White Supremacist Twins Charged in Mall Bombing

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A matching pair of “anti-immigration activists” has been charged with bombing a diversity office in Arizona.

PHOENIX  —  Twin brothers have been indicted in a 2004 mail bombing that injured the diversity director of the Arizona city of Scottsville.

Dennis and Daniel Mahon are charged with conspiracy to damage buildings and property by means of explosive, according to an indictment unsealed Thursday and filed June 16 in federal court.

The indictment says the brothers, who live in Illinois, intended to “promote racial discord” on behalf of the White Aryan Resistance.

The package detonated in Don Logan’s hands on Feb. 26, 2004, in the city’s Human Resources Complex. Logan oversaw diversity issues for city employees and citizens, including racial and sex discrimination. The blast injured Logan’s hand and arm. A secretary also was injured, and both spent about a week in the hospital.

Authorities arrested the brothers in their Davis Junction, Illinois, home and say they had assault weapons, hundreds of rounds of ammunition and white supremacist material.

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308 comments
1 Obsidiandog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:08:10am

More Illinois Nazis?

I hate Illinois Nazis!

2 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:08:25am

I hate Illinois nazis.

3 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:09:05am

I commented on this last night, and I'm bothered that I don't remember the bombing. Stories about bombs get my attention.

And why did a pair of Illinois nazis back during the Bush administration pick on some bureaucrat in Arizona?

4 zombie  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:09:15am

Twins?

When i saw the headline, I thought you were talking about Prussian Blue! Seriously!

5 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:09:15am

Double Trouble.

6 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:09:15am

So they've caught Larry and Darryl; but what about their other brother Darryl?

/

7 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:09:28am

Ok, squabblers. Who wants to be the first to complain to Charles for posting this? I posted it last night and was called obsessed and accused of imagining things. Who wants to take on the Boss?

8 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:09:30am

What the h--- do white Aryans have to resist? Bad stereotypes perpetuated by The Dukes of Hazard and too much Rap on MTV?

9 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:09:58am

I do not understand the need to prove you are special by becoming pond scum.

"I will prove to you that we are superior by engaging in criminal acts."

FAIL

10 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:10:13am

Dennis and Daniel? The deadly duo?

11 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:10:43am
12 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:10:48am

re: #3 Dianna

And why did a pair of Illinois nazis back during the Bush administration pick on some bureaucrat in Arizona?


He was the head of a "diversity" program. They were defending the cause of White Nationalism.

13 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:10:51am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Ok, squabblers. Who wants to be the first to complain to Charles for posting this? I posted it last night and was called obsessed and accused of imagining things. Who wants to take on the Boss?

I saw it on the music thread, posted by doppelganglander (I think?).

And I already commented on this.

Control your persecution complex and your paranoia, will you? It's really getting out of hand.

14 sngnsgt  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:11:01am

re: #9 EmmmieG

You're insulting pond-scum...

15 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:11:09am

Dennis and Daniel's detonation hurt Don.

16 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:11:17am

OT: Good article........[Link: townhall.com...]

17 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:11:35am
Authorities arrested the brothers in their Davis Junction, Illinois, home and say they had assault weapons, hundreds of rounds of ammunition and white supremacist material

I always love that part.

(I recall that the white supremacist nuts who were arrested for an alleged plot to assassinate Obama were described as having "dozens" of rounds of ammunition.)

18 zombie  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:11:41am
White Supremacist Twins Charged in Mall Bombing

White Supremacist Twins: Prussian Blue.

19 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:12:13am

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

I was thinking the same thing. Really.

AND SO, THE GAME IS MINE, MR. BOND!

20 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:12:22am

May they be convicted and spend a long, hard time in prison.

(if i say anything more i will be on the short end of the banstick)

21 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:12:30am

re: #14 sngnsgt

You're insulting pond-scum...

Good point. Pond scum is actually a vital part of the earth's ecology.

22 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:12:35am

Dennis and Daniel, who live in Davis, detonated a non-dud, injuring Don.

23 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:12:35am

re: #12 Killgore Trout

He was the head of a "diversity" program. They were defending the cause of White Nationalism.

But they're from Illinois. And this guy's a bureaucrat, he doesn't set policy, from what I can pick up. It's just weird.

Oh, hell - I'm asking for logic from a pair of white supremacists! That's not going to happen.

Never mind.

24 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:12:58am

White Aryan Resistance has been around since the early 1980s. It's Tom Metzger's old outfit.

In other words, this isn't some new outfit. It's one that the FBI, SLPC and ADL have been following for years.

25 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:13:16am

Those guys used to rule the food court at the mall.

26 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:13:30am

I wonder what websites they visited.

27 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:13:49am

Again, no hat tip joy. Just one before I die, please?

28 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:13:59am

re: #23 Dianna

Don dominated Diversity?

29 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:14:39am

re: #27 doppelganglander

Again, no hat tip joy. Just one before I die, please?

Hat tip: doppelganglander

I do what I can...

30 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:14:49am

re: #13 Dianna

I saw it on the music thread, posted by doppelganglander (I think?).

And I already commented on this.

Control your persecution complex and your paranoia, will you? It's really getting out of hand.

Thank you. And I began with, "Sssshhh, don't tell Killgore."

31 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:14:49am

More info here...
Feds make arrests in Scottsdale bombing


As recently as Jan. 5, Dennis Mahon ordered someone to "take action against the power grid in Arizona or Texas in the event that leaders of the white resistance, such as himself, were arrested," the indictment states.


It also lead to nationwide arrests.....
Former Northland KKK leader indicted in Arizona bombing

32 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:14:51am

re: #28 quickjustice

Don dominated Diversity?

Apex of Alliteration!

33 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:15:07am

re: #27 doppelganglander

Again, no hat tip joy.

Blame John F. Kennedy.

34 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:15:23am

re: #26 Sharmuta

Shhhhhh!

35 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:15:26am

totally predictable...more to come sadly

36 poteen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:15:33am

re: #4 zombie

That would have been a hoot, huh. The bombing Barbies.

37 kansas  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:15:37am

OT
Monica Conyers plead guilty to conspiracy to commit bribery today. Wife of John Conyers. Buehler? Buehler?

38 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:15:51am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

More info here...
Feds make arrests in Scottsdale bombing


It also lead to nationwide arrests.....
Former Northland KKK leader indicted in Arizona bombing

So that's why it's been lying dormant for five years! Yay, law enforcement!

39 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:15:52am

re: #4 zombie

Twins?

When i saw the headline, I thought you were talking about Prussian Blue! Seriously!

So did I!

40 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:15:57am

re: #24 lawhawk

More to the point, it once again reinforces my belief that if law enforcement wants to track down hate groups, they need to start with following those that espouse antisemitism. That's usually the harbinger of bad jobu to come.

41 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:16:04am

re: #29 MrSilverDragon

Hat tip: doppelganglander

I do what I can...

Thank you. I can be terribly childish and petty at times.

42 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:16:18am

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Shhhhhh!

Think they're VB fans?

43 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:16:36am

Their cats have also been taken into custody.

44 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:16:55am

re: #41 doppelganglander

Thank you. I can be terribly childish and petty at times.

No worries, I'm terribly childish and petty all the time. It's a gift.

45 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:16:59am

re: #32 Dianna

Dianna describes Dennis and Daniel detonating non-dud that injured Don, the dominating don of diversity!

46 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:17:12am

re: #40 lawhawk

More to the point, it once again reinforces my belief that if law enforcement wants to track down hate groups, they need to start with following those that espouse antisemitism. That's usually the harbinger of bad jobu to come.

Since the bombing was in 2004, and KT links a series of other stories, it looks like law enforcement has been doing precisely what you suggest.

47 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:17:26am

re: #38 Dianna

So far it's just been lone wolf type attacks. If they get coordinated they could potentially pull off something pretty big.

48 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:17:42am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Ok, squabblers. Who wants to be the first to complain to Charles for posting this? I posted it last night and was called obsessed and accused of imagining things. Who wants to take on the Boss?

HOW'D you know what I was thinkin', comin' in?!?

----------------------------
CHARLES,

I protest the rabid posting of these trivialities!
You haven't put up a photo of a SUPERTANKER in AGES!
Get back to the IMPORTANT stuff!

////// < --- yeah, guess I better put in several

49 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:18:09am

re: #23 Dianna

But they're from Illinois. And this guy's a bureaucrat, he doesn't set policy, from what I can pick up. It's just weird.

Oh, hell - I'm asking for logic from a pair of white supremacists! That's not going to happen.

Never mind.

My guess as to why they targeted Arizona is because of the anti-immigrant groups operating there and the large number of illegal immigrants. I wouldn't be surprised to find a connection to that crackpot woman who's charged with murdering a man and a 9-year-old.

50 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:18:38am

Again, cases like this are one reason why the Bush administration originally commissioned the DHS report on right wing extremism.

51 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:18:42am

re: #1 Obsidiandog

re: #2 Sharmuta

Youtube Video
52 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:18:50am

re: #43 Desert Dog

Desert Dog chases cats?

53 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:18:53am

re: #47 Killgore Trout

So far it's just been lone wolf type attacks. If they get coordinated they could potentially pull off something pretty big.

Yes, and that's always been the case.

But the most organized these maniacs have gotten, so far, was the Freemen in Montana. Which wasn't all that organized.

54 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:19:03am

Someone needs to set up a conspiracy kook web site with broad appeal that includes instructions on how to make a bomb which is in reality a device that spews large amounts of harmless purple smoke when ignited.

That way the cops can find the human ass droppings easily lock their ignorant racist asses up.

55 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:19:13am

re: #49 doppelganglander

My guess as to why they targeted Arizona is because of the anti-immigrant groups operating there and the large number of illegal immigrants. I wouldn't be surprised to find a connection to that crackpot woman who's charged with murdering a man and a 9-year-old.

Arizona, come for the scenery, stay for the race wars.

56 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:20:09am

"Raising Arizona", the original child kidnapping comedy.

57 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:20:09am

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

HOW'D you know what I was thinkin', comin' in?!?

----------------------------
CHARLES,

I protest the rabid posting of these trivialities!
You haven't put up a photo of a SUPERTANKER in AGES!
Get back to the IMPORTANT stuff!

////// < --- yeah, guess I better put in several

Stinky points to a spot in the right field bleachers..........

58 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:20:20am

re: #55 Desert Dog

As a side track, every time I see your avatar I laugh heartily. Love it!

59 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:20:25am
Twin brothers

Can't get much less diverse than that.

60 WinterCat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:20:36am

Are these people republicans? If they are republicans then the republican party is in a world of hurt and it better get busy cleaning up on isle 4 right away.

61 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:21:05am

re: #49 doppelganglander

My guess as to why they targeted Arizona is because of the anti-immigrant groups operating there and the large number of illegal immigrants. I wouldn't be surprised to find a connection to that crackpot woman who's charged with murdering a man and a 9-year-old.

You're not alone in wondering that.

It's also occurred to me that there might be some kind of underground contact, though that's hardly necessary, given the six degrees of separation.

62 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:21:05am

re: #47 Killgore Trout

So far it's just been lone wolf type attacks.

"Lone wolf"? Sounds glamorous.

WHY IS KILLGORE TROUT PROMOTING RIGHT-WING HATE?

//

63 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:21:40am

re: #57 jcm

Stinky points to a spot in the right field bleachers..........

AAIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

64 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:21:40am

2004

65 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:21:42am

re: #17 Occasional Reader

Isn't it hilarious? Friend of mine has thousands. Not a wingnut, not a survialist, just a very dedicated farmer in the deep rural parts of his area.

/okay, most of that is in .22 rimfire but still.

66 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:22:17am

re: #50 Charles

Again, cases like this are one reason why the Bush administration originally commissioned the DHS report on right wing extremism.

Then they should have rejected the result and commissioned another one.

67 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:22:21am

re: #60 WinterCat

Are these people republicans? If they are republicans then the republican party is in a world of hurt and it better get busy cleaning up on isle 4 right away.

People like this typically hate the GOP.

68 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:22:23am

re: #62 Occasional Reader

"Lone wolf"? Sounds glamorous.

WHY IS KILLGORE TROUT PROMOTING RIGHT-WING HATE?

//

Lone Wolf sounds very Chuck Norris to me...

/McQuade!

69 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:22:34am

re: #65 BlueCanuck

Isn't it hilarious? Friend of mine has thousands. Not a wingnut, not a survialist, just a very dedicated farmer in the deep rural parts of his area.

/okay, most of that is in .22 rimfire but still.

Hell, probably most gun owners (myself included) have at least "hundreds" on hand at any given time. And "dozens"... well, that's one box!

70 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:23:42am

There was an article in Reader's Digest once (which means it was somewhere else first, I think) that I wish I had reprints of. I'm going to mangle this, and it said it much better, but it made the point that if you want attention, and to be unique, then do something great or develop your talents. Dying your hair blue doesn't really take work, and doesn't really make you special.

The example they gave was Benny Goodman, who looked like an account, but ruled the clarinet. He didn't look weird; you would have passed him on the street and not looked twice, but he was very special.

I butchered that, but if anyone knows where to get a reprint, let me know. I've always wanted to have my kids read it.

71 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:23:45am

re: #67 MandyManners

People like this typically hate the GOP.

I think they're more likely to Paulians, if they follow politics at all. If they are, it will be very gratifying to Killgore.

72 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:24:03am

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh. There we go! I take so much shit for posting the same stuff as Charles. It's really frustrating sometimes.

73 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:24:32am

re: #70 EmmmieG

There was an article in Reader's Digest once (which means it was somewhere else first, I think) that I wish I had reprints of. I'm going to mangle this, and it said it much better, but it made the point that if you want attention, and to be unique, then do something great or develop your talents. Dying your hair blue doesn't really take work, and doesn't really make you special.

The example they gave was Benny Goodman, who looked like an account, but ruled the clarinet. He didn't look weird; you would have passed him on the street and not looked twice, but he was very special.

I butchered that, but if anyone knows where to get a reprint, let me know. I've always wanted to have my kids read it.

Reader's Digest is online. Depending on how old it is, you might find it there.

74 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Heh. There we go! I take so much shit for posting the same stuff as Charles. It's really frustrating sometimes.

No, you take shit for the comments you attach (and the assumptions you make in said comments) to the articles you post.

Curb your persecution complex.

75 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:25:27am

Barack Obama was a candidate for Illinois senate in 2004.

76 WinterCat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:26:02am

re: #67 MandyManners

People like this typically hate the GOP.

Okay. But unfortunately, right wing and right wing extremism are not separated in many people's minds...particularly people who are swing voters. We know that democrats will group them because it suits them to do so. But people who are in the middle and only read the headlines see "right wing" and that means republicans to many. So, it is a real problem for the republicans, I think, even if these people aren't republicans and hate the GOP.

77 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:26:11am

re: #75 Ben Hur

Barack Obama was a candidate for Illinois senate in 2004.


Candidate for US senate.

78 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:26:18am

re: #75 Ben Hur

Barack Obama was a candidate for Illinois senate in 2004.

Was he? I've lost track of which campaign he was involved in when. I thought that was in 2002!

79 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:26:19am

re: #49 doppelganglander

I wouldn't be surprised to find a connection to that crackpot woman who's charged with murdering a man and a 9-year-old.


Good point. They were also planing to attack the power grid and some Al Qaeda idiot released a video a few months back saying that they were coordinating with white supremacists to bomb a power station. There might also be a connection there too.

80 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:26:47am

re: #40 lawhawk

More to the point, it once again reinforces my belief that if law enforcement wants to track down hate groups, they need to start with following those that espouse antisemitism. That's usually the harbinger of bad jobu to come.

From Killgore's second link in #31

The arrest Thursday of Dennis Mahon and his twin brother, Daniel Mahon, in Illinois Thursday coincided with weapons charges against Robert Joos, a Powell, Mo., man, whom Dennis Mahon allegedly contacted the morning the bomb arrived at the Scottsdale Office of Diversity and Dialogue.

Though Joos was charged in Springfield, Mo., with being a felon in possession of firearms, he is not alleged to have participated in the Arizona mail-bombing.

This time, it was da Joos!

81 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:26:54am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Heh. There we go! I take so much shit for posting the same stuff as Charles. It's really frustrating sometimes.

wrong...it's your liberal charm that turns people off

82 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:27:00am

re: #71 doppelganglander

I think they're more likely to Paulians, if they follow politics at all. If they are, it will be very gratifying to Killgore.

I don't see them even being Paulians. WAR is a movement unto itself.

83 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:27:01am

re: #75 Ben Hur

Barack Obama was a candidate for Illinois senate in 2004.

And, those Nazis are from Illinois......therefore> OBAMA IS A NAZI!? OMG!

84 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:27:07am

re: #75 Ben Hur

Barack Obama was a candidate for Illinois senate in 2004.

So, sadly, was Alan Keyes.

85 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:27:16am

Trying to be someone else inevitably is.

86 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:27:41am

re: #76 WinterCat

Okay. But unfortunately, right wing and right wing extremism are not separated in many people's minds...particularly people who are swing voters. We know that democrats will group them because it suits them to do so. But people who are in the middle and only read the headlines see "right wing" and that means republicans to many. So, it is a real problem for the republicans, I think, even if these people aren't republicans and hate the GOP.

This is WAR.

87 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:27:42am

re: #84 Honorary Yooper

So, sadly, was Alan Keyes.

Alan Keyes in not a Nazi...he is just an idiot

88 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:27:56am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Ok, squabblers. Who wants to be the first to complain to Charles for posting this? I posted it last night and was called obsessed and accused of imagining things. Who wants to take on the Boss?

PREACH! IT!

89 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:28:00am

re: #81 albusteve

wrong...it's your liberal charm that turns people off

I'm not so sure about that. People here don't seem to like being thumped over the head multiple times with something.

90 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:28:12am

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Perhaps they should have studied John Kerry to learn how to bomb effectively? /

91 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:28:22am

re: #77 Ben Hur

Candidate for US senate.

2006, wasn't it?

92 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:28:30am

White morons. Eventually we'll all be coffee-colored (with cream).

We'll all enjoy the nookie too.

93 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:28:40am

re: #89 Honorary Yooper

I'm not so sure about that. People here don't seem to like being thumped over the head multiple times with something.

Ya dam right, that's what my wife's job!

94 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:28:40am

re: #74 Dianna

Bullshit. Charles even tagged the thread with "right wing" and "extremists". The exact same thing I caught shit for last night. The squabblers are looking more insincere all the time.

95 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:29:04am

re: #87 Desert Dog

Alan Keyes in not a Nazi...he is just an idiot

Never said he was anything but an idiot. But, who's the bigger idiot? The idiot Keyes, or the idiots who nominated him after losing their nominee?

96 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:29:16am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Bullshit. Charles even tagged the thread with "right wing" and "extremists". The exact same thing I caught shit for last night. The squabblers are looking more insincere all the time.

You are not Charles.

Start there.

97 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:29:26am

re: #88 iceweasel

PREACH! IT!

Why would we complain about this post? These guys are scumbags and I hope they each get a nice does of prison love while incarcerated.

98 restitutor orbis  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:29:45am

All this does is minimizes any real criticism of diversity kommisars and illegal invaders.

99 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:29:55am

re: #91 Dianna

2006, wasn't it?


I thought 2004. DNC speech.

100 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:30:31am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Heh. There we go! I take so much shit for posting the same stuff as Charles. It's really frustrating sometimes.

Heh, keep doing it (whether I might agree or not in a specific instance)

------------------------
not OT, merely metaphorical:

IIRC, Charles Shultz had an early Peanuts strip (back when a lot of theology could be found there) where Snoopy was somehow described as the Hound of Heaven.

It's a good function, as long as one keeps a humble eye on the mirror.

101 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:30:34am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Even a broken clock is right twice a day! ;-)

102 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:30:41am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Bullshit. Charles even tagged the thread with "right wing" and "extremists". The exact same thing I caught shit for last night. The squabblers are looking more insincere all the time.

It's how you do it, and how Charles does it. One presents a measured article while the other seems to prefer thumping people over the head with it. You have a lot to learn from Charles, Killgore (as do we all).

103 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:30:57am

OT - drugs are bad, mmkay?

[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

104 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:31:43am

Apologies for the early re: #94 Killgore Trout

Bullshit. Charles even tagged the thread with "right wing" and "extremists". The exact same thing I caught shit for last night. The squabblers are looking more insincere all the time.


Strident and shrill vs. studied and measured comes to mind.

I get your point on this and most topics that you post on, but the constant pounding and pounding and pounding of repetitive points grates.

105 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:32:40am

re: #104 CynicalConservative

Pounding and repetition are the qualities of a skilled political operative.

106 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:32:58am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Who wants to take on the Boss?


I will, I don't like his music even though I often agree with his politics.
Springsteen is not all that great. :)

107 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:32:59am

re: #98 restitutor orbis

All this does is minimizes any real criticism of diversity kommisars and illegal invaders.

Indeed. I favor immigration reform and enforcing the border, but I have no problem with immigration as a whole. I just want them to come here legally, and I think we should be more selective in to this country. But when the movement gets tainted with racists, it ruins the issue for the rest of us.

108 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:33:15am

Perhaps one reason Charles doesn't take as much crap for posting stuff like this is because he rarely follows up posts about jihadist wannabes with "boy those (fill in the political party of choice) need to clean house if they want their party to survive".

109 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:33:15am

re: #105 quickjustice

Pounding and repetition are the qualities of a skilled political operative.

don't forget the ridicule

110 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:33:17am

Grrrr, multiple mixed comments.

111 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:33:32am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Bullshit. Charles even tagged the thread with "right wing" and "extremists". The exact same thing I caught shit for last night. The squabblers are looking more insincere all the time.

Nope. I saw Charles' tags.

I never saw your post of this last night, and saw no comments in response to you. But I can - and will - keep remarking on your whinging about how you're being persecuted until you start getting it.

I don't agree with Charles' position on the DHS memo, as you are aware. But Charles is not constantly crying (before anything is said, even!) about how he is being beaten up on.

You see the difference?

My concern is what is showing in many of your comments lately. I am worried.

112 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:34:02am

O/T - Watching the Cap and TAX debate on the house floor. Aside from being a pure partisan side-show, it reminds me of a slow motion train wreck. If it passes the house, one can only hope that it dies a well deserved death in the Senate.

113 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:34:16am

re: #105 quickjustice

Pounding and repetition are the qualities of a skilled political operative.

Sad but true.

114 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:34:20am

re: #107 Sharmuta

and I think we should be more selective in who we let into this country.

PIMF

115 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:34:37am

re: #106 avanti

I will, I don't like his music even though I often agree with his politics.
Springsteen is not all that great. :)

You have managed to switch that around, have you? I think his music is great. It's when he stops singing and starts talking that pisses me off.

116 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:34:50am

re: #99 Ben Hur

I thought 2004. DNC speech.

There were so many campaigns! It's like he never had an office, because he was running for another.

117 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:34:56am

re: #111 Dianna

Most bloggers have a bit of a masochistic streak. Some are just better at it than others.

118 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:34:59am

re: #106 avanti

YOUR KARMA IS IN POSITIVE TERRITORY!
THIS IS A TRAVESTY!

/*grinning as I tease*

119 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:35:23am

re: #115 Desert Dog

You have managed to switch that around, have you? I think his music is great. It's when he stops singing and starts talking that pisses me off.

I think both aspects suck, but that's just a personal opinion.

120 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:36:18am

re: #116 Dianna

There were so many campaigns! It's like he never had an office, because he was running for another.

Exactly.

Then, one day, he woke up and said, "I'm the effen what of the effen United effen States?"

121 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:36:19am

Cap and Trade Being Pulled? [Steve Hayward]

Word flying around D.C. as of 1:30 is that Waxman-Markey is being pulled, suggesting Pelosi doesn't have the votes. It may be they need a little more time to buy off one or two
122 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:36:59am

re: #118 pre-Boomer Marine brat

YOUR KARMA IS IN POSITIVE TERRITORY!
THIS IS A TRAVESTY!

/*grinning as I tease*

Hang on I feel the earth poles reversing!

123 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:36:59am

re: #115 Desert Dog

You have managed to switch that around, have you? I think his music is great. It's when he stops singing and starts talking that pisses me off.

Springsteen is a huge drooling Obot...never grew up...some of his rants sound like a teenager, totally disconnected from reality....it's a disease

124 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:37:01am

re: #121 jcm

Cap and Trade Being Pulled? [Steve Hayward]

Please, please, please be true.

125 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:37:23am

re: #119 CynicalConservative

I think both aspects suck, but that's just a personal opinion.

I remember his song "I'm on Fire", and I remember thinking 'Great! Maybe I won't have to listen to you sing or speak again.'

/i'm not nice sometimes.

126 WinterCat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:37:28am

re: #107 Sharmuta

Indeed. I favor immigration reform and enforcing the border, but I have no problem with immigration as a whole. I just want them to come here legally, and I think we should be more selective in to this country. But when the movement gets tainted with racists, it ruins the issue for the rest of us.

Yes, exactly. Because it enables the opponent to tag you with the brush of an extremist. It is a pretty neat trick really. Calling someone a racist works the same way. We saw this during the election. Very unfair and dishonest but very effective in silencing discussion.

127 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:37:42am

re: #106 avanti

I will, I don't like his music even though I often agree with his politics.
Springsteen is not all that great. :)

I love his (older, better) music but he shows himself to be a fool when he opens his yap about politics. He's very talented, but not all that smart. Being from NJ, I know a lot of people who knew him.

128 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:37:48am

re: #123 albusteve

Springsteen is a huge drooling Obot...never grew up...some of his rants sound like a teenager, totally disconnected from reality....it's a disease

And his "music" makes my ears and eyes bleed

129 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:38:06am

re: #125 MrSilverDragon

I remember his song "I'm on Fire", and I remember thinking 'Great! Maybe I won't have to listen to you sing or speak again.'

/i'm not nice sometimes.

Loves it!

130 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:38:18am

bbl

131 ryannon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:38:19am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Ok, squabblers. Who wants to be the first to complain to Charles for posting this? I posted it last night and was called obsessed and accused of imagining things. Who wants to take on the Boss?

C'mon, you know we love you Killgore.

Well, some of us anyway.

:-)

132 WinterCat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:38:33am

re: #128 CynicalConservative

And his "music" makes my ears and eyes bleed

Oh, I like Sprinsteen.

133 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:38:50am

re: #121 jcm

Cap and Trade Being Pulled? [Steve Hayward]

Shit think of the money and political favors you could bank away if you were some crappy unknown first term congressman on the fence and you are THE deciding vote. Man, that could be a career right there.

134 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:38:56am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Heh. There we go! I take so much shit for posting the same stuff as Charles. It's really frustrating sometimes.

I once thought I could use Charles as cover by agreeing with him on a controversial thread. Proud to say I took a few rounds in the chest for the Big Guy in the attempt.

135 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:38:58am

re: #128 CynicalConservative

And his "music" makes my ears and eyes bleed

never been a fan...he can write a hook but that's it

136 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:39:00am

re: #76 WinterCat

Okay. But unfortunately, right wing and right wing extremism are not separated in many people's minds...particularly people who are swing voters. We know that democrats will group them because it suits them to do so. But people who are in the middle and only read the headlines see "right wing" and that means republicans to many. So, it is a real problem for the republicans, I think, even if these people aren't republicans and hate the GOP.

I have to disagree, completely.

No-one hears about a Scott Roeder or a von Brunn and thinks, "gee, that's a Republican". No one.
Normal people--and by that I mean everyone, yes, including democrats and liberals and people on the left-- know that 'right wing extremists' bear no relation to republicans or to conservatives.

It's so very odd that republicans and people on the right keep insisting that this DHS report was about THEM, and keep insisting on antics like carrying signs that say "right wing extremist". NO-ONE has called such people 'right wing extremists". The DHS report surely did not.

So why the insistence by people on the right that this report--all about racism, white supremacism, fringe elements-- is actually about them?

137 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:39:05am

You know what we really need more of is Michael Jackson threads. /

138 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:39:22am

re: #123 albusteve

Springsteen is a huge drooling Obot...never grew up...some of his rants sound like a teenager, totally disconnected from reality....it's a disease

Well he is freak en liberal - thats all I need to know

139 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:39:51am

re: #137 DaddyG

You know what we really need more of is Michael Jackson threads. /

and cowbell...

140 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:40:00am

re: #128 CynicalConservative

I like some of Springsteen's music, but I don't get why he's revered as some kind of rock god. And since I play the harmonica, I often have people request Springsteen songs (like Springsteen is even known for his harp playing!) when I play gigs where the audience doesn't know much about blues.

141 saylorfam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:40:05am

re: #133 Nevergiveup


Can you say Marjorie Margolies Mezvenski.....one term junior congresswoman from PA. Tossed for making such a vote!

142 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:40:08am

re: #134 avanti

I once thought I could use Charles as cover by agreeing with him on a controversial thread. Proud to say I took a few rounds in the chest for the Big Guy in the attempt.

Well there's another term for that behavior?

143 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:40:08am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Killgore,

Just sayin' ... see Dianna's #111 ... I believe she has a point.

/a friend

144 kansas  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:40:21am

Lot of ass kissing on this thread.

145 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:40:34am

re: #123 albusteve

His politics suck, no doubt, but he is a great performer and songwriter. I've seen him 5-6 times, each time it was an awesome show.

146 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:40:48am

re: #137 DaddyG

You know what we really need more of is Michael Jackson threads. /

Well, when thay auction off all of his clothes in a few months...

147 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:40:57am

re: #144 kansas

Lot of ass kissing on this thread.

And here I forgot my video camera.... dang it!

148 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:41:04am

Uh-oh: I noted that last week the Arizona GOP website was hosting a fairly racist anti-immigration video. On of the guys arrested was Tom Metzger......
Maricopa GOP


May 2 - SUN CITY WEST REPUBLICAN CLUB (1st Sat) 8 am coffee & pastry. 8:30 am mtg. Quail Room in the Foundation Bldgs, xxxxxx Johnson Blvd., Sun City West. Admission $2. Membership $10 per person or $15 per family. Chr Merlyn Carlson xxxxxxxx, Tom Metzger xxxxxxxx@cox.net

This is the same site hosting the video.

Could it be the same guy?

149 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:41:13am
150 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:41:19am

re: #141 saylorfam

Can you say Marjorie Margolies Mezvenski.....one term junior congresswoman from PA. Tossed for making such a vote!

Well I can't say it, but what she walk away with behind curtain #1?

151 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:41:38am

re: #137 DaddyG

You know what we really need more of is Michael Jackson threads. /

Oh, beat it.

152 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:41:46am

re: #122 jcm

Hang on I feel the earth poles reversing!


Avanti: From something like -1000 karma to +17.
Do we have a comeback player of the year award for Lizards?

153 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:42:21am

re: #140 Mad Al-Jaffee

I like some of Springsteen's music, but I don't get why he's revered as some kind of rock god. And since I play the harmonica, I often have people request Springsteen songs (like Springsteen is even known for his harp playing!) when I play gigs where the audience doesn't know much about blues.

Ha!

Thunder Road? You have some there....

154 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:42:29am

re: #142 Nevergiveup

Well there's another term for that behavior?

hahaha!...good one

155 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:42:52am

re: #149 taxfreekiller

Cap and Trade crap if pulled is because they know it will fail in the Senate and they know if they go on the record and vote for this commie crap they will lose many seats in the House in 2010 on this one issue, let alone
National Health Care, the Union bail outs and the over spending.

running scared now, and more to come IMO

Yes, when your constituents are out of work, or worried about being out of work while trying to help family and friends find work...

Not a good time to kneecap the economy.

156 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:42:55am

re: #124 CynicalConservative

Please, please, please be true.

I'll Be Back......

/Capntradenator

157 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:43:01am

Darn it seems were all out of martyr cookies today. Must have used them all in the morning food fight.

158 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:43:15am

re: #151 MandyManners
Well played.

159 Obsidiandog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:43:27am

re: #69 Occasional Reader

Hell, probably most gun owners (myself included) have at least "hundreds" on hand at any given time. And "dozens"... well, that's one box!

I'm always bemused on TV news when you see somebody's firearm collection (including BB and pellet guns and the odd hunting knife) laid out on a table, labeled an "arsenal" or a "weapons cache".

Often the story has nothing to do with guns but somehow the poor slob had the cops search his house for something else..

160 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:43:27am

re: #152 HoosierHoops

Avanti: From something like -1000 karma to +17.
Do we have a comeback player of the year award for Lizards?

SSHHH!
I'm trying to convince him that it's an Epic Fail !

161 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:43:29am

re: #152 HoosierHoops

Avanti: From something like -1000 karma to +17.
Do we have a comeback player of the year award for Lizards?

I don't ding...what's it for again?

162 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:43:35am

re: #132 WinterCat

Oh, I like Sprinsteen.

That's OK, music is a very personal thing. I don't hold your music appreciation against you.

163 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:43:37am

re: #115 Desert Dog

You have managed to switch that around, have you? I think his music is great. It's when he stops singing and starts talking that pisses me off.

Look, I had to lie to pull the joke off, you must know I'm a fan of the Boss. (Both of them)

164 saylorfam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:43:56am

re: #150 Nevergiveup

Clinton made a bunch of promises, he lied. SURPRISE! Cost her the re election. This was the vote that passed the retroactive tax increase. Pissed a lot of people off.

165 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:44:08am

re: #149 taxfreekiller

Cap and Trade crap if pulled is because they know it will fail in the Senate and they know if they go on the record and vote for this commie crap they will lose many seats in the House in 2010 on this one issue, let alone
National Health Care, the Union bail outs and the over spending.

running scared now, and more to come IMO

One can hope.

Good stuff TFK, always appreciated.

166 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:44:14am

re: #148 Killgore Trout


Could it be the same guy?

Could there be gambling at Ricks?

me fail english? That's umpossible! /

167 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:44:16am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Uh-oh: I noted that last week the Arizona GOP website was hosting a fairly racist anti-immigration video. On of the guys arrested was Tom Metzger......
Maricopa GOP


This is the same site hosting the video.

Could it be the same guy?

THE Tom Metzger?

168 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:44:19am

re: #152 HoosierHoops

Avanti: From something like -1000 karma to +17.
Do we have a comeback player of the year award for Lizards?


The Karma Chameleon Award.

169 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:44:33am

re: #151 MandyManners

Oh, beat it.

Oh, you didn't....

/snap

170 kansas  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:44:47am

re: #155 EmmmieG

Yes, when your constituents are out of work, or worried about being out of work while trying to help family and friends find work...

Not a good time to kneecap the economy.

When is a good time for Democrats to kneecap the economy?

171 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:44:58am

re: #152 HoosierHoops

Avanti: From something like -1000 karma to +17.
Do we have a comeback player of the year award for Lizards?

-2000 at some point iirc....

172 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:44:59am

re: #107 Sharmuta

I agree. The people of the world who wants to come here should do it the right way. It is for their own good. With illegals, you have tooimany greedy a-holes paying people peanuts for hard work

173 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:45:04am

re: #159 Obsidiandog


Ha! That's nothing. You should see my "chocolate cache." That would bug out a few eyes laid out on a table!

I'm a dangerous woman, I am.

174 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:45:13am

re: #164 saylorfam

Clinton made a bunch of promises, he lied. SURPRISE! Cost her the re election. This was the vote that passed the retroactive tax increase. Pissed a lot of people off.

Well she was stupid. Ya don't vote till the cash is in that swiss bank account.

175 kansas  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:45:21am

re: #163 avanti

Look, I had to lie to pull the joke off, you must know I'm a fan of the Boss. (Both of them)

Jesus dude, have some pride.

176 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:45:22am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Whoa!

Surely not the same guy?! Wasn't Metzger convicted of a felony?

177 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:45:27am

re: #170 kansas

When is a good time for Democrats to kneecap the economy?

Well, for us lizards, I'd say somewhere around election time...

178 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:45:29am

re: #156 jcm

I'll Be Back......

/Capntradenator

Such is what keeps me up nights...

179 calcajun  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:45:43am

Sadly, there may very well be more incidents like this with this current president. The fear expressed by so many folks I know who I took for reasonable, rational types is surprising. It's almost inevitable that others like them, with their fear and paranoia fueled by a constant diet of nothing but talk radio and interacting with only like-minded people that one will pop and do something like this.

180 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:45:48am

re: #168 DaddyG

The Karma Chameleon Award.

Boy!

George.

181 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:45:56am

re: #142 Nevergiveup

Well there's another term for that behavior?

If Charles wore a skirt, I'd have hid behind it.

182 ryannon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:46:12am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Heh. There we go! I take so much shit for posting the same stuff as Charles. It's really frustrating sometimes.

I always thought you were Charles.

183 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:46:13am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Uh-oh: I noted that last week the Arizona GOP website was hosting a fairly racist anti-immigration video. On of the guys arrested was Tom Metzger......
Maricopa GOP

This is the same site hosting the video.

Could it be the same guy?

Whoa there big fella.....THAT Tom Metzger is not hiding out in Sun City.

according to wiki:

Tom Metzger

says he lives in Warsaw, IN. Looks like he's run for office a few times, as a Democrat.

184 kansas  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:46:20am

re: #177 MrSilverDragon

Well, for us lizards, I'd say somewhere around election time...

That'd be sweet. I am so sick of these bastards.

185 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:46:29am

re: #173 EmmmieG

Ha! That's nothing. You should see my "chocolate cache." That would bug out a few eyes laid out on a table!

I'm a dangerous woman, I am.

Especially if we take your chocolate?

186 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:46:33am

re: #126 WinterCat

Yes, exactly. Because it enables the opponent to tag you with the brush of an extremist. It is a pretty neat trick really. Calling someone a racist works the same way. We saw this during the election. Very unfair and dishonest but very effective in silencing discussion.

I agree. I think legitimate, non-racist immigration groups on the left and right need to come together and push the racists out, and find some common ground. We should all be able to agree on border enforcement. It's a national security risk. I'm sure there are some other areas where left and right could work to find common ground and come up with solutions to our problems.

187 calcajun  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:46:45am

re: #152 HoosierHoops

Avanti: From something like -1000 karma to +17.
Do we have a comeback player of the year award for Lizards?

That reminds me...I have tell him his check didn't clear.///

188 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:47:14am

re: #179 calcajun

Sadly, there may very well be more incidents like this with this current president. The fear expressed by so many folks I know who I took for reasonable, rational types is surprising. It's almost inevitable that others like them, with their fear and paranoia fueled by a constant diet of nothing but talk radio and interacting with only like-minded people that one will pop and do something like this.

or worse...it's inevitable...tanking the economy and not protecting our borders pisses alot of people off

189 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:47:16am

re: #155 EmmmieG

Yes, when your constituents are out of work, or worried about being out of work while trying to help family and friends find work...

Not a good time to kneecap the economy.

Smoot Hawley '29.
Waxman Markey '09.

The only thing we learn from history, is that we don't learn from history.

190 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:47:20am

re: #181 avanti

If Charles wore a skirt, I'd have hid behind it.


Mayday! Mayday! Avanti is going down again...

191 medaura18586  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:47:28am

I know it's probably not in the best of taste, but I can't help wondering how all these white supremacists obsessed with the purity of their gene pools, are without exception ugly deformed inbred physically repulsive freaks.

If they were built like Greek/Aryan gods, hell, I could see a smidgen of something to the obsession with their lineage. But really, there is nothing conceivably worth preserving in their gene pool.

[Link: eyeonhate.com...]

Look at these ugly white-trash creeps!

192 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:47:28am

re: #181 avanti

If Charles wore a skirt, I'd have hid behind it.

Well that wasn't the term I was reaching for. Hey but I like ya. I don't agree you much, but after all I got married also, so I'll get over that.

193 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:47:41am

re: #122 jcm

Hang on I feel the earth poles reversing!

I'll pretend I did not notice, but thanks Lizards, it's been a hell of a climb.

194 calcajun  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:47:44am

re: #180 Mad Al-Jaffee

Boy!

George.

"Do you really want to hurt me?" -Boy George.

YES. Yes, we really do.///

195 mattm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:47:44am

OT

Cap-and-tradetax does is very close. WH staff wants it done now. THe dems have put a "Placeholder" in the bill TBD later. Thed do not have the votes yet.

Call, email and FAX you Rep.

The list...
[Link: www.afphq.org...]

196 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:47:47am

re: #176 Dianna

He was arrested just yesterday.

197 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:47:56am

re: #190 HoosierHoops

Mayday! Mayday! Avanti is going down again...

Brain bleach

198 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:48:08am

re: #152 HoosierHoops

Avanti: From something like -1000 karma to +17.
Do we have a comeback player of the year award for Lizards?

Here's a really scary thought!
Maybe it's not Avanti.
Maybe the rest of us Lizards are moving to the Left!

/multiple reflexive wrist-slashings in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ... 2 ...

199 kansas  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:48:11am

re: #190 HoosierHoops

Mayday! Mayday! Avanti is going down again...

Is it OK to downding him for all this gratuitous bullshit?

200 LGoPs  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:48:31am

re: #136 iceweasel

I have to disagree, completely.

No-one hears about a Scott Roeder or a von Brunn and thinks, "gee, that's a Republican". No one.
Normal people--and by that I mean everyone, yes, including democrats and liberals and people on the left-- know that 'right wing extremists' bear no relation to republicans or to conservatives.

It's so very odd that republicans and people on the right keep insisting that this DHS report was about THEM, and keep insisting on antics like carrying signs that say "right wing extremist". NO-ONE has called such people 'right wing extremists". The DHS report surely did not.

So why the insistence by people on the right that this report--all about racism, white supremacism, fringe elements-- is actually about them?

I have to disagree with you - completely.
The overwhelming bias of the media sets an undeniable tone in the national 'discussion' and that tone is that conservatives and/or republicans are always labeled as right-wing or far right-wing. Conversely, this label is never applied to liberals and leftists. Ever.
And this does in fact create a perception in people's minds, especially in the minds of those that are not particularly politically engaged, the very same undecided's that often determine the outcome of elections.
Perception is reality and the media works overtime to establish that perception.

201 kansas  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:48:41am

re: #198 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Bingo.

202 ryannon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:48:50am

re: #144 kansas

Lot of ass kissing on this thread.

Consenting adults.

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

203 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:49:16am

re: #198 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I tried, but with late onset of dyslexia by the move from right to left I missed. :p

204 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:49:20am

re: #198 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Here's a really scary thought!
Maybe it's not Avanti.
Maybe the rest of us Lizards are moving to the Left!

/multiple reflexive wrist-slashings in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ... 2 ...

I think the sky would be blocked out by pork air force before that happened...

205 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:49:26am

re: #172 hous bin pharteen

I agree. The people of the world who wants to come here should do it the right way. It is for their own good. With illegals, you have tooimany greedy a-holes paying people peanuts for hard work

There are plenty of laws on the books already. We should try enforcing some of them. My understanding is the crackdowns in the South West have led to illegals heading home since they can't find work. Just start with applying the law. We can go from there.

(Also- I have no problem with a guest worker program)

206 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:49:46am
207 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:49:53am

re: #196 Killgore Trout

He was arrested just yesterday.

Have I missed a link?

208 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:50:14am

re: #207 MandyManners

Have I missed a link?

We all have a missing link somewhere

209 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:50:14am

re: #179 calcajun

Sadly, there may very well be more incidents like this with this current president. The fear expressed by so many folks I know who I took for reasonable, rational types is surprising. It's almost inevitable that others like them, with their fear and paranoia fueled by a constant diet of nothing but talk radio and interacting with only like-minded people that one will pop and do something like this.

You did notice the date of the crime? 2004?

210 calcajun  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:50:20am

re: #198 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Oh......F**k you and everyone that looks like you!////////////////

There. That felt better.

No. We're not moving left. We're nicely centered, thank you very much.

211 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:50:34am

To tie two threads together, if Cap and Trade passed, Springsteen would have to re-write Born to Run to be about running, not driving.
/

212 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:50:39am

re: #208 Nevergiveup

We all have a missing link somewhere

I think I am a missing link...

213 kansas  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:50:46am

re: #206 taxfreekiller

Well liberals always have the boogie man Ron Paul to fall back on,,
not that the old fool has any power or clout, he is just the only
loon strawman they have a close relationship with, it being most of his support is anti war former Democrats.

I think Sarah Palin is their more effective boogie man.

214 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:50:49am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Bullshit. Charles even tagged the thread with "right wing" and "extremists". The exact same thing I caught shit for last night. The squabblers are looking more insincere all the time.

Did ya find a Tea Party connection yet?

215 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:51:26am

re: #208 Nevergiveup

We all have a missing link somewhere

No.. It's not missing..It's living in my basement and owes me rent...

216 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:51:45am

re: #212 CynicalConservative

I think I am a missing link...

Is having a single helix problematic?

/

217 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:51:52am

re: #204 MrSilverDragon

I think the sky would be blocked out by pork air force before that happened...

Perhaps we are more tolerant of over viewpoints here? A more civilized debate? I do not think you'd find this kind of set up over at our opposites at KOS or Huffpo.....or, even on more righty blogs either.

218 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:51:54am

re: #161 albusteve

I don't ding...what's it for again?

Every time you upding a liberal a angel gets it's wings taxed.

219 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:52:05am

re: #183 Desert Dog

It might just be a coincidence but he is a famous name and has been active in a few states over the years. This story does have an Arizona connection. It's possible but I think probably unlikely that it's the same guy.

220 WinterCat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:52:05am

re: #136 iceweasel

I have to disagree, completely.

No-one hears about a Scott Roeder or a von Brunn and thinks, "gee, that's a Republican". No one.
Normal people--and by that I mean everyone, yes, including democrats and liberals and people on the left-- know that 'right wing extremists' bear no relation to republicans or to conservatives.

I would disagree with you. I think many people, particularly those who don't look too deeply into a story do lump republicans into the mix. And republican leadership is trying to push back on that notion because it is quite deadly for the future of the party.
Right-wing rhetoric on hold after museum shooting

221 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:52:08am

re: #208 Nevergiveup

We all have a missing link somewhere

Some of us have evolved.. The rest? Not so much... It just sorta happened that way. //////

222 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:52:28am

re: #211 Kosh's Shadow

To tie two threads together, if Cap and Trade passed, Springsteen would have to re-write Born to Run to be about running, not driving.
/

"Baby we were born to take the buuuuu-sss, oh oh oh ohh oh oh"

223 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:52:36am

re: #196 Killgore Trout

He was arrested just yesterday.

Which one?

I'm losing track because I'm working at the same time.

224 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:52:45am

re: #203 BlueCanuck

I tried, but with late onset of dyslexia by the move from right to left I missed. :p

Actually, I had my SockPuppy type that comment ... while I was chopping my hand off with a machete.

:D

225 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:52:45am

re: #191 medaura18586

I know it's probably not in the best of taste, but I can't help wondering how all these white supremacists obsessed with the purity of their gene pools, are without exception ugly deformed inbred physically repulsive freaks.

If they were built like Greek/Aryan gods, hell, I could see a smidgen of something to the obsession with their lineage. But really, there is nothing conceivably worth preserving in their gene pool.

[Link: eyeonhate.com...]

Look at these ugly white-trash creeps!

Interesting, isn't it?

The same point has been made about Hitler and the architects of the "Master Race", obsessed with an ideal of 'Aryan' physical perfection.

None of the people pushing that ideal came anywhere near it-- Hitler, physically, is the exact opposite of the "perfect Aryan male", and the people around him also-- cleft palates, limps, humpbacks, clubfoot--
It's profoundly strange.

226 calcajun  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:52:52am

re: #209 Dianna

Yes. And I speculate that more might be on the way. Unless BHO does a political face-plant and Congress turns red in 2010, the chance of more lunacy is pretty high.

227 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:52:56am

re: #212 CynicalConservative

I think I am a missing link...

I miss Chlordane--Dam termites

228 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:53:02am

re: #218 avanti

Every time you upding a liberal a angel gets it's wings taxed.

Now that was funny.

229 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:53:18am

re: #219 Killgore Trout

It might just be a coincidence but he is a famous name and has been active in a few states over the years. This story does have an Arizona connection. It's possible but I think probably unlikely that it's the same guy.

Well, if he had to pick a place to hide, Sun City would be it.....usually, the snowbirds are here in the wintertime though.

230 calcajun  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:53:38am

re: #216 MrSilverDragon

Is having a single helix problematic?

/

Don't knock it. It's pretty cool to be able to scratch your knees without bending over.

231 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:53:47am
232 ErnieG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:53:52am

re: #123 albusteve

Springsteen is a huge drooling Obot...never grew up...some of his rants sound like a teenager, totally disconnected from reality....it's a disease

Actually, there is a technical term for pathological speech patterns like those found in Blinded by the Light, for example:

Madman drummers bummers and Indians in the summer with a teenage diplomat
In the dumps with the mumps as the adolescent pumps his way into his hat

The term is clanging. From the Wikipedia article:

In psychology and psychiatry, clanging or clang association refers to a form of speech pattern where thinking is driven by word sounds. For example, rhyming or alliteration may lead to the appearance of logical connections where none in fact exists. This, just one manifestation amongst a more general spectrum of thought disorders, is associated with the irregular thinking apparent in psychotic mental illnesses (e.g. schizophrenia).
233 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:53:53am

re: #181 avanti

If Charles wore a skirt, I'd have hid behind it.

Avanti, this is now getting disturbing.

234 JustABill  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:53:58am

re: #106 avanti

I will, I don't like his music even though I often agree with his politics.
Springsteen is not all that great. :)

Thank G-d he wasn't Born to Run for office...

235 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:54:07am

re: #207 MandyManners

Feds make arrests in Scottsdale bombing

"The object of the conspiracy was to promote racial discord on behalf of the 'White Aryan Resistance' (WAR) by damaging and destroying buildings, facilities and real property of both government and businesses whose activities defendants believed conflicted with their goals," the indictment states.

Also on Tuesday, authorities served a search warrant on the home of Tom Metzger, founder of WAR, in Warsaw, Ind.

Metzger's Web site describes him as "converted from minister to Free Thinker, reborn from right-winger to racist."

Authorities hinted last year that the Scottsdale bombing had "commonalities" with other bombings throughout the United States and Canada.

236 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:54:45am

re: #191 medaura18586

I know it's probably not in the best of taste, but I can't help wondering how all these white supremacists obsessed with the purity of their gene pools, are without exception ugly deformed inbred physically repulsive freaks.

If they were built like Greek/Aryan gods, hell, I could see a smidgen of something to the obsession with their lineage. But really, there is nothing conceivably worth preserving in their gene pool.

[Link: eyeonhate.com...]

Look at these ugly white-trash creeps!

They know what they are. They need someone to look down on.

237 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:54:58am

re: #205 Sharmuta

I wanted to upding you, but I have huge issues with the very notion of a "guest-worker program." So I couldn't.

238 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:55:08am

re: #229 Desert Dog

I lived in Tempe while attending ASU. I hated it there.

239 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:55:44am

re: #232 ErnieG
That's very interesting. Actually, he wrote the song with the aid of a rhyming dictionary.

240 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:55:53am
241 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:56:00am

re: #192 Nevergiveup

Well that wasn't the term I was reaching for. Hey but I like ya. I don't agree you much, but after all I got married also, so I'll get over that.

My wife is all of 5'4", but when she's pissed both my son and I find a reason to leave the house.

242 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:56:06am

re: #238 Killgore Trout

I lived in Tempe while attending ASU. I hated it there.


Well If you can't take the heat..get out of the desert.
/

243 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:56:46am

re: #238 Killgore Trout

I lived in Tempe while attending ASU. I hated it there.

I am sitting in Tempe right now, about 1 mile from the school. We miss you Killgore, come back! :-) It's a chilly 102 today with a chance of thunderstorms later....I am sure you remember the lovely weather here.

244 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:57:09am

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Duke University official has been arrested and charged with offering his adopted 5-year-old son for sex.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Sick bastard

245 horse  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:57:13am

Is there dangerous right wing extremism, absolutely. There are specific organizations and people who bear watching and need to be preemptively stopped before they commit their violent crimes.

Should "right-wing" people like libertarians, 2nd amendment defenders, tax protesters, advocates for smaller government, veterans et al. be profiled as potential right wing extremists? No. Just because there are specific right wing extremists groups (a small population) who advocate some of these same views does not justify painting a watchful eye on the backs of a large population who do not advocate their views with violence or other illegal actions.

If the report had been specific (names, groups, actions), as was the report on the eco extremist groups (which were not identified repeatedly as left wing), then it would have been legitimate. The broad brush approach applied to right wing groups without specifics was useless, other than an attempt to paint everyone with those views as possible candidates for right wing extremist behavior.

246 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:57:32am

re: #200 LGoPs

I have to disagree with you - completely.
The overwhelming bias of the media sets an undeniable tone in the national 'discussion' and that tone is that conservatives and/or republicans are always labeled as right-wing or far right-wing. Conversely, this label is never applied to liberals and leftists. Ever.
And this does in fact create a perception in people's minds, especially in the minds of those that are not particularly politically engaged, the very same undecided's that often determine the outcome of elections.
Perception is reality and the media works overtime to establish that perception.

You can disagree. Why not? Have at it.

Bottom line: The DHS report was right. It has been proven so, unfortunately, more than once since its April release.

You can pretend that report was a liberal plot. You can pretend that none of these shootings/murders.incidents happened.

But they did.

247 ErnieG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:57:33am

re: #239 doppelganglander

That's very interesting. Actually, he wrote the song with the aid of a rhyming dictionary.

I didn't know that. I thought that he was using other forms of aid.

248 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:57:44am

re: #226 calcajun

Yes. And I speculate that more might be on the way. Unless BHO does a political face-plant and Congress turns red in 2010, the chance of more lunacy is pretty high.

Lunacy is the only perpetual motion machine I can think of.

249 Obsidiandog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:58:19am

re: #191 medaura18586

I know it's probably not in the best of taste, but I can't help wondering how all these white supremacists obsessed with the purity of their gene pools, are without exception ugly deformed inbred physically repulsive freaks.

If they were built like Greek/Aryan gods, hell, I could see a smidgen of something to the obsession with their lineage. But really, there is nothing conceivably worth preserving in their gene pool.

[Link: eyeonhate.com...]

Look at these ugly white-trash creeps!

It was true of the original Nazis too. Look at some of those SA and SS dudes from the old pictures. Or Heinrich Himmler. Hardly a paragon of Aryan genes.

250 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:58:21am

re: #183 Desert Dog

A Democrat? Impossible! Hes not an intellectual. /

251 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:58:27am

re: #243 Desert Dog

It's a chilly 102 today


Heh.

252 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:59:18am

re: #251 Killgore Trout

Heh.

Indeed. Did my punitive time in AZ, I'll take OR weather 101 times out of 100.

253 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:59:53am

re: #238 Killgore Trout

I lived in Tempe while attending ASU. I hated it there.

*gasp*
You went to ASU ?!?!

I worked at the UofA, and my daughter got two degrees there.
NOW I know what's WRONG with you !

//////

254 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:00:26pm

re: #243 Desert Dog

I am sitting in Tempe right now, about 1 mile from the school. We miss you Killgore, come back! :-) It's a chilly 102 today with a chance of thunderstorms later....I am sure you remember the lovely weather here.

Oh, ugh!

I grew up in the desert. I fled as quickly as I could. How do you bear it?

255 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:00:35pm

They had 'assault weapons'?

Really?

They had guns with levers allowing them to go from single-fire to fully automatic?

Bad dudes, there.

Or maybe they had weapons capable of being used to assault someone?

This 'English language' is so hard to keep track of.

256 WinterCat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:00:47pm

re: #186 Sharmuta

I agree. I think legitimate, non-racist immigration groups on the left and right need to come together and push the racists out, and find some common ground.

Well I hope so. But if the republicans don't get some really serious separation from these crazy groups then we are all sunk because it means another 4 years of the Obama Gravy Train. I have real concerns about affording that.

257 JustABill  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:01:20pm

Anyone know who princetrumpet is. He downdinged a bunch of posts on the census topic a day or two ago?

258 horse  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:02:25pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

coward

259 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:02:48pm

re: #246 iceweasel

You can disagree. Why not? Have at it.

Bottom line: The DHS report was right. It has been proven so, unfortunately, more than once since its April release.

You can pretend that report was a liberal plot. You can pretend that none of these shootings/murders.incidents happened.

But they did.

What most people including me objected to in the DHS report was linking veterans with extemism. I know the report used a small percentage or words to that effect, but the number is statistically insignificant, so why mention vets at all?

260 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:03:09pm

re: #257 JustABill

Anyone know who princetrumpet is. He downdinged a bunch of posts on the census topic a day or two ago?

I don't believe I've encountered that nic.

261 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:03:12pm

re: #244 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Duke University official has been arrested and charged with offering his adopted 5-year-old son for sex.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Sick bastard

Coach K might be the only thing good about that school!

/admittedly unjustified rant off

262 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:03:21pm

re: #257 JustABill

Anyone know who princetrumpet is. He downdinged a bunch of posts on the census topic a day or two ago?

I'm sure Charles is aware of it, but I took the liberty of reporting your comment to elevate the crappy stealth dinger. Nice catch.

263 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:03:22pm

re: #220 WinterCat

I would disagree with you. I think many people, particularly those who don't look too deeply into a story do lump republicans into the mix. And republican leadership is trying to push back on that notion because it is quite deadly for the future of the party.
Right-wing rhetoric on hold after museum shooting

I love the WA independent.

And I think it's a great idea for the republican leadership to push back on this.

Now I just want to see them do that when Glenn Beck talks about armed insurrection, or when others mutter about FEMA camps. That needs to be stopped too.

Thanks for this link.

264 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:03:25pm

re: #247 ErnieG

I didn't know that. I thought that he was using other forms of aid.

He might have been.

265 hazzyday  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:03:38pm

Tea Parties
Visit
Social Anthropology report.

266 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:04:29pm

Hrmm just yesterday Infowars was defending these guys... not going to post an infowars link here.

267 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:05:14pm

re: #244 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Duke University official has been arrested and charged with offering his adopted 5-year-old son for sex.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Sick bastard

That is just beyond evil. That poor little boy.

268 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:05:51pm

Shhhhhh!

Please y'all, I'm trying to count something.

Those 'hundreds of rounds of ammunition', does that count .22 shells? How about BBs? Skeet rounds?

I need to know, people. I don't want no evile arsenal around me.

269 LGoPs  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:06:11pm

re: #246 iceweasel

You can disagree. Why not? Have at it.

Bottom line: The DHS report was right. It has been proven so, unfortunately, more than once since its April release.

You can pretend that report was a liberal plot. You can pretend that none of these shootings/murders.incidents happened.

But they did.

Where did I say anything about the DHS report, let alone pretend?
Those are your words, not mine.

270 WinterCat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:07:32pm

re: #263 iceweasel

I love the WA independent.

And I think it's a great idea for the republican leadership to push back on this.

Now I just want to see them do that when Glenn Beck talks about armed insurrection, or when others mutter about FEMA camps. That needs to be stopped too.

Thanks for this link.

I don't really follow Fox (I think he is a Fox guy, right?) but yes, this cheap talk about armed insurrection is really not helpful. After watching Shawna Forde's video on the border you can really see what a negative impact she and the others like her can have. People automatically link her to all people who oppose illegal immigration and that really is a problem for those people who want to have an earnest dialogue on the subject.

271 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:07:35pm

re: #257 JustABill

Anyone know who princetrumpet is. He downdinged a bunch of posts on the census topic a day or two ago?

Karma: 159
princetrumpet
Registered since: Sep 15, 2007 at 8:19 pm
No. of comment posted: 172
No. of links posted: 9

272 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:07:42pm

re: #244 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Duke University official has been arrested and charged with offering his adopted 5-year-old son for sex.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Sick bastard

Yes, and Michael Jackson isn't around to make the purchase.
/bad, bad Kosh's Shadow

273 ErnieG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:10:38pm

re: #244 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Duke University official has been arrested and charged with offering his adopted 5-year-old son for sex.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Sick bastard

He would have to be in solitary confinement from day one. He'd never survive in the prison population. However bad some of those guys are, they draw the line on crimes against children.

274 hazzyday  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:10:42pm

OT: I am out of touch. Michael Jackson is much bigger than I thought. Google, Wiki, and twitter all went down from traffic related to him. No one else has reached that pinnacle of information. God rest his soul. I did stop listening to anything about him once he hit those trials.

275 formercorpsman  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:11:48pm

re: #244 Nevergiveup

I want to post a response, but it won't be pretty.

I'll stand down.

276 hazzyday  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:15:54pm

re: #244 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Duke University official has been arrested and charged with offering his adopted 5-year-old son for sex.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Sick bastard

Bad stuff.

1. Remove his sexuality
2. if no death penalty then permanent imprisonment on some metal island.
3. Level III sex offenders should all have life terms. No release ever. It's folly for a political system to think they can put them back into society.

277 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:15:56pm

re: #275 formercorpsman

I want to post a response, but it won't be pretty.

I'll stand down.

Heh, me too.

278 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:16:02pm

re: #259 opnion

What most people including me objected to in the DHS report was linking veterans with extemism. I know the report used a small percentage or words to that effect, but the number is statistically insignificant, so why mention vets at all?

I have to take off after this, but I want to answer this--

The report didn't say 'all vets' were dangerous.
It pointed out that returning vets are VERY attractive to extremist groups, and that such groups go out of their way to recruit them.

It also pointed out that vets are capable of causing a lot more damage, if they want, than civilians. This is exactly why extremist groups WANT to recruit them. (let's remember that McVeigh and Eric Randolph both had military backgrounds. The military isn't what made them domestic terrorists--but their military training is WHY they were very deadly and in the case of Randolph, very skilled at evasion)

Finally-- white supremacist groups have been trying to infiltrate the military for decades. They do it on purpose-- they want to join up to get weapons/explosives training, and to try to recruit others,

The military knows this and has been policing its own ranks for the white supremacists and extremists for decades.

There is no reason for anyone to imagine that the DHS 'singled out' veterans, or that 'all veterans' are under suspicion.

279 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:17:44pm

More goings on in Ft Wayne

[Link: www.fortwaynenews.com...]

280 calcajun  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:21:18pm

re: #248 Dianna

Lunacy is the only perpetual motion machine I can think of.

These folks are the spiritual grand-kids of John Brown--a great American loony.

281 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:21:58pm

Folks, I have to take off and I'm having some weird connection issues with LGF anyway--I can't see everything happening in the thread or answer people.

If it looked like I ignored you, most likely I tried to answer and lost access. This is taking forever to type. I'll get back to you and the thread when I can get online again

thanks all for a great discussion,

cheers, ice

282 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:22:34pm

re: #273 ErnieG

He would have to be in solitary confinement from day one. He'd never survive in the prison population. However bad some of those guys are, they draw the line on crimes against children.

I always wondered about that. They say that those guys are the lowest in the prison caste. Do they ever band together or do they hate others like them?

283 pink freud  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:24:20pm

re: #278 iceweasel

"Finally-- white supremacist groups have been trying to infiltrate the military for decades. They do it on purpose-- they want to join up to get weapons/explosives training, and to try to recruit others,"

Link?

Are you referring to military in the UK or US?

284 calcajun  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:25:56pm

re: #276 hazzyday

I like the simple solution posited by my favorite fascist sci-fi writer, Bob Heinlein. You put down dogs that cannot be cured, don't you? Just admit that you are an incurable sex offender and we will make sure you never do it again--and keep you from making any potential future offenders.

The above is extreme and wrong, I know. But, as a dad with a special needs kid, I see how easy it would be for someone to take advantage of him. This a problem with no easy answer.

285 calcajun  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:27:28pm

re: #244 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Duke University official has been arrested and charged with offering his adopted 5-year-old son for sex.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Sick bastard

OK--Duke is off the list of schools for my college-age kids.

286 hazzyday  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:28:34pm

re: #278 iceweasel

The DHS memo will become what people interpret it to be. Poorly written. They shouldn't be publishing this stuff on the internet regardless of administration. The driving force behind all this is the Democratic flaw of not addressing their own lack of honesty, integrity, morals etc etc etc. The biased position of the media and their cognitive dissonance about it. It all makes for unhealthy public policy and flaky political positions. It equals Nancy Pelosi.

Sanford? Out!

The (D)'s We love our criminals in congress!

The DHS represents a political tenor.

287 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:30:11pm

re: #268 razorbacker

Shhhhhh!

Please y'all, I'm trying to count something.

Those 'hundreds of rounds of ammunition', does that count .22 shells? How about BBs? Skeet rounds?

I need to know, people. I don't want no evile arsenal around me.

Who's count?
A lib gun grabber a Airsoft gun with one pellet.
A bitter clingy gun nut, more rounds than one person could shoot in a life time. (It would be evil not to share).

288 hazzyday  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:30:53pm

re: #284 calcajun

I think the problem is serious enough that the heinlein solution is something to consider. But I think part of defeating the problem is to get them to accept responsibility and to remove themselves from society.

289 calcajun  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:31:29pm

re: #288 hazzyday

Yeah--they join the priesthood.

290 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:32:08pm

re: #244 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Duke University official has been arrested and charged with offering his adopted 5-year-old son for sex.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Sick bastard

My adopted son is 5.

Five minutes, just five minutes alone....

Is that too much to ask?

Guaranteed 0% recidivism.

291 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:33:06pm

re: #283 pink freud

It's been common knowledge for some time now that criminal elements join the military for their own nefarious purposes, whether they be white supremacists or gang members.

292 hazzyday  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:33:25pm

I'm not watching any Michael Jackson homages. The TV goes off instantly. I don't think he deserves it. Troubled as he was, I wish him peace.

293 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:34:34pm

re: #292 hazzyday

I'm not watching any Michael Jackson homages. The TV goes off instantly. I don't think he deserves it. Troubled as he was, I wish him peace.

A troubled soul with no guard rails on life.

294 hazzyday  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:35:37pm

re: #289 calcajun

Yeah--they join the priesthood.

I'm no longer in favor of monasteries and such based on sex segregation. An experiment that has failed hugely in world history. A priest who is married is a healthier priest and can better administer to the flock. Can set a better example.

295 calcajun  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:36:36pm

re: #294 hazzyday

Besides--it's not Biblical, either.

296 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:41:11pm

re: #293 jcm

A troubled soul with no guard rails on life.

Why do I suspect that you saw that WSJ editorial too ?!?!?!

297 medaura18586  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:42:26pm

re: #225 iceweasel

Interesting, isn't it?

The same point has been made about Hitler and the architects of the "Master Race", obsessed with an ideal of 'Aryan' physical perfection.

None of the people pushing that ideal came anywhere near it-- Hitler, physically, is the exact opposite of the "perfect Aryan male", and the people around him also-- cleft palates, limps, humpbacks, clubfoot--
It's profoundly strange.

Here's a crack at an explanation:

Beautiful men can have whomever they want for mates; no reason for them to lose sleep over the physical perfection of their offspring. They also don't need to "unionize" or resort to any collective bargaining. They have near monopoly position over the cream of the crop.

Deformed creeps, on the other hand, need to stick together to rig the rules in their favor. They also want to externalize the rationalization of their failures, by blaming their piss poor luck at getting laid on foreign "inferior" men.

From our nutty Von Brunn: [Link: www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com...]

Today, on the World stage, Whitemen are LAUGHED AT, their women bred by stronger men.

It's a self-esteem issue. They can't admit to themselves that they're ugly and disgusting.

298 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:58:58pm
299 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:59:30pm

re: #296 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Why do I suspect that you saw that WSJ editorial too ?!?!?!

No I haven't gonna' go look.

300 medaura18586  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:08:58pm

re: #298 buzzsawmonkey

That losers band together to rationalize the reasons for their loserhood and derive what comfort they can is accurate.

Where you go off the rails, however, is in your first paragraph, where you throw in the "union/collective bargaining" language. If it is a metaphor, it is a poor one; if it is intended to describe reality where unions are concerned, it is simply silly.

It is obviously a metaphor; note the scare quotes.

They demand some collective action, the rising in arms, a racial/reproductive revolution. Individually, they are powerless in the mating game, sore losers, no woman's first choice (or second, or third). They seek fulfillment through collective means; because physically they are repulsive by any objective metric, they try to place disproportionate importance on their being "white," the only supposedly redeeming physical feature (in their heads), which they hope will override everything else, if they place enough emphasis on it. They turn themselves into a commodity: "white men."

I sense a strange analogy to the labor union mentality, and the selective pressures dictating what kind of workers are likely to seek unionization. Intelligent, self-confident employees with a unique experience and solid skill-repertoire, rarely see themselves as a commodity. They work on their own terms and set the conditions of their employment.

Mediocre to poor workers, on the other hand, are a commodity, feel like a commodity, and act like one, via unions. They have no special skills to differentiate themselves so they stick together, to bark louder, and often use intimidation to sweeten the end of their deal. Instead of merit, they place disproportionate emphasis on "seniority," which, with time, any loser can achieve.

It's a far-fetched analogy, but not off the rails. And it was used metaphorically anyway.

301 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:01:35pm

I know Don Logan, and I knew someone else in his office that got hurt. Don Logan is a wonderful man.

I am glad they finally caught the little nazi bastards that did this. Just wish I could explain a few things with them, and my baseball bat.

302 Zimriel  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:37:11pm

Typo in title: it's a "MAIL" bombing, not a "MALL" bombing.

303 Zimriel  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:43:27pm

re: #244 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Duke University official has been arrested and charged with offering his adopted 5-year-old son for sex.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Sick bastard

A peek through the archives of DurhamWonderland and LieStoppers.blogspot.com reveals... absolutely nothing on his stance on the Lacrosse rape hoax.

Another of Duke's administrative cowards, in other words. Duke is a sick place. The place ought to be leveled and replaced with a real university.

304 medaura18586  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:31:44pm

re: #303 Zimriel

Duke is a sick place. The place ought to be leveled and replaced with a real university.

I concur. Especially since it has produced this creep, editor of this "magazine."

I've recently had the most disturbing encounter with the guy... I shudder at the recollection.

Anyway, yes, Duke must go.
/

305 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:44:39pm

re: #283 pink freud

"Finally-- white supremacist groups have been trying to infiltrate the military for decades. They do it on purpose-- they want to join up to get weapons/explosives training, and to try to recruit others,"

Link?

Are you referring to military in the UK or US?

US.

Here's a 2005 Department of Defense report on the difficulty of keeping supremacists out, which says: "Effectively, the military has a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy pertaining to extremism. If individuals can perform satisfactorily, without making their extremist opinions overt … they are likely to be able to complete their contracts."

Here is a 2008 FBI report which states ""Military experience — ranging from failure at basic training to success in special operations forces — is found throughout the white supremacist extremist movement.""

And finally, here is an article which talks about how its become increasingly difficult for recruiters to keep them out:
Neo-Nazis are in the Army Now.

This isn't the military's fault. The leaders of white supremacist groups have been directing their members for decades now-- at least since the 70's-- to join the military to gain the weapons training and experience they believe they need for the coming 'race war'-- and also to radicalise other troops.

Swatiskas have turned up as graffiti in Baghdad. That's not being left by the average soldier. That's being left by a couple of these supremacist creeps who have slipped through the screening process.

306 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:02:31am

Here's another article on why the demand for troops has meant that the military has had a harder time keeping these creeps out-- it includes a photo of Aryan Nations graffiti left in Iraq in 2006.

[Link: www.thecommentfactory.com...]

Also, from the earlier article:

In white supremacist incidents from 2001 to 2008, the FBI identified 203 veterans. Most of them were associated with the National Alliance and the National Socialist Movement, which promote anti-Semitism and the overthrow of the U.S. government, and assorted skinhead groups.

All this is why the DHS mentioned vets. Again, it's not all vets and no-one believes that vets as a group pose a threat or are more likely to be dangerous-- at all.

307 Zimriel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:31:02pm

re: #305 iceweasel

Swatiskas have turned up as graffiti in Baghdad. That's not being left by the average soldier. That's being left by a couple of these supremacist creeps who have slipped through the screening process.

Well, to be fair, Hitchens has seen the "twisted cross" in Lebanon too, and there's a lot of that imagery around the worse parts of European cities. I can't rule out old Baathist diehards.

What might be a security concern, for our armed forces, is if said Baathists hook up with neo-Nazis in our ranks. Suppose team A has a neo-Nazi in it and team B is headed up by a Jew or is majority black. Neo-Nazi (covertly) sends team B into an ambush which kills the leader of team B. There are now spots for promotion which the neo-Nazis can infiltrate.

Worked for King David...

308 leereyno  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:04:41pm

Diversity office?
Diversity director?

I live a stone's throw from Scottsdale and this doesn't surprise me much.

If it were up to me they'd replace that nonsense with a Competence office and a Competence director. Hiring and promotion would be judged solely upon performance and qualifications, at least to the degree to which that is possible amongst the political animals that are human beings.

Race, sex, creed, color, or religion would be officially banned as criteria.

Now of course that would only do so much good, tribalism being what it is, but at least such an effort would be a legitimate endeavor against racism and other forms of wrongful discrimination, as opposed to the current nonsense which does the opposite.


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