You know that he will accept no blame himself.
My guess is he will continue to blame Bush for as long as the gullible public accepts that. You know that the MSM will follow his lead.
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:08:48am |
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:09:16am |
re: #406 Flyers1974
Can't blame you for that. Not much new Iran news available?
No, there is news-- the supreme leader has acknowledged the results need to be investigated (check spin off links)(!) and the protest is going forward-- in 20 minutes, actually.
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Flyers1974 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:09:39am |
re: #409 rightside
Nice. There was just a big triatholon down your way, not that I've ever done one of those.
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rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:11:28am |
re: #413 Flyers1974
no offense, but I avoid MD like the plague. It's funny watching thousands of Marylanders cross the bridge to buy cheaper gas and smokes. Yet they keep voting in the same people who raise their taxes more and more.
Maryland state motto: "If you can dream it, we can tax it"
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Flyers1974 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:12:10am |
re: #408 3 wood
Personally, I don't see any blame belonging to anyone on the US side. All will spin things, though, no doubt,
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:12:12am |
re: #407 Flyers1974
I've lived in MD since 1996 and once lived about five minutes away from where the preakness is held, never been there.
Can't blame you; the race is fun if you ever go, but sit in the clubhouse or in regular seating....the infield is one giant frat party. I watched some guys tip over a portapotty with their friend inside; they tipped it over so it fell on top of the door and he couldn't get out. Horrorshow. Disgusting.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:12:54am |
Global warming?
So far, June's chill is one for the records
The cloudy, chilly and rainy open to June here has been the talk of the town. So far this June is running more than 12 degrees cooler than last year, and the clouds, rain and chilly lake winds have been persistent. The average temperature at O'Hare International Airport through Friday has been only 59.5 degrees: nearly 7 degrees below normal and the coldest since records there began 50 years ago.
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Flyers1974 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:14:05am |
re: #414 rightside
No offense taken. I'm a transplant, no loyalties here. I stick to where I grew up. I was Delaware before here.
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:14:46am |
re: #416 iceweasel
Can't blame you; the race is fun if you ever go, but sit in the clubhouse or in regular seating....the infield is one giant frat party. I watched some guys tip over a portapotty with their friend inside; they tipped it over so it fell on top of the door and he couldn't get out. Horrorshow. Disgusting.
We used to go to the Queen's Plate at Woodbine in Toronto every year, and there was never any of that nonsense, mostly because they don't open the infield. My first reaction was "that stuff happens at a horserace?"
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rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:15:17am |
Your text to link...Biden on Economy Oops it was worse than we thought.
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Flyers1974 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:15:38am |
re: #416 iceweasel
Horseracing never appealed to me, and I prefer to abuse alcohol in smaller groups.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:16:22am |
re: #415 Flyers1974
Personally, I don't see any blame belonging to anyone on the US side. All will spin things, though, no doubt,
Well Obama constantly talks about how he inherited the worst economy since the depression (not true, but the MSM buys it hook line and sinker).
Part of the reason why Obama is on such a sweat to rush through health care nationalization is that they are scared to death in the White House that the public will soon figure out that Obama's polices have screwed things up worse.
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rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:18:50am |
Morning Erik you know of a director named Darrel Roodt from down in South Africa? And are his Movies well liked there recently saw one called Prey he did that was quite good tho. I'm currently trying to find Cryptid so I can watch it. Tagline for Cryptid
Evolution Taks care of Nature's Mistakes...it missed one.
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haakondahl Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:20:06am |
Joe Biden says "Everybody guessed wrong" about unemployment and the state of the economy.
Wrong yet again. Fiscal conservatives, the Republican leadership, and even some newspaper editorial boards predicted just what would happen. It's no mystery what has happened--exactly as fiscal conservatives said, printing money and a tax and spend program in a recession will kill jobs and bring inflation.
This chart is a damning example of the dangerous foolishness we are engaged in.
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Flyers1974 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:20:22am |
re: #423 3 wood
Thought you were talking about Iran , my bad.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:20:53am |
Going Postal.
Postal service, operating in the red, mulls more cuts: Journal
The U.S. Postal Service, having posted a nearly $2 billion fiscal second-quarter loss, is contemplating cutting tens of thousands more jobs and closing or consolidating 3,100, or 8.4%, of its 36,700 offices and retail outlets, The Wall Street Journal reported.The Postal Service also is considering eliminating Saturday deliveries, the Journal reported, as mail volume for the quarter ended March 31 shrank 15% from a year earlier.
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Flyers1974 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:22:31am |
re: #414 rightside
no offense, but I avoid MD like the plague. It's funny watching thousands of Marylanders cross the bridge to buy cheaper gas and smokes. Yet they keep voting in the same people who raise their taxes more and more.
Maryland state motto: "If you can dream it, we can tax it"
Delaware, very cheap cigs. I'm trying to quit though.
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Fluffy Bunny Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:24:15am |
Good morning all!
I'm sitting here drinking iced coffee, preparing for the 105 degree heat index today...could you Northern Lizards send a little of that cool air to Florida, please? : )
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3 wood Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:25:11am |
re: #425 haakondahl
Joe Biden says "Everybody guessed wrong" about unemployment and the state of the economy.Wrong yet again. Fiscal conservatives, the Republican leadership, and even some newspaper editorial boards predicted just what would happen. It's no mystery what has happened--exactly as fiscal conservatives said, printing money and a tax and spend program in a recession will kill jobs and bring inflation.
This chart is a damning example of the dangerous foolishness we are engaged in.
Dead on.
Not everybody guessed wrong. I've been saying 10-12% unemployment since last October.
Which again, is why Obama is in such a hurry to push health care nationalization through. He is worried that the public wills tart figuring out what a disaster his policies have been. He knows a clock is ticking.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:25:58am |
re: #414 rightside
no offense, but I avoid MD like the plague. It's funny watching thousands of Marylanders cross the bridge to buy cheaper gas and smokes. Yet they keep voting in the same people who raise their taxes more and more.
Maryland state motto: "If you can dream it, we can tax it"
Looks like it could be if you think Massachusetts is bad come to Maryland
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:27:08am |
re: #427 3 wood
Going Postal.
Postal service, operating in the red, mulls more cuts: Journal
Sure can't wait to have these same people involved in health care.
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Flyers1974 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:27:55am |
re: #429 Fluffy Bunny
Good morning all!
I'm sitting here drinking iced coffee, preparing for the 105 degree heat index today...could you Northern Lizards send a little of that cool air to Florida, please? : )
That's a tough one. Great place, Florids, but the heat seems a lot to get used to.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:28:22am |
re: #426 Flyers1974
No problem.
I never expected anything from Iran than what has happened.
I believe we can expect war there between them and Israel before too long, but I hope I'm wrong.
I also expect more weapons testing by Iran and North Korea, which will be them telling Obama to go jump in a lake. Obama will then send them a strongly worded letter.
| 435 |
rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:30:04am |
re: #434 3 wood At which point they will ignore him again and he will roll over turn on the puppy dog eyes and hope he gets his belly rubbed.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:31:15am |
re: #434 3 wood
No problem.
I never expected anything from Iran than what has happened.
I believe we can expect war there between them and Israel before too long, but I hope I'm wrong.
I also expect more weapons testing by Iran and North Korea, which will be them telling Obama to go jump in a lake. Obama will then send them a strongly worded letter.
How soon until 0bama just has a form letter type of speech he can roll out for all occasions blah,blah,blah, insert crisis here, blah,blah,blah, and I will be joining the UN Security Council in issuing a strongly worded letter, blah, blah, blah, I inherited this from George Bush, blah, blah, blah.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:32:48am |
Remember Obama talking about human rights during his mideast apology tour?
Here's Irans response:
Iran Bans Opposition Rally as Critics Are Detained
The main Iranian opposition on Monday postponed a major rally to challenge the disputed presidential election, as the country’s supreme leader called for calm after days of street protests.On Monday, opposition Web sites reported that security forces raided a dormitory at Tehran University and 15 people were injured. Between 150 and 200 students were arrested overnight, by these accounts, but there was no
immediate confirmation of the incident from the authorities. There were also reports of official action against students in the cities of Esfahan, Shiraz and Tabriz.
| 438 |
rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:33:12am |
1 hour to the 4pm Iran time anti dinner jacket rally.
| 439 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:34:41am |
re: #438 rustler
1 hour to the 4pm Iran time anti dinner jacket rally.
Something tells me that this will be similar to the Tianeman Square.
| 440 |
rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:34:48am |
re: #438 rustler
Allthough was reading htey observe Daylight savings time there too so might be 2 hours off since during dst would be GMT + 4.5 instead of 3.5.
| 442 |
haakondahl Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:37:06am |
re: #437 3 wood
Remember Obama talking about human rights during his mideast apology tour?
Here's Irans response:
I saw an interesting report on CNN that the Basijis (sp?) and riot police were the ones taking action, because the "ordinary city police are on the side of the people".
If Tehran goes Tiananmen, the people might have some allies.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:37:30am |
7:24 PM ET -- At least four reporters arrested. "The France-based media rights group Reporters Without Borders said it had confirmed the arrest of four reporters by Iranian authorities, including one who won the organization's press freedom prize in 2001. In addition, it said, it had no information about 10 other reporters who had either gone into hiding or had been arrested."
7:17 AM ET -- Mousavi to appear at rally? Mir-Hossein Mousavi has not been seen in public in well over 48 hours, but that may be about to change. The official Mousavi campaign Twitter account just posted: "CONFIRMED BY BBC PERSIAN, PLEASE TELL EVERYONE TO JOIN THEM: MOUSAVI, KAROUBI & KHATAMI WILL BE AT THE PROTEST." Iran-based Twitterer @persiankiwi: "the march has started. tens of thousands in streets."
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:39:32am |
re: #442 haakondahl
I saw an interesting report on CNN that the Basijis (sp?) and riot police were the ones taking action, because the "ordinary city police are on the side of the people".
If Tehran goes Tiananmen, the people might have some allies.
haak-- what I've been seeing would confirm that. I didn't see the CNN report, but all the info coming out of Iran via twitter etc talked about the Basiji (sp?) and riot police only.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:42:28am |
"It is being born and bred here on American soil," he said. "The seeds have all been sown over the past few years, between Iraq and Afghanistan on our side, and the increased propaganda and increased jihadi education materials on their side."
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:44:26am |
re: #447 albusteve
"It is being born and bred here on American soil," he said. "The seeds have all been sown over the past few years, between Iraq and Afghanistan on our side, and the increased propaganda and increased jihadi education materials on their side."
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
So how many innocent Iranian deaths will be laid at George Bush's feet by the left and the MSM.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:44:49am |
Here is a good example of how the Obama worshipping MSM are outright lying and shilling for their Messiah:
The Obama Haters’ Silent Enablers
In the first few paragraphs, Rich blames FOX news and conservatives for everything wrong in the world, referring to the Tiller murder. He conveniently forgets the left wing movies when Bush was in the White House showing President Bush being assassinated. In Frank Rich's world, that was just hunky-dory.
You know,.... the usual New York Times bull crap.
But then Rich goes totally insane:
In his scant 145 days in office, the new president has not remotely matched the Bush record in deficit creation.
Rich, you and your editors are outright, flat out, no question about it lying to the public.
Obama has quadrupled the debt. That is documented by the non-partisan Budget Office.
It is indisputable.
In fact, what is not being mentioned is that Obama assumed a 4% growth in GDP per year going forward. We would have to grow nearly 8% the rest of the year to do that, which those of us who deal with reality (as opposed to Frank Rich) know will not happen.
No Mr. Rich, the anger comes from many in the public getting tired of being lied to by political hacks like you.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:45:47am |
re: #442 haakondahl
If Tehran goes Tiananmen, the people might have some allies.
Could be, but they would be wise not to look to Obama for any help.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:46:54am |
re: #450 3 wood
Here is a good example of how the Obama worshipping MSM are outright lying and shilling for their Messiah:
The Obama Haters’ Silent EnablersIn the first few paragraphs, Rich blames FOX news and conservatives for everything wrong in the world, referring to the Tiller murder. He conveniently forgets the left wing movies when Bush was in the White House showing President Bush being assassinated. In Frank Rich's world, that was just hunky-dory.
You know,.... the usual New York Times bull crap.But then Rich goes totally insane:
Rich, you and your editors are outright, flat out, no question about it lying to the public.Obama has quadrupled the debt. That is documented by the non-partisan Budget Office.
It is indisputable.
In fact, what is not being mentioned is that Obama assumed a 4% growth in GDP per year going forward. We would have to grow nearly 8% the rest of the year to do that, which those of us who deal with reality (as opposed to Frank Rich) know will not happen.
No Mr. Rich, the anger comes from many in the public getting tired of being lied to by political hacks like you.
The left never seems to be able to grasp that little bit of irony
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:47:31am |
re: #441 rustler
Rustler- that clock is an hour off, it doesn't take account of Iran's daylight savings time. Current local time in tehran is an hour ahead of that:
Check this for current time in Tehran: [Link: www.timeanddate.com...]
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rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:47:37am |
Think he means because the regular police are seeming to side with the people only the Basij and riot force seem to be backing Dinnerjacket.
re: #451 3 wood
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:47:45am |
re: #424 rustler
Hey Rustler. I am embarrassed to say that I know nothing about him and have never seen any of his movies. Prey does sound like it my be good tho.
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rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:50:13am |
re: #456 Erik The Red
Pretty great movie really gruesome at point but I liked it like I liked I think it was called Rogue about a salty treeing a group of folks and terrorising them. Was thinking at first maybe it wouldn't be well liked in South Africa etc as it might be seen as hurting tourism but then thought about how many Americans want danger on their vacations and said they probably love it for the Tourist aspect.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:51:10am |
what should BO say about the elections?
a reminder of BOs blather in Cairo...he's committed to to these words and should resume what he says he believes now that the rubber has hit the road...the fact that he does not is telling me he's a coward
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:52:36am |
Gotta go. Stay scaly Lizards. I will be scarce around here until I get back in the US.
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rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:54:45am |
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:54:48am |
re: albusteve
what should BO say about the elections?
a reminder of BOs blather in Cairo...he's committed to to these words and should resume what he says he believes now that the rubber has hit the road...the fact that he does not is telling me he's a coward[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
It's not so much he's a coward, it's more he doesn't believe in what he says. Bernie Madoff could teach him a thing or 2 about integrity.
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rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:56:30am |
Amazing how year after year, when some teams win a championship, they riot, loot, set fire to vehicles, etc. I thought the messiah would unite the world?
Morning to the recent arrivals.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:57:18am |
re: rightside
Amazing how year after year, when some teams win a championship, they riot, loot, set fire to vehicles, etc. I thought the messiah would unite the world?
Morning to the recent arrivals.
0bama is setting fire to the country, those folks in LA are just emulating their leader.
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brucee Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:58:25am |
re: #335 iceweasel
Iran's supreme leader giving in, calling for investigation into fraud allegations.
Iran’s supreme leader orders investigation into ballot fraud allegations
Posted: 05:36 AM ET[Link: cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com...]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Investigation by guardian council I assume!
What are they gonna find out? That there has been massive vote fraud perpetrated by themselves + Khamenei + Guards + Ahamdimonkey? A fraud planned for months? That they didn't even count a single vote and just announced the result as it was decided long ago?
Yeah, didn't think so.
No, F U Mr. Khamenei
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 4:59:43am |
good analysis by Judith Miller
But if the clerics stole the race, they may have badly miscalculated. At very least they will have outraged their internal and external critics and given opponents cause to deny the Islamic republic’s legitimacy. If they resist President Obama’s engagement –- should he choose to continue pursuing that course — pressure for serious, crippling economic sanctions is likely to grow. If, on the other hand, the clerics try to defuse the uproar against them by seizing the diplomatic initiative and offering to engage Washington in talks, they will enter such negotiations on the defensive. Permitting user-friendly Mousavi to have been the benevolent, smiling face of this oppressive regime might have eased domestic pressures at home and assuaged naïve critics abroad. Retaining Ahmadinejad, who never saw an outstretched hand he did not want to bite, is likely to weaken Iran’s credibility over time. The bar for any deal with Teheran, could well be higher now. But this is what the clerics probably wanted.
[Link: foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com...]
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:00:16am |
re: #464 brucee
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Investigation by guardian council I assume!
What are they gonna find out? That there has been massive vote fraud perpetrated by themselves + Khamenei + Guards + Ahamdimonkey? A fraud planned for months? That they didn't even count a single vote and just announced the result as it was decided long ago?
Yeah, didn't think so.No, F U Mr. Khamenei
Exactly--- this was a scam designed to try to get people to not protest, it was supposed to convince Mosavi to cancel the protest.
Not. Working.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:00:51am |
re: brucee
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Investigation by guardian council I assume!
What are they gonna find out? That there has been massive vote fraud perpetrated by themselves + Khamenei + Guards + Ahamdimonkey? A fraud planned for months? That they didn't even count a single vote and just announced the result as it was decided long ago?
Yeah, didn't think so.No, F U Mr. Khamenei
And 0bama's response will be unless you give me some pointers on how to steal my next election, I will condemn your actions. That 52-48 win over McCain was too close for comfort.
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Rancher Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:01:26am |
re: #464 brucee
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Investigation by guardian council I assume!
What are they gonna find out?
That there has been massive vote fraud perpetrated by themselves + Khamenei + Guards + Ahamdimonkey?
Yes.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:02:25am |
re: Rancher
That there has been massive vote fraud perpetrated by
themselves + Khamenei + Guards +Ahamdimonkey?
Yes.
The Tehran office of ACORN is alive and well.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:02:41am |
re: #458 albusteve
what should BO say about the elections?
a reminder of BOs blather in Cairo...he's committed to to these words and should resume what he says he believes now that the rubber has hit the road...the fact that he does not is telling me he's a coward[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
the transparent president...people see clear through him and he's affraid of his nakedness...he's a pindick!
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:05:54am |
re: albusteve
the transparent president...people see clear through him and he's affraid of his nakedness...he's a pindick!
What do you imagine Bush's or Cheney's response would be to the Iranian election.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:06:46am |
re: MandyManners
Leo Panetta sucks.
That's what we get for 0bama appointing someone who is not a tax cheat.
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SteveC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:08:17am |
Good Morning, everyone!
Tomorrow I'm going to post an interview on my blog with a woman in her mid 20's, major heart defect, survivor of FOUR heart surgeries... and now she raises money by participating in a 10K.
Really awesome person and friend, I'll put it in the spinoff links when its posted.
(Note to Mainstream Media: People like this are real heroes, not the motley crew you try to promote.)
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:08:30am |
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:09:52am |
re: #478 MandyManners
Leo...Leon...whatever. He still sucks.
yeah, leon.
I assume you're referring to the upcoming new yorker article and his comments about cheney?
"It's almost, a little bit, gallows politics. When you read behind it, it's almost as if he's wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point. I think that's dangerous politics."
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enoughalready Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:10:02am |
re: #14 Pvt Bin Jammin
Isn't that the truth. The sad thing is that a group of parents were chanting "Obama Help Us". I'll bet he won't do a damn thing.
This is idiotic. The US administration would be FOOLS to come out and voice support for the protestors as that would be immediately used as proof of the protestors seditious nature.
Seriously, this is a pivotal moment for Iran and if you follow the reporting from iranians they are basically saying "We DON'T want the support of the US, it will give us nothing but grief".
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SteveC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:11:10am |
re: #478 MandyManners
Leo...Leon...whatever. He still sucks.
"Looks like you shot him with a .38"
".38, .39... whatever works."
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:11:39am |
re: #480 enoughalready
This is idiotic. The US administration would be FOOLS to come out and voice support for the protestors as that would be immediately used as proof of the protestors seditious nature.
Seriously, this is a pivotal moment for Iran and if you follow the reporting from iranians they are basically saying "We DON'T want the support of the US, it will give us nothing but grief".
Than my guess is Biden will be throwing our support behind them first thing this AM
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:11:42am |
re: #475 soxfan4life
What do you imagine Bush's or Cheney's response would be to the Iranian election.
don't know...different paradigm....neither one of them would have gone to Cairo and drooled I doubt...their policy was killing Iranians in Iraq not too long ago, or at least the Mullahs minions
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:12:03am |
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:13:03am |
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:13:25am |
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:16:17am |
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak blasted Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's speech on Sunday saying "Netanyahu's demand that Palestinians recognize Israel as the Jewish state is ruining the chance for peace," Egyptian news agencies reported on Monday.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Yeah because not all States can be as Liberal as Saudi Arabia now can they? Asshole!
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:16:18am |
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:18:20am |
re: #491 Nevergiveup
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak blasted Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's speech on Sunday saying "Netanyahu's demand that Palestinians recognize Israel as the Jewish state is ruining the chance for peace," Egyptian news agencies reported on Monday.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Yeah because not all States can be as Liberal as Saudi Arabia now can they? Asshole!
what a totally stupid thing to say publically....he needs to get out more
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:18:51am |
re: #487 albusteve
you thought her comment was humorous? how so?
I think it's funny that anyone would think Judy Miller is a credible source, given her -- shall we say, 'troubled'? -- journalistic history.
And that's all I will say about it. Hey, maybe she's right on this-- broken clocks, twice a day, etc. If she turns out to be right I'll admit it.
But there's reason to take anything she says with a bushel of salt, not a grain. Alas.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:20:03am |
McCain on Panetta: He's crossed the line and he knows better. He should retract immediately. Morale is not at an all-time high at the CIA.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:20:15am |
re: #491 Nevergiveup
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak blasted Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's speech on Sunday saying "Netanyahu's demand that Palestinians recognize Israel as the Jewish state is ruining the chance for peace," Egyptian news agencies reported on Monday.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Yeah because not all States can be as Liberal as Saudi Arabia now can they? Asshole!
Even if Israel did not exist anymore there would not be peace in the region. However if the US were to let the leash off of Israel she could beat the Arab world into submission.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:21:10am |
re: #495 MandyManners
McCain looks better every day 0 is in office.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:21:12am |
stating the obvious for BO the air head...
Netanyahu said yesterday that the problem isn't his objection to a Palestinian state, but the Arab refusal to recognize one of those states as the homeland of the Jewish people.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:22:18am |
re: #494 iceweasel
I think it's funny that anyone would think Judy Miller is a credible source, given her -- shall we say, 'troubled'? -- journalistic history.
And that's all I will say about it. Hey, maybe she's right on this-- broken clocks, twice a day, etc. If she turns out to be right I'll admit it.
But there's reason to take anything she says with a bushel of salt, not a grain. Alas.
pretty shallow not to judge the merit of her post...that works both ways
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:22:42am |
Anything interesting happen yesterday, I had to go out and I was also sick and tired of hearing about tea parties and the DHS stuff.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:24:00am |
re: #500 Nevergiveup
Anything interesting happen yesterday, I had to go out and I was also sick and tired of hearing about tea parties and the DHS stuff.
We had a nice test of the new "private" thread feature.
Lots of people keeping us updated about Iran from what they saw on Twitter.
That was late yesterday evening. Don't know what's happened since then.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:24:01am |
re: #498 albusteve
stating the obvious for BO the air head...
Netanyahu said yesterday that the problem isn't his objection to a Palestinian state, but the Arab refusal to recognize one of those states as the homeland of the Jewish people.[Link: www.nypost.com...]
Come on now, 0 is having a tough time today, he predicted the Lakers in 6 and they did it in 5. Someone in the organization will have to pay and he needs to figure out who soon.
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rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:24:09am |
re: #500 Nevergiveup
I had a great weekend, I stayed away from all that nonsense. It seems as if you drive within 20 miles of a tea party, you are a PAULIAN!
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:25:26am |
former US President Jimmy Carter express similar sentiments that demand to recognize Israel as Jewish state may torpedo chance for peace.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Well Jimmah formally announcing his allegiance to the Palestinians, no big shocka here. An Asshole is an Asshole is an Asshole.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:25:34am |
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:25:58am |
re: #501 reine.de.tout
We had a nice test of the new "private" thread feature.
Lots of people keeping us updated about Iran from what they saw on Twitter.That was late yesterday evening. Don't know what's happened since then.
OK what's the private thread feature?
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:26:01am |
re: #499 albusteve
pretty shallow not to judge the merit of her post...that works both ways
Her post is opinion, not fact. I've said she could turn out to be right; anything's possible.
I've also pointed out that her extensive history of being wrong and being a shill predisposes anyone sensible against taking her claims without that bushel of salt.
You didn't recognise her name; no harm in that, but don't hate on me because I did.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:26:18am |
re: #502 soxfan4life
Come on now, 0 is having a tough time today, he predicted the Lakers in 6 and they did it in 5. Someone in the organization will have to pay and he needs to figure out who soon.
gotta hone his ballin cred
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:28:02am |
re: #509 albusteve
gotta hone his ballin cred
Jerry Buss will have to make a several donations to 0's campaign chest. George Soros has already given him the details on how to keep all donations under the radar.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:28:19am |
re: #508 iceweasel
Her post is opinion, not fact. I've said she could turn out to be right; anything's possible.
I've also pointed out that her extensive history of being wrong and being a shill predisposes anyone sensible against taking her claims without that bushel of salt.
You didn't recognise her name; no harm in that, but don't hate on me because I did.
don't be ridiculous...get off your high horse...your condescending ego is out of control
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:28:51am |
re: #506 soxfan4life
I wish Rudy was Secretary of State.
You can't really mean that?
I can see why someone might prefer McCain to be POTUS -- but rudy as sec of state?
Are you joking and I'm not getting it? Forgive me.
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razorbacker Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:29:02am |
'Morning Homies.
I've got a half-hour before the neighbor shows up; I thought I'd share a thought experiment to demonstrate the dangers of not considering how words mean different things to different people.
A PalinPAC spokeswoman, Ms. Stapleton, said "Plus it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman". Ann Althouse tells me that Ms. Stapleton meant that David Letterman, aged buffoon that he is, would try to sexually molest the young Palin daughter. Now that she has explained it, I see clearly what was meant.
But, until now, that had never occurred to me. When I first heard it, I assumed that the meaning was akin to what I would have meant had I said it regarding my daughter and some aged would-be Lothario. 'Cause from what I've seen, the girl would be on the 'joker' like the Angel of Death, with blood in her eye and mayhem on her heart, intent on ripping off the dude's head and crapping down his bloody neck.
I thought the intent was to protect Letterman from Willow, not to protect Willow from Letterman.
I guess it depends on how you see women. I see them as fully functioning members of society and thus capable of inflicting their own pain upon idjits.
But now I see the other view.
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rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:29:17am |
re: #510 soxfan4life 10,000 seperate 50 dollar donations to avoid his name on hte ledger but still letting him show his support for the Cause?
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:31:43am |
re: #512 iceweasel
You can't really mean that?
I can see why someone might prefer McCain to be POTUS -- but rudy as sec of state?
Are you joking and I'm not getting it? Forgive me.
As opposed to the new and totally spineless Hillary Rodham Clinton, anyone would be better. I am not sure what 0bama did to her in private, maybe he sicked WAB on her.
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SteveC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:32:13am |
That was easier than I thought - figured that phone call would turn into a screamfest, but went pretty smoothly.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:32:38am |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:32:42am |
re: #507 Nevergiveup
OK what's the private thread feature?
Look a couple of threads down.
You click the "spy" button for the thread (not the general "spy) - charles tested a "privacy" feature for the thread, only logged - in posters can see it.
Also on any thread now, if you click the thread spy, you can post while in spy and watch the thread go by. Cool. Two ways to view.
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rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:33:12am |
re: #513 razorbacker
ll if you had a 14 year old daughter and some old lech made sexual comments about her wouldn't you concider it wise to keep her away from him? The comment came from Sarah's spokesman so was probably the nice way to say what Sarah and The Dude actually said in reference to it.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:33:50am |
re: #512 iceweasel
You can't really mean that?
I can see why someone might prefer McCain to be POTUS -- but rudy as sec of state?
Are you joking and I'm not getting it? Forgive me.
correct, you are not getting it....what a bitchy reply
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:34:27am |
re: #517 MandyManners
Truth be told, I would have liked President Romney, but 0bama is making President Joe Biden look like a better choice for the US every day.
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rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:34:34am |
re: #512 iceweasel
Hell I'd rather a President Rudy than Sec State Rudy, or a President McCain but I'd take Sec State Rudy over Shrillary even if he'd recently been lobotomized.
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haakondahl Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:35:02am |
re: #451 3 wood
Could be, but they would be wise not to look to Obama for any help.
You might very well think that.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:35:48am |
re: #515 soxfan4life
As opposed to the new and totally spineless Hillary Rodham Clinton, anyone would be better. I am not sure what 0bama did to her in private, maybe he sicked WAB on her.
I see what you mean. I don't know what is up with Hillary.
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brucee Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:36:18am |
"Fawzi Barhoum, spokesman for Hamas, the militant Palestinian movement backed by Iran, welcomed the results. He urged the world to respect Iranian democracy and accept the results of the elections."
We can haz continued supply of wepenz and cash plz?
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rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:36:44am |
re: #521 soxfan4life
Truth be told right now I'd perfer Mitt in Treasury fixing the economy not in the White house drowned in other BS.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:36:50am |
re: #526 iceweasel
I see what you mean. I don't know what is up with Hillary.
Michelle locked her balls up right along side Baracks. The bigger set belongs to Hillary.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:37:44am |
re: #526 iceweasel
I see what you mean. I don't know what is up with Hillary.
she's incompetent and way over her head...the Peter Principle expressed perfectly...she is now a national liability
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rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:37:49am |
re: #529 soxfan4life The big brass set is Hillary's the little styrofoam ones belong to Barry.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:37:50am |
re: #520 albusteve
correct, you are not getting it....what a bitchy reply
Pot, meet kettle. Pot has just called kettle a bitch, in the course of accusing her of acting "bitchy".
Interesting.
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SteveC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:37:54am |
re: #529 soxfan4life
Michelle locked her balls up right along side Baracks. The bigger set belongs to Hillary.
Day-um!
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razorbacker Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:38:13am |
re: #519 rustler
ll if you had a 14 year old daughter and some old lech made sexual comments about her wouldn't you concider it wise to keep her away from him? The comment came from Sarah's spokesman so was probably the nice way to say what Sarah and The Dude actually said in reference to it.
No, that is what I'm saying. When my daughter was 14 she already was 5'7" of tanned, toned, muscle-with-an-attitude. Had some old lech made such a comment, I'd have held my daughter back, so she wouldn't have gotten in trouble with the po-po for hurting the old lech.
But now I see the other view. It is all in how you look at the world. I'm late to the party a lot.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:38:15am |
re: #528 rustler
Truth be told right now I'd perfer Mitt in Treasury fixing the economy not in the White house drowned in other BS.
Had McCain come out and said he was appointing Mitt to Treasury and others to different posts while campaigning it would have been a huge feather in his cap.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:39:03am |
re: #532 iceweasel
Pot, meet kettle. Pot has just called kettle a bitch, in the course of accusing her of acting "bitchy".
Interesting.
show me....go back and read your own post
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:39:37am |
re: #531 rustler
The big brass set is Hillary's the little styrofoam ones belong to Barry.
I didn't know styrofoam could shrivel up.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:40:29am |
re: #526 iceweasel
I see what you mean. I don't know what is up with Hillary.
She got bamboozled into taking a Job with no power and most of her responsibilities have been reassigned to "special envoys". She got snookered. Hosted on her on petard. Anyway you want to say it she got F..cked.
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rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:41:01am |
re: #534 razorbacker I'd be fine with having someone else hold her back but if some jackass had made that comment about my blood someone would have had to be holding me back because I damn sure would have beat her to shutting him up.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:41:18am |
re: #538 Nevergiveup
She got bamboozled into taking a Job with no power and most of her responsibilities have been reassigned to "special envoys". She got snookered. Hosted on her on petard. Anyway you want to say it she got F..cked.
She was stupid to not see it coming.
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:41:24am |
re: #17 Fenway_Nation
From the 'I hope there's a special place in hell for sick fucks like this' department.
I don't even hope this sick fuck gets help....I hope he gets an honest-to-goodness grown-up prison term and becomes somebody's ass-bitch for the duration.
I predict the liberal media will turn this little animal-torturing a-hole into a victim.
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SteveC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:41:46am |
re: #538 Nevergiveup
Anyway you want to say it she got F..cked.
Noooooo, you didn't go there. It's too soon after breakfast to be contemplating such things.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:42:06am |
re: #540 soxfan4life
She was stupid to not see it coming.
Absolutely. I am actually shocked she didn't see it coming or Bill?
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:42:22am |
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:42:35am |
re: #542 SteveC
Noooooo, you didn't go there. It's too soon after breakfast to be contemplating such things.
Sorry. Your right. My bad.
| 546 |
rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:42:47am |
re: #541 FrogMarch
I can see it now his father spanked him when he was 3 and that terrible abuse leaves a life long impression. When in reality his parent probably should have disciplined(not beat but disciplined) him more.
| 547 |
SteveC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:43:03am |
re: #543 Nevergiveup
Absolutely. I am actually shocked she didn't see it coming or Bill?
Perhaps (GASP!) she's not as bright as we have been led to believe! Who'da thunk it?
| 548 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:43:18am |
re: #538 Nevergiveup
She got bamboozled into taking a Job with no power and most of her responsibilities have been reassigned to "special envoys". She got snookered. Hosted on her on petard. Anyway you want to say it she got F..cked.
She got reamed. I don't know what other choice she had though at that point. He offered her SoS; the Senate seat was gone.... yeah, I think she got a raw deal.
| 549 |
rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:43:36am |
re: #546 rustler
I say Parent because I'm pretty sure I read he was a child in a broken home because his parents were divorced.
| 550 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:44:01am |
re: #547 SteveC
Perhaps (GASP!) she's not as bright as we have been led to believe! Who'da thunk it?
She was the one that raised public doubt about 0bama's ability to lead. She did get that right.
| 551 |
FrogMarch Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:44:05am |
re: #546 rustler
I can see it now his father spanked him when he was 3 and that terrible abuse leaves a life long impression. When in reality his parent probably should have disciplined(not beat but disciplined) him more.
Up next on: Oprah, Matt Lauer, Diane Sawyer etal...
| 552 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:44:25am |
nice little buzz for Palin fans....
[Link: www.adn.com...]
| 553 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:44:25am |
Last update - 12:10 15/06/2009
Why is Dennis Ross being ousted as Obama envoy to Iran?
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
As much as I do not really like Ross, he was the best of a bad lot.
| 554 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:45:29am |
re: #548 iceweasel
She got reamed. I don't know what other choice she had though at that point. He offered her SoS; the Senate seat was gone.... yeah, I think she got a raw deal.
Ah Ha? Why was the Senate seat gone? She was a lock in her Senate Seat and moving up in the Seniority? What are you talking about?
| 555 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:45:49am |
re: #551 FrogMarch
Up next on: Oprah, Matt Lauer, Diane Sawyer etal...
How this poor innocent victim of "No Child Left Behind" became an animal torturer, and how it is Dick Cheney's fault.
| 556 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:46:03am |
re: #548 iceweasel
She got reamed. I don't know what other choice she had though at that point. He offered her SoS; the Senate seat was gone.... yeah, I think she got a raw deal.
raw deal?....hahaha!....she was a senior senator that was seeing stars and stepped into the shit...she did it to herself
| 557 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:46:56am |
re: #556 albusteve
raw deal?....hahaha!....she was a senior senator that was seeing stars and stepped into the shit...she did it to herself
I think iceweasel is a tad confused.
| 558 |
Rancher Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:47:20am |
re: #17 Fenway_Nation
From the 'I hope there's a special place in hell for sick fucks like this' department.
I don't even hope this sick fuck gets help....I hope he gets an honest-to-goodness grown-up prison term and becomes somebody's ass-bitch for the duration.
some wondered if humans could have been the next target.
Eventually.
| 559 |
SteveC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:47:38am |
re: #556 albusteve
raw deal?....hahaha!....she was a senior senator that was seeing stars and stepped into the shit...she did it to herself
"scored an own goal" at my soccer loving friends might say.
| 560 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:48:29am |
re: #554 Nevergiveup
Ah Ha? Why was the Senate seat gone? She was a lock in her Senate Seat and moving up in the Seniority? What are you talking about?
she should have stayed put, and the fact that she didn't exposes her for a power grabbing liberal rather than a servant of her state...which she carpetbagged in the first place....you knew that tho
| 561 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:49:22am |
re: #560 albusteve
she should have stayed put, and the fact that she didn't exposes her for a power grabbing liberal rather than a servant of her state...which she carpetbagged in the first place....you knew that tho
Is there any other kind?
| 562 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:49:40am |
re: #559 SteveC
"scored an own goal" at my soccer loving friends might say.
political whore...nothing more
| 563 |
razorbacker Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:50:59am |
re: #539 rustler
Yep.
It is funny how different people see the same situation. When I think of Letterman, I have a mental image of some doddering old fool, long past his physical and intellectual prime, reduced to mental masturbation at the thought of his moral and mental betters.
In other words, an object of amused contempt.
Since the antics of TV personalities are of no consequence to me, I lose sight of the fact that those TV stars are actually relevant to so many others.
It would be like thinking Sean Penn was a moral compass, or looking to Tom Cruise for advice on childhood vaccination. Just not what I'd do.
| 564 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:51:08am |
| 565 |
rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:51:23am |
re: #548 iceweasel She had her Senate seat until she gave it up for Sec State. She didn't take Sec State because it was all that was left to her. She took it likely in hopes of pinning something on Obama to make her 2012's candidate but underestimated his deviousness.
| 566 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:51:43am |
re: #554 Nevergiveup
Ah Ha? Why was the Senate seat gone? She was a lock in her Senate Seat and moving up in the Seniority? What are you talking about?
Just that she'd been considered the anointed candidate for 2008 for so long; everyone expected it. Then the dem campaign was so drawn out and she wound up so much in debt---
I don't know but I imagine that it would have been especially humiliating t go back to her old position. I think she was almost bound to take any position Obama offered her.
| 567 |
SteveC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:52:12am |
re: #561 soxfan4life
Is there any other kind?
I've read legends and tales of good people who would serve honorably and not see their office as a stepping stone to greater levels of power.
But that was long ago, and most of that kind are dead now.
| 568 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:52:47am |
re: #565 rustler
She had her Senate seat until she gave it up for Sec State. She didn't take Sec State because it was all that was left to her. She took it likely in hopes of pinning something on Obama to make her 2012's candidate but underestimated his deviousness.
I don't think she was planning a run in 2012, but in 2016.
| 569 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:53:08am |
re: #566 iceweasel
Just that she'd been considered the anointed candidate for 2008 for so long; everyone expected it. Then the dem campaign was so drawn out and she wound up so much in debt---
I don't know but I imagine that it would have been especially humiliating t go back to her old position. I think she was almost bound to take any position Obama offered her.
bound by what?...senators are pretty powerful people
| 570 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:53:53am |
re: #566 iceweasel
Just that she'd been considered the anointed candidate for 2008 for so long; everyone expected it. Then the dem campaign was so drawn out and she wound up so much in debt---
I don't know but I imagine that it would have been especially humiliating t go back to her old position. I think she was almost bound to take any position Obama offered her.
Sorry I think your analysis is way off base
| 571 |
rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:53:57am |
re: #568 iceweasel
She'll be unelectable in 2016 due to her age.
| 572 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:55:00am |
re: #569 albusteve
bound by what?...senators are pretty powerful people
As she is finding out more powerful that Secretary of State.
| 573 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:55:06am |
re: #566 iceweasel
Just that she'd been considered the anointed candidate for 2008 for so long; everyone expected it. Then the dem campaign was so drawn out and she wound up so much in debt---
I don't know but I imagine that it would have been especially humiliating t go back to her old position. I think she was almost bound to take any position Obama offered her.
Not sure it would be particularly humiliating to go back to being a Senator. I never did quite figure out why she took the SOS position, except perhaps to get some Exec Branch experience.
| 574 |
Rancher Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:55:28am |
re: #553 Nevergiveup
Last update - 12:10 15/06/2009
Why is Dennis Ross being ousted as Obama envoy to Iran?
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
As much as I do not really like Ross, he was the best of a bad lot.
From the article:
Ross, who co-wrote the book with David Makovsky, a former journalist who is a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, argued against a linkage between the Palestinian issue and the West's policy against Iran's nuclear ambitions.
I didn't know the idiots in the Hope administration made such linkage. How does that work? Leave the West Bank or we let Iran get the bomb?
| 575 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:55:53am |
re: #550 soxfan4life
She was the one that raised public doubt about 0bama's ability to lead. She did get that right.
Well, that's one reason why anyone with any brains knows the nirther stuff has to be bullshit; all the most damaging info on Obama would have been dug up long ago and not by republicans or bloggers, but by the HRC campaign.
| 576 |
rustler Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:56:36am |
re: #572 soxfan4life Only in an Obama Administration where all the Old Sec State duties are fulfilled by special envoys.
| 577 |
rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:57:13am |
A beautiful blond from Dublin arrived at the casino and bet twenty-thousand dollars on a single roll of the dice. She said, 'I hope you
don't mind, but I feel much luckier when I'm completely nude.'
With that, she stripped from the neck down, rolled the dice and yelled,
'Come on, baby, Mama needs new clothes!' As the dice came to a stop, she jumped up and down and squealed 'YES YES, I WON, I WON!'
She hugged each of the dealers and then picked up her winnings and her
clothes and quickly departed. The dealers stared at each other dumbfounded. Finally, one of them asked, 'What did she roll?' The other answered, 'I don't know - I thought you were watching.
MORAL OF THE STORY
Not all Irish are honest. Not all blondes are dumb. But all men are men
| 578 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:57:13am |
re: #573 reine.de.tout
Wasn't too humiliating for John McCain or John Kerry. Nor would it have been for Barack Obama or Joe Biden.
| 579 |
razorbacker Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:57:38am |
I see that he's early.
Gotta go. Y'all have a nice day. Or not. Whichever you prefer.
| 580 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:58:00am |
re: #572 soxfan4life
As she is finding out more powerful that Secretary of State.
senators, especially ranking ones are the few elite than can tell a president to fuck off
| 581 |
SteveC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:58:02am |
re: #576 rustler
Only in an Obama Administration where all the Old Sec State duties are fulfilled by special envoys.
Can you say "I don't trust you!" any louder?
| 582 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:58:39am |
re: #573 reine.de.tout
Not sure it would be particularly humiliating to go back to being a Senator. I never did quite figure out why she took the SOS position, except perhaps to get some Exec Branch experience.
I assume she's doing it to position herself for a potential 2016 run.
Also just sheer ambition. Why stop at senator if you can be SoS? And why not position yourself to be a female VP even if you'll never make it all the way to be POTUS?
Hillary has ambition and wants to achieve. Good for her.
| 583 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:58:44am |
re: #575 iceweasel
Well, that's one reason why anyone with any brains knows the nirther stuff has to be bullshit; all the most damaging info on Obama would have been dug up long ago and not by republicans or bloggers, but by the HRC campaign.
Exactly, the Clintons could have taught down and dirty politics to Karl Rove.
| 584 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:59:07am |
Oh, boy.
Twitter's busy this morning with updates from Iran.
PersianKiwi:
am being told that there are injured students stuck in Tehan dorms. surrounded by baseej. #Iranelection
StopAhamadi:
I believe many so-called "Ahmadinejad supporters" are paid.. cannot show proof though. #iranelection
Iran09:
RT: @oxfordgirl: Tehran Uni and Shiraz Uni apparently surrounded by 'black cloud' of Basij troops. #Iranelection
| 585 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 5:59:55am |
re: #575 iceweasel
Well, that's one reason why anyone with any brains knows the nirther stuff has to be bullshit; all the most damaging info on Obama would have been dug up long ago and not by republicans or bloggers, but by the HRC campaign.
Now, that I can agree with.
| 586 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:00:00am |
re: #582 iceweasel
I assume she's doing it to position herself for a potential 2016 run.
Also just sheer ambition. Why stop at senator if you can be SoS? And why not position yourself to be a female VP even if you'll never make it all the way to be POTUS?
Hillary has ambition and wants to achieve. Good for her.
she certainly miscalculated the power of senior senator vs SoS....what a rube
| 587 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:00:12am |
re: #582 iceweasel
I assume she's doing it to position herself for a potential 2016 run.
Also just sheer ambition. Why stop at senator if you can be SoS? And why not position yourself to be a female VP even if you'll never make it all the way to be POTUS?
Hillary has ambition and wants to achieve. Good for her.
Ever hear the expression ass backwards?
| 588 |
rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:00:13am |
re: #584 reine.de.tout
Which one will start a weblog titled, "The daily pers"?
| 589 |
Ojoe Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:00:20am |
THis Morning's Towercam Sunrise. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.
Courtesy of the Astronomers at UCLA.
Good Morning All.
| 591 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:01:13am |
re: #582 iceweasel
I assume she's doing it to position herself for a potential 2016 run.
Also just sheer ambition. Why stop at senator if you can be SoS? And why not position yourself to be a female VP even if you'll never make it all the way to be POTUS?
Hillary has ambition and wants to achieve. Good for her.
No disagreement from me about Hillary's ambition.
But Senator is an independent position, whereas SOS is beholden to the Pres. I just always figured Hillary as an independent, "do it my way" kind of person.
| 592 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:02:07am |
re: #587 Nevergiveup
Ever hear the expression ass backwards?
need my calculator to figure out how many SoS move up to POTUS!....this could take awhile
| 593 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:02:17am |
re: #587 Nevergiveup
Ever hear the expression ass backwards?
Can you see the campaign speeches now Hillary will be ranting about the failed policies of the last Administration, which she just happened to be a part of.
| 594 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:03:13am |
re: #592 albusteve
need my calculator to figure out how many SoS move up to POTUS!....this could take awhile
Wasn't Thomas Jefferson the last to do it?
| 595 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:03:57am |
re: #591 reine.de.tout
No disagreement from me about Hillary's ambition.
But Senator is an independent position, whereas SOS is beholden to the Pres. I just always figured Hillary as an independent, "do it my way" kind of person.
senior senator from NY is a prize beyond value....HC is far less than the razor sharp political wiz people think she is...she is basically a hack
| 596 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:04:39am |
Iran09 to StopAhmadi:
@StopAhmadi, Please do something useful for your ppl and country, instead of attacking me here. What's your problem? #iranelection
The twitterers are on edge, it appears.
| 597 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:04:45am |
re: #594 soxfan4life
Wasn't Thomas Jefferson the last to do it?
don't bother me...wait how much is 23+17....hold on
| 598 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:05:01am |
| 599 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:05:08am |
re: #583 soxfan4life
Exactly, the Clintons could have taught down and dirty politics to Karl Rove.
It's a bit astonishing. If there really were anything unsavory in Obama's background all of that would have come out LONG ago, via HRC's operatives and connections with the media.
the media certainly loved Obama more than Hillary, -- but they used to adore McCain. Me, if I'd been in the HRC campaign and had dirt on Obama and couldn't get it out there? I'd give it to McCain operatives. They'd have the press connections the HRC campaign didn't. (I'm talking back in the beginning of 2008).
That absolutely would have happened, if there had been any major dirt to put out.
| 600 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:05:10am |
re: #595 albusteve
senior senator from NY is a prize beyond value....HC is far less than the razor sharp political wiz people think she is...she is basically a hack
Doesn't that describe all of our current politicians?
| 601 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:05:25am |
re: #594 soxfan4life
actually I don't know...sounds right tho
| 602 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:07:04am |
re: #599 iceweasel
It's a bit astonishing. If there really were anything unsavory in Obama's background all of that would have come out LONG ago, via HRC's operatives and connections with the media.
the media certainly loved Obama more than Hillary, -- but they used to adore McCain. Me, if I'd been in the HRC campaign and had dirt on Obama and couldn't get it out there? I'd give it to McCain operatives. They'd have the press connections the HRC campaign didn't. (I'm talking back in the beginning of 2008).
That absolutely would have happened, if there had been any major dirt to put out.
The media only loved McCain because they knew he could not win the general. Did you notice the change in tone they took on after 0bama's coronation speech in Denver?
| 603 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:07:46am |
re: #600 soxfan4life
Doesn't that describe all of our current politicians?
most or at least a wide majority...
I hate the feds
| 604 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:08:21am |
re: #596 reine.de.tout
Iran09 to StopAhmadi:
The twitterers are on edge, it appears.
Wow, that's interesting! Given that Iran09 has one of the best and most useful twitter acct's and StopAhmadi is supposed to be the dedicated opposition acct...
Have to say I've found Iran09 way more reliable over the last day or so that I've been watching both.
| 605 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:08:59am |
re: #586 albusteve
she certainly miscalculated the power of senior senator vs SoS....what a rube
Had she turned it down thee ws rumblings about a certain Winter Senator from MA being interested in the job.
| 606 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:10:06am |
Dozens of butterflies greeted me when I walked out to get the paper. The soft and wet air was filled with the perfume of flowers and the songs of birds. When I bent down to get the paper, a fowl stench smacked me up-side my head: the neighbor had allowed one of his dogs out early this morning and the big brute pooped in one of my flower-beds.
I'm plotting what to do. Should I call him AGAIN? Should I mail it to him? Should I do the flaming-bag-o'-poop on his front porch? Should I put it on his drive?
Why call? He knows what he's doing is illegal. (He's an attorney who was defeated in a judicial election and then in a congressional election.)
It's probably illegal to mail poop.
It's probably illegal to set a bag of poop on fire on someone's porch. Besides, he lives far back from the road (not as far as I do) so it'd be hard to get out of Dodge once I rang the doorbell.
I think I'll put it on his drive and hope the wheels on his freakin' Kompressor pick it up and sling it all over the underside of his car.
| 607 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:10:10am |
re: #603 albusteve
most or at least a wide majority...
I hate the feds
What out KT might rat you out to the HomeLandSercuity and have them put your name in the DHS report?
| 608 |
Lincolntf Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:10:15am |
Morning all.
I see the fans in LA carried on the tradition of acting like absolute fools after the Lakers victory. Sports celebrations by way of destruction are something that I've never understood.
| 609 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:15:02am |
re: #598 Nevergiveup
Russian Oil Magnate Launches $490 Million Luxury Yacht
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
James Bond?
I wonder if Abramovich has a suite designed for Putin, his bestest bud.
| 610 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:15:43am |
re: #607 Nevergiveup
What out KT might rat you out to the HomeLandSercuity and have them put your name in the DHS report?
I'm only a threat to myself....at least that's what my wives used to tell me
| 611 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:16:26am |
re: #591 reine.de.tout
No disagreement from me about Hillary's ambition.
But Senator is an independent position, whereas SOS is beholden to the Pres. I just always figured Hillary as an independent, "do it my way" kind of person.
Hmm, here is where we diverge....I think Hillary is always conscious of her status as a woman in politics, not merely as a person in politics. Consequently I think she'd strive to achieve a position like "first female VP" -- even though as VP you can wind up doing nothing but being sent to the funerals of minor foriegn dignitaries.
this is similar to the kind of challenge that many ambitious women face when breaking into fields that are male dominated. It's often not enough to gain a job where you exert power; you want to acheive the highest possible status within that field, even if it means (ironically) that you might really have less power on a day to day level.
Hope that makes sense.
| 612 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:16:31am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the situation in Iran remains fluid, and the Obama Administration is still figuring out what to do next. What actions and statements they make over the next few days could have tremendous consequences for the Iranians. A statement in support of the protesters could give them new life and a statement accepting Ahmadinejad as leader would give the regime carte blanche to go after the opposition.
| 614 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:18:17am |
re: #612 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the situation in Iran remains fluid, and the Obama Administration is still figuring out what to do next. What actions and statements they make over the next few days could have tremendous consequences for the Iranians. A statement in support of the protesters could give them new life and a statement accepting Ahmadinejad as leader would give the regime carte blanche to go after the opposition.
On the other hand a statement of support from Obama could cause the Mullahs to crack down harder? I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying we really don't know what is going on over there.
| 615 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:18:23am |
re: #605 soxfan4life
Had she turned it down thee ws rumblings about a certain Winter Senator from MA being interested in the job.
he might have been interested, but it would have been a cold day in hell before Obama would have offered it to him!
| 616 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:18:40am |
re: #610 albusteve
I'm only a threat to myself....at least that's what my wives used to tell me
"Here hun, hold my beer."
| 617 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:19:39am |
| 618 |
FrogMarch Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:19:41am |
So I see Obama is in full "Blame Bush for the economy" mode.
You wanted the job, Obama, - stop whining and stop digging the hole. Fix Medicare before you slam us with more Hugo Chavez-esque tax-everyone-to death-to-pay-for-it social engineering. And stop the crap about "Pay-as-you-go". It's insulting.
No can do. Obama learned all he needed in hate-church and from his left-wing pals during is community organizing days. Simply smother all the bad old socialist ideas with Orwellian semantic buzz words - make the kidz swoon with a nice sounding fence straddling speech.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:19:52am |
| 620 |
realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:20:06am |
Good morning y'all - from a hot (72 degrees going up to 86 degrees with T-Storms predicted again).
Hope everyone is doing well.
I'm gonna have to be gone fairly shortly (an hour maybe) and will be out all day at mom's doc, my internist, dentist and possibley a double team at denitist's office.
I understand from Rueters that Iran has banned the protest rally planned for today saying it would treat anyone who attended as being guilty of sedition. And apparently Mousavi intends to go anyway to "calm his supporters". Why do I feel this is going to go badly?
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:20:11am |
re: #615 iceweasel
he might have been interested, but it would have been a cold day in hell before Obama would have offered it to him!
Why?
| 623 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:20:58am |
| 624 |
haakondahl Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:21:03am |
re: #606 MandyManners
Dozens of butterflies greeted me when I walked out to get the paper. The soft and wet air was filled with the perfume of flowers and the songs of birds. When I bent down to get the paper, a fowl stench smacked me up-side my head: the neighbor had allowed one of his dogs out early this morning and the big brute pooped in one of my flower-beds.
I'm plotting what to do. Should I call him AGAIN? Should I mail it to him? Should I do the flaming-bag-o'-poop on his front porch? Should I put it on his drive?
Why call? He knows what he's doing is illegal. (He's an attorney who was defeated in a judicial election and then in a congressional election.)
It's probably illegal to mail poop.
It's probably illegal to set a bag of poop on fire on someone's porch. Besides, he lives far back from the road (not as far as I do) so it'd be hard to get out of Dodge once I rang the doorbell.
I think I'll put it on his drive and hope the wheels on his freakin' Kompressor pick it up and sling it all over the underside of his car.
I suppose there's nothing wrong with returning his mislaid property. If it were a wallet, you would ring the doorbell and hand it to him. The only difference I see is that this will require a baggie. And when he balks, remind him that if it were a his wallet, he would be thanking you. Be prepared to carry the poo back to your house, but will probably be the last time you see it. And maybe go over with that horse-breeding fellow.
Dexter-style.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:22:28am |
re: #622 FrogMarch
Find a way to get it into his bed.
All that would do is get one of his yardmen in trouble.
| 626 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:23:19am |
Last update - 16:00 15/06/2009
EU postpones upgrading ties with Israel
By Reuters
Tags: Barack Obama
European Union foreign ministers welcomed on Monday the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's conditional endorsement of a future Palestinian state, but said it was not enough to raise EU-Israel ties to a higher level.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
The EU, irrelevant yesterday, irrelevant today, and irrelevant tomorrow.
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KenJen Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:23:35am |
re: #584 reine.de.tout
Oh, boy.
Twitter's busy this morning with updates from Iran.PersianKiwi:
Someone last Friday on the Bill Bennet radio show was saying that Iranian leadership made this election look close for a reason. Pre-election polls had it at a dead heat. He (Mark Levine-I think) said the mullahs were trying to flush out the oppositon so they can kill them.
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realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:24:32am |
re: #618 FrogMarch
Good morning - there's no way he can "fix" medicare without extracting higher user fees (and I'm now paying MORE on Medicare than I was on COBRA private insurance) or cutting reimbursements to doctors and hospitals again this year (and it already takes at least 6 months down here in N.C. to get a first time appointment with anyone if you're on Medicare). And some doctors are opting out of Medicare - hopefully not my oncologist - but I've been told by doctors that they are losing money on Medicare patients because of the paperwork and low rate of reimbursement now.
Think of it this way - if any of y'all have friends or FAMILY on Medicare, anything Obama does to "fix it" is gonna hurt them or you DEEPLY.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:24:39am |
re: #606 MandyManners
Im updinging you for the poetic quality of your writing there and my sympathy for your situation.
Ugh, How horrible. I don't know about the legality of this, but what if everytime you find his dog's poo on your lawn you scoop it and either leave it on HIS lawn or dump it on his front porch/steps/sidewalk?
That's what I would do anyway. I notice this often works with people. After you've tried explaining to them politely why some action is upsetting, and then telling them less politely that you're really upset when they do whatever it is -- just stop talking about it and do to them what they're doing to you.
It's amazing how quickly that works. It's like behavioural conditioning.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:24:40am |
re: #624 haakondahl
I suppose there's nothing wrong with returning his mislaid property. If it were a wallet, you would ring the doorbell and hand it to him. The only difference I see is that this will require a baggie. And when he balks, remind him that if it were a his wallet, he would be thanking you. Be prepared to carry the poo back to your house, but will probably be the last time you see it. And maybe go over with that horse-breeding fellow.
Dexter-style.
Now, that would be extremely assertive. I think I'd rather he get it all over the underside of his Kompressor. Yes, I know I'm P/A.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:24:59am |
re: #615 iceweasel
he might have been interested, but it would have been a cold day in hell before Obama would have offered it to him!
again...why are you so sure of this?
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KenJen Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:25:28am |
re: #606 MandyManners
Dozens of butterflies greeted me when I walked out to get the paper. The soft and wet air was filled with the perfume of flowers and the songs of birds. When I bent down to get the paper, a fowl stench smacked me up-side my head: the neighbor had allowed one of his dogs out early this morning and the big brute pooped in one of my flower-beds.
I'm plotting what to do. Should I call him AGAIN? Should I mail it to him? Should I do the flaming-bag-o'-poop on his front porch? Should I put it on his drive?
Why call? He knows what he's doing is illegal. (He's an attorney who was defeated in a judicial election and then in a congressional election.)
It's probably illegal to mail poop.
It's probably illegal to set a bag of poop on fire on someone's porch. Besides, he lives far back from the road (not as far as I do) so it'd be hard to get out of Dodge once I rang the doorbell.
I think I'll put it on his drive and hope the wheels on his freakin' Kompressor pick it up and sling it all over the underside of his car.
Drop it on his porch. It's not illegal to return his property to him.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:26:05am |
re: #632 KenJen
Drop it on his porch. It's not illegal to return his property to him.
even neighborly
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:26:26am |
re: #630 MandyManners
Now, that would be extremely assertive. I think I'd rather he get it all over the underside of his Kompressor. Yes, I know I'm P/A.
Good Morning 2M. I hope you and the kid are well.
P/A ? (Pain in the Ass)
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:27:29am |
re: #634 Erik The Red
Good Morning 2M. I hope you and the kid are well.
P/A ? (Pain in the Ass)
Perpetually Antagonistic?
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:27:30am |
re: #628 realwest
Hi Real. You made my point. Medicare is an unsustainable disaster, and most docs don't want any part of it. So Obama should fix it before he goes on to force everyone on the "single payer" disaster wagon.
(and yes - It's doubtful Obama can fix anything.)
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:28:30am |
re: #629 iceweasel
Im updinging you for the poetic quality of your writing there and my sympathy for your situation.
Ugh, How horrible. I don't know about the legality of this, but what if everytime you find his dog's poo on your lawn you scoop it and either leave it on HIS lawn or dump it on his front porch/steps/sidewalk?
That's what I would do anyway. I notice this often works with people. After you've tried explaining to them politely why some action is upsetting, and then telling them less politely that you're really upset when they do whatever it is -- just stop talking about it and do to them what they're doing to you.
It's amazing how quickly that works. It's like behavioural conditioning.
His house is set back from the road quite a bit so he would see me come up on his porch. Maybe I should start saving it in baggies in the deep-freezer, thaw them out when I have quite a bit and then dump them all on his drive, in a line across it.
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realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:29:05am |
re: #626 Nevergiveup
True, true, true BUT France (France!) and Great Britain have sharply criticized the election, said it backed Iranian opposition calls for an inquiry into the vote.
"I asked today that the investigations demanded by the opposition be carried out," French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner told reporters after discussing the election with EU colleagues.
Britain voiced concern about the impact of events in Iran on any possible international engagement with its government.
"The implications are not yet clear," said British Foreign Secretary David Miliband. "What we know is that there has been no Iranian response to the outreach that has been made by the international community, including the United States."
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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Erik The Red Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:30:16am |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:31:33am |
re: #611 iceweasel
Hmm, here is where we diverge....I think Hillary is always conscious of her status as a woman in politics, not merely as a person in politics. Consequently I think she'd strive to achieve a position like "first female VP" -- even though as VP you can wind up doing nothing but being sent to the funerals of minor foriegn dignitaries.
this is similar to the kind of challenge that many ambitious women face when breaking into fields that are male dominated. It's often not enough to gain a job where you exert power; you want to acheive the highest possible status within that field, even if it means (ironically) that you might really have less power on a day to day level.
Hope that makes sense.
You made sense. And since we are merely speculating here about her reasons for taking the position, you may be correct; however, I always saw her more as a person who wants to make a difference and would want to be "in charge" with some degree of personal power.
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realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:31:57am |
re: #627 KenJen
Made the election look close? Last I saw Dinnerjacket was credited with 62% of the vote! That would be a landslide here in the US. I think perhaps Mr. Bennett hasn't seen the election results yet.
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:31:59am |
re: #614 Nevergiveup
You're right that there's no way to know what would happen, but we do have precedence - what the Bush (41) Administration did at Tienanmen Square - and the failure to support the democracy movement meant the Chinese government were able to crack down, and have suppressed the memories of those events - purging them from Chinese history as though it didn't happen.
Iran will be sure to try to follow that path. Thwarting those efforts would go a long way to undermining the Iranian regime.
[Link: lawhawk.blogspot.com...]
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:32:37am |
From StopAhmadi:
In any case, I believe USA is being TOO neutral in this case. They need to step up n support ppl #iranelection
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:32:50am |
re: #625 MandyManners
All that would do is get one of his yardmen in trouble.
don't wanna do that. Well, you can call him again... that doens't seem to be working..
If this guy is a real jerk and you have all sorts of patience - (and if the dog is frequently taking dumps in your flowers) -- you could gather the doo doo and keep it in a tightly sealed bin until you have a large accumulation. Then take the entire bin full o-poo and dump it on his driveway. ;-)
Depends on your relationship with the neighbor.
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KenJen Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:32:58am |
re: #637 MandyManners
His house is set back from the road quite a bit so he would see me come up on his porch. Maybe I should start saving it in baggies in the deep-freezer, thaw them out when I have quite a bit and then dump them all on his drive, in a line across it.
If you really want to get the point across just start pooping in his yard.
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pingjockey Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:33:13am |
Mornin' all. I don't expect anything but platitudes about the Iranian elections. Nothing of substance.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:33:52am |
re: #644 reine.de.tout
From StopAhmadi:In any case, I believe USA is being TOO neutral in this case. They need to step up n support ppl #iranelection
the previous tweet from StopAhmadi:
One question to USA, why isn't Obama commenting anything of this? Plz @ me w/ CAPS #IranElection
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turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:34:17am |
re: #639 MandyManners
P/A = passive agressive.
Morning MM, I had a house one time where the neighbor's dog kept getting into my garden and shitting. I put up an electric fence and he got stung by it and never even came back into our yard. Either that of one good whack with a pellet gun would work, just don't let anybody catch you.
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KenJen Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:34:25am |
re: #642 realwest
Made the election look close? Last I saw Dinnerjacket was credited with 62% of the vote! That would be a landslide here in the US. I think perhaps Mr. Bennett hasn't seen the election results yet.
Maybe I didnt write that correctly. I was talking about the pre-election polls looking close.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:34:27am |
re: #638 realwest
OK, but my post was about the EU's reaction to Bibi's speech.
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pingjockey Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:35:42am |
re: #650 KenJen
I got a kick out of counting 41 million paper ballots. In two hours, they had enough counted to predict the winnah!
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turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:36:05am |
re: #642 realwest
Made the election look close? Last I saw Dinnerjacket was credited with 62% of the vote! That would be a landslide here in the US. I think perhaps Mr. Bennett hasn't seen the election results yet.
Morning real, yeah the article I read this morning said the opposition was questioning the results because of too many votes for dinnerjacket. In other words it was too much of a landslide.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:37:32am |
re: #621 Nevergiveup
Why?
because kerry was a lame duck. What's the american term? Snakebit? or something like that? -- snakebit from the start of his 2004 campaign. Hell, even dems didn't much like him for POTUS. Dems felt about him the way you all probably did about McCain-- or worse, Dems felt about kerry the way they did Dukakis or Mondale, I think. vastly reluctant to vote for him and consumed with the thought "why don't we have a better candidate?"
there was just no way in hell he had any kind of power to make such a demand, nor was there any reason to offer him any kind of power.
With Hill and SoS-- we all KNOW that was done to appease all her pissed off followers and the PUMAs. It was a way of healing the rift within the Democratic Party.
Obama HAD to offer her something substantial. The only real question is why she chose to take him up on it rather than stay a senator.
(its interesting that he didn't just fob her off with a prestigious and highly paid ambassadorship though. To me that argues that he wanted her to think she'd have a lot of power. Ambassadors don't; only money and prestige)
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:38:13am |
Two more, and then I'm gone for awhile
from PersianKiwi:
tehran is at standstill. all major routes jammed with people. #Iranelection
we do not know if foreign press are covering this. we cannot access satellites. #Iranelection
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:38:20am |
re: #649 turn
Morning MM, I had a house one time where the neighbor's dog kept getting into my garden and shitting. I put up an electric fence and he got stung by it and never even came back into our yard. Either that of one good whack with a pellet gun would work, just don't let anybody catch you.
Fencing in 10 acres with an electric fence would keep out the deer and other animals.
I'm going with the plan to dump it on his drive.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:39:57am |
John Ziegler is on Fox and made a crack about Letterman having some sort of sexual hang-up on Palin. That might be going too far but, you'd think that Letterman would remember what it's like to be the victim of a crazy stalker asshole.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:39:59am |
re: #654 iceweasel
I don't get your reasoning at all. After Obama was elected he didn't have to offer Hilliary anything.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:42:02am |
re: #654 iceweasel
I guess I'll just move along...good grief
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realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:42:20am |
re: #655 reine.de.tout
Didja have a chance to see my #620?!
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turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:42:37am |
re: #648 reine.de.tout
Morning reine, hey funny story. Turn was reading the LGF cookbook a little yesterday (in the bathroom - hey it's a guy thing) and got to the end of the LMAO section of comments. The very last comment on the fish pun thread was listed under calcajun IIRC and read "Despite the lure for more clever fish puns, I'm steel heading out the door. Later lizards, time to go walk the lab along the American" or something like that. I sat their wondering what the heck other lizard walks their lab along the American? Then I looked at the time of the post and it was 2:31 PM which is when turn gets off. Then I said wow what lizard not only walks their dog along the American but puts in the same hours as turn? Ha then I realized I made that comment. I was so excited I showed it to the turnwife and she said - you spelled "still" wrong. Ha!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:42:48am |
re: #654 iceweasel
because kerry was a lame duck. What's the american term? Snakebit? or something like that? -- snakebit from the start of his 2004 campaign. Hell, even dems didn't much like him for POTUS. Dems felt about him the way you all probably did about McCain-- or worse, Dems felt about kerry the way they did Dukakis or Mondale, I think. vastly reluctant to vote for him and consumed with the thought "why don't we have a better candidate?"
. . .
Iceweasel - are you "American"?
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:42:59am |
re: #658 Nevergiveup
I don't get your reasoning at all. After Obama was elected he didn't have to offer Hilliary anything.
so...how 'bout them Lakers?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:43:46am |
re: #620 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a hot (72 degrees going up to 86 degrees with T-Storms predicted again).
Hope everyone is doing well.I'm gonna have to be gone fairly shortly (an hour maybe) and will be out all day at mom's doc, my internist, dentist and possibley a double team at denitist's office.
I understand from Rueters that Iran has banned the protest rally planned for today saying it would treat anyone who attended as being guilty of sedition. And apparently Mousavi intends to go anyway to "calm his supporters". Why do I feel this is going to go badly?
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Hey, Realwest. Yes, on last night's twitter, they indicated there would be no "permit" issued for a rally, but people were going to go out anyhow.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:43:53am |
Egypt parliament gives women quota for lower house
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
The Egyptian parliament has passed a law giving women a 64 seat quota in the country's lower chamber,
But they also:
The new law also increased the total number of parliament seats to 518 - from the present 454 seats -
Hum. thats 64 seats, what a coincidence? Ain't Democracy grand?
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:43:54am |
re: #640 Erik The Red
You MM? I would never have guessed that. :)
I'm usually up-front with aggression.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:44:52am |
re: #664 albusteve
so...how 'bout them Lakers?
I missed the game but congrats to Phil Jackson. Oh and I guess that Kobe guy also.
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realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:44:58am |
re: #665 reine.de.tout
Well it your twitter messages were correct and IF Reuters is correct, today is gonna be an AWFUL DAY - worst one yet - for opponents to Dinnerjacket and the Mullahs.
God help them all.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:45:40am |
re: #662 turn
Morning reine, hey funny story. Turn was reading the LGF cookbook a little yesterday (in the bathroom - hey it's a guy thing) and got to the end of the LMAO section of comments. The very last comment on the fish pun thread was listed under calcajun IIRC and read "Despite the lure for more clever fish puns, I'm steel heading out the door. Later lizards, time to go walk the lab along the American" or something like that. I sat their wondering what the heck other lizard walks their lab along the American? Then I looked at the time of the post and it was 2:31 PM which is when turn gets off. Then I said wow what lizard not only walks their dog along the American but puts in the same hours as turn? Ha then I realized I made that comment. I was so excited I showed it to the turnwife and she said - you spelled "still" wrong. Ha!
Turn - I'm so sorry - it was not properly attributed to you? So very sorry. I will say that trying to get those comments copied, pasted and then formatted correctly was a bitch of a problem. We checked and rechecked until we were cross-eyed. Nevertheless - so sorry it was not attributed to you!
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turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:45:55am |
re: #656 MandyManners
Fencing in 10 acres with an electric fence would keep out the deer and other animals.
I'm going with the plan to dump it on his drive.
I thought it was just the flower garden you were concerned about, with 10 acres I wouldn't even sweat it.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:46:10am |
re: #666 Nevergiveup
Egypt parliament gives women quota for lower house
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
The Egyptian parliament has passed a law giving women a 64 seat quota in the country's lower chamber,
But they also:
The new law also increased the total number of parliament seats to 518 - from the present 454 seats -
Hum. thats 64 seats, what a coincidence? Ain't Democracy grand?
Those seats MUST be filled by women or, 64 is the highest number of seats that women CAN fill?
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:46:39am |
re: #665 reine.de.tout
Hey, Realwest. Yes, on last night's twitter, they indicated there would be no "permit" issued for a rally, but people were going to go out anyhow.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
looks like something is brewing
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:46:51am |
re: #637 MandyManners
His house is set back from the road quite a bit so he would see me come up on his porch. Maybe I should start saving it in baggies in the deep-freezer, thaw them out when I have quite a bit and then dump them all on his drive, in a line across it.
You could do that-- it would be funny. For me, I know I would be storing up too much resentment and hate while I was making all that room in my freezer. :) Every time I opened it and saw the baggie I'd get enraged all over again.
I'm kinda P/A myself, but at this point, since you've talked to him and it hasnt helped-- I would just automatically start scooping it when i find it and straight away flinging it over the fence or whatever onto his property.
Obviously only do this when you KNOW the poo is from his dog, etc.
I think it's pretty much certain that when he learns that "every time I let my dog poo in Mandy's lawn, I wind up cleaning the poo off my own lawn", --he'll also learn that "gee, it sucks to clean rotting poo off my lawn and I can avoid that if I just walk my fucking dog properly"
In my opinion. Hope it helps.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:46:59am |
re: #672 MandyManners
Those seats MUST be filled by women or, 64 is the highest number of seats that women CAN fill?
? I am not sure. But for sure it's a ceiling.
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Lincolntf Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:47:03am |
Not that I see every single news story that comes out, but I was a little surprised that I missed the original story about the abduction of 7 Germans in Yemen. Now three of the women have been murdered. I'm guessing it wasn't Presbyterians who did the deed.
Yemeni terror
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:47:35am |
re: #669 realwest
Well it your twitter messages were correct and IF Reuters is correct, today is gonna be an AWFUL DAY - worst one yet - for opponents to Dinnerjacket and the Mullahs.
God help them all.
Yep.
Anyone interested in following the twitters:
I use tweetdeck (I think there are others out there), and right now I have it set to filter for #iranelection, so those are the only ones I see.
YOu don't have to have several windows open to follow each person; the tweetdeck is open all by itself.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:48:14am |
re: #671 turn
I thought it was just the flower garden you were concerned about, with 10 acres I wouldn't even sweat it.
He tends to poop all over the place but, I really hate in the the flower beds. He pooped in my vegetable garden about a week ago. I am considering putting up a fence around that to keep out the bunnies and squirrels and deer, though. They love tender veggies.
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turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:49:33am |
re: #670 reine.de.tout
Turn - I'm so sorry - it was not properly attributed to you? So very sorry. I will say that trying to get those comments copied, pasted and then formatted correctly was a bitch of a problem. We checked and rechecked until we were cross-eyed. Nevertheless - so sorry it was not attributed to you!
No big deal at all, hey you guys worked your arses off on that thing. The turnwife didn't understand it was a pun comment and corrected my spelling, which I thought was funny. When I explained steel head was a fish and it was a fish pun thread she got it.. At any rate I was honored to have a comment in there.
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brucee Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:49:52am |
BBC Persian TV just showed a short clip, streets and highways were FULL of people. Hundreds of thousands are out and numbers are growing!
I'm looking for English sources...
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:50:05am |
re: #676 Lincolntf
Not that I see every single news story that comes out, but I was a little surprised that I missed the original story about the abduction of 7 Germans in Yemen. Now three of the women have been murdered. I'm guessing it wasn't Presbyterians who did the deed.
Yemeni terror
Yemeni authorities said the group included a German doctor, his wife and their three children, as well as a Briton and his South Korean wife and two other German nationals. They were all working in a hospital in Saada, the state news agency said.
They were all working in a hospital. Leads me to believe they were trying to do good. Now 3 of the women are confirmed dead.
How awful.
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realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:50:17am |
re: #677 reine.de.tout
Well I don't have Twitter - and I truly appreciate you're posting them out here.
How likely is it, reine, that you're only getting twitter messages from like three or four people as opposed to their representing millions more like them?
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:51:06am |
re: #678 MandyManners
Post a sign with recipies for Cotton Tail and Venison Roast/.......
These critters are getting SMART!
Ha!
Goodmorning all !
Hope everyones well!
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:51:08am |
re: #658 Nevergiveup
I don't get your reasoning at all. After Obama was elected he didn't have to offer Hilliary anything.
he didn't 'have' to, in the sense of no one was holding a gun to his head--but a lot of dems were damn pissed about Obama getting the nomination, and many felt Hillary had a raw deal.
He healed the party by making some concession and gesture of respect towards her. Politically speaking, he really did have to make such a gesture, if he wanted to consolidate his support.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:51:43am |
re: #674 iceweasel
You could do that-- it would be funny. For me, I know I would be storing up too much resentment and hate while I was making all that room in my freezer. :) Every time I opened it and saw the baggie I'd get enraged all over again.
I'm kinda P/A myself, but at this point, since you've talked to him and it hasnt helped-- I would just automatically start scooping it when i find it and straight away flinging it over the fence or whatever onto his property.
Obviously only do this when you KNOW the poo is from his dog, etc.I think it's pretty much certain that when he learns that "every time I let my dog poo in Mandy's lawn, I wind up cleaning the poo off my own lawn", --he'll also learn that "gee, it sucks to clean rotting poo off my lawn and I can avoid that if I just walk my fucking dog properly"
In my opinion. Hope it helps.
He lives across the road and a bit down so I'd have to have on heckuva' pitch to fling it.
I'm just gonna' start putting each pile on his drive each day it appears. I don't care if his security cameras catch me. As many Lizards have told me, THAT POOP IS HIS PROPERTY.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:51:59am |
re: #682 realwest
Well I don't have Twitter - and I truly appreciate you're posting them out here.
How likely is it, reine, that you're only getting twitter messages from like three or four people as opposed to their representing millions more like them?
I'm only getting the messages posted by the folks I'm "following", and I'm following 4.
PersianKiwi
StopAhmadi
Iran09
and one other that hasn't posted in awhile
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brucee Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:52:05am |
Two of my friends are on flights back to Iran, I hear people are leaving for Tehran from other cities of Iran too. If only Tehran falls...
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:52:11am |
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:52:35am |
re: #680 brucee
BBC Persian TV just showed a short clip, streets and highways were FULL of people. Hundreds of thousands are out and numbers are growing!
I'm looking for English sources...
Awesome, last I checked BBC pesian was still off the air...that was hours ago
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:53:27am |
re: #684 iceweasel
he didn't 'have' to, in the sense of no one was holding a gun to his head--but a lot of dems were damn pissed about Obama getting the nomination, and many felt Hillary had a raw deal.
He healed the party by making some concession and gesture of respect towards her. Politically speaking, he really did have to make such a gesture, if he wanted to consolidate his support.
Are you American? After someone gets elected he really doesn't have to worry about consolidating his support. He won. Everyone grovels at his feet.
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turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:53:55am |
re: #680 brucee
BBC Persian TV just showed a short clip, streets and highways were FULL of people. Hundreds of thousands are out and numbers are growing!
I'm looking for English sources...
Wow, one could only hope this results in the overthrow of the mullahs.
| 692 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:54:17am |
re: #687 brucee
Two of my friends are on flights back to Iran, I hear people are leaving for Tehran from other cities of Iran too. If only Tehran falls...
What?
| 693 |
Sparkizzy Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:54:38am |
re: turn
Wow, one could only hope this results in the overthrow of the mullahs.
Is that even possible?
| 694 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:54:39am |
Re-posting these two. These folks are desperately looking for a sign from the US. Will they get it, I wonder?
From StopAhmadi:
One question to USA, why isn't Obama commenting anything of this? Plz @ me w/ CAPS #IranElectionIn any case, I believe USA is being TOO neutral in this case. They need to step up n support ppl #iranelection
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:54:43am |
re: #688 MandyManners
Well, it's a start.
Well maybe, but by increasing the number of seats by 64 also, kinda waters down the meaning?
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Lincolntf Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:54:45am |
re: #681 reine.de.tout
I agree. It's an added horror that so many of the people who are abducted/murdered by Al-Qaeda and it's offshoots are doing good works.
Teachers, doctors, foreign aid workers, etc. all put themselves in danger in order to help, and all become prime targets for the psychopaths. I don't know what the German (or British/S.K.) reaction will be, but I can't imagine it'll have any effect.
| 697 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:55:00am |
re: #690 Nevergiveup
Are you American? After someone gets elected he really doesn't have to worry about consolidating his support. He won. Everyone grovels at his feet.
won't answer...some strange analysis going on there...lots of speculation as forgone conclusion...jus sayin
| 698 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:55:38am |
re: #696 Lincolntf
I agree. It's an added horror that so many of the people who are abducted/murdered by Al-Qaeda and it's offshoots are doing good works.
Teachers, doctors, foreign aid workers, etc. all put themselves in danger in order to help, and all become prime targets for the psychopaths. I don't know what the German (or British/S.K.) reaction will be, but I can't imagine it'll have any effect.
Yes.
and these folks must know the danger when they go there.
courageous people.
| 699 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:55:40am |
re: #695 Nevergiveup
Well maybe, but by increasing the number of seats by 64 also, kinda waters down the meaning?
Yes, it does.
| 700 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:55:44am |
re: #697 albusteve
Are you American? After someone gets elected he really doesn't have to worry about consolidating his support. He won. Everyone grovels at his feet.
won't answer...some strange analysis going on there...lots of speculation as forgone conclusion...jus sayin
As so with many of his posts?
| 701 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:56:13am |
re: #685 MandyManners
He lives across the road and a bit down so I'd have to have on heckuva' pitch to fling it.
I'm just gonna' start putting each pile on his drive each day it appears. I don't care if his security cameras catch me. As many Lizards have told me, THAT POOP IS HIS PROPERTY.
God, somehow that makes it even worse-- it's not just that he's right next door and lets the dogs out and is lazy, but he's across the road and down? And you've told him what theyre doing and he isn't stopping it? What an asshole.
Yes, I vote for returning the poo every day it appears. Fuck it.
| 702 |
realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:57:19am |
re: #684 iceweasel
It is more or less traditional for a political party to offer the VP spot to the #2 challenger (and remember Hillary won ALL of the big electoral vote states - except Obama's own Illinois - and by most counts a slim margin of the total popular vote in the Dem primaries. Obama woulda been smarter to have picked her for VP. As SoS she's hardly poised to run against Obama in 2012 and she'll be "too old" to run in 2016. And don't forget that Obama has some other folks working her side of the street as Sos - different "amabassadors" with different portfolios - especially with regards to the ME - further weakening her power as SoS - IMO, she shouda kept her Senate Seat.
| 703 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:57:55am |
re: #693 Sparkizzy
Probably no since they control the military and police, but I can still hope at any rate. At the very least this might result in less mettling in Iraq if they need to concentrate their security on domestic purposes because of civil unrest.
| 704 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:59:44am |
re: #690 Nevergiveup
Are you American? After someone gets elected he really doesn't have to worry about consolidating his support. He won. Everyone grovels at his feet.
Wow, it sounds like you aren't american, or at least don't understand what it is to be in a democracy and have a system of checks and balances.
fter someone gets elected he really doesn't have to worry about consolidating his support. He won. Everyone grovels at his feet
Holy cannoli batman. Maybe in the Totalitarian states of america, but fortunately that isn't how it works in the united states of america. Yeesh.
| 706 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:01:03am |
re: #704 iceweasel
Holy cannoli batman. Maybe in the Totalitarian states of america, but fortunately that isn't how it works in the united states of america. Yeesh.
Your analysis is all wrong.
| 707 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:02:17am |
re: #704 iceweasel
Holy cannoli batman. Maybe in the Totalitarian states of america, but fortunately that isn't how it works in the united states of america. Yeesh.
it's because of this kind of shit that I pretty much dismiss your cred...
| 709 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:02:51am |
re: #702 realwest
It is more or less traditional for a political party to offer the VP spot to the #2 challenger (and remember Hillary won ALL of the big electoral vote states - except Obama's own Illinois - and by most counts a slim margin of the total popular vote in the Dem primaries. Obama woulda been smarter to have picked her for VP. As SoS she's hardly poised to run against Obama in 2012 and she'll be "too old" to run in 2016. And don't forget that Obama has some other folks working her side of the street as Sos - different "amabassadors" with different portfolios - especially with regards to the ME - further weakening her power as SoS - IMO, she shouda kept her Senate Seat.
In 2016 won't she be younger than McCain was in 2008?
I can see why Obama didn't make her veep, although that would have been the traditional thing to do. Frankly, I think he didn't make her veep because she was too strong as a candidate. Kerry didn't feel the need to make dean VP, did he.
| 710 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:02:52am |
| 711 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:03:58am |
re: #701 iceweasel
God, somehow that makes it even worse-- it's not just that he's right next door and lets the dogs out and is lazy, but he's across the road and down? And you've told him what theyre doing and he isn't stopping it? What an asshole.
Yes, I vote for returning the poo every day it appears. Fuck it.
As I posted earlier, he's an attorney who has run for judicial and congressional offices. He thinks the rules don't apply to him.
| 712 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:04:16am |
re: #707 albusteve
it's because of this kind of shit that I pretty much dismiss your cred...
WTF? Iceweasel had been in MM's flower garden?
/
| 713 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:04:36am |
re: #710 Walter L. Newton
Not for a liberal :)
True. I don't know what he is, but there are a couple of liberals here who are making it less fun to post than in the past.
| 714 |
realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:05:07am |
re: #703 turn
Hey Turn! You're right that this might result in Iran's meddling less in Iraq but it might also give the Mullah's a greater desire to meddle - nothing like bringing all factions together via an external threat to the regime. I hate to say it, but Obama does have to be awfully careful what he says here, but he damned well needs to say something more than what he has so far. If even the French can demand what amounts to a recount, at the least (see my #638 above) surely Obama can "join with our European colleagues and call for the same?!
| 716 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:06:53am |
re: #711 MandyManners
As I posted earlier, he's an attorney who has run for judicial and congressional offices. He thinks the rules don't apply to him.
So, the worst kind of dickhead. :(
i used to have a neighbour whose dog would dig up plants in my garden. It was awful. I hope you can work this out.
| 717 |
Sparkizzy Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:06:55am |
re: realwest
But what will he do with all the hugs that he promised?
| 718 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:06:57am |
re: #709 iceweasel
In 2016 won't she be younger than McCain was in 2008?
I can see why Obama didn't make her veep, although that would have been the traditional thing to do. Frankly, I think he didn't make her veep because she was too strong as a candidate. Kerry didn't feel the need to make dean VP, did he.
By about four years.
| 720 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:07:45am |
| 721 |
realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:07:47am |
re: #715 rightside
I think he's a she.
Yep, I think so too - she's changed her profile by deleting that and some other stuff I don't recall.
| 722 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:07:49am |
re: #712 turn
WTF? Iceweasel had been in MM's flower garden?
/
Damn those motion detectors and infra red sensors. Damn them, I say!
/
| 723 |
realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:08:45am |
re: #717 Sparkizzy
Um, what? You commented on Spy and I have no idea what comment of mine you were referring to!
| 724 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:08:58am |
re: #714 realwest
Hey Turn! You're right that this might result in Iran's meddling less in Iraq but it might also give the Mullah's a greater desire to meddle - nothing like bringing all factions together via an external threat to the regime. I hate to say it, but Obama does have to be awfully careful what he says here, but he damned well needs to say something more than what he has so far. If even the French can demand what amounts to a recount, at the least (see my #638 above) surely Obama can "join with our European colleagues and call for the same?!
Real, I read your comment upthread and wasn't even aware that France and the brits have spoken out about a recount before reading that. So I have a lot of catching up to do this AM. Yes, it could galvanize them to clench their fists even tighter for sure.
| 725 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:05am |
re: #721 realwest
Yep, I think so too - she's changed her profile by deleting that and some other stuff I don't recall.
ooooohhh!...how mysterious!
| 726 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:12am |
| 727 |
justabill Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:37am |
| 728 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:40am |
| 729 |
realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:44am |
re: #718 MandyManners
Hey Mandy - how old is Hillary gonna be - 68 or 72, iirc.
| 730 |
Bloodnok Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:48am |
re: #654 iceweasel
because kerry was a lame duck. What's the american term? Snakebit? or something like that? -- snakebit from the start of his 2004 campaign. Hell, even dems didn't much like him for POTUS. Dems felt about him the way you all probably did about McCain-- or worse, Dems felt about kerry the way they did Dukakis or Mondale, I think. vastly reluctant to vote for him and consumed with the thought "why don't we have a better candidate?"
there was just no way in hell he had any kind of power to make such a demand, nor was there any reason to offer him any kind of power.
With Hill and SoS-- we all KNOW that was done to appease all her pissed off followers and the PUMAs. It was a way of healing the rift within the Democratic Party.
Obama HAD to offer her something substantial. The only real question is why she chose to take him up on it rather than stay a senator.
(its interesting that he didn't just fob her off with a prestigious and highly paid ambassadorship though. To me that argues that he wanted her to think she'd have a lot of power. Ambassadors don't; only money and prestige)
You are right. You can't just dismiss 40% of your party (who were trying to nominate Hillary in the run-up to the convention). This was an understanding and, to a certain extent, payback for smoothly (if you can call it that) transitioning her supporters over to him. Many voted for him holding their noses, some became PUMAs and voted for McCain, but it was a concession he had to make for the health of his party. You can not have had a 2-part Democratic party when they needed unity to push through everything they had been planning to push through.
| 731 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:10:41am |
re: #721 realwest
Yep, I think so too - she's changed her profile by deleting that and some other stuff I don't recall.
Yes, I'm a she. Thanks for remembering.
Strangely enough, I started to get freaked out by what I perceived as an inordinate amount of interest in discovering my personal information. (not by you)
So I deleted all personal information on my profile.
Go figure.
| 732 |
justabill Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:11:35am |
Seriously, why don't you see if there are any leash laws or similar in the area that are being violated.
| 733 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:12:04am |
re: #730 Bloodnok
the question is why did she accept the SoS and give up her senate seat?...how could she miss the writing on the wall if she is so brilliant?
| 734 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:12:20am |
| 735 |
Sparkizzy Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:12:28am |
re: realwest
Um, what? You commented on Spy and I have no idea what comment of mine you were referring to!
:) you said "If even the French can demand what amounts to a recount, at the least (see my #638 above) surely Obama can "join with our European colleagues and call for the same?!"
I say, if he goes and says something "hardline" like that, he won't be able to give out all the hugs he has stocked up for Iran which is part of the Obama foreign policy!
| 736 |
realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:12:45am |
re: #731 iceweasel I don't blame you, I was just reporting!
And I do have a very strong memory for things like,uh, what were we talking about?!
/
| 738 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:13:23am |
re: #731 iceweasel
Yes, I'm a she. Thanks for remembering.
Strangely enough, I started to get freaked out by what I perceived as an inordinate amount of interest in discovering my personal information. (not by you)
So I deleted all personal information on my profile.
Go figure.
deleting what you already posted?...excellent...that oughta fix it
| 740 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:14:01am |
So, Netanyahu made a great speech this weekend. He called the Arabs' bluff - Israel will recognize a Palestinian state if the Arabs will recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
The Arabs, including Mubarak, which has supposedly already recognized Israel, rejected the approach.
Obama calls it a good step.
The Eu's call it a small step, but not enough. "We sent you Jews to Israel, now let the Arabs kill you already"
It will be interesting where Obama goes from here.
1) He could say "I support Israel's approach, and, since the Arabs clearly are rejecting peace with Israel, I'm stopping all peace efforts until the Arabs show they really do want peace with Israel."
2) Or he could pressure Israel to give more.
3) Or he could say little, keep Mitchell shuttling around for show, and say he really needs to spend time on the economy and health care.
I doubt he'll do (1). I'm afraid he'll do (2), but he might decide to do (3).
Any ideas?
| 741 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:14:18am |
| 742 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:14:28am |
re: #732 justabill
Seriously, why don't you see if there are any leash laws or similar in the area that are being violated.
One whack with a pellet gun would do it I'm pretty sure, maybe just two or three pumps to be safe. Dogs remember that kind of sutff. Just don't get caught MM!
| 743 |
realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:14:40am |
re: #737 rightside
Thanks rightside! In a big rush today and no time to go wiki-ing or googling.
| 744 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:14:42am |
re: #728 turn
I always had that impression too.
Quite possibly because my profile said I was female and for some reason my gender has already been a topic of discussion in the past.
Or did you mean to imply that you had that impression because I write in a particularly 'female' way?
I'm quite sure you wouldn't mean to imply such a thing, or think it.
| 745 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:15:12am |
re: #741 albusteve
Cato already has that schtick
You're on fire this morning. Do I need to call the medics :)
| 746 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:15:13am |
re: #740 Kosh's Shadow
I think 2 is safe bet. Unfortunately.
| 747 |
freetoken Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:15:51am |
re: #705 taxfreekiller
NOTICE:
For those who will stand up and fight to take our country back.
[Link: www.blowoutcongress.com...]
Are you still shilling for the Dallas Tea Party organization?
The reason I ask is that the domain name you linked to above is registered to a Jeff Bolton of Dallas TX:
[Link: www.networksolutions.com...]
And according to this Dallas Tea Party page a Jeff Bolton is one of "America’s Tea Party Emcees"
Maybe you are just a fan of Jeff Bolton's radio show.
| 748 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:16:14am |
re: #736 realwest
I don't blame you, I was just reporting!
And I do have a very strong memory for things like,uh, what were we talking about?!
/
I like you. :-)
Quick, let's talk about something else....!
| 749 |
realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:16:33am |
re: #740 Kosh's Shadow
My guess would be #2 AND #3 - they aren't mutually exclusive.
| 750 |
Lincolntf Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:16:47am |
re: #740 Kosh's Shadow
..."We sent you Jews to Israel, now let the Arabs kill you already"...
And yet the Euros love to pretend they occupy some higher moral plain than the rest of the world. Nothing but a bunch of Socialist anti-Semites with delusions of grandeur.
| 751 |
rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:18:07am |
re: #743 realwest
No worries, I think hillary would have a hard time running in 2016. And running in 2012 against the administration she's serving in will make it tough as well. Unless she resigns when things are too far down the drain.
| 752 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:18:17am |
re: #740 Kosh's Shadow
Morning kosh, I don't have any insight except to point out that whatever O does it will be politically motivated and aimed at keeping his popularity numbers up.
| 753 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:18:33am |
| 754 |
realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:19:03am |
Well y'all I'm sorry but I gotta go now - tons to do today.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
And let's pray, please - or at least extend best wishes and hopes for you agnostics/atheists out there - for the people of Iran.
| 755 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:19:06am |
re: #745 Walter L. Newton
You're on fire this morning. Do I need to call the medics :)
I was insulted because I posted a blurb by Judith Miller
#508
| 756 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:19:22am |
re: #751 rightside
No worries, I think hillary would have a hard time running in 2016. And running in 2012 against the administration she's serving in will make it tough as well. Unless she resigns when things are too far down the drain.
And that might make her decidedly unpopular with the left wing base.
| 757 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:19:48am |
Howdy.
CNN roundup of world reaction to Iran "election" [or whatever you want to call it] situation.
Executive summary: Governments of Western countries mumble things about "concern"; governments of Muslim countries congratulate Mr. Members Only on his election "win".
| 758 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:20:12am |
re: #744 iceweasel
Quite possibly because my profile said I was female and for some reason my gender has already been a topic of discussion in the past.
Or did you mean to imply that you had that impression because I write in a particularly 'female' way?
I'm quite sure you wouldn't mean to imply such a thing, or think it.
you are quite SURE of alot of stuff it seems
| 759 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:20:27am |
re: #753 MandyManners
Unlike Carter, I'm not a malignant narcissist.
And too good a person to shoot a dog. It isn't the dog's fault; he's doing what dogs do. It's the owner's fault for letting him.
(BTW, our dogs are inside an invisible fence system, so we have to deal with all the poop ourselves. Except one dog is too small so he goes out on a leash, but still in our yard.)
| 760 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:20:43am |
re: #729 realwest
Hey Mandy - how old is Hillary gonna be - 68 or 72, iirc.
She'll be 69 on Election Day.
| 762 |
rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:21:55am |
So anyway, we allegedly sent the Uighurs to palau, without going directly through the UK...
Wouldn't that have supposed to have been through the state dept? Is it normal to just assume everything had been talked about between the parties involved?
| 763 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:22:18am |
re: #718 MandyManners
By about four years.
Exactly, thank you!
Now, maybe people want to argue that Hilary will be "too old" in 2016, even though she'll be younger by 4 years than McCain was in 2008-- but then we should force them to admit that this is a sexist and misogynist issue.
(women live longer than men on average; even if Hill were the same age in 2016 as McCain was in 2008, she'd have better health and a longer life span anyway just going by statistics. )
| 764 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:22:25am |
re: #731 iceweasel
Yes, I'm a she. Thanks for remembering.
Strangely enough, I started to get freaked out by what I perceived as an inordinate amount of interest in discovering my personal information. (not by you)
So I deleted all personal information on my profile.
Go figure.
Lizards do that to all newbies. Most don't care that you're a liberal atheist. We have several. We also have conservative atheists.
| 766 |
rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:22:34am |
omg chocolate keyboard, what's next? Chocolate mouse? Monitor?
| 767 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:22:56am |
re: #762 rightside
So anyway, we allegedly sent the Uighurs to palau, without going directly through the UK...
Wouldn't that have supposed to have been through the state dept? Is it normal to just assume everything had been talked about between the parties involved?
You mean the Bahamas I think.
| 768 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:23:53am |
re: #744 iceweasel
Quite possibly because my profile said I was female and for some reason my gender has already been a topic of discussion in the past.
Or did you mean to imply that you had that impression because I write in a particularly 'female' way?
I'm quite sure you wouldn't mean to imply such a thing, or think it.
Actually it was the latter, I don't ever recall even checking out your profile. Why is there something wrong with making a judgment as to someones gender based on their writing? Please don't give me a sexiest argument. Surely you know by reading my posts that I'm a man and that I posses nothing near your writing abilities. You can be honest.
| 769 |
Honorary Yooper Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:23:57am |
re: #762 rightside
So anyway, we allegedly sent the Uighurs to palau, without going directly through the UK...
Wouldn't that have supposed to have been through the state dept? Is it normal to just assume everything had been talked about between the parties involved?
We sent them to Bermuda.
| 770 |
vxbush Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:23:59am |
re: #766 rightside
omg chocolate keyboard, what's next? Chocolate mouse? Monitor?
Oh, those are old hat. Now the chocolate Han Solo encased in carbonite, however, was a special find.
| 772 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:24:33am |
re: #755 albusteve
I was insulted because I posted a blurb by Judith Miller
#508
No, you were angry because you didn't know Judy Miller's history and I embarrassed you about that.
I shouldn't have laughed when you posted her as a source. I've already said that if she does turn out to be right I'll be making a public apology to you. I promise.
But you're hating on me for knowing who she is when you didn't, and that's not very cool.
| 773 |
rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:24:45am |
re: #767 Nevergiveup
You are right, I was thinking the wrong thing, thanks for the catch
| 774 |
Lincolntf Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:25:25am |
re: #767 Nevergiveup
For some reason I thought it was Bermuda. Time for me to go look it up.
| 775 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:25:34am |
re: #759 Kosh's Shadow
And too good a person to shoot a dog. It isn't the dog's fault; he's doing what dogs do. It's the owner's fault for letting him.
(BTW, our dogs are inside an invisible fence system, so we have to deal with all the poop ourselves. Except one dog is too small so he goes out on a leash, but still in our yard.)
I don't blame the doggies.
| 776 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:25:43am |
re: #773 rightside
You are right, I was thinking the wrong thing, thanks for the catch
Actually I was wrong also, typed Bahamas by mistake, it is Bermuda. I need more coffee
| 777 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:25:56am |
re: #740 Kosh's Shadow
He's going to go with option 3, because it's the way he gets to show that he's involved in the "peace process" without actually having to do any heavy lifting, while he's able to focus on the health care fix (which is really a tax and spend extravaganza). Of course, fixing existing government health care programs like the VA, Medicare, and Medicaid, should be a priority before building new more expensive ones, but that's not going to happen..
| 778 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:25:57am |
re: #740 Kosh's Shadow
My (pessimistic) prediction: The key phrase among the chattering classes for responding to Bibi's speech will be "not helpful".
It's just not polite to point out that Arab irredentism is the real problem, not Jews putting additions on their houses.
| 779 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:25:59am |
re: #774 Lincolntf
For some reason I thought it was Bermuda. Time for me to go look it up.
No No your right I was wrong
| 780 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:26:01am |
re: #765 momcat
Why dont you set up a viedo camera, get it on tape and get him for tresspassing.
You mean Mandy should, I hope. The only other poop we've found in our yard is from a coyote.
| 781 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:26:23am |
Exclusive: Iranian Girl Strips Naked to Protest Elections
She just strips down to her bra. Freedom for boobies!
| 782 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:26:31am |
re: #774 Lincolntf
For some reason I thought it was Bermuda. Time for me to go look it up.
It was both. There was a deal to send several to Palau and others to Bermuda. The ones to Bermuda have already arrived there.
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turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:26:39am |
re: #761 vxbush
Argh. Morning, for those who partake of such things.
Ha, actually turn is a morning person - turnwife no way!
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:27:14am |
re: #772 iceweasel
No, you were angry because you didn't know Judy Miller's history and I embarrassed you about that.I shouldn't have laughed when you posted her as a source. I've already said that if she does turn out to be right I'll be making a public apology to you. I promise.
But you're hating on me for knowing who she is when you didn't, and that's not very cool.
that's absurd...I do know her history which is one reason I posted her op...and I was certainly not made angry by the likes of you....that's just laughable, there is no expression of anger there....you presume way too much, I'm not impressed
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:27:26am |
re: #769 Honorary Yooper
We sent them to Bermuda.
That'll teach 'em!
/
/talk about perverse incentives... go to jihad training camp in Afghanistan, win an all expenses-paid relocation to Bermuda; what's not to like?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:27:34am |
re: #754 realwest
Well y'all I'm sorry but I gotta go now - tons to do today.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
And let's pray, please - or at least extend best wishes and hopes for you agnostics/atheists out there - for the people of Iran.
How's this:
May the God of Abraham give the Iranian people the strength, wisdom and courage to rise up and cast off the malignant yoke of Islamofascism, support for terror and hatred of foreign religions and cultures, and to form a truly democratic secular government with guarantees of basice human rights and freedoms.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:27:52am |
re: #781 Killgore Trout
Exclusive: Iranian Girl Strips Naked to Protest Elections
[Video]She just strips down to her bra. Freedom for boobies!
I couldn't tell if that was a guy or a girl?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:06am |
re: #747 freetoken
I'm starting to think some lizards have gone Paulian but are afraid to admit it.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:13am |
re: #778 Occasional Reader
My (pessimistic) prediction: The key phrase among the chattering classes for responding to Bibi's speech will be "not helpful".
It's just not polite to point out that Arab irredentism is the real problem, not Jews putting additions on their houses.
And there is a lot of criticism for Netanyahu insisting Israel be recognized as a Jewish state.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:14am |
re: #772 iceweasel
further I could care less about a public apology...hahaha!
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MJ Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:25am |
Antisemitic ex-President says:
"I have been in love with the Palestinian people for many years," he said Saturday, adding that this is a feeling shared by members of his family.
Yes, he loves them especially when they bomb schools, ice cream parlors with children in them, airplanes, buses, etc. In fact, the more Jews they kill, the more Carter loves them.
He's teaching his great-grandchildren to hate Jews too:
"I have two great-grandsons that are rapidly learning about the people here and the anguish and suffering and deprivation of human rights that you have experienced ever since 1948," he said.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:26am |
I was thinking about this. I had that confused with Bahamas/Bermuda, whichever they're on!
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:56am |
re: #781 Killgore Trout
We must lift & support the Iranians who seek freedom.
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Lincolntf Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:59am |
re: #779 Nevergiveup
OK.
Semi-related: I live in NC, and yesterday I heard some report that mentioned that they would be only 4-500 miles from our coastline. I hadn't realized they would be so close until I heard the report. I really hope they're as "harmless" as people seem to think.
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vxbush Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:29:49am |
re: #783 turn
Ha, actually turn is a morning person - turnwife no way!
If I were president, mornings would be outlawed by executive order.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:30:27am |
re: #789 Killgore Trout
I'm starting to think some lizards have gone Paulian but are afraid to admit it.
Shaking in my fucking boots! You find a Paulian behind ever rock, don't you? It's getting really stale, stinky, hard...
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:30:28am |
He insists on settlement expansion, demands that the Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state even though 20% of Israel's citizens are not Jewish," the former US president said.
Why doesn't he just go stay with those Palestinians he loves.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:30:54am |
re: #780 Kosh's Shadow
You mean Mandy should, I hope. The only other poop we've found in our yard is from a coyote.
Hey, if your Acme Rocket Roller Skates malfunctioned like that, you'd poop, too.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:30:57am |
re: #795 Lincolntf
OK.
Semi-related: I live in NC, and yesterday I heard some report that mentioned that they would be only 4-500 miles from our coastline. I hadn't realized they would be so close until I heard the report. I really hope they're as "harmless" as people seem to think.
The press is making them out to be lovable people. I still want to know WHAT they were doing in terrorist training camps? They are the flavor of the month for Liberals.
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:30:59am |
re: #795 Lincolntf
OK.
Semi-related: I live in NC, and yesterday I heard some report that mentioned that they would be only 4-500 miles from our coastline. I hadn't realized they would be so close until I heard the report. I really hope they're as "harmless" as people seem to think.
Harmless unless you count the fact that none of the Uighurs would be allowed to enter the US because they're considered security risks.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:30:59am |
re: #764 MandyManners
Lizards do that to all newbies. Most don't care that you're a liberal atheist. We have several. We also have conservative atheists.
Yes we do.
And honestly, most of us (me included) don't care about getting a poster's "personal" information.
But privacy of personal information is one thing.
It's another thing entirely to try to pass oneself off as something you're not.
Not saying it's happening; but it would be disappointing to find that sort of deception.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:31:24am |
re: #789 Killgore Trout
I'm starting to think some lizards have gone Paulian but are afraid to admit it.
who...WHO?
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:31:56am |
re: #768 turn
Actually it was the latter, I don't ever recall even checking out your profile. Why is there something wrong with making a judgment as to someones gender based on their writing? Please don't give me a sexiest argument. Surely you know by reading my posts that I'm a man and that I posses nothing near your writing abilities. You can be honest.
I had no idea whether you were male or female, and I don't often find any clues in a person's writing as to their gender.
i do write a lot here about so-called 'women's issues' so someone might have thought I was female based on that. I've seen people do it to Salamantis too-- assume he is female-- because he's such an eloquent defender of a woman's right to choose.
It's a bit weird. Most people who are involved with political blogs are male, statistically speaking.
Anyway, I didn't mean to insult you and I apologise to you if I did so. Some people make assessments about the gender of the writer based on sexist notions, and some make them for reasonable notions--I'm willing to bet you're in the latter category, and I shouldn't have made any assumption that you weren't.
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rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:33:08am |
This is what I was referring too, with those sent to Bermuda
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:33:48am |
re: #806 iceweasel
Some people make assessments about the gender of the writer based on sexist notions
It is not necessarily "sexist" to take a guess at someone's gender based on writing style and/or favorite topics.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:33:57am |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:34:37am |
re: #808 Occasional Reader
It is not necessarily "sexist" to take a guess at someone's gender based on writing style and/or favorite topics.
Borg, right?
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apachegunner Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:34:58am |
re: Occasional Reader
I have found I don't like female authors works. Don't like the way they think.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:35:06am |
re: #809 Nevergiveup
I've never been to Bermuda, hear it is nice. And I hear we used to have a Navy Base there also?
yes but is isolated, windswept and hardly anything like the Bahamas....good bluewater fishing tho
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:35:14am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:36:00am |
re: #812 apachegunner
I have found I don't like female authors works. Don't like the way they think.
Wow. Now that's a pretty, erm, sweeping statement, right there.
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apachegunner Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:36:32am |
Wow. Now that's a pretty, erm, sweeping statement, right there.
yes, it is. i am sorry but thats that and i am an extremem reader
| 817 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:36:34am |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:37:18am |
re: #794 Occasional Reader
They called for a vote recount today. That might pacify the politicians who just want to get into power. I don't think that's going to pacify the people. We'll have to wait and see if this takes the steam out of the protests.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:37:27am |
re: #764 MandyManners
Lizards do that to all newbies. Most don't care that you're a liberal atheist. We have several. We also have conservative atheists.
I'm sure you're right. But I also think you know that women on the internet often get a special kind of harassment that men don't get.
I'm sure the vast majority of lizards or people with accounts here aren't like that-- but you know how it is.
Some recent events made me feel safer removing that info. It's still around for anyone who cares enough to look or remember.
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opnion Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:37:52am |
Good morning. Iran looking really unsettled right now.
I have no doubt that the election was stoole, but why would the Mullahs care? They will contol whoever the President is.
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rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:39:13am |
re: #809 Nevergiveup
We did until billyjeff signed it closed in '95
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vxbush Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:39:20am |
re: #812 apachegunner
I have found I don't like female authors works. Don't like the way they think.
My husband and I have been discussing the issue of male versus female authors lately. We've been reading David Eddings' works, and it's so obviously written by a man because there isn't any of the long-winded verbal discussions that women would always have at certain points in the book. :D
| 823 |
justabill Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:39:40am |
re: #786 Spare O'Lake
How's this:
May the God of Abraham give the Iranian people the strength, wisdom and courage to rise up and cast off the malignant yoke of Islamofascism, support for terror and hatred of foreign religions and cultures, and to form a truly democratic secular government with guarantees of basice human rights and freedoms.
Amen.
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:39:45am |
re: #817 Spare O'Lake
Oh no, not Bjorn again?
What's religion got to do with it? ack ack ack, you will be askgimilated /popeye of borg
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turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:00am |
re: #806 iceweasel
Now that you mention it, my judgment was probably based on your attention to women's issues. No I wasn't insulted by your comment and I didn't know political blogs were necessarily dominated by males. Judging by LGF I might be inclined to say the opposite. Another thing I noticed about your posts is that you seem to write so as to avoid any reference to your gender which is definitely not a "guy thing". I'm done, thanks.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:22am |
From Pajamas Media:
Reports are circulating that Venezuela has sent anti-riot troops to Tehran to help Ahmadinejad, joining Hezbollah members from Palestine and Lebanon who are employed by the Islamic government as anti-riot police — the reason such forces are being brought in is that some of the Iranian police are unwilling to hit people as ordered and some are even joining the protesters.
I'm skeptical. The logistics don't make sense to me. The key thing about riot police in these situations is that you need LOTS of 'em. I doubt either Venezuela or Iran has the airlift capability to send enough riot police halfway around the world in such short order to make any difference.
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apachegunner Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:28am |
re: vxbush
My husband and I have been discussing the issue of male versus female authors lately. We've been reading David Eddings' works, and it's so obviously written by a man because there isn't any of the long-winded verbal discussions that women would always have at certain points in the book. :D
well, i was pretty far ranging. I forgot I did like anne rice and errrr ayne too, may I say it?
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3 wood Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:44am |
The Dow is down about 200 points at the moment, due to weakness in the commodities area.
Obama to blame Bush at any minute.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:41:21am |
17:34 Peace Now: PM`s speech was `rerun of Netanyahu from his first term` (Haaretz)
17:29 Israel lobby J Street welcomes Netanyahu`s acceptance of Palestinian state
Funny how 2 "peace" parties see things differently. I think Peace now has it right. This really has been Bibi's policy all along and actually Israel's policy. A demilitarize Palestinian State. J Street is just showing their continued ignorance.
| 830 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:41:33am |
re: #818 Killgore Trout
They called for a vote recount today. That might pacify the politicians who just want to get into power. I don't think that's going to pacify the people. We'll have to wait and see if this takes the steam out of the protests.
It is my fondest hope that this thing gets out of control of even the mullah-approved "reformists", and turns into a genuine peoples' revolution that is genuinely in support of freedom and an end to theocracy.
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apachegunner Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:41:37am |
re: vxbush
My husband and I have been discussing the issue of male versus female authors lately. We've been reading David Eddings' works, and it's so obviously written by a man because there isn't any of the long-winded verbal discussions that women would always have at certain points in the book. :D
yes, quite correct. its not that i don't like women its just them as authors as all
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:41:42am |
re: #826 Occasional Reader
Besides, Venezuela isn't exactly the most peaceful place in the world either, and Chavez needs those thugs for his own purposes just in case the Venezuelans get wind of just how destructive Chavez's economic policies have been.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:41:47am |
From PersianKiwi:
confirmed by students - more than 100 professors resign from Sharif University. #Iranelection
confirmed by students - Tehran Uni dorms destroyed by Baseej last night. #Iranelection
Tehran streets are a sea of GREEN - many many hundreds of thousands. #Iranelection
From stopahmadi, something that would be interesting to see:
RT @omidanaky: @StopAhmadi The atl Iranians need peopl to come and protest in front of CNN. #iranelection
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:41:50am |
re: #803 reine.de.tout
Yes we do.
And honestly, most of us (me included) don't care about getting a poster's "personal" information.
But privacy of personal information is one thing.
It's another thing entirely to try to pass oneself off as something you're not.Not saying it's happening; but it would be disappointing to find that sort of deception.
If you post it in your profile, it's not private.
| 835 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:42:01am |
re: #821 rightside
We did until billyjeff signed it closed in '95
I was never there, but heard a few of my shipmates talking about it.
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vxbush Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:42:27am |
re: #827 apachegunner
well, i was pretty far ranging. I forgot I did like anne rice and errrr ayne too, may I say it?
I haven't read Ayn Rand yet. I'm not ready to tackle that.
| 837 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:42:41am |
re: #826 Occasional Reader
I think there might be a few "advisers" around. They probably aren't there in significant numbers. They are probably there to either teach or learn riot control techniques.
| 838 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:42:54am |
Be back in a few hours. Got to go next door to my dentist (I live right next to s small strip shopping center, my dentist is there).
Have to have a tooth drilled, cleaned out and capped, and then pain, great way to spend a Monday.
I'll check to see if the doc is a Paulian.
See you later.
| 840 |
rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:43:35am |
re: #835 Nevergiveup
Neither did I. I did spend an awful lot of time down in Puerto Rico, some time in gitmo, and the BVI. Dutch curacao too.
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Lincolntf Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:44:13am |
re: #812 apachegunner
I also greatly prefer male authors. Not to the total exclusion of female authors, of course, but it's a preference that has developed over thousands of books. One exception that I foiund was P.D. James. She writes mystery/crime stories set in England (for the most part) and she's one of my favorite "light reading" writers.
| 842 |
vxbush Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:44:16am |
re: #834 MandyManners
If you post it in your profile, it's not private.
I try to keep most of my information private--no city location, just a general description of things at most times. But sometimes to be understood, some personal information has to be shared. Those life experiences sometimes impact our beliefs and understandings in ways that cannot be shared anonymously.
| 843 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:44:16am |
re: #828 3 wood
The Dow is down about 200 points at the moment, due to weakness in the commodities area.
Obama to blame Bush at any minute.
Biden to follow shortly with "everybody got it wrong", ha what an idjet
| 844 |
rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:44:16am |
re: #838 Walter L. Newton
Careful, you can tell if he smells of tea, or offers you a cup.
| 845 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:44:33am |
re: #829 Nevergiveup
17:34 Peace Now: PM`s speech was `rerun of Netanyahu from his first term` (Haaretz)
17:29 Israel lobby J Street welcomes Netanyahu`s acceptance of Palestinian state
Funny how 2 "peace" parties see things differently. I think Peace now has it right. This really has been Bibi's policy all along and actually Israel's policy. A demilitarize Palestinian State. J Street is just showing their continued ignorance.
J street worships Obama more than G-d.
I'm exaggerating a bit, but I'm basing it on a reply by J Street to an anti-J Street editorial in The Jewish Advocate. (Material only available to subscribers, though)
| 846 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:44:51am |
re: #808 Occasional Reader
It is not necessarily "sexist" to take a guess at someone's gender based on writing style and/or favorite topics.
Of course not. Which is why I said
Some people make assessments about the gender of the writer based on sexist notions.
"Some". Not "all".
Some of the people who take such guesses are making them on the basis of sexist assumptions. Not all of the people who make such guesses are sexist, or are making those guesses on sexist assumptions.
| 847 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:45:04am |
re: #840 rightside
Neither did I. I did spend an awful lot of time down in Puerto Rico, some time in gitmo, and the BVI. Dutch curacao too.
I'm off to Annapolis in 3 weeks. Should be fun.
| 848 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:45:04am |
Terror in Yemen: 9 dead, including 3 kids.
Nine foreigners, including three children, abducted last week in Yemen were found dead early Monday, a Yemeni security official said.The victims, including seven German nationals, a Briton and a South Korean, disappeared last week while on a picnic in the restive northern Saada region of Yemen.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press, announced the discovery of the remaining six bodies Monday after three others were found earlier in the day.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the victims, though I can't help but wonder why anyone would think of going to Yemen as a vacation destination, let alone the restive areas.
| 849 |
vxbush Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:46:00am |
re: #841 Lincolntf
I also greatly prefer male authors. Not to the total exclusion of female authors, of course, but it's a preference that has developed over thousands of books. One exception that I foiund was P.D. James. She writes mystery/crime stories set in England (for the most part) and she's one of my favorite "light reading" writers.
I liked Katherine Kurtz' old stuff, the Camber series. I found that rather fascinating. The vampire stuff was so not my thing. By any author.
| 850 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:46:21am |
re: #847 Nevergiveup
I'm off to Annapolis in 3 weeks. Should be fun.
stop in at the Rams Head...cool joint, and excellent live music
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John Neverbend Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:46:59am |
re: #740 Kosh's Shadow
I doubt he'll do (1). I'm afraid he'll do (2), but he might decide to do (3).
Any ideas?
Good morning Kosh's Shadow. I discovered that the entire Babylon 5 episodes are available free on the internet. Go Vorlons!
As for the slightly more mundane matter of what Mr. O will do, my money's on a variation of (1) where he expresses support but says nothing when the Arabs reject it (as seems to be happening already), followed by (2). If I understood Gibbo the Clown's latest speech, it sounds as though The White House is on board, at least for the moment. Bibi's refusal to genuflect over the settlements could be a problem (not for me, as I think it's the right decision), but I think there's going to be a lot of pressure in the US for Mr. O to go along with the Israeli government. Asking for recognition of the Jewish State is good, but not likely to be explicitly realized, I'm afraid. I think that it's an attitude that might grow up in the minds of Israel's neighbours after several years of peace, but not before.
As for the European response, it's an embarrassment to me, as a European, but that's all. The EU has no role to play in the peace talks, and I think they know it. I'm sure that Bibi + government will not take any notice of any emissions from the EU, fresh or foul.
| 852 |
apachegunner Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:47:06am |
re: albusteve
stop in at the Rams Head...cool joint, and excellent live music
staying at the inner harbor?
| 853 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:47:17am |
re: #819 iceweasel
I'm sure you're right. 1.But I also think you know that women on the internet often get a special kind of harassment that men don't get.
2. I'm sure the vast majority of lizards or people with accounts here aren't like that-- but you know how it is.
3. Some recent events made me feel safer removing that info. It's still around for anyone who cares enough to look or remember.
1. I tend to get up in someone's face if he sexually harasses me.
2. Folks here who sexually harass women get their shit jumped.
3. What recent events?
| 854 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:47:35am |
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:47:53am |
re: #825 turn
Now that you mention it, my judgment was probably based on your attention to women's issues. No I wasn't insulted by your comment and I didn't know political blogs were necessarily dominated by males. Judging by LGF I might be inclined to say the opposite. Another thing I noticed about your posts is that you seem to write so as to avoid any reference to your gender which is definitely not a "guy thing". I'm done, thanks.
What you say makes total sense.
Yes, there are stats about political blog participation; it's overwhelmingly male. Even here.
I hope I didn't offend you; thanks for the discussion.
| 856 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:48:05am |
re: #848 lawhawk
Terror in Yemen: 9 dead, including 3 kids.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the victims, though I can't help but wonder why anyone would think of going to Yemen as a vacation destination, let alone the restive areas.
Yes, the wisdom of picnicking in jihadiland kind of eludes me, too. Thoughts for the victims and their families, nevertheless. (Also: Let us resist the continuing abuse of the word "restive".)
| 857 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:48:35am |
re: #838 Walter L. Newton
Be back in a few hours. Got to go next door to my dentist (I live right next to s small strip shopping center, my dentist is there).
Have to have a tooth drilled, cleaned out and capped, and then pain, great way to spend a Monday.
I'll check to see if the doc is a Paulian.
See you later.
Take care!
| 858 |
rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:48:36am |
re: #847 Nevergiveup
Excellent. We visited there way back in 87 I think. We were anchored out, and had the admiral coming out to have lunch with the skipper. A new ensign walked out to the quarterdeck in his robe. It was the last time he did that.
| 859 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:48:39am |
| 860 |
apachegunner Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:49:21am |
| 861 |
apachegunner Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:00am |
| 862 |
johnnyreb Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:09am |
re: #789 Killgore Trout
I'm starting to think some lizards have gone Paulian but are afraid to admit it.
You have taken your Ron Paul obsession to 9/11 truther levels here lately.
| 863 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:19am |
RAW: Anti-riot Police Attacking People
I'm very impressed with the Iranian women. I've seen a couple videos now of women being beaten to the ground. They get right back up and get in the cop's face again. Brave chicks.
| 864 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:47am |
If God had intended for women to blog, he'd have given them... well, something blogging-related, I can't think of what it is right now.
/
| 865 |
apachegunner Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:51am |
re: Killgore Trout
RAW: Anti-riot Police Attacking People
I'm very impressed with the Iranian women. I've seen a couple videos now of women being beaten to the ground. They get right back up and get in the cop's face again. Brave chicks.
yeah, like 72 year old gramas
| 866 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:55am |
re: #852 apachegunner
staying at the inner harbor?
not sure what you mean...the times I've been there I stayed in cheap hotels somewhere
| 867 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:51:16am |
re: #861 apachegunner
I stay at the inner harbor, they won't let me on campus anymore :>(
Well on orders and all.
| 868 |
SummerSong Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:51:17am |
re: #828 3 wood
The Dow is down about 200 points at the moment, due to weakness in the commodities area.
Obama to blame Bush at any minute.
It's like the market said, "Wait! What?"
Down we go.
| 869 |
apachegunner Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:51:40am |
re: Nevergiveup
I was thinking of the Marriot on the harbor
| 870 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:52:23am |
Hi! What we talkin' about? Is it a sekrit?
| 871 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:52:57am |
re: #863 Killgore Trout
Odd, I can't get your Liveleak links to load properly, either embedded or in a separate window... they act like they're playing, but all I get is a blank, grey screen.
| 873 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:53:30am |
re: #857 MandyManners
Just got here. Hope you're family's well.
| 874 |
apachegunner Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:53:51am |
| 875 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:54:23am |
re: #871 Occasional Reader
Odd, I can't get your Liveleak links to load properly, either embedded or in a separate window... they act like they're playing, but all I get is a blank, grey screen.
seeing it here fine. Come on over. I have 5 puters in this room
| 877 |
apachegunner Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:54:51am |
| 878 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:54:52am |
re: #840 rightside
Neither did I. I did spend an awful lot of time down in Puerto Rico, some time in gitmo, and the BVI. Dutch curacao too.
I've stopped over in Curacao, though never stayed overnight. Strange place. Sort of like a coral reef combined with a high-end strip mall, and taxi drivers who speak 8 languages.
| 879 |
Lincolntf Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:55:19am |
re: #849 vxbush
I'll have to check her out (at least a synopsis or two). Thanks for the tip.
If we're still talking about books, let me suggest The Known World by Edward Jones and Harlot's Ghost by Norman Mailer. Known World is a historical novel (slavery era, etc.) and Harlot's Ghost is a globe/generation spanning spy novel. Both among my favorite 25 books of all time.
| 880 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:55:31am |
re: #878 Occasional Reader
I've stopped over in Curacao, though never stayed overnight. Strange place. Sort of like a coral reef combined with a high-end strip mall, and taxi drivers who speak 8 languages.
none of them fluently!
| 881 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:56:39am |
| 883 |
vxbush Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:57:03am |
re: #879 Lincolntf
I'll have to check her out (at least a synopsis or two). Thanks for the tip.
If we're still talking about books, let me suggest The Known World by Edward Jones and Harlot's Ghost by Norman Mailer. Known World is a historical novel (slavery era, etc.) and Harlot's Ghost is a globe/generation spanning spy novel. Both among my favorite 25 books of all time.
I have to admit, a lot of the stuff I'm reading now is just so so. No serious work put into the book, no real consideration for the plot line and logic, no attempt to make the dialogues feel real or the characters 3 dimensional.
I'll add your books to my reading list. I hope they live up to the hype.
| 884 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:57:50am |
re: #880 sattv4u2
none of them fluently!
Heh.
A fun thing about the Curacao airport; if the timing's right, you might be strolling out on the tarmac to board your plane, just as a USAF (or Air Guard?) F-16 or two is taking off a few hundred yards away. LOUD!
| 885 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:58:08am |
re: #871 Occasional Reader
Odd, I can't get your Liveleak links to load properly, either embedded or in a separate window... they act like they're playing, but all I get is a blank, grey screen.
It works for me. Anyways here's a direct link....
RAW: Anti-riot Police Attacking People
The chick at the end just bounces right up and goes after the cops.
| 886 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:58:34am |
| 887 |
rightside Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:58:55am |
re: #878 Occasional Reader
I had to fly in from the ship, and left early next morning on an emergency.
| 889 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:59:42am |
re: #878 Occasional Reader
That reminds me. Have you ever heard of the "Century Club". It's people who have been in over 100 countries. One of the arguments that goes on, is if you didn't stay in the country overnight it doesn't count.
Some people count it if they were in an airport on a layover.
Completely forgot where I saw the story, but thought it was interesting.
| 890 |
apachegunner Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:59:45am |
re: MandyManners
I was told she would be going to ICU but, she's in a regular room now. That's all I know. Thank you both.
good thoughts at you and yours MM
| 891 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:59:54am |
re: #885 Killgore Trout
It works for me. Anyways here's a direct link....
RAW: Anti-riot Police Attacking PeopleThe chick at the end just bounces right up and goes after the cops.
Nope, I get the same thing. The video status bar trundles cheerfully along, but the screen is just gray. Weirod.
| 892 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:00:11am |
re: #885 Killgore Trout
It works for me. Anyways here's a direct link....
RAW: Anti-riot Police Attacking PeopleThe chick at the end just bounces right up and goes after the cops.
Must be related to Mandy!
| 893 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:02:00am |
re: #891 Occasional Reader
Nope, I get the same thing. The video status bar trundles cheerfully along, but the screen is just gray. Weirod.
Are you sure your eyes are open?
| 894 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:02:30am |
re: #892 sattv4u2
So, you're a cop. Mandy and Sharmuta are on the corner protesting illegally. You...
1. Confront them.
2. Call for back up.
3. Go to a phone booth, report it anonymously (then hide in the bushes to watch what ensues).
4. Pretend you didn't notice them.
I know what I'd do... (C)
| 895 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:03:09am |
re: #889 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That reminds me. Have you ever heard of the "Century Club". It's people who have been in over 100 countries. One of the arguments that goes on, is if you didn't stay in the country overnight it doesn't count.
Some people count it if they were in an airport on a layover.
Completely forgot where I saw the story, but thought it was interesting.
Nope, never heard of it. I'd have a ways to go before qualifying.
I have heard of the "Mile High Club", though, but that's different...
| 896 |
apachegunner Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:03:25am |
So, you're a cop. Mandy and Sharmuta are on the corner protesting illegally. You...
1. Confront them.
2. Call for back up.
3. Go to a phone booth, report it anonymously (then hide in the bushes to watch what ensues).
4. Pretend you didn't notice them.I know what I'd do... (C)
I'd rather see them in a mud ring :>) errrrrrr. did I just say that?
| 897 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:03:28am |
re: #884 Occasional Reader
heh, I didn't know about the island but recognized the word as the name of a liqueur. It did originate there, surprise surprise.
[Link: www.curacaoliqueur.com...]
| 898 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:03:37am |
re: #892 sattv4u2
Not many of the women of LGF I'd like to have to confront.... I'm askeered!
| 899 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:04:37am |
re: #894 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So, you're a cop. Mandy and Sharmuta are on the corner protesting illegally. You...
1. Confront them.
2. Call for back up.
3. Go to a phone booth, report it anonymously (then hide in the bushes to watch what ensues).
4. Pretend you didn't notice them.I know what I'd do... (C)
5) Join them (hell ,, you KNOW they're gonna win ,,might as well be on the victors side!)
| 901 |
MJ Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:05:32am |
re: #829 Nevergiveup
17:34 Peace Now: PM`s speech was `rerun of Netanyahu from his first term` (Haaretz)
17:29 Israel lobby J Street welcomes Netanyahu`s acceptance of Palestinian state
Funny how 2 "peace" parties see things differently. I think Peace now has it right. This really has been Bibi's policy all along and actually Israel's policy. A demilitarize Palestinian State. J Street is just showing their continued ignorance.
J Street ( the J stands for Judenrein) is mouthing exactly what the Carter Obama Administration is saying. They pretend not to notice the conditions which Betanyahu attached to his "acceptance".
| 902 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:06:14am |
re: #900 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm almost halfway there, but with the budget cuts and restrictions on travel in my company, I doubt I'll make it now!
| 903 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:06:42am |
re: #853 MandyManners
3. What recent events?
Dear Mandy, It's nothing at all to do with anyone here, or anything to do with this blog or anyone associated with this blog.
It's a very, very long shot, but some recent events in my personal life mean that I feel safer removing info that might be recognised by a certain someone I know offline. It was a nasty situation involving the police and legal issues and fears for my personal safety.
And that's all I'll say about it on a public thread. No offense.
| 904 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:07:19am |
re: #894 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So, you're a cop. Mandy and Sharmuta are on the corner protesting illegally. You...
1. Confront them.
2. Call for back up.
3. Go to a phone booth, report it anonymously (then hide in the bushes to watch what ensues).
4. Pretend you didn't notice them.I know what I'd do... (C)
If Dianna were there you better:
5. Reach for your sword and pray like hell she doesn't get the jump on ya
| 905 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:08:07am |
re: #900 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I can't help but wonder if a lot of the people in the club aren't insufferable wankers...
| 906 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:08:34am |
re: #895 Occasional Reader
Nope, never heard of it. I'd have a ways to go before qualifying.
I have heard of the "Mile High Club", though, but that's different...
You ever qualify for that club OR? ha
| 907 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:09:19am |
re: #903 iceweasel
Dear Mandy, It's nothing at all to do with anyone here, or anything to do with this blog or anyone associated with this blog.
It's a very, very long shot, but some recent events in my personal life mean that I feel safer removing info that might be recognised by a certain someone I know offline. It was a nasty situation involving the police and legal issues and fears for my personal safety.
And that's all I'll say about it on a public thread. No offense.
I'm very sorry to hear that, iceweasel.
Stay safe. If you don't already have one (of each), think about getting 1) a large dog, and 2) a firearm.
| 908 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:10:28am |
re: #906 turn
You ever qualify for that club OR? ha
It's tough. I keep asking the pilot on my commercial flights to make our cruising altitiude 5,280 feet (instead of the usual 30,000 - 40,000), but they never listen to me....
| 909 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:11:10am |
Does anyone in the room have anything on Khamenei's referral of the electoral dispute to the Guardians Council? (Meaning, analysis and opinion from inside Iran, or from knowledgeable dissidents outside the country.)
/Haven't found anything of substance. Perhaps it's too early.
| 910 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:12:22am |
re: #894 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So, you're a cop. Mandy and Sharmuta are on the corner protesting illegally. You...
1. Confront them.
2. Call for back up.
3. Go to a phone booth, report it anonymously (then hide in the bushes to watch what ensues).
4. Pretend you didn't notice them.I know what I'd do... (C)
5. Sidle up to them and purr, "ladies, ladies... there's no need to fight over l'il ol', me! There's enough OR lovin' to go around for both of you!"
| 911 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:13:07am |
re: #910 Occasional Reader
5. Sidle up to them and purr, "ladies, ladies... there's no need to fight over l'il ol', me! There's enough OR lovin' to go around for both of you!"
Can you really tolerate laughter?
| 912 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:13:12am |
re: #908 Occasional Reader
It's tough. I keep asking the pilot on my commercial flights to make our cruising altitiude 5,280 feet (instead of the usual 30,000 - 40,000), but they never listen to me....
Why bother, at that altitude it would be like six times more thrilling! btw you spelled altitude wrong, gotcha!
| 913 |
John Neverbend Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:13:28am |
re: #905 Occasional Reader
I can't help but wonder if a lot of the people in the club aren't insufferable wankers...
Mostly harmless, I think.
| 914 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:13:59am |
| 915 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:14:40am |
re: #912 turn
Why bother, at that altitude it would be like six times more thrilling! btw you spelled altitude wrong, gotcha!
I only spell "altitude" correctly with the help of the better angels of my nature.
/aviation pun
| 916 |
Lincolntf Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:14:46am |
re: #883 vxbush
While there's no guarantee we'll have the same tastes, I can absolutely vouch for the quality of the writing.
| 917 |
MJ Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:14:51am |
Jennifer Rubin looks at the Obama's Middle East record in Commentary:
"Is there any doubt that had he said that in 2007 or 2008 he would have been greeted with catcalls and boos? In 2008 he sounded serious and committed to stopping the Iranian nuclear threat and was candid about the nature of the regime. In Cairo, all that was gone. Nary a direct word of criticism of the Iranian regime (Holocaust denial was never tied to the Iranians and was covered in a separate section of his address). In 2008 he was telling Iran it would have no nuclear capability; in 2009 he was declaring no country could tell Iran it couldn’t have a nuclear capability. A complete reversal in tone and substance....
...It is hard to escape the conclusion that he told a very different story in 2008 to get elected and, once in office, sprung the most antagonistic approach to Israel and the most timid toward Iran of any president in recent memory. Those who bought his story in 2008 were had. And those who vouched for him should be embarrassed.UPDATE: It was brought to my attention that in 2008 Obama did make mention of the settlements: “ Israel can also advance the cause of peace by taking appropriate steps — consistent with its security — to ease the freedom of movement for Palestinians, improve economic conditions in the West Bank, and to refrain from building new settlements — as it agreed to with the Bush administration at Annapolis.” It appears that this agreement with the Bush administration is now very much disputed by the Obama administration.
ttp[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
| 918 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:15:12am |
re: #894 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So, you're a cop. Mandy and Sharmuta are on the corner protesting illegally. You...
1. Confront them.
2. Call for back up.
3. Go to a phone booth, report it anonymously (then hide in the bushes to watch what ensues).
4. Pretend you didn't notice them.I know what I'd do... (C)
You sexist vegetarian bastard, why isn't one of the options "You're a female cop so you throw away your badge and grab a sign and join them in the struggle"?
(I tease because I love!)
| 919 |
saberry0530 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:15:21am |
| 920 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:16:38am |
re: #909 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I haven't seen anything really credible about it. I don't think any takes it seriously. If you look at the Iranian power structure the guardian council are appointed by the mullahs. They are probably the ones who executed the very obvious election fraud in the first place.
| 921 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:16:44am |
re: #919 saberry0530
Physically, Mentally or both?
Well ,,,
Physically, Denver IS the 'Mile High" city
Mentally, because I'm always High On Life
but mostly it was because of the awesome greenies I scored!
| 922 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:18:42am |
re: #918 iceweasel
You sexist vegetarian bastard
Thats Sexist Vegetarian FAT Bastard to you, missy !
| 923 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:20:09am |
Slow thread.
Where have all the lizards gone? Long time passing...
| 924 |
brucee Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:20:23am |
re: #909 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Does anyone in the room have anything on Khamenei's referral of the electoral dispute to the Guardians Council? (Meaning, analysis and opinion from inside Iran, or from knowledgeable dissidents outside the country.)
/Haven't found anything of substance. Perhaps it's too early.
Quick analysis: More lies.
He already called it a "divine assessment" several times. Indeed it was divine!
He didn't do absolutely anything exceptional. Guardian Council is responsible for looking into complaints. Without him saying what he said, that is the process anyway. They might even add a few votes here and there to other candidates. But they're not gonna change the "divine assessment" because they're part of the fraud.
| 925 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:21:46am |
re: #924 brucee
They might even add a few votes here and there to other candidates. But they're not gonna change the "divine assessment" because they're part of the fraud.
Another possibility: Ron Paul declared the winner.
| 926 |
jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:22:13am |
Youth in LA celebrate a win in a sporting event by rioting and stealing shoes.
Youth in Tehran protest a rigged election, take to the streets and risk their lives for freedom.
*GAH*
| 927 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:23:20am |
| 928 |
John Neverbend Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:24:12am |
re: #925 Occasional Reader
Another possibility: Ron Paul declared the winner.
At least Israeli settlements haven't been blamed....yet.
| 930 |
MJ Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:25:19am |
Muted Response Reflects U.S. Diplomatic Dilemma
The confused aftermath of Iran's presidential election is complicating the Obama administration's planned outreach to the Islamic republic and underscoring the challenges facing the president's new approach to the Middle East based on shared values and common interests.
Yeah, well maybe it's because we don't really have any shared values or common interests with people who want to destroy Western Civilization and kill every Jew on the face of the world.
....But some Republicans, as well as Israel's government, say talks with a leader who has denied the Holocaust, threatened the Jewish state with annihilation and called Iran's nuclear program non-negotiable should be isolated. With accusations of fraud swirling around Ahmadinejad's victory, those hawkish voices are rising for Obama to change course.
Appearing yesterday on ABC's "This Week," former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney (R) said, "What has occurred is that the election is a fraud, the results are inaccurate, and you're seeing a brutal repression of the people as they protest."
"The president ought to come out and state exactly those words, indicate that this has been a terribly managed decision by the autocratic regime in Iran," said Romney, who has not ruled out another run for president in 2012. "It's very clear that the president's policies of going around the world and apologizing for America aren't working."
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
The Obama Administration will continue to sell out the voices of dissent within Iran and will continue in their quest to make Israel vulnerable to attack.
| 931 |
jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:25:37am |
The government has eyes for your business cell phone
Did you know that the government has its eye firmly fixed on your business cell phone? The IRS considers company-owned cell phones as a taxable employee fringe benefit. This is the case as long as the use of the phone cannot be substantiated in detail—right down to the purpose of each and every call you make
When they come for my coffee, TO ARMS! //
28% of GDP isn't enough.....
| 932 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:25:42am |
re: #920 Killgore Trout
I haven't seen anything really credible about it. I don't think any takes it seriously. If you look at the Iranian power structure the guardian council are appointed by the mullahs. They are probably the ones who executed the very obvious election fraud in the first place.
[1] Thanks, was hoping you were here.
[2] I'm not so sure about GC complicity up-front. I suspect it came direct from Khamenei.
BTW, half of the GC is appointed by the Supreme Leader. The other 6 are nominated by the judiciary and clerics. In a real-time political sense, it's therefore not automatically a Khamenei tool.
Thanks for the BreitBart link. The Beeb has a better one on the right-hand background-data sidebar. I think it's labeled, "How Iran is governed".
| 933 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:25:59am |
re: #856 Occasional Reader
The article linked, called Yemen Osama's ancestral homeland, even though he's from a well connected Saudi family and spent his early years living in Saudi Arabia until he took up jihad in Afghanistan during the Russian invasion. Curiously, even wiki doesn't mention Yemen at all.
| 934 |
FrogMarch Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:26:04am |
| 935 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:26:22am |
re: #907 Occasional Reader
I'm very sorry to hear that, iceweasel.
Stay safe. If you don't already have one (of each), think about getting 1) a large dog, and 2) a firearm.
Thanks very much, OR.
I've taken all the precautions I can, and I never leave my house or even answer the door without pepper spray in my hand. I carry it even to walk 20 feet from a door to a car.
That's pretty much all you can do when you live with this.
| 936 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:26:25am |
VDH on the elections and more
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
| 937 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:27:00am |
| 938 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:27:42am |
re: #927 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've called you "baby" here?
Know why? (not because of gender)
It's not gender? DAMMIT!
It's my immaturity, isn't it?
I'll just go hold my breath for a while and kick and scream til I turn blue. BLUE i tell you, BLUE!
| 939 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:27:51am |
re: #934 FrogMarch
Andrew Sullivan was busy comparing Ahmadinejad to Karl Rove, claiming that Ahmadinejad was using Rovian tactics.
Sully is a loon when it comes to that front. His BDS is beyond compare.
| 940 |
vxbush Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:28:12am |
re: #923 Occasional Reader
Slow thread.
Where have all the lizards gone? Long time passing...
Sorry, I'm trying to get OpenSRF to work, and it's being cranky....
| 941 |
jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:28:58am |
re: #937 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ick. Didn't even know you were a girl!
LIZARD COOTIES!
Yeesh, everyone knows cooties are vegetarian.....
;-)
| 942 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:29:03am |
re: #924 brucee
Quick analysis: More lies.
He already called it a "divine assessment" several times. Indeed it was divine!He didn't do absolutely anything exceptional. Guardian Council is responsible for looking into complaints. Without him saying what he said, that is the process anyway. They might even add a few votes here and there to other candidates. But they're not gonna change the "divine assessment" because they're part of the fraud.
Yeah.
(rhetorically) How likely is he to backtrack off that "divine assessment"?
It could be a subterfuge for getting a whitewash.
I'll be keeping an eye on the Iranian blogs.
| 943 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:29:57am |
| 944 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:30:33am |
| 945 |
FrogMarch Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:30:40am |
re: #939 lawhawk
Andrew Sullivan was busy comparing Ahmadinejad to Karl Rove, claiming that Ahmadinejad was using Rovian tactics.
Sully is a loon when it comes to that front. His BDS is beyond compare.
Pepper his BDS with Palin-hate and the Sullivan insanity is complete.
| 947 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:31:13am |
re: #939 lawhawk
Andrew Sullivan was busy comparing Ahmadinejad to Karl Rove, claiming that Ahmadinejad was using Rovian tactics.
Yeah, I remember when Rove ordered all those thugs into the streets to beat protesters during the 2004 election... that happened, um, where was it again?
Note to Andrew Sullivan: Get the help you so obviously need. Do it soon.
| 948 |
brucee Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:31:25am |
A picture of today's protests against Ahmadimonkey
"People were holding signs saying: We are not sheep."
Ayatollah Sanei also joined the protesters. He's the guy who issued a fatwa against suicide bombing and also wants equal rights for women in marriage law.
Sky has a clip of protesters.
Police and Basij are standing aside. They are overwhelmed.
And here's an interesting piece I found on Sullivan's post:
Press TV is now reporting on “hundreds of thousands” in today’s rally from Enqelab Square to Azadi Square, protesting the outcome of the Iranian election. The gathering is in defiance of the Ministry of Interior’s refusal to give a permit. So far, based on video and on the correspondent’s report, the rally appears to be peaceful and calm.
Just to bring home the significance of the previous item, Press TV is state-owned media. Until this morning, it has given almost no attention to the protests against Ahmadinejad’s election. The sudden change to in-depth, even effusive coverage of the demonstrations points to a wider political shift: whether this is in line with a “compromise” accepting the legitimacy of the claims of the protests (and, beyond that, the appeal to the Guardian Council) remains to be seen.
It was on PressTV, I can't reach it anymore. Perhaps someone higher up has noticed. If that's the case, it can only mean they are quickly losing control.
| 950 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:32:09am |
re: #926 jcm
Youth in LA celebrate a win in a sporting event by rioting and stealing shoes.
Youth in Tehran protest a rigged election, take to the streets and risk their lives for freedom.
*GAH*
Hand Molotov cocktails to some of those "youth in LA" and time-warp them back to the streets of Budapest.
| 951 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:32:13am |
| 952 |
Caboose Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:33:00am |
re: #79 shiplord kirel
There is a book about this mission (or the very similar mission to get the Avia-built Messerschmidts into Israel) that I remember reading in the early '70's. The title is "The Midnighters" by Rowland Barber (I still have the book around here somewhere...). Folks may want to check this link out (yes, it is Wikipedia, but this seems to be OK).
| 953 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:34:26am |
re: #934 FrogMarch
OMG, it's worse than I thought. No where in the article is there even any mention of Bush, and they have it on the headline? sheesh CBS is bad with BDS.
| 955 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:35:21am |
re: #953 turn
I read it twice, didn't see it either.
What connection does the headline have with the story?
| 956 |
kansas Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:36:04am |
I suppose it's been discussed that the press is reporting Leon Panetta's divining the intentions of Dick Cheney. "It's ALMOST like he wants this country to be attacked." ALMOST? It's ALMOST like President Hopenchange does too there, Tim. Is there any recognition in the 60% that continue to fellate Hopenchange that things are not going well here?
| 957 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:36:21am |
Whatever good happens in iran, if the forces of freedom should prevail, is due in no small part to George W. Bush's efforts in the region. Don't doubt for a moment that plenty in iran have seen those purple fingers next door in iraq and noticed that there is a diference between phony freedom and the real thing.
Thanks Dubya ... you are a great American!
| 958 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:36:53am |
The Palestinian reaction to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's address Sunday can been seen as an indication of panic or alternately as proof that they are drunk with power.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
The Palestinians never miss and opportunity to miss and opportunity. With a President in Power that is favorably disposed towards them, you would think they would move heaven and earth to get to the negotiation table?
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:37:03am |
re: #944 Nevergiveup
Cock suckers
My thoughts exactly.
From CBS's anti-intellectual report:
Ahmadinejad has made a mess of the economy [read: Geroge Bush made a mess of the economy - but Obama is going to save us and if Obama deosn't save us, we'll just continue to Blame old Geroge] , clamped down on political dissent and social freedoms {the left are still under the illusion that GWB somehow arrested dissenters and kept leftwing movements out of the streets - that's a laugh], militarized the state [ evil George did it too! quick, dismantle the military - that will help keep us safe] , and earned the enmity of much of the world. [same. tired. logic. funny the world isn't that impressed with Obama]
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turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:37:20am |
re: #955 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I read it twice, didn't see it either.
What connection does the headline have with the story?
None that I can tell, evidenly the editor saw it fit to make one.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:37:50am |
Morning all! I know, I know, there's that old saying about lies, damned lies, and statistics, but this is at least a little cheery news:
“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group
Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.
So, if I read this right, conservatives and moderates account for about 75%.
Further, only 9% call themselves "very conservative" and only 5% call themselves "very liberal". Factor them out, and conservatives and moderates come in at 66% and liberals at 16%. Four percent have "no opinion".
Find some candidates that can appeal to conservatives and moderates and we may have a chance - a bit sooner than we thought?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:38:12am |
re: #960 turn
They got comments over there? Let's go look.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:38:27am |
re: #957 _RememberTonyC
ditto. I've been posting it for a few days now re: Irans election
20 million votes
0 purple fingers
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Kragar Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:38:49am |
Predictable News
Israeli PM 'ruins' peace chance
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak says an Israeli demand that Palestinians accept Israel as a Jewish state ruins the chances for a peace deal.
The demand was one of two conditions set by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as he backed the creation of a Palestinian state for the first time.
He also asked that a Palestinian state be demilitarised. Palestinians have rejected the conditions.
Palis: We want a state.
Israel: OK, stop trying to kill us.
Palis: WHAT!?
| 965 |
kansas Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:38:53am |
Republicans need to start pounding a new narrative. That the economy started down in 2006 when the Democrats took control of Congress.
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Lincolntf Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:39:35am |
re: #953 turn
Since we're making sladerous and spurious comparisons can we call Obama "America's Idi Amin"?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:39:56am |
re: #964 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Predictable News
Israeli PM 'ruins' peace chance
Palis: We want a state.
Israel: OK, stop trying to kill us.
Palis:WHATThats inflammatory and racist!? The talks are off
ftfy
| 968 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:40:05am |
re: #961 subsailor68
Morning all! I know, I know, there's that old saying about lies, damned lies, and statistics, but this is at least a little cheery news:
“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group
Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.
So, if I read this right, conservatives and moderates account for about 75%.
Further, only 9% call themselves "very conservative" and only 5% call themselves "very liberal". Factor them out, and conservatives and moderates come in at 66% and liberals at 16%. Four percent have "no opinion".
Find some candidates that can appeal to conservatives and moderates and we may have a chance - a bit sooner than we thought?
The reports of our death are greatly exaggerated. To the dismay of some here I think.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:41:19am |
[Link: twitter.com...]
Mousavi said he's ready to participate in another election
Bad news. This means the political support for the protests will soon fade. It's up to the people to keep this going on their own.
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J.S. Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:41:26am |
re: #933 lawhawk
In a biography about Osama (I've forgotten the author's name), Osama bin Laden's father was from Yemen...(and apparently, given the "tribal" society of S. Arabia, the Osama family (even though they had those business ties with the Saudi royal family) was never really accepted as Saudis...like they couldn't trace their roots back for 10 generations, etc., but came from Yemen, so they were considered "new-comers"...)
| 971 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:41:56am |
re: #968 Nevergiveup
The reports of our death are greatly exaggerated. To the dismay of some here I think.
Correct. I'm so tired of hearing that "the Repubs are ruderless,,, they don;t have a leader,,,, they're doomed"
Let me ask something to all thos saying that
June 1997, 6 months after Clinton slaughtered Dole, name me one person (besides Carl Rover, MAYBE) that would have told you for certainty that George Bush would be the leader of the Repubs and be eleted in 2000
June 2001, after Bush beat Gore, tell me one person who would have told you John Kerry would have been the 'rudder" of the Dems come 2004
June 2005, after Bush beat Kerry, tell me one person who would have told you that BHO would be the "leader" of the Dems come 2008!
I could go back even further. The "losers" in the race for the White House are ALWAYS "rudderless and leaderless" for at LEAST 2 1/2 years after that election. ALWAYS
| 972 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:42:14am |
Amanda Knox's Jailhouse Letters to Ex-Beau Reveal Prison Life
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
I started out thinking she was innocent but now I am not so sure. She sure seems like half a nut?
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:42:32am |
re: #963 sattv4u2
ditto. I've been posting it for a few days now re: Irans election
20 million votes
0 purple fingers
Yes!
And if Obama were a real statesman instead of an empty suit, he'd pay tribute to Bush's contribution to iraq's fledgling democracy and point out that the people of iran are obviously striving for similar progress in their country.
C'mon President Obama ... be a real leader instead of a political hack!
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Kragar Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:43:45am |
re: #967 sattv4u2
ftfy
Kragar diplomacy: OK, Here is the peace plan. You guys can take responsibility for your own people and do something besides trying to kill people on a daily basis OR we can kick the living shit out of you once and for all.
| 975 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:44:03am |
re: #973 _RememberTonyC
Yes!
And if Obama were a real statesman instead of an empty suit, he'd pay tribute to Bush's contribution to iraq's fledgling democracy and point out that the people of iran are obviously striving for similar progress in their country.
C'mon President Obama ... be a real leader instead of a political hack!
That's a good one.
| 976 |
jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:44:27am |
re: #950 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Hand Molotov cocktails to some of those "youth in LA" and time-warp them back to the streets of Budapest.
I remember reading in Budapest they'd put a dinner plate upside down in the street a tank driver thinking it might be a mine would stop. Then they'd jump up on the tank cover the view ports and go work on disabling it.
Giant fucking brass ones, bare hands going up against tanks.
| 977 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:44:32am |
re: #953 turn
OMG, it's worse than I thought. No where in the article is there even any mention of Bush, and they have it on the headline? sheesh CBS is bad with BDS.
On the bright side: The comments seem to be overwhelmingly slamming CBS News for this ideologically-driven stupidity.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:44:57am |
Read the comments at the bottom of that CBS story.
Skewering the hell out of them. Should be a thread.
Anybody know how to take a screen shot? Take one quick. I'll bet they're about to re-name the article....
| 979 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:45:06am |
re: #948 brucee
Ayatollah Sanei also joined the protesters. He's the guy who issued a fatwa against suicide bombing and also wants equal rights for women in marriage law.
For other Lizards' FYI -- Grand Ayatollah Sanei
brucee ... is Sanei the G.A. who was a former confidant of Khomeni, who pulled his support and resigned, and was placed under house arrest?
| 980 |
quickjustice Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:45:11am |
re: #969 Killgore Trout
This is no surprise. Mousavi is part of the clerical establishment. It's only "bad news" if you really believed that he was a pro-democracy activist. Sorry to disillusion you.
I think it possible that the genuine pro-democracy activists aligned themselves with Mousavi in an effort to divide the mullahs. The Council's call for a recount suggests that they're afraid the situation is spinning out of control. Mousavi's signaling them he's still loyal to them.
| 981 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:45:22am |
re: #966 Lincolntf
Since we're making sladerous and spurious comparisons can we call Obama "America's Idi Amin"?
Or Pol Pot. I mean, why the hell not?
| 982 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:46:04am |
re: #975 Nevergiveup
That's a good one.
I'm trying to give the guy some good advice ... I am not holding my breath that he will accept it.
| 983 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:47:18am |
re: #976 jcm
I remember reading in Budapest they'd put a dinner plate upside down in the street a tank driver thinking it might be a mine would stop. Then they'd jump up on the tank cover the view ports and go work on disabling it.
Giant fucking brass ones, bare hands going up against tanks.
Beyond mere "heroics".
| 984 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:47:59am |
re: #980 quickjustice
This is no surprise. Mousavi is part of the clerical establishment. It's only "bad news" if you really believed that he was a pro-democracy activist. Sorry to disillusion you.
I'm not disillusioned. He's not a pro democracy advocate but the people have now seen that their system is a sham. A new election isn't going to change anything and the people know it.
| 985 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:48:08am |
re: #956 kansas
re: #966 Lincolntf
Since we're making sladerous and spurious comparisons can we call Obama "America's Idi Amin"?
I couldn't understand why the hell the head of the CIA would say such a stupid thing. He must be getting pressure
Sure in this anything goes "reporting" by the MSM then why not? ha, I see his brother is writing a book on him. It would be so funny if it sold more copies than O's books. I should post some stuff from Goldberg's book about how bad the MSM is so in the tank for O.
| 987 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:48:42am |
re: #980 quickjustice
The Council's call for a recount suggests that they're afraid the situation is spinning out of control.
That's my read, too... if they call for a new election, I don't know if the protesters will go along, or will simply see this as the Mullahs showing weakness.
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jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:48:50am |
re: #978 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Read the comments at the bottom of that CBS story.
Skewering the hell out of them. Should be a thread.
Anybody know how to take a screen shot? Take one quick. I'll bet they're about to re-name the article....
Saved.......
| 989 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:49:19am |
re: #958 Nevergiveup
The Palestinian reaction to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's address Sunday can been seen as an indication of panic or alternately as proof that they are drunk with power.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
The Palestinians never miss and opportunity to miss and opportunity. With a President in Power that is favorably disposed towards them, you would think they would move heaven and earth to get to the negotiation table?
Actually, they think Obama will move heaven and earth to get Israel to surrender, so why should they give up anything, especially since they're dedicated to the destruction of Israel?
| 990 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:49:35am |
GGGAAAHHHH ,,,
Have to take my Electrical Safety and Lock-Out/Tag-Out yearly certification test!
GGAAHHH
BBL
| 991 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:49:59am |
| 992 |
unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:50:00am |
re: #978 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Read the comments at the bottom of that CBS story.
Skewering the hell out of them. Should be a thread.
Anybody know how to take a screen shot? Take one quick. I'll bet they're about to re-name the article....
I made a PDF immediately. This is gonna be a classic.
| 993 |
Lincolntf Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:50:01am |
re: #981 Occasional Reader
I had to go back and check to be 100% sure it wasn't a fake/prank site. I can still barely believe it's the real deal.
Now I have to figure out if there are any shows on CBS that I currently watch and can boycott. Unfortunately, they do a lot of sports so I can't make it a lifetime banishment from my screen.
| 995 |
Kragar Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:50:28am |
Nobody told the Cubans that there are no women on the internet.
Internet chat 'dupes Castro son'
A Cuban exile blogger from Miami says he used a female internet alter ego to gain access to a member of the usually impervious family of Fidel Castro.
.....
Mr Dominguez created Claudia, a 27-year-old Colombian sports journalist.Claudia made contact with Antonio and they chatted on and off for an eight-month period.
Antonio shared details of his daily life in Cuba and his trips around the world with his uncle Raul, the Cuban president, but did not reveal any state secrets.
However, Mr Dominguez says that by showing what he describes as the opulent lifestyles the Castros live in a communist country like Cuba he has achieved his aim.
Mr Dominguez has published pictures and documents of his chats with the younger Mr Castro on his blog.
| 996 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:50:35am |
re: #964 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Predictable News
Israeli PM 'ruins' peace chance
Palis: We want a state.
Israel: OK, stop trying to kill us.
Palis: WHAT!?
And that is from the leader of a state which signed a peace treaty with Israel, and therefore supposedly recognizes Israel.
Imagine what the other Arab countries think.
| 997 |
quickjustice Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:51:05am |
All the democratic political parties in Iran were banned by the Council of Guardians years ago. The council remains in charge of the Iranian government no matter who is elected President.
The Council has regional ambitions of hegemony in the Persian Gulf. That's why the Sunni Arabs are terrified of them. If Obama or Hillary had a brain between them, they'd exploit this. Instead, their incompetence will set off a nuclear arms race in the region.
| 998 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:51:12am |
re: #990 sattv4u2
GGGAAAHHHH ,,,
Have to take my Electrical Safety and Lock-Out/Tag-Out yearly certification test!
GGAAHHH
BBL
Calm down by repeating a zen-like "Ohmmmm...."
It'll cure watt ails ya.
| 999 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:51:29am |
re: #989 Kosh's Shadow
Actually, they think Obama will move heaven and earth to get Israel to surrender, so why should they give up anything, especially since they're dedicated to the destruction of Israel?
That's what I mean, they should jump at any opportunity to get to the table knowing that Obama is going to pressure Israel very hard. If they were smart they wouldn't make any negative statements about Bibi's speech, just get to the table.
| 1000 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:51:32am |
by the way .... fuck leon panetta. what an ass hole.
| 1001 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:51:46am |
| 1002 |
turn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:52:08am |
re: #985 turn
you fricked that up turn. oh well about Panneta - he is probably getting pressure from O to do something to counter the traction Cheney is getting with his speaking up in support of Bush's policy. What a leftist statement. It was just stupid of him to make it personally, an underling could have carried the water.
| 1003 |
quickjustice Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:52:40am |
re: #987 Occasional Reader
Correction: it's not a "recount" yet-- just an "investigation".
| 1004 |
jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:53:47am |
re: #990 sattv4u2
GGGAAAHHHH ,,,
Have to take my Electrical Safety and Lock-Out/Tag-Out yearly certification test!
GGAAHHH
BBL
HAHAHAHAHA! Just finished........
LOTO, taking the pain out of stupid.....
| 1005 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:54:13am |
re: #998 Occasional Reader
Calm down by repeating a zen-like "Ohmmmm...."
It'll cure watt ails ya.
I'll plug in here and try to amp up the puns.
| 1006 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:54:44am |
The White House said on Monday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's endorsement of a two-state solution to the Middle East conflict was a big step forward but that there is still a "long way to go." (Reuters)
By who Mr. Obama, By whom?
| 1007 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:55:26am |
re: #995 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Nobody told the Cubans that there are no women on the internet.
I beg to differ. Back before I met Mrs. Reader, I had a rather grand time for a while on my business trips to Latin America, thanks to Al Gore's wonderful invention.
| 1008 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:56:16am |
Pictured: Life in paradise as Guantanamo Four dream of opening first Uighur restaurant in the British territory of Bermuda
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Oh my what angels?
| 1009 |
jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:56:21am |
re: #997 quickjustice
All the democratic political parties in Iran were banned by the Council of Guardians years ago. The council remains in charge of the Iranian government no matter who is elected President.
The Council has regional ambitions of hegemony in the Persian Gulf. That's why the Sunni Arabs are terrified of them. If Obama or Hillary had a brain between them, they'd exploit this. Instead, their incompetence will set off a nuclear arms race in the region.
If anyone had any sense re: Iran we'd have been playing the Poland / Solidarity card for years now in Iran, and would be in a position to exploit it.
In stead Obama is wringing his hands, muttering "who do I talk to, who do I talk to."
| 1010 |
unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:56:30am |
re: #1000 _RememberTonyC
by the way .... fuck leon panetta. what an ass hole.
Panetta's setting it up for when the attack comes, and it will, how could it not with all this irresponsible recklessness...he's setting it up so some of the blame can be directed at Cheney and the previous admin.
But, it ain't gonna work, the blame and responsibility will land right on the White House steps.
| 1011 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:56:45am |
re: #999 Nevergiveup
That's what I mean, they should jump at any opportunity to get to the table knowing that Obama is going to pressure Israel very hard. If they were smart they wouldn't make any negative statements about Bibi's speech, just get to the table.
Bibi did a nice job. Now the Mossad needs to find a way to use the instability in iran as an opportunity to do some quiet damage to some key nuke operation in iran. Also, sabotaging an oil refinery in iran would be a great way to cause the mullahs economic harm at a time that others within iran might be willing to help out. Imagine a large MF'ing explosion today or tomorrow! Talk about upping the ante against the medieval savages!
| 1013 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:56:55am |
I missed the private thread test thread earlier. Whats the skinny?
| 1014 |
Lincolntf Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:57:44am |
re: #1013 Creeping Eruption
Nobody can hear you. We're all in the private thread.
| 1015 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:58:24am |
MPACUK....
Congratulations President Ahmadinejad
Mahmoud Ahmadinjead has won the Iranian presidential vote. Again.One thing we can be sure of is that the Zionists must be kicking themselves. Regardless of what excuses anyone makes about "oh, why is the margin so big?" they should understand how democracy works:
More votes = that candidate is more popular.
MPACUK congratulates President Ahmadinejad.
By the way, it should be known that he doesn't have anyone in his cabinet who says that Iranian Jews should be expelled (unlike Lieberman who says that all Arabs should be expelled from Israel - funny how not many people get worked up about that huh?)
No, I don't think they're being sarcastic.
| 1016 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:58:36am |
re: #1009 jcm
If anyone had any sense re: Iran we'd have been playing the Poland / Solidarity card for years now in Iran, and would be in a position to exploit it.
In stead Obama is wringing his hands, muttering "who do I talk to, who do I talk to."
Up-ding for BOTH!
/effing narcissist!
| 1017 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:58:49am |
| 1018 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:58:55am |
re: #1012 buzzsawmonkey
Marquis my words; a recount will start baron a reality that cannot be duked; Iran is a royal mess.
Count on it.
| 1019 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:59:23am |
re: #1013 Creeping Eruption
The only people who can see posts are registered, logged in Lizards.
I wonder if the stalkers noticed? I'm betting they did...
| 1020 |
jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:59:26am |
re: #1013 Creeping Eruption
I missed the private thread test thread earlier. Whats the skinny?
It's where we talk about the stalker blogs.......
Only registered lizard can see the comments.
| 1021 |
VegasRick Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:59:59am |
| 1022 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:00:48am |
| 1024 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:01:04am |
super cool karma count right now.
| 1025 |
KenJen Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:01:13am |
re: #1008 Nevergiveup
Pictured: Life in paradise as Guantanamo Four dream of opening first Uighur restaurant in the British territory of Bermuda
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Oh my what angels?
restaurant name idea "Moo Goo Beef in Paradise"?
| 1026 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:01:58am |
re: #1024 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
super cool karma count right now.
I'd upding you but I don't want to ruin it. Regarding not seeing the comments,are we talking about these comments, or is it a new area like the lounge was?
| 1027 |
VegasRick Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:01:59am |
re: #1023 Lincolntf
It's way too Early for a pun thread.
Well, your fingerprince are all over it now!
| 1028 |
solomonpanting Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:02:12am |
| 1029 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:02:15am |
re: #1013 Creeping Eruption
I missed the private thread test thread earlier. Whats the skinny?
Webcam photos will be posted on Fallback LGF later today.
Make up your own mind at that time.
| 1030 |
Kragar Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:02:19am |
re: #1007 Occasional Reader
I beg to differ. Back before I met Mrs. Reader, I had a rather grand time for a while on my business trips to Latin America, thanks to Al Gore's wonderful invention.
I'm sorry to say this, but you are wrong. Internet Rules 29 and 30 make this quite clear.
| 1031 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:02:29am |
re: #1010 unrealizedviewpoint
Panetta's setting it up for when the attack comes, and it will, how could it not with all this irresponsible recklessness...he's setting it up so some of the blame can be directed at Cheney and the previous admin.
But, it ain't gonna work, the blame and responsibility will land right on the White House steps.
that is not gonna work. cheney can simply point to Bush's record since 9/11. The new administration is really a bunch of clueless whiners. Eventually the country will see that "The Empty Suit Has No Clothes."
| 1032 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:03:16am |
re: #1029 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Webcam photos will be posted on Fallback LGF later today.
Make up your own mind at that time.
I have to confess. Those naked pictures were really not me, but Adriana Lima.
| 1033 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:03:23am |
re: #1023 Lincolntf
It's way too Early for a pun thread.
Oh, Lord... another pun thread. I'm baronet as best I can, but it's not easy.
| 1034 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:03:31am |
re: #1026 Creeping Eruption
Log off. Then try to read comments.
| 1035 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:03:41am |
FBI Seeks to Target Lone Extremists
"Lone-wolf offenders continue to be of great concern to law enforcement," the agency said in a February memo reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. The FBI is "trying to identify a potential lone wolf before he or she would act out violently," Michael Ward, the bureau's deputy assistant director for counterterrorism, said in an interview earlier this year.The lone-wolf initiative is one element of a broader strategy to fight domestic terrorism, dubbed "Operation Vigilant Eagle," launched late last year in response to what the memo identified as "an increase in recruitment, threatening communications, and weapons procurement by white supremacy extremist and militia/sovereign citizen extremist groups."
| 1036 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:03:50am |
re: #1020 jcm
It's where we talk about the stalker blogs.......
Only registered lizard can see the comments.
BTW, remember that some of the stalkers might still have socks here.
| 1037 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:04:07am |
re: #1030 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I'm sorry to say this, but you are wrong. Internet Rules 29 and 30 make this quite clear.
I can assure you, the women I met were most definitely women. (I checked.)
| 1038 |
Lincolntf Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:04:41am |
re: #1037 Occasional Reader
You give them a math problem?
| 1040 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:04:46am |
| 1041 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:04:58am |
Ugh. Wait. I'm double SS right now. Someone give me a ding.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:05:02am |
re: #1028 solomonpanting
Then wrap it up (in visqueen, of course).
You'll have to do better than that to empress us.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:05:03am |
re: #1032 Alouette
I have to confess. Those naked pictures were really not me, but Adriana Lima.
OR will be heartbroken!
| 1044 |
Kragar Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:05:11am |
re: #1037 Occasional Reader
I can assure you, the women I met were most definitely women. (I checked.)
It was a cunning ruse.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:05:34am |
re: #1038 Lincolntf
You give them a math problem?
ha-- you know that's a HORRIBLE thing to say, but it was funny!
| 1046 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:06:01am |
re: #1041 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ugh. Wait. I'm double SS right now. Someone give me a ding.
earn it :)
| 1048 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:06:27am |
| 1049 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:06:31am |
re: #1033 Occasional Reader
Oh, Lord... another pun thread. I'm baronet as best I can, but it's not easy.
Please don't distract me.
I'm trying to read Esquire.
| 1050 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:06:34am |
re: #1035 Killgore Trout
They could start by not calling them "lone wolves", which sounds kinda cool.
| 1051 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:06:37am |
re: #1034 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Log off. Then try to read comments.
LOL. Poor stalkers. Where will they go? What will they do? New run on sock puppets?
| 1052 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:07:17am |
re: #1051 Creeping Eruption
Oh, you know it.
| 1053 |
brucee Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:07:40am |
re: #979 pre-Boomer Marine brat
For other Lizards' FYI -- Grand Ayatollah Sanei
brucee ... is Sanei the G.A. who was a former confidant of Khomeni, who pulled his support and resigned, and was placed under house arrest?
I guess you are thinking of Ayatollah Montazeri.
He's basically considered opposition to Mullahs. He's too big to just off, so they harass his family and supporters.
Personally, not a fan. I was too young but my dad says he should have opposed Khomeini much earlier, not wait until he dies and then move to take his place (which failed of course). He also closed his eyes on many many atrocities under Khomeini's reign.
Today, he opposes Ahamdinejad (and by consequence Khamenei) on pretty much every issue, including nuclear and foreign policy.
Sanei is a mini-Montazeri, that is he is not as "grand" of Montazeri. He's pretty much always been liberal. He's popular among women because he considers them of fully equal rights and even supports activists with fatwas and decrees.
| 1054 |
Kragar Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:08:05am |
re: #1050 Occasional Reader
They could start by not calling them "lone wolves", which sounds kinda cool.
McQuade is not amused
| 1055 |
solomonpanting Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:09:10am |
re: #1042 Occasional Reader
You'll have to do better than that to empress us.
I guess I was throne for a loss.
| 1056 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:09:17am |
re: #1053 brucee
Thanks brucee... your comments are great. Adding perspective.
| 1057 |
unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:09:43am |
re: #1031 _RememberTonyC
that is not gonna work. cheney can simply point to Bush's record since 9/11. The new administration is really a bunch of clueless whiners. Eventually the country will see that "The Empty Suit Has No Clothes."
Like or dislike George Bush..if there's one thing American's believe (the rational ones) it it George Bush did keep us safe from terror attacks. That's his present time legacy.
The jury's out on his true legacy. I believe it will be that George Bush began the reformation of the Middle East, a generational plan enacted in October 2001.
| 1058 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:10:00am |
re: #1055 solomonpanting
C'mon. You're making me squeenish.
| 1059 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:10:08am |
re: #1001 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Phnominal idea!
Wish I'd Pehned it myself!
What a snake in the lemongrass. I'm stewing here.
| 1060 |
jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:10:08am |
re: #1036 pre-Boomer Marine brat
BTW, remember that some of the stalkers might still have socks here.
| 1062 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:11:34am |
Did anybody see or hear of a reaction at the stalker sites? I don't go over there.
| 1063 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:12:26am |
| 1064 |
brucee Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:12:28am |
re: #1056 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thanks brucee... your comments are great. Adding perspective.
You're welcome :)
| 1065 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:12:34am |
re: #1036 pre-Boomer Marine brat
BTW, remember that some of the stalkers might still have socks here.
Darn them.
| 1066 |
slokat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:12:50am |
How do you tell if it's a private thread?
I can read this one while not logged in...
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:14:21am |
re: #1053 brucee
I guess you are thinking of Ayatollah Montazeri.
"Montazeri"? Sounds like a paisan. One day he may ask us for a favor... this day may never come, but if it does, he expects us to peform this favor immediately, and without question...
| 1070 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:15:12am |
re: #1065 Kosh's Shadow
re: #1036 pre-Boomer Marine brat
BTW, remember that some of the stalkers might still have socks here.
Darn them.
... and their entire Crew!
| 1071 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:15:31am |
| 1072 |
The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:16:04am |
re: #1062 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did anybody see or hear of a reaction at the stalker sites? I don't go over there.
Not me. I don't even know what all their url's or names are. Feh!
| 1073 |
Buck Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:16:07am |
A suggestion to Charles RE: The Spy Feature...
Need to know when there is a new thread....
| 1074 |
CIA Reject Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:16:08am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:16:09am |
re: #1068 Ben Hur
Anyone can provide a link to that CBS story?
Correct. There are no restrictions on who's allowed to provide that link.
/heh
| 1076 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:16:34am |
| 1077 |
StillAMarine Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:16:36am |
re: Kosh's Shadow
I would love to upding Kosh's Shadow for the "darn them" comment.
Kosh, consider yourself updinged.
| 1078 |
johnnyreb Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:16:58am |
re: #1010 unrealizedviewpoint
Panetta's setting it up for when the attack comes, and it will, how could it not with all this irresponsible recklessness...he's setting it up so some of the blame can be directed at Cheney and the previous admin.
But, it ain't gonna work, the blame and responsibility will land right on the White House steps.
Bush will be blamed for anything that happens for the entire term Obama is in office. I can't honestly see the MSM handling it any other way. Our economy is in the tank and we are in fact in a real depression but the MSM keeps reporting negative numbers with a positive spin. They created and own Obama and they know it. They can't back away now like some seem to think they will. It just can't happen as there is way too much baggage they can't hide. They know they would lose what little trust they have right now.
| 1079 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:17:34am |
| 1080 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:17:50am |
Fasten your seatbelts!
1511 Sharmuta
Sneak in and quote this, maggot stalkers.
It is you that doesn't have a life. Sitting around all fucking day watching this blog so you can cherry pick comments and make idiotic commentary on them. If this blog were gone tomorrow, it is you that would not know what to do with yourselves. No one to stalk, no one to hate. You LIVE for this blog more than any regular here, you pathetic cowards. This blog gives you meaning in a warped, frustrated, pathetic way. Go log in another sock puppet at your site so you have more "people" to talk to.
That is a great, "Don't talk Hillary, just drive..." speech if I've ever heard one.
| 1081 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:18:05am |
More on the protests here. The key grafs - not the increased violence and the appearance of Ahmadinejad's thugs wielding machetes, but this:
I attended the Vali Asr demonstration of support for Dr. Ahmadinejad yesterday afternoon. The turnout was impressive, mostly families and obviously religious types (called "momen" in Farsi). Many asked that I take their pictures and the mood was festive, defiant. They were chanting, but it is critical to note that only some of the chants were against Mousavi. Almost all were directed against Rafsanjani. He is seen as the big threat. This election and its aftermath is turning out to be the climax of an outstanding feud between Rafsanjani and Ahmadinejad in alliance with the Supreme Leader, Khamanei. What will be interesting is to see what Rafsanjani does next. He is regularly described as the "power behind the power," the man with real pull in Iran. What will he do?The man who almost certainly won the presidential election, Mir Hossein Mousavi, while known to be a man who does not back down (I know this directly from a man who worked with him directly on the Supreme Council of the Cultural Revolution), is also likely, like former president Mohammed Khatami, to try (at least at first) to calm the situation down, which is what we have already seen him do. This means that the movement and action out in the streets thus far lacks leadership. [Editor's Note: An organized protest called by Mousavi for 4 p.m. Monday in Tehran, 7:30 a.m. Eastern time, was apparently postponed. Supreme Leader Ali Khamanei has told Mousavi to pursue his challenge to the election results through legal means. Khamanei's words have been broadcast on state radio.
Mousavi's own restraint is working against him and his supporters maintaining pressure on the regime. Then again, that could be the point since Mousavi doesn't want to upset the apple cart so much as make sure he does his part in sustaining the regime.
| 1083 |
debutaunt Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:18:44am |
| 1084 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:18:58am |
| 1085 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:21:25am |
re: #1080 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Fasten your seatbelts!
1511 Sharmuta
That is a great, "Don't talk Hillary, just drive..." speech if I've ever heard one.
Or Shatner saying "Get a life" to trekkies. (A SNL sketch, when it was funny)
| 1086 |
subsailor68 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:22:21am |
An open note to the men and women of the CIA:
Thank you all for your service, your dedication, and your skills. Please remember that there are millions of Americans who understand how important your work is, and how lucky we are.
I'm sure you know better than we do that sometimes you have great leadership, sometimes not so great. Regardless of which type, you folks are appreciated.
Oh yeah, for those critics who choose to harp on your "mistakes" over the years, also remember the old saying "the only way to make sure you don't make a mistake is to do nothing at all."
Thank you all again.
| 1087 |
jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:22:35am |
re: #1061 Iron Fist
I've noted a difference between east and west Emergency Services cultures in the US. In Fire, EMS and Law Enforcement, the view form 30,000 feet is that the East the development of those services was in an already urban political environment and with it went a certain political consideration with even emergency service, where the politics was corrupt so were emergency service.
The term Plug Ugly comes from Fire Companies hiring a thug to get to a fire hydrant first and fight off other fire companies so their company could have the water to fight the fire. Companies got paid by the insurance companies.
Out west emergency services developed as a community effort for until recently law and enforcement and fire protection was done by volunteers who were part of the community.
Out of that a different culture has developed on the two coast.
| 1088 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:23:17am |
re: #1085 Kosh's Shadow
Or Shatner saying "Get a life" to trekkies. (A SNL sketch, when it was funny)
Speaking of which... have you seen Bill Whittle's Star Trek TOS bit at Pajamas Media, on why it's not really a good thing if Obama is a Vulcan? I highly recommend it. And be sure to stay tuned through the closing credits... especially the very last visual.
| 1089 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:23:58am |
[Link: twitpic.com...] - photo of one of the Tehran demonstrations today.
| 1090 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:24:06am |
re: #1088 Occasional Reader
Speaking of which... have you seen Bill Whittle's Star Trek TOS bit at Pajamas Media, on why it's not really a good thing if Obama is a Vulcan? I highly recommend it. And be sure to stay tuned through the closing credits... especially the very last visual.
I'll mark this to watch at home.
| 1091 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:24:55am |
re: #1081 lawhawk
More on the protests here. The key grafs - not the increased violence and the appearance of Ahmadinejad's thugs wielding machetes, but this:
Mousavi's own restraint is working against him and his supporters maintaining pressure on the regime. Then again, that could be the point since Mousavi doesn't want to upset the apple cart so much as make sure he does his part in sustaining the regime.
Very interesting that they were near-universally against Rafsanjani. This seems to indicate another IRGC event. ShortShit's know to cook up "demonstrations" by Pasdaran in street clothes. The Pasdaran hate Rafsanjani's guts.
| 1092 |
redstateredneck Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:25:04am |
re: #1049 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Please don't distract me.
I'm trying to read Esquire.
Be careful of your Price Albert.
/could not resist
| 1094 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:25:13am |
Obama talking about health "reform" before the AMA and the Dow is dropping and I am turning it off.
| 1095 |
unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:25:22am |
re: #1078 johnnyreb
Bush will be blamed for anything that happens for the entire term Obama is in office. I can't honestly see the MSM handling it any other way. Our economy is in the tank and we are in fact in a real depression but the MSM keeps reporting negative numbers with a positive spin. They created and own Obama and they know it. They can't back away now like some seem to think they will. It just can't happen as there is way too much baggage they can't hide. They know they would lose what little trust they have right now.
American's demand change with the advent of two events: Blood loss & money loss. Obama is not insulated no matter how much spin the MSM provides.
| 1096 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:25:28am |
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redstateredneck Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:26:16am |
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JohnnyReb Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:26:50am |
I have a bad feeling that Obama is going to go for yet another round of spending and Biden is setting it up with this bit:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
I mean come on "we guessed wrong" on unemployment? You were off by an order of magnitude idiot. We are going to see another huge lame bail out in the very near future I suspect.
| 1101 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:27:07am |
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:27:52am |
A perspective on what's happening in Iran:
My colleague Ali Alfoneh says that Khamenei’s paranoia and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps’s desire to exert more control mean things are going according to plan. That’s another way to look at the election results, and it puts the crudeness of its handling in a different perspective that makes sense. Perhaps what’s happening isn’t a loss of control, but the groundwork to assert much more control?
The second big question is how this matters to the United States. Successive presidents have made clear (rhetoric notwithstanding, George Bush) that they don’t care much for the well-being of the Iranian people. The U.S. government’s priorities are, in descending order, the Iranian nuclear weapons program, support for terrorism, and a few footnotes about regional interference and generic bad behavior. If the White House’s impressive silence is any indication, President Obama hasn’t yet figured out what to make of developments. Ahmadinejad’s death-grip on power probably makes a hash of Obama’s desire for détente, but that will only matter if the president chooses to admit that Iran has no intention of engaging in a dialogue aimed at ending its nuclear program (as opposed to a dialogue that is an end in and of itself). And since that has been obvious for some time, it seems unlikely Obama will make any such admission. Instead, we will persist in efforts to lure the Iranian government to talks. Indeed, you can almost hear the conversation inside the National Security Council: “Doesn’t the unrest in Iran mean Ahmadinejad needs a rapprochement with the United States? Won’t this really help us?” Just wait for it.
Watch for signs from the Obama admin that this proves their request for talks is a good idea right now.
| 1104 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:28:11am |
| 1105 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:28:33am |
A DRUNKEN Cambridge University student staggers home after a wild party - dubbed Suicide Sunday - ended with revellers collapsing and throwing up
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]
Maybe it's just me, but I never found throwing up drunk much fun?
| 1106 |
CIA Reject Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:29:10am |
re: #1097 buzzsawmonkey
Do you have Prince Albert in a can?
Heh- reminds me of a friend's crank call to a bowling pro shop:
Friend: Do you have 16 pound balls?
Pro Shop: Yes!
Friend: Then how the hell do you walk!?
| 1107 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:29:28am |
re: #1094 Nevergiveup
Obama talking about health "reform" before the AMA and the Dow is dropping and I am turning it off.
Or maybe this has something to do with it:
Barack Obama eyes tighter controls on banks, Wall Street
| 1108 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:30:04am |
This is not a private thread. I logged off and could read everything just fine.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:30:26am |
re: #1106 CIA Reject
Heh- reminds me of a friend's crank call to a bowling pro shop:
Friend: Do you have 16 pound balls?
Pro Shop: Yes!
Friend: Then how the hell do you walk!?
Did they try to go after your friend but they just couldn't pin it on him?
| 1111 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:30:27am |
re: #1089 lawhawk
The turnout looks huge but I noticed Iranian tweets aren't as active as they were this weekend. Either everybody's out protesting or the protests are losing some momentum.
| 1112 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:30:50am |
re: #1094 Nevergiveup
Obama talking about health "reform" before the AMA and the Dow is dropping and I am turning it off.
Come back...
My dentist just got done with me. I never had this happen before, but, my left cheek and left side of my mouth doesn't seem to have much muscle control (from the shot), so, the left corner of my mouth is "slanting" up, giving me a Batman Joker sort of weird smile.
Of course, I've had pain shots before, and fillings before, but it never effected my smile.
Freaky.
| 1113 |
Desert Dog Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:31:00am |
re: #1096 Dark_Falcon
That's like calling CBS the US version of Soviet Era Pravda. Or course, that is not fair comparison as Pravda had better journalistic standards than CBS is currently presenting, even if it was a tool of the state.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:31:17am |
re: #1105 Nevergiveup
A DRUNKEN Cambridge University student staggers home after a wild party - dubbed Suicide Sunday - ended with revellers collapsing and throwing up
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]
Maybe it's just me, but I never found throwing up drunk much fun?
I've never thrown up a drunk?
| 1115 |
CIA Reject Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:31:25am |
re: #1110 Kosh's Shadow
Did they try to go after your friend but they just couldn't pin it on him?
Naw, they couldn't spare the time...
| 1116 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:32:03am |
re: #1106 CIA Reject
Call the local grocery store:
Me: Do you have Robin Hood by the bag?
Store clerk: Yes we do.
Me: Well let go! Don't you know that hurts?
| 1117 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:32:21am |
re: #1112 Walter L. Newton
Did you ever dance with the Devil in the pale moonlight?
| 1118 |
CIA Reject Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:32:42am |
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:32:45am |
re: #1102 Iron Fist
The Bush admin had a saying that went like this: We need be right (bout terror) 100% of the time, where they need be right only once. There's a much older saying that goes like this: If it ain't broke don't fix it. Mr. Obama, leave it alone.
| 1121 |
subsailor68 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:33:10am |
re: #1107 Kosh's Shadow
Or maybe this has something to do with it:
Barack Obama eyes tighter controls on banks, Wall Street
Hi Kosh! Great link, but a little maddening, eh?
Consumers and lenders whose unwitting or reckless credit and borrowing decisions placed families under staggering debts and contributed to the instability of the financial system. Obama is likely to recommend creating a financial services consumer protection body with oversight powers over mortgages and credit cards and other consumer financial products.
Here's an idea. Based on that, I'd recommend the creation of a department to do nothing but keep an eye on Chris Dodd and Barney Frank.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:33:11am |
re: #1112 Walter L. Newton
Come back...
My dentist just got done with me. I never had this happen before, but, my left cheek and left side of my mouth doesn't seem to have much muscle control (from the shot), so, the left corner of my mouth is "slanting" up, giving me a Batman Joker sort of weird smile.
Of course, I've had pain shots before, and fillings before, but it never effected my smile.
Freaky.
It happens, or of course you could be having a stroke?
/ just kidding about the stroke thing probably. Unless he really charged you alot then, ya never know?
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jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:33:11am |
re: #1093 buzzsawmonkey
Thank you for adding a new entry to my Nonessential Information file!
I love the etymology of words.
| 1124 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:33:40am |
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Desert Dog Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:33:41am |
re: #1114 Walter L. Newton
I've never thrown up a drunk?
I admit it, I have driven the "porcelain bus"...I have "prayed at the altar"....college and drinking, it is a sad commentary on our society, but that is what you do whilst getting "higher"educated.
| 1126 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:34:03am |
re: #1103 Kenneth
A perspective on what's happening in Iran:
Watch for signs from the Obama admin that this proves their request for talks is a good idea right now.
Unfortunately, Biden has already blathered away that "no matter what the election outcome, we want to talk". Again, the fetishization of "talking" by Western elites... and the thugs know about this weakness, and fully exploit it.
| 1127 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:34:10am |
re: #1103 Kenneth
Watch for signs from the Obama admin that this proves their request for talks is a good idea right now.
I'm not really very concerned about what Obama is going to say. I'm wondering what we are actually doing. Are we delivering satellite phones to generals to talk them into supporting the protesters? Are we bribing, paying off or helping behind the scenes? We might never really know but I suspect there's a lot of activity going on despite whatever public statements are being made.
| 1129 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:35:12am |
re: #1122 Nevergiveup
It happens, or of course you could be having a stroke?
/ just kidding about the stroke thing probably. Unless he really charged you alot then, ya never know?
Really, strange, the right side of my mouth is slanting down (like a frown) and the left side is going up (like a smile). All I need is some clown makeup and I could scare the shit out of all the kids in the neighborhood.
| 1130 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:35:19am |
re: #1120 buzzsawmonkey
Did you go to a dentist, or an irredentist?
The Arabs' irredentism represents the root canal cause of the Middle East problem.
| 1131 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:35:43am |
re: #1128 buzzsawmonkey
Line that Jack Nicholson used as the Joker in the first "Batman" film.
Oh, didn't see it.
| 1132 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:35:48am |
re: #1097 buzzsawmonkey
Do you have Prince Albert in a can?
OT, & true:
1958, an aunt came to visit us in Honolulu. She'd recently bought a Canon camera. It developed a mechanical hiccup, and Dad took the cover off to fix it.
While inside, he discovered that one of the flat parts inside had been stamped from a Prince Albert can. He'd smoked PA for years, and the labeling (still visible on the part) was unmistakable.
| 1134 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:35:55am |
Huffpo....
12:21 PM ET -- Gunfire at Azari Square. Oh no.# URGENT -- People were seen running in panic after the gunfire but it is unclear if anyone has been shot. Details to come.4 minutes ago from BNO Headquarters
# URGENT -- Iranian state TV says gunfire has erupted at the pro-Mousavi rally in Tehran where hundreds of thousands of people were protesting4 minutes ago from BNO Headquarters# BULLETIN -- GUNFIRE ERUPTS AT PRO-MOUSAVI RALLY IN TEHRAN, PEOPLE RUNNING.
| 1135 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:36:16am |
re: #1128 buzzsawmonkey
Line that Jack Nicholson used as the Joker in the first "Batman" film.
And now, Walter will tell us how his father gave him those scars...
/updating cinematic reference a bit
| 1136 |
Desert Dog Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:36:42am |
re: #1130 Occasional Reader
The Arabs' irredentism represents the root canal cause of the Middle East problem.
The decay of that society has impacted the entire planet
| 1137 |
Dianna Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:37:03am |
re: #1121 subsailor68
The real headache is that people get scared, desperate, and create their own disasters.
But the current resolution system sucks, too. People should have to pay back what they borrowed, but if the companies insist on insane interest rates, there's no way to catch up.
$90,000 can be paid back, but not if four different creditors are charging interest that turns it into $98,000 by the end of the month!
| 1138 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:37:10am |
| 1139 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:37:23am |
re: #1135 Occasional Reader
And now, Walter will tell us how his father gave him those scars...
/updating cinematic reference a bit
No I won't. I don't even know what you are talking about.
| 1140 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:37:39am |
[Link: twitter.com...]
BULLETIN -- AT LEAST ONE DEAD AFTER PRO-GOVERNMENT MILITIA OPEN FIRE AT OPPOSITION SUPPORTERS IN TEHRAN.
| 1141 |
solomonpanting Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:37:55am |
re: #1136 Desert Dog
The decay of that society has impacted the entire planet
Many Middle Easterners are indentured servants.
| 1142 |
debutaunt Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:37:58am |
re: #1127 Killgore Trout
My concern is when Obama starts stuttering and seems lost.
| 1143 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:38:01am |
re: #1127 Killgore Trout
I'm not really very concerned about what Obama is going to say. I'm wondering what we are actually doing. Are we delivering satellite phones to generals to talk them into supporting the protesters? Are we bribing, paying off or helping behind the scenes? We might never really know but I suspect there's a lot of activity going on despite whatever public statements are being made.
Too bad I don't trust this administration to be on the right side if it is really doing anything like this.
| 1144 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:38:06am |
re: #1094 Nevergiveup
Obama talking about health "reform" before the AMA and the Dow is dropping and I am turning it off.
he said people should stop smoking ....
has he quit?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:38:26am |
re: #1108 Kenneth
This is not a private thread. I logged off and could read everything just fine.
Uh oh!
Should I put pants on?!
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:38:41am |
re: #1139 Walter L. Newton
No I won't. I don't even know what you are talking about.
(It's a reference to the Joker in the most recent Batman movie. Hey, you're the one who brought up the Joker, don't blame me.)
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:39:11am |
re: #1117 Occasional Reader
This town needs an enema. /jack napier
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:39:15am |
re: #1143 Kosh's Shadow
Too bad I don't trust this administration to be on the right side if it is really doing anything like this.
Obama already said that we can't push our way of life and politics on other countries, why would he do anything in this case?
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:39:22am |
re: #1145 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Uh oh!
Should I put pants on?!
Depends ( yes if yur wearing them?) are you sitting down or standing up?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:39:52am |
re: #1140 Killgore Trout
[Link: twitter.com...]
BULLETIN -- AT LEAST ONE DEAD AFTER PRO-GOVERNMENT MILITIA OPEN FIRE AT OPPOSITION SUPPORTERS IN TEHRAN.
The next 3 or 4 hours will be critical. Will this be Romania 1989, or Tianemen Square?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:40:36am |
re: #1150 Occasional Reader
A lot of people were predicting that today would be critical. That might be the case.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:40:40am |
re: #1137 Dianna
The real headache is that people get scared, desperate, and create their own disasters.
But the current resolution system sucks, too. People should have to pay back what they borrowed, but if the companies insist on insane interest rates, there's no way to catch up.
$90,000 can be paid back, but not if four different creditors are charging interest that turns it into $98,000 by the end of the month!
Hi Dianna! Oh, I'm totally with you on that. Heck, I thought we had usury laws to deal with this kind of highway robbery, but I'm not as up on them as I should be.
Yep, people need to be responsible; they need to pay off loans, but they do need to be sheltered somehow from interest rates that go from 1.5% to 30+% if they're late on a payment or two!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:40:42am |
re: #1130 Occasional Reader
The Arabs' irredentism represents the root canal cause of the Middle East problem.
Put a cap on it!
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:41:43am |
Hey lizards...My VPN Cisco Client seems to be working....
We made it up to the Cabin....It's frigging raining...Can you believe that shit?
I'm having issues with IE6 and my email with this IP tunnel.. Be back in a while
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justabill Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:42:03am |
re: #1110 Kosh's Shadow
Did they try to go after your friend but they just couldn't pin it on him?
Didn't we just have a bowling based pun thread....
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jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:42:37am |
re: #1145 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Uh oh!
Should I put pants on?!
Too late the pics are all over the innerwebz already.....
ER visits for nausea way up....
;-P
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VegasRick Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:42:58am |
re: #1152 Killgore Trout
A lot of people were predicting that today would be critical. That might be the case.
FOX should cut away from Dr. zero and cover this.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:43:14am |
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alegrias Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:43:18am |
OT
LIVE
Obama: We must create incentives for doctors to team up.
(Be teamsters?)
Be collectivized?
Pres. Obama's telling the gathering of doctors how to practice medicine better, because our system sucks. (synthesizing this for you.)
(PS, remember Pres. Obama's wife made $300,000 as a bureaucrat at a "nonprofit" hospital)
Wonder why healthcare costs so much....
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:43:22am |
Muted Response Reflects U.S. Diplomatic Dilemma
The confused aftermath of Iran's presidential election is complicating the Obama administration's planned outreach to the Islamic republic and underscoring the challenges facing the president's new approach to the Middle East based on shared values and common interests.
Reality bites.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:44:04am |
re: #1158 VegasRick
FOX should cut away from Dr. zero and cover this.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:44:18am |
re: #1158 VegasRick
The right wing blogs aren't very interested in the story either. Just strange.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:44:39am |
re: #1157 jcm
Too late the pics are all over the innerwebz already.....
ER visits for nausea way up....
;-P
OH NOEZ!
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solomonpanting Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:44:47am |
Prager just said there's half a million people demonstrating in Tehran.
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JohnnyReb Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:45:33am |
re: #1153 subsailor68
Hi Dianna! Oh, I'm totally with you on that. Heck, I thought we had usury laws to deal with this kind of highway robbery, but I'm not as up on them as I should be.
Yep, people need to be responsible; they need to pay off loans, but they do need to be sheltered somehow from interest rates that go from 1.5% to 30+% if they're late on a payment or two!
Most people did not read the fine print before they ran up huge credit card balances. I do agree interest rates should not go up that high just for a couple of missed payments. We once had a card that tried that nonsense with us because our payment got there one day after the due date (I suspect it was there on time, but close so they tried some shenanigans on us). We just called them up and said we would like to cancel the card and I would send a check to cover the amount. It wasn't a big balance, but I could imagine if it was and we were forced to pay of $5K at 30% interest, that would have taken a few years.
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Dianna Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:45:40am |
re: #1153 subsailor68
Hi Dianna! Oh, I'm totally with you on that. Heck, I thought we had usury laws to deal with this kind of highway robbery, but I'm not as up on them as I should be.
Yep, people need to be responsible; they need to pay off loans, but they do need to be sheltered somehow from interest rates that go from 1.5% to 30+% if they're late on a payment or two!
I see nothing wrong with the resolution people getting interest. But 2-5% sounds reasonable. Over 20%?!
Do they want to get their money, or don't they? Because I'm here to tell you that, if they keep charging that kind of interest, they can whistle for repayment from the little old ladies they lent all that money to.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:45:45am |
re: #1163 Killgore Trout
The right wing blogs aren't very interested in the story either. Just strange.
Without data all one has is speculation.
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Macker Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:46:48am |
re: solomonpanting
Prager just said there's half a million people demonstrating in Tehran.
Really! I hope the folks who are protesting don't let up! Back those Islamofascist Bastards to the Wall!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:47:06am |
re: #1167 Dianna
You have my continued thoughts.
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Desert Dog Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:47:57am |
re: #1161 Kenneth
Muted Response Reflects U.S. Diplomatic Dilemma
Reality bites.
He will give Dinnerjacket and the turbaned bastards all the legitimizing and cover they will need. Whatever resistance there was to this regime, Obama will erase it but propping up the current leadership with his negotiation skills. And, when the dust settles, they will have their nuclear bombs and Obama will feel like a Stradivarius after a concerto....played.
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Dianna Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:48:02am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:48:05am |
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:48:21am |
AP photographer reports that shots fired at protesters have killed at least one person.
Shots were fired Monday at a rally by pro-reform presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi, apparently by pro-government militia.An Associated Press photographer saw one person shot dead and several others who appeared to be seriously wounded in Tehran's Azadi Square. The shooting came from a compound for volunteer militia linked to Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard.
"There has been sporadic shooting out there ... I can see people running here," added a reporter of Iran's English-language Press TV.
Story continues below ↓advertisement %P% your ad hereMore than 100,000 Mousavi backers had defied an Interior Ministry ban to cheer their leader in his first public appearance since elections he claims were marred by fraud. The government says President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won re-election with 63 percent of the vote.
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Dianna Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:48:42am |
re: #1172 Nevergiveup
Aren't we a right wing blog?
I think that depends on who you ask.
Charles is equally reviled from many sides, these days.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:48:47am |
re: #1126 Occasional Reader
Unfortunately, Biden has already blathered away that "no matter what the election outcome, we want to talk". Again, the fetishization of "talking" by Western elites... and the thugs know about this weakness, and fully exploit it.
Talking is all Obama and Biden will ever want to do. Their party contains a wing that hates its own country, so they lose their base if they do anything other than talk.
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Desert Dog Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:49:30am |
re: #1176 lawhawk
AP photographer reports that shots fired at protesters have killed at least one person.
Thanos predicted this last week. The mullahs will act fast and make everyone know who is in charge.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:49:36am |
re: #1163 Killgore Trout
The right wing blogs aren't very interested in the story either. Just strange.
This blogs owner has yet to post a related thread.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:50:06am |
re: #1178 Dianna
I think that depends on who you ask.
Charles is equally reviled from many sides, these days.
Well considering where the "center" may be these days, most of us here are right of center.
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vxbush Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:50:42am |
re: #1182 Nevergiveup
Well considering where the "center" may be these days, most of us here are right of center.
No, I'm Center-right! Splitter!
/
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alegrias Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:50:47am |
re: #1165 solomonpanting
Prager just said there's half a million people demonstrating in Tehran.
* * * *
Hezbollah the Iranian paid thugs can bring out millions of people in Lebanon's streets, PLUS they have weapons.
Pres. Obama COULD say something to encourage the HOPES of these poor people yearning for freedom, who naively believed Obama's yakkety yak.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:50:51am |
re: #1111 Killgore Trout
The turnout looks huge but I noticed Iranian tweets aren't as active as they were this weekend. Either everybody's out protesting or the protests are losing some momentum.
Or the twitter feeds are being cut by the gov't.... we can't read anything into it.
One million strong protest today is nothing short of amazing. The regime is seriously threatened by this.
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Dianna Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:50:52am |
re: #1180 Desert Dog
Thanos predicted this last week. The mullahs will act fast and make everyone know who is in charge.
If so, I wonder if they haven't miscalculated. A few shots fired is as likely to infuriate the populace as it is to intimidate them.
Rolling the tanks might be more effective and less bloody.
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:50:54am |
Meanwhile, Pakistan says that it's preparing an offensive against Mehsud, and the US isn't waiting - killing five in an UAV airstrike is South Waziristan.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:51:25am |
re: #1178 Dianna
I think that depends on who you ask.
Charles is equally reviled from many sides, these days.
I suspect some lizards here, at times, experience a love, not so love, relationship with Charles. :)
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:51:53am |
re: #1176 lawhawk
AP photographer reports that shots fired at protesters have killed at least one person.
And than is liable to really set the match to the gasoline. We're about to see a nasty crackdown. If the protesters keep it up, they'll get hammered, but keep it up they must. Better to be gunned down in the street than wait at home for the knock on the door from the secret police. At least the bullets kill you quickly.
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Dianna Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:52:20am |
re: #1188 unrealizedviewpoint
I suspect some lizards here, at times, experience a love, not so love, relationship with Charles. :)
Even when I disagree profoundly, I respect him.
Though I won't deny that I get very, very irritated.
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:52:33am |
re: #1163 Killgore Trout
I'm curious to know which right wing blogs you're reading that you're not seeing coverage.
The ones I've been tracking have. And while I am not a right winger (but am often lumped in that way), I've got my coverage.
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Wendya Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:52:54am |
re: #1153 subsailor68
Yep, people need to be responsible; they need to pay off loans, but they do need to be sheltered somehow from interest rates that go from 1.5% to 30+% if they're late on a payment or two!
If you have multiple cards and are late on one payment to card A, cards B and C can raise their rates as well. As Dianna pointed out, the companies seem to be trying to make it as difficult as possible to pay off debt.
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Dianna Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:53:09am |
Ha!
Thread on the Iranian situation!
Take that, anyone who thinks Charles isn't interested!
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Desert Dog Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:53:10am |
re: #1186 Dianna
If so, I wonder if they haven't miscalculated. A few shots fired is as likely to infuriate the populace as it is to intimidate them.
Rolling the tanks might be more effective and less bloody.
I hope they toss them out and all of the mullahs end up swinging from trees. I would give the advantage to the government though.....they have the army and "justice" is usually delivered from the barrel of a gun in that part of the world.
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Dianna Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:54:23am |
re: #1195 Desert Dog
I hope they toss them out and all of the mullahs end up swinging from trees. I would give the advantage to the government though.....they have the army and "justice" is usually delivered from the barrel of a gun in that part of the world.
Well, yes.
But I don't actually expect that, as the mullahs still view themselves as legitimate, and don't seem to be wavering in their conviction of their own righteousness.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:55:06am |
twitter # RUMOR: Fake assassination attempt on AhmadiN planned for tomorrow to divert attention from election fraud (via @lotfan) #iranelectionabout 2 hours ago from web
That would be the excuse the gov't needs to crack down hard. We could see a military coup lead by the IIRG & Basiji.
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realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:55:20am |
re: #1172 Nevergiveup
For the 5+ years I've been out here, I would say LGF has been a centrist blog - leaning heavily right on the GWoT and leaning slightly left on social issues. FWIW.
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redstateredneck Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:56:47am |
re: #1131 Walter L. Newton
Oh, didn't see it.
It's also a song lyric, but I can't remember the song.
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jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:58:45am |
re: #1176 lawhawk
AP photographer reports that shots fired at protesters have killed at least one person.
Mehdon Azadi, just out side Mehribad International Airport
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realwest Mon, Jun 15, 2009 10:00:54am |
re: #1185 Kenneth
Or the twitter feeds are being cut by the gov't.... we can't read anything into it.
One million strong protest today is nothing short of amazing. The regime is seriously threatened by this.
Kenneth - did you notice from your link the concerns of the EU, France, Germany, Great Britain and, fwliw, the UN but NO MENTION of the U.S.A. or Canada?
Why do you think this is? I admit it's a confusing situation, but am surprised by the lack of a stronger statement - or even a subsequent statement from the Obama Administration since Saturday and don't know what Canada has had to say about this situation.
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jcm Mon, Jun 15, 2009 10:03:04am |
re: #1196 Iron Fist
Cool. That is very interesting. That might help explain why everyone has such an adversarial feeling towards the police here in the South. I'd have figured that that went to prohibition, when vast swaths of the population were made criminals for using hard liquor.
It's changing in the urban areas, LA most notably. Seattle the cops are well regarded by most, but the administration loathed.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 15, 2009 10:05:45am |
re: #1202 realwest
There's nothing from the Canadian Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the Iranian election. No idea why so silent. Canada has a significant Iranian population, especially in Toronto & Vancouver, where the Conservative gov't could use more support. Iranians in Toronto were out in peaceful protests yesterday.
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debutaunt Mon, Jun 15, 2009 10:08:37am |
re: #1190 Dianna
Even when I disagree profoundly, I respect him.
Though I won't deny that I get very, very irritated.
Did you see Debra Saunders editorial in the Sunday Comical?
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Jun 15, 2009 10:36:19am |
re: #1206 Iron Fist
I don't know Charles' views on gun control, but you can take it to the bank that the average lizard is pro-second amendment. Gun threads are fun threads, but I've never seen Charles put a Gun Thread on the front page. That drive LGF watch completely insane. Especially if it was on some of the new toys they show on Future Weapons.
It'd be a blast :-)
Up until recently he always avoided the very very controversial topics such as abortion. I think the Tiller shooting made that impossible for him though. Overall lizards did pretty well IMO, very few meltdowns on those threads, quite controlled. I think a lot of lizards just stayed away and watched TV instead. Not me, I was right in there (well sometimes) fighting for the Right to life. :)
As far as guns, I don't know where he stands. He had opportunity with the D.C. Heller, Supreme Court Decision last June, but chose not to make a thread of it.
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